Blurry Creatures - EP: 22 The Nephilim Kings with Dr. Judd Burton

Episode Date: February 4, 2021

Burton is back. Renowned historian, anthropologist, archeologist, and professor, Dr. Judd Burton returns to Blurry Creatures to reveal his most recent discovery. In an episode that will make your head spin, we look to the language of the ancients for clues that reveal a startling ancient truth.  Do all ancient words for "King" share a similar origin? What might this tell us about the ancient giants? Is there a worldwide connection in the linguistics used for the word 'ruler' across ancient civilizations and time? Find out now.  www.beyondburton.com Judd's Paper: https://store.payloadz.com/details/2658197-ebooks-history-quotthe-war-of-the-words-god-kings-and-their-titles-a-preliminary-report-on-the-linguistic-relationship-between-the-rephaim-and-royal-titles-in-eurasian-languagesquot.html [e-mail] blurrycreatures.com Socials instagram.com/blurrycreatures facebook.com/blurrycreatures twitter.com/blurrycreatures Music Kyle Monroe: tinytaperoom.com Aaron Green: https://www.instagram.com/aaronkgreen/ Outro Song: TimeCop1983: timecop1983.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I know. It's really interesting. Every day, like someone sends me a video and I go to click on it to watch it and see what's going on. Deleted. Gone. Scrubbed. Yeah. Well, if you don't have the preferred narrative, preferred opinion, you don't get to do it. It's just gone. It's gone. Well, hopefully we aren't deleted one day. So if you'd go to tune in to blurry creatures.

We'll be on pirate radio. You can't delete this. We've got to get this out of the people. I don't know, man. We'll put it on ham radio until everybody's to tune in on ham radio. We'll do it live. Well, I saw an article the other day that said that they're going after podcasts. It's like the loophole of media they can't control.

Well, remember Joe Spotify. Joe Rogan signed a $100 million deal with Spotify. And they tried to cancel them right away because it couldn't control him. him in his narrative. Well, people inside the company did, that wasn't going to happen. But Joe Podcasts. Joe Spotify. Joe Podcast.

Yeah, we're going to have to do some blockchain podcasting platform, something. Something's going to come out. There's got to be a way to get around all the censorship. But, yeah, if we're just deleted one day, you know what happened. We pushed the envelope too far. We talked about too many weird elongated skulls and the DNA and the Bigfoot, and they just deleted us. And then you can bet that Nate's gone to live. with the little people.

And I'll just keep on, keeping on here in Franklin, Tennessee. Yeah. Luke is a big man. It would be funny to see a photo of you and the little people. Yeah. It would. And just, you know, Henry Hudson, your favorite narrative. Henry Hudson.

And you know that he actually went bowling and got drunk with dwarfs? Dude, the best person we could have interviewed for this show was Duke for the number one guest. It was just kicked it on. just kick things off. Yeah. I love it. And we can make fun of me for a minute as well. We got a message this last week from a listener that said that every time that I talk,

it reminds them of Darius Rucker. Let it reel. The tears fall down your face. Let it fall. That's all I got. Luke's going to convert from podcasting. You have to go into a whole new genre, right? You're going to start a band.

Yeah, just a Darius Rucker. her cover band. But thank you for the messages. If you guys want to send us a message, social media at Blurry Creatures. We pretty much have almost all of them. And you can email us Blurry Creatures Podcast at gmail.com. Today we have the one and only Judd Burton.

Dr. Jud returns. Dr. Judd. He's our most, he's like the one guy that comes back. He likes what we do, I guess. Tim Albarino has made a repeat appearance as well. So we've got, you know, We've got guys that think that are just deep, deep resources and you bring them back to, you know,

to also fill us in on any new studies, new happenings, you know, thoughts on on all the above. So I'm stoked to have Dr. Jud Burton return. And we're going to stay, stay right in that vein of giants and the Nephilim, the Refiame, because we've been just sort of living here and we're going to continue to live here because we believe it's all really related to Bigfoot, As we talked about in the very first episode, Bigfoot is the gateway drug to blurry creatures. And so we continue on this path. And I'm just really excited to have Judd back and hear what he has to say about his new study that he's working on. Yeah.

Yeah. But Nate and I've been on a little bit of a, it's been a minute since we recorded. So I think we just sort of spaced and got excited and forgot to push the old record button. Yeah. We had Timothy Albarino on the show and he kind of blew our mind. minds for a couple episodes and we've been just kind of yeah Tim's got some good stuff for sure yeah it was a little bit hard to know like where do we go from here like like it was like a three hour just bomb of info and it was kind of like everything we've been talking about on the show like hypercondensed

all over the place it was a good one so I think after that and I love about having Tim on and Yes, and having, you know, you on Judd and some of these repeat guys, his personalities are so different. I'd say, like, Tim is so intense and just, like, intense, intense, intense, intense. And whereas we can talk about defensive coordinators and actually get a few laughs. I don't think we get that far with Tim. Yeah, we forgot to press the record button those listening, and Judd has a headset on, like he's, you know, a defensive coordinator.

Right. And he missed it. He talked about how he was in a jazz band and he used to wear berets and I asked him if he had dreadlocks. And then we just talked about mega pastors. And we covered everything we need to cover before you guys tuned in. It was very stream of consciousness. It was like we were inside the mind of William Faulkner. It really weird. It really was one of those things, which is what I appreciate about these. Good to remember five minutes in versus an hour and a half in going, oh, the whole conversation wasn't required. Also, you're privileged because if you would have recorded a week earlier, Nate was clean-shaven. No kidding. Yeah. Now he's just, he's, uh, yeah.

So we wouldn't, we wouldn't be the bearded trio. Oh, we're kind of, yeah. And still, Nate's now gone very far into last place, but we're still going to keep them. I know. Nate, you want to do that intro again? Yeah, I'll do the intro. Yeah. All right.

Welcome back to the show, Dr. Judd Burton. Jed, you've, uh, this will be your third episode. our first episode with you actually is the most popular podcast on the platform so far. You beat Dr. Jeff Maldrum. It's the doctor, the duel of the doctors. You win the prize, Jed. Fantastic.

Luke is still Dr. Meem, by the way. Honestly, Judd, I don't even know where this comes from, but this is what Nate thinks it's hilarious. Just like I think Nate's obsession with the little people is hilarious. He thinks this is hilarious. Dr. Meem. You said that last time, Jed. When I was editing, I was laughing because you were like, Doctor.

Meem. Yeah, you should save that as a sound bite. Yeah, I need to. That's a good point. I'm going to have to put it on my Twitter bio before they remove everybody's Twitter accounts. It's Dr. Meme as well. Right.

Before everything, upon everything is completely censored away. Yeah. It's just AOC left on Twitter. That's it, you know. Yeah. But, Judd, you kind of, you were telling us while we were not recording that you, you woke up in the middle of night and you had some sort of, you had some sort of, you sort of thought revelation.

I don't know of epiphany, but tell us about where the impetus for this and, you know, you emailed Nate and to tell us that you're working on something really interesting and we'd love to hear about it. I guess the sort of typical imagery of beginning a research project is, you know, scholar lost in an archive or library or something like that. there were no Acadian manuscripts or tablets or anything like that or

linguistics books. I was, I woke up in the middle of the night, you know. You know, being musicians, you guys understand, you know, you never know when the stuff of Revelation is going to hit you for a song or something like that. It was, it was kind of rock and roll.

So, you know, I took it for what it was and I was sort of transported to, you know, in my mind to, the lecture hall again. And my world civilization classes, I used to do these little exercises for my students to demonstrate how similar words are retained and how languages also change over space and time, specifically Indo-European languages, since we were dealing with the old world for the most part.

And you can do this with a lot of words. usually their core words like kinship words and object words, position words, time words, institutional sorts of words. But the one that I inevitably always went to, it was really my go-to example, was the word for king. And linguists posit that the bulk of Eurasian languages originated with this proto, what they call proto-Indo-European. And the heartland for that was in Central Asia, basically. The region between the kind of West Central Asia, the region between the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea. And you had waves of migration, you know, over hundreds and thousands of years from this point.

and you have the carriage of those languages that change over time from this shared origin. And for instance, when you're looking at a word for king, a ruler, when one group broke off and went into the subcontinent of India, their language became Sanskrit. And the word for king in Sanskrit is Raja. And another group broke off and ended up in the Italian peninsula and became the Romans. And their word for king was Rex. And so at the beginning of that, you have a similar construct. When you break words, the smallest components of words that you can break them down into are called morphemes in linguistics. And so you have an R and a vowel.

