Blurry Creatures - EP: 16 Giants and Dinosaurs with Joe Taylor

Episode Date: November 16, 2020

There was a time when people knew a little about everything. Long before the iphone generation, people could used their minds to recall the information they needed. In order to carve out a living, these people needed to read a lot of books and have a lot of skills. We brought on a true renaissance man for this episode to school us on everything from fossil digs to conspiracy theories. What happens when you have a curiosity that can't be quenched? Dive in with us as we talk about Mothman, Bigfoot, Giants, Nephilim, secret societies and more. Joe Taylor is a dying breed and we were lucky to have him share his story with us.  Guest: www.mtblanco.com [e-mail] blurrycreatures.com Socials instagram.com/blurrycreatures facebook.com/blurrycreatures twitter.com/blurrycreatures Music Kyle Monroe: tinytaperoom.com Aaron Green: https://www.instagram.com/aaronkgreen/ Outro Song: TimeCop1983: timecop1983.com Episode analytics Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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You know, we've just been bringing guests on every show. It's been a long time since it's just been you and me talking. Just the two of us. You know, so far I think what we've done on this podcast is sort of giving people the intellectual keys to explore Narnia. That Narnia exists. It's out there. We're walking around. When I was thinking about this the day, I was thinking, Bigfoot is the best example we have today.

It's the one thing we can all go to that actually gives you some credibility that Narnia does exist. and, you know, that's the gateway drug that we've been talking about since day one. It is. But I think I hope our guests, our listeners have been exploring that world with us. And we didn't take too much time to prove if Narnia existed or not. We just kind of walk through the wardrobe and here we are going 100 miles an hour. I think some people need a little more time. How are you feeling, Luke?

Are you feeling like this pace is too wild? It's hot and heavy, Nathan. Yeah, I think we weren't joking around. We were talking about diving in. No, I just find it fascinating, man. You know, I'm like a big history guy for one and all the stuff with giants and Nephilim and Book of Enoch. And, you know, even to an extent, a lot of these creature things talking about the Antiluvian times

and what was life like before the great series of cataclysms. Just find it fascinating. And, you know, as you like to say, it all kind of comes full circle when we talk about, you know, Bigfoot, and we think about the big guy. And some of your favorite guests so far, what are some things, top five, few things that have stuck with you that you've found out about on this show? Because a lot of times, you know, a lot of guests just do a ton of prep, and they're already, they already know the information, and they're just kind of giving it back. But you and I are, we're on this journey with our listeners. Like, a lot of this stuff, you know, we're hearing for the first time. and I think for me, a couple things that have stuck out is the watchers being surprised at the giants

and them having a reaction like, oh my gosh, what do we create? I didn't expect that. You know, your whole life you think, oh, yeah, anything that's evil in the Bible doesn't have a conscience. And to hear that these things were like, oh, man, described that. I mean, who knows, but that's the way they were described that they had this reaction. And Doug kind of gave us that ambivalence too It's just like these creatures are Like when he said that sometimes they

You know the Greeks said you can use demons To your own ends But you got to be careful because You never know You can't trust a demon There's just some things I never thought about I never heard you know you grow up thinking like Stay you know don't touch any of this stuff

With a 10 foot pole But there is a little bit of like gray area And that's just that's been weird to me to hear Yeah I mean from Fritz getting abducted allegedly, you're having some time, some time. I mean, to Tom Suitt, just talking about all the wild stuff

that happens out there on Bigfoot Island. I mean, I don't know how, I mean, what's been standing out to me? I mean, Bigfoot butt casts, and, you know, we've got plaster copies of Bigfoot's Pyreneum. So, not stuff you thought you were going to hear come across, maybe never.

And, you know, that's from the godfather of all, Jeff Meldrum. So what I love about what we're doing is we're not, I don't feel like we're in a position where we're taking a conclusion in trying to work backwards, right? I feel more like we're just kind of doing the exploratory thing. At least that's how it feels from me. And so to get the variety of a point of views and opinions and dive into things I haven't thought about or talked about, like whether it be Brian Forrester and the skulls, you know, and the percentage of those being, you know, anatomically that way, not modified or ancient

tool marks, things you just don't think about, I think, on a day-to-day basis. I think it's just been kind of eye-popping. Yeah. I mean, I was just going to say, I think it's 15 episodes in, but I have formed an opinion about Bigfoot when I was listening back to our latest episode that I never had before. And I think I have a new idea what Bigfoot is. Lay it on the people. Give the people what they want here, Nate.

So after, you know, after hearing Judd talk about the chimera and Doug talk about the chimera, I think I didn't understand. what a chimera really was. I didn't understand that the Nephilim is half spirit father, half human mother, right? That's what a Nephilim is. But a chimera is a spirit father and an animal mother. And I think to myself, this is what people are describing Bigfoot. It's this chimera. I think they took a primate, and it has a spiritual father and a primate mother. I think that's what we've been described. That's what I think Bigfoot is. So you're basically talking about like supernatural beastiality. Well, that's what the chimera creatures are, the centaurs. It's just weird. I know, I know. I never, but people describe these

beings and some people, are these the mermaids? Are these, the, you know, the other creatures that are described? The mermaids. Yeah. Yeah. Dude, I don't know where I fall and all that. I mean, I guess, logically speaking, if we, if you can make the leap, you know, from the Nephilim, which would be just, you know, essentially a hybrid human, you could, I guess, easily, linearly make the lead to, you know, centaurs and dogman and goat man. Yeah. You know, as Judd said. But I didn't really understand the chimera.

I didn't really, I didn't know what the background was, the scientific description of those things was. And now I'm like, well, this sounds to me like what everyone's describing Bigfoot, you know, this half, half and half. Yeah. So. All right. all right that's there

I mean that's that's there that's out there now wrap it up let's go home I mean that's out there now you can't take that one back well I just think it's a I mean it's what we've been saying on the show you know every time a guest comes on we throw out our opinion too

and you think it's part spirit but you know the Tom Seawoods and the Jeff Meldrums they talk about it like it's an animal and they do you can bring both of those ideas into the chimera it's the full force

You know, I mean, it's wild. I think you said this from the beginning, that maybe, you know, these prehistoric times were much more like Middle Earth and Lord of the Rings or Narnia and much less, you know, cavemen, you know, grunt and making fire. Oh, yeah. And I think it's such like a better and more compelling and interesting and fascinating and more likely past for humanity than us emerging from the primordial ooze, you know. I don't know, man. It's just a, as fantasy becomes reality. And when fantasy becomes reality, I mean, we got a guy today coming on the show. His name's Joe Taylor. I mean, if he had a resume, he's got all these things on his resume, baby.

He knows everything about Bigfoot to Mothman. He's been on Fossil Diggs. He's got a museum. I love these guys we're bringing on the show, man. They're so colorful. They've got a lot of knowledge. They've been all over the world, and they think outside of the box. They're my type of people.

And, you know, sometimes, like, think about personality tests and I think that there's certain people in the personality tests like you know the eneagram's huge or if you're an any if you're an aneagram one and you're just like you probably hate this show because it's just it's throwing a wrench into like your whole entire system of how you disseminate information and think about science and everything right I can live in the gray space just fine and a lot of people can't I'm sure you have some people in your mind that like if you were to throw some of this information to they would just have a reaction with you Like an adverse reaction?

Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, the safe space to live is that you can wrap your hands and arms and your mind around everything, right? There's straightforward, an easy answer for the big questions. And I think actually the opposite most often is true. And I think that's what's so fascinating. I think that's why this is such a fun project and such a fun space. You know, in a time now where, you know, we're able to have our little platforms and get this

information out and allow people to interact with some of these experts that a lot of times get sort of blocked or, you know, or just excluded from the mainstream conversation. It's just a cool, what a time to be alive. Yeah, it's hard. I mean, a lot of people just don't think that this information can be swept up, swept under the rug. And as we're finding out guests after guest after guess that, yeah, the old big brother shows up, takes the bones, heads on out. You know, I'm just appreciative of you guys coming along with us. Every week, it's growing. More people are hitting us up. We're getting a lot of messages.

I like the fan messages. A lot of people are sending encouraging notes. We got a really cool dogman story yesterday. It's crazy, man. People are starting to share their experiences with us, and that's cool that you've trusted us to share your story. So we're going to try to bring some of those people on. We're trying to figure out a format and include your stories on this show. We appreciate you guys giving us a review. All that stuff just helps us continue, grow the show, get more guests on, and have more fun because I'm having fun. I was telling my friend the other day, I was like, you know, podcasting is all about doing something. You're going to talk about, you're going to talk about episode 150. I could talk about the giants and the ancient world being like Narnia,

probably forever. Now, the cool thing is some of these guests are in their 50s, 60s, and they're still going. And Luke, have you thought about that? Like... Trucking. Writing books? Yeah. I don't think this information gets old, right? Yeah, I don't think so either.

