Blurry Creatures - EP: 19 The Watchers with Timothy Alberino

Episode Date: December 17, 2020

Who were The Watchers? What was their job? In this fascinating episode, we welcome author and filmmaker Timothy Alberino to discuss his new book BIRTHRIGHT. Tim challenges our understanding of realms, authority, aliens, terrestrial domains, and the purpose humans were given here on Earth. Is our existence a mistake? Join us for an extremely eye-opening journey into who WE are as the human race.  Guest: https://timothyalberino.com [e-mail] blurrycreatures.com  Socials www.instagram.com/blurrycreatures  www.facebook.com/blurrycreatures  www.twitter.com/blurrycreatures  Music Kyle Monroe: www.tinytaperoom.com  Aaron Green: https://www.instagram.com/aaronkgreen/  Mastering: Brandon Weaver https://ironwingstudios.com Outro Song: TimeCop1983: www.timecop1983.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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We're 18 episodes into this podcast. We've gone from Bigfoot to the end of the world, the judgment when these crazy creatures come back. I mean, we've had a whole pretty much summed up everything in the middle of the story from kind of when humans got here and kind of where we're going. And Bigfoot and Dog Man, and sort of all the kind of miracle creatures in between. Yeah, but, you know, I didn't think we would be getting this deep into like theological side of things and the Bible. And I think a lot of people have been on that ride with us and they understand that you kind of need a framework in which to build your podcast around. I mean, if you want to stay, I think this is the thing that I love about blurry creatures is I listen to a lot of cryptic shows. And I would get to this point where I was like, come on, push the envelope.

Like what? Where does this stuff come from? Right. And I felt like a lot of shows, they just didn't go there. They didn't want to alienate their listeners. So we can't talk about the Bible because we don't want people to stop listening to our show. And I don't think you and I really give a care. It's just like, hey, this is where we're at.

This is who we are. Yeah. And we're going to try to make the sense of it, the best. best we can. I think so far that the Bible has been the best way to do that. I agree. Well, we're talking thousands of years of, you know, history that exists within the biblical account, you know, just even that set aside from it being, you know, what, you know, our beliefs with the Bible and in the inspiration of the text, it's essentially chronicles human history from the beginning. So I don't see, even if you don't fall in a place of faith, I, you know, I don't see how you,

I just don't see how you can dismiss any of it. And this, I mean, we're talking about the human narrative from the beginning, right? And you and I both fall into places where this falls into an under the umbrella of our own faith. Yeah. So regardless of where you land with that, I don't think you can disregard it just simply because it's from the Bible. And honestly, I think for us and what I've, this journey, because like you said, I don't know if I imagined it would end up where it is right now. But I think the amazing thing is that it's sort of the tapestry that it's woven.

for me in my life with, you know, understanding the bigger picture. And yes, it includes creatures. And yes, that's what we began on this journey talking about creatures and how Bigfoot was a gateway drug. But I think it's become so much more than that. And I like the idea that we're going to, I don't think we're going to change what we're doing or, or cower behind ambiguity so that we make, make sure we don't ruffle anybody's feathers. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't want to say, too, that like there's a lot of people out there. I mean, a lot of this information they talk about, you know, being false prophets that like there's counterfeit narratives right that's something that we've discovered on this show there is like a counterfeit version of humans the giants right right a counterfeit version of

creation right and so there's counterfeit Christians and counterfeit stories of Jesus right and I don't want to be on the counterfeit side I feel like this show is really just solidified to me that hey it's important when you talk about this stuff and one thing that's happening on our show, and I believe it's been happening in the information age, is the church has sort of been handcuffed the last 1,500 years where it can't talk about this stuff, right? So many of these guys coming on our shows say seminaries won't preach Genesis 6. They won't. Or they call the sons of God, the sons of Seth. And they have, they explain it all the way. But you and I are, we're not beholden to a congregation,

scholars. We just, it's just you and me. And we're sending our thoughts out there. We don't we can't get canceled, right? Right. So we're going to say, the podcast is great, because we're going to say what we feel like is the truth. I think you should ask questions, too, that, you know, and I would hope everybody takes everything, you know, at face value and then decides for their own. And unlike a lot of mainstream media, I don't think you and I or anybody else is trying to tell anyone how to believe.

I think we're just laying it out there through our own worldview and then through the worldviews of our guests and asking questions and, you know, questioning the narrative that we've been told, been given that's been, you know, handed down to us, you know, through a lot of channels. and then deconstructing some of that to understand greater, the big picture, whether, you know, and honestly through the lens of creatures, I think it's a very interesting and different lens, not the traditional one that you or I would have had, you know, growing up in the church. Sure.

But I think when you get those questions, like, I remember just all the time just like, what is, some of these crypted shows and some of these interviews, they would get close to an explanation, an origin story. And they just wouldn't push the envelope far enough for me. And so some people just like to hear the creepy stories. Like, oh, man, this thing jumped out of the bushes. It scared me half to death. And then the next guy comes on and says the same story.

You know, the hunter in the bushes. I saw something. I didn't know what it was. And you hear that a thousand times. And for me, it just started to drive me insane. Like, what are people seeing? What is this thing? Do we have any history?

Do we have, is this stuff? How does this stuff fit into the Bible? You know, because you grow up with that worldview and you're like, did God create this stuff too? Or? No. Where are the answers? And a lot of people, they just, especially in the paranormal space, they just think like there's just ghosts out there. And that's it, right?

Like, there's just weird stuff. And I'm like, nah, I mean, there's more, right? There's more to it. Yeah. Yeah. I was just to say, like, just to put context and meaning to behind the sightings and the, in the circumstantial evidence. I think that's where I think we're landing. And I actually really like that.

Yeah. Because I think it's easy to always just provide the circumstantial without an explanation, but to provide an actual context, with an historical narrative that does align with a lot of places that a lot of people look to for their own foundational beliefs, I think it provides a vast richness to, to what we would consider circumstantial evidence for creatures, for chimerical creatures, for Bigfoot and all the above. But I mean, if you get too controversial, what I'm saying is like a lot of these guys get their YouTube channel scrubbed, their Twitter's deleted. I mean, people get deleted when they talk about this stuff. And I think the same applies to like guys like Jeff Meldrum, right?

where he has his own colleagues, you know, making fun of him and trying to silence his information, right? And I think the same goes with the church. If a pastor gets on stage and starts preaching about Genesis 6, how many people stand up and leave, right? How many times does he get off stage and go back and then he has an elder sit him down and say, hey, you can't preach about this stuff? You think that stuff happens? I'm sure it does because I think in a lot of ways the Western church has become a place that people go to and get a motivational speech and to feel comfortable. And so when you step outside what people find is comfortable

or you call people on the inequities and the sins in their own lives, you sadly, you tread in a space where people get offended. They don't want to feel that way at church. And that's not at all the message, you know, the message of the gospel, which is to me is really sad that some things go that way. Yeah. Yeah, that's a weird time. But I think that's a cool thing about the podcast format. We're no experts. Trust us. We are not experts and I love that about, you know, some of the bigger podcasts I listen to. I love it when they say, you know, we're not experts, we're just asking good questions.

We're going down the rabbit holes with you and we're not here to try to say, hey, we haven't been to Peru and put our hands on the rocks yet. Not yet. Not yet. But it's coming. Yeah, Brian Forrester. We need to get out there. But someone who has put their hands on the rocks. We're about to interview here.

You know, a lot of people have emailed us and said, I love that you keep going down the trail of the giants. Keep going. That's sort of become a theme on our show. Those are the guys that email me back and want to come on our show. Authors who want to talk about the Nephlem and the Giants. I emailed all kinds of people. They get back to me every time.

Yeah. So is that sort of? I just think we're providing a platform and a place for this conversation where, like you said, there's a lot of pushback for against things in this space. Because I think it makes people feel uncomfortable based on maybe the fantastic middle earth sort of realm that this proposes existed, you know, and existed before. And I think that makes people feel like, I don't know if it's hard. I think some people find that hard to believe because you live in the now through your own, you look out through your own, your own two eyes.

And it's tough to imagine that things thousands of years look vastly different than things look now aside from, you know, our technological advances that we see around us. But I think if we look into the account and to the evidence, it tells a different story. and I think that's paradigm shifting for a lot of people. And some people live in a safe space. I think this year more than ever we find the people, that's what they want. When you challenge that and you're a dissenting voice to that or you provide an alternative, people will shut down automatically.

That's why it's been nice to have and create conversation. I mean, the best thing to do is create conversation around this. It's to propose that maybe things aren't, as we've been told, and maybe things aren't as clear cut as people would like to pretend they are. Yeah, the narratives have been sort of saying. And when you get people an unsanitized version, whether it's not wearing a mask at Kroger or there's giants in the Bible, they freak out, right? They can't handle that. The unsanitized life. I mean, just imagine if you dropped a 21st century human and 500, 600, 700 years ago, they wouldn't know how to do anything. But Timothy Albarino would. He dropped out of high school, moved to the jungles of Peru. We're excited to bring him on the show today. If you've seen him on anything like 18, in aliens or listen to his talks on YouTube. The guy is multifaceted, tons of talent, and probably smells like rich mahogany. You know what I mean?

One can only hope. All right, welcome to the show, Timothy Albarino. I'm Tim. Can I call you, Tim? Can I call you, Tim? Tim, you're a filmmaker, explorer, historian, and now you're an author of your new book, Birthright, The Coming of the Post-Human Apocalypse. You've been a truth Seeker from a young age, from what we can tell when you dropped out of high school, moved to the jungles of Peru, and then you spent the rest of your youth living with hunters and lumberjacks. Man, we're honored to have you on the podcast today. Well, I'm very happy to be here. We just got to ask, though, do you get tired of being compared to Indiana Jones?

Everyone says that on every interview. You know, when I was growing up, when I was eight to ten years old, I used to run around and imagine I was Indiana Jones. And in fact, I was, me and a buddy of mine, we used, we learned to write in hieroglyphics and Egyptian hieroglyphics and to read hieroglyphics to some extent, very low level. And we were always very interested in archaeology. But then I kind of, I grew out of that pretty fast. and then suddenly found myself in the Amazon and traveling all over the Amazon and the Andes

and so it kind of manifested when I got older and then of course getting into alternative history studying megaliths and all kinds of things so I suppose I've kind of I've kind of to some in some way grown into that archetype yeah some people hate that like I remember Biff from back to the future hates being called Biff.

How do you end up into Amazon? How does that even happen? I mean, obviously, especially the young age. That's a long story, how I got into the Amazon. The short version is that I dropped out of high school and I made my way. It was a process of 18, 19 years old, transitioned out of suburban, out of the suburban lifestyle I was familiar with. I grew up in Cleveland, Ohio.

in the suburbs of Cleveland, Ohio, and in like a lower middle class family. And I deplored school. I deplored high school. So there's a lot of details here that go into this, that went into the decision. But I ended up, actually, the reason why I ended up in the Amazon in Peru was because I got deported from England. I got deported from, I got deported from Gatwick, England. I was on my way to Scotland.

And me and a buddy of mine, we landed in, when I was 18, we landed in Gatwick, London, and we were going to get on a train and go up north to Scotland. And then we were going to hike the Inverness Trail and then hop over to Ireland. And we were going to be staying with a friend of ours in Ireland for a while. It was like a three-month trip. And when we landed in Gatwick, the immigration officials grabbed us, interrogated. us and sent us home the next day after calling me a Yankee. Was it because he didn't have visas or was there any actual rhyme or reason to that?

No, this woman didn't like us. She didn't like, she, it's a long story, but she was very offensive with me, called me a Yankee. You know, I told her that we were going to be hiking and camping and she, she pretended like she didn't understand what hiking and camping was. She told me that maybe us Yanks do things like that. over in Britain, they don't hike or camp. It sounds dangerous, she told me.

