Blurry Creatures - EP: 2 How Bigfoot Became Legend

Episode Date: August 22, 2020

We discuss the history of Bigfoot and how it climbed out of the pages of myth into popular culture. Before 1967 "Bigfoot" was just hearsay and something only natives and woodmen talked about. We also go into depth about the physical characteristics of this creature based on thousands of eye witness accounts. What does Bigfoot look like? Do they walk like us? Does it smile? Is it friendly? Strap in and take the journey of what exactly people describe when they talk about these creatures. Please leave us a great review!  blurrycreatures.com instagram.com/blurrycreatures facebook.com/blurrycreatures twitter.com/blurrycreatures outro music: timecop1983.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Oh, like, okay. That's all right. My mom. Oh, that's really nice, honey. Okay. Yeah, you're like, see what I'm saying, though? Bigfoot has a stigma, right? Sure does.

And you know when it got that stigma? You know when it got its name, Luke? Nate, I don't know when it got its name. Okay, so 1958, Bigfoot went from being something that fur trappers, locals, natives, you know, prospectors, loggers, those kinds of people. They knew about it. They didn't talk about it. They didn't spend time defending if it existed or not. They just said, hey, if you're going to go over here and you're going to look for gold, watch out for this thing.

Then in 1958, though, Bigfoot hit the mainstream, and this is how it happened. Bluff Creek, California, many years earlier in 1958, a bunch of guys are building the road. They're trying to get this giant road in there. They got all this big gear, and they're trying to open up for the logging industry, right? So they can get a lot of stuff in and out of that town. And the roads are, they're small. So they got all this gear out there. And then they come out in the morning, and they notice there's tracks all over the place. But more importantly, their stuff is scattered all over the place. And they notice that like 700-pound tractor tires have been rolled around.

I picked up, moved. Yeah, so it's, it's, you're not doing CrossFit out there in 1958, you know what I'm saying? It's great. 700 pounds. There's, Nate, there's a select few humans on this planet, probably named Thor and Sven. They can actually move a 700 pound tractor tire and not moved in the way that this article describes it. These guys, these lumberjack, these road building construction crew, they're bewildered.

It shook them up pretty good. So much so that 15 crew members quit due to this bizarre spreading of tools, equipment, and essentially the tossing of 700-pound tractor tires on the job site. Yeah, you show up to work, you see these footprints all over the place, and you kind of go, all right, who did it? You know, there's always a range of people when something like this happens. You know what I mean? Like you have a tragedy or you have a weird event. There's always a guy that's just like super pumped. He's like, dude, oh my gosh, he's freaking out.

And then there's a guy in the corner that's like pooping his pants. Right. You know what I'm saying? And there's always just a range of emotion. Like if aliens came down tomorrow, you know, there would be someone out there like, you know. Like Randy Quaid in Independence Day. I mean, he's ready for it. He's out there waiting for it to happen.

There's going to be those guys. And then there's the guys that are literally terrified. It's like, this doesn't happen to me. This doesn't happen in reality. I get up, I go to work, I come home. I have no drama in my life. They can't handle it. So they quit.

They just up and quit. And the local newspaper, I think it was from Humboldt County, shows up. They take a photo of the guy who made a cast, a plaster cast of the footprint. And they snap this photo, dude, and it's like it went viral. Just went out on the media wire and all these local stations picked up the story. And then boom. Bigfoot over night. Night was a household name.

The legend is born. Everyone knew about it. Right. This is where it all started. I mean, this is, this is, this is where you get Bigfoot. This is now why we have a monster truck from the 80s and 90s, named Bigfoot. This is where everything started. It became more than whispers and oral tradition and thousands of years of non-scientific

documenting. Yeah. It was birth into the 20th and in the 21st century and really into the scientific enlightenment period. We're now where we document, where we measure, we weigh, and we record,

and we give things Latin names. And this is, I think this is really where I think Bigfoot crossed out of the pages of history and into, into really the common era, in a way that I think made,

made people feel comfortable to really come out and talk about their own experiences, right? Yeah, and I've seen this happen with, like, bands and music. In my 20s, I toured in a rock band, I sang in a rock band, and I remember being on tour with other bands

and they were just like bands that like some people kind of knew about and then all of a sudden they had this song or they got on a major label or someone else took them on tour and next thing you know dude they were like a household name they went from like nobody knew like you know a select few people knew about this band to like the world knows about this band I've seen that happen so many times and the same thing happened with Bigfoot

as soon as it kind of hit the mainstream everyone's like oh I saw that thing 10 years ago I saw that thing where I was in Oklahoma. I was in Michigan. I mean, you got loggers all over the United States coming out and saying these stories. But before that, Luke, and you hit this in episode one really good, you were talking about how fur trappers, prospectors, loggers, natives, hunters, they had stories of this thing forever. Wild Man of the Woods.

