Blurry Creatures - EP: 21 Modern Day Giants with Timothy Alberino

Episode Date: January 17, 2021

Timothy Alberino returns to Blurry Creatures to discuss rumors about modern-day Giants. He recounts his own interview of an AC-130 pilot who flew a dead giant out of Kandahar, Afghanistan. We continue our dive into the world of Giants, Bigfoot, and how Tim believes Aliens are part of what the military calls "core reality". Quantum physics return to the pod as we investigate alternate dimensions. Are realms and dimensions simply semantics or merely a way to conveniently and succinctly explain away complex truths of the unknown? Subscribe and listen weekly.   Guest: https://timothyalberino.com  [e-mail]  blurrycreatures.com   Socials www.instagram.com/blurrycreatures   www.facebook.com/blurrycreatures   www.twitter.com/blurrycreatures   Music Kyle Monroe: www.tinytaperoom.com   Aaron Green: https://www.instagram.com/aaronkgreen/   Mastering: Brandon Weaver https://ironwingstudios.com  Outro Song: TimeCop1983: www.timecop1983.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And he saw a foot, and I think he saw a hand, and he saw part of the head of what turned out to be a giant, humanoid, giant, humanoid. Welcome back to Blurier Creatures. Thank you so much for tuning in this week. we have another great episode with Timothy Albarino today. You were on a couple episodes ago, and you talked about your new book, Birthright. But today we really wanted to get into the topic of giants, which is something that's been a recurring theme on our show. We want to talk specifically about some things that you mentioned in our last interview,

which was there's this story of this giant that was killed in the caves of Afghanistan by U.S. military, and you interviewed the pilot who supposedly flew this beast. out of the mountains of Afghanistan. We thought you'd bring you back on today, talk about that, and talk about the ancient giants, and keep the conversation going. So can you tell us a little bit more about this story

of this pilot that flew this giant out of the mountains of Afghanistan? Yes, Steve Quill and I, when we were doing the True Legends episode two, the Unholy Sea, we interviewed the pilot. And you can see in the, I believe, the documentary opens with this interview. And we,

we shot him in silhouette. But he showed us his credentials. He was a really, really interesting guy. How do you, how do you track that guy down? Yeah. I think he, I believe, if I remember the story correctly, he got in contact with Steve. I think he heard Steve on the Hagman program.

I can't remember exactly how he got in contact with Steve. But we interviewed him for the documentary. and we got to spend some time with him. A really nice guy, really credible guy in my estimation. Again, he showed us his credentials, and he was active duty. He was active duty AC-130 pilot. And the story goes, let me see if I can recall this accurately. During the Iraq War, he was deployed.

He would always fly in to different bases and pick up cargo. That was his job and move cargo around. And sometimes he would fly in and pick up different kinds of military assets, you know, people, special forces, teams, or he would pick up. I remember he told me that he would fly in to pick up the bad guys. You know, they'd be all, they'd be handcuffed and bags over their heads. And he'd fly in and pick those guys up sometimes. And so he was, he would fly in and out, trying to think of the terminology he used, the military terminology he used. high value assets, kind of top secret type stuff.

And when he would fly into a mission like that, they would tell him, before he got off the plane, they would tell him, look, this is a, this is a, I forget the terminology, classified or something. And so that meant to him no pictures, no cameras. He wasn't supposed to ask any questions. He was just supposed to come out, pick up the asset, and then go complete mission and drop it off. And so one day he was flying into Bogram, I think it's called Bogram, Air Force Base, if I remember right. We need our Rogan fact checker. I have to pull up the documentary or the script or the script for the documentary. But he flew into the base on a routine mission.

And when he landed, they said, you're picking up a high valued asset here. It's confidential. No pictures, no cameras, no questions, something to that effect. And, So he lowered down the loading door on the craft and walked outside the to go see what it was that he was loading up on the AC 130. And he was met by, he described them as they look like intelligence officers, like Army intelligence or Air Force intelligence or something. Right away, he knew that whatever he was picking up was top secret. And they told him when they, when he encountered them, they told them they reiterated no pictures, no questions. and they walked him over to the to the hangar. There was a large, there was a large pallet on the ground,

and he could see that there was something under the pallet. It was covered, I mean, there's something laying on the pallet and covered with a big tarp. And he could see part of what was under the tarp sticking out. And he saw a foot, and he saw, I think he saw a hand, and he saw part of the head of what turned out to be a giant humanoid. And I remember him describing the skin as sort of pale grayish, which maybe because the entity was dead at this point. And it had red hair.

He described it had red hair. And he remembers six toes and six fingers. And what he really described with great detail, what was very vivid in his recollection was the stench. He said this thing reeked. And they, and the guy standing around the, this dead giant, again, covered with a tarp, started to tell him what it was and what the rumor was about it. And apparently, this giant was killed in a cave. I don't remember exactly where could have been Kandahar.

I don't remember exactly if it even corresponded with L.A.'s, with the giant that L.A. was told about. I think Steve and I determined that it was a different giant. It was a different incident that L.A.'s contact described. But I don't remember how that shook out. I can't remember. but this the pilot told us that he was told that I believe it was the Marines who encountered this giant I want to say it was Marines a group of Marines who were patrolling doing a routine patrol around a village in Afghanistan and they noticed that I remember him telling us that they noticed that the local villagers were leaving were bringing food and other items into a cave and leaving it at the mouth of the cave and it was sort of an act of reverence

to something or someone that was in the cave. And so, of course, the Marines, let's just say they were Marines, the Marines thought that they're aiding and abetting the Taliban, that they're supplying the Taliban in the cave. And so the Marines decided to go in and smoke them out. And they went in there thinking they were going to encounter a bunch of Taliban guys, you know, and have a firefight. And when they went into the cave, what they encountered in,

instead was this 15-foot giant. Wow. And they described him as they smelled him, if I remember right first, and then he came out of the shadows and obviously frightened them. And if I remember correctly, because sometimes I get the two stories confused, LA story and ours, the giant killed one or two of the guys before they brought it down. And eventually they brought it down. They put a whole lot of rounds into this giant. And then the giant was airlifted out. They brought a helicopter in and they lifted him out to the base. And then of course they called in this AC130 pilot to come and pick him up. And when you're interviewing these people, is there any moment where you're like any of your red flags go off? Like this is all made up. I mean, are you just going purely on your senses that this guy's

telling the truth? Well, the first thing I do is evaluate the person. And you always want to see credentials. and he showed us his credentials, active duty, AC-130 pilot. He wanted to be, he wanted his voice to be masked, and he wanted to be filmed in silhouette. And that's a good sign. He's not looking for fame, not looking for money. Nobody even knows who he is.

So that was a good sign. And then, you know, having just shot the breeze with the guy for a while before we did the interview, I had a sense that the guy was telling the truth. He told me some other things, too, relevant to some other topics. and I had a good sense about him. I believe his story to be true. Now, the only way you could ever verify it would be if he had physical evidence,

you know, or photos that could be verified or something. So in as much as we could believe him, Steve and I believed him, I found him to be very credible. We wouldn't have put him in the film if we didn't think he was credible. Yeah. And so long story short, he picked up, he loaded the body under the AC 130 and flew it to a base, I believe in Germany, or no, Qatar. He flew it to Qatar.

And from Qatar, it made its way to the United States. He learned later. And he heard, he said through the grapevine, he heard that the ultimate destination of this corpse, of this 15-foot-tall, humanoid giant, the ultimate destination was Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio. And then that was the end of it. That was the end of his tail. And later on, by the way, let me say this.

I almost forgot to say this. And Steve will attest to this, Steve Quill. The pilot that we interviewed purposely withheld some details about his experience. And he told us that he did. He said, I'm not going to tell you guys. There's specific details I'm going to withhold. And the reason he did that was so that if somebody else comes out talking about this incident, he would be able to confirm if those people were telling the truth. Yeah, it's like the police.

I mean, like when they let so much out to the public, but they know things that only, that there are things that only the murderer or perpetrator would know, right? The same way to fact, just have somebody. So they just didn't hear in the news, didn't watch your film, didn't listen to L.A. That it's legit. Yes. And so he called Steve and after after L.A. had come out with his, I believe it was he did an interview or he certainly put it in one of his films and the AC130 pilot got in contact with us and he was very excited and he said this guy's legit he's telling the truth he describes some of the details that I purposely withheld he was very excited about it so that led us to believe that either LA's giant was the same story or it was another one of the same

species in the general vicinity. Wow. So it was the second giant. How long do you think the giants lived? Did they live longer than human beings, you think? Who knows? One thing is clear is that they were living underground, and that's why I think they had pale skin.

