Blurry Creatures - EP 212: The Plane Portal with Ashton Forbes

Episode Date: December 28, 2023

Join investigative journalist Ashton Forbes on a gripping journey as he delves into the perplexing disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370. In this episode, Forbes breaks down the enigma surrounding the vanishing plane and explores various theories and unanswered questions that continue to baffle curious minds. Recent orb videos have surfaced, suggesting that Flight MH370 might have encountered something beyond our understanding—a mysterious portal of sorts. Could this explain the inexplicable disappearance of the aircraft? Support the show! www.blurrycreatures.com/members Intro Song: Dreamkid83 Socials instagram.com/blurrycreatures facebook.com/blurrycreatures twitter.com/blurrycreatures Music Kyle Monroe: tinytaperoom.com Aaron Green: https://www.instagram.com/aaronkgreen/ Outro Song: TimeCop1983: timecop1983.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And then it was until later that we realized, well, these UFOs or these orbs we see are traveling at nearly Mach 3 speed. So this plane is not outrunning them, no chance, right? And they're filming before these orbs even show up as well. But, you know, either they got extremely lucky and we're like, hey, let's have our drone and our SIGAN system and potentially there's AWACs in the area controlling these that are looking down as well. We just have our satellites stare at it, right? Either they got extremely lucky and caught this event, this anomalous event happened, or this was an operation. The strongest evidence to me is looking at the drone video. So when you look at the drone video, the operator zooms in and it's like they're trying to collect as much intelligence as they can about this event.

And then they zoom out right before this endothermic event happens. They know what's about to happen. The history of our earth is so different from what we can imagine. It's a Smithsonian that if they found out about a large skeleton somewhere was to go get it. I'm going to assume at least one person is right. Because if one person's right to bust the paradigm, it all goes back to the fallen chair. And the problem with the modern day church, they have a very truncated view of the supernatural. This backdrop is just pregnant with all kinds.

of meaning associated with this Mount Herman event. And this guy defects from the kingdom. That's a big deal. Preachers, today we have a good, fun episode of raw, like, you know, one of those mind-breaking episodes. We talk a lot about, I think on our show, we get into speculative realms a lot. We talk about these things. We take something we know to be true about the Bible and we kind of try to figure out,

all right, we have this little sliver of information. How do we make sense of this, this, this, topic here and flight MH370 the Malaysian flight that went disappearing, just disappeared in 2014. We are bringing on Ashton Forbes, who's sort of been the spear point of breaking the news and finding the data and kind of got swept into this, kind of got manic about this whole case in videos that were taken showing this airplane going from our realm to somewhere else or going through a portal of some kind. I mean, it's cleared his day on the video, and he spends this whole episode debunking how all the naysayers and all the critics that these are faked.

And Nate is a wild story. This is something that's kind of been on my radar. There's documentaries out of MH370, tons of theories and speculations. A lot of questions on how does a Boeing 777 just disappear. And this is one of the great mysteries really of, you know, of this generation is how does that even happen this day and age when we've got, you know, inch by inch millimeter by millimeter satellite spy satellite coverage of the surface of the earth? How do you, how do you lose? Yeah. You know, an airliner. And sadly, you know, 239 people lost their lives. Yeah. And this is what's fascinating. This story has been, to me, it's a lot like the UAP disclosure and the House Oversight Committee. This story is out there and it just hasn't gotten coverage or it's

not blipping enough on the social, sort of the social consciousness for whatever reason. But Ashton Forbes is out there and he really is the mouthpiece and been the tip of the spear, as you said, for this investigation. And him, he's a citizen journalist and he and his entire community have been running down real evidence and evidence is leaked. And he's going to run us through what is happening. And this has potential to be the biggest whistleblow other than the existence of UAPs that we, that we're going to see in our lifetime. We know, we got some of that JFK leak and people didn't really seem to care that we essentially

said that, you know, there's essentially files in our government in a FOIA Act that said that the CIA and our theater agencies were involved in the assassination of American president. Huge deal. And this, you know, this along with the disclosure, we write about on the show. with House Oversight committees, looking into the UAPs, UFOs. This ties into that. And so this is very blurry, very, very, if you will. So grateful that Ashton Forbes is going to spend some time with us today

and break down what's been going on. This has been a multi-year investigation for him, a passion of his, and they are very, very close to breaking perhaps the biggest story of the century. Yeah. If you love true crime and you love blurry creatures, Welcome to your favorite episode of someone who has the same kind of passion to break down the data and the evidence. And it's trickling in. So hop in, you're kind of entering season two.

We try to take you back to the backstory of season one and how he got into this. But kind of where we are up to speed with this mystery and what's going on. And maybe perhaps it's not as mysterious as we think. Maybe that the whys are the hardest parts of the story. But is this happening? And what do we actually know? I don't know, Luke. We are now entering more of a Twilight Zone type episode.

I guess you can call it the Boeing Zone. Well played, my friend. Well played. Well played. All right. Let's get Ashton on this one. And once again, if you want to sponsor the show, FloridaeCreatures.com slash members become a member.

Can't say thanks to all the people. And up to all the people who sponsor the show. Keep this happening. Here we are in the middle of the day. Working hard to give you the juice. Drug it down. I'll take those downsments. Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 disappeared on March 8th, 2014.

For those who don't know, the Blurry Creatures listeners, we have Ashton Ford's with us, who's a citizen journalist who's been kind of, like he said, sort of heading up this sort of investigation into this in MH370X. Most of the data is happening on YouTube and Twitter. Now, X. Welcome to the podcast. Welcome to Blurry Creatures. Just to give you a little background on what we do.

do. We talk creatures. We talk all things Bigfoot to aliens and UFOs and all the weird, blurry stuff in between. So our listeners are pretty open-minded. You can throw whatever you want at them. We hear some pretty wild stuff on our show. So welcome to the podcast. And maybe for people who don't know, maybe give a little, a little crash course, but you can hit us with the heavy, your theories, anything strange out of the box. I mean, although we try to stay academic and with the data, and we have some pretty wild stuff on our show. So. And I would say too, Ashton, this is, I became familiar with your work. I was sitting around with some buddies here.

We're in Tennessee outside of Franklin, Tennessee. One night smoking cigars around a fire. And one of my buddies is like, you got to see this on X, what's talking about in MH370. And, you know, of course, there's been documentaries out. And this was March 8, 2014. So we're almost, you know, we're going to be coming up on 10 years since this thing disappeared. And if you're not familiar with this, I don't know where you've been living, if you're listening to the show. But you sent me some of the initial stuff you were working on.

And it is wild. There are, and I love to have, if you could, as Nate said, if you could sort of unpack just briefly, I know you've done this a million times, and so apologies, but for people that listen to our show that know about the plane, and if you didn't, everyone who was alive heard about, you know, we have a commercial jetliner just disappeared.

You know, no debris field, no oil slicks. Countries sent out, multiple countries sent out, tons of search parties and found nothing. One of the great mysteries of our time. And perhaps, maybe the one of the biggest conspirators, of any out there based on some of the things that you've uncovered. So if you could, I would love just a recap of the things you found because this does fit squarely into the places that we all that we, you know, we go, Nate.

They're advanced technology, advanced, you know, aerospace technology, portals, orbs. These things are things we've talked about. And our audience are all there with. But this is wild because it connects with something, this with this huge international story, international mystery, you know, and then you have sort of the government element as well. I know that one of the things you did, Ashton, was write an open letter to Congress about this, sort of revealing the things you found. But I want to let you tell a little bit about that. And then, of course, you just started us out with the most recent stuff. Yeah. So, and first of all, I want to say that everything I've been revealing is public information. It's all out there. So that's what's kind of incredible about this case is that I've had, well, other than potentially the pictures and the videos that we're trying to crack right now. But other than that, everything else has been out there. It's not like I have any secret information or anything like that. I've told people that I'm a government contractor through my job, but that's mostly just to establish my credibility.

Actually, it's entirely to establish my credibility. I don't have any secrets or anything like that. It's not even my industry that I work in. I work in healthcare. But I have been passionate, I guess you could say, about this case just because I, you know, I knew even before we saw these videos that the United States government had to know more about what happened to this plane. Story doesn't make any sense. We've got satellites everywhere. there's no way we wouldn't see a 777 crashing into the ocean.