That's a big part of, you know, when you're doing a podcast because you can get 25 episodes into a subject and be like, I'm done. I'm over it. Yeah. Sounds like we could just keep going. We're going to keep going, Nate. Until the people stop listing. And then you and I just keep talking about like two old men playing cars. That's right.

Two old giants on the hillside. with our beards. Well, let's bring on Joe Taylor. He's the myth, the man, the legend. Let's jump into this one. All right. Welcome to the show Joe Taylor from the Mount Blanco Fossil Museum in Texas. Joe is an artist, explorer, anthropologist, and author.

He's written several books, Fossils Facts and Fantasies and Giants Against Evolution. And Joe, you're friends with a lot of our previous guests like Ron Moorhead and Jud Burton. You have quite the resume as far as the width and breadth of what you do. biblical doctrine in history, paleontology, geology, archaeology, the nephalum, giants, little people, bigfoot, mothman, UFOs, and on and on. You've done hundreds of fossil digs, worked on world-class specimens. You know many top evolutionists and most creationists. You've done numerous carbon-14 dating of dinosaurs,

provided dinosaur bone for soft tissue research, and made the largest molds of fossils still on the ground, such as the Waco Sudden Death Site. You worked on fossils from Siberia and Alaska in many parts of the world and worked on man-made objects in rock that are supposed to predate dinosaurs. You've dealt with the dino bird theory, treated on the gap theory, and are dinosaurs a product of the fallen angels or Satan? You're also a professional artist.

I thought this is the most interesting part of your bio, Joe. Since 1966, you've been an artist, and some of your art is probably on our listener's computer in the font section under the name Bauhaus Blipo Blas. or pump. That's one of the more impressive resumes. I think that I've seen out here. You are a Renaissance man in every sense of it. And we're glad to have you on the show.

Well, I was raised by Renaissance people who just did whatever they thought up. No hesitation. We grew up on a farm with cows and horses, cowboys and all this stuff. but we thought of spaceships, arts, acting, writing, guitar playing. Know that we weren't just stuck with just being farmers and ranchers. So my dad ran for Congress one time, got me into the whole world of conspiracy theories and all that. He was an avid reader, and I've read everything I get my hands on.

So if you do that, you know, you learn a lot about a lot of things. And the more you learn, the clearer the picture gets of anything you're focusing on. So I encourage people to study, you know, look around. Don't beat my office. Yeah. You got a great history and you got a lot under your belt. One thing we ask all our guests from the beginning of the show is what are your thoughts on Bigfoot? And have you had any encounters or experiences?

Well, I haven't been fortunate enough to run into one myself. I've talked to several people. I have, in fact, one of the guys that volunteers in my museum is a cowboy recovering from his injuries. and he and his brother shot one, a big sort of, he said it was sort of an off white color about, I think, 25 or years ago, and he shot up a lot of bullets and kept coming. And that's how you know you're doing kill it. Well, they don't know. They just kept going.

But he took me back out to the place where this happened. He was still recuperating and couldn't run or do anything. And we're out there near this clearing where, uh, these things came out of. And he says, now if something happens, you got to protect me. I go, yeah, right. With my bad knee here. So they didn't kill it.

Well, we don't know. It's been seen by other people, or one black that's been seen by other people in the area. Little girl was telling me here a while back that she used some sightings in the same area. It's around Maddoin, where Texas, which is just ranch country. I mean, there are nobody out there with Greek Cowboys. you know, 500 cows, but it's real remote. Yeah. And the place we went, there was a clearing, I mean, a grove with trees there are about

two of three inches across, 20 feet tall. And as we got up the edge of the clearing, you couldn't see a thing in there. You could have a Mack truck in there. But about four or five of these trees are bent over at the ground. No cow, no truck, no horse. Nobody would do that. So I've talked to other people in our area here who have had encounters with them. And like I say, you know, me, I just, whenever you've seen a UFO,

are you able to come through here? What do you think it is, though? What do you think Bigfoot, do you think it's just a full animal or do you think it has some spiritual qualities? Well, after researching it for a very long time and knowing Von Moorhead, some of his theories and others who've actually done a lot of work with them, it's too human to be an animal and it's too animal to be a human. Long time ago I said maybe this is giganticus.

I think some of the other guys, Jeff Melram, may hold that same position. I don't know, but the problem with it is guys like Ron Moorhead and I believe his daughter, both say they have seen one appear and disappear. I said, well, you sure didn't walk around a tree or something? He was sure and all. They just disappeared and disappeared. But there's other, I think Melvin even quoted somebody saying maybe they put out this sound that causes people to go to sleep for a few seconds. And they walk out of the scene.

And so when you wake up, you look where they were and they're gone. They'd like to disappear. That seems to be plausible. You know, whales make low sounds. Elephants can make low sounds that we can't hear that maybe affect us in some way. So I don't know, do they go into a portal? This whole portal thing, you know, I've been a Christian most of my life. My dad was a minister.

I've grown up around ministers of all kinds, studied jillions of books of theology and all that. To attach spiritual interpretation of something to an animal, I have to be very, very careful. I don't know. Are there portals can a physical being that you can shoot and kill? I know the guy, you killed one. How, you know, I don't know. I'm still dealing with that. you get a lot of guys talking about

for us? Yeah, I mean, that's something we went through with the quantum Bigfoot stuff, Nate, where you started talking about mathematically, there's 11 dimensions that have been proved, and they can't disprove them. You can't work the math pathways and unproved the fact there's these dimensions, right? And there's a lot of theories out there that Bigfoot is an interdimensional

being and all that means is that he's able to somehow, you know, go from the third to the fourth dimension and beyond, which I think in a lot of ways is, you know, the same things we talk about semantics, right? It's the idea that there's a spiritual realm that we don't see necessarily, but sometimes we do, that is real, or Paul says is as real as what we do see. I don't know,

you got to wonder, there's a lot of weird stuff. I think, Joe, you have a good point there that there's not just two people. There's a lot of people that say that they not only see Bigfoot disappear, but there's all kinds of weird stuff that happens around them. I know that Ron Moorhead talks about, you know, lights and beams of lights. and it's just strange, really strange phenomena that have been associated with. Now, not always. We talked to Jeff Meldrum on our show and talked about, you know, all the things in the empirical Newtonian evidence that makes sense for, but there's also all the weird stuff.

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Shop plans at mintmobile.com slash blurry. That's mintmobile.com slash blurry. Up front payment of $45 for a three-month, five-gigabyte plan required, a equivalent to $15 a month. new customer offer for first three months only, then full price, plan options available, taxes and fees extra, cement mobile for details. Our last guest talked about the chimera a lot, the spirit father and the animal mother and all the weird creatures that were supposedly created. And I'm kind of thinking lately that maybe Bigfoot's a chimera, primate mother and a spirit

father? Is that possible? I don't know if you know a lot about those creatures, but I'm kind of new to that stuff, but I'm kind of thinking that that could be the blend of the two. Well, according to, I think, Jasher, maybe Enoch as well, the fallen angels, the wicked ones, were mating with not only human women, with animals of any kind, sea creatures, birds.

You know, there were some giant birds in the fossil. You got birds that are 10 feet tall. So, yeah, I can't prove that. I mean, it's real weird to talk about. Most people will talk about it. Most Christians don't want to go there. But I've been in the fossil business now since 1978, actively since 1980, and I had a large museum here for the last 25 years. Yeah.

So I've had a lot of information that wouldn't have ordinarily had. And I know a lot about the fossil record. I know about fossil animals. And I know a lot about modern biology, modern animals, that sort of thing, to try to make some sort of correlation. Did your dad talk to you about the Giants when you were growing up? You said your father was a minister. Was that something that you learned early on in life? Not really, but we knew about David Goliath.

We believed David Goliath. We've heard all that stuff. It's just that it never came up. Because at that time, people weren't, if they were finding John's Kelloggles, they weren't being talked about very much. And really, I think they were. There were UFO incidents right out here a few miles where I grew up and yet no one ever talked about it.

mostly cowboys that I've talked to that didn't want to tell anybody about it because automatically you're some nut to watch the TV. So, Cowboys don't want to be perceived as nuts. Conservatives people don't want to be accused of getting off into the weird. You mentioned your dad talks about conspiracy theories

with you as a kid. What were those conspiracy theories? He ran for Congress in 1962 against an ensconced, yellow dog, old-time Democrat out here in our county. And as an arch-conservative Republican, Caribbean-Cributive Baptist minister, which is sort of the low-strung with the totem pole for churches, and a farmer.

