Blurry Creatures - EP: 200 Sasquatch is Human? with Duke Sullivan

Episode Date: October 25, 2023

For this milestone of 200 episodes, we got in the time machine and went all the way back to the beginning. Our very first guest on Blurry Creatures, Brian "Duke" Sullivan makes his return to the show. Three years ago Duke kicked off this journey podcast and 198 episodes later the 40+ year cryptid researcher is back. It has been an incredible journey from that first interview and so we return to the genesis of Blurry Creatures and to catch up with Duke. Hailing from the big skies of Montana, Duke is a veteran and respected thought leader in the Bigfoot space. He is the creator and developer of World Bigfoot Radio and spends as much time as possible doing quantifiable field research on Sasquatch. On his return voyage, we talk about new updates to his research, DNA advances in the Bigfoot world, his own encounters with the elusive creatures, and new information and conclusions on the most encountered cryptid on Earth. Thank you for making this podcast a reality and changing our lives forever. Here's to many more!  Guest: https://www.youtube.com/@worldbigfootradio3933 Support the show! www.blurrycreatures.com/members Socials instagram.com/blurrycreatures facebook.com/blurrycreatures twitter.com/blurrycreatures Music Kyle Monroe: tinytaperoom.com Aaron Green: https://www.instagram.com/aaronkgreen Outro Song: TimeCop1983: timecop1983.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Luke so often, people email us and they have this story. They're out in their woods and they're looking in the bushes and they got, What's that? And when you are pouring your dog food and your dog's bowl, that's the last thing you want to say. What is that? What is the stuff coming out of this bag? You know, I don't think a lot of us think about maybe what we feed our dogs. And that's why we partner with rough greens.

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Mind speak? Or... Other, no, physically speak English. What? And, yeah, well, you know, if they're hanging around with humans long enough, they learn your language. And if they can talk to you, they can ask you what other words mean, and then they get better at it. And like I said, this one has been hanging around to the same family for three generations. His English is really good.

Well, they're hanging around in this one person's yard, like practically. every night they're out there, there's two, three of them at least. And there's one particular night they're out in the backyard, and there's this other not Bigfoot there. The history of our earth is so different from what we can imagine. The Smithsonian that if they found out about a large skeleton somewhere was to go get it. I'm going to assume at least one person is right, because if one person's right and bust the paradigm, it all goes back to the fallen chair.

And the problem with the modern day church, they had a very truncated view of the supernatural. This backdrop is just pregnant with all kinds of meaning associated with this Mount Hermon event. And this guy defects from the kingdom. That's a big deal. It's been quite a journey. We published our first episode, 8-720. And we've been on a wild ride since then. There we have.

It's, yeah, August 7th. 2020 yeah first episode and here we are at 200 and for our 200th episode we're gonna do something fun we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna rewind if you will we're gonna we're gonna get in the delorean and go back yeah to the past to come right back to the future with our our very first guess that we ever had on blurry creatures of course our first episode is you and i talking Nate just us yeah we we had a guest and this is the way the show's gone so if you just join us for the first time welcome you got 200 now to catch up on or 199 to catch up on but our Our first guest was Duke Sullivan, a man who spent, you know, 40, 45 plus years, big footing in the field.

Field researcher, and he is a, it's a wild man. And he took a shot. I took a shot on two guys that wanted to start a podcast, talk about Bigfoot and other blurry creatures all through, you know, a biblical lens, a big old paradigm. And Duke said he was in. And I was telling him, I remember telling him during this episode that, you know, one of the things that stuck with me was, you know, I didn't know anything about anything. Nate into Bigfoot, but there's some Bigfoot that roll around and gravel and make armor. And I don't know why that stuck with me, but I was just like, this is wild. Little, little did I know.

It was going to get a lot more wild than that. Yeah, we should go back and think about some of those episodes. Then we had Tom Seward on who talked about, you know, Bigfoot up in the Pacific Northwest. And Travis came on, talked about giants and the reports, Brian Forrester and Fritz Zimmerman. Ron Moorhead, Dr. Jeff Meldrum and his son. a fun episode. Yeah, then we met Judd, and we brought Judd on, talk about the ancient giants, and then Jed and Doug Van Dorn came on, talked about Sons of God, and we brought Michael Tellinger on and talked about the big boys, and down in South Africa, Joe Taylor, and then we

had Gary Wayne on for the first time, and then Ryan Pedersen, and then our very first episode with Tim Alberino. Wow, it's wild to think about going back that far, and if you're listening, the intro that you heard, a lot of that comes from those first episodes, Nate. You put that together. It's quotes and we'd love to razz Tim about. That's a big deal. Yeah. But it's fun. It's become nostalgic and sort of iconic for our show. And we kind of hit the street running and didn't know exactly what we're getting into. And Duke really opened that door and flung it wide open when we started talking about the big fella. You know, I look back, we didn't really have a website till like 35 episodes in. I think when we had it,

when we finally got Heiser on the show for the first time, we said, maybe we should have a website for this podcast. And you know, over the years, we've lost several guests who come on the show. And several people have passed on Joe and Doug Riggs and Heiser and Rob Skiba. To think of all the places. And then we got crazy enough. You guys wanted to do BlurieCon and we did a conference and you guys packed the house and you wanted to do another one, which is crazy. We're going to have to do it all over again, Luke. Correct.

But it's just you think back, you start a podcast and then you guys are, your whole garage. Rogers full of T-shirts and merch now. It is. You guys have supported us and you've been along this blurry journey since the beginning. And we even took us to Peru where we got to go see these megalithic stones in Kusko and Machupeach. It's incredible looking back on what this podcast has become and how many people have come along board and supported it. And it's changed our lives. I know we've gotten so many emails from people that are, it's hard to put into words what people will say that this podcast is done for their

their life. And we even have our first married couple. And we got to, with a members chat last night. And we had the chance to talk to two folks that met via blurry creatures as the vehicle. And they are now married. It's a wild thing. And I say this often. It's not trope that, Nate, I really do love doing this.

I love having these conversations. I think that if no one listened but our parents, would still listen. Still do this because you want to have these conversations. I think these are important things to talk about. to discuss and to chew on and, you know, and to expand your paradigm, you know, that causes you to get to give into the word and to, and to ask, you know, ask questions about things that are happening around us. And, you know, this show is, is wild. Like you said, 2020, we've been broadcasting, recording and putting out podcasts through some really wild stuff, whether you start in 2020 or you

go through what happened this year with, you know, the UAP, UFO, oversight committees and what feels like disclosure. You know, we're out, we've been having these conversations. And it's just, it's really neat. I think I'm just continually grateful and humbled that we, you know, we have this opportunity to sit down in front of these mics and talk to each other and to an expert or just someone who's had an experience, you know, on a weekly, biweekly basis. And it's fun to go back to the beginning now and to go where it all started here at 200 in and have our man, Duke Sullivan, join us again.

Yeah, I made the fatal mistake of starting this podcast with highly edited shows. And now I'm forever stuck editing these shows and putting music to them. You're like David Spade and Tommy. boy like me and my fellow nerds are going to retire to our nerdery with our calculators so if you're just you're in the editing bay no but it's it's it's great to to get the text from friends got a lot of text over the years i'm sure you get him to luke where you're like i'm hanging out with my buddy and i didn't know he was blurry and we starts talking about your podcast and i i think whenever you start something creative you you you hope and you think that maybe this will catch on maybe some people will

share their love but i think ultimately we're the biggest nerds for blurry creatures you and i love Love it more than anyone. Yeah, we do. We care about it the most too, you know, and it's, yeah, I think that gives you a perspective of gratitude, right? That the folks that's resonated with a small amount of people that want to have the same conversations. And it's just cool. It's cool to see this thing just, it is a journey podcast. We talk about that. So if you are joining us for the first time, we recommend you start at the beginning. One does not simply walk into Mordor, Nate. I just got a text on my computer right now. I'm doing this. My buddy's in Franklin. And he just ran into someone who has a Smithsonian has the Bones T-shirt on. and he sent me a photo of him, some random guy. So this is the kind of stuff we get. I mean, it just happened right now. It's all over the world. We're charting in 55-plus countries,

and y'all out there are just getting blurry and sending us messages and keeping us going. Because there's a lot of work. There's a lot of Friday nights, Thursday nights. I mean, we've kind of given up our, sort of our social life to continue the podcast and to do this. And there's a lot of times. I wish I was just playing some softball games with some buddies

or doing something. But we're going down the rabbit hole with some of these guys. Yeah, but you'd really be out like you'd be out at that mound again, and Mila Knight trying to get across the river. We're out squatching. You know, I know you'd be doing. Yeah, I love it. It's a laborer love.

I don't get tired of it. And the episodes don't stop coming. Every day we get more and more blurry stuff sent our way. We've talked about everything from Mothman to Dog Man, to Grey Aliens, to Wendigo's, to ancient giants, to Cyclops, to, to, you. the megalithic builders to some of the deeper stuff that Dr. Laura Sanger's talked about with frequencies and the Nephilim agenda. I think I remember Luke when we pushed publish on Dr. Laura Sanger, I thought this could be the end of the podcast because this is so different than what I thought this podcast was going to be. And I remember that moment going, this isn't what I envisioned blurry creatures to be when it was just a logo on my phone when I was fixing up this house.

And I had no, there was, it was just this thing, this little baby. And I had a dream like, man, I wonder what this could be. And then when I remember when we did that interview with Laura and we put it out in the world, I thought, okay? People are going to think we're nuts? So they're going to love what we're on. It's like the Joker. And in the dark night, it's like, and here we go. Exactly.

And into the blurry verse. And so, you know, it was fun. On episode 100, we had Doug Van Dorn on and we talked about Christ and love that episode. so deeply. And so this is fun. And here on the 200th episode, we are going to go back to the beginning and talk about the gateway drug, right? The creature that got that opened up all these doors and all of these rabbit holes and

inroads and out roads and tributaries off of this river as we just jump into a thousand metaphors and allegories here. But it really is really where we began. And so very cool. Thanks for being with us here for 200 episodes. And those of you, they're here from the beginning. You know, we're grateful for you riding with us from the get. And to everyone else that's jumped in, we hope you found your tribe here.

This is a fun place to have discussions that don't happen a lot of other places. And, you know, I know, I know, Nate and I's heart is just to have these discussions from a perspective that it really brings everything back to the biblical worldview. And really our heart is to, you know, is to bring all the glory to God. So yeah. Yeah, man. It's quite a diatribe to start an episode, but I think we're just grateful for this to be sitting here. I'm thankful too. You know, thankful to all the members out there who've come on board and make this show happen.

Who, in one of the hardest times in my life when going through sort of my marriage falling apart in the middle of the beginning of the show, right around episode 70 or so, you guys rallied around the show and gave me sort of a new life and a new. I don't know. It was a very vulnerable season. I think we missed one episode, but I decided even through the heartbreak and pain and all the stuff that was going on. And I know both of us have been through some crazy stuff while this podcast is rolling. But the podcast has kind of been this staple to keep going. We've got to keep putting the episodes out. And regardless of whatever personal stuff we're dealing with, and there's been a lot.

I shared that on one of the episodes. And thinking back what blurry has become, it's been just a time of my life where God really showed up and encouraged me when I was probably at my lowest. So thank you from the bottom of my heart. Yeah, listen, this is not a, this sounds a little bit like a retirement speech. We're not stopping, man. We're blurring harder than we ever had. I know that we told the members last night, we were something like four, four episodes in the last five days. And yeah, this train is doing anything but slowing down. It is speeding up. And so we are grateful. If you'd like to be a part of what we're doing and part of this community officially,

you can check out our membership. It allows you to get extra content, extra episodes. We've got a couple platforms, Nate. We've got Facebook and we've got a Discord where you can meet like-minded people and have discussions in those spaces about a lot of the things that go on in the Bluriverse. And you get discounts on merch. First Cracket tickets to any events. Of course, we just mentioned Bluricon. The second one is coming.