And you also have something that's called a cognate, which is a shared idea, a similar idea between words. So obviously there's preservation of that idea in these similar words. these words that are structurally similar. And you could go on and on with words that sprouted out of Latin like Spanish. The word for king is Ray in French. It's Roy. And even in English that was Latinized, rather, after the Norman conquest, you have words like regal and royal that we retain in usage today. And you kind of get the picture.

There's this shared origin in Indo-European. languages. And then I started to think about some of the work that people like Dr. Mike Kaiser and Derek Gilbert and there's a very good Estonian a seriologist named Dr. Amar Anus, who's done some really good work too, on the similarity between Refiame, which of course, building on our last program, the Refiame were one of the tribes of giants in the ancient near east mentioned in the Bible. Well, scholars have since linked the root of that word, again, that initial morpheme of an R sound and a vowel, with other words in proximate language groups, specifically Mesopotamian languages and Phoenician language.

This word is, or rather, ref, I remember that first part, Ropp, is related to a word for prince or ruler in Acadian, which is, appears most often as Rop or Rob. and these are the there's secular usage but there's also an allusion to dead ancestor kings because the last portion of that that word the Abu part or Apu part refers to the

Apsu or the abyss in Mesopotamian mythology now in the Eucharitic literature which was the Phoenician stuff you have a very similar construct Raup and Rapi and Rapiom also show up in great detail because there are actually rites and spells and incantations that accompany this funerary cult. In other words, they were worshipping their long-dead ancestor kings who were essentially god kings from their mythology that needed to be placated and venerated, which interestingly

enough is the title of Derek and Sharon's Gilbert on that subject. veneration, which is an excellent book, by the way. So I'm putting all this stuff together, right, at 3 o'clock in the morning. I write down a few notes in my phone, and I'm like, man, I need to sleep on this and just hit the ground running the next day with a fresh set of eyes. And so when I get up the next day, I'm thinking about this connective tissue between the Refayim, those concepts in proximate and older languages, as in the case of Acadian and Samarian, which is likely where the Acadians got the word from.

And I'm thinking about what if there were, you know, because there are always borrow words, there's always diffusion between cultural groups. That's just a, it's a historical perennial. And so it wouldn't have been out of character for proto-Indo-European or proto-Semitic in the ancient near East to have share words. And I'm just wondering if I did a cursory examination, a survey of not extensive, just kind of superficial, how many words in Indo-European languages,

the languages of Europe and Asia, could I find that contained this morphine of the R and the vowel and also meant king or ruler? and quite frankly gentlemen what i found astounded me is there there's an overabundance of the occurrence of these these kinds of words in uh european and asian languages and i believe that there's a link that goes all the way back to these god kings that the first civilizations worship because you know as a footnote to that we have to remember that virtually all antique civilizations were theocratic monarchies. In other words, their politics and their religion

rode in the same cart. And further, the concept of the king was such that they either believed that the king was an incarnate god or representative of some kind of gods on the earth. You can think of the Egyptian pharaoh, even on this side of the planet, the Maya kings of their city-states were believed to be deified in this manner. And this is a continuation. what the Refayim set up. They were these original oppressive autocratic god kings in the post-flood world. And they're even carrying on a tradition, if we're to believe, the apocryphal literature, that began with the watchers and the Nephilim and the pre-flood worlds.

You get some images of it in Genesis 6, but it's really fleshed out in books like Enoch that talk about the oppressive rules. rule that the watchers and the Nephilim especially exacted over people because they consumed all of their resources, they enslaved them, they eventually used them as food, they tampered with their genetics. That doesn't sound like a just king to me. So I also believe that this is kind of a piece of cultural engineering, linguistic engineering

on the part of the watchers and the Nephilim and then the later refaim to take a concept like the, the perfect, pure, just, sovereign of the universe, Yahweh, and then characteristic of the demonic realm, turn it on its head and turn it into something that's the exact opposite. And what are the implications of that? Because we retain these words, you know, if there is this link, which I believe there is, and can be demonstrated with linguistics, that's kind of disturbing, you know. Are you saying that the word Rafa or the Raffaim is, is it opposite of Yahweh?

It's like playing the record backwards or something? Yeah, well, yeah, I mean, you know, you know, whatever theology people subscribe to, you know, if you look at the history of demonology, you know, they basically make terrible parodies of what is presented from a biblical worldview. Yeah. It's the counterfeit, right? It's like the Antichrist. It's the...

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See Mintmobile for details. Judd, I find this, I honestly, I find this fascinating because if we do go all the way back to the beginning, right, these entities, these watchers were actually, they were in charge of realms. So they come from a kingdom.

So when they come to this place and into earth, then all they're doing is replicating the kingdom structure yet again, except they're putting themselves at the top instead of God. Then what we see replicated on earth is really a counterfeit or a twisting or a bastardization of what we actually saw in heaven. Yeah, I mean, to a degree. You know, I think that creation, you know, retains a substantial portion of what God

poured into it. I think the human being is an example of that. I'd just been in terms of structure. So if they were just taking the hierarchical structure that we see in a kingdom, and that's why we have kingdoms, and we had a

kingdom and in our history, right? It's just it's a Yeah, well, yeah, I mean, again, you know, it goes back to the counterfeit, you know, the watchers couldn't create anything, you know. I mean, the chief architect of that celestial coup,

Satan, wanted to be God, but he couldn't, he didn't have the power to create. He could only manipulate. And we see that explain in greater detail in Enoch, you know, concerning the watchers. That's all they could do was tinker.

They couldn't create anything in it of themselves. And so that's what they do, not only with the physical realm, but also, you know, is kind of, you could kind of look at the manipulation of culture and language as a big scihop. Yeah. Yeah, it's, it's sharing of forbidden and just, yeah, and destructive knowledge, as you say,

in your, in your extrapolation here, I was looking, it's a great read, by the way. You know, all of the, you know, the sharing of that knowledge that the watchers perpetrated, you know, look at what it set off in the pre-flood world. You know, humanity plunged into this age of, of, you know, Lord of the Rings level wickedness. And God said, you know, not that he couldn't see that down the pike, obviously, but, you know, we're not going to do this. You know, there's some interesting things about, you know,

how the giants, you know, reappeared on the earth after the flood. And, you know, where did this watch your knowledge come from after the flood? And you get, you get bits and pieces, you know, there's a passage in gesture about, about our facts and the recovery of this knowledge, because there were some monuments or rocks that the watchers had encoded their knowledge into, and that's sort of how you get a reboot of what's happening in the post-flood world. But, yeah, getting back to our initial point, that that's what the demonic does is they manipulate, they try and re-engineer and repackage, you know, and I think there's, like I say,

I'm making a case here that there's evidence in this one, this is one word. it has wide-reaching implications because it's a political institution words. But I'm not saying that it, you know, I'm not saying that there's not a natural flow of language. I'm just saying that this shows, or that the usage of this word is malicious in every instance, but I'm saying that it carries the baggage and the imprint of this manipulation by the refine. So it's like the word has sort of like a DNA that you can trace back. Right, exactly. And how many words did you find?

You said you found like 100-something words? The cursory list that I made was about 80 words. Yeah. And I really honed in on the best ones that I found in the paper that I put out and made available to the public. Yeah, we'll put a link to that in the show notes so you can go. Okay. Yeah, but I mean, when Joe, when you laid us out, it's the ancient Mediterranean, Western Asia, South Asia, East and South Asia. East Asia, Indonesia, medieval Europe.

How similar are these words? Well, in construct, you know, I mean, obviously there's going to be regional and and some cultural difference, but, you know, again, the thing that I'm looking for that tied it all together was the, was the R sound followed by a vowel sound. and you know the reason that you can sort of play hard and fast with the the vowel sounds is that in a lot of languages you know those were understood particularly you know i mean not in oral languages that aren't written down it's not really that big of a deal but you know like in semitic languages like in hebrew hebrew didn't become a written language until about the 10th century bc and the vowel markings didn't come until later in the writing they were just understood and so you got this string of consonants.

