Blurry Creatures - EP: 164 I Saw The Momo Monster with Mancow Muller

Episode Date: April 12, 2023

What is it like to have an up close and personal encounter with Sasquatch? Mancow Muller joins the show to talk about his own experience with the Momo Monster of Missouri. Mancow is 30-year radio and television personality and yet not until this interview has he ever shared his personal encounter story publicly. On Blurry Creatures, he tells his story for the FIRST TIME. The vast majority of Sasquatch encounters are brief and often leave the witness with more questions than answers. As a young man, Mancow not only saw the elusive creature but spent a long time observing it. What exactly did Mancow see? Tune in now to hear his story.  Guest site: mancow.net Intro Song: Dreamkid 83 Support the show! www.blurrycreatures.com/members Socials instagram.com/blurrycreatures facebook.com/blurrycreatures twitter.com/blurrycreatures Music Kyle Monroe: tinytaperoom.com Aaron Green: https://www.instagram.com/aaronkgreen/ Outro Song: TimeCop1983: timecop1983.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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All right. Welcome back to the blurry creatures. Sometimes we talk about Sasquatch. And today? It's like that meme, Nate. Is this the Bigfoot show? Yeah. Well, no.

Exactly. I mean, we talk about Bigfoot just enough. When you get bored, we bring it back up again. What's the gateway drug? It's like you've got to go back and revisit every once in a while, right? remind yourself why you got into the space. That's right. We have a lot, you know, you meet, you meet people, you bring people on your show.

They tell their friends. And Tim's like, you got to bring Man Cow on, tell him this big put encounter. And Man Cow had a long encounter. He's a famous radio DJ from the Chicago area. Man Cow Miller. And he's, dude, he's a character. Yeah, we met out at the Birthright Conference with Tim Alberino. So we're going to interview Man Cowan talk about his Sasquatch Encounter along Sasquatch Encounter.

Some people just briefly see these things. I think I was basically was having tea with him in the woods. It feels kind of good to get back to the roots a little bit. We haven't done a real good Sasquatch episode in a while. So this would be fun. We need to go back and visit a few. We talked about this other day, Nate. I think it might not be a bad idea, and we'll tease this right now, to go back to the beginning.

Yeah. And grab a few of our very, very early on gasp and just get an update. What's going on? What's going on in those woods? Yeah, it's like return to Snowy River, but this is the Sasquatch edition. much more hairy wasn't that an 80s movie dude yeah i think my grandma had it i remember it was like a double VHS the man from snowy river that's return to snowy river was was later was it they went back it's probably a bad film everyone's going to call us out i mean i can say this is no water world that's okay

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creatures, all kinds of things. So welcome to the show, Man Cow. Yeah, you're an American radio TV personality. And we ask all of our guests at the top of the show. I'm sure we could talk about this the whole episode. Mancoe, what are your thoughts?

on Bigfoot. Well, I mean, that is going to be the whole show. Right. So just like maybe just a brief, a brief overview. What do you think it is? And then you can tell us. I think it's a, you said the word.

I think it's a creature. I think it's a creature like us or like anything else. Yeah. A bear or a monkey or a puma. There was a great article when I was a kid, one of the Bee Gees saw Bigfoot. And then at the end, and I was excited to read it. And at the end, he says, could have been a Puma. And I thought, well, it's probably a Puma.

And I would like to say some things right off to start this time with you. And that is, I was a young guy when it happened, but I lived in those woods. And I was also what we would call a monster kid. A lot of people know what that is. You guys know what that means. Now that is before your time. But these were people that read famous monsters of Filmland magazine. And I also read Starlog.

And I, yes, I had an imagination. but I also knew what makeup was and was into it. There was a movie called Fun House. It had great makeup. And I was really into the latex appliances and everything. And what I saw was not that. It wasn't a man in a suit. It wasn't a guy in a monkey suit.

It wasn't a bear. It wasn't, you know, from the movie, prophecy, a deformed bear. This was a living creature. And it was solid and it was flashed. And it was not some guy in makeup. I would and did know the difference. So let me say that right up front.

That's good. Yeah. Yeah. You're friends with Tim Alborino. And Tim, Tim called us up and said, you got to hear this encounter. Did you tell Tim your encounter or you didn't tell me the encounter? So I don't know. I don't think I have told Timothy my encounter.

I am on my way to Peru here to do some digging, which is not really my thing. But I've been inspired by Timothy. I think that book is one of the great reads of the last so many years. I'm reading a book right now about CIA and Charles Manson, which is also very good. But yeah. So there was a Raytown Missouri, which is a sprawling car lot, but it was just being built up as suburbia on the outskirts of Kansas City, Missouri. It was near a town called Nob Nostr, which is exactly like it sounds like. Just think about what that sounds like.

And it's the Bald Knobber territory. And Bald Knobbers would go into these hilly areas and the Native Americans before that. And there would be hills that they cleared and they would live up there. They, I call it Steelier Dollar City, but Silver Dollar City used to have what looked like Klansmen. They were not Klansmen. They were bald nobbers, which is a different deal. But they, you know, they would disguise themselves and they were in those woods long before I got there. But there was remnants of Native Americans, remnants of bald nobors, remnants of hermits and stuff going on.

And there was a sea circular, a sea formation of these big rocks that were probably two stories tall. And again, I would run through those woods barefoot. And we're talking 1977 or 1978. And I had my trustee, trusty Cocker Spaniel with me. Stop me any time. No, it's good. So you're 10 years old at the time, though, right? You're 10?

Probably a little older. Probably 11 or 12. But it was summertime. It was hot. It would have been just newly summer because every year we went down to fix up this, this thing that we made into a fort, this formation of rocks. And I was down there with a Hudson Bay axe, which I thought was very cool, like a mountain man and cut down these little saplings and we'd make a roof and then cover it with leaves.

And every year the snow would come and it would all cave in. And I was cleaning it up waiting for some friends. So what I wanted to say again before we really get into it is I didn't think it was anything significant. The people behind ancient aliens, one of my best friends of my lifetime, Kevin Burns did that. He did the girls next story. He got an Oscar for a Barbara Streisand movie and some other things.

He also created the biography channel. And he was one of my very dear friends. And he heard the story numerous times. They were going to do an episode on it. I'm also the guy that put him together with Shatner to do this show. I think it's called The Unexplained. It's great show. Shatner's at my wedding.

He's a friend of mine. There he is behind me. Not the 90-year-old version. No, no, but what an amazing individual. But so I'm dropping names, but I want to give you the setup. I have told this story. I have talked about it. I never talked about a radio show and I don't know why, but people have known about it.

