Blurry Creatures - EP: 186 Valley of the Giants with Travis Roy

Episode Date: August 14, 2023

Are there giant tracks in Texas? Recently we discovered a book published in 1971 called "The Valley of Giants" that contains photographic evidence of giant humanoid tracks left in stone in what is now Dinosaur Valley State Park. Dr. Cecil Dougherty meticulously logged and photographed these fossilized tracks that were in the same area as the famous fossilized dinosaur tracks of that area. In fact, the giant tracks and dinosaur tracks were found side by side. In order to get boots on the ground, we sent the evidence to Travis Roy of Giants of Ancient America and asked him to track them down. Travis is a historian who combs through the archives and microfiche to preserve newspaper articles from 1850-1940 that report the findings of giant skeletons. Are these fossilized giant footprints the smoking gun we have been looking for?  Guest Contact: Travis Roy: http://instagram.com/giants_of_ancientamerica/  Intro song: Sunglasses Kid contact: [e-mail] blurrycreatures.com Socials instagram.com/blurrycreatures facebook.com/blurrycreatures twitter.com/blurrycreatures Music Kyle Monroe: tinytaperoom.com Aaron Green: https://www.instagram.com/aaronkgreen/ Mastering: ironwingstudios.com Outro Song: TimeCop1983: timecop1983.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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and they were looking at these dinosaur footprints. But he said real close to that, there was another sign that said caveman tracks, and he just started putting his hands in it, and he had never seen or even thought of that people could be that big. But fast forward, about 12 years, he said, and he was reading through Genesis, and he got to chapter 6,

and he read that there were giants on the earth in those days. And he said it was almost like something just like a picture came across his mind. He just remembered putting his hands in these massive tracks. And he told his wife, he's like, we've got to go down to the state park. I've seen these tracks before. And he drives down there. And they go down, he's all excited. They get down there.

He cannot find the tracks anywhere. He looks and looks. So finally, you know, he's probably a little bit irritated at this point because he's going to go show his wife these tracks that he remembered. He goes to the ranger station. And he goes in there and he's like, what happened, what happened to the caveman tracks that y'all used to have down here? And they just looked at him.

They didn't say anything. He said, what happened to the human caveman tracks they all used to have? And somebody spoke up and said, we never had anything like that here. He said, oh yes, you did. Back in 1972, I saw them with my buddies and they saw them too.

And the guy's like, no, we never had anything like that here. The history of our Earth is so different from what we can imagine. Joy to join. The Smithsonian, if they found out about a large skeleton somewhere, was to go get it. I'm going to assume at least one person is right, because if one person's right, it's right to bust the paradigm. It all goes back to the fallen chair. And the problem with the modern day church, they have a very truncated view of the supernatural. This backdrop that's just pregnant with all kinds of meaning associated with this amount,

Mount Herman of Venn. And this guy defects from the kingdom. That's a big deal. Welcome to Blurry Creatures. We are checking in on a good friend of ours, Travis today, Giants of Ancient America.

He was on episode five. And let's just talk about Texas for a second here, Luke. We got our good buddies, Dr. Jed Burton down in Texas. We had stories of Rockwall, Texas. Travis is down in Texas, kind of in the Dallas area,

Fort Worth area, and I texted me the other day and said, hey, I found this old book from the 70s called Valley of the Giants. You're never going to guess. You got Giant Man Tracks in your backyard, buddy. For those of you who have been with the podcast since the beginning,

you know, that Travis collects, you know, all these newspaper articles about Giants. He's got over a thousand now. And being discovered here in North America and all kinds of weird tales that go along with what happens when a farmer or somebody pulls up a giant skeleton where it goes and goes missing.

We've made fun of it. We've immortalized it on T-shirts. Smithsonian has the bones. Yeah. Texas. Yeah, it's amazing. And they're in the midst of a pretty severe drought the last two years. So things have hit the media about how, with riverbeds drying up, that some of these dinosaur tracks specifically are becoming exposed.

They're usually underwater, right? So these, of course, are fossilized into the. into the stone into the strata and what's amazing about this book is this is pre-state park and it's about a guy that went out doctor who went out and documented these these giant humanoid footprints that were alongside in the same stone same strata as a dinosaur footprints and there's a bit of mystery and intrigue around these because they seem to have disappeared but this book has got a ton of amazing photographs and evidence from um 19th 1971 on of this guy's journey of documenting, measuring, photographing giant humanoid footprints in stone next to the dinosaur footprints, what are now in dinosaur Valley Stateport.

Yeah. So we're going to kind of see what it was like to be blurry in 1971. Go back, kind of read some of this book. We're going to get into the history. I forgot to mention Joe Taylor. You know, the late Joe Taylor was on the show many times. He was down in Texas. He was also a. a great member of the blurry community trying to push this narrative forward that giants existed. He had his own museum. And I love these guys down in Texas, man. There's a lot of history there. And there's just a lot of guys down there that're just looking for the truth and trying to push it forward. So thanks for listening to this podcast. You want to become a member?

Blurriercreatures.com slash members support the show. Thank you guys for helping us do this. And keeping the blurry content flowing. All right. Let's get Travis on the show. All right. Nate, the book that you got is called The Valley of the Giants written by Dr. C.N. Doherty, who's a chiropractor, he's a D.C. This actually had four editions, 1971, 1973, 1974, 1976. It's a copy written in 1971.

So this is a real book printed by the Bennett Printing Company in Claiborne, Texas. And, of course, Dr. Doherty was out of Glenrose, as we talked about. But I think the intro is very interesting. as he tells his story, and the Valley of Giants is what it's called Chapter 1. Seven years ago, when I first moved to Glenrose, Texas, I began hearing tall tales about the giant tracks. The giant animals called dinosaurs. I also heard tales like, way back when I was a boy,

