Blurry Creatures - EP: 153 Lost Technology of Karahan Tepe with Hugh Newman

Episode Date: February 15, 2023

Author and explorer Hugh Newman returns to the show this week to discuss the ultra-ancient site of Karahan Tepe. What is being discovered and unearthed at this site that dates back at least 11,000 years? Hugh is an expert on megaliths, hosts the popular site Megalithomania, and is not afraid to delve into alternative history and ancient giants. Were there blurry creatures that may have helped build this site and is it a candidate for ground zero of forbidden technology? Is this site connected to the Watchers? How does a structure so advanced just "pop up" in the archeological timeline? Karahan Tepe is a sister site to the nearby and much more well-known ancient site of Gobekli Tepe and Hugh takes us on a fascinating journey to a place that defies the narrative of modern archeology and is rewriting the most ancient history of human civilization.  Song: DreamKid83 Guest: Hugh Newman [e-mail] blurrycreatures.com Socials www.instagram.com/blurrycreatures www.facebook.com/blurrycreatures www.twitter.com/blurrycreatures Music Kyle Monroe: www.tinytaperoom.com Aaron Green: https://www.instagram.com/aaronkgreen/ Mastering: Brandon Weaver https://ironwingstudios.com Outro Song: TimeCop1983: www.timecop1983.com   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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enoch or the ananarchy from the sumerian tradition you know bred with human women gave birth to these robust really arrogant giants called the nephelin they understood how to build things carve things irrigate the land grow food make weapons work with metal all the traditions talk about this and maybe we're finding all these elements at these sites. Finding giant bones at these sites isn't happening just yet but considering how little has been uncovered, who knows what's going to be found. The history of our earth is so different from what we can imagine. The Smithsonian that if they found out about a large skeleton somewhere was to go get it. I'm going to assume at least one person.

is right because if one person's right and bust the paradigm, it all goes back to the fallen chair. And the problem with the modern day church, they have a very truncated view of the supernatural. This backdrop that's just pregnant with all kinds of meaning associated with this Mount Herman event. And this guy defects from the kingdom. That's a big deal. So welcome back to blurry creatures. Hugh Newman, Hugh, you're a traveler, author, researcher, explorer, and we brought you on to the podcast. today talk about Carahan Tepe, which is, you know, one of the most important archaeological discoveries. I mean, maybe the century, but at least the last 20 years or so, 11,000 years old site sits in the Tech Tech Mountains. Turkey, it's one of the 12 sites they've discovered there,

and you said it's going to be on ancient aliens coming up here soon. But welcome back to blurry creatures. We talk about creatures on this show, whether it's giants, Bigfoot, or whatever it is. And I was watching some of the videos on this site and they have a bunch of weird-looking creatures carved in stone. We could probably talk about some of those things, some chimerical creatures maybe that maybe have roamed the world back then. So welcome back, Hugh. Love to get into it and talk about Kerhan Tempe. Sure, yeah, sounds good. Let's crack into it.

There's tons to tell, I'll tell you that. Yeah, there's some weird stuff like ancient calendars and some sort of clock in the pits there with all the, the carved out, you know, the shrine there. I was watching the videos that's really interesting stuff. But yeah, this relates to the creatures more often than not in our, on our show, because sometimes people wonder like why we talk about, you know, sort of this ancient history, but there's a lot of weird stuff roaming around. So we always find ourselves on this show getting into the megaliths and sort of the pre-flood world. Yeah, for sure. I mean, if you go back to the time of Carahan-Tepa and Quebec, TEPI, which is like nearly 12,000 years,

years we're talking about. There were like beasts all over the place. Oh my God. I mean, I think, you know, there were like huge, you know, big cats. There was like foxes. There's even like interpretations of what looked like dodos or kind of flightless birds. But there's leopards, a lot of leopards apparently. They're depicted at Kerohan tepe and at Quebecly tepe. A lot of snakes amongst other things. So yeah, I mean, it really was. I mean, the thing about that about these sites is that they depict what was going on back then. They really do it quite clearly. So they had a lot to deal with. You know, we know after a while, a few hundred years of them building these sites. That's when agriculture developed. That's how it all began after these

sites were built. So they were dealing with these animals and then started domesticating them as well. So yeah, so there's a lot, you know, you do get a lot of creatures in that part of the world at this time for sure. Yeah, Hugh, we've talked about. about Quebec Leitepe on the show and its importance because it's an anomaly, right? Or it was at the time before Kahara and Tepe was this guy which is older. But we have these very

intricate advanced city or city centers or these structures that show up meaningly or seemingly out of nowhere in a time where traditional archaeology and history has said that everybody was this hunter gathers and they were, you know, people were people at that time were migrating around

as you said there was before agriculture. and it just pops up. And since we cover Quebec Lee, at least in a couple episodes on our show, talk about the importance of this site. We've been trying to get you on for a while. I know we were talking before Christmas and the holidays. You actually had an article come out on Graham Hancock's website

where you were out there breaking down some of the stunning discoveries. It's super important because this is rewriting history as we know it. And as Nate talked about, one of the things we get into here is the idea of of hidden or undiscovered or alternate history as it gets called sometimes. And we know Graham gets a ton of flack for this. And even Wikipedia says he's a pseudo-scientist, but Graham Hancock had this massive Netflix thing

that's really changed a lot of people's ideas about what history was like. And this is one of the sites. And Nate said, this is going on ancient aliens in a couple days. You get interviewed for it. But I think a lot of our audience isn't even familiar with what this is.

So I would love just, if you could break down kind of what it is, why it's so important. And then when I talk to you in December, You were there. You were like, I'm going to Turkey. We're going to be there for a week. I could do it from, I could talk to you guys on site. It didn't really work out because the holidays.

But we'd love for you to just drop some knowledge about what this is, why it's important. What is there and why it's changing everybody's perspective on history? Yeah. I mean, as you said, Quebec Le Tepe was the one site everyone knows about. That's been known about since the mid-1990s. Actually, firstly really reported on in the 1960s, whereas Carahan-Tepa was actually first recorded in 1997, just two years after the first beginning of excavation of Quebec Tepepe, but it was left alone, it was in this remote place and the Tech Tech Mountains,

which is basically about 20 or 30 miles southeast of Quebec Leitepe, and it was Bahadin Selik. He was the archaeologists who found a few pieces there, a few statues of serpents and other such things. I went there first in 2014. I was with Andrew Collins we were running one of our tours out there and it kind of blew my mind because firstly we got to know the family

we had tea and lunch with them every time we went there and all the sites wasn't excavated it was fully covered over it like little tops of tea pillars tea shape pillars sticking out the ground a few of artifacts has been found there was this big unfinished tea pillar about 18 feet long

down the west side of the hill and that was it really And then on a hill, another hill north of there, which called Ketchley-Tepi, which is actually, Ketchley-Tepi is actually the original name of Karehan Tepe. Karehan Tepe is a later name given by Bahatine Selik in 1997, a combination of place names from the local area. But Ketchley is the official ancient name for it, we think. Which is interesting because in Kurdish it translates as a feminine element to it, like daughter, maiden, queen, sister, this kind of thing, possibly God-Ey.

