Blurry Creatures - EP: 173 UFO Crash Sites with Derek Olson

Episode Date: June 7, 2023

This week in a bombshell disclosure, a former military intelligence whistleblower went public alleging that the US has retrieved craft of "non-human origin". With all major news outlets covering the revelation of UFO craft recovery, we bring back Megalithic Marvels creator Derek Olson to cover three historical accounts of major UFO crashes and alleged recoveries. The incident at Roswell is far and away the high water mark for alleged UFO crash sites, however, this is not the only famous case of an unknown craft crashing on American soil.  A student of the Golden Age, Derek brings a unique perspective and curiosity to walk us through eyewitness accounts, government cover-ups, and even some ancient anomalies found at these mysterious crash sites. Guest: megalithicmarvels.com Intro song: 86” contact: [e-mail] blurrycreatures.com Socials instagram.com/blurrycreatures facebook.com/blurrycreatures twitter.com/blurrycreatures Music Kyle Monroe: tinytaperoom.com Aaron Green: https://www.instagram.com/aaronkgreen/ Mastering: ironwingstudios.com Outro Song: TimeCop1983: timecop1983.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Welcome back to blurry creatures. We are we're 100 miles an hour all the time talking about creatures, unknown creatures which gets us into spiritual entities, UFOs, aliens, Bigfoot giants, all the all the above. If you're just joining us, we have Derek from Agalithic Marvels on. Today, Derek's got an awesome channel, talks about the Golden Age, these pre-flood societies who built some pretty amazing stuff and we've had them on the show five or six times. He was at our conference. Good dude. Love Derek. We're going to hop into some UFO crashes, some famous ones. But before that, we have some stuff that's in the news today.

And so we thought it would be cool to read some of that. Because this is really pressing and timely. That every day it seems like more and more stuff's coming out that they have technology from somewhere. Yeah. I mean, it's amazing how these things seem to happen because this show has been scheduled for a while. We've been talking and thrown around this idea of talking about, these historical crashes of UAP, UFO unknown craft. What has happened, what the accounts are,

and sort of how those have hit and then sort of removed from the mainstream media. But we're in a time now, as we've talked about a lot, that this phenomena is now mainstream, whether it be the idea of the U.S. and Canada allegedly shooting down UFOs earlier in the year, or, you know, of course, the declassification of the Tic Tac video,

It is not slowly really in the last year or so, but very much fire hose light coming out into the mainstream. And today, June 5th, this hit the wire. Intelligence officials say the U.S. has retrieved craft of non-human origin. This is from the debrief, an article by Leslie Keene and Ralph Blumenthal. And it says a former intelligence official turned whistleblower has given Congress and the Intelligence Community Inspector General extensive classified information about deeply co-consuminginging overt programs that he says possess retrieved intact and partially intact craft of non-human origin. The information he says has been illegally withheld from Congress, and he filed a complaint alleging that he suffered illegal retaliation for his confidential disclosures reported here for the

first time. Other intelligence officials, both active and retired with the knowledge of these programs through their work in various agencies, have independently provided similar corroborating information both on and off the record. The whistleblower is David. David Charles Grush, 36, a decorated former combat officer in Afghanistan, is a veteran of the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency and National Reconnaissance Office. He served as the reconnaissance office's representative to the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force from 2019 to 2021, and from late 2021 to July 2022, who's the NGA's co-lead for UIP analysis and it's representative to the task force.

And it's a long article, you can read the rest of this, but essentially this guy with pretty spotless credentials has said that this information and the reality of non of craft of non-human origin being recovered by the United States is true and been with health from Congress. So if you haven't seen this, please take a look and read the entire article. But this is phenomenal timing as we are going to get into some historical examples with Derek Olson of craft crashing and being recovered by the U.S. government. And as always, it's our immense pleasure to welcome Derek Olson to the show.

Yeah. And one thing I didn't say on the show episode that I thought that I think it was good noting was that I remember when Diana Posulco came on the show, she wrote that book, American Cosmic, she was saying that she got special access to the Vatican archives. And as we know, some of the best history books and probably the most true version of history is probably stuffed in books in that place and that most people can't get to. But she said there was a whole wing dedicated to UFOs, UFO sightings and things of that nature. Not just a book, but a whole wing of books.

Many books. It necessitates a wing. Hey, I like that. It is. But, you know, this isn't something that is just kind of now all of a sudden leaking out, or Hollywood is kind of pushing this on us, or it's a modern phenomena, or it's a, it's just some government project. This is something that's been going on a long time. And I think people out there need to expand their perspectives and understand that what we're going to talk about this episode isn't, it's really hard. It's really hard for a lot of people because they have the very narrow view of all this. And they bring that into this conversation. So open your mind, let Derek kind of take you back some of these historical accounts and what's been pieced together over the years. And like we've seen recently, you know, you have some major event. It takes 30, 40 years before all the information comes out, right?

At least. And then you're like, oh, that did happen, right? Just recently we saw a video of the crash site at the Pentagon during a certain popular date in September. And we didn't see any plane to Braves Luke. So I don't know if we'll leave this in the show. But, you know, but, you know, 25 years later, whatever long it's been all of a sudden the information comes out oh whatever

we were told wasn't exactly what happened that day no and I would say that the the future these each of these stories there's there is a very strong counter-narrative that has been pushed by the government by the Air Force and and by the authorities with power being a reminder at these times there was no internet no social media there was no dissemination of information outside of your newspaper and the news and what they told you. And so take a listen to what the witnesses

and the researchers that were, either did the work or were on the scene, had to say about this. And as always, the blurry creatures, make up your own mind. But, you know, it's very interesting to listen to what the people on the ground

had to say as opposed to what the official narrative is. And I would take that with all things, right? It's worth doing the research, and it's worth making up your own mind been thinking about these things. So as always, it's, uh, this is going to be fun. So welcome to the blurry verse. Welcome back to blurry creatures.

I won't do my quintessential joke this time, Luke. I'll spare you. We have got Derek from Megalithic Marvels on today. And, uh, usually Luke loves his joke when Derek comes on. Yeah, we are going. We're not, we're not going to the bone zone today, though. No, but it, you know, like for all intents and purposes. We still are.

We still are. I mean, yeah, it's the guy that needs no introduction. Derek also, the megalithic marvel straight back from Egypt. I was there, ground zero. It's exciting. We were just talking before the show and our pre-roll here about next year's trip. And, you know, Derek does an annual trip to Egypt with Muhammad Ibrahim. It is, this is incredible one-of-a-kind experience.

The blurry boys are going to join up at some point. We were going to be in Egypt with our good friend Derek Olson, who was also at BlurieCon, of course. if you're familiar with the show. But great to have you on. You've been a great friend of the show. We love your work. Oh my gosh.

We love your work and everything that you do. Nate and I are headed to Peru. We're looking at some megaliths. But today, Derek, we are getting, we're not going to be in the bone zone. We are getting famous UFO crashes. That's right. Yeah.

