Blurry Creatures - EP: 177 Children in the Woods

Episode Date: July 11, 2023

This week we bring on two women who share their own stories of Satanic Abuse for the first time. Their story is chilling & difficult to hear but it is not uncommon. Thousands of adult "survivors" have undergone therapy and or suddenly "remembered" these horrible abuses done to them as children. Now going mainstream, these stories are a current public concern about child abductions, which true believers claim number in the thousands, if not millions annually. Survivors all say the conspiracy is almost invincible, covers the world, and involves key power players in the courts, education, politics, religion, and society in general. Thank you to our guests for their bravery in sharing their stories and helping bring awareness to such terrible crimes against humanity. Listen with an open mind.  Intro song: TimeCop1983 contact: [e-mail] blurrycreatures.com Socials instagram.com/blurrycreatures facebook.com/blurrycreatures twitter.com/blurrycreatures Music Kyle Monroe: tinytaperoom.com Aaron Green: https://www.instagram.com/aaronkgreen/ Mastering: ironwingstudios.com Outro Song: TimeCop1983: timecop1983.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Luke so often, people email us and they have this story. They're out in their woods and they're looking in the bushes. and they go, what's that? And when you are pouring your dog food and your dog's bowl, that's the last thing you want to say. What is that? What is the stuff coming out of this bag? You know, I don't think a lot of us think about maybe what we feed our dogs.

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However, the name of Jesus would bring him to his knees. And this is important for the listeners. The most high-level demon in this very high-level satanic cult that involved mafia and freemasons and politicians. The name of Jesus would bring this demon or man or whatever to his knees. He would get very angry when I prayed because when they would come after the kids, I would step in front of them many times. And they would say to me, well, then you have to take the punishment. And I would take it for some of the other kids because I hated that they got hurt.

And the kids, I tended to be a bit of a mother figure to the kids. And so I would have them do stuff to me instead of the other kids. And I would take some of the torture so that the kids didn't have to. And I don't know what they did to them after, but I would pray with the kids sometimes. And when I did, he would start screaming. And then all of a sudden, this light came through. And it was almost like this piece.

I didn't hear anything. It was a feeling. It was like this piece. But it didn't fit because it was torment all around me. And then there was this like peaceful light that just kind of shot through me. And it happened so fast and it threw salt and pepper back with that thing in his hand that was inside of me tearing

me, it threw him back right on his ass holding this. And then all of a sudden, this light came through. Welcome back to blurry creatures. This week we have a complicated episode, to say the least. Sometimes Luke and I get emails and we have to make the call. A lot of times we don't bring stuff on our show. Not sure. Just have to kind of go with our intuition and judgment on things.

We don't try to sensationalize anything on this podcast. Sometimes we try, take risks, and bring on as legit stories as we can. We got an email from two ladies who found each other later on in life, who had been through satanic ritual abuse, and one of them, who's now a doctor, she didn't have the dissociative identity disorder, and she remembers a lot of what she experienced. And she's never told her story before.

And they're older women, they're mothers of their own, and we just hope that you'll have an open mind and listen to this. Nobody wants to talk about these things. And in so many ways we didn't want our podcast to go here. But if you want to know where these creatures come from and how they fit into this story and that it's not just rogue cryptids out there all, you have to go here. And this is the power of the gospel. This is the power of overcoming horrific evil in our world.

And it's very applicable to what's going on. and some of the people trying to raise the alarm right now about what's happening to kids out there. So listen to this one with an open mind. Thank you for these two women who came on our show. Luke and I feel they're very genuine and they didn't ask for anything. They didn't ask for any money.

They didn't ask for any accolades. They didn't even want their full names on there. Here's our honest story. Do with it what you can. So if this is your first time listening to Blurry Creatures and you have children, especially, this is not the episode for them. them. And this might not be the episode for you. It takes a lot of episodes to get your mind ready

for what you're about to hear. So don't write us off completely. Go back and listen to some of the other stuff first. Yeah, I say all that because this is hard. It's hard to hear. It's hard to interview. It's hard to believe that it's true. But I think our heart, as always, is to find better answers on blurry creatures. So with that, let's get these women on the show and hear their story. Thank you so much for those who support the podcast and help us do this. Pray for us. Send us messages. Buy merch and t-shirts. You guys have just, you supported everything we do. And we can't say thank you enough. And for those who take a chance to air their story for the first time on our show, thank you. Thank you for being brave. And hope you learned something from this

one. Thank you. The history of our earth is so different from what we. can imagine. The Smithsonian, that if they found out about a large skeleton somewhere, was to go get it. I'm going to assume at least one person is right, because if one person's right, it's bust the paradigm. It all goes back to the fallen chair. And the problem with the modern-day church, they have a very truncated view of the supernatural.

This backdrop that's just pregnant with all kinds of meaning associated with this Mount Herman event. And this guy defects from the kingdom. That's a big deal. Actually, I just had given birth to my youngest daughter. It was probably April 2009. And we actually, as victims of SRA, satanic ritual abuse, we don't actually sleep. And I think a lot of us don't sleep. But one of the side effects of the programs is that they torture you by never allowing you to sleep.

So we spent most of our life awake, like literally, we'll go months without sleeping, and that's not uncommon. So I was up at, it was exactly like 3 a.m. in the morning, and I had this yard that had a meadow, and then it had a pond right in my backyard. And then there was a trail that was behind the pond, and then there was a river behind the trail and then woods. So I had all kinds of water sources, woods and everything. And it was a full moon.

And so the yard was lit up beautiful. And I was looking outside, I was up as I always am, and I was looking into the backyard, which you could see the pond very clearly. You could see the trail very clearly. And all of a sudden, and I wasn't looking for Bigfoot. I didn't expect it. And just like you were saying on one of the last podcasts I listened to, there's some people that go their whole lives looking for Bigfoot, never find him.

And then there's a lady that will drive by and hit Bigfoot like eight times or whatever. Yeah, that's the truth. Yeah. Well, people say they live with him. You're like, there was a guy. There was a guy we met at Tim Alberino's conference. It was here in Nashville, he, the birthright conference. And he basically gave us his card and said he lives with a family of Bigfoot.

And I mean, we were early on too. And I was just like, oh, okay. Like, how's that? You know? Anyway, it's. I believe anything at this point. Trust me, we've seen so much. I believe anything.

So I was looking and I always look out into the woods when I couldn't sleep and I would just go outside. I literally would just go outside and just lay in the ground, whether it was snowing or raining or whatever and just stay and just pray all night long. And I was looking and I all of a sudden I saw this huge, I knew it was Bigfoot immediately. There was no question in my mind. Ape-like man creature. And I could even see the color of his hair, which was like a chestnut, like a chestnut reddish, round. And I would say he was probably about seven feet. And he was like, I would call it a trot because he wasn't running fast, but he was definitely running. Galloping. Yeah, like a gallop.

Gallop. That's an inside joke. On the path. But the weird thing, this is what's weird. And I've never heard anyone say this who seemed big fit. And I will stand by this because I saw what I saw. he was using his he had long arms and he was using his arms to run you know i don't know if you can like a gorilla like kind of like a gorilla does or a chip yeah yeah and i've never heard anyone else say that but that's what he was doing and he was and he was running he was going fast because he was tall and he had a longer stride and i was looking at oh my god no one's going to believe me no one's going to believe me. And I just was staring at him in awe.

And I had my camera in the other room. And I'm like, I was trying, I was vacillating in my mind whether or not I should go get the camera. Because I'm like, if I get the camera, I'm going to miss this whole thing. If I don't get the camera, I won't get it on film, but I'll get to see all of what happens, you know? So I stood there for a while and I watched him like trotting. And he was trotting like on the path, which was kind of funny because I'm like, let me tell you I watched that path like two three times a day and at night time I would walk that path every single single night and it was very ironic thinking he uses the same path I do into the woods

and um I watched them for a couple minutes and then I went to turn towards my door because I'm like I'm going to get my camera and then I know I shouldn't and I turned back and I saw him pick up his run and he dashed off the path into some brush which led into like the woods and sort of like a wet area where there was like a little bit of river but not a lot of river

and that was the last of it but I've never been able to walk through those woods the same way again knowing that well if there's one there's probably others probably more. You know people often talk about like does there any smells or did it make it I didn't smell so I was inside.