Oh. And so it's just a long story and very unpleasant experience, but it turns out that it was providential because the next day I was on a flight back to Cleveland, which I was desperately trying to escape. And it just so happened that when I got back, my father was a pastor. there was a gentleman coming to speak at his church, like the week after I got back from getting deported from England, there was a missionary coming to speak at his church, at our church, and his name was Alfonso, and he was a missionary in Peru. He's a Mexican guy, missionary in

Peru. My stepmom told me that I should go to Peru instead, you know, since I got deported from England. And so I decided, kind of begrudgingly, because I never really, had my sights set on the Amazon, I wanted to go to Scotland and Ireland. And so, long story short, I met Alfonso and we talked and the next thing I knew, I was in Peru. And for a month and then I came back and I decided that I really, really liked the Amazon and I came home and then raised enough money to go back and just stay. And that's what I did. Your mom probably didn't like that. my my dad didn't have any idea what what what what was going on in my head or what or what my plans were nobody did I just was kind of doing my own thing and suburban life was not a good fit for me

yeah when I was 18 and so when I when I when I was soon as I was exposed to the Amazon I was just captivated the freedom the the the the wild sort of savage lifestyle that one can live out in the Amazon. And, of course, all the new experiences, and it was the furthest thing away from high school that you could imagine. Yeah. Suburban high school. So anyway, I don't think I've ever told that much detail about it.

That's fantastic. But that's only a very small part of what actually led me into the Amazon, what actually drove me. And I'll just say this, what was driving me in this whole endeavor. was a very deep desire to encounter God, like have a burning bush experience with God. That was the fuel. That was the engine behind.

That was the motivating factor why all of this was going on. And so I ended up way deep into the Amazon, deep into the jungle living with hunters and lumberjacks. Actually, was a lumberjack for a little while out on the Amazon. And that's where some very interesting things happened. We have a tradition on our show. We ask every guest, the first thing we ask is, what are your thoughts on Bigfoot? I know it's kind of totally changed the topic here, but what do you thoughts on Bigfoot?

Do you have any thoughts on Bigfoot? We can't break with tradition, you know? In my estimation, the Sasquatch is an indigenous hominid to planet Earth. I think that it's a very ancient creature. It's been here for a very long time. And it's probably a survivor of the last ice age. It may even be a creature that was on the earth before Adam, but it's very, it's very real. And they're very furtive creatures.

They're not, they're not as intelligent as we are, but they're certainly more intelligent than chimpanzees or gorillas. And they have a very, I think they have a very complex social structure, social hierarchy. and they're very, very wary of human beings. What about the supernatural events associated with them? What do you chalk those up to? I'm not sure what to make of those. I do believe that the Sasquatch has some degree of telepathic capabilities.

Yeah, we hear those things all the time. And I'm not sure exactly what to make of these apparently, quote-unquote, supernatural experiences that people have with the Sasquatch. I'm not a big fan of the word supernatural, by the way. But why not? Well, I'll get to that. What's really fascinating about the Sasquatch is the association between these beings and flying saucers and UFOs. I kind of wonder if the, if the grays are using the bigfoot creature as almost like a, for reconnaissance to some degree,

because I think that the grays can control them. And so that's why you find them sometimes in proximity to UFOs and gray aliens. But this is a very obscure topic. I mean, nobody really knows. Yeah. Nobody has. I think some people are getting pretty close to having definitive proof of the existence of the Sasquatch. In fact, I would go so far as to say that some people probably have proof.

I've seen some very convincing proof of these creatures. I would wager to bet that the U.S. military elements of the U.S. military are very much aware of these creatures. Yeah. We, that's kind of what we've been trying to figure out on this show. We kind of started with Bigfoot, and then we work back to the giants of old, and then we've gone all the way to, we've touched the, touch the ends of prophecy, our last guest, talked about prophecy a little bit. We've kind of been in the middle, and your book kind of hits the bookends, I think, of what life was like before, before humanity and after humanity. Well, I do have a footnote about Bigfoot in my book, actually. And I've actually done a lot of

thinking about the Sasquatch. But I do not believe, I break with most of my colleagues in that, I do not believe that the Sasquatch has anything to do with the Nephalim. The Nephilim are a very specific thing. And I think that we have this tendency to paint in broad strokes over anything that is bizarre and label it a Nephilim. So we kind of lose the definition of what a nephalim actually is, what these entities were precisely. I don't think it's as broad a definition as we think. I think that these entities were very specific and they existed in a very specific period of time.

If they exist today, then probably they're underground to some degree. I do believe that the accounts, because I heard one myself, Steve Quayle and I, together interviewed a... It's in our film. It's in the True Legends series. I forget which one. I think it's in the second one, the Unholy Sea. We interviewed one of the AC-1, the AC-130 pilot that flew the body of the dead giant out of Afghanistan.

So I have no doubt that those entities, the giants, exist, but I'm not so sure that they have anything whatsoever to do with the Sasquatch. Yeah. The descriptions we've had on our show is the giants that are seen today are clothed, caring clubs. They have more technology. And Sasquatch is more primitive. Primitive, yes, ape-like. Yeah. Could it be like a chimerical creature where a hybrid of a, like they took an ape and they messed with it?

I suppose anything's possible. We don't know anything about these creatures. It's so obscure. Everything is so ambiguous. Who knows? I tend to think, as I said, that these creatures are indigenous to the planet. My guess is that they were around before the giants. This is an indigenous species.

How old do you think the Earth is? probably as old as the astrophysicists think it is. I think the Earth is very old. I think the planets in our solar system. It's as old as the other planets in our solar system. Let's put it that way. I think that the Earth is, I think there was a pre-adamic paradigm on Earth. That's also extremely obscure because in my estimation, and I spend time unfolding this in the book, there was a massive war in a our solar system. And I think that there was a planet between Mars and Jupiter that the Bible identifies as Rehab and that planet exploded. And the destruction of Rehab, the obliteration of Rehab, it caused unimaginable destruction in the solar system. And when I say unimaginable, I'm talking about the kind of

destruction that the Bible references. The mountains melted like wax, that kind of destruction. So the kind of cataclysm heat that could melt solid rock. And so if that's what happened and the earth was subjected to that cataclysm resulting from the explosion of a big planet in our solar system, then anything that was on the earth, any kind of structures or technology or any remnant of a former civilization, a pre-ademic civilization, would have been absolutely, would have been what have been, would have been, would have been, vaporized. They say there's some of those megaliths have that. You're about like the burn marks and all this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, there's this notion that the megaliths might be pre-adamic. I don't know. I tend to doubt that because, again, you know, I think that the earth was subject to a cataclysm that would have absolutely just laid waste to everything. I don't think there would be anything left,

any evidence of anything left. I could be wrong. I mean, maybe the megaliths are pre-adamic. There's Certainly, in my estimation, there's certainly anti-deluvian. They're certainly pre-flood. Yeah. But are they pre-ademic? I don't know. I mean, there's no way to know. However, I will say that there are indications that the megaliths are, a lot of the megaliths,

I would say the majority of them, date from about 10,000 to 12,000 BC. So you're definitely in the anti-deluvian world. Are you in a pre-ademic world at that point? I don't think so. I think that there's a lot more time between Adam and the flood than we think, like thousands of years. So one of our guests, Dr. Jed talked about Eden being a separate place while there was other life going on around it. Do you agree with that? In my book, I address Eden, and I'm of the persuasion that Eden, that the Garden of Eden was never on earth. Because the Bible, the Hebrew scriptures, they draw on equivalence between the father's house, which is sometimes

referred to as heaven, Paradise and Eden. And these three ideas, you see them, they're almost synonymous. In fact, I would say that they are synonymous. So people assume, of course, the ancient Hebrews believe that Paradise and Eden were the same thing. So most people assume that the Garden of Eden was on the earth because it has, it appears to have a physical address. It appears that there are terrestrial markers, that it has locality on earth because it talks about the rivers and the gold and the gold of that land is good and so forth. But I think there's a much deeper meaning behind all of this. I think that the gate to Eden was on the earth, specifically on the summit of Hermon.

and that Eden was always, paradise was always the father's house and that it was never on earth. That's my take on Eden. And I unfold this in the book. I take time explaining why I believe this. And I believe that the gate to Eden functioned like what's, functioned as an Axis Moondi, what's known as an Axis Moondi. And this is, of course, a common view. this is the Mesopotamian view of Mount Hermon, that on the summit of Mount Hermon, the summit of Mount Hermon is where the cosmic waters converged.

And you have the Canaanites, for example, believe that the heavens, the earth, and the underworld converged on the summit of Hermon. This was a Canaanite view. And this was generally speaking, the Mesopotamian view. And then you come to realize that this is actually the Hebrew view as well. And there's some interesting correlations there because of the New Testament, Jesus transfigured on the summit of Mount Hermon or up on somewhere up on Mount Hermon and what do you have in that transfiguration you have Jesus who's alive represents the

living the earth and those alive on the earth the land of the living and then you have Moses who died who would represent the underworld and then you have Elijah who was taken up to heaven in a chariot so you have this this idea this this exact idea of the convergence of these cosmic waters and these three realms. Yeah. So there's definitely something interesting going on there. And he only takes three disciples with him, and then he specifically tells him not to say anything, right? Well, what's really interesting about, I think the point of the transfiguration of Christ is evident in that when Christ transfigures, Moses and Elijah appear. And what do Moses and Elijah represent? If not,

the law and the prophets. You couldn't get a better iconographic representation. of the law than Moses and of the prophets and Elijah. Yeah. And so you have this representation of the law and the prophets in Moses and Elijah, and the disciples are witnessing this, the three disciples. And of course, they want to build these tabernacles, and they're really excited about what they're seeing. And then the vision disappears,

and only Jesus is left, and they hear an audible voice that says to them, this is my beloved son. Hear him. So the message is clear that Jesus is the summation, the point, the purpose

of the law and the prophets. He's the completion of the law and the prophets. He fulfills the law and the prophets. And that's why they hear this voice. Hear him. And so I think there was

theological messaging happening in the transfiguration for those particular disciples that they would understand exactly who Christ is. But it's interesting that that whole event took place on the summit of Hermon. Yeah. And that's where most, I think most scholars today believe that that's for the trend. There's some argumentation still that there's some other mountains that have been postulated as the location of that event. But that's where the watchers supposedly descended to and where all the ruckus began, right?

So do you think that Jesus is sort of also doing like a picking a supernatural fight? Like, oh, you, you know, you came down on this amount. I'm going to go up here. I'm going to, I'm going to, because weren't the watchers called the shiny ones and Jesus transfigures and gets shiny himself? Is that kind of like a come and get me? There's this debate about who the watchers, exactly what, who the watchers are. There's this debate in our community. Everybody's got their own opinions. Generally speaking, most people will refer to them as fallen angels. Again, just like I'm not, I don't, not a big fan of the term supernatural. I'm also not a big fan of the term fallen angels because neither of those terms are in the Bible. They're contrivances. They're a way that we describe, we can understand what these entities are in some kind of a context that makes sense to us in these principles, things that we don't understand actually, like supernatural events. trying to understand them with terminology that we feel comfortable with.

So there's this question of exactly who and what a watcher is. And there's all kinds of ideas out there. But I really have a very simple view on this. I think that the watchers are members of what I call the elder race, which are the entities that preexist us, and that we look like, we look like them. We're the younger brother. They're the older brother.

