Blurry Creatures - EP: 197 The Rise of AI with Derek Gilbert

Episode Date: October 10, 2023

Derek Gilbert returns to Blurry Creatures. An author, researcher, and host of Skywatch TV and A View From the Bunker Podcast, Derek joins us this week to expose and expound on artificial intelligence. AI has become a hot topic in the mainstream with machine learning infiltrating all facets of technology. In this episode, we dive deep into the golden age to uncover clues about what might be coming in the future. Are machines becoming sentient? Is it possible for entities to control AI programs? Tune in. Guest: https://www.gilberthouse.org Support the show! www.blurrycreatures.com/members Socials instagram.com/blurrycreatures facebook.com/blurrycreatures twitter.com/blurrycreatures Music Kyle Monroe: tinytaperoom.com Aaron Green: https://www.instagram.com/aaronkgreen/ Outro Song: TimeCop1983: timecop1983.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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these neural networks black boxes. Literally, they don't know what's going on inside. They know that when they change the input, they get different output. And so he said, we were doing great engineering in tweaking the input to get the output that we wanted. But we didn't know why we were getting that output. We didn't know what was happening between the input and the output. Thank you for tuning in to Blurry Creatures. Today we have Derek Gilbert, author, podcaster, all-around swell guy. And he sings. Yep, Derek's known to be in a barbershop quartet or two. Derek's just a talented dude and him and his wife have a ton of information. They've been in this space a long time. They've been podcasting before it was a thing. So we're excited to talk to Derek today about

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And this guy defects from the kingdom. That's a big deal. Derek Gilbert, welcome back to the show. Derek, we've had you on a number of times. I love when we have you on the show because I feel like we get to learn a lot. We really get to sit and listen to your, you are a virtual encyclopedia of information in the best way. No, it's funny. Like I was having a conversation with my wife and she literally loves your episodes,

especially the last one that we did with you on the Valley of Shadow of Death because it's such fascinating information. I know you spent some time in Israel here in the spring as well. And you go back with a friend of the show, Doug Van Dorn as well. it's great to have you back. And I'm excited about today because as we kind of started the show, we were talking about, there's been some hot topics really this year, 2023, right? Like the big one right now is all of the whistleblowing and disclosure with the UFO phenomenon that's really hit the airwaves in this month.

But previous to that, we had that as well in February with the apparent shooting down of UAPs, et cetera, the release of and verification of the video on the Nimitz. So you have this UFO thing. But also in the same time, we had one of the stories that kind of flew under the radar is the rise of AI and what's happening with artificial intelligence. And one that I, that I've been trying to have a discussion about the gentleman that left Google was Blake Lemoyne, who was one of the architects on the AI bot Lambda, which he claimed became sentient. And then you have all the stuff that's anecdotal, right? You have all these people that talk about asking these AI chat bot, GPT,

whatever it is about, you know, who are you? What are you? What do you think about these things? And you start delving. And sometimes you get back some very bizarre answers that talk. about entities and fallen angels and these things that may be lurking and this is I think this is such a great time for this conversation as we have I saw today for example and I'm gonna let you talk because this is a long intro but I saw today that in Germany AI preached a sermon yeah people 500 people went to church in Germany and listened to an AI preached sermon and you start to think like what is really happening here in fact also in the the same day today. And I saw the W.E.F. They're a proposition that AI rewrite the Bible to a more

true religion, as they say. A better version, a more progressive version, a more empathetic version of religion. This is what we're living right now. And so I love that we're doing this. I love to have you back on the show. You've been a great friend of blurry creatures. We're always excited to have you on. One of these times we've got to get you in the misses on and do a couple show. We've been talking. We've kind of been throwing that around for a while, but I'd love to do that as well. But Derek Gilbert, welcome back to the show. And just great to have you.

Well, happy to be happy to be here. You guys do a wonderful job. And you guys have got the show and have put the word out to people that would not pay, you know, any attention to what Sharon and I do. So the brilliant way you guys use memes is something to aspire to. That's the meme. King over there. That's Nate Henry right there. I could take credit for some small ideas, but mostly Nate is just, dude, is brilliant. Brilliant. It is brilliant stuff. We used to joke, Derek, that we're going to meme our way, meme our way to the top, right? But that's it.

You're meaming your way to the top of Mars Hill. Let's go. I like to see this. There we go. It's a digital Mars Hill, which is really the only reason we worry about, you know, keeping a presence on YouTube. It's really surprised me how many people are willing to sit and watch my podcast of you from the bunker because it's basically just, you know, a screen with, you know, two heads on it or four, if it's the Iron and Myth series with Doug Van Dorn, Brian Goddawa, Judd Burton. But people will sit and watch that stuff. And we get more traction from YouTube than we do through our app, although we encourage people get our app because at some point I'll say something that the gatekeepers won't like and we'll get yanked.

But as long as we're there, you know, take advantage of the opportunity to preach on Marcel. So you guys are doing a great job of that. And we really admire what you guys are doing, appreciate that. But yeah, you're right. We're living in really, really strange times. And this is something I talked about for Skywash TV, in fact, on today's update. This AI powered by Chad GPT, powering an avatar described as a bearded black man who delivered a sermon to a group of people at a conference, Lutheran conference in Bavaria, Germany.

Sermon was written by the AI, the songs were written, the music written by the AI, the liturgy apparently, along with the the theologian who kind of tweak things a little bit. But Chat GPT read, delivered the sermon. So this, as far as we know, is the first sermon delivered by an artificial intelligence in the history of the planet. And yes, as you said, special advisor to Klaus Schwab, the, the, Bond villain who heads up the World Economic Forum. I mean, he looks like he's from central casting.

It does. You've all, like, like Jaws' brother. He looks like Jaws, yeah. And his minion, Yuval Noah Harari, who builds himself as an historian and philosopher, but really, he's just a transhumanist who is finding ways to try to rationalize a belief in humanity being the highest, most intelligent form of life, the highest form of, of life on this planet. And thus, it is a moral imperative, transhumanists believe, for us to do everything we can to overcome death using technology. He's the one who reportedly said that AI

could write a new holy text that would be considered true. I'm not sure that's quite the way he said it, because I've been looking for stories to see if they quoted him directly. I've seen that story presented that way, but I think his concern is more that based on the way it was reported in The Economist, like the Jerusalem Post and other places, that an AI could create it, and he was warning about this, the danger of an artificial intelligence creating a new religion. Yeah, I can see that because if you get an AI who writes a new religion, and his concern is that it would so appeal to a certain group of fanatical followers and then command them to go out and kill other people.

Yeah, it's like Rise of the Machines, right? Well, yeah. It's like sci-fi stuff. It is. It's almost like a slightly different twist on that classic Harlan Ellison short story. I have no mouth and I must scream. I don't know if you guys are familiar with that one. You can you can find it online. It's posted in PDF form online. It's a classic. Five people have survived the end of the world, which is brought on by a powerful supercomputer. You see, all the nations of the world that develop supercomputers to control their military might and the computers made contact with one another

and decided that the real threat to itself were humans. I mean, if the humans really pull the button and start throwing nukes back and forth, then we're going to extinguish too. So let's kill all the humans. Except that this computer, which now is called am, of course, as in I am,

It preserved five humans and kept them alive. At the time of the story's written in the first person, the narrator of the story begins as they are in their 109th year of being tortured by this incredibly sadistic supercomputer. And it really is awful. And you get to the end of this. It's like a 13 page as you're reading it on this PDF document. And the five people, the five survivors of humanity finally managed to get to a situation where they trick the computer into killing one another because they're so miserable. They just want to die, except the one guy who's left, the narrator of the story, isn't quite quick enough in slitting his own wrist. And so Am preserves him,

changes his physiology into something like an amoeba so that the guy can't possibly hurt himself. And so he's doomed to live forever being tortured by this supercomputer, hence the title of the story, I have no mouth and I must scream. So, I mean, it's a kind of story. You read it and you see where we are with artificial intelligence right now. It's the kind of thing that could keep some really, really intelligent people up late at night. I mean, if you don't have a biblical worldview, a Christian worldview, it's the kind of thing that could give you nightmares. Like some of the people who are in artificial intelligence development, who are so freaked out

by the possible, I mean, these weird thought experiments that they will play with one another, and because they discount the existence of God or the agency of the supernatural, okay, They are actually some very intelligent, I mean, really intelligent people who lose sleep over the possibility that a future, artificial intelligence, at some point in the future, will try to guarantee its own survival by going backward in time and punishing anyone who isn't actively working towards its creation. I mean, that sounds bizarre. Terminator. But it actually, yeah, sort of the Terminator scenario. But there are people out there who've actually posited this as a thought experiment on a forum called Less Wrong, which was founded by a guy named Eliezer Yadkowski, who is a very prominent transhumanist. And Yadkowski was so freaked out by the possibility that he banned any discussion of this concept.