Oh you're inside yeah yeah yeah Did you hear anything, though? Was it like, was it yelling at you? Nope. And he was mine in his own business. He was completely unaware of me. But I saw him very clearly because there was a big, huge full moon. And it was shining right down on that path.

Yeah, it's pretty cool. When did this happen? This was in 2009, I think, like, it was in either April or May, because my daughter was born in April. And I was, you know, an infant and I was up. Hmm. Hey, nothing like starting off an episode with a Bigfoot together. I know. But I'm sure you probably, you said you didn't, you didn't think about Bigfoot before that or?

I believed. I never thought about Bigfoot. I totally believed in him just because there's been very many supernatural things that have happened in our lives. I believed in him, but I never gave him a second thought. It wasn't a subject that I spoke about ever. It wasn't anything I researched. But after that, of course, I did now. That's somewhat of a transition into, I know the not-so-fun part of the story today,

which is, you know, all the things that you guys have experienced. And I don't know how to, these are tough conversations to have, and I don't know where you want to start. I know we've talked to Laura in depth about, you know, she brought on, I think that was the first time we actually had a survivor on Luke. Yeah, with Elle. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. And it's, you know, it's sensitive. information and a sensitive topic, but thanks for coming on the show and we're willing to talk about some of these things that we talk about on our show. I don't think Luke and I anticipated that, you know, when we were talking about, originally we started this podcast talking about Bigfoot and sightings and things like that, that people would want to come on and share other things that are related to the blurry, the blurry creatures out there, so to speak. Yes, so I will, I'm going to start and segue into Michelle because she's going to be the one who's

mostly talking because she has most of the memories, but I just wanted to let you guys know as a preface, a couple of things. First, we're both Christians, and we believe in the power and the authority of the name of Jesus Christ. And that is exactly what freed both of us. And quite literally, she had a supernatural experience, which we will get into in the middle of the woods during a ceremony that actually freed her. So we are devout, Christians, we know that the only name that has authority over Satan and his demons is the name of Jesus. So we wanted to establish that. Secondly, we know, especially after listening to Dr. Lauren L., we know that there are millions and millions of people who have experienced satanic ritual abuse out there who actually don't know it.

And they have no memory of it and they might have nightmares at night and they don't know why they might have weird health problems. They might have be actually very tortured souls without knowing why. Or maybe they think that they came from an abusive household because they did. But that's just a cover for what really happened. And we're speaking to them today. We're speaking to the unheard voices, the souls who have been tortured, who feel like even if they do remember that they can't possibly share this. no one will believe them, or there'll be an assignment against them from the enemy if they do share it, because the enemy doesn't want this to be told.

And so these story, or these stories today are for those people out there. We encourage them, whoever they are, if they're listening, to reach out to us to find a relationship with Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, because deliverance is the only thing that can set them free. Michelle and I have never spoken about this to anyone. And her story is tremendous. And this is the first time she has spoken. She has been under attack by the enemy all week because they don't want her speaking about this

and having a voice. This is going to be very difficult for her. Very difficult. We prayed before we got on, by the way. And also, you're going to notice that we speak about it And I won't, she'll do Moses speaking, but I may jump in occasionally. But when she's telling her story or we're telling her story or our story, we're going to sound very disconnected emotionally from it. And they call it flat effect.

But it's only because that's the only way we can get through telling it without falling apart. So it's not that, oh, we're faking it. This didn't happen. They're speaking about these rituals or sacrifices or cannibalism or the cruxies. or the cryptids as if they're reading off a grocery list. We have to. She has to in order to survive and get through it. You have to remove yourself.

But she and I cry together all the time. We hold each other. We cry and we pray. And that's really what it's like. But, you know, for this presentation, it's not going to be like that. It's probably going to be very without emotion. That's on purpose. I'm glad you guys have each other.

and you guys Yeah And I'm glad you still have your faith You know I think a lot of people Going through these things that They could easily get angry at God about it And

And walk away So That's exactly what they try to do And they include A lot of Christian Ceremonies and rituals in it So that you associate Christianity in Jesus

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But her whole family was involved, including her grandmother, her parents, her brother. There's going to be a house that was the porno house, we're going to call it. There's going to be the warehouse. That's where a lot of the children were kept in cages and a lot of the ceremonies happened and a lot of the torture. They had medical rooms in the warehouse. So the doctors and nurses were on staff around the clock. There's going to be Disneyland and then Disney World. There's going to be the woods where there were a lot of cryptids in the woods involved.

And there's going to be in the caves. And there's a lot of cryptids in the caves involved. So with that, I'm going to hand it over to Michelle. I don't really know where you want me to start. Do you want me to just start, like, kind of a general overview of what happened? Yeah. I mean, it's so hard for us because, like, I mean, what we usually do in these situations just kind of give you guys the floor. Because, I mean, I used to talk about, you know, being sort of emotionally disconnected from the stories, but I think Luke and I are going to try to be emotionally sensitive to the story, you know, and I don't, I don't want to talk to you like a podcaster and, like, try to get, you know, the details.

I just, whatever you want to talk about, because I know both of us haven't experienced anything like this. So I, you know, I feel like whatever you want to talk about and whatever you feels relatable to people. And I, we're just appreciative of some of these recounts of these stories, you know, so, but. I appreciate you guys bringing light to this too. I mean, it needs to be talked about. Yeah. So please feel free to jump in and like, ask me any questions, stop me. You know, it doesn't bother me.

Okay, okay, okay. I wrote some notes. So if you see me looking away, I'm not trying to. No problem. No, no. disrespectful. There's a lot of information here. No, but I think Dr. Michelle, if you do want to start with like a, you know, because if you're listening to a

story like contextually, it's just a brighter little context, maybe in a little bit over you like that might be helpful just so people can kind of set themselves in the space, you know? So, um, so I went, basically this whole thing started as far back as I remember. My earliest memories were my father touching me on the changing table. So I remember that. And then by the time I was three, he started raping me. and that went on, I lived in Western New York and there was a huge ring, a huge, huge ring that went on that to my understanding is still going on.

Mafia, doctors, politicians, like a lot of really big people that came in. And so my father was doing this to me and he started taking me to what Cheryl referred to as the porno house, just because we're trying to separate this so it makes sense when I tell the story. And at this house, there were a lot of very high level politicians, doctors, lawyers that came in and they would make movies with us and they would drug us. And there were many children that were there. This went on for quite a while. And so they would drug us. They would have us do things to each other, the kids.

There were snuff films. There were clergy that would come in from churches and a lot of mafia and a lot of things. that. At home, my brother, who was five years older than me, was also raping me and hurting me on the side. He was also involved in this porno house as well. My father's sister, brothers, like people, it was just so many people involved. And her father's sister was a nurse. And they had, you know, like Michelle was saying, a lot of high level people. This is a very high level organization. So they had doctors. on staff and nurses on staff to administer drugs or to, you know, help with whatever, who also very involved with the satan, they were part of this satanic, I don't know if you would call it a coven, but they also would do the ceremonies and stuff as well. So we were, as children, they taught and forced us to torture each other. And then one of the ways they would keep us quiet is by blaming me and saying that it was

my fault or I wanted it. There were times they'd cut the power and they would do like a hunger. game scenario where they would make us crawl around on her hands and knees and they would chase us. They had, okay, so there's, yeah, the sum of it's hard for her to say. There was like beastiality, forced bestiality, force. They would force the children and they would separate the, they would know immediately who were the weak-willed children and who were the strong-willed. Michelle is one of the strong-willed children. So she was one of the, and not that there's a correlation between one of the chosen and what their wills were,

but she was also one of the chosen ones. We don't to this day understand what that means if it's bloodline or whatever, but they were always taken her blood and her urine, but they would have, like, force them into bestiality and force the children to torture each other because then they would say to the children to break their will and see, look, you're just like one of us, you know. You killed her, you know.

You are evil like us. you know, you're one of us, you're going to come to our side, you know, and work on them psychologically. So whether they came to their side or not, if they didn't, they'd be tortured for the rest of their lives, thinking they're an abuser or murderer and whatever you want to do it. So this went on simultaneously at this, like at the same time that there was the warehouse. And at the warehouse, so I was, they were taking me and what they would do is they would drug me. My father would come into my room at night. He would drug me. and then I would come to in the back of a trunk of a vehicle.