But he was really open-minded, he had a brilliant mind, and just because he was born where it was didn't keep him from exploring things. So one day he came in, he has a book called Nundare-called Trees, and I believe, said, you all read this, tell me and my brothers read this. So when he said, read it, you did. So I read it. And then a nondare call it conspiracy came out. And I read all that.

And once they open a conspiracy door, if you're an open-minded person, a secret of truth and more knowledge, you'll start finding more books. You'll talk to people who tell you more things. If you're not, you'll stop it right there. And as soon as anybody brings up about a conspiracy book or theory, you just go, I, you know, blah, blah, blah,

and talk about the weather. People like that, and I don't have much to talk about. You know, I don't like football. Weather's okay for about three minutes. Right. You know, you talk about girls, you talk about four vets. For a while, you know,

but after it gets around to God and God gets into conspiracies, you know, what's really going on with Masonic logically running things. Right. Is it a research thing as Illuminati. I've been looking to that for a long, wrong time. So if you're going to read about the, sonic enemies and say, yeah, they're all bad because somebody told me he was. But I just got over the source.

Like one time I was, I saw this big Masonic Lodge down there for work, and I saw the back entrance. I just pulled out in there and parked. Here was the door. So I went in the door, the basement. No way. Keep going. And here's an elevator.

Look around here's a room with the tile black and white tile four, right? and went up to the top, well, here I am, you know, in all the offices. Wow. Look around and I asked his lady, I said, is master of lodge here? Yeah, no, I think he's out,

but his office is right down there. So I talked to somebody, I said, well, I'm looking for some information on the, so they gave me, oh, here's some stuff. That's awesome. There's some wild stuff over the Masonic Lodge. Well, it's like the Jesuits question, you know,

or the Jesuits good or bad, a lot about them. Well, just read their books. You can get their books, just read them. The Rosicrucians, the same thing. Rosicrucians. One of the things you talk about is you say dinosaurs are alive and giants are still alive. Do you talk about that a bit? I mean, that's fascinating. That's a quite the... Well, mainstream science you take for someone who's been involved with atheists, anti-Christian by their own admission, evolutionists with PhDs in the field.

Okay, so I didn't start reading much of Christian books and stuff. Those guys, you know, they have every reason to just disprove anything about the Bible. But if you go to their own meetings, read their own books, you know these people and sit down with them and spend time with their office, you'll find out that whatever has been put out in mainstream medium and told to college students to get a degree, is real old hat information. And whenever time I talk to a college student and they put out to stuff, well, I believe there could be some evolution because of lot of evidence. I just almost walk away. It's like, okay, I'm sorry. If you really still believe in Santa Claus, you're 20 years old, I guess I can't. I mean, having a museum here and being open to everything, and people send me stuff all the time.

Yeah. For instance, there was a lady came in one day, an Amazonian lady, and she married to a white guy from Tennessee. They came in and looking around, and pretty soon she said, do you have any books on dinosaurs? I said, well, I'm not ready for sale. And what do you need? Well, my dad kills something in the jungle there one day. We'd like to take a book back and have him pick out which one it was. you're thinking well this lady's really been smoking too much

yeah don't know leave or something down there she was a serious Christian lady so she told this story he said her dad was out in the jungle on the clearing he sees a pig you know a peckery water was out there

he draws down him with his bow and arrow this is maybe 20, 45, 30 years ago I don't know and he shoots the thing just as soon as he lets go with the arrow this T-Rex Allsaur like something, comes out of the trees, he grabs this thing in his mouth. So the guy takes off because they're terrified of him. You're going terrified of them.

They don't exist. Well, tell them. Right. How big was this thing? Well, he would have to have a head probably two and a half feet longer to get a pecker in his mouth. We dug up an alisaur in Colorado, and it had a head two. It was 26 inches long. He could open his mouth big enough to get around a small pig, okay?

So something maybe eight, 10 feet tall, 15, 20 feet long as they go. Wow. So a few days later, soon the other natives came into the camp and they said, man, what is the jungle? Smells so bad. This guy said, well, I shot this thing up there, so we went to see it. And there was this big black dinosaur-like creature letting every the pig in his mouth. I guess the arrow almost hit him in some, you know, right in the neck or right the ear or some fragile point. We hear these stories often where, you know, Bigfoot gets killed or one of these animals gets killed.

We haven't had a dinosaur one, though. We haven't heard a dinosaur one. No, which is amazing. I mean, I've heard stories of taradactyls coming down and harassing people in like Papua New Guinea in places like that. And, like, you know, everyone says that Loch Nist monsters is just a plesiosaurus. How come when these things happen, the bones go missing or the bodies get carried off? it seems like every time we get close to proven these things, it's just MIA. You know, out there in the jungle, something big like that dies, you just got to get away

from it because it smells so bad and they don't know what to do with those bones. They don't have a market for them. And, you know, they might even bring that head or something into camp after a couple of years if something else doesn't eat it and have it sitting around the camp. That is a good question. Why don't we have more evidence in the same? Well, now with everybody having a cell phone, except the guys in the jungle who can't charge it,

you know, there's more chances of that stuff being reported. Yeah. But it's also fake, too, because most of the stuff looks, it looks fake almost, some of these creatures. You know, Bigfoot looks like a guy in a suit naturally. It just looks like that. So I feel like the Patterson-Gimlin film is kind of a special moment because the technology wasn't good enough at the time to fake it, right?

But now we can fake it. So even if you do get footage of Bigfoot, people are going to say it's fake. And you're like, it's almost like the late 60s, 70s was the time to film something, right? You talk about the secret societies. Do you think they're behind a lot of this information suppression? I think that at the very top of the pyramid is the devil. Satan himself, the old serpent. And he has those under him, his hierarchy.

The fallen angels who are powerful, you know, the ones that are called principalities, powers of air and all that sort of thing. And they, I think, in other places, have and maybe still do control the top of nations. A nation like England or a nation like Germany or Iran. They're really powerful entities. So they all want to be worshipped. The devil wants to be worshipped as God. He's always going to be in the throne of God. And you know, you know he can read.

All he's got to do is read the scripts. He's going to be burned up in the lake of fire at the end of it. But if you've ever known massive egos, they're blinded by their own ego to, they're going off the cliff. Everybody's telling them or they're afraid to tell them. But they won't stop because they're so driven to their point they can't believe it could be something of what they want. I think that's where the devil is.

He knows. Got to know. But yeah, I think you're controlled the top down. And this whole mask thing, you know, I probably want to get into that. But everybody in his dog is wearing a mask out in the sun, riding motorcycles in your own car? Yeah. in the sun, riding motorcycles in your own car? shot here because we're already convinced them they'll die if they don't wear a mask so if they'll

die if they don't get the shot and by the way we need to verify that we'll put a little tip in there one heart again and then we can read that wherever you go yep go ahead and let them in they're okay they've had their full test yeah it sounds ridiculous but a lot of the stuff sound ridiculous 20 years ago you know in the hip as you're trying to burn down the rLTC building there at um berkeley campus in 1970 uh oh that seemed really really bad man It can't get any worse than this. Well, they got a lot worse. What they're doing now is like 10,000 times worse.

Just nine months ago, you wouldn't have believed some of this stuff. No. No, you can actually get away, burning up, major downtown stores shutting down. I think there's probably dozens of about 100 stores in New York City. Yeah. In the heart of the city, they're closed. How do you accomplish that? Well, you bring up a good point, because something I've been thinking about on our show lately is that, you know,

anything the devil does, if you believe Satan exists and he's out there and he's moving and he's shaken, he doesn't come at you with a pitchfork and horns out of his head. He comes at you very subtly. Things are very sly. It's almost like, you know, I heard one guest say that antichrist doesn't mean opposite of Christ. It means Christ replacement. It'll look and smell and taste like the real thing, but it won't be. It'll just be slightly twisted. And it feels like with this whole mask thing, I've seen people on both sides freaking out. But, you know, the devil's going to come in and give you something to say, this is for your own good, right?

This is something you need. This is going to help you. It's not going to help you. It's not going to be obvious, right? Yep. Well, we talked about the dinosaurs. What about the giants? He said the giants are still alive today.