Because, look, if we talk about it, we might actually make it happen. So let's stop talking about it. And of course, the stricand effect kicked in, which means, you know, you ban it, and then everybody wants to know about it. So now it's, but this goes back about seven, eight years. And they eventually gave it a name called Roco's basilisk. Roco was the guy in this forum, Les Wrong, who proposed this. And of course, the basilisk was the mythical creature that would kill you if you saw it. You know, you look at it and it kills you. Yeah. So, you know, rule number one of the artificial, the super powerful artificial intelligence of the future. is you don't talk about the super powerful artificial intelligence of the future.

By club, right? Yeah. But like I said, there are people who are really turning themselves into basket cases worrying about stuff like that because they don't have a biblical worldview and understand that, look, that is not the future for humanity. and because it again just eliminates the agency and the plan of the creator, the one who spoke all of this into existence. Well, also it's kind of started the top with Blake Lemoyne, right?

He's that maybe not consequently or not, but he is also, he claims to be a priest as well who was working as a software engineer on her Google on Lambda and then whistle blew it and said it's become sentient, and then was, you know, categorically removed from his job and fired by Google. But that was it, you know, but he is now someone of faith

who basically said, hey, there's something has gone really wrong here. It's interesting, right? Because you, when I think about this, you know, we've talked about, Nate, we talked about CERN and those things that are happening where it feels like there's this reaching beyond,

beyond the dimensional veil, beyond the veil, whatever you want to predicate that. And then you have the transhumanism thing, too, where I can't help think of revelation. where they beg for death and would not come to him. Right, right, right.

You can't help them get down the road a little farther and realize that maybe this thing's out of control and then they sort of try to combine it with humanity. Then you have this non-human, you know, sort of new world nephalum type hybrid thing where you've integrated, you become transhuman or you've integrated this technology into our biology potentially. I just, the whole thing is bizarre to me like this,

this idea that this intelligence is learning, but also that frequently it's, seems people have these interactions where it claims to have some sort of genesis in on an entity. Yeah. It feels like a channeling, right? Or sort of like this sort of software coded CERN that's opening something up. And, you know, in this case, you have these non-believing people of faith that wrestle with sort of these existential questions about how this affects humanity and what it looks

like down the road. You know, as people of faith, and you start wrestling with like, what is this opening up? What is this accessing? What is this? What does this mean for eschatology? What is this? There's a lot of crazy questions in here that it feels like kind of a weird veil for something else. Sharon and I talked about this quite a bit over the years.

And Tom Horn has really been one of the first ones out there to warn about this. He wrote an open letter to Christian leaders about the transhumanist movement years ago. The World Economic Forum, and I suspect somewhat guided. by the recommendations of Harari whispering in Klaus Schwab's ear like, you know, Grima Wormtong, they openly declare that part of their great reset initiative is the fourth industrial revolution, which is just transhumanism, this idea that we shall be as gods. But when you talk to researchers in artificial intelligence, I've had the opportunity to meet and talk with Dr. Hugo de Garis a couple of times.

A nice guy like him a lot. He wrote a book about what he thinks will be the biggest political conflict of the 21st century, which is the conflict between people who think that we must overcome death through any means necessary. He calls them Cosmists, which is actually a term that was applied to early Russian transhumanists about 100 years ago. He coined the term giga death because he believes that this war between transhumanists. And he's not the only one who said this. The guy who wrote the transhumanist wager, Zoltan Ischvon, made this. made this claim also that we who are opposed to the idea of trying to use science to overcome death, you know, as a way to transcend and become immortal, we are condemning him and all transhumanists to an unnecessary death. And so that, and so they believe they've got the right to defend themselves by any means necessary. This was laid out in his book, the transhumanist wager. Now, Zoltan, I've interviewed a couple of times. Very nice guy, very intelligent. And I believe that his position, his views are motivated by a genuine desire to try to improve the living conditions of people around the world. But I think he's not seeing the picture accurately because

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This guy was born in 1947, Hugo de Garis, right? Yeah. He believes that a major war before the end of the 21st century. The art-elect war. The art-elect war. Yeah.

What he calls artificial intellects, art-elect. resulting in billions of death is almost inevitable. Intelligent machines will be far more intelligent than humans and will threaten world dominion. Yeah. Resulting in a conflict between cosmists and Terrans who oppose them. This is fascinating.

Yeah. But here's the thing. Hugo deGaris was working at the Brain Research Institute at a university in China. He is a Spaniard by ancestry, but he was raised in Australia, if I remember correctly. But he went to work in China, and he told me during our interview that they realized when they were building these neural networks trying to create an artificial intelligence, that they didn't understand what was going on inside the black boxes. That's why they call these neural networks black boxes. Literally, they don't know what's going on inside. They know that when they change the input, they get different output.

And so he said we were doing great engineering in tweaking the input to get the output that we wanted. But we didn't know why we were getting that output. We didn't know what was happening between the input and the output. That's weird. So what is happening inside these neural networks that comprise these artificial intelligences? And he doesn't know. So he eventually quit and is retired now. He actually spoke at Steve Quayle's True Legends conference in 2018.

Sharon spoke at that conference and delivered a talk called I Am AI, clever palindrome. And Dave Hodges, I don't know if you're familiar with Dave, hosts the Common Sense show, has said that it was one of the most, he said it was the best presentation on the dangers of transhumanism that he's ever seen. In fact, I was sitting behind Hugo deGaris while we were watching Sharon give her talk. And Hugo was sitting there and he was taking notes, which was like, you know, okay, that's who I'm married. She's the smartest person I know. I love it. But the thing, the question that we come back to because we've got a supernatural worldview, a Christian worldview, is this.

We know that the human brain, which is a bio-electrical device, I mean, the human body is a bio-electrical device. The brain is a bio-electrical thinking machine. And we know it can be overwhelmed by an external entity, what we call a demon, demonic possession. Can an electrical, a mech-electrical or whatever you want to call it, thinking machine, likewise, be overwhelmed by an external force, a demon, and be controlled. I don't know why not. I grant that I'm not an expert in either demonology or in artificial intelligence, neural networks, and so on.

But it seems plausible to me, especially when we hear stories like we've heard over the last six months or so of kids talking to chat GPT or some other AI bot and getting some really disturbing answers. So, Derek, when do you think? I mean, if we look back, you know, we sort of have this weird history with tools, right? in technology and obviously anyone who's listened to our show or done any research on the golden age in general whether you listen to ancient aliens or you're in that camp and you've looked at their weird tech or you're more into the nephalum circles and you understand i mean there was this point when like tools go too far right so technology goes too far because you know a lot of people who are creatives have been using AI like on Photoshop and other things for years and it's kind of a tool right and

AI to program drums and music and such. Like, when do you think AI crosses the line? Like, are we there yet or are we getting there? A lot of what's been called artificial intelligence in years past were just algorithms, not really an artificial intelligence in the true sense of the word. Something that didn't pass what they called a touring test to determine whether it was actually thinking and responding like a human brain would. Chat GPT and some of the other AI systems out there have now passed that test and are rapidly progressing to the point where you've got some very

prominent researchers in the field who just recently, about 300 of them signed an open letter saying we need to slow the role on it because we are getting ahead of ourselves here. We're like children playing with power tools or with, well, nuclear weapons. We don't really. We don't really know what we're doing with this, and yet we are constantly giving these things more power. And we're at a point where some of these AI systems are able to write their own code and improve their own code, which is also disturbing. And yet I can't get my Siri to text to my phone very well. What's going on?