And they're not human. We are. There's a distinction there. I'm not saying that we're the same as them. And we call these beings angels loosely. I say loosely because this is a term that's it's non-explicit. The term angel is not, it's not an explicit term. It doesn't have explanatory power. Neither really does the term watcher. These are very nebulous terms. I don't believe there's a watcher class, so to speak, of angels. And a lot of people like to talk about a watcher. class. I believe that the watchers are the cherubim are the seraphim. I don't think there's a difference between these entities. I think they're all the same. I think it's different designations for the same group of beings. And you can designate them as a class as long as, in my mind, as long as we're not talking about a different species. So in other words, what I'm saying is this. It's like human beings. You know, we're all human beings, but not all of us have the same a state in life. For example, if I work at the Pentagon and I'm in the military, then even though you and I are still human beings, I have a designation that you don't. I might be a general,

for example, or a colonel. And so even though you and I are of the same species, I am a human being that is a part of an order, that you're not. I'm part of the military. I'm a general. so to, you know, if we're thinking in those terms. So I think that watchers and seraphim and cherubim are all members of the elder race. They all look the same. I don't believe that there are literal creatures that have four faces, for example, or that any of these entities have six wings and are full of eyes. I think that's all iconographic. It's prophetic iconography. And all of those depictions are, meant to convey a message to us. So when the prophets are having these visions, when the prophets are seeing a cherub with four faces and wings in one scenario, and then later on, another prophet

or the same prophet, sees a cherub in a different setting with maybe a little bit different description. What we're getting is a message. And prophetic iconography has to be unpacked. and I know I'm kind of going on a rabbit trail here, but for example, the four faces of the cherubim that we have the face of a man, the face of an ox, the face of a lion, and the face of an eagle are the four cardinal points of the Mazzaroth, the Zodiac. And of course, in the Matsaroth, and even in the Zodiac, the Scorpio, which is represented as a scorpion, most of us are recognized the sign Scorpio as a scorpion. There are ancient depictions, and in fact, among the Hebrews especially, where Scorpio isn't represented as a scorpion,

but as an eagle. And so what you're seeing is you're seeing an iconographic depiction of the Matzorov, of the four cardinal directions of the Matzorov. And again, the Matzorov is the Hebrew zodiac. It's the same signs, by the way. So what I'm trying to say is that there's much deeper meaning here than we think. I used to think that there are these literal creatures in heaven with four faces and wings, you know, six wings and eyes all around. And it occurred to me at some point in my life that I need to understand what is being conveyed, not necessarily that these are anatomical, accurate anatomical depictions of entities. That's not the point. The point is a message. The point is that there's information being conveyed to me through these depictions and that we need to unpack what we're

seeing. And whether people like that or not, I mean, you know, Solomon said that it's the glory of God to conceal a thing. And it's the glory of kings to search a thing out. God conceals things. That's esoterism. That's the meaning of esoteric. Yeah. Esoteric is when you conceal information with symbols. And you cannot understand the information unless you understand the symbols. It's a cryptic on purpose. That is the nature of prophecy. So now going back to the Watchers,

when we talk about Watchers and Cherabim and Seraphim, people like to try and categorize these things and create these different creatures. It's like zoological distinctions here. These are different creatures. Some of them have wings. Some of them have, you know, foreheads. Some of them are covered in eyes. I think we're missing the point. I think what we're talking about is among the sons of God, this race that I designate as the elder race because they're older than us. That's a parent in the scriptures. And they are, they constitute a race. They're not us. They're not humans. They constitute a race. So they're older, thus elder, and they're a race. How else are we to understand these beings? I think they all look the same. They're sons of beings. They're sons of beings. God. I think all the sons of God look similar. I don't think there are sons of God with four faces and wings and whatever. I think they all look like us or rather we look like them. Why? Because we're all part of the same family. So among the sons of God, there's a hierarchy. There's a hierarchical structure among the sons of God. And at the top of this hierarchical structure, just like the example I use,

that we're both human beings, but if I or you are a general in the army or, or, or, in the Navy, you are further up on a hierarchical structure than I am. You have more authority than I do in that realm. If you're a part of the Vatican, you know, you got more information than the rest of us. Exactly. You're like almost the top of the pyramid of the one world order, they say, right? And that's a hierarchical structure among human beings. So in the same way, and I'm working all the way all the way back around to this term watcher. Yeah. So in the same way, the watcher slash cherub slash seraphene. These are the princes in the kingdom. These are the princes among the son of God, of the sons of God. These are members. You might think of them in terms of Mike Heiser's divine

council theology, that these are members of a council, that these are high-ranking sons of God, that are being designated as watchers or cherubim or seraphim. And all of those designations, by the way, all of them convey the same thing, if you think about it. Because you guys, cherubim, what are the cherub beam covered in? Eyes. They also have wings, right? Same thing with the seraphim. So, and then you have this designation of watchers. Well, what does watcher indicate? Vigilance. That's what, that's what eyes indicate. Vigilance, wardens. Another word for a watcher is a guard, a warden. So you've got this depiction of the Mesopotamian depiction of Throne Guardians, which isn't, which is not unique to the Hebrews. This is a Mesopotamian

idea. This is iconographic of Mesopotamian. This is Mesopotamian iconography. Well, they definitely had eyes because they saw those daughters of men. And that's what I'm getting around to. They must have been good-looking, right? Exactly. So what does a watcher do? A watcher is a warden. They're a guard.

Of what? What are they guarding? Well, the throne of God? Okay. Well, why do you need something to guard the throne of God? I mean, you know, anything that tries to approach a throne of God, with the intention of dethroning him is not going to make it very far. You're talking about the creator of the universe. Right. Right. So we have to think in terms of the kingdom. It's not just

about guarding a throne, watcher slash cherubim slash seraphim. This is this is more about guarding the kingdom. These are wardens of the kingdom, princes in the kingdom. They are imbued with authority over their brethren. All right. So now you're now you're expanding into a king. kingdom, I get in trouble when I say this, but I don't care. It's really like an empire. You have, you have the emperor. You can think of the emperor as the son of God as the emperor. And then you've got these other factions, these other provinces that are governed by regents, the princes of the princes, right? That's why Jesus, by the way, the son of God is called the prince of princes. He's the prince of princes. Well, who are the other princes? The other princes are the watchers,

slash cherubim slash seraphene. And their job isn't to just fly around the throne of God with six wings and covered in eyes and say, holy, holy, although that is a depiction of God's holiness. Their job is their princes and wardens of the kingdom. I think they're governors of realms. I think there is a multiplicity, a plurality of realms in the kingdom of heaven. And that the princes are the governors over these realms because we're talking. told in the Bible that there are principalities, right? Well, what is a principality? We mistake a

principality for an entity. A principality is not an entity. A principality is a realm that is ruled by a prince. That's sort of principality. So when we say principality, you know, especially in the charismatic world, most of us think, oh, this is like some kind of an entity, right? Or that has dominion. Not an entity. It's a realm. Yeah. I'm sorry, guys. And you know, I've been, sucking up all the air, take a break here. No, no, no, no. So I want to go back, though, because this, in the terms of what you were talking about before in this galactic battle that happened pre, pre the times of Adam, right, in the context of what we were just talking about and the explanation there, is that the destruction of this planet? Because I haven't really heard

any of that stuff before. Does that have to do with the rebellion in heaven? Is that what we're talking about that galactic battle that? Precisely. Okay. So these are the, the watchers in the sense, are these, as you would say the elder race, that decided that they want to be on the same level as God biblically as we hear. And so they rebelled and there's a physical place this happened, not just in this space.

That may we think about as heaven sometimes. There has to be a physical place. But like a planet you were saying, that's something I had. Well, why not? Why not? So this is a good segue, because now if we can understand the kingdom as a hierarchy, at the top of the hierarchy is the

prince of princess. right? The son of God, the king of heaven, ruling with his father's authority. All right? And under him are other princes. He is the prince of princes. He's also the king of kings and lord of lord. So we got this plurality, right? We have a plurality of realms, principalities, and a plurality of princes who are governed by the supreme prince. The terminology also carries over. to the term sons of God. We have the sons of God, but we also have the preeminent son of God. So it's the same thing, right? The Prince of Princes, also the son of God who is preeminent over all other sons of God. Unique, the only begotten son of God, who is the firstborn,

the first among the other sons. So there's this figurehead. Jesus is who that figure, your head is. Of course, he's not called Jesus yet, but he's the son of God. And you have these princes, these other watchers slash cherubim slash seraphim, these princes, these wardens of the kingdom who are governing other realms. And by the way, they're regents of the prince of princes. They're governing under his authority. He is supreme. Again, in the terms of the divine counsel, he is that he is the head of the council. He is the chief and the king of kings, the Lord of Lords, the Prince of Princes. Okay, so let's set up that hierarchy in our minds. All right, so you have these other princes governing in other realms of the kingdom. And among these princes, there's chief

among these princes, I believe, is this particular prince who the Bible actually never gives him a name. Contrary to popular belief, he's never given a name. And I liken him to, in the Harry Potter series, to Voldemort. Because in the Harry Potter series, this person, Baltimore, nobody ever speaks his name. It's he who shall not be named or something along those lines. The guy whose name, he's so abominable. He's so despicable.

Is that why Prince gave up his name? He's so despicable that his name is not to be mentioned. Right? This is who this figure is. So the Bible calls him, designates him as the dragon. Yeah. And the Satan and the devil. Right. So it's he who should not be named, basically, who we're dealing with. It's this, it's this dastardly character who did something so terrible that his name isn't even permitted to be spoken. That's who this is. His name is not Lucifer, by the way. Now, I'm fine with the Lucifer designation because it's appropriate, but his name is not Lucifer. And this all happened in the war of the universe before? A long time ago. Who knows how long?

Who knows how long? So imagine now there's this character in the hierarchy of the kingdom, he's probably next in line under the Prince of Princess. He's chief among the other princes, right? He's the top guy under the authority of the king of heaven of the son of God. So he is next in line. He's not the brother of Jesus or anything like that. That's not the way he's depicted. He's just a mighty warden of the kingdom.

And this guy defects from the kingdom. That's a big deal. Yeah. So the Bible says that he was the sum of perfect, the signet of perfection, that this guy was basically, he's, aside from the son of God himself, this guy is the most magnificent being in creation. And he defects from the kingdom. And he leads into this defection, into this insurrection, he leads a group of these other wardens with him. And not just, in my estimation, not just these princes who defect. These aren't just these

apostate princes, they're taking their realms with them. Remember, the principalities are governed by princes. Yeah. The principality is. So these princes are defecting with their realms. That's insurrection. So you have a faction of apostate princes who are being led by this chief among them, this chief who the Bible calls the dragon. He's defecting. By the way, I think that there are, the Bible designates seven dragon princes. princes. So you can imagine chief among them is, it's the red dragon of Revelation, right? It's this dragon, this red dragon that has seven heads. So you can imagine the principal head in the middle, this is the dragon. This is the prince who many people designate as Lucifer. But he has six other princes who defect with him and they're subordinate to him. And they all take their

principalities with them into this rebellion. So what you have at this point, if you're following my train of thought here, you have a galactic war on your hands. Yeah. Right? I mean, you have a galactic insurrection. There's this now you have armies of the insurrection fighting with the armies of the kingdom of heaven. And when I talk about war, I'm talking about kinetic war. I'm not talking about just spiritual war or something like that. I'm talking about kinetic war. Those are the terms that the Bible uses. The Bible depicts the son of God marching on the fields of Edom, which by the way, I believe is Mars. Marching, let's say, marching on the field of Edom and he's depicted as this man of war. And he's making war with the dragon. The Bible says, you pierced the dragon. You shattered

Rehab like a clay vessel, like a vessel of clay, and lots of other scriptures, and I point all of these out in the book in Birthright, in the, I think it's the third chapter. And so you have this, what I believe is a very clear depiction of what happened before Adam came on the scene. I think it's important to understand that Adam wasn't created in a vacuum. He wasn't just like, poof, just showed up into this wonderful scenario that was just brand new. Everything came into existence, with him. That's not what happened. Adam, the creation of Adam happened in the procession of time. He came on the scene, but he wasn't the first. He played his role on the stage, but he wasn't the first actor. He wasn't the first scene, so to speak. And I say it much more elegantly in the book.

Tim, you're talking about like the first scene of humanity, right? I mean, that would be where, But human history is in all history. Is that what you're saying? Absolutely not. Oh. Absolutely not. It can't be. Right.

