Blurry Creatures - EP: 208 Cattle Mutilations with Ryan Pitterson

Episode Date: December 7, 2023

Join us on this riveting episode as we delve into the enigmatic world of cattle mutilations with our special guest, Ryan Pitterson. An author and expert in the unexplained, Ryan brings his extensive research and insights into the perplexing phenomenon of cattle mutilations that have baffled investigators and intrigued the curious for decades. Why are they extracting the blood from cattle around the globe? Guest: https://judgmentofthenephilim.com [e-mail] blurrycreatures.com Socials www.instagram.com/blurrycreatures www.facebook.com/blurrycreatures www.twitter.com/blurrycreatures Music Kyle Monroe: www.tinytaperoom.com Aaron Green: https://www.instagram.com/aaronkgreen/ Mastering: Brandon Weaver https://ironwingstudios.com Outro Song: TimeCop1983: www.timecop1983.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Exactly. And God knows this, right? Because again, you go back to Genesis 9, right? Noah gets off the arc and the first prohibition is do not drink blood. That's the first thing God tells no one not to do. Yeah, do not drink blood because the life is therein. So isn't that interesting because he's just coming out of being around how many millions of Natholum giants who are drinking blood, right?

So I think, yeah, they, of course, they have higher science. They have higher mathematics, higher, you know, architecture, all those things. We're just, we're, you know, it's almost like if you think about it, you know, it's like the fourth dimension, right? Each lower dimension is, like you said, you said the echoes, I see it as like a shadow, right? Like our shadow is just a two-dimensional version of ourselves. And I

believe that we, in the realm now, we are the shadow of the supernatural realm. Welcome back to blurry creatures. We're going back. We're going back old school. We're going, you know, we talk a lot about the golden age and we talk a lot about, you know,

sort of this, what happened in the beginning. But then every once in a while, Luke, we've been getting into things like this modern phenomenal weird things like cattle mutilations. We haven't really talked about it. Crop circles, UFO sightings, Bigfoot sightings, all these things that are happening present day. What are the paranormal things that are happening today? A lot of farmers will say that, you know, select number of their cattle go missing and then they'll come back and they'll be drained as if somebody just took them inside, you know, some sort of lab and just suck their blood. out of it and then put it back perfectly and then it's untouched nobody leaves it nobody

nothing's eating on it it's like this crazy phenomenon it's happening all over the place so we've talked to a few guys here and there but we're gonna we're gonna go into depth with ryan peterson today author and researcher and kind of what is he discovered it's great to have ryan you know ryan back he was on episode 18 so we go way back in time machine this will be his fourth appearance ryan's a great a great guy written some amazing books on on the nephalum and You've been a great friend of the show. And as you said, this is a really interesting topic. I mean, this is something that we're seeing in pop culture.

There was, even this year, there was a mass cattle mutilation in Texas. There was an episode on Skin Walker Ranch, which dealt directly with, you know, a cattle mutilation and then the carcass not being touched. So a lot of weird things around very surgical removal of body parts, no blood, and trying to make sense of what's happening here. And Ryan has spoken on this topic. And he's a bunch of research. He's a preeminent researcher.

He being an author and a writer, he does a ton of work looking into stuff. And so we're very excited to have Ryan back in the blurry verse and to talk about, you know, one of those fascinating things that's happening here and now that really doesn't make a lot of sense. You know, law enforcement really can't make heads or tails list because it's so bizarre and yet it seems so meticulous. It doesn't, you know, it doesn't seem like an animal attack. It doesn't seem like unless you have a surgeon with a plasma cutter or a laser or it's out there with a scalpel taking apart an animal in the middle of nowhere, it just doesn't make sense. And I think the crop circle thing is a very good analogy to what we're going to be talking with today because in the same way that some of the things that are created in crops. And we did an episode on that about what's happened in the UK specifically are so intricate and so bizarre and it happened overnight that it's really tough to.

to make a, you know, sort of a conventional conclusion. It happens all over the world. I mean, you have cases in New Zealand, the UK, here in the United States, and in rural areas where people aren't, I mean, you've got to think about this, this is people's livelihood. I mean, if you have land and you have some cows on it, I mean, they're not cheap, they're expensive, and have them go missing, have them get eaten. And you spend all your time and energy trying to protect these things. And then, you know, losing 10, losing 5, 6 cows is thousands of dollars, you know, 10,

grand for these animals. So it's, it's, it's really sad. And it's not like someone's going to be playing a hoax in small town, Texas. You know, it just doesn't make any sense. So let's get Ryan on this one. If you, if you're not a member of the show and you want to support what Luke and I are doing here at blurrycreatures.com slash members, come on down. We got a lot of bonus perks for you to sponsor the show. We got events coming up this next year. And you can get tickets to those early. You can chat with us and hop into some of our exclusive channels like Facebook, Discord, telegram, et cetera. So come on in, right?

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That's a big deal. This is the opposite. All right. Well, let's get into it. Welcome back to the podcast, Ryan Peterson, author, researcher. You're doing a ton of things. Obviously, your judgment of the Nephilim book is sort of how you came onto the scene in the Nephilim and talking about all these weird things.

I like your shirt. Ask me about the Nephilim. Luke and I started a podcast about the Nephilim, and little did we know how crazy it would get. I've got a basement full of Camp Nephilim shirts. We've been shipping merch like crazy for Black Friday and welcome back to the podcast.

I got to get one of those shirts is what I wanted to say. But you've been on this, this is our fourth time back on the show, back on Blurry Creatures. And by now, Luke and I know a little bit a little bit more than we did when we started the show. So, you know, we've talked to everyone in this space just about, and we always enjoy

having people come back on because it feels like developing more of a friendship and a relationship. and we can kind of just have fun, tell some jokes, and just do what we do on Blory Creatures, which Luke and I don't really take ourselves too serious, but I know all the researchers do, and you guys are hard at work all the time, so we appreciate you coming on our show,

giving us a little insight into what you've been discovering, and today we were kicking around the idea of talking about cattle mutilations, and it's this strange thing that happens. So we talked to a few guests off the cuff, David Politis, we talked about elk, how these UFOs are out and taking elk, and like sometimes sort of like a tractor being like sucking them up into the ship and then like and it's just these bizarre stories we hear of like okay if this extraterrestrial phenomenon is going

on this UFO phenomenon is going on what why are they taking animals and then we talked to a cop who who went on to a bunch of calls in Colorado who was showing up and these things are like it's just bones and skin and they're like suck dry and they're just laying there and then a couple times it looked as though they were like embedded into the ground. Is there something dropped them from some crazy height and they're dead but they're on the ground, but there's no like you would think that this thing would be sort of exploded all over the place, but it's not. So some really interesting things. Welcome back to the show. I want to say with Ryan that like one of the things that I know you talked about this

and you actually presented at Prophecy Watchers and with some of our friends, namely Derek Gilbert and Sharon, who, you know, we've got to become pretty. good friends with Derek, but you had fascinating phenomena. And I know that there are a lot of connections. People make a lot of connections with UFOs, not exactly sure. In some ways, we don't really know what's going on, right? I know that a lot of this phenomenon became, is not new, but it really come to light. And I think some of it is Skinwalker Ranch, right? The show Skinwalker Ranch actually has had a few of these things that that happened. And what you get is bizarre stuff like tongues removed, like surgical cuts, like, you know, naughty parts.

I don't know how I was to say this. I think it used to be like you tell your kids, Don't hit dad in the swimsuit area, right? Like that's, yeah. But this is, there's really bizarre things that are happening and there's an absence of blood. And this is not just like on Skinwalker ranch. This is not just in these one-off cases with, with politis or whoever, this is kind of a crazy phenomenon where people, your ranchers especially who are not euphologists or cryptologists, or researchers are having these bizarre mutilations.

in fact, sometimes surgical communications of their livestock. You know, most situations, we can't make really heads of tails of what's going on. That's why I was excited to have you on. We've been tackling some topics, I think, in the last, you know, we were just joking before the pre-roll. You know, I think the last time we had you on was almost 100 episodes ago. And there's a few things that Nate and I've done the last, you know, 20, 30 episodes. We didn't want on crop circles, for example. There's just very specific about some of these weird phenomena that they become somewhat mainstream as far as the awareness of it.