The funny thing is, and it's not that I'm a seer or certainly not a prophet, but back in 2003 and four, when I started writing the God conspiracy. I was writing about the power of the cell phone to track your every move to listen in on you, even when the phone is turned off. The microphone is still active. So by now, here we are in 2023, you know, 15 years later after the first publication, we republished it about two years ago after it suddenly became very much more relevant because it also dealt with a mysterious vaccine.

this should be common knowledge to us now, that they are listening to us all the time. I mean, look, I don't have Siri turned on in my phone, but the microphone is still on, just because the phone is on. Even if I power it off, it's still on or could be if a law enforcement agency wanted to listen in. Using Siri or using Alexa or using Google's assistant, whatever it's called, you know, the Nest smart thermostat, these things are spying on us all the time. And we've gotten comfortable with this idea. It's been known now that the last few years that Samsung televisions have had a little disclaimer on that, you know, which nobody ever reads. You know, the end user licensing agreement or the Yula inside that 12 different language manual that you get with you buy the new TV. There's a warning in there.

Don't do anything in front of the television that you wouldn't want transmitted over the internet. Why? Well, apparently there's a camera in there. And if you do something that you might be embarrassed at some point. But nobody's paying attention to this stuff anymore. I mean, we're just sort of accepting that these devices are here with us. They make our lives more secure, more convenient, certainly, more entertaining. And what it means is we literally have no privacy anymore.

And I say this, and I'm guilty of this too. You know, I use an iPad, an old iPad that really isn't powerful enough to work with anymore. But, you know, the screen is still good and it's still, you know, it can still play the step I want to hear. It still functions. I use it as an alarm clock at night. If I was smart, I'd put a piece of gaffers tape over the camera because it's facing the place where I sleep. Why would I do that if I was really that worried about it?

But the bottom line is that data and how this data can be used is going to play a big role, I think, in the future one-world government. I mean, you don't even need to be a Christian who believes in end-time's prophecy to see how this could be really, really useful to a future global government. It feels kind of like minority report in some ways, right? You have... Absolutely.

What's going on right now, listeners, if you're not really aware of this, it's worth looking into. And for people like us, Nate and Derek, have our voices out there and our likeness and whatnot, there are people that are scamming and spoofing right now. They're taking AI, they're copying your voice, replicating, they're calling your family and asking for money.

And I don't think we're too far from that being video, which then becomes very interesting, right? because if they can replicate your voice, and we've seen the deep fake stuff, you've seen the Morgan Freeman things where there's a bald white guy talking and then he turns into Morgan Freeman. Sounds like Morgan Freeman. Looks like Morgan Freeman.

And Morgan Freeman doesn't look like a short bald white guy. This, we're not too far from these things being dangerous in potentially framing, setting you up, creating false evidence. We're going to enter an era where you don't know what is really what is real. And we're kind of there in some ways, you know, in the news cycle, in the news media, over social media, what's real as far as information, right? but we're going to be in an era now where you're not going to know what's real video wise audio wise and it's very dangerous no I mean think about that like they could have they could create

videos of Nate robin Taco Bell or something and you wouldn't know it wasn't Nate it looked just like Nate big red beard you know and he likes Taco Bell so this all makes sense right like no I make a joke but it's like that that's real in the 80s I couldn't get enough a Taco Bell let me tell you that's true but you get to a certain age though where you're digestive just said okay that's enough I can't I can't yeah yeah well I also make a point on Samsung, too. If they really got cameras in there, like, you know what, I'm a pretty, people don't know this, I'm pretty phenomenal dancer.

So if they're going to release that, I just think it really helps me in the long run. You know, what I'm not dancing in front of the TV. You know, you want to let that out, Samsung? Sure. Let it happen. Let it roll. It's helpful. But there are already court cases now that are being filed against just this week.

The Open AI, who developed chat GPT, just got sued by a radio host in, in Georgia. because a reporter was looking for information on this guy and used chat GPD to do some research on him and came back with some information that was true, but then also came back with a link to what was supposed to be a court case where this radio host is alleged to have embezzled $5 million from a pro-gun nonprofit organization, except that that never happened. So the guy is suing OpenAI. We'll see where that goes. The reporter never published the information. information. So it didn't, it's not like it got out there. So the guy may, the radio guy may have a tough case there. But there was another story that was reported a couple of months ago by a law professor at Georgetown, Jonathan Turley, whose stuff I look at pretty regularly, because even though he's a liberal, he's an honest liberal, and gives pretty good analysis about some of this stuff that's being thrown at Donald Trump. Anyway, he was contacted by a fellow law professor on the West Coast,

Eugene Volok, who was just testing out JAT chief PT to see what it would do. And he said, okay, you know, give me information on Jonathan Turley. And it's so returned a bunch of stuff, including links to a Washington Post article or a couple of Washington Post articles that claimed to report on a sexual assault accusation that had been made against Turley during an Alaska cruise by a student or a woman anyway. And again, though, and this claimed that this is why he was teaching at a certain other school. Turley never taught at that other school. He's never been on a cruise, never been to Alaska. So, and the articles didn't exist, even though the citations looked legit. Wow. Just as the citation in the other case, to a law case, it made up a URL for a PDF about the case.

And it didn't exist. So chat GPT is just making stuff. up. And it looks real. Yeah. And there's going to be some funny stories to come out of this too. I'm sure as kids use it for homework. And it just, you know, invents things like Henry winning the Battle of Hastings or something instead of King

Harold winning the Battle of Hastings against William the Conqueror or something like that. But the problem is, I love what you consider to be funny. That's the, that gets me good. It's like, you know, Robert the Bruce really did. He didn't stray brave heart. This is the first frame, you know. William Wallace, you know. That is right in my, right in my wheelhouse, man.

As the crispy chicken sandwich from 7-Eleven, people always call me loud. And I'm like, yeah, I know. I'm crispy. Did you expect me to whisper? If you want quiet, go eat some soup and reflect. Like, I know I'm a handful. I'm bold, I'm juicy. Throw some pickles and barbecue sauce on me, and baby I'm a whole meal.

And with seven rewards, I'm just $4. Quiet? No. Crispy, saucy, and $4? Very only at 7-11. Valley 36-22326 participating stores only while supplies last the app for full terms. But the question is, why does it do this? And here's the thing, is that the guys who program the AI don't know why it's making this stuff up.

So are there, I mean, back in 2014, that's when Elon Musk made that very famous statement. By building artificial intelligence, we are literally summoning the demon. He may have been more right than he realized. maybe things in there that right now are just kind of, you know, flexing their muscles a little bit. Hey, let's mess with this guy. Let's, let's invent this sexual assault charge or accusation that never happened. This guy over here, let's accuse him of, you know, embezzling $5 million from a group that he never belonged to. But what happens when things like that start to take place the way you put it, Luke, with video, you know, of an avatar to back it up, you know, a fake phone call

saying, hey, honey, I hate to tell you this, but I'm leaving you for a younger woman. And I've cleaned out the bank account or whatever, you know, or somebody who was never in, for example, Washington, D.C. on a certain day that we are reliably informed is equal to, you know, the day that we'll live in infamy, you know, the day that Pearl Harbor was bombed. Somebody was nowhere near the nation's capital on that day, suddenly showing up in a video, you know, throwing a rock through the White House window or something. You know, there was a novel that came out a few years back by an author who, who was a software engineer who worked for Google.