It can't be. The Bible says that the sons of God shouted for joy when the earth was created. So obviously they preexist us, these sons of God. Yeah. We have to infer that they preexist us, right? So how much history is there before Adam? I don't know. But I'm telling you, there's a lot.

There's a lot of history before Adam. Adam had a purpose, all right? This is very important. Adam had a purpose. He wasn't created and then given a purpose. He was created for a purpose. Those are two different concepts. Yeah.

He wasn't just haphazardly created. Hey, let's create a man. Let's create mankind because we're bored or because it wouldn't it be fun? No. Adam was created for a purpose. Something happened that, necessitated the creation of Adam. And Adam was created to do something. And he was created to be a son of God. That's clear. The Bible tells us that. He was created to be a son of God. So I think he was

created as a part of the family, a younger sibling. He was a son of God. And he was created to do something that is analogous. He was created for a purpose analogous to their purpose, the other sons of God, which was to have authority, to be a regent, to be a part of the royal household and to be a regent in the kingdom of heaven. And this is all in the wake of rebellion, war, and utter ruin. Utter ruin. But utter... Sometimes it feels like when you get that phone bill, it's like the crash site document.

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Nothing is whimsical. Everything has a purpose and is created for a purpose. The hierarchy of the kingdom cannot be changed. It's not like elections, you know, and it's, in democracies, it's fixed. And at the top of that hierarchy is the prince of princes, the son of God. So you have then sons of God who are part of the family. That's why they're called sons of God.

And by the way, for those of you who think that this sounds strange, just read the parable of the prodigal son. The parable of the prodigal son is about a family. Is it not? Yeah. It is about a family. family, and it is about a member of this family. Let's talk about that for a second. So I highlight the parable of the prodigal son in the first chapter of my book, and at the end of the chapter. And in

the parable of the prodigal son, you have, basically you have the protagonist who is the younger sibling in the family. So you have the father who apparently has this, it's almost like a royal household. Obviously, it's a rich estate. It's a wealthy estate because there's servants. So you have this wealthy estate, this let's just call it a royal household. You can imagine the father as like this royal figurehead, the patriarch of the family. And then you have two sons, the older son, the elder sibling, and you have the younger son, the younger sibling. And the story revolves around the inheritance of the younger son and him wanting his inheritance that he has a, by the way, the younger son has a co-inherence with the older son, because they're both sons of the father,

and they both have an inheritance in his estate as his sons. Both of these sons have an inheritance. But the younger son decides, give me my inheritance now, ask the father for his inheritance now, so that he can go and squander it, basically. He wants to go live it up. So his father gives him his inheritance, which in the context of the ancient Near East would have been, you know, goats and cattle and whatever, servants, you know, so let's just imagine the son getting his inheritance and then going and selling it so that he can take the money, the gold or whatever, and go and live it up. And that's what he does. He takes his inheritance and he goes out and has a good time and he squanders it. He spends it all. And we all know the story. He ends up,

becoming indentured to a swine herd, an archetype of Satan. And he's indentured to this swine herd, and he's keeping, he's taking care of the pigs, and he's so poor, he's so destitute, he's so depraved at this point, that he's eating the slop of the pigs for his sustenance. So you have this son who was once an heir in the family of God, who is now so, who has, who is who is now living in such a state of squalor.

He's fallen to such a level of depravity that he is now eating with the pigs from their slop. That's a, that's a big fall. Yeah. From being a son in a royal house to eating the slop of pigs. And of course, the prodigal son represents Adam, and by extension it represents us, the offspring of Adam. and he recognizes his depravity. This is the amazing thing about the story. And by the way, this is a depiction. This is a portrait of the gospel.

He recognizes his depravity, and he realizes that even the servants in his father's house have better food to eat are living better than him. And so he decides, and it's important to realize that he recognizes his depravity, all right, because that's called repentance. So he recognizes his depravity, and he recognizes he's indentured to this,

wineherd, eating the slop of pigs, but even the servants in my father's house are living much better than I am. I've squandered my inheritance. I'm not even worthy to be called a son anymore. So instead, I'm going to go back to my father and I'm going to plead with him that he will receive me, not as a son. I don't deserve that anymore. I've squandered my inheritance. Instead, just receive me as a lowly servant. Just bring me back into the family as a servant. I'm just going to be a servant. and he's hoping that his father will receive him back. And of course, he's imagining that his father's going to be extremely angry, displeased with him for having squandered his inheritance.

And so you can imagine he's thinking, man, my father is going to be just livid with me when I get home and he finds out what I've done with my inheritance. And we all know the story. He's on his way back home. And his father is waiting at the door for his prodigal son. and he sees his son coming from afar off in his rags, you know, covered in the filth from being indentured to the swineherd. And what does the father do? He runs out to meet his son. He runs out to meet him to the surprise of the prodigal son, to the shock to find his father, instead of, you know,

fuming with anger, he's brimming with joy, runs out to the prodigal son, embraces him, kisses his neck. And then he calls for a robe, a clean robe and sandals to be, to be, to drape his his prodigal son, the son that's just returned home to to drape him in new clothes and put sandals on his feet. This is a depiction of the righteousness of Christ and the resurrection. And then the son is brought back into the family because look what happens. A ring is put on his finger. So he's clothed with new clothes, sandals on his feet, and a ring is put back, is put on his finger. That's the signet of the father's house. It's the royal signet, the seal of the father's house is put back on the son's finger. He's not being brought into the house as a servant, like he thought.

He's being reinstated as a son, back into the family of God, back into the royal household. And of course, this is the depiction of forgiveness and reconciliation in Christ. And what happens? The father says, he wants to throw a feast for a son. So he tells the servants to kill the fatted calf. And we're going to have a feast. We're going to have music and dancing. But we have this scene in which the older sibling is a little bit ticked off here

because he says to his father, you didn't kill a fatted calf from me. You didn't throw a celebration for me. I've been with you the whole time. I never left you. And yet you're celebrating this younger sibling, my younger brother, who went and squandered his inheritance. And the father's reply is the heart of the gospel. They're celebrating because this son of mine, this lost son, was lost, but is now found.

And so just to finish this thought. So you have this beautiful depiction of the gospel. That's what the prodigal, this parable of the prodigal son is. Now, on a surface level, it also represents Judah and Israel and Judah being brought back in. I mean, Israel being brought back in after having squandered its inheritance and so forth. There's always layers to these. Yeah, that's kind of what I was saying with transdimensional meaning. For sure.

But at the heart of it, we know that the heart of it is about the gospel and it's about Adam. How do we know? because, and by the way, before I go here, so you got the older sibling, who's the older sibling? It's not Adam. Yeah. Not Adam. It's a son of God. It's a son of the father, but it's not Adam.

And this is what I call, again, the elder race. Why do I call them the elder race? Because they're the older sibling. They're not human. I'm not saying they're human. They're not us. We look like them, and we look like them because we're part of the family, by the way. And so fast forward to Jesus, on the eve of the eve of the first.

his crucifixion at the last supper sitting with his disciples. What does he tell them? He tells him that he's going to be going away. And he tells him that, of course, I'm paraphrasing, that he's got to go away. And he's going to go away. He's going to go to his father's house. And he's going to prepare a place for them in his father's house. And he's going to prepare a place for them so that he can come back and get them so that they might be where he is. What are we seeing here? What's happening? The parable of the prodigal son. Jesus is recalling to mind, to his disciples' minds. I don't know if they got it.

They probably got it afterwards. This is the parable of prodigal son. There, the disciples, he's telling him, you're Adam. You're the prodigal son, eating the slop of pigs. But tomorrow, of course he didn't tell him this directly, tomorrow I am going to die on a cross. I'm going to shed my blood to redeem you. I'm going to purchase you back. Purchase them back from who? From the dragon because we're condemned

with the dragon. I'm going to purchase you back with my blood. The Lamb of God purchases men with his blood, purchases men for God with his blood. That's called redemption, buying us back. I'm going to purchase you back and then I'm going to go back to my father's house. That's what happened. He after died on the cross, he rose from the grave. And, now he's seated at the right. He ascended to heaven. He's seated the right of father. He's prepared a place for us in the father's house. I love this, and I'm tracking with you 100%. What happened to the whole, how did it get hijacked to being God's wrath? Because that sounds so much different. What's that? What do you mean? Like the substitutionary atonement idea that like Jesus dies to

satisfy God's wrath when it sounds more like he's grabbing humanity from the devil, the dragon, and dragging it back to himself, there is, you know, if the father is running out to meet the son and kissing him, there is no... That's the disposition of the father towards us. Yes. Those of us who recognize our depravity, like the prodigal son, recognize our depravity. That's called repentance. Totally. And here's the thing. The wrath of God, is on his enemies, and God's wrath is reserved for his enemies, the dragon and his insurgency. Guess what we are when we're born in the curse of Adam. We are his enemies. We are condemned with the dragon. We are enemies of God. We have been divorced and sundered from the family. And because of sin,

not even our sin, the sin of our father, Adam. All of Adam's offspring are condemned with the dragon and his insurgency. That's why Jesus says that hell was created for the devil and his angels. And any one of us who is born into the condition, the falling condition of Adam, we are by default the enemies of God and condemned with the dragon. That's why Christ died to redeem us. He paid the price of our condemnation so that we might be reconciled. And here's a thing. There's the gospel, there's three R's that everybody needs to remember about the gospel. There's redemption. That's what happens at the cross. Jesus, he shed his blood to purchase men for God. He shed his blood to redeem us to pay the penalty of our sin. But that doesn't stop there. The gospel doesn't stop there. He shed his

blood and redeemed us so that we might be reconciled to God. And what is, to the Father, What does reconciliation mean? It means to be brought back into friendship. It is the opposite of enmity. We are at enmity with God until we repent and receive Christ, because through his blood we can be redeemed so that we might be reconciled. Reconciled back to the family of God. Reconciliation is being brought back into fellowship and friendship with God.

but being brought back into the family. So you have redemption. Then we have reconciliation. So we're redeemed that we might be reconciled, that we might be restored to everything that was lost in Adam, completely restored to our, to our original estate in the family of God. Isn't this what we just talked about with the prodigal son? So the prodigal son, when he was brought back into the family, he wasn't just brought back in as a servant. He had the ring put back. on his finger, that signet ring. And he's brought back into the family and he is completely restored to everything that he lost back in the family of God. That is the gospel of Christ. And there is nothing more exciting, nothing more, there's no greater story than that. I mean, it's absolutely incredible. And so many

of us have lost the story of the gospel. But this is what's happening and what's going to happen to those who believe in Christ. And it's, again, it is depicted beautifully in the parable of the prodigal son. And I can't remember what the question was. Tim, well, I think, so back to Adam then, the purpose of Adam, it wasn't, it was to rule, but it was the purpose of Adam also to, because the Genesis 315 says, the see, the woman will crush the head of the serpent, was, was our creation then the God's plan to, for finally destroy and destroyed the dragon. It was because it was through it was part of it.

It was through the human line that we have Jesus. I mean, that's why genealogy is so important. We talked about this in the show. You have to show that it hasn't been marred genetically by, you know, by the watchers, by the, you know, by the Nephilim and all that. What is the purpose of Adam then? What is the purpose of our race being?

The purpose of Adam is twofold. Adam was created to be a son in the family of God. So the number one purpose for Adam is fellowship in the family of God. It's the number one purpose. He's an ear in the family of God. He was created to be in the family of God fellowship. Now, I'm not saying that we're gods and none of that garbage.