But when you get into the nuts and bolts of what's going on, like there's very few people that have really looked into this and delve into this and done the research. And so grateful to have you on it and really interested to hear your thoughts on this. And perhaps it's connection to the UFO, UAP phenomena and sort of what you've dug up because I know that in your free time, this is what these are the things you're getting into. We were just talking about how you're going to wrap up the corporate world here and really

dive into the things that you love to do. And I'm going to let you go. Ryan Peterson, welcome back to blurry creatures. It's grateful to have you. Your fourth time, the old silver, the old silver sombreros we were saying. I think it was the 80s or 90s. We used to, there was this, I don't remember, we're West Coast kids. So we grew up and I was probably watching the Giants or A's,

but there's an announcer who if you struck out four times, you've got the silver sombrero. In this case, you're not striking out. You're hitting home run. So this is some ways you batten for the cycle because I'm ready to have you back. But enough of these guys, yak and. No, no, it's all good. Good to have you. Yeah, great to be back on, honestly.

And not only is my fourth time for the silver sombrero for the cycle, also, you know, now that you guys, first of all, congratulations on getting over 200 episodes. It's just absolutely amazing. And, man, I was, I was, you know, I always, I was listening to lots of tons of your content, you know, just leading up in the last couple of weeks. I can't believe that I was actually my first episode was episode 18.

Let's go, bro. You are an OG. Oh, yeah. Oh, thank you. There you go. I am flexing my OG status. You capped up and took us for a ride early on. I loved it.

Yeah, yeah. So I'm just honestly, it's mind-blowing. You know, when you see how you can go from 18 to 207, but also just the impact that you guys have had. Because for me, I mean, you talk about conferences, it's, I was really impacted. You know, Dr. Michael Heiser, of course, passed away early this year. You know, I actually didn't know him.

I mean, I knew him out. Everyone else knew him. I never, we never like more at the same conference or event. But it was funny, you know, I was, but I spoke to many authors and speakers, of course, about him. We're emailing, talking, saying how it's so sad to lose him. And then, you know, there was one, I was at a conference and those one speaker said, you know, he said, it's sad. He goes, yeah, it's sad. He said, you know, but another generation has to step in.

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I see where you're going. I was with you. Thank you, Ryan. I thought Nate would get that about people's music out. All right, Ryan. Let's go. Drop it on us here. Yeah, so cattle mutilations, right?

So for me, obviously, you know, when we look, this is a phenomenon. It's been around, you know, really going back to the 1800s. And I've found some articles in journal entries, like in different, I mean, journals in like academic journal entries, you know, in Ireland and in England talking about this phenomenon and attributing it to some supernatural cause. And so for me, you know, I'm always trying to see how does this link to the spirit realm and into scripture? And I think there are two things that we underestimate the impact of, that are in the Bible and also in our

society today in terms of what of the spiritual power behind them and those two things i've been think are music and blood right i think they that we're going to eventually find out in eternity that there's a great spiritual power behind music and certainly the bible tells us over and over about blood and that you know of course in leviticus 17 god says the life is in the blood and i think when we think about the catam mutilations and what's happening here where you see you already mentioned the precision you know I've looked, you know, we just had a case in Texas earlier this year in Madison County where six cattle are mutilated. And like you said, these are just farmers. It's a farming couple. And you and I, you know, they actually show the photos of the, where their reproductive organs are removed from the cow and the blood is being drained from it. And the whole, I mean, they said, and this is the, the farmer's own words. It says it looks like the cattle was cut with a laser. And it just turned out that the husband in this couple.

was actually, in addition to being a farmer, is actually an animal surgeon. So this is someone who's very familiar with cutting open animals, dissecting animals in a proper way. So what's happening here? And so that's so what kind of piqued my interest is this whole idea of, right, we see, of course, you know, once we hit the mosaic law, the importance of blood and blood sacrifice, specifically blood being drained, right? God doesn't just say, okay, just, you know, this very specific instructions on how an animal, a sacrificial animal was to be cut and then have its blood drain to be offered to God. And so is there a power there? I think yes. And even the idea that it has to be animals, right? I think even what the angelic realm, the formal angelic realm was

doing is that right? Animals were used until Christ, until the ultimate sacrifice. I think so God has set this principle that their blood can be used as it was used for thousands of years in the Old Testament. And so I think that's the Angelic Remus's drawing on some power by these mutilations. And again, you can go to Texas. Again, there was, you mentioned Colorado where there was a major investigation in the 70s. And one article I found, a clipping from 1977 was from a local government commissioned investigation in Colorado. And the article actually, you know, where they had dozens of cows cattle mutilate in this fashion sometimes the tongues are removed their eyes are removed always the reproductive organs um and blood draining and even in their report they were

referencing the bible and saying this is connected to bible prophecy so i so i think that's where that there is some type of untapped power that when blood is being used and then you tied in, of course, you know, to Genesis 6 in the days of Noah, the idea of manipulation, reproductive organs and blood. I think that's kind of what got me really kind of excited to look into this even further. Here's a question for you. Like, I know that you just have like a generic Christian background. You kind of think some of the explanations growing up, oh, there had to be like some perfect animal to be a sacrifice. When you say music, too, I think about, there's this deeper meaning to it because what Luke and I have kind of stumbled into is they knew things about harmonics and resonation and sort of what is it? Frequencies. Yeah, it's not just, oh, music gets you moving, gets you going, it can be seductive. And is it just, it's not just like blood is, we just need a sacrifice because that's just how the ancients did it. It seems as there's something even deeper here when it comes to frequencies and music and it comes to blood and the life.

And what do you think that is? Is this like some sort of spiritual law in heaven where blood is like their understanding of it is different than ours? Maybe. Definitely, right? And so I think that, you know, even when God says, you know, to Moses that the blood will be a covering of your sin, right? It's covering your immorality. That's a spiritual concept. Right. So I do think exactly you said that there are laws and principles in heaven regarding blood just like music, right?

And I think there's something to that with vibrations and frequencies. And I think, you know, going back to episode 18, right, with judgment of the Nephlin, where I talk about the first family of the Nephlin, I believe that even the creation of instruments, which came to Lamex family and Janus's 4, you know, Jubal, his son, I think that came from the fallen angels. I think that was given from the Son to God, the knowledge of creating instruments to begin with. And then, like, you go to King David when he was, before he was king, when he was a boy, but was assigned to, to now live with Saul and is a part of his kingdom. And Saul was possessed by a spirit and David played music to remove a spirit. I mean, that to me is the Bible is clearly telling us there is a

supernatural power and property to musical vibrations and frequencies. You know, a spirit left him, left Saul when David played music. So there's something much deeper going on there. I think the same thing applies to the blood. And that's why we see this consistent connection of cattle mutilation, the draining of blood, UFO, alien phenomenon. I think it's all tied back to God's original principle that there's a power, because if you think about it too, and it's funny, too, that you mentioned earlier, the tractor beam, right, the idea that this, you know, lifting things up. Yeah. You know, there's an interesting passage in Judges 13, right? Judges 13 is all about Samson. When the angel comes and tells his parents, you're going to have a son, he's a baby, he's going to have

special powers don't cut his hair, don't want him touch something dead, don't want him drink wine, he gives them all these Nazarite vows to take. First he peers, the angel appears to his mother, and she tells her husband, and he doesn't believe her. And then it shows up again, and they make a sacrifice. But the interesting thing, it's the only time in the Bible where it says the flame came from the altar and went up to heaven. Like normally you see a sacrifice when the temple's being inaugurated by Solomon, the flame God will send a flame down to consume the sacrifice. This went up to heaven for the blood sacrifice and it says the angel went up to heaven in the flame, almost like a tractor being. Like he said, literally says it went up in the flame.