It was going to be an episode of one of these shows and they kind of had it in their back pocket and Kevin Burns passed away. Anyway, so I and I told Timothy this. and he was very excited about your show and this show and I said you know I had an encounter and oh and a guy a guy called me and he's writing a book about Bigfoot and I hadn't thought about it and somehow through the Missouri grapevine again small town USA hit her the story I know your anxious to get the story no I want to also say that I can do the noise it makes but I can only do it once and I haven't done it very well for many years I could nail it as a kid we're gonna make you do it you know you're gonna give your best shot well no it'll be it'll be the last thing and then it'll blow up my voice I would imagine sometimes sometimes it feels like when you get that phone bill, it's like the crash site document. You can't read it. There's a bunch of numbers, random fees, vague language, stuff's blacked out. You're like, what am I actually paying for? I don't know about you, but I like keeping my money where I can see it. I like to be simple. I like to be easy. I'm going to be thrown away money on big wireless carriers. You too can say goodbye to overpaying for wireless, get a simple bill. And that's where Mintmobile comes

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I'm going to tell you the man's name who's writing a book. Why? Just so you may know him. He's a, what do you call this when you study these types of creatures? It's got a name. Cryptozoologists, yeah. So he's a, yeah, good, it's a great word, isn't it?

He's a crypto zoologist and other things. Interesting guy. His name is John Wingate. Okay. Do you know that name? No, do not. Maybe that's a future guest for you. Is he writing a book on Cryptids or Bigfoot or what's his?

He's writing a book. on Bigfoot, and I think he's also focusing on, there was some talk that John Wayne Gacy in the Missouri area and some other areas may have killed some kids. Interesting. And there was a famous cave-in. I read a book about this that he wrote, a famous cave-in and kids, again, before my time and before your time, this one, both of these. But there was a cave-in in wherever Becky Thatcher and Mark Twain was, and it was the story of the world, this cave-in and these missing kids and he has come to believe that they were murdered and he wrote a book about the serial killer.

Then he also has another, in his research, he found out that John Wayne Gasey traveled America when he worked for KFC and there may have been bought and there's similar murders throughout America, including Missouri. I know, long winded. And then he heard about through the grapevine that this local boy that did good, this man cow, which is my radio name, 330 stations on the Fox News Channel every day for seven years, highest rated segment, blah, blah, blah. This could be interesting from a big foot book.

I thought it was stupid for me to talk about. It's kind of silly for me to talk about here, I guess, but I'll go into it. And then after he talked with me and he had some crazy ideas and actually talking with you fellows before we did this tonight, I think you guys have some crazy ideas about what you think it is. Because I don't agree with a lot of what people think. And we'll go into that. I hope. That's why I want to do this. Yeah.

But where am I going to this? You were just setting it all up. So as I'm reading about Bigfoot, the encounters are brief. mine was the longest ever. But it was, it's not exciting. But it was a long encounter. So I'm tossing, any questions before I go on. Yes.

I mean, are you by yourself? You're 12. I'm by myself. I'm by myself. How far away from home? I wait for a couple of friends, 12, 13. Pretty close to home. Half mile.

Okay. Half mile. And I live there. I mean, I was there every day. Yeah. That's where I roamed. We had horses and I would leave for nine days at a time. And I think,

At eight and nine years old, I would leave as a kid. And I would have, I know people are going, get to it, get to it. But, you know, I would have the beanie weanies or Vienna sausages and granola. And I thought I was camping. And really, in retrospect, I think, my God, my parents were horrible. It's different time, though, right? I mean, think about that. It was a different era.

It was a different era. And they were not by those standards, anything out of there. It was a middle class neighborhood. And they were middle class. We were middle class. Okay. So I smell a, my dog, I have a Cocker Spanian, an overweight Cocker Spaner, I'm happy.

He's on a horse lead. We had horses. He's on a horse lead instead of a dog leash. It's a longer leash. He's around the corner of this rock. And it's essentially a cave without a roof. And I'm throwing these branches up and throwing them up from other cliffs on top of it. And we, you know, hit and miss until you have a that fatch roof.

And I smell something that it was during the energy crisis. My father kept diesel fuel. Do you know the old joke about my grandfather was a diesel fitter in World War II? He would hold up underwear outside the. the Victoria Seeger and go diesel fitter. But anyway, he, he, we had a, we had a tank of there was, this was the time of gas lines and everything else, or at least that's when it started for my father. So he kept diesel in a big tank in our backyard, probably illegal.

But I knew the smell of diesel. He had a diesel burning Mercedes Benz. So it smelled like a combination of diesel and feces. And it was, it was very, very strong, putrid. And my dog is going crazy. and I yank on the leash and I look around the corner and here it comes. And the dog freezes. The dog's not a pointer, but like a pointer dog does, freezes.

And I stand there. I don't scream. I don't do anything. I am filled with terror, which changes. And it walks by me and there is a, there's a tree and it grabs a leaf and looks at it, leaves the leaf on the tree, and then walks around the big. rock and I'm watching it very leisurely never never takes notice of me never sees me and it it is it is brown fur it is a humanoid face it is not an ape face it's not a bear face hair here hair here

people have sent me pictures this guy has sent me pictures to can you identify it this is other sightings and I haven't seen anything that really looks exactly like it but humanoid in nature and solid I I mean, it was, you know, like being around any animal in the world. It wasn't fading in and out of dimensions or any of this kind of stuff. Did it acknowledge you see your dog? Is he happy? Or is it just oblivious to everything that was going on? It did not.

It may have looked down. I seem to remember looking down like as it passed by, but I don't, not much of a, I mean, the dog was going crazy. And then when this thing appeared, it didn't, it didn't appear. I don't want to say that. But as it walked, it was walking up. As it walked up to our little encampment there. No, no, no real reaction.

How far is this from you? 10 yards, 20 yards? Oh, no, no, brother, brother, right, right as close as you are to me with this camera. Wow. I mean, it's, it's right there. And I'm frozen. And it looks at the leaf and it studies the leaf. Hmm, it doesn't make any noise.

Not yet. Studies the leaf. And then, and I thought it was studying to eat it. And it then went around and then it went down. and then it went down the hill. It's what we would say in Missouri, a gully. So it goes down to the gully. There's a little stream that I could jump,

that I did jump many times. And it did a two, two feet together, boom, and it could jump. But it was a hop. It wasn't a step. It was a hop. And then it looked around and there's another hill going up. And we're in, again, I hate to use Missouri words,

but we're in what's called a holler. You guys know what that is? Oh, yeah. We're in Tennessee. Okay, well, there, of course. So we're in a holler. And it lets out this noise. and then runs off.

And that's when I lost sight of it. But it was not in any hurry. It did not, obviously did not feel threatened by me at all. And I felt fear only at the beginning. I felt fear the entire time. But I was at no time, was it threatening in any way. It's wild. It's wild.

And that's the entire story. And I've never, I've never, I did talk to the author about this, but I've never told this story before. And I was saving it for this TV show. How tall was this thing? Oh, seven or eight. I mean, I was younger. There's a great moment when Billy Moomy, the kid from the TV show, Lost in Space, shows up on the set to do a reunion show and tells everybody, this is all wrong.