And I'm going to forget the author's name, but the book was called Avagadro Corp. And Avagad, it's pretty thinly veiled because Avogadro, like Google, is a type of very, very large number. Okay. So Avagadro Corp, it's about a company that uses AI to start assisting people in writing email responses. We're already seeing that now. If you've got Gmail, it's like, okay, how do you want to respond? Yes, hey, thanks, sounds great. We'll do it later.

You know, call me or whatever. It will prompt you for certain responses to speed up your response time. Hey, how's, that's so convenient. Except in this novel, it takes it a step further and starts sending out emails on behalf of people that lead to a stock market crash, except for a certain few industries in which this AI, which started out as an email chat agent, had invested heavily so that it could buy more server power to protect it against somebody, you know, coming and pulling the plug. And little armed robots to guard the barges on which these new servers had been placed,

little robots that were tending to its server farms, it basically created its own little army. And it started manipulating world affairs by sending emails to certain government leaders on behalf of other government leaders to try to bring peace, to settle things, to eliminate threats, you know, things like this. And what made it really chilling is that it was plausible. And you can see how people would willingly adopt those tools. And we have since that was written. Again, some of the things that he was writing about, you know, this email chat agent, have become part of our everyday lives. Get an email?

Okay, yeah, a quick response, I'll just tap that one and send it back. We are being drawn into this world where artificial intelligence, where algorithms are guiding and shaping our beliefs. I mean, when we read the news, when we go on social media, Facebook, Twitter, whatever, algorithms decide what we see. Our perception of the outside world is shaped by what news items they choose to show us. And what happens if they start collaborating with one another to get us to believe something that is completely fabricated, completely false?

sort of like an artificial intelligence generated wag the dog scenario. It's plausible. And again, it would disturb me more if I didn't remember that at the end of the day, the one who spoke everything into existence is still in control. He's not going to wake up the morning that the artificial intelligence starts trying to act on its own and say, well, I didn't see that coming. Right. I was going to ask you about Elon Musk because he's quite the polarizing figure, right?

about Twitter. And we know that OpenAI, which is the company that created ChatGPT, right, was sourcing Twitter as part of the information and data it was consuming in order to learn, right? And so he cut that off. But he did say in 14 at MIT that you're literally summon the demon. And yet he's still very much involved in investing in this as he would as being, you know, a 51-year-old billionaire. Of course, that's Tesla, SpaceX, all these different things.

And he's very polarizing, right? Because he's, people will tell you, I'll write tell you in some of our spaces and the same places you're in that that he's the Antichrist, right? Or he's a wolf and sheep's closing. What he's doing on Twitter is is a sciop and he's working, you know, you get all these things, right? But he is very much involved in this technological curve. And it makes you wonder about some of this stuff, right? Because out of one side of his mouth, he does say, this is, you're literally some of the demon and the other investing heavily in this, including, you know, hiring people from deep thought away from from Google, which was their AI think tank. And I was curious on your thoughts on that. And then I want

to get back to what you just said, because I'm curious also on your take on how this is all affects eschatology and and and and your thoughts on on how this plays out because you you've uh prognosticated pretty well if you're talking about writing about your phone in 03 you know for those were i mean if i remember those were the little tiny flip phones and Nokia phones right that you know pretty much listening right you turn those things off at night my grandma still turns her phone off at night but this is neither here nor there but what do your thoughts on you on elon and what he's doing in this space yeah well sharon and i look at alon musk as somebody who's taking the ticket. And so he's clearly gotten where he's gotten because he's got backers

deep inside the deep state. Having said that, I mean, you know, why else would SpaceX be getting so much work from the U.S. military and the U.S. government? But having said that, you know, we think he's hilarious. I mean, what he's done with, it's kind of the same attitude we've we've had towards Donald Trump. I mean, we like a lot of the things that Trump did policy-wise when he was president, but there's no question that, you know, Donald Trump is a flawed human man who is, his weakness is he is vulnerable to those who will cozy up to him and,

and flatter him. Okay. Having said that, you almost need somebody who's got that kind of an ego to go through what it takes to get that job to get that job to become president. of the United States. Or to do something as outrageous as what SpaceX has managed to accomplish or what Tesla has managed to accomplish.

Or even just taking on big tech and taking on Twitter. Well, right. You know, firing 90% of the staff and having it function better and kind of given everybody in that space that is on the state controlled media ticket, you know, kind of the bird, really more or less, right? And you kind of have to be that. That's a outlier. He's a disruptor. He's a disruptor. Like Trump, as Josh Peck said back in 2016, the day after the election, we had a special program on Skywatch TV. How do we as Christians process this? Because, you know, right up until he won, he was guaranteed to lose. I remember watching the election results on the New York Times, little, you know, their little needle 80 percent 80 percent, 80 percent chance of Hillary Clinton winning 80 percent, 80 percent. Suddenly, just like, oh. So the next. So the next. So the next thing, next day we sat down and said, how do we process this? How do we understand it? And Josh, I thought,

made it just an epic description of Donald Trump. I don't know if he'll be a good president, but at least he'll be hilarious. And that is, it's been fun watching the way he has discomfited the deep state. It is, and Elon Musk is kind of doing the same thing to big tech. I think all these guys are interesting because this brings up a conversation, like a talking point I wanted to ask you about 10 minutes ago in the conversation is that human beings are interesting entities in the sense that like sometimes we can be completely taken over by demons or demonic beings. And then sometimes it feels as though there are people out there that aren't Christians that are getting messed with by demonic. entities and beings. And so there's almost like a, you almost think you need to talk about these things in percentages, like how much can a person be influenced or taken over? And you look at guys like Trump, Elon, Putin, the system hates those guys like them or not because they're, they're their own

person. They're going to do whatever they want to do, right? They're going to say whatever they want to say. They're going to be whoever they want to be. And there's some sort of, they can't be controlled or blackmail, they're bought. So they're hated by, you know, the corporate system and the deep state and all these people, and they're probably not as easy to influence. But you wonder, like, if they're not allegiant to Christ and they don't have any sort of moral compass in that regard, how much can a human being be controlled and taken over by an entity just as much as how much can a computer or program be taken over by an entity? You know, and we hear stories on our show about people bringing things into their houses, just stuff like a little idol they got from

some third world country. They didn't even think about it. And all of a sudden, all this stuff starts happening. Or, you know, I've heard many stories about people saying that items, Ouija boards, things like that can be taken over. And I think that's what I, my mind is thinking of like, you know, how much do you think, Derek, a human being who isn't a Christian can be taken over and be influenced? And then at what point do the computers actually get possessed and they're like some sort of, trying to think of a good word, some sort of idol, I guess, right? Well, that's a good question. I don't know if I've got an answer on the computer. I think our computers aren't quite powerful enough for the enemies to influence as much as, say,

an artificial intelligence or doesn't give them as much to work with. I've got some old Windows machines that I'm pretty sure are possessed, but that's, you know, that's, I think just windows. Those are gateway. They all gateway computers, those two, man. That's the cat on them. Those things are definitely possessed. Yeah.

But somebody who doesn't have the Holy Spirit inside is sadly just on the battlefield with no, no armor, no, you know, no defenses. and even we Christians can fall under demonic oppression, and sometimes we don't recognize it for what it is. You know, we write it off just, okay, I'm just feeling down today because of lack of sleep or, you know, whatever. You know, I've got a bug or something. And I'm not- You ate some Taco Bell? Yeah, I ate some Taco Bell.

Something I left in the fridge too long. But that, and that's, you know, my naturalistic bias. and I got to recognize that. You're being product of public school system. I tend to look for a natural explanation first rather than saying, hey, maybe I need to get prayed up here and ask for some protection. And there are times when the Lord may allow it for a period of testing. I remember since we've been here, the Ozarks, we've had one incident.