It just dropped today. We were making jokes about how many have gotten sent. People sent me this today. There's been quite a few, but intelligence officials are coming out and saying that the U.S. has achieved craft of non-human origin. That could be a surprise to a lot of folks out there. Probably more surprising they're talking about it and admitting to it,

other than the surprise that they have it. If you followed any, you followed your stuff for the last 20, 30 years, you would know, you'd heard of Bob Lazar and his account of reverse engineering, you know, recovered craft. And, you know, people, a lot of people will write him off. A lot of people will say that they believe him. There's a lot of camps on Bob Lazar, but the reality is, is that there are a lot of stories anecdotal and also on the record as well that that attests to

UFOs, the unidentified flying objects, and they call them UAPs now, undenified aerial phenomena crashing and being recovered. And so this is going to be fun, Derek. We had tossed this idea around sometime after blurry cons. This has been kind of marinating for at least a few months. You said this is kind of outside of, this is definitely outside of what Megalithic Marvels does. However, this is something you've been very interested in. So as always, we're very excited to go through because you're meticulous in your research,

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So welcome back to the show, Derek, and excited to talk about this today. We haven't really gone through any of this, which I think is, at least in specific. So this is going to be very fun. And I think intriguing considering what is, What is now hitting mainstream media this year and even today, you know, with ex-military, ex-intelligent people with lawyers coming out saying this is actually happening? Cool, guys. Yes. So I'm really excited to dive into this topic. And we are going to cover, I think, what are probably considered three of the most famous UFO crash retrieval stories. And I sent you guys some pictures. So as we kind of hit each of these three, You guys can, we can reference these photos.

And to me, these photos just kind of really bring the story to life, especially the last two will cover. But yeah, the timing, Luke, and Nate, this breaking news today of the covert covered up crash retrieval programs by the government of these exotic origin craft, I think is crazy timing. So we got to start with Roswell. Sound good? Of course. So the Roswell crash in 1947.

And let me set this up by saying that, you know, and a lot of people might know this, some people might not. So it just could have a little history. So leading up to the Roswell event, right? There began to be many UFO sightings throughout the world, especially during World War II. And shortly after that were sightings by military personnel of flying objects that no one really had a basis for back then. most notably over Scandinavia, where they were called, or known as Ghost Rockets. And I think between 46 and 47, there was over 2,000 of these Ghost Rocket sightings. So you had that going on.

And then there was the famous Kenneth Arnold siding, June 1947 in Washington State, my home state. So this guy was a private pilot. He's flying near my backyard of Mount Rainier. and he claims to have seen a series of these nine shiny saucer-shaped objects that were like flying over a thousand miles per hour. So this was the first post-World War II siding in the United States. It garners all this nationwide coverage and is really credited with being like the first modern era UFO sighting. And so after that Kenneth Arnold's siding, basically the phrase flying saucer was born, right? So that kind of sets the backdrop for Roswell.

So in American UFO history, a few incidents have inspired as much fascination and speculation as the one in Roswell, which happened in the summer of 1947. And more than 70 years later, I mean, this event basically remains a defining aspect of our pop culture, right? If you go to the town of Roswell, they've got like a UFO museum, a fly. Sasser inspired McDonald's, alien-themed streetlights. There's even, I've seen pictures, it's pretty cool. There's this extraterrestrial family stranded in a broken-down UFO on the side of State Route 285 looking for a jump start. So they've totally taken the UFO alien theme and ran with it.

But as historian Richard Dolan points out for about 30 years or so after the actual Roswell event happened, almost no one knew. about it because of the quick cover performed by the military, which we'll get into. So it was only because of the hard work of a few people in the 70s and 80s, specifically Stanton Friedman, who went and tracked down the eyewitnesses who were still alive at that time, captured their memories, and basically the Roswell story was resurrected. And so the memories and stories of all these eyewitnesses when you add them up sure seem to tell a different story than the government's explanation of weather balloons. So it all starts Saturday. I think it was July 5th, 1947. A guy named Mack Brazel, he's the foreman of the Foster Ranch, which is located approximately 75 miles north of Roswell.

and this guy's outside and he starts to notice strange debris scattered across this very large pasture. He begins to pick up various pieces of this debris and he found that it was unusually lightweight yet super strong. And there was what looked like metal and then this foil-like material that's, you know, become associated with Roswell. And he said that later he tried to cut and burn some of the debris, the debris, but he had no success doing so. So that was Saturday, July 5th. Sunday, July 6th, Brazel brings some of this debris, and Brazil again is the foreman of this ranch, brings the debris to the Roswell Sheriff named George Wilcox. George Wilcox sends two deputies out to investigate

and they come back and report back to him that, yeah, there's this huge area that looks burned and glass-like. I guess the sand almost turned to like this glass-like material, which lends to excessive heat, right? So Sheriff Wilcox then he's like, okay, taking this more serious, he calls the Roswell Army Airfield, which at the time was home to the 509 Bombadier Group. And this is the same group that dropped the atomic bombs over Japan in World War II.

So this 509 Bombadier group was apparently the only unit in the world at the time that had the ability to drop nuclear weapons. So if you're looking for a unit to do an elite secret task, this is probably the group, right? And this unit was commanded by a guy named Colonel William Blanchard, who later goes on to become a four-star general in the 60s. Okay, so this is happening on Sunday, July 6th. Here's where it gets good. On Monday, July 7th, this Colonel Blanchard sends a team to investigate the site. And they're led by three guys, Captain Jesse Marcel, remember that name, and he's with a guy named Sheridan Cabot and William Rickett. So these three guys meet with this rancher, Mac Brazel, and they go out and they visit the crash site with him.

And according to, I believe, it's Jesse Marcel's testimony. This debris field was about three quarters of a mile long and 300 feet wide. So very large. And there was a huge gouge in the ground that was 500 feet long. Marcel noticed debris as thin as newsprint, but incredibly. strong. So again, he's corroborating what Mac Brazel said about it being thin yet strong. And apparently from other eyewitnesses, the debris could not be dented even with a sledgehammer. And then again, this foil-like material, it could be crumpled, but it would return to its

original shape without wrinkles. Jesse Marcel notices, and this is interesting to me, eye beams with odd symbols on them. And I'll come back to that later with somebody else's testimony. So years later, this Jesse Marcel told investigator Stanton Friedman that the debris was definitely not a plane, missile, or a weather tracking device. He said, quote, it was something you'd never seen before or since, and it certainly wasn't anything built by us, end quote. So this Jesse Marcel, the 509 Bommadier group, is really kind of the key figure in the whole Roswell story, right?

So he loads up his vehicle, I believe this is again Monday, July 7th, with debris that night. And one of the guys with him did as well. So on his way back to the base, Marcel makes a detour. I love this because this is what I would have done, to his house at about 2 a.m. and he wakes up his wife and his son, who's 11 years old at the time. His son is named Jesse Jr. And he shows them pieces of this wreckage or the debris. And he basically says, this is from a UFO that just crashed.

We've got it right here in that house. And Jesse Jr. went on to write a book about this. I think it was called the Roswell Legacy, where he was forever impacted. But can you guys imagine, like, that you're Jesse Jr., you're a son. sleep in your bed. You hear your dad open your door at 2 a.m. and he's like, son, I got something to show you. This is a UFO wreckage. How epic would that be? It's wild. It reminds me of Super 8 in that movie when the kids like see the, it's kind of a little different, but they, you know, they take those little like cubes back that they find, but that are like supposedly from a UFO crash.

But this is an interesting, Derek, because this is like one of the arguments Luke and I make a lot on the show is that a lot of people think this whole thing is just spiritual. But you're talking about physical evidence for stuff. You're talking about crashes, parts, unknown elements, unknown materials, things that, you know, have been happening for a long time that show signs of an advanced faction of entities, whether they're from the inside the earth or somewhere else, whatever they are, wherever they're from. You know, it's not an apparition. It's not a, it's not a, it's not a, a sciop. It's not some military.