Talk a bit about that. Well, you've seen Marzuli's thing, that interview with the giant over there in Gantahar. I've seen it. Yeah, okay. That seems to be pretty plausible. If it's fake, it's a really good fake, but it seems to be plausible. There's a story in my book that I wrote, Chinese's Evolution. Some guy in India over in some place, and he's down on the river or some creek or something, and I don't know what he's doing down there. But he notices there's this giant man about 12 or 14 feet tall over across the creek. And he stands up, the guy takes off. He's terrified. Wow.

Well, that's right now. You know, in World War II, the Koreans brought in some of their soldiers, and some of these guys are like eight feet tall. You know, where'd they go? Yeah. Where are they from? Where do they go? You got to be still around.

Yeah. The giant thing that's another enigma is like, where's the big foot body? Where is a really good video? Where are the giant skeletons? There's been thousands of them dug up. And, yeah, I've got records in my book and other guys that recorded a bunch of them. The closest I've gotten to that is this old cowboy. They called me up and want to tell me a story, so I go down to a ranch near Post Texas,

it's 20 years ago, and got my recorder, and he told me this story. Back when he was 1915, he found these giant bones. Went to Texas Tech over here, got a professor to come out, and they dug up this skeleton 12 feet tall. Wow. There was some stuff that happened to him while he was there. It was really creepy stuff, you know. And so where's the bones?

Well, the museum were in Lubbock, Texas for a while. But about 1960, someone vandalized a case, and they don't know what happened to the bombs. And they don't know what happened to the bones. It's a familiar end to the story. Yeah. It really is. Yeah. But, you know, in 1960, in the state of Texas, nobody, I cannot make a one human being

that would vandalize a case in a museum. and steal stuff. I just, I can't visualize it. But if you're not a normal texture, if you're not a normal person of that way, then maybe so. Right. Because there are people back then, the Luminati's been worked a long time

and there's always a secret underground that's going on. You don't even know what's happening. But they're affecting our lives all the time. We don't know it. Yeah, we've heard a lot about the giants and the giant bones on our show already. We have some guests.

We brought on Fritz Zimmerman. he thinks anything over 10 foot is crazy. And then we talked to Michael Tellinger, and he was saying that the 15-footers are the small guys. Where are you at in terms of how big do you think these things got? Because Michael made him sound like larger than life. He says he's got, you know, he's got these fossil remains of shoulder blades that are as big as car doors,

and he thinks they were way up there. And then you have other guys that are, you know, this Venn diagram of those who believe in the giants, it seems pretty scattered on the opinion of how, big they were, how old, how long ago they were here. What are your thoughts on all that? Well, if you go with the, the cattle there and came into the Israelites, they came in, God said, y'all go take the land. You come in here, they sent the spies in to spy out the land, and 10 of them come back and said, we can't take it. Those guys are tall as cedar tree.

We were like grasshoppers in their sight. Well, that was an evil report. People would go, I suppose it was faith. They didn't say it's faith. It was an evil report because he lacked faith. Joshua and Caleb said, no, we can take them. God's on our side. He wouldn't tell us to go in there if we couldn't take them. So they didn't.

And they suffered for it. But a cedar tree, really at least 20 feet, 40 feet maybe. You know, if God inspired the Bible, if you believe that, why would you make up something that's just totally, you know, goofy? Then you've got in my book, I'll talk about a tibia. It was supposedly 100 feet long somewhere over in the old world. It was a bridge across a creek or something. You know, well, that's just ridiculous.

Well, maybe not. If some of those men before the flood were 450 feet tall, so we're told, that's, you know, we can't prove it. But here's this tibia that would fit a man 400 or so feet tall, okay? So he was buried in the flood. He was drowning in the flood. But he lays there, he's got 20 or 30 or 40, 50 feet of muscle and fat around that tibia. So he lays there, how many years would it take for that tibia to deteriorate? It gets down to the bone maybe in a few hundred years or so by animals and insects working on it.

So over the time people come along and start using that thing as a bridge, it's still in good shape because it's got so much fat in it and it's so big. So even if the outside it starts to deteriorate like bone does, you've got a lot of bones. bone there to go. So it's because of, I've worked a lot of decaying bones from different animals. I sort of know how they go. So I don't doubt that. Just can't prove it. Well, that's the extent. So it's the extreme. Just to make sure I heard you right, you're saying there's a bridge that is supposedly an old, an old bone of a giant tibia. Right. Lower leg bone of a. So that's kind of what Michael tells you. Challenger was telling us that, you know, and there's some of these accounts online where they have, like,

they show you, like, faces of giants and mountains. And some people have these. Yeah, that's a whole of the bunch of guys there. They're nice guys, but you can go to any hill, any, any, any rock out here, anywhere. Yeah. Take a photograph at a three o'clock in the afternoon. It looked like a man or a dog. Yeah.

Come back at five and it looks like a big of a rock. Yeah, I'm just, I'm just curious because it gets kind of out there. I think that's where, like, you know, you poise you poise. in the well a little bit. Because a lot of fake stuff circulates. Like I saw on your website, you're like, these are fake, don't share these photos. Are there people intentionally faking stuff

to try to discredit this whole belief in giants, you think? Well, Cornell University, I don't know, five years ago, we're showing people how to do Photoshop, right? So, okay, let's take the skeleton as Indian, and we got a photograph of a mastodon dig here. Let's take the mastodone bone out, put the hemispleton in to look at, they looked as big as 20 feet tall and make it look really realistic.

Well, they fooled a lot of people. There was this one, and I said, you know, look at the shadows of the man, the same man on both sides of the skeleton. And his shadows are slightly wrong. It's really great stuff, though. But then they published some photograph of the Macedon, the dig. It's like, okay, so it's all fake. Well, there's a bunch of that.

There's these four that they send out all the time saying, look is what's been found in Greece, or sometimes they're found in some other country. And I tell everybody, yeah, I believe in the Giants, but these are all fakes. They're probably Cornell University. And where they do that old purpose or not, I haven't found that to be the truth. But they could, certainly could make Christians look bad. But I know fakes out there pretty soon nobody will believe the real thing. So it would be a strategy of the enemy for sure.

But one of the most credible ones that I've been associated with, not associated. city but I know about is over in Seymour, Texas, about three hours east of here, a little ranch town. And there was a oil man, prospecting for oil out there, I think in the 20s or 30s, he found a skeleton of a giant man, which he apparently dug most of it up, brought it in, showed it to some doctors. Oh, yeah, it's a man. He was 18 feet tall. So having dug in a little bit in that rock there, the red rock contains Hermion dinosaurs, you know, the sailback lizards. and all that stuff. That stuff's real hard.

He didn't dig it out of that. If he had dug it out of that, and maybe he did, I don't know, but if he dug it out of that, it would be a pre-flood man, be somebody who lived at the time of the Great Flood 1,500 years ago, or whatever you want to place that,

but he wouldn't be recent. But if he was able to dig it up, it's probably in sand. And the sand in Texas is full of mammoth bones, giant horses, Macedon, sloth, all kinds of stuff. So it's probably someone that lived after the flood in the last 3,000 years or so who was upwards of 18 feet tall. And did he drown in the flood, get buried in the mud?

I don't know. That's something that's interesting. So, I mean, I can understand how the flood would bury these things. But how do these things after the flood, because most of the time you watch these Bigfoot videos and they're trying to show that like, because they're all trying to prove Bigfoot exists because everyone goes, where's the bones? And they show you these time lapse videos. and like a deer carcass or something else, they're gone in days. The whole thing's gone.

Yeah. So how are these giants after the flood so well preserved? Well, apparently they loved each other. They consider each other be gods. You know, if their fathers were angels, that's true. Then like Gilgamesh says, he was part divine. Apparently he claims to have been fathered by a fallen angel or by a powerful nephilum or something.

But he claimed be divine. Maybe that's where we get the idea. the royalty of Europe and other places, you know, they have the theory of divine right of kings. Maybe that's not just we're kings, so therefore we're going to be divine. Maybe that's what they were to believe. Maybe they are part in that room or something so they can legitimately claim to be part little G. G. Gods, right? There was a guy called me up a few years ago.

He was talking. I was writing down everything as fast as I could. And he said he was down in Mexico and some other guys. and they got into the drug cartel area without being noticed. They got in there and said they found three giant cities. And at least one of them looked like it had been lived in recent. And so they went into, I don't know, building a cave or something.