So, so again, I think that that was, I believe the use of the blood caused this supernatural, what I would call an opening, right, of it pierced the veil, right? The blood allowed the veil between the human realm and the spirit realm to be pierced right in front of their eyes. And then, of course, what happens? Manoa, Sam's his death is, oh, yeah, now I definitely believe. Yeah, he's definitely, this is all going to happen, right? Because God, there was a divine manifestation right before their eyes once they put that blood on the altar.

Ryan, I want to point out, too, something that I was thinking is that for us as Christians, right? Christ is that final sacrifice, the land was slain, right? But for Jews that still practice, there is this coming time. when they believe the temple will be rebuilt and they will resume sacrifices. So it this this thing hasn't stopped and also the occult as we know is super super focused on on blood, whether it be things like Jim Kivisel talking about adrenachrome and the harvesting of that, you know, which is of course labeled as conspiracy theory by everyone out there, but there seems to be way too much that going on. And then

also we know that that practices in witchcraft especially are involved animal sacrifice. and the letting of blood. So while this may have stopped for the followers of Christ when Christ was the ultimate and final sacrifice, the principle of this has not, right? Like there are many practices that still believe in the power of spilling, letting, consuming, whatever it be blood in order to, for the Jews, the atonement of sins, in the same way that we see in the mosaic law. And for the occult, it's to, it's part ritual,

for you know to access and we know that also having spoken to enough people that came out of the occult like Nate and so we're interviews with these ex-witches that the blood sacrifices are actually the ones where you level up in power that's where you actually are able to yeah i don't know how to do do more if you stack yeah yeah definitely yeah definitely the black mass right often involves a blood sacrifice a blood ritual you can again going back to leviticus right blood's mentioned a ton in leviticus but there's one pastor of God specifically says, ye drink blood and you worship idols. So God connects that consuming of blood to, again, worshiping the fallen angels, worshiping demonic spirits.

So in the cult side, it's definitely still a big part of witchcraft, of the occult, whether it's Alessda Crowley, or all these rituals where blood is integral. Because again, sadly, a lot of times the occult side of society is more, more in tune with what's really happening in the spirit realm. And they, they, and they're doing these things and using the blood of animals and the forces of the blood of humans because they're trying to again unlock. It has, I believe it has a property that is unlocking, allowing access into the spirit realm. Hmm.

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Actual prices may vary, limited time offer. Do you think that they are drinking the cattle and eating parts of it? Because, I mean, we've heard this, humans do this, right? I mean, there's all these conspiracy theories floating around in the air. they're taking blood, they're taking parts of humans, and they're, they're almost turning them into, like, drugs and consuming these things. Like extraterrestrial beings are doing the same thing. I mean, do we jump ahead a little bit, Ryan, as far as Nate, assuming this is extraterrestrial activity? Because, I mean, I think we're, I mean, where we are, right? I think we've been on a

case of the last, like, I don't know, 60, 70 episodes to say, look, I mean, these are not, like, crop circles are real. Something is making them. It's not. It's not a hoax. They're not, not all of them are hoaxed. And there's something's flying these craft around. I think it's safe to assume that we is, you know, there are government hoaxes and there are deceptions. But what, there's absolutely a phenomenon that's happening here and all these things are

associated with it. So I would, I just, that's where my mind goes right away. I'm not disagreeing. I'm just, like, I don't know if we're jumping ahead on Ryan's research. We're back to the 1800s and we started talking about, you know, as it would, as it would be a surgeon, you know, an animal surgeon that, that ends up having. this on his ranch, right? And so as you dove into all this research and sort of sort of pulling these threads and following these trails, Ryan, what are you finding like? What sort of, you know, similarities

and what sort of, what conclusions are you start drawing? I know that I like where you started because it's like, this is not new. And I think we, Nate and I did this a number of times in UFO stuff, right? This isn't just a, people will say this is a new, the space thing is a new. It's from like the, it's from, since Roswell and you go, no, not really, actually. The Vatican Library, according to a guest of artist, Dr. Diana Pesolka, who had access for her book, American Cosmic, said there's an entire section in the Vatican that chronicles UFO or extraterrestrial or these anomalies for the last thousand years, right? And, you know, and Nate, you also often referenced, and we've done an episode on what happened in Nuremberg. So what I like to, what I like

what you're doing is we're dispelling this is some sort of, you know, modern mythos or modern phenomena, right? When in reality, you know, we can look at our, are sort of modern micro-feesh if you want if you go back right exactly yeah you can you can find it in the 1800s and then you go out you know how long how long has it been happening and yeah so i want to let i want to let you answer that but you know start pulling pulls some of these threats for us and some of the trails you end up you end up going down as you on what's been happening yeah i would say in the earlier times the consistent theme was it was either attributed to kind of what i would call like a mythical creature or they attributed to the devil that's really the common kind of

culprit in these things and so one example on the first side would be like chupacabra right for that which yeah right which means goat sucker right which is known for it's taking the blood of animals right and so that's that's so something so again some society's cultures go out that route and it's tribute that there's a creature that's doing this and then we go more i guess into europe in the 19th century, they're connecting this to essentially the fallen angelic realm. They're going right to Satan and saying that's what they're ascribing it to. And I would just say all the above, right? I mean, because even again with creatures, and I kind of spoke about this at the last conference, I was asked, you have to understand that, you know, a spirit realm being can inhabit an animal, right?

We see that in the gospels, right? We see demons go into pick. So the, idea that a creature could actually be possessed by a demon or a fallen angel. There's a precedent for that in the Bible. So if you see a creature acting in some, and if you look at people who are possessed in the Bible, like the demoniac of the guard or reans, they chain the guy and he's breaking the chain. He is supernaturally strong. There's another account in axe where a guy fight seven, seven men, and they run out of the house naked. So could an animal take on supernatural strength when under a demonic or angelic influence, I think absolutely, right? So I think so that's why I say I say all the above because I think ultimately they're probably

all right in some way that could be a creature is actually doing this or an angelic being appearing, however they're appearing, you know, committing these kind of acts. It would seem though like if it was a creature, right? I think this is what gets so tough with us is that oftentimes, and I don't know, I don't know, you'd be more of an expert having looked into this, but oftentimes what you hear about is you said is that it's what the original sort of original ground zero first one, you know, first doctor talks about it being surgical in nature, almost laser cut. And when we look into some, you get these things and they come across sort of the

the wire here. I think every once in a while you see this. I think there's one in Texas that you referenced earlier that I remember looking at. There was a mass, pretty mass one, like a ton of cattle were mutilated and they were like, they were talking just about how no blood, precision, like surgical, almost and cauterized. That's kind of why I went there because every time we look at what humans do like a cheap version of it,

like for instance, Megalith building, there's the, there's the arc construction and then there's this archaic ancient construction that's just so much better. There's, you know,

obviously humans can do crop circles we can make them. And then there's the ones that they do, right? It's, they're just not, they're night and day. And the crops actually can come back

when they're, but when humans, we destroy things, we break things. We cut things open and you can see there's a human involved there. And then you can see this advanced technology that they possess in all these different rabbit holes that we go down. So that's kind of why I jump there is because you can, some of it is hoaxing. Some of it is government, whatever, but not all of it.

And that is, that's where we're at a lot in the show is like what is this? You like to skip and read the last page of the book, Nate. I know how you know. And I like, and I love tying it to the megalith. structures because it's exactly the same, right? When you talk about the precision of taking these, you know, multi-mechaton stones and cutting them at perfect angles, it's the same exact, probably technology, right? So I think that's a direct link to it. And if you want to go way, way back in terms of this concept, the 80s?

A little earlier than the 80s. We're talking about technology of the 80s. I thought they're going to get into like an N-S ran right there. Set tapes. Yeah, walk me, baby. Let me tape rock to my tape pops. So you look again to ancient, ancient Hebrew, like second temple period, first century,

second century Israel and ancient Hebrew culture, right? They had those whole concept of Lilith or Lilith as this, you know, which who's actually referenced in the Bible, right? This idea of this, you know, in the Bible in the KJV, they call it a screech owl or a night creature and other virgins, but the actual direct translation to Hebrew is Lilith.