It's not as easy as putting it in one box. It's kind of, it opens up all these boxes. And when you're describing this, it makes me think of all kinds of things that people describe, whether it's crop circles, cattle mutilations, crashes. I mean, all these things are outside of that spiritual box. And so I like these documented historical accounts because it kind of forces specifically Christians to kind of open their mind a little bit more and be like, hey, You know, like all these stories can't be explained away with one simple Bible verse, you know, wave the magic wand and it just goes away. It's not how it works. And I don't know what it is and I don't know where it comes from. Most of these stories just leave you with more questions. But I think it's good for us to, we get this started to think that it's just one of many strange things that happened with UFO crashes and sighting. So.

I also like the human reaction. I think it leads credence, right? He waking up his wife and kid out of sleep at 2 in the morning to show him this thing. This is somebody from the Air Force, from the 509th Embarming Group. This is someone very familiar with planes and aircraft and aeronautic material. And he's so excited that he wants to show somebody close to him what he has. and I like it because it's also outside of someone else in the military. These are non-military personnel.

These are family members, of course, right? And so you could always say, well, they have to, they're telling the line or whatever. But they don't tell the line as we're going to find out. And I just think gives credence to the fact that something happened to someone who was very familiar with aeronautics and materials and flight and everything else. And this guy was so enamored or excited or passionate, just pumped about. what he found that he had to show somebody and someone who's not in the military chain of command. I mean, this is like if you're talking about, you know, solid evidence, because as you're going

to tell the story and a lot of people are familiar with it, we're going to find that they do the old government switcheroo on us at some point here. And I'm not going to spoil the story for you, but, you know, it becomes something other than what it is. And this is a time, you know, a different time where everybody got their news from, you know, from one source or from newspaper or from, you know, one newscast or two news channels. And we didn't have smartphones and cameras and social media. We didn't have people dancing on TikTok. You know, this was something that could be very much controlled and channeled.

So I just find I like this part of the story because it feels very human and visceral. And then at the same time, it provides for voices outside of a, of the military industrial complex. just, you know, even though they be familial, it's still, they're not someone in the chain of command. Yeah, great insight. I love what you both just shared because you're right. We've got this human reaction and yeah, who this guy was. This is an elite military personnel, like you said, he's familiar with craft and equipment. And if this is just a balloon, why is he stopping at his house at 2 a.m. to wake up his son and his wife. So I think, that was again Monday July 7th while this is happening at some point the military police are sent

to Sheriff Wilcox's office and so it's almost like the cover-up is beginning in the in the middle of the night they're collecting the debris that Rancher Mac Brazel had originally brought to the sheriff's office right next day Tuesday July 8th Jesse Marcel and one of the guys with him Cabot they go to the Rosasville Army base with their two truckloads of all this debris. And they go to base commander, Colonel Blanchard, and he tells them that they're actually to take the debris now to Air Force headquarters in Fort Worth, Texas, and meet with a general Roger Ramey.

So I did a quick map. I think that's like seven hours away. So these guys are going for a little road trip with debris. And at this point, as far as we know, these guys totally believe they have actual pieces of this flying disc in their vehicles. So they're on their way to Fort Worth, Texas from Roswell. Around noon, though, on July 8th, on Tuesday, this Colonel Blanchard, who told him to go to Fort Worth, he tells his public information officer, a guy named Walter Hout, send out a press release stating what has happened and what we have. this guy how it goes to the local KGFO radio station. They send out a Western Union to radio stations,

newspapers. It reaches the associated press wire and then all hell breaks loose nationwide. The Roswell Daily Record, their headline, and I sent you guys this newspaper heart article, it says RAAF captures flying saucer on ranch in Roswell region. So that's a real newspaper headline published by the Roswell Daily Record. I mean, that must have sent shockwaves through the community. But about three hours after this announcement, so Jesse Marcell is now in Fort Worth, Texas, and he's in the office of this general Roger Ramey

with the debris, some of the debris from his truck. Now, according to Marcel's testimony, at one point, he and the general both leave this office together for a certain period of time to do something. When they come back in Roger Ramey's office, Marcel says the debris had been switched. In place of the original debris was now a ripped up apart balloon, scattered on the floor.

Ramey had AP reporter in the room right there who was ready to break a new story about that this was all just a weather balloon, right? Nothing to see here. And then they made Jesse. Marcel pose with the scraps of the balloon and basically take the fall for being an idiot, for being fooled. And at the same time, the original eyewitness, Mack Brazzled, a rancher, he's apparently placed under military guard for several days. I've even heard up to a week. So again, if this is

just a balloon, why are they taking this poor old rancher and putting him under military guard for a week. So something else to point out, and I sent you guys photos of this, a local Roswell resident, a guy named Robert Ridge, he unearthed what's known by someone's the Roswell Rock. Did you guys see that picture? Yeah, yeah. He found this in 2004 while hunting not far from the crash site. Now, at first I thought maybe this is just, you know, I guess some people still might think it's a hoax. At first I thought, man, this is just kind of probably some hyped hoax. But man, when I started to look into it, you look at the small brownish rock, and it's got this design that protrudes from the top of it featuring these circles, what looks like shapes of the sun and crescent moon

in the center. Precision car, right? We're talking like something you'd see megalithic-wise in Egypt or Peru. And it's got magnetic properties. I've seen videos of this thing spinning with magnets. So what's interesting to note is he found this near the skip site. So there was the skip site where the craft first hit the ground and then went back up, left the massive debris field, and then it finally came down at the crash site. So you get the skip site and the crash site. So was this rock possibly thrown from the craft when it hit the ground at the skip site? And did the military somehow miss it during their morning?

once-long cleanup. Crazy thing is, I sent you another picture of this crop circle found in England in 1996. It's got the exact same design as that rock. So some have theorized, again, this might be an elaborate hoax using a sandblasting technique through the use of computer-generated stencils, cutting and sandblasting. But you can see a video of a local stone carver who was given a chance to replicate this Roswell Rock using that technique, and it was totally inferior to that actual rock itself. So you guys got any thoughts on the rock? It's really interesting. Yeah, it kind of looks like a crop circle, and that's something that we haven't really talked about on the show.

We're going to do an episode on Crop Circles. We're trying to get a team that's been researching for 30 years. One thing about Crop Circles, if you look into it for a while, you realize that there are some fakes, there are some hoaxes. but a lot of these are really intricate and the way that the sort of the crops are bent over they're more vaporized all at once. It's not like human beings

pushing them down. I wish more people understood that the crop circles are really hard to fake and there are so many of them. I would say Derek being a you know the the megalithic Marvels guy this is interesting in the sense of

it reminds me of some of the things that you've posted and shown that people to the crafts from today can't replicate either, whether it be in Egypt or some of these 3D hieroglyphics and carvings in obelis and things like that. It kind of gives me that feel. The story is fascinating to me because you have a very honest reaction in a newswire and even a follow-up article the next day.

