Blurry Creatures - EP: 217 Super Civilizations with Hugh Newman

Episode Date: January 23, 2024

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thing. I call it super civilisations. I think it's the world's first one. Super civilisation. Super civilisation. The history of our Earth is so different from what we can imagine. The Smithsonian, if they found out about a large skeleton somewhere, was to go get it. I'm going to assume at least one person is right, because if one person's right and bust the paradigm, it all goes back to the fallen chair. And the problem with the modern day church, they have a very truncated view of the supernatural. This backdrop that's just pregnant with all kinds of meaning associated with this Mount Hermann event.

And this guy defects from the kingdom. That's a big deal. All right. Welcome back to Blurry Creatures today. We're going back to the ancient times with Hugh Newman, author, explorer, awesome website, Megalithomania. And he was a great friend of the show. and he's friends with a lot of the guys in this this blurry space outside of the traditional academic narrative been on a lot of shows it's funny that I was

editing this podcast and there's Hugh on my TV screen talking about some blurry stuff in Alaska which I gave him a hard time about but it's it's fun you know to to see it all kind of you know I'm just doing a little research on my own and hey so it's their buddy Hugh on TV so and he's been great he's been on this will be his third time on so we talked about Giants in Britain we talked about Kaharan Tepe and He's got to bring a book out, Beckley-Tepi and Kahara and Tepe, the world's first megaliths. And so he wanted to come on and talk about what they're doing there. They're finding new things all the time.

Hugh is such an interesting guy. You might recognize him from him. He's been on ancient aliens and the history channel, a bunch of different places, talking about things he's discovered, lives right, near Stonehenge. He's definitely a blurry guy who lives in, physically lives in a blurry space there. But fascinating, we're going all the back to the golden age, right, to the, we would say and believed to be the time of the watchers, right? Imparting knowledge to humanity as civilization in Quebec Leutpewapokos out of nowhere and so as always right we go into the blurry versus the alternate history part of what we

talk about and it is not so many bones this is the stone zone stone zone all right stone zone well the stone zone and the bone zone are pretty closely related they're like cousins yeah the stone zone all right you just now you're going to sell a new t-shirt no we're not doing that we are not selling any more merch but if you want to get involved in what we're doing you can go to blurrycreatures dot com slash members. Become a member. You get discounts on merch. That's right.

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there doing the work. They're out there making discoveries. And Hugh Newman is one of those guys. He spends a ton of time in Turkey, investigating and documenting and trying to be in to understand what's happening in really the most ancient megapics site on earth. And so I'm excited to have Hugh Beck. And it's always good to mix a bread in every once in a while. So, oh yeah.

So we'll have our tea in Crumpfuss and talk with a good friend Hugh Newman. Oh, yeah. That's right. Let's get them on. You are now entering the Stone Zone, the Stone Zone. Welcome back to the podcast, Hugh Newman, Hugh. You are in high-deaf now that you got your new camera set up here. We are still blurry, as always, with our old school cameras here.

That's how we do it here. That's on brand. You are an author, explorer, and you have the website, Megalithomania as well. Over in the UK, finding all the good stuff, you have a new book out. And apparently, we have to apologize. You've been listening to our show, so you have to listen to our terrible voices all the time. Thanks for listening, by the way. And congrats on the new book.

And welcome back to Glory Creatures. And this is number three, Hugh. We had you on to talk about giants in the UK. We had you on to talk about Kaharan Tepe, because you were doing a lot of work on that, of course. if you've listened to the show as a sister city of Quebec, or tepe of much, much fame, especially in the news as of late. I know we'll get to that.

But third time is a charm. And for the third time, you, I think we'd like to run it back and begin this conversation by asking you what your thoughts are on Bigfoot. If you have any new thoughts on Bigfoot. I knew you were going to ask that. I don't know how to have predicted it. But yeah, no, for sure, well, I think I mentioned before,

I'm very interested in British Bigfoot. I've read Nick Redfan's book. I've read a couple of other books. Actually, I kind of got obsessed by it for a while. But relating to what we're going to talk about today, we can look at, you know, Southeast Turkey or Mesopotamia as well. And some of the stories of the Sumerian tradition have the Ananaki, one of the Ananaki, Enki, I think it is.

I could be one, could be Enlil. But some stories, they have him as a hairy, kind of being, you know, it's like a kind of rough-hewn, very hairy, hairy body being, which is really bizarre because it just clocked to me that, you know, is that a kind of very early reference to a Bigfoot type creature going back into the, you know, many, many thousands of years ago. So I find that quite odd because he was, because they were kind of gods. They were like gods of the anarchy, you know, going back thousands of years.

Yeah, I find that, find that really intriguing that that comes up sometimes when you're talking about members of the Ananarchy. And all your giant research, any hairy giants? Or are they all kind of like humanoid? Yeah. I mean, yeah, I mean, yeah, for sure. Yeah, there's quite a lot of stories. Yeah, we get quite a lot in Britain.

Surprisingly, there's the grey man of Ben McDowie. It's like a kind of hairy kind of grumbling creature. That's a mountain. People hear his footsteps and his ghostly figure up in Scotland. We have a couple of accounts from whales, wild, tall men roaming, across the land, kind of chasing people. These are kind of in, these are the same kind of newspaper reports. You're getting in like where you find the giant skeletons, where you find the different

accounts and things like this. So there's quite a few little ones like that. And I've traced a few, there's quite a few other ones as well that keep popping up. And considering how small Britain is, there's still a lot of wild land here. That's why I was so fascinated by all these accounts that I've been digging into. and the Wild Man book by Nick Redfern, which I think is quite brilliant, actually. He covers so much in that.

So, yeah, I mean, in America as well, obviously, I mean, who knows? Loads of the skeletons could be Bigfoot skeletons that are found in caves or found in random places, maybe not the ones buried under mounds or megaliths. But we found one, I think, in Dayton, Ohio. I forget the date, but it was like early 1800s, I think. And the story explains this skeleton.

having really long arm, a very kind of almost like Neanderthal-type face with a long head at the back, and really kind of crouched, solid kind of, you know, figure. And it really didn't sound like a human being. I thought, hang on a sec, that sounds like a Bigfoot. Jim never let me live it down because it was found in gravel for some reason. So we came up with this sort of, you know, this new theory that Bigfoot's are buried in gravel because we had one account of it. But it didn't really get. No traction was formed with that one.

Hugh, do you think that like the wild man, the Bigfoot of Britain, do you think he's much more polite and proper? Like maybe he, you know, maybe does he howl with an accent and does he, you know. Yeah, he's probably wearing like a peeky blinders hat. Yeah, I think he probably breaks from knocking trees down and things for tea, you know. So there's probably some, there's probably a pause in his action. He's a proper big foot. A proper.

Well, that's inevitable. That's just that's the culture here. So obviously he's going to follow the natural culture of ground. Yeah, we need it. That sounds like a T-shirt coming, the British Bigfoot. He's holding the tea. You leave tea and biscuits out. He's like you don't leave carrots and meat.

Right. He's much more polite. He doesn't apologize as much as the Canadian Bigfoot, but that's okay. You know, it feels right. That's not what we're here for it. You've got a new book that's out, Quebec Leaptepe and Kaharan Tepe, the world's first megalis. This is something we've talked about on. the show before. And we'd love to have you just kind of walk through some of the things that

you put in the book, some of the new things. I know that as of at least three or four weeks ago, they're discovering, they're always discovering new things. We kind of talked about this in our first, our first episode on this topic with you that so much of this space is still unescavated. And yet, you know, I can't remember the number. You can quote this, but there are supposedly, you would say there's a, there's a bunch of these type of city settlement, like temple kind of structure things all over this area in Turkey. But these two are the ones that have been worked the most. You've spent a ton of time out there.