And I used to listen so I wouldn't panic because I would be bound and gagged in the back of a car. And I would listen for the sounds, you know, that a car makes. And I would count how many times we stopped. And I would just learn to focus on the details. And I used to pray a lot. I used to just pray a lot. And I grew up in church, not huge religion, but like I grew up Presbyterian at a church. And I just knew that I loved God and I wanted to pray.

And so I would pray. And that was the only hope I had was to pray. And you, it sounds like you remember everything. It sounds like you have, I mean, obviously as a baby and changing table, you have this. And I think that's probably the harder part is you do remember everything. But a lot of people in this situation, they don't, they don't remember everything. I didn't remember everything at first, though. This came through years.

Okay. This wasn't just, I remembered. I didn't remember for a long time. And I drank and I drugged. And I did all sorts of stuff in my early adult. because I couldn't handle these big feelings that were coming up and I would have these flashes. I mean, I was in college doing a really hard, you know, really difficult career. And I was having memories popping up nonstop.

And I was going to a counselor at my college to be able to process this and do 33 credits every trimester in college. And it was insane. So this came through many, many years. And a lot of the SRA stuff came when I met Cheryl, because she, started asking questions and started seeing things. And then it was like a dam on leashed and everything just came through. So this has been a process. It wasn't all at once. Wow. And do you think when they're doing this to children, when they're taking children into these places, that there is some

sort of map or some sort of system that they're doing it? Or are they just randomly doing crazy stuff? I think there's a system. I mean, even with this warehouse, like they, they started taking me, again, my earliest memories. So I had two ongoing situations. There was this, for lack of a better term, this porno house. And it was like this kind of drug-infected apartment in downtown Niagara Falls that they would take me to. And then there was this huge warehouse. And this was the place where all the other stuff happened. And this warehouse, again, I would be drugged put in the back, you know, the trunk of a car. So I never knew where it was. And I would be carried in. And there was this huge warehouse. And there was a pentagram on the floor. There was a huge bed in the center of it. There were cages in the corner that

they would keep the kids in, including me sometimes. Hundreds of cages. There was a hallway with many rooms. And in some rooms, there would be medical, you know, that we would have to get medical care. In other rooms, they would do, like, put up videos and they would brainwash us and try to say things in our ears. In another room, they would put electrodes on my head and monitor brain activity. They would take my blood and urine all the time. And I never knew why. But they kept telling me that I was very important. Interesting.

And then. Swirling. Yeah. And then there was, there were a lot of children here. And this is where the mainstay happened. They would put swarms of bees into the cages to terrify us. They would have cattle prods that they would poke. I said they had nurses and things and doctors on staff to perform abortions and different

things like that. They had women who taught us how to do things sexually. And there was, there was a group of men. And one of them in particular, and I don't know his name, because they weren't allowed to use names, but I referred to him as Salt and Pepper because of the color of his hair. And he was, he was the main guy there. And everybody would kind of bow to him and serve him. And he was the one who would perform rituals and do things. And he would, he would actually we don't know if he was a man who was demon possessed or if he was a demon who came in the form of man, but he would shapeship all the time into cryptic creatures and also into demons. And he would fly across the room and he would manifest things like scrolls and satanic Bibles.

And all of a sudden, like, you know, he would have her sign oaths and she'll get into that. But he would manifest it and was just a pair like hovering in the air. would like literally the pen or the the blood would be signing like by itself and he would I mean he would terrorize her but he was very very very high up and we don't know to this day if he was a man who was just literally quite literally possessed but there was and we'll get to this at some point we're trying to stay in order but there we don't know if he Satan was manifesting through him or if he was Satan as a man because There was a ceremony, which we'll get to, but that when she got her period, they had a satanic bridal ceremony and she married him.

And so we still can't figure out what exactly he was, but he clearly had supernatural powers, incredible supernatural powers. However, the name of Jesus would bring him to his knees. And this is important for the listeners. to the most high-level demon in this very high-level satanic cult that involved mafia and freemasons and politicians. The name of Jesus would bring this demon or man or whatever to his knees. He would get very angry when I prayed because when they would come after the kids, I would step in front of them many times. And they would say to me, well, then you have to take the punishment. and I would take it for some of the other kids

because I hated that they got hurt and the kids, I tended to be a bit of a mother figure to the kids. And so I would have them do stuff to me instead of the other kids. And I would take some of the torture so that the kids didn't have to. And I don't know what they did to them after,

but I would pray with the kids sometimes. And when I did, he would start screaming. And the men would get really angry. And like they didn't like me praying at all. They would be very, very angry. Jesus and so whenever I'd prayed I would get yelled at and screamed at. And so this whole process happened. And there'd be a lot of people who came into the warehouse. There was always a very busy place. There were a lot of men. The women tended to be the caretakers. You know, they were the ones

who were like teaching us or giving us some kind of false comfort. There were a lot of drugs. I was drugged a lot. I know I was impregnated many times. I said when I got my cycle, they had a big ceremony, like celebrating it. And that salt and pepper guy raped me and started howling afterwards. Like an animal. And there was, and his eyes would turn, turn red. They would glow. And he would kind of, this sounds crazy.

Listen, I know it. This took me so long to finally be able to say, this is real. And do you understand why people would be afraid to come forward with this? Yeah. Because it does sound crazy, but she's not crazy. We're not crazy. and whoever's listening out there, you're not crazy. You're not crazy.

But he would come across the room and he would literally like fly across the room and pounce. And it was this, it was like in an instant. Like in an instant. And his eyes would glow red. And other kids are saying this too or are you by yourself with him? No, there were other kids saying this. There were other people in the room that saw all this. I said there was a huge main room where they had this bed always set up.

Wow. There was always a bed, a huge bed. bed and that's where they did a lot of this. And they also had different slabs of cement that they would do, I think, like giving birth and other horrible things on. And then they had a pentagram in the center on the ground. It was like carved into the ground. And they would get robes on and they would stand and do different rituals.

Speak in demonic tongues. They would, when they would abort a child from me, they would take the blood and they would like they would do a whole ceremony on my body. And they would force me to eat some of it. They would, they would offer it up. They would, and I don't know,

I don't know if they kept any of them. And I didn't believe this. And then when I was in my, my late 20s, before I gave birth to my, thank God, I was able to have two beautiful, healthy children.

But I had to go in for surgery and the doctor came out and said, have you ever been pregnant? And I said, no, And she said, I just had to remove four hours of scar tissue from your uterus. And she's like, this is impossible. You couldn't have not been pregnant multiple, like something. Multiple abortions.

And I was like, no. So this is part of what all happened. And there were a lot of kids involved. And I said I tended to mother the children. And there was one girl in particular named Sarah. And she was very weak-willed and very, I think she had a lot. She had a hard time with it. They probably broke her and fractured her into multiples,

but they try to break your... I'm not saying people who are weak that have multiple. Don't hear me, Rob. But she just had a very kind of weak demeanor, and I used to really nurture her. And one day, they wanted me to do something to her, and I wouldn't. And they ended up killing her.

And they blamed me, and they told me it was my fault. They killed her in front of Michelle. Oh, my gosh. And tried to have her participated. Oh, man. I was the best friend who she nurtured that entire time and helped. And, you know, they used to be in the cage together. And she'd hold her and sing to her and pray with her.

And they wanted Michelle to torture her. And Michelle said no. So he got mad at me, Salt and Pepper, because I wouldn't do it. And so after he blamed me and I was sobbing and on my knees, sorry, I have a cat who's very angry. She can't be in here. if you hear her in the background, he started screaming at me and thought he had finally broke me because one of the things they would say a lot is, why won't you break? Why won't you break? And they

would get very angry with me. He put his hand over my head and started waving it around me. And there was a circle of fire that went around me. And he started speaking in demonic tongues, enchanting and doing witchcraft. And I was, I felt like I was about to break. Like, I just couldn't take it. I taken care of this girl for years, and I felt personally responsible for her. And I felt just as I was about to break, I felt this surge come up through me. My will came back, and I started screaming at him, no, no, no. And when I did that, this circle of fire disappeared and his hand flung off my head.