And the Turkish version of Ketchley or Kek, the Ketch part of Ketchley, means bald, like a bald head. And so the stone head is one of the main features found at Kerohantepa, which looks like it's a bald head. And so it may be a memory of that, the two different languages recording this. And we think it's also a feminine site as well, like a possibly goddess site, fertility site. But for those that know nothing about it, it dates back to 11,400 years ago. ago is the earliest date, which is only two or three hundred years after Quebec Le Tepepe. And there was in use for about 1,500 years. What has been uncovered so far is in the northern part of the limestone hill.

I must remember this is like a limestone series of mountains. There's not much vegetation in this area. It's like it's like you're just on another planet when he climbed to the top and look out from it. It is quite remarkable. And the northern part of that hill that they've excavated. and they found this 75 foot wide sort of circular elliptical enclosure, which is similar to the ones to Quebec Le Tepe, with all the T pillars around the edge,

two central pillars in the middle, but most of it is broken and fallen, but the west side of this huge enclosure is carved out of bedrock. You know, so the whole eastern, north and south edge is all standing pillars like monoliths, you know, which many have fallen now with benches,

kind of stone benches in between, them. The western side is like it blends into the bedrock hill and they carved it all out directly out of the bedrock. So that is incredible in this area right. Next to that, joining it, this is a structure

AC, I think it's called AD rather. And then you've got structure A-B, which is what we call the pillar shines directly next door. It's linked to it via this whole stone which is about 70 centimeters wide. And we'll talk more about that late and that joins this much smaller structure which is like 20 30 feet wide with all these and it's carved out of bedrock going down into the rock with these 10 sort of pillars

like they look like kind of mushrooms or fallacies they kind of they're carved out of the bedrock they're like four feet tall five feet tall some of them the western edge you've got this head protruding out with this serpentine neck and this open kind of mouth and you got this other freestanding pillar, which is like kind of curved pillar, like a kind of half a porthole stone, or it could be a serpent. It's very odd. And then next to that, you've got another kind of unfinished pit as well, which may, it looks like it had water in it or something in it, but that's aligned to something important as well. And then across the site, you've got smaller enclosures with tea pillars all over the place. It's a huge, huge area. And only a very small amount is

currently being excavated. One of the things I know that you, you, you were out there for in December was that to see if this thing was celestial aligned. It is, correct? Isn't it? It aligns with the, like a lot of ancient structures. We talk about, you know, anything from Stonehenge to New Grange to the pyramids and, you know, into those things. They're all, it's crazy that they're all aligned to solar events or celestial events. Yeah, you were saying that you were there on the winter solstice and the sun was shining right through that porthole stone that was on that serpentine phase of that. Creature, why do you think they put serpents all over these things?

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is very strong at Carahan-Tepa. One of the first statues they found had a serpent. rising up the front of this kind of anthropomorphic statue. But all over the site you get that, you get this very long, like 20 foot long one etched into this bench in that unfinished pit, which is very unusual because one end of it blends into the torso and head of a kind of fox or canid, which is very strange.

But the serpents are everywhere, and there's lots of symbolism, cosmology related to serpents. There's myths that were later recorded in the Sumerian tradition of Enki and Lil Ninhar Saag, the Ananaki, they're all related to serpents. And so you do find it very strongly. You get lots of leopards carved there, foxes, different animals as well. But you mention the winter solstice. That's why we went out there in December.

Yes, we went out there to catch the winter solstice. This is obviously, it's the shortest day, longest night. And it's where the sun kind of comes to a standstill at that end. of the year and it kind of rises and sets it pretty much the same position for a few days and actually starts returning slowly as the sunrise starts moving back to its equinox position

to the east on Christmas day. That's why we have all this mythology of Christ and all this kind of stuff return of the light. Ardi da. So it spends a few days kind of sense. We go there and just observe it during those few days because it's in the same place and we found

it basically the sunrise after about 10 minutes after sunrise, the light shines through the porthole stone, illuminates like the back of the head and slowly moves around the face over what we thought originally it was a 27 minute period when we first discovered it in December 2021,

but we went back this year. We got in there a bit earlier, I found that it's actually about a 45 minute period and it starts behind the year and moves around like this, the light does over this 45 minute period. So it's clearly aligned and we checked it all out

we've had Andrew Collins and Rodney Hale, who's an archaeo-astronomer and engineer, worked this all out on Stellarium using astronomical data going back 11,000 years. And it works just as well as it did now, because even though we've got obliquity of the ecliptic and we've got procession of the equinoxes, it's less than a degree from where it should be, where it is now, rather. So it may have even, we've worked at it could have even been a better illumination of the head back then, but it certainly works.

you know, and it's an observable phenomena. You can witness it today, which is insane. And it's by far the oldest solar alignment anywhere on the planet. The only one that comes anywhere near is Jericho in Israel, which is 8,300 BC. And we know there's been some research on that a few in 2008, where they found a summer, solstice sunset alignment through one of the kind of areas of Jericho, which is a similar kind of culture. There's the same culture just spreading out in different areas after Carajan Tepe.

I must also point out that there's also another alignment completely separate, a summer solstice sunset alignment at Carajan Tepe, which Andrew Collins has discovered, which is aligned to another, the unfinished pit. And so there's also, and that's virtually the exact opposite direction of the winter solstice sunrise, but in the other direction. And so you've got all this stuff going on at this extremely early age. and, you know, it proves this was a sophisticated society, carving things out of solid

bedrock, all this advanced abstract symbolism. You've got astronomical alignments. They were collecting harvest in rainwater. They developed agriculture there. They had all these settlements now. They found at least 12 of them called the whole Tass Tepela region, which means stone hills, stone mounds. And so Cairan Tepa and Quebec Le Tepie are just two of many. And there could be many more.

We think there's, you know, we've got evidence as up to about 20 or 30 of them. We've been to many of the others as well. We've had a look at them whilst they've just started excavating. And it is mind-blowing. There's no, you know, it doesn't make sense. This highly advanced civilization wasn't supposed to exist then, basically. This is, this is, it's a problem for academics and historians.

You know, when I look at some of these old sites, it almost looks like, I mean, because you were talking about Catchley Hill, And it almost looks like it could have been maybe some sort of pyramid structure. And it seems to be built up. And then some of these places are like carved into the ground. I remember we talked to Michael Tallinger

early on in the show. He was talking about some of the carved into the ground in South Africa. They had these like things that go down into the ground. So what is the difference to you between some of the ancient megaliths that are built up and some of the stuff's carved into the ground? It almost reminds me like if you had a piece of property,

you had like different things on your property. You had like your pool house in the back sort of dug into the ground, but then you have, you know, your main pyramid, your main structure, or whatever it is. You know, we modern humans do it that way, but it seems like ancients were kind of doing similar things. They had multiple different structures in an area. And I was just thinking that.

Maybe Catchley Hill was something they built up and then Carehand was built down. I don't know. Yeah, it was a bit of both. There was a bit of both on both, actually, because there's two lot areas there but there's now evidence that a huge area stretching out from

Carahan-Tepae is part of the settlement, part of the site, including Ketchley as well. There's caves up on Ketchley carved out of solid rock, there's square enclosures carved out of bedrock, there's all sorts of things. That's on the northern hill just near Karehantepe. Karehane Tepe itself has a combination of these different things, even in one of the main, the main,

enclosure there, enclosure AD. It's this huge ellipse or circle this ellipse. And half of it's, like I said, it's carved out the bedrock. The T pillars are carved

out of bedrock. The benches are carved out of bedrock. They're like megalithic thrones almost. Whereas most of it, then it kind of blends into, then they blends into the kind of freestanding tea pillars.