And the whole concept, of course, there's now this, the modern understanding of Lilith is the, you know, that she was the original wife of Adam who was then rebelled and left and eventually was kind of a mother of Nephilim actually. So, but in ancient, in Hebrew belief, they believe that this was a demon that would come and consume blood and take blood, especially from children, to the point that women would actually, and they've found these amulets that women would wear to protect them from Lolith, so their children would not lose blood. And even in the Dead Sea Scrolls and a list of, there's some documents that have list of monsters. And Lalith is listed there as well in this reference, I think, in Isaiah chapter 34. So we're

in a reference to a judgment where it says the saders will dance and the judgment of edom at a desolate place where you will find these creatures. It says, and Lilith will be there. So going way back. And actually, you know, if you've seen the, I don't know, people, people don't like this and stuff will do. But if you've watched the Chosen at all, they actually reference, you know, Lilith, Lilith with Mary Magdalene. Oh, really? Oh, interesting. Interesting.

I think some of those things get pulled in. I don't like. I haven't made it that far. Some of them don't like that, like that show, but I think personally, I find it fascinating. It's just an idea that just to put a story around the story. Anyway. Interesting. Yeah.

Lilith is having a pop culture resurgence. So, you know, my other talk at the Prophecy Watch was on all the pop culture references to Genesis 6 and shows and movies and all those things. And it's my latest documentary. And I have a whole section about Lilith because there are so many shows that. mentioned Lilith. I didn't know the chosen though, so that's good to know, but comics, I think it was a supernatural has a Lilith character. The Sabrina, the Netflix, Sabrina the Teenage Witch Show has a Lilith on it, the show Lucifer on Netflix. There's also a show about a young woman who receives a heart transplant from a couple whose daughter died in a car

accident and she starts seeing what things the daughter saw and you think it's going to be one of those kind of paranormal shows where she's going to see he's going to see memories that this other young woman had and she's living it through her heart but what it turns out in the end is that the parents actually belong to a cult and they were preparing their daughter to be possessed by Lilith in this ritual and so now they're doing it with the woman who received the transplant so Wow. Nothing's new into the sun, Ryan. Exactly. The old stories. They go down on the old roads.

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Just steps from the water. The Hilton sale is on now. book on hilton.com or the hilton app and save up to 20% to get the stay you expected when you want savings not surprises it matters where you stay hilton for this day so if we assume that like you know and this is one of the arguments we make we make a lot when people a lot of people in our channels get mad at us when we talk about specifics right we're always going for the data right so when david elit elitis came on and said look UFOs are not only out in the middle and no one nowhere, but they're taking elk with them, right? And there is something about elk hunters going, disappearing as well with in these UFOs. And his whole thing is like, like, here's all the data, here's all the science. These people are just up and vanishing. They're going from our realm to somewhere else. And I think a lot of Christians, it disrupts their sort of their core. They don't know how to make sense of these things. But where we are on the show, it's like, clearly it's not animals. It's not

humans it's it's something is taking these people and someone is taking these animals why are they taking animals you think are they trying to create hybrids again are they are they trying to mess with our food supply what are they doing you think yeah i lean much more towards the hybrid hybridization program right that took place in the days of noah right and and you know and i certainly believe that in genesis six when it talks that when god's is all fleshed the beast that animals that they were mingling DNA genetic. They were doing genetic experimentation on animals, right? And I think that, again, going back to Isaiah 34, where it mentions Lilith in that verse, it mentions the Seder, right, which is a hybrid being, a half animal, half human being. And so I think

that's what was taking place. So the two sort of benefits of abducting an animal, are you, one, you have the blood and whatever they know they can do to, again, leverage the supernatural properties of it but you also have the reproductive organs which again i believe that they they are trying to bring back right bring back the days of no it to remove the veil all together they bring back the days when the angels were the gods and they were producing their own hybrid kingdom and so you know and of course this is going right back to scripture in matthew four as it was in the days of no we know without beyond a shadow of a doubt jesus is going to we're going to return to that error so all these things to me are just the preparation and precursors to it actually taking place.

We know a lot of the stuff is happening underground too. They're taking things down underground and they're messing around with it down there as well. Do you think that there is some sort of law where they can't necessarily do it on the surface of the earth or something, but they, so they take it up into craft or whatever and so they can get away with whatever they're doing because it seems to be a hidden thing that's going on. It's not out in the open like it may have been in the days of Noah. I mean, I don't know what kind of labs they had back then or how they were making their chimeras, but it seems as though it's behind this. I think it's done it the old, just old fashioned way. I don't think about that too much. Yeah. Yeah. What does that mean?

What does that even? We'll leave it there. We'll leave it there. I think that's an interesting question too, and I think it's something we ponder, right? The idea that, you know, we know that God, when he was sent the flood in order to cleanse the earth, he made a promise that he would never destroy the earth by water again. And we also know that they're like, you know, as we talked about in our first couple episodes with you, Ryan, that the manner by which the, you know, the giants returned, we know they did return. We have, you know, Goliath and his four brothers. There are giants in the land that Joshua and the conquest of Joshua.

requires them to vanquish for for yahweh and the dictate of you know him using israel as his judgment is his instrument of judgment and we know they they were there again doesn't really tell us again how it happened it wasn't just it wasn't explicit as much as it was in gen 6 when the the watchers took wives and so i think that's interesting idea right and something we've kicked around is is are they sort of doing this off of off the ground or per personal legality. I know that you have quite a, you have a background and do it in some law stuff. And we know that we also know that the supernatural spiritual realm, whatever vernacular you want to use for that, operates very legally. You know, we talked about Dr. Michael Heiser in the

in our pre-roll and one of the things fascinating, you know, fascinating things that he brought to light and he was the first person to say that he didn't have any original ideas, that he just compiled, he was a researcher who compiled information. But, you know, his, his big office. aha with Psalm 82 and this idea of divine counsel. And then we look at things like Job and these different settings, which are definitely courtroom-esque, right? And so one of the things we sort of unpacked and uncovered in the show is this, the legality.

And we talked to Exorcists too, and they know this very well, that there is very much a legality of this. And so there's interesting ideas around, you know, why things happen and if it's about legalities, perhaps. But yeah, curious on your thoughts on that. And then a follow up to that, Ryan, is my question is, Why do you think cattle of all things? Like there's a lot of, maybe there are a lot of things disappearing.

And maybe it's just because there's such large animals. And there's so many of them, we tend to have the attention to be sort of the optics. But anyway, that's a twofold question. That's a lot. Yeah, no worries. It's all good. These are great questions. So the legality part of it, yes.

So much of, you know, when you think about even basic concepts that every Christian can agree on, right, of like the redemption that Christ served as a rant. something. He's a substitutionary atonement. He's paying, you know, all these ideas. He's paying our debt, right? These are all legal concepts. So I agree. I think that in the supernatural realm, the angels are under very strict regulation. And when they can actually reveal, engage, come into our realm and do things, it's all regulated by God. You already gave the example of Job, where obviously Satan was limited in what he could do at first. And then God gave him a little bit more leeway to actually directly harm Job's body, but not kill him. Right. So I think all that is very regulated. And that's why they can't reveal themselves, right? Even Jesus, when he spoke to demons said, don't tell

anyone who I am. He was even regulating them on earth. And they're like, you're the Christ, you are the son of God. I know exactly who you are. He says, don't tell anyone. And so what they can are permitted to reveal to our eyes and to our realm, I think is very regulated. that's why these things are being done off planets, right? You know, or on board a ship or vessel because it is God's regulation and legality. And that's always what it's, that's always what people describe. It's like they go up in some sort of medical, you know, like room and they're being

experiment on some somebody to see multiple people up there. Sometimes pregnancies go missing. I mean, it's very much like a science, a science lab in the sky or whatever they are. Except it's not McDreamy. It's, it's, uh, Somebody else. Somebody else is operating. You definitely not me dreamy or make steamy.