I saw these giant men tracks in the bedrock of the Pelluxi River. Now I would ask, how large are these men tracks? The old timers would measure off about 18 to 24 inches with their hands. Then would ask, where are those tracks? I want to see them. The best answer I could get was, ah, up the river aways. This was so indefinite that began spending my day off

walking along the Pelluxi River up from Glenrose, Texas to try to discover these tracks of which I had heard vaguely. For two years, I photographed the dinosaur tracks, the brontosaurus tracks, and the tracadon tracks. But I was never able to locate these giant man tracks. One day while searching in what is now Dinosaur Valley State Park, I camp on the giant man tracks,

about 15 feet from the most prominent bronosaurus track. I photographed these tracks from every angle. The first track measured exactly 21 and a half inches and length. From the heel of the first track to the heel of the second track is a stride of exactly seven feet. The second track also measured 21 and a half inches. This one has a very clear tow print. These tracks belong to the Cenoic era. This area has now been made into Dinosaur Valley State Park and the tourists have walked over the tracks many hundreds of times and they have about worn them out. And he goes on to say that photographing these tracks and writing about them

is my avocation, not my vocation. I've always thought in order to search for tracks, bones, or remains of dinosaurs, one had to go some faraway places with strange-sounding names. But when I finally discovered these giant men tracks, they were right here at home. Glen Rose, Texas, not too far from our friend, Travis Roy, or Giants of Ancient America. If you were paying attention to the news, and this was not a big news story last year, but there was a historic drought in Texas, down where Travis lives, and it dried up a bunch of creek beds. And so what it did was expose a dry riverbed. And we talked about in Glenrose

exposing dinosaur tracks, which have been fossilized into the strata, if we're going to talk like we are PhD doctors. But that's what happened. So it's funny when things, you know, when weather changes, rain, no rain, sometimes these things expose themselves. And as Nate was saying, there is a bigger story behind a lot of this. That's right. And you have the book. Yeah, I have the book. Today we're going back into the bone zone talking about giant skeletons, giant footprints. Luke's favorite. Surprise you didn't say it, Luke. Luke loves kicking off. Sometimes it feels like when you get that phone bill, it's like the crash site document. You can't read it. There's a bunch of numbers, random fees, vague language, stuff's blacked out. You're like, what am I actually paying for?

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Why can't scuba? What is this all about? You want a scuba? Anyway, Travis, welcome back to the podcast. We're like seasoned veterans here. We've been in this space. We've talked at nauseam on the show about Giants, but I just thought it would be fun to bring you back on

because it's a passion of yours, it's a passion of ours. You're in there daily collecting these articles, and it's probably fun for you to actually get in your car and drive and see some of these tracks. So here's the story, Luke. I got this book, bought it off eBay, show up to my house, and I'm looking at the map, and I'm like, hey, I text Travis. I'm like, dude, do you live close to Glen Rose?

He's like, yeah, I'm like 35 minutes away. I'm like, there's giant tracks in your backyard. Go find him. So there's a map in this book. I send it to him. and Travis is like a stud. He literally maps it out on Google Maps and puts the giant tracks on there and sends it back. He's like, I'm going tomorrow.

And the next day, Travis is on, boots on the ground, trying to find these giant tracks. So give our listeners an update, Travis. What did you find? Okay. We want to hear all about it. Dude, this was a lot of fun. And I'm really glad you sent me this to preface this. I hadn't heard of the book ever.

You know, it was written in 1971. I've been to the state park down there. and seen the dinosaur tracks, but I had no clue about the giant tracks that they were around here. So I jumped in the pickup and I drove down there, made my map, found out the roads I needed to go down to get, because some of these weren't in the park, right? If you look at this map, so I hit maybe three or four different locations over the weekend, last weekend. And to my surprise, I found three or four tracks that look very, and I would call it. I'm humanoid looking, right?

You could see the heel. You could see where the toes were. You could see the arch. But I got a really good picture of one. And the thing measures 24 inches long, 11 and 11 inches at the, you know, right behind the toes. At the heel, it's like six inches. So, you know, it's pretty large, huge, actually. I think I sent that one.

So Luke has that. I have that. I'm looking at it now. And our listeners, we're going to post this in our members section. We'll probably post it on our channels too, so you can kind of see it. But yeah, it's pretty deep in the ground. It looks like it's six inches or six inches. Okay.

Yeah. Yeah, I did measure that too. Again, say how long it was when it was measured? 24. Okay, I want to just give some perspective here because I'm doing a little Google sleuthing. So we talked a little bit on the top of the show. May I may not have made the cut, but Shaquille O'Neal, size 22. Here's your point of reference, right?

is a huge shoe. We're all kids in the 80s. So when Shack came out, you know, when we were in junior high in the early 90s, he had this giant shoe. A size 22 shoe is heel to toe, 14 and 11, 16th inches. Wow. So this is a big footprint. That is a size 22 US shoe. That is what Shaquille O'Neal wears. 14, just a little over 14 inches? 14 and 11, 6, almost 15 inches. Wow. So someone just sent us a track that It was the same size out of a Corey in Montana in stone as well, literally the day after you sent us these photos. So it was a 23-inch track. And I think that's what everyone said on our Instagram channels. Look, they're like, oh, that's just Shaq's foot. No, size 22 doesn't mean 22 inches. And I think a lot of people think that. Yeah, 15 inches is a size 23 shoe. So just for, this is for your point of reference. I just wanted to make that perspective. And the thing is interesting, too, about this book, Nate, is if you open it up, Valley the Giants, right? It's in the 70s. And it begins with photos of the dinosaur tracks alongside of these giant human-looking tracks. And this is 1974. So we're not in the Photoshop or the spoofing age necessarily.

This would have been, these are real photos. Yeah, I have the original copy. You're taken by Dr. Doherty, July 10th, 1971. And it was wet out so you could see it for photographic purposes. You can see by the yardstick, the track. The track he's measuring here is 21.5 inches in length, which again is almost six inches long. bigger than the shack's foot and some of these tracks look there's there's so he documented four sets of tracks and some of them have what like up to 15 footprints back in the 70s but all

these other types of dinosaurs along with them like he's got everything from tranosaurus wrecks down so it wasn't just like one footprint in the dirt like oh what's so interesting about that it was it was four sets of multiple tracks and then luke there's kind of a conspiracy theory as Travis was digging into it. Why don't you, why don't you get into that part about what you found out about the humanoid tracks? Yeah, I can get into that. Dude, I took a lot of notes. I love this today. Love it. Okay, so, that book that we're talking about, Valley of the Giants, was written a year. It was published a year before the state park opened, you know, just to have that in your mindset. But this guy who wrote that book, he did like 17 years worth of study. He was like a chiropractor,

and he moved to Glenrose for this reason because he had heard about these tracks. So they were finding these tracks like starting in the 20s, 1920s. And they found multiple trackways. And they weren't all just in the park. There's like a lot of miles of this river. And it's all limestone. So I just wanted to put that out there because this book was written before the park even existed, which if you do some math, you know, I don't know what 17 years before he wrote the book.

I don't know when he started writing it. But he published it and, you know, a year before the park. open. So anyway, but the park opened in 1972 and they had like a grand opening and I was watching this video that the Creation Evidence Museum right here in Glenrose area, a video that they made and they have a lot of guys they interviewed on that video. So it's something that people would be interested in watching. We could talk about that later just for additional information. So some of these strides, right? just to give us like a little context.

Some of these strides, if you look in the book, is it a six foot? No, it's a seven foot stride between those three tracks at the back. And they're not wearing shoes, right? So you're thinking Shaq's shoe, you know, you got to give an inch in the front, inch in the back, just extra. This is bare feet in the rock.