And then you've got the perfectly flattened floor, bedrock carved, perfectly horizontal. It's like they had, they knew how to do it. They were kind of, of it. There's also evidence in this and other sites of what's called Tarazzo, which is basically like an ancient concrete that they were working with, ancient cement, which is outrageous. It's lime concrete, basically, made out of lime plaster kind of thing. And they'd heat it up, let it cool and dry, and it would harden and things like this made from the limestone. And remarkable, you know, that this technology was there. And so you have a mixture.

like you said, of carving out the bedrock and the freestanding pillars, which are originally carved out the bedrock, lifted it out, transported and placed, and then smoothed off and carved with this precision engineered technique, which no one knows where that really came from. It's so advanced for its time. I was going to ask, what do you make of this, right? Because this is turning everything on its head. This is not supposed to be in this time period. This is way older than anyone expected or academic.

them expected because we're not, humans aren't supposed to be able to do this yet, right? We're still running around chasing migrating herds. How does this change historical record, in your opinion? Then follow up, do you think there's anything there that's older that we may discover even than this? Yeah, yeah. No, well, you got to remember, this was just after the end of the Ice Age. And so this was also the end of the younger dryass where the impacts, asteroids, this, that

and the other were hitting the Earth. there was a very cold period and then it suddenly got dry and warm in around 9,800 BC and this is within 100 or 200 years of this Quebec Le Tepe was being built but there are sites which are older during the cold period that existed

there's a place called Cortic Tepe there's a place called Bangkok Lutala there's a greyfilahoek there's Kakmak Tepe and the first three of those and they're really along the Tigris River, whereas most of the sites around Quebec, Tepe and Karehan are nearer to the Euphrates River.

Both of these rivers are mentioned in the Bible. They're both mentioned in the Book of Enoch, the Sumerian texts, as being where the Garden of Eden was as well. So we're talking like seriously super ancient biblical stories coming to life in this area. long before the whole New Testament stuff and things like that.

And all these Sumerian traditions, the Anonarchy, may have been referencing this era we're talking about here because they were said to be highly advanced cultures and the angels, the Watchers, the Ananaki, different names given to them. But yeah, so there were earlier sites there, like the ones I mentioned near the Tigris. And these had structures, they had enclosures, they didn't have any big tea pillars yet,

but they were carving. I mean, we've seen something. museum and Diyarbakar and Turkey, which is near this area, of these beautiful kind of stones like you can hold in your hand with 3D relief carvings of abstract figures and animals. And these are at least a thousand years before Quebecli Tepe. And so we know that there wasn't, you can see a development there. You know, you can see it. And they were, they built settlements and structures, not quite as advanced as Quebecly, obviously.

And they were still hunter-gatherers. And they were still go off from there and do their hunting. gathering kind of thing. Even the earliest phase of Quebec Leitepe and Karahantepa, but they were still doing that. They were still doing that. It's only during the first

few hundred to a thousand years of these sites being built. Did the agricultural revolution kick in? And they realized they could grow food or they had to grow food. There were shortages. I don't know.

No one knows really why it all happened. So there are sites that are older and you can go further and further back into Mesolithic, paleolithic times and find similar 3D relief carbons. even in Paleolithic caves go for 30,000 to 40,000 years in France, Germany and other

places in Spain where you have 3D relief carvers out of solid cave walls you know so there was a development in style but to build Quebec Leitepe with the artistic abstract flare that they

had is something remarkable. It just seems to come out of nowhere. The sudden shift in quality of and craftsmanship, and she had magnitude of structures that they were making. It really makes you think something profound was going on then, you know, and it must have triggered this. Do you think that they had advanced tools that we don't know about?

Because there's a hypothesis in all this, right? You have the megalithical walls in Peru, the cyclopean architecture. You have even the stuff in Egypt, Karni, and Giza. And you can find things like the unfinished obelisk. And I know there's something similar there in Kahan-Tepi, where you have these unfinished stoneworkings. And that's something we've talked with Derek Olson, who's a frequent guest on our show, who's Megalithic Marvels about some of the weird things he's able to, he surmises and finds, like drill, looks like drill holes and saw marks and things that are precision build.

When you're there, you're on site. Do you see anything like that? Is the methodology? Does it also seem to be advanced, like, in a way that maybe shouldn't be there? Or is that more something we see in some of the other megalithic places? Oh, my God. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Advance is the word.

It's outrageous for its time. I mean, just to fight, Egypt blows people's minds, and so it should. The magnitude of that is outrageous. But we're finding now similar things in this area. And two or three really fascinating aspects is, number one is the artistic style. It's purely abstract, very odd. Like, it's almost like they've taken a bagload of mushrooms or something and got it had a religious experience or something like this.

Because it doesn't make, it doesn't make sense. The abstract, beautiful, almost like, it's like they've been doing this for hundreds of years to create these kind of statues with these designs. And then that stayed the same for 2,000 years. Didn't change it one bit. They maintained that. Right. And then you've got things like the stone plates that have been found. Now, these are now on display in Channel Earthen Museum.

This is the main town that's in between all the sites. That's a very ancient town. It's got caves there. Actually, one of the Tastatabola sites is in the middle of Erfah and Channel Erfah, where they found the bellicical statue or Erfaman, which is a humanoid figure that goes back 10,000 years. And also, so these stone plates, these were found on the benches in between the teams. pillars at Carahan Tepe. We had a good look at them. We couldn't get inside

the cabinet to kind of take them out and feel and touch them or anything, but these have been polished. Some of these are hard stone like diarite and granite and different types of very firm and very strong basalt. And these are this big, you know, like

two or three feet wide some of them. Some are smaller. Some have got cut marks, smoothed out somehow in the middle. I mean, how they did. It's almost like they've softened it or something. So they are really interesting, but no one's talking about them, apart for me, Andrew Collins and J.J. Ainsworth, you know, friends of mine are I've been working with at this

site for years. And they're mind-blowing. And they're out of place artifacts, in my opinion. Also, there's drill holes in some of the statues that are being found from Canara Han Tepe. Now, we've not been able to get close enough to see if they're like, whether they've been kind of hammered in with some kind of nail or something. we don't know.

But, you know, the fact that they're able to smooth off these kind of plates that we saw is pretty amazing. And we realized that quite a few more of these have been found around the area over the years. And we actually found one. We actually went to this site, which hasn't been excavated yet. And we met the locals there. And they showed us all these artifacts. They found at one of these other sites that they're going to start excavating. And one of them was a corner of one of these plates.

So we were able to touch it and I got a scan of it. And it was unbelievable. It's like what tools did they have when they had no metal, apart from raw copper? It's the only evidence there is of metals out there that they could actually create these. And so it's pretty astonishing. Yeah. So we are starting to see anomalous artifacts like this. Wow.

And I know like we know on our show we get into a lot of the other creatures that were roaming around at those times. And last time we talked about the giants and how they really. it's a Stonehenge. And that's where the conversation goes to a lot of people who have more of an open mind and then continue to kind of follow the evidence.