We have a trip to Costa Rica. In February, we had a trip to Peru this last year with Tim Alvarino where we went and looked at the megaliths in Peru and went to Machu Picchu, Soxia Waman, Ojontaito, and all these amazing places. And those things are going to continue to happen. And so if you want first crack at those, along with everything else, that we have brewing and cooking. Check it out. Blurrycreatures.com slash members.

And take a look. It helps keep this thing rolling. It helps keep Nate in the editing bay. And we're just grateful for the members that we do have that have come alongside and supported this show. Nate, as it barrels on. As it barrels on.

I never forget from episode one editing, you're like, Blurry Creatures is what we're going to call it this podcast. I can still hear that in my head. And I don't know. Feeling a little emotional right now. It's cool to look back on the last three years and see what this has become. But we had a bunch of members talk about it in episode 100, just kind of what the show's meant to them. But thank you.

Again, we're just getting started. Yeah, if you thought we were going to not hit a home run here. So welcome back, Duke Sullivan to the show. And we are going to get right into the deep end when it comes to all things Sasquatch. From the little people to the ginger jokes, to the roll. that time cop to the bone zone. You've immortalized a bunch of phrases. Let's go back to the gateway drug. Here's Duke, our first guest. Thanks again. Great question. Duke Sullivan, welcome back to blurry creatures. You took a chance on us in the beginning. You were the first guest on the show,

and here we are episode 200. We've been pumping out one or two episodes a week for last three years. We've learned a thing or two. Duke, you have your own show, World Bigfoot Radio, and you guys can follow at World Bigfoot Radio 3-9-33 in YouTube. Go check out Duke's work, Duke. You were like, we often talked over the years. We still reference your episode from time to time. Oh, good God, was it that bad? I'm sorry.

No, it was great. It blew our minds, at least mine, you know, so new to the Bigfoot space. Not in a sense of really, maybe just discussing and talking about it and kind of parsing things out. Like it had always been interested in the topic. And then, you know, when you started talking about your own experience, especially the one thing I do remember, Duke, is you're talking about Bigfoot's, big rolling around and gravel and making armor.

I don't know why that's stuck with me, but it's stuck with me. And Henry, Henry, Henry Hudson getting drunk and playing, bowling with the dwarfs. Little people when he was a lot of Hudson Valley. Yeah, that was a really weird story, too. And it's like, well, but it's in a historical record. What are you going to do? You know? No, but it was awesome.

We had a good time with you from that first. And, you know, we had no idea what we were getting ourselves into. And since then, we've interviewed a lot of people in this space. And we've gone down just about every rabbit hole from every creature out there that you can imagine. But a lot of the stuff lately has been UFOs and aliens because that stuff's kind of hitting the mainstream now. Welcome back to the show. Maybe give us an update on, like, kind of what's been going on the last couple years for our listeners who've been on the ride from the beginning. of our podcast. What are you been up to, Duke? Tell us. We want to know. To be back, I've been doing

my weekly turnout show every Sunday thing, and sometimes it's my own field research, in which case it's on my World Bigfoot TV playlist. Or if I do an interview with a guest or something, it's a Duke chat playlist, or if it's somewhere in between, it's World Bigfoot Radio. But I don't do any straight-up radio shows anymore. I did have a radio show on TFR Live for a while. But I tend to veer for toward wanting to actually show the evidence which is what so many of these other shows are slacking off on even the ones that are actually visual format usually they'll just sit there and interview somebody well it's like where's your evidence you know my favorite example of that is blaine tyler who loves to call out people for doing that kind of stuff and he ran into a very famous bigfoot researcher at the Nebraska bigfoot conference when i was there last spring and i had gotten him lined up to be there to flew him down from canada's first time the U.S. also first time on a plane. And the guy he had a conversation with here is in his late 70s, early 80s, and he's

from Montana. He was hanging around with the old guys back in the older days, and he still knows all of them, and done a lot of boots on the ground running around, big foot this, big foot that. Well, he was telling Blaine all these stories, and, you know, stories are all fine and good, but where's your pictures? So at some point, Blaine said, well, you got any pictures of this stuff with you? He went, oh, no, I didn't bring any of that with me.

And Blaine goes, oh, you want to see some Bigfoot pictures? He whips out his cell phone. Shows him 30, right out easily. And then he didn't want to talk to Blaine anymore. Yeah. You know, it's such a huge space now. I think the Bigfoot community has kind of grown a lot. And obviously our show has kind of gone to so many different avenues.

And what we do is kind of more interviews, trying to bring on the experts who have, who do what you do, who go out and dig basically mine for Bigfoot treasure. You're the guys the ones that find it first. Have you had any crazy encounters lately? Anything that's... Oh, yeah, I've had all kinds of stuff, and some of it I can't even talk about. That's the stuff we want to talk about, Duke. You went through a portal.

Actually, I got a cool little widget on my hat right here. That's a Indian arrowhead. It's a bird point. You don't see those very often. and they make a little bitty ones were shooting birds with. Then this was found in the woods down in Louisiana and given to a friend of mine to give to me.

Now, he who found it was a Bigfoot, which is why I have it on my hat. Wait, what? Oh, really? How does that work? Bigfoot's giving you arrowheads, huh? Yeah, he was digging, he can find him all the time,

so he gave this friend of mine a couple of them. and I said, well, tell him to grab me one too the next time he's out there. And about a couple weeks later, she said he left two for you. There's a regular looking one, which I have on the back of the hat, and then there's his bird point one that I put on the front of the hat. So I figured, hell, if a big foot's going to get me arrowheads, I'm going to put him on my hat. So when that happens, dude, do you have to trade him something back? Did you have to give him some?

Oh, I already gave him stuff. He's got a weakness for Reese's pieces, and I sent him like a case of him down there about six months ago. And then he felt like he owed me something. So when I asked her, hey, grab me some arrowheads out of the woods. Would you find some bar out there? Bigfoot and ET. They just love Rhesa's pieces here. Well, they all got different things that they like.

You know, like I discovered here in the last couple of years, there's certain things that you can get away with gifting or not so much gifting. Well, I guess it's gifting, trading with them that, you know, is okay. And then other things that aren't good to give them. And then third category of indecipherable, I don't know. what the hell this thing is. I suspect it and I'm not going to touch it. And a lot of the stuff you might try and leave them falls into that category. If they can't recognize it as something edible or anything, it's highly suspect,

and they'll probably leave it there, come back every couple days, poke it with a stick to see if it blows up or something and then wander off. They're just very, very suspicious of anything that they know you for a long time. You can't set up a trail cam by these gifting sites, I'm guessing. Well, you could try it, but then they'd never trust you. again and the chances are you wouldn't get anything anyway they can zap trail cameras i got an interesting sequence of videos that i'm going to release that some friends mine down in florida sent me a few years ago where they have what they claim is a stationary portal and they realized it was there

a long time ago so they set up game cam on it and every so often the game cam would just mysteriously die or they'd be weird distorted pictures and so they couldn't quite figure that one out then they decided that what they were going to do was to just hardwire the game cam, bury a cable in the ground, 100, 150 feet, connected to a car battery in a little box. So it couldn't mysteriously run out of batteries or something. Then they got this whole series of interesting photos of what looks like a foggy patch where they always claim the portal is,

like something's about to open up. And the next thing you see a Bigfoot's head right there next to the camera. And then there's blur. Then you see his head there looking in the camera again. And what was going on is he kept trying to zap that camera and he couldn't make it go off. So he kept looking at it and then he'd take another picture of him. I got like 22 pictures of that. That's amazing.

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New customer offer for first three months only, then full-price plan, options available, taxes and fees extra. See MintMobile for details. interviewed a guy that had a up in Minnesota and he had basically the same thing was like he said there was an energy collector under the ground and there was a portal on top of this serpent mound and he said all kinds of weird stuff was coming out and lo and behold there's a family of bigfoot that was coming in and out of his barn and you know since then we've heard some wild some wild stories duke but you know most of these louisiana bigfoot squashes are you know the rumors are they're a little bit more

aggressive and mean than maybe some of the northern ones are they seem friends if they're leaving gifts behind. Every area has the rumor that their Bigfoot are the most aggressive and everybody else's Bigfoot are pansies. So, no. So, yeah, it's like a regional football team. It's like ours is the best. No, actually, like I said,

I got one, this what I got at my hat here right now. That came from the Louisiana Bigfoot. Yeah. And I don't call themselves Bigfoot. They're called Sukulu. Duke, tell me how you get to that place. So, you know, you obviously have to find an area where the

Bigfoot are, and then how do you get yourself to a position where you are, you're sort of trusted or able to have this gift transaction? Because, you know, if Nate and I walk out into Tennessee Woods, and we actually have to be able to email us recently about close to where we live, there's supposedly some activity on this property, you know, how do you, how do you cultivate that type of transaction or interaction or even, we might even call a relationship with a Bigfoot? Well, with me, it wasn't something that I went into with a plan. I'm just curious about them. And once I figure out where they are, I just keep going back there.

And that's basically what the whole thing comes down to. You habituate them to your presence. You just keep going back to the same damn place over and over and over. And most people don't want to go camping in the same place over and over again. And especially if it's a spooky place where weird things happen and people scream and run away in the middle of the night, then a lot of people really don't want to go camping there over and over and over. So in both the groups out here that I've got habituated in my presence, and the one of them, I think they consider me to be on, you know, like on their side more or less. The other one is practically adopted me.

But it took seven or eight years of going there constantly, like as much as I could get away and get up there. And, you know, regardless of the weather, if I could get up there, it's raining, miserable. Nobody wants to go out camping. I don't care. I'm going. And that's another thing. thing you get points for it too it's like okay the weather's completely shite normal humans aren't out in the woods

what do you do it here I just wanted to visit you guys hey how are you doing? Are you talking to them like that? Oh yeah I do they don't answer me because you know the ones up here either don't speak English or don't feel like they should answer me so I don't get to hear any other than Bigfoot noises that they make they whistle that's kind of fun too you can tell it's not a normal animal you whistle back at them

they whistle back to you again. And I was going, hey guys, how you doing? And I wait a lot of time alone out there. Well, I usually have other humans with me. I used to camp solo a lot. And then after I got a channel, everybody started getting horrified by what I was getting on camera and said they don't want to see me out there camping by myself anymore. And I'm like, well, why?

Nothing killed me yet. And they're like, well, bring somebody with you. And the only use I could figure that that would be is if I get hurt and I, you know, can't walk out, well, it's great to have somebody else there that can help you. You don't want to be stuck 20 miles out in the middle of the mountain or into the broken leg or something by yourself. That could be bad. For the purposes of actually proving to people that I'm not full of crap, I always have

somebody with me now. So when I'm telling something or something happens or whatever, I've got a witness right there backing me up. And sometimes they're hearing and seeing things that I'm missing. So that's even more fun. Do you think they're reading your mind, they're reading your thoughts? They know kind of what's what your intentions are. That's the other half of the equation because you can figure out, if you can figure out where they are, that's a big hurdle.

And then you can manage to be camping there a lot for years. And, you know, some people, they might get used to you sooner and other people they might never get used to you. The other big part of it is what your intentions are like and what your personality is like. And they find most humans to be extremely erratic and untrustworthy, which we are. So unless, you know, they keep seeing your intentions are good over and over and over to the point where it's so redundant, you're like, oh, my God, aliens from frigging Pluto would have been friends with me by now. And they're still like, hold on, we're still checking you out. You've got to bring a lot of bags of Reese's out there with you. Yeah, it's not so much the food thing.

Actually, that was kind of hilarious because they started gifting me. And I was going like, where the hell are these things coming from? Every time I come up here camping, I find weird things on the campsite that shouldn't be here, like a brand new shiny silver thermos and a really expensive pair of Oakley sunglasses and motorcycle gloves. And nobody leaves this stuff playing on a campsite when there's nothing else on there. Where is it coming from? So I got a, you know, I got a hold of Robin. I said, Robin, can you please mind speak with these guys out here and ask them what's going on? And she's like, oh, yeah, they're saying that they think you guys drop this stuff somewhere.

and since they found it, they brought it back to the campsite in case it was yours and you can claim it. And I'm like, well, okay, I'll call everybody. So I call everybody on my team. Nobody lost a thermos, nobody lost sunglasses, nobody lost motorcycle gloves. So I said, yeah, just tell them it's not our stuff.

