Blurry Creatures - EP: 194 Confessions from The Bigfoot Museum with David Bakara

Episode Date: September 27, 2023

This week we welcome David Bakara the founder of Expedition: Bigfoot! This seven thousand-square foot Sasquatch Museum tucked away in the Blue Ridge mountains of Georgia has an amazing array of bigfoot exhibits and artifacts collected from all over the world. This top-notch roadside family attraction brings in all walks of people--many who’ve had their own bizarre personal experiences and often they share them with David. We sit down with the prominent Bigfoot expert of the South and he shares some of the weirdest and wildest tales that he has heard over the years.  Intro song: Over The Wall by Thomas Barrandon  guest: https://www.expeditionbigfoot.com contact: [e-mail] blurrycreatures.com  Socials instagram.com/blurrycreatures facebook.com/blurrycreatures  twitter.com/blurrycreatures  Music Kyle Monroe: tinytaperoom.com  Aaron Green: https://www.instagram.com/aaronkgreen/  Mastering: ironwingstudios.com  Outro Song: TimeCop1983: timecop1983.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Luke so often, people email us and they have this story. They're out in their woods and they're looking in the bushes. and they go, what's that? And when you are pouring your dog food and your dog's bowl, that's the last thing you want to say. What is that? What is the stuff coming out of this bag? You know, I don't think a lot of us think about maybe what we feed our dogs.

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I wasn't even, he wasn't even armed. And this thing was looking at him with murderous red eyes, putting the fear of God name, but it never took a step. It let him go. It happens over and over and over again. And it's almost as if there's a rule, though some of them break that rule. There's a rule that they're not supposed to hurt us.

It took me a long time to hear the same pattern over and over before I realized, Jesus, they're all saying the same thing, like this thing wanted it. That's not away. I mean, sometimes I look at you with pity. I've talked to guys who saved their wife, pulled him, drowning out of the creek, reached in, snatched him out, threw him up and looked on and smelled him and just stood up and walked away. And there are the other stories of the subset of these things that really don't like us. And maybe it's for good reason. I don't know. It seems like there is an unspoken rule. When I say that, when I'm really telling you,

there's another party involved here. There's them, there's us, and there's the rulemaker, the one that's in the shadows that has told these things. Don't mess with the humans. Just leave them alone. If you see them walk away and they'll do that, but sometimes they just, they look at you, they want to murder you, give you the murderous look before they turn to walk away. But something stops up. There's some kind of a rule that they're not allowed to break, and that means, in my opinion, There's another party involved. The history of our earth is so different from what we can imagine. The Smithsonian that if they found out about a large skeleton somewhere was to go get it.

I'm going to assume at least one person is right, because if one person's right to bust the paradigm, it all goes back to the fallen chair. And the problem with the modern day church, they have a very truncated view of the supernatural. This backdrop is just pregnant. with all kinds of meaning associated with this Mount Herman event. And this guy defects from the kingdom. That's a big deal. Well, welcome back to the blurry verse.

We're all here. Luke's always trying to snite me. Luke just wants to chat. He just wants to be chummy and chatting. I'm like ready to go. I'm just like when you get all into it and then I just try to trip you up a little bit. Get you off the mark. You do.

I'm like, ready to go? Okay, we're ready to go on stage? And Luke's like, I forgot something. Like, what? we got to go out the show's the show's on right now just tuned to drop d we're playing metal look at you no one drop d uh but anyways thank you guys out there people have been telling everyone about our podcast so much that sometimes people are like hey everyone's coming into my my bigfoot museum talking about blurry creatures who are you guys what is this i got i got to come on your show

and that's what happened today so our people out there listening to show you guys are such it's just hardcore fans of what we're doing we don't understand it still but you Love it, and you tell people about it, so thank you, and this one's for you, because you've made this happen. Whoever is out there going to Bigfoot museums, you know who are. You are our tribe, you're our people. I'm glad to have you. Yeah.

Nothing like going to see all the fine things of the big guys left behind. That's right. It's kind of like going to go into Kinn Walker's freezer. You never know what you're going to find in there. No, I love it. People are so into this. They start museums, and we've yet to start the blurry creatures cafe, but it, who knows? Yeah, we do have coffee, though, Nate.

We do have coffee, yeah. We've partnered with valiant coffee. to produce some blurry creatures blends beans beans beans beards blurry creatures bone zone never we did we did we've we partnered with a a fantastic coffee company out of Northern California close to where we grew up Nate Valiant and we're doing some fun things so if you are a coffee drinker and you like your coffee just a little weird on the outside and good on the inside you head over to blurtiercrues dot com and check out our coffee project just something fun there's a

the UFO espresso blend. We've got sleepy Sasquatch for all of you decaf drinkers. No matcha yet, Nate. I know that's your thing. I'm waiting. Yeah. Mothman macha. Yeah.

We're ready for it. It's coming. That's right. Look at you. You're ready. I'm ready. Luke's just on brand today. I'm trying to be.

I got my Mike Heiser hat on. I'm just feeling blurry. You guys are fun out there. The show's grown a lot. You know, sometimes you just need to drink coffee because we get in trouble, Luke, whether we say something or we don't say something. just drink your coffee

coffee you say it best and you say nothing at all Nate now when people get mad and we don't say anything so what can we do

we're a lose lose situation here on blurry creatures but we're having fun I feel like it's a win win because you know we do Nate what

dude we go straight this is not this episode yeah we might be we might be going to the bone zone today we might do you never know when you go to the phone zone

all right all right yeah Lots of good stuff in the pipe. We got a lot of great shows. I think this month, last month we had eight episodes come out. Luke, the most blurry creatures episodes in one month. How do you feel?

New record. Blurred hard, man. Last month went to 11. Yeah. All the way up. Well, we have a brand new fall pre-sale for merch going right now. You can get some new hoodies, some crew necks. We got some vintage dyed crew necks.

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David Baccarra. So he's got just a mountain of stories. And we try to pick out some good ones. Yeah, a fascinating guy. ex-member of the BFRO in Florida if you've if you spent any time in the Bigfoot space you know they that there are chapters of Bigfoot researchers that all over the country you ever watched finding Bigfoot of course they haven't found him yet but the irony in that but they talk about the BFRO a lot in the local chapters there so so David cut his teeth if you will doing that and

you know he's a data guy as you said Nate like he's sitting on in archives in a compilation of collected stories for people that just come in you know find him and find him to be the ear that they want to tell the story. And I think it paints a very interesting story about this creature that we started this entire podcast. We're just talking about, hey, things don't really appear to be as we're told. And so David's a great guy.

He doesn't do a lot of podcasts. He's old school. He's got, he's a wealth of knowledge and we're excited to really tap into that today. All right. Let's get Dave on the show. David, how are you? Can you hear me?

Oh, there he is. I love that background. I want to hang out in your living room or office or wherever that is. I fired up my computer and, of course, Chrome on an update. And I got that done. And then Zoom on an update. It was like, man. Okay.

Dave, thanks so much for joining us. I'm Nate. I'm Luke. Hey, guys. Nice to meet you. And apparently a lot of our listeners have been hounding you. Yeah. Yep.

I love them. They're the greatest, the weirdest, the weirdest, bunch out there. We love them. Cool. Yeah. You came highly recommended. And I checked you out and I was like, wow, the guys got a lot of good stuff. Thanks. I heard you got a lot of good stuff as well. So this is just, this is the compilation of good stuff. All in one little virtual Zoom meeting. So great to have you. Thanks for reaching out and really excited to hear your story and stories. I have a few for it. Yeah. We're ready. We're laying on us here. Hey, we're pretty chill. We have, we have. We have

have fun. We try to make this exciting fun. We have a little bit of an 80s flare. That's our generation. So we market the show with a little bit of 80s. Yeah. I'm guessing you had some good times in the 80s, though. Yes, I did. I was a bartender. Hey.

Probably still got those leg warmers somewhere. That's right. And your last name is Baccaro. Is that right? That's right on. We're all right. I got it, Luke. Do you want to start the show or what, Nate? Yeah. We'll just hop in, Dave. I was just going to where you got where you guys are you from where you're broadcasting from

uh Nashville oh Nashville yeah either side we don't actually we're not city guys so Nate's Nate's little north and I'm south we're about an hour from each other cool I was actually it's funny we were talking to friends I was talking to everybody today who's like yeah so you Nate you guys get together and like no we've only ever done one episode in the same room and we're like 100 and almost 10 what are we at we know we did our we did our whole conference in the same Well, I mean, like an episode episode with our good friend Tony Merkel from the Confessionals, but that was in an actual studio. And so, you know, we're just middle Tennessee, generally speaking.

Great place to be from, my friend. What about yourself? I live in the mountains of North Georgia. I live on the top of a mountain. I get a little nervous when I have to go outside and lock my chickens up at the middle of the night. I forget to lock the chickens up because there's so many sighters around here. And one from a guy that was lock at his ducks up, I think about that. a lot. I just really don't want her one

me to one of these things in the middle. And I know they're up here. Thankfully. Oh, yeah. Oh, he's coming. He likes chicken. He's got a taste for it. He does. I do have a taste. I'll tell you a story about a family of them. I talked to a witness in South Carolina. Mother and father were standing outside the chicken coop. The little boy was holding up chicken and the little girl daughter, Bigfoot, was in the chicken coop.

Grabbing chickens handed his brother. The brother would have handed him to the mother. And the father was standing there. She's staring down the little girl. And she couldn't move until the little girl had got every chicken out and the mother and father's hands are full and then the mother walked off of the chickens that kids walked right behind her and the dad just stared but like just stared very just gave this little kid a bastard which i always found interesting why a seven foot powerful animal were like a child human that doesn't always happen but what would put the fear into a little human that has doesn't mean could never hurt

Like no threat. Yes. No threat at all, but they'll do that sometimes. So there's, for some of these things, they have a real hatred for us. It doesn't matter how old you are. Man. What a way to start, Dave. Yeah, I like that.