And here's something else. I think might tie into this is that this face peeler phenomenon that's going on, these faces are being taken off of people in places like Peru. And it seems like it's around the glands. It's around the neck, the face. You know, I think, you know, we know that the nephalum are eating human beings. And we know that. they drink the blood to stay young in a lot of these places.

And they put certain things to stay young. And they use the huge humans. You know, it's like the matrix. Humans are the, or the, we're farmed almost. And they, that's why they're so obsessed with children and young blood,

little kids and this and that. They, they use them in every way they possibly can. They're, they're, it's disgusting, but, but we know it's true.

And so I think part of me thinks like, Ryan, what we've learned is the kingdom of heaven echoes. the kingdom of earth. So some of the things that we get involved in here, we get it from somewhere else. So if they're messing with humans the same way that we're messing with humans, it's like everyone's doing the same thing. It's just theirs is a much more advanced project or prototype of what we do. Exactly. And God knows this, right? Because again, you go back to Genesis 9, right? No, it gets off the arc. And the first prohibition is do not drink blood. Right? That's the first thing God does no and not

to do yet do not drink blood because the life is therein so so isn't that interesting because he's just coming out of looking around how many millions of nephelin giants who are drinking blood right so i think yeah they they have higher science they have higher mathematics higher you know architecture all those things right we're just we're you know it's almost like if you think about it you know it's like the four the fourth dimension right each lower dimension is it like you said you said the echoes i see it's like a shadow, right? Like our shadow is just a two-dimensional version of ourselves. And I believe that we in the realm now, we are the shadow of the supernatural realm, right? We're because they're one extra dimension beyond us. So we're just doing a lower level of those things. Right. And so,

and of course, God told Moses that, right? Everything is the tabernacle in the temple, of course, says, are, you know, they are based on what he saw in heaven. Right. And so, so yeah, So I think when we look at what they're trying to do on that order in terms of like this surgery with precision in the sky, taking reproductive organs or an abduction phenomenon, all those things, it's a higher level of CRISPR, of all the things that we see in transhumanism and the life extension movement to genetically manipulate to make a superhuman or make an immoral human. and of course ties in again with prophecy, you know, in Daniel 2 and says they shall mingle themselves in the final kingdom says they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men. So we know again that I believe this is all an anticipation when God says, now you're permitted to do it. Because God is going to permit this thing to have.

He is going to permit it. He is going to say, now you can appear before them. You can now openly appear, right? The days of Noah were these beings, the gods on earth walking around, marrying women, fighting, destroying people, consuming blood. And so it's going to happen again in the Great Tribulation. This is just their preparation in trying to get as close as possible to that. And to the point that God says, now you're permitted to do it and they go,

just like we see when Satan goes and causes wreaks havoc in Job's life, the minute God says you can do it. What do you, when it says the life is in the blood, like what do you think it really is in the blood? We interviewed one, our friend Trent, who, who, had some wild stories who kind of was a contracted by the government to go down to the dums and communicate

with some of these extraterrestrial beings. And one of them said to him, blood is congealed light. You remember that? Luke. He said a lot of crazy things. Blood is... I didn't know what to make of that. Like, congealed light. What does that even mean? You know, like, is there

something in our blood that is beyond just the typical scientific explanation of plasma, and red cells and is there something some sort of spiritual force in human blood i guess yeah i think it's the breath of life right i mean god formed adam he made his body and he breathed into him and then he said he became a living soul and our blood carries the breath right carries oxygen so i think that that is the supernatural property right it's passed down to every person has the breath of life

in them. And that is what is accessing and penetrating the veil into the supernatural realm. I believe it's that God has, we all carry that breath of life in us. I think it's in the blood. And so when God says the life is in the blood, because he breathed that life into our original father. Do you believe that our blood changed maybe perhaps at the fall in the garden? Definitely. Yes. Yes. And, you know, so we have a, we have a just like our image, right, where the image was corrupted or we were, we became corrupted in in the sin in the fall. But we still have, I believe that breath, Job references that, right? In the book of Job, he references it. Just like it says that Seth, Adam's son was made in his own image. So it's a lesser sinful image, right? But we inherit it. Right. And if you think about it too, again, so much in the. this in scripture goes back to genetics. I mean, the Bible is basically a book of a genetic trail, right? The Old Testament is just a genetic trail from Adam to Jesus to Messiah. So, and I talk about even the idea that the sin nature, right, is itself is inherited, right? And this,

you know, the fact it says, in Adam all die, like how is that possible? How is it possible that we die because of Adam? Because we literally, in our body, in our genetics, in our blood, you have inherited our nature, our spiritual nature from him. Right. And so I think that's how it crosses over. That's how blood crosses over that it has a spiritual potential. And then you think about it, right? It takes the perfect blood of Christ to save our spirit.

Right. Again, it's like, why is the blood so important, the blood of Christ? Because there's a supernatural power and in his blood because it's obviously untainted by sin. And so that's what restores us back to eternal life. So I mean, the idea too that you think, right that and it's just this just came into my mind i should have said this in norman but it just came to my mind now if you think about the idea that one that the literally that the shedding the blood of jesus gives you immortality right that's a powerful concept so you know to think that that's

there's that much power in blood if the angelic realm has any inkling of that knowledge why would they why wouldn't you be trying to do whatever you can to unlock whatever power you can and from whether it's a human's blood and a cow's blood and you know whatever it might be so um and as far as cattle why cattle i didn't finish this like you're ryan look at you're a pro you're a pro's pro you're a pros pro you're a pros pro um i did really like try to get into that because you know in the lividic because they mention all sorts of animals right there's pigeons turtle doves lamb there is cattle um the only thing i could really um find outside the fact that cows have a lot of blood They also interestingly have the intestines, they say, of cows can have like more food than the average animal, like the average large animal.

They have tons of food in their intestines because obviously they have multiple stomachs. And so I just bring that up because when you talk about the fact that the bodies of these mutilated cows and cattle aren't mold, they said like they are like prime targets for any scavenger animals. Because they have so much food inside their intestines. Yet when we see these cattle mutilations, usually their stomachs are completely untouched. They're not bitten. They're not not not not open. Some animals haven't bored their way in there. It's just the reproductive organs and the tongue and their eyes and other parts.

But the only thing I could find was there is a warning to Israel. God says that he will send evil beasts against their cattle. That's actually a judgment that God promised Israel would happen if they were in sin. That was the only thing I could really find a specified cattle as being a target of these evil, I'm sorry, wild beast, wild beasts. And so, and again, wild beasts, when you go back to Isaiah 34, are using the same passage that talks about Lilith, that talks about Sators. It also mentions wild beasts. So I kind of said, is there some connection here between God saying, I'm going to send, not wild animals, but beast as in like the supernatural beasts to come and judge your,

to come destroy your cattle as a as a divine judgment. Brian, I was, I was looking up when we were talking about, and just because I was thinking maybe it's just has to do with saturation, right, or the number of cattle, 92.1 million cattle in the United States. We're just about 30 million or beef cattle. So we got a lot of stakes out there sitting around. But what I think is fascinating, and I want to ask you about this was this is something the Skinwalker Ranch show, right? This is season one, episode seven, this cow ends up dying.

And I wonder how prevalent this is, but I've heard this, not this is not an isolated incident where these things are killed and then they aren't fed on by scavengers. They aren't touched. They, the normal things, the flies, the insects, the bigger scavengers, so the vultures, the ravens, the crows, and even things like, you know, coyotes and the animals, sort of as you go down sort of the hierarchy or up the hierarchy is the way I'm going right now. They don't touch it. So something very bizarre happens to, you know, a lot of these, or at least a few or a lot. I don't know.

You're not supposed to ask you, these mutilations where the animal kingdom, as it would, knows something they don't touch it. It's something very, very odd and strange has happened to mutilated, killed animal. They even say that some of these like areas where the UFO touchdown, nothing will grow there either. There's something strange. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And too.