And she said, I want them said good. They want this shiny thing. They want it to turn for something shiny thing. And then I started thinking about it afterwards and I went, not only were we not carrying this stuff around the woods, dropping any of it. Where are they finding this stuff? Like is some other campsite in the valley a place we might have potentially dropped something? So they have to bring it back over to us to make

sure we didn't drop it. Their whole thought process is kind of not like the same way ours is. They don't understand ownership and stuff like that. Distances don't seem to matter to them as much as they do to us. Oh, that campsites right. Only a mile over there. That's your campsite too, right? No. What do you think it makes a Sasquatch kind of go rogue or mean, kind of just become? They have a social system. They want to get too far out of line, get thrown out of the local group, whether it's just a family group or it's a more extended clan or a tribal unit. They've all kind of got the same rules. And there are some variations depending on who the alpha male of the clan is.

Alpha male gets to call the shots. So if somebody gets too far out of line or they challenge the alpha male for supremacy and get their butts kicked, they're thrown out of the group. Now they're on their own. And even for something as big and powerful as a Sasquatch, that's the worst thing that can happen. Think about us as humans. What's the worst thing that can happen? Well, you could get killed. Or you could get thrown in jail.

Well, they don't have jail. Their jail is you go away over there and don't let any of us see you again or will whip your ass. You know, so now you're completely on your own. You don't have anybody to talk to or interact with. You have to find all your food by yourself. You have to make sure that no humans are seeing you all by yourself. That's a lot of effort. And the reason they got thrown out of the group in the first place is bad behavior.

And occasionally you get these rogue individuals that team up with each other. They find other ones that have also been thrown out of their groups. And then you got these little gangbanger desperado units of Bigfoot running around. And they're the ones that caused most of the trouble. LBL, that's what's going on there. You want some different areas nearby got kicked out of their own troops, they all ganged up. And that's where they're at. That's our neck of the woods.

When the rokes team up, it's like the mega powers, right? It's like Hulk Hogan and Macho Man Randy Savage get together and you've got a tag team. No, it's like you'll look out for those guys. The kingpin and several other variations of himself all teamed up. I love it. I mean, Duke, so we've asked probably 150 guests over the years. What are their thoughts on Bigfoot? Nobody has the same answers.

So what are some sort of updated theories and thoughts you have on this creature now in the last three years? I mean, you do so much research, you're way down the Sasquatch rabbit hole further than most. Are your theories evolving? Do you have new thoughts about this creature? Or is it just like you're just strictly in the research camp? And I know research obviously leads to new ideas, but any updated thoughts on maybe where things? If my theories were evolving, I would be making any forward progress. And I just retire.

That doesn't mean that they're radically changing. I just keep getting more information. And for the first time in about, you know, I've been in this 45 years and I was probably in it over 30 before I started going in the right direction because you have to keep eliminating all these other red herrings that people throw out there. Oh, it's giganticus. No. It takes a while for you to get the information to actually disprove that, yeah, no, it's not.

It's not gigantic antipithecus. I don't care what certain glorified podiatrists may tell you that is empirically not to the truth. The reason is because a higher power known as DNA science has already sequenced Dragano's DNA, and they have proven that it is a variant, larger version of orangutans that exist today. It was just a bigger one. Well, look at an orangutan's foot. What's it look like?

It looks like a hand. Right? So in only 100,000 years, somehow they developed this other weird-looking foot that looks like one of ours. I managed to coax the person to ask this question to out of their virtual high. in retirement, it was going on for 10 years. And the person that sequenced the Sasquatch genome DNA study, Melva Ketchum, Dr. Ketchum on my show, a three-parter. And as soon as she has more updates on the ongoing research he's doing right now,

she'll be back on my show to give updates again. All of the science that she's done and also other science from other parts of the world where they're doing genome studies on some of these supposed cryptids and what all seems to go in the same direction. And what she was able to gather from it so far is that we are definitely looking at a hybrid. They hybridized whatever the proto being was hybridized with humans 12 to 15,000 years ago. The majority of the human DNA involved is either from the Levant or from North America. So there's virtually no white people that are in the Sasquatch genome, if you want to put it that way.

But there are North American natives and there are the Levantines from the Middle East, which is interesting. And you've got, there's some other weird anomalies in the male side of the DNA that she's still going through. So we can't really talk about that yet, but does not look like a natural being's DNA. It looks like somebody splice strands of different things together for whatever the original being was. There could be still some of them running around.

We don't know. All the Sasquatch DNA samples that they gathered that she was studying. have all come up with this hybrid mix. And because they've been hybridized for so long, there's a lot of variation. It's not a 50-50 mix. Some of them will have more human blood. Some of them will have more proto-sad squash blood. So you could have ones that look really, really human because they're like 80% human.

And other ones that look really, really, really not like a human because they're 80% whatever that other stuff is. So that's where you get this massive variation in what they look like. and everybody tries to phenotype them and say, well, the ones around here are this top threes, and the ones up there are the top sevens. No, it's just like native tribes. They're in a local region. They're mostly inbreeding with each other. Most of the males aren't going to some other part of the country to get a mate.

So they've got the local gene pool, which tends to make all the locals look very similar after a long time. And you can find all of this with the native tribes, too. We even got a tribe up here called the flatheads. Guess what they call them that? because their heads look flat because they all were in the same genetic group was inbreeding with each other not inbreeding to the point of problems but breeding with the same group of people for you know centuries and so they all started getting this characteristic look and you can find that all over the world so why would it be any different with the saskatch if they're all just this you know basically small

regional group tribe troop whatever they're mostly going to be breeding with whoever is local and after a long period of time they'll all start looking really similar to each other other. And what's surprising to me is how much variation there is within a local group where you can have like the mom, the dad, and two, three offspring, and the kids all look different. They don't look like each other. And sometimes they don't look like mom or dad. It's this weird genetic mix keeps expressing itself differently with every generation apparently. It kind of reminds me some of the giant conversations we've had on our show because we really went into that rabbit hole for a long time. You had these sort of weird genetic anomalies with these ancient giants.

You had the elongated skull ones. You had some ones that were very, you know, that sounded like the demigods of Greek mythology. And then you had ones that are just like the one-eyed, ugly-looking cyclops ones that are supposedly, where, you know, they say as related to the megalith building. And they were responsible for some of those things. So there seemed to be a wide variety of just those things, the giants. and they all had sort of these genetic anomalies too. Some had six fingers, six toes. Yeah, and that comes into play on this whole Bigfoot subject too

because there's a bunch of people out there that are going, Bigfoot or the napolin. Okay. Well, Bigfoot or the Naphylin, the genetic markers for them are is they have double rows of teeth and six digits. How many six-toed Bigfoot tracks have you seen? Yeah. Not yet.

I've seen one. And I'm not sure it was a Bigfoot track. Yeah, could have been The giants can have either, you know, five or six toes, but if they're, if they're Nephilim, if they're not some kind of a, you know, watered down hybrid, they're probably going to have six digits.

And that was reported for all the giant mound builder civilization along the Midwest and the whole thing, not only gigantic size, but also the six digits and double rows of teeth. And this also seems to go back to the Ananaki, which some people think are the same as the fallen angels that made the Nepalem. So Ananaki,

came down, made it with humans, made monsters, hybrid. That's where the giants came from. But the Ananaki were gigantic, too. And according to the Bible, before, you know, in the antidilubian times, humans were like 15, 20 feet tall, or maybe even up to 30 feet tall. Everything was big.

And after the Great Flood, then everything got smaller in size, et cetera, et cetera. And the same thing with the giants, the giants went from being ridiculously, tremendously gigantic to only being gigantic. And a lot of the megafauntled. was gone and everything. It also lines up interestingly with Norse

mythology because the Asier can be almost directly linked with the Anunnaki. And the Asier was only one of the two groups of Ananaki giants. There's also the Nemnir. And the Nemnir are

what the Norse were calling frost giants. They're the ones that like the really cold climates live up by the North Pole or in tall mountains and stuff like that. And I'm pretty sure some of them are still around. The other guys mostly got completely wiped out.

And the reason for that is because they were the ones that liked to lord it over humans, pretend their gods, have civilizations, the humans fawning on them and doing everything for them, and they'd just be the big guy like the mountain builders here in North America. And at some point, they got too predatory

and started causing too many problems. And according to Navajo legend, they got most of the tribes on the continent together and went to war with them. and drove them off the continent back through the Siberian land bridge and then left part of the Navajo tribe there in Alaska as a rear guard to make sure they didn't come back again. And it's interesting to note that the tribe in Alaska

call themselves the Danes, and Navajo called themselves the Danes. And when they checked, guess what? They're the same tribe. They got the same bloodline. Wow. So you might want to listen to what the Navajo have to say about this one. That checks out, right?

Getting back to the Frost Giants, the Nemnir, they didn't lord it over humans or want to have anything to do with us. They tried to stay as far away as possible. And because they didn't go to war with us and whatnot, it seems reasonable to assume that when there was this war on these other jerks that kept eating us and whatnot that they wanted to chase off the continent, they might have just ignored these guys or not even know they existed. Because it seems like their MO is just a hide, basically. Stay the hell away from humans. out the middle of nowhere. And occasionally you get somebody out the middle of nowhere that sees one of these damn things.

There's been probably at least a handful of reports from Montana in the last 15 years of people seeing actual full-on giants, not Bigfoot. So some of these things are still around. And according to the information on them, they all spread out all over the world about 200,000 years ago.

And during the glaciation periods in them here, you could just basically walk across. So they ended up on all the northern parts of the world in northern continents and where they probably still are some of them to this day. And again, because they're genetics, they live for hundreds of years, you know, probably 8, 900 years. Really? You said this place was steps from the water.

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And you see this connection all over the world where they had this knowledge to build these things and they could put these rocks. Some of them were 90 tons perfectly together. like Lego pieces. Yeah. You see them building the same structures all over the world, and there is a link that, you know, they started somewhere, and then they sort of spread like a virus, and they got pushed to

remote parts of the world, islands, and like you're saying, maybe some northern areas and the snow where no one's going to... Yeah, it doesn't sound like the Ross Giants really were the megalith builders, though. We don't have any indication that they were... I mean, it's possible. We certainly don't have any legends or indications that they were the ones that were doing that. It sounds like it was pretty much the Aesir or Anunaki they were doing that. And there's two different kinds of construction methods, too. So there may have been two

different civilizations involved because you've got megalithic and polygonal constructions. Yeah. Do you think Bigfoot originated as a more of a chimera, like some sort of like ancient experiment? Or do you think Bigfoot came from somewhere else? Yeah, that's the hard one to answer. We don't have quite enough information. on the male side of the genome right now to be able to conclusively say one way or the other, whether it was something naturally occurring or whether it was some sort of a GMO chimera that was put together at some point in the past. But if you go back and you look at, you know, all the old mythology, including Christianity,

they talk about there being weird animals around that don't exist anymore. And some of them made pictures of them. You know, a lot of weird things that aren't around anymore. but they seem to think that they were around at some point. And this is like the natives here in North America where they've got totem poles on the west coast. And if you look at a totem pole, every single animal on there is an actual live, real animal that you can ID. And then they have Bigfoot's face on there. Yeah, they do.