And so that's why I focused in on words that contain this particular morpheme, even if they had a consonant before the R, but the R and the vowel and this particular idiom, this meaning of the king or ruler, was really the key thing that I focused in on. And it recurs all over the Eurasian continent. So we've got to, we have like a lineage.

of all this really beginning with the Refayim and therefore by default proving biblical giants right I mean that that is well I mean this is just another piece to the puzzle at least linguistically you can linguistically I you know I get it you know linguistics is not it's not Indiana Jones okay it's not the most engaging you know part of anthropology but there's but it can be quite abstract I mean there's there's There's a mathematics to it. The Proto-Indo-European language, for instance, I talked about it being a reverse-engineered language because linguists examine all these similarities

between words like King that sprout out of Indo-European. Conceivably, because of the proximity of the Proto-Indo-European heartland in the ancient Near East, where Proto-Semitic would have been, Using the same kinds of methodology, you know, conceivably there could be a language that predated proto-Indo-European and proto-Semitic that both of these groups branched off of. And when you, you know, again, when you begin to consider the possibility of that, that's a big language group of mutually intelligible dialects and pigeon languages. And looking at that through the lens of the Bible, that's. sort of looks like the one language that people spoke before the Tower of Babel.

So let's go back to the beginning then. The refrain first appear in Genesis 14. That's the first time that we see that used, correct? That's right. Talk about the origins for a second because I think it's important not only for this context, but also for the context of our discussion about giants, is that this is where it really begins. Yeah, the first reference to the Refi'em is in Genesis 14. And it's describing a, the story here is about a war between an eastern coalition of kings.

And interestingly enough, well, before I get into that, it's a story about a war between these kings from the east and a coalition of kings from around the Transjordan region, around the Dead Sea. And the Refayim are mentioned in this context. So the possibility is that some of those kings of this trans-Jordan-11 coalition might have been Refayem. That's not to say that some of these eastern kings weren't either, because one of those kings within his name is contained this route that we're talking about here, Arap, Amrafil. and it also shows up in other names like Hamarabi, the great Babylonian lawgiver of the early Amarite Babylonian period. So, yeah, this is the first appearance of that word. And, of course, it occurs in other places in the Old Testament, which I've noted in the paper,

the report that I did. Refaheim is usually translated as dead ones or shades or race. or ghosts. It's, so you've got this direct linkage to the, the underworld in the Jewish context, which would have been shale. So this concept translates culturally and linguistically quite well between, you know, obviously we're talking about the same idea interpreted by different groups in the ancient Near East.

But it's interesting that you, I mean, you can sort of follow the linguistic cultural breadcrumbs and you can see the connective tissue between all of this. stuff. But, you know, there are other examples of, you know, if these Refayem kings, if that's what they are in this Levantine coalition, then that, you know, that sort of is in line with these autocratic, you know, usurping god kings of the ancient world. And we have, we actually have a really famous Refayem king, or a couple of them, rather, that show up later during the period of the conquest. But a lot of people will be familiar with King Og of Bashan.

Yeah. It was a reffayne that ruled amongst the Amarites. But also his brother, Sihon, who was a king amongst the Phoenician peoples. You know, this kind of reminds me, maybe I'm just giving you some layman's terms, because that's how I, that's how us, that's non-doctors think. But, you know, all the memes and stuff, all these channels. It seems like on our show, we're pointing to these things. Like a lot of people say, how do these people build the same temples all over the world?

How do these people have gold and metals with them? Why do they build the same type of pyramids? Why do they build the same stone structures? And you're kind of like bringing a linguistic clue into this saying, this is like a temple, this is like a pyramid. They all have the same name. Is that kind of what you're saying? Like they all have the...

Yes, it's kind of. of the, you know, it's kind of the blueprint, the linguistic blueprints that's handed, you know, that's shared. And I actually have a theory that I wrote about in interview with a giant about the, the pyramid construct. Let's hear you. I think you're alluding to, you know, the Ziggurots in Mesopotamia, the Egyptian pyramids. Well, the ancient alien people all have to say, look, how do they all build the same things? And you're like, right. And they have their, they have their explanation for it all. They have their explanation, but I think that, you know, if you look at the literature in comparative religions, even scholars who are not people of faith, you know, they're completely agnostic or atheist,

will tell you that the imagery of pyramids is linked with, or pyramidal structures, is always linked with mountains. And mountains in world religions typically represent the connection of, the celestial realm to the profane realm, the realm of the gods to the realm of men, because they're these huge behemoth things that shoot up from the earth. So they're connected to the heavens, but they're also connected to the earth. You know, you only have to think about, you know, like Mount Fuji in Japan or Mount Olympus in Greece or any of a number of sacred mountains.

Mount Hermon or Hermon. Well, that's what I'm getting to is that, you know, Mount Huron, I believe that Mount Hermon is the sort of and the Mount Herman event all that that entails. I think that that's a preservation of that legacy. You know, it is a facsimile of a mountain that is the building of a pyramidal structure, but it's a specific mountain. It's Mount Herman. Which is where it all began, right?

Yeah, yeah, exactly. And so, you know, when you look at the stories around the world from the myths of different cultures, you know, of their culture being given to them by these beings that come, you know, from the heavens, you know, and they rule over them, you know, as their first kings. And they, you know, even people, they try to emulate, you know, what these kings look like, you know, that's why we get headbinding in some cases. Like in South America. And even in the prehistoric near East, you found that as well. In the same manner that I'm looking at this in a linguistic context with words like, like, like, ray and making the or rajah or whatever it's the same manipulation it's the same cultural engineering that's that's shared and passed along that's why we see these you know they appear to us as these images appear to us as archetypes and universals and perennials but there's a reason for that it's because we're talking about the same but this not only the same body of shared knowledge that the watchers and the Nephilim and the refame were using, but the same stratagem and the same agenda.

Do you think humans were always ruled over by these half-breeds, where they always intermingling and then slowly over time, it becomes more human ruling over human? Because some people get real conspiratorial that the bloodlines of the England monarchy is still... Oh, yeah, the Merivengian stuff. Yeah, I don't really chase those rabbits. it's too much. But I mean, I'm not, you know, I don't discount anything completely. But in the case of, no, I don't think that we always were. I think in our most, probably in the most primitive phases of humanity.

And I think the Bible certainly implies this, you know, that there was a time that humans existed where the watchers weren't meddling. There was a time between creation and the fall and when the watchers weren't meddling in And so sometime between the Garden of Eden event, if you will, and even before that, and the time of the watchers, you've got periods when they're not meddling directly in human affairs. Okay. So you think humans are ruling over humans at that point still? Well, yeah. I mean, we were hunter-gatherers essentially before that.

Whereas you might have had, yeah, you've got any number of social structures to choose from, you know, from, from, from, from, from, from, a more centralized rulership by a central figure like a chief or chieftain or a group of elders, which is more oligarchic, or you know, you even do have some examples of more egalitarian societies. So it sort of runs the gamut of political structures. But yeah, I mean, on a political level, that would have largely been human, you know, that changes. Even conventional scholars will admit, you know, after the Neolithic Revolution and the advent of agriculture and stuff like that when you start to see cities crop up, that's a 90 degree angle political and cultural change, because almost overnight, you go from far less centralized political structure in most human

societies to an intensely centralized and autocratic political structure in human society in the earliest of our city states, as in, well, they would have been pre-flood, like Natufi and Jericho and tell Caramel and perhaps even Gobeckley-Tepi and some places like that. But certainly when you get the reboot after the flood, certainly in the civilizations in Mesopotamia, even the early stuff like the Ubiad and the Halaf phase, the Egyptians, all these city-states have these autocratic god kings. And even if they're human, they believe that they're gods incarnate.

But before that institutional change, humans basically govern their own political affairs. When you're saying all this and I'm thinking about it, the whole idea of specifically the last couple years, people go, why do we need a president? Why do we need a ruler? Why do we need? I mean, it's really fundamental a question that goes back to, you know, why do we need a king? Why do we want a king? It's sort of built into us, right? Like we need somebody to point to to say, give us the way.

I guess what I'm trying to say is there is still a trace of we still want that. Right. Well, no, I think that we're sort of naturally wired, you know, or were made to be that way. And, you know, again, if people subscribe to the biblical worldview, that makes sense because God created us. You know, and God, you know, Yahweh is the sovereign of the universe. but here comes Satan and as lieutenants and they completely corrupt that idea. Yeah. Judd, I want to ask about something you said a minute ago.