Yeah. I think the pale skin was natural. It wasn't just because post-mortem. It was the natural color of their skin, and I think they're living under the ground. These are cave-dwelling entities that have been forced into the caves. by human beings. And, you know, in the United States, for example, the Native Americans have tales of hunting the giants

because the giants were evil. They feared them, and the giants were man-eaters, and so they hunted them. Yellow hair. We talked about that in one of our early episodes, Nate. Yeah. Just like they hunted some of the wild animals and some of the megafauna back in the prehistoric times,

they hunted the giants. And so they say. Well, my thought is if they're underground, I mean, they must be living a long time if they can't, unless they can breed somehow or, you know, who knows how vast, how extensive those underground cave systems are. Yeah. And where they go.

And maybe it's not all that bad under the ground. So, yeah, this gives me tons of questions, Tim. Okay. So in the entire narrative, we talked about the beginning of the giants and the watchers and the Nephilim and that whole, that'll process. And then we have the flood. And you have the two different theories, which is there's survivors or there's, you the bloodlines carried on through one of Noah's son's wives.

And then we get to, you know, to modern day in their, now we have stories about giants that still exist. And so how are they still existing? Do you think these are like Bigfoot where people, some people hypothesize that these might be like interdimensional or I just want to know. I don't subscribe to the interdimensional hypothesis as it relates to giants or as it relates to aliens, by the way, because nobody. understands what interdimensional means. None of us have ever seen an extra dimension. We have no idea

what we're talking about. It's mumbo jumbo. We can kind of understand the concept of something being interdimensional, but it's just a magic wand that we can wave at any problem and say, you know, oh, I understand what's going on. It's interdimensional. Sure. When really, we don't have any freaking idea what interdimensional is. We don't. You can read one of Michiocaku's books and get a scientific perspective on what interdimensional may mean. But outside of that, it's like trying to describe a color that that doesn't it that we've never seen. So I try and stick with practical solutions that that we can contemplate and that makes sense within the world that we are familiar with. So here's a question. I mean, you brought a big foot. We're talking about giants somehow

existing and still being alive on the earth in caves. Well, what about Bigfoot? Yeah. I mean, are we to suppose that Bigfoot was on Noah's Ark? I think they all want to underground. That's how I think they all survived. Yes. So, so there's a few options here. I mean, there's actually a lot. There's a lot of possibilities. They could have gone on underground. If you're talking about an advanced entity, it could have gone off planet, which is doubtful. But it depends on what you're talking about there. They could have been in a portion of the earth that was not completely submerged. I am of the persuasion that the flood of Noah was global. but having said that, is it possible that there were certain places that were not submerged?

I guess it's possible. Anything's possible. And then you've got some people who believe that the flood of Noah was local. I think, I believe, you know, that some of the popular Christian Bible scholars like Mike Heiser believe that, the flood of Noah. He may or may not. I don't recall if he does it or not. But certainly very respected scholars believe that the flood of Noah was not, in fact,

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So there could have been flooding. By the way, when you talk about the flood of Noah, you have to answer the question in your mind that will give you clarity about the flood. Where did all the water come from? There's an old hypothesis that a lot of people used to subscribe to. I think most people have abandoned. that ship, though, regarding a... Canopy? A canopy.

Thank you. An ice canopy around the earth that melted. But you don't have to go that far. Stay on the earth. Just stay, stay terrestrial when you think about this. All you have to realize is that there was an ice age. Much of the northern hemisphere when you got close to the poles and much of the southern hemisphere close to the pole was frozen, solid, with a whole lot of water and frozen

in the form of ice. And most of North America was covered in ice. And so you had a sliver and it was a wide sliver. We had this, you had this band, an inhabitable band around the earth. And the temperatures would have been pretty, pretty mild within that band. It wouldn't have been so variegated as it is today because you have, you have the caps are frozen. So again, not just the caps. Most of North America is frozen, right?

So if there was an impact, let's say a comet, cataclysmic event that suddenly melted that ice, you would have a global flood. Now, would the flood be, it would be global in nature for sure, because you're talking about a whole lot of water dumping into the ocean all the sudden. And also, you're not just talking about a flood, you're talking about all kinds of cataclysmic events happening simultaneously. Lots of volcanism. Volcanoes going off left and right, massive earthquakes, tidal waves. Every kind of cataclysmic geological event you could imagine would have happened. It would have been a mass extinction event and those poles would have melted very quickly if the atmosphere heated up.

And it would have amounted to essentially a global flood. Most parts of the earth would have experienced massive flooding. I've heard some people say that there was water underground and then there was like plates that collapsed and it shot the water out. That probably happened as well. Yeah. It probably was a combination of all these things. And then the water receded slowly. Would it take a year for the water to recede?

Well, the poles re-froes, and so that sucked up a lot of the water. What about the greenhouse effect that I've heard? Like, someone said there was a canopy, like a greenhouse around. The water was trapped in the atmosphere. That's possible. The atmosphere was certainly different back in the ice age. I mean, if Jesus can take a couple loaves of bread and some food, fish and make it a huge meal. I'm sure you can make it rain for, you know, 40 days, right?

Just making it rain, yeah. Yeah, but he certainly could. I mean, you know, Jesus is, in my book, I refer to him as the singularity. He is the source of all creation. He could certainly do whatever he wants. However, the universe and the natural world in our lives are not encompassed by regularly occurring supernatural events. We live in terms of the, the occurrences that happen in our lives are pretty mundane. And in the world in general, it's like a clock. It's like it's like the universe is ticking away and things are happening that were pre-planned, preordained based on geological phenomena, astrological phenomena that was set in motion from the beginning. I don't know if I'm, if you understand what I'm saying.

So rather than just, you know, God snapping his fingers and making it rain, it's more likely in my mind that it would have occurred like most things occur in life, that it would have been a preordained event, a comet or something headed for the earth that happened to hit the earth right at that moment in time precisely when the earth was full of violence and corruption, because, of course, God is omnipotent, all-knowing and would have known the hour in which he was going to set the flood beforehand. So, of course, that hurdles us down a theological road there. But the point is that there are many scenarios, in which things could have survived the flood.

Now, could people have survived the flood? Could human beings have survived a global flood that maybe didn't submerge all of the earth? I think the answer to that question is no, because the climactic change would have been so dramatic that it would have been impossible to survive. It would have been impossible. You couldn't, I mean, it would have literally been impossible to survive.

Everything would have been different. Suddenly, for those people who are alive, they would just would not have had the wherewithal to survive that level of cataclysm. However, could a big foot type creature survive? Yeah. A creature that's more feral. A creature that lives in the wild and that had the capacity maybe, I think they do evidently, because their eyes are black, to live under the ground.

Could they have just retreated into the inner earth? Yeah. And the giants, you know, do the same. Could that have happened? And I guess is it possible? Some humans could have done it too. I guess that's possible as well. But, you know, the fact is that, and I say this as a fact, and I'm sure you guys probably would agree with me, I think it's, I think the existence of the Sasquatch is a fact.

I think it's a stone cold fact. I love that. There you go. There you go, everyone. Just like the existence of giants. I'm not talking about 20-foot giants. I'm talking about 15, 12, 13, 15-foot giants. In my mind is a stone cold fact, even today. Very rare, but they exist still to this day.

If that's the case, and we're talking to nature as, you know, the laws of nature exist and like you're speaking about and there's, there's these ways that things happen as they're supposed to happen because there's order, then is there like a breeding population of giants? Probably. That's always wondered, like, because, you know, you have these, you have the spirit father, earthly mother, and you get a giant. Are there lady giants then too? Yeah, let's just write a. way eliminate magic. So that's the first step in, I think, rational thinking is we eliminate

magic. Magic is not a possibility. So, and when I say magic, by the way, I mean, that encompasses the term supernatural. Like feeding the 5,000. Well, that's on a different level. You're talking about the maker. You're talking about the son of God. That's a different thing. Miraculous, right? Yeah. So obviously God intervenes whenever he wants and does whatever he wants to do. Those are rare occasions. And we all have to admit that those are rare occasions. So, and even historically speaking, those are rare occasions. And a lot of that was done to confirm the person of Christ. In fact, a lot of prophecies and things in the Old Testament and the things that were done

were done to confirm Christ also. That's another discussion. So when we rule out some of the more fantastical possibilities, we're left with much more pragmatic situations like breeding. Do the giants breed? Well, they have to breed. How else do they persist in the earth if they don't breed? I don't think giants live from thousands and thousands of years. They probably have a longer lifespan than we do. And I don't have any definitive reason I can tell you for that. It's just a hunch. It's my suspicion that they live longer than we do. The big foots may live longer than we do as well. But they have to breed. Right. Just as they have to breed. There isn't like a giant

factory, you know, like pumping out giants. And that's why I said, eliminate the magic, because it's too easy to say, well, they're supernatural. Right. That's too easy. I don't play that game. It's too easy. I know the lady giants don't get any pub, which is never hear about it. We hear about Goliath and his brother. Well, Patty, you know, the most famous Bigfoot, she's a girl. They must have, they must have females. They must have females. I mean, well, the theory, too, though, is that there's a ruling class in the ancient world. A lot of these giants then, you know, then had offspring with regular women. So yes.