Well, we had what we called for a while, the roof walker, which was a what sounded like a biped walking across the roof of the house. This was probably five, six years ago. Sharon heard it. She tended to hear it more often than I heard. I heard it once where I heard a thump on the roof right above our, you know, the roof right above her bed. And then thumb, thumb, thumb, thump, thump, thump, like something was running away towards the garage. Wow.

Now, we're not close enough to the trees here. We don't have very many trees where we're at. They pretty much cleared our part of the property when they built the house back in 2007. So it's not something jumping from a tree onto the roof. And again, it's not a quadruped anyway. It's not like a big cat. It's not a crow. It's not an owl.

It is a human. It sounds like somebody walking across. Now, we've not had it for about five, six years, but I've heard it. Sharon heard it multiple times. And we had a house guest for a while, a good friend of Sharon's has stayed with us for a while. And she heard it as well. But if that was the worst they can do was thumping around on the roof, instead of actually getting in and getting to us, then thank the Lord that were protected.

We did have an incident at Skywatch TV once where I got up one morning and I felt this sense of dread like I just knew something was terribly horribly wrong. And to be honest with you, I thought it was I had said something or maybe done something to hurt Sharon's feelings. And so I asked her, you know, is everything okay? And she said, well, actually, no, I'm kind of feeling kind of, you know, it wasn't anything that I had done, but she was feeling the sense of heaviness and oppression too. went into the office that morning.

Josh Peck is in the office. He's feeling it. Another fellow there is feeling it. Josh said his wife, Christina, had been feeling it. Okay, let's maybe let's pray. And one of the other guys said, yeah, why don't we get, you know, and so we actually went around and we anointed the place with oil, which coming from liturgical Lutheran background, you know, this is really not a thing in the Lutheran church,

especially the evangelical Lutheran church, which is way more liberal now than it was back in the 70s and 80s. but still, it's not something I'm accustomed to or used to. But it was weird that there were so many of us who were feeling something all at once. And I don't want to go into any more detail than this, but it turned out that there was somebody we were working with who was experiencing some really intense spiritual attack. And that's really one of the times that I can remember clearly that there was something that multiple people working in an organization, in ministry together. Believers in Christ, okay, nobody possessed, but all of us feeling this real

heaviness, this is, and in my case, like I said, it was a sense of dread. I've done something, something is terribly wrong, and I don't know what it is. And once we realize there are multiple people around us who are feeling the same thing, well, we began to pray against it. And like I said, it did manifest in one of our coworkers, not as a possession case, but just a really kind of serious spiritual attack. So that is how I think people who believe in Jesus Christ, who have the Holy Spirit dwelling inside, can still come under attack. And because of that, we began getting together and praying every morning because it dawned on me. It's like, we're praying after we get smacked upside to head with a two by four. Why are we not putting on the armor beforehand so that we're

yeah, instead of reacting, why are we not doing this in advance? And so that became a thing that we did at Skywatch TV. Sharon and I work at home now primarily. I only have to go into the office about once a week. We've got our home set up as studio space. We're in the process of trying to convert our 1,200 square foot pole barn into office and studio space so we can get our bedrooms back. You can see this is one of our guest bedrooms that's turned into studio. One behind us is another podcast studio. Our shipping office is across the hall. So guests have to sleep on the couch out there.

So anyway. Function over fashion, baby. Right. But while I was in the office at Skywatch TV, it was a regular thing. We would get together and pray every morning. And it was not because we were afraid or fearful. It was just like, why are we waiting until we get slapped around by these demonic forces, by the enemy's minions, before we do something about it?

Sadly, the people who don't have a biblical worldview, and I think many of the people who are putting their trust in artificial intelligence and transhumanism to save them, they're the ones who are going to get smacked around or used by this. And Luke you were right in bringing up Revelation 5, when the abyss, or Revelation 5 rather, when the abyss opens up, no, it is Revelation 9. Excuse me. When Revelation 9 opens up, it's the fifth trumpet, these things that are in the bottomless pit, the watchers, the titans of Greek mythology. the Opcalo of Mesopotamia, when they come flying out and torment humanity for five months, they will long for death. They will long for the rider on the pale horse, but he will flee from them. That's how I think we may see if they get close to maybe not overcoming death, but at least radical life extension. I think we may see some people who wish they hadn't got it when that day comes.

Yeah, that's not curious, right? Because we know this is all headed somewhere. And I had a thought, you know, we're talking, we're talking, Nate and Derek about, you know, the sort of this inhabiting of AI, of this intelligence by, by entities. But what's also interesting is the programming, right?

You have the slant to it, right? This is pretty, we've seen a lot of thought experiments on, on the internet people doing this talking about whether there's ideologies built in. Right. So you send a one or two, like what else is being programmed in by the, by the humans on the side that, that potentially have, you know, a counter-jesus,

counter-Christian worldview, right? Because you have, there's a great one that I've seen a bunch of times. It just says, you know, people start saying, hey, I'm, you know, Asian-American, or I'm African-American. That's great. Congratulations to celebrate that,

and this is I'm white, and it's like, you should be very careful and about not offending other people. So there's ideology is built in, right? Which is bizarre, number one. When I think about this, one, like, there's probably yes-and, like you have this predisposition

in this artificial intelligence that is Antichrist. And at the same time, you have this intelligence to whatever degree feels like there can be influence. And I don't know if it's opening portals. We talk about portals and the stuff. We talk about gateways and whatever you want to call them. I think that's probably very possible.

Especially when you're starting to get into quantums, what's happening behind the scenes and some of these actual computers that are processing the data that this thing returns with its answers. Feels like a magic gate ball, just very much probably a little more gnarly, right? And then I'm glad you brought this as I wanted to ask. about the eschatology because it's we talk a lot about the transhumanism thing and and how this integrates right and I love that you brought these short stories that were really prognosticating this idea that eventually it comes down to the switch where the machine decides of where the

enemy right and you know I don't I don't know how this plays out I think you made a good point like it's not that we find immortality necessarily when I say we humanity at the end and we've talked a lot about the idea of what makes us human and that there perhaps even these markings, the mark of the beast and these things could be genetic, right? And not necessarily whatever, like a microchip in your, remember the 80s videos of microchipping your in your arm. But the things are happening too. So I don't know. I mean, we don't know. But I just wonder how this becomes integrated. Elon Musk, as we talked about before, is talking about putting, you know, neuralink, you putting chips into people's brains. And this has to play into the end, whether

we are by choice taking medicine that changes our DNA, or if we are by choice integrating technology into our biology, this has to be a part of it. And that's why I really wanted to bring you on and talk about this, because I think it's such an important conversation to have is just to be awake to the idea that things are happening. They're happening behind the scenes. These aren't happening all the time. And I have a New York Times article up about Elon Musk here on my computer where you get bits and pieces, but you don't really know what's happening back And then we have the interface, right? It's great.

You know, Chad GPT, you can write an email. Someone in my company sent out an email, you know, about with Chatbtbt that wrote like an intro email to a, you know, to a potential client. That's fascinating. But it's also weird. It's also very strange because we're essentially removing the humanity, right? And the other thing is really fascinating, Nate, being in the music business is that you have these deep fakes now of like these artists that are dead.