And then you have this very, lock in key shut oh is a weather balloon and then it disappears and you're like this is it's too weird it's just it's too it's why i think it's why this whole this story remains and why roswell remains what it is and what you describe in the beginning right is that people aren't buying the narrative that that was that was peddled after if what feels like the truth came came out the beginning right so one of those mysteries yeah yeah it's important to note that this uh skip site i referenced is also known by some as the Ragsdale site. And that's because a guy named Jim Ragsdale and his apparent girlfriend were camping at this exact spot and saw a craft come in and were some of the

first on scene before the military showed up. And according to Ragsdale, from what I gather, he claims to have actually seen bodies at this site. This other guy that was with Jesse. Marcel, his name was Bill Rickett. He wasn't only at the crash site with Marcel and the rancher, but he told researchers later that he also went out to escort a guy named Dr. Lincoln Lapaz, or La Paz, who back then was a world-renowned meteor expert. He was to escort this guy to the crash site, and this guy was hired by the military, La Paz or La Paz, to find out what the speed and trajectory.

of the craft was. And La Paz also said he corroborated the stuff about the sand. He said the sand had been turned glass-like due to landing and takeoff. And La Paz was on record for saying that he actually believed I found this fascinating that there were several objects

that had come down at Roswell, not just one. Mac Brazel, again, this original eyewitness Forma at the ranch, he had a son named Bill Brazel. Bill was interviewed multiple times years later and he might have even written a book too but he's on record of sharing that years after the crash

he was at a bar talking about all this with some buddies and he was talking about the foil like debris that you could crumple and that would return to its normal shape and he told him he still had some of it and a few days later guess who arrives the military Terry comes knocking on the door. And they said they learned that he was still in possession of some of this debris

and that they wanted it and he reluctantly gave it to him. So that's Mac Brazel, son of the rancher. And then you got Jesse Marcel Jr., who I referenced earlier. He was the 11-year-old son of Jesse Marcel. And he wrote a book called The Roswell Legacy. And he talks about how when his father brought some of the UFO, wreckage home. He literally got to handle it, touch it, and he described it as metallic. And I liked what he said here. This always stood out to me. He said, quote, I could see what looked like writing. At first I

thought of Egyptian hieroglyphics, but there were no animal outlines or figurines or figures. They weren't mathematical figures either. They were more like geometric symbols, squares, circles, triangles, pyramids, and the like, end quote. Interesting quote there from the son. A couple more eyewitness tidbits to wrap this up before we move on to our next crash. The guy named Glenn Dennis, he was a mortician in 1947 in Roswell. And he's on a record of saying he remembered getting several calls in July from the Roswell Army Airfield Mortuary Officer who wanted to know about. getting hermetically sealed, basically airtight caskets, and how small could he get these? So he always thought that was very odd. There was a lady named Barbara Dugher. She was the

granddaughter of Roswell Sheriff George Wilcox, where the rancher brought the first debris to. So this granddaughter claimed that her grandmother, the sheriff's wife, told her that after the crash military police, showed up and told the sheriff and his wife that their entire family would be killed if they ever talked about this. And she also said that George, the sheriff again, had gone out to the side himself and saw four, quote, space beings, end quote, with large heads and suits that were silk-like and one of the beings was alive. Yeah, this is the stories that you and you see in movies that there were beings there that were still live and most of them were gone. I think the casket phone call is interesting, these airtight caskets because they're

trying to preserve these things probably. And, you know, it kind of makes me think of like the difference between a hoax and a real event, something like Patterson Gimlin film where it just, to this day it's still debated, Roswell, to this day it's still debated it. And things that I think are real, real events, they sort of burn themselves into a time period and people can't get over it. And the locals can't get over it because people have stories like this. Like their grandson is still telling a story in a book or whatever because it's that important. I mean, the wife of, you know, Patterson still has the film, right? She's still guarding the film to this day.

So it's like, I think people are highly skeptical and they're so. they want evidence for themselves, but you can't get it, right? You're not going to have a little piece of the spacecraft. You're not going to have, you know, record of your parent having phone calls from the Air Force base. You're not going to have these little things. You have to kind of trust that some of these people are saying, look, this is the best evidence we have because the way that the government operates, it's going to hide every single piece of evidence possible. So I like that.

I like that there's all these little clues surrounding that. day and that you can kind of trust the official story from the first responders, so to speak, the people that were there, the people that saw the crash site, and the people that saw some of these being scattered out on the ground. But that is weird, and that's hard for people, especially Christians, because they don't have an index for this. Yeah, and it was later discovered that, again, researchers like Stanton Friedman and these others, a lot of authors that have written on the subject, you know, tried to get records from 1947 and Roswell phone records. records and paper records. Well, it's been discovered that all the administrative records and

phone records, outgoing messages from Roswell Army Airfield from 1945 to 49, all inexplicably destroyed. So they're gone, missing, vanished. And then there's a guy named General Thomas Du Bois. He was this general Roger Ramey's chief of staff in 47. Roger Ramey was the guy in Fort Worth Texas where Marcel had to go. So this De Bois was very involved in the whole crash. He was seen in photos with Rameen and Marcel. In 91, he was interviewed and stated that the whole balloon thing was a cover story. And he made it clear that the entire cover-up was being managed by a general named,

I think it's Clemens McMullen from the Pentagon. And McMullen made it clear to him that this crash was above top secret. So again, to close this story, if it was just a weather balloon, why are the trees clipped? I didn't even really get into that. Why is the ground gouged? Why is the sand like glass? Why is the army incarcerated brazel for over a week?

Why are people being threatened with their lives? Why did several witnesses state they saw beings? Why are all these records destroyed? And we could ask many more questions. But even though so few people to this day actually believe the Air Force's explanation of Roswell being this crash weather balloon, The truth is the tired narrative is still promoted to this day by the Guardians of Truth. And that is the Roswell story.

Yeah. You know, we brought on a gentleman who described how you can film UFOs if you go to, you know, pass a certain frames per second on your phone. That there's actually way more traffic in our atmosphere of UFOs and activity. We just can't see it with the human eye because these things fly so fast. and then, you know, a lot of people have come on our show and talked about being abducted. So if this is, if this abduction program is going on all over the world and you can film these things in the atmosphere, I say all that to say that there's probably a lot of these things. There's a lot of craft. So the chances are higher that one of them is going to crash at some point, right?

But the skeptics are going to say, well, how does an advanced species and advanced technology crash? Well, given the sheer numbers of other stories you've heard on our podcast, there's a lot of these things out there. So, chances are, they crash. So what do you think, Derek? How does an alien or UFO crash? Yeah, I mean, I would answer that partly with, you could ask the same thing about these prediluvian ancient Egyptians who had incredible knowledge, a profound high order of Astronomical knowledge. Again, I was just in Egypt.

I think I came back from this trip with even more questions than before as I dived deeper into who. I'm not talking about the dynastic Egyptians of 3,000 BC. I'm talking about the pre-deluvian ancient Egyptians of at least 10,000 BC or older maybe. These guys had profound knowledge of universal, harmonic, rhythmic, proportional laws, mathematics, scientific knowledge that was written into their temples, not with texts, but in myth and symbols. It's crazy. The Egyptian civilization, it was based upon a precise knowledge of even the mysteries of creation. When you start to study Zeptepe, and I have a point with this, and I'll end it right now almost, it's kind of eerily similar the Egyptian creation stories and how they are similar to the Bible creation account.

You've got Zepteptepe, which means the first time where a primordial mound or island emerges from new, which is the primordial water, and it almost looks like a pyramid. A top of this pyramid or island was created atum, also known as Atem. Very similar to Adam. And this guy symbolized holding a tuning fork. Atum means complete. And he became the father of Shu and Tephneut, who were like the divine couple and the ancestors of other Egyptian deities. So you see this advanced knowledge.

But as we know, they stopped. Something happened. they either destroyed themselves or maybe it was cataclysm. But I guess to answer your question, you could ask the same thing about the ancient Egyptians, right? As brilliant as they were, they weren't perfect. They lost it. They either destroyed themselves or something.

