Blurry Creatures - EP: 166 Extra-Dimensional Beings with John DeSouza

Episode Date: April 21, 2023

This week former FBI Special Agent John DeSouza joins the show. A veteran investigator with a 25-year career, John is best known as the collector of the real-life "X-Files." Today, he reveals real case file accounts of UFOs, and FBI investigations, unexplained mysteries, and the paranormal.  DeSouza is the bestselling author of THE EXTRA-DIMENSIONALS, THE PARA-INVESTIGATORS, and THE CLEAR-HEARERS. In this intriguing and wide-ranging interview, we discuss some of the more bizarre experiences in his career and some of his theories about where these entities come from. Why extra-dimensional? Tune in now. Intro Song: Dreamkid83 [e-mail]   blurrycreatures.com   Socials instagram.com/blurrycreatures   facebook.com/blurrycreatures  twitter.com/blurrycreatures   Music Kyle Monroe: tinytaperoom.com   Aaron Green: https://www.instagram.com/aaronkgreen   Outro Song: TimeCop1983: timecop1983.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And then the thing just went right on us and disappeared. Went right through us. Into the ground, it seemed like. And it was it. It was gone. And then I got picked up by men who were just dressed. They looked like soldiers, but they were dressed in all black, no uniforms, no insignia. at all and then they took me into the base because they interrogated me on how i summoned that

ufo the history of our earth is so different from what we can imagine the smithsonian that if they found out about a large skeleton somewhere was to go get it i'm going to assume at least one person is right because if one person's right it bust the paradigm it all goes back to the fall and the problem with the modern day church they had a very truncated view of the supernatural this backdrop that's just pregnant with all kinds of meaning associated with this Mount Herman event and this guy defects from the kingdom that's a big deal welcome back to blurry creatures you're tuning in to the weird stuff we haven't even really we just kind of assume people have been on the blurry bus for a while now but I'm Nate you know I'm Luke and uh it's good

introduce ourselves 100 and how many episodes. Yeah, exactly. No, we're grateful to have you. This is a Journey podcast. So if you are just starting, go ahead and listen. I mean, you can do what you want. But this does have, surprisingly have a very interesting story arc. And yeah, this is an exciting episode coming up, Nate.

We've got John Asusa, retired FBI agent. We interviewed David Politis. Yeah, if you haven't listened to that episode, go back and listen to it. That would be a good, that would be good prologue for this. Listen to Politis. And John Asuza was on his. film and John retired FBI agent 25 years in

he is the they call him the X-Man right he had a lot of the really weird cases in the FBI and since he's been out he's written a number of books about that and he of course has been on Dave Politis's film along with a lot of other places talking about you know

all of the paranormal stuff and sort of his take on on how he interprets that and what those were about you know being being in law enforcement and also trying to make sense of that and so it's awesome to have John on. Really excited about this episode. Yeah, we enjoyed it.

Go back and listen to that episode with David Pilitis. And it's cool that John came on and he's got a lot to share. I feel like we're going to have to get a round two out of them. Yeah, we're going to just, yeah. When you talk to someone who has spent 25 years chasing the weird, it kind of like feels like John Dover. You know, John Redbird Dover, where you could end up 100 places because of the time they've spent chasing down some of the stuff.

So one of the things that stuck out to me, and I know we're going to talk to John about, is in David Polidus' film. I would recommend everyone watch and it's the latest 4-1-1 film it's called The UFO Connection. John does an interview and one of the things he said which I think stuck out to me

and I know it stuck out to some of our members as well was asked about the UFO phenomena he talks about it being extra-dimensional. And then he moves on. It's very much a matter-of-fact thing and so we talk about this a lot but I don't think it's part of a lot of the mainstream euphology narrative

and this is coming from a guy that's spent 25 years investigating a lot of this stuff. So excited to dig into that and talk about dimensional paradigms on when it comes to this phenomenon. Yeah. And one thing we do a lot on our show is try to give people answers in terms of the biblical narrative. And we're not afraid to get as weird as possible. And it was cool in this one to give some more context and clues. Sometimes you get more confused as you ask questions.

But there is so much more going on. The story is more than just a couple characters, as we know. But if you want to sponsor the show, go to blurriercreatures.com slash members. We have the Blurbecue coming up. Members, we're having a barbecue with all our wonderful members here. A little waterfront secret location. We rent it out a pavilion. We're going to have a party, and you better come.

But yeah, you know, that's one of the things we like to do is that this little project of ours, Nate, is really sort of burgeoned into a really cool community. I mean, that's one of the coolest things about blurry creatures is the community. community and get a lot of people that are interested and looking for better answers. And our members have a lot of perks. There's a lot of private channels, private Facebook group who can talk about a lot of this stuff and break it down. And there's just a lot of very, very cool people that are a part of this.

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And then all this stuff has happened because of you guys listening, sharing the show around. And, you know, it's really funny. We'll interview someone and they'll say, dude, I didn't even know my brother was a member of your show. So, and then later I found out he's blurry. So it's really fun how this little podcast. idea we had just blew up into this thing that secretly everyone's getting into the blurry. So if you're not a member yet, you're missing out on all kinds of fun stuff. And we got a chat coming up.

We got chats every month. So lots of ways to connect with us and other people in community. What do we do now, Luke? Now we get to John DeSoo as a retired FBI agent and go straight to the bone zone. You're now entering. And we are entering. You're now entering. I feel like this is more appropriate with like Travis Royer.

It's true. It's true. It just works because it's so stupid. This episode is going to be more like, you're now entering the Twilight Zone in this one, not the Bone Zone. It's just retired. Two hours into this interview. Yeah, it's very much.

All right. All right. Let's get John on the show. All right. So welcome John DeSuzza to Blurry Creatures, your retired special agent, investigative for 25 years, and the real life X-Files, collector of the real-life X-Files. and you're an author now. You have a new book coming out, Extra Dimensionals, right?

The Extra Dimensionals is right now, number one on all the Amazon list, number one bestseller on all the lists for UFOs, for unknown crypto matters and all these different lists. Yeah. And it's gone to number one, and it's been a worldwide phenomenon. I just, and the main reason. reason is because a lot of the predictions that I had in there are coming true right now where you see the government with their phony baloney, uh, excuseal and now there, and the

mainstream media with their phony baloney, hey, you guys are allowed to believe in UFOs now, because we say it might be true. Right. So all of this is part of a larger agenda that we see coming to fruition. Let's very, very true now. And the people who are able to tell them. this, tell that this phenomenon is a fake, are the people who are the true believers in UFOs. So we know the real qualities of true UFOs and true alien visitors when we see it.

So we know that these tic-tacks, these silver-colored little vehicles are absolutely not. They are man-made. They are absolutely not UFOs. But anyway, that's my stuff for my intro. I should be saying, I'm John. Desausa. I am the ex-man. I was an FBI agent for 25 years in the FBI. I did mostly counterterrorism, the big counterterrorism investigations, but I also minored in paranormal investigations as well. So I did a lot of those all over the place, and I went into a lot of these areas that you guys are

interested in, also Nate and Luke as well. I love it because I remember, you know, you were on a podcast I was listening to you on. You were talking about the difference between UAPs are manned. made and UFOs are not manmade. And I like that distinction. Exactly. Because what happened in 2012, 2004, and then 2012 as well, is that the government, the U.S. Navy, the mainstream media all got together on this enormous campaign to take over the world of uphology from Uphology and bring it into this new thing that we're calling UAPs and now they're ratcheting up the fear of UAPs. UAP stands for unidentified aerial phenomena, but also they call them UATs for unidentified aerial

threats. And I got that from no less a villain than Hillary Clinton herself who said during an interview, who said during an interview, yeah, we've got to, we've got to watch out for these UAP and these UATs as well. And so we had all of these people. And now we have senators and congressmen who are now all busily trying to get in on the UAP gravy train, which is a lot of goodies from the military industrial complex that is loving this UAP stuff. Because why?

Because that will give them bigger budgets and bigger monies because they haven't had a new war in the United States for how many years now. It's been way, way long. So they need a conflict. They need for that Werner von Braun prophecy to come true that the last great conflict of these global actors will be fake alien invasion so that they can unify the world behind them, behind them. And then move forward with this, you know,

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five gigabyte plan required equivalent to $15 a month. New customer offer for first three months only, then full price plan options available, taxes and fees extra, cement mobile for details. Yeah, it's hard. It's hard. There's so many narratives going on and people get, people debate all the time in our channels about are these spiritual, are these extra dimensional, are these, you know, the project blue beam, are they holograms? I mean, and I think all the above is, true. All the things are going on at the same time. Exactly, because real UFOs, real alien visitors, they are extra-dimensional. They are also spiritual like you just mentioned. And that's why we have this phenomena also of what they call in the alternative community. They call them

walk-ins. Well, I'd never heard that before the last year. That goes back to John Keel and Jacques Valle, whoops back to their writings and their thinking back in the, what, the 70s and 80s, where they said that this spiritual alien, the real alien phenomena, it tends to be on the spiritual spectrum as well. And that's why it's possible to have walk-ins, where they actually sort of like take possession of the person. And again, there's a lot of moving parts. So sometimes it's difficult to explain all the parameters of this

because there's so many different things involved with this, especially, but at the first phase, what we have to do is step back and see, Are we talking about real UFOs, real alien visitors that we have had personal experience with? Or is it this new man-made phenomena that they're trying to pull on us at this point? If you can answer that question, you're in really good shape. John, I was going to ask you about that because, you know, I feel like last month being February, there was like an unprecedented mainstream sort of conversation that began.