The official search literally finds nothing, right? And people out there who are listening have to realize there's a difference between what the official explanation is and what the narratives are. Quite different, okay? Official explanation is we don't know what happened to this plane. That's the official story. Official report also says that everybody has stood up for the pilot. They don't say it's pilot suicide.

These are narratives that have been pushed out there. The fact that this plane crashed in the South Indian Ocean is a narrative that's out there. This is not some factual-based thing. There's actually no facts that support this. And that's where things immediately start to break down when you look into this case, is that you can't have a 777 crash into the ocean without leaving a debris field. You can't have a thing where you say, we know where it crash, but you can't find any black boxes. Black boxes are sending out signals that signals travel through water very well.

They should have been able to find these black boxes, assuming that these Emersat Pings that came out months later, are accurate. When you're trying to search for a plane that crash in the ocean, you don't obfuscate what's happening with the search and where the plane went. You don't obfuscate radar data. You don't obfuscate satellite pins. These are types of things that if you're being open and honest, you reveal instantly the next day, right? There might be people on boats somewhere. They need to be rescued. You can't have a plane crash into the ocean without leaving an acoustic sound. Sometimes it feels like when you get that phone bill, it's like the crash site document. You can't read it. There's a bunch numbers, random fees, vague language, stuff's blacked out. You're like, what am I actually paying for?

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There's other acoustic systems, Western Australia and Diego Garcia had hydrophones. People looked in the Diego Garcia hydrophone data. There's no detections for a plane crashing. There's no witnesses that saw a plane in that area in the South Indian Ocean, despite the climate crashing in the early morning hours. this idea that the ocean is really big is something as well that people who just like don't think critically come up with. The plane is supposedly ran out of fuel. There's nowhere else for the plane to actually go.

It's not like a situation where this plane's going to some magical la-la land where no one's looking, right? And as part of this investigation, we've shown that not only there's satellites essentially everywhere, the United States government is mapping the entire world with infrared satellites, global persistent infrared surveillance from Lockheed Martin. Just think about what those words mean. mean and you can watch them scan if you just google sibbers space based infrared system it's literally one of the top two hits on the video if you click over the videos tab and google you'll find the video that just shows them scanning the whole world all the time like how can you not see a 777 crashing into the ocean on the debris field it's going to be like if not tens of miles maybe even hundreds of miles

wide with the debris field planes aren't made of like heavy material they're made of very light materials that float almost most of the parts should have floated bodies were floated luggage is going to be floating. The fact that the official most expensive search in history doesn't find one piece of debris above or below water should be some pretty big red flags for people. And they go, oh, well, a year and a half later, some debris washed up and we've tied it to the plane. So that case closed, the tiny amounts of debris, there's like three pieces connected to the plane.

They don't even use a unique serial number for it. The one flapperon, they find this flapperon. They take a picture of it that makes it look really huge from like an egg. just an optical illusion. And then they go, oh, well, we tied it to a serial number. And so if you just Google this, you find out that they didn't use a unique serial number. They used a part number. The unique serial plate that's supposed to be on this flap around, it's bolted in.

It's just mysteriously missing. Like, come on, guys. Let's use our critical thinking skills here. And this doesn't mean that that's not from MH370. It just means it's not as conclusive if people have made it out to be where, you know, this means it's been crashed into the ocean. If you add up to three pieces of debris, it's far less than even 1% of the plane. You know, we should have found a huge debris field.

We should have found this plane somewhere. This plane didn't just sink into the ocean and fully intact. There's no chance of that. Part of this investigation we've shown as well that even on a controlled descent, the moment the wing hits the water in the ocean, this thing's going to rip apart and just tumble and just crash. Like, this is not a Sully Sullenberger situation. Even that was a miracle. And that's the Hudson River, which is a thing.

is much less, the waves are much more calm there. And we have very shallow, like kind of shallow sides where you can get to the side of the banks much easier than the middle of the ocean. So, and just I'm going to say one more thing about the pilot suicide narrative. The FBI uses some, or simulator plot points to try to say that this was a suicide route. This is also completely bogus. The route they use is actually just the real MH-150 route to Jeddah that the guy was actually scheduled to fly on February 4th, 2014.

and the plot points were from one or two days earlier. He was literally just practiced this route to Jeddah. And then they say, oh, well, we also found diversion points. Like, have they even tied these diversion points to that route? Like, they're just taking disparate data and trying to tie it together and then claim that, oh, well, this matches this route. Not to mention that the route to Jeddah goes from Kual Lumpur. It doesn't even account for flying over to the South China Sea,

then back across the country and then going to the Andaman Sea. Like, the whole thing just seems like a giant fabrication to try to vilify this pilot and come up with a story that just doesn't make any sense. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, and obviously I've done a lot of video editing in the past. I do a lot of video editing for the podcast. And the most convincing piece, once we go to the video stuff, is how wild those videos are. And, you know, you see, I mean, I'm sure you're going to get into it, but, you know, I'm glad you kind of lay out because there's so many skeptics in these fields. Every time we talk about anything on our show, we have the army

of skeptics come. Every time we post a video, whether it's about, Sasquatch or whatever, you know, I understand. And we don't post a lot of things because we don't know. And we live in this age of AI and everything's fake. But these videos are incredible. And I love your analysis on YouTube specifically where you kind of break it down. You break down how you have multiple cameras. You have heat signatures. You have all the things that you can, and you, and you spend a lot of time debunking the haters. And I know when you, when you're working with places like Twitter and Reddit, you just have this army of people who, who almost think that, you know, there's no research, there's no effort, there's no time putting into anything that you post.

And it gets a little frustrating. It can wear you down. I can imagine you want to just throw it away sometimes and these people are nuts. Like, just leave me alone. And you have to kind of block people and you kind of move on. Like, hey, look, either you're on, are you on the train or not? I have established my credibility and we're moving forward. But can you talk a little about the videos? Because I think those are what most people in our channels, they just want to see the video. What's the video? Show me the video. I want to see. I want to hear it. Yeah, I think I want to address what you said first about Reddit and then my approach as well. I think you nailed it, which is like you're either on the train or you're not, right? Like a lot of people that seem to get just irrationally upset about being blocked as if this is some, like, you know, if I've done the worst thing in the world to them, right? It's like I have done nothing but just told you that you're not part of my community. Like that's the only thing I've done when I block people. And I think there's very telling that how upset people get at this idea, right? where people feel so entitled to use your community for their efforts, right?

And it kind of betrays their intentions is that what they're trying to do is sway opinion. They're not trying to solve anything or be productive or anything like that. And the people that I block, the people who just make condescending, rude comments all the time. I was saying in this space yesterday, the number of people that have actually posted what they got blocked for is literally zero. Not one person has ever posted it. Because the answer is 99.9% of them are being jackasses, right? and they know that they are. And they're not even holding themselves to the same standard.

A lot of these people, too, block me first. Some people block me just to post in my replies so that I can't see their replies when they post because they want to be rude and stuff. So, yeah, a lot of it's just very dishonest. And again, I'm just trying to build a community that's better than what the internet has become, which I find disgusting. And just as I want to say as well, that I think Reddit is probably the worst social media out there.

I prefer 4chan before I would go to Reddit. I think that's got the worst people on the planet that are there that hide behind anonymity. And I think that Reddit is the biggest source of misinformation on the planet right now and probably the number one radicalizer of terrorists on the planet right now just because of the way that it causes this hive mind think where people are more concerned about how you make them feel than the truth. This is how you radicalize terrorists. And I think that as time goes on, it's a very dangerous place. I honestly believe Reddit should be shut down. That's how scary. I think it's honestly become. And I think it'll go and get worse. But that being said, I tweeted a couple of months ago.

Reddit as a sciop. And now I think the tweet was accurate. Isn't it bought by China anyway from what I heard? Not really sure, but I mean, I don't, and I wouldn't judge based on who owns it so much is what you see from the content, right? I think that you can see the radicalization that's out there on pretty much every forum now, the way that anyone who goes against the grain is censored and deleted and banned, which is ironic considering the people who argue about getting blocked.