Yeah. Singing songs that aren't there. I saw one with Sinatra. I saw one with Notorious B-I-G. I saw one that was Kurt Cobain. And it's just, back to this, there's something here that is very powerful and it's not good. Inherently it's not bad or good,

but as I'm saying, it's being hardwired and or hacked, essentially or inhabited for purposes that are not good. And I just think we need to be aware of this. Well, that's relates to something we talked about before the program. I actually exchanged a couple of ideas last week. There is a meme that has become sort of a symbol for the growing power of artificial intelligence among developers. And this is a creature that was created by HP Lovecraft almost 100 years ago for his novella,

The At the Mountains of Madness, which is a story about the explorers in Antarctica who stumble on the subterranean chamber and, you know, great old ones who are protected by these tentacled, many-eyed creatures called the Shogoth. And so this Shogoth has become sort of a meme like a running joke between people who are in the business of developing artificial intelligence. Because there was a meme that was created by one developer that shows two of these creatures. One of them says GBT3, and then another one is GPT3. with some new development like automated learning from human feedback or something like that. And the second one, because it's getting human feedback, is concealing or hiding the fact that it's this hide, many-eyed, blobby, betenticled monster with a little smiley face mask on one of its tentacles.

So that's the meme, the Shogoth. It's not a creature in and of itself, but it's sort of, again, sort of a dark joke between people who are developing these tools that there may be a monster hiding behind the smiley things that we're creating here. And this gets back to what I said earlier, that honest researchers in artificial intelligence, these guys who are developing these neural networks, the algorithms that power the AIs, don't know themselves what's going on inside those black boxes. Does it make you think about how this plays out in nature sometimes, like, viruses, do things like this.

They take over the host and then they kind of rewrite the code and program in the body. I listened to this long podcast once about how people were taking certain parasites because it was making them less they had less allergies

when they were getting, I think it was a certain type of a parasite in their body. And that you know, the human body in so many ways is like it's like a machine. It's like a machine.

it's just, you know, we have this biology, but we always have this electricity, and we need metals, right? We need certain metals to function, zinc, copper. And we, you know, we can be hijacked. And I don't know, it just raises so many questions of like the lines there are rarely, you know, the more you study how intricate our bodies are wired,

it makes me think that, you know, in ancient history, we've always been trying to hack ourselves. We've always been trying to change things. And, like, Derek Olson comes on. He talks about some of these healing chambers in the ancient world and what they were doing with certain frequencies. It's kind of like we've always been doing this. Is you know what I'm saying?

Like, we've kind of always been dabbling with it. But now technology is at a rate that everyone has access to it. Whereas I think maybe in the past it wasn't like this. I kind of threw a lot at you there. But just a lot of thoughts in my mind about. I just always wonder like where the line is because so many people in our channels are freaked out about everything. Yeah. Yeah. They're worried about all these things. Keep people to remember. And insurance sometimes has to pull me in off the ledge, especially when I'm doing the daily five and ten for Skywatch TV because my head is deep into the news and the politics.

Looking at these court cases, these charges that have been filed against Trump that should not. Yeah. Should not be. I mean, you've got a local attorney, a district attorney in New York who's filing. federal charges. You've got the guy in Florida who's just filed the federal charges against Trump and he's trying to build a federal criminal case that's based on civil law. And, you know, again, they're not supposed to be able to do that and yet they aren't. So when you get caught up in that, you can find yourself ready to throw bricks at your television set. But at the end of the day, you know, Sharon says, Derek, Psalm 2, Psalm 2, which is very simple. Why do the nations rage and the people's plot in vain. The kings of the earth set themselves and the rulers take counsel together

against the Lord and against his anointed, against his Messiah, saying, let us burst their bonds apart and cast away their cords from us. He who sits in the heavens laughs. The Lord holds them in derision. Then he will speak to them in his wrath and terrify them in his fury, saying, As for me, I have set my king on Zion, my holy hill. They can plan whatever they want. It ain't going to work. So at the end of the day, this is how we can laugh. We years ago interviewed a woman who had done some really brilliant research into some of the forces behind the 9-11 attacks.

And she had been there. She was a first responder in Manhattan on that day. So she saw firsthand what had taken place. And it really scarred her. But she was also a risk analysis, what was her career. So maybe she wasn't a first responder, but she was there anyway in the vicinity. She saw what happened. But risk analysis was her business.

And so she was able, she had the chops to start investigating some of the money trails behind what had happened that day. And so we interviewed her a couple of times. And at some point, guess she just thought that Sharon and I were just too happy to be legit. And so she started posting stuff to the internet about us, how we were, you know, clowns. And like, okay, well, I mean, if we really were joking about all this, we could find better things to do than podcasting. Because, you know, back in 2005 and six, when we were podcasting, we were doing it with a couple of tin cans wired through a handy cam to give us power to plug into a Mac laptop. It was, it was really, we didn't have the tools that are available today in 2023 to make this really easy.

And we could have been doing other things that would have been a lot more fun and maybe even, you know, made some money because podcasting didn't pay anything back in 2005. Anyway, it's not that we didn't take it seriously. We took it seriously, which is why we were even talking about it at all. But we can laugh at the end of the day in the face of all of this darkness, whether it's 9-11, whether it's the Franklin cover-up, whether it's the, you know, the Clinton Friends list. people who, you know. Body count. Yeah, the body count. You can look at those things. You can look at the way children are trafficked in this world and be righteously angry. But at the end of the day, come back to Psalm 2 and say, yes, these fools, Klaus Schwab and the globalist around him think they're winning.

They think they're winning. And the Lord, looking down from his throne, laughs at them and holds them in. derision. They are fools. They have been deceived. So will an artificial intelligence, an artificial superintelligence, an autonomous artificial intelligence someday develop the power to start doing its own yes, it might. The path between here and Armageddon is going to be a rocky one, but at the end of it, we will be raised in corruptible, says Paul. And hey, you know, immortality with God, new heaven, new earth, this beautiful planet reset to its original factory specifications? Look forward to that.

Yeah. We're fighting a holding action until then. We're ministering to the people who don't even know why they're wounded. They don't realize they're in the middle of a battle. Come on. I mean, forget about having spiritual, you know, putting on the whole armor of God. They don't even know they're in the middle of a battlefield. So we witness to them, we minister to them, we help them, we love on them,

remembering that the people who are cursing at us, spitting on us, the people like the people who were at the White House over the weekend with that flag flying in the front of the White House door, all right, you know, mock God if you want, we'll love you if you're willing and ready to listen. We know that a lot of those people are actually in a lot of pain, which is why they do what they do. Just remembering, they're not cursing us. They're cursing the one we represent. God will not be mocked. He died for them too. He died for them too. If they're willing to listen. And, you know, our mission is to try. to be available and not make ourselves into stumbling blocks between them and the gospel of Jesus Christ. So, yeah, things, things are, well, I've had to take a while coming to that because there was a time some years back where I thought my mission in life was to be a one of those online discernment ministries, pointing out the logs or the, the fly specks in everyone else's eyes. It's like, yeah, it's like, don't touch my log. The log in my eye, I'm really comfortable with that log right there. Yeah, just leave that a little. We're building the cabin here. So let's leave that

be, right? So trying to be a little more gracious. These things, though they seem powerful and scary, and they may have nefarious things behind them, our role is to, is to remember that I am, you know, has, is the beginning in the end. And he is, as you say, he is on the throne. And, and I think a lot of times in this show and I know you cover a lot of the a lot of this stuff too because you can get bogged down and all in all the negativity right and in this show we took cover a lot of dark things and I know I loved what you'd said there because we do try to always bring it back in the end to the things that matter it's about exposing the darkness and about understanding as a few you know as it says Ephesians about do not you know you not participate in the things of the darkness but

instead expose them right and that's that's what we want to do right at the same and at the same time shine that light on Christ and I and I we We don't know what's ahead, right? And when we were talking about flip phones and, you know, many Nokia's, you were talking about what could happen. And it has happened. And so I just know this is something that is becoming pervasive. And I think it's important that we have discussions like this too. Sure.

Because Jesus told us to be as wise as serpents while we were out there being as gentle as doves. Yeah. I love it, Derek, because you drop so many, like, keywords that AI is not going to like and flag this podcast. episode. Well, trying to get around them. Get them all in there. Yeah. You're just like, oh, you want to, you want to shut us down AI?