So it's the same thing over there. They weren't making up stuff. This is like, here's this weird thing that lives over here. Here's what it looks like. Here's my weird and whimsical artistic representation of it. it. And if you saw some of the artwork they did like back into 1700s where they'd get a verbal report from somebody and they didn't have a photograph or anything and they'd work from the verbal report and they'd do a drawing of it and then you compare that drawing to what it actually

looks like, it looks like a fanciful monster, but it's a real critter. Duke, I got a quick question about, you were talking about, you know, the regionality and the difference in the way that Bigfoot looks or Sasquatch looks based upon region. Do you think that that's a product of what you talk about tribalism essentially, or do you think that these hybridization of these animals was happening in regional spaces? So this was happening in North America and the same sort of process was happening in Europe and in Australia and Southeast Asia. So you had sort of the same generally speaking sort of science experiment, if you will. Or do you think these all sort of came down, you know, some from, if you will, some kind of Adam and Eve situation

with the Sasquatch creature where you had this initial hybrid animal and then from that parent came all of the variations that we see now across the planet. Well, clearly at some point there was something that was a pure blood that was a male and whether it was genetically crossed with the human or it did it with the good old fashioned physical methodology, that's where these Sasquatch hybrids came from. So since we don't see any evidence of,

no collected DNA samples anyway, from these pure bloods, whatever they are, we can assume that either they're extinct or they're so very rare and good at hiding that we haven't been able to get a sample from one of them. So it could be that what was happening was a genetic bottleneck, but there weren't very many of them left. And let's face it, that was like bad times in North America anyway. Right. And so they might have not had any choice and went, well, it's either mate with this human female or that's it.

there's hardly any of us left. We don't know. We just have no way of knowing until more of the genome study can be worked out. But one would expect that if they had been running around the world mating with the local human women to produce these hybrids, that if you did a DNA study from like, let's say, the urine in China or the Yeti in Tibet, you should expect if the same thing was going on over there, that you would find that the human component came from local bloodlines. in other words, Tibetans or Chinese. But nobody's done this yet, so we have no way of verifying that.

Okay. That's what I was asking. Yeah, I mean, you hear those wild stories where women will say they know they were camping or whatever and then. Oh, that's not a wild story. I mean, think about it. They're hybrids with us. They have a tremendous sense of smell. Ferramones.

Yeah. Women are on their period or something should be out in the woods anywhere near a big foot. The adults know better. It's the horny teenagers. Remember, the alpha male of the group has complete control over everybody in it and what they do. And this may be a situation where there's no available females that aren't related to the male. And they aren't going to be allowed to mate with any of them. There was one recently where a woman was claiming that her husband was impotent or whatever.

And there was no way she could get pregnant. And she didn't cheat on him in Luke. We got probably 50 people said. Oh, the one in Kentucky, right? Yeah. Yeah. She was having Bigfoot's baby, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

And it sounds like, you know, it sounds like the National Enquirer, but as we've learned over the years, maybe the National Enquirer has more truth in it than anything else. That's like Mitch when he was making his joke saying, everybody's got to get off the back of the Bigfoot researchers about them taking blurry pictures, and the cameras are all broken. There's nothing wrong with the cameraman or the camera.

It's just that Bigfoot is blurry. And it's extremely disturbing. There's a huge creature that's blurry. running around the woods that we know nothing about. I love it. That's why we have a glory creatures. That's why we're here. That's why we're here.

Duke, what about the UFO connection to Sasquatch? What do you think about that? They don't like it. The same connection that the UFOs have with us. They show up, interfere with us, abduct people, probe them, sometimes don't bring them back. And the Sasquatch's case, it's even worse, because they think that they should be spies for them.

And they should spy on us. us and report back to the little alien bastards. And the saskatch are not down with that. And when they get a chance, they stop them like little pancakes. They don't like them. You think that they're picking them up, dropping them off, same as us? Yes. Absolutely.

Sometimes they take them away and they don't bring them back again. So when the space boys show up, the local Sasquatch, run and hide is generally what happens. If they find a base where these little guys are, they might just decide to pay them a visit at some point. Which isn't very good for them when it happens. Because remember, they can go through portals. It doesn't matter where your base is. If they find out it's there, they can show up. Yeah, so Skinwalker Ranch.

Yeah, I mean, we know the people. According to there's more popular pop culture sort of references to make people go through portals. Well, you get reports of this from the military, too. There's one guy, and his job was just to monitor, the video cams. And there was one of them that was connected the wall of the building, was inside two perimeters and a huge barbed wire fence. and he's sitting there looking at it

and all of a sudden the Bigfoot materialized looking up at him in the camera gave a dirty look and then dematerialized again scared the shit out of him just like I can get in here anytime I want buddy

yeah we enter we yeah I was gonna say we interviewed we interviewed a we interviewed a guy that was in the 70s was on the base and he got they got through all the security he was on the runway you know at night terrorizing the guy at night

the night dude he got like running around in his Jeep and his Jeep and it's like Sasquatches out there, you know, on the runway. He took a wrong turn somewhere. The crazy thing about that is the same story, Duke, right? These, this whole base goes like Code Red, and everybody straps up, and they corner, if they think they corner the Bigfoot in a ravine, and then they, and then it's gone. They get it, they clear the ravine, and he's not there, which is.

I heard an even better one where a military base, they had captured one, they'd knocked him out somehow and captured them. They had them in this room. nice and solid so he couldn't get out again. They had cameras on him and stuff. And the guy that was watching the room through the cameras, went to take a look at it. There's nothing in the room.

What the hell? How did he get out of there? So he goes running down, opens the door, looks in the room. There's nothing in the room. Walks in, looks around. There's nothing there. Here's something swish, swish behind him. Doesn't see anything.

Goes back out in the hallway again. Yeah, it was still in the room. It was cloaking. As soon as he opened that door, it just walked right out behind them. And then they had that Sasquatch trapped inside the building for two weeks. They couldn't capture him. They couldn't figure out how to get them back in his room.

Shit would keep getting wrecked and disappearing and stuff, not. Finally, they said, the only thing we could figure out to do was just to open the exterior doors and leave them open for a few hours in the hopes that he'd figure it out, he'd smell the fresh air, and he'd go out on his own because we didn't want to deal with it anymore. We couldn't catch him, and he was destroying things inside the building. So they finally just opened the doors and let him. Like a straight out of a predator or something, right? Like you have this like, Dylan.

Well, they didn't think he could do anything like that until it's like, well, he was just in his locked room. Where did he go? No, he didn't open a portal. He just cloaked so you couldn't see it. How do you think they'd do that, Duke? How do you think that they're able to do that? I have no idea.

That's one of their little tricks that alludes me. You know, some of it has to do with their hair and what they can do with that. And, you know, it seems to be the same thing with cloaking has to do with. going through a portal or something, they just raise their vibration level. They get it high enough. It starts bending light around them. You can't see them. And if they get it even higher, then they can just penetrate right through the dimensional membrane

and they can go into the other realm. And that's what a lot of the natives say, too. They walk in two worlds. You know, they can just pierce the veil. According to other information I've got, that isn't true of all of them. Apparently, it takes some learning or general body size or something. and like the little ones can't do that. The adults can, and they probably have to be trained in order to do it.

So it's not necessarily every Sasquatch you're going to run into is going to be able to open a portal and run away. Yeah, it makes sense. You know, and the way you describe these things, it's almost as if they're, I wouldn't say you feel sorry for them, but they seem to be wanting to be left alone and do their own thing. You got UFOs kind of hassling them. You got other governments probably out there hunting these things down trying to kill them. Then you got Bobo and Matt Moneymaker and all those guys out there, you know. Fighting with other cryptids, government making GMO, things are letting loose that they have to deal with.

But what's your personal feelings towards the Sasquatch? Is it like, you know, is it a good? Oh, I love them. Okay. Yeah, they're nice. They're super nice. They're my buddies. They're just like people are.

You know, some of them are good, some of them are bad, some of them are crazy. But in, you know, the case of the Sasquatch, the ones that I've had to interact with anyway, they all seem to fall into the pretty much good category. And yeah, they just want to be left alone. They don't want us bugging them. They don't want us interfering with them. I think a lot of the reasons that they bother to try and do any kind of communication with people or reach out to them is just because they want for us to carry a basic, simple message to the rest of the humans.

out there. And that's not, ew, humans, which they'd probably like to give that message out too. Their main message is, hey, we're people and not monsters. Message number two, but shooting at us. Well, yeah, and I say that because every other creature we talk about on our show, you don't want to run into one. But Sasquatch is really the only thing that we talk about this sort of outside of, you know, in the paranormal space. It seems to be, you have, people have good experience. And there's a lot of Christians who say, oh, they're demonic. They're all demonic. And I'm like, I don't really think the evidence they're all.

Yeah. Some of them sound like it. I can unequivocally say they are not demonic because my last show on Sunday, I did a replay of when I had Dave the Delivererer on talking about that. And Dave was professional in the deliverance ministries for about 30 years. He threw about 3,000 demons into God's dumpster fire during that time period. and he ran into some Bigfoot when he was out night fishing and they didn't want him in his pond and he didn't know they were Bigfoot

he just heard horrible noises coming from the woods so he tried an exercise and it didn't work and then they got mad and started shaking a tree next to the pond which was a mesquite tree it's not very easy to shake a musquite tree and at that point he went oh those are demons those are Bigfoot I need to get out of their pond

and go like I'm sorry guys I'm getting out of here They were demonic 100%. He would have slammed him into God's flaming dumpster fire. And, you know, same thing with the Nephilim thing. They're not Nephlam. And anybody can actually talk to them by their mind speaking or verbally,

and a lot of people have asked them that question. And it's not, the answer isn't just no, it's hell no. They get really pissed. That's like an insult. Because they consider themselves to be on the side of Tahoe, the creator, God, they're not on the side of the bad guys, and that's what they think, you know. Wishing you could be there live for the big game, soaking up the atmosphere of the crowd,

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And they talk about when Lord Rama's girlfriend was kidnapped by giants and taken to the island of Sri Lanka, which was named after their number one demon god, Ravanna, whose name was Lanka. That's where Sri Lanka came from. But at the time, he didn't have a big enough... Navy or anything to try and bring a gazillion troops there to fight an army of giants to get his girlfriend back again. So his allies said, hey, we'll build you a bridge so you can march your armies across. You don't need a big Navy then. And he's like, okay, I'm totally down to that.

So they built what was called Adams Bridge, which is, according to the legends, about 10 miles long and half mile wide. And it bridged from the mainland out to Sri Lanka. Now, interestingly, satellite imaging found Adams Bridge exactly where they said it was going to be and just how big they said it was going to be about three and a half four years ago. And they put an archaeological dive team on it to see if it was natural or man-made. And after a couple of years, they came back and said, this thing is man-made and it's at least 6,000 years old. Okay, that one's solved. So according to the legend now, Rama's allies had built this bridge for him, not only built a bridge for him,

They wanted to be part of his army and go massacre the living crap out of the giants and help him get his girlfriend back again. So who were these weird people? Well, according to the descriptions, they were named Vannara, which in Sanskrit means forest people. They didn't wear clothes. They were covered with hair, and some of them were the size of elephants. Sound familiar. And they were all down with the idea of invading that island and killing the crap out of the giants. so you can see like they're not on the same side.

Yeah. Yeah. It's going to be like the Battle of Armageddon, dude. Luke, you're going to have Bigfoot next to you, just taking them down the aliens. Dude, just sounds like I'm hon. Yeah. Yeah, I hug the wookies. I want them on my side.

Yeah, go wookies. I mean, it makes sense. I mean, it's like the paranormal golden retrievers out there, ready to help us, huh? Yeah. Well, their job is basically to stay the hell out of the way. There was a carding one source at some point there was an alien race that either had something to do with their creation or just somehow managed to get control of them that wanted them to actually spy on us for them. But that race is like left. And now in their place comes the little gray bastards going, ah, there gone.

Now you're a contrast. And Bigwood's like, no, I'm not. Step on. I mean, you get to a certain place when you're so steeped in this, in a podcast like this and you, like today we had just a wild episode this morning. And, you know, talking about all kinds of things. We did a deep diving in the Murphoke and the underwater kingdoms and all that stuff.

So you start to realize that there is no black and white answer to most of this stuff. Like, it's all the ones. It's real life. It's all shades of gray. Yeah. In order to get a specific answer, you have to ask a specific question. Duke, I've got a specific question. And this is probably should have been a question from the top with you.

But you know, you've been in the space for 40 years as a researcher. What does that look like on a day-to-day and maybe even seasonally? I know that there's an actual, you know, a season for you where you're actually out on the field. Yeah, we're just about done with it. Yeah, but what are? High mountains. You don't get more in about if you're lucky, happy year that you can do anything. So what does it look like?