Most of these tracks that he's documented. You can see the toes. It's like a monstrous gate here. The stride is massive. Do you think that his finding, kind of launched this state park and they had to like cover this up. Do you think that was part of it? I don't know.

Okay. So here's a deal. And let me get into that about the state park. I mean, and I want to say this too. Like, I love state parks, right? I'm a guy who gets out in hikes. I love state park. So this isn't an attack on a state park.

And I think, I think this conspiracy here comes from somewhere way above a state park, right? You know, it just trickle down. It's a trickle down effect from like somebody up high says, hey, this is the narrative. We're going with evolution now. So we're going to have to get rid of some stuff. So when this park opened in 1972, this guy, and his name is Jesse Diaz, he went down there with a bunch of his buddies.

And they were looking at these dinosaur footprints. And they had a sign that had said dinosaur footprints, and it had the name of the dinosaur and, you know, just like an arrow pointing towards, like I put these signs real close. And even now, it says, you know, dinosaur tracks, and it'll kind of point, you know, where the tracks are. So you see them when you're hiking down to the riverbed. But he said real close to that, there was another sign that said, and there were a lot of different, he indicated there were different sizes of man tracks. He did indicate that. But by the biggest of the tracks, they had a sign that said caveman tracks.

And which makes sense. like growing up as a kid, I remember, yeah, there were cavemen. And so it said caveman tracks. And he remembered, he went down there and he just like started putting his hands in it. And he had never seen or even thought of that people could be that big. So I don't know how old this guy was, but fast forward, about 12 years, he said. And he was reading through Genesis and he got to chapter six and he read that there were giants in the earth or on the earth in those days. And he said it was almost like something just like a picture came across his mind. And he just remembered putting his hands in these massive tracks.

And he told his wife, he's like, we've got to go down to the state park. I've seen these tracks before. So he got in, it's like 1984 at this point. And he drives down there. And they go down, he's all excited. And they get down there. He cannot find the tracks anywhere. he looks and looks.

So finally, you know, he's probably a little bit irritated at this point because he's going to go show his wife these tracks that he remembered. He goes to the guard shack. I don't know what I call it the guard shack, like the ranger station. And he goes in there and he's like, what happened to the caveman tracks that y'all used to have down here? And they just looked at him. They didn't say anything. He said, what happened to the human caveman tracks they all used to have? And somebody spoke up and said, we never had anything like that here.

He said, oh, yes, you did. Back in 1972, I saw them with my buddies, and they saw them, too. And the guy's like, no, we never had anything like that here. Oh, interesting. Yeah. So I guess evolution, the theory started to take gain speed maybe in the 70s is what I learned. Travis, you've been in this rabbit hole for years, and you can literally read how the higher up show up on the scene most of the time when these skeletons are found. So this isn't a new thing

that you're discovering here. This is just like a familiar theme that when this stuff gets discovered, the Smithsonian or some college or someone shows up, right? And then the familiar thing happens. So speak a little bit to our listeners because obviously there's a lot of people who haven't listened to the beginning of our podcast. So what you do is new to them. Yeah. So when a farmer or a lot of times it was a farmer or when they were building railways across America, you know, late 1800s, early 1900s, they would be cutting through burial mounds or say it's a farmer, he's plowing a field, what he thought was a hill on his field. And some of these mounds aren't huge.

They may be five feet, a five foot rise. Now in Ohio, you have massive ones, but you'd find guys that were eight foot or more within these mounds, that they would just be plowing up a bone here and there. And so they would contact, it could be a local newspaper or maybe a doctor, somebody. And then from there, a museum would come. Now, a lot of times it was a Smithsonian or the Carnegie Museum or just some, you know, Native American Museum would come and get the bones. Sometimes they would display them. There would be many witnesses that saw it.

It was a super exciting time for the people in that little community. But after that, you know, after they send them away, you don't really hear about it anymore. And you hardly find any follow-up stories about these bones. And so you have to wonder, like, I guess, they're boxing them up somewhere or hopefully not destroying them. Who knows? We don't know that part. So is that kind of what you think, is that turning in your mind as you hear this dude's story? Yeah.

Okay, so like it did. Yeah, I was thinking, they're doing this again, but they're doing it with evidence and stone, right? So to, you know, continue this story, this guy, he leaves the talk. He was talking. He was at, you know, at the headquarters there. He walks out. And then he didn't notice it, but a gentleman, an older gentleman followed him outside and said, hey, sir, can I, can I talk to you? He's like, sure. He said, I heard you talking in there to those people. He said, you see that shed over there in the woods? There's like a little shed over there. He's like, those caveman signs are in that shed. He's like, how do you know? He's like, well, he's like, I put him there. I used to work here back in that time. He's like, well, tell me what happened. Like, what happened to him? He's like, well, we, you know, once the evolutionary theory, you know, started to be pushed,

he said, we had to take down the signs and they got rid of the tracks. So that's why you can't go into the park and find the pictures of the ones this book, right? You're not going to find that with a perfect toe because that's too obvious. But I thought that was interesting. I had the thought, you know, how could the truth, well, I said, I wrote it down, because it was just like my initial thought when I read this. So that was just the signs in the shed? It wasn't any, they didn't dig anything out? Yeah, no, they did. They did say that. Now, this was a retired park ranger. And he said, he removed the signs and they removed the tracks. So they did both.

But he was telling him, hey, those signs are still in that shed because I put him there. But he didn't tell him that in front of everybody who was still, he might have been employed there. I don't know. Or maybe he's just hanging out with them because it's kind of a small town. And then to follow up on an additional story, because some of these tracks were not in the park. So there were some other tracks that in 1989, there were like three perfect tracks with like perfect toes. But in 1989, somebody went in there and with a. the metal bar and destroyed the tracks, like destroy the toes.

Like, so you can't, yeah, it just looks like a, you don't know what it is, right? At that point, if the, if the toe, the perfect toes are gone. So somebody, there was some sort of an agenda and the lie is so strong that they had to destroy the evidence that was, you know, imprinted in stone. As we started at the top of the show, Travis, we talked about how you've compiled more than a thousand articles. And Nate was saying, you know, there's this familiar theme. in a lot of these, that the skeletons is used by or disappeared.

And then now we see the footprints being disappeared, whether it be by a state agency, which, of course, you would say it answers to the federal government or whether it be a federal entity, someone like the Smithsonian or state schools, you name it. It's fascinating to me because this is not the 1920s, right? This is not the late 1800s. These are not the majority of the articles that we see are in that range, right? The 1880s, probably to the 1920s, and then on a sudden you get until almost 1920s, And you get until almost 1930 and they start to disappear and it starts to be, they're not in publications anymore.