So I would say the same about these advanced crafts. We're talking about possible entities. Just because they're advanced doesn't mean it's 100%. 100% flawless. And I think we're going to see with some of these other stories that we're going to get into if we have the time, more, more emotion, more of the human side of this stuff, that will kind of bring it all together in a bow. I would add that technology fails on all levels, whether it be an F-18 or you consider

advanced technology. It's not perfect, right? this happens all the time in conventional aircraft and I don't think we I think we would you know just from a very practical standpoint I think we'd be remiss to think that it always works perfectly we know that it doesn't and doesn't in our in our space and if we're to believe the technology is a in this case is something like you know perhaps passed on from the watchers or as we talk about the book of Enoch and what happened in gen 6 and you have this this movement of tech it's never going to be perfect so I

I think it's 100% plausible and very, very highly likely that you have even catastrophic failures in this imperfect technology. This isn't, which I think even lends more credence to the physicality of these things, right? Because as we're talking about the top of the show, a lot of visceral reactions to the article that came out today. It's holograms. It's not a physical thing. And yet, if we look at these things crashing, that's very physical. and then as a technological thing, technology is not infallible.

So I think it's perfectly in the same way a brand new car off the line will break down and have something wrong with it in the same way that the most advanced technology we have right now will fail. It does. That's what happens, right? So you have the element of error

and the element of fallibility and technology and then that's how you get a crash. Luke, even the DeLorean wasn't made well. man, you know, these grays were TikTok and driving and driving, you know, that's what it gets you. That or they had the Ford Tempo version of their UFO. Right, it's the Ford Fiesta or the Pinto, yeah.

Nate, you mentioned people capturing UFOs in your phone. I sent you guys a video that I took in 2018 where I was literally at the Nordstrom Cafe eating lunch and I look out I look out west toward, you know,

Seattle and saw something massive. The video doesn't do it justice because I kind of cut the tail in, but watch that later and let me know what you think. To my eye, it looked like a massive cigar-shaped UFO. And it's spherical, it's white, almost like it's disguising itself as a,

almost a piece of cloud, but you can tell this is some kind of craft because it's going pretty fast. So anyway, checked that out. I might have actually captured one on my 2018 iPhones. There you go. Have you guys heard of the Aztec crash of 1948? No. So Aztec crash 1948, so you guys remember the show X-Files. Well, the character Scully, that was actually copied from the real Frank Scoli who wrote one of the first books about UFO. It was called Behind the Flying Saucer. published in 1950. So he was this researcher, author,

hunting down all these X-Files and crash retrievals. In his book, he included this story of the Aztec crash. And then later researchers, Scott and Suzanne Ramsey, they've done the most work on the Aztec crash. They spent over 25 years writing books about this crash, vetting witnesses. They archived 50,000 related. related documents from sources including the U.S. Army, Air Force, FBI, CIA.

And these graphics that you guys have with this Aztec crash were created under the strict guidance of an artist named Tom Bogan who worked with historian Michael Schrat and author Scott Ramsey. So these graphics are extremely detailed to the source, which is cool. It's not just AI, right? Right. So Aztec, New Mexico, March 25th, 1948, this is eight months after Roswell. A crisp, pre-done morning in the high desert of New Mexico, about 12 and a half miles from northeast of Aztec, there's this goat rancher named Valentin Archiletta.

He's walking toward his corral to let livestock out to graze. When suddenly he's stunned by a sonic boom that, draws his attention upward towards the sky, towards this rocky mesa. And overhead in the distance as he looks, he's seeing sparks fly, has a large glowing disc, scrapes the face of a mesa, and flutters down in distress. Valentin heads to the nearest phone. He's shaken, and it was located at the Blanco General Store, and he calls the Curtland Air Force Base in Albuquer.

Kirkian, New Mexico to explain what he had just witnessed. I kind of wish he had skipped that part and he just went out there. Around the same time as this is happening, a brush fire is reported near what's called Hart Canyon Road about 12 miles from Aztec. And so these four oil field workers led by a guy named Doug Nolan, they're sent out by the El Paso oil company to make sure the company's big drip tank out there is not in danger of this fire. See, these guys are driving out as they arrive to near where this big drip tank is, they notice something strange sitting above on the mesa. And so Doug, Nolan, and these three other oil workers, they decide to go climb the mesa

and get a closer look. I like these guys. So they make the climb as they reach the top of the outcropping. they come over the top their eyes are met with a shocking sight they see a large disc-shaped craft silently lying at an angle the craft is almost perfectly intact

and it has an aluminum exterior finish as they get closer they realize there's no noticeable seams rivets or bolts it looks as if it's molded It measured 99 and a half feet in diameter. It featured an upper dome above and a lower dome beneath with this circular disc in the middle. And you can see by the pictures, this one's more unique than other images of craft.

You see, this one's just, it's just got a super huge disc on it, which is kind of cool. The outer edge of the craft had three gold-colored rings that ran around the entire outer edge of the disc. along the outer circumference of a disc were six 16-inch circular porthole-like windows with a mere finish. Now here's where it gets interesting. These four oil workers eventually climb up the ridge of the craft,

and they began to look for a way inside. And this is one of the rare occasions, as Michael Stratt points out, a historian who's really researched this case. This is one of the rare occasions where civilians to actually reach the crash site before the military does. That's partly why we have this testimony. So these oil workers, suddenly they notice a U.S. Army helicopter come out of nowhere and make one circle around the scene and then leave, which really surprised them because back then helicopters were very rare. And so they were like, okay, time is short.

we've got to find a way in before we're kicked out of here. And so they start looking for a way in. One of them noticed is a small crack, almost like a quarter-sized hole in one of the windows. And they appear inside this porthole-like window to their dismay. They see two small bodies slumped over a control panel. soon after this some local ranchers

by the names of Mr. and Mrs. Knight arrive on scene to see what the commotion is about so again time is short more people are showing up the oil worker Doug I think it was goes back to his truck grabs a giant long pole that was on this work truck and he brings it up to the craft

and pokes it through this hole in the window somehow according to again these I witness accounts in the books from Scott and Susan Ramsey, somehow this guy activates something on the control panel that opens the entry hatch on the bottom of the craft. Talk about a shocker, right? Right, yeah. So these oil workers quickly make their way inside the craft, they notice there's two main levels. They first go, I believe, to the lower level where they find the two humanoid entities that were leaning over by these consoles. They were approximately four and a half to five

feet tall. And they were, I guess, in swivel like chairs by control panels. The bodies were gray and appeared to be scorched, they said, from decompression. And the entities were wearing one piece tight-fitting blue-like suits. And they were sitting in front of, again, what looked like control consoles and the testimony from this Doug Nolan, I believe, was that there was alien iconology or something that was similar to hieroglyphics that was displayed on the walls and that could be considered that it was also on these screens. And it was almost as if it was somehow projected onto it, like with a projector, basically 3D in a sense.

Next, they go to the upper level of the craft where there's various compartment-like sections that contained another 14 of these dead humanoid bodies inside. So a total of 16 entities were found. Soon the military arrives in full force along with fire personnel. And they begin to tell everybody to get away and remove these bodies one by one from the craft. They lay them out on the desert floor. Here's my favorite part of the story. There was a Baptist minister named Solon Brown.

who was leaving the town of Aztec early that morning. And he notices all these vehicles like speeding out of town and driving out towards this road that he knew and went to this mesa, which he thought was a very odd situation for super early in the morning. And so curiosity gets the best of him. And he follows this, this armada out to this crash site.

And he gets there, he sees the craft, and he sees these small, I think he described him as lifeless childlike bodies. And so he's a minister. He asked the authorities if there's anything that he could do. And if he could administer the last rights to the bodies. And so you can see this detailed in those photos. Solon Brown went around and he is praying or whatever he's doing, administering the last rights.