It wasn't Bigfoot yet. Right. And what I really want to hit home is there's been several sightings, specifically two guys that got abducted by. Bigfoot. Literally thrown in their sleeping bag, carried to like a den and then dumped out and then literally were there with them for days trying to escape. There's some of these accounts that they describe these creatures in detail. It's not just like, oh, I saw this blurry blob. It's like, nope, you could literally draw it. Right. That's how much description was given from these guys. I think you and I in this episode are going to paint, like, what does a Bigfoot look like?

Let's talk about the physical attributes of these creatures. And we're going to, going to base these on thousands of eyewitness descriptions who all say the same thing. The details don't vary. Yeah. And I don't think people realize that. And I think that leads credence. I mean, obviously all this is circumstantial evidence. If we're laying out a case as if we would in court, I think when you have enough

witnesses that say the same thing, it absolutely leads credence to the case you're laying out. What we're going to cover here is those things that remain constants throughout a myriad of different people from different walks, from different years, from different countries that say the same thing. And I think it's worth laying that out as if we would lay out a case saying, here's what we know. And I want to backtrack a little bit. I mean, we're starting out this blurry creature's journey. Before we jump into the deep end, it begs us to lay a foundation. right so this is the most recognizable the most talked about the most influential crypto that there is and that's bigfoot and while this podcast the nate and i are putting together is about blurry creatures

we need to start here and before we jump into all the different rabbit holes and theories and interviews that we're going to do around this subject we need to start with the basics because this is this, like I said, this is a journey. We're taking one step at a time. You've got to crawl before you, before you stand. You got to stand before you walk. Got to walk before you run. And if we're going to build a foundation, we need to understand what is known and what is,

quote, common knowledge. What are the givens about Bigfoot? Great metaphor, because right off the bat, that is the most noticeable thing people say every single time. It was on two feet. It was walking. And the scientific term is it was bipedal. And this is something that like people, you know, you go into the woods,

nothing walks on two feet. Right. Nothing. Yeah. Every once in a while a bear can stand up, scratch itself. A bear will take a step or two. But, you know, it goes back down. And I think that that's really the part where the fear comes in.

And people's like, oh, there's something standing over there looking at me. It's on two feet. Right. Or it's running, right? And that's the other thing, too, is that bears aren't going to run bipedally. They don't. And I think what's really scary for most of the people to witness this is that the only thing that would be by opinion would be a human. And yet these people know this isn't human.

It's maybe humanoid or have characteristics of a human. But when it's not a human, that's what's scary, I think, is that it's something that walks on two feet. And man, it's not a person. Yeah. Yeah. It's a lot bigger. And a lot of people who have, say, encounters at night where this creature comes around the house, they often say, they often say, I could hear it walking on two feet.

You can tell. It's like a thump. Thumb. Thump. You know, you can tell like a horse walking with four legs or any other creature with four legs over animal with two legs. It's just obvious. You can tell. I think that's something that's like right out of the gate.

Everyone describes it bipedal, walks with two feet. And I think the next part is like, okay, what kind of foot are we talking about, right? The casts. I don't know if you know this loop, but. There's a term called the mid-tarsal break. And I've heard many, you know, the nerdy guys talk about this. So a big foot has a flex in the middle. It can like break.

It's got like a hinge right in the middle. And you can see this on the casts. When they cast the foot, it's like there's a little ridge in the middle. And the scientists who do recognize this creature will say, yeah, it has like a mid-tarsal break. So when it's walking up hills, dude, it has like a hinge in its foot. So it can go like straight up a mountain. and you would think like human beings

our feet don't work like that you know what I mean we just have the ball and it just kind of moves at our ankle and that's about it but theirs is like they got like this traction

foot where they can literally probably traverse straight up a mountain that's advantageous and you can see that in the cast sometimes it feels like when you get that phone bill it's like the crash site document

