Blurry Creatures - EP: 216 The Roswell Crash with LA Marzulli

Episode Date: January 18, 2024

In this riveting podcast episode, we dive deep into the mysteries surrounding the infamous Roswell UFO crash with special guest L.A. Marzulli. Join us as we explore the intriguing theories, unearthed evidence, and enigmatic accounts surrounding this extraterrestrial incident. Marzulli, a renowned researcher in the field of ufology, brings his unique perspective and insights to shed light on the Roswell enigma. But that's not all – buckle up for a firsthand account from a local mortician who was on the scene during the aftermath of the Roswell crash. Listen to gripping testimonies and untold stories as we unravel the secrets that have shrouded Roswell in mystery for decades. Support the show! www.blurrycreatures.com/members Intro Song: Sunglasses Kid Socials instagram.com/blurrycreatures facebook.com/blurrycreatures twitter.com/blurrycreatures Music Kyle Monroe: tinytaperoom.com Aaron Green: https://www.instagram.com/aaronkgreen/ Outro Song: TimeCop1983: timecop1983.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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He was requiring, inquiring about what would be the smallest possible casket that we could get that would be hermatically sealed. That was the first contact that I had with the base. Then he called back, oh, probably 45 minutes or so later. And he said, I need to ask you some more questions. He said, in case something like this should happen, he said, we need to know what the preparation, what your preparations are for the bodies that had been laying out in the elements,

you know. He said, we need to know also if your treatments of the bodies are the remains, What could you do to them? And if your treatments, would it change any of the chemical breakdown of the tissues, the blood? Would it make a difference? And I said, I thought probably it would. So that's when I explained to him that we would have the vats that we would fill up with a formaldehyde solution with water. And we put the bodies in them, let them stay there for 24 hours. then take them out. And then we would pack the bodies in the, would be a sawdust and really

a lime, what we would pack them in, then wrapped them in the plastic bodies that were badly decomposed. If there was tissue, deep tissue, we would have to do it hypodermically with needles to get to the deep tissue. Then we would have to aspirate the cavities if the cavities hadn't already ruptured and then put some cavity fluid. in those. I said that's, you know, kind of normal procedure. Usually where I parked, there was three field ambulances, parked in the area where I usually park, we'll be back up to the ramps. So I just pulled up to the side in front of those and parked out in the front and the airmen and I got out and walked in. When I got up, went up the steps and up the ramp, and I was walking, going into the

emergency room. I noticed that the doors were open and then, but what was odd about it, there was an MP standing beside each one of the vehicles in the back, standing there. And the doors were open. Actually, I was curious and, you know, I just happened to look in. That's when I saw some debris that looked like parts of a plane or something that they hadn't had a crash. Because I've seen them do this a lot of times bring in pieces in the old ambulance. in. I noticed in two of the ambulances there was some debris that was probably two and a half to three feet, you know, long and probably high that was propped up on the side of the ambulance there. They were kind of in the shape of maybe like a half a canoe. They were like the front part of a

canoe. And it looked like it might be aluminum, but it looked more like the metal looked more like stainless steel that had been heated. It was blue, kind of a bluish tent to it. And what was odd about it, it looked like around the curve part in the front of the canoe, there was some designs or something. It kind of reminded me of maybe some Egyptian signs or whatever. And it was probably about three inches in high and probably the length of what the wreckage I saw. It looked like it was the rink. And the same thing was, And then the other hamlets too, I mean, I saw practically the same thing. The pieces that were practically the same size and insignias look like,

whatever that might be, was part of the wreckage. Well, I didn't know, really, until the next day. I called out. I kept trying to get a hold of it because naturally I was curious and I wanted to know what was going on. And so I called out the next day and then probably around 1130. She said, I know you've been trying to get a hold of me, but I haven't been available. And she said, why don't you meet me at the officers club? If you have time, meet at the office club and we'll have lunch and I want to talk to you.

So I went on out and met her. She looked like she was, you know, in shock is what she really talked like and looked like. And she said, I said, well, I was just curious on the reason I want to talk to you. I was curious on what happened. And she said, well, you won't believe it. And she says, I don't believe it either. But then she pulled out of a little purse or little pocketbook whatever she had there. She gave me a little diagram that she had that she had drawn some figures of some arms and face and so on.

She told me that this was what, you know, was what was in those, that it was a crash. It wasn't an airplane, but they didn't know what it was at that time. She said, we have three bodies. There was three bodies. She said two of them were very mutilated. One looked like it might have walked out or that it, you know, might have lived a little while. And she explained they were like three and a half feet, four feet tall.

The two of the bodies were, the, you couldn't identify much because they were practically destroyed. And it looked like maybe that they might have been a predatory animal or something might have been doing some damage on the bodies too. Then the little drawings that I had, she had the way she explained it and the way she drew it, that the heads were somewhat larger than a human heads. The hands were long, no thumbs,

it was just along, very delicate fingers at the end of, on the underside at the tip of each fingers was a pad like, maybe a little, but it looked like the skin had maybe a little suction, like the little suction cups on those. On the, no fingernails on the hands. The head, the lips were very just a long, narrow, more or less, not full lips like we would have in most of our people,

but very fine line, very fine lips. There was no teeth that was the inside of the mouth It was kind of like a real gums. Maybe it was, she said to explain it, it was almost as hard as if it was rawhide, maybe at that. The ears, there was only two small orifices on each side of the head with, look like a couple of small lobes that might, some way that might cover both of those. But there was not a protruding ear. And also that the nose, there was only two small orpices in the nose. There was really no nose that was the convex that was all just flesh with the face.

She would have to stop and drink water every once in a while. And also, she never touched a meal that all the time we were talking in an hour and a half that we were there, she never touched her meal. The history of our Earth is so different from what we can imagine. The Smithsonian, that if they found out about a large skeleton somewhere, was to go get it. I'm going to assume at least one person is right, because if one person's right, it's right to bust the paradigm. It all goes back to the fallen chair. And the problem with the modern day church, they have a very truncated view of the supernatural.

This backdrop that's just pregnant with all kinds of meaning associated with this. Mount Herman event. And this guy defects from the kingdom. That's a big deal. Welcome back to blurry creatures. You just heard mortician W. Glenn Davis.

He was an alleged firsthand witness to the events at the Roswell Army Air Force Hospital. He was there on a medical call for a different reason, but he got phone calls that day from the Air Force base, asking about little caskets. And then he kept calling back. back after he left with another medical emergency to his friend who worked there.