Everything's so small. And they said, Billy, you were 10. Jonathan Harris, a great actor. So, seven or eight feet tall. I mean, it was, it was big. I ran home with great excitement to tell my family and my dad said it was metal arc. You saw metal arc lemon. And it was a Harlem, Roleter.

Yeah. Yeah, and that was, it was a big joke. And my brothers were quite awful, and they still are quite awful, but very cruel to me. And, you know, it was a big joke. I saw a Manilark Lemon. Do you get me an autograph, you know, basketball, that kind of thing? And I, you know, I didn't talk about it. And my other friends that came down to the woods wanted to see it with me.

And we, we still spent the same amount of time there. It didn't keep me out of the woods. Yeah. Did you leave footprints or anything? I mean, or like, and how long, how long this whole experience to say, would you say, would you say, 30 seconds or no no no several minutes several minutes and i mean it was it was like a sightse you're walking in the hill just slow slow walk slow walk and um you know copperheads we were terrified of which is a snake yeah but and i had more fears seen a little copperhead than i did with this thing

and and because it was it's we're talking cliffs and and there was land between the cliffs but These cliffs were, you know, two stories high. And they would fill with, with leaves, which we would then throughout the, you know, the early months of summer, burn them off on our fires and we would use them as a, I had a rake. We would, we would cover the roof. But it was thick, it was thick leaves, man. And so there was no mud and I didn't go down to the, you know, I wasn't at that point in my life where I would think, oh, I should get a plaster print of this.

Yeah. Yeah. What we had had, we had heard stories about these things and they were called Momo. Have you ever heard that before? Yeah. Yeah. So in Missouri, I didn't know Sasquatch or Bigfoot or anything of that. I guess eventually I did because of $6 million man.

But at that time, you saw Momo. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they call them different things in different states. They call them like the grass man in Ohio and stuff like that. Grassman. And like the Skunk Cape and Florida and all that. Skunk Cape, I've heard of that one.

Grassman was a guy bought my weed from. I wasn't high. I wasn't high or drunk. Was it near? Would you back up to any like private wild land? or any like forest land or or is like, you know, I don't know.

I was back there recently and it's, there's a lot of trash there now. The neighborhood is turned. And we really cherish those woods and the new folks that moved in don't seem to cherish the land as much. There was graffiti on the cliffs, which is just so repulsive to me. And you're standing inside of the rocks when this.

No. Well, I'm, yes, I'm standing in a, I'm not like in the doorway or the cave or? No, no,

not like that at all. So there's a He's drawing us He's drawn Yeah He's drawn as Sasquatch Luke We're gonna put it on his shirt No I can't do that

But so So you've got This is really bad But you've got You've got a cliff here That's up two stories And you've got these big rocks That have fallen from whenever

A million years ago And then we covered them with Right We covered them with thatch And we would go in here And we'd have a little fire out here This is this this is the stream down here. This thing came around like this. And I was I was over I was over here.

This this is it's not it's not exactly right. It was shifted a little bit more. But I was not standing in the entrance of the cave. I was outside of getting these. Okay. I see. You were like, you were building the fort. I was building the fort. So we were above this then? Is that from you talking about there'd be in a second story? No. Okay. No. There's two rocks, but plenty of space, plenty of space, not tight. Plenty of space. And this thing just lazily came by. Make Mother's Day even more special at Whole Foods Market. Kick off brunch or dinner with quality cheese and charcutory with no synthetic nitrates. Then go seafood.

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I would pull off hair. You know, it would... Shed? Yeah. I want to say mange or mold or whatever. That's not the right word. But it had, it had... This is also, I don't think it's some advanced creature that some people think.

I mean, it had waste on its backside and it had leaves hanging. It had its fur was mad. and it was not clean. And it had certainly back there. And it had strings of lighter hair that were falling off from the warm weather, from the warmer weather. So it was shedding his winter coat. Shetting.

But big, you know, this big, big patches hanging like you could just go up and pull it off. And then around its backside and I don't want to be gross. I don't know what your rules are here on the show. But at the time, I mean,

I'm thinking, well, that's like a dog sitting in or a cat. I mean, it looked like waste. and it had it was caked into it and it smelled like it and leaves where it had been sitting they've been wiping so good in the forest all right so bigfoot's got dangleberries yeah so but that that really that really struck me yeah and then it had you know it had human humanoid hands and it was

you know there was intelligence there when it was looking at the leaf it was hmm again it didn't make that noise but that was the so if you want to make the argument that they're from another planet or from another dimension, it certainly did look at the leaf, like, not like a cow or something, would just start eating it. It studied the leaf. It was like, what is this? Yeah. Yeah.

Or maybe it's looking for some good teepee, you know, if it's having some issues in the backside. I don't think, no, I don't think that was it. This was, yeah. Do you follow what I'm saying? No. It was inquisitive, right? It's kind of like, it's. And then you would think, well, if this thing is native to those woods, wouldn't it

know that tree? Yeah. So. Well, usually they, you know, they know people are there too. I mean, this had no. this had no. Maybe it knew I was there and didn't care. You know, obviously felt no threat. With kids, too, there's, there's interesting Sasquatch, Bigfoot, Momo, in this case, stories where it's a little different with kids and women. They like women's voices and kids'

voices, Nate, right? Like they just sort of anecdotally. Well, kids and women see them fairly often. Yeah. It's almost like there's a, wow. It just seems to be a lack of threat there, right? They're not worried about, you know, 11, 12 year old man cow packing heat. You might have been. You might have been, but maybe it wasn't, maybe it wasn't so weird. At that time I could have been, and this time I am, I'm packing still to this day. Same, same here. And I would go to those woods sometimes with a little 22. You had your horse, you had a horse or just your dog?

No, no, no, I just had my dog with me. So we had horses separately, yeah. Well, was there any like sound pollution out there or is it just like, no, it's just absolutely. No, man, this was, this was, this was, this was fresh suburbia. This was, these were new houses there. There was, there had been nothing there forever. and we were encroaching into these woods. My backyard was not into these woods.

And I, you know, I'm sure it was a park or something. The Army Corps of Engineers would practice in the middle of woods. And what that meant is they would build dams and tear them down and build ponds and destroy them. Bridges and all that. Yeah. Yeah. But you say. But that was deeper into the woods.

So 80% of your encounter with this thing, it's just kind of walking leisurely, doesn't really care. Yeah. And the last encounter, it kind of goes up the hill. And you said it makes that noise, then it takes off running at the end. Yeah. Yeah. That's interesting. Yeah. So the matted backside, the smell, the leaf, the studying of the leaf, the going down the hill, kind of that.

I don't know why I didn't run. As soon as without a sight, I grabbed my dog and I ran as quick as I could. But I wasn't paralyzed with fear or anything like that. But I was, I just couldn't believe it. I mean, I just sat there and looked at it. And it was. And big strides. I don't if that's interesting, you know, and you could feel, you could see the weight.