Like getting blocked by one individual's, complete different situations, I mean completely banned off the platform, right? And I think a lot of people would, you know, agree and nod their heads that, yeah, you know, people would be in black, banned in fact, our whole subreddit got banned from Reddit. Because I made a subreddit that was called literally MH370X, which is, I think, of an appropriate name for what we were trying to do. And without any explanation or warning, we just got completely banned. And before breaking the moderator rules, which doesn't make any sense because there's literally

subredits to just ban people for making comments on certain other subredits, right? And somehow those subredits don't get banned. especially during COVID, it was a huge thing. We kind of learned from Elon Musk a little bit by how Twitter was kind of operating in a similar way a couple years ago, you know. And so we know that like I think these websites start out innocence and tech guys create it and information starts flowing

and then they get bought purchase, whether they get bought by, you know, three-letter agencies and then they get controlled. And I think, you know, for a while there, you know, Twitter was in the same space. And I think Elon's trying to get it back to just, hey, we offer everything here. But that's another rabbit hole, but I think that we deal with a lot of it in our channels,

you know, all the time. And it wears you down. Ashton, and to kind of get back to what we were talking about, I think he made a really interesting point that I hadn't thought of. And that is a Titan mini sub, right? I think those two things can be very closely related when we talk about MH370, because what you realize with that is how long, how the government knew, the U.S. government knew this thing popped and how long they set on that. And the only difference here is that we knew you had, you knew exactly where this thing was, it was the Titanic's. You couldn't really disappear this thing in the same way maybe the

MH370 was disappeared. But you realize that they let this narrative roll on, oh, they're banging on it and, you know, you can hear the pinging and the oxygen. They being the powers that be the control that have the information number one as far as as the government technology, but two, also having the sort of the megaphone let this thing ramp up and roll on its own when they already knew the outcome. And I think it's fascinating because there's a real word when we know how it ended and we know they knew. And you're a part of this community and really sort of the vocal part of this community to solve this MH370 mystery. And I like to how you started this because you started going through the narratives, right? Like I watched the dock that's out there. And the same guy finds all the

pieces of the plane. And you're like, what are the odds of that, number one, right? And then two, as you said, I like you point out that they're just part numbers. These parts exist on all 777s. They're not uniquely tied necessarily without a unique serial number to this actual aircraft. And that is scary. And I think all this is scary because we don't really have anything. And so as Nate said, I would love you to jump into the videos because I think it's fascinating too. And this is what I think is really interesting is this is all public.

And to me, this kind of feels like the UAP thing as well, where all this stuff is accessible and public. and yet for whatever reason, people don't seem to care. In fact, they seem to care more about posturing on Reddit and on the other social media things and sort of fighting over, you know, these narratives and also entitlement sort of situations. They do actually get into the truth, which is really a sad statement about the current status of our society and civilization, if you will. But I digress again, people haven't seen this. Again, just check out what Ashton has on X because there are multiple threads and also on YouTube where he breaks us down. But for our listeners that aren't familiar with your work, talk with this because this falls into the realm of wild tech that we talk about on our show when we get to sort of advanced aerospace technology that is either being recovered, reverse engineered.

It's amazing and terrifying at the same time. Yeah. My last comment on the red stuff is that, like, again, it's, for a lot of those people, it's about how you make them feel, not about the facts, right? It's just feelings over facts. And I mean, I think that that's why we have all this emotion-based conversation as opposed to factual-based conversation. If you were to go into the spaces that I've been in about UAPs, like so much of it is just

middle school drama stuff. No one's even talking about what's going on, right? And that's sad. I think there's a lot of good people that are out there, but there's a lot of people that are not. And then with the SOSA system thing, that's a really good point because that was a huge clue in terms of how they would act about a situation where they knew information and then they didn't reveal it and just let the media go and lie like it. It gave it. It kind of gave the game away a little bit. You said this place was steps from the water.

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This is as much as I can shorten it that's out there, but I will abbreviate and read parts of it. Also, what I would ask, I don't know if you can pull stuff up, but one thing you might want to pull up is go to my, YouTube page, which is also just at JustX Ashton. There's a satellite explainer video because of your side can have sound. We could play that. It's only two minutes long. It actually explains the satellite video pretty well and shows a lot of the evidence. If you want to pull that up while I'm reading this. So I want to keep in mind, my letter to Congress, I wrote this October 21st. So this is almost two months

outdated at this point. Investigations proceeded pretty far, but still very relevant, which I think goes to show the way to the evidence. So I said, Dear Congress, my name is Ashton Forbes. I'm currently disclosing the most important videos in the history of the world. All the information is publicly available. I will like to state that I have a top secret U.S. government clearance as part of my job as a contractor. My job has nothing to do with advanced technology. I'm just stating this to establish my credibility. I'm not bound by an NDA. This is not a hoax, disinformation or misinformation. You don't need to believe me because everything is verifiable. I am requesting a public hearing. I'm willing to testify in front of Congress as to the authenticity of the videos and explain every

single aspect of them. I would invite physics experts to validate the science on display. The videos in question are that of the true fate of Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 on March 7, 2014 at 1840 UTC in the Nicobar Islands. One is of an MQ1C Grey Eagle with a thermal layer added by the leaker. And right now we actually think that there might be some chance it's an MQ9, which is a just very similar variant of that same type of drone. And then the other is a 3D battlefield space produced by Sibbers, space-based infrared system via signal intelligence, using data from spy satellite USA 229, which has a sister satellite next to it classified as debris. This allows for the proven 3D stereoscopic imagery we see in the satellite video.

The oldest archive versions of the video we could find come from Regicide anon, a UFO video uploader who uploaded unrelated videos previously indicating that they are not the source. Higher quality versions were released on other UFO uploaders on YouTube later on on indicating that neither is the source. The dates are damning. The satellite video, it says received March 12th, 2014. It says uploaded May 19th, 2014. So this is either just four days after or 72 days after the event.

Our recent leak that has been going on right now shows that these videos might be as old as just one or two days after the incident. The MQ1C Grey Eagle videos. has received June 5th, 2014, uploaded June 13th, 2014. So why now, many ask? Because only in 2023 do we have the basis to understand the videos to be real. We needed the 2017 DoD Navy UAP videos to understand what Fleer footage looks like, forward-looking infrared.

The 2019 Trump satellite picture to understand these capabilities. The 2020-plus scientific papers that show wormholes are humanly traversed, reversible. LK99 shows that the emergence of superconductivity is about to happen, as well as, finally, we need to understand AI in general use, such as chat GPT. Without all of these things, the MH370 videos seem like magic. So we know the location of the videos, because the investigative group I started, MH370X, satellite experts, used amateur historical trajectories to identify the correct satellite in the correct position to take the 3D stereoscopic imagery we see. We can see six sex of coordinates in the satellite video, which we have incorrectly thought we're in the

South Indian Ocean, until we were realized that the only possible location was the Nicobar Islands, because the plane is turning left in both videos and due to the coordinate shifts. This means that the plane is turning south into the east. The satellite and the witness, Catherine T, indicate the time is 1840 UTC, March 7, 2014. So that's kind of the intro into that. And if you want to play that satellite video that you were about to pull up, I have only done about two different explainers. One of them is the satellite video explainer,

which goes through a lot of this evidence very quickly in under two minutes, as well a flight path explainer. Actually, you can play both of them if you want, and that might just save me a little bit of breath. Yeah, yeah. This is the first time I've ever tried this. So I had to rip it off YouTube real quick, but here's this one.

And then I think I found the right one. Hello, everyone. This is Ashton Forbes here to bring you the MH370X satellite video explainer. Our organization was able to recreate the satellite position using amateur trajectories available on the internet. USA 229 was in the correct position at the Nicobar Islands around 1840 UTC, capable of taking 3D stereoscopic footage with its pair of satellites. USA229 is a pair of SIGAN, Signals Intelligence satellites, launched in 2011, the same year as USA224, which took the Trump satellite picture he posted on Twitter in 2019. The SIGAN system connects assets by an interconnected network of shared data. If you Google SIGANT payload, the top link references the MQ1C Grey Eagle, the asset in our drone video.