After we had the Chinese balloon, there was all the same. sudden, Justin Trudeau, which is impossible to believe, and Joe Biden, they shot these down, and yet we allegedly, right? And this has become, it's a bizarre change of position, right? All this, it's felt like for years there's been a lid that's trying to keep a lid on all this stuff, right? Or discredit. And I know that the dissemination of information in the age we're in, it's almost impossible. But, you know, all of a sudden, and now we've got the Pentagon saying there's a mothership. This is last week, I believe, a mothership sending. a mamua it's a it's a hawaiian word umamua it's a giant mothership cigar shape asteroid that

they're saying is intelligently guided and it's on the way here right now and your what's your take on the why why all this is this a ramping up of of a lot of condition that's happened over the years or are we are we yes but it's also putting in missing puzzle pieces into the situation and the and the mothership that now has been announced by all worldwide media that mean this went all over the world the global wires weird man it's like Independence Day John it's like dude this is but this is so unbelievable on a million levels you think about it as an investigator think about the fact that well what just happened you just have and you just said it you had an incompetent like Trudeau

and Biden and also tell you what Putin also said he's just shot down a UFO as well yeah so this has been going on all over the world I bet you it's gone on in China too. China shot down a couple of UF, UAPs, as they're saying it. So now with the announcement of this mothership that is coming back, I can just, just because I know how governments act. I know that, well, you know what they're going to, because we're getting now to the point, this UAP program, this big push, as you said, that happened last month, it's going on for a reason. They want this to happen. And now we're getting to the point where as I announced with the guy from Fox News,

I just announced that we're now at the point where the UAPs have to go to the next step. They have to go to the next step because people aren't that thrilled or interested as much as you would think. It's bizarre. It's really bizarre, honestly. And so they have to go to the next step. What's going to be the next step?

It's going to be the next step that I believe we're going to see now, which is we're going to see UAPs shooting down our airliners and our military pilots out of the skies. That's where we are right now. We're going to see active direct violence committed by these UAPs against our aircraft. And John, if we go back, you said the UAP is man-made. So are these domestic actors? Are these foreign actors?

Well, that's the next. That's the next question. And we've had a lot of people running around in particular. We have a congressman from Tennessee who is running around. on a lot of shows and he is trying to determine and he said in his determinations it looks like these uapes are definitely manmade they also have the signatures of our aerospace companies our aerospace companies are participating in creating these things possibly with roswell technology reverse engineered technology from roswell as well but he says it's apparent that these uapes

are not in the control of any national actors, not of the USA, China, Russia, no, it's not. So there's a black budget project. Yes, there are black budget projects, but they are connected to another black reality, which is the cabal, apparently the cabal, are the ones who have control over these vehicles and who are building them up

to use towards some great purpose that they have long range. And we know that, historically, that way our government works is sometimes we attack ourselves, and then we present ourselves as the heroes and the story. Exactly. And you can go all the way.

I mean, I remember the beginning of that documentary Loose Change. It was all about that. It was like six or seven times the government has attacked itself or everything from Pearl Harbor to all these events where it was like, oh, we got attacked. So that's what's coming, right? Like, they're going to make it look like there's an actual threat using sort of some high, you know, hijacked. But just to finish, just to finish up the missing piece that I was talking about with, Muamua, umawa, Mawa, Mawa, the giant mothership asteroid slash UAP that's coming here right now.

What they're going to do when these, they have already announced that this mothership is coming back to Earth, and it's probably going to be releasing probes towards the Earth. Now, what do you think those probes are going to look like? I bet they're going to look exactly like these tic-tacks that we have been seeing, these silver-colored kind of oval-shaped little ships that have been built up all over the place by people. And I bet they're going to be taking direct action against our aircraft. And the governments are basically going to say, oh, no, they're here for revenge because

we created the problem by shooting down these UFOs, which we never showed you the remnants of. No, no, of course not. Like Osama bin Laden, we never showed you any. remnants of it, and we're never gonna show you. But you just take our word for it that we shot on these UFOs. And then it was a terrible mistake because now the mothership is here and they're here to take revenge. We're so sorry. But now the only way to get out of this is that you guys have to unify behind us so that we can try to do something about this.

It's Reagan 87, right? It's the UN speech. It's the, I mean, this is, I talked about this in the show before, but it's fascinating that he, in the speech going offhandly the UN of all things is saying that it would take an existential crisis to unite humanity like an alien invasion is 87 and here we are in 2023 and all of a sudden they're they're hostile right it's the playbook it's uh it's fascinating because i'm with i'm with you first off like the things that that we've seen you know that they you know whether it be the tick attack video or anything else that some of those things move so incredibly fast that it's like

we're not shooting that down with a sideline or a patriot missile like that's not happening i mean that's that's why uh that's why i try to urge people to read my book the extra dimensionals so that when you so that you'll understand what these alien visitors and real UFOs actually are how they function what they do i mean one of the signatures of letting us know that something is actually real UFO is that UFO ships have this ability to appear, to materialize and unappear, dematerialize as well. UAPs don't have that ability. They can move in crazy ways and stuff like that, but they can't just disappear. And real UFOs also have the ability to shape shift.

They are made out of a material that is sort of plasma, plasma in nature, where they can they're usually filled with light for the most part they are filled with light and they are able to shape shift and also become intangible so that things pass through them no we saw that the battle of los angeles where we had two it almost looked like two motherships that appeared off the california coast and they they uh and this happened in like like 1938 or so yeah yeah yeah and they send up all these shells and the shells just pass right through them and and killed like five or six people on the ground. And then after the photos kept taking, they kept taking photos the whole time.

Yeah. And after the smoke cleared, you saw these two motherships that were just happily sailing away without a mark on them. Okay? That's because they were real UFOs. They were intangible. They had that ability. That's how we know these UAPs aren't really UFOs. They aren't really extraterrestrial in nature.

That's one of the clues for that. And also, whenever you hear the government say, or anybody say, hey, we just shot down a UFO. You know, UFOs are not purely physical. They are not purely physical. They cannot be shot down. They can't. They can't do that. What about, like, you know, some of the things that they've supposedly crashed, like Roswell incident where some of them have crashed?

Excellent question. Roswell was just, it was a setup. But it was done. And I can I tell you, this is my conclusion after so many years of investigation of this incident. Roswell was, it was not a crash of a UFO because UFOs cannot crash, obviously. They're not like you and me. They're not getting into tin cans that just sail across the sky and can crash just like that. That's not what's happening.

What happened with Roswell is that was done by people at the top of the cabal, the elites that believe that they run everything. And along with reptilian aliens, I believe they were reptilian, who used this incident to create some piece of machinery so that they could do technology transfer. That's ultimately what they did. And they did the agreement at Grialta, I believe it was called Grialta, with Eisenhower, where they forced him to sign the agreement that he would take technology from, the reptilian aliens and so Roswell was a very special case because the the bodies that they

found in there were not they were just hybrids that were created with the cooperation of the aliens is what the reptilian aliens I believe and but they weren't aliens and yet the whole situation was set up with the assistance from aliens who actually put in their tech to be transferred to humanity So that's, and those hybrid bodies were just shells. They were just nonsense that they threw together. You know, aliens have always had the ability to create other alien bodies, as we see with the Ananaki, who left all of their records back there on the ancient hieroglyphs as well. So they've always had that ability.

So that's why Roswell is a very unique circumstance, because they were looking to do technology transfer. They were looking to get the Grialta agreement signed. where they get a certain number of bodies every year without investigation by human authorities. And they just get to get all those bodies and they have to give technology in exchange. And that's what I believe happened at Roswell. Sounds very much like what we talk about how all this,

basically what we've come to understand on our show, like how all this started with this technology exchange for women back on Mount Hermon back in the, you know, this supposedly started the Golden Age with the Giants, and the Nephilim and angels messing with human beings, which is a whole other conversation, I'm sure. But it also sounds a lot like, you know,

what Bigfoot can do. They can shape shift or they can phase in and out and all this other weird stuff. So when did you start in your career to notice that, because there's a lot of narratives going on, we could pick a lot of rabbit holes just basically on what you just said. Yeah, I know.