And these are, these are the oldest pieces of civilization, if you will. You know, start us off wherever you want because I think this is, to me, especially I love history in our show so often, is about going back to the untold part of history, the alternate history, if you will, because this was a really tough one. If you haven't listened to the episode with Hugh before, this is a really tough one for modern archaeology and modern historians because the timeline of Kaharan and also Quebec Leitepe, these two places. It broke the mold or paradigm, if you will, of what we believed that people were doing, right? This is supposed to be a time of hunter-gatherers, pre-agrarian of supposedly. But you have these very complex megalists, stoneworking, sculptures, art, and then kick us off.

Hugh, this is where you've been spending a ton of your time, and a lot of your work has been. and been here in Turkey, you're leading tours and trips to these places to. So start us off. Where do we begin with us? Sure, yeah. I mean, let's start off at Quebec Leitepe. I mean, because this is the big site. This is like now a world heritage site.

And it is one of now 12 sites under investigation in this whole area. But we believe there's up to 30 sites, maybe 40, you know, stretching across an area, which is 200 kilometers wide. about 125 miles wide, going between the Euphrates and the Tigris rivers, these biblical rivers, which also go all the way down to Mesopotamia, to Iraq as well. And so we have, you know, we have to consider that there's a kind of civilization we're dealing with. It's not just a bunch of sites and a bunch of people making stone circles. It's a whole other thing.

I call it super civilisation, because I think it's the world's first one. And there's lots of evidence to back this up. But we start with Quebec Leitepe, because this was discussed. covered back in 19, mid-90s, you know, by Klaus Schmidt. It was actually originally kind of recorded back in the 1960s by a certain gentleman called Peter Benedict, but they didn't realize the significance back then. They kind of got forgotten about. On the top of this hill, it was like this hill that sticks out the kind of the anti-Torres

mountain range just north of Shanlurfer in southeast Turkey. And there was this mulberry tree, and they called it the Wish Tree. And for years, hundreds of years, women have been going there. And people have been going there to like try and gain fertility and wish for fertility to give birth to have a healthy pregnancy or to try and become fertile for it if they can't have babies. And also for wishes. And it says all the names are associated with this. The Quebecli Tepe translates as pot belly hill or naval hill. There are other translations in Kurdish and Armenian that talk about the Hill of Miracles, the wishing hill of all these different variations.

And so this was a known site where people would go to. And they still do it today. It's still part of a tradition that goes way, way back, especially with the Kurdish people as well. And so that is intriguing because it was almost like a memory of something important there. And, you know, the fact is, you know, when it was discovered in the 90s, and this is like all the sites pretty much, they were all deliberately covered over at the end of their use,

you know, after a couple of thousand years of use, like 10,000 years ago or so. And so they were forgotten about all these civilizations were coming through there, the Hittites, Samaria, the Christians, the Romans, everyone else. And no one knew about them. It was just a distant memory. A few legends kind of may have recalled what was going on.

So these, you know, it's rewriting history and its own right. And only now this is happening. So it really is a remarkable time of discovery. But Quebec Le Tepe is really the big site. Everyone talks about, it's got a visitor center there. It's got you have to get minibuses up to the top. You have to buy tickets. Karen Hentepi started that.

process and that's only just, that's only just really opened. It's not even officially open. And they kind of got things in place there, but we could talk more about that. But, but Gebetli-TEPI, for people who just don't know, for instance, let's just quickly explain it in case people are just going, what the hell is talking about?

And basically, it's a series of, there's potentially 20 stone circular structures there. Only about four, five have been excavated in the south-east corner. and these are almost like stone circles, like almost as big as stone hens, some of them are. But they have upright, two big, upright,

upright T-shaped pillars in the center, so almost balanced on these huge pedestals. And then around them, around the edge, you have generally 12 other T-shaped pillars are slightly smaller ones. And these are all very tall, like the ones in the middle are 18 feet tall

or five and a half meters. And the ones on the outside are like between three and four meters, sometimes up to five in some cases. And then they got carved, you know, bedrock floors out of limestone, beautiful relief carvings on them of different animals, figures, human statues. The central tea pillars are really like abstract humans with arms coming down the side, where belts, with pelts coming down, fox peltz coming down the front, with blank sort of heads as the kind of tea part on top.

So these are really abstract, really unique, beautifully created, crafted sites. And, I mean, they just, it appears like it came out of nowhere. But we do know there is a timeline before that of other sites. We can talk about those, if you like, that do kind of build up to this. Yeah, that's what I wanted to ask. So put it in perspective for people, right? Like, so we're talking the time of this, right?

We're looking like almost 6,000 years before the Sumerians, correct? Big time. It's basically the end of the last I say is 9,600 BC, 11,600 years ago. So let's remember if this younger dryest impact hypothesis was, and this ice age really ended in 9,800 BC. So we're talking like a 200 year period or less between the end of the last ice age when it started warming up and the sudden construction of Quebec Le Tapie and these other sites. But even during the ice age going back like 12,000 to 13,000 years ago, there are sites. There are actual built sites. like there's a site, there's a bunch of them further east or northeast along the Tigris River.

These include Bonchok Lutala, which means field of beads. We've visited this recently. A few megaliths there in these kind of sunken enclosures and beautiful carvings, hundreds of thousands of these beads they created. There's another site called Cortic Tepe, which again is along the Tigris River. This again is older. This is a thousand years older than Quebec Leaptepe. And these were all hunter-gatherer populations.

they weren't growing food, they weren't domesticated animals. It was hints of that happening. But Cortic Tepe, they had structures, even though they still went out hunting and gathering and collecting plants and things like that. You have another site called Grief Filauech, which is slightly further north of there.

And again, we have these kind of enclosures with sort of pillars, but they were built with like small bricks into these big pillars. We don't have any T pillars at these sites, but we do have evidence of relief carving Because at Cortick-Tepi, for instance, we have these small kind of handheld stones that were carved beautifully with 3D reliefs, kind of flat reliefs on them, of these abstract forms, these different animals and symbols. So that idea seems to have been around 1,000 years before Quebec Le Tepe at this cycle Cautic Tepe. Sometimes it feels like when you get that phone bill, it's like the crash site document, you can't read it.

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That has been exposed just recently. It's currently under excavation. Again, no T-pillers there we don't think, but we know that that is, again, at least a few hundred to a thousand years older than Quebec-Let-Tepi, and they were doing things there. We know they're. We know they we're not sure what, not too much construction, but they were carving shapes out of bedrock, we know. So there was a development in this landscape of these different cultures, and it almost feels like there was a kind of migration down from the northeast from the Tigris rivers, areas from Lake Varn and all that, coming down and like integrating with the people who were coming in probably from other areas around this area of Chandlerf, and Nigabekle-Tepi,

and this is when this innovation really kicked off. And now why that happened and why there was such a sudden impact of kind of civilized arts and science is suddenly occurring is really inexplicable, you know, even with all this kind of background and development before that. Interesting. Yeah. So it's just like there's a lot to think about, you know, when you're trying to work out who was coming in from where and why this happened. Do you, is there evidence that people lived here or is this kind of like an ancient Tesla charging station, you know, like where people should. up and they recharge and then they leave, or is there evidence like there was a system, people lived in this location?