And then they went out to lunch and you heard him describe what she told him that she saw and she worked on at the Army Air Force Hospital. So some chilling testimony about the events at Roswell. We appreciate you guys for listening to this podcast, sharing this podcast around. We're going to hop in today's interview with L.A. Marzuli talking about the Roswell crash, him going to the crash site and some of the interesting things he found there. Once again, if you want to support the podcast and what we're doing, blurrycreatures.com slash members.

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Today's guest, we have L.A. Marsulian. L.A., welcome to the show. Thanks for coming back on the podcast. We talk a lot about aliens, UFOs, and all those things. And you've been making films for years, and you're an author also. And just world traveler looking for all the weird blurry stuff, as we say. You just released a film on Roswell. And we haven't talked about that in depth.

So it'll be fun to talk about this. I know a little bit about it. I mean, you hear that's kind of where the deep state. kind of kicks off and all these people say that this is the event. This is the event that kind of took our government from sort of the surface government to the underground. Hey, I want to say a couple things, though, before we get started on Roswell, L.A., you're a bit of a legend when it comes to our show. You're part of our introduction. So if you're listening to the show and listen to the introduction, you know, L.A. has a sound bite. And I think we bring it up maybe once every 10 episodes,

20 episodes or so that our first time that we interviewed you, you pulled a long-a-sculal out of a model or a replica out of a suitcase. And it was like, I think we were so new to the game. We're like, dude, LA's got like a briefcase with a skull in it or, you know, like a model of a skull. And so it's really probably in my top 10 favorite memories, you know, 200 plus episodes in was doing that. And, you know, honestly, like, you're a trailblazer in the space.

you've been doing this for a very, very long time. The trail of the Nephilim, you've got DVD series. You've been, as Nate said in the beginning, you've been all over the map, all over the world, digging up evidence and being boots on the ground. You're great friends with a lot of the people that show up on our show. Tim Alberino, also, you know, Karen Wilkinson, who we talked about pre-roll, who's been on the show,

was part of your last film on abductions. You're out there, tip of the spear, and you've been that way for a long time. So, you know, I just want to thank you for us because we get the opportunity to really kind of stand on your shoulders. And, you know, as you blaze a trail for people like Nate and I to, you know, to have a show and a platform to talk about these things, disseminate this information. And we're really grateful for all the work you put in the work you do. And it's really an honor to be able to sit down with you, you know, considering your proverbial resume, if you will, in our space. You were doing a long before, long before Nephlam was a hot thing in the 90s, long before, long before that that became a thing.

You were, you were on the trail. But you, you know, you're a filmmaker. And you've got, you've got a new film. As Nate said, Nate just mentioned, it's on Roswell. And as he mentioned as well, we have, you know, that is the epicenter, really, for the kicks off things as far as the United States is concerned. And so I would love to dive in and have you talk a bit about the film and your research. And the things that we should know, because of course, there's a narrative out there. And we all know that, right?

And you're going to get into this. But there is a story. And then there's a cover-up story. And then there's a narrative. And of course, in this day and age, when you have fact checkers and debunkers, you know, a lot of folks would say this whole thing has been debunked. But it hasn't. It hasn't been as far from that.

As we said it offhanded, people have pieces of the wreckage allegedly out there. Maybe. maybe allegedly or have had in the past and so nobody really cares if you got pieces of a weather balloon i don't think no nobody cares if it's something else they do so welcome back to the show elie marzouli great to have you thank thanks yeah really good to be here happy new year happy new year we made two films on roswell and what was interesting about this in 2016 i had interviewed a couple, Jim and Carolyn Rankin. It was actually in the very first film that I did outside of The Watchers with Richard Shaw. And when I did the remake of it in 2020, I went back in and cut it

from like an hour and 40 minutes, down to about an hour and five, hour and 10. And I took a lot out of it. I mean, it just took a lot, you know, snip, snip, snip, and tightened up the film. It was my first independent film apart from Richard, as I just stated. So Jim and Carolyn was on Oswell. And I'll start there. They had one of their things that they're both pastors. So one of the things that they would do is people who were single end of life, no family, they would kind of come in and handle the end of life procedure with assets, selling off different things, dispersing funds, all of that. And so Jim and Carolyn got very friendly with Colonel Hill. Sometimes it feels like when you get that phone bill. It's like the crash site document. You can't read it. There's a bunch of numbers,

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Mobile for details. Colonel Hill was OSS, OSS, which is the forerunner of the CIA. Colonel Hill was an interrogator in World War II. He had four degrees, four degrees. Real smart guy. He's approaching 90 years old. Carolyn and Jim at this time had been with him well over a year. And for some reason, you know, one thing led to another in a conversation. And Colonel Hill sitting in his chair with his head down like this. And Carolyn asked him, what about Roswell? Kind of out of the blue.

And Colonel Hill looks at her and goes, raises up his hand and goes, what about it? And Carolyn asked him, was it a weather balloon? And he drops his head again as if, you know, should I even go here? This is, in my opinion, this is the classic deathbed confession. A month later, he's dead. He dies from, you know, succumbst of a disease and old age and the whole nine yards. And he said, no, it wasn't a weather balloon. And in the beginning of that testimony with Jim and Carolyn, Jim states, you know, what you're about to hear is true. They both look right at the camera. So as a student of body language, first of all, they're pastors. Second of all, where are they

gaining from this? Nothing monetarily. They're putting their reputation online. This was recorded in 2016 before we had the beginnings of disclosure. So they're coming forward with, in my opinion, but just a riveting, unbelievably credible testimony. And in that clip, in that interview with them, I went, I flew to San Antonio and interview them in their house. They, basically rolled out the story. And Colonel Hill, because he was OSS, because he was an interrogator, he was flown to Roswell within 24 hours after they discovered the wreckage. You know, we don't know the exact time, but he's flown from Fort Worth,

Dallas, Fort Worth, down to Roswell, New Mexico. And according to Colonel Hill, he tries to, one of the aliens, one of the bodies, they have two bodies. We get these numbers, different witnesses, see different things, which is exactly what should happen, in a real testimony like that. One witness sees two, another witness is three, you know, three bodies, whatever.

So Colonel Hill sees two of the bodies, one's deceased, and he tries to make communication with the one that's alive. He can't do that. Carolyn asked him, what was different about them? Large heads, black eyes, they had six fingers. not five like ours, and not four like a lot of what we see now. So something's going on here. The testimony is now in both films.

