Blurry Creatures - EP: 191 The UFO of the Corn with Tina Griffin

Episode Date: September 12, 2023

It's the late 80's and you're riding bikes with your friends when you see something out of a Hollywood movie. A classic silver disc hovering in the sky slowly descending into the cornfield below. Now podcaster and ex-Hollywood whistle blower, Tina recounts the bizarre story that 6 of her friends witnessed one evening on her farm in Green Bay. When their family called to report what the children had seen they were late. Well over 60 people had already called in to report seeing the same craft. What was this UFO doing in Tina's backyard? Tune in now to hear her story. Intro song: Sunglasses Kid & Dreamkid83 guest: https://counterculturemom.com contact: [e-mail] blurrycreatures.com Socials instagram.com/blurrycreatures facebook.com/blurrycreatures twitter.com/blurrycreatures Music Kyle Monroe: tinytaperoom.com Aaron Green: https://www.instagram.com/aaronkgreen/ Mastering: ironwingstudios.com Outro Song: TimeCop1983: timecop1983.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And they had a whole row of these light bulbs that went around the whole unit right above the upper half of this saucer. And they rotated. And so it like lit up with red, orange, yellow, green, all these lights. But one bulb at a time lit up and they went around a circle. And there was a low humming sound this entire time. We didn't hear it, like we didn't see it or hear it until it was just right in front of our face. It didn't fly in. It was just like there.

And it was pretty big. And it was hovering right above the crops. Where it gets weird is it descended. I don't think it went all the way down to the ground because had it done that, we wouldn't have seen it with the cornfield. So it was kind of like just descended right over the corn. And then this sounds nuts. will never forget the sound. It made this kind of weird sound. And the whole time, all six of us weren't saying anything. We're all like kind of huddled together watching this thing. It was making

sounds like, e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e. I'm like, what the heck? And we saw sparks flying out of the side. And then we heard that same thing, but there were like breaks in the sound. Like something was communicating to something else, but we never saw anything. We never saw anybody come or anything come out of this thing. We did see some weird door like open from the top, go down, but we never saw anything go out or come back in. We just saw this ramp thing come down out of the side of it. The history of our earth is so different from what we can imagine. The Smithsonian that if they found out about a large skeleton somewhere was to go get it. I'm going to assume at least one person is right because if one person's right at bus the

paradigm. It all goes back to the fallen church. And the problem with the modern day church, they have a very truncated view of the supernatural. This backdrop that's just pregnant with all kinds of meaning associated with this Mount Herman event. And this guy defects from the kingdom. That's a big deal. You've tuned into Blurry Creatures podcast. Luke and I started this podcast. What a win? In the year that felt like five years. Yeah. We started talking about Bigfoot. And who knew? Here we are, Nathan. We've been to Peru and back. Yes.

We have a lot of weird stuff that's kind of taking place. It's been a wild three years. I think we should probably do some sort of 200th episode breakdown of all the weird stuff we've learned. Okay. Maybe that's coming. Tease that a little bit. But we've talked to a bunch of different people from a bunch of different walks of life, learned a lot of things about giants, Bigfoot, pyramids, ancient construction, aliens, UFOs.

Werewolves, Portals, it's all there. Yeah, it sounds like a cheesecake factory menu. There's a lot of things on it. You know, where are we going to go today? What do you order at Cheesecake Factory, Lou? You know, I'd bring it up because I haven't been in a long time because just the menu itself is overwhelming. But cheesecake, obviously, at some point, you don't go, you're not going to not when you go to Cheesecake Factory. But that is neither here nor there, Nate.

It is here. It is great to have you all. Great to have you all along on this. This is a Journey podcast and a Journey show. show and Nate and I are right there with you as we interview the PhDs, the experts, the people that have had the experiences, and we try to look for better answers to some hard questions that are really coming to the forefront, especially in the last year. A lot of these topics are becoming some mainstream talking points. And so we're grateful to have you along for the ride.

And today we've got a fun one. Yeah. We're doing a collaboration with Tina Griffin from Counterculture Mom show. We met her actually at the Birthright Conference here in Nashville, when Tim had his conference invited us along. We actually opened to the conference by doing a podcast interview. And Tina has a really, really cool thing that she's got going on in her own sphere. And even cooler, she has her own experience. She has a story she's going to share with us today. She has a UFO encounter from when she was a child.

And so very excited to do something here finally with our friend Tina. And she is just a wealth of knowledge, experience and research. But this particular episode, we're going to talk about her own. her own experiences and her own experience as a kid with a UFO. Yeah, she had a Class A UFO sighting. And some people out there just have these experiences that you kind of wonder, like, man, some people just seem to get the holy grail of a paranormal experience. And it helps shape their life and how they believe the stories that they hear.

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Thank you for sharing the show with your friends and your family. Let's get Tina on the show. This is going to be a fun one. We're going back to Wisconsin. What goes on up there? About to find out. Well, yeah, we appreciate you coming on blurry creatures. We've been on this trail for a long time.

A little over three years, we've been doing this podcast. And we talk a lot about, you know, the blurry creatures in our world. So welcome Tina Griffin to the podcast. You host your own show, the countercultural mom, show, and your ex-Hollywood actress speaker, and you're doing all the things that we're doing in probably some different spaces. but we have some crossover. And Amy from Eyes on the Right texting me,

she's like, you gotta have bring Tina on. She had her and six of her friends, had this wild UFO encounter in their backyard. So we're excited to break this down. Thanks for coming on the show. Yeah, thank you for having me. I'm very excited. We appreciate it.

We kick off our show. We ask everyone, what are your thoughts on Bigfoot? Just to get weird and get blurry, as we said. This is the icebreaker. This is like when you, you know, when you're in elementary school when they ask you, what's your favorite color? Oh my gosh.

Do you have any pets? For us, it's like, what do you think, what are your thoughts on Bigfoot? And to be fair, Nate, there have been a few guests that said they don't have any thoughts. So you can always default to that, although it's a really uninspiring and boring answer to a very fun question. Because of you guys and catching the shows I've caught here over the last three years and meeting you both face to face to know that you guys are normal people and not Bigfoot yourselves over at Tim Albarino's birthright conference. Yeah. You made me think about questions that I typically didn't even think about asking, and that's very rare. So you get the award for that because I have researched so many topics over the years.

But, you know, there's so many rabbit holes you can go down. And I'm like, I'm already having a little bit of a problem sleeping at night with the stuff from Hollywood that I heard about and seeing some horrific stuff over the years. I just never really researched it until I heard about you two. I think it could be Nephilim geared. And Nate, you and I were talking about that earlier today. I just, I'm not quite sure yet how to answer that question. Hopefully by the end of this chaotic episode with what I endured, you guys can give me more of a clear picture on what I saw

and then maybe I could put the puzzle together even better. I like it. If Bigfoot was a car, there's definitely some Nephilim wheels in there somewhere. There's so much that we just don't know. I'm going to be holding up the line in heaven someday when I see the Lord. Yeah, I've got a lot of questions. Got a lot of questions. I think it's going to be so mind-blowing.

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the years with the way pop culture and any kind of certain series might share it by saying it's a hoax or have a guy run with some kind of weird outfit on in the backyard late at night, then chances are it's probably real. I know. It's nuts. The stories are wild, and I think that's where our show started, and we were trying to figure out what it was, and quickly we got into the Nephilim, giants, alternate history, aliens and stuff. So the alien thing is kind of newer on our show.

I think we've been talking about it. You know, Tim Albrino kind of baptized into this and that whole space. So take us back to what you saw and what you encountered. And then we can try to do our best to corroborate what we've heard with what you've experienced and give you some better answers. But it's really, sounds like you had a fascinating encounter. We're excited to hear it. Yeah, it's pretty nuts. And then the following years, which I can tell you a couple of things that happened while I was in L.A.

just added to what we saw as kids. So I don't think it was an accident, but I thought it was actually on my mom's birthday, August 2nd, 1988, and it was actually the night before. It was a, I believe, a Sunday night. And the sun was just setting, and there were six of us kids,

wreck and have active nuts and riding our bikes around my parents' farm in Pulaski, Wisconsin. And that's about 20 minutes west of Green Bay. I was 11 years old, and I remember that summer, my mom invited some friends over from church. And so their three kids and myself and my two younger brothers were just racing bikes in the backyard.