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It's like if you can fold your foot or essentially, that's what you can hinge your foot. You have a hinge in the middle. So you can like step and then your foot can bend into the step. Imagine just having a hinge in the middle of your foot. it's basically like your foot is able to flex and move and that's kind of nerdy that's next level stuff I heard that a lot but it's like a feature that's crazy I mean I didn't know that they can tell by these cats I didn't know that it seems like they'd be something that would be really tough to hoax yeah and it's hard to to hoax you and I think that's the thing about the tracks is they see

these in the tracks right so the next part is like the the the tracks show scars wounds injuries, lines in the skin, and toe prints. So they have these casts, they're like, you can't fake injuries, the scars that have healed and healed back. You know what I mean? Like, you can't really fake fingerprints. It's, I mean,

maybe the technology is getting there now, but they've had these tracks for decades that have these features in them. Like, oh, this is, this thing got a major gouge in its foot and it healed, and you can see that in the footprint. It's not like George Lucas has been running around

in the woods since the 50s. making fake footprints. Even then you're going to cut out a foot out of like a piece of wood and walk around with some, you can't fake the footprints. And a lot of the scientists who do recognize this say, hey look, we have like proof that this, this cast isn't fake. Well, I'll say one of the things too is that there's a ton of evidence, actual striations in the skin that you can pick up that give it a unique toe print,

a unique footprint, a unique heel print, things that you... Exactly. You would see if you and I walked barefoot through paint. That's the same kind of evidence that we're seeing people find and document here in the scientific era. Can you imagine going through like spending months and months and months trying to come with some gel-like foot that could like leave an impression but like fingerprints on these on these cast? I don't know. I don't even know if it's possible. Yeah, for a hoax.

I don't know who has that kind of want to. There's probably a terminal time limit, right? Like, dude, okay, this is not really worth it anymore. It's stop being funny. Now it's essentially dominating all my time. Yeah, it's like next level hoaxing. That I don't even know if it's possible. Some of the scientists are-

I think it's less likely, you know, 30, 40, 50, 60 years ago, way less likely. That even when someone would spend the time or even be able to try to hoax that. That aspect of what was found in the 60s and 70s. And all over, right? Someone's got to like send these casts all over the place and organize them and then hope somebody finds them.

It's just too impossible. But when they see these tracks, though, here's the next part. Bigfoot walk in a straight line, an absolute straight line. They don't walk side by side and their heads don't bob up and down like humans. When humans walk, we kind of bob up. up and down, and we kind of walk left to right, and we have a certain amount of distance between our foot tracks. Yeah. Bigfoot often, they just kind of have like a straight stride. Like one foot in front of the other? Yes. So when they see like the Himalayan tracks and they see in the

snow tracks, they're literally in a straight line. The way that their knees and their legs work, they walk right in front of each other in a straight line. Like a sobriety test. Essentially, they walk the line, right? Exactly. When Johnny Cash. And then sometimes they'll find these tracks in the snow or whatever, right? And you got like a huge length between tracks. So somebody would have to literally hop two feet forward, three feet forward, land straight, and then keep going all the way down and have it be perfect, right? It's not just a fake footprint.

It's literally dozens of footprints in a straight line, perfect distance from each other, you know. It gets real nerdy, but some of these Bigfoot guys, they go to their grave saying this thing exists and they go through all this evidence and people still go, oh, you're crazy. It's all a hoax. A backer can say that, yeah, I mean, this stuff has been hoaxed. But there's an obvious difference, but the obvious difference between what a hoaxer was able to do with a set of a wooden shoes, it's pretty obvious based on just the last two things we talked about. The gate, the tracks, and then the foot, the last three things we've talked about,

that you can easily disregard a lot of, of the basic, the majority of hoaxes based on the fact that what seems to be the real evidence not only is consistent, but it has a ton of elements that would make it next to impossible to replicate, especially across vast areas, different parts of the country, and maintaining the consistency that we find with things that stick in the evidence bucket. Especially before the internet. I wouldn't be able to talk to this hoaxer, and then you could, couldn't corroborate your stories, he couldn't

corroborate your fake evidence, it would be really difficult. There's just these nerdy little things that like, it's just even the human head bob as you walk through the woods. Like if you're a monkey suit, you're walking through the, even, that's just something you can look for. If you're like, oh, I want to actually look at this Bigfoot. I want to go on YouTube and watch some videos.

And if you see like a monkey suit and guys' heads bobbing up and down, that's probably a dude in his suit. You know what I mean? It's just easy to tell. Because it doesn't follow in line with like what the true hardcore Bigfoot guys say about how he walks, how it walks, how they walk. Man, let's talk about how they run, though.

I've heard dozens and dozens of stories of truckers being on the road at night, driving through the middle of the woods, looking out their window, taking a curb, going 45, 55 miles an hour, and they see a big foot keeping pace with their truck, like outside the window running alongside of it. Like, I don't know about you, but I would terrify me. Right, yeah, and not only that, but then their ability to jump, you know, and cross, you know, four-lane highways in two steps or jump across the two-lane road, you know, in one hop and then disappear. Yeah, one bound. Usually someone will say, like a big foot in the headlights, just boom, boom, across the road.

Right. Well, you're talking about something that runs twice as fast as you're saying bolt. Like, this is like, it's not somebody in a suit. And you're a football guy. This is like the ultimate running back. I mean, this is like Tyree Kail Times too. I mean, we're talking, that's really, really fast. Again, to back this up, there's multiple, multiple sidings.