When you talked about the actual word of Refayim and how it translates into wraiths or dead ones, I think about in Egypt when they're coordinating a pharaoh and they do what they call the ceremony of raising Osiris. And I want to know, I know that a lot of the Refayem we talk about like Aug, and specifically his brother, they were giant. as is recorded in history. But do we see further down the line that this Refayne, this idea of the dead ones that possibly these kings are allowing their bodies to be vessels for this, for the spirit,

the dead ones for the, for the Nephilim? I mean, because I'm reading this thinking, I've never thought about this before. I know there's a lot of weird stuff where certain civilizations, the Egyptians, specifically because I know more about the Egyptians, believe that their king was a god king and that they had these ceremonies that their priests would do in these incantations that would raise this spirit and it would inhabit. So is some of what we see with the Refayim actually a very real possible, possibly a very real like possession of rulers by these spirits of the giants, the Nephlem?

That would be the Risen, the Refayim, the risen ones. Is that a? You know, that's certainly important. I mean, particularly if we're talking about the spirits of the Nephilim, you know, who became the demons, you know, according to the Annacian literature. And that, of course, again, that, you know, that tracks with the New Testament stuff, you know, the usage of, you know, like unclean spirits that shows up not only in the New Testament, but it shows up in the Anacian stuff. That's certainly a possibility or, you know, you know, with this new rebooting, I think was the word that I use of watcher technology or watcher knowledge. you know, they're able to create this new line of giants, the refame. And, you know, who knows, they may have, they may have been meat puppets for these demonic, you know, spirits that existed, you know, that were on the earth that are still on the earth.

I just, I mean, thought it was interesting just like with the linkage to shield and the underworld. And, but again, I mean, linguistically, I think it's what you're saying is fascinating. The idea that this all, all roads point back to the original words in this for a ruler. or a God King as being as being Refaheim. Do you kind of see this like a discovery? Like have you never heard this before, like or thought about that before the wording? Not with the Indo-European connection.

You know, I was pretty well versed in the ancient Near Eastern stuff. And I was following what, you know, my peers were doing. But it didn't occur, you know, it didn't occur to me until, you know, God woke me up at 3 o'clock in the morning. Yeah. that it might reach far beyond the ancient Near East. So, like, I'm a visual person, and I like visual metaphors. So let's say, like, there's like a red-headed trait that starts with this word, Rafa.

And there's a little bit of red hair that goes all over the world. Oh, boy. And every single word that relates to kings. Is that kind of what you're saying? Like, there's, you can see that red hair if you peel back the onion layers and go, oh, there it is. even though it looks dark, they're still a little red in the beard, right? Right. Is that kind of...

Yeah, yeah. I mean, if you're, yeah, that's... If you use that as a metaphor, then yeah, I mean, we're talking about the same sort of process. But, you know, that's what I'm saying, because language, because words carry so much cultural DNA in them. They don't just spring up out of nowhere. They don't, they have a reason. Yeah, well, yeah, exactly, exactly, you know, and it's purposeful and it tracks over, geography and amongst different peoples. And for this much continuity to exist, you can't call that a statistical anomaly. Is this kind of like discovering, like in your world, like an unknown primate or animal? Is it on that scale or is it just kind of? Well, I, I, maybe. I like to say,

that's why I'm calling us a hypothesis. That's why I title my paper, a preliminary report, because I'm just beginning to, as you say, peel back the onion. You know, this is, I'm at the very start of this. And, you know, there inevitably will be other words. But if it's just a few word similarities, if you just have five or ten, that's one thing. But if you have almost 80 at just your first glance. And can you, can you give us some examples of those words? Yeah, I'd be happy to. Like we can. I'd be happy to. You know, you don't even have, just spreading out, let's say, into the eastern Mediterranean, you've got a good example or a couple of good examples. I've already mentioned Rex, you know, the Latin word for king.

But interestingly enough, in Linear A Greek, which was the sort of proto-Greek that the Minoan civilization spoke on the island of Crete, there's a good example. Most people will be familiar with the story of King Minos. the labyrinth and the minotaur. I've been there. I went there for, yeah, on my honeymoon. We went to, we went to Crete, I went to the Minoan.

Fantastic. It was pretty, you turned the palace in Canossa. And I actually went over the velvet ropes like I wasn't supposed to, and I went in the little holes, like the little catacomb thing, so they kicked me out.

My wife, my brand new wife was not super excited about that, but I had to try. You did, the local authorities didn't take you in a custom? No, they just like, who's this giant? American, just forgetting where the...

That's an interesting site, and, you know, it sort of looks like the labyrinth in its layout. Yeah, it's crazy. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense structurally, but... I'm so pissed all these places. I've been to a lot of, like, you know, we went all over the UK with my band and stuff, and I'm like, dang it, I was in all these cool spots, and I didn't have any of this knowledge. Wasted all this world travel, and... You've got to do it again, man.

That's all it is. I got to do it again. Well, you've got time now to think about it. Until we can travel again. Now that we're all in lockdown, you can think about what you want to do if we were doing. You can dust off that fanny pack, Nate, once they allow all these doors to open,

and you can get back out there. Big guy, put on that Hawaiian shirt, that fanny pack out. Do you actually have a fanny pack? Yeah. It's coming back. They're radically speaking. It's funny.

My cousin visited me last week from California, and he had one. He was rocking it with the short shorts. No problem. He was going everywhere. My dad. My dad never quit. My dad has never quit. I hope he's listening because my dad likes to listen to our show too. But I'm like, Dad, you never gave up on the Fanny Pack. We had all this downtime. Like, we would be in cities and we would have all day long just waiting there to play. And I could have been walking around seeing this stuff. It just, it just bums me out.

But anyway, go ahead. Sorry, I cut you off. Oh, yeah. The Minowan example, the linear A one. I think this is on the Fistos disc, if I'm not mistaken. but King Minos is actually mentioned and the rendering of that in linear A is Ruzha Mina. So there again Ruzha is the king part. The Hittites used a lot of borrow words from ancient Mesopotamia

including Rob and Rapa but going beyond that into Gothic languages for example these would have been the languages spoken by the Ostrogoths, the Visigas, the Sarmations, the Allens, the word for king is rakes. Wow. The British Isles, home to Celtic languages.

In Ireland, you have Gaelic, Irish Gaelic, the word is Rehe. Scottish Gaelic, it's virtually identical, Rehe. In Manx, which is another Celtic tongue. It is also Rehe. Welsh, it is raining. So that morpheme is present in these Western languages. And of course, it's all over. the place in romance languages.

You know, I mentioned Spanish, Ray. So this all comes to you in the middle of the night. Like Luke wakes up at 3 a.m. and thinks of memes, but you were Dr. Judd and Dr. Meem, right? Yeah, he's Dr. Meem. I don't deal in that world. That's not my specialization. He wakes up and he's like, he's like, man, I got this, this meme's going to go viral, but you're waking up thinking about languages.

Yeah, just put the cat in the salad together. And then, you know, but Dr. Judd doesn't all the love, he's like, just think of all these words that they all. I just, I, I, I just trying to figure out, like, like, the connections there, like, what you're actually thinking at 3 a.m. Like, is it, what's going on in the brain? You know, I don't speak all of these languages, so I had to, you know, I had to use resources to go and find, find these words, but, you know, the romance languages were kind of a starting point. The next day when I started doing my work, you know, I knew Ray from Spanish. That's one of the languages that I've studied, French, Roy, you know, so it just, I just wanted to see how many

of these that I get. But you think it was like a divine thing? I think that it was both. I think, I think that it was, yeah, it was a divine revelation, but it's, it was also God putting my, you know, my training to use. That's right. You know, although I'm not primarily a linguist, I do have some linguistic training for my, my anthropology still. Well, this is, great because there's, you know, there's guys like Joe Taylor who dig up the bones and mold the bones and have the bones. And then there's guys like Jeff Maldrum who's got the footprints of the Sasquatch. And then there's the, you know, the Michael Tellinger's and the, where they have the fossils. And then there's the Indiana Jones types like Tim who go around and try to get stories

of actual living giants today. And then there's the scholars who were saying, look, the words are all the same. They all go back to these king rulers. So do you think that all the original kings were ancient giants and then it just slowly get bred down the line and to where it's just mostly human blood?