Son was just setting. The adults, of course, are not near where this UFO experience happened, which didn't make me happy because they were going to think we're nuts afterwards. But they were on the back deck behind the house. We were a good couple hundred feet away behind the barn. Cornfields are pretty tall at that point. We're talking, you know, August, almost harvest time, not quite. And as a sun setting, still bright enough outside. I don't remember which one of us kids screamed, but we all went to a screeching halt

when someone yelled, what in the heck is that? And there were two of us that were the oldest, 11, 12 years old, right in there. And then two 10-year-olds and like two nine-year-olds. We were all really close in age. And I got off my bike seat and kind of like leaned forward because I was both panic attack feeling and I couldn't move. But I didn't want to move at the same time. And I did not want to go closer and I didn't want to bike, you know, run from it. I just was, honestly, I was just kind of paralyzed. And this silver-looking saucer ordeal, and I have to put a preface in here by saying, I grew up at

this time watching a ton of rescue 911 shows, unsolved mysteries, cops. I was just into that FBI research already as a kid. And so I'm like thinking of my brain, oh my gosh, like the cows that were taken in Texas, this could be real. Because I saw the same type of shape that day. It was a regular looking silver saucer. It had small windows on if you cut the thing in half, the top half had small windows that were more narrow at the top and then got wider on the bottom. There was a regular looking light bulbs. and I was like probably a quarter of a mile away from it, if that. It was pretty close. And the light bulbs looked like a normal, regular light bulb.

And they had a whole row of these light bulbs that went around the whole unit right above the upper half of this saucer. And they rotated. And so it like lit up with red, orange, yellow, green, all these lights. But one bulb at a time lit up and they went around a circle. And there was a low humming sound this entire time. we didn't hear it, like we didn't see it or hear it until it was just right in front of our face. It didn't fly in. It was just like there.

And it was pretty big. And it was hovering right above the crops. Where it gets weird is it descended. I don't think it went all the way down to the ground because had it done that, we wouldn't have seen it with the cornfield. So it was kind of like just descended right over the corn. And then this sounds nuts, but I will never forget the sound. It made this kind of weird sound. And the whole time, all six of us weren't saying anything.

We're all like kind of huddled together watching this thing. It was making sounds like, I'm like, what the heck? And we saw sparks flying out of the side, never saw a being, but sparks flying around the side. Like, it brought back like, I just thought that my dad, when he would weld in the shop on the farm, it was that type of sparks flying from it.

And then we saw firewerews. coming out of the side, like normal, regular looking fireworks, but they were huge because I remember thinking my brain, it's not, it's not Fourth of July. Like, I thought it was like a fireworks show, but it wasn't Fourth of July. This was like a month later. So that happened. We heard that weird weird sound like cutting through metal type of deal, but it was a weird sound. It wasn't normal because I was in my dad's shop for years. It wasn't like a normal sound. And then we heard that same thing, but there were like breaks in the sound. Like something was communicating to something else,

but we never saw anything. We never saw anybody come or anything come out of this thing. We did see some weird door like open from the top, go down, but we never saw anything go out or come back in. We just saw this ramp thing come down out of the side of it. Now, if somebody did come out and go in, it could have been,

they were short and just were hidden by the corn and came back up. But the door came down. This probably went on for, five minutes. Fireworks, the weird screeching noise. I can't remember if there was a beam coming out of the bottom or not. I just remember it looked lit up from the inside through those windows, like a yellowish hue, and then the rotating lights. And it was just weird. It was very weird and it was pretty big. Like I could see it in detail. What got weird is after that like came up above the cornfields again to where we first saw it, it all of a sudden just disappeared. It didn't fly away. It just

was gone. After that happened, we were screaming because we're still like, my heart was beating out of my chest at this point, just screaming. And I was yelling for my mom and dad. I was hoping they would see something. We couldn't even move when this thing was going on. Because my first thought is that is not of this world. That is not, it looked like a UFO from what I saw watching these different alien shows. And so when that happened, I was screaming, running, racing back on my bike around the barn going over this ramp by our silos screeching halt. My parents are like freaking out running around what happened. They thought, you know, something happened to one of us kids. And we all started screaming at the same time that we saw this, you know, thing in the air. It's a UFO.

And my mom like normal with other weird stuff that's happened to me in my life, even as a kid. I'd be like, kind of write it off. Like, you know, you guys saw an aircraft. It's probably some government thing. I'm like, no. And she didn't really believe me at first. So I told her, why don't you divide all six of us kids up in different rooms? we won't talk to each other at all, like, because we didn't even have a chance to say this, we're going to tell them and try to freak him out and scare them out and lie about something. There wasn't a lie about we're freaking out because we knew something happened. We all went into different rooms.

She gave us a piece of paper. We all do the exact same thing. Exact same thing. I mean, some of the diagrams were a little bit smaller, but the same kind of details, this craft, all that. And we took a one step further, which I had like this FBI research thing, like just my, I would have been an FBI agent if I didn't go to L.A. and do the acting thing and all that because I'm always like trying to research, dig into the, you know, put the puzzles together. I told Tara my best friend who was over that night, we're the two oldest in our families. I'm like, let's call a local radio station to just see or the local TV station in Green Bay and see if they got any reports because we know what we saw.

There had to be more people. But I called at 11 years old, my mom looked up the phone number. I called and I said, hey, we just saw this UFO. Da-da-da-da. And then Tara's on the line with me. We're both like yelling into the phone. This is what it looked like. And the woman near a line before I can even finish our story said, you're the 60.

46th caller that called in about your sighting. Wow. So we knew we're up to with something. I don't know if you guys want to ask any questions or a little bit more of the story, but that was what we saw that night. So how far are you away from it? So it's in your backyard, basically. It's right over one of our cornfields.

So we have the barn, like two silos in the back, one silo in the front. And we were right between the barn and that cornfield. And it was hovering over the back part of that cornfield. So literally a quarter of a mile. So you got to, it's pretty close. And what year is this? This was 1988. And here's what's crazy.

I host this program called the Counterculture Mom Show. We did UFO alien abduction about a year ago. I don't remember looking up the, what is this called here? National UFO Reporting Center Citing Report, where people can report what they saw. I went back and sure enough, August 1st, 1988 at 1915. which is what, 7.15 p.m. I'm just going to have a heart attack. It just gives me chills every time I see this. At 6.54 p.m. Sorry, 6.54 p.m. This was reported that at 1915, that's 7.15 p.m., this mom and her son in Howard, Wisconsin, 10 miles away from me on August 1st, 1988, saw this oval shape for a duration of two minutes.

There were lights on the object. The object changed color. I haven't read this in a while. I just got chills. is the same object that we saw. And I can read you really quick what she saw as two sentences. My son and I were coming from Swamico, Wisconsin. That's exactly where we live. And traveling down Vulp Avenue, traveling south, as we turned off from our road, my son was tying his tennis shoes and he looked up and said, Mom, look up. At that time, I looked up and we both said it was a flying saucer or a UFO. My son got excited. I told him to not say anything as we were going to his orientation for ninth grade. I told him no one would believe us. After arriving orientation, my son went off and a while later his friends came up and asked me if it was true.

That night afterwards, I called the airport to see if they had any airplanes traveling at direction. It was not an airplane. And I mentioned, I mentioned what happened and they said, nope, the moment we say it and realized that we were, what we were looking at with a blink of an eye, it disappeared in midair. That's exactly this. They literally, like I have chills right now.

I have chills. That is the same object. It was right when the sun was setting at 7.15 p.m. Swamico. Swamical. Like middle of nowhere. Here is the last little bit. I lived in Swamaco in 05.