Because some of these places just seemed like out in the middle of nowhere, and you're like, is there some sort of energy coming from the earth that they tapped into and they knew about, so they built this structure there, or is it, you know, is it just, there was a society of people that lived here at one point? Well, funnily enough, you just, let's just talk about the energy coming in from the earth first because there was some test done in the early 2000s by Paolo Derbatolyus of the University of Trieste and they did some acoustic test there first which we can talk about later maybe but what they also did was they did some magnetometer test in and they found in the middle of

enclosure D the main largest enclosure at Quebec Letepe this spiraling magnetic field naturally occurring there coming out the ground so what you said might be really right, they may have chosen the site because it had an effect on people when they would go to this hill. They had this magnetic charge and it could affect your consciousness. There may have been strange lights or they felt energy there. And then they literally, it appears they built the site around this particular spot. So I find that really, really interesting that that is the case. And so, but yeah, and you mentioned like, did people live there?

Now, there's for a long time, like Klaus Schmidt, the head archaeologist back then, he was, you know, he's passed away now. He claimed that this was like a temple site, you know, the world's first temple. These weren't really living quarters. These weren't where people, there's no rivers near, near Becali-Tepa. There's no rivers or streams or anything near Carrahan-Tepa. There are

other sites like Nivali Chori, Cheyano, and even the Tigris River settlements. They are near rivers and it's much more obvious that people were living there at some of these sites, with smaller temples built into the kind of villages and things like this. But to me, it feels like

a Beckley-Tepi and Carriyat, are completely temple sites you go to, you do your thing, your pilgrimage there, you might stay there a few nights and then head out or whatever. That's what I think,

because they found all these small structures now around the main enclosures, which they think people may have lived in or stayed in. But the weird thing is, all these little structures have got like small T-pillars in them, like T-shaped pillars, like with carvings on them.

So it's like, why would you, if you were living there, why would you have sort of sacred objects and carvings and things like this there? So yeah, and we know the only way they had water in these areas was through collecting and harvesting rainwater and collecting them into these bell-shaped underground kind of systems, you know, with big stones on top to protect them from dust and debris getting in. And so we know a bunch of them, there were a bunch of them in and around Quebecli Tepe, around Carrahan Tepe and a few of the other sites. So yes, a lot of these aren't near water sources, which is really, really odd. But some of the sites are, there's one called a Yanla-Hoyak, huge sites, not even been excavated yet.

I've got a whole story. I can tell you about that. But there's a spring there at that particular site. And actually, it feeds a stream that goes all the way into Shanlurfa, which feeds the pools of Abraham and the sort of sacred center of the city of Shanlurfa. So, yeah, there's a lot to consider. I mean, people, the archaeologists, now are trying to push this idea that these are domestic sites and the temple spaces, the stone

circles, are community spaces. They're not temples. They're not used for sacred purposes, which I think is wrong. I think these were very much like ceremonial ritual sites, but also innovation centers and teaching places and things like this. They've been charging tickets to go back to Tapie since the beginning, right? Sound tickets. Quite possibly. We talked about this in a previous show on Kahara and Tepe. The enigma here, of course, is the explosion of technology, right? And a lot of what we do on our show is talk about, you know, looking at all these things, ancient history and all the blurry stuff through this biblical lens. And we talked about the watchers, right, the story of Enoch.

And I know you're close with Graham Hancock. And he has, there's a very similar narrative there. There's this interjection of technology. and from a biblical world, do you have this Genesis 6 event? And first Enoch is this expose on Genesis 6 in the fall of the watchers and their impartation of teaching humanity. There's all this stuff that's happening in a place that's not supposed to happen. Can you talk about the vulture stone?

That was something that I hadn't heard about. You touched it on your book, but it's like the Rosetta Stone of Quebec Leitepe. And I think it's fascinating because on this stone is all this stuff that is just, it's advanced astronomy, advanced. mathematics, it's tracking stars, it's tracking lunar calendars. It's actually, you know, like a lynchpin for freaking how to date this place as well, right? I want you to explain it because you've done the studies, but I thought that was something we didn't really talk about. I think is just fascinating because you have all of this knowledge that is then recorded in stone.

Yeah, I think all of that, it seems to have been found there. I mean, let's just talk about, you know, like the idea of the watches as well. I mean, this is, this is weirdly, this is something that actually Klaus Schmidt, the head archaeologist there for a long time. actually talked about, you know, he actually talked about the watches and possibly the anarchy being involved in the original construction and innovation at these sites. Because we know if we look at the Book of Enoch and you hear about the watches or, you know, the angels. I mean, I think your listeners know about this.

They had these different, you know, different watches, different angels had different technology or technological skills or, you know, different things that they were specialized in. And whether it was astronomy, study in the stars, it was like landscape. Gabe, you know, it's even like talking about going off and measuring, some metrology and surveying. Weaponry, pharmacia, right? You had all these, yeah, all of these things, yeah. Working with plants, agriculture, irrigation, everything else.

And so, yeah, so you have all these kind of elements developing and being innovated at sites like a Beckley-Tepi. So we have to question now, was the Book of Enok, were the Sumerian stories of the Ananarchy, actually talking about this era and these places? and were they, you know, the original kind of builders. And I think there's a lot to be said for that. There's a lot of speculations being going on about that. But you start looking into, I mean,

JJ Ainsworth and I have been looking into the Sumerian work. And he started looking at that carefully and decoding it a little bit and kind of placing it towards Quebec Leitepe and Cameroa. Some of it starts to fit. Loads of it starts to fit quite strangely. And so, yeah, I find that really intriguing, especially because they were said to be interested in the movement of the sun, the moon and the stars and the landscape surveying geomancy and things like this so we have the magnetism

we've already mentioned this part of geomancy we have villa 43 or the vulture stone you mentioned that i mean this has got all sorts of remarkable symbolism on it and it's probably the most decorated stone discovered anywhere in the region so far is that is an enclosure d that's the same enclosure with the magnetic anomaly that's just um left or just to one side of the holdstone the porthole stone which more or less north. So it's just the one side of that. You can just about make it out when you go and visit that. You can zoom in on your camera to get a view of it.

And that's got, I mean, the carvings on there are just ridiculous. I mean, you have this sort of vulture thing, holding a ball or a head or a spear in his hand. You have scorpium on the bottom. You have what these three,

what some people call man bags at the top, which we're not sure exactly what they are. All these zigzags on it. Different animals, a headless man. You have cranes. on it. You have different birds and creatures all over it. And it's been decoded by people like Andrew Collins,

Martin Sweateman, Graham Hancock's had to go at it as well and trying to work it all out. And they all say similar things. They're not exactly the same. Some people say the ball is the sun. Someone else say it's the center of the celestial sphere. Others say it's

could be another, you know, astronomical kind of symbol and things like this. But they all generally, it looks like they were, it was a representation of what was going on in the sky. And I think that's what's the fundamental thing. So it kind of proves, you know, pretty much beyond doubt. I mean, I know Martin Sweatman has done a huge amount of statistical analysis.

And it's kind of beyond doubt now. A lot of the symbolism we find at these sites is astronomical and astrological. I mean, there's a site, this is really intriguing. There's a site called Saberch. This is like one of the main sites being uncovered. And just the name of it, I just mentioned the name of it, because Say Birch, if you split it into say, in Turkish it means

counting or numbers. And Birch, V-U-R-C with a little thing off the bottom of the sea, means sign of the zodiac. And Birch, B-I-R-C in Kurdish, means watchtower or tower. And they used to actually be a tower there that got demolished. And so just the name, one name, Say-Berch, kind of explains

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And then we went to Peru this year in June, and they're almost impossible to understand how they did this, right? But the crazy thing about those things is that they are all precisely celestial aligned, right? So there was just an unbelievable grasp and knowledge of astronomy, and they were super specific about what they, you know, the way they set things up. So when you look at Quebec Leitepe and Karatepa, What are they, because I know a lot of different temples and places in megalis across the, the world key on certain, either constellations or stars, is there specifics that these people

that built, you know, Quebec Leitepe and Kahara and Tepe that they keyed in on and aligned these structures with? Yeah, there is. I mean, there's something that I think we mentioned last time myself and JJ Ainsworth, with my partner, we visited there in December 2021, I were there on the winter solstice. And this is one discovery, one alignment out of many others we believe are there. But this winter solstice thing,

the thing that's important about this is that number one, it's not a hypothesis or a theory or speculation. It's a directly observable event, which anyone can go and see today even. 9,000 or so years, 11,000 years ago, that would have been even better. it would have been a slightly better alignment because the sun's slightly further to the south on the horizon back then. And so this is kind of solidifies that they were watching the sun, the moon and the stars.