I want to point something out too is I think my first thought with some of this is how do you know it's Nate? We started out as a big foot show, right? We talk about the big guy on here. You know, how do you know these aren't Bigfoot tracks? I would think we're the first thing, right? Because someone like Dr. Jeff Meldrum or someone who's on the show is they've got castings of all of these. And so just for fun, I kind of looked up, you know, the most famous Bigfoot footage. And what people would say is the best Bigfoot footage.

And there's been a lot of evaluation in the last couple of years of, of, you know, the Patterson Gimlin film. But Roger Patterson himself actually casted a cast from that experience with Patty. And the length of that cast was 18 inches. So still three inches longer than Shaq's size 22. But not anywhere really near that giant track that we have documented, photographed, and in this book from the 1970s. And Sasquatch feet are different too.

From what I've seen, they're kind of a thicker and they've got more of a break in the middle. It looks a lot less human. Yeah, it doesn't look very, it's a much wider too. And so when you look at these photos and if you're a member of the show, good plug to be a member of the show. You would want to take a look at the, we're going to post in the back end with these photos and Travis has a lot of good data. But take a look at these footprints here because they would look very, very, you'd say, humanoid. Did you have that thought or was there any of that at first to be like, this could be like a big foot track? That did cross my mind.

What my initial thought was, why do they not have shoes on? Like, what's going on? Let's just say go back to the Old Testament. I kind of feel like, though we don't really have a lot of proof, I mean, they were riding chariots back then. Did they not have shoes like sandals or something? Like when Goliath came out and met David, he had bronze. So, you know, that's a great question, Luke.

You know, obviously I don't know. I don't know, but I did, that did cross my mind. But to Nate's point, yeah, some of the feet on the squash prints are, you know, different. More of that, a very high arch. My other question is how much do you think, this is your opinion, right? Because we can only postulate about this. But how much do you think it was that the footprints were giant that they were removed? Or how much do you think it was there in the same strata as dinosaur?

I mean, those are two very, very big problems for, you know, a certain worldview and point of view, right? You have footprints that are very, seem very human that are way too big, and they actually sit right next to dinosaur tracks of which the two were never supposed to be coexist, right? And in humans, you know, this is a giant, quote, giant human. They're supposed to exist in the same time period. And yet they, the photographs this book are they are side by side. So you have this unbelievable evidence of fossilized tracks that should be, according to that timeline of that theory and not. narrative hundreds of millions of years apart.

Also, they're just way too big, right? You don't have a, you don't have a Luke 14 there, or even a shack 22, you know, you got air giants and they're 24. Yeah, what size is that? We don't even know. Yeah. The Air Goliath.

Yeah, it's a big fella. Dude, I don't know. I mean, I feel like it's 50-50 on that. Like, I think both of them are putting a lot of hardcore pressure on mainstream narrative. Yes and, right? It's got to be. Yeah, I would say, yeah, it would have to be.

You know, there is a track, and I'm sure you are well aware of this, but it's in the museum, in the Creation Evidence Museum. It's the real track. It's the one where you have a human track. I think it's 11 and a half inches long, barefoot, and you had like the three-toed dinosaur actually stepped on top of the human track, which just kind of blows. blows their narrative out of the water.

So I'm sure they highly hate that track. So in this book, you know, he documents here. I want to read this little section here. He says, I have counted 40 man tracks at group two. So he had four different groups that he had outlined. And there are more than 100 dinosaur tracks on the same level of rock and the riverbed at spot number two. I've spent 10 years searching the Pilexie River for giant man tracks. together with dinosaur tracks.

I have counted more than 50 man tracks and more than 100 dinosaur tracks in the same layer of rock. The same layer of rock. And he said, this proves that man did not evolve from anything, but was rather created by God.

And a lot of these guys, these older guys, are just kind of coming around to some of the giant narrative because we live in the age of information, right? You can go back in all these, you can dig through these archives of newspapers.

Some of these guys just thought that, you know, Adam was a big guy. He was a taller guy. He was a 12-footer. Maybe he was. Who knows? But Luke and I did another episode on Rockwall, Texas, which is only 100 miles away, sort of northeast of this area.

So we know they were not only were their giants in Texas, but they were building these, you know, some people say that they found megalithic pre-flood construction down in Texas with some of these. I mean, the town's called Rockwall. We did a whole episode on it. Yeah, there's a pretty compelling argument that it could be a megalithic. And the Scott Walters and the American Earth and which history channels will tell you that it's natural. It could be natural, right? I mean, we talked to him about the Montana megaliths and he went and visit them and he believes they are natural. So you could have that.

But I think this is this sort of stack. Some of the stuff stacks up. And you go, this seems a little more plausible based upon what we're finding in the strata. I think it's fascinating. The photos in this book, and we're posties on the back end are just, are dinosaur tracks next to giant human footprints, and they are right next to each other. It's wild.

There's a lot going on here. You've got a lot of schools of thought, but I do think that, I do think you're right. It busts a hole in the narrative, right? So they have to get rid of some guy out at night, take your steel pole and go destroy all these man tracks. Since it sounds like there's only like 50 tracks total that are like obvious,

which is just, it's sort of like a crime against humanity to destroy history like that. Oh, yes. You've got, and I know it's like nerds like us that are interested in this, because this is kind of what we do. This is our channels, what we podcast about. And I like the Bigfoot idea, Luke, just to get that out of the way. We're talking another eight, nine inches on some of these tracks,

bigger than even Bigfoot. So some Bigfellas down there. There's a lot of blurry stuff in Texas. And we should talk a little bit about how long it takes. So in the book, he talks about they found some tools that were fossilized and that it doesn't take as long as the average person thinks to have a fossilized track. Luke and I have posted numerous tracks over the years that look like just a big human print in stone.

And not only are we taught that things are billions of years old, but that it takes a long time for things to turn to stone and it just doesn't. You can look into it. There's a lot of people that have blown holes into that theory that things can fossilize in years, not very long. Right. Right. A few years you can have something that was once an organic matter turned into stone. It's not. So people go, well, how do these tracks get preserved? How do they, why did they wash away? What happened? Well, I mean, a lot of these tracks, there was a massive flood in like, 1908 that it was like the river rose 27 feet and at that time this was like one of the only rivers that wasn't damned up in in Texas yet um and so they were saying they were like boulders like the

size of Volkswagen beetles just floating like just tumbling down this river and what it did is broke away the riverbed and revealed another layer and that's where a lot of the tracks were and so I did in looking into all this, there is something now that can still, it's something called a carbonic acid that it can, with the seasons changing back and forth, it can actually sort of eat away

at this limestone riverbed. So over time, it can kind of wear out these tracks slightly. But I was just down there the other day and the dinosaur tracks still look pretty awesome. So. How many different types of dinosaur tracks did you see? I think there's at least two or three there.