Were they around in this time? Were there chimerical creatures with them too? Like, it seems like there's evidence for all these. It's not just humans, Roman, Roman the countryside. Well, as I mentioned earlier, certainly different types of weird animals,

big animals as well, that's for sure. There's a couple of strange statues that have been found at Karen's which may represent what these very odd-looking people look like. One of them has got these, it's like a really long elongated face with a huge area coming at the back of the head with big kind of brow ridges and frown lines and things like this. They're very kind of elongated everything really. And I talk to Andrew Collins about this and this looks virtually identical to a recreation

of a Denisovan, which are these super ancient kind of human hybrids. going back 200,000 years from Siberia, but we know they made their way down into Turkey. We know they made their way down into North America, and it's found in the DNA of the giants there that has now been proven. And so, you know, were these Denisovan-related giants in this area? This is one of the strange questions that we're actually looking at because it could be a reality to that.

If you look into the Sumerian traditions, if you look into the Book of Enoch and the Book of Giants, although they appear to be talking about a much later era, they might be talking about a very early era, and this could be the time we're actually looking at here because we know about the story of the Nephlin, the so-called Watchers, or from the Book of Enoch or the Ananaki from the Sumerian tradition,

you know, bred with human women and gave birth to these robust, really arrogant giants, called the Nephilim. But they, the technologies, the kind of different elements of civilization that they understood, they understood how to build things, carve things, irrigate the land, grow food, make weapons, work with metal, all the traditions talk about this. And maybe we're finding all these elements at these sites. Finding giant bones at these sites isn't happening just yet.

But considering how little has been uncovered, who knows what's going to be found. Yeah, I wanted to ask you about that. You know, we talked about Gebekliatepe on a previous episode, and it really, it's the inexplicable explosion of technology, right, that seems to come from nowhere in a time we shouldn't be there. What's your take on this? Do you think this is what's happening here? I know that, you know, we talked about Graham in the beginning and his Netflix show,

it became wildly popular. People were very familiar with that. What are your thoughts on how this, you know, advanced of architecture, construction, and And then to be, it to be very, seeming to be very ceremonial, at what they say, right? Because people didn't live at these sites. They lived near to them, but not at them. These weren't, you know, there weren't houses and floors and trash cans and stuff like that, right? What's your take on this, on these?

Because we're digging stuff up, right? These were, the other thing I want to ask you after this is thoughts on why they fill these in and covered these back up at some point because it seems very deliberate from at least what I've read. But that's a two-part question. I'm sorry, yeah. no that's cool no no let's start with the first one so that there's like this i believe you know when you go and look at these sites when you kind of there's a reconstruction of enclosure d uh at

peckley tepe inside the museum so you can actually go inside it and get a sense of the scale of it this is not a domestic site that this enclosure d is clearly a massive like temple of some sort it's a ceremonial space it's possibly a performance space so we're speaking beaches may have been given. This is a major thing. This is, and then you get people who claim, oh, it's all domestic. Don't worry, it's not a temple. It's all the new archaeologists are saying. And to me, it just doesn't add up. I mean, they found they believe domestic dwellings now at Quebec Leitepe. They believe they found domestic dwellings now at Karahantepa as well, around these main enclosures,

these main ceremonially enclosures. But it doesn't mean people were living there. It could be the fact that they were actually, you know, Grims coming in from different areas and, you know, working at different sites and moving around the landscape. So there's lots of different ideas about this now. But they have found what they think are domestic dwellings, but they're not really sure. We don't really go with that because none of these sites are right next to rivers or anything. So it's really hard to survive there. They literally have to collect rain water and harvest it and use it when it rains. This huge kind of like stem. It sounds a little like Chaco in some way in that sense, right?

Like Chaco Canyon, that's what I think of right away where you're like, they collected rainwater. There was nothing to eat there. There was like no way to feed people. You couldn't support a, you know, a population there. It had to be maybe you say as a pilgrimage or perhaps maybe it was, you know, the builders. I know in Egypt they've got these villages of people that had to live somewhere because they're building it, you know, for however many years. Well, it seems like, yeah, it seems like Hugh that they knew something that we did in terms of how they chose their locations. So obviously human beings just choose the beachfront property or, you know, we go to the location,

but it seems like the ancients knew something that we didn't when they chose a location to build something, even if it was in the middle of nowhere, there was a reason, right? Yeah, I think location is very important to these people. I think, you know, Quebec Le Tepe is a very interesting location because you're only a few miles from the Euphrates, the river. but they've now found all these, you know, carved out of solid bedrock water collection stations. You know, this is definitely a thing. But, you know, and they've also found lots of grinding tools and brewing kits for, like, beer, which they were definitely brewing there.

And so they had a system in place. And it was very lush back then. There was a lot of, there was quite a lot of rain at this time. This was like the fertile crescent. You know, this is like the fertile area. But there's still a big debate about. about if people were directly living there or just visiting it, you know, from different areas. And they would stay there for a few days, do their, do their ceremonies and things like this.

And then move on. They would help out a bit. They would help make some food for their clans that were coming in to visit and things like this. So you've got these ideas that are coming in about these sites. That's one of the things that I'm going to be writing about is that side of it. Because they're really, all the archaeologists are really pushing this domestic thing. And they're trying to take away the sort of sacredness of the site. You know, they're trying to make out there just, even the enclosures,

people just lived in them as elaborate houses, you know, things like this. Why do you think that they're doing that? Well, Klaus Schmidt, it was the original archaeologist. He was brilliant. He discovered the site pretty much back in 1994, 95. He died, unfortunately, a few years ago. But he was very much that these are temples. These are definitely temples.

they have to be, you know, the way they're constructed, the layout and everything else. We don't know why this is all changed with the new archaeologists. It just has. I mean, they might be right. People might have ended up living there, you know, because they just loved it so much. But one of the things that proves their temples is the fact that they're beautifully acoustic. They have geometry, very sophisticated geometry, working with the cardinal directions, which equates to be in a temple.

and also they have accurate and very intricate measurement systems, the metrology as well, encoded, embedded within these sites. And so they must have had an understanding of earth measurements as well. And so these kind of things put it down as a temple, a sacred place, you know, a kind of, and you can see when you're finding the same designs, abstract artistic designs of tea pillars and other such things, every other site in the area over a thousand, two thousand year period. You can see how influential this was, and that wouldn't have been just for domestic or practical reasons. Isn't the archaeoastronomy a good argument as well?

The idea these things are all so intricately solar and then celestial aligned. It's like, I notice a bunch of weirdos now that'll lay out their houses for certain reasons like that, and no offense anyone here does that, but it seems an odd thing to do for your dwelling to be like, let's make sure that we capture all these celestial events. And I believe isn't, isn't Kharan Tepi, isn't also like a solar calendar, basically a solar calendar in the way that the pillars are lined up as well? Yeah, there's a theory put forward by Martin Swetman, who claims it's a loony solar calendar. So if you count, if you count the different pillars in the head in a certain way, it equates to the number of months, then into calorie days at the end of the year and things like this, he's degrae.

coded the same thing from Pillar 43 at Quebec Leitepe as well and it's a hypothesis he's put forward, he's actually an academic so he's getting it peer reviewed and if he's right which he could well be that this fits in with this winter solstice discovery

as well. It fits in with the summer solstice alignments because you have to have a beginning point of any type of calendar and the winter solstice traditionally many ancient cultures was the kind of start of the new year. It wasn't January the first, it wasn't the equinox or anything like that.

That's when it generally was. So, yeah, I believe that's the case. And you also mentioned about the covering over of the sites. Yeah, just before we forget that, as you said, many of these sites, including Quebecly and Carrahan-Tepa-L have proven now, were deliberately kind of repaired, put back together, and then covered over. Now, Klaus Schmidt believed this was all done ritualistically. This was all done as part of a kind of process of closing down, decommissioning,

burying the site like you bury your relatives and then moving on you know and so that's one aspect but the new archaeologists are claiming it collapsed inwards and then they repaired it and buried it and things like this so there's two different schools of thought on that but it's known that caravan tepe for instance the the pillar shrine or the ab pit that was definitely deliberately covered over and that preserved it until 2019 preserved it preserved it for a really 11,000 years and everything was in place when they uncovered that. The main enclosure, in the 75 foot wide one like Kerrahan Tepe,

it looks like it was deliberately damaged. Things were broken deliberately and then it was covered over. But they placed all the stone plates on benches. They put some statues back in position. Then they covered it over. And so what on earth was that all about? So something might have happened. They just had to move on.

it'd run its course, you know, it'd been used for 1,500 years, and it was time for a change, or they had to be forced out by incoming invaders, the weather might have turned, they were growing food now in different places, different, you know, thought system about, you know, religion and things, who knows? But they definitely did deliberately cover them up. Is there any relations, maybe a dumb question, between the 12 sites they'd discovered and maybe the pillars themselves, because there's 11 freestanding pillars, and then there's that one, or loving ones that are carved out.

He said that it looked like mushrooms or fallacies or whatever, and then you have that one freestanding one. Is that connected to the sites themselves? Because sometimes on a show, you know, they build these things, but they're strategic with other places. And even though they're far from each other. Yeah, well, there are definite routeways between each of these sites.

We're currently doing some research on the geodetic nature, see if there's connections between them. We are finding it, starting to find patterns, kind of in the landscape, almost like we found a lay line connecting some of them up, you know, like a series of sites and a dead straight line, for instance. We found two of those, I think, in that whole area. We found connections with sites worldwide as well, geodetically and measurement-wise, you know, over thousands of miles in some cases,

suggesting this may have been known about in very early times. And actually the builders, when they closed it down, moved on and spread this knowledge outwards because the geometries that I've now found inside it are exactly the same as the ones you find in British stone circles, which is unbelievable. It doesn't make any sense. And so when you start applying all this to the Book of Enoch

and the Sumerian traditions and the Old Testament, some of the stories will start to make sense that this knowledge was being shared from this area. and around the world. That's wild. I just feel like the more that we find out, Hugh, and the more that we discover, the less we know, it almost feels that way.

And the fact that there's a pit full of fallacy, I just want to make 10 different jokes. I know we're having a serious conversation, but it's like, you know, they didn't cover it up because it wasn't funny anymore, because here we are, you know, 10,000 years later, it's still funny. So do you believe this is,

this is the epicenter for a lot of the geometry that we're talking about spreading out? Do you think it came from somewhere else? Do you think there's a predecessor to this? Because I know that when we, going back to Graham Hancock's thing, because I think everyone has a point of reference, they're funny. You know, he talked about structures,

I believe in Indonesia that are even super older. And, you know, there hasn't been excavations there, but we know there are older structures. And you talked about some of the ones Ice Age ones that exist. I think that knowledge was passed down from older structures? Is this ground zero? Is that what you're saying? Or is this, yeah, is this ground zero?

Or do you believe that this was, something that was imparted, perhaps is like in the Annacian tradition that you had mentioned before, where this is an impartation of knowledge, maybe this is ground zero for that. I personally think that Beckley-Tepi and Carahan-Tepae, this is ground zero when it comes to innovation, you know, that became civilization soon after. I call it a super-civilization because the advancements of and sudden change that took place in this era are just astonishing. You know, you have sophisticated astronomy.

We're not just talking about the sun and the moon. We're talking about the stars, the Quebecly and Carahan have connections with Cygnus. Deneb, you know, in Cygnus, you have the Sirius thing. Sirius was starting to rise on the southern horizon and things like this. That was being recorded. New evidence we've got with Scorpius. I was talking with Andrew about today, in fact, which is going to come out. in the books.

And so there's lots and a lot. It's too advanced, all this kind of stuff. And then you look in the geometry. This is something I haven't published yet. I'm going to do an article about this. It's going to be coming out of my book as well. And I've talked about it in a couple of my lectures. But this is basically,

so the geometry is the most fascinating part for me, because we've got, if you look into the work of Alexander Tom in the 1950s and 60s, we find that he came up with eight or nine different types of geometry. specific oriented, it's different sort of elliptical egg shapes, flattened circles, things like this. And the same principles and the same geometries have now been found at Gabletepe and Kavarahan Tepe. I just looked into this myself and found all these. I'm amazing no one else had done it before. And so that blew my mind. Then I worked with a gentleman called Adam Tetlow,

who's a master geometer, a metrologist, ancient measurement expert. And he found that the same measurement systems that we find a place like Stonehenge and in the pyramids, Sumerian, Ziggurats were used at Quebec Leitepe. So it must have come from there. It must have originated there. They were using it first. And we haven't found them at any other sites yet because not enough being excavated.

So there might be more. There might be older. But this is what we've found so far. And so if that's the case, then this is a massive, massive story. And the archaeologists, academics,

interested in geometry or astronomy or ancient measurement systems. They're just not interested. Whereas I am and many of my colleagues and friends are. So we're going to be doing this ourselves and applying what we know to these sites. We have to thank people like Alexander Tom, also John Neal and John Michelle, who are like my mentors, have been looking into these side of things at ancient sites for a very long time. You know, it reminds me, Hugh, a lot. Early on on a show, we interviewed Fritz Zimmerman, and he wrote a book about,

He does a lot of the mathematical work here in America and all these mounds. And he was saying that the natives wouldn't have had access to this sacred geometry, right? And they were building things to the solstice here. They had the serpent mounds. So you have this, you have this sort of ancient math here in America. And you have these serpent mounds here, too. So they must have spread out from somewhere. They were all over kind of building the same things.

And have you seen any connection here in America to the things you're finding over there in Turkey? Well, yeah, you do. I mean, a lot of people underestimate the Native Americans and the quality of the layout of some of their mound sites. Or at least they learned it from somebody, you know? Yeah, but it's so advanced the geometry they were using. They were using Pythagorean triangles. They were using alignments exactly like we find, you know, in Giza, you know, around Egypt, in Britain and other such places. There's similar geometries to some of the stone circles as well.

And so whether they, it's likely they might have come up with them, they could have come up with them independently because a smart, rational mind. And remember if these are the giants were talking about, they had big brains to work with as well. And they were probably, again, they were eating bags of mushrooms in North America as well and get stimulating and having ideas flowing and things like this. Good ideas, man. Well, there's a good case. There's two ways to look at this. either there's a migration eventually made its way over to America. This is Fritz Zimmerman's one of his theories.

It all began in the Bible lands, spread out through Europe. It came over the Atlantic to America. That's where you get the Nephlin in America, things like this. There's also the kind of beyond that, you have the Denisovan DNA and ideas coming down from Siberia, which migrated into Turkey and America many hundreds of thousands years ago. And some of those ideas maintained themselves. So there's different ways of looking at it. But I think there are connections between the Americas and the Middle East.

There's lots of strange things that have been found in Peru, for instance, or Bolivia, you have the Fuente Magnabole, found near Lake Titicaca, near Tijuana, they had two different types of Sumerian inscriptions with a Mara script, which is a local Bolivian ancient kind of text. And that must be like 2000 BC or something like this. And so what's that doing there? And was there a connection with Sumeria in 2000 BC? So why not from other times?

Because we know there's now people taken to boats and sailing around the world, going back 40 to 50,000 years or more. You know, I think there's even a thing that came out something like 400,000 years ago. They found evidence of sailing and things like this. And so why not? Why can't ideas be spread around? Why can't there be kind of movement around the planet? When you look at the book of Enoch, you actually get passages in that that talk about Enoch being taken by the angel Uriel and flown around to different places to these different latitudes, to these different areas that have got different weather, different terrain and things like this.

And this is clearly stated and written down. And he was a scribe Enoch. He was known in the Scots. He was trying to write down all this stuff that he was learning, all these places he was being taken to. And he literally spoke about going off to measure and build and looking through porthole stones at the sun and the stars. So all the stuff we're talking about was written down and recorded by people like this and in these ancient books. And so no doubt to me there was certainly movement around the planet and ideas spreading out from places like Gebegli Tepe. The mathematics though, right?

Like we're talking high knowledge. We're talking like advanced mathematics, which always is the, is like the smoking gun. far as I'm concerned, what we're being told isn't, is about history isn't true. Like, because at this point, I mean, it's the same story with the megaliths, you, it's like, you go to Peru and you see the Incan architecture and structures in it, and it doesn't look like the megaliths. It's different. They use mortar and brick, and we have precision fit stones.

This is just Peru, for example. Same thing, and same thing across the globe. It's fascinating to me that it was known across, across the planet. it was known in all these different places and then is lost and I mean I know we have the flood epic and the flood story the Noahic flood and that could account for some maybe potentially the loss of knowledge but I just I love the work you're doing because I think it's so important to realize that like even we talk about the new archaeologists like they're still pushing the narrative that isn't backed up by the historical the evidence the record the stones the the things

you can touch and put your hands on and then measure. That's what I think is really important about the work. And I'm excited for one that you're talking about this on our show because you get, you know, your books coming out, and you've lectured a bit about this. But grateful for you sharing that because it is a mine grenade that there is that we're finding the same geometry at a place that is way older than we're supposed to find it.

And that's replicated in places like France and in the UK, in Britain's. And then, you know, Fritz has found similar things. We've talked, we've done an episode on the serpent mound and, and talking about its celestial alignment and the geometry there. And you're like, these things all are the same and they're all really old. I think I can't reiterate how important it is that this gets rewritten. It matters. It's just funny to me that this is, that it's outside the box to think that these things existed when they did.

And I'm just, it's just impressed upon me that that that's just as. It's crazy that people push back against that. They lived there. It was a house. It was a house with all these, you know, with nowhere to live, just a lot of teapellers. Yeah, no, I agree with you. I mean, I think what Graham Hancock's done with ancient apocalypse is brilliant, actually. I mean, I'm just delighted.

It's got the exposure it has, like tens of millions of viewers, you know, seeing, you know, Carrahan Tepe was on there as well. He went there actually, like, when it just started to be an excavator. Only half of the main enclosure was actually kind of uncovered. And he was fortunate enough to get inside the pillar shrine, which we're definitely not allowed to do that anymore, that's for sure. But yeah, so, you know, I think, like, you need people like that to break down the kind of boundaries.

I mean, he's been doing this for 20 or 30 years, mind you. But to me, a lot of it makes sense of what he talks about. I don't necessarily agree with everything he says. But fundamentally, he's on the, you know, he's the pioneer. He's the one who's getting attacked. He's the one who's putting his reputation on the line, pushing the boundaries down and just, you know,

going into debate with archaeologists about this who are, you know, quite mean to him and getting caught in some cases. It's pretty nasty. It gets pretty nasty. But if they're reacting that badly to this kind of stuff, why are they doing that? You know, there must be something in there that is really annoying them, you know, that he's got an element

of truth in it. There must be. Because otherwise, why would they bother? Why don't they just dismiss it as a lot of nonsense? You know, you know what I mean? So there's like... Yeah, you're over the target. You're over the target. If you get the sort of get the pushback. Yeah. I mean, that's one of the things we did. Yeah, that's one of the things I tend to focus on with the conference that I organize here in every May.

We bridge the balance between academic and alternative researchers and actually throw them all into the mix on the same stage. And we now get top, you know, academic archaeologists and historians and things like this alongside some quite far out ideas, far out, you know, speakers and things like that. And this is what we've been doing for years. And so is Graham. And so I think it's just, you'll keep doing it. And now where they're all getting on with each other and becoming friends and realizing, oh, there's something in that, you know.

Yeah. And people are now, the alternative, people are now respecting the archaeologists because they're willing to kind of open their minds. a bit and likewise the people who've been into the far out stuff are realizing what archaeologists do is very important they do all the hard work you know digging and exploring you know and kind of getting it into you know but i think there's when it comes to interpretation that's open for to everybody i think i think you've got to have different disciplines interpreting sites rather than just just archaeologists doing it yeah man because i think you know you can get sort of pigeonhole i mean every expert has their blind spots right every person every researcher has a blind spot it's it's

possible. And I think that, you know, the way the academics and science used to work is you throw it all in the pot. Everyone, every, we get some hypothesis is, you know, let's figure this out. And then, I don't know, in the last 50 years, it seems like there's one narrative. If you challenge it, you're out. And it's a strange time to be a human being, especially with research. And one thing we talk a lot about on our show, Hugh, is there's familiar themes. Obviously, Luke and I, you know, we're not, this isn't really our expertise. We don't dive into these rabbit holes all the time. or more in the creature space, but there seems to be this emphasis on bloodlines,

reproduction, and fertility that goes on in the ancient world. And sometimes I think about it like a modern day human, like they had the same problems that we had, right? They were trying to get energy. And some people are just like, oh, this pyramid is a giant tomb. And it doesn't make any sense. What makes more sense is some sort of power source, some sort of generator, because that's what they needed like we need today.

We got our electrical grid. they have their electrical grid. They don't look anything the same, but the similar problem, right? So is maybe someplace like Caharan TEPI, maybe an ancient fertility site? You go there, you get pregnant. You go there, you see all these big giant fallaces,

and then you got a baby. I don't know. That's the way my mind thinks. Like, is that could be something so simple, and it is a shrine, but there's a functional purpose. It's like a medical center, maybe. I totally, yeah, that's exactly right. I mean, that's what me and JJ are currently writing about.

The idea is a fertility site. That's one of our main themes because we've got a second article coming out on the Graham Hancock.com website in the next few weeks. We're taking our time with it. It's also going to be a chapter in a forthcoming book. And this is it. This is what we're finding because those kind of phallus-shaped stones, you know, those three monoliths are like Shiva Lingams of ancient Vedic tradition,

you know, which are often associated with fertility and, and abundance and things like this. And the same principles are there. And JJ has found lots and lots of evidence of goddess traditions there. Even the place names as well are linked with, you know, this goddess,

this feminine aspect, you know. And so, yeah, the list goes on. And we've done a whole, a whole load of research on that because even the winter solstice son is like a male, shard of light penetrating the female porthole stone and then going into this womb-like chamber

which has got fallacies in it and then water comes in which is feminine. There's all this constant mix. So it could be what you say. It could be a birthing site. It could be a place where people go and get pregnant or give birth. There were certainly we believe ceremonies and rituals and dances and celebrations on the winter solstice where this kind of stuff would have happened. In pagan traditions, that's on Mayday where all the locals get together. and get busy and go crazy with each other over a few days and get pregnant and everything else. But the winter solstice is also fertilising time of year as well. And like you start looking into the traditions, you start looking into what even archaeologists

like Aubrey Burle have been writing about. They say the same thing. This is highly likely what these were used for. It's not just to record astronomy or not just for some of the specific reasons behind that. And I think what you're saying works very well like Harrahane-Tepa. possibly Quebecli-Tepi, but I see Gebeckle-Tepi more as a center of innovation, almost like a university, a teaching area,

where all the ideas were being placed, whereas Cameron was more of a kind of ceremonial shamanic site. Yeah, I love it. I mean, that's the way my mind works. That's the way I think about things. I mean, because some of the creatures we hear about on our show, you, they have genetic anomalies, right? They have six fingers, six toes,

double rows of teeth, giant heads, physical sort of hybrid maybe problems, right? Some of them are described as different color. Their blood doesn't work. So do you think that these beasts, kind of creatures, giants, whatever, could have had, like problems getting pregnant? They couldn't reproduce as easy. This took a turn, Nick.

It could be the case. It could be the case. I mean, like, funnily enough, one of the statues at Carra Han-Depi on the hands at eight fingers on each hand. Some of the other statues have four fingers, six fingers and things like this. Even the archaeology's Neshmi Kerala stated quite clearly he's confused why there's no statues with normal amount of fingers carved on them. What does that mean? And so, yeah, so I mean, there's also lots of statues of animals and humans with like emaciation with like almost like they're starving, they're showing their ribs and things like this. They're really skinny.

and so was there a problem with growing food? Is this why they had to create this kind of fertility? And there's also traditions, you know, this is very strong traditions everywhere around the world that, you know, you know, having, you know, literally having fertility rights at ancient sites would stimulate fertility, not just in themselves, but in the animals, the plants and the landscape. And so sexual rights was part of this.

And I believe the symbolism kind of proves that at Kerahen-Tepa. This was most likely the case. it's interesting but you've also got the animal right because a lot of the you mentioned the animals yeah so you got a lot of the statues there are kind of half

human with a kind of almost like a kind of animal on their back you know like different creatures like foxes different canids as well you know some of the statues literally have them standing on their

back holding their head and things like this. And so, you know, there's even, if you look back into the old traditions, again, which I've been doing a lot recently, there's, there's all these kind of symbols of bestiality, a bestiality, which is, sounds pretty dark, you know, crosses your mind what that means. But it may be more symbolic, more of a shamanic kind of combination of human animal hybrid rather than. Sounds like a skin walker. Sounds like a skin walker. Yeah, exactly. So there's this kind of shamanic element as well, I think, you know, when you're looking into these sites, because they really revered animals.

You know, they domesticated many of them. They feared them, no doubt. They ate a lot of them, I'm sure. But there's also this kind of hybrid element, which I think was ceremonial and linked with fertility. And it was a way to kind of enhance fertility in themselves in the landscape. So there's all these things to consider. There's something me and JJ are currently writing about as we speak. So I think it's, you know, everyone wants to know if you,

ever dig up a statue of Bigfoot out there, you got to let us know. That is the source of Bigfoot, Luke. He came out of the ground of Caharan Teppi, and then he spread all over the world. I mean, we talk about mythological creatures in the show, and you have the centaurs and the, and the, the goat man and all these sort of hybridized, you know, and if you could look at Genesis 6-4 and that all flesh is corrupted, they're, there could be something to that in the sense of, you know, if we're to, you know, say perhaps some of these things were actual real creatures and it was a, you know, this weird, this weird creation and hybridizing of human and animal DNA, could be that. It could be symbolic. I mean, I think it's fascinating that that's, as old as is, that's what's on the walls, right?

That's what they choose to memorialize for, you know, for as long as the stone will stand, that's been memorialized. It's interesting. The Sumerian myths, which this kind of general area, although thousands of years later may have been influenced by this time, they talk about, I mean, you look into the Sumerian translations, you look into the stories of Enlil Enki and Harsag and so forth. And they talk about creating a different race of humans to be kind of subservient to them out of clay and blood, i.e. DNA and things like this. and also combinations of animals to be their kind of slave animals, if you like. And this is the genuine Sumerian translations. This isn't Zachariah Sitchin. This isn't kind of outrageous kind of ideas that are being put forward along those lives.

This is what they wrote down. This is in cuneiform. This is written down. And we know they must have been talking about this time, this Kenara Antepega Beklee Tapley time, because they talk about very clearly the beginning of agriculture, how it went from almost like a hunter-gatherer to agriculture. agriculture and that we know when that happened now, which is about 9,000.

You can date that. Yeah. So they must have been talking around this time. This is where all these advanced kind of semi-divine beings emerged in the area and built these sites, built these constructions, developed all these different civilizing ideas, and then developed agriculture, domesticated animals. These were written about the Sumerian stories, and no one really knew when that was from. They thought it was maybe 4,000 BC or something. No, it could be like 9,000 to 10,000 BC. So it's odd. I mean, you start looking into these old myths and stories and they're very strange and they're very kind of matter of fact some of them as well.

Right. And they run parallel. I mean, that runs parallel to a lot of what, you know, what you see from other traditions as well and the biblical narrative. And it's, man, it's crazy. That's why I love what you're doing here is that we're just, you're digging. They're literally out there digging and rewriting history as we know it and that's been told to us or spoon fed to us. And it's, it's funny how you, how you be able to sift the truth, right? That's what I think I get. out of most of this is that like like nate said you put everything in the pot but really the truth is what comes out you know if you have if you're really looking for it and not to back up your your predetermined hypothesis or or not to back up what your donors have paid you to find right if you're really just looking for the truth you you can't keep it under wraps forever it doesn't doesn't stay hidden i think we're seeing some of that's going on yeah i got one last question for you you know you probably got to go thanks for your time by the way hugh nowadays we have drones and we have planes, we can go up in the air and we can look down.

Is there anything in that area we can look down on that's different or are there any UFO connection or any weird stuff that seems to suggest that not only were they building it, you know, on the ground, but you could, when you zoom out, see some weird stuff. Yeah, I mean, there's a few of like, there are a few anomalies in the landscape. There's something Andrew Collins has been noting around some of the sites. There's almost like kind of like geoglyph symbolism. like they've chosen certain places because of when you look at it from a far or above, it looks like a kind of crescent moon or something like this.

You know, it's this, but when you start going under the ground, I mean, look at sites like Derren Kuyo, a few hundred miles to the west, huge underground cities. They found some near the Quebecli-Tepi region in a place called Marden now. So you get an underground cities, you know, huge amount of work carving these out. They date back to possibly a similar era. So I think, you know, we're trying to kind of look at it as well. I mean, once the sites become excavated, you realize, like, there's a site called

a Yanla Hoyak, for instance. It hasn't even been excavated yet, but it's huge. It's bigger than the whole of Gabi-Tepi. Even Gabi-Tepi, only 5% has been uncovered. Whereas Carrahan-Tepa, I estimate 1% has been uncovered, you know, and things like this. And so the possibilities of what we're going to see, I think we'll start to see more of what you're talking about, possible kind of landscape kind of shaping going on, possibly different geometries or even figures in the landscape. You know, like geoglyphs, like, you know, you find

in NASCAR and things like that. Who knows? I mean, there's some found in Saudi Arabia, which is causing a bit of a sensation at the moment and a few other places in the Middle East. So, yeah, so who knows what's going to come out? I mean, it's still in the kind of excavation process, and it going on for many more years, in fact. Well, I got one last, too. Oh, there you guys. You've written on Giants. We talked about Giants in Britain on the show.

You're a giant guy. Anything fresh on that front for us? Or you might not. But I always like to check in on any recent discovery revelations around the big guys. Well, yeah. I mean, we've kind of put that to bed while I focus on this, but we are finding more and more accounts. I mean, North America, more and more keep coming up, which is kind of, kind of freaky.

We're hoping to find more in Turkey in places like this. We know there are quite a few from the Middle East, which are kind of on our minds, but we haven't found any direct connections yet with sites we're looking at like Carra Han Tepe and so forth. In fact, one interesting thing, a Yan La Hoyak, which is one of these, that's going to be in the news in about three or four years. That's going to be the big site. Everyone's talking about like Carahan Tepe is today. that the name of that translates in Kurdish because we know it was all Kurdish this kind of area potentially

as to like some kind of giant being eating or devouring and so even one of the names of the sites now we have related to giants which is like that's sort of shocked us when we spoke to the locals and got this information this is this is why it's one of the things me and and jay jay do a lot we've got friends over in turkey now they come with us and they translate for us and we get to meet the locals, the town elders, and get all the information about what was really going on and the names, you know, everything else. So we've been gathering data like that. There's like this site as well. They found this giant cave system, which goes hundreds of meters into the earth, but they blocked it all up. But we've got the guys said they'll go in and photograph it all for us and send it back to us. And they say there's carvings down there. There's bones in some of them. So yeah, who knows what's going to come out of there.

Directly relating to the giants, yeah, we found a few more from Britain since the book, just a couple more. We've found since we published up Giants on record book about North America back in 2015, something like 400 more accounts have been announced as more papers or newspapers get digitized. And so it's not us doing the research. We've got a couple of people, this guy, Giants of Ancient America, who does Instagram, Travis, Travis Roy.

He's been on the show. Oh, yeah. A couple of others. So I keep an eye on what they're up to. And I'm like, wow, okay, there's more and more coming out here. So the data's building up. I mean, it's just, you know, this is the problem. This is the problem.

So you can't keep dismissing it if you get more and more accounts like this. And I think what we uncovered in Britain, I think, surprised a lot of people because people didn't expect it here. They thought, we thought we were going to find 20 accounts if we're lucky, but we ended up with 250. So even a small Islands of Britain, an island

we were quite impressed with what we found. I love it, Hugh. Giant island, baby. Yeah, that's right. There's a spider web, and it seems to go all over the world, you know,

and it starts maybe in some of these places like Karen Teppi, so we appreciate you. Hugh coming on, dropping your knowledge on our listeners and maybe share with them how they can get involved with where you're at

and what you're doing, whatever you want to plug. Sure, yeah, Yeah, well, they can search for me all sorts of social media. Our megalithomania website is just megalithomania.com. UK. Also the big YouTube channel, we've got like 1,000 videos up on, you've got tons on Kerah Antepe now.

We've got new videos coming out soon to sort of come inside with the ancient aliens episode that we're involved with. Obviously, we do a big, you know, we encourage people to get out and explore and meet. meet us all. We do our big megalithomania conference every May, 6th and 7th of May in Glastonbury, England. We do four days of tours. We have all this kind of ancient mysteries information, including academics as well. We've got a great line-up this year. People can check it out of the website. We also take groups out now with Andrew and JJ to Carrahan-Tepa and Turkey. We do a couple of tours a year, and this really helps us because we're completely self-funded.

so it helps, you know, enable our research. And also we discover things on our trips as well with groups. And so it blows their mind, you know, when we kind of make these little discusses. Sometimes they point stuff out we haven't even seen, didn't even notice before. We found this in 2015. We found this bone plug that a friend of ours was on the tour had eye surgery, laser surgery, like a few days, a few weeks before. And we can see it, but he saw it.

And there was this inscription, a tiny little thing, three inches tall, this bone fragment, carved tea pillars on it, which is the first pictorial image of tea pillars anywhere found in the area. And it caused this viral sensation, and it was one of our tour members who kind of found it. So we do enjoy it when groups come out

because we're researching while we travel. We stay on and continue our research afterwards. So people want to check out our tours. They're happening in May, September to Turkey, but we do other ones to multiple other places as well. Yeah, it really helps us.

and, you know, we have a lot of fun as well. So, yeah, it's all on megalithamania.com.com. Appreciate it. Yeah, everyone will get out there, Nate. We've got to get out there and see that stuff. I know. You're going to come annoy you. Sounds good.

Big dumb Americans, big dumb Americans, the beards following you around. Yeah. Pointing it stuff in the dirt, yeah. It takes a lot of people sometimes. It's amazing what you can find if you just get a group of people in an area

and what everyone points out. Everyone's seeing something different. It's amazing how many things can just be right there in the dirt You can't, you just walk over it a thousand times and it takes some mind in some particular day to figure it out. So it's weird. I agree. And I think there's a lot to be said for that. And so, you know, you know, this is why we enjoy getting together at the conferences and on the tours.

Because you get people just like us, you know, just want to, they're fascinated. They want to find out more. They want different ideas. And they can search for themselves, especially somewhere like this part of Turkey where it's still being excavated. things are actually happening now. It's almost like going back to the 1800s in Egypt when they're starting to uncover the temples or the jungles of Mexico and things like that

when they're starting to make the discoverers. This is what it's like now in Turkey. So it's quite a fascinating time to be getting out to these places. That's so cool. Yeah, it's like you're on the front end instead of the back end. I'll bring my mom. She can find anything. I'll bring her as well.

That's right. Hugh, thanks again, man. We totally appreciate your time and spend a time with us. And everybody, check out what he's doing.

Check out the tours. And then, yeah, you've got another, I know you have another article dropping on Graham Hancock's website that's coming up more on, as you say,

I want to say it like a British, Carahan. All right? Carahan. Yeah. Tepe. Yeah. I'm working on it.

Thanks to you. That's proper. That's the proper way. Well, thanks, guys. I appreciate it. Thanks for inviting me on the show.

And, yeah, take care. All right. Good to see you, brother. See you.