You know, this was a weighty thing. It went down the hill and it had to, you know, it had to maneuver the hill and the rocks and brush. And, I mean, it was. I think it was a male. Yes. I don't know why I think that. I didn't see anything. It would tell me it was a man.

What do you think about the Patterson Giblin film in the 60s? No, no, it didn't look like that. Okay. Different. No, it wasn't that. That was a female, supposedly. Oh, well, it wasn't that loose. Let me ask what your dog.

Was it typical behavior for your dog? Because you think about dogs in the woods, right? If it was a bear or a person or an animal, I don't know how your dog reacts normally. But my dog, you know, my dog would be barking, like sort of a, even if it was a bear, you'd accept to be a bear, it would be sort of a defense mechanism, right? Like a, I think that dog in that case, which I knew that dog so well, what a great dog. But I think in that case, it would have been, do I have a picture of the dog here? No.

Come on. Where is happy. I know. happy. What a great dog. Thank you. Happy, happy, I think, would have been crying in that situation. But there was, it was, the dog was frozen. That's fascinating.

Yeah. Well, see, they say that's what happens with Sasquatch counters. See, like everything goes silent. It's like they put out a frequency that shuts everything up. And everything's just, you know, you can hear, you can hear a pin drop. And hunters say this. Everyone says this. You know, there's just, it was like they walk in.

into a bubble, like a sound bubble. But I wonder if they're putting out some kind of frequency that we can't hear. And it just, if you're a dog, you can hear it, obviously, and you just freeze. You don't know what it is. But it also induces a lot of fear in people. And I think that people, they immediately have that panic feeling,

and they're just like, they can't, they can't. But they don't, you know, a lot of people don't have violent encounters with Bigfoot. So it's sort of just a paralyzing fear, it sounds like. It's kind of a lot of things. in there. Well, something's bigger than you. I think it's almost natural. Well, that's true. But it, but they, but they, the weird thing, man, cow, is that they feel it before they see it. So they, they feel this sense of fear before they even know Bigfoot's there. And then they see the creature. So it's like their systems are alerted to it before they even have a visual sight. And people who don't even believe in

this creature, right? So all of a sudden, they just feel this panic. They think something's watching them. They turn around. Boom. There it is. And it's like, you know, it's like their system will, alerted them before their senses, I mean. Your story is different though in the sense that like it, I feel like people get stocked almost, like where Bigfoot's kind of like either like run in parallel or the Sasquatch is sort of tracking them, you know, and kind of watching. Yeah. And the fact that like it almost seems either one, not concerned or too oblivious to your,

to your presence or to where you're at is interesting to me. Like it's like, uh, the leaf thing is fascinating too because it's almost like it just isn't, I don't know, like it's kind of in its own world. where it's sort of, it's an interesting, it's such an interesting encounter. Like, I haven't heard anything like that. Good. I've heard something like this. There was a hunter that, that, that, it has, okay.

Well, I listened to a lot of Sasquatch encounters when I was remodeling houses because I just, I don't know, it's fastened. It's what you do. It's what I did. It's what you do. Yeah, it's what you do when you remind house. So, there was this one where this hunter was, he was at a distance and he was watching like this, this Sasquatch from my memory, he was injured.

And he had like a limp. And he was walking under some trees. and they had a long encounter. He was watching it through his scope. And it was just kind of going along, checking trees out, walking around tree. It was just like you described. But it was injured.

It was like, so he noticed that it was moving slow because of that. And I wonder, like, if some of them are just more like on the animal scale, they're just, they're just perusing around. This, yeah. This was an animal. I don't know what else you would call it. I mean, I guess, I don't. think it put out any pheromones or scent.

I don't feel like I was in a sound bubble. Not to contradict you guys, but just to clarify. And I don't have ever thought this before, but thinking it sitting here with you and thinking about it, the dog did not. I would have thought the dog would have barked for a long time. It was going crazy for quite some time.

And, you know, I didn't know what it was. It could have been a squirrel could have anything. I wasn't paying that much attention to it before it passed by. Yeah. Yeah. I can't imagine this thing. Well, I don't know. Maybe, you know, maybe, you know,

Maybe the dog didn't know what it was either. But it didn't seem the dog was barking. I was like, shut up. And I went over. I mean, that's what I was going over to do. I went over. The dog was around the rock and I went over to look.

And here comes this thing. Was there any history of this before? Or did you even look into that or ever heard of anything like? I mean, you say Mo Mo Mo Mo. But like, I mean, that's pretty general when you're talking about Missouri.

No, when I would when I would, right, when I would talk about it, people go, that's Mo Mo Mo Mo Mo Mo Mo. I'm telling you. Yes.

Yeah. As I, as I had heard stories that other people had seen things. And it was called Momo. That there's a, you know, a creature. I can't go for the noise. And I'm in some, it's anticipation.

Well, I'm ready when you guys are, but that'll be the end of the end. I used to be able to nail it. Well, you know all that. It's like, I was talking like Whitney Houston, man.

You know, you're just going to. No, no. Oh, that would be great. Oh. But, you know, the, the darting, again, at the bottom of the hill,

the jump was very memorable and then the darting off. And I think it again, can I add, can I just, I'm just making stuff up now. But just, yeah. Well, I just, I mean, I don't know any of this, but I think it was man. I think it was a man, not a female. I don't think it was a man. Right.

I think it was whatever it was. It was a male. I was frightened only because it was something new. But again, it was not threatening. And I also feel. like it was very old. And I don't know why I think that. It's not like I, I remember a lot of wrinkles or anything, but I feel like it was an old

thing. Elderly? Um, and ancient. And I feel like or ancient. Like old like it's like it was like an old animal or or like it was an ancient thing. Very good question. And I would have to go with ancient thing. Okay.

Interesting. Now, I want to tell you why I think that. Tell us. Which is, again, this is just riffing guys. There are no. There are no real good answers, man, cow. So this is, this is all we can do. But, but it, you know, I hear these people say it came out of another dimension or it's from

space or whatever. I didn't get any sense that other than it was no different from a possema or a squirrel or anything else. It was an animal. Although it wasn't fidgety. It was a very calm creature. And I was really quite proud of myself that I wasn't freaked out after the initial moment of it. And I was frightened, but I wasn't terrified.

And certainly once it was had walked away, I was able to calm. look at it. Okay. So this is where it's going to get a little crazy. All right, fellas. Oh, yeah. So doing the radio show and having people on like Alex Jones who stopped talking about these things, but very early on talked about him. Joe Rogan, who very early on would talk about these things. There's a guy named David Ike, who I became very friends with, very good friends with. There was a guy named Jim Mars who stayed at my house, who was a very good friend of mine. And he wrote Rule by Secrecy. And they would talk about shape shifters. Okay. There was another guy named Rousseau that wanted me to quit my job. He had produced, I think, the lethal weapon movies and wanted to go spread

the word about a variety of things, some of which is coming to fruition right now. I don't want to get into politics, but some of the demonic and supernatural things that are happening in our country. So I think that my thinking and sitting here saying, I think it was ancient, may not have been from that moment, may have been from years of talking these guys about their encounters with shapeshifters, reptilians and whatever. And again, do I know about this? Do I believe it? I've done hundreds of interviews on this. I was going to do a book. I sold a book to a woman named Judith Regan about shapeshifters.