So, yeah, I mean, you can, you can, you can, you can breed through the human line intermixing the giant the giant offspring with. And people say, well, how does that happen if they're giants? How do they copulate with a woman? Well, they just do it. Instead of doing it when they're 20, they do it when they're 13. You know, there's lots of different options. It's, you know, it's, again, you just got to think really, really practically about

these things. and there's an abundance of options. And I don't know which one is the case, but I would guess, I would assume, that there's female giants and that they copulate, they procreate offspring. I just like, again, just like that.

I think the Bigfoot creature is a great comparison. They're out there. They exist. They breed. They produce offspring. There isn't a Bigfoot factory. They don't live forever. They do what the rest of us do on planet Earth.

They have to breed and reproduce. And so I would guess that the giants have to do the same thing. So now, I don't believe that there's a whole lot of giants out there. Yeah. Just like I don't believe that there's a whole lot of bigfoots out there. I think they're far and few between. Well, there was, you know, obviously, and then they were destroyed. See, I've kind of formulated an opinion and a thought that the earth had a lot of water in the atmosphere.

Because you find all these hidden megalithic cities, like off the coast of California, right near Catalina Island. There's some megalithic structures. There's megalithic structures in Japan underwater, and Atlantis was supposedly covered in water. So what if the earth, at one point, most of the water is in the atmosphere, because that produces the megafauna, and everything's bigger, and then it all comes down and buries all these ancient cities? That could supply some of the water, but it could not supply all of the water. I mean, you're talking about a tremendous amount of water. And then, yeah. Well, let's assume that the flood covered Mount Everest.

I mean, we are talking about an almost an unimaginable amount of water. And just water in the atmosphere would not cut it. Now, I do believe that the atmosphere was moisture and much more oxygen rich. You had to have that for the megafauna. Well, you could have water, but doesn't it say in the Bible, the water came from below and above? I want to say that. I think it would have poor rain, it came up from the ground, right? Yeah, in the book of Genesis, it says that the earth was water with the dew.

But you could have very well. you could have, it's very possible that there were these large aquifers under the ground, these underground oceans like we know exist on some of the planets. There's veritable oceans under the surface. There probably was a lot more water under the earth. It could have been like an ocean of water under the earth before the flood. And because of the cataclysm, it ruptured and came out, came spewing out of the ground, cracking open the earth, which would have accounted for a lot of the water.

You have a lot of rain. You have water coming up from under the ground, and you have the ice caps melting. I think that that would account for a global flood. Do you think that a, I mean, because in the Genesis, we talk about how the earth was formless and the spirit of God hovered over the water. So was it that the water was just essentially pulled to the poles? Well, that's what happens, you know, when water freezes. So if you imagine, let's say, you imagine the earth with no ice at the poles. There's no ice at the poles. Obviously, all of our coasts would be obliterated because there'd be a lot more water in the ocean then. So then imagine the temperature of the earth dropping dramatically and at the poles where it's the coldest forming ice. And so it's almost like the ice is grabbing the water and pulling it back and freezing it. And so it's like ice is storing up a lot of water.

at the poles. And if those poles melt, then you get a lot more water in the oceans. Of course, this is the, this is the concern of global warming, which I certainly don't subscribe to the man-made, man-made climate change. Although climate change is just a fact of life on planet Earth, dramatic climate change happens over the eons. It's like a look at. It cools and warms and cools and warms. You don't get an ice age without it cooling, yeah. It's a cycle. It's the Earth's position in the orbit around the sun. There's some kind of a configuration, an astronomical configuration with the Earth and the sun and possibly some other planets or some other kind of cosmological phenomena that causes

the melting of the poles and then the refreezing of the poles. And I don't mean refreezing like they are today. I'm talking about ice age. I'm talking about when I say freezing on the poles, I should be more clear. I mean an ice age. I mean not just the poles. where I'm sitting in Montana would be a big huge sheet of ice. I'm talking about most of North America frozen.

And so is this cyclic? Has the earth been going through this for millions of years? I think so. I think it's like a clock. And so you get these dramatic climate change events and ice ages that are recurrent on the earth, on the planet. And so was that part of what happened? Was that part of the equation? of the NOAA flood, I think it was.

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and then someone takes the plastic off the top, suddenly only certain plants in certain areas are going to survive and the other ones are going to freeze on the edges, right? Or if there's an asteroid or a comet strike. Sure. That kicks up a lot of dust and lots of volcanism going on the earth. You get all this soot in the atmosphere, volcanic ash and just soot and it blocks out the sun.

And so what would happen in that scenario is you would get dramatically colder temperatures on the earth. There's a lot of different, like I said, there's a lot of different possibilities. What about events like Sodom and Gomorrah where are they trying to make giants again? I'm not sure that Sodom and Gamorah had anything to do with giants. Judgment, right? Well, they're doing something. They're doing... Well, they were exceedingly debauched over in Sodom and Gomor.

I mean, I talk about this scenario in my book. I kind of, maybe you can call it hyper-analyses things. And I like to get down to like the nitty-gritty, the everyday practical view, because that's the view that we all come from. That's our lives. Who is this incarnation? That's one of my favorite movies, by the way.

Yeah, I might too. When you think about Saddam and Gomorrah, we have to pull ourselves out of kind of a Sunday school perception and instead let the details, let the story be as raw and as perplexing and as pragmatic as possible. So you have Sodom and or was it Gomorrah, I can't remember, where Lot was in, was Lawn, it's Gomorrah or Sodom, I can't remember. There's why they're basically there somewhere. I want to say it was Gomorra. I can't remember.

It was one of those two. And you have, so the story goes, to be honest with you, I should probably just read it because it's very, very interesting. And it's only about a paragraph here. Well, it's a very interesting event that we all, we all are familiar with it, but how many of us have actually really thought it through? See, it seems like God gets involved when we do DNA experiments, like in the days of Noah and Tower of Babel. And to me, it always feels like when we start, tinkering with the DNA, then you see more the hand of God getting, you know, okay, stop. No, I agree. I think that there's a line that we cross when God intervenes in a big way.

And I think tampering with the genetic, the genetic book of life is crossing that line. Yeah. And it demands judgment. It incurs judgment. I wonder if they were doing something like that in Sodom Camor. They were trying to, like, rehatch. They were exceedingly immoral. I mean, the Bible says that explicitly. Yeah, but so's Vegas. So, you know, so many places.

I mean, what's the difference between a city of sin and Sodom and Gomorrah? To me, the New Testament. Well, I think it was a pretty big difference. And again, if you analyze the story, and I'm trying to find it in my book because it's just like a paragraph. And it would be, I think, enlightening. In my book, I talk about this story of Sodom and Gomorrah. and I find it to be very interesting because, you know, you've got two angels that just walk into a city.

And what happens is very perplexing. So I'm seeing if I need to put this in context here before I start, before I read this, only paragraph. I'm talking about in my book here, this portion of the book that I'm going to read, I'm talking about the appearance of angels. And I make the case in my book that angels look very much like us. Indeed, we look like them. and they're almost indistinguishable from us. That's their natural appearance. That's not them taking on some, a form of a human being or just appearing to us like human beings. I think that's what they look like. That's their anatomy.

So I don't think they're meta, I don't believe that angels or demons or fallen angels or whatever have the ability to metamorphosize. I do not subscribe to that. So I don't think that an angel can, you know, metamorphosize or, or let's say what people call quote unquote fallen angel, which is a contrivance, the word that we've invented. The word, the term fallen angel is not actually a biblical word. It's descriptive enough to understand that these are rebel, angelic rebels. And the reason why I couched in those terms is because I try and pull people away from the idea that angels are

just these magical beings with wings whose sole existence is to kind of minister to us or interact with prophets or something like that. I think that's a massive misconception that we have. In fact, in the book, I make the case, the book, by the way, that I keep referencing is called Birthright that I just published about a month ago. In the book, I make the case that what we're dealing with when we talk about angels is we're dealing with an elder race of beings that predate us. It's an older, it's an exceedingly ancient civilization that predates our civilization. These are not entities with wings or multiple faces or anything like that. They look just like us.

In fact, we look like them. They're not human. They're not made from the substance of the earth like we are, but they are humanoid. This is not angels morphing into human beings, metamorphosizing into human beings. That's an important thing to keep in mind, okay? So I'll now read from the book here. The biblical narrative seems to insinuate a description of the angels that is consonant with that of the Nordics. Okay, I'm talking about the Nordics.