And here's a coffee made out of green granite. In green granite, I don't know if that's, maybe that's Mexican. I'm not sure. But he said it was 12 feet long and it was polished at like water, not like smooth like a corvette but like water so to to cut the stone to start with is something to carve out the insides is something more men to polish it so it's shiny like like water yeah you got to really think a lot of that or they got all of them had to think a lot of him but a lot of these signs are buried you know they're also buried on their backs face up which a lot of indians out here you know they're buried bundled up and And with their sitting on their bottom with their head up in a small hole, because it's hard to dig out here in Texas and wartime. We buried people, you know, lengthened out.

Yeah. The Giants, all the ones I've worked at, most of them were legitimate ones, could have been laid out. Well, we had one guest say that they were actual, like, ways to channel the dead. They would bury them in these mounds, and then they would cremate them and put layers of their bones, and then they could speak to their dead ancestors. down in Shiole or whatever you want to call it.

It was like a portal to talk to the dead. And maybe that's why your buddy had some paranormal experiences around that you were talking about, right? You know, I don't know. Something nearly knocked him down and there wasn't nobody around. Wow. There were rattlesnakes involved and collapsed tunnels and filled in tunnels and stuff. Whoa. His horse freaked out and he said that basically decided to leave.

I can't tell you anymore. I'll have to kill myself. I want to go there. I want to see this serpentine green granite coffin. Yeah, I do too, but you know, the dirt cartel, I was offered to come down and dig up a mammoth, beautiful mammoth down in white dirt in Mexico.

And he said, we'll take in you, you can have this saber to cat too. I go, it seemed like legitimate guys, but it's like, okay, I'm an American. Once he keeps me, get kidnapped, they go, you know, for a thousand bucks you can have him back. Right. most of this stuff, again, you get back into, is there a conspiracy? Because why is it always the same story? The last, I think there were three news stories. And the last one said, we're hoping the Smithsonian will become involved to look at it. Well, that's the black hole of paleontology right there. You'll never see it yet. So why would they do that? Well, you know, I don't know about Mr. Smithson. They started the Smithsonian. But the people that run that, the American Museum, the Peabody, the Peabody, their Carnegie,

They use them in natural history in Denver and LA. All those guys are, for the most part, atheists are churchy, you know, little believers. But they have an agenda to suppress the Bible. So we got all these giant skeletons. They put a giant skeleton on display, and I know they have hundreds of them, about thousands. They put one nine-footer on display. It said, gee, this is just like Goliath. They would never stop the lines of people come to see it.

They make millions on it. So why don't they do it? Because their agenda is not to make money. It's to keep people from believing the truth of the Bible. It's more important than money, and money's important to it. That's what I found throughout is, you know, the Bible says the love of money is the root of all evil. Man, that's true. I don't care if you're a PhD with a bad hairdo.

You can love money as much as any old thief out there or something redneck, you know, in Saxon. The ruin is just the same. Well, Joe, we've been talking about a lot of fossils here. We're talking from the leg bone bridge, and you've done a ton of work on fossils. I would love to hear a bit about that, about the Waco Sudden Death Site, some of the things you've found in Siberia and Alaska. And interestingly, the things that you've found, these man-made objects in the rock strata that predate dinosaurs, and your thoughts on that and how that really turns history on its head. Well, the Waco Southern Death Manmicide was made into a nice report by Mr. Obama, about that. back in 2015, I think.

He didn't invite me, but, you know, I was internally involved in it. I had the biggest mold ever made me any animals set on the ground and research as much as anybody and myself and Calvin Smith who was a director of all the thing. But, you know, having,

I lived on those bones for two solid months, crawling around on my knees and stomach for two months while I molded this, this skeleton and this juvenile on its tusks for 30, nearly 40 feet long. The molds were 10 feet wide, three feet deep and 39 feet long. That's already big latex rubber mold in the dirt in a wet environment.

Is this the massadam we're talking about? Mammoth. Mammoth. Okay. Yeah. This is the herd bull. And at last count, I think there were 21 mammoths there. About a dozen females and their parent babies.

So having worked on it for two months and been associated with it for several years, I read all the reports and, you know, all the principal people working on it, It occurred to me that if they would take into account the Brazzis River, I believe runs right south of there. The Brazzles River consists of it's a limestone trough. It was a huge limestone shelf down there, which I would say was formed during Noah's Flood, 4,0005,000 years ago. The earth cracked, and the north half of that crack sank down 100 feet, which is, we wouldn't know what to do. If that happened today, that would ruin all of Texas. Every house would be, you know, collapse.

sank down 100 feet and the high water table of Waco, if you have an earthquake like that, you're going to liquefy in the ground. And all over Waco, I know where they're diggers who found tons of mammoth, you know, I mean, hundreds of mammoths out there. If you liquidify the ground due to a massive earthquake, let's say there's a herd bull, I mean a herd of animals that are resting in the middle of the night, 3 o'clock in the morning, just stand around the safe-to-the-cattle here isn't doing anything. There's a big old camel standing around, and a bunch of horses nearby. All of a sudden, boom, this thing happens.

Well, that much trauma liquefies the ground so the water starts coming up. The babies start to, you know, drown. They're in the liquid mud. They can't swim. The mama pick them up with their tusks. Eventually, the bull scoops up one of those juveniles to hold him, gets his leg trapped under his chest.

He drowns with a baby on his tusk, And mud just slopes over all of them going south towards this crack. Okay. And who knows how long it shook or how many other subsequent earthquakes caused the mud, the ship and just come over these things. They're probably covered in maybe eight or ten feet of boscis clay, sort of sandy clay, until about 30 years ago, 20 years ago, for five years ago somewhere in there.

These guys found these boats coming out of the ground because the watershed had cut little draws down to expose all these bones. Baylor got involved, dug a bunch of them up, and brought me in to mow the bull in the dirt. So I started putting two to the other, and there was a, the bull's skull had been moved up and back onto his shoulders, four feet back on his shoulders.

It's a big mammoth skull, a huge thing, with nine-foot tusks. With this female, this little baby on his tusks. Another female over here, her skull, had lifted up and turned upside down. The camel's skull floated around quite a way from them. Another baby mammoth skull floated around. So how in the heck of this happen? It's not a kill site. It's not a scavenging site. How could that happen? Well, if you take an incineration, do you have a big earthquake now? You know, a few days later, maybe a week later, you have another one.

So the ground liquefries down. These animals have been laying there for maybe a week or more. Their skulls are huge. They're all these like a honeycomb in there. Well, they start filled with decaying gases. So as the liquefaction causes the mud to turn to water again, these skulls float up and then turn over or move it down and then settle that back down and stop shaping. You can't explain it any other way. In fact, the camel's backbones been moved full feet from where it ought to be.

If you know something about animal skins, camel hide, it's pretty tough, elephant hide is tough. So even after a couple of weeks, you've got that's a case. and you've got this or most of the bones still have some integument that hold them together but but you've got body sack travel these animals now are covered in mud they're falling apart on the inside so if you move them and either you're going to have body sack travel the bones are still in the body sack but they end up somewhere where not supposed to be to me that explains it so I think okay what could it cause this this earthquake and when was it where there are no man facts

associated with it. There's no pollen there. There are no trees, although there must have been a huge forest when this thing happened. So I went in to talk to the president of Baylor, the Baptist College, right? And he asked me about the mammocite. I said, well, I explained to him, this is going to make a lot of people crazy. I said, I think this happened during the crucifixion of Christ. He looks at me like, oh, I don't understand Spanish. This guy said, you know, here's why. I explained this whole scenario to him that it said when Jesus was crucified, the rocks rim, the rocks tore, the rocks crack. You go all over the world, you're going to find the rocks or crack. Well, limestone's a big rock, and here's this giant crack going through it, and here these mammals are with nobody around.

So I thought that's a pretty good explanation, but Baylor didn't think it was. And he was in, but it has one of my casts there doesn't think is a good explanation. Luke, I've got friends who go to Christian conferences about evolution, where that bunch of Christians get in the room and they're like trying to embrace this idea of evolution. And it's wild. My head spins when you look at this from a scientific perspective, you know, these are the first people to yell pseudoscience at you and anti-science at you. There's no way that there was a worldwide flood. How can there be such a chasm between these two thoughts, where you have so much. people on one side saying creationists are anti-science and pseudoscience. And then you have a lot of creationists like you who are digging into this stuff and looking at it and you're not tied to any institutional organization. So you can just speak whatever you think is the most plausible hypothesis. Or some of these guys, you know, their credibility is tied to their job, right? But I just can't, I can't understand. It's true. I got so many friends who think that

creationists are anti-science. What do you say to that? How do you... Well, really, I hate to say this, but a lot of people are just ignorant. For instance, I'm always amazed at millennials or even people over there have never heard of Elvis, Presley, and the Beatles, the most successful pop stars ever.