Roswell revisited Exoneration and Roswell revisited in the debris field, where we actually go to the debris field. So the idea was that, and Tim Alberino is in the film also, and Tim states on the record that they got it right, first time. And the first time, obviously, was this. I love that you have that. This is one of those skull moments. Right. And this, so this is so important, right? As L.A. is it. Yeah. If you're listening to the show right now, you're not seeing what L.A. has. He's got the Roswell Daily Record. And the headline says RAAF captures flying saucer on ranch in Roswell region. This is the headline the day

after the crash, correct? Well, we don't know when the crash actually occurred. Okay. It's around July 4th and you know this is this is July 8th so it's it's you know we don't know exactly when it hit and people different witnesses will say different things but mac brazzell the rancher getting ahead of myself goes out on his ranch and he's you know it's all free range cattle even today and he sees this debris field which is like 300 foot you know three football fields and it just goes on and on on he gathers up some of it. He comes back. Basically, he tells the sheriff. The sheriff calls the 509th bombing group, which at that time was the only nuclear bombing group on the planet. And Jesse Marcel, Sr., who's the base's intelligence officer, really smart guy. He's the guy that's

dispatched to go check it out. So he does. He goes out with Mac Brousel. They come back, this is why it's July 8th. So they come back, they look at all this stuff. The Roswell Daily Record. They print the story. This is July 9th. Yeah, so this is the next one. And if you're listening, it says that essentially the general Ramey empties the Roswell saucer. So we have two days of headline news. Right here. Is that a real print? No, no, no. It's a replica. The real print is just like, you know, Bukk. Yeah, I was like, what do you hear? You better put that in a card case, you know, get that rated by Beckett or whatever. So the deal is,

Jesse Marcel Sr., the intelligence officer, is trotted out to this bogus press conference. Ramey, General Ramey, has switched the material, unbeknownst to Jesse Marcel Sr. Marcel Sr. is tried it out, and there's this wreckage of a weather balloon. Marcel Sr. was around weather balloons. He was trained. I mean, it's just like the whole cover story is so bogus. there was a film out a number of years ago. You know, Rollswell was a weather balloon, another guy,

and these guys are well-intentioned, but do your homework. I mean, really, go talk to some of the witnesses like we did. You know, dig them up, no pun intended, because most of them were passed away. Right, right, right, yeah. Jesse Marcel Jr.'s widow is still alive. His daughter is still alive. We have a clip of Jesse Marcel, Sr., in the debris field,

saying that, you know, when I was trotted out in that room with General Ramey, it's not what I do. It's, I was, I wasn't a spokesperson, and that's where Ramey concocts this whole story that it's a weather balloon. They had it right with the first print, and they deliberately lied and obfuscated but truth from the American people. And this is why at some point they have to come clean. So in our film, where I was well revisited, exonerated,

The whole purpose of the film is to exonerate the Marcel name. That's the whole purpose of the film. And that's why Linda Marcel, first time she's ever come on the record, Denise Marcel, Jesse Marcel Jr's daughter, the granddaughter of Marcel Sr., Jesse Marcel Jr.'s best friend, and he's just an amazing man. He's the guy that actually is running the Jesse Marcel Jr. Memorial Library way up in Montana, and Dr. O'Connor. And so we interviewed him, you know, at the last.

library and it's it's just an amazing film because what it does is it shows the flip side no one's ever done a film like this to the best of my knowledge where you're bringing all these witnesses in that are trying to exonerate the marcel name because what what some of these other researchers by doing what they do and not doing their homework with all due respect but they these people have never interviewed marcel junior or linda marcelle or denise or, you know, the good doctor. And they've never gone to the debris field. They've never talked to other witnesses that have corroborating testimony.

And so they paint the picture of Marcel as some sort of, well, he was looking for, you know, some sort of a pat on the back or notoriety. Maybe he was drunk. Maybe he was this. Maybe he was that. Who knows? That's not the case at all. This man was a highly trained, extremely intelligent, absolutely incredible.

And to think for one second that he would mistake a weather balloon, even if it was mogul, it's still a balloon. Hello, for some sort of exotic material is beyond the pale. But then we've got, not only do we have Jim and Carolyn Rankin's, so now we have Colonel Hill, who's there. Did Hill know Ramey or Marston? They didn't ask those questions. So we don't know what the relationship of Colonel Hill might have been with Ramey and the others. The bottom line is this. I've been to the debris field.

We were there. We went out with Chuck Zikowski, who's an incredible researcher, catam mutilation guy, been doing it forever, and Frank Kimler. And Frank is a metallurgist and a geologist, among other things. Definitely a geologist. Metallurgy, that's sort of like a hobby thing with him. So we're out there in the debris field with two metal detectors. Wow.

And there's those balloons. gotta love it. I have no idea why my computer does this. There's certain gestures, if I do this, yeah, I mean, it's just like wacky. Balloons come up and, you know, thumbs up. It's always a party, L.A. It's always a party.

What can I tell you? And I don't know how to turn it off, but it does it on all my interviews now. So, okay, maybe somebody else's, I don't know what's going to. You know, but I mean, we're out in the debris field, this is the second film. And first of all, it's in the middle of nowhere. I mean, and when I say in the middle of nowhere,

you drive from Roswell on a four-lane highway for like 45 minutes. You're out, you're already like way outside. Then you make a left turn on this two-lane country road. You're on that for at least 30, 35 minutes. Then you make another left turn on a gravel road with cattle gates, and it's free-range cattle. And you'll be driving along, you've got to stop the car

while four or five cattle come across the road. There's nothing. There's absolutely nothing. It is one of the most desolate places. It's free range. There's nothing out there. Nothing out there at all.

A couple of cattle gates every now and then. Then you make another left turn and you have to open up a cattle gate. Now you're four-wheeling. And you go up like this and there's a sign, there used to be a sign, debris field, but the sign was torn down, but Frank knows where it is. And we're there.

We're in the debris field, basically, for four or five hours, and we filmed there and interviewed. But what was interesting with the metal detectors, and let me preface it by saying this, Frank Kimber has been out to the field numerous times, and he knows what the metal looks like. He's had the metal tested. And so when we're out there and he gets a hit on the metal detector, it's all on film. We go running over. And on film, we show him digging up down about four to six inches.

There's something down there, a little pile of dirt, and he's sifting through the dirt, going up to the metal detector, nothing there. Gets another one, nothing there. Third time, beep. Now he knows it's in his hand. So he goes like this and pours a little bit in this hand. and he goes to the metal detector. Nope, so now he knows it's here.