And I guess Solon Brown was on record telling some of his congregants later that, quote, you're never going to believe what I just saw, end quote. And according to researcher Scott Ramsey, who wrote the book on the Aztec Crash, he confirmed that this was true. Somehow he interviewed the last surviving member of the church that actually heard this Solon Brown say that. So talk about a church service of all church services. Hey guys, you'll never guess what I just did.

The military interrogates everyone on the site, threatens them with their lives, and tells them never to speak in this event. And to end this story, the Aztec recovery was apparently coordinated by directly at a Walker Air Force base, approximately 200 Army and Air Force personnel where they're working on the recovery for two full weeks.

And when the military accessed the inner portion of the disc, or the craft, they found the whole craft was held together by this high-tech pin device that when deactivated, the entire craft divided into three equal segmented pie sections. So you've got the central column in the middle of the craft and then the upper and lower dome bases and these three equal pie segments that make up the disc. And so the military in brute fashion, they pull up with their M25 tank transport. Extend these massive cables around the pie shape segments and just rip them and pull them from the column, drag them away from the crash site, load them onto their tank transporters, cover them with tarps and chains marking them as explosives. And they were sent apparently to Los Alamos for reverse engineering.

That is the Aztec crash retrieval story. That's wild. I never heard that one before. Yeah, me neither. That's interesting. again, not to be the dead horse here, and not to pick on the skeptics, but this is three pieces of a pie that are fit together by an advanced system of pins that kind of hold this thing altogether that we don't even understand. This stuff isn't made here, and it doesn't sound spiritual. It's a physical craft that comes from somewhere, and even this preacher stumbles upon it. God's people are kind of slowly waking up to the fact that there's more out there than this, but why do you think the government,

government's always covering it up, Derek. Why do you think this stuff always disappears? Why do you think people's lives are threatened? Why are they so afraid of the public finding out that there's something else out there besides just human beings? Yeah, that's a great question. I think it's a similar again, that goes back to the megaliths and why the cover of ancient history. As it's been said before, you know, those who controlled the past, control the future. If they don't cover it up and they go public with this stuff, number one, where people are going to be asking, well, who are these entities? Where did this technology come from? Then the government's probably going to have to come clean a bit about that they've got a lot

of this technology and they're actually using it to make all kinds of military machines. And that's when we'd realize, okay, there's this breakaway almost civilization. where the elite have this technology, but why don't we get to have it? Remember when we were kids in the 80s and we saw the magazines? Man, in the year 2010, we'll be in flying cars. What happened, right? Well, it appears that that's been controlled. It's just like what the dynastic Egyptians did in Egypt.

These prediluvians created this incredible civilization built on what appears. to be free energy where these ancient pyramids are like generators powering the civilization and they had these temples that were literally created with water and geology meant to heal the body they knew how to do this well when the dynastic Egyptians came along they built massive mud brick insulating walls around every ancient temple to basically do what the government's doing with this technology. They're keeping it for themselves. So in the time of the dynastics, 3000 BC,

you couldn't just go in to tap into some of this energy if you wanted for fertility purposes or healing purposes. You had to pay money or you had to be in. And so again, I think it's part of human nature. Yeah. It's about power, right? The whistleblower that came out today is basically saying that the thought of this information has been held in black projects and is you've been

with help from Congress right so you have it's about having no oversight the ability to take this and potentially monetize it or and or use it for you know domination military power positions right I think it's a yeah there's something to be said for for having this and your enemy's not having it for one and then also having no oversight and in order to do that you've got to kind of whisk it away It's interesting. I mean, it's kind of with this, what Grush, who was the whistleblower today was saying. Did you see that video I posted not too long ago of this video from the 1950s? It was called the Hiller Flying Platform, the U.S. Army was working on. I mean, I remember being shocked when I saw that footage.

Because if I saw that, like, if it was like a modern-day, 2003 video, I would think, well, this is high-tech Army technology. but it was made in 1955 it just shows you the cover up right there if the army was creating hoverboards

for their soldiers to fly on in 195 where did that go and what do they really have now yeah tech is always being sort of whisked away or being controlled by the few right if you invent a car engine

that runs on hydrogen you end up dead or something like that right they they always seem to control the technology. And I think what you're saying is in ancient times, they started to do that as well. Eventually, they started to build fences around their healing sites and their temples and pyramids and whatnot. Sounds like. But Derek, I see a connection between these UFO stories. You're talking

about these images and these holograms being projected on the wall. It sounds like an ancient language. And we have crop circles with the same thing. And we have megaliths with the same thing. Is there a connection here between all these, is there some sort of ancient language or language of angels here? Great question. And to me, that is the connection. Like I said, I've been doing Magnific Marvels for a while, and one of the central themes is lost ancient technology. Well, you start to see all the similarities or similarities with lost ancient technology of, like if we're talking ancient Egypt, and then a lot of what we're talking about here, with these craft, these symbols.

And again, I think it goes back to whoever these entities are, whoever's making these craft, where these symbols are almost projected on these what looks like consoles. It's like the ancient Egyptians. They've got precise, profound knowledge of the universal harmonic, rhythmic proportional laws. And they don't need to write out their ABCs. they use symbols almost have a I mean like the ancient Egyptian symbols they're they're not

just 3D and their precision in the way they're embedded in granite but the meaning is 3D you know so the meaning might mean you know it might refer to this netter or this god but it also has a meaning in nature and so you start to peel back the onion and you realize how did these ancient Egyptians know about the constellation Taurus and in this kind of stuff? It just shows you there was such a deep knowledge. And again, I guess to answer your question, that's probably what I think is going on here with these symbols. It's funny, Derek, because I was at the Met yesterday looking at the Egyptian timeline. And it says, you know, 75,000 years ago, 80,000 years ago, they were the earliest signs of these artist huts and stuff.

And then 75,000 years go by and suddenly they invent hieroglyphics, which is like one of the most advanced languages that we know about. And it's just, it's hilarious because it doesn't make any sense that we were like cavemen. And then all of a sudden we invented one of the most complex languages possible. And then a few hundred years later, we built these massive pyramids. It's like,

it's just mind-blowing. Yeah. No, that's such a great point because the mainstream Egyptology or history, they call the era before the dynastic, Egyptians of 3,000 BC, the pre-Dynastic. I think we talked about this at Bluricon real quick. And basically, the pre-Dynastic era were like the cavemen.

So they want us to believe that they went from basically cavemen to, I think, you know, the early dynasties building these pyramids. But funny how the later dynasties, their pyramids got worse and everything got worse. So how do you explain that? So many mysteries, but I better get to this last. crash site, so we have time. All back to Egypt, man. All roads lead back to Egypt, don't they?

Oh, I even posted a video recently of when I was at the Egyptian Museum in Cairo, I'm looking at this display that's marked, you know, pre-Dynastic or prehistoric Egypt. Again, this is before the dynastic Egyptians who get the credit for all the building the cool stuff. well, you're looking at the pottery of these pre-denastic peoples, and it's, you know, it's archaic, and you can tell it was made by hand. But guess what's painted on almost every piece in this case? Pyramids. Interesting. They saw the pyramids of their day, meaning if pre-Dynastics 9,000 BC to, I think, 3,000 or 3,100 BC, they're painting the pyramids before

the mainstream says the pyramids were built, right? So it's stuff like that. Okay, so let's talk about the Kingman crash. So Roswell was 1947. The Aztec crash was 1948. Now we're talking about the Kingman crash of 1953. So again, as you might imagine, the public do nothing about the Kingman event at the time, which remained covered up like Roswell for decades after. First break in the case came again from good old Frank Scully, who wrote many books. I think this one was called Behind the Flying Saucers. He mentioned the Kingman crash, and then other researchers later found additional witnesses that were alive, got their stories, and this crash was eventually resurrected.