In the day five press conference, the Malaysian Minister of Defense has asked, there are U.S. spy satellites over the regions. Are we in touch with them? To which he responds, yes, yes. Yes, they are U.S. spy satellites over the regions. Are we in touch with them? Yes, we are in touch with. Sibbers is a space-based infrared system, which conducts global, persistent,

infrared surveillance. Officials at the 460th Space Wing also confirmed Sibbers provide technical data to the intelligence community to help solve the mystery of MH370. The coordinates in the bottom left of the satellite video indicate the location to be near the Nicobar Islands. The satellite designation in the video says NROL 22, not NROL 33, as claimed in the false newsweek in France 24 debunks. NRL 22 is presumed to be the command satellite. It was sent into space in 2006 at the start of the service program. The Regisodon side-by-side videos have been proven to be stereoscopic with clear parallax. We have even been able to convert them to actual 3D. In the satellite video, the MQ1C Grey Eagle drone is cropped out of view at the top of the screen.

The mouse we see is moving at 24 frames per second, but the background is 6 frames per second, indicating a citric session logged into the actual spy satellite database. The mouse moving off the screen in multiple directions and six frames per second background is evidence of a large field of view on a computer-generated battlefield map. The second orb appears to come from the water and shoot up through the clouds. Unlike the Trump satellite image, the MH370 satellite video does not show any shadows, meaning this video is likely shot at nighttime using a false color IR. The orbs form an equilateral triangle, consistent with a 120-degree zero-point sinusoidal pattern. The pattern changes orientations about halfway through the sequence and becomes vertical, showing purpose. The zap we see

accurately illuminates the detailed volumetric cumulus clouds in both the foreground and the background. It's wild. It's wild for those audio listeners. I mean, basically, you know, you can see these three orbs kind of come up. They do a triangle thing and then they kind of go vertical. And then all of a sudden there's this flash of light. The plane's gone. And in the video, you say you can see this around and the frames per second change versus the mouse and you know the plane itself and you can also see the trail off the back of the plane so there's there's so many things here going on I'd love to talk about it it kind of reminds me of when everyone got into like making a murderer you know that on Netflix if you watch that like you're kind of you're knee deep in the data and you're waiting

for any new information to trickle out when you get obsessed about something I got really into that show you kind of seen all but you were like, you know, all the data they came out and you were following it forever and it was this crazy injustice and you feel this poll to like to like educate the public of like, dude, this guy and there's a lot of similar themes when people are trying to cover up stuff. There's this weird false evidence that's being planted into the story and anyone and also the serial podcast got big and there's a bunch of these things. People love true crime. But you see these similar narratives where there's so many weird out-of-place evidence trails to get put into this.

But, I mean, these are some crazy videos. And I've seen them. And it's great to hear you break them down because a lot of the stuff gets sent to us. And I sit on it for a while. Like, I don't know. Should we post this? Should we not post this? I'd love to hear more about it.

But these are, these looks like three orbs that send this plane from our world to somewhere else or some other dimension. It's bananas. I've never seen anything like this. Yeah, and I think I, the approach that I've taken is similar to those shows that you mentioned, true crime shows where I look at myself as an investigator. That's why I chose that terminology is for that exact reasons. I look at this like criminal case. And in a criminal case, you have a lot of evidence.

You don't know what evidence is accurate, the different levels of credibility for different evidence. And what you're doing is you're building a story, right? And you're looking for what's the story that makes sense. And that's why I thought I knew it was very important that I'd be transparent from the beginning to now so that people can follow how the case and how the story. story has progressed in terms of how the evidence is unfolded because like you mentioned, evidence keeps coming in, right? And this story is constantly changing. People watch my confessional's podcast with Tony Merkel. I want to give him a shout out because he was the first

person to have me in and he was so respectful. Just let me kind of stay everything. Tony's a good friend of ours. Is he? Yeah, he is. So I'm I say hi. I love that guy. And that was a good one, but you can tell that I didn't have the same perspective I did then than I do now. Back then, I wasn't sure, is this some type of espionage event where we're preventing these free-scale engineers from getting to China and trying to steal them? Or was this some kind of anomalous UFO event? And then it was until later that we realized, well, these UFOs or these orbs we see are traveling at nearly Mach 3 speed. So this plane's not outrunning them. No chance, right? And then early on, I thought, well, maybe these orbs are interfering with the plane when it went

dark. But now we've pretty much ruled that out again for similar reasons that there's no way this plane could outrun them. We would have had this emergency event happening in the South China Sea, not in the Nicobar Islands, if that was the case. And we were able to figure out from this witness who's actually like right below the plane somewhere in the water there. This plane was glowing orange. And this was a huge clue. I kept wondering like, how could these orbs make this plane glow orange? It was simpler than that. There's a fire on board the plane. The fire is causing bromine, a halogen gas to have come out. from a chemical reaction with the halon fire extinguishing devices.

They're battling the lithium ion battery fire, which is the most by far, in my opinion, most plausible cause for this emergency event. Almost 500 pounds of lithium ion batteries in the cargo bay. These are extremely dangerous events. The dangerous runaway lithium ion battery fires. These can't be put out easily. So even in a small, tiny battery when these happen in the passenger area,

there's a certain like protocol where they have this special bag and they throw it in there, you just dump water on it, and you try to get them out. They happen over once per week still in the United States on domestic flights. That's just how often they're happening. Wishing you could be there live for the big game, soaking up the atmosphere in the crowd. But too often, life gets busy, or the price holds you back.

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In 2015, the FAA outlawed lithium-ion batteries in the cargo bay of passenger planes because of how dangerous they were, because so many planes were burning up because of them. So you've got this plane that's just ready to light up. Also, it was about 100 degrees that night. So if these batteries were too close to the landing gear, which heat up when they take off,

they could have initiated this runaway lithium ion battery fire. And then from that point, you've got all your crew desperately battling this just horrible situation where you're just praying that the fire doesn't break free from the cargo base, which they are built to withstand fires. But if it breaks free at all, your plane's not going to last very long. And you could play if you want. There's another one called the Flight Plath Explaner.

I think this one's very important because a lot of people that listen that don't know the background were probably like me, didn't really know where did this plane go? When it went dark, what happened? Is that when it crashed? Is that when it disappeared? People don't realize this plane still flew afterwards. And it flew for up to an hour and 20 minutes.

Now, it didn't fly for eight hours like the official narratives are saying. That really makes no sense whatsoever. Even in a suicide pilot scenario, like you're going to crash the plane right away. I don't know if people realize this, but I looked it up. The German wings guy, 2015, crashes the plane into a mountain. He did that less than 10 minutes after he locked out the co-pilot. This is not a situation where you go on some long flight and try to knock people out. When you are a suicide situation, you crash a plane right away.

Even 9-11, those planes are not flying for hours. They're hijacking them and they're crashing them immediately. And the people that fought back, UA-93, right, those heroes that forced the plane to crash in, I think it was Pennsylvania, you know, they found a way to get into the cabin. Now, granted, the cabin doors were changed. I believe the rules were changed in 2001 after that. This plane was produced in 2002. So they've said this plane had the stronger doors, but I'm pretty skeptical of that claim

because that would be quite a big turnaround, fast turnaround in order to get those new doors put in. And it's Malaysian Airlines, which, just to be honest with everybody, Malaysia is a third world country. I mean, I love Malaysia because I lived in Singapore and I know the people there and I feel for them, but it's not exactly up to date on all safety regulations. I got that flight path explainer. Yeah, let's watch this. Hello, everybody. This is Ashton Forbes here to bring you the MH370X, Flight Path Explaner.

The plane takes off at 1642 UTC from Kuala Lumpur, headed to Beijing. At 1719 UTC, the pilot says, Good Night Malaysian Airlines Flight 370. Around 1721 UTC, a lithium-ion battery fire explosion occurs and is seen by Mike McKay on an oil rig, 300 miles away. He sees fire for 5 to 10 seconds. Nine witnesses along the coast hear loud noises at the same time. The plane goes dark. In the case of a fire, the first response is to pull the main buses and restore the circuits one by one until you've isolated the bad one. If they pulled the buses, the plane would go silent. The plane heads towards Penang, La Cahu, International Airport. The pilot knew the train was

friendlier towards Launcawi, which was also closer than Kuala Lumpur. At 1730, UTC, there's a communication with another pilot who hears the voice of one of the pilots of MH370. At the same time, eight fishermen on a boat 10 miles off the coast, see the plane flying unusually low, consistent with a depressurization emergency event attempting to provide oxygen for the passengers. The Malaysian Minister of Defense claims the plane was not identified, but admits they knew it was a non-hostile civilian airliner. The plane flies over Lankawi at 1752 UTC when the co-pilot's cell phone pings a cell tower. the plane doesn't land either due to the fire or because they have communicated a rendezvous point.