Stop it. Are you serious? Yeah. Yeah. 05. Swamaco, Wisconsin, right there in Brown County. Yeah, it was right there. So to wrap up that little story, my parents thought it was nuts.

We all drew these diagrams. And I was getting mad because I had no proof. You know, and I hate not being believed, but I now had a whole opening on the world's not what you think it is. And there's a bunch of cover up. Well, lo and behold, God answered my prayer. We need some proof. 15 minutes later, we're back out in the back deck, having dinner, yada, yada,

digging into our burgers. And I'm looking up and my everybody, even the adults at this point are like, what the heck is going on? If it wasn't 17, it was 15 black army helicopters that we never see in our area circling our farm. And to this day, I wish for at least an hour. At this day, I wish it would have gone over to where that beast landed, came down and seen if I would have seen a crop circle or something. That's what makes me like, I'm like, what was I thinking for at least a year later? I can't tell you how many nights. I would go. outside hoping I would see it again and then not hoping like I really wanted to not that I wanted to go in it this time around but uh it was wild and then I have other stuff I can share about even crazier stuff when I lived in L.A.

But yeah, that's that was my first encounter. Well, I think that that feeling is is pretty typical. A lot of people got a lot of guys who will see Bigfoot and then they devote the rest of their life to him. They almost go crazy because they're just like out searching for that experience again. And it's, you know, it's a one in a million experience, probably even higher than that, you know, to see something like this. But then, you know, they're just trying to recreate that moment. But the fact that you had all your friends with you is such a blessing because most people are alone and they don't remember for years. So you, you didn't block this out of your mind. Do you, do your friends, do you sit down and talk about it? Oh, yeah. It bonded us in a way that I'm still very good friends with the other family with their three

kids. I mean, Tara and I grew up together. She's my closest friend in Green Bay. And weird stuff always happens we're together. So I don't know what that all is. But we went to the Packer games together. And I'm watching football. She's getting guys full numbers. I'm like, Tara, come on. You're not ready to get married to 16. Let's watch this touchdown right here. But it opened my eyes massive. There was one more. There's like 10 stories I can tell me. There's one more story I want to tell you to see if you can add if you had any guess on that this thing happened to them or if they saw something. I wanted to share something that happened when I lived in LA. Yeah.

I have a couple of questions about the UFO thing before. Yeah, yeah. When you talked about like being able, being sort of frozen in place, was that, is that a fear response, you think?

Or do you actually feel like you were kind of stuck? Like the reason I asked this is there are a lot of accounts in uphology and UFO encounters where people feel like they sort of get stuck in place or held in somewhere, or they get sort of pulled against, almost against their will. not your case, but against their will, they're like they're pulled to the craft. And that really

famous UFO encounter, Barney and Betty Hill in the 60s was that they felt like they were pulled out, they had, they were compelled. They were like pulled out of their car and then they're, but there's this idea that sometimes encounters people get, it's the control may not be the right word, but in some ways it is, it is that like you are either stuck in place or you're forced beyond maybe against your, your physiology and your will to move places. So was that the case where you guys just sort of Like, was it a fear response? Like, you know, you got concrete shoes on. I want to say that we couldn't move.

I'm trying to remember if I tried to move. But I just remember as soon as I got off my bike seat, I could not move. So I don't know if I, like, no matter, like, I, I don't even remember breathing for those five minutes. I was just like paralyzed is the best way to explain it. After it took off, that's when the fear hit me. I'm like, what the heck just? I was like a fear, excitement, freaking out type of deal. like what did we just see? We know that we know we all saw it. You know, is it going to come back? Is it going to

fly over the head and suck one of us up? I mean, at that point, I've seen a bunch of UFO-type shows where, you know, people didn't do too well if they got sucked up in there. So my whole thing was, let's be under radar, but I could not move when I was, when we were on our bikes. How big do you think the craft was in like comparison to something else you've seen? I'm trying to think feet-wise. It's like the size of a bus? No, bigger than a bus. Probably two buses, two school buses linked. I mean, if I was right up next to it, that's probably how big it would have been. Definitely bigger than just one school bus, because that's kind of what it looked like from our distance. Yeah. Yeah. And the lights, that's interesting. Are you saying the lights were rotating or the lights were just blinking and sequence? No, it was like rotating. So like it's like if you have a string of Christmas lights, but they're the normal regular round bulbs from like back in the day, it would be like one bulb that would light up. at a time that went around a circle pretty fast it was like err like just keep going around a circle all like a carnal it's like a carnival ride almost that's why i was thinking i had to go through the gravitron

yeah that exactly yeah but you could tell it was not from anything i had ever seen before yeah i was i was saying it's interesting have you ever are you familiar with the aerial incident at all in zimbabwe because when you were speaking it kind of reminds me of this except for the fact they had these things something got out of the crap but this is where there was a school where a UFO landed in 1994 outside of a school in Zimbabwe, the aerial school, and 62 students saw a UFO and saw things get out of it. And what they did is they separated all these kids and have them draw it to make sure that they weren't all like, you know, making it up, and they were all the same thing. I remember seeing a short little video clip years ago on that,

because I was, that's all I researched for like a decade was that all the time to see if I could piece together what in the world we saw. It sounds very similar in the sense that you There's a bunch of kids and then you have, you get separated and you smartly, you all draw the same thing. It's sort of like when you have people implicated in a crime and you separate them so that they can't, they can't collude on a story, right? That's fascinating. It's fascinating. Obviously, nothing came out of the craft other than fireworks, which is also very, yeah, very fascinating.

That's what I was going to ask the actual door coming down. Can you explain like in detail, like where, what part of the ship did it come down and did it go into the corn? Yeah, it came down into the corn, but it wasn't even like a normal door. It looked like a ramp. Like it looked like something cut the side of it out and then it just flap forward into the corn. And it happened really quick. Like I just remember thinking, did I just see like something flap down into the corn? Like, is something going to come out of there?

Like that's kind of like when I got more like panic attack. Is it going to, does it run faster than I do? Is it going to run through the corn and grab us? Like those thoughts were all going through my brain. but it was a really quick like a flap coming down into the corn, not like a normal door that like I had a hinge and opened up sideways. And it was on the left hand side of the craft. Same spot.

When the fireworks came out and we heard that weird whatever sparks, like yellowish white sparks, it must have been cutting through the metal is all I can assume. And then we saw the fireworks. Then we saw that ramp and then there was a ton more fireworks. And the ramp you couldn't see once it came down. It was like in the corn. Hmm. Any, like, crop circle stuff in the area that you heard about?

No. I mean, if there was, I didn't see it. That's the one thing. Had I been older, I don't want to even say older. I just wish I would have thought about it. Like, I wish I would have thought about it. Weeks later, I did. I'm like, why didn't I go there and look to see if there was a ring or, you know, some kind of crop evidence? Because all the, all the farmers had crops, the corn that was in that area. It's all, we had 350 acres of soybean. and corn in that whole area where it landed or hovered. I don't think it ever landed on the ground. I think it hovered from how much of that craft we could see. It just came up here. When we first saw it like disappeared right here and then it like hovered down lower, kind of right above the corn.

Just the very bottom of it was covered by the corn where I couldn't see it decent. It's interesting because we've been emailing a couple that's been doing crop circles research for the last 30 years and they're coming on next week. And it's been a long time. So it's funny how these episodes kind of string together. And here you have this UFO hovering over the corn. And the next week we'll probably figure out what are crop circles. How does that make sense?