And things like that started happening. That was the Holy Spirit. And I had like shivers through me, but I got my will back. And like I just had, like I was still very devastated, but like I wasn't going to let him win. And so these are the kinds of things that were happening. And he was kind of defuddled by me. And they, they would do horrible things to me, like gang rape and sodomy and making me eat their excretions and torture me, trying to break me. And I would always close my eyes and pray.

And I would close my eyes and I would kind of stare off. into the distance, into the corner. And I always swore that I saw angels. I don't know if I did, but there was something that kept me somewhat together. I will say when I was really little, I did go to Disneyland and Disney World, and I was programmed there. They took me into buildings when I was there. And it's a small world on Splash Mountain, and then they would do things to me. They would tell them with a Mickey in the room.

Yeah, they had a Mickey Mount. They would give us plush stuffed animals from Disney, and I'll get back to the warehouse. I just thought this was important. And they had someone dress up as Mickey Mouse and rape us. And I had this like obsession with Disney world my whole life and couldn't figure out why. And I just had to purge my home of like thousands of dollars of Disney, you know, merchandise because I was like obsessed with going there and couldn't figure out why. So they would take us, they took us to a secret room at Disneyland as well as Disney World.

And there was all sorts of programming and movies and. and rape and torment that went on. Jeez. So that's part of what happened. And as far as the warehouse goes, this stuff just kept going on. So sometimes I would go and they like wouldn't let us eat or drink for like, like my mother was involved.

And my mother would also go away to a summer home we had. So my dad would have free reign of me. Oh, yeah. Tell them your parents who your mother, what, didn't graduate high school and your father didn't. And you worked for the city. selling parts. Just the idea and I have her falls.

And yet they had a summer home and she would overhear them talking at night about how much money they made. We had multiple cars in the summer home. How much money they made off of Michelle and how when she got her period, they were all so excited and the her father. She overheard her father talking to her mother at night. We can make a lot more money now because, you know, she's had her period. And so she hurt.

But we, we believe very strongly that her entire family, this SRA went back for genera. went back for generations because of the involvement of her grandmother and her parents. And it's like, you know, studies have shown that when a mother, you know, when there's SRA involved, when the father abuses, sexually abuses their child, it's different than when a mother does because her mother was involved too. When a mother sexually abuses a child, it's most likely because there's a program in there because it just goes against the very nature of a mother and a child, you know. It's abomination to what God had intended and created.

So a lot of times there's a programming in there when a mother sexually abuses one of their children. So anyways. So this went on. And then after the warehouse went on for a while, they started taking into these caves. And they would do ceremonies outside in the woods. And we would, I don't remember, they would drug me a lot. So a lot of times I wouldn't know how or where we got to someplace, how far away it was, but there would be these caves.

So they started taking me to these caves. I feel like it was after I got my cycle that they started taking me to these caves. It might have been before. I honestly don't remember the exact age. But there were these caves and it was underground. We would go down underground and there would be these carved out like caves with the cement slab in the center. and they had different rooms and in some of them they had like

glass in case like a viewing area over top and there would be these aliens that came in like these these like gray looking aliens with really long arms and legs and they wouldn't they wouldn't hurt me but they were like studying me in detail and they would have some more aliens that were up

in the glass looking down like watching and they would have my body naked on this slab like strap down and they would just be like touching my abdomen they didn't sexually abuse me they would like touch my abdomen and like they would talk in a language I didn't understand and then sometimes they would just look at each other and not talk at all but I felt like they were communicating and they would they would touch my abdomen and and I just felt like they were like looking inside of me or something it was weird. This is my chicken sandwich from 7-Eleven people always call me loud and I'm like you

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she was like devoid of a soul. There was nothing to her. And her eyes were black and her skin was pale. And she would come in, but she would just move so, fast. It was like instant the way she would move around the room. And it was like scary. And then there was a a werewolf and the werewolf was probably the scariest of all of them. It was like this werewolf creature and he came in the room and just viciously raped me. And that one was probably

the scariest of all of them. And I was drugged for all of these. But the werewolf like did damage, like tore me apart. I interject. I think it's important for you guys to know that they did a lot of horrific physical damage, but then they would do what I term, demonic healings. They would. Well, after the werewolf did that,

the salt and pepper came in and put his hand over my abdomen, and I feel this heat go through me. And then it would be a little better. So I don't know exactly what they did, but again, I know this sounds insane, but like these are the kinds of things that I experienced. No, I mean, Dan DeVall talked about this on our episodes with him. You know, he said that they...

The guy that was burnt to a crisp, you guys had, I spoke about that on one of your podcasts. I think it was Dan DeVall was saying that he had a gentleman with whom he was working, and the guy went through SRA and said they lit him on fire and they burnt him to a crisp, and then they demonically healed him. But he can still, to this day, remember. the feeling of being burnt to a crypt even though he was healed. Oh, I remember that on a podcast and I'm sure you have a... Yeah, and there's the other thing too where when we talked to Tim, Nate,

the varicocha one where these beings would go through these villages. And we don't know if it was angelic or if it was, you know, good guys, or the bad guys, but they were doing healings and stuff. And there's these old stories. So yeah, there's something weird to that, right? And then you go back to Exodus and you look at the the supernatural power of the magicians in Pharaoh's court, be able to do a lot of things to an extent. And then you always shows like, you can't do this.

Like my snake's in your snake. And we're going to escalate this to a point you don't. So there is absolutely power. And then you have witch doctors, right? I mean, there's a lot of precedence for this where there's some semblance of supernatural power where the darkness has. And, you know, I tend to think, and there's just my, is my opinion, obviously.

So that it's meant to, you know, to enslave at the end of the day, right? So you have this, it's just enough power, just a taste of this enough power that it, there's something bad that happens along with it, whether it be a curse or whatever else, because it can't be, if it's done by, you know, by darkness, it can't, it can ultimately not be good, right? And I wonder if, it's just, yeah, there's some weird stuff. So this is not out of what we find in the biblical context. This is not out of what we hear from anecdotally. So it's just very interesting, right?

You guys are right. Dan has a lot of stories about weird things like this as well. Well, I don't think it would be so alluring to that, to those people, to the politicians, to the people of influence. If they didn't have, they didn't receive something more than just accolades. Yeah, that makes sense. You know what I mean? Like they're lured into a, a, a, a religion, a, you know, and this, these, these, these, these, these, practices go all the way back. We hear, you know, all over the world. We see these remnants of these

dynasties where they were doing these things. And it's, it's not a modern thing. I think a lot of people think, oh, this is crazy. But this has been going on since the golden age, since they figured out how they, how to unlock sort of how to these rules of the spiritual realm. They knew what would they could do to receive something in the spiritual realm. And I think that was some of the knowledge that we weren't supposed to have. Right. Yeah. So there were a lot of crypted creatures and there were a lot in the caves.

There was like, there was like an ant man. There was a giant, a giant giant ant. There was a dog man, salt and pepper would shape shift into almost a werewolf looking creature, but it wasn't the same as the one who hurt me. He would sometimes shapeshift into somebody with these big horns. So these kinds of things would happen in the cave And there were other children in the caves

Like I could hear them down the hall in the caves And they would take us down there for different things One of the big ones was the ceremonies That they would do out in the woods And they would again drug us And put us in the back of a van And we would kind of come to out in the forest And they had this

They had a few areas But they would have a cleared area And they would have a big fire in a slab And the cryptid creatures were always at these ceremonies Wow. So the locations of these places, I'm trying to get a visual on. Like you said there was like some warehouse near Niagara Falls. I don't know if it was in Niagara Falls.

I mean, Niagara Falls is a very small area, but there's areas around it that are very, are very woodsy, a lot of areas. There's a lot of open area in western New York, a lot. Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, within 15, 20, you've been there. So within 15, 20 minutes, you could be what's in what's referred to as the southern tier, and there's a ton of land. So, you know, I don't know how far they drove, but we would. But you're in this, are you in the same area?