And he takes out a little bit more. And sure enough, there's a little piece of metal about the size of my little finger, pinky thumbnail, right there. And it's folded in on itself. Under a microscope, it shows some sort of something very traumatic happening to the metal. It shows a high degree of temperature, of heat was applied to it. The metal is folded up. Under a scanning electron microscope, it shows what looks like microscopic holes in the metal.

So when you shoot a bullet in a piece of wood, it blows out the back, right? That's how this metal looks. It's got a nice, clean hole in the front, but the back is blown out. And we've had it tested at two different labs, one lab in Colorado, the other lab in the Mexico, and both labs place it as an aluminum alloy in the six. thousand series. So what does that mean that you and me? Well, that aluminum alloy wasn't invented until 1953. So why is it buried six inches into debris field, number one? Number two, the alloy is not a direct match. The closest thing that we have to it is the aluminum alloy 6,000 series, but it's

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The craft probably broke up in two pieces. The debris field where Jesse Marcel was senior, Jesse Marcel Sr., and the debris field, that is where the craft hit the first time. And so there's wreckage. That's why it's skidding and it comes back up. And then miles away is where the, the actually, craft was and then the bodies were found we also went to hangar 84 that's in the film we are in

hangar 84 and the only reason why we got to do that is because I have learned over the years you got to press the envelope you got to just go for it so we're in the outskirts of hangar 84 everything's locked up there's a chain link fence all the way around it but there's a guy smoking a cigarette by the link fence. I go over. I say, excuse me, we're from California, we're a really small film crew. We're making a documentary on Roswell. Is there any chance we can get in here and look inside? He goes, yeah, come up to the front of the building. We'll talk to the manager. So we all go running up. Now we're inside. They've let us in inside the ante room. And I'm on the phone with the director. A guy's name is Bull. Bull comes down about 20 minutes later. Usher's

us into the conference room and we interviewed him on camera. And then I say, can we go in and take a look at the hangar? Yeah, let's go take a look. And we're standing inside Hangar 84, which is exactly the way it looked in 1947. Yeah, there's been maintenance and all that, but essentially, it's exactly the same hangar where the crash wreckage was taken from a debris site and stored as well as the bodies that were under a tarp. So the UFO is about 100 feet wide, you're saying, in the crash site. How many pieces are, do you think there was at this? We don't know.

We don't know that. We know that the craft broke apart and disintegrated. Jesse Marcel Jr., that debris field was like three football fields. He said you could pick up the metal and it was like thin, like paper thin, but you couldn't dent it. You could roll it up in a ball and it would spread out like water again to its original shape. But you couldn't dent it. You couldn't do anything with it. So this is why the explosion is unbelievable.

There's also the craft, the center of the craft, allegedly that was retrieved. And the affidavit from, I think it's Colonel Hout, which we show in the film, talks about that the egg-shaped craft was about 16 feet. by 14 feet and about six feet high, roughly. That's an egg-shaped type of a thing. And that he did see at Hangar 84. And he saw the bodies under a tarp. He could tell they were bodies. And that's all on an affidavit.

You can go online. One of the interesting things that we show in the film is a telegram that Gemma Rame is holding. So Rameh, Gemma Ramey is holding a telegram kind of like this. in his hand. And the photographer is probably 20 feet away. So it's kind of a wide shot. There's Ramey holding a telegram. Jesse Marcel Sr. is next to him. And Ramey's holding this telegram. Well, you know, Ramey's thinking, no one can read this because it's 1947. Now entered David Rudiak a while back, but not too far back. And Rudeyak got the computers.

and he blows this thing up. And here, in the verbiage, obviously, this is a prop, says, crash disc, retrieved bodies, disc, Wright Patterson, actually, right field. It wasn't called Wright Pat. Just right field. So that's the work of David Rudiac, and we show the telegram in the film.

And the whole purpose of the film, both films, one, it exonerates the Marcel name, hopefully. Number two, it shows without a doubt, that something did crash there and there was a deliberate cover-up, a deliberate cover-up. But the fact that we went out to the debris field and we found two pieces of the wreckage. Okay? There it is again. Thank you.

I appreciate that. It's straight on cue. That's so great. It's hysterical. And I don't know how to turn it off. I don't know how to turn it off. I wish I did. Those are weather balloons.

So, no big deal. Yeah, those are weather balloons. Exactly. L.A. I have a couple questions for you. How many civilians saw the crash wreckage first do we know of? And how many days did it take from the crash to government people got there? I'm sure there's a lot of people, you know, some randos saw this wreckage before the official story started to come out, you know?

They did. They did. And people, there are witnesses that saw, remember, there's two sites. It's a skip site. And we actually show that from the white sands where this, the craft comes in like this. You see the craft and it comes in, hits the ground, goes up again, then dives back in. And when it hits here, the second time, it just explodes. So what you're looking at, the reason why they didn't get the metal, they didn't get all the metal,

is because if our hypothesis is correct, when that thing exploded, those little shards of metal, which we're finding, which we found too, It's like a bullet out of a 22. It's just bam, right into the ground. So even though the Army's out there, shoulder to shoulder on their hands and knees, picking up the wreckage, and how do we know that? Because Frank Kimbler found three buttons, three buttons that are aluminum that were issued between 1940, 1950, which come from Army military fatigue. So what are they doing?

If there's nothing to see, if we're just a weather balloon, why are there buttons that he's finding on the ground? because people are going shoulder to shoulder on their hands and knees picking up the records, but they didn't get it all. And look, this is science. The machine could care less what I believe or what I'm trying to prove. It's an aluminum alloy from a 6,000 series, and it's not an exact match.

And that aluminum alloy was not created until 1953. So unless somebody's got a time machine, not buying it. I want to ask you, man, because I mean, this is a second film. No, I got a Delorian. We're going to go back. You know, you and I will put Albarino in there. We'll throw him in the hatch. We'll throw Albarino in the hatchback. Yeah, I have a 71 Bronco. That's not going to go anywhere. The only time travels in my garage. No, but this is the second film on Roswell. And I just, I want to know like what your best hypothesis of what actually happened.

because what appears to have happened based upon all this is that there was craft recovered and it was and it was covered up. I just, you know, a couple of things. Do you think this is the first time that we recovered at U.S. as a government recovered craft? It's obviously the most famous, right, because of the covers that came out that was legit before it was covered up, right? But I'm just like your thoughts on the collection because we're the time now, right? This is your especially. this last year in 2020 where we had whistleblowers with the House

Oversight Committee that came out and we had whistleblowers that, yeah, Gresh came out and said that we've recovered craft, you know, and plural, right? And non-human biologics, right? We use that in the film. And so I'm just like in your mind,

what's your best sort of summary of what you think went down and what you perhaps think that the government did with, you know, or the Air Force or whoever may be they got a hold of this did with the things they had. Eisenhower warns us that the military industrial complex, and, you know, people can just Google that and watch his speech. He warns us about the military industrial complex. That military industrial complex is in control, in my opinion. And they put the kibosh on this whole Roswell event. Jesse Marcel Sr. was a Patsy, was a cover-up. That's what he was. So they've known about it.