Out the, out of just coming in hot. You kicked it off. And David Baccarra, you're the curator of the expedition Bigfoot, the Sasquatch Museum, and the Blue Ridge Mountains of Georgia. And we love this because you probably have people coming in your doors every day telling you them wildest stuff. And probably people who, they, They've had some experience of their own, and they'd probably just drive by, and they're like,

I got to stop in here and check this out. And it's really cool. I was actually, the first Bigfoot Museum I went to was the one in Felton, California. Mike Rugg's place. I haven't been there, but I don't know of Mike Rugg. Okay. And I was in there for like an hour. All my friends were like, let's get out of here.

Nate, you're a nerd. I'm over this. And I'm, like, fascinated by this guy. He was talking for a while. But that's where we grew up in Northern California, which is Bigfoot country. And no idea that I would be doing a podcast about this stuff all these years later. But Luke and I started talking about Bigfoot. And then we started talking about giants in alternate history.

And we really, and then just got into a lot of heavy, deep, weird theology. And the show's kind of taken a life of its own. But welcome to the podcast. You can take this wherever you want. You can talk about whatever you want. We try to filter things through a biblical worldview. And, you know, that gets us into all kinds of different weeds. We do ask everyone on the top of the show.

What are your thoughts on Bigfoot? What do you think it is? And after all these years, tell us that and then get into your history and how you got into all this. I mean, that's actually a good question to start it off because normally if I asked somebody, or if it came up with a conversation, I'll talk to a Bigfoot and I said, so what do you think they are? And I do that a lot, especially when I talk to witnesses had maybe more than one encounter,

which is rare, but it does happen. So what do you think Bigfoot is? And if they tell me, oh, it's just an undiscovered, I'm done. I'm done talking to you. I'll be nice, but you're not going to tell me anything that I'm looking to know. And when I ask somebody, so what do you think Bigfoot is, especially to a seasoned researcher? He goes, that's the guy I want to talk to.

Because I've been doing since I was 12, consuming books and documents. A lot of the same stuff you guys watched. but when I became a investigator with the Florida chapter, the BFRO, I started getting in front of witnesses. It didn't take long, like maybe my second or third case when I was standing in front of a witness. He started telling me things. I was like, what? And so when I tell you what I think Bigfoot is, is not because I slept on it or I saw some effing movie.

It's because what I've heard over and over and over again. Let me show you something. hold on one second let me grab some yeah there's an lea morzile moment right here i know for those are listening david's pulling out his briefcase of bigfoot stuff probably i got a whole got a whole stack of these behind what are those david those are my uh witness reports we put at the museum oh wow behind me under under my computer thing i've got a stack of them about i don't know about 12 of them that's maybe two weeks worth the reports wow wow i have stacks of reports that i came and get to So when I tell you, it isn't because I read a book,

it's because I'm standing in front of people that are telling me things that they tell other researchers. But other researchers go, oh, he's just hallucinating. I told him a guy in front he is a police officer or his active military, or he's visiting because his military, his current military officer, his commander confided in something that he saw. So he came to the museum and told me what his commander saw. and just changes the whole view of reality. Sometimes it feels like when you get that phone bill,

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So this thing goes, it's funny you should have mentioned ancient civilizations and alternate history because all of it goes hand to hand. Bigfoot isn't a standalone subject like a lot of investigators, TV people would make you think, who are looking for this discovery. In fact, all these mysteries are connected and they're connected to a past that's hidden from us. All of it is hidden. And so when you, to answer your, the long answer to what Bigfoot is, it's exactly the opposite of what they're telling you. It is. All them TV people are telling you it's this rare relic comedy well if it's rare how come this lady over in and then Clayton Georgia saw one just outside just almost inside the city limits cooking breakfast

or the guy two miles down brought me a footprint he cast about two weeks before so fresh that the plaster was almost still wet or this other guy saw one hunt just outside town or this guy had someone carry off his chick carry off 50 pound bag of chicken a lot of these happened right The site city limits in Georgia, Tennessee, Kentucky, Florida. So how can these things be everywhere and nowhere at the same time? So I think the first hurdle people have to understand is that the sightings aren't rare at all. They're just rarely get to a investigator that has an output to get them to you. A lot of the guys, they get those sightings, they omit them, they clean them up,

and then they put them in a book. and if you don't read the book, his book, you don't get those sightings. All the sightings I get, I just put them free on my Facebook page. I don't think I should be making money on other people's sightings, basically. They give me for free. Bigfoot's not from around here. If he is from around here, he's from an ancient part of this earth that we're not aware of. And we're not aware of it because it's been hidden from us.

We're like, we're just like in elementary school, our brain's here. I've talked to people, I've seen them come and go. step into some sort of alternate reality, just come and go through a window that closes up behind it or step, step into a tree, hit a tree, and the tree kind of glistens. They walk into the tree and the tree goes out and then there's just a tree there. When you try to stomach all the sightings that come to us, and then you hear people say, ah, they're very rare. There's only a few.

You're like, oh, no, they're white, they're brown. They have a human face. They have eight face. And then you get into the whole. The whole, I'll tell you the thing that breaks the whole relic-competid ape thing down is all these dog man reports. Yeah. That the guys of the established researchers that are on TV anyway, don't want to talk about dog man. Because it blows the whole relicomid theory completely to pieces.

It demolishes it. This giganticiscus, which is just a made-up name. And the gigantipithecus model you see is nothing but just art work. somebody they found some teeth and some jaw fragments and they go i told the guy hey can he draw some giant ape yeah so you're a giant deep and they go well there it is they said no it's just a piece of artwork man they have no idea with this apeish thing with these these kind of teeth they have a little idea how long it lived maybe and maybe what it ate but they don't know what so to answer the long question what is bigfoot which is probably the most important question you can ask it's just not what

99% of us think of us. It's something much cooler, much more interesting they want us to think it is. I love that answer. It seems like there's varieties and species and different, you know, how many different types of Bigfoot creatures, you know, do you think there are? Because it definitely seems like there's a subset of them. Yeah, there's definitely. And then you ask yourself, how can they be so rare, but there's seven or eight species. And then we're not even talking about the dog man yet. We're some are eight feet tall, some don't have a tail. Some do have a tail. Some have a mane, some don't have a mane. It's like how many subspecies that Bigfoot is?

Probably seven to ten, I would guess. They would be a guess. But I think the more important thing other than subspecies is what is their behavior like? What is their thoughts about humanity? You know, how do they act? Are some of them nice? I've talked to people that this thing looked at it and I'm like, if you want to murder them, but it didn't. Something was stopping it.

It was me. I'll say I'm the witness. It was it. There was nothing in between us. He wasn't even armed. And this thing was looking at him with murderous red eyes, putting the fear of God name, but it never took a step. It let him go. It happens over and over and over again. And it's almost as if there's a rule, though some of them break that rule. There's a rule that they're not supposed to hurt us. And it took me a long time to hear the same pattern over and over before. I realized, Jesus, they're all saying the same thing. Like, this thing wanted it. That's not a way. I mean, sometimes I look at you with pity. I've talked to guys who are saved their wife, pulled him drowning under the creek, reached in, snashed him out, threw him up, and looked on and smelled him and just stood up and walked away. And there are the other stories of these saving people's life.

So they don't all hate us, obviously. Some of them feel sorry for us. Some of them just, like, want nothing to do with us. But there's a subset of these things that are really, really, really don't like us. And maybe it's for good reason. I don't know. It seems like there is an unspoken rule.

When I say that, when I'm really telling you, there's another party involved here. There's them, there's us, and there's the rulemaker, the one that's in the shadows that has told these things. Don't mess with the humans. Just leave them alone. If you see them, walk away. And they'll do that. But sometimes they just, they look at you, they want to murder you, give you the murderous. look before they turn to walk away.

But something stops them. There's some kind of a rule that they're not allowed to break. And that means, in my opinion, there's another party involved here. Yeah, it's interesting, right? It's almost like the uglier, the Bigfoot, the more mean they are, right? Yeah. Something about it. There's some of those ones that just look like they're, they just rolled out of like some bad woodstock

festival and they're covered in dreadlocks and they smell like garbage and they're ready to eat you. And then there's some that look like people, like a friend. And we've heard people say they, this one woman said she was canoe and she said she saw it when it was beautiful. She said she wanted to park her canoe. That was one of my favorite ones. It was like a beautiful Brad Pitt, Bigfoot, just out there on, they're sunny on the beach. You know, I just waiting for her.

I talked to a, I talked to a fisherman in South Carolina who found this spot he'd always wanted to go to. He had a hike through the woods to get there. And there was nobody around. So he got that early in the morning. He didn't smell anything. And he gets down to the creek and he's fly fishing. And he hears somebody coming. He's thinking, oh, man, somebody found my spot.

I thought there's really going to be like, no one's going to know the spot was here. And he can hear walking behind him, which just assumes it's another fisherman. And it stops. And he finally just turns and turns around behind him. And behind him up on the hill a little bit. He said, he said there was this big foot. And it was actually, it stopped. And the sun was hitting it.

And it was early in the morning. And he said, I could see the steam coming off the hair on this thing. It was almost like it had his eyes closed. And it was letting the sun. He was feeling it had come out of the woods and it come into the sun where the sun could hit it. And it stood there. And it would just be kind of like put his arms out like that. And it let the sun hit it.

And this thing was acting like, oh, it felt so good. But it didn't know this guy was this fishing. He was down there. He says, I'm looking at this thing. And he said the hair looked like it was clean. It was like bathed. And it was, he said, he said, they. he must have said it three or four times.

It was the most beautiful thing I ever saw. And I don't remember him telling me, actually, if it was a male or female, and I think it mattered at the moment. And he said, I was absolutely taken with this thing. He said, I actually had set my pole down, and he still did not know I was there. And he said, it took a couple steps towards it.