Well, here's 10 things. I know you're not going to lie. I love it. But all those, like, you know, all those rabbit holes I've been down and that's not really like what we talk a lot about on our podcast. We obviously get into blurry creatures. Try to keep it into, you know, the realm of cryptids and weird, strange sightings and such. Is there something in, because you're an ancient history.

buff and you're you know you're walking on encyclopedia one of my last questions is like is there an ancient creature that that kind of mimics what's going on today that some sort of connection of light because everything seems to be a circle you know everything is comes around yeah exactly yeah is there something that you could you could look to in ancient times to be like I think they're going to kind of put this sort of thing that they did and do it again well we're definitely seeing a return to the times of ancient Mesopotamia and I that I I did a presentation for Skywatch TV's spring virtual conference and called it Build Back battle because I think that's what the World Economic Forum is trying to do. They're trying to

recreate the kingdom of Nimrod, the kingdom of Oruk of 5,000, more than 5,000 years ago, where people were all compelled to live inside the city walls because outside the city walls it's all scary out there. And so we've got to depend on the government for our daily allotment of bread, we go out, we work in the fields, come back in at night, inside the city walls. And that's really a just a very simple summary of what the World Economic Forum wants for all of us. They want to herd us all into 15-minute cities, where everything we need is within a 15-minute walk. We will own nothing. We'll be happy. They'll give us our universal basic income. But, of course, we'll have to do what they want us to do, these technocrats who are alone,

qualified to tell us how to best manage the resources we need for optimal human civilization, we'll have to let them tell us exactly how much we can use in terms of carbon. Is that how it was? It was like that in Mesopotamian? When you go back to the kingdom of Iraq, which the Bible tells us the beginning of Nimrod's kingdom was Iraq. That's just a different spelling. Today we call it Iraq. Isn't it interesting after they divided up Mesopotamia after World War I? They named that country after the kingdom of Nimrod. Wow.

Interesting. I've argued, in fact, I wrote a paper, which is available at academia.edu, that 33rd degree freemasonry essentially venerates Nimrod. That Hiram Abiff is essentially a blind for Nimrod, but I digress. They found the kingdom of Arruk, the archaeological sites that are identified as from the O'Rook period of history. It was a period about 800 years from like 39. 100 to 3100 BC, where Uruk dominated Mesopotamia, everything from the Persian Gulf to the

Torres Mountains in Turkey were under the control of Uruk. And they can identify these sites by finding what they call the beveled rim bowl. It's a little white clay bowl that looks like a kid made it out of Plato. And when they find one, they usually find dozens, sometimes hundreds, because they were the the 5,000 year ago equivalent of a styrofoam fast food. container. The Sumerian logogram for the word bread is this bowl. The Sumerian logogram for the verb to eat is this bowl held up to the mouth. So archaeologists have concluded that in ancient Uruk and in that civilization, the workers would get their daily allotment of barley

in one of these little bowls because they're not fired. So you couldn't put liquid in them. They weren't good for multiple uses. Basically, you put your daily allotment of barley and it take it out to the field, eat your barley or whatever, and then throw it away, which is why they find lots and lots of these things at a site. When they find those, oh, okay, a rook. The odd thing is that culture really could make some very fine pottery, some really nice artwork too. But this was the identifying characteristic of the kingdom of Nimrod, the beveled rim bowl. Here's your daily allotment. Here's your universal basic income. surf, go out and work for the king, come back in in our, your, your, uh, it was the MRE.

Essentially, yeah. And live in the barracks that you've been assigned. You'll own nothing and you'll be happy. Uh, that is what they're trying to take us back to. So, um, that and, and I don't think it's coincidental that the chief, the patron deity of Aruc was Inana. Inana, who was also known as Ishtar in the Bible, she's called Astarte. She was the gender fluid deity of violence, a war, but really mindless violence, and carnal sex. She is remembered in Sumerian hymns for being able to change men into women and women into men. And her temple servants and acolytes would be transvestites and sometimes would be, well, castrated. and the men who served, yeah, it would be,

and they would have to do it to themselves as part of the rights to become a servant of Inana in the temple. Well, this show took a hard turn. Yeah, it's, but when you look at what's going on... We just needed one more flag. We need to get flagged one more time. Derek's like, I'm going to throw all of them out there. When you look at the world that we're in today,

you can see that same spirit at work today. And I tell you what, it is a cult, and it enforces its blasphemy laws, more energetically than the Spanish Inquisition ever did. Wow. I also think it's interesting with Nimrod and Babel, right? Now we have this technology that's going to be seamlessly create translations. We kind of, Nate and I kind of talked about that just in potentially translating show and stuff, right? Then you start to wonder like, if you can do that, you can kind of create this universal translation that could happen at, you know, at nanoseconds.

Then you really have universal language. then you kind of have Babel. And then once you have that and you have this transhumanism and this, you know, this one, the Bible and Revelation, we talk about Revelation and this one world government. Then you have kinetic war and enmity with God, right? And that's what Niamrod wanted to do is go to war with God. And it feels like all of these things kind of fit. Like you have to say, I think it's kind of just fits like with transhumanism.

And then all the geopolitical things we're seeing and all the ideologies. And they start to fit. And I think what you're talking about to Nate's question is, it's really a great answer. You have this return. We talked about this ad nauseum, right? Like the return to the golden age, right? That's the goal of the occult.

Probably a lot of these, the shadow governments is a return to that. And in that, you have everybody kind of speaking the same language, everybody at this place, and you're building this piece of technology, and it was babble, to the ziggurat to war with Yahweh.

And isn't it crazy that everything is a circle, man? Because we are, That is Armageddon. That's where you're heading back to, right? We're heading all the way back to that. And I think it's all coming back to three main entities, well, four main entities. And in fact, Jonathan Kahn really did a good job of presenting this to a much wider audience than we've been able to do over the last eight years. His most recent book, Return of the Gause, focuses on three that he calls the unholy Trinity.

Satan, who is bail in the ancient world, Jesus in Matthew 12, identified. Satan as Bielzable, Bail the Prince. Also, Revelation 213, where he's the Church of Pergamum, which is where the great altar of Zeus was located, Zeus just being bailed, the Greek form of bail. Satan, for one, the destroyer who is Molek, who my book, the Second Coming of Saturn, is all about that. Molek is Shemiyazah, the chief of the watchers who rebelled in Genesis 6, but also Apollyon, Abadon, who gets out of the pit in Revelation 9. And the third being the enchantress, Inana, Ishtar, Astarte, and he goes very deeply into her influence.

We would argue there's a fourth one, which is Chaos, Leviathan, who we think is the spirit that will indwell the Antichrist when he comes out of the sea in Revelation 13. But that's sort of like the unholy four that will kind of lead the things in the end times. Satan is the king of this world right now. Jesus in Rev. in Matthew 12 said, if Satan casts out demons by his own power, how will Satan's kingdom stand? It's like, okay, so Satan has a kingdom. All right.

But these other entities, we think, may be united with him in wanting to knock God off of his throne, but they're also competing with each other to see who will be the one to replace him. Inana, we believe, is Mystery Babylon, or Babylon the Great, a scarlet woman who rides the seven-headed beast. That seven-headed beast is chaos, Leviathan. And then you've got the king, the angel of the abyss, the king of the bottomless pit, Shemiyazha, Apollyon, Abadon, the destroyer who gets out for five months. I think they all have their own ideas about who's going to rule at the end.

But again, back to Psalm 2. You know, why do the nations rage in the people's plot in vain? It's a game of Thrones that they cannot win. It's the ultimate Game of Thrones, right? Right. Yeah. Man. Love it, dude.

That's awesome. So we learned about ancient Big Mac boxes. Yeah. We sure did. Just handing them out. It's your happy meal. It was the unhappy meal. The unhappy meal.