Yeah. And then keep going though. Do you think it's all after that? Answer this. Is there still, do you think there's still like Refayem and Nephilim DNA that exists in our genetic pool? I think inevitably there has to be, it's hard because we don't know exactly just on a biological level what we would be looking for,

it's hard to track that. But I think inevitably there has to be because clearly there was intermarriage between the tribes of giants and the ancient areas and humans. And I know that one of the things in the conquest days of the Bible was to wipe these tribes out, right? It's the whole back to the thing we talked about, you know, an episode ago about people stumbling blocks in the Old Testament. man, and, you know, how could God sanctioned genocide, right? And then you realize that these are all, you know, essentially armies of orcs like you would, you would experience in the, you know, in Lord of the Rings. Right.

These are not, not human. So, yeah, I just got to wonder, like, you know, did some of that survive, you know, and how does that manifest if it does? But answer Nate's question, because that made me think of my question. And here we are in the stream of consciousness again. As the Krispy Chicken Sandwich from 7-Eleven, people always say, call me loud. And I'm like, yeah, I know. I'm crispy. Did you expect me to whisper? If you want quiet, go eat some soup and reflect. Like, I know I'm a handful. I'm bold. I'm juicy.

Throw some pickles and barbecue sauce on me and baby I'm a whole meal. And with seven rewards, I'm just $4. Quiet. No. Krispy, saucy, and $4? Very. Only at 7-Eleven. Valley through 62326 participating stores only while supplies last the app for full terms. So, Nate, am I continuing with examples of words? Was that the last question they had? I think my question was, are all ancient kings giants, ancient giants? Is that the origin? And then they slowly breed out?

Yeah, the first of them are, and whether the interbreeding with humans is responsible for that or just purely human kings that were part of this cult, this religion that was started by the watchers and the giants. You know, both of those, I think, are possibilities. but the point that I think can be logically made here is that the first of those kings of the most antique and prehistoric civilizations were the refaim. That's what I'm saying. Do you think they actually had some supernatural powers and then they slowly lose those? I think so.

I mean, they would have to be because part of their nature was demonic. That may also explain the paucity of. of archaeological evidence. You know, if they have angelic pedigree and human pedigree, they may decompose in a manner that isn't congruent with the physics of our reality. That's interesting. That's an interesting hypothesis then for, you know, for what everybody talks about, where are the bones, right?

And thought about that. I like that, Jed. Do they live longer than humans, you think? Like they're able to rule for a long time? Potentially, I think they could. Yeah, potentially, I think they could. We know that from recent discoveries that even humans, you know, our telomeres are basically designed to last about a thousand years. Those are the parts of our chromosomes that regulate our aging. And again, that lines up with what we see about the long ages in the Bible, you know, that people lived.

Adam was like 900 or something, right? 939 or? Right, right. You got people live. living out, you know, into the 950s and 960s in some cases. Right. And all we got today is Mick Jagger. It's still somehow is alive. Yeah, Mick Jagger and gosh Keith Richards, you know what? Oh, yeah, they're still alive, still having kids.

You could be yelling at your old lady for 780 years. You know what I mean? They made it work, I guess. They made it work, I guess. So after, I mean, we're talking, I mean, this all gets kind of. confusing when you think antediluvian post-flood. Are we talking like these words are all post-flood or these words go all the way back pre-flood? No, I think these are post-flood. Not that there couldn't be some holdover from the pre-flood world because the connective tissue there that you have is, you know,

ostensibly Noah and his family. So that's not to say that there wouldn't be some linguistic carryover. But just just looking at what we have to work with. you know, I'm only taking this to, you know, directly after the flood. So we're talking about post-flood within the last eight or nine thousand years, in my opinion. That's something we have to really get into our show is just trying to figure out how and the heck these things came back. It is, you know, it is a debate. Sometimes it's a very heated debate, but I don't think that it needs to be. I mean, we don't have to agree on every little detail.

I tend to lean on the second incursion idea, but again, I'm not completely discounting the idea that, you know, when Noah's son's wives carried Nephilim DNA with them. But then wouldn't she have been a giant? Like, so he has this giant wife and Noah's like, well, maybe she can't. Well, not necessarily. I mean, you know, it all has to do with the, you know, the activation of certain part of, certain parts of your genetics or, you know, like even take, you know, genetic expression, you know, which is the best physiological potential that a member of a species has.

If you, if we're provided with the right nutrients and oxygenation and that sort of thing, then the potential is there to achieve that full genetic expression. That's why we get megafauna in prehistory and dinosaurs and things like that because there was more oxygen in the atmosphere in prehistory. and why it makes giants a possibility as well. Some of the things we've been coming up, some of these giants post-flood were, could have been 18, 20 foot tall.

So clearly, I'm kind of with you. I don't know if it comes through on the arc. It just seems like, it seems like something totally different. I can completely. If we look at Enoch, if we look at Enoch, though, Nate, or in Jedd M, you can answer this.

at what point are the watchers in prison then is it if they're in prison then how do we have a second incursion and i don't know how that timeline lines up maybe that's worth well you know that's not to say that the 200 watchers that that fell you know that came to mount herman the sense that is that this is not that's not the entire totality regiment of of angels that sided with the devil's coup you know perhaps some were persuaded later to leave and clearly Clearly, even the angels that were imprisoned, you know, somehow they're able to exert some kind of influence on the religion, on the culture of humanity. But it just seems like that, you know, you've got a later group of this celestial coup amongst the angels that allows for this second, you know, a reboot of the Genesis 6 experiment, basically. It's like trying to kill fire ants.

Yeah. It's that red blood. I'm from Texas. I know about firing house. Well, they ball up and if they get flooded out, they literally form a ball and float on the surface of the water. Yep. Maybe that's what they did, Luke. And it might have. There's just a big ball of giants floating around. Big ball of giants.

I'm more towards like, yeah, I mean, if Noah's wife was like 12 feet tall, I don't think No would have been like, yeah, get on the boat. You seem normal, right? Well, I mean, where does Bigfoot come from? How does it fit into that? You know, Bigfoot or Sasquatch. or Yeti or any of the variations of that, you know, I think we talked about this a little bit last time. You're talking about a primate.

I mean, even animals, quadrupeds that don't want to be found, don't want to be seen, can evade being seen if they go into remote regions. And that's their, you know, that's their territory. Well,

think about a, you know, a bipedal animal that's smarter than that, you know, they're going to, they're certainly going to be able to evade capture if they want to, particularly if they're in a remote region, where hardly anybody, you know, is going to.

What, Kandahar? Kandahar, yeah. Has anyone thrown out any weird theories to you, like UFOs are dropping giants off and flying away? I mean, does it get that weird? I'm not, I mean, not directly to me, but I'm familiar with that. I mean, people say that about Bigfoot, that they drop them off. Yeah.

Well, I don't know. They haven't dropped any off over here lately. Well, that's because they know your reputation, Dr. Meem. Yeah, exactly. That's right. That's right. Better not be in Oklahoma either because if you didn't notice guys in the last week, they were trying to push a bill through to make it legal to hunt Bigfoot in Oklahoma. Yeah.

There's a bigfoot season. So probably no more drop-offs there. Wow. Well, maybe there is a lot of drop-offs. They just got to pick them off like deer. They've got to pick them back up, maybe. And you said something earlier in the podcast I kind of want to get back to is if temples or pyramids being like mountains. I mean, it makes me think, are these like Stargates?

when you get to a certain elevation, are you opening up? What's the obsession with elevation there? Tower of Babel, other... High places? Does that have to do with high places? High places? Yeah, all of this ties together. Even the, you know, in a lot of these, not so much in Egyptian pyramids, but, you know,

at a lot of these pyramids, the apex is a temple. That's certainly true of the Mesopotamian. ziggurots and it's true of the pyramids that the Maya and the Aztec constructed. It's interesting that you bring up, you know, the high places, the places where these pagan gods were honored. You have that being sort of preserved in the picture of the pyramid. And again, this goes back to, you know, think of the divine counsels of gods, like the Olympian gods and the Canaanite gods.

They all lived on top of these maps. mountains. In the case of the Canaanite or Phoenician, you know, it would have been Mount Saffon, but but these are all these are all interpretations of the Mount Hermann event because you have the original council of gods on top of Mount Hermanns and they were the watchers. And by by proxy, they're progeny of the giants. Yeah, there's all this sort of mountain imagery that's preserved in, you know, the building of pyramids and as to your other question about about stargates and the travel between dimensions, certainly. I mean, I don't think that there's any reason why, you know, that couldn't be the case.