Dude, it was hot. It was hot that day. And so this, like you mentioned, he said there was a lot of tracks at track site two. I've got to go back. I've got to go back there because I couldn't make it to that. To that, um. It says there's 40 human tracks there. Dude, I'm going then.

I'm going. Is that outside the park or is it still? It is. Okay. Yeah. So there's a shot. There's a shot then. There's still be there.

I'm going, man. You know, I'm going to go there. Blurry correspondent on the ground, Travis Roy. Literally, on the ground. On the ground. So I love it. This book, he kind of goes into the, he talks about there's cave paintings of dinosaurs.

He talks about the nephalum a little bit. You had these early blurry guys. This is the podcast of the 70s right here. This is like homemade book. It's called a book. But this is how people like learned in the 70s. They picked up these things called books. They had pictures in them and they read them.

What is that all about? Anyway. I think what's interesting, too, is that if you look in some of this stuff in this book, Travis, some of these are visible only when the river is very low and dry, too, and at some of these sites as well. So there's probably a good shot that some of these things still exist and are still out there because most of the time they're covered by water. So I'm hoping that we can get, you know, get an update from you at some point, especially with droughts going on. I don't know if it's still, you guys still in the midst of a drought down there? Yeah, yeah, so the river's not flowing. But to your point, one of these tracks group sites, where the track sites, I went there first.

And of course, it had like, you know, five inches of water all right there. And with a layer of like inch and a half of soot mud on top of that, of the. So those tracks probably are still there. I may have to go out there and like my swim trunks and just on my hands and knees and just feel around, right? Get your scuba mask out or your snorkeling, your snorkel gear. Yeah, put my face down in that, you know, six inches, six inches. Yeah.

Come back. So Travis has Jardia, but he did find, he did find out that the tracks are there. Hey, I had a question. This is going to be a bit of an aside, but this is something I wanted, I wanted to run by you because, you know, you're in, in the, in the business of, of digging through the microfeach and through the old stuff to find, to find, to find these. these articles and evidence of giants being discovered, right? And one of things that comes up, and this came up actually,

because there was one in Franklin, Tennessee, that was found here, is that all these are just mistaken identity for mastodons, right? Mastodon skeletons, that people are just reassembling to look very human. That's something that people will say. Or it's a giant sloth. That's what you get if you get into the areas in the equatorial spaces, right? It's a giant sloth or we used to be tropical here.

And so that's what it is. What are your thoughts on sort of those explanations when it comes to contextualizing some of, you know, some of these, these finds? Yeah. Okay. So every once a while I do, and I don't usually post these, but out of all of these articles that I've discovered, maybe 10 or less, you'll have somebody who is against this. And it might be closer if I were to go back and find them again. it may be closer to the 1930s. And they will say, yeah, that's just, that's just a bunch of lies.

You know, that's a bunch of lies. It was really this. But those are few and far between. So a lot of times with these reports, except for the one in Franklin, Tennessee, it was like a really big guy. I think it was like 19 feet. It was way down. Way down. He's kind of quite a ways down.

And it looked like he had been like buried alive sort of. Right. That's what I kind of got. the feeling of. But a lot of these in the burial mounds, you may have a guy who's nine foot tall, 10 foot tall, but they have weapons with them a lot

of times. They have really cool artifacts like copper beads. And they're buried with normal sized humans as well, right? So you have this, you have this in a lot of ways, you have that quarter you place on the ground next to the footprint for scale, right? You've got a regular

sized human. That's a tough one to be to pull like, you know, I think tools is a great, as a great point. Like, you aren't burying a mastodon with tools ceremoniously with humans or a giant sloth or whatever, whatever the explanation is for some of these giant scales. I was thinking about it. I've been wanting to talk to you because that's what comes back, right? I think we've alluded to a few of these these and we published a few as well too. And we were doing, we're active doing some blogging stuff on the website. Some of these discoveries and people nowadays are just like, oh, they just misidentified mastodons.

Oh, it's just a, you know, they didn't know what they were doing. And it's like, well, some of these things went on display at like drugstores and, and these were not. I mean, there's skulls. Yeah. Some of their skulls. Yeah. Like, I mean, a human skull, the size of a bucket or a wood bucket or a, they would

call it a peck bucket or something like that because it was like what they were used to, the terms they were used to back then. I don't think a mastodon skull looks anywhere remotely close to a human skull, even though it's like an extra large human skull. It's a big one. Yeah. Yeah, I just, I find that interesting, right? There's always, that's why I honestly wanted to bring up the Sasquatch thing, right?

Because that person might feel more comfortable. But then you look at the photos and it's hard. This is very, very tough to refute. This is not 1880s journalism or 1920s. People can say all they want or talk about yellow journalism and these things. They try to throw at a lot of these articles, right? But the paradigm is still there. And this is where we always go back to the day on the show.

is that like, so Travis is about a thousand. Guess what? If one of those is true, man, that bust the paradigm. You've got to figure out how that works. And the reality is there's a lot more than one that are more than likely true, right? And so I just think it's fascinating here because we are decades after that, we're into, you know, more of a more of what we consider to be a more modern era. We're post-World War II.

We are post-Vietnam even here, right? So we're post-woodstock. You want your market cultural. markers. And we've got photographs, right, with things for scale. We've got, he's got signs and yardsticks. And these are big human footprints. And I, uh, I'm excited to see the stuff that you, that you're able to document as well, because I think this is, this is so cool. Yeah, this is the juice that I needed. I'm glad this is the juice, baby. Yeah. That's right. So I think there's another point to talk about, Luke, is that some people might say, well, what, what these could be, you know,

some other type of animal tracks. But he, you know, in this book, he's documented. And he's, even Bronosaurus tracks and T-Rex tracks. And the T-Rex track that he did document is four-foot-wide across each way. So we're talking some big animals or cruising through Texas. Everything's just bigger in Texas, including you got giants and all kinds of, you know. And I know a lot of people on our channels, Travis, we can talk a little bit about, you know, think that dinosaur is just a rebranded, you know, name for dragon. So they were dragons in the ancient world and now they're, now they're called dinosaurs.

And they say, you know, even in this book, he says, you know, the theory of evolution was a theory when he was a kid. And by the 70s, it was becoming fact. So it was already transitioning to a fact in the 70s. It wasn't like, you know, he said when he grew up, it was people, they used it as a theory. But in the course of his life, it became fact. And I think most people who are skeptical and listen to our show or don't like to, you know, know, sort of read the Christian paradigm into their worldview. We've all been indoctrinated by that, that propaganda, right?