It was far enough away where I wasn't really advancing. I took so close by two, a couple steps, and I made it noise. I hit a branch or crack or something. It had stopped and looked at me. And he said, I put my hands up and I went, hey, take it easy. Take it easy.

And he says, and it's kind of got a panic. Look. And he said, this thing backed up against it. Took a couple steps behind it to a tree. And he says, this is exact words. He said, it backed up against the tree and try to blend in with the tree. I had to go. And this is a thing seven foot.

Trees round. Usually trees are dark. These things are reddish brown. I'm not really sure. And at the time, because one of my first reports, he said, to try to blend in with the tree. And when he realized it wasn't working, he said it turned and it tore off this hill.

He said it was like a turbocharged bulldozer. This thing just, and just you could hear trees crack and this thing ran up. And he said it got to the top and then it let out a roar. And then he could hear it run it off. He said, you think I would be so scared that I would have left? He says, I actually stayed there. And I was,

I was thinking about camping overnight there to see if it would come back. So I wanted to see it again because it didn't, didn't act aggressively or anything towards him. The point being, I just remember this guy saying, he must have said it three or four times. It was the most beautiful thing. And as a matter of fact, he was approaching. I think he even said something like, you're really beautiful, something like that. But yeah, just reminded me when you said.

Sounds like a made-for-TV romance movie. Yeah, maybe. Out in the woods, he saw something beautiful. Yeah, that's funny. No, but it's fascinating. Yeah. Like the variety of experiences people have with this creature, I think is, you're right. Like, you'll hold a gigantic antipithecus, this idea that there's this elusive ape.

And when you're saying that, I thought, you know, this is, to me, is really analogous to the UFO phenomena as well. And we're not going to go down that rabbit hole necessarily. But the idea that it's very rare. But then, you know, people have been collecting this for 20, 30, 40 years. Uphologists have been chronically in the same way the BFRO. and your colleagues and investigators, your, their colleagues and investigators have doing the same thing with Bigfoot.

This is happening at the same time. If you don't read the book, you don't know, you just say, oh, man, that's kind of, you know, wacky, all in the rednecks see the UFOs. And it kind of happens the same thing with Bigfoot, right? Only these, you know, all these rednecks are out there seeing Bigfoot, but then you realize that we've talked to tons of folks in the show. We had a top clearance, the Air Force officer who was on base in the 70s

and they had a big foot walk across the runway on, on a secure base that you can't get on, right? And so you started thinking about, when you said the neighborhoods, Nate had a childhood experience with a dog man in suburbia in his, in his backyard and looking in the window, these things start to break the paradigm, right? You go, there's too much weird going on here, and it's too many people and too many places that an elusive primate wouldn't be for this to be, you know, what I think is fascinating is the flesh and blood element too, right? You do have footprints.

Dr. Jeff Meldron, who is one of the, we had in the show very early on, is one of the biggest proponents of this elusive giant ape, you know, remnant ape, relic ape. I like that you say relic. I love that turn. The relic, it's a relic hominid, right? And he's got a butt prints and he's got thousands of footprints. And yet, you got to know, why can't you, where's the body? Where's the smoking gun?

Why, you know, like you said, why are people having, about Skinwalker Ranch? Why are people having experiences with orbs? We got, we got four, I don't know how many more episodes down the road, Nate. And we talked to Ron Moorhead about Sierra Sounds. And you go, man, there's like, orbs and lights and all kinds of kinds of. of weird things going on there and you go, there's something that way, way weird that surrounds this creature.

I want to ask you though, like you, there doesn't need to be benevolent Bigfoot, right? We have stories of David Politis missing 411 of kids spending 20 hours in freezing weather and shorts and a t-shirt with a big bear that took care of them, right? Or drowning, drowning children or people being saved, then you also have these things ripping trailers apart

and destroying. Perhaps we talked to early on Nate, it was Tom Seward about it, Bigfoot killing people and stuff, right? You have this sort of spectrum of weirdness. Yeah, it's all over the map. Like, who do you think, when you talked about that and sort of mentioned that, who or what do you think is essentially calling the shots when it comes to,

I don't know, raining in the behavior of the big guy? You know, that's really, that's a good question because that's who we should be really looking for. We go with the UFOs and we go with the big foot and we go with the dog men. But that's actually, when I give a presentation, the point I'm trying to, trying to make is though we're not we're never going to catch one of these things now it's not going to happen right if you if you found a body which i'm sure people have you better shut up because if you think the powers to be you're like you're going to let you drag this thing below the lid off this thing you'd be lucky if they don't come to your house and plant drugs or something worse in

your house and go hey you know we're going to have to arrest you if you don't shut up right but i think there's definitely a third party and i and i don't know who that third party is i've got suspicions, who the third party is, and I think they do a lot of directing here, and I think they've been here for a long time. I think they've been coexisting with us and helping us along, but I don't think there's, I don't think there's just one entity. I think there's several, and I think several of those entities are arguing, I want to say argue. I think they conflict with each other every once in a while about the direction humanity is supposed to go. I know it's deep, But I think that these big foots and dogmen are really a symptom of a much bigger program.

They're just one little aspect of a much bigger program. And that's what they're trying to keep us from learning. I don't know what it is. And sometimes I'm a regular guy. Like, I'm not a physicist. I'm not a scientist. I'm just a regular guy. I've been doing this for a long time.

But I have a wife and kids and grandkids that I enjoy. And my brain will let me be taken so much. and I go, man, I think I'll just go pick up the crank and take them for ice cream tonight. Yeah. 100%. Yeah, because you can go down some dark roads. Yeah, and I don't want to.

I've met enough guys whose life have really been. They get so deep in this. They lose everything. They lose their marriage. They lose their job. And because there's a lot of guys and gals out there like that. And when you realize this thing might be just too big for one person. Yeah, that's interesting because it's not a,

Well, you're taught that paradigm you're talking about is fascinating because when you're trying to solve enigmas, right? You're trying to solve these puzzles can become obsessive. And people get into this space where they, all they can think about and do and operate is try to solve this puzzle. And the reality, I think what you're saying is interesting because, you know, a lot of what we talk about on the show is it sort of falls in line with that. There are these powers behind the scenes that are in conflict with each other often and they're, and they have dominion over places on Earth and they're, and they have control. And there, perhaps there's a connection. And then I think what's interesting is the, is the, I think what we say on the show is the interdimensionality of this creature because there's enough, like we talked to John Redbird Dover on the Navajo, it was a 30-year ranger on the Navajo reservation. You talk about, it's even the Himalayan tracks, right?

You have these tracks that just disappear into nowhere. And it doesn't really make any sense. So that shouldn't happen. Not if you have a flesh and blood animal that's walking. It doesn't stop making tracks in the snow. It doesn't stop making tracks in the mud, but it stops, right? These are, and these are not, they're not just anecdotal in the sense of like they're singular. there's a lot of stories like this and you can cast all the tracks this is not this is not someone

just taking off the the bigfoot print you know fake hoax shoes and then it isn't that at all what a crazy funny bizarre world we can get into when we start talking about these things that are you know don't make sense in a lot of ways right as you try to unwrap these so I think you made a good point there's a perspective to this right you got to make sure that you don't in some ways you can get you can get sucked into the black hole it doesn't spit you out very often just like human beings can be loyal to dark forces and some human beings can be loyal to god then they're neutral human beings that seem to go about their lives and ignore it all I mean do you think the bigfoot creature could fall into these categories as well

with some of them are just neutral they sort of roam rogue just eating chickens just stealing sheep and chickens who knows they're not they're not loyal to anything yeah I think I think you're right I think there are some rogue ones and there's way more than a few thousand of these things. It's funny you should mention physical evidence like footprints because these things exist in places like New Zealand and Japan where they should not be there. New Zealand has been connected to a landmass for millions of years.

You tell me how these things have been there for millions of years on the island of New Zealand, which basically form from a volcanic eruption, that's what really made the island as big as it is a serious. of think three islands get the north island south island there's a couple of lying islands how how can there be a big foot there it's really impossible if they're there like a monkey maybe they sail maybe there maybe there's a bigfoot armada and they just took a little boat out there well let's face it everybody that is in new zealand arrived there by ship they did that's probably how they got there but doesn't necessarily mean it came there on a ship on the ocean a sailing ship yes

Correct. Exactly. Well, we talk about that all the time. There's, there's megalithic structures all over the world. There's evidence of giants all over the world. And so they were travelers. Bigfoot just hitched a ride on the back of the boat probably. Snuck in there, seven-footer. He could just tap on the old mast and, and, he just blended into the mast.

Yeah. It's like, you don't see me here. I'm just saying here. Well, David. You know, I've had this, I've had this, I've had this fascination. with the Yaron, the Chinese Bigfoot. And Dr. Emilio Estavis. Emilio Estesargeon.

From young guns? He's the... Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's the primatologist at the Smithsonian Institute, Natural History. Yeah. You've seen him while. He's been on a couple shows with Dr. Melch, super nice guy.

Well, his nephew came to the museum about two years ago and said, hey, you told me who his uncle was. and I was like, I'm far out of the name. I can't remember exactly how to say his name. Nice guy. Well, he comes to the museum about two months later. I just have to be at the museum because I'm not there every day. And I got a chance to meet this primatologist, world famous guy that's been on, I don't know, half a dozen important Bigfoot documentaries.

And he said, you know, when the Chinese came, when Nixon opened up, I was there. When Nixon opened up the trade doors with China, the Chinese came, Chinese scientists came to the Smithsonian out of the Museum of Natural History in Washington, D.C. And we were shown a few things around, and we got to the primate. And they seemed kind of anxious to ask us something, but they had to use interpreters. So we got to the room where all the primates were. And they said, he were talking about, he said, excuse me, excuse me, excuse me, excuse me, the Chinese. He wants to ask you a question. And the first question these guys wanted to know.