And if you think, too, right, this idea. of going back to Nate what you were saying about, you know, the rules in heaven echoing here, right? You have, again, like with Samson, we mentioned Samson earlier, so that he should not touch anything that's dead, right? So could that be a lower level of if there's something that's going through a ritual death that in the supernatural realm, they know don't touch it again once it's, you know, organs have been removed? I don't know. But it seems like potential for that, that there's something in that ritual, surgery and organ removal and blood draining that it's so strong that the animal kingdom knows. That's what I was saying because a cow has so much potential food for a scavenger. In its intestines, yet they won't go anywhere near.

There's a lot of good beef there, too, you know, if you're going to. Absolutely. I think the other thing I was curious is, because, you know, we talked about both your books. And in the final Nephilim, you get in to a lot of biblical prophecy and what's to come, right? We talk about the golden age, what happened then and up to the flood and then sort of looking forward as well, right? The things that were then never really stopped, they just sort of changed. It's like they got new marketing, right? And sort of play by new rules in some way or different rules, if you will.

Being really a student of eschatology in ancient Hebrew and the scripture, when you tie these together with this sort of phenomenon, is going on. And as we tie it to the UFO phenomena and the angelic realm. And I think we're implying and that's where Nate and I are as well, the lot of what we believe that a lot of this, the UAP, UFO phenomenon has to do with the angelic race or the whatever a quarter of vernacular you want to use around that, fallen angels and the other, perhaps other supernatural, maybe not spiritual, because there's a lot of physicality with supernatural beings that exist in that realm, and operating in our realm, right? But it's kind of from an eschatology standpoint. What is your, what are your thoughts? Do you think there is it tied to some of the things?

What do you think they're doing with a lot of the harvesting of blood, body parts, DNA, et cetera? What do you think they're doing with a lot of this? And what do you think the endgame is? Is this a Joel 2 Army thing? Is this a what is your best? Yeah. So I connect this to a couple of things. So one, I definitely think that, again, we're going to see an attempt to bring the Nephilim

back in the end times. Right. I think once the angels are manifesting. So I think that's a lot of it is trying to manipulate in before, you know, in the meantime, trying to get that. to get that done. But the ultimate, you know, when we talk about this idea of, of the blood is, is going to be, I think, with the Antichrist and with the Mark of the Beast. Because I do think the Mark of the Beast is beyond having an economic component is going to have a genetic component.

And, you know, everything, I mean, it's like, I mean, you know, it's, I mean, it's like straight out of, you know, science fiction. Right. Antichrist is holding himself up as the mirror image, the satanic mirror image of Christ, right? We talked about the fact that the blood of Christ saves us. And I think that ultimately what's going to happen is what's going to win the world over to the Antichrist is when he suffers a mortal wound and is healed. He's going to die and come back to life before everyone's eyes. They're going to see this. And that's what that's when we see in Revelation 13 forward and says, who is like the beast? Who can make war with him? That's not like, okay, this guy, this is it. He's God. He is.

the Messiah, no one can touch him. And I think that's the point where you can say, okay, well, if you take on my blood, you can be like me. You can overcome death like I can. And so the ultimate end game is to get the blood of the Antichrist into humanity. And so we're back to opposite, right? Christ is giving you blood for eternal life. The Antichrist is giving you blood for eternal damnation. And we see that in Revelation 14 where it says, if you take this mark, there is no turning back. There is no forgiveness, right? What would make God say something like that? Send an angel flying around the earth announcing this vocally, visually, you can see this angels telling the whole earth, don't do this, don't do this. Why? Why that particular sin? Because I think it's actually going back

to Genesis 6 where it's corrupting you, again, putting that spirit from the blood into making you something other than human, something other than the image bearer of God and therefore just to qualify from salvation. So I think that's, that's to me, the ultimate. endgame of this whole blood genetic race, arms race we're in right now with the fallen realm. Yeah. I mean, it makes a lot of sense. And I think a lot of people, whether your views on Revelation are different. I mean, we have a very, a much bigger audience now with various views on these things.

But I think the reason I always sort of come back to your view is because we can see these themes repeating so many times. And a lot of people just have this hopeful thing. Like, everything's just going to get better one day. And I'm like, well, I mean, if you look at the data of what they're doing behind the scenes, that's really hard for a lot of Christians because they don't want to adopt more of end times theology because they're, I think it makes them feel like I don't have any hope. I'm sad. This is depressing. This already happened or whatever. Their conclusion, but I, but I think Luke and I'm always trying to bang the drum of like, look, these weird phenomena are happening. And they've been happening since the dawn of time. So how it's going to

play out, who knows. But the themes are probably going to be the same because we've seen, like you said, the genetic part of the deception over and over and over again. And this cattle mutilation thing is crazy because just like we've heard people getting dumped out of craft, you know, let's say someone comes in and does play a hoax, well, how is this thing like falling out of the sky and almost embedded into the ground? You know, we've heard stories of people. getting dumped out of these. When people get this, Ryan, who have had a vasectomy will get dumped out of UFOs. It's like someone already tampered with these dudes. So they just drop them out of the they're no good. They're shooting blanks. Yeah. He's got nothing for it. Empty gun. And David

Politis, David Politis said on her show, this is why shoes and clothing are folded nicely in the middle of nowhere. They don't want anything contaminating their ships. They don't want clothes in there. They don't want shoes in there. They don't want, so these items that people are wearing are just kind of scattered around in random places. So we're trying to piece all these clues together and say, not only is the spiritual realm a physical thing.

It is. Yeah. And I think a lot of Christians have this just different view of it. It's not a physical thing. It's all deceptions. And I think we're just going through the data and trying to piece it all together of like, okay, it's more than, it's more than a spiritual deception. We haven't even mentioned the fact that you have numerous governments since you and I, the three of us have last spoken, have not come out with their own disclosure.

So, I mean, there's so many government. I mean, we're on, I mean, I wouldn't even say one of the brink of disclosure. I mean, governments are just you have government officials left and right are saying, yes, these beings are real. We have UFOs. We have biological evidence. The Mexicans have a mummy, a little mummy. If you saw that thing. Right.

Wow. It's just, I mean, who does it real. Israel's government. I mean, it's all over. I mean, so yes. So it's, I think what I'm trying to say is it's as intricate as if they're building iPhones in the sky. Obviously, humans build iPhones. They're building something even more advanced, but we're discovering this sort of factory where they're building things.

It's that advanced. Or doing experience light years beyond our understanding. And it's very specific experiments. It's not just tinkering around, taking an elk here or there. it's something really advances going on, you know? Yeah, you know, one of the things that I'm researching right now, because I'm looking, as I mentioned in the pre-roll, you know, I'm researching now the original satanic rebellion before Adam and Eve.

And I'm looking into this concept of man being made in the image of God. Let us make man in our image as in, and I'm taking that as in this time, we're going to make this creation in our image. So I don't believe the angels were made in God's image. And so it may be even in that. And this just came to me. So I'll make sure I give you guys a footnote in my book. Is that maybe part of the intense research into our DNA reproductions to see if they can get that, put that property of being made in God's image into their own genetics or into a host body that has that feeling.

because I believe that's what I believe separates us from the fact that the angels are more powerful. They're older, obviously, than us. But I think that distinction that God made is another that separates us from them. And maybe that's part of what they're trying to research and or harvest for themselves. Maybe they're trying to backdoor salvation that way. Yeah. Salvation or that spirit, that breath of God, right? That breath of life of that, however, what God did that makes us in his image. So, yeah. I think that's interesting, that's a really interesting point. I mean, I think, because one of the things, Nate, that we, you know, we've talked about, you know, what Tim Alborana wrote his book about was the idea that, you know, we have a birthright as humans, the sons of Adam, right?

They allow us to rule here. And part of what, part of what was happening with Genesis 6 was that the progeny of the watchers, the sons of the watchers were human enough to rule to sit on the throne. And they could by the legalities of the, of the, of the, of the, of the watchers were. of the law of the ways of God set of earth, right? And so I wonder if that's also not a way, right, to essentially to pull so enough humanity that you can by right, then rule. Because one of the interesting things Tim said, and I stuck with me was that when they talked about, you know, who said on the, they talked about the, you know, the throne of Satan and that being the, at the time it was the throne of the emperor of Rome, right, of the world, right? the realm was a known world, but Satan did not sit on the throne. The emperor did.