Totally unrelated to my Bigfoot story never crossed my mind thinking about this. And these things are not like Bigfoot. They're always described as reptilian looking. But everybody talks about how they were ancient. You could tell it was an old evil. And I think that is where my thoughts today go off. I think it was ancient. But that is my feeling.

But I don't know if that's added on. Like a remnant. Maybe like something like, like my, my feeling is it was an ancient creature that it was an old creature, hundreds of years old. And, but I don't know if I thought, I don't think at the time I was thinking, oh, this is an ancient creature. Well, I think there's something to say too about,

I think there are many different types of these, these creatures because a lot of people describe them differently, brown hair, black hair. Someone would say they're white. There's white ones. Yeah. tall and they're all they're they're different sizes some of them are are shorter some more huge and massive and the ones in the south and the and near the swamps are more aggressive and mean and

some of them some of them reported to save people some people have been trapped and these things will rescue them like there's there's a couple famous ones on that you know a kid's kid kid was drowning and this thing picked them up out of the out of the creek put them on the side of the bank so it's really strange and then also man cow is it these like two or three year old kids will go missing and they'll be in the woods for three or four days. And I've heard the, I've heard the, and then all of us. Well, and then they're the, they'll ask the kid. How'd you, how'd you make it? I mean, it was dipping down into, to, to temperatures that a kid couldn't survive on his own in the middle of the woods, right?

Oh, well, this bear took care of me. It's like, so. There's no bears here. And by the way, there's, there's no bears that are taken care of kids either. Let's be honest. Yeah. Well, that balloon was pretty delightful. Good, good voice.

I think there are saskwatches that are in the shape-shifting realm. They're like that. And then there's saskwashes that are just more on the primate scale. They're more of an animal or an ancient primate. You know what I mean? So I think that's why there's the hot debate about Sasquatch, because I think all the above are true. Just like there's, you know, many different types of cats and dogs. You would be surprised how much diversity there is about the werewolf creature.

Some people say they see them in the city. Some people say these things ripped apart their animals. And there's not one description of the werewolf, the dog man. So if you think about this to Sasquatch, there could be so many different varieties of them that it just keeps it always confusing. I mean, I'll keep banging this from this. This was an animal. Yeah. Well, sure.

It was, yeah. But I did think, I did think intent. And I also think that's a sign of intelligence. This thing wasn't like some feral freaking out at the dog. and freaking out at me. You know, what is that in my land here, my woods? It was completely dismissive and superior. And I thought looking at it, this is a smart, looking at it, looking at the leaf,

I thought, this is smart. And then I think when it was calling, it was calling out to the ridges up around the other side of the valley, the hollers, I said. And it called out, which I'll do. But, no, but I mean, I think it was, I think it was looking for. its mate or looking for a friend. At the time, at the time I did think it was looking for its mate. It was looking for

someone else that spoke its language. Let me, let me ask this. So you said the face was humanoid. So, yes. When you say, I wondered why you didn't ask me about that. No, this is where I'm going. We're getting. We're getting there. Yeah, we've got to cover some ground here, but normal, normal nose, normal mouth, hair

around it. When I say normal, I mean like humanoid. So not like, not like, more human like. A broader nose, a broader nose, but a humanoid nose. What color the eyes? Same color as the fur. Are they like dark? And I would tell you, I would say the fur was more like an Irish setter.

Okay. My dog was copper colored. It was a cocker spaniel. This was more like a darker Irish setter. And I want to say something else that happened to those woods. I'm sure dime store psychologists will try to figure, put these two together. It's nonsense, but go ahead. But I did encounter, again, the same, partially the same series of cliffs, but on another cliff, I did experience a guy was sitting there.

And, hey, little boy, come here, come here. And I, there's no doubt in my mind, he was a cream. And there's no doubt in my mind that he had bad things planned for me. And he was in the Males woods and the kid, we all played there. Hey, come here. Are you alone? Can you help me? Come here. And I went and I ran. And I was terrified all the way home. And I did not have that feeling with Bigfoot. I did not have that feeling. I had an initial. So anyway. But what my point is, I've known fear. I've been around animals all my life. And even cows, even rabbits. I wasn't afraid of rabbits. You know, that's money python. But, but no, there, you know, look, I'm a, I'm a carnivore. It's no ordinary rabbit.

And and, but there are, you know, we don't want to, we don't want to think this. I raised black angus cattle. I did it last year as well. There are, have you guys been around cattle? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, so there are cows that are damned charming.

Yeah. And have the personality of a dog. And there are cattle that are bastards. And if you just grow up and you have no concept of animals or you're not around animals, you don't know this. I've had a cat that was a jerk. I mean, the devil. So I know good animals and bad animals.

And this thing was, I felt no threat from it. I still find that just so interesting. This big creature, far from home in the middle of the woods. And I, I, he was like a, he was like a 75 year old squatch just on his way. And you were, or, or 750 year old squash. Whatever. I think it's, I never heard that term. Hey, do I get a blurry.

I was at this conference and I saw people wearing your t-shirts. Do I get a freight team? We'll send you all kinds of stuff, bro. I will wear that. I will wear that proud. You got to send us your size and your email. But, hey, I just think it's interesting, man. call. My one thought on this is

definitely an animal to you, but then the features are humanoid, which is a really interesting juxtaposition to me, because it's like, if it feels very human, then you have this very, but you have this very animalistic, it's just, it's interesting. Which is exactly what hunters describe. They can't

shoot the thing because exactly what you're describing. They line it up and it looks too human. It was I think it was a peaceful creature. It met me no harm. I met no harm to my dog. They didn't even harm a leaf. Okay, so his eyes. Are they like all black? Because they say these things have like at night or dreamy. Yeah.

Dreaming a song to you. Dreamy eyes. No, I saw the whites of the eyes and it really had it had I don't remember clearly the eyes, but but it I remembered having certainly dark eyes. So you've never seen a trail cam photo or anything that's popped up on the internet that's even resembles this or is just like anything gets close? Guys, I haven't been looking. I had this guy that I told you about. I think his name was Winslow, if I said it earlier. And he's working on it.

And he sent me some pictures and they all looked like, I don't know. Nothing came close. And then he sent me pictures of gorillas, you know, play of the apes and bears. And I said, no, it wasn't, playing of the apes. It wasn't, it wasn't a bear. Exactly. But humanoid with hair, you know, hair all over, shorter hair on the face. And, and, you know, dark red or brown hair.