So that alone is enough to kind of back up all these other ideas that they were watching the sky and they were observing the sky. Andrew Collins, for instance, he's done a lot of research at Quebec Leitepe and now at Carahan-Tepa, focusing on the northern sky going because a lot of these enclosures are kind of orientated like almost north-south, or just off. And the northern section in the wall, they have these whole stones, these porthole stones. And if you kind of align them

and look at the different orientations, they almost like track the different movements of Cygnus or Deneb in Cygnus, which is towards the center of the Milky Way, the dark rift. And this is all part of the kind of death rebirth cycle in cosmology. And others say they actually sort of face to the south

because the T-shaped pillar kind of anthropomorphic figure, of human figures look that direction, look to the south. And some people have said Sirius was rise starting to rise back there. We have Orion.

We have other features in the sky like Taurus and the Pleiades. Many of these are kind of represented carved. JJ Ainsworth is doing a whole bunch of new research looking at the obliquity,

sorry, looking at the golden gate of the ecliptic and the way all the symbols we're finding at Quebec Leitepe are kind of part of what is moving through the sky, have a huge periods of time.

So that's new research, which she's working on now. I'm helping her with it as well. So there's, so it's without a doubt they were doing this. And so, you know, that's why I love the fact that the name of Sayberch actually kind of gives it away, you know,

so I really believe these, I personally believe these were open air, especially the main enclosure of open air temples, or if they had roofs on which is a big debate about this, I don't really 100% go with, that they were opening to watch the sky in certain times of the movements, through the year. Hugh, do you think,

sort of when we were in Peru, you can kind of see how at the base level, construction is immaculate, and then it kind of gets crappy over the decades, years, and people just sort of forget how to build the way they used to build. But I'm just wondering if there's

some of these really old sites where you can kind of see where humans were starting to get things going, and then all of a sudden, this explosion of technology came in. Because, I mean, really, the only technology that's survived is the stonework, for the most part.

So it's a little bit harder. I don't know if that question makes sense but you know i think so yeah i mean you're looking at in peru and bolivia and all those it seems like the earlier larger more sophisticated stuff is the older stuff and everything else is built on top of it but there is i think even there you can trace back a kind of more primitive build-up to that you know in some okay but i don't but it is shocking you know when you go to peru and you see those walls at sexe wuman and that you pitch you and all the places it's utterly mind-blowing and it's similar in uh actually down in southeast terms

because, you know, for a long time, people weren't aware of like Corkic-Tepa or these sites up near the Tigris or Chachmac-Tepa in places like this. They weren't aware there was really anything before Quebec-Li-Tepa. So for a long time, people thought to Quebec-Let-Tepa, just went, boom, out of nowhere, just bang. And that is, I mean, in a sense, that is true because these sites don't really explain how they suddenly came up with this remarkable, huge, megalithic, stone circle complex structures with carvings and alignments and abstract art it was like it was like a genius just came in and said right this is what we're doing you know just and he knew exactly what they were doing you know it's just it seems like has this genius level of sophistication and quality this is why a lot of people when they go to like when i you know you go to peru you go to egypt you go to

Quebec Leitepe, you just think, God, aliens must have done this. I mean, it's the only explanation because it's so outrageous for the time. You know, it just doesn't make sense. But yeah, but if you study, if you look into it, look into the archaeological record, you can find lead-ups in certain way that kind of get to that point. But I think the polygonal stonework in Peru is absolutely insane. I mean, I have to admit that because you get that, you know, you get that in Turkey as well.

You get that quite a lot of areas of Turkey. The Hittites were doing that around 2000 BC. You have the southern coast. You have a whole bunch of sites. There's a site called Maiden Kalesi and a bunch of others. We visited these and made videos about them. They're giant polygonal stonework. You could just imagine you're walking around Kusko or like Saksay-Wama,

not quite as big, but Seth definitely the same style. So how are we finding these in different parts of the world, the same abstract kind of design of these megalithic walls? I mean, there's weird similarities with Peru, with Quebec Litepe as well. I'll just mention this because it's kind of fun. There's, if you go to sites, I don't know if you went to Silasani or Kutimbo, which they're quite dead down there late, Tidaka, still on the Peruvian side. If you get down there.

But even you see, you see similar stuff on the walls of Kuska as well, these sort of 3D relief serpents and other sort of features, you know, carved it, you know, kind of sticking out of the stone. And that style, especially at Silasania and Catimbo, some of the lizards and birds and other creatures carved onto the polygonal kind of towers you find in this area, these Chilper towers, is identical to Quebec Leitepe. It's really, really bizarre. I pointed this out, Graham Hancock did a whole spread on this in his book, Magicians of the Gods because he was so blown away by it when he went there. I went to the same sites as well.

And also, you know, we find a geodetic connection. between Quebec Leitepe and Peru and other places. We do a whole section in the book about this. Like, for instance, I found this years ago, actually, and if you draw a line, which I like doing on Google Earth, between the centre of Quebec Leitepe and Clos D, to the Corricanchetra in Peru, which I know you went to. And that's like the neighbour,

that's like the centre of the Inca and possibly pre-Inca builders. That's the centre. That's like the kind of all them keck, then lines come out from you. So if you join the centre of that with the centre of that with the center of Quebec Le Tepe and measure the distance across the planet. It's exactly 7,928 miles. Now, for those that don't know, 7,928 miles is the equatorial diameter of the Earth, exactly.

And so they were kind of marking that between these centres. And also, the canonical number of the diameter of the Earth is 7920 miles, 7,920. And that's 8 times 9 times 10 times 11. You get that number. And that's part of the ancient canon of measure of the ancient world. And so we have to question was the centre of Kusko originally placed and marked based upon the position in relation to Quebec Leitepe? And I know that sounds crazy, but otherwise this is a wild coincidence. You know, we have to kind of consider that the influence of Quebec Leaptepe could have reached all the way around the planet.

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Oh, yeah, there are a bunch, yeah. I mean, I think we mentioned this previously. You look at Easter Island's really intriguing. The more that comes out of Carrahan-Tepa and Quebec-Li-Tepin, the more it looks like you're looking at the statues on Easter Island. Because of the hands, always coming around the navel and the belly button. You have the thin arms coming down the side. You have these kind of really kind of monumental statues.

There's arguments about the position. I've got a whole thing in this book. I'll just give you some numbers here. I can't remember all the numbers off the top of my head. So you have Easter Island having the similarities in look and style. And I know people like Robert Schocker claiming that that is much older than people think. Because they say it's only a few hundred or a thousand, a couple thousand years old. It's actually much, much older.

older. We have the kind of statues found on Sulawesi in Indonesia as well, which almost looked like Easter Island and some of the statues there. We have the Tijuanauku statues in Bolivia as well, which are very similar. The whole path of vicarotcha stuff there. So, yeah, so there are lots of similarities in style, but also in the geodetic placement of many of these sites. And there's quite a few being found. We have Balbeck, for instance, down in Lebanon, and Howard Crowhurst, a good friend of but he's also a brilliant geometer and mathematician. He's worked out landscape geometries linking up lots of different. And he found that Quebecli-Tepi, Balbek, if you draw a line between them,

it marks a diagonal of a perfect six-square block. And this is called, when you place squares next to each other to try and work out angles and geometry, it's called modular geometry. And he's found that that perfectly aligns. And Balbeck is actually orientated towards Quebec-Ltepe as well. And so you have little things like that. which don't make sense, plus the whole Peruvian thing as well. We have Delphi.