Y'all never heard of them? Well, I don't know. Like, how can you not know? Yeah, yeah. You know, do you know where Germany is? Like, is that like near Los Angeles? Oh, yeah, it's right next door. Yeah.

I mean, seriously, I've just appalled at people's ignorance. I've had people come out in a museum and they want to make a movie on Giants for a Christian movie. And I go, well, do you know about ICR, the most important creation of organization world? No. You ever heard of Ken Ham? No.

It's like, okay, so you want to play guitar and make a record and you don't even know who Elvis is or the Beatles. You're really into music, right? It's like, okay. Youth can explain a few things, but dad go, we weren't that ignorant. When I was a kid, we weren't that eager. We knew a lot of stuff. We had a worldview.

We knew several other people's worldviews, other religions. And I don't have you to be so ignorant today, but what I've found is a lot of evolutions to get their jobs at universities, they won't that job. For one, it's going to make Mama happy. And dads can tell you better get a job with that money I spent. I spent $80,000. You're going to get a job doing that. So don't mess up on the test.

Yeah, but dad, they're asking me how old the earth is. I don't believe they're at this 4.6 billion years old, you ever take a week or two. Son, you just put down what they want because you know it isn't true. You just put down what they want. Okay, so he gets a job. Now he's got to perpetuate the lie. The best way to do that is to have your conscience and say,

well, anybody that opposes the academic view is just, just a narrow-minded Bible-thumping, you know, Jesus free. So it's an excuse. But then a lot of them in the scientific world, you know, if people just knew these guys, they know they don't believe all that stuff. I've had them tell me, Joe, I don't believe this millions of year of stuff, but you've got to protect your job. Okay, so would that be the love of money as the root of all evil? Because you're willing to teach a lie, just get a paycheck? You know, I don't have a respect for that. I'm an omnologist. I kind of made up a word. Maybe other people have too. But back when I got to the bone business, I meet these guys that, well, I'm just into lower Ordovician trilobites.

I'm just in the upper carnivorous bird or something. Is that it? You know, you're just, that's your little narrow focus. You're just a mammoth, toe bone guy. That's boy, you know. So I said, not me. I'm an omniologist. I'm going to go about everything. So the more you know about everything, biology, archaeology, geology, paleontology, meteorology, Scientology, you name it. It's a lot easier to understand stuff because you've got this periphery out here. It says, okay, no, it can't be this because of that. Can't be that because of this. Pretty soon you narrow down all the interpretations you get back closer to the truth with a lot of Christians, and I meet them all the time, got a couple this recently. They

want to appear to be open-minded, scientifically astute, and they don't want to be thought of as being old-fashioned, narrow-minded, Bible-thumping Christians, right? They want to appear to be intelligent. So they subscribe to, who are the most intelligent people? Oh, that'd be those guys of PhDs up there that say, there's millions years old and evolution is true. Okay, I'll jump on that bandwagon. I had to tell me all the time, you're like, well, I see this and that. Well, man, you know, you're just ignorant. And I know you think you're intelligent. You've got pretty good IQ, but you're just ignorant. I'm sorry, you just don't know the facts. And I'm not nice about it anymore. Maybe I never was, but I'm not. Hey, no, it's fine. We had some of these guys that they're just playing flat out.

They don't have, they don't tell you, Joe, we like to party just like the rock star guys. You know, we got women too. They all, they're all smarter than the rock star guys' girls. Yeah. We like to party and drink too. You know, oh, I thought you're all of minded scientists. Well, no, we just like to party, but we want people to think we are. You remind me of some things right off the bat. I was reading an article the other day about our modern problems with medicine is that every doctor is a specialist now. So if you've got a problem with your foot, you go see a foot specialist, but it could be some issue in your back that's causing your foot to be jacked up, right?

Exactly. And we've created this big huge problem where doctors only know, so they're experts in one thing or two things. And it just reminds me of growing up in the church and hearing things like narrow is the road. Do you think, is that what you're like, there's always like one guy who figures it out and everyone else is just on the broad road and there's just a couple guys on the narrow road. Like look, look at, they're the Indiana Jones. Modern Indiana Jones is out there looking at the rocks and trying to point out the truth. and you have all these people who are just, is that kind of what you're describing a little bit? You know, I think people basically want to fit in. They want to be accepted. With whatever crowd they feel comfortable with, they want to learn the paradigm.

What is it we believe in in this group, whether it's golf or football or horses or bones or, you know, party, whatever it is. What do we believe in this little group here? Where are my parameters? Well, you learn that as soon as you get away from the paradigm or whatever it is, accepts, then they, hey, hey, hey, get back in line here, man. People want to be acceptable. Most people don't want to go outside the little box, right? Even dumb people.

People don't have many brains. It can be good people. They want to be people. True. I mean, it's true. It's true, yeah. I mean, I've known some people that didn't have much brains, but they were, I go to them with a problem before I would any PhD because they have wisdom.

Because God promises, he said, it gives wisdom to all men and up. right up none. It helps to be smart because you know, you remember things better. It's wisdom that counts, not brain power. And very few people want to give up money. Anyway, if you love money, you can make a lot of money in your world. Got a little bit of talent. You know, if you're willing to look the other way, so it's the same way in science. It's like, you want to keep this job here. You're going to have to, we know those dates are bogus that we got. Yeah. But if you're If you published that, we'll have to fire you. No, I think you bring up a good point earlier about the ego involved.

Like, I like what you were saying about, you know, this is where the smart people are. I want to appear smart. And if I'm an intellectual, I'm going to be seduced to this side where I want to be smart too. And if I go against the flow, well, then maybe people will say, I'm stupid. You know what I mean? I'm not smart. I'm not an intellectual. And it seems like that is seduced.

a lot of people to that side. But when you look at the evidence, when you step back, I mean, it feels like we've, I feel like in the last couple of years I've walked into Narnia and I'm just so dumbfounded about the world is full of all this stuff that nobody ever told me about. And it's undeniable at this point, right? What are some of the, what are some of the aha moments that you had? Well, this cowboy guy took us down to the burial site where his giant was from after we got stuck in the river for two hours. And they said, oh, you'd make it. So I took off my pickup, boom, I got stuck for two hours.

Had to get a tractor to pull me out. So we go up this hill and we went up and up and up to the brush and stuff. I finally get up the top of the hill which overlooked the valley out there. And here was all these old rocks that had been covering the guy. This was a 95. They was dug up in 55. So, you know, there's been a million cows up there and stuff digging around. So if there were any bones left, they had completely disintegrated.

In fact, he must have been very deep. Because according to what this guy told me, the bones just sort of fell apart. But yeah, you know, they don't really fall apart if you know what you're doing. So the jaw bone, the skull, some of the toe bones and things like that, maybe they pick those up, maybe one leg bone. But that's as close as I've gotten to an actual grave. and the man that actually dug it up. You know, you hear stories, but man, most of them, anymore, if they're digging a basement or something,

it's being done by machine. So if they hit bones, it didn't like 100 years ago where you hit a bone, you dig it all up, because you can tell what it is. So a lot of those things were found by people digging basements and dug into an old graveyard or something. Or they dug into those mounds. Well, heck, all the mounds have been dug into and ruined

most of them. The bones are fragile. As soon as they hit the air, they fall apart is what they say. And now, because of the, what is it, the American Native Repatriation Act or something, you can't dig up a skeleton. Well, you know, really? So a giant, the Indians want to preserve the giant bones integrity. No, they hated them. You talk to any Indian, read any Indian history. They hated the red-headed giants, the big guys, right? Yeah. Because they were so bad.

So if we're digging up their grave, Indians don't care. They probably glad to have their bones dug up all the way. Yeah, we heard it from one of our guests that they wouldn't settle anywhere near those mounds. They avoided them, like the plague. And it's interesting. Do you think the Native Americans had a sense of good versus evil? They knew in their hearts that these things were evil? Yeah, I think so because everybody knows cannibalism is wrong.

Everybody knows that rape is wrong. Kidnapping is wrong. And that was one of the things they had to do with for these giants. They did all those things, according to different ones. They come in, they steal your sheep or wherever you got, you're hunting all your deer. Anytime the Indians got over into another Indian, the group's territory, they were just always conflict, right? So the giant guys come in and start doing this sort of stuff. Well, yeah, you're going to have a fight on your hands.