People have said and been specific about speeds, distances, and noted these things because I think of how outrageous the experience was being like, yeah, I was going. 45, 50. And this thing, this bipedal thing was keeping pace. Like just, it starts to fall outside the realm of being believable. But then you have so many, you know, unconnected experiences. I think when we talk about Bigfoot, right, our inclination is to think it's got to be related somehow to, it's in the primate family, most people think.

And a chimpanzee is like four to five times stronger than a human being. A chimpanzee. You take the strongest human and you take a chimpanzee. It could rip your arms off and beat you with them. I mean, chimps that have become pets. I mean, oftentimes have killed their owners. Yeah. What's the fastest top speed of man can run?

Man, I think it's got to be... Well, I mean... 25. That'd be tip top. Yeah, I don't think it's much faster than that. I know when we look at the NFL, you know, they did do these speed ratings of in-game stuff, and you've got guys that hit 22...

is maybe 23 miles an hour at the fastest you can extrapolate 40 times but look it's not sustainable that's the difference I really think a lot of this is like even the fastest the fastest humans in the world um they sustain this for 100 meters right you know it yeah it's burst it's burst speed and we're not we're not talking about keeping up with a semi at 45 miles an hour running running stride for stride with a car when you get into that that realm it's just it's really really really really different than a human. I'm thinking in my mind, and I've heard this said many times, is that if, you know, they think a big foot could push 20 times, 25 times the strength of a human.

If a human can get hit 20, 22 miles an hour, then it's just not out of the realm of possibilities that this creature could run two, three times faster than that. But I think, yeah, a lot of people driving at night, they see it run across the road, and it's like it just jumps over the road. That's how fast it's going. Just a skip and a bopado. What was that? You know what I mean?

It wasn't like, it's like, like, a human where it's like, you know, just running as hard as it can to get across that road. His little legs are going. It's just like, worry? It's gone. You know, it's basically just like a giant man, like Incredible Hulk. You know what I mean? Kind of thing. Wild man of the woods, right?

Yeah, yeah. So then we move to the top of the animal. You know, sometimes they're behind trees, and it's just like they're sticking out from both ends of these massive trees. So you'll see someone that's often reported. They call it tree peeking wherever. They look around trees. They kind of dodge back and forth. And they're sticking out on the other side of it.

It's terrifying to see the bulk and the size. I'm always interested to see people actually gauge size, right? Like, that's a big shoulders. That's a... I'm sure this is where it gets fuzzy. You're saying this is probably the fuzzy area of how big... Yeah, I mean, I just don't know how you... Because it's somewhere between...

six to ten feet right right and it could be it could be it could be nine feet but they're saying it was seven feet it could be seven feet they're saying it's nine feet you know what I mean well I mean but I think at the end of the day big is big right like so if you're guessing you just know it's a lot bigger than you are as a human not small well their arms are interesting they always say they're like really long arms if you know anything about Hollywood costumes they usually have like extended arms if they're going to do like a gorilla if they do that knuckle walking thing they'll have like a an arm that goes over your arm, kind of like those incredible Hulk cans you can put on. The one you can slip a beer inside of?

Yeah, exactly. Right? So, like, they have, their arms are huge and they're long, and they hang way past their side. And that's one thing that a lot of people break down in the Patterson-Gimlin Field. They say, look at how long her arms are. And they describe how long they are, how they sway. Human beings' arms are a lot higher up. So my question to you then, is how often with long arms like that, my first thought would be, okay, do these things spend time in the trees?

As we see a lot of the species in the ape family. But I don't think I seem to remember a whole lot of sidings of a big foot swinging through the trees. Is that something that happens or is it pretty much understood that these creatures are mostly on the ground? or if not always on the ground. This is a real question. No, I mean, a lot of people think that they're up in the trees a lot, and especially the juveniles. So the juveniles are up in the trees all the time.

And there's actually several videos of juveniles swinging from trees, and they go, what is that? And like I was even watching Survivor Man, you know? Yeah, you were watching his stuff. He did a whole series on, I think it was Season 6 was all Bigfoot. And he's talking into it, talking about Bigfoot. And literally someone broke down a big, a baby juvenile swinging from one tree to the next in the frame behind him.

Wow. Like I was like, dang. And he's out in the like deep in the Alaskan forest, right? Just doing, just like, I don't know. Bigfoot's, you know, doing his little monologues. There's something behind him. This guy was like, look, you can see it swinging from the tree right behind him. Yeah, they're not stupid.

They know. They know they can go way up there and they can hide. They can probably climb a tree in no time. They could probably swing from trees. Why wouldn't they be able to do that? They can, I mean, we're talking superhuman straight. I'm just starting to think of like a 10 foot, like an 8 to 10 footer, you know, weighing like, you know, 1,200 pounds, like swinging around and not breaking branches, you know.

But I think that might be why juveniles do it a little bit more because they are. A bit smaller. Less inclined to break it, break trees, tree limbs, fall out of trees, who knows. A lot of people describe injured bigfoots. Hunters will say, oh, it was injured. And you could tell it was like walking funky, like it got hurt. I don't know. They probably have the ability to get themselves into trouble, too, you know,

for climbing up a tree like that. Since we're on the arm, a lot of people say the hands are just like human hands, but they're just bigger and tougher and snap you in half. But that's what they do. They break trees, big trees. They just snap in half. And a lot of the Bigfoot guys would go out and they'll record and they'll show these trees

that they haven't been sawed down. They haven't been snapped in half by things falling on it. They're literally just someone grabs them. We're talking eight inches in diameter, 10 inches in diameter, and just snapped in half. And you can see where all the fibers in the tree just snapped. It wasn't cut and it wasn't blown over. They just show their strength. Kind of like animals do that.

You know, they mark their territory. And males and lots of different animal kingdom do that. You know, they show their strength, you know what I mean? They fight it. They fight it out. Yeah, I mean, it's pretty normal, right? It sounds like animal behavior, you know, in some alpha that's marking, you know, his territory. So big hands, and you kind of touch on the strength there, too.

We talked a bit about how chimpanzees are four times as strong as man. Bigfoot's strong, maybe 25 times stronger than the fittest man out there. You talk about people getting grabbed? I don't want to get grabbed. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's not something. I poop myself. Yeah, I think I'd be right behind you.

This is another thing that's described all the time. They throw things perfectly. You're talking like the best quarterback of all time right now. He can run 65 miles an hour maybe. He can throw things perfectly. I mean, you're talking like the greatest athlete of all time is Bigfoot. Right. It's really just a trend.

train, a freight train. It's really a wonder that like when Harry joined the Henderson's family, they didn't sign them up for football. I mean, totally, totally missed it. Totally missed like a, you know, a whole side series. They could have run with Harry. But they throw things. They throw things with accuracy.

You know how it is. Like you're skipping rocks. You're throwing rocks. You can't have these giant fat fingers and still throw things. So they throw things. But I think it's just weird, though, if you're like out in the woods and all of a rock just comes flying right by you and doesn't hit you they're trying to like scare you yeah they're trying to buzz you and then there's like stories about them throwing rocks off roofs of cabins a hunting

cabins out in the middle of the woods in alaska there's a pretty famous story about the cabin getting pelted yeah so i yeah so i mean it was long as we're talking about still more attributes right they one of things is very distinctive is that they a lot of times you get an odor right there's a yeah there's a smell like garbage wrapped in dead flesh left out of out in the sun for five weeks kind of smell. I guess people often smell something before they really see something. Why they call it the skunk ape in a lot of places. Man, rotten flesh.

Yeah, you've left, have you ever had like a roadkill like beside your house or something? It sounds like old Bigfoot needs to work on his hygiene. Well, this is a primate thing. This is a primate thing. Like a lot of primates have like a gland in their armpits. and when they get territorial, they release the smell. And so a lot of people will be out in the woods

and I smell this terrible smell and then all of a sudden, like two seconds later, I look around, but there it is. Yeah. And I think if you're out in the woods and you smell something

that smells like dead flesh all of a sudden, like you better have your head on a swivel because... Well, I mean, I think my assumption would be I was walking up on something dead, right? Like there was like a deer carcass or something that had died in the forest. But if immediately after you're seeing something,

And it's not a little Bambi laying there on the ground. It's... Yeah. It's hairy. Terrible smell is reported all the time with sightings. And so I think moving up towards the face of this thing, and we can spend a lot of time on the Bigfoot face. But they say they had that flatten nose, like a big flat nose.

And they've got a conical head. Their head kind of goes up into sort of a cone shape, and they got just big eyebrows. And basically it looked like a man, just more of a cone-shaped head. And a lot of hunters say they have, When they have them a big foot in their scope and they're ready to shoot, they'll see that face and it'll be looking back on them. And they can't pull the trigger.

This is very human. Because it's too human. Yeah. Yeah. Crazy. I mean, that is reported all the time that hunters have them in their sights, don't shoot. I think that would make you feel weird if you were in that situation. No, they can't, I can't own a person.

I mean, I think that would give you positive. The human aspect would give you. You can give you pause. It's a full trigger, obviously, man. If it looks like one of us, you know, enough, like one of us, that's, uh, it becomes a very giant moral dilemma for most people that aren't psychopaths. Yeah, most people say, well, a hunter hasn't shot it yet. It's like, well, because it looks like your 10 foot uncle.

Right. I was saying it looks like your hairy uncle. Yeah. Very human-like face, like Neanderthal-ish is what I've heard as well. So, yeah. So this head, this giant cone head is set down on these shoulders. A lot of people say they kind of, when they look, they kind of move their shoulders like they have a neck brace. And you can see that in the Patterson Gimlin film.

She kind of looks, her whole body turns around. I feel like I sound crazy describing this thing in this kind of detail. Don't you feel a little bit like that? A little bit. Yeah, I mean, without a body, yeah. I mean, you're really basing all this on circumstantial. This is just a, I mean, you're a couple, you know, thousands. of eyewitnesses, right?

That are seen... Yeah. Not the same animal, purportedly, but the same type of animal. And so you're going to get variants in the face, variance in the neck, variance in the color. Like, the color is another big one. There's supposedly red Bigfoot,

brown, bigfoot, black, even white. I believe the white Bigfoot, more so in the Himalayas, in what they believe maybe is a cousin of Bigfoot, which is the Yeti. But they don't come in just one color. This isn't a, this isn't like a golden retriever

where you just get golden ones, right? You get a lot of different colors. And there's a lot of theories about why that is, Nate. It could be the region. It could be the breed. A lot of it might have to do with age. Maybe much like the silverbacked gorillas

in Africa, maybe the older they get, their hair turns more silver or white. We see that in dogs. Shoot, we see that in people. Trying to hold that off right now. Yeah, keep that salt and pepper. Right?

Multiple colors have been reported. But nothing crazy. Nothing like unbelievable. You don't know what I mean? Any hot pink Bigfoot's running around that we know of yet. But aside from the color, apparently, they also emoted. That's been reported, correct? Like they smile?

Well, it's a primate thing. They show their teeth when they're threatened. You know what I mean? They'll kind of smile at you. Several people who said that where they look at you and they show their teeth. It looks like a smile, but it's not a warning sign. But it's kind of creepy, you know what I mean? You're out in the woods, you see something you shouldn't see and looks at you,

and then all of a sudden it just shows its teeth and smiles at you. You're like, oh, gosh. You know what a weird, quirky sight. Almost evil, sinister. Like, I wouldn't want to see it. Like, it's just kind of like a creepy clown smiling at you. You know what I mean? Like, oh, just, I don't know if all the things I've described,

that just, that would, for you. freak me out. Like that would just be like, I'm coming to get you. I'll rip your arms off and throw you down this canyon. No things. I'll pass on a smile from a bipedal creature in the woods. But, but yeah, that's often described. It's like shows their teeth and they don't have like tusks. You know what I mean? They don't have like those tusks teeth that stick out that like they say the mountain trolls have where their teeth are coming out of their lips. Yeah. You know, you've seen that in like mythical creatures and sci-fi movies where they have

these teeth come out of their mouth. It's not like that, but they do have big canine teeth. So there's some physical evidence that some people have bigfoot teeth. Like a mastodon shark tooth. Yeah. They find those mastodon shark teeth all over the beach. Sometimes after like a hurricane, they're like giant. They're like 25 times the size of a regular shark tooth. You've seen those. So there's people that claimed actually they believe they have a big foot tooth. Yeah. I mean, that's... Is that what you're telling me? There's, like, are they making necklaces out of these? Where are these things? Yeah. I mean, some like cultures

like in China, where they grind up teeth and they think it's medicine and all kinds of wild stuff. So, it sounds like something you can't fake. So, I mean, that's the hard part is that evidence is never really given much more than a shake, you know, like, oh, got a big tooth there. Right. And what you would

think, though, when I watch enough true crime and listen to enough true crime stuff that like shouldn't be able to extract some DNA out of the root. I mean, depending on the age, there usually there's, there's DNA there. So it seems like if you thought you had something that was from a big foot, you'd be able to pull some DNA and analyze it. And if it's something that is in sequence that we haven't heard of or don't know about, be pretty compelling evidence that it's from something that we

haven't scientifically documented, right? You think that that works, I don't know, for whatever reason, like finding DNA that's not cataloged doesn't, like, motivate a mass of scientists to, like, oh, we found something new. It's just, I don't know, because I think maybe DNA is easy to be tainted. Yeah, it's been compromised. Yeah, exactly. You can get samples that are tainted

where whoever was handling it, their DNA somehow gets into it. And then when you have a mixture, you essentially have a bad sample. I mean, it happens in crime a lot. Yeah, it's not a foolproof system. Exactly. That's how, that's how you lose evidence.

you know, in murder cases or rape cases or whatever may be, if the lab isn't completely diligent or the collection process isn't completely sterile and proper, you muddy the waters pretty well and then you don't know what you have. But on this head and these smiling teeth, flat nose, and I see you know they had these glowing eyes. And we talked about this little bit on episode one. They have these bioluminescent eyes and they can, that are like green and red. I could tell you what, if I saw a glowing red eyes looking at me, God, I don't know, man.