The plane continues to the Nicobar Islands until around 1840 UTC when a witness, KT, sees a glowing orange plane with dark smoke coming out of it. This is consistent with the crew battling the lithium battery fire with halon fire suppression devices, releasing bromine a halogen gas. Soon after, the videos begin. They show smoke coming out of the back of the plane consistent with the fire. The plane is descending in the videos consistent with an intercepted, Chinese-only reported communication that claims the plane was attempting an emergency landing and disintegrating. The plane's altitude is low in the videos as proven by the cumulus clouds that only formed between 1,000 and 5,000 feet, also consistent with the witness is citing.

So the rest of it's silent here, and if so for audio listeners, this is as well we're seeing both videos perfectly in sync. We can see the orbs in both videos spinning around the plane. and then into thermal we see this endothermic events, which is this dark, cold event that's happening here. So this has been explained to me now by engineers and physicists that I've been interviewing and talking to that we're seeing a phase state change, transitional phase state change of the plane.

So we're not seeing a black hole here. Black hole would be sucking everything in. It's not an explosion. We would see parts flying. We would see the clouds blasting away. This is not stealth because we see the smoke trail stop behind the plane as well when the plane disappears. So as hard as this is to believe,

the most logical explanation is that this is some type of, if you want to think of it as quantum teleportation, you can, but it's a macroscopic event. So macroscopic phase conjugation is how it's been explained. Think of like a rubber band that's being stretched out, and then you let go of it, and now it's going to slingshot back,

but it's going to do so at superluminal speeds, potentially faster than the speed of light. The way the engineers have described it to me is that there could be a fourth orb. People actually have been now starting to call me Ashton four orbs, which I think is actually pretty funny play on words. The idea is that there's a fourth orb entangled to the previous three orbs that we see. And that when we see this, it's one engineer named Dave Rossi,

I actually explained it like hitting some jello and watching the jello kind of bounce back into its original location, which in my mind feels like the, when I look at the videos and all the evidence, it feels like the most proper explanation. If you talk to theoretical physicists, then they would say that you're seeing this transitional phase state change where the properties of this macroscale object obtain the properties of a quantum object and that the properties would denote the behavior. So once you've had this phase date change happen,

and both ways are done the same way, which is freeing the electrons from the atoms of the plane itself and allowing them to, once they become free, they will actually self-organize under the right conditions and create a matter wave. And so that you take this plane and you basically turn it into an atom in of itself. And once it obtains the properties of quantum,

now it has the behaviors of quantum, now you can have mass reduction. Once your mass becomes zero, now you can accelerate to the speed of lights, potentially even beyond the speed of light. And this is what we know from the double slit experiment, from non-locality, quantum entanglement, and quantum teleportation,

which has been proven many times over at this point. What this all requires is a unification theory of quantum and macro. People have always wondered, why does quantum objects act differently? Why do we see the double slit experiment where we have this wave function breakdown when we look at it versus we don't see that on the macro scale. Perhaps it's just a matter of us not understanding how they unify together. It's interesting like wild that there's this fire that's kind of going along and then this UFO event.

And we know kind of historically how, you know, there's no crisis that's wasted, right? So do you believe that they were trying to perhaps start a fire on this plane so they could do some other experiment on it? you know, like create some, and then they have a narrative, oh, well, it just caught on fire and and went down. Or are these UFO saving this flight? I mean, let's go the opposite direction. Are they, was this just a random fire that broke out? And these UFOs are trying to protect. Because, I mean, we've heard this on our show. There's a famous story about this guy, Gary Stearman has a big, he's a part of a big co-host of the show where he was going down in a plane World War II and a UFO came to him and help him land his

plane. So it's not, you know, we've heard both sides. What do you think? Like, yeah, I think that it even adds more credibility when I hear you say that because you've had the same exact thought process that I've had. And now, but you may not know all the evidence that we've dug into. And that's why I would say that those are both valid theories and narratives. To me, it's a matter of, okay, is this an espionage event where we started this fire intentionally to set this up later on? The problem I have with that is seems too complicated. If we're going to go through that effort, I would just teleport the plane in the South China Sea. I wouldn't start this fire up.

But if the batteries are for some reason a catalyst to that event, then maybe. But just the whole fire scenario in general, once we came to that conclusion from, you know, the glowing orange plane from the witness. And then we find out that there's 18 other witnesses that also corroborate the same event, including Mike McKay, who sees the plane on fire when it goes dark, eight fishermen on a boat who see the plane flying low right after because it's probably been depressurized and the captain's trying to, you know, give them enough oxygen. to me, then this presents a scenario of saving the plane, right? That's now the most likely motive here. And then it's a quite, but you could still argue, okay, if this is an espionage event,

they're trying to prevent these engineers from getting into China. If it's a saving them event, you could say they're trying to save this plane. If you believe in benevolent non-human intelligence, you could argue that they are trying to save this plane as well. I personally think that we can't really attribute human motivations to a non-human intelligence. My opinion is if there is non-human intelligence out there, which I haven't perfectly, you know, I haven't seen proof of, but I do believe David Grush, the whistleblower, spoke to Congress, that I think they wouldn't care about us.

My opinion is that they would treat us like we treat ants, right? I don't go around there trying to save every ant that's in trouble, though I do care about animals a lot. So, to me, that the most likely explanation is some type of human motivation related to this. And then a couple other scenarios could be that, well, if this plane is doomed because it can't land a Penang for whatever reason. One thing I didn't mention in that explainer is that we now hypothesize as well that maybe the landing, or the runway lights were off because it's 2 a.m. in a third world country on the airport that's technically closed for that night. They might have turned the runway lights off. So it may not even been able to safely land at the airport there. And they might have been desperately trying

to get in touch with them going, hey, turn the runway lights on. Turn the runway lights on. And then if you try to land in the water, again, this is going to rip apart. It's 2 a.m. There's no moon. There's like no light whatsoever. So it's going to be a disaster no matter what happens. In this situation, this pilot would have been trying to look for the least, the best way for these people to die. pretty much. I don't want to put it horribly, but that's the reality. And also, some of them might not even been alive at that point due to the toxic fumes coming from the fire due to the depressurization event where these masks, oxygen masks only last between 15 and 25 minutes. And I never

trusted oxygen masks at all to begin with. I'm actually afraid of flying. So I want to just go ahead and express my condolences right now to the families of the victims who I can't imagine what they've been through. And they've been getting lied to as well, just on top of it all. But the other scenario, too, could be like so they're trying to test this on this doom plane right if it's not proven technology we might be trying to test it the scenario i like the most now though is one that we've just come up with is what if there's just one person who's important enough to call in their rescue me button right they've got the you got to save me button they know the plane is effed and they're like hey you know maybe it's one of these engineers maybe it's even philip wood the ibm executive i i don't know

Chuck Norris is on that fight. Maybe it's like Chuck Norris scenario, right? Or the Oprah Winfrey scenario. Somebody who's connected enough that, you know, they get pulled in. So, because, you know, I don't know. I don't know what happened. A lot of people asked me, so where's the plane? What happened to the passengers?

Like, guys, I'm not psychic. I don't know. I can tell you what I'm seeing on these videos that we can explain that is, for some reason, matches the true events of the plane better than any story to date. But I can't tell you guys stuff that I don't know. What I can say is there was a B777 fire suppression device that washes up in the Maldives a couple weeks later. The Maldives gets intentionally excluded from the search. The Malaysian minister defense was clearly a liar.

So as well, we're not going to look into that. We've ruled out this fire suppression device. You can see there's a serial number on the fire suppression device in the pictures. You guys can Google this right now with people listening. Just Google B777 fire suppression device MH370. You can look at the picture. You can see the serial number. This is not like some generic looking object.