And how long do you think you were looking? looking at just his face, like a good, good minute. Not, no, not. No, no, not. Yes, I saw, but I, I saw, I saw the back and profiles as it turned and looked at the leaf. It was past me, but not far when it stopped and reached, and it reached up to look at the leaf, but I could see the side of its face. That's a cool story. And, and, and, and, and it was looking around when it, when it came by me, but it was matter of fact, see, I, I hate to, I hate to feed into anything and, and add something that isn't here. But if, if, if, if you want to go with.

If you want to go was what one of our initial conversations was on the phone, which I thought was insane, just based on my experience. No, no, no, just on my experience, whatever. And it was, you know, that it's from outer space. But if, let's say that, okay, let's say it. It's from outer space. Okay. All of us together. Okay.

Anyway, it did, it did have that look like it was in a strange land. It did behave like it was not. It was completely calm. It felt no. And it wasn't feral and looking around like I said. but it was it was assessing the situation looking around so if you want to go with this as a space explorer or just in from another dimension it did it did move the way I would move if I was on a new planet I appreciate that I appreciate you adding that fact because it's really hard to not bring your own

thoughts into the conversation and say well this is this is what I think it is so I'm going to retell the story but it was it was it was surveying the land and I it may maybe was just looking for friend or I felt mate and then it jumped at that little crick as we would say and then looked around and then called as it was looking around and then took off and it took off it disappeared quickly it ran off it's probably good it's probably good thing I didn't think you were its mate it's been a way different story god it would have been such a good story huh can you imagine the money I could have made Whitley Whitley striber money man and communion money wasn't that his book Whitley Scriber was on my show and boy, did he tell some.

He's a fascinating. You got to get him on you. Have you had him on? Well, that's your, that's your next get. He had a, he had a space alien child that was climbing the side of his building and he thinks it was his child when they had taken his DNA from when he was abducted. And that this, this half alien, half Whitley Scriber creature had come back to see him and it was looking at his window. And he felt a father bond. And I'm like, wow.

So my story's very boring. compared to some of the stories I've heard. You've got to get us the connection. Whitley, well, you want to go through, I gave you the number. I got to turn my phone back on. Okay, so I'll do it afterwards. But Bob Gleason is his handler, so I'll get you butt. And I don't, would you look and see if Whitley Shriver is still alive?

He wrote, I think communion. Bob or Jackie, Bob Gleason. Yeah. Okay. Jackie, thank you. I think, man, I think of all the paranormal stuff, I think Bigfoot's a great equalizer. because it's just weird enough, but it's not too weird

that it gets people into this this whole paranormal world. I'm not saying every single Bigfoot is riding UFOs and coming from outer space. I don't know. I'm just saying there's enough paranormal activity. Like when we interviewed Ron Moorhead

early in the show, when there's these glowing orbs around them and they're talking to each other. They call it the samurai chatter. They have their own language. They don't act like animals. You know what I'm saying? It's like they're a different race.

Have you enter, have you, have you interviewed Robert Fleischman, the original lead singer of Journey, and he wrote Wheel in the Sky, and I think he still got six figures. We talked to him about it, and Tim said he didn't think he would want to come on our show and talk about his experiences. You know, he's, he's had, his stories are fascinating and he's had stories with orbs. And we'd love to interview him. Someone close. Well, he's, he's, he was.

Wasn't he at the conference? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He is, he's very tortured by these things. and I know this because I know this. I was there. He has implants that look like little bits of amber under his flesh.

And when he tries getting removed, they move in the body. I don't know how good. I don't know how good Milwaukee doctors aren't removing alien implants, but there's something in him. And there's a reason he doesn't want to talk about it. And I respect his reason. And I shouldn't probably be sitting here talking about it right now. But he also talks about the orbs.

And they come off the lake. They come across Lake Michigan. and they, he's seen him. And, and, but then again, also when, like I was going to say, a close family member died, there was these, my whole family saw it. I was not there. But these balls of light floated all over the room and then, and they took pictures. So what, I mean, that's something, that would be different than UFO.

That would be a, it's like a scout. That would be spiritual. Well, some people say that these, that these other entities are controlling creatures like Sasquatch. They, they use them. which is even wilder, but, but, oh, it's, it's, what a, what a wonderful place we live in. I mean, this is, no, this is, I, I have no idea. And you know, Timothy's, you know, the, uh, birthright book, uh, you know, I, I, I'm a Christian guy and the, the stories of people and

I've done many, many, if I'm an expert of one thing in my life, uh, other, other than the obvious stuff, love making as my wife and, and radio and stuff. No, no, thank you. That was for you. That was for you. Was it Jackie Gleason? Yes, smartass. He's still alive. He's 77. He's still alive. We'll get Whitley on your show. That's the greatest space alien story, my favorite, that I've ever heard. But I'm an expert on NDE, sneer death experiences. And when you talk to people that have had demonic encounters, they line up oftentimes with what I've heard from people that have UFO encounters. What are you swat and a fly? What were you just swatting? Mosquito biting me in my studio. Oh. Speaking of creatures. Oh, yes.

Speaking of demonic. Yeah, those are demonic creatures. It's like all my neck driving me nuts. I'm like, I knew it's in here somewhere. The book of Revelation talks about giant mosquito-like creatures in the end times. And you wonder, and by the way, our friend Timothy Albrino, Berthwright, thinks this is complete nonsense. But, you know, there's those that believe they're trying to open another dimension with that. Sern. Hydrogen.

Oh, yeah. And he's, he's actually studied. It's a large particle or large particle. Yeah. I've wondered if they're not going to open another dimension and unleash these things and that's going to be the prophecy fulfilled. And he just thinks it's beyond stupid. Well, there's a lot of folks that do that. I mean, think that because they literally are experimenting with things into other dimensions.

I mean, this is they talk about it, which is. Yeah. You know, and then we did a whole episode in this, man, cow. They put, they put, they put Shiva, this Indian god statue. I saw it. There's a lot of weird, the destroyer, right? The destroyer. How about the UN with the rainbow cougar with the wings?

And it's described in the book of Revelation. Speaking of the Bible and Revelation on these topics, we think a lot of times when you unpack what Sasquatch could be, it could be some sort of ancient nephalum hybrid type of creature. Wow. Where, you know, you had the giants, which was the human version of these two DNAs that weren't supposed to be together. Right.

And you had this offspring that were, you know, the David and Goliath. story is not a, it's not a one-time thing. It's, it's a snapshot of, you know, decades and centuries of wars between human beings and these giant creatures. So perhaps all these ancient creatures that weren't supposed to be here, they were sort of, that creation was meddled with, that this could be some sort of remnant of, of some kind of ancient DNA experiment gone wrong.

See, this is why you host blurry creatures. Oh, yeah, right here. That thought has, that is, that is, that is kooky, but I love it. I love it. And I thought you were going to say they're, they're the two witnesses from the end times, you know, which would, which would have been even coochier. Look, I love the idea of it. I do believe in the Nephlem.