He was created to be a son of God. I'm just saying what the Bible says. If you look at the genealogy of Jesus, what does it say? That Jesus was the son of Joseph, was the son of so-and-so, all the way back through the patriarchs in the pre-flood world, all the way to the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son, of God. Adam was a son of God. He was created to be a son of God. He was in the family. So his number one purpose of mankind, and this is a wondrous thing, the number one purpose of mankind is

fellowship in the family of God. Adam was a friend of God. He walked in the cool of the day with his maker. He was in the family. But then the secondary purpose, which the two are really connected, was Adam was created to be a regent of planet Earth. He was created to govern the Earth. And so those are the two reasons why Adam was created. Again, there was a purpose. And then Adam was created to fulfill that purpose. And all of this has to be understood in what transpired before Adam.

Because you have Genesis where the Elohim are saying, let us make man in our own image and in our likeness. And why are they doing this? Why are they creating men? Because man has a purpose. They need a regent. Because the earth is being restored. It's being renewed in the aftermath of judgment, in the aftermath of cataclysm.

The earth is being renewed. This realm is being re-inoguated. And so it needs a new regent. And this is in the wake of rebellion. And so a new sibling is created. created in the family of God to have dominion of the earth. And that is Adam. So this sounds like there's multiple rebellions, right? You know, there's a rebellion before we get here, then we're here, and then we rebel. And then we rebel. But how does the snake, the serpent, it kind of tricks us,

kind of gets into our space, into our realm. So I think he's here already. And it's my opinion that we know that there's many verses that talk about this being and his and his cohorts being thrown down to the earth, cast down to the earth. So I believe, and people can argue this, and there's different positions on this, but I'm of the persuasion that the dragon, once he was banquished in this cosmic war, this galactic war, he was cast down to the earth and imprisoned in the earth. And I think that's part of the reason why the earth was covered in water, by the way, completely. And so I was talking to Derek Gilbert the other day about this, and I know he and Sharon shared the same view, that there's this entity imprisoned here in the earth before Adam was created. And then once the earth was renewed and the

waters subsided and so forth, that entity was released, the dragon. And it's my opinion, and I believe the scriptures support this, buttress this, that Adam was given dominion of everything on the earth or in the earth. He was the regent. The highest authority on earth was Adam, imbued with this authority by God. That's what he was created to do, to be a regent, Adam and Eve together.

And that would include everybody and everything that's on the earth, including the dragon and his insurgent, forces, including Sasquatch or whatever kind of entities were here before Adam, that maybe were surviving somehow in the earth. By the way, the Sasquatch, I think has black eyes, which is indicative of dwelling under the ground. So that's the thing. They do. So, so, so, there's this scenario in which, and this is kind of, you know, this is not outside of the bounds of the scriptures. This is very much inside of the parameters of the scriptures here, what I'm saying. And so Adam is created on the earth and he's given dominion. That is not a

light thing. That is not something that we should lightly pass over. That's something that we need to pause and really consider what does that mean. God is giving the title deed of planet Earth to this newly created younger sibling in the family, Adam. And that title deed is the is dominion of the earth. And this is why Adam is created in his likeness. So I think, Tim, I think it's a fascinating segue. Because I know a lot of what you talk about on Birthright, and we've watched a few of your interviews, has to do with the post-Adam world. And that being the next thing. And we're very much treading in that space where these things technologically are now possible. Before we talk about, you know, chimera and all these different

things happening as a result of the incursion. And there being, you know, the sons of God tell the daughters of men. And then the Nephlin were created. And there's these chimerical creatures where sort of genetic experiments. Now in a space where humanity has the ability to alter and change human genome and genetically essentially, technology breed out our humanity for lack of a better term. Nate and I talked about this is such a great interview for us because it bookends the things we've talked about, which is the middle.

we're talking about before the Andaluvian times. And now here, when we talked about biblical prophecy in our last episode, here we're in a space now, we're talking about what's, now what's ahead? If Adam was given dominion, he's the regent here, and we've been bestowed by God to be the regents of this planet and of Earth, then the enemy, the dragon, these different things would be, their purpose then would be to usurp our regency, correct? And the way they do that is to remove our humanity. Yes. So that's why it's important to understand dominion. There is this notion, and it is a false notion. It is not a biblical notion. It's not a biblical principle that Adam lost his dominion at the fall. There is not a single verse in the Bible that you can point to that that will support that theory, that position. He did not lose his dominion at the fall. In fact, the dominion of mankind is reiterated to Noah after the flood, and there's a reason why that, why it was reiterated to Noah. Remember that the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable, according to Paul. Adam was bestowed. He was gifted with dominion of the earth, with the deed of the earth.

So that's very important to recognize. And the birthright, that's why my book is called birthright. The birthright of Adam is dominion of the earth. That's what that means. That's what the birthright is. Our birthright, as his offspring, is dominion of the earth. God enforces our dominion on earth. The armies of the kingdom enforce our dominion. And we are the authorities on earth. That's why Peter references us judging angels. Well, there's been a lot of speculation around, you know, men are going to be greater than angels because we're going to judge them. No, that's not what that's saying. It's not what that's saying. We are going, we as the regents of the earth, who have been given authority on earth, endowed with this authority by God.

We have the right to judge that those who transgress in our realm, be they men or be they angels. So anyone who breaks the laws in the terrestrial realm answers to the regents of the earth. We are the regions of the earth. And so that is why men are going to judge angels. And what angels did that? What angels are we going to judge? The watchers. The watchers who interloped into our realm transgressed here on the earth. They are the angels who we are going to judge because we are the regions of earth. It is our responsibility to judge them. And of course, that's not going to happen until later. It's not something that's going to happen now. Those watchers are awaiting their sentencing actually right now. They're awaiting the, really the, are they going to be released on the earth again in the end? I don't see any indication that those particular watchers are going to be released. Okay. They have been condemned. They have been judged. Okay. Until the end of the age,

where then they're going to be then. So it's kind of like, it's, think of it in these terms. You go to jail when you break the law, but then you get sentenced to prison, right? Right. Right. So you can of it in these terms that watchers are in jail but they're going to be sentenced to prison and they're awaiting their sentencing but this is all very familiar to us because if if we all go down to let's say if we all go to iran and we break the law in iran we we we break some obscure law that has to do with their their Islamic traditions right even if we don't know that we broke the law even if we weren't aware that it was that we were breaking the law which which happens quite often. We will be subject to the authority of the Iranian regime, to their jurisdiction.

We are in their jurisdiction, and we will be subject to their laws and the penalties of their laws. Even though we're American citizens and the law that we break in Iran is, it's not an infraction of the law in the United States. So we can do it. We haven't committed a crime in relationship to the law. laws of the United States, but we did commit a crime in relationship as it pertains to the laws of Iran. Therefore, we're not going to be sent back to the United States to be judged and sentenced. We're going to be sentenced in Iran by the Iranian authorities because we broke their laws within their jurisdiction. The same thing applies on earth. This is our jurisdiction. and do not think for a moment that we've lost dominion of the earth, we have not.

Now, we've abdicated authority. That's a different principle. We probably don't have time to talk about. We've abdicated authority to the dragon, but we have not lost our dominion yet. And so in the same way that if we break the law in Iran and we're subject to the Iranian authorities, we're within their jurisdiction, so we have to pay the penalty, whatever the penalty prescribed by breaking their law, regardless of who we are, you know, regardless of the fact that we're American citizens, we pay the penalty according to their laws. Same applies. So this is a familiar notion to us.

This is not something that's foreign to our thinking. So now if we fast forward to talk about this idea of the post-human paradigm, all of this is extremely important to understanding the consequences of a post-human paradigm. So let me just, if I can, I'd like to just read a paragraph here for my book. Absolutely. And I write this at the end of the fourth chapter. I'm talking about dominion of the earth. I say that dominion of the earth does not belong to one religious factor or another,

but to the whole of mankind. I'm making a point about this in the previous paragraphs from the book. The Christian has no more claim to the throne than the heathen and the righteous no more than the wicked. It belongs to all of Adam's descendants, good, bad, or indifferent. the corporate consignment is proclaimed in the Psalms. The heavens are the Lord's heavens, but the earth he has given to the sons of men.

Now that's critical for people to understand, because all of the people who say we lost our dominion at the fall have to deal with this Psalm. The heavens are the Lord's heavens, but the earth he has given to the sons of men. through Adam. And then I write, the birthright of Adam is not merited, but inherited through his genome. The seal of man's authorities, the image he bears. As long as men remain human, they retain dominion of planet Earth. So as long as we remain human, retain dominion of the earth. And the

reason for that is because our authority is contingent on the image we bear. The image is the seal of our authority. And that image is inherited through Adam, through the genome of Adam. So if we give up our authority by changing our DNA, by changing our humanity. We lose our dominion. Yeah. We lose our dominion. The dragon knows that.

Oh, absolutely. This is the ploy of post-humanism. This is the trap. This is the pitfall of post-humanism that he's laid for us. Because a birthright cannot, even though I talk about, you know, steal a birthright with a bowl of soup, but in reality, in reality, referencing the Jacob and Esau, in reality, you cannot steal the birthright of mankind. You can't steal it from us because this authority, this birthright, this deed of the earth, has been endowed to us. And who defends our right to rule on earth? God does. The army is. of the kingdom defend our right to rule. So you can't steal our birthright away. You can't

take it by force. But you can usurp it. You surp it. You serve it. I wrote a little song to remind you. Choice Hotels gets you more of the experiences you value. The can be a hotels

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And I don't know that people will know exactly the dynamics that are taking place. But when we become post-human and we evolve ourselves out of Adam, literally out of Adam, then we lose the authority that is invested in the image we bear as sons of God. because therein lies the authority. And I go to great lengths to explain this in my book, and I talk about seals, because what we have is a seal. We're sealed with the image of God.

And that's why, I mean, in the image of God, it's the likeness. It's the likeness of the sons of God and of the son of God, the preeminent son. And that's why we look the way we do. And that's why the angels, the quote-unquote angels look like us. Actually, we look like them. And that's why the devil, the dragon,

this being that everybody calls Lucifer, doesn't look like this grotesque beings, being with horns and wings. And, you know, he doesn't look like that. He looks like us. And he is probably six and a half feet tall with golden hair, with a golden hair, bright blue eyes and fair skin.

and because he was part of the family. He is a son. Now, he's a defected son. He's a fallen son, just like we are. When we're born into the human condition with the sin of Adam, we're also fallen sons and divorced from the family. So in a sense, we're no longer sons in that we don't have an inheritance with God because of Adam's sin, and that's what gets restored to us in Christ.

So I'm not saying that the devil is a son in good standing with God. He's been divorced from the family of God. He's been sundered from the family of God. He's an outcast. He's a rebel. He's an insurgent. He's an enemy of God. So just to recap, he's cast out of the heavenly realm, and he's imprisoned here.

And then his plan is to try to get trick us into a post-human state so then he can fully, finally, control this realm. So he wants to be the head of this realm, and he has to trick humanity in order to achieve that. I say in my book that, remember I said that the hierarchy of the kingdom, it's not whimsical. It's a very rigid hierarchy. The kingdom of heaven is, and the universe is, it's a kingdom of laws. The universe is built on laws. And those laws cannot be broken.

God enforces the order in his kingdom. God is not a god of chaos but of order. And that's why the dragon is often associated with chaos. So because mankind has dominion on the earth, only human beings have the right to rule. Yes. Now, there's a caveat here. It's called a hybrid. That happened. It's going to happen again. And that's why it happened, by the way. And I go through that my book. The Watchers had a plan. The watchers wanted to usurp the dominion of mankind on earth. They couldn't take it by force.

Why? Why couldn't they take it by force? Because the kingdom of heaven, the armies of the kingdom, Michael and the armies of the kingdom would show up and kick their butts. That's why they couldn't take it by force. Greater are those who are with us than those who are against us. The kingdom of heaven is much mightier than the dragon's insurgency. So the dragon can't go around doing whatever he wants.