These are my skeletons you have here. Tell us about what you call Bigfoot, because we have the Yeran in China. Can we see those skeletons? That's the first thing they wanted to see was our Yerems, aka Bigfoot. Smithsonian was like no dice, not happening. That of talent. Yeah, we know what you're talking about. Sure.

You don't have it because we have them in China. we just assume because you're Americans, you get all this money and this amazing museums, which they didn't have in China at the time. This was about late 70s, I guess, early 70s. Yeah, we don't have. And they were like so disappointed. But that was the first thing when they want the Chinese want to see because the Chinese don't have their skeletons. The Australians don't have the skeletons from the Yawi. The Africans don't have the skeletons from their giant hominid that's reported in Africa.

They don't have the skeletons in Japan. They don't have the skeleton. Do you get my drift right here? How can they be everywhere? Millions of years of history. It's one thing that we don't have a skeleton for the ones six million years ago. It's one thing we don't have the skeleton, one that just died yesterday. But where's all the skeletons in between Jack?

Where's all those generations of boys and girls and those branched off? Where's the six? Where's the seven for those nine? footers. Where are all that mountain of skeletons on every continent that they're there now? And if they're there now, that means they were there before. Or is that whole lineage?

They don't have them. So if that isn't unusual... Dave, where are they? They go somewhere to die. They just knock on that tree and they just leave. You've got to be a museum. That's where they are. They're in the museum. Yeah. Well, no doubt a few of them exist. A few of those remains do exist.

Just because we don't get to see them, doesn't mean somebody doesn't have them. They're a scrolled away. somewhere. That's probably where some of them are, but they're not going to hide a million of them. Yeah. Or a thousand of them. They might have. So strange. Or 50. We'll never see. So strange. Yeah. I guess those monks in Tibet, or I think it's Tibet, have the skull of one. They've got the Bigfoot toupee. Yeah, they put on his hair every once in a while and do some stuff with it. Well, David, I think our listeners are probably itching to hear you say. Like, you've heard all these stories, all these years. And I've been kind of in the Bigfoot.

space for the last 10 years, 12 years of my, and then three years into this podcast, there's always those one or two stories that just rattle you. You've heard everything. But then there's someone comes in and tells you something and you're like, I have never considered or heard or even pondered this. What are some of the maybe two or three that just left you kind of scratching your head and you had to take a break and close the shop for the day and just wander? Yeah, I have a couple of those stories. Let's tell you my second. to the strangest story. And that happened actually right here in Alton. I've had so many, when I moved up here, there was only one incident in the BRO database up here. Once I moved up here,

I was like, yeah, it's a nice place to live in the mouth, but there's no big foot. As soon as I built the museum, I put the sign up front, it started. The local started coming in. And I realized, oh, my God, there's all these stories that are unreported where there's a mountain if I'm up here. And some days I'm there to hear them and sometimes I'm not. But I was saying actually having a conversation in the lobby with another researcher. And this couple came in, went through the museum, came back out. On their way out, they heard us talking. They said, hey, if you want to hear some crazy Bigfoot story, I need to talk to my mom.

And this guys were in their 60s, probably. And I thought, Mom, she must be in her 80s, right? And some of the older Bigfoot stories, I don't know why they just seem to be the best. And I go, what happened? And this guy told me a story. It wasn't a long story. And I was looking at this other research. I'm like, this guy's pulling my leg right.

He was not pulling my leg. He says, when I was before I was born, my mother and my dad lived in a little cabin over here in Ellison. And this probably would have been 65 years ago. Before I was born, my older brother was a little baby. And he says, my mother and father were sleeping. And my older brother was in a crib in a separate bedroom. He says, that's before we had, I think, I don't know if he didn't. had like laches or something on the windows,

or they didn't have screens of the, so what this would have been, I guess, in the 50s, the 60s, early 60s, I guess. And she says, the mother sticks into the baby's room, opens up the door, walks to the baby's room to the shock of her life. He said, what are these wood bookers?

That's what they call them up here. Had crawled into the window, into the baby's room. And it was a female, and she was trying to nurse the baby. She had the baby out of the crib. She was trying to breastfeed the baby. The mother screamed.

The female Bigfoot dropped the baby into the crib. Thank God it was ready to the crib. And then leapt out the window was gone. I heard that before from a Native American story from a Native American story. And we were looking at you like, this guy's going to shit, right? And he wasn't. I said, is your mother still alive? And he said, yeah.

I said, can you ask her if she would come in so I can get the whole story from her? He said, yeah, her brains are all to the other, but she's not very strong. She walks with a walker. I'll do my best. He has not brought her in, but he told me her name. He got to be his name. So everything from the guy told me was completely shit. And I don't know why he would tell me his wife was whether make up a story.

Nobody was laughing. So that's one of the unusual stories to hear a female trying to nurse a baby. Yeah. And the strangest story. And I still think about the story. sometimes because it has frightening implications that actually start to connect some pieces, uncomfortable pieces, and you'll know why I want to tell you. I had this guy come in three years ago.

I think he had gone through the museum, but he had come back. He was an older guy. I say older. He was probably in the 70s. I'm 60. At the time, I was about 58, I guess. He comes out. It's him, his wife, his son, his son's daughter, and then three grandkids.

So he's got the whole family room. And he's leaving. He says, can I talk to you for a second? I said, sure. And we're busy, man. So unfortunately, he caught me at a time where I was just me and my wife. And I'm doing the talk and talking to people. So I don't have a lot of time at this moment to talk to this guy.

So he says, told me his name. He says, I used to live right here. I was raised right here at LJ up on Toloma Ridge. I know where that's at. There's a big RV park up there right now. He says, when I was about 16, I used to live on a farm. And my neighbor, kid next to me, I knew him from school, but I didn't know him real well. So I had a farm, and then my neighbor, which wasn't right next door, it was just down the road a little bit,

was this kid, I knew him from school. And then we all went to school together. So I think he was about 16, 17 at the time. So he said, one night I had a, I bought a van, like a custom van, but it was a van. And he says, we go up to the top of Tolona Ridge. It's me, I'm driving, these two girls, these two sisters, and they told them, to you told me their name. Now, as he's telling me this story, anytime somebody's telling you a story,

I'm looking at him, but my peripheral vision, I'm looking at the wife, I'm looking at the kids, I'm looking at who he's with, the judge, if they're elbowing, hey, he's getting ready, he's getting ready to get the big one. But now that was going on,

which is believing it doesn't happen very often. Almost never. So this guy's telling me, and his kids, they're all like, they're like a front. Like, my grandpa's about to tell you a story. Say something stupid. That kind of front.

So I noticed that was coming, that they were like stand in it because grandpa was finally getting ready to chill some of his story. So he says, where we get up at the top, he said, we had a little cooler of beer, but we hadn't even to crack the beer shit. So I'm in the driver's seat. One of the sisters are sitting in the seat next to me. My neighbor kid, I didn't know very well. I knew him. We didn't really hang out a lot, but he was with us. And he was behind me in the seat that runs parallel, perpendicular to the wheelbase.

And across from him was the other sister. She was sitting at a little bench by the doors. And then I had another buddy. He was sitting all the way in the back. So it was five of us. And he said, we just parked. We weren't there that long. It wasn't dark.

It was getting dark. So it was enough peripheral light that could see. They were talking inside the in the van. And so he's talking to the girl in this chair next to him. And as he's talking, her eyes looked behind him. And all of a sudden, her eyes get huge. She's got this look at terror on her face. And he's looking at her thinking, what in the world?

So he turns around and looks in the chair behind him and where this kid that he didn't know very well was sitting. There was now this giant eight man sitting there. The whole van is a complete pandemonium. She's screaming. Here's her sister who's sitting right across in this thing. She's screaming. The guy in the back, he's trying to open up the doors to get out. Complete pandemonium.

And when he turns on or looks at this thing, this thing is doing. in this. It's not just sitting or it's got a panic look on its face. Either like it's, they see me or, uh-oh, something's wrong. I did something wrong. So this big thing's got this panic look on his face. He says, I'm not even thinking where this thing came from. He says, I'm bailing out of the car. I reach for my door handle to bail out of my van. And he said, my hand accidentally hit the interior lights. Now all the lights come out of the van. And the thing is gone. And there's the neighbor kit back in the place. where this thing is now and it's doing this same thing it's looking around the kids now looking

around like what what what's the matter what did you see and uh he said we we got everybody settled down we left i dropped the girls off drop my the kid off drop my neighbor off i don't remember what that and unfortunately i did not ask him because there were so many people around my brain was just trying to take this in i didn't ask him if this thing was wearing clothes i have taken reports of big foot's wearing clothes so unfortunately i didn't get to ask this guy if it was wearing the kids clothes if it was just all hairy, just nothing but hair. He said, I went home. The next day, these two girls, these two sisters, they didn't show up to school.

He says, I finally caught up with the two sisters a month later. And their mother, they couldn't sleep. They were terrified. Their mother had to take the two sisters to a psychologist down at Atlanta to get some help. So these girls could handle what they saw. My neighbor kid, within 60 days, a family packed their crows. crap and they were gone. They left. Wow. So he left me with that story and there's people waiting behind me to talk to me and my brain just gone.

You're like, what is that now and since then. Yeah. I've talked to other people. I talked to a guy, people who saw have seen these things wearing clothes. Bigfoot's either wearing tattered clothes older clothes, Bert Nuttley's mother. So I dogged me and staring at hair through the window wearing an old white blouse. When you hear that stuff, then I've talked to people that have seen. seen witness that have seen animals turn into people, people turn into animals. And we start hearing this stuff. Of course, if you hear the first one, you're like, oh, okay. And the third one, and that guy told me that story, wife and family who's standing next to him. And he said, I don't care what you do with this. I don't care if you believe me. He said, I'm getting old. And I'm not going to

be around much longer. And I had to get it off my chest. And he told me the girl's names and everything. Wow. But he didn't leave out names and dates. Of course, at the time, it wasn't writing anything down. I was just trying to remember this whole story. The best story stuck with you for a long time. I laid my head down at night thinking, oh, man, right? We all hear about shapeshifters. And I didn't used to give that a lot of weight. But now I don't dismiss those thoughts like I used to about shapeshifters.