I was just in the smokies all last week. And I'm in like, you know, pretty well populated campsite. And I'm like out at night. And I was like by the campfire by myself for one minute. And then my backs to like the forest. And I kind of looked behind me at one point. I'm like, I'm going back in the camper. Like they have glowing eyes, man.

Hundreds of reports. That's crazy. I don't know. So they probably look weird in the daytime. And they're usually going to look black. They're just going to look black and dark because they're really trying to absorb as much light as possible in the nocturnal environment, right? So in the daytime, they would probably appear like they have black eyes. Yeah.

You know, when we begin to dive down those rabbit holes, Nate, there's a large part of the community that believes in Bigfoot that believes Bigfoot to be a supernatural, you know, multidimensional being. and not an actual flesh and blood animal. And that's just a little taste of the wild world we're going to jump into eventually. But for this point, I think it's noteworthy to say, you know, to report that a whole lot of people say they see red eyes and glowing eyes. And we wouldn't include it if it wasn't a repeating theme in witness accounts. Yeah. Yeah, over and over and over again. So that kind of wraps up the body, like the physical body of Bigfoot, the features that are described over and over and over again.

None of that stuff is made up. Like I guarantee you I have not made up any of that stuff. That's just stuff I've heard over and over again, seen over and over again. There are several videos you can kind of make all this stuff out. Patterson Gimlin for sure, all this stuff that, you know, leads credence to what we're saying here. But I think one thing I will say though, Luke, is that in different parts of the country, they are a little different.

Like, the skunk ape is described more ape-like than the Sasquatch of the Pacific Northwest. Yeah. So there is some, like, territory, and there is some, like, little features will change. Like the Yowie and the Yaron and the different Bigfoot around the world, some of them are shorter than others. Or they have different head shapes than others.

But for the most part, describing similar animals. But this is mostly Sasquatch that we're talking about, like Pacific Northwest. Well, I mean, that's not uncommon to have, like, to have variants within, within species, though. I mean, look at, I mean, deer is a great example. Deer on the West Coast, look different from deer in the Appalachia, look different from deer here in the south. Like, they're all deer. I mean, it's not, it just happens to do with you have variants within any given species.

It's how the animal kingdom works. It's how It's what kind of is it was very interesting and that I think also compelling for the evidence to have a consistency in traits. Even though there's variance, there's consistency in specific traits for this for Bigfoot across the spectrum. While there may be different heights and, you know, maybe some smell more than others, you're still getting a lot of consistency in the attributes,

the eyes, the strength, the speed, the behavior, the face, the facial recognition. Maybe their heads not as conical, but maybe you get so, there's, there's too much cohesion and enough variance to make it really, I think, compelling as an unknown species. When I, when I'm describing this creature to you, Luke, I'm just like, gosh, what does Luke think about me even on this? I mean, you're doing this show with me. And I'm like, what the hell?

I'm just like, what does he think? right now does you think I'm just out to lunch? Like I'm describing what most people think is a totally mythical, non-existent creature. And I'm literally talking about its features. Like I hung out with it yesterday and went and got lunch. Right. You know what I mean? And I mean, I tend to be a little more on the skeptic side. Like anybody else listening to probably listen to this, like there's a variance in in sort of people's belief and um this is about a journey for me and understanding and and wanting to dive and there's so many different elements of the story i mean everybody loves a great story i think i think that's what i mean really the the thread of humanity is that

we we all want to have and live out our own story and be caught up in a story and we all love great storytelling and great stories right and this is a great story um now Now, I think we're all in a different place in the journey on how much of this we believe to be legend, how much we believe to be to real. But I want to dive into this because I want to, I really want to examine the evidence. I want to understand the historical context. I want to understand what's out there. And I want to hear from experts. And I mean, you have been doing this for 10 years.