When did you start to realize that, you know, everything you're being told in your career, because there's multiple sciops going on at the same time, and it's hard to know because we hear them all day long on our show, and it's, people debate all the time. And I'm just wondering when you kind of sort of put these pieces together. It was when I first went into the FBI, and we had an old case that was hanging around, and the case was called the Miami Massacre or the Miami shootout. And it involved a couple of hillbilly bank robbers. named Maddox and Platt.

And it was one of the, it was one of the great mysteries in the FBI at the time in the 80s. And it was basically these two bank robbers who got caught by an FBI and police, Miami Police Task Force. And they were forced into a large parking lot by their cars. And they crashed them in there. And then, but they could see the two Maddox and Platt.

in there. They had lots of weapons. They were getting ready. Well, as soon as they exited their vehicle, and this all happened in 1985, 1985. And when they were exiting the vehicle, the entire task force shot them the pieces. They shot them the pieces because they weren't going to give up, obviously. So they shot them the pieces. One of them got shot through the aorta, the main ventricle that goes to the heart. And instead of falling down and dying, They went into their car, got more weapons, and came out shooting. And then they went ahead, they did a semicircle around that parking lot and just started shooting every FBI agent and police officer in that parking lot. Like the Terminator, okay?

Wow. And they just marched right through there, shot them all, got into their vehicle, turned on the vehicle to leave, to leave, basically. And then what happened was we had one hero FBI agent who popped. up in front of them as they were leaving and with a shotgun and a pistol and he was able to shoot, empty both guns towards them and he was finally able to sever their spinal cord at the neck for both of them and that's what finally killed them. That's the only thing that killed them. So after that, that was a major scandal where everybody, all the politicians, everybody wanted because it was the incident where like the most FBI agents had been killed in a single incident

ever and so well people wanted to know how did they do what they did how did those guys do what they did we had some phony bologna FBI scientists step forward and say well it had to be angel dust it was angel dust because that was popular at the time and they said this stuff can if you load up on it it can give you superhuman strength and you can do enormous superhuman acts and it's amazing blah blah well anyway so that that they tried to make that go away and then the blood work can back and showed that they didn't even drink a beer before they came and did what they did. They smoked a couple of cigarettes. That's it. Nothing else. Marlborough Reds makes you superhuman, right? Oh, Marlborough. They probably were Marlboro. If I know my hill.

No fit. They ripped the filter off. We're going to go crazy. Exactly. I'm pretty sure that's how that went down. But we, then, when I was when I was at the, when I just started, at the FBI, started asking questions about it, came across a couple of deputies who actually worked the case. And I asked them, I said, so what do you think went on here? And they said, when we ransacked their apartments, all we found was a little altar. We found that the last thing they did before they went out was there was incense still burning in a little altar to the Nordic gods, Thor and Loki and the ruins. They had all kinds of ruins in there and stuff and they had done sacrifices to something that was described as berserker spirits. And when I found that out, I said to them, that's how

they did it. That's how they did it. They got, they did sacrifice, well, incense sacrifice to these berserker spirits and then they were inhabited by them. They came to them, they helped them, and they gave them the ability to do these superhuman things that they did. I've heard the Vikings did the same thing. They call them the berserkers. Well, it comes from, right? Yeah, the berserkers were like crazy, like unstoppable bloodless warriors of lore. Exactly.

And that's what I believe went down. And but when I told the FBI about that, they weren't very, actually I didn't even tell the FBI. They just found out through hearing, listening to people. And they were not happy with that. They were not happy with me. So that was the first time I got punished, not the last, but the first time that I got punished in the FBI for that, from my inquiries into that. And that was the first time that I really found out that the narrative we get from our institutions almost always deceptive. They're deceptive.

And one of the large reasons is because they just, they just cannot deal. Mainstream organizations, mainstream institutions cannot deal with paranormal reality. They don't want to and they don't want to. And they'll find anything else, anything else, to avoid those mainstream narratives, to avoid paranormal realities that happen every day. And that's why I wrote my first book, The Para Investigators. Paran Investigators about all the investigators throughout history who have used paranormal abilities to help people

and sometimes even to save people's lives. And then how they, after the fact, because people can't explain how they did what they did, why they get, they get punished. They get punished. And they get recriminations. And it's all because people just can't deal with their abilities and the way that they do things,

which are not the mainstream way of doing things. It's really complicated. And that's the thing that keeps coming in my mind is this like, it's really complicated. Because the same thing you can say about creatures like Bigfoot. Like some people love to demonize this creature and some people like to give them gifts

and invite them over for Thanksgiving dinner. And it's just the weirdest stories come out. And sometimes Bigfoot's saving kids. And sometimes Bigfoot is going into campsites or ripping people apart. And you hear all the above. And it's like, what is it? And it creates just in the Bigfoot space,

Just this massive divide of arguments of what it is. So what do you think Bigfoot is, John? Oh, here we go. We got here fine. I think it could be, I think it's most likely both ways. I think probably the Bigfoot creatures are not monolithic in their attitude towards humans. Because I absolutely believe the story of the little girl that was, this story was first came to light through day polites. And even if I remembered the little girl's name, I couldn't say it because this involves families and you can't say people's names with this stuff.

But it was a little girl that was, you know, she was about six or seven years old, very, very young, but still able to talk and describe things. So she had been missing and they said, they said to each other, you know, don't go further up the mountain. There's no way. The little girl was apparently naked because, you know, one of the things that always raises the alarm with investigators is when we see little children that have been stripped naked, but there's no sexual abuse. You know, that tells us there's something not human working here because every criminal in the world, when they strip clothing off of a person, it's for sexual abuse. That's part of the reason. But this is something very, very different because when you see little children with their clothing taken off, but there's no sexual abuse, it means something else is happening, something not human. So this little girl, like other little children, had her clothing stripped off, and she was eventually recovered way further up the mountain, a place that she could not have gotten to her own.

And we were able to recover her. And when they did, it was like at the foot of a very, around a very shallow cave. And they were able to get her back. And then she told the story. She said it was the big magic beard man. And they said to her, why do you? So you mean he had a beard on his face? And she said, yes.

And all over his body too, all over his body. There was a beard covering his entire body. And she said, and why do you call him magic? And she said, because he opened magic gateways, he was taking me to a crystal city, some sort of crystal city that was inside that cave. And it all opened up and it was beautiful. And she said, but then he was held back by something. Something let him not proceed any further with me. And of course, she also explained that he peeled her clothing off of her because he seemed to be offended by it.

Like it was something very unnatural and cumbersome. And that was the reason why he peeled clothing off of her. So she could be in a more natural state. And then he was just carrying her along into the Crystal City. He was not allowed to go there for some reason. And that's when he put her down and proceeded on his own. And then that's when she was recovered. And that's what she tells us.

It's wild. Yeah. So, I mean, that right there tells me. And I believe that story is true because this little girl just described it so accurately as far as what happened. and it all coincides with the circumstances of how she was found. And then she was recovered and, of course, probably now as a teenager, probably the little girl doesn't even remember this story because that's what tends to happen with trauma, kids.

With time, they tend to block it out. But I do believe what she said. But then again, I also believe the situations where hunters say that they have seen comrades being pursued by something. that was enormously large, it was enormously big, had a lot of power to it, had this voice that was so loud that they had to cover their ears for their eardrums not to be blown out. And then they've also seen these things kill certain individuals, certain animals and people as well.

So that's possible that also is true, which if that's also true, then that means there are Bigfoot type creatures that are benevolent towards people, and then there may be some that are also terrible towards people. But baddies. There's some baddies out there. And I believe both could be very well true as well. Yeah, and I think for me, that's kind of where politis came in because politis helped me sort of think beyond Bigfoot, you know.

Because I think at first when you get into the paranormal space, Bigfoot's an easy, like we say in our show, it's a gateway dream. drug. It's like the first really weird thing you can you can kind of, there's physical evidence for this creature. There's been documented sightings. There's some decent films. There's, there's footprints, there's castings, there's science. But then, you know, you get into the weird stuff like where clothes are folded and people just like the walk through a dimension. They're here and they're not here. There is no animal involved. There is, there is no explanation that's it's easy and then Bigfoot goes from just this undiscovered hominid, you know, that goes back to,

you know, gigantopithecus to something else. It's not as easy, it's not an easy answer anymore. And then, you know, UFOs, abductions and aliens and all this stuff starts coming into your worldview. And then who knows? From there, it's like everything just fall, the bottom falls out and you get more confused. Absolutely. But, but I wanted to say people should definitely see our movie, the one that I made with David Polite's recently. 411 missing, the UFO connection. John, John, actually, I wanted to ask you. I'm glad you brought that up.

I think when your interview, one of the reasons we were excited to try to talk to you was, and it was a comment that it was just sort of an aside, right? And I thought it was so profound. Because Dave's telling all these, he's so systematic in all of these cases. and the earmarks of all these cases and how he pairs them down and how they investigates these and how he classifies them, right?