You know, this might, we interviewed two ladies who had gone through satanic ritual abuse, which is not, it's not the most fun thing to talk about. on our show, but it's heavy. It's heavy stuff. These, these kids get groomed. They go to these seances in the middle of nowhere. It's the stuff that, you know, you hear about, you grow up in the church, either your church is completely asleep to this, or there are people actively trying to educate you on how dark the world can be and what goes on with all these. But she said in that interview that they were taken into this cave, and she said this person transformed into like, a bigfoot creature and was going to eat somebody else in this cave.

And I remember at the time going, I don't think I've heard a lot of those stories, but that was her story. And that was like something that they said on the podcast that, you know, inside some of these caves or some of these things. And they do, they can transform. We've heard some really wacky stuff on our show that maybe a couple years ago, I would have been like, dude, I don't, I don't, I think that person is just telling you, you know, making something up.

But the amount of stuff we've heard just, it just defies the laws of everything that we kind of understand how, how this all works. And, you know, I saw a dog man in the window of my parents' house as a kid. It was like just this werewolf face. And the way I remember I saw it was because I would run from one corner of the house to the other corner of the house for years. I wouldn't look out that door in the backyard. And we were in a suburb of Sacramento.

And then we got a Facebook message. and a girl grew up like down the street and she saw the same thing by a light pole out of her front window. And we're near the American River, so there could be some trail for this thing to move and go. But my question is, are these things arriving on UFOs? Are they coming and going? Because there's a lot of stories with Bigfoot UFOs, islands. How do they get around the world? Some people say they've seen them get in and out.

What's the connection to these cryptic creatures and a mechanism of traveling like a UFO. We don't have to talk aliens. We can just talk. Do, are they, are they, are they, are they, are they, are some connection there that you, you've heard a lot more of? Stan Gordon seems to think so. You feel me with Stan Gordon? A little bit, not a lot. Yeah. So he, he was just a strictly a UFO guy. And until the 70s, when he started getting reports of UFOs the same place as Bigfoot's were. And then it got it, it got into, uh, the state police were seeing them and the state police were calling them. They were confirming that the bigfoot's and the UFOs are being seen the same place. Sometimes people will see the UFO land. And out will come bigfoot's, two bigfoot.

Now, these things did not appear to be in control of the craft. They didn't seem to be super intelligent. They were almost like some kind of primitive foot creature, which is I really think, and all in all what these things really are. They're just a gopher for somebody else. Grunts. Yeah. And so I think when people, and the adhesive. He's got, I don't know how many stories of Bigfoot's associated with craft. Remember, there's one story I heard that had a profound effect on me. It wasn't something I read in a UFO book. I'm trying to remember if it was Timothy Good, it was his book or if it's one of Stan Gordon's books.

I can't remember, but it was a guy who saw, he was, I think he was hunting or in the, he was in the woods at some point. I did camping and saw a bright light, approached the bright light. It was a UFO that had landed with a bright hole. And he walked up, didn't see anybody around. And he walked up to, he. He was going to put his hand on the shield, and this thought came into his head. Do not touch the craft.

Step back from the craft. So he stepped back, and then he heard his words. He said, watch. And out from the woods comes a big foot, walking. Comes right up to the craft. And as if by some force that it didn't have any defense against, it put his hand on the craft. This thing just like dissolved, like whatever it was. killed the big foot. And he said to watch the whole thing happen. And they said, see, don't touch

the craft. And that had effect on me because they treated that like it was just a disposable foot zoner. It wasn't important. It was just a biological thing that they used for something. And it was disposable. It was expendable, very expendable, obviously, if it was just making a point. Of course, I can't, I can't say that that story was true. But it was in a book I was reading. And it was by an author that I trusted. And it kind of goes along with all the other things where these things probably do travel back. And I know they travel somewhere. But I don't think they're the, I don't think they're the apex that we're thinking of it.

Well, I mean, the reason I ask you, Dave is because all these years listening to Bigfoot encounters and even just listening to some of your experiences, it's almost as if they're as confused as we are sometimes. Because it's like they don't, it's not like they've been there watching us for a long time. like, where am I? What am I doing? There's this confused, like they just got dropped off somewhere. And they don't know where there. It's like someone drops you off in backwoods, France, and you're an American kid. You don't even know what the language is. You don't know where you are. You don't know how to eat. That's how it's so many of those stories, it seems like they're just, they don't know where they are. They don't even know what's going on. That is a great observation. And you're absolutely right. And a matter of fact, that thought is across

my mind several times. One of her reports of these things standing next to the road. I interviewed a Georgia biologist who saw one in Middle Georgia. And remember who she was coming up to. It was on the road. She was driving. She started with just some, a guy standing there with a fur coat. And she's thinking, summer, why would a guy? She gets closer, closer.

This Georgia biologist realized what she's looking at. She's, David, I just throw right next to it. It was right outside my window. I was like, oh, oh, so I was, you know, what did it look like? And she goes, I don't know. And I go, what do you mean you don't know? She goes, I was all I could do to hold my car on the road. I look straight ahead.

She said, I was so scared. I didn't want to look at it. But I've heard these stories where they're standing on the side of the road. They step in front of a car like they didn't know what a car was. And other stories where they're frightened. I'm sure you've all heard the story of a Bigfoot running around the highway somewhere in Texas. And it was trying to dodge the cars. It was like almost like it had just been dropped off there, didn't know the program.

And a lot of stories I hear is the same thing. They act like they don't know the program. Like they're a fresh arrival. I haven't learned how it works yet. So yeah, that observations occurred to me as well. Yeah, they show up in a van. And then it's like Harry and the Hendersons and said everybody goes to therapy. Right?

I mean, it's wild. And also, you know, Nate, you're talking about the UFO phenomenon, but there's also, as we kind of talk about the UFO phenomenon. about earlier, there's so many odd stories about, whether it be called portal opening up or them sort of just dematerializing or stepping into, you talk about the trees opening up, it sounds like lower the rings or something, but you have these, these really wild stories of these things just disappearing, you know, as people try to, some try to shoot them with firearms and they're just, they're just gone or they talk to all those guys. They've shot him at point black. Yeah.

It doesn't fall down, doesn't flinch. Well, it sounded like that one that backed up to the tree. It was almost like it was trying to put on its camouflage and it wasn't working. Like predator. Yeah, the predator button was jam. He didn't say, he was said the tree wasn't big enough. So whatever was doing, it couldn't shrink itself. It was, you know, so that's the point he said it wasn't working because it was much bigger than the tree. The last, the last guy we interviewed about Bigfoot, he was in a cabin at night and they were out on a hike and he said he was laying in his cabin at night. And Bigfoot comes up to the cabin and puts, takes over his brain, gives him the vision from the Bigfoot's point of view watching him earlier in the day in his family.

And I've heard mind speak and I've heard visions. But this guy basically said the Bigfoot gave him a vision of seeing him walking with his family down the trail. And then he could kind of hear it communicating with him. Do you get those stories a lot where they're speaking communicating? It's probably so outside of the box. Some people probably feel it's too traumatic probably. So probably the third story I got, the third witness I got to interview when I was at B.R. Fro, by the way, I was at Florida BFRO investigator and I quit because they wouldn't, they wouldn't print what the people were telling me. Oh, we can't print that. Why? Well, that doesn't fit the box. I'm like, I'm not in a box. I'm here to investigate and I tell you what people get to disseminate the information to think for yourselves. That is not what's happening. It's hard to control the narrative when you do that, isn't it? It's real tough. Yeah. When you let everybody,

say the truth. It's hard to control that. Is that some kind of like CIA thing? Or is that just like they don't want to... They're just afraid. They're just afraid people won't take him seriously. It's more of a pride thing, I think. Okay. No, they won't take us seriously already. We're going to tell them about UFOs and changing the dog, man.

They won't, I'm like, I don't understand. If you're here to tell the truth and that's where I'm here, I'm here to tell the truth. I don't give two shits what people think about me because when I'm older and I'm facing the big guy in the sky, I didn't hold nothing back. So, but the third guy I interviewed, when it comes to mind speech, we're talking about it, just punched me right in the mouth. I think this was the first, first time that they would publish it. They maybe said it out.

Yeah, he was a young kid, and he was just outside Ocala, I think. And he had to take the garbage out. I'll make the story short because it's what happened. It was the most important part. It was like really early morning, 7.15, the son just come up. He had to go to school, and his mom says, take the garbage out. So you had to get the garbage, walk back along the side of the house,

take it to the big can of the back of the house. It comes around the corner and there's a bear bent over eating garbage out of the garbage can. And he says, I stop, I freeze. I'm looking at this thing. I'm thinking, that's a big bear, man. All of a sudden, this bear becomes aware of the kids standing behind him. He said, the weird thing is, I didn't make any noise. I just look at it.

All of a sudden, it knew I was there. He says, it stands up now. It's not bent over. I'm like, this thing is big. And it turns it looks to me. He says, I look at it. it right in the eyes i lock eyes with it then there's a pause and he goes and then i went back in the house i was like oh wait a minute because i've heard the stories like you lock eyes with this thing

sometimes people hear or see things or get a feeling it relates like maybe it's emotions i said what happened when you locked eyes with it that's what i want to me he says yeah i don't feel comfortable talking about that i said well tell you what once you just sit man to man sometimes it's easier or say to email them to talk about it so once you just tell me what happened to email He said, okay, I'll do that. So next morning, ding, there's an email, and I'm just a new investigator, kind of a newbie. Do, do, do to open it up. And that paragraph, what he sent me changed my trajectory.