I mean, they don't, would necessarily need to be on the temple or pyramid. Maybe they were in, inside the pyramid. You know, the tower of Babel that we read about in Genesis, we, you know, we typically think of, I mean, the first thing that comes to mind is a tower of some kind or a zigerot or monument or something. Although all of the word in Hebrew means confusion, it, In Mesopotamian languages, it means gate of the gods. So, you know, what you're looking at clearly is not entirely a feat of architecture or engineering. It's this supernatural technology.

Yeah, yeah, it's a tool. It's like, you know, like when I bought my house, there was this old bucket of tools from like the mid-1800s, and I didn't know what any of them did. And I could keep thinking about some of these pyramids, these temples, like, it does seem like that. It's like they did something. They did. Certainly. They were clearly designed for a specific reason to do something. And, you know, a lot of people say, oh, they're just generators and you see all those ancient alien theories. But, but I see these photos of like places like Machu Picchu where it's like, why would you build a city on top of a mountain? It doesn't make any sense. Like it just doesn't. Like, you know, as, you know, as humans progress, we build our cities in the most convenient location. and oftentimes in third world countries, it's the poor people who have to go up into the mountains

because it's just inconvenient for everything, growing food. I mean, it's just elevation seems to be this thing that keeps coming back. I just don't, I'm just curious about that. Yeah, certainly. And, you know, in some cases it might not even be elevation. It may have something to do with, with... Location? Well, what's popularly known as laylines, you know, these locations.

that somehow the watchers, you know, knew about because they had their tech, you know, their superior tech, if you want to think about it that way. And they built, you know, or influenced cultures in these regions. You know, I think about Chaco Canyon in New Mexico, which was an ancient Puebloan site. And it was largely a religious center. But it is in the dropping off point of New Mexico. I mean, it is in the middle of nowhere. Even in its day when there were more juniper forest, it was still a relatively arid region, and you only got the arroyos and seasonal creeks would only fill up after a rain.

So it was, you know, day-to-day life was not an easy thing in a place like that, particularly in ancient America. So there are, you know, you mentioned like Montu Picchu and some of these other places that just seemed to be completely out of the way, but they have some sort of not, on the surface, it's religious significance, but it may, you know, it may go beyond that, you know, in a way that these celestial beings were able to position themselves in such a way that this had utility for doing what they did, for using their, you know, their knowledge and, you know, doing things like opening portals. And, you know, today, we're in the quantum.

age right now, well, we basically can do that. We don't need a mountain. You know, when you think about the usage of our super colliders, and not even that, the quantum computers that are being built now that literally dump their questions into another dimension, literally dump their questions into another dimension to derive the answer. It just sounds like an Ouija board, you know, like... Well, yeah, again, the line between technology and science, and on the one hand,

and magic on the other becomes real blurred, doesn't it? I mean, that's what you do with the Noggi board. You just ask it a question and then this other dimension tells you the answer. Right. So that's what I'm saying. I mean, you know, where do you draw the line between magic and science now? This is a good segue, Judge, because I had an exact question about this and really about when you touched on earth with veneration.

Can you talk a little about like the, because the Refaheem, and when we talk about for aim it talks about the dead ones and there was belief that that through what spells or incantations and stuff they could somehow harness these long dead god kings talk about that when it just for a second like thoughts on on on on that why that happened and i mean because that plays a part into the linguistic stuff that you that you write about here in your paper yeah well it's all it's all about cementing these ideas and culture a chapter to this an interview with a giant you know i i I give examples of how this religion of the watchers and the giants was perpetrated, continued in all of its variations, especially throughout the ancient polytheistic world.

That's why I began applying anthropological models to the study of giants. What if we looked at these groups like ethnographers study people, like if they go into the Amazon, and they study a group of Indians or something? What, you know, we consider all of the, you know, because there's a culture at work here. They had a culture in and amongst themselves, which involved language and the manipulation of language and the transmission of language. But here's an example for when Agabashan is killed during the conquest at the Battle of Edry, there were obviously either enough of the other Refayim or followers of his cult to honor whatever cultural traditions they have. about their funerary requirements because they take his body from there to the Transjordan region. And actually, there was an expedition in 1911 to this region that recorded all of the megalithic structures,

all the Dolans and such in the Transjordan. And what they found was that there were a number of these basaltic sarcophagi that exactly matched the dimensions of, you know, Augs' bed. You know, having said that, you know, in that region, actually, that entire region near the Avarim, the mountains of the Avarim, where Mount Nebo is, that entire region has long been associated with the Refaim. So you can see that there's a cultural significance that they ascribe to it, and there was an element of their culture that required them to honor this king,

of theirs and do the proper funerary rights. Again, those importance is the importance of those sorts of things, even amongst humans to honor these long dead ancestor kings or God kings is very well fleshed out in the

you know, the Eucharitic material, the the Roshamra text that the Phoenicians. So I mean and then this is just what, I mean, almost what Nate was talking about. It's talking about the wiji board. It's like everything changes and nothing changes right. There's still, those people people were still trying to access that other dimension, whether they believed it was She-Ole or

whatever, just as we're dumping, you know, algorithms into other dimensions, you know, with our quantum computers or asking questions of other realms. Like, it's like Solomon said, like, nothing's a new one of the sun. Right. It's fascinating to me that, like, everything changes and nothing changes. Well, and, you know, we seem to be coming around, you know, the arc seems to diving a little bit now to where we're, you know, the days of NOAA are starting to look more and more, you know, like they're around us, you know, and it's not just with things like quantum computing, but, you know, it's no secret that even our weapons contractors and labs and things like that have made all kinds of human animal chimeras, you know,

which is part of the pre-flood manipulations that the watchers, and specifically the Nephilim undertook the giants. We're getting Nate going right now, dog man, goat man. Yeah. Well, I mean, again, that takes us back to our vampire werewolf episode. Yeah. It really does. I just, when I hear all this stuff, it just stumps my mind that there are whole sex of Christianity

that don't even believe in the devil. And I just. I know. I don't, I got an argument with a friend this weekend about that. A good friend. Just like text, just one of those text battles for like an hour, for like hours and I was just like, I don't, I don't know. I mean, you hear you are like tracing these words all the way back to these hybrids.

And I just feel like you're ignoring huge parts of history. And I, it almost feels like there is this veil. They can't, it's not ignorance. It's not. it's an unwillingness to see the obvious clues. I don't know what else to say. I don't know what it just, I think that's where. Deception.

It's deception. It is. And you know, once people are trained, manipulated, indoctrinated, whatever appellation you want to use there, that sort of cognitive dissonance is easy and it's almost unconscious, you know. I mean, we see it today, you know, we have antique. for lambasting people as fascist and yet every tactic and their very ideology is fascist. It's probably one of the best examples of cognitive dissonance that we have now.

All of the virtue signaling that goes on today is so firmly rooted in cognitive dissonance. So that sort of willful ignorance, you know, it's, yeah, it's prevalent in the church too. That's hard. I mean, it's every, do you believe, like, the polarization of society is a clue to the opposing forces at work? I think so. I think it's, you know, it's kind of a force multiplier. You know, it's just, it just increases on an, on an exponential level. And, you know, I mean, we've gone through some pretty horrific periods in world history where people literally did think that it was the end of the world, you know, in the four. century in europe you had the bubonic plague you had you know two massive famines lots of localized war going on in europe and so people literally thought that it was you know the end of the war all the art of the period you know you see skulls and the four horsemen of the apocalypse and you know we've gone through periods like war war one you know

nobody had seen anything like that and because of media like radio and and the in infant film, the infant film industry. You know, people got to see it with their own eyes and almost, you know, as close as you could in the early 20th century, see it in real time. But the thing that I think makes our time different is that you have some significant events that are antecedent that have prophetic implications, I think. 1947 being an important year for the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, but you also have the reestablishment of the nation of.

Israel. And on the reverse side of that coin, you have weird things like the Roswell incident and the Babylon workings that were perpetrated by Jack Parsons, which actually were designed to bring in the queen of heaven or whore Babylon spirit into this world. That's why I think that we're sort of moving along at a quicker pace prophetically. And I'm not a date setter. I'm not a prophet. But it just seems like with everything that's going on and the events that have happened with such prophetic implication, that these sorts of things will begin to ramp up exponentially.