So are you out, are you out, explain as a research? During the summer months, I'm out as much as I can afford to be out there. If I got the money in a working vehicle, I'll live out there. I mean, really, I only have to come back to town to file reports and put out of the videos. The rest of the time I could be out there doing research. So the only limitation on me is, you know, if I got a working vehicle and how much money I've got to keep paying for gas to get out there and back. Other than that, I'll be out there as much as I can. And some years I'm out there constantly.

One year, I spent 176 nights in the field. And this year and last year wasn't that great. I was having mechanical problems. So I was having a hell of the time even getting out there. But I was still out there, you know, like two, three times a month all summer long. Are you shooting video? You're on the same spot? Oh, yeah.

Wherever we go, we're shooting video. We spent a lot of time in the garnet range up by the ghost out of Coloma this summer, which is different than our usual. a location because this one it's like you don't hardly ever see them they really keep a low profile they don't make structures at least no big ones or anything you get snaps and leaners and stuff but nothing like the colossal constructs that other troop is making and but what we did get was a ton of tracks we got way more tracks than we usually get and there's one individual up there that's really big because we found three different 21-inch tracks from him this summer and then there's a

smaller huge one that left two track lines of 19-inch tracks going up and down this steep ridge, which, you know, thanks for doing that, dude, because he managed to do that the same day I was there with Kelly Shop, Rocky Mountain Sasquatch. So when Kelly found that, he was pretty happy, big grin on his face, these are the biggest tracks I've ever found. I fought 19-inchers before, but not a whole track line of, oh, my God, you know, he's like, and these are like craters in the ground going up this ridge. They weren't just, like, flat on the ground, there were craters. whatever it made them was huge and very heavy

you know and you know what do you think Sasquatch thinks about you filming I mean obviously they they don't want us to film them they don't care if you get audio of them they don't care if you film their tracks

if you film their structures just don't film them but if you catch them fair and square on camera then I guess you get you get to keep the video or something I'm not sure exactly how that happens because I have accidentally caught him

on camera a few times and they didn't erase the video and boy they've sure done that with some other people that I've had in my research area where they just screwed to their cameras they erased every damn thing that was on it or they turned it all into snowball fights and cross lines going across it or you know I had one time I was in an area that apparently they didn't want me to be in there because I was filming I walked in there myself and I had the camera on most of the whole time I was in there I had to keep stopping it and turning it on again because it wouldn't run long enough so I had three clips and when I came back

down to where my buddy was parked who had to answer call of nature, which is why it wasn't walking with me. And I looked at my camera. There wasn't any video there. Not only was there no video there, there was no files there. Wow. It skipped right from 44 to 47 or 48. There's like three of them missing. Dude, what keeps you going back? I mean, you're 30 plus years in. What's driving you? What keeps you going back? 40 plus years, 40 plus years. 40 plus years. I'm sorry. 40 to 46, no. 46. six years. He keeps you going back. It's fun. I like camping anyway.

Right. And when you can go camping, you know, and when you get older and you got lots of broken bones and stuff, it's miserable camping when it's cold raining and whatnot, it hurts. And I'm legally fully disabled, so of course I don't want to do that anyway. But, you know, when the weather's nice and stuff

and you can be out there camping, I would practically rather be able to live in the woods during the summer than be in town. So I've just got that natural affinity for it. And then we've had there's some genius guy I wish I could remember what his name was but several years ago he made this weird checklist of people that are really close interactors on good terms with Bigfoot do they have common things to them what do they have in common and he had this list of like 12 or 15 things and I actually checked off almost everything but two boxes on it and the two boxes I didn't check off was like one was being female I can't remember what the other one was but but I actually checked off almost everything but two boxes on it and the two boxes I didn't check off was like one was being female I can't I can't remember what the other one was but But the rest of them were all like weird things like, do you like camping? Would you rather be camping than be at home?

Do you like walking in the woods? Will you walk in the woods at night? Will you walk in the woods at night without a weapon? And I gave that list to two of my friends that are habituators, and they hit like 14 out of 15 on their list. You get scared out there at all? You get freaked out? Oh, they freak out sometimes. I mean, two weeks ago, Saturday, we were up in Sapphire Mountains,

and we couldn't camp on our regular campsite where they sort of expect us to be because somebody else was camping there. So we had to go about a mile and a half down the valley through the pass to where the next campsite was. Luckily, nobody was on that one. So we sat up there. And it was miserably cold. It was like 20 degrees that night.

So my buddy Johnny gets in his car, leans the chair way back, pulls his sleeping bag up, pulls the top over his head and tries to go to sleep like that. Well, I'm in my tent and I got an air mattress and a sleeping bag and three blankets on me. And I'm cocooning up, trying to hold all of the heat in. And I got a hat on and I got gloves on. And I'm just starting to get comfy. And all of a sudden to hear swish, swish thud, thud. like the two heaviest steps I have ever heard. Dude, I've been right next to a frigging draft horse running past me.

I've been right next to an elephant. I know what it sounds like when something heavy walks past you. And the first thing that popped into my mind is, got to be a moose. Oh my God, that's way too heavy for a moose. That's way too heavy for a bear. What the hell just walked into camp? And then I talked to Johnny, and that was it.

I turned my flashlight on. I didn't hear anything else. No other sounds. no walking away, no nothing, just that was it. So after a while, I turned the flashlight off, went back to sleep again. It's got to be a Sasquatch. There's nothing else on earth that big, unless there's a giant camp. And he's not trying to eat me yet, so it probably wasn't.

So I get up in the morning, and I went, Johnny, were you awake when that happened last night? And he goes, oh, hell yeah. And I went, did you hear it? And he goes, hear it. I had my feet on the floorboards of the car. Dude, it shook the car. Both footsteps shook the car. and we estimate he walked right in between his vehicle in my tent distance of about 50 feet

so he couldn't have been further away from you know either one of us at about 25 feet i didn't feel the ground shake it was just massive impacts because i was on air mattress but he was sitting in the car and he could feel the car shake how heavy do you have to be to do that from 20 feet away yeah you got to be big that's big really big yeah 46 years right so you keep on doing this you know for the foreseeable future. If you could answer one question or like what kind of what's your opus like what if there's an unanswerable question that you could answer

if you could figure maybe one thing out, what is that thing that sort of pie in the sky thing that you'd like to like to suss out sort of at the, you're looking back on all your years of research. You know one thing that I already know that I found out through my years of research that they're people. They're just primitive relic

people. They're not us but they're very similar. They're the closest thing to us on the planet. It's they can successfully mate with us. So you already got it. What's next on the list then? That's the answer. Well, next on the list is killing hoaxers.

Burning them at the stake or otherwise impaling them. Rick Dyer, you're at the top of the list. What do you think Sasquatch's relationship is to other creatures out there? Obviously, you know, we've heard of endless... They interact with other cryptids. And good, positive, negative? What do you think? It depends on what cryptid it is.

A lot of people like to do. do this king congresses godzilla thing and go what if dogman and bigfoot got into a fight well i got news for you generally when they run into each other they get along with each other and sometimes there's actually dogman hanging around with bigfoot troops i've managed to accidentally get three of them on video in the last two years i didn't even know they were there i look at the video afterwards hey there's a bigfoot there's a big foot there's a dog man there's a big foot oh crap there's a dogman there's a dogman there's a local bigfoot i trust but they got a dogman with them now Yeah, then the next year I caught a completely different looking one,

hanging out with the other tribe. And then I went, actually, this summer I was looking at some old video that I had shot that apparently also has a dog man in it. I'm walking down this trail filming moose tracks, not paying any attention. And I swing around to the camera to repositioned, get a better view of the moose tracks. And as I do, I pan the camera across the bottom of this pine tree right next to the trail. Guess what's underneath the lower branches on the pine tree? There's a medium-sized Sasquatch sitting there, and over on the edge of it on his left-hand side, for just about three or four frames, you can see this huge yellow eye looking.

And this is all on your YouTube, right? Yep. Yeah. Do the little people ride on their shoulders? I know the little people hang around with them because we've not only had reports of that, but I apparently got at least one of them hanging around with them. I was shooting a scene where there was a couple of them sitting up river. from me. They were just on the other side of the river, had their heads poked up over this brush and were watching me. And as I was panning across and not only caught them, but there's

like a little person over there too. I'm like, what the hell is that? That ain't no Bigfoot. It shouldn't have surprised me because the whole area looked like so enchanted Sylvan Glend, Elflands Lord of the Rings. It just totally had that look to the whole area. And you're just Like, this does not look like any of the area around it. It's peculiarly lush and green and, you know, kind of garden-looking sort of thing. It was really peculiar-looking. And then, yeah, well, there was a little person in there, too. That kind of explains it.

They sort of have the reputation of being kind of mischievous and devious. Depends on where you are. Some of the little people in the country are, like, pretty cool. And then other areas are, like, extremely dangerous. So it depends on what region you're in. what kind of local little people you got there. That's Nate's dream. That's his dream right there.

The ones here aren't very forgiving. We try and avoid them. I found moccas and tracks from up by the ghost town. And then I got this new researcher on my team. And about two years later, we were up at Coloma. And I somehow got on the subject to little people. And I went, oh, yeah, I found tracks up here. And he goes, so did I.

I was up here by myself, about a year or so before I contacted you. And he pointed and he goes, it was over that way on the far side of the hill. Yeah, exactly the same place I found them too. I don't go down there anymore. And he goes, me neither. Pointed Nate in that direction. 19-inch Bigfoot tracks, sure I'll follow that. Yeah, right.

Tracks three inches long, forget it. Isn't that funny? Isn't that funny how that is? It's almost like size. Oh, yeah. It's like the natives told us all about that. If you find Bigfoot tracks, don't follow them for very far because they might still be around and they'll think you're tracking them.

They don't like that. But if you see little person tracks, get the hell. out of there. Unless you're Nate Henry. Hey. Then you just, you follow that, you follow that Yellowbrook Road. What about the different differentiation between the little people?

You want to find out more about that. You should probably talk to Robin Moonshadow, who's been doing research on her for years. Okay. And boots on the ground, too. She's even cast in Little Person, tracks and stuff. Wow. They seem to be regional, at least,

like the Naurubi, Namiragar. We've got around here. They're in Wyoming, Montana. probably into Utah, definitely in Idaho. This whole region around here, it's all those same little people. And my new research assistant, who's a pure-blooded native, Sue and Salish, he's all interested in Bigfoot.

He helped me find all kinds of tracks and stuff this summer, heard vocals and everything else. He was the one that was in the car with one, shook his car when it came in a cab a couple weeks ago. He still has yet to see a Bigfoot. But the reason he believes they're real and he's interested in doing it is because he saw little people. They were up by the border,

their vehicle broke down and while they were trying to fix it, here came three of them walking across the road and scared the crap out of them. And he said, I don't know what I was expecting to see, you know, like if they'd be wearing modern clothes or something, but they were wearing old-fashioned clothes like buckskins with fringes on them and they had their hair and, you know, like braids and stuff, just like old traditional native clothing. The Arambae, right? Yeah, Narambi.

Narambi, yeah, I was up in near Fort Smith, Montana this year, fishing on the little big horn. And the guys I was up there with said that there was an adjacent ranch to where we were at where a bunch of old cowboys like, you know, cowboy cowboys basically told them about seeing the little people. And these are, these are not like, I mean. Yeah, these are paranormal research. No, these are like, these are cowboys. These are cowboys. They're like, yeah, they're here. They're out here.

We've seen them. And that's a wild, that's a wild thing. I mean, just in general, it's wild that there's little people running around. Like, it gets Nate's blood going. But, uh, poured from down there in northern Wyoming a few years ago where this guy was out walking around near, I think it was a prior mountains. And, uh, he found this track line of kids, a little child's tracks going into the wilderness, away from civilization. And they're fresh. And you went, oh, my God, this kid's lost.