So it all starts, Kingman, Arizona, May 18th, 1953. They like the desert, it sounds like. I would say the same thing. Southwest is a hot spot, huh? Or they can't navigate there. They crashed in the Southwest for whatever reason. So during the night of May 18th, 1953, about 40 scientists are quickly boarded onto a bus from Indian Springs Airfield, and they make a long trip out on desert roads to this remote site,

about eight miles northeast of Kingman, Arizona, where something has crashed in the desert. The primary eyewitness for this case was one of these 40 scientists. He was an atomic bomb scientist. So you could say he's probably a pretty smart guy named Arthur G. C. Stanzel, Arthur G. Stanzel, and he worked at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. It's really interesting when you start to study all these crash retrievals. So many roads lead to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. So he's working there. He gets the call along with these other 39 scientists, hey, jump in this bus. We need you out here at the site now. So according to Arthur G. Stanzel, they get out there

and there is a craft embedded in the sand at a 15 degree angle. There were already two huge spotlights that had been set up by the military that were shining on the craft

and you guys can see the photo for this. It was approximately 30 feet in diameter so this one's much smaller than I think the Aztec one which was 99 and a half.

It was 14 feet tall it had a series of slots going around the outer circumference of the disc. It had a brushed aluminum-like surface, and the craft featured a curved entry hatch, but had no hinges whatsoever. And the scientists were told, even before they're getting out of the bus, they're telling, they're told that the craft is made out of terial that is classified. It's above top secret.

basically don't even ask us about the material of the craft. And you can kind of see why if you go down that rabbit hole in your brain, you know, if they find out what this is, then, I mean, why can't we put this on our fighter jets and have them be impenetrable, right? So after making measurements and later studying the crash site, this Arthur G. Stangelo concludes that the craft struck the ground like he assumed at a 1,200 miles per hour.

But it was strangely undamaged. And he said definitely not human made. He said the object, quote, the object was not built by anything, obviously that we know about on earth, and quote. Now here's where this story gets really strange. According to Arthur Stanzel,

there were four humanoid's, found alive inside craft. And he said the humanoid came up to the shoulders of a 5 foot 10 man. And their eyes were slightly further apart than humans. And they had pointed chins. So these entities seem to be a bit different than your typical gray. Almost a little bit more human-like, but not. According to researcher Harry Drew, who did a lot of research on this crash,

there was one humanoid that stood in front of the other three and appeared to be the leader. And there was somehow communication between the high-level military brass and this humanoid commander-like entity. And the entity said, we will go with you under one condition that you do not separate us. And so a deal is made between the retrieval team and these humanoids not to, you know, separate them. take them away apart. The scientists were only allowed to stay on the site, I guess, for about an hour as a group and were quickly loaded back onto the bus and left.

On the way back, every scientist had to raise the right hand and give an oath that they would not disclose what they saw. And so in a hurry to clear this crash site, the Army Corps of Engineers brings in another M25 tank transporter with a long like 18 wheeler tractor trailer behind it and so the core

engineers are out there they build this big scaffold like wooden cradle to go on top of this transporter and they somehow prop the craft up into it to haul it and they quickly head toward

the Hoover Dam and they're just trying to get out of here. But I don't know if it was because it was the time of the morning or what. Too much traffic they felt like they needed to find their own shortcut across the river. So they head towards the river. They string this massive cable across the Colorado River somewhere near this input they found. Then they bring a barge, a massive barge down the river, an attempt to drive the tank

transporter on to the barge. But as the transporter is starting to cross the river, the cable snaps and at one point, the outer wall of the disc slams into Hoover Dam. And so

maybe we should at some point have a blurry expedition to go see if we can find the dent on Hoover Dam. Wow. Hoover Dam is a blurry place anyway, allegedly. Yeah. That's a... That's wild.

Eventually, they somehow cross the river. And then again, according to researcher Harry Drew, they bring the craft. Check this out to a remote operating facility at Groom Lake. This is 1953. I think the U2 spy plane's first flight was 55. We know this is where Lazar saw the craft in the 80s. So this could, in 1953, I mean, it sounds like if this is true, Groom Lake was at least somehow operating.

And researcher Harry Drew interviewed a guy named Colonel Wendell Stevens, who was also part of this retrieval operation. And Wendell Stevens described seeing, again, this is a megalithic connection, a pyramidal rock structure when he was at the site in 1953. According to Harry Drew, he later went to the site and found whatever. that this pyramidal rock structure was. I need to do a deeper dive on that, but according to historian Michael Schrad and others, this is like kind of one of the smoking guns that they believe prove this case to be true, is that this Wendell Stevens said he described this rock structure

and then this Harry Drew somehow finds it. I don't know how big or how small it was, but that is the Kingman Arizona story. Derek, I don't think we brought this up yet, but do you think that if there's a war going on in all realms, there's wars going on in our realm? You know, we war with each other, we build our technology, we shoot each other down. What about in the angelic realm?

Do you think some of these crashes could be the good guys shooting down the bad guys, as easy as that? Hey, maybe that's a possibility by other UFOs. I have my doubts about humans shooting them down from our side. Yeah, I don't think we are. Yeah, just because when you read a lot of these reports, the military has enough, they have a hard time just getting into them themselves, right, once they're crashed.

Right. And so, yeah, maybe it's unfriendly fire in the galactic skies. Maybe it has to do with solar flares, stuff like that. Maybe like we've talked about earlier, it's some kind of operator error or these entities. Clearly they've got bodies. Maybe it has something to do with losing pressurization or getting sick with something. I don't know. Those are my thoughts.

Yeah, it's interesting that they're wearing suits and that there's like these glass panels on the front of them, on some of these. So this idea of pressurization, you know, we see that in normal airplanes today, but could be an intense pressure. And I know that our atmospheres are probably different than what they're used to if we think about this logically. So, yeah, something happens. The plane, the UFO becomes, you know, unpressurized, which could affect the operators instantly, which could maybe reason why they crash. But they're pulling massive Gs if they're actually flying the way that we fly. So maybe they have some sort of pressure system where they can handle that kind of speed. Right.

Yeah, that's why I wonder about pressurization. And it's similar. It's interesting that, you know, when you look at these photos, all these craft are uniquely different, yet they've got the similar look overall, right? Usually with the disc shape in the middle, these porthole-like windows, the metallic-like finish. they seem seamless. And so all of that, man, it's just so interesting to consider.

I was going to say that I think it was very interesting too is the timing here, right? It's May 18th, 1953. President Eisenhower was sworn in January 20th, 1953, and there's some famous lore, including his granddaughter corroborating, saying that Eisenhower did in fact meet with ETs and people hypothesized that there was a deal struck.

And so I think it's fascinating. That apparently didn't happen until a trip in Palm Springs in 1954. But here we have a story, and I'm not sure if this is the first or, but definitely probably not the last of there being, beings there that were taken into, for interviewing or custody or however you wanna,

you wanna talk about it according to this narrative and this account, that's what happened. And within a year or so, less than a year, we have the president of the United States, allegedly, per his own family, leaving a golf trip for a, quote, dentist appointment, emergency dentist appointment, but people believe. And the narrative there is that he went to Edward Darefors base and met with some extraterrestrial entities.