Bob Lazard talked about this in the 90s, working on the sports model. Eisenhower, more than likely, when he goes and has his chief drilled or the emergency dental thing and he's gone for 24. Right, right. Sorry. You know, the Holloman Air Force Base. Did he meet with them? In my opinion, he did. All this will come out eventually, because it's starting to come. come out. The fact that David Grush, we actually show this clip where Representative Mace goes to David Grush, well, you know, did they create, did they collect the crash? Yes. Can you tell us anything about it? No, I can't. But, you know, who's got them? I can't tell you that either.

Well, were there bodies we cover? Yes, they were biologics. Were they human or non-human? They were non-human. I mean, you know, my, that is one of the most astounding admonitions on anybody from anywhere that I've ever heard. And people were so numb and just so asleep that they don't understand the just profound implications of that. And so the question is, it's a dog and pony show that we're seeing.

Remember, Grush himself has not seen any of this. It's secondhand information. But, you know, so everything's compartmentalized. So nobody goes to jail because everything's compartmentalized. So he can tell you what he believes is the truth under oath. The question is, what is the truth? Do they have biologics? In my opinion, absolutely.

Those biologics were flown up to Wright, Pat. I had a woman that came up to me years ago at a conference who said a friend of hers was active duty at Wright, Pat. and there was an area, this is in the film also, there was an area that was quadrant off, always under guard, and a very heavy smell of like a formaldehyde was always, always present in the air. But the area was always, always under guard. Nobody got in, nobody got out.

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Book it with Price Line. Download the Price Line app or visitpriceline.com. Actual prices may vary, limited time offer. Roswell was a cover-up. They've back-engineered the craft. They've known about it. It's nothing new. and there's a hypothesis that I came up with years ago.

And I actually stated it at the Prophecy Watchers conference. And in my opinion, I may be the first person on the planet to ever put this out. Nobody else that I'm aware of has ever stated it because they never look most other researchers, especially on the other side of the aisle, don't embrace the biblical narrative. And without embracing the biblical prophetic narrative, it's hard to get to the truth. So we know this. Here's my proof text. So Jesus is casting out the demons from the man of the tombs.

And we all know the story. The demons, you know, can we go into the pigs? Yeah, you can go into the pigs. So they possess the pigs. The pigs go crazy. they go off the cliff and they all drown. But one of the head demons, We are Legion for We Are Many, says this,

what have you to do with us before the time? Why have you come to torment us before the time? That phrase has stuck with me for years, and it's pregnant with meaning. How do they know that it's not the time? How do they know that? How can they make a statement like that? Have you come to torment us before the time?

What does that mean? What time are they talking about? The time when they are put into the abyss, when they're finally in torment, judgment. And they know it's coming. The second one, proof text, is when Michael and his angels fight with the devil and his angels, and the dragon, Satan, the devil, is cast down the earth. Woe to the inhabitants of earth because your adversary, the devil, has been cast to Earth, and he knows his time is short.

So is it possible? They know that some nuclear event, that's what they're looking for. So when Nagasaki and Hiroshima happen, we get the foo fighters, we get this huge flap, 1947, Kenneth Arnold, even before that. I mean, there's all this stuff going on with all of euphology. Is it possible that they know that the time of their revealing is after a nuclear event? They're waiting for a nuclear. There's a thumbs up.

They're waiting for a nuclear event. Is that what's going on here? Interesting. And so we know from Robert Salas, the Watchers series, our Watchers series, the late, my business partner, late Richard Shaw and I, we did like 11 films together. And we actually interviewed Robert Salas. Now he's on the talk shows and all his other stuff. But Salas was the base commander at the Malstrom base up in Montana.

And I think there were 10 intercontinental ballistic missiles which were taken offline by a 60-foot UFO, which was right over the craft. So is it possible that they know that the time of their revealing is after or around some sort of a nuclear event? If that's true, then it makes sense why they're flying around near the 509th bombing group. Because the 509th bombing group in Roswell, New Mexico was the only base with nukes. That was it. Even though they didn't have one at the time, that was it. So, I mean, you start connecting the dots and you kind of go, hmm, maybe that's why they're there. Then there's a heavy electrical storm that night.

the thing is hit and down it goes. Interesting. You know, what's funny is that, I mean, there's a lot of, in euphology, there's a lot of stories about UFOs turning off nuclear sites and turning, and it's just deactivating these, right? And you wonder why, right? And what you hear, right, especially from, you know, the, maybe the preferred narrative when it comes to the non-biblical lens in euphology

is that, is that, right, it's that, it's that. story you'll hear, oh, they're just protecting us from ourselves. They're going to step in at the time to, you know, we actually had somebody just trying to lay this out and tell us this is how it is on early and early in our show days saying, oh, they're here, they're behind the scenes. They're benevolent. You know, it's this whole deception as far as I'm concerned. But it's fascinating, though. You know, the idea that that we're looking down the barrel at some nuclear event that, you know, in some ways it's going to be a, you know, a, you know, a, um, trigger, if you will, for maybe the veil being lifted. That's fascinating. I actually

had never heard that. So I think you're, that's a really interesting hypothesis because it is, yeah. Because, you know, you start the implications of that, right, is, you know, there's some kind of nuclear holocaust. And of course, that's always been a scare, you know, since we were kids. I mean, we grew up in California, Nate, you and I, there was, there's the talk of like, you know, earthquake, get under your desk. And I remember even early, early on that if there's like, it was a nuclear strike, it's the big. joke now. It's memed everywhere. You get under your desk, right? Like, that's going to do anything. Yeah, what are you going to do with that? Well, especially during the Cold War, right, which is a little

a little before, a little before us, but not, not like too far before us. Because, you know, we were early 80s kids, but there's, this is a reality there. They're kind of prepping you for. And what are we looking at now? You know, the nations of the world, I mean, Iran is trying to get a bomb and they will use it. The moment they have it, they're going to use it. North Korea has one. Yeah. Yeah, North Korea's got several of them.