And we're talking to you about the UFO stuff, you say, yeah, it's extra-dimensional and then you kind of move on. And I'm just like, whoa, whoa, whoa, can we go back to this real quick? Because I think that's a lot of things that we kind of believe or we delve into on our show,

but it's not the narrative you hear, right? It's always like this is extraterrestrial, which I can also buy that in the sense that like these things aren't of Earth, at least a lot of it isn't, but not in the sense of the way that people talk about extraterrestrial. So I wanted to ask you about that comment because you guys were in the conversation

and just kind of kept going. And I was like, man, John just said this is extra dimensional. And then I'm realizing you wrote a book about it. So I know this is, you've opined on this at length. But talk to us a little about when you're answering that question and thoughts because Dave was talking about some crazy stuff that was happening. There was cubes and people, and elk getting taken and people going to some other place.

But you're without a missing beat, said, this is extra-dimensional. Absolutely. And the reason I believe that is because just as I believe that that Bigfoot also is an extra-dimensional race that is phasing in and out of existence in our physical reality. And people have a hard time with that because Bigfoot is such a physical phenomenon, you know, breaking trees, throwing boulders. and this incredibly loud voice that just, I mean, people just blows their eardrums out. So because of that, specifically people have a hard time believing that Bigfoot is extradimensional in nature. But the first people that really introduced me to the reality of extradimensionality, that alien visitors are from other dimensions. It was the FBI when I was first given this report that I feature in my book,

the extra dimensions. It is a memo, a government memo from an FBI agent who is also a scientist. It's called, it has the numbers 6751, memo 6751. And it is at vault.gov.gov.fbi. And you just go into that site. It has all the declassified documents from the government, from the FBI, declassified over the years. And you can just go into there and then you go to there's a big label that says unknown mysteries something like that says unknown mysteries and if you click on that button it gives you animal mutilations UFOs uh extrasensory perception investigations it gives you all these different paranormal things and it also is uh amazing because this document says in it that an fbi agent is saying i have an informant my informant is super normal

timey way. This was in 1947. It's an old-timey way of saying is supernatural. It is this document. It's just a one-page memo. And all it says, and as a matter of fact, actually it's in here, it's right here with the strikeouts. You see those strikeouts? There's an awesome redactions. Yeah. It's a one-page memo. And it is on, if you go to that website that I just told you, you hit on unknown mysteries. And then it'll open. up UFOs. Well, you go to UFO group documents. Group number one. Go to page 22. That's it. That's the document, 6751. And you are able to download these for free. Everybody can get,

you can get as many old dusty government documents as you want from this site. I like it. And it's all free. It's all available. But this is probably the most downloaded document in the history of government documents. And basically it just says, my informant is a alien visitor. I mean, that's what he implies. Super normal, right? Supernormal. And he says, and because of who my informant is, a lot of you guys will not believe me,

but I still have to say it because people are desperate to know what these UFOs are. Again, it was 1947 when he did this. It was just before or around the time of Roswell when they set up the Roswell Psy-up. And basically he has eight conclusions in there that were given to him by his informant. And it basically just says, number one, these UFOs and the alien visitors are not physical. They're not physical because they do not belong to our universe. They are coming here from other levels of existence, from other lokas. Well, he uses the old Vedic terms, lokas, other levels of dimensions, other dimensions.

and they are able to physically manifest in our area, in our world temporarily. They're able to be temporarily physical, appear at least to be. And that's also, I believe that's involved with abductions as well, where they actually translate us into their space, their little pocket dimension of what's going on. It's like people going through walls and windows. Yes, yes, exactly. And so that's why I give a lot of instances of that too in my book. But what we're told in this document is that the UFOs are not made of metal, like we would make these ships of metal.

They're made out of a plasma-like substance, which also means shifting matter. They can shift matter from one type, from light to material, and they can shift back again. So in other words, they're able to appear and disappear, and they're able to become intangible. all of these things that I'm trying to tell people originally come from this document that's why people need to read this document and uh... John almost sounds like a valiant Thor thing right

like and I don't know if there's any is there's any truth to that you're right but like it's like sounds very much like valiant Thor and for all I know that could have been his informant for well I know it's 1957 so it but it's interesting that there's like this informant and then you know if if our listeners are a valiant thor even before the Sure, and if you're not familiar with that, I encourage you to take it, if you're listening to look it up, but there's

this whole story about this extraterrestrial, apparent extraterrestrial valiant Thor who showed up more or less on the White House lawn and then, you know, stayed. And he was a Nordic, right? Yes, yeah, and then stayed and hung out, right? And was interviewed at the Pentagon and had like some kind of silver suit that was like real tight fitting.

He was a boy band guy before boy bands, but or maybe an 80s rock before 80s rock, but you know, he dressed the part, but it's fascinating the same way because you know this kind of fits and when you think about 47 you think about the Eisenhower record which you know whether which is debated but you know I know his great granddaughter says it really happened um it has to do with the Roswell stuff and then you have the reverse engineering you have Bob Lazar and people want to shoot holes and all that stuff and that's fine but it's interesting to me that you know I think me what got me going with you is that

is that the FBI you have this idea of the things they do investigate murders across state lines, et cetera if you're into true crime, right? But you realize that there's like a lot of things that that when you were in and probably even now, they investigate that are weird. And we've had a Navajo Ranger on the show, John

Redbird Dover. And he kind of had a job like that all the time. Like, and I think it makes me feel like it's kind of like what you did where he was just like, yeah, whenever all the weird stuff on the res, we got. And he has, you know, Bigfoot and UFOs and all these a lot of things, same things. But man, I I got a lot. And the way, the way that we get them,

to fill in that piece for you is that the FBI, and I'm sure the Navajo police also have this thing called a police cooperation request, which means that even if something is not a federal violation within our purview, the head of a jurisdiction like a sheriff, police chief can just fill out this one-page form that says, look, I'm at the end of my rope. And if you guys have a subject matter expert in this, please send them to help me, even though, even if there's no violation here that falls under your organization. But if you have a subject matter expert, please send them to help me because I really need the help. I've got people disappearing. They're disappearing whenever these flying saucers show up.

And I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. There's nothing else we can do. So please send someone to help us. And that's how they get us to go and help them and do whatever we can to resolve these. very touchy issues that they have sometimes. That's how it happens. That's kind of what I was going to, that's a great segue.

I wanted to ask you about, you know, having this been a new 25 year career in the FBI, what are some of the more just, what are some of the cases to stand out like in some of these investigations for you? And I'm sure you've answered this question a lot, but I'm curious in some of the, you know, I know because we talked with the X files and some of these things that then it ended up in syndication and or in television because they were reality. But for you, what are like, you know, a few that really stand out as maybe they shifted your paradigm. Maybe it was something that was so mind-bending or hard to rationalize that it really stuck with you.

You know, well, the first one, the first greatest investigation that did that for me was when we were requested to go to a military base. I can't say which one. But we requested to go because there had been disappearances at this military base that nobody could explain. and a disappearance is different from, you know, murder or a crime. Right. Because a disappearance, as we all know from Dave Politey's, is something where there's nothing left. There's no evidence of anything.

There's no clues. There's nothing to look into because the person just disappeared like that. And sometimes they fold their clothing in a neat pile on their bed and then they're just gone. Yeah. So there's no signs of a struggle. There's nothing to investigate. So we had, there was a, there was a, there was, it was. military base commander basically a colonel commander who was in charge of his military base

and he had no answers he had no answers and he had these UFOs that kept sewing up right outside his base along and there was a group of hippies that had set up a regular observance servants hey no no offense guys the word hippies and um no just we're not we're not offended john you guys are mountain man that's right we just got hey throw the beers full you man I'm like, we're not. Yeah, I know, right? Yeah. Okay.

So these guys, they just had a regular observance. So we went to stand with the guys in the regular observance. Apparently, it happened like every, every one last Saturday of the month. And that's when it would happen. Like clockwork. Like clockwork, exactly. So we went to observe. And then these vehicles, they, well, sorry, this one vehicle, it was a UFO that was filled with light.

I mean, it just was giving off light as far as we could see. But it was nighttime, too. So we were more sensitive to that. Right. But this thing just came right at us. And then everybody ran, everybody ran, including myself and my partner. And then the thing just appeared to just come right on us. And we went flat and we were waiting to get crushed.

And then the thing just went right on us and disappeared. Went right through us into the ground. it seemed like. Wow. And it was it. It was gone. And then I got picked up by men who were just dressed. They looked like soldiers, but they were dressed in all black, no uniforms, no insignia at all.

And then they took me into the base because they interrogated me on how I summoned that UFO. And what did I have to do with the UFO that the thing just came right to me? And that was it. They interrogated on me on that. Wow. As an agent, you got interrogated by who, do you find out who these people are? No, I never did, except when we called back to FBI headquarters to get me released, they told us, oh, we know who those guys are.

Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. They're going to release him like any second. Just go stand at the gate. And my partners did. And then they just let me go through. What's your best thought, John? Is it?

I mean, it was CIA or? There were no soldiers in that base. at that time. It was all just these guys dressed in black uniforms. The base commander wasn't there. I mean, they had been evacuated out there. And it was only these guys that were there. And my best guess is that these guys are,

they're basically from the elite powers in control. They're from the, the cabal, basically. And they are part of the troops of the cabal because they had greater power than the base commander at that point. And they were the ones pursuing these UFOs to try to find that. Interesting. Wow.

It's almost like you have layers of military, and it seems like it corresponds, even with just, you have surface government agencies, and then you have these deep underground military bases. And then you also have just secret places in the world where they might meet up. And we've heard all this stuff on our show, and it gets really confusing. do you think that when you say interdimensional, are they able to just, are they, are they in our space and time, but they're able to manipulate time itself? And so it seems interdimensional. It seems like they phase in and out, but they could just be, they could always be here, but they can manipulate us and our space time. Yeah. Oh, exactly. They absolutely can. And we had a great investigator named Jim Mars, who, wrote a great book called The Alien Agenda. And one of the things that he determined in there, and I've spoken to him before, before he passed away, passed away a couple, I think it was a couple of years ago. But one of the, but he was a great, he was a superior investigator. And one of the things that he

investigated was whenever all these, whenever these cars would be driving on the highway underneath one of these UFOs that just show up. These UFOs just show up and start trailing these cars. And one of the things that happens is that the cars completely turn off. They turn off, all the electronics turns off, the car no longer runs, and it just stays there paused as the UFO comes in to do whatever business they're going to do. And one of the things that he determined is that he said all these people, all these, especially scientific types, are thinking that the UFOs are hitting the cars with an electromagnetic pulse to disrupt all the electronics. He says, that's not the case at all. He says, if you go and look at the mechanisms that are

still working and the ones that are not, he says some of them have no electronic component at all, and yet they are stopped. Mechanical processes are stopped completely. He says, what happens is not that they're using an electronic magnetic pulse, these real UFOs. What they're doing is they're stopping time in a bubble where the car exists. That's what they're doing. Because he said it's the only thing that explains all the mechanical processes being stopped at that moment the way that they are just cut off at the same moment in time as all the electronic processes also are cut off. So he says, that's what's going on. These things have the ability to to stop time in a limited space.

And he said, that's also probably how they accomplish the opening of some kind of pocket dimension where they control everything. And that's probably a component of abductions as well, where all of these people, you know, they'll always say, they'll always say, oh, no, aliens are physical. I know they're physical because they came and they abducted me. And so you're not going to tell me that that probing I went through wasn't physical because I know it was. So that's one of the things we come up against because it's hard to explain to those people that it really is starting to appear that it wasn't physical. That what they do is they're translating the person.

They open up, they stop time and then they open up this other dimension. It's sort of like a pocket dimension where they have total control of everything. and because if they weren't, they wouldn't have so much control over the subjects in these situations. And they use this pocket dimension to do their abductions, their whatever, they're taking samples, all those things. So that's how that works. And it's, you know, it's kind of counterintuitive. So people have a hard time understanding it. But it's also part of the great campaign that they always are pushing forward.

of alien imminency. That's a good way of putting it. Alien imminency. They want you to believe that aliens are completely physical and they could show up at any time on the White House lawn. Anytime. It could happen like that tomorrow. But it can't because they are not physical.

They would have a very hard time showing up on the White House lawn for everyone to see and everyone to talk to. And when and if that does happen, it's going to be the most of the most of them. man-made aliens that are going to be showing up there. That's the reason why we need to educate ourselves about this, because there is a coming great deception that is going to be arriving very soon. And we see pieces of it coming in to view because this is a long-term project for them.

It is, like Vernor von Braun said, it is the last great conflict that the elites are going to set up in order to unify all humanity behind, or I should say under them, underneath them. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's very difficult because you have Saip, beneath Saip, behind Saip. And, you know, we have a lot of people who go down all kinds of funky rabbit holes. And we limit ourselves a little bit with creatures. But we talk about a lot of these things on our show. And we go back to, you know, the ancient world.

and they were building things beyond, you know, human capability. They were, they had this technology. Like, there was an exchange back in the day. And so we talk a lot about that on our show. What do you think? I guess the question is, is you've opened up the can of worms of like, so they, there are, there are sort of like the grays, right? A lot of people say they're these lifeless of, like, fleshy robots.

and they're taking people and they're doing experiments. And even David Politis is talking about some of that on our episode of these weird abductions and they're going on craft and they're, how do you piece this together? How do you put together a framework to understand what's going on? Because, I mean, anything could be true at this point when you start introducing these robotic aliens and then you have the real aliens and you have the fake UFOs, you have the real UFOs. It's just, it gets more complicated, I guess. It does. I think you have to develop a spiritual intuitive sense in these things because I'll tell you,

even if you think that you're not a spiritual individual, you are. You are. And your spirit can discern when something is evil or something is good. I've seen, I've had many people who have these alien encounters and they have healed them of diseases, healed them of conditions and made them much, much better. Yeah, it was like Carl in the film.

Right? Didn't he have, he had TB scars, then he came back. I think it was Carl, right? And then he doesn't have them. Exactly. Which is odd, right?

Because... Yeah, absolutely. Because you feel like the most experiences are people like getting sexual experiments or getting, you know, sex cells and sperm or eggs taken. and or pregnancies taken and you have all these which is odd that there's sort of this other thing that kind of happens every once in a while the real the real purpose behind mutilations

animal mutilations uh even human mutilations that happens sometimes that human abductions is harvesting of tissue harvesting of tissue these are this is really the real purpose of these of these incidents as as they go as they happen because apparently there are alien races that are building up these enormous banks of human tissue that I believe eventually they're going to be sending back to us in other forms, in mutated forms, in the same way that the Anonaki untold millennia ago also used human tissue and other hybrid tissue to create all kinds of weird things that they did. And I think we're going to be facing that again in the future. When these banks, these banks of tissue, human and animal tissue as well from various sources,

this has been going on for thousands of years. So imagine how big those banks are, those banks of tissue that they are going to use for a very important purpose later on. That's what we're facing. That's going to be scary. When we get all that tissue back. Well, it's the genetic stuff. stuff, right? That's what we see in the biblical narrative. We think that we see Genesis 6 and we see all flesh is corrupted. So both you have human hybrids and you have animal hybrids and you have these. Yeah, I mean, it's a circle, right? And it's interesting because I like, you know, you talk about how this is all culminating to this, this grand deception. And if you, you know, our shows a lot about all of the stuff through the biblical narrative and you think about like what eschatology and what happens

in in Revelation. And that's the same thing, right? It's the, you know, of the world underneath the Antichrist. And we talk about the Kabbal and you have this grand deception. It's going to have to be something like that in order to unite humanity. And this is something we talk about the show all the time. I think I harp on this more than anything. It's like, how are you going to get Chechens and Russians? How are you going to get Sunnis and Shia Muslims?

How are you going to get, you know, the American and the Chinese and the, and the Jews and the Arabs and all these people to unite, right? Independence Day. Yeah, it really is this existential crisis. I think I think you've nailed it. That has to be it. be a threat to humanity or a perceived threat to humanity that causes everybody to be like, well, let's just forget about the fact we've been fighting for millennias because, you know,

this is about survival. And I do believe that. I think the longer, the more that we charge through in our show, it's like, dude, this is how it has to be. I don't see how it happens any other way. You know, and even in the cult traditions, there's prophecies about this philosopher king that's supposed to come. And it's essentially the Antichrist that you see in the revelation and in the biblical narrative. And I think it's, I wanted to ask you this, because you, you, You talked about in the book, how some of the things you've talked about have come true. And then when we were talking about this, you said, you believe that some of the next things will see are the UFOs, UAPs, whatever they call it in the mainstream media.

Would it be kinetically taking down our aircraft? Would it be commercial. It's just really scary to think about. And then our military. What else do you think is going to happen here in the nearer term? And we can talk about, because we don't know what timeline is, but I'd love to hear. I can tell you one thing, when that happens, we're going to. going to have all of our airliners, all of our aircraft is going to be grounded worldwide.

And the world leaders are going to say, we have to do this in order to resolve this problem and do some negotiation with the aliens. And that's going to be one of the ways to get to us because people are going to say, well, what? So we can't travel anywhere until this is resolved? Okay, well, yeah, maybe we should unite behind them. Also contemporaneous with that. Another thing that's going to happen is that the world, world governments are going to announce that they just found out that about 50% of humankind are actually alien hybrids. Oh boy. Okay. And that in order for them to follow this out to its logical conclusion, everyone has to turn in their DNA, kind of going along with what's been going on in this COVID crisis.