Do you see people doubling down on the lies? Like, what happens when, like, you know, I have a lot of friends who are trying to save the church by using this very highly rational? The conservative movement is killing the church, and that's the problem kind of thing. and I'm just like, I honestly think the biggest threat to the church that's coming is alien disclosure. Yeah. Because I think it's coming and no one's theological view know what to do with aliens, you know? But I think it seems to be coming.

You know, Chuck Missler, you know, tried to open. I think he was one of the first anyway. Chuck Missler tried to open our eyes to all that. At least he was afraid. You know, I think you had some other people like IDE Thomas, you know, who were sort of trying to pull back that bill. But Missler really, really opened the possibility, you know, of that. And the likelihood of lining that up with the demonic realm, for one thing.

Yeah. And, you know, any number of authors have dealt with that at length. I think you guys had L.A. Marzuli on. Yeah. You know, L.A. has done some more, you know, in that area. It makes a good case, you know, for it. Well, him and Tim, they took that, you know, they blew the doors wide open on the podcast with those things because we haven't really talked about that before.

Yeah. So I always cringe a little bit when we start talking about A. A.L.A. A little bit. They are not. They are not. They are not. No, they're not.

Well, it's, you know, it's the way that we think about them, you know. It's the way that we're sort of conditioned by pop culture to think about them as, look at the boons that they could provide for us, you know, or I tend to agree with Stephen Hawking. There's really nothing that we should want from these things because, you know, and he was certainly not a person of faith, but he recognized that if they can get here with whatever medium they're getting here, then why in the world would they want to collude with us? You know, the chances are better that there are nefarious behind why they would want to make contact with us. Yeah.

I mean, we're so self-destructive as it is, and we don't really. Yeah. Like right now, people are ready to fight you if you don't wear a mask. Yeah. If you draw that line, just a mask on your face, they will disown their parents right now. That's how hot our culture is. It's at a breaking point, it feels. You know, Jesus was clear about that.

You know, he didn't, he said that there were going to be people within your own family, you know, because of me, you don't agree with you. Yeah, I've had a, yeah, I've been dealing with a lot of that. I talk to a lot of people who, you know, who do. In some cases, it separates marriages. I'm just having these conversations trying, the giants is to me, like the gateway drug, to opening up the Bible to see it from this part of the story helps you make, sense of the Bible. And I think that's why we keep coming back to the Giants, because it's, you know, it's not, not for everybody, but it's an important part of maybe I'm reading the Bible wrong, you know? Well, I agree. I agree with, you know, Steve Quill made

a statement one time that the Giants were, were like the Rosetta Stone of the Bible. You know, they, when you factor in all of the stuff about the Watchers and the Giants, passages that were obscure before become much less so when you when you factor those in. So yeah, it is kind of like, you know, it is kind of like a gateway drug, but it's a gateway drug of the most helpful in eye-opening kind, I think. Well, it's your unique blend because you've, you know, you know academia, you've been in that circuit, you've been trained in these systems. You can see all the downsides of that system.

and I think a lot of people, it's like their worldview shapes the way they read the Bible, not the other way around. You know, the Bible doesn't shape their worldview. So you have these two opposing forces, and I think that's who are screaming at each other, like, from both sides of the aisle. Just the fact that there's just this huge portion of people to deny the existence of the giants. At this point, it's just, it's curious to me. I wonder what it is. It feels more than just, I don't want to see it. It feels like a veil, like a blinding.

Yeah, yeah, I agree. And again, that's that, you know, it's the spellcraft of cognitive dissonance. You know, it's the deception, the great deception or the great delusion, you know, that does even prophesied, you know, in the New Testament. My goal, my mission in general is just, is just to try and wake enough people up, you know, as many people as I possibly can, because it has not gotten Lord of the Rings meets Terminator weird yet, and it will. You know, and a lot of my peers have talked about this too, but, you know, just the imagery of chimeric creatures or, you know, giants marching down Main Street. That's not outside the realm of possibility. Especially in academia, a lot of people sort of preach you can think your way into a relationship with God. Like, you can think about it, you can understand the concepts, and you can think your way into it. But the more we get into this show, Luke, it kind of feels like it's a supernatural conversion. You have to see a spirit enter into you to see the spirit world kind of thing. I don't know.

It feels like there's this, I can think my way into understanding and then the spirit of God can lead me to understanding. You know what I mean? There's these two ideas. Do you subscribe to any of that? Yeah, I mean, it's a process of both. but I think I think one of the culprits these days is that we don't as a as a whole the body the church doesn't teach the Bible well or at all or at all in some cases you know these days you know Jesus is a life coach and and church is is morally therapeutic deism that's not at all what's presented in the Bible you know, it's not all feel-good fluffy stuff, you know, it's the reality of everything.

You know, that's why you've seen this tank in biblical literacy, and that's why I, you know, this week I'm running a cell on my classes, you know, through the Institute of Biblical Anthropology, because it's so important for people to understand the context of the Bible. And when you read the Bible in context and let the languages say what they're saying, then you get this stuff that we're talking about here. You get the reality of the supernatural. You know, not the stuff that you think you can cherry pick from the Bible

begins to pop to life. You know, seminaries for the most part have been ruined by post-modernism. Not that they don't teach things in context, but it's always colored by, you know, political correctness these days. and well you know take the like the sons of God the binahah al-him you know the Sethite theory that these were human beings the descendants of Seth was a prevalent theory and still is a prevalent theory but it's absolutely incorrect because that's not even that is not the language that's not what the language says

and any time that phraseology is used in the Old Testament it is always talking about celestial beings about angels never about human beings So by comparison and analogy, why would you even, why would you even bite hold of that? You know, but so many people do because it's it's the more naturalistic explanation. Yeah, I mean, I see just obvious things like, why would big tech need to censor people this blatant? And I'm like, asking friends, like, what do you think they're doing? Oh, they're just trying to protect you. And I'm just, you know, you see that.

You see these. it's like it's a massive coordinated censorship right like it's pointing you to there's a war going on and they just like no I don't think so I mean I'm getting sort of heated with some friends because I'm like guys this is communism

this is communism it's happening right underneath your nose and they can't define it as that and it's at least the beginnings of communism it's the it's the it's the smoke before the fire and you know the fire's coming right yeah and I think some of these things in the

Bible are screaming like the smoke is coming out of the pages and you're like look at it well I mean it's you know like this project that I'm working on now that I you know I wanted to get to your listeners these are words these are spoken today in modern languages so this stuff is just hiding in plain sight yeah but it's like it's you know it's encoded you know it's sort of a cipher that you have to unravel and then put the you know you put the meta picture together afterwards with all your data points. But like so much of this, this material about the giants and the watchers, it's hiding in plain sight. We certainly want the smoking gun of, you know, the articulated skeleton and all that stuff. And I think we have bits and pieces, you know, archaeologically

speaking. But, you know, when people ask me about evidence, well, there's all kinds of evidence. We have, we've got textual evidence. We've got, you know, the sampling of physical evidence that we have and we have a huge amount of evidence that's been garnered from oral tradition and mythology and the reason that so much of that is peripheral lies has largely to do with the way that we've bastardized words like myth in our own language to where it doesn't even mean what it meant in the original context you know here we go back to original context you know context culture looking at it within the proper context so key to understanding so many things but especially this particular material.

So of all the things you've done, I guess, you know, over the years, all the things you've studied, what are some things that you long to do? What's something like, like if you were to encapsulate all this and be like, before, before I give up this, this giant's day, this is one thing, a couple of things I want to do. What are some of your future plans? And what do you really want to try to accomplish? Well, of course, my mission now is with the, the Institute of Biblical Anthropology

and, you know, I would like to, along with colleagues and peers, get back to doing some field work. There's still actually a lot of work to do at Cessori of Philippi, at Bonius. But, you know, I...

We want to come. Do what? We want to come for that one. Well, yeah, I mean, you'd be... I put you guys to work. Dude, I can handle a mean trial, you know, and I can brush, I can brush pretty good. You're... You're hard.

but yeah you know it's just a matter of uh that would be maybe more one of the more conventional projects um but i'd like to do more you know field work like that and i've got you know just a buku ideas for books you know that i've just been sitting on and just now getting to you know because i have the time that's part of the reason and i left academia is because i didn't have any time to get to these projects that i really felt god you know wanted me to devote my time and energy to What are some of the messages you get when people read your material? What do they say to you? It's been largely positive, you know.