To some extent. Yeah. Right. It still creeps into the church. People still have a hard time. People are trying to, you know, you know, try to explain these two things as they could kind of flow together. But the more we kind of uncover on a show, you can't really do that.

Because there is an alternate history that's, that we've all discovered that is sort of inconvenient if you're trying to fully embrace this scientific narrative that's been pumped into our heads for the last 60 years. Yeah, it's crazy. No, there is a, there is an element of people who, you know, they're Christian, but they still want to kind of, or they still think that somehow evolution or,

you know, even the timestamp periods. Can coexist. Yeah, yeah. But, yeah, it just doesn't, from what I can tell. So how many giant tracks do you think you found? Dude, some of these I didn't see until I was looking at my pictures and footage later. So I was like, okay, I've got to go back to this one spot. So I have one, two, three, four, five.

And then I did find one that was like, I thought it was little, man. It was like 14 inches. But now we've been talking about Shaquille, it's like, well, maybe it wasn't little. But yeah, it's 14 inches. And I thought, well, because it was small compared to this 24 inch. It's kind of crazy what you can still find these days, right? Like we're still getting this stuff sent to us. Dude, if you sit at home, you're not going to find anything.

But if you get out and start poking around. that's the only time you're find stuff. I mean, I know it's kind of obvious, but a point to make. But I had that thought. It's like, well, that was kind of cool. I got out there and I kind of stirred up some evidence. Yeah, yeah. And in the book, the guy gets like postcards and other pictures from other people

who kind of have found similar things. Like there's a track from a big giant track from Kansas in the book. People send this guy their findings. And that's what I love about the podcast is people send us their stuff. And the bigger we get, the more people are like, hey, my friends of Stone Mason, we found this giant track in Montana. Like, if we didn't do this show, we would, it would have been lost. There would have been no. Yeah.

It wouldn't have gone anywhere, really, right? Yeah. Yeah. And we made it. We made a reel about it. I love that guys like you that are boots on the ground, trying to preserve this history, trying to dig it up. Because there's going to be a time, we've talked about it. You're working on a book to compile all this stuff.

But it's going to go MIA at some point. I mean, if they can take a metal pull out in the middle of the night and destroy all these tracks, what else are they going to do digitally in the future? They're going to destroy all the evidence that there were giants in America. They're going to remove everything. Yeah. I had this thought the other day, and I think I mentioned it to you, as hard as they try to destroy evidence, God always has something that's preserved somewhere.

You know what I mean? like they're going to try so hard but if god has if god wants something to get out it will get out yeah like there's going to be like the jars of clay man just like this right these pots in a cave somewhere rain rain rain yeah yeah that jars of clay not that jarziclay exactly looks about the break in the song here Travis you ready just yeah I'm ready I'm ready he's going to put on a show man who doesn't who didn't love some of that OG jars of clay back in the day no I think you're Right, Travis. I think that it reminds you some of those words that God uses the foolish things to confound the wise. It's just like this old footprint in a stone or this pot in a cave totally just throws a wrench in this whole narrative. It doesn't take a whole lot to expose these mountains of lies that they've erected in our colleges, our institutions. And I think more people are waking up to the fact that like, I don't buy it. You know, I don't buy it. Yeah, yeah, lies can only stand for so long.

Right. Just a little bit of truth. We'll just break it down. I don't say this too true. Like, guys, if you have a hypothesis and it requires you to remove and throw out evidence, you no longer have a theory, you have a narrative. And their hypothesis should be able to be proved working forwards and working backwards, right? Mostly working forwards.

That's the idea. So you're, this is, it's fascinating. And I, man, I'm excited to see what you weren't able to find when you get back out there. because, you know, as our friend Tim Alberino would say, this is a big deal. Yeah. Yeah. One of the most interesting things about this story, Travis, to me, when I was thinking about this is you've been doing this for years. You were doing this long before blurry creatures came around.

And there's usually you can find a footprint somewhere, like a single print. You literally have probably the best preserved giant tracks in the world right where you are. You find that kind of interesting? That we know of, right? I do find that. Yeah, that is. Must it's in some cave somewhere that we don't know, right? Yeah, I mean, I've heard that there are some in Colorado, Oklahoma,

but I think it has to be the perfect riverbed. I mean, it can't be sandstone. Well, I guess it could be, but a lot of our rivers up north are mud or like pebbles. Well, just south of the Metroplex here, they're all limestone. And there's a lot of rivers and creek beds. Man, they run hundreds and hundreds of miles. And I guarantee a lot of those. It's illegal just to jump into a, as long as there's a road access to jump right into a river if it's 40 foot or wider.

And so, dude, I've got miles to walk. No, you do. And you're right. Count those steps, baby. That's right. Yeah. Sweat it out. I just think, also I think it's interesting, like, you know, when you're talking about the amount of evidence, like that the conditions have to be almost perfect for these things to fossilize in general.

So you have to have, I mean, dinosaur tracks. giant tracks, whatever it is, it takes the very right amount of weather, material, sediment, and then set of circumstances for these things to actually turn into fossils, into stone. So, I mean, that makes it even more rare, right? Because you're not just talking about let's just find giant footprints from, you know, 10,000 plus, whatever it is, whatever the timeline is years ago. We're talking about finding ones that were that happen to be in the right conditions at the right time, stepped in mud or stepped in the right material.

and it fossilized because of, I would hypothesize because of the cataclysm, but that doesn't, that isn't always the case either. And so it's just interesting. It's a, what a gem that it's right there in your backyard. That's what the author of the book says.

He says, I thought he was going to have to travel the world to discover, to actually research paleontology, but actually in my backyard was the best, some of the best preserved stuff. I mean,

some of these tracks, he has a picture of a bronosaurus tracks and it can hold 21 gallons of water, just this one track. So, I mean, I think he got into, he was more interested in the dinosaur tracks and he says he was talking to some old timers and the old timers were telling him, you know, it says right here. And it says seven years ago when I moved to Glenrose, Texas, I began hearing tales of giant tracks. The giant animals called dinosaurs. I heard tales like way back when I was a boy, I saw these giant men tracks in the bedrock in the Pelluxi River.

And I would ask, how large are these man tracks? The old timers would measure off about 18 to 24 inches with their hands. And then I would ask, where are those tracks? I want to see them. And the best answer I could get was, eh, up a river away. So you had these people that kind of had these, like, you know, there's rumblies and rumors of these tracks existed for a long time.

And this is the 70s. So I'm guessing he's talking to some guys maybe in their 80s, 70s and 80s at that point. So when they were kids, they'd probably run up the river and say, hey, there's dinosaur tracks and there's giant men tracks. And, you know, it wasn't a conspiracy theory back then. It wasn't some fringe podcast that had to break the news, right? But he's kind of telling you, he's kind of saying the same thing that I thought about you, Travis.