Yeah. This is something that you've really dove into. And it's not like that for me. I'm more of a passive Bigfoot guy I've read plenty of books Watch the shows You know we both come from northern California

Where is is somewhat the bottom part of what we believe is Really some prime Sasquatch Bigfoot area there between northern California and in Alaska In some ways it does sound like a little crazy But also in some ways it's you can't discount You know the testimony Especially when there's so much consistency Across thousands of different

eyewitnesses. You have to, you have to give us some kind of credence. And while, like I said before, it's circumstantial evidence. It really seems to be a smoking gun. And so we've got to lay this all out. This is part of us laying out that case and building that foundation, as I've said it before, so that we can start doing deep dives into some of the crazy theories, some of the fringe theories, and some of the explanations that experts, historians, and across the gamut of really, of all kinds of science, what these people have come to conclusion for what this crypto, this crypto animal is, might be, or most likely is. And in order to get there, we got to, we got to talk about these descriptions, man. Yeah. We got to talk about what people have seen,

what people have smelled, people have heard. I mean, that's why we start with the Sierra sounds in the beginning, right? There's these unexplainable sounds that record in the 70s and the middle of nowhere, Sierra Nevada Mountains, that we run in our intro, that there really isn't a good explanation for it. There's not a good explanation for it. It doesn't sound like anything else that's out there. It doesn't even sound like someone that's within the vocal capabilities of humans.

So you've got to ask yourself, like, if there's a bunch of hunters that are outdoorsmen that know everything about everything that's in the woods and they go to this hunt camp every year and they start having these weird experiences and they record it, you got to think there's credence to all these men coming back and saying that yeah dude there's something out there you can't discount that and and i think that sometimes in faith and it's something

um the threshold of belief for a lot of people is different um some people maybe need to have their own experience before they really believe and that does happen for a lot of people um but i think i'm more the more along the lines of if we can lay out you know a coherent and linear case with circumstantial evidence that undeniably points toward, you know, toward a very logical conclusion with this. Then I'm game for that.

And that's what I'm ready to walk and run through this with you. So I know we have a couple more attributes, but I want that little diatribe there is like, I think there's going to be a lot of people that are in that boat with me. And that's great, man. That's why we're doing this.

It's something that's worth talking about. It's something that's worth exploring. And I don't, I think there's, there's a unique space for what we're doing here being guys that are somewhere in the middle we're not leading up the BFRO and we're not we're not anthropologists we're not anthropologists not yet but the last 40 years not yet I haven't uh I'm not wearing my tinfoil hat yet yeah yeah no I mean I just think a lot of people don't realize the amount of evidence like we just to be basically just if you're an artist you can go you can go paint a picture now of what we described

right and i don't think a lot of people know like dang there's this much evidence out there to describe this thing and consistently over and over and over again i think a lot of people just think oh it's crazy man and it's funny because my buddy was texting me yesterday and we probably end here because we've given you guys some huge nuggets of of of info on what this thing looks and smells and acts like and how it walks and everything but i texted my buddy because years ago i was uh when i first got into this just asking some friends and is talking about it just curious what people's just if they're open-mindedness what happened he's like oh dude actually and we toured with his band and he's like oh we hired a drummer once and he came on tour with us

and he uh he uh i was texting him a photo because he stopped at some show or or some stop and saw a bigfoot thing he texted me like a picture of like a bigfoot coffee mug or something or or i don't know what it was and he saw him he said what are you doing he's like oh my buddy believe leaves in Bigfoot. So I just, I always razz him. I always send him photos of Bigfoot stuff because I think he's an idiot. Right. And he goes, and he goes, oh, well, my, my wife's seen one. And everyone in the van stops. Like, what? It's like, and this is like a higher drummer. So it's not like this, it's not like a guy they know very well. It's just like, like, wait, what? And then he just begins to tell them this story of his wife or I think, I think they got a divorce. She saw one in Kentucky. And then my

buddy called me he's like you're never going to guess what happened dude my drummer's wife's like had a encounter and i'm just started laughing because i'm like dude see and uh but he gives me all this crap and he still thinks it's it's it's all made up i'm like what it what does she have to gain to tell right this story to her husband you know like there's not really a lot to gain right if you think about it objectively you're like well especially if it's an ex ex-wife you're like well you definitely are crazy right you just proved it again yeah right no so there's not there's not a lot to gain there and i think that's that's not an uncommon story i mean you all these people i mean the

most people i think that see the see this and have an experience the vast majority aren't looking for it you know it's not like we're having group think here um and all these people are going out in the woods looking for something and they're they're going to see it because they're looking for it right it's not the case and i think that's also a compelling argument for this being a valid thing, animal, whatever you want to call it, is that you have a bunch of people that aren't out there looking for it. I think sometimes when you really really believe in something, people think you will manifest that because you want to see it, right?

But most of the people I think that are out there and have an experience. The natives say the opposite. Really? The natives say if you see it, it's a bad omen. you shouldn't you shouldn't see it so you don't they would say you don't want to see it but hey maybe we can get into that at a different time yeah we'll get into that for sure