There's no adult tracks with them. He's going in the wrong direction. So he followed his tracks until it got pretty much dark and he couldn't see him anymore. And then he went back the way he came, got to his vehicle and went and reported it right away. Hey, we got a lost kid out here. I just followed his tracks, you know, blah, blah, a couple miles and it got dark. Okay, so they got the search party out there and they started following the kids' tracks. By the time they got everybody out there and they'd think it was almost, it was morning anyway.

So they didn't have to use flashlight for very far. and they see the tracks in the night before, and his tracks following him, and they followed as far as where his tracks stopped, and they followed away's more, and the tracks are going off up into this broken rock area, and finally they just turned around and came back, and the guy goes, aren't you going to find this kid? And the one guy said, it's not a kid.

It's a little person. They live out here, and they're very dangerous, and we're not going any further. Wow. It's amazing. I remember we were in Peru. we were getting off and we were in Ojante Tombo and I was talking to one of the local guys who was selling stuff and he had these little troll dolls he was selling and I asked him you know I had someone in Spanish who could speak Spanish asked him and he said oh yeah I saw one 18 years ago he called them Dwindes yeah they're up in the mountains and uh he was he was like just stoic look on his face oh yeah they're out they're there I seen him I know I know it's like a matter of fact and and I was just I was laughing because Luke wasn't around Like, if Luke was here, you'd give me the hardest time.

Yeah, absolutely. That lady from the Crow tribe on years ago that had not only seen one, but several members of her family had had in Congress with her with them. And her great uncle had actually had kind of a relation with a group of them for a couple years because he was living out in the middle of nowhere by himself. And they started keeping an eye on him. And she was just you, you know. I was like, well, isn't it interesting how people, when they report on the little people, a lot of the details end up always being the same. And she goes, well, yeah, because they're real. I mean, I think that's hard for a lot of people to come to terms with the fact that these things do exist, these different races and varieties.

And what are they little humans? Are they something else? What do you think? Good, good question. I mean, we've got actually, there's archaeological evidence for little people that we don't have for Bigfoot. We've got homo Floresensis and Homo Luzon already. categorized, classified, and they don't even think of the same kind. They're apparently two different kinds of little people.

Those are the ones they call The Hobbit, like three feet tall. Well, that's a little person. And Indonesia, they've still got reports of what they call Ibogogo, which is the little person. It's like three feet tall. And I've already shown the clip from over there where there was this YouTube channel that goes and take their dirt bikes, goes through all these different local islands, cruise around on them.

You got cameras on the front of the dirt bikes. just film whatever's in front of them while they're driving around and then put those things up on their channel. They've got like 400 videos up on their channel. One video they're driving along and all of a sudden this little guy throws a spear through the front spokes on the front motorcycle causing it to wipe out. The one right behind it pulls up and stops. The guy behind him is getting all this on video. He checks to see if they're okay. This little naked guy comes running out and beats ass down the trail and he takes off on his motorcycle following it and filming it.

And this guy's like literally three feet tall. And he's running around barefoot, bare ass naked through this jungle, which he then jumps off the trail and runs into. They tried to follow after him. They're like, hell, no, I'm not going in here. You know, he can go in there and get himself killed. I'm not doing it. But again, these guys never really put that out. Somebody else found it and put it out and made a big deal out of it.

Some of the channels that put it out got like two, three hundred thousand views on it. And you go back and look at their original video. I bet it still got only like two or three thousand views on it because that's not what they did with their channel. So chances of this being a hoax are just about zero because they didn't make a damn penny off it. Dude, have you seen that video from Colorado? Big. Yeah. Yeah.

First of all, there's a local group there that does Sasquatch tours. Secondly, they've got video of one of the members or a picture of one of the members of the team with half of Sasquatch suit on. Yeah. And all of that aside, let's just say they have nothing to do with it, somebody else is hoaxing it. Because as soon as you zoom in close on that image, look at it from the knees down. Bigfoot's lower legs do not look like they're wearing bell bottoms. Yeah, I know. So that's a big no one.

And the other thing is that even though he did the position pretty good of leading forward, keeping knees bent, his arms aren't long enough. Yeah. And thinker-thunker will tell you that with his Bigfoot DNA thing, that he talks about proportional DNA where the proportions of a human and a big foot are just different. You can't put a human in a Bigfoot suit and make them look like a Bigfoot. Their joints are in the wrong place. You can always tell if it's fake or not by comparing body proportion.

A big foot's arms are just as long as its legs are. You know, we interviewed a guy in Tennessee that everyone said his video was fake, but he came on the show and he showed us exactly where he filmed it. And that was one of those videos about six months ago that went viral when he was reaching between the trees and pulling itself along. And I thought it was legit. And his friend was a friend of him. And he said he came on our show and talked about that one.

I don't know if you know that video. it's in Tennessee. It's in his backyard. It's like in the tree line at that sunset. But I thought it was legit because how long the arms were. And then everyone said, oh, it's a Halloween costume. But then, you know, he swore up and down that his friend didn't, you know, he was just a nine to five or working blue collar kind of guy doesn't have times. But what you're just describing, though, about the little people. It reminds me of the brownies and Willow, you know, throwing the little spears at him, remember? They're quite a bit smaller than Naurumbia are much more dangerous foot and a half tall. that's right out of the way peck large groups

yeah exactly so you're crawling with brownies we've learned we've learned the thing or two we've heard a lot of weird stories about Sasquatch

and all these things we still haven't had anyone really talk in depth about the some of the visions that people get in their minds but also the orbs associated these glowing

orbs that are around them you've seen those orbs and what do you think that association with Sasquatch. What are those? I'll guess where it got my part. I've never seen an orb.

I've never seen one anywhere around Bigfoot. So I don't know. People definitely get videos of them. I have a friend up in Alaska who's a doctor that just sent me a video today of his external camera on his house. It's supposed to be a security cam. Picked up what looks like an orb.

It comes up off the ground. It stops. Goes around a little circle. Cuts back in the opposite direction. goes off screen. And there's other pieces of debris, like little specks of dust or bugs or whatever, and a cruise around.

Whatever this was is perfectly circular. And it came right up and like Hubbard in midair. Then it did a little loop and went back this way again. And you're like, well, if it was a bug, why does it look round? Yeah, that's wild. It's hard to know. You know, some people were saying

that if you slow down some of the Sasquatch vocals when they're talking they send they you know one guy was trying to convince us that you can hear him communicating when you slow it down that the Sasquatch just speaks super quick I know from a friend of mine that's had one individual has been around

this guy's family for three generations his grandfather started habituating him he's still hanging around to the family so at this time his command of English is pretty impressive big words he doesn't necessarily get right or know really what they mean but conversational English he's really good at it

so they're you know you can actually get answers out of them on some of this stuff the same friend of mine is actually recorded some conversations with them that they won't make public but I've got to listen to him and I actually got to do talk to one of them on the phone at one point and when they talk even if it's in good English it's so fast you have to sit there and think about it for a minute because they'll run half a paragraph together in one fast sentence

and even though you're catching all of it, it's going by so fast. You're just not used to humans being able to talk that fast. So you have to actually sit there and digest it and think about what they just said and go, oh, okay, I got it. So that's when you throw in a big word and trip them up, right? You're like, yeah, anti-disestablishment and terrorism and they're like, yeah, I got nothing.

Sometimes they ask what things are like prowl what does the word prowl means we'd explain that to them that's what you do outside our house prowls prowl is what big cats do at night they prowl around okay got it whatever that may mean to them you know they go out and yell and pee on things i don't know something about big cat at night prowl and duke and you know 40 years what do you think is like the ones one or two stories that have that have really stuck with you all these years about this creature, maybe. Oh, God, I've heard hundreds of stories, you know,

and some of them I know for a fact or true. I can't think of any, like, particular one individual story that really stands out. You know, one of the things I like is the Patterson Gimlin video, which after 50 years, they still had been able to successfully debunk. As Nelson Bunce would say, ha ha ha! Can you tell us about your best Montana encounter you've had out there?

well I've had tons of them some of them I got on camera probably the two both of these are going to be included in the documentary I'm working on right now one of them is where we were out where there had been a giant six-story tall X that they had deconstructed and there was still a smaller tertiary X next to it

and when I had been there previously filming the tertiary X I got something in the background that looked like a young female Sasquatch Blaine Tyler spotted her. And I went, okay, I can find that exact spot and shoot a comparison video, same time of day, same sky conditions. If it's there, still, we'll know it's a stump

or something. So I'm getting myself into position. I know exactly where to go. I have to walk through this whole tangle of timber and go around this big pile of fallen trees and then cut back around some other ones. If you're in front of it, you can get it on video. Well, as it turned out, after I filmed the video,

there was nothing there. so the object that I had filmed was definitely a living object so we went back and looked at it again and as I'm coming up on that spot to film the X on my right-hand side not more than 40 feet away from me there's a huge adult female that I must have caught off guard when I came around the edge of the ridge and I looped right back around again she didn't have time to hide successfully so she just laid down behind these two fallen trees. And she's got her head sticking up over the tree looking at me. And you can see underneath the two trees where her body's laying on the ground.

So it's like really obvious. And she is not giving me the happy look. And right in front of her, there's a smaller one that's just kind of standing there pretending to be a stump, a little bitty one. So here's mom, here's junior, and there's daughter down there. And I just walked right in between them. and I'm filming daughtered. I don't even realize I'm doing it. And mom's right back behind me.

He gave me the stink eye. Okay, that was a scary piece of video. And one of my friends took a look at it and went, oh my God, that's got to be a Sasquatch. And I went, you know, maybe it's not there anymore. I brought him back to where the spot was. He looked at it. It ain't there.

So he goes, you mind if I share that picture with somebody? And I went, sure, go ahead. So he calls me back a couple weeks later. And he says, hey, I shared that picture with one of my friends. and then he called me about 15 minutes later and asked if it was from a video and I gave him a link so he could look at that. And I said, yeah. And he goes, and he didn't get back to me. So I called him a couple days later and asked him what he thought of it.

And I said, okay. And he said, well, his analysis was, and I go, what do you mean analysis? And he goes, yeah, this guy is military video and film analysis guy. That's what he does. I'm like, oh, okay. what was his analysis? I'm curious. He started laughing and he goes, he said it's not a stump, it's not a rock, it's something that's alive, and I don't know what the hell that thing is. And the other one that I'm going to definitely be showing is one of my favorite ones is right across from camp where we don't usually go there because there's a nice freezing cold, usually fairly deep river in between. So you have to wait through that to go out. over there it makes it less than appealing but it was it later in the year and the river was way down

so we could wait across it so we were curious because on the other side of the river there's a steep embankment and never having been there we don't know how high it goes or what's up there or anything you know so and my two friends just stayed down by the river went up river to where we knew there was a big asterisk structure and mike was going to show our guest that was with us where it was they were going to get some video and i went okay i'll just go straight up the hill and see how hard this thing goes and then I'll cut over the top of the hill and I'll meet you guys down in the valley on the other side. Okay. So I go up there by myself. I get up there and it's like three times as high as I thought it was. You couldn't even begin to see the bottom of it from camp because as soon as you get over the crest, there's like more hill and more hill and more hill. So finally I get up there and when I got up there, I realized I could see all the way across the valley. So I'll grab the camera, start zooming out. Look at this. Here's this whole beautiful valley and stuff. And I get this weird feeling. Something's behind me. So I just turn around like this. I turned back against. I keep filming.

I didn't notice anything when I did that, but I still had the feeling something was behind me, and now I had the feeling it wasn't happy. So I went, okay, well,

I'm going to go catch up with my friends. I'll get back to you guys when I get there, and I turned the camera up, and I started walking across the hilltop, and on the far side of the hilltop,

there was a big pile of fallen timber that usually I would have just went around. But I was not going to look back behind me and see who the pissed off partner was that was following me, because I could feel It was like somebody staring holes in the back of your head.