Pakistan's got it. I mean, they've got them. They're all of those. I mean, what are you looking at? Where do we, and the saber rattling between Ukraine and Russia and some of the powers. I mean, it's just like, if we lost our minds here, the fact that they're even talking about using a tactical nuke or any nuke at all for anything. But I honestly think that that's when they show up. And the reason for this is we are now.

The globe is connected. The entire globe is connected because of the Internet. We are wired together in ways that are unprecedented in all of human history. If you have a nuclear event going off on this planet, it will create the greatest climate of fear that mankind has ever experienced collectively. It's not Hiroshima, where people are reading stuff, and it's not global. It's days later. And here's a picture. No, no, no, no, no, no.

The satellites are beaming right down. Here's the aftermath. This is what's going on. And everybody's freaked out. That's when they show up. You think that's part of the, we're talking to prophecy, biblical prophecy. All of us here subscribe to the biblical worldview. And the idea that the prophecy has already been laid out.

And we know that according to the book of Revelation, that the Antichrist is going to bring a time of peace. And so in order to have this time of peace, you have to have some sort of insane. in time of the antithesis of that, right? Of war. And that's where we are. And that's interesting, that's so interesting, L.A. I think that's, it's a, based upon you follow, you know, because I think what people miss sometimes in all this.

And this is what I think that you and you and our friend Timothy Albarino are so well versed in, is that there are decades and decades of data when it comes to ufology and into the recording and the stories and the sightings and all of the above, right? that you can draw upon to sort of supplement a lot of the things that we, the stuff that we're seeing now, right? And so there's this, there's this whole backdrop and foundation of that, which I really think kind of rounds out the picture because when you look at that,

you go, hey, listen, this is what's been going on. These things are showing up. People are saying they're turning off nuclear sites. This is what's going on. And now we have this, we're on the press, specific disclosure with, you know, everything that's happened in house oversight, you know, all the FOIA X stuff. And then the fact that you said, The most important thing I think in all of this, too, is what you just said,

is the interconnectedness and the way that communication travels now in this age, in this day, is you cannot, like you could in the days of Roswell, sort of just bait and switch and have now the channels, the two channels, or the five channels you have on TV, and the one newspaper, five newspapers you have out carry the same story, and that's it, right? And that's all you've got. Now you've got, this is the same thing with creatures. We end up in the creature lane here a lot in our show, Ellie.

but because everyone has a phone in their pocket now with a camera on it and that's all connected to the internet you can't put a lid on this stuff in the way that you could before and and it's that's just it's a it's a really interesting how i really like that hypothesis because it's uh when you look at world war two as you said the event in japan with the dropping of fat boy and um yeah what is the other bob little little little little boy and fat man i I'm going to butcher this, but the two atomic bombs, right? Then you do have this uptick in UFO activity that, you know, we didn't, we didn't see. Maybe since the event in the 1500s in Nuremberg, right, or 1600s in Nuremberg when they had the event in the skies.

But I'd say, that's really interesting. I want to ask you, L.A., a couple questions. Do you think that this specific UFO explodes? Because I remember listening to some of the testimony. especially from Bob Lazar when he said that some of these the reactors inside exploded when they were trying to cut into them and such you think that this thing hits the ground and it explodes because whatever it's powering this thing it's disrupted and then it just creates like so there's just shards all over the place that you're able to find to this day and why do you

think these things why do you think they crash if this is advanced tech thousands of years beyond why does it crash um this is the hypothesis this, you know, conjecture on my part, if it got struck by lightning and allegedly it did, that mess with everything. It mess with its whole navigational system. It threw the whole thing into a tizzy. But that's conjecture. We don't know.

We don't know. And then it gets into the thing, you know, if it's not alien, then why to fallen angels to the UFO to fly around. You know, I mean, it just, it just, and the problem is, we can't sit down with a fallen angel and go, hey, it's Elie Marzuli here. I'm interviewing Elzebub today. Well, I want you using craft like this, you know? I mean, it's just, it's not going to happen.

Yeah, Shemi-Aza, although you are, you're locked in the abyss, you know? Like, why are your, why your pals flying around? Yeah, it's. See, we've got this, the church at large, has a very, very truncated view of the supernatural. There's a book I'm working on. It's called, it's called technology, supernatural technology in the Bible. I'll just give you one example that we all know. So Adam and Eva booted out of the garden. And the most high God sends a couple of cherub beam down to guard the east gate. So right there we got a problem. Why only the east gate?

Why not the north, south, and west gate? Doesn't say. Only the east gate needs guarding for whatever reason. So you got these two cherub beam that are standing at the gate. That sounds like a really fun job to me. And just to keep out of me, just two people. But the part that everybody overlooks is this. In the center, voo-v-vo-vo-vo-vo-vo-vo. Lightsaber. There's a flaming sword. There's a lightsaber. There's a flaming sword, which in modern-day vernacular is a lightsaber. Oh, seriously? Oh, my God. L.A.'s lost his marble. No, I haven't. It's a flaming sword that turns every which way. That, my friends, a flaming sword, that's called a lightsaber in modern-day vernacular. And that's technology. That's supernatural technology that's found in our Bible. And it's time for the church to understand that technology is there. The book of Enoch tells us that one of the angels came down and shows the art of weapon making. I'll be at its primitive weapon making, but how does it know about forges and meddler? Do you see, we have this, you know, snap my finger. There's a ballpoint pen.

Wow, it's supernatural. Yeah, okay, I get that. But on the other hand, we see technology, and it's there. And that's the basis of the book. It's really a fun book to write about. I've had stuff. Yeah, we've spent a lot of time with Tim talking about, you know, practicality. put these these in practical terms, angels are probably closer to closer to humans than maybe any Christian has ever. And they might have to travel from point A to point B.

And we've argued that. And there's biblical stories where it seems like angels are getting held up and can't get from one place to the other. And that is... Daniel's a perfect example of that. How do they fight? And why is it that the guardian, you know, the prince of the power of the air,

Prince of Persia, how does he block? and are there reinforcement? I mean, how do they fight? Can they be wounded? In my opinion, they can be wounded. They can't be killed, but they can be wounded, I think. That's a texture. Do you believe that, like, let's say Gabriel's flying around and shoots down this Roswell craft? Why couldn't that happen? You think that happens? Well, you know, that's a really interesting point. It's a really interesting point. And I wouldn't dismiss that. You see, we just don't know. No, we don't have all the answers.