The last couple of years, right? This sounds like a dry run. Yes. Yes, and it's going to be based on some of what they've laid down during that period, and they're going to say, hey, everybody, turn in your DNA. We need to collect it. We need to read it very carefully because only we know the criteria of how we know if you're an alien hybrid, because the aliens are telling us that we need to figure this out right now. And so a lot of people are going to be all for that because, you know, it's going to be, I guess it's going to be kind of like a privileged position to be. to be found to be an alien hybrid. So a lot of people are going to be okay with this. And they're going to say, everybody has to turn in their DNA in order for this to work.

Same thing as the vacuctions that have been going on in the recent past. And it's going to be, well, everyone has to do it. And then it's going to be a whole world of pressure for everybody to turn in their DNA to the government in order for them to make this determination. Is it a caste system or is it genocide? Does a state sponsor genocide? What do you think they're going to do with that? Oh, they are going to use it for bad purposes.

And there's going to be a lot of resistance against turning in your DNA to the government for any purpose. And then we're going to have that's going to be more chaos on top of these UAPs attacking our cities probably and actually creating real destruction. and people believe that it's going to be pretty holograms at that time, Project Blue Beam, and they're going to say, oh, you know, the UFOs aren't, the UAPs aren't real. They are going to be real. The holograms can be used to do what Hollywood calls sweetening, where they can take, you know, 20 UAPs and make them look like 2000, you know.

But that first row, if they get you, they can kill you regardless, regardless how many holograms are around. So that's going to be what we're facing. It's going to be crazy, guys. And that's why we need some spiritual discernment to be able to know when something is real and when it's not. Yeah. Just so we stockpile ammo as well. Oh, yes.

Yeah, that's been my ammo for a while now is just keep on collecting. You know, here in Arizona, everybody has guns. Everybody has guns. And we've had these incidents. And these incidents have happened all over, all over the United States. We had this, the Phoenix lights that occurred in 2008, occurred in 1996, and then occurred again in 2008. And you know that there were several law enforcement types and people who were gun enthusiasts who actually saw this giant black, two mile long vehicle going low and slow over the Phoenix Mountains. and a bunch of people pulled out their firearms and were ready to shoot this thing.

You know, and that probably happened in dozens of situations. You know, every single one of those people got some kind of a mental communication from somewhere that said to them, no, don't shoot at this thing. It's not a good idea. Put it away. Put it away. And every single one of those people took their firearm, put it away. And did not shoot.

Did not shoot. Sounds like the South John. We're in the south here. We're in Tennessee. So it's like, we always make a, I make a joker once in a while about that if, you know, if they could shoot it down, they would. And then they'd barbecue it. See what tastes like, you know, we're in Texas, Tennessee. What doesn't matter?

So, I mean, over the years, has your perspective changed a lot? Have you honed in on some ideas? Because it sounds like you've got, you know, on our show, we talk a lot about what are the demons, what are the ancient demons? demons are spirits. They're the spirits of the dead giants, you know, that supposedly were hybrids, the fallen ones, right? And it sounds like some of these, it's like angelic beings, angels, you know, if we believe the biblical story, and we do on our show, it's like you have them helping people, them interacting with humans from day one, you know, angels roll on the scene and so many Bible stories. And where are they from? They're not from. They're not human. They're not here with us. And so a lot of Christians who are sort of have a very elementary view of this whole realm. They just slap demons on everything. And we tried on our show just to say, look, no, demons are like wandering spirits.

It's a very, very classified entity in the Old Testament and the New Testament, obviously, too. But it's not that easy. And so we get a lot of debates, John. So it's always good to kind of put more framework and get a hierarchy of. what's going on to help people make sense. Because I do believe a deception is going to come, but a lot of people think it's all fake. It's all holograms.

There is no actual aliens. There is no actual any of these things. So it's good to do these interviews because I think my heart is to help people not be deceived by the multiple sciops going on at the same time. Well, you know, the Bible is loaded with descriptions of UFOs and alien-like creature. and it's all over the place. I mean, in the book of Revelations, one of the final things

that's going to be happening during the apocalypse is that it says, it says these creatures are going to come out of the earth, which many UFOs do come out of the earth and volcanoes and things of that sort. And these creatures are going to come out

and they're going to kind of look like scorpions, but they're actually going to be locusts. And they're going to have the power to use their tails to torture men and women, and they're going to be unstoppable. And they're going to be these creatures that seek out men and sting them, and that these things will be so bad that men will wish to die. They will not be able to die.

Come on. I mean, that's telling you a lot of information. And as an investigator, just a simple investigator, you could just tell the Bible is the only sacred book that is actually true based on one criteria. It's the only book, and people can argue against this all day. It just runs by me like white noise. It's the only sacred book that actually has the original writings that have been miraculously found all over the Middle East and other parts of the world as well. And every single word.

It's unchanged. Thank God for a Jewish scholarship. Right. Because these guys, they found every single word that was in the Bible. And as a matter of fact, even today, you can go to something called Blue Letter Bible Search. And you can actually look up any verse and then go to the original Hebrew or the original ancient Greek. Right. That was also used for the New Testament.

And you can find every single word. There's no other sacred book that you can. No. And there's copies like where you, I mean, the Dead Sea Scrolls, right? Well, they find them. They go, man, this is all, I mean, that's why we talk about books in the apocrypha, even like Enoch, which had been not canonized. And there's a lot of reasons.

And we're not getting to that in this show on this episode at all. But the idea that it does, it exists. It was the second most copied book for the Aseans. And it predates everything. It predates Christ. And you go, okay, there's something to some of this. And then in addition to that, you have all of these copies. And then it's just, it's validation.

Right. And you go, so I'm with you, man. I think it's a, man, that's where we live in our show. And I think everything you're talking about with a great deception just makes sense when we talk about eschatology and trying to understand what happens at the end. Because, you know, when you open up the Bible, when you read Revelation, you look at the things you're talking about and you go, things like they'll beg for death and it won't come to them and you have these interesting, you know, and people talk about prophetic iconography and it's,

you know, but John is describing something he's seen and he's a, you know, a first century human. And we are now in 2023. And he knows when the end of days will become. It often feels like we're close, but everybody thought they were close, right? But this UFO thing, I think, man, the more that we get into this and talk to people, folks like you and Dave and a bunch of folks that we've had on the show, it just feels like this, this feels like the chair in the top of the deception. Like this is how you, if you're trying, if you're trying to do the things in sort of uniting

the world underneath a cabal, and we've talked about a lot of this NWO and one world government. I mean, that's what happens at the end, right? And in Revelation, if you subscribe to the biblical narrative, which we do, it's got to happen somehow. And Reagan 87, I think, nailed it whether he meant to or not. Maybe he did mean to, I don't know. Just an aside question, just an aside question, we talk about this, John.

Like, retired FBI. And you talk about a lot of interesting paranormal and things people would say is fringe, and that's where we live. So that's not slight in any means. That's, we do. Do you ever get concerned a little bit about talking about this stuff? You know, as far as exposure and or, you know, we talk about the government here as far

like your own safety. I mean, I don't want to make this a dark ending by any means to our show. But like, I wonder sometimes because if you expose the truth to people that are committed to lying, that becomes a problem, right? Not for me. I never have a concern about that at all. And there's several reasons for that. The first one is because when I talk to my friends at the FBI or any other intelligence community as well, they see all of my work as being labeled as paranormal.

So they cannot, government heads cannot get into their brain that something labeled paranormal could also be true. Right. You see? So for that reason, whenever I write a book, the FBI is supposed to approve it. and they do. They prove it because it's all labeled paranormal and none of it has the actual information about, you know, they're concerned about me telling someone what Obama used to do on weekends at the White House when he used to have his hot dog parties. Let's have a show. Let's have a show about that. That they would be concerned about.

See, that they would say, oh, no, you're, you cannot. This is causing problems for us. You know, you can't. Like, we don't know what was going on. with that guy? I mean, we all know that. That's not a secret. Right. It's not a secret at all, unfortunately. So they can just kind of push you to the fringe and it's safety in some ways, right? Because they can just, it's sort of like we can just discredit this or we can say this is fringy or this is just, this is woo-woo stuff, right? And well, they don't, they don't feel they have a need to discredit it because they feel anything that you say that's paranormal. Well, that's what I meant, really. That's what I meant. Like, if you say it's paranormal, then they're like, eh, you know,

this is like ghost hunters and you're like except it's not right and so they don't care at all not a bit not a bit at all so that's why i don't i'm not concerned about that ever at all really dude i now i want to have like an off-the-record show and just talk about stuff that isn't going to go out to the public yeah well i mean yeah you got obviously you know a lot of people are skeptical especially in our in our channels they are just always well you know like you said tom de long I remember listening to him on Rogan's show and every other word. I can't talk about that. I can't talk about that.