I walked right across that pile of fallen timber. My reasoning being if somebody big and heavy is behind me, they're going to make a hell of a racket trying to follow me through this pile of timber because I'm almost tipping some of it over and their weight will definitely do it. So they were obliged to go around me. And so I made it over the pile of fallen timber, went down into the valley down below. And when I got over to where my friends were,

they were already filming this astros structure. So I started filming. We had seven of them. that were there, and I think most of them just followed me down there. There was one that we got on video that was just huge standing back there. Well, this might be the same one that I got standing right behind me, and if you guys want to see that, it's on my channel. The video is called Giant Sasquatch right behind me,

because he was like less than 30 feet away, and I turned around like that. He was standing in this tree. You could see the whole side of his face. You can see part of his mouth. You can see his eye. You can see his fore. at and stuff. You can see the outlines of his shoulder back in the end of the tree and stuff.

His nose is about the size of my head. He was an easy 12 feet tall, if not bigger. Dang. That's a big schnaz. I think I found his track at the campsite right across the river earlier this year. We were just randomly there for an afternoon, run around looking for stuff. And somebody had stepped across this one little creek that feeds into the river. And when they came down on the far embankment, their whole full.

foot didn't come down just the front part of it. And the weight was so much, it crushed the embankment and left drag marks from all five toes in it. So if you haven't got the whole track there, the way to know how long it is, is to measure across the ball of the foot. And then

you take that measurement, you double it, and that's your length. It's almost always accurate within an inch or two. So that was 11 inches across. So he was leaving a 22-inch friggin' track. That's how big he is. Wow. It's like it's a shack squatch out there.

Yeah, that's, you know, his track is two feet long. We had found one that was right in the sand going up from the river to the camp. There's a little walkway there. Step right in the middle of the damn thing. And you could tell for sure it wasn't a human track because, first of all, slightly too big, 15 inches long. Secondly, it was like a cookie cutter squashed into the ground. And I weighed 240, and I put my one foot right next to it and bounced on one foot and couldn't any mark on the ground.

And this sucker sank like three inches into it. What's the biggest track I ever found? No, what's the biggest squash? I guess the biggest squash that's been... Anywhere? Yeah, I just wonder how big they can get. Oh, they can get gigantic. Now, the ones here in Montana claim they get up to 18 feet, but I haven't seen one that

big yet. Blaine Tyler got one that's reasonably between 15 and 16 feet on video a few years ago in Northeast Ontario, Canada. And he, you know, you can clearly see where the tree was. It was standing next to. And he went back and measured it. And the little Y in the tree up toward the top of it measured out at about 20 feet. The branch coming off the side of it was at about 15 feet.

And that's right about where the top of his head was. That's a big, that's a big guy. And built like the Hulk. Not tall and skinny like, you know, a basketball player. Built like the Hulk and 15 feet tall. And then we found a video that a copter pilot in Alaska had made. I don't know if it was this summer or the year before, but they were just up there surveying a gold steak

for somebody that wanted to go and make sure nobody was up there messing around to their stay, their claim. So all he had to do was land in this little field of his copter, walk over to where the marker was, film it. Here's the marker, here's the field, nobody's here. Bada bada bama, bum, undone. Walk back to the copter.

When he's filming that pan, there is a freaking gigantic Sasquatch standing just inside the tree line watching him. And he's obvious as hell, because he's almost twice, as tall as the trees he's standing in. And Blaine, who got the 16-footer on video, took a look at that video, and he went, it's hard to tell how big he is because there's no known measured object right next to him.

But the trees there are very similar to what we have up here. I know about how tall they get. And I'm guessing he's even bigger than the one I got. So more like 17, 18 feet. That's a big boy. That's a big, big old squatch. That's terrifying. You know what to piss him off.

He can toss a copter. You toss a hundred-pound boulder, your copter, and you're done. I know this is a little bit probably out of your research and stuff, but, I mean, obviously, one of my last questions for you, Duke, we're on the dawn of disclosure. I mean, they're basically telling us these aliens and these UFOs and stuff have been going on a while. What do you think is going on with all that? I think they got wind that somebody's on their way to pay us a visit and that they're going to disclose their own existence if these jerks are going to do it or not. And they're on a very limited time scale to try and set the belief system in line with what they're. want people to think before it happens.

I got a question, Duke. And our first episode, you know, almost, it would be almost 200, almost 200 episodes ago. You said that if we were to go out on a go squatching with you, there's about a 70% chance of what you said, that we would have an encounter. Is that still true? Are your numbers a little higher now?

Or are we going to have to get up there and go walk in the woods with you? Kelly Shaw from Rocky Mountain Sosquatch organization. I've been pestering in for years. come on my show. I finally got him on two years ago. And then last winter, we did another update. And this summer he told me, well, I don't come out to Montana every year, but I'm going to be up there this year. And I said, okay, well, you damn well better come visit me because you always run around up here and you don't know where anything is locally. I know where the hot spots are. Get a hold of me. You know, you want to film a Bigfoot? Get a hold

to me. I'll take you out where they are. I'll give you the maximum opportunity to do so. So he showed up randomly out of the blue, called me one afternoon. Hey, are you busy? I'm nearby. I'm like, no, I'm giving myself the day off. What do you want to do? Let's go out this afternoon. So we went up to the garnet range to the ghost town up there and walked around, spent about five, six hours. And like I said earlier in the interview, he found a couple trackways of 19-inch tracks,

and he found lots of tracks of various individuals. Heard whoops, heard, you know, rock clacks and wood knocks and all kinds of stuff. And at one point he heard whoops. He turned his camera on, pointed in the direction of the whoops are coming from. I just heard whoops from over there. He actually caught the second one on camera. camera. It's not very loud, but he got it. But what he didn't realize that he caught on camera was too bigfoot peeking from behind trees looking at him. So I had to go back up there a month later and

filmed from the same exact spot, same light conditions, make comparison video for him, which I passed along to him, and he hasn't even turned the video out yet. But yeah, he got two Sasquatch on video while he was up here with me. So what do you think? How good is my percentage? That is great. Duke Sullivan, dude, the Sasquatch Whisper. Yeah. You know what? I think if we got out there, we need to do this at some point. Come see you.

Do that. And then he's getting Nate on the little people up there. Let him follow those little moccas and trails. Oh, yeah, I'll point you in what direction that they're at. Just don't come back to camp after. You'll lead them back. You're good, brother. I'm going to have 10 GPS trackers on me.

I'll tell you that. They'll zap them all in front. What are you, what's your advice to people who get into the Squatch? get into squatching. What do you tell them to do? What's your advice to people who want to go out and have an experience? Well, first thing to keep in mind is that they're people, they're not show ponies. And I get people like bug me about that a lot.

Dude, can you take me out here? Can you take me out there? Well, if I took out everybody that wanted me to take them out, I would be doing nothing but that. And the Bigfoot would find that very intrusive and would become extremely unhappy with it in short order. So don't crowd them If it's just going to be just you there Sure, it go a lot But if you're going to be dragging other people with you

Drag the same people with all the time Don't be bringing new different people with You're never going to get anywhere They got to make up their mind about you Not to mention anybody else you got with you I've actually had to jettison some people from my team Because they didn't like them When I had them with me they wouldn't show up

Probably redheads right They have red hair Do they have red hair? So they're, yeah, they're, yeah. They probably like redheads. I don't know. They smell just like beef, vegetable stew. That was the problem.

Yeah, they probably like that. It makes them hungry. But yeah, the, you know, maybe that's not a good thing. Yeah, it's probably not. No. That's from someone who's an expert or one of my favorite. It does make a difference who you have with you. It's entirely possible that they actually like you,

and they don't mind that you come up and hang out, and they might even have fun sneaking up on cap and live. listening to your dumb stories late at night around the campfire. But if you got somebody with it, they don't like and they don't trust, they're not going to be there. And that's really a problem because sometimes people that ought to us seem like they're perfectly fine and reasonable and reliable and nice people. And they are. So they can read their minds and go, yeah. Exactly.

They'll like Luke. Because Luke's probably out there just wandering around thinking about tacos, bourbon, and French bulldogs. And they're like, that guy, we like him. Yeah. He could be one of our people. We like those tacos. Exactly. By the way, that's another thing.

If you're going to habituate them and you're going to trade with them or something like that, and you want to give them food, make sure that you give them food that isn't bad for them. Don't give them like candy bars and stuff like that

because they don't have a dentist. They don't know about tooth brushing or anything. About spicy food. They like spicy food? I don't know. That's probably on the individual basis. I haven't tried to anything like that. One thing I accidentally discovered that they really like is bacon.

God, don't let them know about bacon. Because they want bacon every time. And bacon's freaking expensive. Yeah. You play the flute for them? They like the flute. Yeah, I've heard that. What's his face?

Robert up at Swan Lake Bigfoot. Actually, carries a flute around with him, and he'll play it for him. Wait, Duke, are you telling us you're not, are you telling us you're not a flautist? Actually, I have a Tibetan singing ball that I bring with. Oh. Which they love those things. Yeah.

It's the frequency, I think. But, yeah, if they're around at all, and you've got one of those things going, they will definitely show up to see what's going on. What's that weird noise? It's cute. Duke's not a flautist, but he is a Tibetan singing bowlist. Yeah.

You know how to have a good time. It's not even an actual Tibetan singing bowl. It says right on the container that it comes in made in Nepal. So it's a fake Napoli's knockoff of a Tibetan. and singing bowl. Wow. And they know that. And the squashes know this, so they won't come around.

Yeah, it's like, it's like getting Jack Daniels whiskey made in Mexico. Right, yeah. It's probably real popular with the Yetis, but, you know, maybe a little road. Maybe it's a tougher sell out here. It might not be exactly the same thing as a Sasquatch. I've been starting to get some peripheral information on that, that they're kind of, they're similar, but not exactly the same, not the same way. Like a Yer and a Yowie and a Sasquatch are almost the same thing, but a Yeti.

isn't really. So an animal. It's not going to be putting, not putting that box. He doesn't want to be. There's more than one kind. Even amongst what they call the Yeti, there's three different varieties, which is interesting because, you know, we have multiple bipedal hominids here on the North American continent, too. We've got the Albatwitch, the little squatches, tree peakers is that also called that they only get like about four feet tall, but otherwise it kind of look like a big foot.

And then there's a big foot that are much bigger. And apparently in the Himalayas, they got three kinds. going up to the largest size, which would be around Sasquot size. And then they have something even bigger than that. It's like 15 to 20 feet tall that they called the Nielmo, which is my candidate for what left those tracks that the Indian Army found on the slopes of McAulieu a few years ago when they freaked out the whole world by posting the pictures to Twitter.

And everybody went, you're perpetuating a Yiddhi hoax. And he went, we're not hoaxing anything. We found these tracks. We photographed them. You figure out what the hell they are. There's 17 inches wide, 32 inches long. Go, go, go. Figure it out.

Here's the pictures. What is it called again? Oh, the really big one. Yeah. NYA-L-M-O. N-L-M-O. So, yeah. So tickle me in the Elmo.

So that's the best candidate for something that nap big. I think it was like 15. Throw you over the side. 17 inches wide was the track width. and then over 30 inches for the length, if I remember. That's what destroyed those guys that went. And in the Russian, right? Diplov Pass.

Yeah, the Diplov Pass. Yeah, I still don't believe a Bigfoot did that. It doesn't, you know, details don't match up very well. Something ripped their tongues out. Something crazy. Yeah. Well, you know, there's been a couple channels that have done a breakdown in this and excruciating details showing exactly the distribution of the bodies where they were found,

when they were found, condition they were in, and then they went, okay, let's go back. A Yeti shows up, roars at them. They cut their way out of the tent to run away, 30 below with no clothes on. Then the Yeti waits for hours before it goes down and kills these guys. And then it waits for more hours before it detect.

Why? The other thing is that one of those corpses also had hard radiation. That's not a big one. That's weird, yeah. Well, maybe UFO stuff. Yeah. Well, it could have been, there could have been secret military testing there.

The local fancy tribesmen, that's the mountain of death. That's where they were. And the area around the mountain in their language is called, Don't Go Here. Derve? Can't take a frickin' warning? Well, when you go camping the mountain of death in that area, mysteriously called Don't Go Here.