This thing is like 100% of fire suppression advice from a B777. Why would the Maldives get excluded from the search? Why would that even be a thing? They're literally right there in the Indian Ocean, right? And there was even a sighting early in the morning that claimed to be at 6.15 a.m. by like, I think, half a dozen or more islanders who see this jumbo jet flying so low and clearly they can make out the windows and they can make out the red and white stripe of Malaysian Airlines. I read Florence de Changi's book, who I'm in contact with her. I highly respect her as an investigator.

And the explanation is they think it's some other plane, but this other plane doesn't even have blue on it. And it's like less than half the size of 777. There's no way they mistook this other plane that was supposedly like in a similar area for MH370 flying so low that, again, trying to give the passengers enough oxygen to breathe. This would indicate that the plane didn't necessarily go to another dimension, didn't necessarily go to planet Zeno or wherever.

else, but potentially was just transported somewhere else on Earth and that, you know, people saw it and what have you. Now, there is a time. Time dilation is real. I don't know. I guess a lot of people don't realize this. And I didn't realize this before I saw the movie Interstellar and it started to blow my mind. But the time is a fluid symmetry, meaning think of space time as like a fabric and it can be bent

and it can be warped. And the reason why it's called space time is space and time are one and the same. And what this means is time will flow differently depending on where you are. So the reason why we experience time flowing the same is because we're all on planet Earth, which has a very similar amount of mass, depending no matter where you are. It's a sphere, right? If you were even to go into outer space, your time is actually going to go faster than people that are near the surface of the Earth.

It's a very minuscule difference, but there is a difference. When you start to experience this more is when you go near very, very, very large amounts of mass, say like a black hole. When you start to go near a black hole, your time is going to slow down a ton compared to somebody who's very far away from all mass, their time is going to move much faster. So what this means is the more mass, the slower your time is. The less mass, the faster your time is, the faster your speed is theoretically. So think of like why, a question would be, why do ants and flies move so quickly, right?

Despite the fact that they're so small, if you were to scale them up, they would be going at super speed, right? But the answer is the less mass, the faster your time is, therefore the faster something can theoretically move. Now this also then applies to our plane. If we can reduce the mass of the plane, now we can have the plane achieve superluminal speeds. So this could be your theoretical unification of quantum and macro. It's not that different things act differently based on size. Size is, does not matter. What matters is the properties of the object. Yeah, I think it's interesting. My question is like, why this plane, right, if we have plane crashes, these aren't, these aren't all the time

events, but the idea there's intervention here, what appears to be intervention at the least, is the interesting part. And you know, you've broken down some of the motives that there's, you know, 20 scientists from the same company that work on, I believe, superconductors or semiconductors. The VIP is very interesting, but it kind of begs the question that, you know, of the why, and it feels a lot more, at least from me, you talk about feeling earlier, but it feels a lot more like it was, you know, more human intervention than, than, you know, the non-human. And that's, that's really, that's really fascinating. And Nate, you made a good point. Like, we've got stories about sort of benevolent interactions with UFOs and, and people flying. But the big why is, like,

why this plane? And then, of course, where does it go? Right. Is your thing is if you speed it up, where does it end up at? And if this is a VIP in that scenario, who's sort of pushing the, you know, calling the red phone using their, they're, they're, they're getting out of jail free card. You know, what happens to everybody?

What happens to everybody else? Like, you know, that's, like, where's everybody? Where are all these people? Yeah,

and they're filming before these orbs even show up as well. But, you know, either they got extremely lucky and we're like, hey, let's have our drone and our SIGAN system and potentially there's AWACs in the area controlling these that are looking down as well. We just have our satellites stare at it,

right? Either they got extremely lucky and caught this event, this anomalous event happened or this was an operation. The strongest evidence to me is looking at drone video. When you look at the drone video, the operator zooms in and it's like they're trying to collect as much intelligence as they can about this event. And then they zoom out right before this endothermic event happens. They know it's like they know what's about to happen. And both videos, like the satellite one clearly looks like it was recorded after the fact. And they like close out

the window when they're doing the screen recording like right afterwards. So we can't tell much about the intention there. But from the drone video, that one must have done in real time. Right. And after they zoom out. It's like they just like, okay, it's time to go get lunch now. It's like if I'm, you know, after that thing happens, if I have no idea what's going on, I am going to be freaking out. Like I would be actually freaking out watching that in real time. So that's a part where it's like, why are they not like flying the drone around, looking around everywhere for it thinking like, yeah, it's an operation in my mind, right? And that's why early on for the first week I thought, okay, this must be non-human intelligence because I was freaking out looking at it going,

this technology, whatever we're seeing here, if this is real, is like a thousand years more advanced than we are at right now. And then as I started digging into that evidence, looking at it more with more a critical eye, that's when I'm like, wait a minute, this is an operation. This is our technology. And now I'm looking at Lockheed Martin going, hey, Lockheed Martin, time to fess up, man. What kind of orb tech are you rolling with here? And now I'm realizing it's not a thousand years more advanced. I mean, you could argue that it is, but it's maybe just 50 or 100 years more advanced and where we're at from the public perspective. And now it starts to get scary into the conspiracy side, right?

Where it's like, is there really a group of elites that know about this technology that's out there that's keeping it from the public for either personal reasons or the other reason would be that it's going to break people's minds. And then the last reason would be that it's for national defense because this technology, this is breakaway civilization level technology. Like you control the planet with this level of technology. Well, you can disappear a 777. And you can operate.

at speeds that would turn, you know, a human into applesauce as far as how fast those, that's the thing. You get in these mock speeds. It's like the Tick-Tac videos from the Nimitz, right? You can't move like that if there's a human at the, unless you're essentially distorting gravity or doing something that doesn't allow the G forces to be applied to a human body. That's the crazy, those are the crazy things that are happening because you're right. You go, this is breakaway civilization because if you have this, you know, you can't compete with conventional, sort of military. weapons and the like. It has become something completely different. And real quick, those

orbs we see there, we're seeing the non-radiating barrier there. We are not seeing a metal sphere there. We're seeing the bubble that's been created around them. And that is why they're able to move that they are, even without somebody in there. That object will be being ripped apart by the friction of air, right? Because it's moving at like 2,000 miles an hour. And yet it's not. It's completely ignoring gravity as well. We see it doesn't fall to the ground at all. And the reason is because once you have displaced this entire object and this non-radiating barrier, now it's mass is reduced to zero. Once the mass is reduced to zero, it's just floating freely, just like a bubble would be, but a bubble in space and time itself. And this is how it can go between the water and the air

and potentially space as well with having no friction whatsoever, no resistance. So you look, a lot like the UAP stuff, but come out of the ocean, come out of the intermedium, if you will. Well, a lot of people who have been on our show described, that's what happens when they feel like they've had an abduction episode. Their car, they're driving in a car, and it just feels like everything just pauses. It's like the car's moving, but it's not operating, you know?

And then they have like time loss and they don't understand what's going on. Why do you think the orbs change? Why do you think they go from one, one, you know, rotation to a different, like, are they prepping the plane for it? Yeah, my guess, looking at it is that they're scanning and mapping the plane

at first, at first, and that's why they're spinning around it, because we've actually graphed that. And you can see, first of all, this is like perfect wave pattern. That's why it's called a sinusoidal pattern, which is like, okay, now that tells us they're not little people

and they're flying that around. It's too perfect. It's got to be remote controlled or computer program or AI or something like that. And then it's also mapping in a sphere. If you look at it, it looks like the movie Contact when Jody Foster is sitting in the sphere thing

and starts spinning around. It actually looks a lot like that. A lot of people pointed that out. And this would indicate that their purpose is to map this plane. And then when it changes orientation, This is where it's getting ready to cause the singularity to happen for sure. A lot of people have argued you only need to be able to open this portal if you want to think of it like that in two-dimensional space, which is a weird physics concept, which I still haven't risen.

I mean, I'm not a physicist. So trying to learn all the sciences like definitely been the hardest part for me. But definitely the part where they converge on the plane. If you look at the drone video in the last frame, first of all, they start to converge on the plane. And this is in my mind where they're causing this singularity to happen. And the same way, if you were like jam magnets of opposite polarity together or the same polarity where they would repel, right, where you then have this very strong force, it's almost like they're doing that. And three is the minimum number you would need to create a, you know, like a triangle or something in two-dimensional space. So three might be the actual minimum number to be able to cause this event to happen.