He said, David, when I looked at this, he's only 12 years old. He says, I'm not into science fiction. I'm just a normal kid going to school. I guess this would have been back in that late 70s. He says, this thing looked in my eyes and this thought jammed into my head. It wasn't my thought, right into my head. two sentences that said, you, man, are not of this world planet. He put the parentheses, you and then he put man are not of this world in parentheses planet. And that's what jammed

into his head. And then it just turned around and walked off. And he said, when it wasn't looking at me, I was unfrozen. I ran back in the house. And I call him back up. I said, you don't want to tell me this. I don't want to tell me that. But I'm telling you that's exactly what happened. And he said, it changed my life because I didn't come from a very like a really bookstress. smart family. He says, after that happened, I consumed theology books. I consumed philosophy. He sent me books, all these really, these very interesting books that I didn't, I wasn't into theology. But he says, I'm like the only one of my family that's like this. It all started from that moment when that thing jam that thought into my head, you man are not of this world planet.

And anyways, I put that on my report. Of course, they weren't interested in that. And then somebody, Somebody hit a young dog man and they didn't want to put that out there. I was like, what am I doing? I'm not here. It's not what I'm here for. That is, wow, that's fascinating. What do you think the dog man is? Because it seems to be a little bit harder to nail down than like the Bigfoot experiences.

Stephanie's wearing the Seinfeld puffy shirt and then you go. Yeah. Yeah, I know. The earlier story reminded me a teen wolf, just a bunch of guys in a van. All of a sudden, someone gets all hairy. That dog man, that's the antithesis, that's the enemy of standard mainstream bigfooter. They don't want to talk about it. I have a half a dozen guys that won't talk about it, not into their lectures, it's not into books.

I'm like, how can it not be? They're practically brothers, if not cousins, you know, seven feet tall, run like the wind. Both are reported and have glowing eyes. How can two extremely similar creatures have the say of the same? an impossible human attribute of the lying eyes. And they're not related. So anybody, any big footer that doesn't take dog manager account, I don't have anything to do with it because he just rehashed the same old garbage.

What is dog man? Man, I honestly, I don't know. I know there are a lot of good people see him and not only do good people. Are you familiar with the Martin Grove story? Yeah, yeah. Jeez, that guy, huh? Land between the lakes out here, right? Yeah.

you know what a punch the mouth that was for that guy to not only see this him and his buddy wasn't alone then and then realized the next morning he had killed a guy he just met to hunter and then his own law enforcement comrades basically were going to get him fired if he didn't shut up and stop talking about it and you know how do you like how'd you like that i mean i saw too big for standing behind a tree it was interesting but like i wasn't threatened and nobody was threatened to fire me for my job. So guys like Martin Gross, they go through some serious personal hell. He's got to live with that story for like 18 or 20 years or something. And to think that he's not, I'm sure he ain't the only one that saw one in the military or the force service or police officer. They told him

to shut up if you like your job. And then you know they're selling passes, hunting passes to go to the same part where these things are at. It's almost like they're ringing the dinner bell. Ding, ding, ding. Come on. We can sell your passes at campground. you know so when we ask what why don't they tell us about it because of course if they told us the truth about these creatures it would be a complete pandemonium but the absolute panic and i'm sure over the past few years you've seen a little panic in their lives you know what i'm talking about some people they take fear at a whole other level they don't even think about reality if somebody called me they have called me hey i got one of these on my property

I shot it when I was deer hunting. I found the area where it was like squirm around, but it wasn't there. If it comes back, I'm going to shoot him. You help me, mark the body. I said, hell no. I said, if you kill one of these things, don't even call me. I don't want to be on your call list. I said, if you think you're going to be famous, you're not.

You may be famous because they're going to find the biggest hall of cocaine in your house. And you're going to take you off to jail if you don't do what they tell you to do. So I'll let people know. Like, if you have a body, don't call me. I like my life. I'll share these things with other interested parties, but the general public, you know, everybody, you better be careful where you step.

So, yeah, that's how you end up like what the Clintons and the Obama chefs. And just, what an accident, an accident there. Yeah. Yeah, it's, no, I want to ask you about the dog man, because I think when you talk about connecting it to and how important that is, You run a Bigfoot museum. Like, how often do you have people come in and talk about other cryptids, especially how, like, or how often particularly do you have dog man stories?

Because I think you're right, it's a fascinating story. We've talked to a few folks. I've got four. I've got a follow-up on right now. Just over the past month. Drop some of these on us. Because I think this is the weirdest paradigm, right? Because you have this sort of huge werewolf-type creature.

I was uh and I run into these people they don't kind of be sometimes I as I wear my shirt I've got my your beacon day you're a beacon so I I'll just go pick up a couple bales of hey and the guy I'll come out oh do you work over that big foot museum yeah hey can I tell you a story I'm like oh okay here you and I went to go pick up some um hey some straw from the co-op is a kid that's loading up tells me he's hunting over here in the Morganton with his dad on their own property. He says, I'm hunting. My dad is flushing deer towards me. And I can hear something come through the woods.

And it's like, that ain't a deer. That sounds like a bearer song, really busted a lot of trees down. He said, it busts out in front of me. He says, what I'm looking at doesn't even belong on this plane. He said, it looked like, it was about as tall as me. He said it was about five. he's like about five six so it wasn't huge he was running on oh he was running on four he made a sketch from him he said even though it was running on four legs it looked like its legs were long enough for it

could easily stand up said when it was running it's more like bounding like it could walk on two legs but to get speed it really run in the woods and it dropped down and out fours he said they had this long bushy tail he said that was one of the things there remember about this thing it's this big powerful, bushy tail it had. So it was like, and he said the coloration, even though it had like a wolf face,

he said more like a baboon face, but he said the coloration was like a raccoon. It looked like a raccoon, just the colors of the fur and the mane coming off it had the colors of a raccoon. There was a cryptid. I don't know what that is. Yeah.

And then, oh my God, and there's another dog remit report. I just finished talking to the guy, 20 year Air Force, And then he went to the National Guard, retired the National Guard. And he was hunting over near Savannah, Georgia.

And he's walking along the road. He's looking at his GPS, his deer hunting. He's been, you have a rifle? Rifle? He had a bow. He's walking with his boat. And he's looking, he looks at his app. And he stops to look at his hunting app because he can see where the marina,

where the lakes, the pons are at. So even though he's on a walking, it's not a road road. It's just a bush hog trail wide enough for a truck. to drive on. He says, I'm walking. He said, I just looked at my phone. This is important. I put my phone away. I took a step. And he said, usually when I put my phone away, I always take a glance behind me. He said, look behind me. He said, right behind me off the trail standing on the edge of the trail is something that's as tall as me. I said, how close is it? He said, he's ex-military. He said, three paces. Three paces about 30 inches for a man. That means 90 inches. So about eight feet away.

eight feet away is all this thing is he said it's as tall as me it's got the head of a like a german shepherd but it's narrower and he said it's got shoulders i can see but it's not standing on it's not like it's a dog standing on it's not standing on anything it's standing up i said i couldn't see it from the knees down because the grass was too high he says i absolutely just froze and he says this thing did not look at me like you wanted to kill me he said i stared at it and he said it looked like it was just interested in me. Like, I didn't get the impression that wanted to hurt me. And the next thing I said, I turned around.

I started walking back to my truck. He says, but my heart, I can hear my heartbeat in my ears. I'm so scared. And the reason I told you about this, it's important, he just put his phone away. He gets, as he's walking back the dirt on the walk, he can hear every step and he can hear this thing pacing them about 10 feet behind him, real soft in the woods, following him in the grass. he thought, I think this thing's going to kill me. I just know it.

And there's nothing I can do about it. So he gets about within 50 feet of the asphalt road where struck his park. He can't hear it anymore. He says, it took all the military bearing I had to keep it together because he said, my heart was, and this just happened this past January. And he's 70, I think he's 71 years old. He said, my heart, I think I'm going to have a heart attack. So I got struck. I think he told his wife about it, but he said it wasn't huge.

It was as tall as me. And that just happened to generate in Savannah. It's a super nice guy. And I've got two more dog wearing reports. I have yet to follow up on. I still have to call up to call the people. So you asked me how many I get. Dude, I have stacks of these things.

I've got stacks, stacks of people. I try to get to the more important ones. I can't call the people that think they heard something, heard a distin how. Yeah. I can't talk to all those people. But anybody that's had an eyeball, sighting anywhere, I don't care what state of this. I'll usually try to get him, try to call back to me.

Dude, there's lots. Man, I mean, I wonder how many of those dog man stories. They don't live to tell the tale, you know? That's probably. David Polite's work is extremely. I'm sure you know David Polite's work. He doesn't talk about dog man or anything like that. Best of my knowledge, but I'm sure his work parlayes

into these cryptids as well. Yeah, some of these stuff like. I mean, giants? Can you talk about, like, do you get any, like, weirder ones, like, Mothman stories or any of the more bizarre, like, giants? Because it seems like giants that are still around are wearing something. They're more, they're more on the human side of things. And then the Mothman ones, we've interviewed people who've, who've had some historical accounts. And those two, those two are still out there, but more rare.

Yeah, so, what's her name? Judy. There's that amazing mothman witness from the 60s. Sebella used to work with us at the museum. So we got Seabella and this mothman witness. And her name was, I have a hard time. That's fine. You meet people every day. Her name was Fay Duport.