And we can define that however we want. On this podcast, we look at that through a biblical worldview. So there's a lot of thoughts there, but the timing to me is a little interesting. Not they're not saying these are necessarily potentially that, but the fact that there's a story from the 53, it's the same time during Eisenhower's presidency. And we haven't done any episodes on that yet. And it's a fascinating deep dive when we can get the right researcher person on that one. But that's a, there's a lot of hypothesis out there about crashed UFOs, interactions

between our government and some of these, the pilots of these craft. And then, you know, even this very famous or infamous Eisenhower story. So fascinating. And again, I can't get past it. We just said in the beginning, Derek, that these particular, three stories are from a very similar time period within within about eight years, seven, eight years, and they're all in the southwest. They all occur in New Mexico and Arizona. So these UFOs don't like that dry, that dry heat in the cold nights in the desert or

there's something going on there. And we know that Los Alamos, we know that a lot of what was done with the atomic bomb happened in the south, in the southwest, the testing for the Manhattan project, for example. We also know that there's anecdotal stories about, craft interacting with our nuclear bases here, right, and potentially turning them off, right? So there's something. Dude, that's crazy because I just look up the Wikipedia page for the atomic bomb. Just try to get the generic facts because I was thinking there was a connection to.

Well, that's where they did the testing, right? And so, of course, this would have been in the 40s, you know, before, when they were developing the bomb that was ultimately dropped in Japan, the end of the war. But we have very similar proximity. coincidence, sure, it could be. Absolutely could be. Perhaps it's easier to find these things

when they crash in the desert. It could be very simple like that. If they crash in the Canadian wilderness, you're probably not going to find them, right? So there's going to be some of that to it as well. I just find it all very, very interesting. It all kind of, it all could fit. Whether it does or not is one thing, but it could.

I'm glad you brought up the Eisenhower account. I've always found that fascinating. And maybe that could be a part two to this sometime. I definitely think there's a connection with that. and it's just, it's crazy when you start looking into that the supposed agreement that was made, right? Eisenhower Accord, as I call it, right?

So, it's wild. You know, Derek, it makes me think about kind of the thought that I have a lot on our show is that, you know, when you grow up in our system and you learn history, you learn it from three-dimensional worldview. Like, there's just human beings kind of interacting with other human beings. but when you go back and you listen to our podcast and you kind of reread some of the biblical stuff with a 4D lens, you understand that the spiritual realm is interacting with the physical realm here.

And so when you plug these things in, you start to, you know, you see it in four dimensions. You start to see these historical accounts from a different worldview. But what I do love, though, is that it's always some farmer on the side of the mountain, whether you see angels telling you the birth of Messiah or you see a UFO skipping across the desert floor. It's always someone out there with some animals. So if you want to see something blurry, become a farmer, get some goats or some sheep or whatever, get out and see what you can see.

Shepard's a good line of work for having an angelic encounter. I think that is another reason for the supposed cover-up is that. that if the public knew, for instance, that governments had this kind of technology, you wouldn't need the internal combustion engine. You wouldn't need all these things. There would be, we could travel with ease, right? We talked about the flying cars before. I mean, there's so many other purposes that would make life easier, right?

if this kind of technology was harnessed for good and not just for fighting machines or flying craft. That's interesting. That's a good angle. I mean, right, it's a tool to enslave. You have asymmetrical war, essentially, right? And you can also hold this to keep people in the machine or in the matrix, or whatever you want to say it, right? It's, man, Derek, this is fun.

This is out. It's so funny how it feels out of the realm. of megalithic marvels, but then it all comes back and there's symmetry. It makes sense, right? And then we start talking about, you know, the idea of finding, you know, interesting and interesting things in the Bible, whether it be Daniel and the Prince of Persia, which is one we like to bring up a lot about traveling or you have, you know, these stories from Nuremberg that we covered Nate on the show of these things happening.

the sky, but these things can be ancient and also old and then also new. And yet here we are, it does fit. You have hieroglyphics and you have, you know, all the above. All roads as a joke kind of do come back to Egypt and to ancient history and understanding the past, understand the present, right? And so, yeah, I mean, as always, the research is meticulous. And we were grateful for that. And this was fun.

This is a fun little outroad, you know, from our usual conversations on giants. and bones and megaliths, which I absolutely adore. Those are my most favorite because I just love history. So this was great, man. So hey, as always, tell people where they can interact what you're doing and maybe what you're up to. If we talked to the top, I just got back from Egypt. Yeah, we had an amazing trip to Egypt pretty much last week.

It was incredible. Just a great bunch of people. And like I said, at the top of the show, I came back with more questions, I think. this time. Yeah, I got a Peru trip in October and that's going to be fun. I'm going to on the heels of you guys. You guys are going this month, right? Last week. Yeah. Incredible. So we've got some tours you look forward to and then, yeah, other than that, I've been doing some more with the history podcast so people can follow

Megalithic Marvel's podcast. I've been always busy on the gram as you guys. know and having fun so that's basically it well Derek don't go inventing a car that runs on water and get disappeared okay yeah seriously bro needs you around because that seems to be the theme you know everyone from Tesla down if you if you invent something that they don't like either and they can't hire you then you disappear Tesla yeah I think Tesla tapped into some of what we're talking about whether it was ancient advanced technology. And it's crazy to consider he did it in the 1800s. And yeah, I've been studying his life a bit more of these days.

And that's another fascinating subject we could get into some time. Even the Tesla technology. There was some crazy mystery surrounding his birth. Did you guys know he was apparently born at the stroke of midnight during a lightning storm? Wow. This is blurry. This is definitely. and that's a teaser for one of our future podcasts.

Yeah, hey, stay good out there. We need you for BlurieCon 25 sometime. You know, we got a lot of things to do. 24. 24, I mean, whatever. It was fun, guys. Thanks for that. Yeah, 25.

Don't skip 24. Come on now. Come on now. What year is it? I meant like the 25th edition of BlurieCon. Like, we're all in our 80s. Yeah. Or whatever.

Luke went through a portal on this episode. Skip to hear. I'm back now. Yeah. And that's what happens. I made the 25th edition. That was a poor choice. It's all right.

It'd be like blurry content or something. You'd be like, we're not going to the past to do that one. Derek, love you, man. Just skip it ahead. Thanks for coming on the show and always just, just supporting what we do. And just being a friend in the space, man. There's a lot.

There's a lot of people out there trying to make noise and figure it out. but I think at school, you know, that we have a lot in common and we're... Yeah. Become good friends and I just appreciate you, man, really. And I know... Yeah. I'll just say, we're just glad to... Glad to know you, man.

This is... It's good to call your friend. You're a good man, and you do... You do exceptional work. And so we are very at the baseline. Just glad to... You have your friendship, man. I'm grateful for you in this space.

Ditto that. I'm grateful for you guys. It's great to have bros you can lean on when things get tough in some of the spaces we do. You guys know what I'm talking about. So thanks for your support. And it's just cool to cooler run together. And I really believe we're living in an extremely exciting times where people's minds are being awake like never before. And we get to be part of that.

So thanks again, guys. It's true, man. that's good put the plug in some of that ancient alien stuff that seems to be taken over everyone's minds you know it's good to have I know you're creating content 24 7 well everyone out there go go go at least like we say follow Derek on Instagram and uh

subscribe to the podcast hit up hit up his website and uh go on his trips he's got two trips coming up get some tickets and get blurry yeah very blurry. Get in the bone zone. Thanks guys.

Never leave. Thanks, Dee. Good to see you, bro. See you, Derek. Thanks for hanging for a couple hours here. I appreciate it. Bye, bro.