And then in the final frame, right before the zap seems to happen, you can actually see the objects flatten, which would indicate a gravitational length. the benzene effect happening in the area between them, as well as you can actually watch the plane distort and blur. And this blurring, we believe, is because the plane's already beginning to accelerate towards the speed of light in the final frame, just like if you were trying to take a picture of somebody running really fast, right? So to me, that's, and those details are just, not to mention the forward facing, excuse me, gravity engines that we can see on the orbs.

At first, people are like, oh, what are these black trails that are coming behind the orbs? And then you look at it closely, you realize, wait, these trails are in front of the They're not even trails at all. These are like the geodesic that the, that the orbs are creating that they're running along, like train tracks on. And it's like, we've never seen anything like that UFOology. Like, I'm certain because I've been following UFOology for five or six years,

never seen any videos that were this compelling, never seen anything where like you could actually see the trails in front of any of these UFOs. So who would even have come up with these details? And this is, I'm not going to go through the list, but the list of faking this is so extensive. the time frame is so short that essentially rules out any hoaxing capabilities. Despite all these people who overestimate their skills claimant, I could have done this in a few hours. Well, if they could do that, they would have done it, right?

They would have done it if they could do this. They can't. That's the reality of it. And humans have this way of always overestimating their skills. Even I do so at my work, right, where I talk to my people and I go, yeah, I'll get that to you tomorrow. In fact, I was telling people that just the other day. Then sure enough, other stuff comes up.

You get distracted, you realize, oh, it takes a lot longer than I thought, right? So, yeah, a lot of these details, you'd have to have better understanding of science and so many physics PhDs, better understanding of engineering than people that actually even create these planes because the plane itself is actually maxing out the capabilities of 777200 wall in descent. If it wasn't descending, then what we'd be seen in these videos would actually be impossible for the plane. So it's like somebody perfectly scaled down the plane and its capabilities in two different synchronized videos. The math, the sinusoidal pattern, even that, like you'd have to, you'd have to, you. even set that up. You have to be a better math expert than a lot of people who are PhDs. So it's the amount of skill required to set this up isn't even just VFX. It's like you also have to know all this other stuff about science as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah, like an evil genius. Yeah. And then like, what's the motive for making this?

Yeah. Yeah, what is the motive? Exactly. Just who you're just getting off on trying to hoax? And how do they know we're never going to find a plane nine years later? Right? Because the moment we find a plane and this whole thing falls apart. Now there's all this efforts that you did where you're a PhD. and physics and math and engineering, all this just falls apart. So the weirdest part is, as hard as these videos are to believe, they tell a story that is more comprehensive than any other story by magnitudes. They use more evidence than anybody else's story uses without just trying to dismiss people and dismiss actual witnesses,

which is what all these officials, all these narratives that are out there, they all dismiss all the witnesses. They're like, well, you just can't rely on witnesses. Like, all these witnesses just made up these sight. Like, oh, well, the Emersat data is just, you know, isn't consistent. Well, the Amersat data wasn't released for months. If you look at the Emersat data, go look at the SU log tab like I did.

I feel like nobody has actually looked at it. Go scroll down to 1840 UTC. You know what you're going to see? A bunch of blank rows and zeros. It's like, wait a minute, what? Like, has anyone actually looked at this? Because one thing that I do know is databases and Excel spreadsheets. Because that actually is part of my job.

And there's nobody in my mind that can look at this and go, nothing, not think something anonymous, anomalous happened at 1839, 1840 UTC, which coincidentally is the same exact time and location we think this happened. Also the same exact time and location where supposedly the plane turned into the South Indian Ocean. So maybe it just didn't turn into the South Indian Ocean. Maybe it just did what we see in two synchronized videos. Yeah. So basically for all for all the dummies like me out there, you'd have to be, you know, an MIT mathematics genius, and you'd have to be able to be advanced in VFX and Hollywood graphics video.

So the chances of those two meeting, you'd be able to like come up with these fake videos and also have them mathematically perfect. And then do it for what, for like no variety? And have it just hidden for years. Not me, have me come and find it nine years later and start blasting it. Right, right.

Like there's literally nobody else is in the moment. sure Reddit put it out there. Some guy on Reddit, yeah. Some guy on Reddit debunked it, right? There we go. Yeah. And a lot of people get into conspiracy theories and they kind of email this stuff. And it's, I always say Ashton on our show, it's not as easy as we fake the moon landing. You know, if we faked the moon landing, there's a whole backstory of why we did it other than whatever you think you know. maybe we faked the version, but we actually went with some other tech that we couldn't show the public. And it's always all the above, it seems. There's more levels going on.

So maybe our government is working with these entities at some level to show us how this tech works. Maybe it is our tech that we've reversed engineered. But I think on our show, we've proven the case that blurry creatures exist, that all kinds of weird, there's a hierarchy of them. And even when you say aliens, you're talking about, you know, most people talk about at least six to seven known factions of these things, whether it's grays, Nordics, reptilians, or whatever. I mean, the data goes on and on about what is rumored to exist. And there's, there is a lot of data on these things. And I know that, uh, you're sticking to more of the raw facts because you have, you're under high pressure and you're scrutinized. Everything you put

out there scrutinized. And what a tough place to be in where you get these emails and we get them all the time. Is this guy legit? Like we just got one the other day with some guy was fighting Bigfoot in his backyard like, you know, a few miles from us. And we're like, is this guy just making this up or how do I know this is true or not? And you have to kind of roll the dice sometimes. Skeptics can't believe anything to be real no matter what and they're looking for any reason to not believe, which I don't really care about, right? Like I'm not trying to reach people that are so invested that it's impossible to them believe anything. I'm just trying to get to the hard evidence.

And like you said, as well, I have to be very careful about the stuff that I touch on. I think I get asked about remote viewing about, you know, five times a day, which the reality is I'm not digging into any psychic stuff. I'm not digging into the esoteric stuff. I know that lets people down, but it's just the reality of the situation is, you know, the people that are trying to scratch the case are looking for any angle in order to do so, right?

So I'm not going to give them anything that I don't want to, right? I think that's so smart though. You have to stick to the facts and the data, right? Because once you veer from that, then it just gives people ammo. They have ammo anyway, but yeah, exactly. Man, I, dude, I, you know what? I think, you know, speaking for the collective, I think we're grateful that you're doing the work you're doing because it's got to be crazy and scary to be in your position. Because now, you know, in some ways you hide in, you have to hide.

It's like the Bob Lazar paradigm. You've got to hide sort of in the public and in the white. open because if this is what it looks to be and if that ad ends up being true and you're going to open this at some point this stuff's going to open and if it is what it is this is the biggest story of our generation by far the idea and it also corrupt in the sense you're like a david grush and whistleblowing because you those types of people as well they want the government and and whoever whether be the military industrial complex or whoever to be honest with with with with frankly the people you know the people of earth more or less like what's what's really happening here and man this is this is so

cool i i i this is it's so fascinating and it's unfolding in front of us and it really does feel as you kind of just touched on some of the true crimes that really does feel like like that like things continue to roll in and you get new evidence and you know good yeah you're in like you're in like season too, you know, you're, you have all this backstory and you're in like season two. We're kind of diving in. And really, you know, you know there's a third season coming up here. How, how has your opinion changed on this? Like, kind of when you first got into this until where you are right now, where are you right now? Like, I know you've kind of touched on it a little bit, but would love to. Yeah. No, I think that you guys, I want to, and I think that some of that addresses what can

address based on some of those questions that you mentioned. I think that David Grush is telling the truth. I think that David Grush has an NDA. And they're, and there. Therefore, if he knows about the science behind, it can't say anything because it's national defense purposes. Like, we've identified the leaker as well, potentially to a high degree of certainty. And that person likely went to prison because maybe they didn't even know that these were not UFOs, that this was our advanced technology and that whoever has this technology controls the world, therefore it's a national defense issue at this point. And when you think of it from that perspective, the stakes are much, much, much higher, right?