Are they taking you long distances? I don't feel like it was a long distance. I feel like it was a somewhat shorter distance. And we would be out in these wooded areas. And they would have these ceremonies and the cryptic creatures would be there. And there was one of the biggest nights, they were. doing this whole thing that night was sacrifice and they had they were all dressed in robes and they were chanting and they had me on a stone altar on a cross and um they were they were

killing other kids and they had this huge poker that they had it was it looked like fire embers and they were they were killing the kids with us geez and i speak of this very monon atone because I have to, so please understand that. And they gave it to me and told me I had to do it, and I wouldn't to children. And they kept trying to force me, and they put their hands over mine and forced one of them into the children and killed one of the kids and told me it was my fault. And I just couldn't take it anymore. And I started crying and I just, I started begging God to die.

like I just didn't want to be here anymore and I said I couldn't take it anymore and I was done. And they took this poker that they had lifted you up. Oh, yeah, they lifted me up on the cross. They had her on a cross. And they took this big poker and they put it inside of me and I could feel it tearing me up. And I started screaming and I said I was done and started praying. And I said, I just told God, I'm done. I can't do this anymore.

I give up. I give up. I'm done. She was 14 years old. And at that point, I started calling out to Jesus because I didn't know what else to do. And at that point, I felt this light come down from the sky. And it went through me and it pushed this, whatever it was they had inside of me, it pushed it out. And it threw salt and pepper back on his rear end.

And he fell back. And I felt this light just go through me from it. It was like this beam of light from the sky came down. Wow. And I was fading. I was fading out. I felt like I was dying. And when that happened, I kind of looked up and salt and pepper was seated.

And he was like dumbfounded sitting there. And I don't know if you want to put him. Yeah, the men, there was all men in robes and they started running away. And your dad was one of them. Her father was actually one of the men in the robes. And he ran and just took off. to the woods. And the men either ran, scattered, fell to their knees, like, you know,

covering on their knees, salt and pepper fell to his knees, started pounding on the ground. You could pick it up from there. So I was screaming, she was mine, she was mine, she was mine, pounded in the ground. How many people are at this ceremony? Is it hundreds? Is it just small group? Is it? There had to be at least between 30 and 50.

People at these ceremonies. And I said there were cryptids. There were a lot of men. There were maybe one or two women, but they were there to caretake. They weren't there to perform. And they would kind of like tend to the people there, you know, the women. And Michelle started speaking in tongues when the Holy Spirit came through her and pushed that, the long stick with the embers that they had shoved up her to kill her.

She pushed it out and threw salt and pepper bath. But she then started speaking in tongues. And I didn't even know what it was. I just started speaking in tongues. And the ground shook. She likened it to the movie. What was that? Passion of the Christ.

Did you see that when the tear drop fell after Jesus died on the cross and the ground shook? It felt like the ground started shaking. And everyone scattered. And he was like salt and pepper was enraged. Enraged. And afterwards he came after me to touch me. and he flung his hand back like I was on fire or something, but I wasn't. It was like he couldn't touch me.

And there was kind of a manic sort of desperation to them. They took her down off the cross and got her into a van or a car and brought her to right. It was a van and they brought me back to the warehouse and they strapped me to this seat. And they started like frantically, like it felt like a full day. And men were coming in and out and they were showing me videos. and whispering things in my ears and trying to like basically put as much programming into you. They knew they had to release her.

They could, she was untouchable now. She was protected by the shed blood of Jesus Christ, right, in the Holy Spirit, and which Salton Pepper had tested it by trying to put his hand up into her. And he literally got thrown back again and like his hand was on fire and screaming. And then he was cursing God and everything. So we realized at that point, what we've gathered is that he realized at that point that she was untouchable and she was she was protected by the Holy Spirit and that they had to release her. But before they released her, they couldn't physically touch her. But the only thing they could do,

which was their last straw, last hope or last hope that she would just remain, you know, completely unglued and shattered and, you know, would self-destruct was to program her frantically for however long they kept her in that room after they took her down from the cross and after this incident in the woods with the Holy Spirit coming through her and basically saving her. And they were frantically trying to program her. And Michelle has conveyed to me many times when we've spoken about this that she could hear them out in the hallway and it was swearing and cursing and like this frantic mania of like not knowing what to do because as if not they didn't know what to do.

And clearly the power of Jesus was far stronger than anything that they possessed or had. So they were trying to frantically program her before they released her because, A, this, you know, she's going to survive and probably they know, probably remember some of this and they don't want that. They don't want her ever having any sense of self-esteem or they want to, you know, infiltrate her with shame and self-loathing and everything they can to make her go through life not fulfilling her potential, her destiny, her ministry, and her purpose, you know. So this is what they're trying to do now. They're in the room. They're frantically trying to do whatever they can to her mind. So there was that. And I said it was like that night was the final straw.

And I don't know exactly what or why or how. I just know that even when I talk about it, I can feel that feeling come through me. And it was just like this beautiful feeling. And afterwards in the room, they spent what seemed like an eternity. And even when Salt and Pepper would try to touch me. in any way again he couldn't touch me anymore and he would he would he would almost like his hand was on fire um and then they would just stand close to me and they would whisper things in my ears and they put electrodes on my head and they you know were having me watch these movies and they were saying all sorts

of things in my ear and images colors flashing a lot of colors yeah a lot of colors and then hypnosis they would they would uh when i went into the bathroom i remember they did let me go to the bathroom finally and there was another child in there. And I remember holding the child and speaking in tongues over the child and like his eyes, like he looked up and just kind of looked at me. Like he was coming alive again and they heard me and they got really angry. And so this kind of stuff going on for the remainder of the days that I was in there. And then I was released, but I didn't know I was released. I just knew that I went home, you know. So just to go back to the story or just describing, do you feel like when you were put on this cross that, and this light came down,

did you hear anything? Did you, or it was just this feeling? Did you feel like that was the beginning of, of the end of this for you? Things ran away. Did these creatures leave? Like, I'm just trying to set the scene there. What happened? Like, it's better. So on the light, like, I was at my end and I was just giving up. I was done. I couldn't. It had been all my life. And I just, I couldn't take it anymore. And I just always had such a strong will. And I could always separate things out and just, you know, even when they, when they killed Sarah, you know, it almost broke me, but it didn't. You know, and this night that about broke me because I never wanted anyone to get hurt.

I would rather take it all than let other kids get hurt. And when they did that and blamed me, I felt like that was it. And the pain was excruciating emotionally and then physically as well. and I just started praying to die, and I'd never done that before. And so when I was, and then what they were doing physically to me was such torment that when I started to fade out, and I was fading out and just telling God, I give up, I'm done, I can't do this anymore, just take me, I'm done, I can't. And then all of a sudden this light came through and it was almost like this, I didn't hear anything.

It was a feeling. It was like this peace, but it didn't fit because it was torment all around me. And then there was this like peaceful light. that just kind of shot through me. And it happened so fast and it threw salt and pepper back with that thing in his hand that was inside of me tearing me. It threw him back right on his ass holding this. And all of a sudden I looked up and I'm speaking in tongues. And I didn't even know what tongues were.

I didn't even know what was happening. And, you know, people, you know, my dad ran away. People are scattered. Some of the people ran. Other ones dropped to their knees. and then salt and peppers banging with his fist, like pounding the ground, screaming. And I didn't know what was happening. I just knew that my body wasn't tore apart anymore and I didn't know why.

But everything in my body was okay and it shouldn't have been. So I knew something really important happened. When these creatures are there at this ceremony, are they talking to other people or are they in like a, in their own weird, worlds or are they are they gather with each other they don't it's really bizarre but like you know each species species would stay with their own and they would kind of gather together and they would they would kind of you know communicate i'm assuming with each other you know but they would be gathered together each group and so that's what it was like and all the people all the people that come on our show and describe these things are you seeing like you're i mean i saw a werewolf creature

I saw the dog man as a kid and it was in the window of my parents' you know, backyard and, you know, for years I had the same, I mean, that was it. That was the only thing that happened to me. And it wasn't until like I was probably in my 30s that I was like, yeah, I saw that thing because I heard other people describing what they saw. And I thought, I just imagine this whole thing. And it's funny how we can suppress so many memories or just forget things. Because we just tell ourselves, that didn't happen.

That's not true. But I always, but it was terrifying. I've said this on the show many times, like Bigfoot doesn't necessarily terrify people. They kind of go, what is that thing? But these other creatures, these other entities, like Moth Man, and how many different things were there around you at that night? Do you remember? I would say at least six or seven different kinds. I mean, there were so many different things.