I think Fay Duport. Nice lady. Yeah, she saw it. She told me the whole story. She spent on TV and told her story. jumped on the hood of her car or brother topper still thought it was a guy in a costume so it's she she said when they got to where it was at it was it was on top of the building trying to think it because she only she watched it forever did not realize it had wings until oh he threw a rock or something

at all of a sudden the wings opened up and she said the most beautiful set of wings and this thing wings had feathers interesting they were like bat wings that were like feathers and unlike a lot of artist depictions, this thing had wings and arms. You realize it's impossible, right? No vertebra on the planet has wings and arms. You have one or the other, other than insects, of course. But no bats, birds, you have wings or arms. So whatever this thing is, it's not from around here, obviously.

So I talked to her. And when it comes to giants, I'm sure you've heard the story of the Giant of Kandahar. Yeah, yeah. So the reason I bring these up because I'm working at a new museum, and this new museum is going to have exhibits solely dedicate to the Kandahar child, solely dedicated to dog man, solely dedicated to mothman. So I've got people working on big things right now. This new museum work on is going to tackle that stuff.

I want people to stop separating it. So Bigfoot's going to be there. Mothman, Dogman, the giant of Kandahar is going to be there. So I met this guy through Facebook. He made a comment on a, no, he didn't. Somebody forwarded me his message. So I finally actually called him on the phone. And his brother, he went to, this guy, Rob went to a wedding.

His brother came and his brother was retired military. I pretty sure Rob was military as well. His brother brought a military friend with him. And somewhere along the conversation, I think Rob was interested in this Candahar, or his brother knew he was interested. And Rob is a just dogged investigator. And this guy was there. He was one of the guys that was there that lived through the Kandahar giant attack.

And I was like, I mean, are you sure? He says, I'm sure. And he told me some aspects that aren't known. And he said, there's some things I cannot tell you. That this guy can't tell because he's afraid of somebody else reported that they know who this guy was, you know what I'm saying? He doesn't want things to get to specify exactly who he is. He's nervous about that for a good cause, for good reason.

So that's the closer that I've ever been to a giant is I know somebody that knows somebody that was there involved. He gave me some interesting details that I'm going to add to the exhibit that most people don't know. Nothing that will give this guy away, of course. But, yeah. Well, we've heard it. I mean, we brought on a guy from in Afghanistan who got one on a therm.

I've met two guys from Afghanistan that saw them through Thurm. He just saw it or did you record it? Well, he didn't know the Thurm had a recording technique. It was early on. It was like day one of like new tech, overwatching. He didn't realize he could film it. How can these things be in Afghanistan? Like, where are their skeletons, right?

Yeah. Well, there's still these giant graves there that have been there forever and they're up in the mountains. And I think a lot of these cryptids, either they go down into the earth. Because a lot of them say they smell like sulfur, either they come out of some, they're either down near the Earth's core or they're just living in caves for months on in and then they come out. Yeah. You know, do you think that's where they go? I've talked to two guys that have two inches that have run-ins with them in caves. One down in Jasper.

Then I've read other books, other stories of people having run-ins with caves in caves as well. And it's funny here you mentioned that I thought the exact same thing that smelled. like sulfur and I thought, hmm, that's down in the earth. These things are coming out. Some of these things are actually coming out from the earth. I talked to a lady in South Georgia that her dogs are, her dog, she was on a four-wheeler and the dogs on the front yard barking across the street. And there's one of those power line cutouts that go through the woods up the hill.

And it's all mowed down. It's all flat. And their power lines just go off at the distance. She's my dog's barking. She's like, what in the world do you bark at it? And all of a sudden, this thing. sits up out of the ground and stands up and uh it's looking over not too far from where i'm at there's a peach orchard it stands up just looking over the towards the peach horse and then turns

it walks off in the woods she goes that maybe it was sleeping there i thought hmm it's kind of a weird place for it to be sleeping right she says it but it's oh's broken it just sat up right out of the ground like it was laying there the grass was kind of high so i mean i guess it could have been But I always said just back on my mind, he kept going, hmm, just sat up out of the ground. I interviewed, you know, Matt Johnson? Dr. Matt Johnson, you've probably heard of him. I want to tell you this, this little story. He told me a story.

And then Adam Davies and John Carlson had a profound run-in. Are you familiar with that story? Bigfoot's in the portal. They're on Matt Johnson. Okay. So I go to a Georgia Bigfoot convention, probably. I don't know, 10 years ago, I guess. And I'm there with my wife and there's some great speakers there.

And behind me, there's this big dude said, and as soon as I turn on, I know who he was. That's Dr. Matt Johnson. I had the run in with the Bigfoot out of Oregon at the Oregon Caves National Park. And the story was he saw Bigfoot walk from one tree to another when he was with his family. And I knew the original investigator, Scott Taylor. And I met Scott on an expedition in Washington State and a super smart guy. He worked for a Boeing. He was an engineer for Boeing to swing stress.

Super knowledgeable guy. Very interesting guy. So I call him, hey, Matt, Matt's here. Can you believe it? I'm at the Georgia Convention. And Matt is here from Washington or Oregon in Georgia. What are you talking about? I knew what happened because he'd been on the,

he'd been on a couple TV shows telling him story. So I go, what do you talk about? He says, you know, I'm the original investigator. tell Matt that you're a friend of mine and ask him what really happened. I thought, oh, how interesting. I'm still kind of a newbie after this. So there was a little break and I turn and I go, hey, Matt, I'm Dave Becara. I'm a Biafro investigator here in Florida.

And Scott Taylor. He goes, oh, yes, Scott's a good friend of mine. I go, yeah, I just, that's just Scott. He said it was okay for you to tell me what really happened. Tell me the real story. I'm not prepared for what this guy's about to tell me. And Matt Johnson, he's an ex-basketball player. He is like six, eight, huge man.

And that big dude, and his wife's with him. And as soon as I ask him that, I go, hey, John, tell me what happened. And he goes, I'm like, what's going on here? And he's fist back, and he starts to get emotional. His wife's rubbing his back. I'm like, oh, what's happening here? I'm thinking, what's happening? And he goes like this.

And he goes, I can see your tears. rolling in his eyes. I'm like, holy crap, what have I got myself into? Matt is a clinical psychologist for family psychology. He's a smart guy. He says, do you really want to know what really happened? I said, yeah. I said, I'm walking with my family, and I can hear this thing walking. I know that's part of the story. I can hear tracking us in the woods. I can hear something. I don't know what it was. And I stopped and I looked at it, I tell my family, there's something tracking us in the woods. This goes on. Then I don't hear it for a little while. He says, I got to have a call in nature. He says, wait here on the trail. He bounces up the hillside to do his business. He says,

he's doing his business. And he's looking down at his family, keeping an eye on him. And he sees movement over to his right. He looks over. And he sees this patch of shimmering, whatever. It's something is shimmering. All of a sudden, the shimmer in there is standing this big foot. And it's looking directly at his family. He says, I see this. this thing and I go like that like oh and this thing turns it looks at me and makes the face like oh man it can see me and it looks back at his family and then it just shimmers right back out so it didn't walk from tree to tree and it took him a long time to tell me this because he had he was hitching catching his breath he was trying to be he says David I try so hard I know the

human brain I can't stop from reliving this when I tell you this but he said that's what really happened didn't walk from tree to tree I just said that because because I was afraid people could handle it. It shimmer. It was there and it went visible. And then I could see it. It saw me and it went invisible. The predator.

Of course, I've heard that since then. That, my wife, I talked about that all the way home, all the way back to Florida. We talked about that. Message in Matt Johnson. Some other developments that happened.

I believe him when he said that he, that's exactly what he said during the day. That's what he saw. And then he took Adam Davies and John Carlson to his Southern Oregon habituation. I got this directly from Adam and John Carlson. When they were sitting there at night and they saw a little pinpoint of light at the beginning of the campground, that it got bigger and bigger and bigger and then two little beings jumped out with glowing red eyes.

And they're like, oh, what's going on here? And these things would charge them. Adam Davies and John Carlson, all they had was a flashlight because Matt says you can come, but you can't bring any weapons. So all they could do were they would hit him with these flashlights to light them. up and the whole scene would dissipate. And they'd be gone and 10 minutes later, it'd all start over again. Little light and then we'd get back up and these two little beings with red eyes would jump

out and they were like charging these two guys. And before they'd get there, they were to just shine the flashlights on it and the whole thing would just dissipate. It did it like three or four times. And both guys had the exact same story. Both guys were not looking for this. They were just there looking to have interactions with Bigfoot, not with portals, not with horrible little three foot.

hairy creatures that had red eyes that looked like they were going to try to kill them. So I've heard it all, and I've heard it all from honest, good people. I know there's more to this, way more to this than they're telling us on TV. I can sure you that. Yeah. There's little people all the way to giants. I knew this was coming. Nate loves talking about the little people.

Little people are hard to see because they're way down there. I've talked to two hunters that have seen him. One on Sugar Mountain, him as a buddy, were hunting, and they're just soft walking through the woods, and they can hear something in the woods. I think it's a deer. As they come to a clearing, they look up, there's two little, he said, I can't believe what we're seeing. There's two little people, long black hair, real tan bodies, and they were wearing, like, animal skin clothes. He said, at first we thought they were kids, and they were, like, rolling and they were, like, wrestling with each other. in the grass, they said, we're sitting there.

And it didn't take us very long to understand where we were actually seeing, or not little Indian children. These were little people from the old Cherokee, alleged little people. And he said, all of a sudden, these things were little. They didn't have any weapons. We got the fear of God in us. He came all the way to the museum that told me a story. I met another hunter that saw one with a dowsing rod,

or a dowsing rod walking in a field. and another one behind him with his hand on its shoulder, walking around dowsing, looking for something. And the same thing, it did. Neither one of them knew that these little people knew that the people were looking at them. And they said, I knew I was seeing something. I was supposed to be seen. Both these guys were, they were hunting.