Have you guys heard about the Nordics? There's an alien race that people talk about. People, euthologists talk about the Nordics. They're these human-like aliens that they look like us, but they got blonde hair and blue eyes. And so I'm writing about that before I get to this paragraph. We haven't talked about it on the show. Okay, so on the eve of Sodom's destruction,

Lott was sitting in the gateway of the city when he saw two men approaching. He immediately recognized these men as angels. How could this be, unless they're a parisdemeanor. was distinct in some way. Just full stop right there. How in the world did Lot immediately recognize these two men as angels? I'm not reading him. I'm asking you guys.

So how the world does Lot recognize these guys as angels? You must have seen angels before, right? I think the answer is apparent. I'll answer in a minute. So continuing here. Sodom was in Judea. The men of Judea were ethnically Semitic. meaning they tended to look like the people of the Middle East today.

Relatively short compared to Europeans with tan skin, dark eyes, and black or brown hair. Two tall blondes with blue eyes and luminous white skin would stick out like a sore thumb in Sodom. The unique and striking appearance of these men is exhibited in the reaction of the Sodomites, who, being raving homosexuals, gathered together at Lott's door, demanding that he bring out his guests so that they could have their way with them. No ordinary Semitic men, no matter how handsome, would have attracted this kind of attention in a city bustling with activity.

So the point here is, I think that Lott recognize these men as angels because they were tall, blonde, had bright blue eyes and fair skin. They're probably six and a half feet tall, and Lott, coming from the family line of Abraham, would have been told stories about the angels. And certainly the descriptions of these angels would have been included.

And never, never are you going to find a living description. When I say living, I mean, an encounter with an angel, an actual encounter with an angel, not in a prophetic context, a real-time encounter with an angel in which the angels is described as having wings. Or being like 10 feet tall or something or 15 feet tall. You're never going to find that. You're only going to find actual. encounters in the Bible with angels where they look like young men, young men, young men, young men. Well, the genetics of the giants, they have red hair, right? They're white-skinned.

So if they're half angel, right? Yeah. And I think that that's that red hair and fierce, and that really fair skin may be a genetic marker. I don't know. But the point is the reason why the whole city of Sodom, all the men were gathered around Lott's door, were because they watched two tall, white skin, blue-eyed, blonde-haired dudes walked down the street to Lott's house. And in the city of a bunch of, you know, Semitic people, probably five and a half, five, five, six, maybe, average height, dark hair, brown eyes, the vast majority of them, raving homosexuals. What do you think their response is going to be? with these two dudes.

Yeah. It makes sense, doesn't it? It makes perfect sense that they would, that they would congress around Lott's house and want him to turn these exotic strangers over to them. And so my, the point here is two points. One,

the angels really look like that. And that's why they drew that attention. They didn't look like the Semitic people. They look like tall blondes of blue eyes. That's my guess. Maybe they have other colored eyes. But I suspect they're probably clear eyes. Blue, maybe like green.

I don't know. But the other point, though, is the level of depravity of those sodomite men, that they were so depraved, sexually depraved. These were not passive homosexuals. These were, as I say in the book, ravenous homosexuals. These were predatory homosexuals to the point where they had no moral inhibition whatsoever to demand that these strangers be turned over to be sodomized.

That is a level of depravity. that is leaps and bounds above where we are today, beyond where we are today. We're going to get there. We are going to get there. I don't know when. Eventually, we're going to get there again. But we're not there yet. Believe me, we're not there yet. You think that's enough, that constitutes enough for God to destroy the entire city? You don't think something else is going on? You don't think there's some genetic experiment going on there? I don't see any indication of that in the text. Okay.

When the Bible talks about going after strange flesh, it could mean two things. It could mean that people are copulating, it could mean three things. People are, A, copulating with animals, okay, so they're having sex with animals. Beastiality, was that occurring in Sodom? I would imagine so. In fact, I would almost guarantee that there is rampant beastiality happening in Sodom and Gomorrah. So that would be going after strange flesh. Being homosexual is strange flesh. That's also considered strange flesh in the Bible. And then the third strange flesh, which is the rarest, would be the activity of the watchers copulating with women. So women having sex with non-human males.

That's also strange flesh, or the other way wrong. That's where I think you're trying to create the giants again, right? I mean, I suppose that that's possible, but I just don't see any indication. Well, strange flesh, you made it sound like women and angels are trying to procreate again. Well, what I'm saying is that just because they were going to. after strange flesh doesn't mean that that is an indication that there was watcher activity happening. In other words, that there was watchers copulating with women and trying to create giants or something like that, or giants or having sex with giants.

I think if there were giants involved, the Bible is unambiguous about giants. So I think if there were giants in the city, I think there would be a footnote there in a story. The Bible, again, is very unambiguous about giants. So. One, two, give me a break. Let me a break. Break me off a piece of that. Kid Cat Bar.

Had chocolate, crispy day. Give me a break. Have a break. Have a Kit Kat. So I'm trying to remember exactly how we got into the talking about this. There's more specific events relating to the giants. Like, so when do you think the giants are expelled out of the Holy Lands? When do they leave?

Where do they go? Why do they end up over here in America and South America? Now, let me, let me say this. Could there have been giants in Saddam and Gomorrah? Could, could the, could the offspring of the watchers been there and engaging in this debauching in this debauchy or, or maybe initiated it? Were they worshipping the giants? That's all possible, but we have to conjecture about that because there's nothing in the text that indicates that directly. So is it possible that there was giants there? That would make a lot of sense that those cities would be obliterated then. certainly it's possible. So I'm not saying it wasn't, I'm not saying that there weren't. I'm just saying that I think there was enough depravity going on with the regular sized men in the city to warrant the destruction, the utter obliteration of those cities. But that does not eliminate the possibility that there's giants operating in those cities. I don't know. I just feel like the we would have been told because again, the Bible's unambiguous about giants. So the giants that were in Canaan

when Joshua, Moses and Joshua went into the escaped Pharaoh, and then after the 40 years of wandering, made their way to the promised land, and began to encounter and do battle with these giants. Those giants were installed in that land and had been for a long time. And you have to understand about those populations in Canaan, the Canaanites that the Israelites encountered,

were diverse peoples, were told, you know, the different tribes that were there. They're generally speaking, were all Canaanites. They lived in the land of Canaanites. Canaan. And it seems to me that some of the tribes were like literally tribes of giants. And then other tribes were tribes of normal people with giants interspersed. So it seems that there was interbreeding happening. Because we have like, what, 28 different tribes of giants described in the Old Testament. Tribes that may have been giants. Certainly there were giants. There's no question. The Bible, again, is very unambiguous. It says there were giants in the land.

there were giants in the land. And I don't think that those giants were, you know, NBA-sized players. Maybe some of the tribes were, and maybe some of the giants, if you're averaging, you know, 5-5 height, which the people probably were at that time, maybe 5-6, like I said, maybe maxing out at 5-7. You know, if you encounter a 6.5 foot-tall person, that person's going to look like a giant to you. But, but having said that, I believe that there were 12, 13, 14, 14, 15. 15, 16 foot giants, inhabiting the land beyond NBA players. These are non-human hybrid entities with different capabilities in human beings in terms of their physical strength, their prowess.

Who knows? I mean, maybe they were the giants, were the offspring, the watcher, smarter than regular human beings? I don't know. Who knows? I mean, they could have been. Well, some of the Native American stories is they could jump over a buffalo, pick it up with one hand, rip a leg off and eat it all in like one motion.

So some of those ancient stories that make them sound. like super athletes. And remember, there's always embellishment in those stories. There's always embellishment. But still, I mean. I think clearly from my own research, I can say, just like I said with Bigfoot, definitively, giants existed. And again, when I say giants, I'm talking 12, 13, 14, 15, 15, 16 foot giants, for

sure. Beyond 16 foot, I don't know. I suspect, but I don't know. But certainly within 12 to 16 feet. They existed. They were real. and I think to some extent they still exist today. What about the mud fossils where they say that some of these things are,

you know, they have these fossil remains of these mountains that look like the face of giants. And I mean, we talked to Michael Talinger. I don't know if you've looked at any of his stuff. But he's in South Africa and he's got a lot of like the fossil, mud fossil remains of some of these organs and bones. And he shows them on a lot of his videos that like some of these shoulder. blades look like the size of car doors. So we're talking 30. I have no idea what he's looking at.