That sounds like fun. Yeah, not the smartest move. Not the smartest move on their farm. No, no. The weird thing about this, and most people don't know this, is that the same thing happened to the Mancy tribesmen a generation earlier, which is why they named that area don't go here. And the even creepier thing is that they also lost a group that went there,

camped on the mountain overnight, never came back, they went to found them later, they were all dead. They didn't have like medical stuff to go, hey, this guy's really active or whatever, but it looked very suspicious to them. Guess how many of there were? nine exactly the same number I think when you get early into this space you blame everything on Sasquatch and then obviously

when you get into these spaces you realize there's a lot of stuff out there especially the stuff that up and vanishes so you know that it's not just Sasquatch taking people and stealing people it's could be craft involved I mean human trafficking well that's why Diamond Dave Politey's made his latest show about how it might be the little UFO guys doing this stuff because the evidence ain't leading

the direction of Bigfoot. We've been telling them that for years. You've finally started to figure it out. Yeah, they're taking German hunters and German physicists. Yeah, yeah, why would Bigfoot do that? Oh, those Germans are cute. Let's grab them and name. No, come on, give me a break.

But Germans smell good. You smell like sark trout and beer. Right, yeah, yeah. They have a month-long celebration in October. Let's grab these guys. Norther humans are so worthy of being abducted because they don't have, you know, months long, actually it's six weeks long,

if you count flashing, beer celebration Dude, I love it You're like an encyclopedia of all the paranormal stuff Appreciate you like taking a chance on our podcast Early coming on and hanging out We took a lot of phone calls and I really like you.

You're a genuine guy and you really care about this space And you're just curious You're like you haven't lost that that whimsy That we all had when we were kids of just being curious About all the weird stuff that's out there And love to get up to Bigfoot country one of these days and see one of these things. I mean, apparently they're here, though, in Tennessee, Luke. Oh, yeah. You got plenty of bigfoot down there. No problem there. You guys got plenty.

And as far as my curiosity, yeah, like I'm a little too curious for my own good. A lot too curious for my own good. I'm talking to one of my friends that's having a conversation, a live conversation with two Bigfoot in their yard. And these are both ones that can speak passable English. And then... Mind speak or other, no, physically speak English. What? And yeah, well, you know, if they're hanging around with humans long enough, they learn your language. And if they can talk to you, they can ask you what other words mean, and then they get better at it. And like I said, this one has been hanging around to the same family for three generations.

His English is really good. Well, they're hanging around in this one person's yard, like practically every night they're out there. There's two, three of them at least. And there's one particular night, they're out in the backyard, and there's this other not big foot there. it's a dog man and so they're going like hey the dog man's here

and I went oh cool ask them this question by golly I got an answer too what'd you ask? I asked them two different questions I asked them first of all were the synocephaly the dog-headed people which I already know they're not the same

as the dog man were any of those ever in North America because we've gotten reports from tribes up here near British Columbia. One tribe in particular was saying that there were a tribe of these guys that lived next to them in this mountain valley right on the other side of the mountain from them. And they were dog-headed people. They never had any issues with them. They never fought with them or anything. They kind of traded with them occasionally, but otherwise it just kind of ignored each other.

And he said after about like a generation and a half two generations, they just moved at some point. They don't know where they went to. They just, they're gone. They're not on the other side of the mountain anymore. So I asked him about that and he said, yes, there were some here. There still are, but very few. And then the second question I asked them is, did our evil mad scientist in alphabet agencies make their own dogmen?

And this is the one that I found interesting. His answer was yes, I've encountered them. And I think it's really fun to tear them into pieces when I do. Yeah, you know, they're all chipped. They have trackers on them, every single one of them. They know exactly where they are and what their life signs are doing at any given moment. And when that tracker stops moving and all of a sudden it goes dead, there's no life signs, they're kind of wondering what's going on.

And they show up to find their little dog man torn into a million pieces, and they start wondering what did that. A real dog man is what did it. Yeah. I don't like the dogman stories. They're pretty, not my favorite. Definitely the creepiest. They don't have a sense of humor like the Bigfoot do.

Yeah, exactly. You can actually, it is possible to get on their good side so that, you know, they won't hurt you or anything, but they're not, like, going to want to hang around and have conversations with you or something. Some of the Sasquatch do. They're just basically not allowed to do it. The dogman doesn't sound like he's a whole lot of fun at parties. No, well, you know, I was kind of surprised because,

Somebody I had on my show a long time ago that everybody thinks is the woo-woo queen, completely crazy. And all the crazy stuff she told me on my show since then has all turned out to be true. And she said the dogman is the policeman of the woods. And he went, what do you mean? And she goes, well, you know, like when a cop shows up and all the kids are standing around the parking lot, smoking cigs and drinking beer, they all throw everything and run in every direction to get away from. And I'm like, oh, okay, people scream and run away from dog man. But then she told me after the fact, she said, no, they actually are the policemen. When the Sasquots run into problems, they can't deal with or don't want to deal with, they call in dog man to do it.

Because they enjoy tearing things to piece. They call them the SWAT team. That's it. They enjoy tearing things to pieces and killing them. Yeah. When the local cops can't do it, get the SWATs. The local Bigfoot can't swat you. They're going to call in a 12-foot dog man to kill your ass.

You should, you probably, your third, your third question probably should have been like, do you get mad if they call you man dog? You know, it's, it's important. I think, Nate, I think if we had some Sasquatch hanging around and listen to us talk, they'd be pretty proficient in movie quotes. And they wouldn't know anything. I've seen any of the movies, but they'd be dropping the quotes. You go, this Sasquatch says it should have some interesting things. If you guys ever heard the song, Bigfoot by Bro Smith. Bigfoot by Brose Smith?

I don't think so. I'm using it as an extra part on some of my shows right now. It's an old song from 1972, and it's, you know, kitschy and the chorus line is Bigfoot's coming, going to get you, going to get you, going to get you. Bigfoot's coming, going to catch you right now. So, anyway, I played this song for one of my friends. It actually has them hang around by their property,

and they thought it was hilarious. So they played it for them. Big mistake. They also thought it was hilarious. Now, they have to play it for them every night. And they've learned most of the lyrics. And when I call, they put me on the speaker phone, and guess who gets to sing, Bigfoot's coming, going to get you, going to get you.

And the last line, lock your doors and bolt your windows because Bigfoot's on the prow. Remember I told you they wanted to know. The prow. Yeah. Now, the funny thing is, now when I do it usually ends up eliciting hysterical laughter from my friend that's standing there listening to them. It goes between one and four of them. We'll sing the chorus line after you get done.

And go, Spat, It's on the prowl. Howling and prowling. I mean, this, this episode just took a wild turn. They don't need to shake trees,

growl and pitch rocks in humans to chase them out of the woods. All they got to do is sit back in the woods far enough that you can't see them and go, Bigfoot coming going to get you, going to get you. Can you imagine? I was just like, yeah, you know, They're going to wet their pants and get out of there as fast as they can. You don't have to do anything else.

Not a lot of alto's probably in that band. They have a lot of deep voices. Actually, a hilarious thing is the one that likes the song the most is a youngster. He's only, he's still got kind of a high-speaky voice. His voice has been rock yet. But he's like eight feet tall. So he's always like, big foot on the bra. I love it.

Duke. Remind our listeners where they can find you and listen to your show. Do we got a couple more minutes? I got a big announcement for everybody. There's a show that's been around for a long time. Something about finding Bigfoot. They haven't. Not even one ever.

Well, we kind of decided that was a lousy track record. And just for the sake of shit and giggles, we would try and do it ourselves. And instead of having a town hall meeting, we would just all go to some state that we had never done any bigfoot again. We get a whole of our whatever friend we had in that state that happened to be a local bigfooter and get their opinion of where we should go and go there and see if we could find anything. So in order to make it really easy for ourselves, we picked a super bigfooty state, Nebraska. Because like, yeah, you might as well try and find one in the Sahara, right? So luckily I knew somebody there, the remain man from the Knox Gigas project,

who actually has found them in Nebraska repeatedly and went, well, we're all going to be there for one day. can we go to one of your better hot research areas and see if we can find anything? Just to prove a point, mind you. Sure. So by the time everything worked out, we didn't have a whole day. We only got three hours on the ground. But we did successfully find and film a Bigfoot. So the show is called Inevitably Finding Bigfoot.

And after we went back and camped at the Bigfoot Museum, they followed us there. So we got two more of them. But I got to set up kind of like the magnificence. seven if you ever saw that show where it has to have a little intro part showing each one of the heroes of what their skills are before they all team up and they save the village and it's kind of the same thing here show little clips of each one of the people that are teaming up to be the wild man bunch and go find bigfoot in Nebraska and yeah the intro parts are really quite interesting and and then the afterwards of the prologue same thing after everybody went home it's like oh they went home now what are they doing? Well, the same thing. They're walking around the woods, filming Bigfoot all the time.

So we got all the video that they filmed this summer included in the documentary too. But it's called inevitably finding Bigfoot and it will be out very soon. I got a great narrator that's going to be doing voiceover for it and stuff. This is a work of satire and ridicule. And one of my friends is looking at one of the clips

and went, Duke, how many Bigfoot have you gotten this video? And I said, I think there's like 12 in this little shirt clip. But I haven't done the whole thing yet, so I don't know how many of the total is going to be. But keeping in mind, even one. There's one more. One more. Yeah.

That's awesome. We only got about 30 before you even get to the part where you get together and go look for the ones locally. Is this going to end up on your channel? Duke, is that where it's going to be released? Yeah, yeah. We're going to be doing the full theater release next spring at the Nebraska Bigfoot conference on the big screen with the awesome sound. So anybody that wants to see the theater experience. Oh, and the other thing is, I can guarantee this,

it is the greatest spaghetti Western Bigfoot documentary ever done. Because it's the only spaghetti Western Bigfoot documentary ever done. Unfortunately, for them, I found out that Maricone's music is now free to use and die. So yeah, all that great music from those 70s spaghetti westerns, but it's all over the place in my documentary. I love it. Renaissance, man. That's phenomenal. I knew somebody else is going to do this at some point.

You had to beat him to the punch. If you want to do another Spaghetti Western Bigfoot documentary, you've got to compete with this one now. And we're going to do another one next year too. So the punch continues. So Duke, do you tell everybody where they can check out your channel and tune into your shows and whatnot as well?

You can find World Bigfoot Radio on YouTube, Rumble, Odyssey, and BitShoot. I have support group on Newee, the Censorship, Free platform, World Bigfoot Central, or you can go to Montana Bigfoot Project on Facebook, which is where we have all the researchers showing all the stuff that they're finding all in one place and then to get updates on when my show comes out, what's on it. World Bigfoot TV group on Facebook covers that.

But realistically, I'm on every Sunday at 8 Central, so you don't even need a reminder. Just put it on your calendar. Put on your watch. Put in your cell phone. Make an alarm go off. Because you're not going to get notified by YouTube. Uh-uh. They don't like my show.

They're not going to tell you. I love it. If you're out there and you see the squatch or the dog man, it looked like somebody just walked over your grave. Remember? That's right. We started something, remember? Play for Blood.

Don't hug the rookies. That's right. Love it, Duke. Thanks so much for coming on and keep it up. Yeah. You're very welcome. It was fun to be here again. enjoying talking to you guys have me back for the 400th episode yeah we got to see the couple hundred more

hopefully between that we'll get up there a few spaghetti western documentaries under my belt we got that we gotta come we gotta come test the odds too we gotta come see you and see if we hit that set that's 70% fun and there's other stuff here too you know we got megalis and all kinds of weird stuff to look at here got our own fake monster flathead lake there's a monster up there apparently oh bad head don't tell me that don't tell me that yeah I thought it was just kind of a rumor or something and I talked to a few of my local friends and they're like no they set the gin there

several of us have seen something weird and it's big like really really big big no thank you Montana likes to eat redheads Nate so we'll send you we're going to go as long as we go with you the safety of safety and numbers

they got a lot of shirts and stickers right now they have the outline of the state of Montana and it just says get lost I love it All right Duke Well have a good night man Thanks so much too

Good to see you Thanks for Thank you guys Have a great night Thanks Thanks