He was human, right? And there's a very interesting concept there about just, and I think it falls at a line we've talked about the way that laws and precepts and legalities rule the heavenlies. And honestly, what we have here is, I like the way you put as a shadow, right? Like we, you know, the kingdom of heaven is a kingdom, and we have kingdoms here. And, you know, and a lot of the things that we talk about ancient, ancient megaliths, we've talked about heaven and there being walls and roads and these things that we hear about heaven. And that being, in some ways, you could even say a more advanced civilization, right? This, it's way ahead of us.

And yet, and we are sort of a shadow of that. But we have laws and we have a lot of the same things that I believe that God set forth in heaven. And I know that God gave a lot of laws to us because we, you know, we needed them. We need to draw lines in the sand, and we as humans couldn't get out of our own way. And I understand that's part of it as well. But I think it's fascinating in the same way to think that it generally thought about the way you put that, though, that perhaps they're trying to backdoor engineer humanity for the homage Odeo for the image. Exactly.

And in that becomes authority and also salvation, right? Which is, these are two very, whatever I did there made a middle bubble. We'll do it again. You open the portal. You know, I think Tim is right. I think he's totally right with the birthright concept, which is an amazing concept. And I think he hit the nail on the head. And I think what I connected to again with the Antichrist, I think, you know,

it's in some ways, at least for me personally, it's really astounding to me that Satan goes through thousands, literally thousands of years of history, warring, warring, scheming, plotting and when he gets to the penultimate episode right in his whole attempt to thwart god and he now we're in the great tribulation again he doesn't sit on the throne right he puts the antichrist on the throne he gives the antichrist's power the hybrid and no no quote says and great authority hybrid son he sees it all and i think that's why the antichrist has to be an epilome he has to be part human for that reason because he has to have human genetics to legally have have a legal to sit on the throne of the world.

Exactly. Dude, let's go. I love, I do. I mean, I think, though, right? I mean, this is what, and maybe it harkens back to what you talked about in the beginning, and is that there's, these things are such great pieces to understanding and unlocking the scriptures and even unlocking what's happening around us. And in this case, we're talking about cattle mutilations and connections to UFOs and connections

to, you know, to our faith and to eschatology and even to, you know, ancient, ancient biblical history. and these things make things make sense. You go, why, you know, why not just saying showing up? Why does you not just do X, Y, Z or why? And you go, wow, because God has set things in motion and they are eternal and concrete. And you can't, they're unchanging, right? And so within that, you know, even the darkness is trying to legally, you know, find its way to, to sort of catch, I don't know who was on the show.

It could have even made. It said that, like, the dark doesn't think they can win. They just, they want to catch God on a technicality, right? And sort of, sort of forever delay the inevitable. And yet we see that's what it is, right? The watchers took wives to have sons because they themselves couldn't, you know, couldn't rule. They had to have rule by proxy.

And, right. And I think, I think the cattle news thing is fascinating because, you know, because I don't, I feel like the more that we talk about, the more things make sense, but then you still are like, I don't know, I don't know. Like our other animals going, going missing. Like, I know people are in some return, right? At least we know, that's the other thing that's really wild to think about, right? Yeah.

Well, I was going to say, Ryan, one thought that I had when you were talking about Job and your previous just rant there was, you know, a lot of times I think that human beings if some of these entities are real, the fact that we are still able to live here, pretty much untouched by these other realms for now, is these laws, is these rules? Because if this stuff exists and it comes and goes and does what it wants, yet it really can't mess with us to a certain degree. There's some legality issue of why everyone isn't just,

you know, because a lot of these ancient alien types and these other groups who think all this stuff is real, I'm like, well, what's keeping them at bay? What laws are they observing? Because they are observing laws. Whose laws? Yeah. Because why are we even still here if they can just do all these things?

Exactly. And it's all the laws and regulations. And you think about it too, part of it, I think God is holding a trial, right? Why is Satan even allowed to go to heaven? Like, what's going on with that? Why is Satan allowed to actually still go to heaven and stand before God's throne and just speak to him? and bargain and negotiate because I think God is showing I'm going to put my way on trial and the devil's way in trial. I'm going to prove my case to the angelic realm, right?

Because we're told the New Testament says that our salvation is something that angels look into. They want to know what's going on. So I believe God is demonstrating by using humanity to show, I'm going to show that my way in the end was always right. And I'm going to make this whole new creation that doesn't have any advantages you have. They can't see me. They're not in heaven. They don't have the powers you have. They don't have the wisdom you have.

And despite all of that, they're still going to grope through the darkness and come find me and choose me. And so I think a lot of this goes back to what's ultimately happening and showing that no matter what Satan will always just do evil and destroy things. So that's all that's holding it back is God's legality. Because all you have to do is look to the sixth trumpet, right? When you have this, I believe, angelic army, so many people think it's China or something of that nature. I think it's a supernatural army. And it wipes out a third of the population just in one sentence.

Because that's the damage. That's the power that these beings have. That's the damage they can inflict. So God's holding it all back. And that's why they haven't struck it. Because it's all God's legality as he works through this process to redeem us. and prove his way, I believe, to the angelic realm. I love it.

I love it. I think it's important because I think we are in a time when mass conformity is a very easy thing. And people need to understand that, you know, what the image that you were created in is something that they're always after. And we have to be mindful of our image and mindful of the way that God created us, especially with crazy sciops abound and more and more propaganda is being pumped down our throats about everything.

taking a stand and saying, you know, this isn't, I'm not going to, I'm not going to get in line all the time for all these agendas. And I think that obviously that can open up another can of worms. And you did tease talking about Samson, which I've been wanting to talk about for three years on this show. What is going on there? And you just got to drop those little nuggets and then like, let's keep going. Let's talk about something else. I'm like, dang, I would talk about that. Luke wants to talk about Samson's hair. So bad, Ryan. You don't even know. You know, it's biblical that great lettuce, with great lettuce comes great, great strength. It's not a hard and fast law.

We're talking about legalities, but there is precedent. I mean, what was that hair like? I mean, it's interesting, though, that he couldn't touch a dead animal. I really didn't think, I didn't think about that, you know. Sounds like another episode. It's like, we could do a great episode on. I'm saying we're going to put that. I think I have some theories that people have not heard before on this.

We're lining up. So this is a preview, everyone. At some point, we are going to line up with this Ryan. And Ryan, on that note, you've kind of, we pre-roll, you tease this a little bit. But I always want to, you know, always like to share with people what you've got going on what you're working on. And I know you're heading to a heavy research phase here, but you are working on a book on the preademic idea. And I'm going to leave it there and let you talk about it because I think this will be a good teaser people because as I said in our before we started the episode of our conversations, it's something that's very fascinating to me personally. And I'm very excited to have an episode on at some point because there's so many questions that come up, I think, you know, on our channels in different places, even in this space and even in the church space about, you know, what was happening then, you know, King gets kicked out and they've got to put a mark on them so he doesn't get killed and there's cities and all these things.

And, you know, there's a lot of explanations for that, and people are comfortable with a lot of that in it being just time or whatever else, right? But there's a lot of interesting wording in the Bible that points to, and then also just sort of in our geological history and everything else as you look around that perhaps there was more there. The Bible just didn't, you know, Bible just didn't, doesn't touch on necessarily or just doesn't touch on heavily. And so again, I wasn't let you talk about, but I'm, we just want to let you share with what kind of things you're working on and, uh, things you're doing. And I know you're doing, you do a lot of close up online as well with, um, you know, theology live streams and all in all the above. But, yeah, it's all coming back. I'm coming. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm grinding this month and I'm going to come really with a lot of new content in, uh, January. So I'm excited. So yes, the book on on the preodemic world is it's just that. Right. So what I like to do is when I think of the biggest, and this is the blessing of God, right, because I grew up in my adult life living in the city, in New York City with lots of people who, who are very intelligent people who wanted to have spirited debates about the Bible, who do not believe the Bible.

