Blurry Creatures - EP: 228 Ninjas Are Butterflies X Blurry Creatures

Episode Date: March 20, 2024

In this groundbreaking collaboration, listeners are treated to a mesmerizing blend of ancient ninja wisdom from the Ninjas Are Butterflies Podcast and the elusive allure of Blurry Creatures lurking in the shadows. We all explore the secrets of the blurryverse as our two podcasts merge unique perspectives to unveil a tapestry of intrigue. Check out the Ninjas Are Butterflies podcast for conspiracies, lots of laughs, and some of the best dudes in the game. Support the show! www.blurrycreatures.com/members Intro Song: SunglassesKid/Marvel 83  Socials instagram.com/blurrycreatures facebook.com/blurrycreatures twitter.com/blurrycreatures Music Kyle Monroe: tinytaperoom.com Outro Song: TimeCop1983: timecop1983.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Luke's so often, people email us, and they have this story. They're out in their woods, and they're looking in the bushes, and they go, what's that? And when you are pouring your dog food and your dog's bowl, that's the last thing you want to say. What is that? What is this stuff coming out of this bag? You know, I don't think a lot of us think about maybe what we feed our dogs, and that's why we partner with rough greens.

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our earth is so different from what we can imagine. The Smithsonian, that if they found out about a large skeleton somewhere, was to go get it. I'm going to assume at least one person is right, because if one person's right, it bust the paradigm. It all goes back to the fallen chair. And the problem with the modern day church, they have a very truncated view of the supernatural. This backdrop that's just pregnant with all kinds of meaning associated with this Mount Herman event. And this guy defects from the kingdom. That's a big deal. Oh, Kenne of Copeland. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This week, we're going to do a crossover with the Ninjas or Butterflies guys. They're a podcast from Orlando area. Good dudes. We went down there,

and we did a crossover together a while ago, but we're going to release that today on our feed. Check out those guys, Ninjas are Butterflies, and hope you like this one. And we'll have some exciting news with those guys coming up here soon. So if you like this, you're going to get more of this. Hope you enjoy it. Oh, Kenneth Copeland. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You said the thing where he talks about why he needs two jets, not just one. He has two jets. Oh, yeah, because he doesn't want to fly in the tube full of demons, right? Dude, see, you need to do the, he needs a meme, meme, whatever that one is that one is special.

Because we have his Bible. It's full of demons. Someone sent us Kenneth Copeland's Bible, and it's all, it's the Bible, but with like his notes in it. It's his highlighting. Oh, come on. But it's like simple things. Like, oh, he highlighted John 316. It's like, man, I just think this is a very important verse.

Like, yeah, obviously, dude. He wrote Tim Tebow in the margins. Like, what are you talking about? It's like you siding Tim Tebow right now for your source? