Blurry Creatures - EP: 158 The Mothman: A Tribute to Joe Taylor

Episode Date: March 14, 2023

This week we honor a legend and true renaissance man. We were sad to hear of the passing of Joe Taylor last week and as a tribute, are releasing the last episode we recorded him. In this previously Members-Only episode, Joe recounts some of the most strange and bizarre Mothman encounters that he had collected from his region of Texas. Joe was an artist, paleontologist, and true friend to many in the Blurryverse. Join us as we remember Joe and his legacy, as he shares the firsthand accounts he chronicled over the years of operating the Mt. Blanco Fossil Museum. We and countless others in this space will miss you, Joe. Thank you for always pushing the truth forward and helping so many put the puzzle pieces together. Guest: www.mtblanco.com  Intro Song: Dreamkid83 [e-mail]   blurrycreatures.com   Socials instagram.com/blurrycreatures   facebook.com/blurrycreatures  twitter.com/blurrycreatures   Music Kyle Monroe: tinytaperoom.com   Aaron Green: https://www.instagram.com/aaronkgreen   Outro Song: TimeCop1983: timecop1983.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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You can figure what the heck it was. She looks up, and here's this thing hovering above her. There's a truck, 16-wheel truck coming towards her. He's not going very fast, apparently. 4 o'clock in the morning. And all of a sudden, there's something in front of her. I don't know if she had time to hit the brakes, but she boom hits this thing, bumps her head,

dense the fender, knocks it sliding over in the grass in the ditch. about, I think, 30 feet away from what she said. He gets out of the car, kind of stunned, I suppose. At first, the trucker gets out, he said, man, man, get back in your car. Those things aren't human. Get back in your car. Welcome back to Blurry Creatures.

This week we have a special one for you. We're going to release an episode that was a member-only episode to everyone that we did a couple months back with Joe Taylor. Luke and I didn't know that Joe Taylor was sick, and he passed away last week. and just very sad. I feel like the space has lost a lot of great ones lately, and Joe was generous.

He came on a show a bunch of times and told some great stories. He worked at the Mount Blanco Fossil Museum, ran it. And most of you guys share a meme of a guy with a big old scraggly white beard standing next to a giant skeleton bone on the thigh. Well, that's Joe Taylor, and that gets shared around a lot in these spaces.

So this one's for you, Joe. Sad to lose such a great one in this space. I know he was friends with a lot of the people who come on our show, a lot of the guests. So we just wanted to release this one to everyone. But if you want to support the show, get access to episodes like this. You can go to blurry creatures.com slash members. And we just released one on the UFO highway, the invisible UFO highway. And a lot of people are really loving that and doing that at home and doing the experiment that we talked about on that episode.

So this one's for you, Joe. And sorry for those who were connected to him, who lost him. a friend. The history of our earth is so different from what we can imagine. The Smithsonian, that if they found out about a large skeleton somewhere, was to go get it. I'm going to assume at least one person is right, because if one person's right, it bust the paradigm. It all goes back to the fallen chair. And the problem with the modern day church, they have a very truncated view of the supernatural.

This backdrop that's just pregnant with all kinds of things. meaning associated with this Mount Herman event. And this guy defects from the kingdom. That's a big deal. Welcome back to blurry creatures, Joe Taylor, the paleontologist from the Mount Block Oak Museum. Happy to have you back on the show today. Joe, you're an artist, a Renaissance man, and somebody that everyone should get to know and hang out with. Appreciate you coming on blurry creatures.

And Joe, you're a man of many rabbit holes. We could go down so many rabbit holes with you. You could indeed. from giant fossils to Mothman to Bigfoot to all kinds of weird alternate history. I wish we had enough time to talk about all the weird stuff. But thanks for coming back on blurry creatures again. Joe, Taylor, those are you listening from the Mount Blanco Creation Museum. Thanks for coming back on Blurry Creatures.

You're welcome. We actually call it Mount Blanco Fossil Museum. And we say Blanco, yeah, Blanco, we can't say Spanish around here. Blanco. Blanco. It's got to pay in there. I mean, just blank. Yeah, exactly.

We grew up in California. We were forced to take Spanish, remember? Yeah, I remember. Well, I got to work for me. When we speak Spanish back and forth to each other, we say blank, hell. I love it. I love it. Well, Joe, I was seeing you were posting some stuff on Facebook about doing a presentation about Mothman.

That's one of the more elusive cryptids, and I thought it would be cool. You're actually doing an event about it, so I thought we could talk about it here on the podcast, because that's, it's so mysterious, the mothman. It isn't. I think we've become sort of the Mothman capital of the world here of the last few years. And now Dogman's running through town, I guess. I've got a buddy here tonight. Max McNabb, dad knew one of the guys in the original, was that old town over there?

Sundown. Sundown, Texas, Mothman and counterback in the 70s. We were more of an Alman. Alman, Mothman. You know, that's one of the thing about the mothman. I'm not sure anybody knows really what his face looks like. I got a really old wood cut, and it shows a guy with wings, a man with wings, and an owl's head riding a big wolf. What is that?

Is that owl, man, moth man? Writing a big wolf. That sounds like a tie-dye shirt that you might buy at a craft fair. I kind of want one. That was wild. Yeah, those listening. Joe is also a great idea. artist. Man of many talent.

I'm not in the dress designing business, fellows. I talked to a fabricator, a lady that makes dresses. I said, how much material is it take to make a dress? Oh, about seven yards that go loud. A thousand bucks a yard. The stuff I'm going to use, you're going to cost somebody a fortune.

Yeah. There go. That's a whole other story. Hold on the story. Work smarter, not harder, right? We're just something bigfoot gear for now. That's all we get into. But those listening, Joe, like a real artist. You're one of the true artists of the day, everything

from designing fonts to basically molding casts of dinosaur bones, to you were painting murals. We had a long conversation the first time, and you have a cool history and a cool story. You have a lot to talk about. I love it. It's in West Virginia, though. We're talking Mothman the night. Wasn't West Virginia the Mothman

capital of the world, I thought? Point Pleasant. Well, that's where the first really major situation counter was that I know of. unless they were something before that, but yeah, they're most, they're famous for that. They made, uh, it's part of the town's draw. Now, they, I get to have stores there and sculptures and all kinds of stuff, and it's probably a big deal for them. But we've had at least five people encounter that thing here in Crosbyton.

One lady's encountered it twice and encountered it twice and hit the thing twice. Like with a car? Or with the, whether the same one, yeah, with a car. And those listening, you have, you have this museum. You have people coming in all the time and they're telling you their stories, right? I don't know why it is. Maybe it's ex-personality or whatever, but people say a little something,

and I don't shy away and go, all that's ridiculous. I just don't do that. And before long, they're telling you about, oh, yeah, I saw a Black Panther down south of here, man,

well, he wouldn't tell anybody, you know. And the stuff with the chippocry, the mouth, both man, big foot, all that stuff, they just don't talk about it,

but they do to me for some reason. Because I listen, and I take it, you know, at face value. So these, these are the ladies, they just open up and told me all this stuff, and I have no reason to doubt their story. You know, they had nothing to gain from telling you. In fact, most of them had already told anybody before.

So, you know, y'all run into this all the time. If you got to talk about Bigfoot or any other illusive creatures, all the blurry creatures out there, a lot of people discount it because they don't want to talk about it because they don't want to think. But, you know, anybody can discount something. Anybody can be a disbeliever. But, you know, that's really just kind of oftentimes lazy. But when you have a body, when you have 20,000,000, maybe 40,000 people who've had a similar occurrence with Bigfoot. And now how many, maybe a dozen that I'm aware of, at least, encounters with most men, owl man, whatever it is.

You know, you've got to say, okay, there aren't that many creative people out there making up stories that drive tractors and work in a gin. You know, these are just ordinary people. They don't make stuff like that up. you know, the Northwest Passage would never have been found if everybody said, all they can't be. We're going to let's that old Indian guy or some trapper. They paid a deal with the government. Said, well, yeah, let's check these guys out.

It sounds like what they're saying is true. We've heard this three times now. So, you know, that's how things get done. People follow up on things. That's what you guys do. That's what I do. I follow up on stuff. And, you know, I don't believe everything I hear, but I will check out everything I hear.

and a lot of people just discount it, thinking they're so smart, you know, that I don't believe that stuff. No, you're just really lazy. That's what it is and narrow-minded. Yeah. So, I mean, are people telling you more, is he getting weirder at the museum?

Like, are people telling you more stories, or is it just like the same old, same old, just like as you're going about your day? No, no, there's more stories. Of course, we've been shut down for two years. COVID shut us down in the last year at this time, We got hit with a bad storm, ripped up the roof on both sides of the museum, flooded the museum, all the carpets had to be taken out,

the flooring had to be taken out. It was a bad deal. So we've just now opened up about a month and a half ago to the public. We're not officially open until Labor Day here in a couple of weeks, you know, 2022, but we'll be officially open then. So there haven't been many people in because of COVID, but we're going to have the Bigfoot lady Harriet McPhee from the Bigfoot Crossroads Museum up in Nebraska

yeah you'll have her on your show sometime and she'll be here to drink coffee and have pastries and just talk to people but man she's she's been getting into stuff up there and she's just a lady that kind of got into this but so I've been working with her quite a bit and I'm going to take her in glory or anything but man she is on to some stuff up there

man coffee pastries and bigfoot that sounds like that was like a plan that's like a blurry creature's the pipe dream right there yeah bigfoot donuts yeah we like that joe the next town over here is rawls my birthplace actually don't tell anybody but okay no one knows anyway there's this russian guy has moved in there and he's opened up his pastry shop and he has other clients and love it but it's the best stuff you have ever had so i'm going to carry that in the museum i have that there for the grand opening and uh you can't resist good coffee Good pastries and weird, big foot, mountain stories.

They have to talk all of them. Joe, it says, this unofficial sponsorship here. It's like, this is the best don'ts you ever had. By the way, we're featuring them at the museum, so come on down.

Yeah, exactly. I love it. I love it. Yeah, and now the podcast is getting bigger. There's probably a lot of Texas, all of our Texas listeners out there. It's a big state.

We love you, Texas. You guys have a lot of weird cryptid activities. So, Joe, tell us how you, collected it up, Mothman, data actually wanted to do a presentation about it. I'm trying to think now how it got started. This guy was doing some work for me, and his wife was over. We got to talk, and I don't know, we're just sitting around drinking coffee, I guess, at the museum. And she started telling me this story.

They used to live a block away and a few blocks down on the highway that goes right by the museum here. She'd gone out at, I think 10 or 11 o'clock at night. to have a last cigarette. Just that out there, just did it all the time. And she's sitting there, it's, you know, it's, it's dark, probably in November sometime maybe, and said she sensed something. And I guess she could smell something, really smelled bad. She can figure what the heck it was.

She looks up, and here's this thing hovering above her. And she said it looked like jeepers creepers, like that face. I don't know what that, that's more human than moths or owl, but anyways, weird and scared to her as she ran in the house, closed all the windows, closed the doors, and, you know, that's, she was, she was terrified by the thing. And she said, I just hovered there and then circled and flew away. I can something hover. Sometimes it feels like when you get that phone bill, it's like the crash site document.

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and she's a trip in the air, and they see this thing hovering. It's kind of white and shimmery. She thought it was beautiful. He thought it was weird. He thought it was terrible, evil. He tells his mother there's something in the air we're here. And then, of course, they didn't have a camera thing.

He said, it just flew away, flew down south. through Crosby, and I went out of the end of town or stuff that I don't know what. But at that same time, this has been in the last 15, 20 years as best I can figure.

I've interviewed him twice, but they don't want to be on film. And I don't know why maybe, you know, maybe people think they're weird, but they've told the story the same every time. There was a guy south of town

saw the same thing. Flew right by his house, or he encountered it somewhere and other, but I don't know who that was. I think that house is gone. I think that guy is either deceased or gone, so I don't know who that was. But, you know, if they wanted some sort of glory or something or attention,

they would have said, oh, yeah, sure, record me put on YouTube. They didn't want that. So the sense, it gives us some credibility, but the stories I've been told twice now, the same story each time, and I have no reasons at it, I can't explain it. And the other lady that was a friend of the first lady that lived on the highway over here, She told me about her friend and that I interviewed her. So I've got the story from a secondary source and the first-hand source. She was going north out of Crosbyton on Route 6.51.

It's a farm road. It's a paved road, you know, but it's kind of a major third fair for the farmers out here. As she hit the edge of town on the north side of Crosby, which is only a mile away, you know, every way. There's a truck, 16-wheel truck coming towards her. And he's not going very fast, apparently. four o'clock in the morning, and all of a sudden there's something in front of her. I don't know if she had time to even hit the brakes, but she boom hits this thing, bumps her head, dents the fender, knocks it sliding over in the grass in the ditch,

about, I think, 30 feet away from what she said. He gets out of the car, kind of stunned, I suppose, at first the trucker gets out, he said, ma'am, ma'am, get back in your car. Those things aren't human. Get back in your car. said, I see him out here late at night. He's just kind of cussing and tell her, get back in your car. So she's one of those kind of not afraid of anything, people, goes over and shakes this thing.

She said, sir, are you all right? Oh, my gosh. He stands up as his wings, gives her this weird look. It smells terrible and just rises up and circles around her and flies away. And I don't know that the trucker like, you see these things. out here late at night in Crosbyton and they were now just now hearing about it.

So here about two years ago now about Thanksgiving time she told me that she was driving further on Route 651 out of Crosden about

six or eight miles out into the canyon. We have a canyon out there, Blanco Canyon where I've collected all the three-toed horses, a giant camel and stuff like that. But down to the bottom down there, there's sort of little creek runs through there. She wasn't going very fast. This thing's right in front of her again.

Boom. She hits it with a car. I guess it flies over into the ditch. He gets out. He's standing up now. She says, what are you? Who are you? What do you want?

And he just rises up, circles around, and flies away. She hit it twice. She hit it twice, yeah. She told another story, which I haven't published yet, but. She and another lady, I think, had some sort of like a little, oh, one of those little trailers that they sell hot dogs and snow cones and things like that. And you open up the side of it, you know, and you sell coffee and whatever. A food cart. Apparently they were staying in that thing.

And this is not here somewhere else in Texas. And she was got to think, and, you know, there was this guy came up. He looked like he's dressed in rags, like rags hanging off his arms. And I, they thought it was really weird. He didn't look right wearing a hat or something. something's all worn out and they closed the window. You know, they were afraid of him. But when she described as her first encounter of the mothman,

she described the wings as being like torn rags. Now, what the heck is that? That's crazy, yeah. Birds of feathers, bats have a filament, you know, have skin. But I don't know. It just doesn't fit a bird, doesn't fit a pterodactyl, doesn't fit a human. And I don't know anything that can hover, but a hummingbird. and they got to flap their wings 15 hundred times a minute.

So, unless they're flapping the wings and then my friend Max over here could tell you the story about the one at sundown, that thing could apparently fly 80 miles on hour. How fast does that pick up go? As fast as they could go. Was it probably a 60s pickup, 70s pickup? In 1981 was when it happened. Okay. So it had some kind of a 70s pickup probably.

Well, if it's a four-dry, she'd be that thing run 110 miles an hour. So they were going at least 100 miles an hour. I've heard stories of Bigfoot keeping up with truckers. They'll look out the window and they'll see it running right next to the window going down the freeway, 75, 80 miles an hour. Wow. And that's pretty fast, but I never heard anything going 100. Well, and flying and he's clinging at the back of the pickup. You want to hear Max tell the story?

Yeah. Bring him on here. Let's hear it. I'll hear it. I'm looking at something right here, and I'll tell that. Okay. This is like a... This is like a real episode of coast to coast right here.

I love it, Joe. I think it's interesting the idea that they didn't flap its wings, right? That's something actually that some of the experiences and encounters they had in West Virginia. They described a lot of the same things, like where these creatures would fly without flapping their wings. Kind of hovered. It was very strange. But that's a detail there, right, that isn't that we shouldn't overlook. I don't think you can because it really matches with what people have sort of historical precedence for this type of creature.

I think that the rags thing is interesting too. To me, that sounds a lot like in some ways, Nate, like when people describe the demonic, right, which, you know, it's like tattered rags or like a hefty garbage bag that's been torn and like torn up. And it kind of flutters. But the difference here to me is that she hit it, like physically hit this thing.

So it wasn't like an apparition or there was some physicality to this in the sense that it, you know, it was involved in an impact with a vehicle. That's what I've said. If it's a spirit or a demon, how can I leave a dent on a fender? Yeah. You know, and be knocked over into the grass and she said, you could see the slide marks or it slid through the grass, you know, like weeds and grass.

Should have bagged them up and brought them back. Yeah, she'd be a trillionaire now. Yeah. We need that in the museum, the Mothman exhibit. Maybe I should do a sculpture thing based on what these ladies saw. They ever had time. I could do it, but. Well, I bet you if you did and you just put a statue, a couple statues around and you just have to get something people can take a photo of and then you'll be.

Yeah, you know, that's a good idea. Dean in Crosbyton. Yeah, exactly. You know, the first time I told this retired policeman in his life, regular people, you know, there and they're probably 60s, I guess, at that time. I mentioned this to them. They drove down here from Oklahoma so they could drive 651, Route 651 in the middle of the night. if they can see that thing. Now, if I had the coffee shop,

we'd have to have a sale. Oh, yeah. Exactly. You need to go driving with the lady that saw it. She's two-for. Yeah. At least two for two and hitting this thing. Maybe you need to just drive around with her a little bit and see if you can't come up on this guy.

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It sounds like these creatures are, they're sort of this spiritual side to them, but there's also this physicality to them. Most people who just don't know a lot, just kind of throw generic terms at these things. But it sounds like these creatures are like a species of some kind. Is that how you, is that how you see Mothman? Like it's, you can't just say, well, I mean, it's probably demonic, but you can't just say, well, it's demons, because it sounds like it's a type of creature. Here's what I've said to people.

you know, okay, just a second, could this be one of God's creation that we just don't know anything about? Is it able to resist gravity somehow by some sort of an electric system? And, you know, whales can generate sounds you can't hear. Elephants can generate sounds you can't hear. So is it possible that there's a creature out there that can hover? Maybe it's an actual mall. Maybe it's an actual owl.

Maybe it's one of God's creatures. Maybe it's a demon, but why would it take on that vestige? Why would you take on that appearance and basically have the same, appear that be the same, do the same things to all these people? Why would they do that? Now, the one in West Virginia, didn't that have a red beam out of its eyes? Well, I had red eyes allegedly, like, which sounds to me, Joe, in some ways that people describe the Bigfoot encounter, too.

Here's what gets me about this. And then when I start to noodle on this a little bit, it reminds me a bit of the Bigfoot phenomenon or even like some of what we see with like a dog man or even some of the skin walker experience. is that there's something humanoid to it, right? Or cryptid in that sense. So when I think about it, I tend to kind of think of it in that sense. Like it's some sort of hybridized thing.

What's also weird, though, and I was going to ask you this, is my next question, is that the West Virginia incidents have become so famous and really have just put that town on the map. I mean, they have a whole Mothman festival now. There's this mythology that goes along with Mothman that says that the sidings of him or it, if we know, we're not going to gender

this thing, I guess. The sightings of this mothman is, it precedes some sort of calamity or disaster, which it's like an omen almost. I don't want to mix too much with like there's,

you know, of course there's a 75 book, the Mothman prophecies, which became the movie and all that stuff. But before that, there was still this sort of ominous omen to a siding.

So I was going to say, I wanted to ask you, these ones here, you know, down in your neck of the woods in Texas. Are there, did these things happen before, bad stuff happened according to the

sightings because when we talk about bad stuff and I mean this is going to be on a macro level right like some of the ones that people claim are big events right like people claim they saw Mothman before 9-11 they claim they saw Mothman before the bridge collapse you know the I-35WS bridge

collapse these things happen and supposedly then it precedes something you know calamitous but is that part of the the lore there or people just you know kind of running them over with their with their drugs. You know, of these several

instances around here, I don't know of anything catastrophic that happened that I don't think Max would say anything over there. So I don't know it and it may not be the same creature. Maybe who knows, it may be more than one type of them.

And by the way, you were talking about hybrids there. People who don't believe in the Bible or don't believe in the book of Enix, they're going to have a hard time defining a lot of things because some things are demonic, some things, according to Enoch, are hybrids between animals, humans, and birds, you know, or whatever. So is it conceivable, according to Enoch, it's possible this thing is a hybrid. So if it's part angelic, if you want to go there, then is that meaning it can hover like an angel?

Angels fly through the air, right? So could it be that? Well, a lot of people that don't believe in the Bible, they're going to have a hard time. They're going to know how that couldn't be. Well, you know, it's worth considering. and is there some sort of I don't know I know about the bridge collapsing I didn't know about 9-11 and nothing to have around here

that I know of at that time or didn't relate it to it so I don't know the exact month and year when these things happened except the one about two years ago three years ago by now I'll be at Thanksgiving you said the ones in 1980

1981 I can tell that story in the time if you'd like yeah you'll have Max tell that story on Sunday in Texas yeah let's hear it Okay, here he is. Max McNabb. Max McNabb.

Welcome to blurry creatures. Hey, guys. Thanks for having me on. I'm Matt McNab. I'm the editor of Texas Hill Country.com, and I'm the author of historical novel called Far Blue Mountains. Good to have you. Thank you. This story is about a moth man or really more of an owl man siding that happened in 1981 around sundown, Texas.

The witness, he's a friend of my father's. He's known my dad for 20 years. I don't want to reveal his real name. so let's call him Jay, but I personally interviewed him, and I can tell you that he's an honest man. I don't know exactly what he saw, but he wasn't lying. So anyway, it was 1981, and he was a high school freshman. One night he went out hunting jackrabbits with five of his friends,

and they were driving southwest of Sundown, Texas, around the oral lease known as the Central Mallet unit. Then their pickup died. They didn't really know why, but a few minutes later, it just started up by itself again. So they were kind of young, and they didn't really think much about it, so they just kept driving.

They went out into a field, and they started hunting rabbits. They walked over this hill, and they looked down on a fence line about 60 yards away, and they saw something white setting on the fence, perched on it. It looked like an owl only five times as large as any owls should have been. And Jay said they shone spotlights on it, and it turned its head and looked directly at them. It had red eyes, a red chest, and a beach, and it spread its huge wings 12 feet across and started flying toward them.

So they freak out and they start running back toward the pickup, and they pile in and they speed off. Well, they had rifles. They were out hunting jackrabbits, so they tried to shoot at the creature, whatever it was. And Jay saw one of his friends raise his rifle and pulled the trigger, but nothing happened. And, you know, he had the impression at the time that something had gone wrong with the rifle. It doesn't really know why, but something weird was going on with the pickup and their rifles apparently. So they're hauling down the road and the thing that's flying after them and it was clawing at their tailgate. They could hear it scratching at the tailgate of the

pickup. So they swing out onto the highway and still falling them. They're headed towards sundown and when they get right into town they swing past the sundown cop who's parked on the side of the road watching for people who were speeding. Well they they speed past him and he starts to go after him, but then he stops and turns aside, because apparently he saw this thing chasing him, too. So they make their escape, and Jay, he said he was so traumatized or so sick from this incident that he couldn't go to school for two days. It freaked him out so badly. You know, the really interesting thing, though, is that there's a creature in Apache mythology that closely resembles what Jay saw that night. The Apaches call it Owlman Giant, and I can give you a little background

on that if you'd like. Yeah, absolutely. Okay, well, you know, I know a little bit about Apache mythology because I published this historical novel, Far Blue Mountains, and it's about the last three Apaches that were living in Mexico up until the 1920s. These were the Apaches that didn't surrender with Geronimo. They stayed up in the Sierra Madre, and they kept their old ways. They actually kidnapped a rancher's son in 1926, and it caused a huge uproar along the border, and that's what my novel is about. But I had to research a lot of Apache mythology and their religion to, of, you know, portray them accurately. And one of the stories they tell is of a creature called Owl Man Giant. He's associated with the kind of Apache messianic figure known as Child of the Waters. The story starts when a spirit called Lifegiver came to an Apache girl called White Painted Woman. And this spirit told her that she was going to give birth to a boy called Child of the Waters and that she had to protect him from a monster called Alman Giant. In those days, this Alman Giant would steal the meat of any deer, the Apaches brought down.

on a hunt. So white-painted woman protected her child, and then finally one day he told her that it was time for him to go out and slay these monsters, these four mythological creatures that had been persecuting the people. So he joined the hunter called Killer of Enemies, and they went out and brought down a deer. And as soon as they did, Al-Man Giant appeared and demanded the meat. Instead of giving it to him, Child of the Waters challenged the creature to a duel. Four is the sacred number of the Apaches, and they agree that each, that Child of the Waters, Alman Giant would both shoot four arrows and an Alman Giant would shoot his first. Soon as Alamang Giant was ready to shoot his first arrow, lightning flashed, and a blue rock appeared

at the feet of Child of the Waters. The rock told him to pick it up, and he did. And then Alman fired his four huge arrows, and each one missed the boy. Then it was Child of the Waters turned. His first three arrows destroyed Alman's protective armor, and then the fourth arrow pierced his heart. And that's how Child of the Waters killed, killed the four, excuse me, killed the first of four mythological monsters that have been persecuting the people.

And, you know, the creature described in that Apache mythology sounds remarkably like what my dad's friend saw that night in 1981, near Sundown, Texas. That's wild. Yeah. That is a lot. I haven't heard all those stories. It's got some David and Goliath vibes, too, a little bit. There's some interesting sort of nephalum like threads there.

I feel like you can't, you can pull as well with the idea that, you know, we talk about the Gen 6 event. You can find phenomena like this across the planet. And then you're, you're talking about hybrids. And we're talking about, you know, Joe's telling stories about people seeing these things today. And then you have something very similar that happened there, you know, in the early 80s, which we love because we're an 80s theme show, Nate. But you have the same, you have something very similar that's happening in the 80s.

but you can go all the way back to Apache lore about this same sort of hybrid, which I think is super cool. So you know what this reminds me of there's these famous petroglyph in caves. I think there's one in Australia. I think it's called the Juan Gina the Wandagina Overhang. And they have these like they look like owls or grays, but a lot of people send those pictures. Have you guys seen those yet?

They look exactly like what you're describing. Have you seen that stuff, Max? I can't think it's, I don't think it's, I've seen those. I've seen some stuff sort of like that. It's just a round head. You think people are going to think that's a space helmet or something like that, maybe. Some people say, oh, they're just drawing owls, but other people argue that they're not owls. There's something else.

Well, you know, if you look in Egyptian sculpture, there's something in there that they depict. It looks like an owl head. And, you know, they've got all kinds of heads on different human bodies over there. But the more I looked at that, the more I said that looks like what these ladies just describe. It's clearly not a human, but apparently it's on a human form. So how far back does this thing go? I didn't know that about the Apache legend. Alien abductees often claim they see an owl right before an abduction experience. Like, you know, the night before they have an alien abduction experience, they'll see an owl outside. It seems to be like some sort of a totem

animal. Wow. Why an owl, you know? Well, aren't owls associated? with a cult mullock right yeah what's what's her name uh that's supposed to have been uh adam's other wife lily uh lily yeah lilies yeah the depictions of lilo's she's a woman but she's got wings and bird feet they still owls standing their own each side of her this goes back what that's yeah several thousand years you got bohemian growth that's what i was thinking of yeah like the bohemian grow of the giant owl statute that they do the mock sacrifice you know human sacrifice. Well, I hadn't, I had made the connection.

Have y'all had people tell them about that? No, we're connecting dots right now on the fly, Joe. This is, uh... Eventually, when we go, when they try to cancel us and we go dark, you know. Yeah, we'll sneak in like Alex Jones. Yeah. Alex Jones. Well, I mean, we talk more about the creatures, but we get a lot of material sent to us

to say, look, they were drawing aliens back in the day. They were seeing these alien creatures, but they look like a lot of people, the skeptics say, well, they look like owls. And then like you were saying, a lot of the abduction episodes, they said that these little owl creatures came to visit them.

And I wonder if that's just memories, some sort of screen memories, but they're actually seeing maybe the grays. Maybe it's all connected somehow. But yeah, the moth man is weird because it's one of the only cryptids that's mentioned that flies.

All the other cryptids don't fly. Dogman, Bigfoot, Chupacob, or all these other cryptids, they don't fly. But this mothman. Maybe the Jersey Devil is the only other thing. The Jersey devil could be, it could just be a moth man, really.

Could all be the same thing. A skinny skeletal moth man. That thing is weird. That thing is looking weird. He's not eating a lot in Jersey. Yeah. That closed that McDonald's down ever since then. Shut her down.

It's like a chipper cover that doesn't get fed. You know, he looks like a mad. Like a mangy dog, yeah. I think it's crazy, though. The red eyes and a lot of the bioluminescent, you know, is another threat. with the cryptids. We were just doing an interview with the guy this week that thinks that the ancient giants had bioluminescent eyes and they had this ability to see in the dark and Bigfoot can see

in the dark and Mothman maybe could see in the dark and there's this sort of, you know, they all have these glowing red eyes or something like there's some connection to all these things where they're weird, but they're in the, they seem like they're in a category of their own. I don't think they're just like an undiscovered species personally. I think there's something else going on. think there are some hybridization going on where they're not, they weren't supposed to be here.

That's what I think. Well, Max mentioned, I didn't remember that or if I'd even heard it. The saying is chest glowed red, sort of. There's another, there's a picture. Is that in the Lubbock paper, that drawing? They showed having red eyes and a red chest. You know, pterodactals apparently, living teradactyls. Yeah.

Apparently have a biolumidic chest. They can appear to be like a blue or green light. They can come off and on, and that sounds fantastic until you think of the farfly. And those weird fish down the bottom of the ocean have a little thing out front of the glows. You get people to eat and get fish, eat. Yeah. So that is not fantastic. That's the reality in certain animals.

So you've got a glow of chest. Sounds like E.T. Yeah, E.T. What is he? He was a hairless, hairless, mothman, lost his wings because he was bad. Instead of his chest, his finger glowed. Yeah. Yeah, right.

It's like one of those hairless chihuahuas from another planet. One of them weird cats without hair. Let's get weird here, Joe. What if the watchers took something like a firefly and put it together with some other flying creature and created this thing? All flesh was corrupted. If everything was corrupted,

then could there have been hybrid insects? Well, that's, I mean, you know, you've got to ask the question. According to Jashir, they were forcing, collaboration between different species of animals, which may have given us the Griffith or just may be one of God's creation we don't know anything about. And if Teraductal's chest can glow and you can make them with an owl or a big bird, you know, there's some birds out there as big as elephants, you know, in the past. So I don't know, it's so creepy. Most people don't even talk about it, but there's this report. There's at least the second report I've heard of or third

where these things have glowing eyes or glowing chest. So again, there's no reason people to make that stuff up, certainly back then and with no provocation. So I think it gives you credibility when there's no reason to tell a lie, you know, every reason not to. You know, most people just, most people don't do that. They just don't tell lies. They tell little lies, but they're not going to make up something that they don't need to make up. You know, they got to cover the fact they went to the bar trying to keep their wife knowing. That's one kind of lie. But to come in and tell her that they saw this creature flying around that didn't have to flap his wings. They don't do that. And So, I mean, the absence of any kind of benefit gives it credibility.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think all the smell, the sulfur smell, the weird clothes, the sort of, you know, technology breaking. I mean, these are other themes that go along with other cryptids. So you hear a lot of that stuff with Bigfoot accounters. The camera breaks or the trail cam shuts off or the camera we had didn't work and it's smelled like sulfur burning. It smelled like it came out of underground or it smelled terrible. It's weird that all these crypted encounters have similar themes. And it just makes you wonder, like, what is, where they seem to be coming from somewhere and they're related somehow. And I've

heard those stories about the pterodactals, by the way. I've heard that there's places in the world where they, they kind of hunt at night. And they come out at night. And so the locals don't go out at night because they can see them flying through the skies at night. And they make a terrible sound. I can't remember. I watched a documentary about this a long time ago, maybe five, six, seven years ago, but the locals would go inside because these things would come out and they look like streaks a light through the sky and very, and they would say that they were pterodactyls. Still hunting. Well, there's a research named Dave Wetzel and Carl Ball down to creation evidence controversial museum down there. They went to Pop on the Guinea in the last 20 years, I guess.

and they I think they saw these creatures flying in night were glowing, something glowing on them. They'd able to get a close encounter, but they found the tracks of one where it had stood in the mud with its back legs

and then the front arms have hands, have fingers on them. They could see where they were sitting there on all fours. There's this lady that back in, let's see, one of that had been, not 2004, was telling me,

that this big bird thing, she called it a bird, tried to swoop down and catch her friend's little sisters who were 12 and 7 and being a little Mexican girls down in Mexico, they probably weren't very tall, weren't very big. So that's plausible that an animal with a 10 or 12 foot wingspan could pick up a little child six, seven years old. And, you know, again, that was in the evening right in the, as the sun was going down. Same thing happened over the pop on the guinea where this Teradactyl tried to get snatch the man's five-year-old child from a boat

at, I guess, about sundown, and he was able to grab him away and then die three days later or burns from this thing either spitting on him or something else. And again, you know, you go, well, why don't have pictures of it?

Well, you know, those people over there don't have electricity and the cameras wouldn't work anyway because there's a lot of humidity and all sorts of stuff. So no, they don't have cell phones and all that's over. You probably would have some video. But Ron Moorhead, when he started trying to, when he started getting to Bigfoot up in the Sierra Madres, he said that, you know, they would, they could tell when they

turned a recorder on. Either they saw the light or reflection of the light, but they could hear it worrying or they could detect them. Electrocurrent. I don't know. But he said they would, they just, hush. So there's something to that that we don't understand, you know, but. Yeah, it's crazy. It sounds a lot like, like Joe, like when people you'll go to record or they go after Bigfoot and the, you know, and the batteries don't stop working that they've just charged in their, you know, in their cameras or the trail cams, you know, cut out and don't work or, you know, all these technological malfunctions around some of the phenomena is pretty fascinating. No, even just on like, you know, what is it,

Skinwalker Ranch that's in his third season. They, anytime they have these weird phenomena, these, you know, all the electronics fail. It's, it's just weird. I don't know how to explain it, except that, I don't know if it's frequencies or electromagnetism or perhaps some of these, some of these creatures can, you know, operate in quantums where they are able to, you know, move through dimensions. You can call it what you want, whether you want to call it, you know, the spiritual realm or another dimension, but the fact that some of these things seem to be able to pass in and out. I even think about the story about them raising the rifle and it malfunctioning. We have stories, Nate, about people trying to shoot Bigfoot and Bigfoot disappearing or them

getting shots off and then he's gone in front of their eyes. eyes. There's not a, you know, it's just like you just disappears. Yeah, Luke, and the weirdest thing is a lot of that stuff happens in Texas, for whatever reason down in Texas. You guys got a hotspot down there. I'll tell you what, and I think we'll put the word around. There's bound to be other people seeing these things that didn't talk about it or told their wife and that's the end of the story. But I plan to pursue this stuff, but man, I'm so busy right now putting the museum back together after the storm last year and trying to get it open again and putting together a, a trip over to Israel in October sometime with some wild stuff over there.

So I kind of got my hands full. I remember we were talking last time you were teasing about some stuff you were finding in Montana. Up there in those canyons in Glendive, Montana, one of my friends that I worked with up there to develop a site for the, it's called the Glendive Dinosaur and Fossil Museum. They had a pretty big deal going now. But there's stuff happens out there. There's a story of a guy that disappeared. There was a lot of criminal activity up there in the old days, horse stealing.

We went to this one place where there was like a box canyon about. We must have been 75 or 100 feet across, and they'd take all the stuff from the railroad, maybe stolen it, and built a really strong gate. So they'd run all these wild horses in there and close the gate, and they were telling this one story. This is back in the 20s and 30s, I think. This one horse, and I saw the wall, the same climb. He climbed a rock wall that was almost straight up.

He was almost like a squirrel climbing, but he managed to climb up over this cliff, which was dang near impossible and got out. So that's kind of wild horses they were dealing with, but I guess he finally got caught. They were stealing cattle, and it's the old West Ruther days of there, but there's a lot of weird stuff that goes up there,

and those guys, I mean, nobody's talking to them. You know, they're too busy trying to survive the winters in North Dakota and Montana. And when I was there, I didn't know, were to ask about Bigfoot if they had any encounters. And, you know, those little cowboys up there, they're pretty quiet. They don't tell stuff, yeah, just don't know. Yeah.

A lot of dead dinosaurs, guarantee them. Yeah, at some point we got to do a full episode on that. And your kids are going to flip out, man. So you got to get that, you got to get that Mothman statue going, get it near the museum. Yeah. You'll sell a lot of donuts, Joe. Well, we'll have to come up with Mothman candy. Mom, I got to have like a Mothman chocolate bar.

That's right. They're $20. Mom, I don't care. Russian guy made him, and they're real good. Made by Russian, you know, they're good. You could do something cool, like that guy in Texas with all the Cadillacs buried on his farm, sticking out the guy that painted the mountain, like Love Mountain or whatever he calls it, and he's got all the Bible verses on the mountain with all the paint.

You know what I'm talking about, Luke? Yeah, I know you're talking about it, yeah. Just need a bunch of moth man sticking out of the ground or something, and people will come. They will. People like to stand in front of even a bad statue of a bad carving of big foot. They like to stand in front of and get their picture taken. Well, while they're there, they might just come in and buy a cup of coffee. Exactly.

That's a good idea. I know. I love it. Well, Joe, when are you guys going to be, you said earlier, when are you back open? We're open now technically, but we'll have a grand reopening on Labor Day, which is September 5th. It'll be all the week. We'll have some people in. Max is going to be there to talk to anybody interested in writing.

And he knows a lot of weird, cool stuff. But he is a writer. He's a fabulous writer. He's an editor of the Online Hill Country News Magazine, which is no small thing at his young age, you know, to do all that stuff. He talked about anything, but he's a farm boy. You know, we grew up on the same farms out here. But, you know, that doesn't keep you from having an inquiring mind and reading.

You know, just read and think. but Max has got a, what were we talking about this other night with Plato, the platonic? Platonic ideas? Yeah. I mean, how many farm boys can you talk to Plato about? That's right. So we get together over Rawls and ate and drank coffee together every now and then and just kind of get up to speed on whatever is going on.

But no stuff you could do. Was Plato writing about Atlantis? Yeah, that's where the first stories of Atlanta's come from is what Plato. heard. Right. Yeah. And most people don't know that. And that's blurry. We love talking. Oh, yeah. Boy, you get in some stuff there. I mean, that's what, I mean, that's basically where our show goes. And we kind of, we talk about creatures, but we get into alternate history and the history that the mainstream doesn't want to talk about a lot on this show. And so it's, it's kind of interesting that, you know, in order to understand these cryptic creatures, you've got to understand history. And you got to go all the way back to Mount Herman and get into the weird. stuff that happened. And I wonder how some of these creatures survived. We hear a lot of stories, Joe.

They come through portals. People can open it up. And it seems like these cryptic creatures have some connection with energy, whether it's the energy of a tape recorder or a camera or it's like opening some kind of cosmic doorway. Or they can hover over your head, even. I don't know. It's like they can tap into some energy that we don't understand. You know, there's certain electrical equipment, you know, things that,

have electricity in them. There's nothing, you can't get shocked, but there's a vibration to them or a sensation to them that you don't like. You don't want to, you know, it's not comfortable. There's a lot we don't know. In fact, I've been looking into light lines and meridians and all that stuff.

The 33rd parallel kind of goes south of here through Lubbock, almost through Crosbyton, and it just makes you wonder, you know, is there an energy feel down there? You're touching an electrical appliance or something, You're not getting shocked, but you're getting some sort of sensation that's kind of strange. Is there something in the earth? Is there a magnetic field down there that occurs ever so often on the globe or even a flat earth,

I guess, would have to say that they believe in Rovians and Laylines. So there's a lot we don't know yet. It might explain some of this stuff. But the Nephilim thing, if you don't get into that Christians that don't want to talk about the Nephlin, want to believe that those were just the sons of Seth. You know, there's so much they're not going to be able to use no answer to a lot of these things. When you figure in that there were powerful angels that did fall and came down to married women, if you believe that, now Atlantis isn't so far-fetched.

You know, was he one of the major powerful angels up there? Did he leave? What plan did he leave? You know, and he came down here and built all this stuff allegedly, according to Plato and others. Joe Seamus, didn't Joe Severs talk about those guys? Yeah. They're a hybrid. If that's true, if angels can marry a woman, that would be a hybrid.

And that might explain all these semi-an animals that can fly, but without moving their wings, you know, does an angel have to flap his wings like a bird? You know, a lot of questions there. But anyhow, if you don't investigate it, you won't buy down anything. You got to ask the questions, Joe. That's what we're doing here. We're just asking us asking us asking us asking us to talk about technology, right? You know how you get them?

You hit him with a Buick. No technology. No electronics in that thing. Just, just steal. They just steal in American muscle. You can take down a moth man twice. That's right. Yeah, it wouldn't be a dead infant who'd be a dented moth man who really needs medical help.

She was thinking about calling the doctor. In fact, she took the doctor, the local doctor. her story was so convincing and passionate. She took the local medical doctor to show him where this happened. Now, he could see the streaks in the grass. And I guess she was looking for blood or something, but, you know, there's nothing there. But that's how convinced she was that she had hit some body.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's got to be a traumatic experience. It reminds me of when hunters don't want to shoot Bigfoot because it's too human. And they can't, you know, if you hit something with your car, feel like you probably have that guilt. Like you feel like you did something wrong. It's not like hitting deer where it's like it's unfortunate, but you know, you kind of part of life.

You hit animal, but this feels like something else. And to go back to what you were saying, Luke, I know you were just making a joke, but something I've said on the show many times is that original Bigfoot footage, it's a film camera. It's not modern technology. It's an old film camera. And then that's supposedly the best footage we have of this creature. And I just wonder if there's something there with like, you know,

old school film doesn't have that, you know. Electromagnetic. There's no electromagnetic frequency. Yeah. Something about the frequencies. Yeah. You talked about laylines and something about the frequencies. Pyramids are on the 33rd, right?

Yeah, pern. So is Roswell. So is something in Peru. What's that? Aurora, Texas. Aurora, Texas. Oh, really? I didn't know that.

I believe so. You know about the Aurora crash in Texas? No. You don't? No. There's a place north of Azel. Texas, what, 30 miles, 20 miles, not far from Fort Worth, a little town. Max knows a story part better than I do, but this, these ships have been seen, these flying

ships. They were kind of like 100 or so feet up in the air flying along, and they would descend out of ladders. Somebody would descend down a ladder and go back up. And apparently then, there were several of them seen here in Texas. there was a pattern they were seen from what, Oregon? From California all the way out to Texas back in 1897. They called it the Great Airship Sightings. Yeah, the Great Airship Sightings.

So finally over there at, is that a little town Aurora? Aurora, yeah. Okay. This thing crashes into a windmill on this doctor's ranch out just outside of town, right? and he goes out there and the things on fire, it's just strange ship, and the guy that was piloting it is laying on the ground and he's apparently dead.

So the doctor said he was not of this world. Well, they buried him there in the Aurora Cemetery, and his headstones been stolen so many times. They just put a big rock out there, a big yellow rock where he's buried. And it's a medical doctor, right? he's seen a thousand people with no clothes on. He's seen babies, kids, old people, women, men.

And he didn't think it looked like a normal human being. So was he just mistaken? Was the thing badly burned? Was it really just somebody invented a new airship that was fueled by helium, or lifted by helium and had a small propello that moved it? Is that what they said? Some kind of little engine that ran the propeller and moved it. Some kind of mysterious.

engine. It was part of something called the Sonora Aero Club, basically a secret society of early aviators. And they had some sort of mysterious engine that was powering these airships. No one's exactly sure what it was, but there's some

drawings of the engine, and it looks remarkably like the bell that the Nazis were experimenting with in Germany. Interesting. Yeah, right here in Texas. There's another story, too. that this thing was down in

Merkle, Texas, wasn't it? Sounds right. Judd Burton's mother was a girl, teenage girl. I left church one evening and said, here's two or three boys and girls and they're going along

and here comes this weird ship thing and it's dragging a hose, a hook, a rope or something. It gets stuck on the railroad tracks so it hovers there. This guy comes down the rope or down a ladder,

gets it undone, and these kids start throwing rocks setting. Gets back in the airship and goes on. Weird. Weird. Yeah. Wine for a rock set at it.

Idiots. Anyway, that was, this lady's son is one of our constituents. He's a, you know, a giant guy. We've been to Peru and stuff together. I know his mother,

his mother never would make up a lie like that. She told exactly what happened. And that's what happened. Now, what was it? Nobody knows. Like the fabric of reality is so much stranger than people really want to admit. And everything from UFOs to the Mothman to Bigfoot, it's all related. Because, I mean, we've heard stories the same thing.

But instead of this dude coming out down a ladder, it's Bigfoot coming out of these things. And the more stories you hear, the weirder it gets. Yeah, what's on you, what's any of that about? It's like flying. If these are demons, why depict themselves as a big foot that's going to get shot at? Where's the value in that if it's a spiritual thing? You know, what's the value in some Maltman standing in front of a lady that hits him with a car? What's the point of that?

Yeah, yeah. It feels like there's some sort of hybrid and they're not really sure where they are or what they're doing. And then there's other entities that sound like they know exactly what they're doing. and there's a lot of weird stuff in between, but what are you going to say? You know, why do people do things? You know, back there in the 70, early 70s, you remember the streakers, the guys that take the clothes off and run through the streets, nothing on. Oh, yeah.