And that was the last thing that I was able to remember because I really thought it was impossible and that I was honestly bad shit crazy. I thought there was no way that these kinds of things that what I was seeing was real. Did you see the in the, they say a lot. I've had several people in a show talk about these insectilins. They look like praying mantises. Were they there? Yeah, there was something like that. There were spiders, giant spiders.

Wow. But they would only come into the cave. And then at that ceremony, they weren't in the warehouse. They didn't come into the warehouse. So not that you remember that I recall. And they are relegated to the natural nature, you know, outside or under underground. So yeah. Do you think they're all controlled or do you think some of them are out there just kind of roaming around neutral?

The ones I saw I felt like were controlled. So I'm not sure. I'm sure I think anything's possible at this point. But the ones that I saw felt like they were controlled. So they had to like come and they summoned them there or did they create these things? Yeah, and that's a good question. We discuss that all the time. Yeah, that's a good question.

The woman with the black hair and the white face and the black eyes is clearly demonic. We feel like the creatures were probably demonic too, right? I mean, we can't figure it out. We talk about it all the time when we spend, you know, 15 hours, 20 hours a day, and usually we're up all night and we spend all night just talking and talking and trying to make, like we want everything in a category, nice and neat. We want to explain everything. Well, this is why this and this is why this, but we just can't.

And we discuss whether were these aliens and the big huge ant guy and the praying mantis thing and the big spiders and the ones that just looked like weird creatures with like the dog man thing and the the werewolfy type things. Are they demons just are they people shape shifting into creatures? Are they demons that have come in tangible form on this earth? Are they from a different planet? We don't even know, but it clearly is not good and it's not a God. That's what we know. And I ask all these questions because I think a lot of people have a very small view of the darkness and they have a really small view of all of this, the whole spiritual realm.

And as this stuff is presenting itself more and more, a lot of people's faith is going to be really challenged and shattered because they slap demons on everything. Everything's demons. Everything's demons. And I'm like, well, you know, demons probably are just one of many things that are trying to hurt and bring the darkness, you know, advance the darkness. They're, you know, and I think you're doing yourself a disservice by not listening to people's stories who say, look, this thing did this and this and this. These grays are coming into my room and they're taking me and they're like lifeless forms or whatever it is, you know, I think, I don't think that we're trying to glorify any of this stuff. I just think that, like Luke always says on her show, you've got to know your enemy in order to be to gain ground on them to have to go more from defense to offense to have the power of God come into you so you can actually begin to make this stuff go away or have some victory over it. Yeah, you know, what we talk about all the time is being on the spiritual offensive. And Christians don't know their power in Jesus.

And the other thing is that we get so frustrated at is, you know, I became a Christian. at 14. 14 seems to be a big age, by the way, with things. But, you know, I was taught about, you know, Satan and demons and church, but they don't teach you that they are alive and well today

and they're in this world and they're very active participants in this world. They don't teach you about spiritual warfare. I was never taught about the wise behind the what, you know? We don't know as Christians we're walking around half asleep, our churches are infiltrated with the enemy.

The enemy is running. We go to church every Sunday, but we see so much that others don't see because we've seen it before. We know what to look for. We do have the discernment of the gift of spirits. And we see so much, especially in Christianity too. And Christians have no idea that as a Christian, you can become, you can have demons in you. Because not through any fault of your own, really. I mean, just by what we went through, we had demons in us.

And we were, by all accounts, I mean, I was a very good Christian, no one would ever thought. But when I did learn about deliverance, I did self-deliverance, by the way, which was extremely interesting. And, you know, you're talking to a girl who didn't drink, who was a good girl, you know what I mean? And I didn't do anything. And I'm a Christian going to church every Sunday. And you would not believe what came up. of me during self-deliverance from the things I've been through and also just other everyday things like you know I used to go dancing at clubs I didn't drink but I would go dancing at clubs all the time

and and it's you know I'm delivering myself we were on the side of 95 for three hours I was vomiting up all kinds of crazy things that it wasn't I don't mean vomit I wasn't vomiting things were coming out of me and just because of and this is before I even knew about the SRA this is This was because through what my dad did to me and through having a poster on my wall. And when I talked about that in deliverance and I was, you know, binding up and casting out any unclean spirits from that, you would not, just from a poster, you would not believe what came out of me. When I was talking about going to clubs, because, you know, we have ear gates, we have eye gates, we have mulled gates. Unclean spirits can get in through this and they don't teach you that in the church. They just say, don't have sex before you're married and don't listen to the world.

music, but they don't tell you why. They don't tell you why. And that's what we've been learning. It's astounding what we've seen in the spiritual realm, by the way. I mean, not only from our past, the abuse, but what we've seen since understanding what happened to us and delivering ourselves from it. And Christians do not know that everyone needs to do deliverance. Everyone, we all have unclean spirits in us.

There's many rooms in our house in our temple. And demons can reside in everyone. The demon of self-doubt. The demon of, you know, rejection is huge. The demon of blame of guilt. I mean, all these things that we're feeling, a lot of them are unclean spirits that have influence over our lives, whether we're perfect Christians like I was or not.

And I said to myself, if I can have this many because of what I've been through or even just going to clubs or, you know, listening to, you know, I love hip hop. I'm a huge hip hop rap fan. And what came out of me when I delivered myself from that, oh my gosh.

I'm like, these poor kids today have no clue. No one knows. Christians don't know. We're asleep. We don't teach it. No one teaches deliverance. No one.

Christians can't have demons. Oh, well, yes, they can because we are living proof of it, you know? And we're still asleep and we're not ready for what's coming our way. Because if we don't believe that demons exist and are, there is a spiritual battle going on every single day and we don't either A, want to know because it's too scary or B, you know, we don't believe it, you know,

or C, we're just ignorant, we're not taught it. But we're so not ready for what's to come. If we are being deceived in such a 101 level, how are we going to be able to discern what is to come? when we're so ill-equipped and what we don't realize is that, you know, Satanists, they don't go after, they're not going after Muslims, they're not going after, you know, I used to think, oh, all the roads lead to heaven, but it's really, really is different. Satanic cults, Illuminati, all that kind of stuff, they're going after Christians.

They're not going after anyone else. They're going after Christians. Why? Because there's power in the name of Jesus. There was power in that plots at Calvary. There's power in that shed. blood. Jesus became the curse so that we don't have to be cursed.

You know, of course, we all know we died on the cross for our sins, but what, we're not taught all about that. Like, to us, it doesn't make sense. Like, why would God send his only son, you know, to die on the cross? And we think, like, we're taught that, but we're almost robotic in it. We don't really understand the wise. And they need to start teaching that in the church, but half the churches are infiltrated by the enemy.

You've got pastors who are freaking mind controlled or who are having secret services. on the weekends with satanic cults or they're you know or they're just ignorant and worldly and they think Beyonce and Jay Z are great like you know it's it's it's we're so overwhelmed when we look at what's going on in the world and how no one A either knows B they don't believe or C they stick their head in the ground because they can't deal and we're here to tell everyone this stuff is really real um as real as you are human and we are humans this is real it's going on. We need to take note. We need to be armed and dangerous. We need to know the word, the written word of the Bible. We need to have our, you know, our breast freight of righteousness, our girdle of

truth. And we need to have our weapons of warfare. We need to go on the offensive. We can't be afraid of it either, you know? Yeah, it's a good word. I mean, I, I mean, our last guest this last week, you know, a lot of it, he caused some controversy because he was going to some of these satanic parties in Hollywood. Oh, yes. And he specifically said, you know, he had this demon of rejection in him. I think all humans have it. And it starts in utero.

That's the other thing. They start, the enemy starts at the attack when we're in utero, you know. Was your mother, not even like, you know, big things with little things. Was it the wrong timing? Like, your parents weren't quite ready to have a baby. They were excited. But maybe it was bad timing financially. That spirit of rejection, rejection can come in right then.

there. Like this starts in the womb and that's another thing people don't realize and it doesn't have to be a big thing. It could be did the mother have an abortion early on in life? Then you've got the spirit of murder and the spirit of rejection living in the mother's womb. That can affect people to children. You know, all these things like was the father, you know, maybe the mother was excited but the father was like Jesus, you know, I don't know if I can love this child like I do my first child, the spirit of rejection right there. You know, this, the enemy is not a gentleman. the enemy is not a gentleman. They don't play nice in the sandblocks.