Let me check the numbers here, which is exactly 900 miles, or it's five million Samian feet, a certain length of foot between Quebec, Tepe and Delphi. And Delphi is known as a kind of one of the sites, which is like a surveying point site. It's like Omfilos, you know,

where they have this sacred kind of egg-shaped statue in the center of it. So that's just the tip of the iceberg. There's lots of other comparisons we can keep making. Let's just have a look at one more here. So interestingly, there's a measurement, because I know I'm really interested in ancient metrology. There's a measurement called the Persian foot, which we found over and over again in Quebec Leitepe and Carrahan-Tepe, and that's 1.05 English feet. And five million of those is the distance between the middle of Quebec Leitepe and the middle

of Stonehenge, for instance. and a Stonehenge, you've actually found, they've actually found some 10,000-year-old pine post holes, giant great things, three or four feet wide, which would hold giant, you know, pillars. And so we're looking at something quite remarkable going on around the world at this time. So that's just a few examples. We've got a whole load more in the book.

Well, how do you think they're getting this knowledge? Do you think that there are actual entities showing up, teaching them taking through the ancient engineering class and said and this is how you, make this stuff or if there were you know like we said on our show a lot of times like if these watchers were in an interbreeding with society that they're they're somewhere around checking in on things like a foreman on a job site like i mean are UFOs dropping down and dropping off you know these guys with information with the blueprints i mean how is this knowledge going from somewhere

else to us because obviously we all agree that this isn't just something somebody dreamt and then oh, that's how you, this is how we built it. There's, it came from somewhere else. Yeah, I agree. I mean, the innovation levels there are just incredible. I mean, you've got megalithic construction. You've got geometry, the laying out, I mean, in a specific geometrical pattern. This has been proven now.

I've done, I've got new research on this, which I've started to, we mentioned it in the book. We're finding, you know, specific, precision geometries like we find in Britain, stone circles in Quebec Leitepe. We have acoustics, as evidence of archaeoacoustic properties in many of the enclosures. They were working, they developed agriculture there. We know that agriculture and animal domestication happened after the construction of Quebec Leitepe within 200 years. We have irrigation, we have working with water, we have the magnetism now as well. And there's even evidence, something that JJ's been looking at closely actually, of a writing system in place.

based upon the symbols found at Quebecli Tepe. And this is what's called Lewian script. And this is like a Hittite script, which has also been analysed by Robert Schock and another gentleman, Manu, who's written a paper on it as well. But they believe that, and so does JJ,

that this may have been a memory of what was actually being innovated at Quebecli Tepe and the sites in that area, because the symbols are the same. And there's even names for God and things like this. So, yeah, the innovative. innovation level is incredible, but where did that come from?

Like you said, it's like, to me, it feels like this was a coming together of numerous groups who were just, and they must have had some genius level people in their groups. But also, you know, this is like the Terrence McKenna territory we can get into now. There was innovation of the mind and the sort of brain scape, if you like, through the ingestion of substances, which were naturally occurring in the, the landscape around this area. Because we know that, you know, silocybin mushrooms grew there.

We know they were brewing beer, which often when you use barley to grow beer, a side product of that is LSD-type substance called Ergot, which is, you know, which actually was LSD was produced from. And so that can accident, that can happen when you bake bread as well when it goes mouldy. Also, there's grasses that have been found that grew abundantly in the area, are rich in DMT,

and if you burn huge amounts of it in a small and closed space you can actually get an effect from that so you imagine if they're accidentally drinking LSD infused beer they're going to get inspired

they're not going to be like kind of you know dim-witted kind of hunter-gatherers these are like serious so I think there's a combination of innovation, genius level people coming together

and like working out we have to create a plan because we've survived this younger dry ass we've survived this kind of cataclysm and we need to kind of, you know, put all our knowledge into one area into one place. And it could be, you know, the carvings could represent a kind of ancestral history. It could represent teachings that they're teaching people as they're coming into the area. It could be, you know, ceremonial, a ritual. It could be, you know, and other things

like this. So there's lots of possibilities, but I think that, you know, what I've mentioned there is kind of hitting that, you know, some truth in that. I believe. Nowadays, they would have started a jam band. So maybe they put that to work and did a, you know, did this some construction. I, I know you covered that in the book. It's really fascinating to think about sort of the byproducts of some of the things they were creating.

And the Ergot thing with the beer is really interesting that these sort of have these, you know, sort of psychedelic aspects to them. And we've covered, we actually just did an episode. We talked about psychedelics yesterday, Nick. Yeah, I was just going to say, we talked about it last night. Which was fascinating. Yeah. It seems like people are meeting.

with entities as opposed to just having hallucinations and getting inspiration. Or starting a jam band, right? Yeah. Yeah. Like, and I think there are different types of drugs. There are drugs where you do hallucinate, and then there are drugs where it sounds like you're, you're meeting something, and it's, you're communicating with, because everyone's having the same experience. And if everyone was hallucinating, then all the stories would be different. But just like stories of Bigfoot, Luke, they all seem to be the same. It's a while. Well, it's true, I agree with you. I mean, I think that there's a lot to be said for. for that and that you know it's you know people don't you know realize the significance and the profound

effect it can have on you as well no there's a lot there's a lot of research being done currently and the testing's carried out on on this i mean yeah certainly it feels like you kind of connect into something greater and there's a kind of you know higher intelligence around you you kind of tap into that and the more you take it the more you tap into it this is where many of these myths and rituals and you know, even like, you know, starting to work with calendars and trying to communicate in different ways would potentially come from. But, I mean, I personally think the watchers, you know, or the Ananarchy or a combination, if they're the same people, we don't know, they were doing this as well, that they understood, you know, the natural, because we know they studied plants and herbs and sacraments and things like this. It's written now, it's in the book of Enoch and things like this. And so it's like they actually say these are psychedelic drugs.

You know, they say, you know, different things. And they go off to, they go off and take flight and they go to measure and they kind of go up at what appears to be flying through the sky into these different realms and other such things. But is that an actual interpretation of actually the ingestion of such plants? You know, the way everyone's shining all the time and things like this. Yeah. And I know that Graham Hancock's working on, you know, that when he was on Rogan, he was talking. talking about how they're working on, on trying to map places by elongating people's DMT experiences. And we talked about this actually, again, last night where we were talking about, like,

just these steps in order to activate DMT. It's a learned process. I don't think it's a trial and error processing. That's so complicated in some ways to concentrate that it absolutely, to me, 100% feels like something that has to be learned and was taught from someone who had that, had that knowledge. It's interesting. I know there's a lot of folks that have done a lot of, and are doing a lot of research on

on sort of trying to understand that. But as they said, it's fascinating that people seem to have all the same experiences. They see machine elves. They see the same shiny entities. They talk to them. A lot of times they say the same things to them. And I can't help but wonder if like this is,

you know, after the watchers are gone, that this is perhaps how they taught folks to interact with them when they were no longer, you know, walking among humanity. I don't know. That's just me sort of riffing on that.