They were armed when they saw these things. And they said that they were scared to death of these two little people. Yeah, that cognitive dissonance. kicks in and it's a paralyzing fear. It just kind of just kind of takes over because you're seeing something. That's what happened to me when I saw it. I was just like, you know, I'm the youngest. I got older brothers and sisters and I'm like, I didn't have that kind of imagination, you know? And I'm just like, I did like a triple take. I can't believe I'm seeing what I'm seeing right now. And by the time it kicks in, then you just like panic, you know, fight or flight and you just kind of,

I screamed and ran. How many times did you see it? Just once. Oh, that's enough, right? Yeah, I mean, but I, but you know, those are the 80s when we had all those weird movies, you know, just, just a lot of creepy stuff in the 80s, you know, just a lot of strange, strange films. And I, and my, like I said, had older siblings. Some stranger things in the 80s, right? Oh, yeah. Like Pan's Labyrinth and, uh, never-ending story and stuff like that. We had these just weird, flatter than that, yeah, but, you know, so you just tell you, I'm telling myself, I remember thinking I am, I've, I've watched too many movies. I. I am seeing something. I'm seeing the big bad wolf outside my parents. You know? I remember my dad. We had a fireplace.

He's like, go get some wood. And I'm like, I'm like 12 years old. I'm like, I ain't going out there. He's like, what are you scared of?

I'm like, you don't even know, dad. Who knows what's ever? You ever tell your dad? I told my parents, but they didn't, you know,

I don't think they had, they didn't have any context what I was describing. It wasn't until I started listening to dog man encounters, which I was in my 30s. And I was like, oh my, I was like,

I saw one of these things. I put it out of my mind for years because it just, I remember the fear and then I remember not wanting to look out in the back window, but, but, you know, so many people say that on our show. They have this experience and then they have this conversation with themselves. They tell himself, I, you didn't see that. That didn't happen. That doesn't exist.

And then some other things happen in their life. And then they come around to it. And they're like, okay, this actually happened to me. And I'm willing to talk about it. But we all do that, right? But, you know, it's interesting because you talk about panic and you talk about just the idea of the word came from this crypticure in the woods, goat man, that would literally give you an anxiety attack. And that's where we get that word. So it's old.

You know, the language comes from these terrifying moments, especially that. And there's, you know, those famous dog man encounters in the French country. side. And that was documented. That thing killed like, what, 30 or 40 people in this village. So it's not a new thing. It's been going on a long time. And just where do these things come from?

I guess we need to start a museum, Luke. Yeah. And we get all Tennessee, Tennessee. This is a Tennessee chapter. That's right. Because people just show up. That's pretty cool, though, that people, you know, come up and tell you all this stuff. And they trust you.

My wife used to have the logo on her card. She took it off. She said, I can't take it more. She would just go, like, to pick up lunch for the staff. She'd be a hurry. So people keep telling me weird things. Yeah. That's what happens.

She goes, Dave, they stopped me in the park in a lot. And they wanted to tell me, I got hot food. Oh, and it's never a short story, Jack. These poor people that have seen these, once they find an ear that will listen to them and trust them, they go over it, over and over. And you can't. Same thing like you. When you finally get, I'm sure the same thing has happened to, when you finally get somebody

to listen to you, you can. you get to get it off your chest. Unfortunately, the poor people would catch my wife in the middle of a park lot on a busy Saturday holding two bags of food. It's 98 degrees outside. And they just want to tell them all about it. So she had to take the logo off so she could go about her business. She's like Dave's hungry.

I can't be listening. I can't listen to your dog man story right now. This last two weeks, I think we've gotten more stories emailed to us than our entire podcast because we've been airing some stuff. We're finally getting to that place where it's unmanageable, you know, and it's, it's, it's starting to happen to us a little bit. Podcast is a little different, you know, something about just pulling off the side of the road and walking in and just feeling like, okay, I can, I can say what I need to say. There's a lot of places on the internet, a lot of paranormal shows now, a lot of places where you can, if you have a story, it's burning a hole in your, in your mind, you can, you can find a place, but we appreciate you, you know, coming on our podcast and tell, tell, tell us. Yeah, tell our listeners where if they want to come in and talk to you directly, where they can find you.

So I'm not at the museum every day because now I've got a little hobby farm. I love it. I have other things I'm doing as well, but we're open seven days a week. So I'm in there every day, but I collect the garbage and I get the cardboard and I'll sometimes be stocking some stuff in the back room. But if you go there to the museum, or you can contact me on our Facebook. page. Go to Expedition Bigfoot Facebook page and you can DM me there. But on that page, you can see all the stories.

And mind you, all the stories that I put on there over the past seven years, that's a tiny fraction of the stories we get. Because sometimes I only do like one story a week. Sometimes it's maybe two a month. But I'm actually getting like a hundred a month. I just cover the more interesting ones that have a stranger aspect that make you think. For every story you see on there, there's probably a month. a hundred that I have not put on there. I have piles and piles of these. And some of them from

police officers, especially local police officers, I don't put them on there. I'm sitting on some big stories where Bigfoot's have killed people from local EMTs. I can't talk about it. I don't need the aggravation. I've gone through in Persia out of the files. I've talked to people that have been there. And there's just no point. I don't have anything to back it up with. I know the person that was there that saw the whole thing happen or saw the aftermath. But there's just stories I just, I don't talk about because I don't only do have anything to back them up, but it would, it's just better. Some things are just left unsaid. Let's listen to this next episode, Dave. We'll have, we'll have Bavid Dakara. No relation on to share some stories.

Exactly. Now, we get that all the time. We've, we've, we've disguised some voices and we've we've had several people change their names so we understand that completely and we're not even i guess we're getting there but you know for a while there it's just like it's not a big deal you know like you'll be fine and then now i'm kind of like i understand it more and more the privacy aspect of it and especially you know we live in a world with with a with a narrative and if it doesn't go with the narrative well that's that's that's that's a true i've always said that if something ever happened or somebody knocked on my door was just sick of hearing my voice, somebody up in the government and say, you want to know what's going on here?

Come here. Get a car. And they take me down to some place and they say, sit down. And they spend three hours explaining to me what these things really are, what these dogmen really are, where they come from. How long have they been here? What the relation to us is? Where we really come from. This is how humans really came here and evolve here.

And this is what brought us here. Okay. All right. All right. Here's a cup of coffee. Jim's going to give you a right home. and they drop you off at home, they say, go tell anybody you want to tell.

You would probably sit there and go, there's nobody I can tell. There's no, yeah. There's no. I'm going to sit on this one for a little while. And then you'll wish, there'll be one of those guys that wish you didn't know what you know. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah. Because you wouldn't be able to sleep anymore. And I think you could actually get to that point. You could actually get to the point like, man, and I wish I didn't know that. Because I love my kids and my grandkids. It's terribly. And I let,

I let anybody know that if anybody brought, a body here. I say, get that thing out of it. It's going to ruin your life. There's a reason these things are kept quiet and they probably have a good reason to keep them quiet. And I will not be the guy to bust the doors open. And look what we got here. Dave, if that happens, if that happens, shoot us a message and I'll give you Nate's address. Shep it on up to Nate's house. Yeah. You guys have that. No, it's actually our show could keep going and your museum can keep going. There is a little bit of benefit to having it still remain a mystery. So There really is.

There is. Yeah, but the museum is exhibition Bigfoot. You're in Blue Ridge, Georgia. So if you're listening and you're traveling through the Blue Ridge Mountains, you'd definitely need to stop. Stop in. Maybe you'll see David doing some chores. You can grab them and tell him your story.

This is fantastic. It's so great. It's so great to talk to somebody because, you know, you forget that, you know, as you do, as you do, natives, we do stories on here, and they're anecdotal. it's a single person point of view, that there are the scribes and the people that are keeping record. And Dave, you're doing that, which I love. You're compiling and your archiving.

It's what I was looking for. All these stories. And I think as you go down the mountain of evidence, I think you can sharpen and really, in a sense, really pinpoint your opinion on things that are an enigma, right? And I like what things you have to say because I think that's kind of where we've gotten in the show as being like, there's just too many weird things that happen around this creature. And then you get a dog man, it gets even weirder. And you go, there's too many just strange things for this to be, you know, a relic hominid or a, you know, or it's all just a hallucination.

Those kind of things are just really, those are knee-jerk visceral reaction to people that don't want to confront perhaps what the truth. The truth is. So we're grateful for what you're doing and record. and the work you're doing. And as you say, I hope that this thing continues to grow for you, excited about your new ventures as you said, you're going to be doing a museum that talks about dog man, Kandand, Kandahar Giant, UFO experiences

to kind of unwrap some of those mysteries as well. And so I'm looking forward to you announcing that. Yeah, I'll let you know. I'll let you know. You can come back on and we appreciate it because, yeah, like Luke and I've been making a case. There's many blurry creatures out there. And, you know, especially a lot of people like just to label all one

thing and you know you sit there and you the data continues to come out you have to confront the data and i like that about you it takes a certain type of mind like more of a scientific mind like i'm going where the data goes i can't i can't just you know explain these things away and we try to tell christians all the time like hey there's more than just demons out there there's a lot and they they they get mad at us because we we try to explain there's a hierarchy of all kinds of stuff And that's okay. You don't have to lose your faith because there's more than demons out there, you know? And I agree 100% God is much bigger than they're telling us he is. We are not the apex of creation. As I tell people, don't forget, a couple hundred years ago, we were still wiping our butts with our hands.

Don't forget that. Right. Some of us still are. He's got higher aspirations than us. Somebody's probably started something somewhere else. A few hundred, maybe a few thousand years ago, they're a little further. They're ahead of us. So, yeah. That's more advanced. You were bidet guys, you know. You just move past the toilet paper. That's right.

The ancient today. I love it. I love it. This has been great, Dave. Thanks so much for the time. Yeah. Yeah. Appreciate it.

Good to be here. Well, thanks, guys. It was good to talk to you. Yeah. Good talking to you too. Yeah. Thanks, Dave. Take care now.

All right, man. Bye. I see the museum.