They come in hard and fast any way they can, anyway. And you'd be surprised at like when we were doing deliverance, some of the smaller things that we thought were more innocuous and benign, how they invited demons in. It could be someone that, you know, you waved to down the street and they didn't wave back. And you happened to be feeling really low that day anyway because of other things that were happening.

And that spirit of rejection is whispering, the spirit of isolation, And yeah, see, you're not worthy. You know, you're a loser. You're this and that. Those, the things that we say in our mind, when we're talking to ourselves, like, in a, in a derogatory fashion, that's not us. That's not from God. That's the enemy talking to you, you know?

And it's, everyone has it. We all have it. We all need to be dealing with it. Wow. I feel like on people listen to our show now, they can hear you because I think we've taken three years now to kind of lay out the framework. If people have been on this journey with us from the beginning, that more of this stuff is true and these creatures are out there. And they slowly start to understand that there's a whole world that they don't know

and there's no rules. And the church has been sort of spiritually neutered. And I think Satan has done a good job at that because, you know, like you said, if we don't know who are fighting against, then we start, you know, a lot of Christians are so hard on themselves. Because like you said, you know, and I really like your words on, on Calvary, because I've, I've come to similar thoughts that, you know, yes, Jesus is dying for our sins. But there also was this curse put on humanity. And there's so much more happening that day, you know, you have, I mean, like you said, when the last year, in the, we watched the passion, this drop falls on the ground. And then suddenly it's like, everyone's like, instantly they're like, this was the son of God, right? What just happened? What did we just witness? There was so much going on. And then to have your own experience of them, you know, them trying to put you on a cross. And then this light comes from the, and God shows up and saves you and rescues you. And then they, and they are mad. They are angry because they know at the end of the day, you know, they don't have, they don't have the thing they want. And their power is limited. And I, and I think it's just, I think if Christians, understood. We get so many emails and I think this is why because people are waking up to the

fact that, wow, you know, like, the world is, is more like a movie than I ever thought. All this stuff that we think is make, believe, and pretend is not. And it's just only for some reason, it's just hidden from all of us. And so I feel like there's so much here, there's so much we can dive into. There's, for some reason, just talking about creatures seems to be, for a lot of people, like, just the beginning of them beginning to accept, okay, if this one creature's out there, maybe there's multiple creatures out there. If there's multiple creatures out there, what are they come from? And is there somebody behind all of this? And is Satan at the top of this weird web of darkness? And we're like, yeah, he is. And he's

prowling around. I just want to say thank you. And I commend you guys for. for surviving and getting through all of it. And I think now Luke and I understand why they say it's survivors because of what they do, and it's horrible. It's also unimaginable that, you know, and then a lot of things make sense, right? The way, just the agenda that seems to be after our kids, you know, so much more overt than I feel like it was

when we were kids, for example. It's like the darkness is out in the open and they don't care. And then to hear this is just, It's heartbreaking and being dads, Nate and I both have kids. It's like, it makes you want to weep. I, you know, so I don't, it's amazing that you're here talking about this. Like, and it's amazing that you're able to find this track. I totally understand, like, having to disassociate some of this stuff so you can talk about it

because I can't imagine going back there emotionally and not having to fracture you completely. Like, it's, it's horrific. And, you know what I'm, what's impressed upon me is that nothing is new under the sun. This is age old. We talk about ritual beds and the things that happen on top of ziggurats. When we talk to Derek Gilbert, Nate, about the threshing floor. The things that happened there are the bed of Agabashan. And these are where they did there.

They practiced their occult sex magic in the ancient times, right? And these were, this was the, you know, the Nephilim and the creation of these hybrids happened in these things. Then you talk about the Babylon project with the, that went on in the 60s and they're trying to do this again, do it now, and it never stopped. And I think we would be remiss

to think that it did stop for whatever reason or that this is fanciful or something. It's insane. But I think this is a hard thing for people to wrap their heads around. A lot of people would prefer to stick their heads in the sand and pretend like this doesn't happen. Even in the Christian,

much in the Christian space, and it's why we get some pushback on some of these episodes, Nate, is that it busts people's paradigm to think that this is happening today or it's still happening and this is happening to kids whether it be what Richie talked about in the Hollywood parties or the horrific things that both of you went through like these this is very real and you know how you

know how you destroy the darkness as you expose it light and shine light on it I mean this is thank you for for sharing this because it's as difficult as it is I do believe that God uses our testimonies however small or however horrific, the Bible says that God can use all things, can make all things for good for those put the trust in him.

And that is what is, I feel like the, we live a sort of God is in the business of redemption. And he even has redeemed your stories. Look at you guys, look at you both sitting here, you know, talking about your faith in Christ and being delivered from this. It's remarkable. I just, I wanted to, I'm not trying to be a hero. No, no.

But I just wanted to give hope to some people, because I've sat on the other end and listened to testimonies of people and just thought, my God, I wish I could connect with someone because you feel like you're alone with this stuff. You know, like it's so, it sounds so insane, you know, that it's like hard to find people that have been through it and understand. And so I was hoping to just give hope to someone to help, you know, people just know that they're not alone, you know, if they're listening and struggling with that. And so that was my hope as well.

And there's millions of them. there millions and millions, but there's millions of SRA survivors who are alone, yet there are millions of them. So if we can give them the courage to, we were, you know, we talked about, we're like, we're not even going to hide our names because we're not afraid of the enemy. And we, um, not going to distort our voices because we're not afraid of the enemy. And we have the power of Jesus Christ. And if there's others out there, even if, you know, most of them probably won't even know what had happened to them. But whether they know it or not, I think this is going to resonate with them on some level.

And if it does, just know that there is a God who loves you and who has a son who died for you, who can redeem you, make you whole, edify you, consecrate your body, purify you, redeem you and heal you. And you're welcome to reach out to us. there are so many others out there who are feeling the same way you do like you can't tell or you're not worth it or you have the shame or guilt or you hate yourself or you have a you know a death programming or self-destructive programming or an addiction programming and you can break all these through Jesus Christ I mean this woman right here my best friend who God has

blessed me with is a walking, talking miracle as far as I'm concerned and as far as God's concerned. And, you know, I have my own stuff too, but, and I would consider myself a walking miracle as well, but this woman is so brave and she was so scared to come on today because there's been tremendous retaliation anytime, you know, we've encountered plenty of demons in the past year in physical attacks and all kinds of attacks. But we know that our God is more powerful and we have faith and we have the gifts of the Holy Spirit. And the Bible has commanded. Jesus has commanded us.

It's not Old Testament. It's stuff for today to go out to lay hands on the sick and heal them and cast out demons. And that's what we're trying to do too. And this is all very biblical and this is for today. It's not today. The fight in the spiritual battle is very real, but we want everyone who's listening. If you don't believe it, that's okay. If you don't believe our story, that's okay. But it's true. It's real. As God is our witnesses. And we hope that this story can touch and help even if it's just one person, it would have been worth it. Well, I mean, on our show, we've, you know, we heard Trent, Trent came on and Trent was kind of contracted by the government to go down in some of these days. deep underground military bases. And he talks about seeing kids down there and seeing these giant insect creatures who

were eating kids. And people were like freaking out about that episode. And then Daniel Deval came on our episode. And he said that these politicians would shape shift and they would do horrible things to them. And then they would have supernatural healing. They would put them back together and put them. And so our listeners just, you know, they rumble in our, in the back end of our, you know, just some of our chat feet.