But if you research that topic, they do leave these weird designs that are not. Some of them are hoaxed, but some of them are so meticulous that, you know. And then it just reminds me signs when you see those little alien figures running through the corn. And that's what I. It's like freaks you out. I didn't know up until that point much about what ill. aliens look like. I mean, on my shirt, this is what we're always told, you know, little green men, but are they really? I was going to tell you a really quick, insane thing

that happened to me in L.A. that is alien related. And then you tell me what the heck this, this is. I worked for a woman, a casting director at Universal Studios when I first moved to L.A. while I was going for film school at Cal State, Los Angeles. And long story short, through that, I met a bunch of people that got me signed up with different agents. I did film and TV, runway type stuff, Miss America pageant, all that jazz. And the mix of all that, I was hired with a group of my friends to work for the after party of the Taken series for Steven Spielberg. And I was fascinated because I'm like, oh my gosh, people from around the world are going to be

coming in for the supposed crash site memorabilia. They brought a bunch of stuff in, had it all in like clear cases right there at Universal Studios. And people would come in and we would be like running this. museum to pump up the Taken series. I think it was like back in 2004, 2003, whenever Taken series came out, which I already have been doing research on Steven Spielberg and other top elites in Hollywood and how it's connected with the government and what they're all, you know, trying to brainwash us with. And so my research went skyrocket after the alien thing and a couple

years later before I moved to Hollywood. That's why I moved to Hollywood. So I'm at this event and a bunch of people are coming through the line, sharing their UFO stories. A lot of people were abducted. And I shared mine. But I met this one guy named Denton. And I knew God brought him in my life that we had to talk. We were really good friends, kept in touch. He was probably in his 70s when we first met. And I talked with him for a good 15 years. And he passed away about five to seven years ago. And he would say today, share it. So when I'm probably not I can remember all the details, but it was like it's in my file cabinet and my brain when he told me all this. he was in downtown LA and he saw UFO decades before this like 20, 30 years before this. It was late at night downtown LA and this blue beam came out of it. And I'm just going to give you the bullet points. There's a lot more of the story.

This blue beam came out of it, struck his body. He was paralyzed, didn't get sucked up into the craft, but his blood changed. It changed his blood. And I wish I could remember what his blood changed too, but there was only two on the globe that had that blood, both of which had that experience being hit by this blue laser beam coming out of a UFO. So I was like, well, that's a weird story. Well, it gets crazier. His brother worked for Nassau, and one day, my gosh, I can't believe I'm even sharing this. Like, I hope, whatever. Give it to us. Give it to us. Give it to us. Give us the goods. There's a target on my head

anyways. It doesn't really matter. So one day, his brother, he was dying to go where his brother, was working, which was underground. I don't want to say area 51. I think it was, but it was an underground, massive, massive, not just a tunnel system, but like a lab. Yeah, like a base underground. Like a base? Yes. And it was in, that's what got me into major books about the tunnels that connect all the major cities in the U.S. It's a whole other conversation. But it absolutely exists. So he was dying because his brother would tell him, I can't take you down there. I'll get, I'll get killed. Like, I can't bring you down there, security purposes and all that.

We have special badges, but he would tell him over the ears what it's about. Well, one day, his brother calls him out of blue. He goes, grab a camera, get over here. And so he drove out to the desert. I want to say it's Arizona, but it's somewhere, Arizona, California, Utah, like all in there. And said, I can get you underground because my coworker is sick. And I'm going to give you his badge. I'm like, oh, my gosh, are you serious?

And I knew the guy wasn't lying because I knew what I saw. Like Denton had no reason to be lying about any of this. took his big hunk of camera down. This is like we're talking 20, 30 years ago because it was at least 10 years prior to him and I meeting. Probably literally 40 years ago now. And he took this big hunk of camera down and got all this footage. But what he saw and there's like, it's like a 10 hour story what I could tell you. But the gist of what he saw is he goes, I went so far underground.

He goes, it was like an elevator system that went way underground. He goes, it was sand. You lifted a flap. You went way underground. Then when he goes, when I got underground, my brother and I were, we, we, rode in this train car cart on tracks. And it goes, Tina, it was like two or three football stadium size, how big the land was underneath, like this big base. And the two things I will never forget is, number one, he stops off at this one spot where they had three beings. He said they were absolutely

not human. They had one guy was taller and then like six three, six four, like a normal site. Well, even a little bigger than that. I remember as he said, it was like six, six and a half feet tall. Pasty white skin. He said they looked a lot like humans, but you could easily tell it they weren't. Pasty white skin, almost translucent. And he had dark hair, really thin. And then two women were there. I say women, but they weren't, they weren't human. Really white, pasty, translucent looking skin, really thin and bony. One woman had long red hair. One woman had short black hair. And he said they all were preserved. they weren't alive, at least they didn't move around. They were all preserved in this weird, clearish looking bubbly liquid, like a test tube is all I could put in my brain when he was explaining this to me to try to put a visual to what he was saying.

And they were in these really big tubes that were being preserved by the government. The government is fully aware what's going on. His brother worked for NASA. I don't trust NASA. I don't know where you guys stand on NASA. But the whole Nazi connection with that is another whole show. But brother was diehard believer, Christian. And so he saw these three beings.

They would do experiments and stuff on them. He didn't explain what kind of experiments. He just said, I saw the three beings in there. And they looked a lot like us, but they weren't. More pointed ears, the skin, really thin lips. I remember him saying that. I really haven't thought about this in a while. This is weird.

And then with the three beings, he got this all on camera with his brother. And he said at the same time, he's kind of panicked to get footage because there was people that there's more than just his brother at work down there, at different stations. He said, near that station, and this was, I don't want to say it was Roswell, but I worked on Roswell that set. So that also enamored me because what Roswell talked about, I think a lot of this stuff actually was going on at the time. There's a lot of Hollywood crap.

Like COVID, for example, they were talking about this in 2004 in soap operas, six feet apart, big virus. We got a mask up. I'm like, really? And all of a sudden, it's 20 years later. And they're doing what they had talked about. So I always study film ahead of time saying, well, they're already kind of telling us, what's going to happen. Simpson's like all that. So with this, with that said, he said right across

that aisle was another whole station of crash site leftover stuff where there was a, they finally got through it, but it was a, he described his saucer. It looks somewhat like mine, but a little bit smaller, where it took the government forever to figure out how to saw through this metal, if it was even metal. He said it was shiny, silver, but he goes, they could not figure out. Finally, they figured out how to saw through this metal, whatever it was, because it was not of this world, at least what he was saying. His brother was explaining it to him. And he said there was one chair in the very middle of this craft. There was also windows in it. One chair really small. He goes like a toddler. That's how small it was. Like a toddler would sit in it, maybe like a five to

10 year old max. But he said the craziest thing, Tina, was there was a poll that came up from that chair with a book on it, small little platform with a book on it. And he said when you picked up the book, you'd see writing like hieroglyphic black letters he said he didn't understand what the language was but he said there was writing on it and he said when you'd flip the page the writing on the previous page was gone and new writing would appear right in front of his face on that page it was clear flip the page all of a sudden there's writing flip another page same thing the previous page disappeared new writing in front of his face this guy love the lord i absolutely believe every every word he said I started listening to some of Scott Mitchell and his guests recently and what other people,

this woman Karen that I just heard a program on her. When she's talking about the railroad cars underground, I almost had chills, man. I'm like, that's the same thing that Denton told me. I will never forget this stuff. He gets his evidence and puts it in the vault in Sacramento. And he said, I don't know who. He didn't give me like names. And I don't think he knew.

But somehow the word got out. They found out that Denton was under, you know, that went underground with his brother. they confiscated all the stuff from that vault. He had a couple pictures that he kept with them, but a bunch of pictures, his VHS tapes of a lot of the stuff that he had on the ground, all was taken by the government that knew he had,

demanded that he'd get the stuff in the vault and they stripped it. But he did show me some pictures of the craft that he saw, that he had still that he printed, like screenshots of the screenshots of the actual footage. I believe it happened. Yeah, I mean, it's pretty in line with a lot of things we've heard. I haven't heard about the book yet, but it would make sense. But we have heard about the small chairs and the small control systems that they have in these that are like, it's like hobbits or little grays or flying these things around.

So it would make a lot of sense. What do you think of the blood thing was? Why? What do you ever figure out about his blood type? I have no idea. Towards the end of his life, what happened was he had cancer, massive cancer. And they couldn't really do anything for him because they didn't have, they couldn't even read his blood. He said, there's only two of you that have this type of blood.

it's not a normal blood. I don't know if I wrote that down on my journal. I wrote a lot of stuff when I lived in L.A. in my journal. But they just said there's only two of you right now walking on the planet. Same situation with the blue beam deal. And your blood, we can't get blood to you from another person. We can't use your blood anywhere else.