Like you're doing these years of documenting giants and then here they are in your backyard, which is cool. Yeah, that is awesome. Unbelievable. Unbelievable is right. And the best thing about Travis is Travis will all be talking to Travis about giants and then he'll just drop in. Yeah, Bigfoot was in my backyard last night talking to me. And I'm like, what? I'm like, what?

You sound like Roger right now, Travis. Oh, geez. He's out there playing the flute. Yeah. Yeah, give us a little update on the squashes that live in your backyard. Oh, geez. Well, I mean, I go on a lot of hikes. So, and sometimes I go, like, at night.

And so, dude, I have a lot of stories about those guys. Like, where do you want me to start? Texas is blurry. It is. Yeah, man. No, I've been on hikes where I've heard conversations like in the woods. Like, you could, it sounded like a massive dude. And there was actually what it caught my, my ear was like,

it sounded like brush was being moved around. I was like, well, what's going on back there? Like it was like further, I was up on a small mountain ridge, and it was even further deep into the woods there. And I was already aware of them possibly being there because I'd heard them like smacking, you know, trees and stuff. back in there. But, you know, I was able to hear like a conversation.

It just lasted for maybe a couple of minutes. It's kind of faint because it was through the trees. But if it makes sense, it, you could tell whatever was making the noise was very big. So it sounded like a male, a female, maybe a couple kids. So it wasn't like it wasn't like muffled. You spent a lot of time in the woods. So just to the spell, it wasn't muffled human voices like down down the down over the hill or the canyon. No, no, because as I went closer to the river, you could hear that's where people were.

Yeah. A lot of times if there are people fishing, I try to avoid them and I just end up crawling up this mountain and just walking along through the cedar trees. You're a purest, bro. Yeah, I mean, I try to blend in. But I got to hear this and it was pretty fascinating. Was it like the Ron Morehead, the samurai chatter or was it different than that? Yeah, it sounded like the male's voice was like metallic sounding it was so deep it wasn't fast chatter it was more of the the slower stuff you hear on the Ron Moorhead like where it's like the actual it's sound like actual actual words you thought about doing it for a second you did you thought about it you're like I'll do my best impression yeah I was like I don't know if I'm supposed to be hearing this

yeah you're like it's a big it's the big guy talking to his wife you're like man I feel like I'm really intruding on their privacy here honestly honestly do you want to you want to know the feeling I got. What I got out of it, I felt like the dude was getting on to the kids. Like, that's what it sounded like. And then the mom was like confirming what he, like agreeing with what he said. That's what it sounded like. Because I heard a woman.

Yeah, dude, it was weird. I love it. But I was somewhere at night pretty close. And I could tell, you know, they come through this area. And I was out, just to tell you what I was doing, I could hear something rustling leaves like constantly. And that's something I've noticed that they will do. It's like a constant distraction is all I can think of. But I started banging on some metal and just I was kind of being an irritant, I'm sure. I was just banging on the metal. And after a while, I got actually got a

vocal, a vocal from this whatever was back there moving leaves around actually made a vocal with his mouth, with his throat. And I'm probably 60 yards from this. I can't see it, but it's because it's in the woods. But, dude, my heart, like, jumped into my throat, it felt like. But it was just like a, ugh. Like, I can't even mimic it, really. Yeah. He did it four times in a row.

I was like, oh, okay, I don't know what that means because I've been around this group for a long time, like years. Not sure what this means. I guess it's okay. They're used to you. I guess they're used to me, but. That's the word on the street is they have to, they can live around humans, but they take a long time to get familiarized with the people that are around their area.

Yeah, I think it's trust. I think it's like trust, right? They have to, you have to have their trust. And even if you have their trust, they're still pretty skeptical of you. Like, they're not sure of you. Unless you're Roger. Then they come in and they braid your horse's hair. Well, they were watching Roger a long time probably.

Yeah, that's good point. They just knew Roger was just, he was a good guy. That's, that's it. He was a good old guy. He just, yeah, they liked him. He's out there just playing the flute for him.

He's like, using my pals. Yeah, they saw him out there, manicuring the snake, the snake mound. You're right. Just fighting up Borkrocks.

I mean, that's right. That's right. You do they're on the same team. They're like, he keeps planting those tomatoes and we keep eating them. What a nice guy.

What a guy. Yeah. No, but I love it. I love that you, like, you know, Travis,

to me, you're, you're looking, you're out there looking. You're looking for things that are glossed over in history. You're looking for small voice in the woods. You're looking for that track in the ground.

You're looking for things. And you've trained your eye to see what a lot of people don't see. And you got the blurry vision going. That's right. That's right. You do have to blow your eyes a little bit when you're looking. You're going to squint a little bit. Yeah.

To know what's out there. And just for our listeners, you live, you back up. You're in Texas. You kind of have some acreage behind you. So you kind of have nature in your backyard. You're always out hiking. Yeah. Every time I call you, it seems like you're out on some sort of hike or an adventure,

or you're posting photos. You get out. Seems like your way of de-stressing, you could say. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's therapeutic to get out there and just, that's what I think. Yeah, just get out there and get away from, get away from the city. Get out in the forest, to get on the riverbank. That's where those guys are hanging out anyway.

Obviously, the giants back in the day were hanging out around there too. Yeah. Just walk on the riverbeds. just yelling at their kids. Probably so. Nothing's changed. Just universal truth, right? Kids doing bad things.

Little Bigfoot just out there. Yeah. Just sticking their fingers in light sockets. Your mom just washed your feet. She's going to kill you. How dare you get money again? Well, Travis, maybe my last question, wrap it up here. You know, you've been cataloging giant stuff the last three years since we've talked to you.

Can you give us an update? Do you find anything in the last three years that sticks out in your mind of some wild, a couple wild stories? You have any, anything you found in the catalogs that you can remember? Oh, man. Oh, man. Any weird ones? Because we got into them.

We got into it last time. So go back. If you haven't listened to our first episode with Travis, we, I think we broke down about 10 or 12, you know, top, kind of your top 10. We did sort of a late night with David. Letterman. Yeah. No, I mean, dude, I don't know, man. There's so many of them, like in my mind, they just kind of run together. And so I just, I can say this, like what I've learned about these giants, a few things. A lot of times they seem to have a religion where they worship the sun.

Like they were either their heads or their feet were buried facing east many times. That's something that I've learned. They had a lot of copper with them. They, sometimes some, but sometimes they had stone battle axes with them. Some of my favorite ones are like articles where there were 12, there was an article where there were 12, there was more than that, they were 12 foot tall. I think there were like 10 or more giants just found buried along a river in like Louisiana, but they're all 12 foot tall. It's, it's stories like that that are like, they're more, they're compelling to, the truth that they were actually a race of people, not just like somebody who had gigantism.