and such, and they talk about it. And I think a lot of people have a hard time expanding their understanding of that they're, they're a spiritual being having a human experience. You know what I mean? And so we humanize everything to the point where it's like, we're so skeptical that anything outside of this little narrow view of what it means to be a human and what we're experiencing goes on that when people say, hey, this happened to me. they go, oh no, it's probably, it's a good thing to be skeptical. We're like, we bring doctors and we bring

people who've done their 10,000 hours, and we don't just throw anything out there that it's not good to just believe everything. But I think we've heard a lot of your story in different little episodes we've done. So I, if you've been on the journey with us, you know, I think a lot of people are going to be like, wow, okay. And I think everyone's story helps everyone else's story. Your story helps Richie, the barber's story, kind of make more sense. And it helps, you know, Daniel DeVall's ministry make more sense. Like, why is Dan DeVall involved in a specific ministry? And then it helps some of these people who've been abducted by aliens their whole life. What are they doing? They're taking blood. They're taking, why are they doing this? You know,

they're experimenting on them like, it's a science room. And people go, man, this is like out of, this is out of a bad movie. But it's, it's not. And for some reason, they want to come on our podcast and talk about it. And we feel thankful that, that whatever we've created, created here, you know, people feel comfortable to share. And Luke and I don't know how to relate at all. And, and we're just, in some ways, these episodes aren't easy for anyone to hear. You know, it's not, it's not something that everyone wants to, you know, sit down and crack into this because it's, it's hard to tell it and it's hard to hear it. And it's probably hard to listen to it as a listener out there. But, but I think we're all parents and we're all, or grandparents, or we're going to be

parents and we need to protect these kids. And I think that's why there's so much emphasis on youth in the Bible. Like, if you do things to these kids, there's going to be a, we're going to tie a mill around your neck because, because I think even Jesus knew back then they were doing this to children. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's terrible. That's one of the Bible verses I spoke to Michelle about when we were first talking about all the children that they, you know, forced, you know, they forced you to harm children and killed children. And that was one of the Bible verses. that we spoke about the millstone is it would be worse to have a millstone around your neck. And, and, um, but, you know, we thank you guys for being able to, because we know, I know,

you know, that your podcast started out as a big foot one. And it's, it's such a blessing. And I'm very grateful that you guys were, um, willing to deter off that path and go on to other paths, maybe where God was leading you. And I think what you did, you were, um, willing to, um, willing to deter off that path and And I think what you're doing is huge. And I think it's going to get bigger and bigger and it's going to reach more people and more people. And as you said, each story kind of builds and validates maybe a prior story or a future story, you know. And we're all sort of interwoven together, everyone who's telling their story on your podcast. But we're very thankful that you guys were, we were nervous reaching out to you because we weren't sure if it was the right thing to do because we're, you.

We don't know if things are controlled up either, you know? And but we did pray about it. And we're like, well, if they get back to us, they get back to us. If they don't, they don't, we forgot about it. For the record, it was her idea. She's the one that sent the email. She's the one who's like, come on, Michelle, you can do this. All right.

Come on, Michelle. And I'm like, all right. Yeah, I appreciate that. I mean, like, we started a journey podcast, and I think we wanted, we wanted to know like, okay, let's get better answers for these things. And I think that sometimes you know, like a scientist, you have to, okay, if the evidence is pushing us this direction, we have to follow it, right? And I think it takes a certain stubborn person to be like, well, if this is where we're going, we have to stay the course. It's easy to shape something into

what you want it to be. And it's really hard to let the data push you in that direction. And the SRA stuff continues to come back on our show. And, you know, I don't know if, I don't know how people react when they listen to it, but I think Luke and I feel that it's all connected. I mean, you're saying these creatures are showing up around you. They're coming out of the woods. They're coming out of wherever. And, and it seems like there is some structure to that. And most people come on a show just had one encounter where they see it for a split second and then it's gone. And then they sort of wonder the rest of their life like, what was that? Is that? that, you know, where is, where is that coming from? And then people who are in like, evolved more

see this stuff as if they're hired. They're a part of it. They're, they're on the payroll. And they show up and it's like, well, how does that make sense? And that, that's hard for people, because some people are willing to say, okay, these creatures exist. They're out there. Maybe there's some sort of animal or whatever. But when you start, when people come on a show and start saying, well, no, no, these things were a part of the rituals and they were showing up and they were, then it's like it's a whole other level. Then it's like, okay, wait a minute. Not only do I have to believe this thing is real,

but it's being used and it's, how does that make any sense? And I think that's the harder thing. That's the next level of acceptance of, it's deeper. Yeah. And that's hard. That is probably the most perplexing of all this.

Like, did you see, one of my last questions, did you see any nephalum creatures? Did you see any giants? Did you see any of the human hybrids that are? Yeah. Yeah, I've seen a lot of different things that have come through that cave and those ceremonies. And yeah, they're very real.

Yeah, because we talk about that a lot. And that's where the show sort of started to get into the weeds for us. Because people still run into these things. and there's just a debate if they still are around, if they still exist. Yeah. Yeah, they're still around. They still exist. Dude, it's wild. I mean. Sorry. I know it's not a... Gen 6, right? Genesis 6, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, we, if you want, we can do another, you know, we kind of, we can do another episode and kind of get into... I know there was a lot of things you described in the beginning about things like Disneyland and other stuff. There's probably a whole other podcast here. Yeah, I'm sorry. I tried to be as concise as I can. I said this is the first time I've really spoken about this to anyone aside from me. And the reason I did is because I love that this is a Christian, you know, that's important to me.

But I've never talked about this before. So I'm open to if you, you know, have questions or you want to do another episode or, you know, just pick my brain. I'm happy to answer. I don't always know the direction to give you. So please feel free to pick my brain. No, no problem. I think sometimes the introduction episodes kind of get in and it's really hard. You guys just, you know, where to where do we go?

Which rabbit trail do we go down? I'm sure. Yeah, I mean, you're so much stuff is being expressed and shared. I think Luke and I just want to sometimes just let people tell their story and not try to get too in depth about one specific part of the story. if that makes sense. I understand, but I said you're welcome to, if you want to do another one, I'm certainly open to that, and I'd be happy to give you whatever info I have, you know. That was awesome.

This was great. Yeah, you're giving people like us a voice, and that's really important. Yeah, and that's something that I think you, I didn't realize how many. I mean, when you say millions, I don't think most of us realize how many people are, you know. In ninth, there's a book. There's a couple of books. I mean, you can't find books on this stuff because they're all scrubbed, but we have a couple. But there's one monarch programming book.

And it talks about how or maybe, well, there's a couple of books out there, but they were talking about back in the early 90s, there was millions of monarch programming, programmed people still living that had gone through that torture and the SRA and the monarch programming and there were millions so I'm going to say there's a lot more than that today since 30 years later you know sorry to hear yeah I think we should I think we should dive in next time if you want to come back on and and kind of hone in on more specifics and help people understand because and maybe help people kind of know how to look out for things or or have some sort of awareness of when something like this might be happening to somebody you know or I don't know I don't

know how to yeah I could definitely give you some insight into that but um yeah I mean just if you come with questions it'll help sometimes I'm better with she's my question ask her so a lot of times I hit her to answer because you know but um but if you ask questions I will give you as much detail from my heart that I have you know and then thank you ladies once you stop the recording I have something to ask you guys. Okay. No problem. Well, thanks. Well, we'll do it again if you want. We'll get into it. We can give people a little more context of your kind of things you said and I'll go back and listen. When I edit usually, when I'm editing the shows, I go back. I'm like, I should ask that. I should have asked that. You know, that's like that's always 20. Right. And you think about it and

you're like, man, I should ask this or should, you know, should have said this. Yeah. And I really appreciate you guys giving a voice to this. And thank you for what you do. Because there are so many unheard voices that need to be heard. And that our intent is for that to happen and for everyone to be able to have the chance to heal from what they've gone through and to know what they've gone through too. Because if she's still recovering, I mean, the memories, there's probably millions of more memories that she doesn't remember and that I don't remember. And, you know, they're coming like, you know, once a week, a flood of memories. so there's always there's always more unfortunately yeah yeah well michel and sherrell thank you so much for for being willing to talk about some of these things i know it's horrific to like you know hear and and

and to experience and i i you know a lot of bravery and and i'm glad that god has has held you close through through all of these things and just being apparent and knowing how you you feel about your children. I just can't imagine how God feels when this stuff is happening to his children. Yeah, that's what we think. And it's just, that's horrible. But let's do it again. I appreciate you guys and thank you for coming on blurry creatures and giving us a little bit of an insight into some of these things that nobody wants to talk about and, you know, even admit that's out there. So, well, thank you, God. Yeah. Thank you, Luke.

Thank you.