And he didn't even know that the blood was changed by that. But he told him what happened to him because, oh, that is why. I'm sorry, I'm like remembering bits and pieces has been forever. He said when the beam hit him, his veins in his arm, like he looked, at his body and his veins like lit up blue. They lit up blue. That is why I'm like remembering chunks because this is literally almost 30 years ago now. I'm remembering chunks of what he said to me.

But he knew something happened to his body that night. But it wasn't until years later when he had this health issue where they're like, we can't do anything for you because your blood literally is not of this world. And it goes, I know what happened to me. This is what happened. They're like, well, same story from the other guy who also had the same type of blood. It's weird. I mean, Tina, we've heard a lot of, we run on David Politis.

he talked about, you know, cattle mutilations and they suck these things dry. And he said that there's a lot of UFO stories where he told us a story on his documentary that a bunch of construction workers saw this UFO pick up an elk. And like basically same thing, right? It had like a tractor beam. It hit the elk and it like, it was moving and the elk was moving. So it like drew it up into the craft. It reminds me the Travis Walton story where he's kind of sucked up into the craft.

Remember that one. You know, you got the history of the Battle of Los Angeles and all. all the UFO stuff in LA. And a taken series by Spielberg is really wild. I've watched it. It is not like a normal Hollywood thing where you're like trying to entertain people. It's like, what is this series? Are they trying?

Yep. It is bizarre. And I think these people obviously know so much more than we know and they're just conditioning us. I mean, my theory is when the rapture happens, which I honestly believe will be happening in our lifetime. In fact, I think Feast of Trumpets in the next upcoming. coming years. And I talk about a lot in our show, like every quarter we're doing an end time prophecy series. We're releasing one next week. Scott Mitchell was on talking about the end times. And I had Charles Dyer on who's been to Israel over 40 times. And we're just living in it. So I think the whole alien thing

with so many people talk about the government's supposedly releasing tapes from 40, 50 years ago and all the footage and the pilots talking about all their stories, I think a lot of it is to warm up the masses to then have an explanation for when the rapture happens. That it's, you know, alien abduction instead of, no, it's really what Jesus said was going to happen in the end times. And now you guys are facing seven years of hell on earth, basically. But, you know, people ask, do you think these aliens are demon beings? I'm not sure. I don't know if it's nephalum.

I'm not sure if it's alien related. I know that the government knows about it. I believe that there's a lot of corrupt people that are demonically influenced, even possessed, because I talk about demon-possessed celebrities for 25 years, that these people could, be people in government, the elites, counsel on foreign relations, you got New World Order, all these Luciferians that are running the globe at the moment. I really believe they are working with, I don't know if it's demonic entities, Nephilim. I don't know what your take is on it. I have a big question mark there yet. Well, I think what Luke and I have talked about on the

show is that like you said, you're describing light bulbs, right? Like we don't hear about stories about demons in the Old Testament or the New Testament, you know, making light bulbs. since at building stuff that you can't even saw through. So, you know, I make an argument a lot on the show. Like, you know, they wouldn't need Ouija boards and 14 and 15 year old kids playing with it to try to get into a body if they can design this craft and fly around the world. I mean, you know what I mean? It's like a demon. A demon is a specific, it feels more like a specific thing.

I'm not saying these things aren't demonic. They sound demonic, right? They're doing genetic experiments. They, but they have a technology that we find and we pick up. and you're seeing it and you saw it close hand. So do you feel, do you feel like they were dropping something off in your cornfield? Or, you know, it was, or maybe God allowed you to see this early on in your life to kind of help you guide you through the rest of your Hollywood career? I never thought about them dropping something off in the cornfield.

I kind of saw it as them possibly surveying the land to come back and take what they, like kind of checking out what can we grab from this area. I mean, our cows were within like 100 feet away. So I was thinking, am I going to see something? and get to, you know, did they grab something for dinner? I mean, I just wasn't sure exactly what they were doing. But I absolutely know without a shadow of a doubt, just with the stuff. And I mean, I could give you 30 different weird UFO like things that have happened to me as a kid and through my early teens that I absolutely 110 percent believe that God showed me. So when I'm doing the show today on the topics we're doing, I wouldn't think people are nuts.

And at some point, I can relate to something from what the guests are talking to me about. And it would help me, I can even see how it's helped me know what to ask when I have people on talking about it. Yeah. It's just been nuts. And there's a lot of ties with the government, the corrupt government and Hollywood that just even going to the parties I was at and playboy Mansion fully clothed, doing research over the years. It's all tied together for mass deception. One thing I know is, Luke, I don't think you could get in one of these things and fly it around. You probably wouldn't fit.

I don't like to make it for big people. Yeah. And Denton did say he kind of had to crouch in because it was hard getting around with his camera gear into some of this junk that he was in. So bizarre. So it's a short king game. They're all short guys. I think it's fascinating though, the underground stuff. We've talked a bit, you know, maybe platitudes about some of that.

You know, there's the Phil Schneider story, the real famous one about this gun battle or with lasers and whatnot and underground base with aliens. And he got cancer too. He got cancer. Yeah, he got cancer from that. And then you have all the Dulcenae New Mexico stuff, which is also very interesting, right? There's apparently a, allegedly, the conspiracy theory is there's an alien, a joint human alien base. Depends what you read and what you read about under there. But we've talked to a few folks about these, and these absolutely exist.

There are deep underground spaces. In the United States, they tell us about some of them, right? They've got them as safe places for the president. And these things are connected. There's places that are connected to the White House. We know these are real because, or at least that they, appear to be real because it's been told these things, right? These aren't secrets.

And then so the idea these things exist in other places where they don't know about is not far fresh at all. In fact, it's, it's fact. It's these things. They have trained systems. And so who knows what's under the ground? I think sometimes we focus so much on what's in the sky that we forget there's so much weird stuff underneath the earth, underneath our feet that we don't even really know about. And I love your story. It is reminiscent of signs to me, like thinking of me.

And it's an 80s version, right? it's 88. You have this cornfield and this experience. I do think everything happens for a reason. So, you know, God is, you guys are redeeming that in your work, having had this experience and be able to speak about it. Here's what's nuts. I just, it's fascinating.

I did a series recently that caused me to dig a little bit deeper about the tunnels, underground tunnels. And if you look at the map of where they made these tunnels in the U.S., there's actually a concentrated spot in Wisconsin right around the Green Bay area all the way up through Shano, like going up Highway 29 for good

30 minutes. And what I just remembered as well as my youngest brother, Clint, he saw this craft in about three or four years afterwards. He called me freaking out. At that point, I think I just moved to L.A. And he's like, a teenager never going to guess. I saw a second UFO right above our woods. And it was a different one. I had like three lights and they all kind of moved together. But it was three big lights. Like they were red. Then it all changed to white. And it was just the lights, though, probably the corner of a triangular looking unit. And all he saw with the lights, because it was a lot later at night. But I've met Green Bay gamblers, the hockey players. I would do reporting for Green Bay sports before I moved to L.A. I had a couple hockey players tell me some stories of what

they saw. One guy in North Dakota. Calvin Parker, I don't know if you ever interviewed him. He has cancer today. And I hope the guy's still alive. I interviewed him a year and a half ago. Him and his coworker were abducted. It's in Mississippi, not to goose a gelpa. What is that weird? Did you ever hear about this guy's story? He was fishing with his coworker. 19 minute happened and he saw this craft above the water and he was then it landed on the shore and these alien beings literally these whatever bodies against his will picked him up hauled them into the craft and they did experiments on him and he talked about that in our program and it was nuts you guys had to get him on the program I hope and pray he still lie but he got cancer and he