It's stories like that that I love to find. But yeah, I'd say just get on the site that I have on Giants underscore of, underscore ancient America on Instagram and Facebook and just start flipping through them. Yeah. You didn't find a like a cave full of little people, skeletons, just like 50 little people. You can dream, Nate. One can, you can dream. It's going to happen.

It's been a while. Race of Pygmies. Hey, maybe I need to start researching that. We'll see what I've come up with. Oh, yeah. Yeah, once you exhaust the big guy. Yeah. Then you go for the little.

You know, you just spectrum swings all the way back to the little guys. It does, yeah. No, I think you're right. I think that that's good, like, when you find batches of them because a lot of people say, oh, yeah, they were just, they just found one person with gigantism. There's people that are eight foot tall today. Yeah, there are one in a million people get that big. But we're talking, you're finding dozens sometimes.

Right. Yeah, it's kind of like today when you have, there's, there are genetics and you can see it in family lines where everybody in that family's big. They're six, five, six, you know, seven, six four, six two. And, and they all kind of look, you can see the bloodline, but we're talking like, let's bump it up a few notches. And you're talking guys that are, they're all 12 foot or 10 foot, the women are eight foot. And you did have that. You had women that were seven to eight foot tall, buried with some of these giant males. And so, yeah, it's, it's, picture what you have today, but like, bump it up, you know,

ten notches. Your bones, the bones are, you know, your skulls are that they find are an inch thick, inch and a half thick, horses, teeth, size, teeth. So, yeah, it's not like a problem. I guess it is a problem, but it's a problem that originated in Genesis 6, not, not one from a gigantism disease or anything like that. Do you think, do you think they couldn't breed, sort of they were degrading over time and eventually they just couldn't they just couldn't reproduce anymore because they just kind of

disappeared. Yeah, that's a great question. Yeah. I mean, who knows? I mean, there are so many legends from Indian legends and Native American legend. Exactly. They were still around. Yeah, they were around. And I think it's like down where the Aztecs were from. They have legends. For like some of the Aztecs had legends of pre the pre-Giants or the pre-Asteg people were judged by God. They said like fire. So who knows, like, really what happened? You know, there's speculation there. And you just have, you have to take it from the old timers amongst their communities. But I don't really know. I mean, that's a good question. Did, did they get burnout, like burnt to death like they did in the Lovelock Cave, you know, yellow hair getting attacked by, you know, just getting ganged up on by a bunch of other people?

Did they go into hiding? I don't know. Were there further judgments from the Lord? that we're not aware of yet upon them. Yeah, they didn't have the blessing to be here, really, you know? No. No, so we know in the Bible there are many, well, I'll say many. There was the initial flood, right? And then they came back. And then you had Joshua and his great battle against them,

which took them down quite a few notches. And that was a judgment of the hellstone, the sun standing still. So are there other judgments from the Lord that maybe still need to be, discovered. Who knows? Exactly. I love it. I love your thoughts. How's the book going? Oh, it's. Tell our listeners where you're at. We're going to, we're going to light a fire under you here. Okay. Yeah. Dude, I'm still plugging away on the book. Like, all my writing is done. Now I'm just like, I'm plugging in the newspaper articles. That takes a lot of time. So like, you know, every five articles, it takes about an hour. So, and you get, you get kind of burn out after, you know, after an hour. It's like,

I need to do something else for a second. Because I'm rereading each article, and then I go ahead and type out some of what it's saying just in case people don't want to read the article. It's too blurry. So that's a lot of work. It's coming along. Very blurry.

So blurry. Yeah. Well, tell our listeners again where they can follow your work and harass you for a change. Okay. And not us. Yeah. Okay.

They harass you enough. I already know. Yeah. That's all right. I don't mind it. I mean, I enjoy answering questions if I, you know,

if I know the answer. But anyhow, you can find me on Instagram and it's Giants of, oh, let's see, start over, Giants underscore of

underscore ancient America. So ancient America is one word on Instagram. And same name on Facebook. I love it. Travis, we've been talking since episode,

episode one with you and become a good friend. And I love that about blurry creatures is that the people come on our show. It's more than just trying to get content out there. I feel like we've developed a relationship with almost all of our guests. And, you know, I just really appreciate your hustle and spirit and willingness to come on our show in the beginning. I remember I kind of had to talk you into it. You're like, I don't know. I don't want to come on a podcast, which you did.

Dude, yeah. Yeah, back then, I was like, I'd only been on like a radio show that broadcast out of, like, Denton, Texas, like north of D.F. that's like all I had done. Yeah. It was ham radio. You were just talking to truckers. And they probably liked it. They probably really loved it.

Yeah, they were eating it up. I know. We just, where can we get more of this? They're like, what's your call sign? Big, big writer. Yesterday we just did an interview for our first magazine.

And she's like, remember magazines with like paper? And you have articles and it sits on your coffee table. And Luke and I are like, I think so. I think we remember that. Yeah. They used to keep them by pay phones.

I remember those. Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome. Bringing it back. So you got a book in the works. Go follow Travis on Instagram. I just appreciate you, man.

Thanks for being a friend in this weird, blurry space. We get a lot of, we all get a lot of pushback in this space from a lot of different types of people who, when you're trying to push the truth out there, it seems like you get these attacks. It just kind of burrow into your mind. And it takes the community of people to kind of like, hey, just keep going. Keep plugging away. don't let the few people get you down.

There's so many people out there that love your information. I know it's hard sometimes. You're just posting news articles, but it's important that this history gets preserved because like you said in this episode, it just takes a couple guys to go out and pull the plug or destroy the evidence. And we have a lot of cases of that.

Someday, some kid, you know, someday this could be like you, Travis. Someday some guy buys your book off eBay on some futuristic podcast 40 years from now. I'm like, this guy, Travis, documented all these ancient newspapers of giants being found. And, you know, who knows what, 100 years from now, some guys could be talking about your book on their weird podcast episode or whatever it is in the future. Yeah, I love it. That's why we got to do stuff like this.

That's why some important work. Yeah. It's cool to find these old timers. Getting blurry back in the 70s. Dude, I love it. I appreciate it. We'll post some of these photos. Luke and I'll post them in our members' chats.

We'll try to post them on our social media channels. Thanks again, Travis, for coming on, blurry creatures. Be nice to Bigfoot out there. Okay. We don't want you disappearing on us. I'll be well-behaved. He likes you. Maybe he's protecting you by now.

Oh, man. I hope so. I hope so. Who knows? I hope so. I need it. I need it. All right, Travis.

Jeez. Thanks, man. Thanks, man. Thanks, thanks, thanks, guys. Thanks, later. Later. You too. Later, man.

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