He has to play the game by the rules. So the watchers. when they, you know, we don't have to go down this path, but briefly, the Watchers had a plan. It wasn't just some, it wasn't haphazard what they did. They had a plan, and their plan was to usurp the dominion of Adam on Earth, not take it by force themselves, but produce offspring that were human enough to inherit it and to claim it. And that's what they did through their hybrid offspring, their half-reed sons. So fast forward to the end of the age.

This is what the dragon's going to do. The dragon does not have the authority to usurp Adam's throne, but his son will. And his son is permitted, and I say his son, because I believe, I strongly believe that this figure that we call the Antichrist is literally going to be the son of the dragon. He is going to be a hybrid, half-breed son. His father will be the dragon. his mother will be a human woman. And I explain why I believe that in the book. It's the counterfeit gospel, right?

It's the... It's the inversion of the gospel of Christ. Are we seeing that now in theology? You mean, are we seeing it unfold now? It feels like there's the progressive Christians and there's just this hatred. Like, I've seen a lot of Christians anti-Trump, and there's a lot of Christians who are pro-Trump,

and it just seems like there's this. these two theologians like two versions of of Christianity at war well yeah but you know where we are now and I know a lot of people don't like me saying this but where we are now is nothing compared to where we're going because I believe at the end of the age there's scarcely going to be a human being left on planet earth because we are headed for a post human paradigm and why are we headed for a post human paradigm you hit it you hit it the nail on the head because Because by becoming, by evolving out of Adam, by becoming non-human, we forfeit dominion of the earth. And when that happens, I mean, all hell is going to break loose when that happens.

Because those who enforce our dominion are no longer going to enforce our dominion. Once we lose it, they're going to withdraw. I believe that's who the restrainer is, by the way, in Second Thessalonians. I believe that the restrainer is Michael. and the armies of heaven who are restraining the dragon. And they're restraining the dragon for us. They're enforcing our authority and our dominion on earth. And when we forfeit that authority, when we lose it,

when we lose dominion of the earth, they don't have any reason to enforce it anymore. But it's not just about us losing our dominion. It's about somebody else claiming it. Somebody else, a legal claimant to the throne of Adam has to be produced, to usurp, usurpation, means you don't just dethrone somebody, kill the king and take him off the throne. You occupy his throne instead of him. That's usurpation. You take the throne for yourself. That's what usurpation is.

And that's what's coming. And who's going to usurp the throne of Adam? The throne, by the way, that belongs to the son of God, the son of man. Who's going to usurp that throne? The son of the dragon. He's going to declare himself to be the son of God. And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, you surp the throne that belongs to the son of man. Tim, how do you see this playing out? I know, is it like the Elon Musk thing where they're putting chips in people's brains? Is this the genetic modification? Is it the hacking of the genome?

I mean, how do you see personally, in your opinion, is this playing out? All of the above. But understand that this is going to take time. We are on the path to post-humanism, but there's quite a long way to go before we become post-human. I mean, we're not talking about minor alterations to human biology. We're talking about a transformation that is so drastic that we are no longer human beings. Now, where is the line of delineation between human and non-human?

I don't know. But we have genetic markers that make us human. And once we lose those genetic markers, we're no longer human beings. And I think it's going to be a combination of things. it's going to involve what's what's called the grin technologies, genetics, robotics, artificial intelligence, and what's the last one, and nanotechnology. So it's going to involve these emerging technologies. But at the end of the day, that's going to, and remember, this has to be voluntary. We have to use our technology and willfully, consciously evolve ourselves out of Adam. It has to be our choice. Again, the Game of Thrones has rules. and we have to do this on our own. Now, we're being helped, we're being encouraged, we're being tempted by the dragon and his insurgency, so we're being led down this path of post-humanism. But we have to take the steps. We have to build the mechanism of our own destruction.

And that's exactly what we're doing right now. And so I believe we're going to be going down this path and that when we get so far down this path, it's going to trigger some events. And I think that the final transformation out of Adam is going to involve the genetic markers of the beast of Apollo, the son of the dragon. And I explain why I believe that is, because we're headed for a scenario which population geneticists call era catastrophe. It's something that hardly anybody talks about, which is our genome is going to become inviolienticenticists. at some point in the future. Why? Because we are really crappy versions of Adam. Every time you copy us, just like anything else, we get worse and worse and worse. And so we are degenerating. Our genome is degenerating. And the only reason we don't realize it, although we actually do, I mean, we've got

something called the cancer epidemic, but one of the reasons it's not apparent to us is because we have a technological prop. We have this facade of fitness because of our technological. props. But if you were to kick out medical science, you were to kick out our medical technologies out from under us, just like kicking someone's crutch out from under them, we would very quickly realize how dire our situation is. We are so degenerate. We are mutants. And that's exactly what we are, because our genome is mutating. That's what cancer is. Cancer is a mutation in a gene. That's what cancer is. Causes your biology to dysfunction, to become dysfunctional because your genes, the information in your genome gets corrupted. And that happens as a result of degeneration, corruption, degradation.

We are decaying. Our genome is decaying over time. We're going to need an infusion of fresh genetic material at some point in the future. And I believe that that infusion is going to come from literally the son of the dragon, his genetic marker. So what do I think that the mark of the beast is? The genetic markers of the dragon and of the son. I'm sorry, of the dragon's son, the son of Apollo. Again, it's the inversion of the gospel. The blood of the dragon's son, so to speak, will be offered for the salvation of the world. Yeah. It is an inversion. It's the great counterfeit. Yes. And before this happens, I believe we're going to be facing another. So we're facing error catastrophe in the future

in terms of our genome. But we're also going to be facing a host. hostile takeover from an alien faction who is trying to acquisition the earth. And those are the grace. And I get into the alien question and the gray aliens and I tackle this, this hot button issue among Christians, which is our aliens demons. My answer is emphatically no, by the way. And what is unfolding with this, the UFO phenomenon and where it's going. I believe it's, we're headed for, we're being confronted with the threat, the likes of which we've never seen, and we are powerless to defend ourselves against. We are going to need help in fighting and defeating these foes, who are, by the way,

even now, who are becoming us to some extent. There's a breeding program, and they are walking among us, advanced alien hybrids. David Jacobs called them hubrids that are part gray alien, part, actually they're probably part insectilin, part and part human, but they're advanced hybrids and they look so much like us that we cannot distinguish them. And I'm telling you, they're already walking among us. They retain the powerful telepathic capabilities of the grays. But for all intents and purposes, they're human. They look like us. And they are. Is this the breeding programs when they like abduct people? This is the abduction program. It is, and it's happening. It's real. It's not a spiritual phenomenon. It is in every way a corporeal physical phenomenon. And they're creating hybrids have been since the turn of the centuries, since the turn of the 20th century. And so over 100 years, they've been running this program on Earth, creating hybrids. And I believe that they're the, no, I don't know. I offer three alternatives as to what their relationship.

what the dragon is and how this fits into the grander narrative of what of Satan's own machinations are and you have to read the book to get those because they're pretty complex. But the fact is that the abduction program is happening. It is the biggest thing, the biggest deal on earth. It's happening. People are being abducted. Millions of people around the earth and are being subjected to a what we call the breeding program, which that's exactly what it is. It is a breeding program. Is this like the missing 411 people? They're going, just disappearing out of our national parks. Is that how...

I'm not sure. I don't think so. This is the abduction phenomenon. Why don't we have thousands of thousands of people who are missing every year in the United States? I would say that

that's probably got to do with something our government is doing. But the abduction program, and people, there's people who believe that the abduction program is being run by the deep state and that the aliens,

that the gray aliens, the little gray aliens are, that the whole thing is like somehow a ploy, a ruse perpetrated on the American people. Believe me, that's not the case. Is this Trump's Space Force? Is that what this is going against? I don't know if the Space Force, if part of the Space Force's

commission is to counteract the abduction program and try and, and try and repel what the Grays are doing. I don't know. I'm not sure that the President even knows about the grace. I don't even know that he has a clearance to know. Where are they coming from? If it's not something spiritual, like demonic per se like you contend where are these well let's let's define let's let's make a distinction here if you if what you mean by demonic is nefarious and evil then I agree yes it is demonic if what you mean by demonic is are these demons then my answer is no emphatically no they're not demons and I and I make the case why they're not demons and you know demons are very specific thing demons aren't just whatever kind of evil creatures we

can just categorize them as demons. No, demons are the disembodied spirits of the giants from the antediluvian world. And that's all they are. They're nothing more than that. That's what they are. It's a very narrow definition, what a demon is. And so are these, are the grays somehow related to the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim of the giants? My answer is no. And again, I have very logical reason for saying no. So no, aliens are not demons. So what are they? Well, I think the easiest, the simplest explanation is they are aliens. Because alien, and I spend the first chapter of my book, I define two terms that are important, very important terms, alien and extraterrestrial, actually the other way around, extraterrestrial and alien. Extraterrestrial

means something that has its origin off earth other than Earth. So if you're an entity who's provenance is not planet earth, you are by definition and extraterrestrial. Whether people like it or not. It's just what it means. And can, does the Bible identify anything, any entities whose origin, whose provenance is not planet earth? We all know the answer. Yes, of course it does. The angels of heaven, the sons of God. If they shouted for joy when the earth was created, they certainly weren't created on the earth like we were. We were. We were. We were. were specifically explicitly created from the substance of the earth. We are terrestrial. They are not. So we know that extraterrestrials exist, if you believe in the biblical narrative.

Whether you know it or not, you believe in extraterrestrials. That's it. I mean, there's, there's, there's no argument there. So then, then I define the word, the term alien. What is an alien? Well, alien's a little bit more complicated, the definition of alien, because alien doesn't necessarily mean extraterrestrial. Alien is anything that's not human. Let's narrow that definition because we wouldn't call a monkey an alien. So we're talking about a conscious being,

a sentient entity that has at least the same kind of sentience as we do, same level of sentience as the human species. So if we encounter a sentient entity that is not us, it is by definition alien to us. So, and again, this is a, this is defining this term in the context of sentient beings that are not human, because, you know, we have a term illegal alien that means any, anybody that's not by birth, an American, right? Anybody that's not by birth, a citizen in the United States is an alien. And if they cross, and if they cross the border, illegally, illegally there, therefore an illegal alien. So in the same way, any sentient entity that is not by birth, by provenance, by origin, a human being, by nature, a human being, it is therefore alien to us. That does not mean that it's an extraterrestrial. That just means that it's not us. I mean, we talked about the Bigfoot. The Bigfoot is alien to us.

But it's my position that the Bigfoot is indigenous to the earth. So here's an entity that could be sentient, not to the degree that. we are, but perhaps enough to be comparable to us, that is maybe indigenous to the earth, but is not us. So, therefore, this being is a terrestrial alien, because it's not us. It's not extraterrestrial, right? But it's from the earth, right? So that would, that you, you could, you could define a Sasquatch as a terrestrial alien. So, or something that's living in the inner earth that's not human, but has a degree of sentience comparable to ours. that would be an alien race, a terrestrial alien race, right? So it's important to define terms. So the grays, the gray aliens, which absolutely exist, 1,000% are real, believe me. So the grays, what are they?

Well, we know they're aliens. They're not us. The question is, are they extraterrestrial? I don't know for sure, but my guess is that, yes, they are extraterrestrial. They're not from the earth. Where are they from. Maybe they're from the interior of Mars. In fact, I think there's probably a good argument to be made that they're from the interior of Mars. I think they're from the interior of somewhere because they have big black eyes. You know, again, like the Sasquatch, black eyes is usually indicative of creatures that operate in the dark. So unless they have, unless their black eyes are, you know, some kind of like shades, shields over their organic eyes. That's another conversation. I think my question is, is like, what, what, what is your response to that?

What is our reaction to this? I mean, a lot of people just hear this stuff and they just get anxiety. And they just get freaked out. And they can't even know it. And they just shut down. I think a lot of people can't even handle any time they, a lot of people can't handle any end times prophecy. They can't handle aliens.