said this one female being like stuck her long looking finger up his nose and literally blood was draining. He was wearing a white t-shirt, freaked him out, paralyzed. They gave him some drugs to also keep him paralyzed and on this glass table that was inside the craft. And there was at least 50, 60 people, if not more, that saw what in the sky that night. And several saw the two guys get hauled into that ship. It's nuts. Yeah. It's just nuts. What's the guy's name? What's the guy's name again? Calvin Parker. I'll give you his info. Calvin Parker. It's freaky. That's fascinating. Well, that part of the country, too, like we've talked a lot about a ancient history, right? It seems as though that's kind, that was sort of the landing point for the,

the mound builders, I think, because in Ohio Valley, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, we brought on Roger who had a serpent mound in his, on his farm up there. And he had all this weird creatures coming out of, out of the woodworks around the serpent mound that he discovered on this farm. Stop. So you have, you have these ancient places. I mean, you had literal giants being dug up by farmers in that area. You know, Fritz Zimmer has been documented over 750 mounds up. there, which are not, you know, his whole thing is they're not Native American. These predate the Native Americans. They're here long before. You find Canaanite artifacts from these. It's, it's way old. And you wonder if some of these places are portals or they came here for a reason and they knew what they were

doing there and they built these little mini pyramids all over the place. And if there's not some sort of access still to these points, because I mean, this week's episode where interviewed a guy that saw the Hatman up in Wisconsin too. So we got a Wisconsin theme going on right now on our show. Tell you what, it's not just cheese up there with us. I know. No, you got it way up in them Northwoods. You get up in the Upers, you know? I really think it's important because I think one of the things we've run into a lot on our show, Tina, is it's like, it reminds me of the field of dreams, you know.

You've got this guy that just knows something's up and then he sees these beings and he's trying his hardest. He's like on a mission. This stuff is real. I've got to do this thing. And I think people like us who have these podcasts, we have friends who tell us these stories. We get into this mindset of where we see the world is so skeptical. Even Christians. Christians are some of the most skeptical.

And you're trying your hardest to pour your life into your work to get people who realize this stuff is real. Real. And then there's that moment where Ray's buddies, like, you know, they're going to foreclose on you. And then he sees one of the entities come across the grass. And then he's like, don't sell the farm. Don't sell the farm. And instantly he changes. And I think your experience, like a lot of people, they're skeptical.

They don't believe in the unseen realms. They don't believe in aliens. Bigfoot, werewolves, ghosts, all. this stuff and then they see it and then they're like hang on a second my god what else is out there exactly and it's weird you bring up feel the dreams when i saw that movie it brought back a lot of memories from because it was around the same time and i just took my four kids there literally a month ago to feel the dreams and that's what i was thinking about the day that i saw that UFO with the cornfield like that and that and then also raleota who played the first entity that they saw just

passed away about two three years ago um i was his personal driver one year for the Oscars. So just to have that chat with him, I was taking him from Hollywood party to Hollywood Party to Hollywood Party in the Hollywood Hills. Very nice guy. I try to get him to come with me to church. It didn't happen that time around. But really nice guy. But that movie really, you know, I just think a lot of entertainment is used to warm up the masses to believing what reality they create. Yeah, it's conditioning, right? It's. Yeah. And you know when the end times too, just another little thing that I've been thinking about lately, when the Lord like warns us in the end times, it'll be famines, earthquakes, like birthing pains, we're Braxton Hicks stage, we're there, you know,

like we're close to like the eight, we're at the eight month mark and maybe two to three weeks. And this kid's coming on time. You know, it's not going to be late. I never thought about this before, but just during research on geoengineering. I mean, look at how much of what the Lord talked about in the end times could actually be being caused by the very globalists that are Luciferian driven that Satan's using to try to destroy humanity. It just blows my mind.

It's a whole different way of looking at it. Growing up as a kid, I'm thinking maybe all these famines and earthquakes and tsunamis and hurricanes and all the rest, God is bringing on his judgment. Well, it could be seen that way. Or, and however we want to look at that, the elites are controlling the weather at this point. And they gloat about it in videos from 40 years ago.

And there is something to say about, like what you were just saying about, there's a genetic component to all of this. And there was a genetic component in the days of Noah. And we talk a lot about that on our show is kind of proving that human beings were on the brink of extinction back then. You know, we almost sort of lost. And, you know, God reset the world.

But there is this, you know, a lot. And we talk a lot about the Book of Enoch and some of the things that were in there. And supposedly these watchers who defiled humans were locked up for 70 generations. So how long is a generation? Are they getting let out, Luke? What do you? They coming back? You know, it's a Terminator.

We'll find out or we won't. You know, who knows? But they're doing the genetic experiments, and that is something that is beyond your typical haunting, your typical demon or angel encounter. It's like you're talking about labs, blood, experiments, an advanced genome project that is hard for people to wrap their minds around. They're building an army to deceive us or fight against us. Yes.

The whole transhumanism thing, every time I do that topic, these fantastic people come on and share their expertise. I look at the pictures that tries to give a visual of what the heck we're talking about. I'm like, I can't even wrap my brain around some of the stuff that these people are talking about. And they're sometimes stuck. It's a lot like, we've talked about this before. It's a lot, it's the same temptation in the garden. And it's like if you, you can upgrade.

You can be like the gods. You can be, you can have these things. It's humanity 2.0. It's fascinating. I was actually having this conversation earlier today with a buddy about the idea of this genetic seed war that we see in the Old Testament. And then of course, God thwarts all of that and then redeems humanity through through Jesus.

They're trying to cut off, you know, the pure bloodline of humanity. It doesn't work. But they shift, right? And so they haven't really stopped. It's just like, what are they doing now? And there's a lot of theories on that. Like the Jolt II army, they're building the super army. And I tend to think maybe that's what's happening here.

You have Nimrod and you have the Tower of Babel, which, of course, we know is Ziggurat, and you can almost speak to anyone on the planet with the same language. We're back to sort of, there's at least a universal language with Google and translate and all and stuff, right? And perhaps what they're doing is they are collecting, harvesting, and this is all just speculation on my part, right? But from a biblical standpoint, they're putting together an army of hybrids. Not only to subdue and enslave humanity is that's the never.

philm agenda, but also to war with God yet again in that final battle. And I think eschatology is so interesting, right? I mean, everybody from John and Revelation thought they were in the end times, but there's so many signposts, as you talk about, of us being, of these things and prophecies being fulfilled that hadn't been fulfilled at the time of John. And that's a whole other rabbit hole and podcast, frankly, to get into. But I do think it's interesting that these things continue, and it feels like the veil standing as Nate talked about, and there's an uptick and in sidings. There's disclosure,

you know, with the whistleblowers that we saw in July and last month, these whistleblowers blowing the whistle on these black projects and these unelected parts. Yeah. Yeah, unelected parts are a government that are working on craft, right? Craft they can't saw a part in some of the same ways. Elements that, you know, back to the testimony, Babeliz are these elements that that didn't even exist at the time, right? Right? But now do. It's bizarre, right?

I was just going to literally mention Bob Lazar. That, when I started researching when I lived in LA and the whole taken, those, that era, I was researching nonstop. And Bob Lazar, his story, I just could not stop researching enough. I mean, file after file, people are like, do you sleep at night? I'm like, no, I'm doing another eight hours on Balazar. But it was Los Alamos. And he was taking a train with no, and buses with,

know, blacked out windows, these places where, you know, and he was at a time when there was no whistleblower status. And the only way you could really protect yourself was becoming a public figure, right? And going public. And so hiding in the spotlight. And people like to like to get after him about his credit is where he went to school and his resume, et cetera. But it's fascinating things he talked about at the time. That's just now we're finding out these things are true. The history is now validating his testimony, which is also another fascinating paradigm. It's unfolding in front of us. I just think Bob Lazar. had that part of him that, you know, people like us and these shows and these truth seekers,

they just have it in them. There's this immense vulnerability. They can't contain it. They can't lie. And I'm sure if you're a Christian, you're going through places like Hollywood and you realize there's a lot of fakeness, there's a lot of surface level stuff. You quickly start to realize that you can't be yourself in these situations. And I think Babazar couldn't be himself. And he had to tell his friends and he started to get worried and that vulnerability aspect won and i think that's a quality that these people have i just loved him too because what he described gave me more insight or details to what we saw as kids and i just always look at that and i ask myself would a person want to stick their neck out to get hung by making up a wild story like that to try to get some

followers uh the answer is no social media didn't even exist back then when bob lazare was around he was putting his life on the line. He could have got killed for what he was sharing. So to me, by stepping foot out and sharing that, he absolutely was sharing the truth. There was another guy, and it's driving me nuts that I can't remember the guy's name. That's a whole other story. I met this guy, Kenny, on the streets of LA at like 1.30 in the morning, really close to my apartment. And God told me, the Holy Spirit told me, rolled down your window and talked to the guy to your right.