You know, I was driving down through Beverly Hills one day or that area. Standing over at the crosswalk was this beautiful young girl with not a thing on but her mind. Nothing. What in the world would she be doing out in the middle of the road, walking across the street with nothing on? Some people want to exhibit themselves. They want to just do something like that. They want to whatever, nothing comes of it.

They don't do anything. You don't touch you. Nobody touches them. So are these Mothman encounters. Is that what they are? These guys are sundown. I don't know. This thing's chasing him, clawing on the back of the pickup at 90 or 100 miles an hour.

Didn't hurt them. Didn't touch them, did it? But, you know, was that it just to scare them? Saquana Parker, the great Indian chief, he took pleasure in scaring people. They thought he was going to do something he didn't. So, you know, there's that aspect. Maybe these things just throughout having fun. It's weird.

I don't know. Drink Dr. Pepper, that's the real question. Hey, hey. The don't kick him out. Not allowed in Texas. Well, it's like old Andy Warhol. You know, if you know, Art, I don't know that guy could. painting out. All they do is silk screen photographs and print them in weird colors.

Anybody can do that. So, I mean, he was in a lot of bad stuff, weird stuff, but he drank Dr. Pepper, so he could be totally bad. That's funny. That white hair is scary. I mean, it's, I mean, it just gets weird, or you know, everything from crop circles to mothman sightings. I mean, it's, there's just a lot of things that we don't know. And I don't know if that's the way that God wanted it to be, but it seems like for a lot of Christians, particularly, that's hard for them. They think the world operates and behaves exactly like they think it does.

There's just nothing strange. Everything in the movies is in the movies. But everything in the movies sounds like it got it from some real, like a real event. It's like the movies aren't actually that original at all. They're just pulling from history and stories, you know? Well, I've said that before I was in Hollywood, you know, starting in 69.

And by about 71, I began to realize there's another message in all these movies. And it wasn't the story they were trying to get you to believe. But there's something else going on there. And the average person, they want to be socially correct. And yeah, they may go to church. They may know people just, you know, would run that down. But as long as they're around their little circle, they feel comfortable. But they, by and large, want to be acceptable socially.

So unless Mothman or Bigfoot is a real socially acceptable thing, they're going to shy away from it like anything else. So you're not going to get much help from regular people on any of this stuff. They don't even want to consider it until maybe it happens to them and then they'll talk about it. But I don't know. Why do some people see Bigfoot and everybody else doesn't? You know how used to me when we had landlines, some mother would go to pick up the phone and her son would be on the other line without ringing.

You know, he picks up the phone to call his mother before they can die before seeing answer, she picks up the phone at the same time. You've heard those old stories? Oh, yeah. What is them? How could that be? How could twins separated birth have very similar experiences in totally different environments? There's something there that we don't understand and it's invisible.

And that's kind of why we started the show just to get more answers. But you get more answers, but you get more questions. So I don't know if it ever ends. But it gives people a lot more faith to believe. the weirder stuff, especially in their Bible, you know, the stories that, you know, modern-day preachers and pastors and Christians just kind of brush aside are the most important pivotal parts, like you were saying earlier in the episode, that you can understand these monumental events. You can understand things like Atlantis. You can understand things like

the Egyptian societies and crossing the Red Sea and stories that you just didn't think were actually real until you have some sort of weird experience. So that's why we do what we do. That's why we like blurry creatures is continuing on because it just gets weirder. We hear more about, you know, creatures every day. And we appreciate you coming on, Joe and Max and talking about these Mothman sightings of Texas. We got to, we just had to learn more about it. So thank you guys for telling us those stories. It's fascinating. And Joe, it only took 100 episodes for you to come back. We had you on episode 16. And here we all. are. We're past that. We're past 100, 100. We're near an 118, 19, 120. By the time this drops.

So we're happy to have you back. It was a long lap for you. A big long victory lap, but we got you back. So thanks for coming back on the show, Joe. Glad to be here. It's fun. You're doing some really interesting stuff. I'm glad Max was able to be here. Yeah, it's great to have Max as well. He's an unfound treasure yet. Yeah, Max, if you ever want to come on. Absolutely. Thanks for having me. It was a lot of fun. Yeah, we'll have to maybe do another show if you want to come on and tell some, tell some more blurry stories. We like it.

We love hearing all the ancient history and especially in America here because as we've uncovered on our show, there's a whole history in America that nobody wants to talk about, everything from the mounds to, you know, places they won't let people go to. There's just so much history here that we don't have any idea. So it's always good to learn more about it. So if you ever want to talk about that, you're welcome. I'd love to. Maybe sometime I can come back and tell you the most famous ghost story in Texas history.

I think your listeners would probably like that. That would be awesome. We're in. We're in. Yeah. Well, thanks, guys. I appreciate it. When we hang up, I will text you Max's contact, if you like.

Okay, perfect. Sounds great. Thank you, Joe. Yeah, and Joe, tell people in Texas where they can come or close by, hang out with you and see your museum and get some coffee and pastries. Well, if you know where Buddy Holly came from in Lubbock, Texas, we're about 32 miles east of Lubbock, Buddy Hollyville. We're right on the main highway.

82 is actually a main street right through Crosbeton. We're in the north side of the downtown square. We take up most of the square. It's the Mount Blanco Fossil Museum, and we're at 124, West Main Street, Crosbeton, Texas. 79322. And you go to our website www.mptlako.com and we'll be posting some things on there

as we get up to speed. So, yeah, come by. We got new displays, stuff that will blow your mind. And we haven't even talked about any of that stuff. But, yeah, y'all come by, have some coffee, have a Russian pastry, and it'll be good. That's right. And you can see his freshly new, in the works,

Mothman statue. It's coming. It's coming. And Joe, just so you know, you're internet famous, if anyone gets into the Nephilim space and they Google giants, they see a picture of you at that femur. I think it's at your shop, right? Yeah, it's in the museum.

That's one of the major displays. We get more interested in that than just about anything. People love people, big people, little people, weird people. You know, people love people, and they love the giant thing, because they know, I think a lot of them, that the something of the Bible, and sure enough, maybe it's true. That's people like that. Yeah, it's really, I guess that's why I'm famous for that.

And my font called Blip-O-Black. It's on all your computers, folks, called Bauhaus, designed in 1970. So, yeah. Yeah, I love it. All our listeners in Texas, go check out Joe's Museum. Thanks, guys, for coming on again and telling your stories. And I appreciate you doing it last minute, too. That was cool of you to do that.

So thank you, Joe. You're welcome. You're talking to you. We'll talk to you. We'll talk to you later. All right, y'all. All right, guys. Okay, good bet.

Bye-bye.