But you have to wonder if there's not, like sort of like the telephone, right? And then you pick up the phone and that, that's the way they taught. folks how to do it. And yeah, I mean, you just wonder if they were like hold up somewhere or, you know, they had to do some sort of ritual to access this information because it seems ubiquitous. It seems everywhere. It seems like they all kind of knew somehow. So either they started in ground zero and spread out with this knowledge in their heads or someone was dropping it off here and there.

When they didn't know what they were supposed to do, they could go back and, you know, you're just like any old construction, you got the little foreman shop and you go and like, what are we supposed to do now? right? Oh, you have to build this and that. Okay. There's a guy on site that's making sure the building is, obviously we do things a little bit different now, but I still think there's some similar elements there. And what, when you're talking about like that giant was found in the gravel, right? It was kind of mutated and it was all funky and there was a lot of inbreeding going on between these sort of giant tribes or hybrid tribes. Are they are they building these fertility sites because they're genetically maybe messed up and they're not

able to produce as much as they'd like and or they're a lot of inbreeding going on? I mean, those, some of them have long heads, multiple fingers and they don't, they sound kind of like Frankenstein creatures walking around and maybe they have a lot of problems, like a lot of physical ailments, but they're trying to maintain that sort of royalty or that, that, hey, you know, I'm not a normal human. I'm a step up from that, you know, kind of thing. You think that's involved in some of these sites? Well, yeah, I mean, just, yeah, you mentioned like any kind of deformities.

I mean, there's, weirdly, there's actually elongated skulls have been found, not right in Quebec, they've been found in more in Iran, in the Zagrosse mountains, that kind of area. Going back to nearly 9,000 years, I mean, this is incredible. And there's a whole culture of it going right up into the Ube culture, which were around before the Sumerians in Mesopotamia. But there's hundreds of skulls and cultures of people who would headbind, and some of them look like they're natural as well, which is really bizarre. So you do get that, not necessarily it could barely tell me,

but you do get that in that kind of region of the world. And so, yeah, I think one of the reasons they were kind of innovating at these sites as well is because I think there was a big influence by some genius-level people. This could be the Watchers, this could be the Ananaki, whoever. I don't know. But there's also the fact that they're just coming out of this dark spell, this Ice Age and weather started warming up just before they built a Beckley-Tepi. And if there was a cataclysm, if this younger, driest thing is a reality,

you know, and there was horrific weather, there was animals dying off, crops being destroyed, natural resources drying up, flooding in some areas, you know, just debilitating the soil. then they had to come up with some kind of community effort to survive and to like think about the future generations as well. And so it could be a combination of lots of different things. And so I think that's why they had to, you know, develop ways to survive. And I think part of that was the development of like basic agriculture and like domesticating

the wheat and the corn wheat and other such things in that area. Hey Hugh, the guy that heads up the excavations for the Turkish, I don't know, antiquities or whoever it is, I mean, he's basically said that the new discovery is never had. And even in the last month, they discovered new things. And I kind of wanted to get you to unwrap and kind of in your take on the brand new stuff, right? I know they're finding new monumental statues they found, what they believe the oldest painted statue in recorded history. And I wanted you just to kind of share with our audience what they're finding because you're someone who has your finger on the pulse of what's going on down there. I mean, you're writing books about the space or taking people down there in just the last month really or even you want to go back in the last three months what have they been finding and what is that what is that has that changed our thoughts on anything that's going on there or has it broadened our understanding of what we think it went on there and what and what the purposes of and what the people were doing yeah there's some remarkable discoveries have been made a gross an article about it I made a couple of videos about it because we were there when when these were being discovered actually but they

but they wouldn't show us them because we weren't officials and archaeologists or anything, but we knew they were there. We even had the guy on site describing them to us, but he couldn't show us any photos. So we knew what was going on. We knew those discoveries. We came home and then it got announced quite quickly. So luckily, our friend was there, who's our tour sort of tour manager over there, and he just happened to be at the site on the day they announced it.

One day anyone could get any photos, and he got a load of, you know, he managed. to kind of get access to and that was really helpful and so yeah they found some amazing things there's new enclosure at the top of carahan tepe uh start there and um and this we saw that you know through the month because we weren't there a few times in september and there's a giant enclosure's basically being uncovered at the top with this huge hold stone again towards the north which fits in again with Andrew collins theories of sigorous alignments and everything else but then we knew there were some other stuff that had been found as well we've got to getting rumors of it

and eventually it came out. So one of the things, there was a small vulture statue below the, it's probably about this big. It's probably like two or three feet tall.

And that was just below the porthole stand. Vulture is a symbol of Signaz. It's a little night sky, which is interesting. But next to that, on the right, was this seven and a half foot

tall statue of a seated figure, which was originally broken in three parts. And he's holding his phallus. He's got, you can see his ribs as well. He's got a little square thing carved here as well.

But he's also got what appears to be a beard and a piece coming down here and shaved area above his ears. He carved out. It's almost like wearing a helmet. And he's got this carved, perfectly carved shaped hair. Almost like a short mullet. And it was just like, whoa. But it was a really interesting, accurate human depiction. But the thing is, he was seven and a half feet tall.

He was a giant, basically. And so that really intrigued. Because previously they found statues in Erfah, Shanlurfa, the Erfaman statue. And that's a life-sized statue. That's 5'9, or 1.8 meters. This is 2.3 meters or 7.5 feet. So why was this so damn big?

It was just absolutely huge. And so that really, really intrigued me. And Andrew was convinced, right, okay, because he was with me when we were doing all this. And he was like Andrew Collins. He said, look, this could be an anarchy. This could be like the first depiction ever seen the earliest statue of an Anarchy, which it kind of clicked.

I was like, oh my God, maybe it is. Maybe it is this special. And so, yeah, but it has the fertility symbolism holding his part, holding his phallus. You get a lot of that kind of city. You get that Sabert. You found Earthamand has that as well. This V-neck thing as well, which is very much a symbol of the time,

whoever these sort of V-neck motif, a bit Star Trek style. And so yes, and they also found another one. They found loads already, this giant stone plate, which is beautifully carved again. And it's like polished hard stone, as though it's almost like machined, like you get in Egypt or something. Yeah.

So that was all the stuff from Carahan-Tepa, even though there's a whole load more that's been found there over the last year or two. But then we go to Quebec Le Tepe, and they found while we were there, they were excavating there as well. There was a whole bunch of archaeologists cleaning it up. And they discovered,

But in enclosure D again, just in front of the hold stone, enclosure D in Quebec Leitepe, they found this giant life, well, it's like a life-sized bore, it's like, you know, four feet wide or something. And it was really nicely created. It was just placed there. They found a kind of slab underneath it with these beautiful his and serpents and serpent head carved on it. And that was sort of sitting underneath the bore. But the bore, as you mentioned, had three different types of pigment on. on it like red, a black and a white paint almost,

you know, different parts of it were painted in different color. And there was enough on it for them to determine what was going on. And they claimed this was the first ever statue, earliest ever statue, that has this on it. But actually, a few years ago, in enclosure C, they found another ball and they found red pigment in that one. So this isn't technically the earliest paint they found. It's actually They found three colors on this one. But also in that enclosure,

they found another fallen T pillar, almost on its side, like it's going on its side. And then it's got another hole, almost two holes almost carved through it, which we'd never seen before either. So there's quite a few new things coming out of the ground there. So they're the main ones that have been discovered,

but there's more, there's more being discovered at Say Birch. We went there, we witnessed a human skeleton in a pit. we saw a giant U-shaped, perfectly carved like a big window, half a window carved out of solid rock, a huge great thing. Other features have been found there as well. We even explored a hundred metre long, 300 foot long tunnel carved into solid bedrock.