I can't talk about that. And it was just like, what can you talk about? You know, at least talk about something you can't. And it just got annoying after a while. And a lot of people just tune out. So you have people, they're checking in. They want to get information. People are seeing things.

People want to know what's going on. And it's just this endless, well, I'm too cool for you. That's how you know a fake when somebody is pretending to be something. whatever it is, but they don't have any, they have this, oh, no, that's secret, that's secret. You know, so many things that we have done as FBI agents were secret for a period, for a short period of time, but then they went out to the public because a lot of times the New York Times illegally revealed a lot of this information about these big investigation. The New York Times revealed everything about the FISA court, if you guys know what that is.

That was one of the greatest top secrets, the existence of that court, which was a star chamber, basically. And the New York Times in the late 90s just decided, we're going to tell everybody about this and we're going to print it. And they didn't worry one bit about if they were going to go to prison because Bush was at the first Bush was president at the time. He said, we're going to send all those New York Times reporters to prison for violations of the Espionage Act. We're not even supposed to know the word FISA today. But that was changed because the New York Times printed everything about that. And they violated the espionage. But because they're with the cabal, none of them were ever.

Well, it feels like now, John. Like, no, there's no justice anymore. Exactly. Across the board, right? Well, if you're on, if you play for one team, there's no, no justice, no retribution, I mean. Right. Right. What are like a couple of stories?

that you have in your career that changed your paradigm the most, that maybe were the hardest, the most head scratching, that left you kind of walking away, wondering, kind of reset you completely, you know, because sometimes we hear those stories and it's just like, man, I thought I understood a few things, but now I don't know. I can tell you the story of the gray baby from, this is from my book, The Power Investigators.

There was a trooper who worked with the FBI from time to time. His name was Trooper Lopez. It's not his true name, but that's what we called them. That's what we call him at this point. Trooper Lopez was over on, it was Highway 66 or something. It was going through parts of California, desert town, desert town, California. And he was just waiting, he was just waiting by the soft gravel road there, just kind of sitting there waiting for speeders. Anyway, he had this old, old Lincoln,

Cadillac, just zoomed by him going 100. And he just got ready. He did the pursuit. He pulled this thing aside. Again, it was a nice sort of shady area on the shoulder of the road there. He pulled this vehicle over. As he was approaching the vehicle, you know, he was this typical, you know, big, swaggering, macho kind of guy. And he was not concerned about Pien by himself on this call at all. He put his hand on his gun, he kind of swaggered up to the vehicle, and the windows were open, were open all the way on this vehicle. And he looked into the front, and as he was approaching, as he got right up to the window, he said the atmosphere changed, the air changed. Everything became shady and dark. It had been a very sunny day, but suddenly everything had like sort of an unnatural gloom as he approached up to the window of this car.

And he looked into the front seat. There was nothing there. Nothing in the front seat. And he said, okay, so he backed up and he looked into the back. And there was a figure crouched down in the back seat of this car. And he heard kind of like mulling sounds from it. It appeared to be the figure of a woman cradling and cooing to a baby that was in swaddling,

blanket wrapped in the swaddling blanket. And she was kind of whispering to it and playing with it. And he shouted out to the back, the driver. He said, driver, come, come forward. I can't see you. I can't see what you have in your hands either. She said, he's yelling at the person, you know, come forward, come forward. You know, he did his law enforcement persona, take command of the situation, and make sure you neutralize everything in the area. And the lady in the back seat was kind of like not listening to him. He repeated again louder. You know, come forward, come forward.

And show me what you have in your hands. Show me what you have in your hands. There was a moment. She kind of looked up and he could see that she was kind of a skeletal kind of death's head kind of face. It appeared to be a woman, scraggly bits of hair. It kind of looked like an old witch. I mean, she was just desiccated. She was just like a wrinkled kind of old crone she looked like.

And then he repeated to her. He repeated into the car, again, which was unnaturally dark. I mean, he couldn't barely see things. And he said, show me what you have in your hands. And then these two wrinkled arms just came out of the car right up to where he was and showed him the dark, dead figure of a baby that had been dead for so long it actually was starting to go gray, like a dark gray. There was a dribble of blood from the corner of its mouth, and it was swollen, puffy. horrific fake and then the smell hit him like a wall I mean it just got it was like being hit he said it was like being hit by tear gas it got into his eyes into his nose and it hit

him like a physical wall the smell he said he'd never smelled anything like it it was like dead rotting flesh but turned up all the way up like he'd never even guessed ever before And it just hit him like a wall and just backed him up, backed him up from this thing, this sort of baby that was put in his face. And he said, he started shouting to the person as he was backing up. He said, go back. Go back into the back seat. Go back into the back seat. Just stay there.

Don't, don't move. And he swears. He saw the baby's eyes start to fall. flutter like they were going to open at that moment. And then she withdrew that thing back in. And he said, stay in the back seat. He yelled at her. Stay in the back seat. And he said he felt something in his soul. It just felt like a piece of ice just taking over his inside of his chest and his stomach. And then he just went back to his vehicle. And he radioed. He radioed for he said for everybody. Ambulance for for the FBI, for the troop.

to respond. He wanted, he radioed for everybody, and he sat by his car and he opened the door to his car because he didn't want to look at that person. Again, when he got to look at her, again, she looked like a skeletal kind of old witch. And he said he just stayed there by his car. He said she could have just walked away if she wanted to. He wasn't going to stop her because what he felt inside of his soul was chilling. Wow. And he did not, he lost all the veneer of being the macho police officer who takes care of situations and he just sat there by his car until people started responding troopers came troopers came other CD people came police department local came fire department also responded because they were they were looking at a dead body there right

he says at least he was assuming although he saw its eyes open at the last second uh so So he said he didn't know what was going on. But they did respond. They came and he said he just stayed shivering by his car on the floor next to his car sitting with the door open so he wouldn't have to see her. And then he said as everyone responded, they finally were able to coax her out of the, she was actually a young girl, but she looked like she weighed about 70 pounds. She was skeletal.

And the only time he heard her start saying something above a whisper was when they started actually taking the baby from her. And then he heard her loudly say, don't take, don't take our baby. Don't take our baby from us. And he looked over and she was looking straight at him. And it kind of chilled him again because she was looking straight in his eyes. And as they were pulling the baby from her and she kept yelling, don't take, don't let them take our baby from us.

And she was just screaming right at him as he said that. And he said it was such a mistake to look over because he felt it all happening all over again. And then they did take the baby. Here's the normie explanation of what happened. She had been in a stash house, a drug house of some sort. And there had been a police raid from the local police department. They came in.

They shut up. They shot up her boyfriend. friend, everybody else in the place got shot and she was only able to scoop up. And this was like, this was like two states away that this happened. She had been driving for hours in that vehicle. And she basically just was able to scoop up a stash of methamphetamines, take that and then grab the baby, which apparently had been dead for a very long time in its crib. And she basically took that thing, took the pills and got into that vehicle and just started. started driving across two states.

And that's when he later caught up to her. And all of this was being explained by a fellow trooper to him as he sat on the ground. And his friends were saying, dude, are you okay? It's okay. You couldn't have done anything for that baby. There was nothing you could, because they could see that he was out of it. He was completely out of it. And they said, listen, the baby had been dead for weeks, for weeks at that point.

There was nothing you could have done. Nothing you could have done could have made this better, nothing at all. And his final remarks to his friends were, I don't care about that baby. I don't care about that baby at all because something happened to me that I care about. And I want to see if I can fix it because he felt that that baby was something purely evil that was in it, something purely evil that it was trying to infect him with. And he said, that's what happened. And he later got out on a psych out of the law enforcement.

So he's no longer working law enforcement. He says as a result of the mental stress that he suffered in that incident, the incident of the gray baby. And what I found out later was that the gray baby, baby is actually, it's actually a supernatural phenomenon that is called the Tienek. It is in the Philippines, they have, I would say, well, some people say legends, I would say it's a reality because it's in the newspapers over there all the time. The Tienek is a baby that they failed to bury within a certain time, a baby that dies, let's say.

and a baby that does not receive proper last rights and is not buried within, you know, one day or something like that. In the Philippines, they have the legend that these babies turn into monsters if you don't. And they seek, they develop fangs and they seek to do evil wherever they can out of revenge for not being buried, I guess. That is the Tianak. and I found that out years after the case this case had occurred. And I said, okay, that's got to be connected to this. That has to be connected to this because it's the only supernatural phenomena that we find that is a baby monster demon of some kind.

And if you look at the Philippines newspapers, they have people that swear that they're confronted by these babies, these baby monsters all the time. They happen. Well, when those things, and that's a real thing. It's in the newspapers all the time in the Philippines. And apparently it happened here as well in the story of the gray baby. I think some of those stories are the ones that stick with us.