This is not just, we're saying that UFOs, like, no, wait, now we're talking about breakaway civilization. technology. And I don't know regarding, you know, are there aliens out there? We're working with aliens, whatever. Personally, that's not where I even, I care about getting the truth, but that's not where my motivations lie. My motivation is just getting the answers of these videos being authenticated for MH370. Once I get that, I'm going to leave it to everybody else to figure out what, well, how we, you know, because this is going to give a lot of credibility of truth, a lot of those types of claims and stories and stuff that are out there. And I'm going to let other people fight those battles.

I'd be happy to be a voice pushing for true disclosure on behalf of the people seeking the truth. But, you know, this is already, like I tell people if these orbs and video and Zapp is not in these videos, I don't think anyone have a hard time believe in the videos to be real, right, because of the magnitude of the conspiracy we've already proven. And I almost wish that it didn't have that much going on. People, sometimes people want me to tie this to other stuff. I'm like, guys, we got enough going on in these.

videos, there's already too much happening in these videos, which is what's breaking people's minds, especially a lot of the debunkers and people that are the official investigator, the original investigators, right? It's not even a matter. Like, the evidence is so strong, they can't refute it. They just can't believe it, right? That's the issue for a lot of the people. So, and this is, you know, it was the same thing happened to me. I don't really blame people. Like, and I like to tell this story where especially early on, and I started to realize myself that these videos are authentic based on my own investigation. And it's easier for me because I'm so connected to the investigation.

I've seen all the little twists and turns. I've seen everything. A lot of other people are just getting a third hand or second hand through me. But I couldn't believe what was happening so much that I had to tell my parents like, hey guys, like, just to let you guys know, like, I would have, if before this investigation, I would believe it's more likely for aliens to land on my front lawn and say hello to me personally than for something like this to exist. And I had to ask some guys, like, I know this is going to sound just wild, but this isn't

some kind of Truman show level prank that's being played on me, right? Because that almost seemed more plausible than me somehow being drug into the middle of this, you know, disclosing MH370, advanced technology that's been kept hidden from us. People like Salvador Pius, I'm like now like best friends with that before like he was just this like folklore hero and UFOology, next thing I know, like he's like one of my closest confidants all of a sudden. Whereas like, man, this is getting weird, right? Like you start to realize. the implications of it. And that's where we're at right now with it. And so I think that it's natural for people to think out there that maybe I'm full of myself or egotistical or whatever,

but it's not that at all. It's just a matter of the situation. We're playing at that high level of stakes here. Like that's really what's in the game here. And that does have a tendency to elevate me, I guess, to a level where I have a platform where if I join a space, all of a hundreds of people join because they want to hear what's going on with it. All I can tell people is that this isn't a hoax and I never expected this and I never wanted this, but, you know, I'm definitely not going to, you know, fumble the ball at this point. Like, it's very important we get to the truth. So I think a lot of people out there think that this is the one chance for true disclosure. And I do too. We've proven these videos go back to 2014. Any new videos that come out

and stuff like this, even if these videos were coming out in 2023, people are going to say, oh, well, AI just made that, right? I can do that with AI. Right. Right. So I would honestly implore people that this is potentially the last chance that we have for true disclosure if these videos are authentic is that because they date back and predate all that stuff the only people that could have made them would be the intelligence community themselves you know state sponsored actors and there's no reason it just the story doesn't make sense from that perspective what are they going to try to convince CNN viewers that aliens took the plane yeah doesn't make sense you would implicate rusher or something like that right you'd have it be an explosion of the plane or something that people can believe you know

it just doesn't make any sense. That's the weird part is that, yeah, go ahead. Well, I was going to say, I mean, you always have to factor human emotion into this whole story. I mean, you can't operate 1,000% on the data and just not have feelings one way or the other. And the internet is just a nasty place. I mean, sometimes, you know, just doing our show, you know, it's a different, it's a different beast in itself.

But people can be very demoralizing in the way that they come at you and the way they try to rip you apart. and in some ways people get jealous. They get jealous of your channel. They get jealous of your attention. And so instead of helping, they want to hijack it, like you said in the beginning of the show. They want to sort of manipulate you and use it for their own. And that's why you kind of have to.

It's always good to sleep on something, you know. Sleep on a 24 hours, get up the next day with the fresh head and they keep plowing forward with the data. And, you know, I know in a small way, I think we kind of share a little bit out of, And people can be the worst. And you're just trying to blow the whistle. It's all you're trying to do. It's saying, look, this technology exists. There's portals.

There's orbs. There's UFO tech. It is out there. I don't know where it goes. I don't know where it came from. But these things are true. And these are major discoveries in a sense for the general population. Like this, you know, this rumored portal technology that the ancient supposedly had access to.

We're doing it today. We're doing it again, you know. So I appreciate it. I think, I think we're, you're experiencing a lot of some of the things that we, we traverse to as well. It's, you're breaking people's paradigms, right? And what people have is this visceral reaction to that. Like, no, I don't have space for this in my worldview at all. And because I can't, I can't rationalize this or can't make space. My needy-dirk reaction is to throw this out or to, you know, or to viscerally react to it. And what I think is fascinating is, and what I love what you're doing, man. You're out there and you're sticking to everything into the evidence and you're running that down. And that doesn't have feelings. And the more you verify that, the more you're able to verify, the, the heart of

this is to, you know, to sort of just dismiss. And people's paradigms are getting broken. And I think that's part of the disclosure thing as well is that's, man, that's the hard thing with people too. and maybe why it doesn't blip as much in the radar is that people just cannot or don't or will not maybe put this in and want to put this sort of in their worldview and break their paradigm because it will and then you have to sort of address all these other questions that come along with this in this case it's like what else is my government doing what are they doing with these people are they disappearing this or who are they working with and all these questions become something that you know people just are content to to walk around and do their do their day to day and they don't want to address these sort of bigger questions. So I'd say like just collectively, we're grateful that you're out here doing it, man, because you're putting yourself in a position of being sort of the point of the spear. And your approach being, you know, very empirical and data-driven, I think is so important that this doesn't end up, you know, in some sort of woo, you know, esoteric weird space where then it's easily dismissed because what I think is going to happen and just sort of pronoscating

here is that this is going to end up being, we're going to find out this. true and in all this stuff is true and then it becomes you know how do you reverse engineer that and if you've done if you just follow the data and follow the the evidence there isn't a way to do that so man thanks so much for spending time with us and breaking this down and thanks for what you're doing I know this isn't your day your day job right this is yeah I got to go back to my day job after this actually yeah yeah so it's you're doing a service for for you know I think for anybody who who values the truth

over a can narrative. And so, man, thanks for spending time with us and for explaining this. And hey, we're going to be watching. For our listeners, if you could, that aren't familiar with your work, if you could tell them where they could interact, follow what you're doing in those places, so they can sort of join in. Yeah, and people can follow me on Twitter or X-Corp, I guess it's called now, although I always call Twitter.

It's at JustX-Ashton is my handle there. You can also follow on YouTube at JustX-Ashton as well, though. far the best place would be to check me out on Twitter, like you guys mentioned with the Twitter files. I think that if we were under old leadership, I would have been banned from there a long time ago. You can find the best updates there in my highlights as well, where I post everything. And then you can follow streams, which have been pretty much every single night related to the case and the updates related to the case on YouTube. And then occasionally I post stuff on Instagram, although I've been really bad about it. I'm just, I'm not good with social media.

So you guys can follow there. What I would ask is that you please be respectful. I am building a community here that has higher standards than the rest of the internet. We are not going to, you know, have people who are trolling or what have you, you know, because I think that the internet's got to such a bad place that we need to build something a little bit better here. And this community is special. We do advanced science. We look into the investigation. And then we do a little bit of memes on the side as well.

So it's a fun community. That's what we do. That's what we do, too. We're not as smart as well. But yeah, you kind of create your own little Cuban missile crisis. Like what information do you listen to? And the information has huge implications of where you go. And it's a stressful situation because you're trying to stay credible.

So we appreciate you, man. And listeners go follow. And thanks for coming on our show and kind of giving that breakdown for people, folks. Because we've talked a lot about all these subjects around it. And we're excited for season three, man. We'll see what happened to it. All right. Thanks, Ashton.

Appreciate it. You know,