I don't know if what he's looking at is organic. I don't know if what he's looking at is dinosaur bones. I haven't looked into the mud fossil thing. It's interesting. I don't know. I don't know much. People always email about the mud fossil stuff. And were there giants the size

of mountains? I don't think so. I don't believe that when the Israelites entered the promised land that they encountered 20-foot giants. I don't believe that. I think they encountered 12, probably 8 to 12-foot giants, where the majority of the giants that they encountered. We can even bump it down to seven-foot because that, again, would have been a giant to these people. So we're talking probably around the 8-12-foot range primarily with every now and again a 13, 14, 15, and 16-foot giant in the mix, I haven't personally seen red evidence that there was an abundance of giants above that size. However, in Peru, there certainly are legends, the research that I did about the giants in

Peru, where they talk about sticking a rapier sword through the eye socket of a giant skeleton that they found embedded in the bank of a river. Probably a tomb was exposed. The sarcophagus and the giant fell out of it. The body, the corpse fell out of it. skeletal corpse. And they found the head, mind you, the head. So they're not looking at like a mammoth or something. And they stuck the, and they did say that the sarcophagus was there. So it was obviously mammoth didn't bury their dead in sarcophagi.

So the conquistadors stuck their rapier swords into the eye socket. And they said that the head was so large that the tip of the blade barely touched the back of the skull before the hilt hit the eye socket. So, you know what I mean? Rapier swords are different sizes. You know, so certainly, you know, a rapier sword, maybe three feet long. But that's what would the body under that skull be? I don't know.

Would it be 15 feet tall, maybe? And that certainly isn't hard for me to believe that there's 15 foot tall giants. In many cases, you find descriptions of giants that were three times, two or three times the size of a normal man. Sometimes you find, like in Peru, the descriptions of giants being six times the size of a normal man. But I think some of that's embellishment. I think there was certainly giants. They were really big, but six times the size of a normal man sounds like an embellishment to me. So we got to be careful with embellishment. The legends are embellished history, most of the time. You're talking about a kernel of history with embellishment. That's how you get a

legend. Well, what does it matter if it's 30 or 15? Like really? Well, there's a big difference between 1315. I mean, a 30-foot giant is like a Disney, you know, a giant, I mean, Disney cartoon. That's a, there's a big difference. More philosophically, like how it relates to history, how it relates to the Bible. Well, 30-foot giant is a lot more conspicuous. It's a lot harder to hide if you're a 30-foot giant. You would expect to have a lot more accounts all over the earth of 30-foot giants.

If they're roaming around, I mean, it's like a Tyrannosaurus wrecks, you know, walking around in the woods, it can't really hide. And, you know, 30-foot giant. It's so conspicuous that you would just expect to find more evidence and more stories of giants of that size. I'm not ruling out the possibility. I'm just saying that if there were giants that were that big, they would have been rare indeed.

But I think giants of, let's say an average of 12 feet tall, were probably fairly common, based on the legends and all the mythos concerning giants that I personally encounter all over the place and in some surprising sources also aside from the biblical account. But let's talk about some of the misconceptions. Let's remember, for example, that the ancient cultures, the Greeks, the Romans and so forth, who one thing that they would embellish for sure were their military victories. I think we can all agree on that. Caesar, for example, Julius Caesar was famous for embellishing all of

his military victories in his own accounts that he wrote with his own hand. The Romans, when they would have a great victory, they'd build an arc of triumph. I mean, there's several of them still standing in Rome. So the Romans, and then they would reenact those battles in the Coliseum. They'd even flood the Coliseum to reenact naval battle. So the Romans would embellish those battles. They would embellish them, and they would make their enemies seem much more ferocious and powerful than they really were. The Inca did this. Everybody did this, right? I mean, it's just human nature.

So if, and I'm using this as one example, so we can maybe dial back our perception of how widespread giants were in the ancient context, if the Romans had encountered giants, let's say the Romans had fought a tribe of giants, don't you think there would be like an arc of triumph in Rome, depicting the Romans had encountered giants? Romans fighting these giants and paintings and sculptors and sculptures all over the place. Don't you think that the great Roman poets like Virgil and the great Roman historians would have embellished the hell out of that battle? Or they've taken it all to the Vatican. We just don't know about it.

Well, I doubt it. I mean, I doubt it. So I don't believe that giants were as widespread as some people think, but they were certainly a reality, but I think they were far and few between, just like the Kandahar giant that we were talking about, they were furtive because they were hunted. And by the time the Romans came, and the Greeks and the Romans and that, the classical era, I think giants were all but extinguished from the earth. In fact, I would say that giants were all but extinguished from the earth early on, shortly after the invasion, shortly after the conquest of Canaan. I think that most of

the giants were probably consolidated in Canaan and strategically so. This is really hurt. This is really hurt Nate's feelings to him. I mean, he loves, he loves thinking about 30 foot giants. This is hard. This is, I can say, well, there could have been a 30 foot giant. I'm not saying it wasn't. I'm just saying that if there was, you know, like the, like the green giant,

you know, like the size of the giant that's on that vegetable package walking around a bunch of those guys walking around the earth. I think that it would be. there would be just a lot more chatter. Yeah, I agree. In the ancient records and in the and among the natives. Now, were there giants striding around the earth? If there were 30-foot giants, I would say that they were probably,

they existed before the flood. And that would account for their evidence being gone, decimated. But those would be anti-deluvian giants. And certainly I think the anti-deluvian giants were larger. Omega fauna. than the post-Diluvian giants. They were larger, just like the megaphone, exactly. Just like the other creatures, everything was bigger.

Hey, were human beings bigger back then? I mean, I don't know. Is it possible? I guess some of the reason I get paused to this, and I don't know, and I'm not as definitive to say, because we brought on a guy that curates news articles. He's got an account called Giants of Ancient America, and he's got thousands newspaper reports

digging up some of these things all over the world. And it seems like in the late 1800s, there's a couple that are like 20, 25 that get dug up and reported about. And it's prevalent enough, and there's enough stories about it. Like there was one in Franklin, Tennessee in Luke's backyard

that they pulled 30 feet down and they were digging a well and they found one in the Rock Strata that was 18. 18 feet. Franklin alleged here in America. 18's not too uncommon. 18's not too uncommon.

I've seen 18 up to 20. That's over here in America. So you're thinking, right. How did it, you know? But I think a lot of that is still embellished. Don't forget that the late 1800s was a very sensational time in terms of print. The newspapers were very sensational.

And the stories, you know, you're talking to Jules Verne and stuff like that. It was a very sensational time. People were into spiritualism. People were into the occult big time. It was a sensational time. And so in newspapers, just like today, were vying for, readers. And so they would purposely sensationalize stories or sometimes run with unverified stories to gain a bigger audience to get more subscribers. You've got to add that in the equation. Always. You always

have to add that in the equation. Well, that's how, that's what all my academic friends tell me that that that's why they don't believe in giants at all. Oh, no, but I'm not like your academic friends in that. I absolutely believe that giants were dug up in the United States. I don't think there's any question about it. I'm just saying that if somebody says they dug up a 20-foot giant, especially if it's a Native American telling me this, I dial it back to like, I like subtract eight feet off that sucker because people embellish, man, especially the Native Americans that I've talked to, and even in Peru and in the North American Native Americans embellish. It's just second nature. They embellish. Everything is embellished. And so were there giants dug up in

the United States? Absolutely there were, from my perspective. I don't think there's any question about it. I think were there cases where dinosaurs and mammoths and giant sloths were confused for giants? I don't have any doubt about that either. I think it's, I think it's all of the above. Were there giants that were 18 feet tall that were dug up? Probably. Were they the exception? Most assuredly, they were the exception. The weird ones are the ones with like horns grown out of their heads. Some they found dwarves and some of these things. You have all kinds of. Yeah, but again, I don't know how much of that is just the sensationalism that was running in the papers at the time.

Or Cyclops skulls? They found one with just one eye socket? I don't think there's any question that giants were dug up in the mounds and in other places and secreted away to the Smithsonian. To me, there's zero question about it. There's even an admittance by, what's his name, Powell, where he admits that, and again, this is in my film,

This is in the film Holocaust of Giants, I think, the third installment of the true legend series, I think, in which Powell admits that, okay, we are finding, we're finding basically he admits that, okay, giants are being dug up fine. We can't talk about it because we can't talk about these giants until we figure out where they came from, paraphrasing, because Paul was absolutely dedicated to the doctrine of isolationism. and so he was concerned that these kind of discoveries were blown holes in his theory, in his doctrine, which was the most important thing to him was this doctrine of isolationism.

And so Paul had a vested interest in covering up the reality of giants, but he wrote about it. He made what amounts to an admission that the giants were being discovered, but they couldn't be revealed to the public because they didn't fit the narrative that he was pushing at the Smithsonian and the official narrative of the Smithsonian itself, which was isolationism. And so there's no question in my mind that giants were being discovered. Now, how big were the giants? Did they have horns? Were they cycloptic?