Perfectly, like beautifully carved all the way down. And it kind of got thinner as it went down in sections. There were carved stones at the bottom. And no one even knows about this. This is something we got to know the locals and got access to this. This is near one of the sites, actually. We're not allowed to say exactly where it is at the moment. And no one knows about it.

And we're just like, what the hell? This is like a massive. If this is as old as this or, you know, maybe it was carved later, but still, who carved it? You know, we don't know who did it. Even if it was carved a couple of thousand years ago, it's mind-blowing. You know, so that's a new thing as well. So that's something that does me and Andrew and JJ kind of sussed out when we were there on this last trip. To me, it always seems interesting that the giants just die off.

They die out somehow, right? And you hear rumors that they had all kinds of problems and issues, blood diseases and other things. And you wonder if some of the early ones were building some of these sites to try to increase their fertility. And that's why you see all this phallic stuff all over the place. And like, are they trying? Are they, do they, it's like they're not supposed to be here. They were sort of a genetic mutation that kind of got forced into humanity. And they probably had a lot of issues and problems.

But I wanted to ask a question, do you see, you know, obviously the UFO conversation's coming up a lot these days. Is there any UFO sightings in these areas or crop circle stuff around the areas? Is there any evidence that this ancient stuff and this modern, you know, phenomena is connected at all? Or is that just wishful thinking on my end? Well, we know, for instance, that we know that there's magnetic anomalies. You know, we know that for short now at Quebec Leitepe. Let's just rewind one other thing you mentioned there first. Well, you mentioned like they're trying to increase fertility,

increase kind of vitality somehow by somehow working that into the sites. And we think that's a big deal. We think that's a reality. And actually, we're writing about that now in an article we're doing. me and Jade, it's going to be part of another book as well. And we both believe that the winter solstice alignment at Carrahan Tepe is part of this annual cycle to increase fertility, to increase virility, to increase energy in the land and in the people and in the consciousness and in the plants, the animals and everything else.

And because loads of other cultures, if you look back and carefully study their traditions, you find the same kind of thing, that there was like wild dancing, sexual rights, birthing chambers and things like this. And this was all about fertility and regeneration and health and vitality and increasing that. Because many of the statues you find at these sites, especially Carahan-Tepa and Quebec Le Tepe, they're all emaciated. They've got like ribs showing. Even the new statue has this.

There's skinny arms. They're like almost like the suffering. And so we, you know, postulate, you know, hypothesize that this, that they were trying to do something about that. you know, maybe it's a representation of what happened after the cataclysm. They were trying to, you know, get things right again after this. As for paranormal activity, I don't know too much about that in this particular part of the world. I've heard rumors of, interestingly, that when the horrible earthquake happened, I think early last year, early this year even, and there were some strange, very strange lights were being filmed in the sky.

in this whole area around Gaziantep. Now, we think that's actually like, because you actually get earthlights, you know, often occur before earthquakes happen, because you get all this movement under the ground. Pseoelectric effect creates these kind of balls of light and this plasma on the surface and in the sky. But when we saw the footage,

it just looked like this was like, couldn't explain it. It didn't look like anything like balls of light, you know, you've seen before, related to earthquake zones. Yeah, so that was intriguing when we saw that. But as for accounts of activity, as you're asking, I don't know too much about that in this part of the world. I haven't heard too much about it.

How much of this is still yet to be an excavator? How much has actually been excavated? Are we at 10%? There's 90% still out there because it seems like, you know, as the Turkish officials there say, they find, they're never-ending new discoveries. Like, how much do we don't know? I mean, based on how much hasn't been worked? Well, a few months ago, they were saying, this is before this year's excavation at Carahan Tepe, they were saying 1% of the site had been uncovered.

And quite a lot of it had been uncovered by that. And now they think they're kind of estimate it's probably like they're nearing 5%. And whereas Kebeckli Tepe is probably the same. I mean, and they've been at that for like two or three decades now. Some sites haven't even started being excavated yet, you know. So we're talking probably between 1 and 3%, I would imagine. That's my estimate, maximum 5% of all the sites, you know, when we're looking at that. Because even sites that have been, you know, exposed, like, you know, Navali Churi,

which actually got destroyed because of the dam, the water's coming through. Most of that was excavated fortunately, so that ups the kind of percentage slightly in the whole area. But very little, really. I mean, this is why this next few years is going to be just, it's going to get ridiculous. you know, we get excited about this statue and this bore statue, but my God, there's going to be a lot more. That being said, right? It's such a, we're just scratching the surface. If you're looking just kind of postulate a little bit, like, what do you think we're going to find? What do you, what do you hope we find? You're there, you've been digging around. If you're to dig your best guess, what do you think we

find as we continue down this road of uncover and stuff? It's going to be like that meme where the T-Rex has the UFO in its mouth. Yeah. That's what he's. is going to find. Well, I'll be in, I'm looking forward to finding, like, proper, you know, graveyard, like skeletons, you know, about who these people really want to get DNA testing done and stuff like that. But, you know, there's a LIDAR scan, or sorry, a GPS scan has been done of Quebec. You can be some years ago now.

And there's what a pit, and you can see the shapes of the enclosure have been excavated yet. And one of them is about twice the size of the biggest one already exposed. Wow. So we're like, whoa. And one of the things I've been uncovering as well is the different geometries of these sites, which is astonishing, you know, when I've been analysed. It's hard to explain verbally, you know, we have to show you images of it and stuff. But we're finding the same geometries already with so little excavated that we're finding in British stone circles.

Even in a nab to plier in Egypt is the same egg-shaped geometry as enclosure D at Quebec Leitepe, for instance, and things like this. And what I think we're going to find is more evidence of what we've already found of geometry, astronomy, and metrology. We're going to find evidence of eventually who these builders were. And suddenly all these stories about the Ananaki

and watches is all going to come true. That's what I'm predicting. Wow. I love that. This might be a dumb question, but obviously the type of stone would lend to its surviving longer time periods. and some places might be building the same things,

but they're using different materials. And so, like, in Kusko, you know, some of these stones are just like the type of, you know, I think that's why it appears to be so much more magical there because maybe they had better rocks to work with. And does that lend for the survivability of some of these ancient places, better material? Well, the handy thing about the sites of Southeast Turkey

is that they've all been buried deliberately at the end of their use a long time ago. civilizations have come through, they're not even knew they existed. So they've survived intact, in almost pristine condition in some of the places, some of the areas of Quebec Leitepe, for instance. And so thankfully, they did bury them, you know, and we know that, you know, firstly, most of it's made of limestone, different types of limestone, very high quality, some of it as well, very beautiful, smooth limestone.

It's quite hard, actually. And so that's not going to last if it was left on the surface too well. that's going to get weathered, okay, over time. So the fact that it was buried as preserved and saved and kind of made us appreciate, you know, what there is today. I mean, because one of the weird things as well is that they preserved,

they preserved and repaired the sites before they buried them. They put things in the right place and then buried them. They replaced things where they should be really accurately with packed stone and rubble and earth around it. So it wouldn't get damage. It was really neatly done.

It's like they mummified the, the, yeah. It's just like, I mean, just that work. I mean, is, that's an incredible job in its own right just to do that. The hundreds of thousands of tons that must have been placed inside them. So imagine how hard it is for them to excavate it now. It makes you wonder, you know, why? It's like the old stadiums in, you know, in America that they, they build a new one, they retire and they just knock it down.

And in this case, they just sort of filled it up. And they're like, this is the old thing. And we're just going to keep it for posterity, I guess. But it's, you know, what a gift in some ways, right? The way you describe it, you know, how it's buried like that, kind of sounds like if you've ever shipped anything overseas, something big, you want to pack it and prepare it for something. Now, on our show, we'd say, you know, there's a judgment coming from God.