The guy looked like a drug dealer. He had tattoos all over his arms. was not saying that all tattooed people are drug dealers, but he looks scary, a total bald head. And this is at 1.30 in the morning. And I'm like early 20s. I'm like, I'm going to get killed. But God was very clear. Was a stop late, red. He said, rolled down the window, start talking to him. I rolled down the window. I look over to Kenny and I said, hey, God, it's going to sound nuts. He's like, hey, what are you doing? How are you doing? I said, great. You're going to think I'm nuts. God wants me to talk to you. I don't know why. We stopped at a gas station, talk for a couple hours.

He knows about a lot of this stuff going on behind the scenes, government deal. A friend of his wrote a book I wish I could remember the guy's name. Something about White Horse. White Horse. He wrote a book about 20, 30 years ago. Nope, 30 years ago now. He lived in Arizona. The government had tapped all of his phones.

He wrote all about what was going on with the government with aliens, UFOs, whatever we want to call whatever was going on, all these Area 51 shenanigans, all that. And he wrote a book about it. And he told his wife, don't tell anybody. I don't want to get killed over this. I might have to make it a fiction last minute. She tells her women in her Bible study group within a couple days later, he was shot and killed outside of his house because these guys were making racket.

And like late at night, they were drinking or sound like they were drinking. He went out to tell him to get out of there. And they purposely, they were probably with the government, were making racket to make him get out of his house because he hardly ever left his house because he was like just scared to leave his house and was shot and killed in his driveway. And he wrote this fantastic book. It was something to do with white horse. Do you guys know any kind of book I'm talking about that has white horse in it?

It's like it brings in revelation. I got to look this up. The point is there's so many people that try to get the word out about what was going on over the years. And I would find out about these people and find out they were killed in the line of trying to expose it. Anyway, it's killing me. I can't remember this. Oh, my gosh. Oh, I found it.

Praise the Lord. Yes, people have got to read this book. Milton William Cooper, but he went by Bill Cooper. Behold a pale horse. Jaw dropper book. It changed my life when I read that in my early 20s. When I met Kenny at 1.30 in the morning, we'll never forget. He told me about the Freemasonry in L.A.

and how they made the streets a certain 33-degree mason type diagram. I mean, the guy was just phenomenal. But he told me about his friend William Cooper, Bill Cooper, that was shot and killed in his yard because they wanted to shut up. but he got that book out. Behold a pale horse. I was going to say, I thought it was a pale horse. I was going to say, it's like a revelation. Wow to that book. Wow.

Or the beginning of tombstone, Nate. Yeah. He's like, he says, talking about a sick horse or something. He's like, your Spanish is worse than your English. Yeah, we could do a lot of, we could do a lot of movie quotes here today because it's ridiculous. It's just ridiculous. This book is about information that kept in top secret government files

since the 1940s. His audience has heard the truth unfold as he writes about the assassination of John F. Kennedy, the war on drugs, the secret government,

UFOs. And he was shot and killed. But he talked all over the place, did a ton of presentations and spoke, spoke, and they kept warning him. He's like, I don't care what you guys are talking about.

We're going to try to stop me. I'm going to keep getting the word out there. Excellent book. I want to pick it up now and read it again. Yeah. Even late at night. I'm nuts. I like reading scary stuff

before going to bed. Just helps you relax before you go to sleep, right? Helps answer some questions. I like your energy and your willingness to dive in and put it all into good use, because I think sometimes when you're submersed in this stuff, you can kind of drive you crazy. I'm editing this stuff all day long.

Luke and I are doing three or four interviews a week, and it's just like you come out of these things, and your kids are just like asking for, you know, let's go to the bounce place and you're just like, it's hard to like switch gears and go back to normal life. Yes. In some ways, you know, you understand, Like in The Matrix, he put me back in.

I don't want to know what I know. Yes. But there's something about a Christian who, if you follow the data, if you really want to know, you can't really lean on your own understanding. You have to just trust God that he's going to guide you the right way. And you can't believe everything you hear, but more of it seems true than less in these spaces. And I don't know what the recipe is. I don't know how, because some people get down some really weird rabbit holes.

And I'm like, I don't know. I don't know how important that is or whatever. But it's just a weird recipe to plow through all this information. It makes sense. I hear you. I don't know if you share some of this stuff with your kids or how old your kids are. I homeschool my kids, 14 down to 10. I've got four. I'm just now getting my brain back after having the last kid. Love the kids to pieces. But they, they know about a lot of this stuff because they ask, you know, about a lot of questions about this stuff. And I don't. Well, my kid today, I found this. I found this in my car. Oh, you can't see it. There it is.

It's an alien on the moon. Oh, my gosh. There's a Lochness monster and there's Bigfoot in the woods. There's a UFO here. It's just a lot that it's like, yeah, do you want to go down there or not? I always kind of look at who is saying what. And if we know the who behind the info that's being dished, I'll know right away. For the most part, they want to kill us or know that might actually be accurate.

And I used to say nothing else is going to shock me anymore. And then I find out about you two. And I'm like, no, you know, forget that. comment. I think Luke and I have found that there are, there are very clever sciops to keep us, you get obsessed with figuring out some unsolvable thing that nobody knows. But I think there's way more data. You know, we have a lot of data on UFOs. We have a lot of data on Bigfoot. We have a lot of data on alien beings and underground military bases and things like this. And I think sometimes we can get obsessive. And the obsessive part of you can take over and then all of a sudden

you've created this weird cult of following where you're no longer driven by the data, you're driven by your own, you know, your own personal belief that you've figured out. And your narrative, you're crafted a narrative that you want to, you work backwards on everything to make sure it supports that narrative. And I think that's, if you're looking for the, if you're looking for the truth, then you're looking for the truth, right? Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So, yeah, I think, that's why I think all these things are so important, right? I mean, all the data and he talks about, the vast majority is anecdotal, right? But as Mike Heiser famously said, if one of those stories is true, your story is true, for example,

you have to figure out a way, you know, you've got a way to contextualize that within your own, your own paradigm. And we come from a place of being believers and our, you know, our lens is the Bible. Yes. And so this whole show is really just about, really it's about that. How do we take all the weird stuff and how do we contextualize, understand, talk about, think about the things that are now becoming mainstream talking points? So, you know, at this day and age, you know, how do you fit that into your worldview if you're a

Christian? And it's not, shouldn't be shocking, but I think it is to a lot of people that by God, it's, it's big enough, you know, it's big enough to explain and to contextualize a lot of these things, whether be a UFO experience like your own or a Bigfoot encounter. You can at least come with educated answers because we don't know until they drag a body out, until you, until you, as we famous said, until UFO lands in the White House law. Now, I wouldn't believe anything they said now, but that's always the same, right? And until it lands on the White House lawn and we want to know what these things are.

But I do think a lot of these topics, they're all, not only all connected, but they're all probably going to be part of what is the great delusion, right? We talk about towards the end. They're all going to play a role. I don't know about Bigfoot as much, but he's in there somewhere doing something, right? But you have these things that don't disqualify our faith. In fact, we live in a very much of real supernatural paradigm if you want to use that word as Christians. We believe in a lot of amazing and fantastic things when God has intervened into this creation, into the story of humanity.