I don't know. You got to add in that ingredient of sensationalism. You have to because if you don't, it's part of the puzzle. It's part of the time and you got to add it in. It's just some of these are really weird. There's like little blurbs in newspapers. Like literally less than a lot of them were hoaxes, by the way. Yeah.

We're verifiable. And even LA will tell you this. Some of them, yeah. We're verifiable hoaxes. And you're going to find a lot of hoaxes. That doesn't negate the real giants that we're being uncovered. It just means that people realize, okay, you and I, if we're publishing a paper, and we have an estate over, there's another paper being that that's competing with our paper.

And we want to one up them and get some more viewers. Running a sensational story about a cycloptic giant or a giant with horns or something like that is going to help us. People aren't able to verify our story like we are today, able to track down information. You know, you would literally have to go interview the people who were involved in the story and so forth. Don't doubt that there was a financial incentive to sensationalize everything, not just giants, pterodactals, all kinds of things, all kinds of things, other kinds of dinosaurs that were supposedly cited. All kinds of things were running in the newspapers, the mystery airship phenomenon that was happening at the time. it was a sensational time.

But that does not, this is where I part with the critics who you talk to, that does not negate the reality that giants were being dug up in the soils of the United States. They were. So it's like you have to have a balanced opinion because a lot of people that just err on the side of rationalism. There's no way that stuff existed. We know it did. No, what I'm saying, what I just said is the rational position.

If someone says, looks at all the evidence of giants in a North American says, no, that's that they didn't exist. That's an irrational position, especially when you look at the Smithsonian's own findings and admissions and Powell's statement, it's irrational to conclude that there was nothing to the giants. That's the irrational position. That's how I think. But it's also irrational to conclude that all the stories were true. Sure.

That's also irrational. So you got to find the truth is in the middle. The truth is in the middle. You have to admit that there's a lot of critics and deniers who are just blind and refuse to accept the veracity of giants in America, the bones of giants in America. And then there's the other side where people just believe every single news clipping article that they see from the 18th century, from the 19th century and just take it as gospel truth. Both ends of that spectrum are we need to be careful with. So find the truth in the middle. Yes, there were giants in America.

Can all the stories be trusted? No, definitely not. The Smithsonian can't be trusted at that time because they're covering things up left and right, not just things that pertained to the Giants, by the way, things that anything that contradicted the doctrine of isolationism was basically just secreted away. So you can't trust the Smithsonian at the time

and you can't trust the sensational newspapers. You got to find the level ground in the middle. So here's how it feels. you've done a lot of work with Steve Quayle, you've done a lot of documentaries on the Giants. What are the top three things that you would say, undeniable? Besides putting your hands on the skulls in Peru,

that people don't know about, that other giant authors don't talk about, what are some of the top things? Because we've talked to a lot of people about it. The top three would be, A, the historical accounts. And when I say historical, I'm talking about, let's use Peru as a specific example. the accounts that are in the chronicles of the priests, the Catholic priests, who are going around Peru with the Bicitadores, okay?

The Bicitadores are the official representatives of the Spanish crown who are accompanying the priests in Peru back in the 16th century, and their mission is to extirpate idolatry in Peru, to exterminate idolatry. This is their mission, not to find giant bones, not doing anything else. their mission is to extirpate idolatry. And then you have the royal inspector accompanying the Catholic priest to make sure that all of the gold and silver and the idols, you know, that are made out of these precious metals, that the crown gets its royal fifth. Because that's what the crown got, a fifth of the treasure. And so these guys, this is their mission. And as they're going through Peru, several of the chroniclers, several of the chronicles talk about this, that, and some of them were the Catholic priests themselves, were they,

detail, they would go into a village. There's one case in which they went into a village and the native people were worshipping something in a cave and because the first thing that the priests would do would be to interrogate the leaders of the village and find out what gods do you worship and where are your idols, right? So they found out that the gods are being worshipped in the cave and so they had the natives take them to the cave and when they got into the cave, this is recorded by his hand, I want to say it was Ariaga, when they got into the cave, they noticed that there's a bunch of, they called them Gentiles, dead Gentiles all over the place, which probably were human sacrifices, right? So they found out that what these people were worshipping, what these natives were worshipping, wasn't some wooden idol or some idol made of gold, but was these dead skeletal remains of these giants, so these dead corpses of these giants that were dressed in Cumbia, it says. And Cumbia was the was the traditional, like the royal sort of vestments of the natives, right? The priestly royal vestments of the natives.

So they dressed these corpses, and these corpses were propped up, and the people were worshipping them, and they said these were their divine ancestor. And the giants were described as having deformed craniums, which I interpret as elongated skulls. And I think there's reasons why I interpret it that way. And the chronicler says that they were six times the size of a normal man. which I'm going to guess that they were probably anywhere between 16 and 18 feet tall,

always adding in that embellishment, okay, always adding in the embellishment. And so then the priest describes what they did. And remember, it's not just the priest, it's also the royal inspector who's with the priest, okay? Representative of the Spanish Crown, he says they took the bodies out of the cave and they burned them in the village. That is a historical account. That's not fanciful. it's not secondhand them hearing about this they encounter why would they write that why in the world would they write that why would they just invent that and it's very unlikely that

the natives have dressed mammoths up you know mammoth remains or giant sloths in kumbia yeah these were humanoid beings that they regarded as their ancestors and they were burned in the village the bodies so that to me is very compelling proof so that's one kind of proof. And there's lots of stories like that. Okay. It's not just here, say there's really, really compelling historical accounts. And then you have contemporary accounts that you can find not so much in the United States anymore, but contemporary accounts like the one we talked about, the Kandahar Giant, but also if you go to Sardinia, places like certain other places around the earth, where there seems to have been a large population of giants in the past. Probably

the giants that came over from Canaan during the conquest of a Canaan by Joshua, the Israelites. And there was a stronghold, I think, of these Canaanite giants on the island of Sardinia. Probably it was either established before or after

the conquest of Joshua. And you go to Sardinia and you begin to talk to the elderly people there and you're going to hear story after story where they're going to tell you that they were digging you know, when they were, you know, 15 years old or 18 years old, they were digging in their parents,

they were digging a foundation for, you know, a barn or something that they were building at their parents' house. And they dug up bones, giant bones. And not just ambiguous bones, like a Tyrannosaurus Rex, you know, thigh bone. They dug up hands and feet. And those hands had had jewel rings on them. And they would get excited whenever they would find these remains of giants because they often had gold and silver rings and necklaces. Yeah. You know, last time I checked dinosaurs and mammoths and giant sloths didn't wear jewelry. They didn't wear bling. Well, they're saying that about the giants in Michigan.

They mined more copper near the Lake Michigan. Just it would have taken them humans. They estimate like 500 years to get that much copper out. Well, I think the Phoenicians did it, and there were giants among the Phoenicians. Yeah. And so, and I think that these are also connected to the Phoenicians, these giants in our Sardinia. And so these people will tell you that they dug up hands with, you know, giant hands. And they'll show you with their, with their own hands, how big they were.

And they will tell you this with, and I'm not just talking one or two people. I mean, it's common. And people who are sometimes digging up whole bodies and plowing in their fields and a big skull. It sounds like you're saying that they were concentrated. The giants, they got pushed into areas. and they migrated there. And so there's places. They were concentrated.

There's places in the world where you, if you go to, they dig up more. There's like thousands of grades. Yes. And I believe that the post-deluvian, the post-flood giants, didn't necessarily migrate on their own around the world.

I think that they were seated all over the world through the Phoenicians, because the Phoenicians were the remnant of the Canaanites. And that's another, and I've got reasons why I believe that. But so here, that's, evidence, like in Peru. There's an example I gave you in Peru with the Chronicles. And then you have the contemporary stories of the people in Sardinia, for example, who, the elderly people will tell you

that they dug up the bones of giants. And not just the elderly people. There's all kinds of stories. Again, it's in the films that we did the True Legends films. Lots of stories of even more contemporary stuff than a couple generations back, even stuff from just, you know, from the 90s and 80s where people were employed to dig at certain sites and they were digging up the bodies of giants and in a systematic way and so forth. So those are the contemporary stories. You got those stories, the ancient stories and the contemporary stories. And then the third element, aside from what I would consider historical content, is you have all the myths and legends. And those myths and legends are ubiquitous all around the earth. And when you combine those three elements together,

And by the way, the contemporary stories, when I say contemporary, when I say historical accounts, I would include into that historical accounting the stories that were coming out of the 19th century in the United States. That's part of that historical body of evidence. Again, the contemporary accounts would be like the one we talked about in the beginning with the Candaharge. Those contemporary accounts. And then you have the myths and legends. Would the myth and legend be like Gog and Magog and the Great Wall of China and stuff like that? Well, the myths and legends would be like the legends. Myths, I think, are different than legend.