They can't handle, they can't even handle talk about Sasquatch, let alone. But I think some of this stuff is just, it pushes you to this level of like, if these grays are here. Do we still have authority over them? Absolutely. So like we just, okay. Until we don't. Yeah. So we can tell them. Now, now here's a thing, though, okay, if you, you got to get, this, this, this takes us down and, you know, people can go down this rabbit trail on their own, but, you know, you got to dig pretty deep into euphology to start to understand some, some of what's going on. And the good euphology, not the bad, there's a lot of bad euphology out there. Yeah. And specifically, as it pertains to the abduction phenomenon, there's a lot of

unimpeachable scientific evidence that validates the abduction phenomenon. Evidence compiled by people like the late John Mack, Dr. John Mack, the Harvard psychiatrist, celebrated Harvard psychiatrist, guys like Dr. David Jacobs, who was a historian at Temple University. People like Carla Turner, Dr. Carla Turner, who had a university-level English teacher. You know, people like this, lettered individuals who are highly educated, who approach the abduction phenomenon from an evidence-based scientific method approach, whose work is unimpeachable and conclusive. conclusive. The abduction phenomenon is real. It's physical. It's not psychological. It's not supernatural. Are there elements, quote unquote, supernatural elements enveloped in it, potentially, but it is certainly physical. And it is absolutely 100% a fact of life,

the existence of gray aliens and the abduction phenomenon. And I say that with all confidence, because I've read their material, again, unimpeachable, scientific, evaluation of the abduction phenomenon. And I would throw Bud Hopkins in there as well, who kind of kicked a lot of this off. Yeah. So very highly educated people, very practical, pragmatic thinkers. So you got to start there. You got to start with the evidence in the good research, especially in the realm of the abduction phenomenon. And then you've got to work your way forward from there. So is it possible that this is jumping way forward? in abduction lore, in uphology and euphological lore.

But is it possible that elements of not only our government, but governments all over the world have made a Faustian bargain with the gray aliens? Is that possible? That we have exchanged, we've made a bargain with the grays. By the way, this is part of euphology, of the euphological lore, that we've bargained with the grays. we were given technology and we gave them something in return, permission to do something, specifically to conduct their abduction program. And I believe that the answer to that is yes.

So I address this in the book, and this requires people to familiarize themselves with the good elements of uphology and to familiarize themselves with the stories related to this potential bargain, that elements of our military. and other militaries around the world have struck with the graves. We get technology. So what do they get? We authorize them. We've authorized the grace to do things. And so they're operating under with our authorization to some extent. And so we've abdicated authority and we've, and we've indeed authorized them to do some of what they're doing. So go ahead. I was going to say, is there going to be, is there going to become a point? This makes me think of like,

some humans haven't given their authority over yet, and some humans have given up their authority, and there's a war between the humans that haven't converted themselves and the humans that have. Well, again, there's a difference between authority and dominion. Authority is, authority can be abdicated. And how does that happen? It happens through idolatry. And that's why idolatry is such an abomination and why it's so dangerous. and I go to great lengths in my book to explain this concept. So, you know, let's think about a scenario in the Bible, a famous scenario,

in which a scene in which Jesus is being tempted by the devil in the wilderness of the desert. And remember that the devil shows Jesus all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. Do you remember that? Yeah. And he offers Jesus the kingdoms of the world. By the way, what is Jesus seeing? What is he showing Jesus? He's not just showing him random kingdoms and glory.

Not all kingdoms of the earth had glory. You know, like he's not just showing him like the, you know, the Celtic tribes way up in the, you know, up in Germany or up in, up in Ireland or the Germanic tribes up in northern Europe. He's showing them, he's showing Jesus the Roman Empire. That's what he's showing him. The Roman Empire, which govern the known world. Remember that Jesus, when Jesus was born, you're talking about the height of the Roman Empire.

Caesar Augustus, this is the height of Roman power. Yeah. All right. So that's what Jesus, that's what the devil, the dragon, is showing Jesus. And what does he say to him? He said, all these have been, and the authority thereof has been given to me. And I give it to whomever I please. and then he offers Jesus, I'll give it to you if you bow your knee and worship me, right?

Question, who gave the devil the authority over the nations? If we just read in the Psalms that the heavens, even the heavens are the Lord's, but the earth he has given to the sons of men, who gave the devil authority over the nations? God did not. We did. There is no case to be made. that no biblical case to be made that God did. So who did? Who gave him his authority? We did. Men gave him the authority. And I can prove it. How do we know that the Roman Empire gave Satan,

the dragon, authority in their realm? Did not give him dominion, because if he had the dominion, he would be sitting on the throne of Caesar, physically occupying Caesar's throne, and he was not. Caesar Augustus was occupying the throne. The Roman Empire was not ruled by Satan. It was ruled by Caesar. It was ruled by a human being, as have all empires been ruled by human beings. Okay?

So where did the devil get his authority? How did he get it? Who was the patron deity of Rome? The Roman state, the Roman city, and the Roman Empire. Caesar. It wasn't they worship Caesar. Well, Caesar was the Caesar was, imbued with the authority of the patron deity.

The patron deity of the Roman Empire and of Rome itself was Jupiter. Jupiter was the patron deity of Rome. Jupiter is an aspect of Zeus. Who was the patron deity of the Greek city states? Zeus was the patron deity of Greece. So at the time of Christ, when Satan is offering Jesus the authority, of the nations, the Roman Empire that ruled the world, including Judea, including Israel, that governed the known world, was worshipping, openly worshipping Jupiter, i.e. Satan.

So idolatry, it was through idolatry that Satan got his authority. mankind, the Roman Empire, and the Greeks did the same with Zeus, through idolatry, when we willfully worship the dragon and his princes, we abdicate a degree of our authority to them, and we authorize them to have influence in our realm. Is this happening today? Yes. It is, but not to the same extent. You know, there's a lot of people talking about how some of this stuff was happening on Epstein's Island and a lot of since John F. Kennedy was assassinated. Right. And the Bohemian Grove and all these different things where there's supposedly these satanic ceremonies of the elite go through. I mean, is that is that a something happened.

What happened after, just think back in history now, before Christ, okay, BC, the world was governed by the Roman Empire. And before that, the Greeks and before that, you know, down the line, the Egyptians and so forth. all of those BC empires worshipped particular gods they were all extremely idolatrous why is idolatry so dangerous it's an abomination to god because it's treason against the kingdom of heaven who gave man authority on earth yahway so it is treasonous to worship other gods and to abdicate your authority to them. It's treason against the kingdom of heaven. That's what idolatry is. And by the way, idolatry is not, you know, loving movies too much or being infatuated with the NFL or something like that. That's not idolatry. We diminish the abomination of idolatry when we make idolatry

everything that you're infatuated with. That's not idolatry. Idolatry is worshiping someone else other than Yahweh. That's idolatry. That and only that. Worshiping another power other than Yahweh and his son, by the way. So God and the son of God, the two powers in heaven, are the only people, entities, not people, entities that we should be worshipping. Anytime mankind worships another deity, worships another power, he is committing idolatry. And that is all that idolatry is. And that's it. And the reason why it's so dangerous is because when we, as the regents of the earth, imbued with the authority from heaven, worship Jupiter, for example, and we bow to Jupiter and we're beseeching the oracles of Jupiter to help us govern our

our realm and to influence the governance of our realm, we are abdicating our authority to who Jupiter represents. Jupiter represented Satan. And so that gives the enemies of God legal authority to have influence in our realm because we're the regents and we are abdicating our authority and we can abdicate our authority. It's our authority. That's why the devil said it was given to me. and I can give it to whom I please in the same way that it was given to him. So say we have a president who prays and we had a previous president

who was praying to one of these gods, just the dominion switch? This is what I was, I got long-winded there, but I was trying to work my way back around to the question that I was about to pose. Do you remember what happened? So BC, you have massive idolatry

going on in the earth, right? So human beings are advocating their authority to not just the dragon, but his insurgency all over the earth, right? Abdicating authority, worshipping, committing idolatry on a mass scale, giving the devil and his insurgency lots of influence in our domain, okay? Then what happened? Christianity happened. And after Christ, you had a situation in which the church began to, spread and nations were now relinquishing their idolatrous ways. Of course, this took time in the beginning Christians were being burned at the stake and so forth and fed to the lions. But eventually you get to a point in which, a point in time in which the grip of idolatry begins to loosen. And you come into the Christian age. And in the Christian age, now, I'm no fan of the Catholic Church.

Okay. I'm not, believe me, I'm no fan of the Pope of Rome. Yeah. And I think that to, that the devil co-opted the church through Rome, by the way. And that's a whole other, that's a whole other book, okay? But the fact remains that you had a massive decrease in overt idolatry in the first century, after, in the second century AD, okay? So, and it's, and so you have a, a change from, from, from this massive idolatry to an environment in which, uh, it's decreasing rapidly. So the Christian age comes and kind of to some degree really changes the game in terms of idolatry.

Now, you can make the case that the Catholics were kind of just co-opted in which they did, co-opted, the Church of Rome began to co-op. So here's the devil enticing the church back into idolatry through the co-opting of these pagan religions and just renaming them and so forth and the saints and the angels and so forth, that the Church of Rome began to enter back into a form of idolatry. So you can make that case. But let's be clear. There is a definite distinction between the idolatry of the ancient world that was openly

worshipping these gods collectively, not just the leaders or secret societies, but society as a whole is collectively worshipping Jupiter, worshiping Zeus and all the other pantheon of gods and all the other gods in the pantheon and sacrificing to them and paying obeisance to them. That is not the same as secularism. That's not the same as what we have today. It's a different dynamic, completely, completely different dynamic. You do not abdicate authority to the dragon accidentally or unintentionally. It is a willful transaction. You willfully worship another God.

And again, we're not talking about worshipping golf or something like that. That's not idolatry. That's something else. That's not idolatry. Idolatry is exalting, worshipping, extolling another God instead of Yahweh. Okay. That's idolatry. And so...

And people who, like, get abducted, though, It's complicated, right? Like I've listened to a lot of guys say that when they start to pray in the name of Jesus, the abductions stop. And some of these things go away. I've heard many guys talk about that, like L.A. Marzuli types. Listen to a lot of him talk about that. Well, this is a controversial subject. Here's the deal with abductions.

Most abductees, and Bud Hopkins discovered this, I think, back in the 70s or the 80s, Most abductees only recall the beginning and the end of an abduction episode, the moment they are lifted off their bed and the moment they are returned to it. The interim, what happens in between those two points of time is those memories are sequestered behind a screen memory, a false memory. And so the only way most abductees can remember, have a full remembrance of what happened during an abduction episode is to break through that screen to circumvent the screen memory somehow. Sometimes it happens naturally and sometimes it takes, you know, it takes some intensive procedures to break through those screen memories. All abductees have screen memories. They are not supposed to remember the abduction episode. again most abductees can only consciously recall the beginning and the end and then as but hopkins said they glue the beginning and in the end together into a false recollection of what happened so what am i saying i'm saying that that a lot of people who believe that they are interrupting their abduction episode are not they're in fact remembering being lifted off their bed and then being

put back down onto their bed. But the interim, the actual abduction procedure still occurred. Now, I talk a lot about this in my book. I am not saying that you should not, if you're a believer in Christ, that you should not rebuke if you're being abducted by gray aliens, that you shouldn't rebuke them. I would. And I think every, and I think every believer would naturally, instinctively begin to rebuke these entities. But we must understand that invoking the name of Jesus is not a magic wand. It's not Harry Potter Christianity. There is no expeleamos.

You know, you can't wave a wand because you're a Christian and have some kind of a power to automatically repel a hostile force. We all know this is true in the same way that the Yazza'i's. Yazidi Christians in Iraq or Afghanistan, wherever they were, were the victims of ISIS who would break into their homes. And if you were a woman, you would, you know, you'd watch either your husband or your father be executed before your eyes by ISIS. And then you would be taken into captivity, marched to the slave market and sold as a slave. whether or not you were a Christian. Many Christians are subjected around the world to sex trafficking.