I do believe that they are keeping that secret. I don't believe in the Cardiff Giant, which is one of my favorite hoaxes. But, um, no, they're, they're, they're, look at these doorways. Who were they for? Yeah. Yeah. And I understand, I understand a man on horseback, but a man on 10, horses some of these doors? We spent a lot of episodes talking about just, I mean, where you grew up,

there's more giant mounds, these ancient mounds that they dug into and found skeletons. I mean, it's definitely not like, I mean, we spent a lot of time proving that the giants were real. They existed and they were all over the world, building similar structures and things. But I don't think they were bigs, but when the human DNA was corrupted, ancient human DNA, the Bible says they also mess with animals. Plants, animals, species of all kinds were messed up. That's why God floods. So they had sex with everything.

And so that's why God takes his humans and his, what, animals, puts them on a boat, preserves his creations. Have you been to the Noah's Ark mock up? No, everybody talks about this. I haven't been. You take your kid's name? Look, it's the exact measurements of the Bible. They have things like a Brabis burger or whatever. They have hilarious things.

you know, T-shirts and stuff. But it's the, look, it proves that if you follow what's in the Bible from many thousands of years ago and you build this boat, you could hold a lot of animals. Yeah. And on the boat, they have mock-ups on this mock-up boat of Noah's Ark. I don't, where's it at, guys? I know I drove there on my way to Dollywood. It's in Kentucky.

And it's pretty cool to come over the hill and see Noah's Ark sitting there. It's bigger than you would have thought. It's magnificent to see. It's expensive. And I don't know that's worth your time. but it's like, look, it's a Christian thing. It's a, it's probably not a bad thing for you do. But it's funny as they have like dinosaurs in some of the stuff, which, you know,

now they would have dinosaurs. Stay away from that Judas Perito. Oh, man, it'll come, it'll come back to you. It'll come back to you. It'll turn on you. It'll turn on you. You'll want to hang yourself. Ah, there you.

You'll want to hang yourself. Yes. Oh, man. So, man, Cal, after you see this creature, after you see Bigfoot, he runs off the hill. Yes. Your brothers don't believe you? No, no, my dad started and they paraded it, they, like parents, they went out. That's the hardest part of all these stories is nobody, you can't tell anybody.

Well, my, no, my friends, my friends all believe me. These were stories that we had heard. They certainly all believed me. But, you know, my brothers were, were awful. You know, think Chet from weird science. You know, high five and, and, you know, I'm eight years old there. You know, one of them was 18, beating me, beating me bloody. Oh, well, that's what brothers do.

And you know, I have kids now. And I don't think that is what brothers do. I think they were really, in my opinion, just awful Cretans. But, and I'm glad I got out of there. Sad. That's hard. It is sad. It is.

I love this conversation. It's like I want to, bro, I want to have you back and talk about, because this is definitely a standalone big. Okay. Okay. Like shape, shapeshift. Yes. Yeah.

We need to go down that. Well, and really, the fascinating topic is NDE's and how that's been. Yes. That's too. We've talked about that. Near death experiences, how that has been stolen and that movement has been stolen. And why? Because people that go to heaven, guys, you know, if you're doing an NDAE show and I did them all the time,

anyone that went to heaven wants to talk to you. They're endless. The people who went to hell, they don't want to talk. But when they do, when they do, it's horrific. And then there was another expert that was here involved with someone that's really, I can't go into it. And I can't explain why. but for all kinds of reasons. But did you send them my address?

Because I want a blurry Creatures T-shirt. Yeah. I'm an X-L. I'm an X-L. I'm an X-L guys. Okay. So I want to, you got a green one, right? Yeah, black. A green shirt?

No. Okay. Anyway, we got black, blue. Eh, whatever. Anyway, black, you know, until they come up with a color that can make me skinny or I'm sticking with black. Slimings. Yeah, slimming, which I don't know.

It seems to have lost its power. I think my wife doesn't have to wash anymore because a clothes seem to be getting smaller. It really happened during the plague. So there was a so-called expert on near-death experiences. And he sat there and he said, there's no, there's no hell. Hitler's in heaven. There's, Charles Manson heaven. You don't have to worry. You do whatever you want. And I could just, you know, C.S. Lewis says it's the fool that sees demons everywhere. It's the fool that sees them nowhere. I'm paraphrasing. But, you know, I don't see demons everywhere. But boy, was this a demonic deal? So, yeah, there are, there are various places you can go to. And hell is real,

through a lifetime of study and you don't want to be there. I also knew Father Gabriel Morth and Russell Crow's new movie is out, and that's greatly sensationalized. I was also very close with Malachi Martin. You want to read a great book up there with Al Barino's birthright. I bought it eight times and threw it away eight times. I think the ninth or tenth time I finally could finish it. It's so terrifying.

But Malachi Martin was a regular in the Art Bell show. And he had done exorcisms, and he was next in line to be the Pope. He had several bestsellers, but if you want to read a book, read hostage to the devil. Okay. And I only say that so that it'll bring you closer to God, not push you away. But that is terrifying. Hostage to the devil, Malachi Martin. That's what we try to do on our show.

That's what that's a blurry creatures to sort of become. We help people kind of understand the paranormal experiences in modern day and ancient times because it's easy to think that these are just, although ancient people thought, ancient people just thought about the cosmos. in the world differently than we do now because we have science and we understand everything, right? But then the weird paranormal stuff is still happening. People like you are still growing up, they're seeing creatures that shouldn't exist, you know, whether it's some sort of, I don't know, look, we had trail cameras. I don't know why there's no pictures. I don't know why they've been caught. I don't understand it. I don't know. And, you know, guys, there is, if you look at a textbook,

a junior high textbook from the 40s, it's a college level book now. I'm sending my daughters off. I have twin daughters, sending them off to college. And I mean, the level of everything is just, it's been dumbed down. But every generation since the beginning of mankind believes that they're smart and the past generation was stupid. So we do this at our own peril. You know, there be monsters here. They're really on the outside of the maps, right?

There'll be monsters here. There really are things out there that we don't understand. And I had an encounter with one. Well, dude, it's part of that time. You're going to give us this, you're going to give us what it's down on. Yeah, I'm going to really try to do it. And I'm not hamming it up. It's very tough to do and I could do it as a kid and I just,

I don't have the voice for it anymore. Wow. And it trailed on like that. And it had higher, higher, I can't do it anymore, but it had a higher pitch. Yeah, probably pre-puberty. It's probably easier to get that high note. And then,

and then looked around and I don't know if it got a signal or it got spooked. but it took off and it was you have heavy compression sound gate on your on your mic otherwise we would probably would have heard it would have blown out our speakers

but from those listening it was you know it's that typical Sasquatch call where it oh it is it just sounds like and that's what Hunter's Say are people

it had a long ending yeah it trill did you do you feel it in your bones when you heard it is like feel it in your chest I don't know I don't know

I don't remember I don't remember what I felt but I remember the sound clearly in my head. That's as close as I can do to reproduce it. I've never heard. I've never had anyone tell me that they've heard another one. I've never heard another one. If you're telling me that's what other people do,

that fascinates me. You're saying that's similar to other sound you've heard because I've never heard a sound like it. I've never heard anyone tell me that, nor have I ever. Well, like the Finding Bigfoot show, they'd go out there and they would try to like reduce Sasquatch calls. Like Bobo would be like, woo.