I would say overwhelmingly positive. Most of the negative comments that I get have less to do with my books and material and more to do with, you know, the trolls that you have to weed out on social media. Yeah, we know about that. Don't feed the trolls, me. But, I mean, the positive messages, I mean, are they connecting the dots? Yes. I would say that they are.

Because I've had a lot of people come to me and say, you know, I never thought about, you know, I never thought much more past. They were being giants and then, you know, that was it. What role did they possibly play? You know, when I pointed out, you know, the importance of Jesus's visit to Cessori of Philippa at the foot of Mount Herman. You know, and all of the implications that that had because it was ground zero for the Genesis 6 material. I've had lots of people come to me and say, thank you for, you know, that started me down my own, you know, trail of researching this. So that, that's edifying for me and it's confirmation, you know, that I'm doing what I need to be doing. I mean, these debates never work.

Nobody's ever converted. But if you ever really, like, stump somebody and they got them back on the, man, maybe you're right. Maybe the Giants were real. Did that ever happen? Does it ever happen? The people want to know. I've never gotten into like a heated... It doesn't seem like it's your personality to yell at people.

Yeah, it's never... Not anything that like sort of wears down into ad hominem attacks or anything like that. It gets ugly. Yeah, like I say, debates are... There's not a whole lot of point to them. People need to be convinced on their own, present the evidence to them, and let the Holy Spirit do the rest. Even like the conferences that I've gone to and the one we host, you know, I don't agree. We don't agree on everything.

And, you know, I'm perfectly fine with that. I've never found out of reason to eviscerate somebody else for not completely agreeing with me on a particular issue. What a novel concept, right? There can be a free marketplace of ideas. And you can pair down to the facts and to, you know, and develop your own hypothesis based on that. It's shocking. thought of that. Well, I mean, I think it's hard when, you know, you have sex of Christianity saying Satan doesn't exist. Is that still Christianity? Like, I don't know, because there's

all these events where Christ is interacting with Satan in real time. So what do you do with that? I mean, that's where I think the arguments start, right? When it's just, it's something else. Like, you've created a whole other thing, right? It's universalism. It's like the whole Rob Bell thing, right that there's no hell how could they be a hell and you get into all these weird things where if there wasn't then why would you mention the why would it be mentioned the why would it be mentioned the bible as many times as it is more than more so than heaven you know you take people back and people don't want to hear it though it's it's the whole cognitive distance that jed was talking about it's like it's where we are as society that we and i talk about this all time we can watch the

same thing on video and see with our own eyes and know what it is and then have literally have the mouthpiece of media tell you it's not what you saw it's something else and you need to believe this and people do it's it's it's crazy to me well they needed yeah project mockingbird they don't know about that stuff yeah it's the power it's the power of the media and propaganda which you know i mean it's a sciop man yeah but yeah but there's people that don't even they don't even believe in the deep state or the siops or the the projects so it's i don't know i mean i guess i guess you said it you know just let the holy spirit do its thing i mean it would take a spirit of to get our minds into that, I think, because we're so jaded.

Well, that's what L.A. was saying, right, Nate? L.A. was said that basically in our interview. He said, like, it's the whole idea that the gospel is nonsense to the foolish, right? It's, I'm paraphrasing badly, but God uses foolish things to confound the wise. Yeah. When you give your testimony or you minister to somebody or you present the plan of salvation or whatever, you know, it's the same thing. All you can do is lay out the facts and what you believe.

And it's up to that other person to make the decision and the Holy Spirit to convict them to do that. So it's a similar kind of, you know, not with the same amount of eternal impact, obviously, but it's the same kind of thing. And I think that's something that's sort of been lost maybe in, you know, we're talking about biblical literacy and the teaching of the Bible. and, you know, we've just thrown away the proper way to do that. And, you know, you end up with workbooks of, in Sunday school books of, you know, the chock full of just feel-good lessons.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, it almost seems like, you know, the more the show barrels on, the more we hear about these stories, God almost seems like he enjoys stumping the smart people and doing things in a way, doing things in a way that the intellectuals hate. You know what I mean? Like it doesn't make sense. It's like the human way we think about things and we just like,

God's like, I'm going to do it this way. You know what I mean? I'm going to get this crazy guy to build a boat for 120 years and he's going to get laughed at and mocked at. And you sort of need this fearless, crazy person to do the will of God. And there's just all these stories of these,

I don't know. So, I mean, the more and more time-bearer, on. I think the more human beings try to rationalize these stories. And it's just, it's clear to me now that it's like, the weirder stuff is the better stuff and the more important stuff. And it has to be, it's the weird stuff's the good stuff. Yeah. If it's in the Bible and it's weird, it's probably important. Yeah. Let's just to draw a little box around. Yeah. Yeah. So let's, that's where we get weird. You know, we like to get weird. Yeah. We do like to get weird on this show. Well, Judd, thanks so much. The, the, the, the, the, the, Your newest paper is called The War of the Words, God Kings and their titles, a preliminary report on the linguistic relationship between the Refi'em and rural titles in Eurasian languages. Fascinating story. Unbelievable insight here. I really do think this is.

Thank you. In a lot of ways, groundbreaking. It really is. It's, again, connecting the dots, I think. And I think you said it really well that, like, it's all there. It's just sometimes you have to decode the coding. and connect the dots, but you're uncovering things that have been there. You can check it out for yourself.

I know, Judd, you talk about where you can read this dissertation and also where you'll put on the show notes. But I think one of the things, too, you mentioned, and if you want to have a shout-out for it here, would be to talk about your classes that you're opening up. I know you mentioned that briefly. I'm actually curious to what that is. Certainly. I mean, if people want to study these sorts of things, they can do it with me under the

auspices of the Institute of Biblical Anthropology. I offer an apprenticeship certification is 12 courses. And, you know, I know money's tight right now. And so I knocked $50 off of the original price. And it's going now through the end of, and I may extend it a few days, but now through the end of the month, it's $150. And people can study, you know, I have biblical anthropology, archaeology, geography, biblical history, you know,

the more orthodox. sorts of things. I've got some language stuff, apocrypha, Christian history. And then, you know, in the electives, you're going to find things like giantology and biblical demonology and things like religions of the Bible and witchcraft in the Bible. And people can access that, well, if they want to study with me, they can email me at Professor Burton at Yahoo.com. They can also look at BurtonBion.com and T-I-O-B-A.org, which is the Institute website. awesome yeah thanks jud thanks for digging up those linguistic bones my pleasure it look this is my bread and butter man you know um you know this is what indiana jones is doing when

he's not dodging you know nazi bullets and things like that he's studying or dodging or dodging the the women in his classes that's right wivit yeah you got to cut down on those office that's right if you can send us a uh are all the names that you found in that list of the document that you put up for sale the people the PDF are all of the names in there I am built yeah I'm building a list the ones that I that I include in the report are are sort of best case okay cool they illustrate those the best sounds like it's a book in the works it could be a very well could be and it's just this one word I love it.

You know, you look at all the other core. I like we're going. Hey, I like we're going with that. I see what you're doing there, Judd. It's just this one word. One word. A lot of words, but it's just one word. Dr. Meem.

You nailed it again. That's right. I'll figure something out there, Dr. Judd. All right, man. All right. Thanks, Jed. Well, hey, I missed quote of the Bible earlier. I want to correct it. First Corinthians 118 and looked it up.

For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing. But to us are being saved, it is the power of God. I mean, that's what I meant to say. Yeah. Yeah. It's funny how you're, you know, your understanding of those things morphs over time. It's great to talk about how the Giants fits into that.

The Bible is obviously more and more kind of like a sci-fi novel as I get older, you know? Yep. And I think that's hard for people. It is. Yeah. Well, yeah, you know, like said, Lord of the Rings meets Terminator. We'll have to have you on again when you write this book about the one word. Well, I'll keep you apprised of my progress.

Keep us a surprise of any other epiphanies as well, because we always like to be first in line if we can be. Absolutely. Now, I want to see your dreadlocks next time, too. They're not there, man. I'm telling you. Thanks, guys.