They are forcefully abducted from their homes or from their cars, and they are taken against their will. And many of these people are strong Christians. There's a lot of testimonies out there like this, taken from their home or their car, and subjected to a life of, or at least for a period of, of time of servitude, sexual slavery. And you can believe that these people rebuke their captors in the name of Jesus and prayed every day that they would be liberated from their captivity and freed

from their captivity. Now, does it happen? Are there instances in which ISIS maybe busted down the door and came to abduct a woman over there in Iraq and they prayed and rebuked the person name of Jesus and an angel shows up and strikes him dead. Probably it wouldn't surprise me and I wouldn't doubt it because those things do happen. But I would say, and I think you guys probably would agree, that it's the exception and not the rule, that God sometimes determines to intervene and sometimes he doesn't. Same thing can be applied to healing. And in the same way that charismatic Christians cause great damage when they're trying to convince people who have cancer or some other ailment that they weren't healed because they didn't have enough faith. I'm sure all of us

have encountered this on some level, right? Those of us who are believers, especially those of us who believe, we grew up in the church like me, that if you pray for somebody and they don't get healed or you yourself have an infirmity and you pray you don't get healed, that some of us have encountered this very destructive narrative that it's because you lacked faith. You didn't have enough faith. Otherwise, you would have been healed or the person you were praying for would have been healed. That's absolute false doctrine and it's destructive. It's psychologically damaging to the believer who walks away thinking that their faith was ineffective and insufficient and that's why they weren't healed. I think we can all agree that that's psychologically damaging and destructive. Now,

let's apply the same mentality to people who believe that they are rebuking aliens in the name of Jesus and that they are inhibiting or obstructing the abduction episode, that they are successfully repelling their abductors because they're invoking the name of Jesus. Does it happen? I have no reason to doubt that it does. None. Okay. Has it happened? Is it happening? Again, I have no reason to doubt that it does. But is it the exception and not the rule? I'm very confident that it's the exception, just like in the other cases that I cite it. All right? So here's a problem. If you are convinced, if you're a believer, and there are many, but you also happen to be an abductee, and you're being abducted, and you're living in denial, believing that you're abducing

your abductors in the name of Jesus, and it's working. It's being effective. And so you're being lifted off your bed and you're rebuking them. By the way, you're always immobilized when you're lifted off your bed. And you can't even speak. So in your mind, you're rebuking your abductors in the name of Jesus. And then suddenly you remember it worked because now you're being put down on your bed. You're being lowered back down onto your bed. This is what most abductees who claim that this works, this invocative solution to the abduction phenomenon,

they're going to describe to you. They're being lifted off their bed. and then they started in their mind, because they can't use your lips. They're rebuking their abductees in the name of Jesus. They're rebuking the Grays in the name of Jesus. And then suddenly they're put that back down on their bed and the Grays leave. I'm telling you that what they're remembering is exactly what Bud Hopkins said. They're remembering the beginning and the end of their abduction episode.

And they're gluing the two together as a seamless timeline of what happened in their minds. They went up, they rebuked, they came down. I'm telling you the grand majority of them went up, probably through the window, up into the craft, and were subjected to the usual procedures and then brought back down and put back in their bed and then the grays lift. And the problem, again, the problem is that a lot of people, maybe a lot of people listening to me who are going to listen to me when you guys publish this are going to recognize that this is true, know that even though they, they've convinced themselves that this invocative solution, invoking the name of Jesus is working, they know they have a sneaking suspicion that, in fact, they are being abducted and still being abducted and still subjected to the abduction program. And so they're living in denial,

and that denial is wrecking their faith. It's wreaking havoc on their faith internally. That's a problem. Okay? For me, that's a problem. Because here's the reality. Being an abductee has no bearing on your faith in Christ or lack thereof, zero. It has nothing to do with your faith in Christ. Just like being abducted by sexual predators has zero bearing on your faith in Christ. Just like getting diagnosed with cancer, has zero bearing on your faith in Christ, or if you get coronavirus and die, has zero bearing on your faith in Christ. Zero. So if you are an abductee listening to the sound of my voice, and you know you're still being abducted, even though you're invoking the name of Jesus,

understand that it has nothing to do with you being a Christian, your faith in Christ, or your security in your faith in Christ and in the family of God, it has nothing to do with it. Nothing. And so people ask me, okay, because believe me, guys, I've interviewed people who believe that they were invoking the name of Jesus. And then the deeper we go, they begin to realize and break down and cry that they're still being abducted. Okay? So the next thing, question is, maybe I want to preempt your question here.

What can you do if you're a believer? Well, I'm not telling you not to rebuke things in the name of Jesus. Again, I think it's probably our most natural and appropriate reaction to anything. That's fine. But I'm not an abductee. If I were an abductee, I think the way that I would think about it, I don't know if this would help people or not. I would want to be like a secret agent, a sleeper agent.

You're going to abduct me, fine. Then I'm going to pray. I'm going to pray that God recalls to my mind and my memory, what you're doing so that I can be a part of exposing the program. And that God allows me to retain some of these memories and allows me to operate as like a, like I said, like a sleeper agent, they're abducting me. I'm going to make them pay because I'm not supposed to remember these memories. I do believe that you can recall the memories.

I mean, that would just be from my own personal, from my own personal point of view. That's the way that I would approach it. Like, you're going to abduct me, fine. But I'm going to do my best to remember, to recall what you're doing, and to help to expose who you are and what you're doing and what you're, because they don't want you to remember. Believe me, they don't want you remember. And maybe if you start remembering, maybe if you're praying and God,

they'll leave you alone. Maybe they're going to start leaving you alone. They don't want to keep abducting you if you can, if you're suddenly remembering. And the aliens, by the way, are not in the habit of. killing people. They don't want to be known. They don't want to draw attention to what they're doing. And by the way, abductions are hereditary. You're being abducted not because of something you did, although there's a clause that I'm going to put in there in a minute. You're being abducted because one of your parents was an abductee or both. If your father or your mother was an abducti,

then you're an abducti as well. It's hereditary, always, and in every case. It's hereditary. and I've got reasons why I believe it's hereditary, but it's got nothing to do with, you know, your family being particularly evil or or being involved in the occult. Now, here's the caveat, here's the clause that I was going to add into here. There is one thing that I know from my own research that makes you a candidate for abduction. And that is if you go to a psychic parlor and get a psychic reading. Now, why? Because the grays are using psychics to dragnet the population to identify potential abductees. Why? Because I believe that the grays are looking for particular family lines that have a heightened, let's just say a heightened psychic faculty.

I am of the persuasion that human beings, I could be wrong, but this is my persuasion, that the human species was inherently telepathic. At least we could receive telepathic communications and still can. But we're broken. That mechanism is broken. And we can no longer broadcast, consciously broadcast. We know that we're, and we know that human beings and animals as well are empathic. That's a different thing. We're definitely empathic, human beings. Are we telepathic? I think the answer is yes to some degree. And this is nothing to do with the new age or none of that. This would be a capability inherent in the human species. In other words, something that Adam could do.

I could be wrong, but I don't think I am. And I think that the grays are looking for family lines, individuals who have a predisposition, who have a heightened psychic capacity, who are open, more readily open to telepathic manipulation. And that's how they're identifying, because that's how they manipulate people's telepathically. Of course, they use technology as well, and they use implants to immobilize you. So, but the grays are certainly controlled. That's how they implant the screen memories, by the way.

So they're dragnetting the populace through psychics. I mean that isn't far from what we've talked about with people having mind speak when it comes to Bigfoot, right? There's this telepathic on the reception end, obviously. Like you're having these thoughts put in your head when people come in contact with, or people say they when they come in contact with Bigfoot. That's something that is. You can receive. You can't send, maybe. So I have one more question about the grace is that I know that one of the things that Alistra Crowley did is when he was doing his spiritualism was open these portals was having grace.

walk through. So are these interdimensional in a sense? That wasn't a gray alien. It wasn't. You know, a lot of people says it's not a great alien. Okay. That wasn't a gray alien. That was at some kind of an entity. I don't know what that was. It was some kind of a demonic entity, not a demon, but but some kind of an entity, non-human, demonic entity. I don't know what that was. Who knows what that was? But it wasn't a gray alien. And there's several reasons why I say that gray aliens do not convey to you. They don't, they don't come and convey spiritual knowledge to you. They don't dictate the book of the law like Iwas did to Crowley. They don't do, they don't engage in those kinds of things. Grey aliens are stoic. They're very robotic.

I think they're cloned drones, biological drones. And they're not into messaging. They're not messaging, giving you messages. That's, that's, they only fulfill one purpose. They are the worker bees for the abduction program. That's what the gray's do. This is the dragons program? That is where I offer three alternatives. If the dragon is not directly orchestrating this, he is certainly going to take advantage of it. And you have to read my book to get the details on that

because it's very complicated. All right. I need to do that anyway. For sure. By the way, my book is only available on Amazon because I'm not shipping books myself and nobody else is carrying the book. It's only available on Amazon.

Dude, we covered a lot of ground today, Nate. I think you guys, I appreciate you guys having me on and I apologize again for sucking up all the year. No, that's what we wanted to have you on. This has been a fascinating journey. I mean, I almost love to do this again if you have time just because I know there's a bunch of rabbit holes, rabbit trails we could have veered this way and that way on. I'd love to hear about the giants. Yeah, and talk about the giant out of Afghanistan and thoughts just on that specific niche.

But Timothy Albarino. I know probably this conversation we had. It's probably a little outside of your... out of your wheelhouse. But certainly, you want to talk giants. You want to talk megaliths. You want to talk Bigfoot in more depth. I love those subjects, too.

So obviously, I also have to leave here in a couple minutes. We'll do that. But if you guys want to do it again and drill down on giants, I got a lot to say about giants. I spent a lot of time researching giants. I love that. By the way, I do talk about giants in my book. And I talk about the watchers,

and I talk about all of that in the book. It's just, I think people are so familiar with those topics. so that I try and highlight the things that people are not as familiar with. Totally. And I was to say, Tim, I think this is just perfect, though. For the arc of our show,

it is the bookends. These two, starting the beginning, pre-Adam and then starting and then going, looking forward to the future, really is the perfect space for right now where we're at in our show and sort of the story arc. Because we've talked about a lot of the things in between,

but it's the, it's understanding what happened before to lead up to that, and then what the expectation of, you know, from biblical prophecy and the end times and the end of the world and what that potentially looks like. That's exactly what we wanted today. And I mean, I think you nailed it.

I mean, even the stuff going off on the grays, I think is super fascinating because we really haven't covered much of that either. So it was a virtual cornucopia of great stuff, man. Yeah. How can our listeners just get a hold of you or find you? I have a website, jimuthierabweenau.com. You can sign up for my mailing list.

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Who knows how long that will last? And I've got a YouTube. I have a YouTube channel that I got kicked off of YouTube and then I created another channel and then just renamed it to my name again. And it worked. So for now, at least. I do have a YouTube channel. I'll probably be pretty active on there in the future. I've got some interesting stuff coming down the pipe.

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two-day shipping. The book is birthright. Birth right. Yeah. The book is Birth right. The coming post-human apocalypse and a usurpation of Adam's Dominion on planet Earth. And now you guys know why it's the usurpation of Adam's dominion on planet Earth. Tim, thanks, man. I mean, totally appreciate your time.

I mean, absolutely. Thank you. Thank you guys. Anytime. You want to talk giants or whatever? Just give me a drop the line. You're going to be holding to that now. That's fine. All I'm doing is editing a TV show and then talk to guys like you on the radio. I love it.

Awesome. Thank you, man. All right. Well, hey, I appreciate you guys having me on. Thanks, Tim. Have a good day. See, man. Okay, now I've got to figure out how to close this window.

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