But circling back to the films, what we do have, and I think what we've gone out of our way to prove in both films is that the Marcel family lived with this shadow over them. And that's why we call the film exoneration, because we exonerate them, in our opinion. So let me ask this real quick. I know this is going to be covered in the film, but just for my curiosity,

when the wreckage is swapped out for the weather balloon Marcel knows this happens but he has to sort of tow the line. Is that what happens? Or does he because he's seen the, if I'm following the timeline he's already seen the real wreckage. Yeah, he bought some of the wreckage

and showed it to his wife and to his son Jesse Marcel Jr. I interviewed Dr. Jesse Marcel Jr. I interviewed him before we passed away. And see, this is what drives me nuts about some of these other guys that have created, you know, films or reports on Roswell and say it's a weather balloon. My first question, well, how many witnesses have you talked to? Oh, we didn't talk to any witnesses? Oh, really? Well, how can you possibly

come up with what you're saying until you talk to Jesse Marcel Jr. or his widow or his daughter or, you know, I mean, something. You know, I mean, you got to go out in the field. You just can't sit in an armchair and take a bunch of stuff off the internet and say, well, it was a weather balloon. When everything is saying, no, it wasn't a weather balloon. That's the cover story. So Marcel Sr. is holding the weather balloon looking at Gemma Ramey like, you've got to be kidding me. I mean, the expression on his face says it all of a student of body language. It's like, this isn't what we saw. And Marcel Sr., we show this clip in the film where he looks at the camera and says, but Ramee and I both knew different. Ramey and I both knew different. Ramey and I both

Do you believe that Do you believe that like Spielberg's Taken series? I remember watching that has taken series and it very much sounded like. It's the real deal. Completely 100%

from the only way we differ is where the little girl in the last several films in the installment, the last several installments in the series, okay? And she can, she's able to stop space and time. Okay. So there's an alien connection. She's a hybrid. That's the antichrist. The only difference is it's not a little girl, it's a little boy. And there's the connection. Everything about the abduction, the implants,

the government cover up, it is 100% right on. It's, and I've watched it several times, I actually have the DVD. Where do you think you got the information from? Just like the X-Files. They just stole it from real events, and then they created a TV show. And I think part of that is to dismiss. Is that why they create this stuff?

They just, just to get you to think that it's tabloid, but it's actually the truth. And so you believe that the truth is actually the tabloids, and then the tabloids are the truth. Yeah, I mean, that's where we are. and what it does is it desensitizes the public so much that nobody cares. A perfect example of that is, you know, Tucker Carlson, which was the gateway to conservative Christian worldview.

I mean, we all watched it. That's why when they gave them the boot, everybody just, you know, we love you, Tucker. We're not going anywhere. But Tucker Carlson broke the story with Commander David Fravor, 2017. What did you see? whatever this was, Fravor says, whatever this was was not from this earth. That's groundbreaking. And now we've got Grush saying we have retrieved biologics, which are non-human. And because everyone is so desensitized, right, nobody cares. I mean, very few people understand what it is we are looking at

and how this ties into what I call the coming great deception, because it is the coming great deception. It will change everything on this planet when they show up. Everything changes. Actually, that's a good segue, though. I want to have a quick question on this because you mentioned something I thought was interesting on the non-human biologics, right? The eyewitness reports from Roswell was six fingers, it's the paradigmatically, right? You have this, which honestly is associated with the nephalum.

We think about sort of the ancient history of this. But it differs in some ways, and you made an mention of this, to what, the anecdotal accounts are now of some of the entity alien type creatures people are encountering. So what do you think the difference is there then? Or what do you think that what do you think is going on there where you have sort of this different in digits between what was allegedly, you know, supposedly reported, it being recovered at Roswell versus kind of some of things that are happening now as far as people are reporting, you know, with four digits on some of the grades, et cetera.

Again, it's conjecture. The dragon has been playing around with the human genome from the beginning. When you look, and the Lord just gave me this a couple of months back, but when Joshua and Caleb are ready to go into the promised land, they have 12 tribes of Israel. So it is the facing off of the seed war. The seed of the dragon, the offspring of a dragon, will be at war with the offspring of the woman.

Well, guess what? The offspring of the woman, the pro-humanel of Messiah, isn't there yet, but one of those 12 tribes is going to be responsible for the virgin who will bear the Messiah. But the dragon still doesn't know what tribe it is. Well, you've got the 12 tribes of Israel, and then you've got the Nephilim tribes, the tribes of the dragon in the promised land, and they go at it. They go at it. It's the seed war. It's the culmination of the seed war. And we know that there seems to be different genetic attributes to these Nephilim tribes. Anakine means lawn necks.

The zamsumim, the buzzing ones. So these names have point possibly to certain genetic characteristics. He's messing with the genome. And that's what's going on in modernity. Nothing's changed in thousands of years. He's playing with stuff. It's like in the Lord of the Rings, the Urukai. It's the same type of thing where Saruman is creating something,

trying to create the ultimate warrior. And we've heard this with super soldiers and all this other stuff. The dark side is gearing up to the Battle of Armageddon. It knows it's going to happen. So it's trying to pull everything it can to somehow change the outcome, but it can't. Because we know from Colossians that the Lord holds everything together. He's before all things, and he holds all things together.

More conjecture for my part. When he rides in with the armies of heaven, which is literal, they're all on flying white horses. Flying white horses. I can't wait. Yeah. Behold, I saw heaven standing open, and there before me was a white horse whose rider is faithful and true. With justice, he judges and makes war. His eyes are like flaming fire on his head as many crowns.

He has a name written on him at Nolan, but he himself knows. The armies of heaven rode with him on white horses, dressed in fine linen, white and clean. Guys, I was there 43 years ago for three seconds. Wow. And I mean, not a vision. I mean, like Paul, I was taken. I was there on the white horse, on my white horse. I was holding on to its main.

No bridle, no saddle. I'm holding onto his main. Second one, I'm looking at my hands, holding the main. Second two, I look to my left. Way in the distance is the rider on the white horse. It's not like this. The armies are like this. It's a horseshoe shape.

And the armies of heaven are stacked up like floors of a building. one, two, five, ten, twenty. This huge horse shape like this, horseshoe shape like this. And in the center of that horseshoe shape is the rider of the white horse. And the horses are staggered. Don't ask me how he does this. The horses are staggered so every eye can see him no matter what. We all are looking.