They'd do more whoops and stuff. Yeah. Yeah, it's to call them in. Trying to get them in. There's a whole network of people get really nerdy about this. And they go out and they spend their whole life looking for Sasquatch. And they have, you know.

Well, I wish I could give them my experience. Well, yeah, yeah. I mean, someone that that's that into it, they would, they take it in a heartbeat. Oh, I mean. I mean, the Bigfoot scientist, Dr. Jeff Meldrum, is yet to see a Sasquatch. And he has all the, he has all the tracks. It's like 10,000 casts or something. I'm crazy.

It's like me. It's like me as a boy looking at Playboy. Exactly. I mean, the wonder. The wonder. Yeah, so he's like a foot morphologist.

He understands, so he's, his whole thing is like, look, you can't recreate these casts. This isn't something that somebody just 3D printed and put it in the ground. This is like a living creature based on the evidence. And if you study footprints,

you know these things. But what I'm saying is seeing, seeing a Sasquatch is it's it's it's it's rare but it also happens quite a quite a lot to random people it's almost like the experience chooses you you don't choose the experience you can't go out and find him he finds you I'm you know sitting here tonight I'm glad that it happened and I didn't realize what a gift I was given and I'm glad you put in perspective and I'm glad to know that that is a sound that I will I will also say thinking of it look in my mind's eye looking at it. It did look like, I wouldn't be surprised with the memory included him turning and talking to me.

I mean, it looked like it had that kind of intelligence. But it was, it wasn't animal. It was not, and it was not a clean thing. It was not a anyway. But think about how that experience probably might have changed your life because you go into radio, you interview people who've had weird experiences, who tell weird stories. And in the back of your mind, you're thinking, you know, I saw something too. So it helps expand your own perspective. So when people tell you weird stuff, you don't immediately just say, ah, you're nuts. You're crazy. So, I mean, I was part of exorcisms.

I was part. We eyewitness to satanic ritual, which I got tipped off and we went out and saw that. I think you can probably find that online. And then there was a UFO landing that would probably be another show. So we've got other things. Oh, yeah, we do. Best I was going to ask you, man, okay? Like, we're closing this thing out.

Like, well, I had so much fun. I had so much fun. I'd be glad to. What are you up to these days, man? What are people going to engage with what you're doing? I'm just over six foot. You know, you know, I started in 1984.

And I got up every day at 2.30 in the morning. And 2.30. No, it was it for me. I did it. I'm in a movie called Death Wish, which people seem to, I hear a lot about that with Bruce Willis. And, you know, I did a lot of radio TV, a lot of, a couple of movies. And I have children and I've been enjoying them the last couple of years. I do a podcast, which I guess I can pimp now, which is available on Spotify.

I had two million people a week, and they took those away because I made a joke about Biden, and they said he's not a pedophile, which I never said that. Fact checkers are determined Biden's not a pedophile. I think I showed him sniffing a kid's hair, and they took away two million people. And then I got it back up to 177,000 and showed a picture of Hunter Thompson in a boa. Nothing X-rated in either of these pictures. and they said, you know, the Hunter Biden laptop has been debunked. And both, by the way, both of these I challenged.

And they said, oh, you're right. No, you're right. Yeah, you're right. Well, can I have my $2 million back? Can I have my $177,000 back? Can I have my money? No. No.

Wow. So active censorship is also way worse than I experienced in the radio, which shocks me, AI or whatever it is, you know, that wants, whatever agenda they want, I'm not part of it. And you're not part of the agenda if you ask questions. 100%. You know, I saw somebody sent me a funny card. And it was the news media saying, hey, once you know you've been lying, we've been lying to you. The news reporter goes, we've been lying to you.

And the person at home goes, no, you haven't. And that's the world in which we find ourselves. I've always asked questions and been curious, which, by the way, reminds me. I do think that all women are by, by the way. But, but I mean bipolar. At least the ones I've known. There is. At least the ones I've known.

It's a joke, ladies. Dude, I love it. It's a joke, for God's sacks. What about saskatch women? do you think is bigfoot have a abelady out there much like Kardashians very hairy very very hairy i was very hairy i was the eastern block europeans you know but i'm telling you 70s 70s you know as a child of the 70s i appreciate that yeah we're still waiting for that encounter man cow where someone says they saw two two bigfoot making out in the woods it hasn't

happened yet so there's got to you know there's got to somebody there's spock and kirk uh fan fiction and Riker and Picard fan fiction where they're, you know, and I got to think there's got to be out there fan fiction where there's two Bigfoot lovers. Well, they're breeding because actually, if I was going to make a movie about Bigfoot lovers, it'd be you two. No, no, no. Now we're just now, no, no, now we all laugh and we freeze the frame and that's the end of the show. Oh, man. This was fun. Yeah, dude. Oh, man.

Let me know. Let me know how it goes and keep. Keep having fun, guys. What's your podcast? What's your podcast? What is it? Mancalf podcast, Spotify. It's everywhere.

It's everywhere. And I do it. You know, I'm off to Peru for a month. And I was with the smashing pumpkins in Nashville. And I do, it's supposed to be every Monday. I do it about once every month or two. Are you in with Tim to Peru? I am not.

I am not. We are in June. You are, you are just going to miss me. And I talk to Timothy about this. And I am going to do some archaeological stuff, which my wife finds hysterical. But, um, Indiana. Indiana, Indiana, Mousa. Indiana, Mancow.

But the real reason, the real reason I'm going to Peru, other than the sites and this dig, is my children, I raise guinea pigs. And they are the most insufferable little creatures. They are horrible. And as you know, three to a skewer in Peru. And for the eat them. Yeah. And I cannot wait to pick up a little guinea pig leg. Just eat it and pick my teeth with it.

Professor Cuddles. Isn't that the cutest little creature? They're going to have special hay. They're smelly. They're going to know when you come back. Man, God. They're going to be like, he's eating one of us. You're going to stay away from that guy.

Girls, come here. I'm going to be plump from Guinea pig. No, I really can't wait to eat one of these little bastards. That's it. All the way there. Bless. That's it. Good to see, brothers.

One of the reasons. Thank you. I'll wear my shirt with pride. We'll send it out tomorrow. Get it out to you. I want it tonight. Well, we'll get it on D.HL. See if they can get there quick.

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