I think myths are designed to convey cosmological phenomena. Legends are different. Legends are embellishments of stories that were passed down through generations with kernels of truth. So you know like Hercules and... Those, those, the stories like the ancient Greeks, they had both. They had legends and myths. And again, I think the objective of the myth was to, was to,

encapsulate and preserve cosmological scientific information, whereas legends were like stories, tales about remarkable events and people, which were embellished over time. And so when you encounter legends about giants, you know, you can say the same thing about lost civilizations, giants. When you encounter these legends and they're ubiquitous all around the earth, you can logically derive there's truth to the stories. And that's, of course, the weakest. That's the weakest. I wouldn't call that proof.

I would call that anecdotal evidence of giants. The strongest is the historical stuff, the stuff that's not written in the context of legend or myth, but in the context of history, especially when you have photos. Like there's photos from the 1800s, legitimate photos of 12, you know, I've seen up to 15 foot tall, mummies and things like that. some of those photos are definitely hoaxes. In fact, in fact, one of them that I thought for sure was real. And I really did.

L.A. Marsoulli pointed out to me that it was fake. And I didn't know until he had actually done the digging and researched it and found out that it was fake. And I hadn't known. So you got to be careful. And even as scrupulous as I tried to be, do my due diligence whenever I'm, you know,

researching or writing or making a film, involving these kinds of things. I tried to be extremely scrupulous. I get caught in some of the hoaxes. Everybody does. And so you got to be real careful. We live in a time when it's almost impossible. I mean, Luke and I were talking about that today at lunch. We went to lunch and saying we live in the wild west of information where literally anything could be true and anything can be false and it's never been harder to vet information. I mean, I think that's giving rise to, you know, podcast or you're just trying to go directly to the source and hear something, something true. Yes.

And the Giants thing's thing's difficult because you do have so much stuff surrounding it. I guess in my mind I thought maybe you secretly came across some bones. I've never seen a giant. I've never personally seen the bones of giants. I have not. No researcher that I know has, not, not L.A., not Steve, Tom Horn. None of us have seen the bones of giants, none of us. Now, Steve and I have interviewed people who claim to have seen the bones of giants in the, under the Smiths, under one of the Smithsonian's underground facilities.

But that's anecdotal. That's hearsay. We personally, you know, giants, have I ever seen a giant? No, have I ever seen a Bigfoot? No. Have I ever seen a UFO that was absolutely a UFO and not, you know, a light in the sky, but was actually a piece of hardware. verifiable, absolutely. That yes, unequivocally, yes. But Giants and Bigfoot, no. But I've done a lot of research. I think at some point in time, one of us is going to find something, some kind of hard evidence

that we will be able to demonstrate, to display that is hard, verifiable proof of the existence of giants because it's out there. I've no doubt about it. It's out there. And I think that will happen before somebody finds really hard evidence of a bigfoot, like a dead body of a big foot. I think it's much more likely you're going to find the remains of a giant, take a picture of it or something, or actually be able to confiscate the bones. Well, the same thing, I've seen heard those stories about, you know, the same story you told us about the Candahard giant. I've heard that about Bigfoot getting shot in the woods and then helicopter shows up and they throw it over the tarp.

Was that Duke? Who told us that story? Yeah. I think that was Duke who told us that story. I don't have any doubt that that is happening. Well, and there's also military stories that they're going out and hunting the things, trying to exterminate them on purpose for some reason. Steve and I were told by this, the pilot told us that in the military, and some other guys actually told me this independently and Steve independently, that in the military, in the black ops of the military, there's something that they refer to as core reality.

And core reality is the reality that's beyond every, everyday mundane reality. It's kind of at the core of what's going on on the planet that most people don't understand. And giants and aliens are two components of core reality. Core reality. Again, I have no doubt that the Bigfoot creature is real. I have no doubt that giants not only were roaming the earth, but still are roaming the earth. They're very rare.

They're few and far between. mean, I think the giants that do exist are like the Bigfoot. They're in the very remote areas or they're underground. And now, are they interdimensional? I don't know what that means. I've never, I don't, I don't, I don't, I can't conceptualize interdimensional. Nobody can. I don't know what that means. Because most people, when you talk about interdimensional, they mistake, they conflate interdimensional with an alternate dimension. Okay. So you have alternate dimension and you have interdimensional. Those two are two distinct ideas. It's something that's in an alternate dimension.

It's like Narnia. You know, you walk through the wardrobe and you pop into the land of Narnia. That's an alternate dimension. Yeah. I can conceptualize that, but I don't know what interdimensional means. I don't know what that is, and I don't think anybody really does. You know, people say, well, they're phasing in and out of dimensions. It's like, I mean, I don't know what that means.

Facing in and out of a dimension. Nobody knows what that means. They could just be using quantum physics, you know. They could just be, so we think it as dimensions, but it's just part of the way the world works and energy works. I mean, they could be going through some kind of a star gate or a wormhole. That certainly, I think, is practical. I think that's certainly within the realms of, it makes much more sense to me. And then if you're talking about that, but see what people don't realize, if you're going to say that in Bigfoot or a giant is, you know, that they have access to, like, somehow they can open up a gate.

and go through it. Well, the question is, what's on the other side? Are they just going from one part of the earth the other? Or are they going to a different planet? We've heard stories about Bigfoot getting picked up by UFOs and going to other planets. There's certainly a correlation between the Bigfoot and the UFO. I think that the aliens control the Bigfoot's to some extent. It's almost like they're like cattle to them and they use them for different things.

I think it's almost like they're a slave force for the for the grades. It's wild. It's wild to think about. Okay, so here's my final question because I feel like we've given our listeners a lot to chew on. Let's just say you're in a conversation with somebody and you finally convinced them. Yeah, the giants existed. They were here. What's the ultimate point to try to, I mean, I know why I would want to get someone to get there.

What would you say, they're saying, okay, so what? So why? Why do I need to know this? And why does it matter? Why does it matter to know anything? Well, I mean, is it a, I think it's a pinnacle point of understanding the Bible personally. You can't. I don't really think that will test.

it makes any sense without him. Well, I think it also destroys Darwinism. I mean, that's one of the big things that has to do with a cover-up or the removal of the evidence as it appears to have been. It complicates Darwin. It complicates the theory of evolution. I don't know that it obliterates it, but it certainly complicates the theory of evolution in some interesting ways.

I don't think it would be a death blow. They would just create a new branch and new evolutionary branch and stick the Bigfoot in it. In fact, they might even, the discovery of the Bigfoot could actually, bolster the theory of evolution if think about it. Let's say it's a link, right? Yeah. That's what Jeff Meldrum said. He said that a lot of Christians are afraid of Bigfoot

because he thought it would help support evolution. They didn't want it to come out. And I thought it was the opposite. I thought... Not Bigfoot. No, not Bigfoot, because Bigfoot would would fit into that hominid, early hominid type creature. That's just still around. You know, we've all seen the pictures of the hominid type proto-human apish, manish creature, right? So if we find one of those things out in the wild, the evolutionists are just going to say, look, they're still around. We just didn't know. So there's really no consequence there in terms of it.

I don't know that it really helps one side or the other very much, the discovery of the Bigfoot. Giants, probably the same thing. Giants are much more problematic for the atheist because it does help to confirm the historicity of the Bible, but not in any significant way. So what is at the heart of the cover? up of giants and like Bigfoot. Yes. You know, I'm going to be honest with you. I don't know. I can tell you this. There is a cover up. There's no question about that. There is a cover up. I believe the Vatican

is involved, certainly in Sardinia. I got no doubt about that. Vatican has been involved in the cover up of me. Yeah. They steal the bones I've read over and over. It's like, yes. So who else is involved in why? What's the motivation? I don't know. I don't know what the motivation is, is it just to disprove the Bible? That may be a component of it. That certainly could be a component. I wouldn't doubt that at all, but it doesn't seem like it can't be the full picture to me. I think the motivation is because it will reveal some things about our planet and about what things that are going on that they know about, possibly related to technology, possibly related to secrets concerning the ancient world that they don't want us to know for some reason or another.

but it's hard to really pinpoint why would they cover it up. I don't think there's any simple answer. I just know that they are covering it up. They are. There's no question about it. Tim, would you put UFOs in the same bucket as these two and say that there's the cover-up? Yes.