But I think the Indians, I talked to Nijibua here a few years ago, and he was saying, we know who's in those bounds out there. Some of those bad white people, you know, with the red and blonde hair, we had to kill them. Okay, he knows I'm white. So he's not talking about me. That's probably the nephew that came over here and sailing America. You know, you ever figured the amount of dirt on those mounds in Ohio and other places?

It's astronomical. And you think, oh, they did that with a little basket in these women all in a basket of 20 pounds of dirt around for what, three million times. It's, I don't know, man. It's, well, this one guy told me, he said, you know, he wanted me to come up and dig up this out. He's nine feet tall. But the university made the mistake for calling them. They came out and dug around and said, okay, here's a deal. You must not dig on this or you were going to tell.

And yes, you found a giant. He's six and a half feet tall. You know, Paul, I mean, Saul, he was head and shoulders above the other guys. So he's about seven feet tall himself, right? I don't really think he was intimidated by a man, nine and a half, ten feet tall, really. But it's like he couldn't beat that one guy, right? So the Philistines came out and sent Goliath out, who may have been the runt of the bunch. And he's out there cursing the Israelized.

Come on and send your best guy out. Well, even Saul couldn't have done bad. with Goliath. He had to go lost. And then the Israelites were all right to be their slaves. That was the deal. You know, winter takes all. I just don't think that Saul was intimidated for that. David wasn't intimidated because David had faith. He said, look at here. I got this slingshot, you know. I've swung it probably 500,000 times. I can hit that guy in the corner pocket right here with the eight ball. So he sized him up, hit him right between the eyes. I think you get that little bone right here. you hit that bone right there at the right spot and that guy's going to go to his knees.

And how David knew that, I don't know. When people come into your museum, have you ever had people just look at you dumbfounded and completely change their worldview and just walk out a changed man? I think so, yeah. Is that why you do what you do? Yeah. A lot of teachers come in with their school kids and they tell me, man, we're so glad you got this because they need to know the other side of the story.

Now they know they've got some physical evidence. they can tell their kids. Yes, the Bible is true. Well, this evolution stuff. Even the evolutionists complain to say, the school books are out of date. They're up to date. Well, yeah, you're right about that name.

They're way out of date. So the teachers are out there. They're just teaching what they're watching the book. They know in the heart it's not right, but they don't have any ammunition. So we give them ammunition. There was two ladies scientists. I'd say probably in their late 50s,

he came in a museum one day. And they were talking to my friend Stan Lutz, who was a pretty knowledgeable guy, big guy, and he was telling him about the burning tree mastodon that we have a cast of that I were restored and lived with and had living bacteria in its intestines. Wow. Okay, living bacteria, a several variety,

plus the stomach contents, and who knows what was there if they didn't know how to dig it up properly. So these ladies were looking, talking to Stan, and they got real serious, and just stood there and looked at him, he thought like there's like half a minute, they stared at him,

and they had talked with each other little, bit, came back, and he says, do you think the Bible could be true? He said, yes, ma'am. He says, we are scientists. We know these bacteria cannot last more than 300 years. There's no way this elevator is 10,000, 10,000 and a half thousand years old. That's from the horse's mouth. We've done a lot of DNA, self-tissue, parm 14, all this stuff. If people just knew, they wouldn't believe that stuff anymore. Yeah, I mean, they're afraid. They're afraid of being called anti-science and pseudoscience, and they're afraid. I mean, I have friends who think that the church is dying because they're not embracing evolution in science. That's exactly the opposite. Exactly the opposite. They're not

giving them information. Most of these preachers have come out of one of the major universities. They all teach evolution, okay? It's like, why do you teach evolution? Why do you teach the Bible? If there's no such thing as Adam and Adam's sin, which passed on to all humanity except Jesus, if that's not true, why do you go to church? Why don't you talk about Jesus save if there's nothing to it? There's nothing to save. If there's no such thing is sin, well, then what are we talking about? What's the purpose?

It's a social love. So if you tell people that that evolution is true, there's no way Genesis's first chapter to be true. It's too plain. It's not like poetic language. It's just a story that's the truth. Well, how could God create things in six days? Well, how could he create the world in six 50 years? You know, do you think he did it in six 50 years?

Create all these vegans of universes and our galaxies and all that, plus man and all the animals? You know, you still have a hard time believing it unless he's all powerful. So what I just accepted he did it all in six days. Well, now you look like an old-fashioned nut. See, I don't care. Yeah. You can't care.

I mean, what about all these other creatures, though? How do they fit into this story? Like the Mothman and we talked a little bit about Bigfoot and all these other weird UFO stuff. I mean, there's all this other stuff that kind of feels like it's outside of both camps. You know, the church people won't talk about it. You know, the academia won't talk about it. What's going on there? What do you think about these cryptic creatures that people are seeing?

A lot of people are lazy and they want so badly to fit in with their little clique that they don't dare come up and say, hey, I saw a mothman. Oh, yeah, me too, man. Yeah, what you're red with the green eyes? Well, then they shut up and never tell about it again. They've learned their lesson. Don't talk about it. So they tell me, and I've talked to four people now who've seen these things.

One lady has hit two of them twice with our car, knocked it over in the ditch. A moth man? Yeah. Went over and the first time she hit it doing, I don't know, 40, 50 miles an hour, and knocked, get a defender, bumped her head, knocked it over the ditch.

He slipped through the grass. This trucker gets out and says, Lady, get away from that. That thing isn't human. Get out of here. She's a gutsy. She goes over and rubs his, and he hits his shoulder.

He says, sir, are you all right? He stands up and he's got this awful smell. And she didn't describe his face, but it's something weird. And he ruffles his wings and just flies in a circle, flies around,

and flies that way. Flys that way. Dude. Yep. Yeah, that's the, fourth person I've had to tell me of their own encounter with it right here in Crosbeton. I think we're the Mothbank experienced capital world. What do you think it is?

Like, what is that? How does that fit into the Bible? You know, maybe it's a moth. Could it be a giant insect? How many times can you hit a fly and they fly away, you know? Mine is a pretty tough. Yeah. So, you know, could it be an angel?

Could it be a literal angel who just happens to smell bad and looks terrible and, but, you You know. Wasn't sulfur, isn't sulfur smell associated with? Satan? Yeah. Yeah. That's why when you go into some lawyers offices, it smells like burned hair and sulfur. Because they've been down to get the marching orders at morning.

That's right. I love it. Yeah, we haven't talked about Mothman much on our show lately. I was listening. You know, it's described as like a giant man with wings and like, Big, big bug eyes, red bug eyes. There's lots of accounts of mothman appearing before a natural disaster. Where, like, you know, some people will see this mothman creature and something catastrophic will happen.

Yeah, I'm aware of some of those stories. Nothing like that's happened here. The way they described this, and he's about six feet tall, he's not a giant. Yeah. There was another one in a little town over here south of Wobber, Texas. And that one came after these guys. They were out hunting. and it came after them they jumped in a quick up and took off drove as fast as they could

this was like in 71 or something 3773 they're probably doing 80 or 90 miles an hour this thing was keeping up with them clawing at the back tailgate they were screaming like little girls terrified so a cop gets in behind them right because they're speeding they turn off the little tail the cop goes in chasing this thing i haven't talked to the cop but i've talked to the guys that notice one of these guys. And anything can fly 80 miles an hour without flapping its wings a million times minute. I don't know. That's wild.

How it could just levitate in the air and then fly away. It gets in this whole portal for a paranormal thing and all that. I don't know. Is it a demon? Is it a demon manifestation? Well, that's maybe. But if you did it a car. Yeah.

I don't know. Can you hit a demon and dick your car? Well, that's the weird thing we've been talking about on a show is one of our guests, Doug Van Dore brought up the UFO phenomenon, that it seems to materialize. And the thing about Bigfoot is it's in the material world, right? But it has this paranormal abilities. A lot of people can't make sense of the material side of these things. What is your take on the material flesh of these spirit creatures?

Well, you know, the Divaniac of Godera was possessed by perhaps a thousand or more demons. They call themselves Legion because we are many, it says. That guy could break iron, you know, shackles and all that sort of stuff. He cut himself with stones and go around screaming like an animal. I don't know what he ate. Demon possession oftentimes comes with strength, sometimes a low voice, you know. Or is it just demons? But can they, they can inhabit animals apparently.

They can know. We know they can inhabit pigs, or to the Bible. and could they inhabit a dog? Had a friend who felt like his dog was demon possessed. So I don't know. I mean, I've heard stories of childhood toys, dolls, and weird, you know, inanimate objects suddenly come into life. Like Chuckie, you know, the old horror movie.