You know, we talked a little bit about on our show about like these haunted trains that run through. There's some sort of trauma loop and ghost ships and things like that that seem to be outside of some sort of creature. it's some sort of, it's like a period of time with some trauma attached to it, and it just sort of goes in a circle. And sometimes it appears physical. Sometimes people can have evidence of this haunting. And it's weird, because it's not like a ghost. It's not like an apparition that just sort of floats through. It's like, it appears to be a physical phenomenon that's happening. Like, we told this one story of this, the guy gets on a ghost train, and he has the pull cord wrapped in his pocket and he gives it to his boss and says,

I rode the ghost train and he's like, he's like, you're making up this story. He pulls out this rip cord and he's like, and his boss freaked out because he's like, we haven't had those in cars for years. And it's bizarre that some of these haunting stories can appear physical. I mean, it could have been, who knows if, you know, obviously the government's going to give you the official narrative,

but maybe that car is always on that freeway and she's always that lady with the baby, and she's haunted for years, these people. And to get back, kind of like maybe to get, to get back to what we were talking about earlier in the conversation, what do you tell people, like, when the great deception, like, what do you, how do you give people advice? And because I'm sure it always comes down to, like,

a spiritual question of how do I not get deceived? How do I know what's happening? How do I make sense of these alien creatures? Are they angels? are they good, are they bad, are they evil, are they, you know, what are some things, some sort of, I mean, obviously, in our show, we use the Bible to and the paranormal together, but I don't, not everyone can go there. I'm just curious what you, some of those conversations you have with people. Well, first of all, I want to tell you, very soon, the Bible, I truly believe this is going to happen,

the Bible is going to be outlawed by pretty much every nation on the earth. And there's going to be huge penalties for being in possession. It's happened before, John. It's happened before. It was going to be the first time, right? I mean. Yeah. And amazingly, no other sacred book will be outlawed.

Of course not. It'll just be, it'll just be the Bible. Or anything that mentions Jesus Christ also will be banned. And that's going to happen. It's already happening in many countries around the world. but it's going to happen in every country except it's especially this one so and those bible apps that we love to use those are going to be erased so you better make sure you have your physical copy of the bible as soon as you can make sure make sure you can read it too it's not the

old king james right because you have to learn the thows and and wittles and you know you got to no the king james is worth it oh sure yeah you got to learn some new words right if you're yeah yeah It's worth it to do it because the King James is one of the most accurate translations that we have, basically. I mean, that's the truth. But even if it's not, again, like I said, you have the original language available right now. So everybody can go back and see, you know, did Jesus really drink wine or did he drink grape juice? You know, no, it's not. He drank wine.

He drank real wine. And it's right there in the words. So anyway, but the point of that is that the Bible is, a very good guide for us. But when I, going to your question, Nate, what do I tell people? I have to tell them, I have to tell them the same thing. I tell them, read my books, please. Just read my books. You know, borrow them, get them. They're at the library, by the way. Get my books because that is where I have fleshed out the explanation of what we're supposed to do in this final period that we are in right now, these last breaths of a dying civilization that we're in the middle of.

right now. And I explain the self-defense of people, what they need to do for self-defense, to defend themselves, take care of themselves, to be able to discern when you're being lied to, when you're being led down the primrose path, when you're being led the wrong way and be able to, because there's no other way I can really do it. You know, I do lectures and presentations also. But my books are the most in-depth way. Really, the extra-dimensional is the best way to explain this whole reality, this whole reality that is traveling at breakneck speed towards the great deception that we're facing now. Yeah, dude.

And the abduction, my last question is like, so, you know, a lot of guys have said they've been taking, they've been abducting humans, taking pregnancies, building the army for Armageddon. You talked earlier about they're going to take our samples and say half of us are alien hybrids. Are they building a war for Armageddon? You know, is that kind of what this breeding program is like getting human beings hybrid enough so they can bend the rules, so to speak? Yeah, absolutely. That's true. That's very perceptive of you.

Yes, that is one of the things they want to do is be able to bend the rules by creating their own races of, human hybrids and maybe they can connect to directly so that they can bend the rules and come up with that connection back to creator. That's what the alien races really, really want. I often have people who are Christians who criticize me and just, and they read my books and they tell me, why don't you just say that aliens are demons? Why don't you just say aliens are demons? It's just, just come right out and say that. You know, you should. And what I tell them at times is if you read my books carefully, the real truth is much worse. Aliens, they're not demons.

What they are is they are created races. They are created by angels, possibly. Possibly angels create the ones that help us, the alien races that actually are on our side. it looks like that's what is happening here. And that's not biblical at all, but it's just the sense that I have from how removed these aliens are from the creator source, from the creator of our universe. And it just really seemed,

and from what I see the Anunaki did and the Nephilim did in the past, it just really looks like it's actually the truth is that these alien races are actually, in some capacity created by angels and demons as well. That's how I'm looking at it. We're still in Genesis 6. So that's not, I mean, it's not like one of the things,

John, that we talk about is that, like, if you look around Earth here where we live, this is our realm, right? And you look at the diversity of flora and fauna, millions of difference of types of life and plants and,

and animals and insects. And I think we'd kind of be remiss if we didn't, if we didn't think of the spiritual realm. We want to talk about dimension's realms. It's all, it's all semantics, right? The idea that there isn't a diversity of life there as well, right? I think we get very binary in the church and think about angels, demons, and that's in God.

And that's it, right? But I think we would really cut ourselves short to think that there isn't sort of a mirroring, in the sense of diversity, a mirroring sense of life on the other side, if you will. And so I think I'm there with you in a lot of ways. Like I, there is, it'd be tough to think that there's just, there's just two, things or three things when we look around us and there's, you know, 800 different types of frogs you're going like, I don't know how, you know, I don't, but guess what? In the spiritual realm, you got just three things, man, God, angels and demons, you know, and Satan's in there

somewhere. And it's like, well, I think that's just a little, it's a little short-sighted. So, I mean, I'm semantically, I think that's, I think you're onto it. I think that we are, I don't think we completely understand, you know, and I think we look at Revelation, realized there are streets and buildings and there's civilization in what what the biblical writers talked about in the sense of heaven or the heavenly realms so there's this other civilization that's much older than we are that predates us if you ascribe to jobe and the sons of god stood and cheered at the creation of the earth and there are these there's an angelic race that predates us and and there's a fall so and then we know what happened like you said with the nephalum and in genesis six and

Man, it's crazy. It's been really cool to talk. I think that along with Dave and you, we didn't talk to someone who was in law enforcement and who's very empirical and really regimented in their thought and understanding and breaking down things from like in a case, in a case parameter, right, where you go, here's the evidence, here's what it says. But then to kind of get to talk to you because you've got the weird stuff, which is really cool because that's kind of we live in the weird stuff, which is awesome. It's been a treat, man. I feel like at the end we were around because it's yeah I know like it's like there's so many things I wish we could we could pick your brain on and here we are and we've been you know a couple of almost a couple hours into it so you've got a new book we always want to give you a shot you talked about at the top but again remind us you know our listeners will want to want to find you find your books try to engage with you and what you do and your work and so we want to get people a shot to to do that and give a chance to shout that out yeah my my book that is it's just it's number one

bestseller on Amazon in the area of UFOs and a couple of other categories too. It's the extra dimensional's true tales and concepts of alien visitors. It's gone tremendously all over the world and it really explains the truth about alien visitors and UFOs and who they are, what they are, and why do they want to connect with you so badly? And also, how we need to know what real UFOs are so that we'll know when the government comes up with fake ones that are coming at us at breakneck speed right now. So that's that's, oh, and my website is John Tama Books

at John TamaBooks.com for all of my books with a discount, discount, just put in FBI 20, FBI 30. Oh, look too, man. A little nugget for everybody out there. I like that. But most people, Google tells me, and most people find me by just Googling my name, John DeSouza, the way it's spelled right here.

Right here, John DeSuzza, and they just find all my books and all my stuff and my websites that way. So, yeah, I'm looking forward to talking with your audience and your people, guys, because I know they're very special and very good thinkers. Thanks, John. Yeah.

Dude, I want to pick your brain about Peru, but we'll do that another time. because you said your wife is from South America. Yes, South America, Ecuador. Ecuador. It's close. I mean, you know, we haven't, we never been. I mean, that's like Clay's saying like Canada, it's close to America, you know, you kind of tell me about something.

Just make sure you don't have cash in your wallets when you're. Just leave your wallets at home. Right, when you're traveling to another place, just make sure. Well, John's been a pleasure, man. Hey, thanks for your time. Thanks for being, hey, thanks for being flexible. I know that we moved this a few times. So thanks for being really cool about that.

It's all good. Thank you so much, Luke, Nate. It's been good stuff, interesting stuff. And you guys keep doing what you're doing. It's pretty awesome stuff. Thank you. We'll do it again, hopefully. We'll have to ping you and see if you're going to come back at some other time.

Yeah, yeah. Awesome. All right. Good deal. Thanks, John. We'll let you know. Yeah, have a good one.