And I think it's so cool what you're doing. I love how these concentric circles overlap, right? Because the things you're talking about, you talk about Hollywood and they all fit into what we talk about too. And I think of Richie the Barber, Nate, when she's talking about her Hollywood stories and things that Richie told us about, you know, he was in Hollywood much more recently. But it sounds very much the same, right? You've got cannibalism.

You have occult practices. You've got high lucifer. It's happening in these circles. And it's massive. It doesn't change. Nothing is new in that sense. And yet it's very shocking for a lot of people to digest because it's much easier to put your head in the sand and believe that, man, the government, we should believe the government's

telling us, right? They have our best interest in mind. And if we don't think about this stuff, we don't have to worry about it. And maybe that's been the case for a while. But a lot of these things have come knocking on our front doors, whether we like it or not. Absolutely. I think a lot more people are searching right now, too. I mean, I've had, I don't know if the three of us and other people that we know are magnets for this.

It's not as though I personally am looking for this, but I would rather have stuff that happens where I could digest and understand even more what is going on around us than to not. And I think anybody else there listening to this, it's like, well, nothing weird has ever happened to me. And I would really like that to happen. All I would say is throughout my life since walking with the Lord at the age of 16, right now actually marks 30 years. It's kind of nuts. 30 years this month, September. Placed my faith in the Lord. I remember I walking to the front of church,

interfaith fellowship in Green Bay. And I said, Lord, I'm willing to take a bullet for the cause. As I was walking to the front, I said, I would rather know the truth, even though it might be nuts, hard for me to understand, a lot of details, exposing the evil. Whatever the case is,

I'd rather know than not know and be let astray, where when he comes back, we're saying, Lord, Lord, and he's like, depart from me, I never knew you. I didn't want that to be me. And anyone's seeking the Lord, he will absolutely show you in ways you least expect

what is currently going on. I mean, I've had a wide range of stuff, including a demon, that literally tried to kill me that had its hands or something, like it had a grip on my steering wheel on the weight of a speaking event, try to steer me into a semi. I've gone through a lot of weird things in my past, a knife robber in my home that tried to wipe me out with my four kids and a friend of mine and her four kids. So by seeing all this stuff and living through it, I know God's not done with any of us yet that are. That's right. got a calling to expose this, talk about it, and help lead people to the Lord. There's so many questions that are out there that pastors today are just not addressing it. Honestly, watching with the

Lord is exciting if we seek the Lord. Yeah. You're not bored. I mean, the story that we all find ourselves in is, is crazy. If you think about what this all is, I mean, what we're a part of just God's creation and the number of species on this planet and all the things we know, we sort of fall asleep at some point. And I think that's Satan's design is to get us all into this just malaise. And I think people like us are just, we're curious, but we also don't buy that, I mean, the creativity of God doesn't just go away. It just doesn't stop. And his interactions with humans, he cares and he loves us. And there's so much more. This is not a boring story. And I think people say, oh, you're just, you're just searching for that sensationalism. You're just

searching for that hide. I'm like, no, I think all of this is crazy. Everything we are, you know, of it is crazy. Like, why do you accept such a boring origin story of humans and a boring, you know, everything is just rational explanation for everything? It's like, even the way your mind works, don't you understand? Like, you're rationalizing right now. Like, isn't that a miracle in itself? But yeah, I mean, but on our show, we just find the weird stuff and we start to package it and with an 80s flare and we, that's right. I love it. We put it out in the world. I love it. And it's, it's connecting and, and obviously, you know, we connected through Malbarino, which is trying to put some practicality in people's minds of like, you know,

what if these beings are just as physical as you and I? Why is that so hard to accept? And we have such a sort of medieval angels of these chubby little things that float around and fly around. They don't, they don't make things. They certainly couldn't breed with women. And you're crazy if you believe any of that stuff. But we find evidence of all this. And we're like, maybe, maybe there's more to the physicality part of the heavenly realm than we want to admit. I hear you. There's a verse in the New Testament talks about that we might be entertaining angels without knowing it. And I'm like, like literally, that might be what we're doing.

I'm telling you, we could do a whole number podcast of two angel run-in stories that I've got. Yeah. We'll do it. Let's do it. I mean, I was just say this to you, like, you've done a bunch of these little, like, ancillary stories. And I'm like, that's a show. And so is this.

So is that. It's just nuts. Well, I mean, we've had lots of guests on multiple times. And I really enjoy this conversation. So we can do it again whenever you want. We're trying to figure out this. And I know that each podcast episode could be, we try to keep it episodic towards a theme.

Oh, yeah, I hear you. But for Tina, because we're familiar with your work, but I know that perhaps some of our listeners are not. So I would love you with the opportunity to talk about your show, what you're doing, you know, what the things you're trying to uncover, expose, and share that and share where they can find and interact with you because you have a great, you have a great platform.

You have a really, really cool message and what you did. I'll let you talk about that. I won't. Oh, yeah. No, thank you for that. The best place to go to is our website. It's counterculturemom.com. Counterculture mom.com.

There's a wide gamut of topics from a couple weeks ago we did harp and the directed energy weapons. And interestingly enough, I think that's exactly what happened in Maui with the so-called fires. I think they were set on purpose to start the 15-minute cities that they're trying to get to for Agenda 20, We talk a lot about health topics, shots, jabs, anything COVID-related, 5G. I go down that whole path.

There's a lot of info I have in my head at research and video footage to validate my major concern of what's coming out. You can't tell us that a pandemic is coming out soon again unless you're the cohort that's causing it. But why are they doing it? You know, I talk about depopulation and not to do it in a scary tactic, fear-based manner. The information that God gave our team of over 20 people is to help pound the pavement for the end times to be used fully by him with a healthy immune system, a clear conscience. Working as a family unit to cross that finish line well. But we also talk about cyberbullying. We talk about school choice and the corruption with that.

Trying to think of some MRNA and food. We have a whole series coming up, geoengineering, homeschooling, kids that are doing great things for the Lord. So we had an entrepreneurial type theme with young kids, 12, 13, 14 years old, starting businesses. So it's not just doom and gloom with Jesus, of course, winning in the end. But we do a lot of topics to help encourage the families and raise their kids in a God-centered environment. Answering a ton of questions at churches today just are not answering. For a whole host of reasons, that's a whole other show. But we care deeply for kids, for families.

We want to expose the culprits for sex trafficking, and we always give back. so we allow our guests to come on the program and talk about what's happened to them or what ministry they started so other people can donate towards their causes so we can once again finish the race well with the time we've got left, which I don't think we have much time left. Let's go. We have an app, counterculture mom app, that's a must. It's five bucks a month. We blast to the masses insight and insight info from the Hollywood Hills that I still have a team of people out there sending me dirt ahead of time so we can let parents know what you want to. run from for entertainment for your kids and it's not even considered entertainment and the positive stuff that's out there so from video games tv shows websites apps social media info film all of that we

pump to pound out to the masses the good stuff you want to grab your kids and the stuff you want to run from and it's all in that counterculture mom app with like a hundred affiliates and a bunch of great discounts parents love you do all you do all this with four kids and and homeschooling wow this is impressive. I have a team of 20 people. That's why I wear hats. I lost half of my hair in the process, but I still want to cross that finish line. But we have a team of 20 and they do such a phenomenal job and it's scary. But a lot of them, we think alike to a point where I'm like, we haven't been cloned, right? We're not cloned. Because we're anti-clone around here. But parents can download the app. They can check out our show at counterculture mom.com. We do four

episodes every week on a different topic. And it's a perfect puzzle. We put a together and we're on 600 radio stations each week, AFR, CSN, and about 40 other platforms, podcasts and 20 different TV platforms. So we're trying to get this out to the masses to save as many lives as possible. I love it. I love it. That's awesome. Yeah, you've been busy.

I remember you just went on tour and then thank you for making time for us today because I know we kind of botched up. You guys rock. Thank you. Thanks a lot for today. It was fun. Good to see again. Yes.

Thank you. Keep me posted. When this ears, let me know, we'll post it out there. Okay. Sweet. All right. Talk to you guys soon. All right.

All right. Good to see you, too. Bye. Bye.