Do you think that perhaps they know this judgment's coming? They're trying to preserve their spot before this, you know. Cataclysm comes? Yeah. Yeah, they may have been concerned about another cataclysm. Yeah, maybe. Maybe that's one of the things. One of the theories actually is a gentleman called Cohen.

Cohen, he actually came on our tour, and he's a geologist, and he did, he gave a lecture, and he came up with this remarkable theory as to why they buried them and moved on from the area. And he believes, and he's looked at the data, and I'm going to discuss it more with him and include this in our next book, because he claims that what was happening around the time they started burying it, which would have been 10,000 years ago, around 8,000 BC. A couple of thousand years after they kind of constructed these sites, more or less, is that the Earth's magnetic field was trying to change. It was trying to do a pole shift, but it didn't quite do it.

But what happened is when that was going through that process, the magnetic field weakened so much it became almost to zero. And so all the solar energy would come through it, and it would be not only really hot. It would give people cancer and it would, they would like get, you know, burnt skin and they would just be suffering all the time. Over time, it's got worse and worse. So they may have thought, right, we've got to move on. This is when they moved on and disappeared, went somewhere else. Incidentally, this could be why they built in underground cities like Derren Kuyu and came actually in Capadogia. They moved on hoping to find another area. Maybe they couldn't

find anywhere to escape the heat, but they went underground instead to do that. And so, So that's a really strong theory, I think. And it kind of makes sense when you look at the data. So that's one idea. So that could be sensed as a kind of cataclysm, if you like. But it may have been something else. Some people, as other researchers who claim there was other kind of commentary threats coming through around that time as well.

It could be a case of like, you know, one of the reasons you would bury it is because, you know, by the end of its use, it's quite old. It's a couple of thousand years old. So this is a memory, you know, preserved information and knowledge and wisdom of potentially hundreds, if not thousands of years being kept in one place. They had to preserve it. And the only thing they could think of doing it was like burying in it. And they knew sometime in the future they're going to uncover this and realize who us people were. So I think there's elements of all these involved in why they were bury it.

It was like the time capsules we did, Nate, in elementary school, like in the 80s, right? You put all your stuff in there. You put like a cassette tape and an 8 track and who knows what else. Yeah, I don't know. Like a no fear shirt. Put it all in there. It is interesting if they have some sort of cosmic energy that they're tapping into. It's not like oil, right?

But I mean, we do that as just regular humans. When the oil field dries up, we move on, right? And it could be the same thing. But obviously they had knowledge of sort of a cosmic energy that we're just starting to scratch the surface of and know that it's there. right lay lines and grids and things like that are a lot of the conversations we have but man hugh i love it it's always good to go back to the golden age and the weird times of the ancient times must have been wild that's all i got to say is there must have been just weird things walking around and who knows what it would have been like uh my last question is if you could go back to

one of these sites and see it as pristine at the height of the technology which place would you choose well it has to be uh i want to go back to the final winter solstice of canara hantebe before they covered it over, you know, which were fitting quite nicely with us being the first ones to witness it when it was uncovered. So that would be interesting. We've actually tried to visualize that and kind of understand that, what it would have been like.

And we're actually working with a guy now, a guy called Kevin from America, from Colorado, who's a brilliant graphic artist. And he's actually got you some of my scans, actually, of the site. And we were trying to reproduce, kind of accurate recreation of the site how it would have looked and everything.

So I'm obsessed, and so is JJ, actually, about Carahan-Tepa. So that would be the place for me. I love it. Oh, Kevin from Colorado. Kevin, Kevin from America. It's such an American name. I love it. I love it.

Hey, Hugh, tell everybody, but. Shout out to Kevin from America. I love it. Sorry to you. Tell everybody about the book where they could find it. and all the details around that. Also, as always, where they can reach you and find out what you're doing, perhaps go on a tour,

perhaps interact with some of the work you're doing. Sure, yeah, the book, this is the book. It's Gabili Tepe and Kerahatabai the world's first megal. It's a small wooden book, one of the series. Officially, it's not quite in America yet. It's in lots of other countries. It's just filtering through. But I think you can actually order it weirdly on

Amazon.co.com. look at UK and it's actually in America and it will get sent from America within America. I don't know why that is. And also it's published by Wooden Books and they have a website, woodenbooks.com, which you can get it from. But yeah, we're, yeah, and it'll be, it'll be out and about different languages all over the world in the next couple of years. And we're working on a bigger book as well, it's much more in depth going into some of the

subjects. We'll talk about getting into some of the more obscure subjects as well. And yeah, people can go to megalithomania.co.uk. And yeah, we run a couple of tours in May and September out to Turkey to all these sites. And we've got really good access. We know all the families. We get kind of private access and things like that. It's great.

And yeah, we run a whole bunch of other trips. And we need this because this funds our research because we're completely self-funded. We kind of have to manage our kind of manage that care. We run a couple of conferences. Our big conferences in May, a megalithomania, Glastonbury. We do the Origins conference in November as well. Yeah, and people can just search for Hugh Newman. They'll find all sorts of stuff.

I love it. I love it. I feel like the blurry verse and some of our members have been posting photos. I think a bunch of guys on, when Graham was in Peru last time, a bunch of blurry listeners took some photos with him and sent him to us. Cool. It's kind of cool. Like the fan base is spreading and people are.

in the Blurrieverse and appreciate that. Yeah, we're grateful to you. We're grateful to spend some time with us, man. Yeah. Become a friend of the show. It's good to see you, man. I know it's late in the UK. So thanks for spending,

burn the midnight oil with us today. Yeah. That's totally cool. Really enjoy it, actually. I mean, to be honest with you, but I'm just fascinated by all this because you get, you get some such cool, obscure information. People talking about giant footprints and big foot in obscure places.

You got old Timothy Albrey. you know, getting abducted by aliens in Peru. Oh my God, it's all happening. So you really kind of want it, aren't you? Thanks you. Well, that's cool. Yeah, I mean, sometimes we're just, we wonder, like, what people think about our show, you know.

But, you know, you try to have more of a, you know, we don't take ourselves too seriously, but we do take the content very seriously. And I think sometimes people think that it's just a joke to us. But we just try to make it fun for people, because everyone's coming at this from a different angle. Some people come from the Sasquatch angle. some people come from the archaeological angle or the theological angle,

and we're all just trying to make an interesting suit that everyone can get something out of. Speaking of Turkey, we're just a couple of turkeys asking questions, I mean, I appreciate you. But I'll tell you what, Hugh, you know what, if you really want to make Nate's year this year, if you just send him a little blurb on the Black Pyramid for Christmas, he's going to be a very happy man.

Yeah. And Hugh, Luke's been doing some drawings of those seven-foot-tall phallic thing. So he wants to compete with Kevin from America as a graphic designer. Let me put my hat in a ring. Yeah. Okay. It's like super bad. I can draw one thing. I'm a bit worried, but yeah, I can't. We kid. We kid. No, it's great. It's great to see you, Hugh. Thanks again. Thanks, dude. Man, yeah, love your work. I would love to get out there. Maybe one of these days, once we, uh, family gets a little, little older and able to travel with kids, we can get out. I'd love to come see, come one of your tours and see NC Carrey and see, I mean,

that's on the bucket list. And if you're ever in Nashville, Tennessee, you better look us up because we're, we'll do. We're around here. So appreciate it, brother. Good to see you. We'll take you to see a squash. They're out here. Okay. All right. It sounds like a plan. All right. Thanks very much, guys. Really appreciate it. Yeah. And I'll keep tuning in as well. Thanks, brother. Good to see you. How we get ahead.