And when I look at the biggest obstacles for so many people were the flood, the wars in Canaan, and the age of the earth, right? Where people say, how, there's no way. look at the geological record look at the fact that if a star is 20,000 light years away when we see it that means that light has traveled for 20,000 years to reach us if we're looking at a star, right? There are many scientific things that are right in front of our eyes, and that's been a big stumbling block for many people, and I don't believe the Bible teaches a young earth model. And so that's one big motivation, right? I want to knock down every big, the biggest

obstacles that people have to say, I won't believe the Bible. I won't even give it a look. Are you saying the earth has gray hairs in his beard? Absolutely. It's absolutely what I'm saying, yeah. I wish I could grow a beard. It's not too old, but it's not too young. So I'm definitely don't, I don't ascribe to a young earth model. And the Bible never says the age of the earth, right?

And so basically it's focusing on in between Genesis 1 and Genesis 2. It's possible to have both, right? You could have young creation and an old earth. Oh, absolutely. Humanity, certainly, I believe, is, you know, roughly. six to seven thousand years on earth however the earth and the original habits of the earth predate that and that's what i'm going to talk about that's what that's what you want to get in exactly and the original satanic rebellion and of course we look at that is that big foot oh boy is that big for let him talk

about his book let him talk about his book right sorry i believe that the angels were on earth first right and that's where the original satanic rebellion happened and that's how satan we talk about birthright and dominion originally had the dominion over earth before it was given to Adam. And that whole history, why does Satan just show up evil, right? In Genesis 3, he's already bad. He's already bad. He's already tempting Eve. He's already.

And of course, we can look to patches like Ezekiel 28 where it talks about Satan in this righteous time role serving God in the Garden of Eden, right? Waring the jewels that says every precious jewels like covering the Sarias, topaz, carbuncle, nine jewels, there was nine of the 12 that Aaron wore. as the high priest on his breastplate, right? So he was serving in this priestly role. So it gets into all those things and really explains it and the importance in the scripture.

And also, of course, I get into the history that this was again, like the Nephilim, the common understanding, certainly in the ancient Hebrew world, absolutely. But even in the ancient church, the first and second century church, that was the common understanding that there was this, what's known as the Gap Theory or Ruin and Reconstruction

where the angelic rebellion happened. And when we see Genesis 2, I mean, Genesis 1, verse 2, and the earth is covered in water and says dark and silver with the face of the deep, that was the first flood. That was the first flood judgment that God put on the earth. And I even just looking at some of the comparisons between Genesis 1, 2 and Genesis 6, there are so many similarities, right? Obviously, you have a flood. It says that, you know, you have, this is the Spirit of God went over the waters. the Holy Spirit was going over the waters from the, that came from the deep, right? That's where the floodwaters came from.

They came from the deep in the windows of heaven in Noah's day. You have the Holy Spirit over the waters. Then God says, let there be light. Noah knew to get off the ark because he let a dove out flying, hovering over the waters. And that's when he knew now he can come into this new earth because the dove came back. So you have a saying involving fruit, right? Adam partakes of the fruit that was forbidden. Noah drinks fruits of the vine, gets drunk.

can get caught up in the tent with Canaan, right? So you have animals supernaturally obeying God. God sends the animals to Adam to name all the animals. He sends all the animals to know what to get on the ark. Right. So there's lots and lots of parallels. I think the Bible's telling us, again, it's a repetition. The earth was judged in Genesis 1 and God is renovated. Look at you, Ryan. Look at you, Ryan Peterson. Look at you. I love this. I can't wait to read this.

Nate might actually. Nate's a big coloring book guy, but we might actually get him to read a book this time, you know? Well, I'm doing children's books, too. So I got that coming out too next year. I love it, man. I'm doing a children's book series. Yeah. Yeah, but lots of stuff coming out.

So I'm doing that. I'm doing a children's book series, Bible stories, Bible series. I'm very happy to announce that this is my first time announcing this. that for all of my Spanish speaking followers and subscribers and readers, I've been asked so many times the Spanish version of Judgment of the Nephilim is coming out as well. It's actually done. I was getting a formatted. So there's been a big, I've got many, many requests over the years for that. So yeah, so that's coming out. Oh, yeah, I'm also doing judgment of the Nephlam in a graphic novel format. Let's go. Sweet. Disney, man. I was a youth leader in New York for 10 years.

So kids and teens have always been a passion of mine before I ever had kids. And I just told my wife, who's kind of like my creative part, I'm like, you know, I got to do something. You know, my content, as you guys know, is a little heavy for a child to read. So I'm like, I got to do something that's going to target teens that a teenager would read that I would read if I was a teen. I loved graphic novels. I was a huge comic book fan. I read, I had hundreds and hundreds of comics. So I want to take the days of know all the fallings.

I want to put it all in a graphic novel for that. And so a teenager, we'd grab it and really dig into it. I love it. I love it. And I didn't mean to interrupt you. No, it's all good. Because, I mean, all those topics are fascinating. And we've been wanting to talk about it a lot on the show, which is great that you can come back on.

Because we've had people hint at it. And a lot of people ask us questions about, you know, like you said, there's this pre-adamite vibe going on. And a lot of Christians don't know what to think about those kind of concepts. But we do know that it feels very, very much. very much like the Bible is kind of like Star Wars. It starts sort of in the middle. And then it's sort of, I mean, George Lucas blew it and went back and tried to tell that story.

But, I mean, we're an 80s show. We talk about this. And that's kind of how it starts to you. That's it's a new hope. Episode four. We were literally starting in episode four. It's exactly what it is. It's a beautiful analogy.

But I'm going to do a much better prequel saga. So don't worry about it. I got you. Thank you. Thank you for having good taste in movies as well. That's an important thing on this show. I hate sand and a lot of people

not only start at episode four they started the second half of episode four they just go right to the New Testament and they don't understand the Old Testament and I think that we've done a lot of work on this show to make sense of the Old Testament like it's it's as crazy

as you can imagine and the wow this stuff happens and we appreciate guys like you that have put time and effort into the research and bring the Old Testament to life and say hey it was messy and it was crazy but it happened here's why it happened. And here's some of these themes that keep coming down, specifically genetics. All our listeners go out and get Ryan's book, Judgment of the Nephilim. You got a bunch of books out now.

And then social media. I know you're on Instagram. Yeah, yeah. So my website's judgmentalenthelem.com. The books are there. I got study guys, documentaries, all that good stuff. Also my Instagram, my Facebook, and my YouTube are all judgment of the Nephilim, one word. So you can find me there. Like you said, I have lots of content up there. I have two seven-part series on the Nephlin. I have stuff on end times. I did Thursday Night Theology show for a year that we cover all any, any topic under the sun.

So check it out. Feel free to DM me, send me questions. Always glad to answer. Yeah, we got, we always tease with another episode. So we got, we got Samson. Man. It's going to blow people's minds. Trust me.

I have a very unique thing. Okay, we're going to get you back on the schedule, right? Yeah, we are. I appreciate that. Well, thanks, man. So good to see you. And thanks to, thanks to, thanks to Erica as well for being really, really gracious with all of our switching and moving of this. So we appreciate you spending time.

Yeah, we, it's great to see your face, too. We need to make it not almost 100 episodes between. Exactly. No, we'll get this one on the book. We have a booking software. We're starting to get organized, bro. You guys are leveling up. Look at you guys.

You guys are leveling up. No, no. I appreciate it. I appreciate you guys having me on. And, you know, it's been 100 episodes because you guys have just done such a phenomenal job, seriously. So I'm like blown away. Keep doing it. It's a huge.

I'm seeing the impact. So like I said, you guys are picking up the baton for some heavy hitters in bringing people who may not, who are into the paranormal and the supernatural, but not so much into the Bible and getting them into it. So it's amazing work. So keep it up and, you know, look forward to coming back on. Thanks, brother. Let's go. Appreciate you.

Hi, man. Thanks, friend. God bless.