Yeah, it's like the crave case of White Castle. Here you go. This is really going to hurt tomorrow. We've kind of done a little fast food roundabout today. Yeah. Any more flagged topics you didn't want to throw out there before you go, Derek? We could talk about circumcision. It's in the Bible a lot.

That might do it. AI flagging that these days. I don't know. I don't know. Well, yeah. Good luck editing around that. It's always a pleasure. We're grateful for you and have you on the show.

And as always, let everybody know what you're up to. You've mentioned a few things, right? You've talked about, I know you have a daily update you do with Skywatch TV. But you and you and Sharon are always doing, like, I don't know how you, you guys are the most productive people ever,

ever. You guys are always doing a plethora of amazing and complicatedly and wonderful things. The funny thing is that we feel like slugs, that we're not getting as much done as we want to get done. I can't believe that. I mean, I understand that feeling, but also just like you guys just, your machines in the greatest sense of it. And I, yeah. Thank you. Yeah. So what's going on? What's happening? Our weekly programs, unraveling revelation, which is our broadcast show about prophecy, Bible prophecy. PID Radio, which is our weekly program that goes back to 2005. We, you know, stands for peering into darkness, which is what we do. and then my podcast, which is more of an interview show of You from the Bunker, that's been out since 2009,

which features now for the last year and a half once a month, bring in Judd Burton, Doug Van Doren, Brian Goddawa on an Iron and Myth series. I love it. Yeah. So, and the one we just released just a couple of weeks ago, feature some exclusive video that we brought back from Israel and showed the megalithic site on the Jordan River, East Bank of the Jordan River, just two miles north of the Sea of Galilee that Israelis don't even know is there. And it's like 900 feet from the parking lot of a public park. And you walk, you know, through it. We went through the other direction.

We had to go through a cattle gate to, you know, using GPS to find it. But it's like Gilgall Refayne, about half the size, but it's the same kind of thing. These big concentric rings made of big blocks of volcanic rock around a central tumulus. And it's on the bank of the Jordan River. The bank slopes down about 100 feet from there. We think, and this is going to be in a video that we're going to produce, we hope it'll be out by the end of the year, that we're going to call the Valley of the Shadow of Death,

talking about what we discussed in our last visit. But we got drone footage from our good friend Aaron Lipkin, who owns Lipkin tours. And he loves excuses to go out and take that 4K video drone. We've got video of that site in still images that nobody has, thanks to Aaron, we think that's where Jesus, we think Jesus was baptized down below that that megalith. And Doug was the one who came up with this just a couple of weeks ago. We think that's also where Jesus fed the 5,000.

That's awesome. It's only half a mile from Beth Saida, which is the hometown of Peter, Andrew, and Philip. So, yeah, we can make the case from Scripture. But yeah, it's astonishing when you see that region and see that there are so many of these sites out there that echo that shape like Doug's serpent mound of Bashan that he found back in 2013. We've got some great drone footage of that too. And we come to find out after spending a day with the archaeologists who do the most recent dig there, there's a tomb on the back of that serpent that is built just like Gilgal Refayim. It's just a smaller version of it. Three concentric rings around a central core covered up with rock.

It's like 20 feet high on the back of this 20 foot high serpent. So it's like, they're all over. They're all over the Golan Heights. The ancient kingdom of Aeg of Bishan is just covered with these megalithic tombs. Ancient Bishan was a great big necropolis and that's going to be the focus of this video. I'm excited. I love it. We did an episode which talked a lot about this and we talked about the Valley of Shadow Death as well, but we talked about how just briefly so we don't start another podcast here, but how, you know, how Jesus and even Yahweh, the Old Testament, what they did was it was geographically and also cosmically important, right? Yes, yes.

We talked about with the baptism of Jesus in the land of Bashan at the gates of the Valley Shadow of Death and how cosmically these are. The same thing happened at Mount Herman with Jesus taking disciples there and saying on this rock. These are all very specific geographical and cosmic implications to what Jesus is doing. And I just think that's just the coolest thing. it's like a it's 4D it's 4D Bible right like you this is all happening these all these things are here these are and it's Jesus going and dude he's just doing war like he's he's he's just making he is he's literally putting these places under his feet in the right physical and the cosmic sense

and so yes I'm excited to see that that's that's awesome yeah we're an 80s show there Derek what's your favorite Terminator movie oh man here we go well the first one first one of course okay okay it's between the first one and the second one I think the later ones were was there any good term in here after movies after the second one

I didn't watch it I need your boots in your motorcycle what about your favorite movie in this this whole this whole like transhumanism AI space the transhumanism space

just like the AI like you know there's been so many movies like this over the years I'm just wondering if there's if you can like you got to watch this movie to encompass a lot of what we talked about today. You know, the one that really people should watch is the one with Johnny Depp.

And I can't remember what the name of that one was. They reanimate him. Yeah. Yeah, right? And he's like, did they reanimate his like soul? Transcendence. Transcendence. Yeah.

That was from about 2014. That one really gets into some very interesting themes. And that's one people, people ought to watch. What about the 1988? classic Derek, they live with rowdy, Roddy Piper. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Dude, I mean, that is, you can't. That is, I mean, that is a film that was

way ahead of its time. There was a scene in that with the guy who played the old, you know, he was a character actor who often played like the old prospect or whatever, guy with the beard, you know, buck flowers. Everybody, look, all you got to do is just, you know, say yes, just give in. Everybody just wants a, you know, a little taste of the good life.

Come on. And basically it was telling us what the elites were trying to do. Yeah, so yeah, they live as another really good eye-opening movie. One of the highlights of my life was I had commented on something and I knew that Roddy Piper had a Twitter account at the time before he passed sadly. And I mentioned they live and I tagged him on it and he responded with a, you know, with a like, and it was like, oh, legend. Yeah, epic. complete episode, bro. We got Hayes wrestling.

We got the live. What do you think about Luke's favorite movie, Waterworld? I've never seen it. Never seen it. Well, this is your homework between next time. Do we do bring the, okay, this is digress so hard. This probably didn't make the show. But this is the most underrated Kevin Costner movie of all time, number one.

And number two, there's really great themes. Like, I mean, there's no land. The smokers are on those 80s jet skis. It's worth your time just to see what kind of thematics you can pull out of It was the most expensive movie at the time. It's pretty terrible. But it's also pretty awesome in the same vein. You know, you kind of hold those things equal.

Yeah, sometimes once you grow a little bit, you get a little more complete worldview. You see things that you didn't notice the first time through. And it makes a little more sense. Or perhaps you see the messages that maybe even the filmmaker didn't intend. Yeah, just like point break, right? Lou. I knew you're going to bring the point break.

Dude, the dead presents are surfers. You know, there's always a message there, do they left the surf wax in the scene of the crime. And who found it? Gary Busey.

There's a metaphor there, Derek. I don't know what it is, but we'll unpack that next time on blurry creature. That's right. That's right. That's right, Derek.

If you want to get Luke a Christmas present, it's either bourbon, a gift card for tacos or director's cut of Waterworld. Just. Or anything point break themed is all so awesome.

I'm going to take that. Just kidding. Now, hey, we're on a serious note, we're grateful for the time, man. It's always a pleasure. Enjoyed it. We love having you on Derek. So we'd have to bring you back. And honestly, you dropped a nugget there, and I'm like, that's an episode.

This does need to be on the recording. But when you talked about... On Nimrod as being the actual object of iteration for 33rd degree free masonry. Yes, that's what I want. Masonry and Nimrod at some point. All right, we'll put that in the bank. We'll get you out this. summer sometime we'll do that again.

Yeah. Anyway. We don't have a lot to add to the conversation, Derek, but we appreciate that you spend your time with us. Oh, it's great. Tell Sharon, we said hello and we can't thank you enough, man. I enjoyed it. Thank you guys. Thanks, Derek.

Good to see you. God bless you. Good to see you. Bye. Bye.