We are riding down. So the second one, the hands on the horse is made. Second two, there's the rider. Second three, I'm up on the right flank. somewhere in the throne about eight rows back from the front and then I'm back three seconds just think man you know you know just keep you know just keep you know getting those crowns you might move up and he might be two two horses away you know what the point I'm trying to make all he's all he does is stops holding them all together he just stopped out of his mouth comes

that sharp sword, strike a nations, he just undoes them. He just stops holding them together, and they just bleed out. And that's why the blood is up to a horse's. I don't think we're in there chopping heads off like Lord of the Rings and orcs and all this stuff. I don't think that's what happens. I think it's just him. We watch him right in, and he just, it's it. He just stops holding them together and they just basically with her right, right where they're standing. That's conjecture.

That's, I mean, it makes sense so, right? If you have an infinite God, he doesn't He's had a... Yeah, when he's coming to to bring judgment or to pass judgment, he doesn't need justice. He doesn't need help.

They don't need any help, right? No, he doesn't. He really doesn't. But we get to watch. And the enemy's trying to make the ultimate warrior, but, you know, like, that time has passed as well. He, uh, when he teamed up with Randy Savage, they were the ultimate maniacs. And, and that's, that was in the 80s, L.A. So that's, that's been, that's been passed. I think that's a confusing part. You grow up in the church and you see, you see a lot of war

language coming from Christ's mouth, you know, and, you know, he's dropping these war terms and, I bring, I bring a sword and other things and you're just like, you know, and the church loves to focus on sort of this, oh, Jesus was a pacifist. And, and, and, and, he's, you know, he's, and, You know what I mean? You know? And it's like they don't they don't pay attention to the To the warrior king. Warrior king, that's what he is.

Ellie, what do you think these metal comes from? These materials that they use to build these craft. I mean, they're not, they just sound like they're not from here. It's not like they're going and digging them up somewhere on earth. Where are they coming from? Well, I mean, this is where it gets, you know, and we don't know. I mean, it's just conjecture. Sure.

On my part, when we tested the implant, which we took out, we're the only Christian ministry ever to take out an implant from a man who was abducted. That's Emil. He's in our fourth film on abductions. I mean, this is what I mean. It's like, we're out in the field. We're doing stuff. We're taking implants out. We're digging up pieces of the Roswell crash. Tip of the spear, L.A. Tip of the spear. I love it. Some of the reason I'm asking you these questions is because Christians don't have a hard time expanding their paradigm. They think all of this is spiritual.

And we try to argue a lot of times. There's metal. They're making things out of metal guys. And alloys we don't have at the time. At the time. So there's, I mean that if you inverse engineer that, right, that means there has to be forges. And they have to have acquired metal somehow. I'll give you one more from the book.

which I've stopped writing because the Lord's redirected my steps, but I'll get to it. I'll finish it. So one of the chapters is the Lord's sword. So when Joshua meets the commander of a Lord's army, right, the Lord's host, he's got a sword drawn, right? And take off your sandals, this is holy ground. So that's not an angel, not an angel. That's Jesus. That's the Lord. So the question is, okay, there's the sword. The Lord just snap his finger and nice, shiny sword comes out. Or was there a contest in the heavenly realm? Was there a contest?

Hey, I need a sword. I'm about to go down and do some stuff. I need a sword. There will be a contest. Rewards will be great. Because we know that the angels, the fallen ones in the book of Enoch, teach metallurgy. We know that. Now, you can't trust the book of Enoch because it's like, please, we can at least appreciate the book's historicity.

It is quoted in the book of Jude. So it was widely read. And if you were going to keep one book, Enoch One, that's the book you keep out from Christian's hands because it tells you exactly what's going on. But metallurgy is shown to the people of the earth, albeit it's primitive. So what if, here's just one more in the same, the same. idea, the New Jerusalem is 1,500 miles wide, 1,500 miles in length, 1,500 miles high. Do we have any idea how big that is? That's half the United States, but you go up.

Is it a pyramid? Could be. People say, oh, it's a cube. You don't know that. It could be, it could easy, it's either a cube or a pyramid. In my opinion, I think it's a period of it, but I don't know. The bottom line is that thing has got anti-gravity. How does that work? And how do you engineer something that's got a floor span of 1,500 miles? How does that work? You know, who does the calms for that? What kind of metal or material is this thing made out of? But it's a construct. And so once we start looking at the biblical narrative, all of a sudden, all of these chapter. I mean, I could go on, but I won't because someone will steal the book, guaranteed. But I've got stuff that came across my desk from just some really cool stories about

artifacts that were found and things like that. So there's technology in the Bible. And the church has got this truncated view and we need to expand it. And we've talked about that, Nate, a little bit like with the, just the idea of mana, right? We talked about this with, I think with Tim, where you go. Okay, it's the bread of heaven, right? So, of course, of course God could snap his fingers and create bread. But if you're or reverse engineer that, then you have to have grain and have grown grain. And then you've had to threshold it and grind it and add a little yeast and bake it, right?

That's how you make bread. And so there's, I think some, I think you make a, you're on the nose, right? That we have this idea, I think, this idea, and it's great to, I think, Whimsie is important when it comes to understand the supernatural world and not and not being caught up in everything is black and white can be empirically measured, number one. But I also think that you need to look at things of what they are and go out. Things just, it's like the poof theory, right? Like these things just poof and angels just poof wherever they want. We actually talked to an exorcist on the show from the Catholic Church.

And he's like, well, angels are the theory that can be where they want. And they go, you read Daniel 9 and 10 because that isn't true. and in fact and then Jacob wrestled with one. So that didn't do that into ethereal, right? Yeah. And so I, there goes that paradigm. Right. But I mean, I think that's what you're talking about, not to like, you know,

you're in the technology space, you look at all these things, right? Heaven's got walls and roads. Yeah, yeah. And you go, okay, there's a lot going on here that has a physicality. And so then when you're looking at things like you're digging up pieces of wreckage that are not, foil from a weather balloon. No. And they're not allies that existed before 1953,

even though the crash happened in the 40s. You go, oh, there's stuff here. And it doesn't match the 6,000s anyway. It doesn't even match the things that we did. Yeah. It's closed, but it's no cigar. And I got to get going here. Folks, if you're interested,

L.A. marzuli.net, that's the website. You can download things and watch them. Buy the DVDs, 13 books, 29 films. So there's quite a corpus there. It's quite the quiver of films, if you will. And the most latest is the second Roswell film.

And it's exoneration of the Marcel family. So Alie Marzuli, it's always a pleasure. We're grateful for your time. We're grateful for you being on the show. If we acquire pieces of said pieces of said craft, we'll call the balloons in and we'll get you

on the ground because that is amazing. guys be good alex back god bless you guys yes sir yeah really fun hanging out all right to see all right to see all right see you all right see you see you bye