I mean, obviously exists, but really- Absolutely. Those are, again, those are like core reality. And I think maybe the Bigfoot, the Sasquatch is the third component of the core reality that I was told, giants. Bigfoot's, the giant Sasquatch and the, and UFOs, I think is what I was told specifically, is considered core reality. And are all three of those things related somehow? I don't know. Maybe sometimes they are, sometimes they aren't. Certainly the, the Sasquatch is associated with

sometimes with UFO encounters. And it's too easy to say those things are supernatural or those things are interdimensional. That's too easy. That's cheating as far as I'm concerned. It's cheating because interdimensional and supernatural, those terms have no explanatory power. They don't tell me anything. They don't give me any information. There's nothing concrete. You can't take it any further. It's the end of the road. It's supernatural. Well, what does that mean? It doesn't mean anything. I think that's why the Bible's hard to believe, right? Because you do hear a lot of those stories. And in my opinion, you know, we've gotten so many emails from people that are like, you know, I was losing my faith. I didn't know what to believe. I was kind of going down this relativistic path. But when you talk about the giants, my faith makes sense suddenly.

I don't know how many emails we've got about that. And I feel the same way. It's like something about the giants, these physical creatures that and big, these weird things, it's like you can pick up some. It's like you can see something in the physical world that validates. the weirder parts of the Bible. Well, proof of the flood, I think, would be in the same category when you realize that there certainly was a global cataclysm, just like the Bible describes. But I think what's more eye-opening than realizing that giants did exist, because the Bible's not the only ancient document that asserts that giants existed. What's really eye-opening is when you begin to understand the gospel, and you see the story of the gospel, and you really, realize who Christ was. And you realize who we were supposed to be, who Adam was. And then you see all

the prophecies pertaining to Jesus of Nazareth prophesied thousands of years before he shows up on the scene. I mean, things that were prophesied to the day, like when he entered Jerusalem on the donkey and was hailed as Hosanna and the great king. You know, things that were prophesied to the day. That's when you really, when you really begin to absorb that, that's really the stuff that, that to me validates the scriptures, more than giants, more than anything else. That's the stuff that really will blow your mind when you begin. I'm not saying that you guys do, I'm sure you do, but when you begin to realize this story of mankind from the beginning all the way back to Adam, and then you build around the narrative of the gospel, all these other weird things.

like giants and the big foot and the, in the, in the UFOs, and start to add those into the equation, then things get really weird. And, you know, and that's really an awakening, I think. Maybe it's the violence, because I think for a lot of people, it's the violence in the Old Testament doesn't make any sense to people. Yes, that's certainly true. That's certainly a problem for a lot of people. And then when they plug in the hybrid component into that equation, it makes sense to them and because why would God condone, indeed, command, a mandate the extermination of a whole people group. Yeah. Well, because they were hybrids and because they were, they had hybrids breeding with them and the, and the objective of the hybrids, the hybrids were hostile to the human race

and almost led to the annihilation of the human species before the flood. So when you start to understand that, you realize if the human species is going to persist in the earth and the Christ is going to come, the Savior of mankind, then this abominable seed of the watchers must be eradicated and kept in check. Exactly. See, and what that does is it makes the whole Bible valid. We have this parts of the church now. They're just saying, oh, you can only really trust the New Testament.

You know, you have like, what is it, Andy Stanley, his son's like, we don't want to believe in the Old Testament anymore. You know, any of that, heard any of that stuff? Oh, I know that the emergent church is not excited about the Old Testament. The whole Bible makes sense. Once you realize that all of it is it needs to be included and it all works together and it all makes sense, then it's like, but I think the violence is just a huge part. People go, I think, no, I think you're right. I think as it pertains specifically to the genocide of the Canaanites, you're absolutely right.

There's a lot of people who can't get over that. And when you plug in the Nephilim, when you plug in the offspring of the watchers and that whole Genesis 6 Enoch scenario, it makes sense. It answers the question of why that happened. And it alleviates people's concerns with what they thought of as a very vindictive bloodthirsty God, capricious God who just wants to commit genocide. and, you know, is condoning this terrible massacre. But as soon as you put the pieces together, you understand why that's happening. And again, that for a lot of people, I've heard that too, that for a lot of people, is enough for them to get over that and to say, okay, that makes sense.

Now I can accept the rest of the biblical narrative and the premise of Scripture. Yeah, I mean, you spent two years writing a book about this, and it just showed up at my door, birthright. I got it. I'm excited to read it. I appreciate you coming on our show and dropping all this stuff.

We could talk forever. I know I could talk forever about it. Yeah, it's always fun talking about this stuff. And I don't want to pretend like I'm some guy with all these answers. I'm just a guy with a ton of questions. And sometimes questions are funer than answers. And so it's fun to kick these things around. You know, and we've only just cracked the,

crack the lid on this. You know, you really want to do a deep dive. Giants is one thing. Sasquatch is another. But the alien question, I think, is the deepest deep dive right now. So maybe we can, maybe we can have an alien conversation. We'll have to do that. We'll have to do the third round. That's the blurry creature that's coming. That's for sure. And that's what we call the creatures, you know, blurry creatures, because we wanted to stay in the creature space and kind of give our show some sort of framework. Because otherwise, you're just a conspiracy theory show. And then you can, you could talk about all kinds of political stuff. And we try to stick with the creatures.

Yeah, it's fun. But I was, I think, I think, Tim, what, Tim, what you said, though, I think is so much like our mantra as well here is that, like, we just want to ask the questions. I don't think we ever come to this space or to this platform and, and try to act like we have all the answers. But I think a lot of people don't ask the questions. And, and don't go any deeper into, into the meaning, into the context, uh, into why and how.

And I'm just thank you for your time because this is, I think more people need to be asking these questions. And like you said, it's so funny, the 1800s and we covered that. And then I think everything's full circle now. Like so much today is is about the narrative and not about the facts. And people want to push their narrative. Just like they were trying to sell papers in 1800s. They're trying to get the clicks today. Exactly.

And I don't think anybody's not enough people are looking for the truth and not enough people asking the questions. People want to own the space. There's a lot of people out there who want to own the Nephilim space or the want to own, you know, whatever. They want to kind of be the king of the hill and it can get pretty complicated. But let me just say, you know, to clarify one thing, then probably some people are going to walk away getting the wrong impression. When I say I don't like the term supernatural or interdimensional, believe me, I believe every miracle written about in the scriptures. Absolutely, 100%. I don't, I'm not one of those people who looked at the scriptures and tries to downplay the

miraculous things that took place. I absolutely believe, you know, you're talking about Jesus and multiplying the lows and the fish and so forth and all of the prophetic stuff that I believe that that is all absolutely true. But, you know, when I talk about the supernatural, supernatural, just like the term fallen angel, is a contrivance and it's used too broadly to explain away things that require some depth of thought and patience like the things that we talked about today. And too, too often people will say, oh, I understand exactly what the, you know, the big foot is. It's a supernatural creature. And that's it. That's the explanation. They feel like, you know, that's it. Then close the book.

And they've solved it. Yeah. And that's why that's what I, that's what I don't like. So and I'm not by any means saying that that's what you, how you guys think. Well, no. No, but I think it's just asking. I mean, again, it's the question. It's easy to paint a broad brush of ambiguity instead of really asking the question. And so, you know, I mean, I think it fits into the order of the way of creation. And so I think putting things in those contexts is very important. No, so I'm with you. I mean, I, yeah, terms are too ambiguous sometimes and too often are are presented as solutions to to questions. Yeah. It's cheating. It's not good research. It's not a good investigation. I mean, you guys, you guys aren't satisfied with just saying, oh, we figured out the

Bigfoot is. It's just a supernatural creature. It's like, no, you want to find one. You want to see one. Yeah. Yeah. You know, you want, you want, you want to understand exactly what it is and how it, what does it do? Does it reproduce? What does it eat? Where does it live? You know, that's, those are the kind of questions that I think people who have, who just answer supernatural, underdimensional, they stop. It's like they hit a wall. And the inquiry stops because they've solved it. And I just, that's, that's what I'm doing. Yeah. We're more just saying these are, these are the things you have to include in the conversation. Like, I think the definitive things we would say is Bigfoot's real. aliens, UFOs are real.

You know, giants, ancient giants are real. So then let's set up those fences. Right. And speaking of discoveries, Nate just wants to find a 30-foot job. For as long as we're being honest. I wouldn't want to find a giant of any size of living. I think dead. I think it's his preference. People say that I don't know a buttload of crap about the gospel, but I do. All right.

Are you listening out there? Tim, I got your book. it's birthright, you can get it on Amazon, right? Yeah, it's the only place that's available right now is Amazon.com. And by the way, I do address a lot of of these things that we talk about in the book. So I cover a lot

of this ground in great detail. I talk about the Nephilim. I talk about the giants. I talk about the Watchers. Talk about the Book of Enoch. You know, I talk about aliens. So it's very blurry creatures, friendly territory. Love it. Yeah, so we'll do the part three of the trilogy

on aliens to be continued. Oh boy. But yeah man, thanks so much. Yeah, thank you gentlemen. Next time. Appreciate it. Have a good evening, guys. You too. You too. Anytime.