Like, I've heard so many stories of those things. The material side of the thing with the UFOs is really interesting. and we haven't really got to that. But one of my last questions for you, because we could probably talk forever, is you talk about the little people in the notes you sent over to me. And we've had three or four guests

to talk about the little people. A lot of people think that they're responsible for all these people going missing in state and local parks around the world. What do you think the little people are? And I don't know a lot about them personally. They're like trolls or they're leprechauns

or what are they? They may just be little people. you know, just little people who have developed a society that protects them from big people because we'll step on them and kill them or, you know, squeeze them. So maybe they've developed an entirely different way of living. Maybe that's it. Maybe they're just human beings because they've got a body of one as a mummy has been around a long time. This friend of mine always bought it. So there are cities that have been found, at least one city, where it would have held a piece of. people, you know, 12 inches or 14 inches tall, didn't look like a toy, looked like a ruin of something.

I asked an Indian lady one time she was on a dig with us. And it's an intelligent lady who she was associated with NASA. And I said, so have you ever heard the little people? Oh, yes. Said people think the Indians are trashed because we throw our old clothes out on the ground. So we throw them out for little people. They go, okay. So how, I mean, how little?

You're talking like a foot tall? Oh, you're Tom thumb? Yeah, okay. He was a real human being. He wasn't a dwarf. He was a regular little guy. So could he had had a child that was 12 inches? These guys, these truckers up in Colorado, I don't know how they got a hold of him, but maybe through my museum. Said, hey, we're going to talk to you. Come out to our house. I go away the heck out somewhere near Denver on the way to dig. They showed me this little hatchet they found, a little hatchet head. They had a wood. I go, okay. I mean, it looks like a little hatchet of a a guy about 12 inches tall, but I don't know, maybe they carved it. I don't know. They found it. That's crazy. That's crazy. And these are truckers. One of them looks like a bike, you know, a giant me and you, man. He didn't look like somebody ran around telling fairy tale, fairy, right? Yeah. It's like Gulliver's travels. So this other guy was just some dead neck trucker.

And they said, well, we cornered one of these things in a little box canyon in New Mexico, I guess northern New Mexico. And so they were following it, right? I guess the thing was running all hills or whatever and funny with this box canyon okay this is where he gets weird he says and he just disappeared he just went somewhere i go well maybe fell into a crack jumped into a hole behind a stick no man he just disappeared yeah so okay well maybe y'all were drinking you know what see that's where i i don't know if i i fall into the like it's little people or if it's a giant insect. It seems like there's just there's too much paranormal activity associated with all these crypted creatures. Like the

dog man and goat creatures that are in the woods and stuff. The sheep, the sheep squash, a big foot that looks like I mean, there's just some weird, creepy evil stuff. Is that a new and only a sheep squash? That's something new. I've learned something new today. Yeah. You know, the little people thing, some of these things are persistent. You've got the fairies, you know, and all the old showers book we've read, they go back a long way. Stories of fairies, you have the little people, you have the picks over in Scotland, the pick two nose out in, in western Colorado that the Indians talk about is don't go over there

picking up fairheads because the pick two nose would get you, the little people. Yeah, the Indians talking about them just like it's a real thing. But these stories persist, same way with Sasquatch, you know, the stories are consistent through a long period of time through multiple all kinds of people and with nothing to gain from it in most cases after a while it's like the predominant the preponderance of evidence you know and those eyewitnesses say we saw but no none of us have a photograph you got to give us some credibility what it means i don't know i'm leaving the door open i don't know what i don't i can't finalize on on the big foot Finding out more about him all the time.

You just found out of some really groovy stuff here a couple of weeks ago. Wild stuff. I'm with you, though. We've been talking about this a lot. You got enough people seeing the same thing. You can't discredit the eyewitness. And while there's a lot of fallacies, when we talk about, you know, court of law and people seeing the same thing and seeing it differently, you have a lot of people seeing the same thing and seeing it the same way. That is, you know, that in of itself has to lead credence to the idea that something really is going on, whether it be little people.

or Bigfoot or, you know, the moth man way down there in Texas. Well, one of the defenses that biblical scholars give for the Bible is in the four gospels. They, you know, if you analyze reports of the things, eyewitness accounts, they say, you know, they're all telling the same story, but they're different enough that they're not copying each other stories. And they tell stuff that the other one didn't tell, which doesn't contradict what the other would said. So there's a, at least in the biblical time, there's legitimacy to four different views

where you've got 30,000 views of a size watch. They're all a little bit different, but there's so many similarities that overlap all the time. It can't just be nothing. Yeah, I agree. Joe, what are your plans for the future? What do you want to do? Where's your mind at? I know you're a dreamer, an artist. We're always dreaming. What do you think of what's the next big plan for you? Well, one of the things I want to do is I want to be one more concert with my band, Radio Star, in Lubbock, Texas, and do a little recording, maybe. I also want to finish up to several books I'm writing. I had permission to go to Israel to mold some fossils over there in the ground. It took quite a bit of time, but then COVID came up so we didn't go.

I want to do that. There's two other places in Israel. I want to mold some stuff that can't talk about until I do it. and I have a Jewish contact, a Jewish military man now that says, yeah, we can, we get you in there. So that's, that's a pretty major effort. Top secret. Yeah, top of secret. Oh, man.

Yeah, we want to do in England and want to go back to Peru and improve the geology there. You friends of Brian Forrester? Yeah, I'm friends of Brian. I don't agree with a lot of his stuff, but he's done a lot of work, you know. He's how Marzuli and I got over there. That's who we went with and kind of got our fairies. But there's a lot of stuff that those guys don't see because of my different background. I look at things different.

I look at things in an artist as a historian, as a socialist, as a biologist, as a geologist, all the stuff. So they're just seeing the heads and the tombs and the big rocks. But I'm seeing a lot of other stuff. So I want to go back and prove a lot of that stuff. The other thing is a friend of mine found this sculpture up at 8,000 feet out in Montana. That is so weird. It's beautifully done. I'm not ready to publish on it yet,

but if you guys are interested, maybe we'll get into that sometime. So we're going to publish on it. I'm trying to get every artist, art historian appearance to take a look at it through a cast. Can't show the wrong thing right now, but it is so strange,

it raises many serious questions. Is it a, it's a carving, you said? It's a beautifully done carving, yeah, a hard sum. Really? Wow. It should not be at 8,000, feet in the mountains in Montana. It just should not be there.

I'm excited to hear about what that is when that book comes out. Joe, tell our listeners where they can find you, if they want to find on the internet or they want to come visit you at the museum. You go to www.moblanko.com. M-T-V-L-A-N-C-O.com. Or you can come to 124 West Main, Crosbyton, that's like being. Prazzie with a ton on it. Crosby in Texas, 79, 322. Call us on the phone. If I haven't got my hands in plaster or plastic, I'll try to answer it.

And that's 806, 675-77-77. Even a guy from A&M can remember them last. Joe, I love it. You're dying breed. There's this whole generation of guys who knew. how to do everything. I met a few in my lifetime. My friends, I met a guy, no joke, one of my buddies in college, his grandfather was a blacksmith. He runs a whole old school town.

He calls it Cowboy Church. He invites all of his cowboys up. They all ride up. They know how to do everything. And when I was there, I felt like about, I felt like the smallest man in the crowd. I thought, man, I thought I knew a few things. I don't know nothing. And that generation is just fascinating.

It's something that I feel sorry for our generation that we just don't have this knowledge. We don't know how to make anything, build anything, create anything. We're all on our phones all day long. And nobody reads. Nobody reads. Well, that's exactly why I didn't tell you that we're, I want to pass the baton to the next generation. So my friends then are going to start a school of a five billion technology. We're going to teach them everything.

from welding to dig this stuff up to how to prepare it, how to sell it, what it means, what it looks like from the inside of the bone, all the soft tissue, all the evolution ideas, all the creation ideas. But you get to work with actual bones for about nine months before doing the spool. And we're looking for passion. We're looking for hard workers and somebody with an open mind who doesn't know it all. If you know it all, we don't need you. You got it all.

Joe, thanks for letting us stand on your shoulders here, man. You are one of the giants in this space. and we'll have to bring you back when that next book comes out and talk about what's going on up in Montana that the world should know about. So appreciate your time. Thanks so much. I enjoyed it.

Appreciate you guys. Thanks, Joe. Appreciate it. All right. Good night now.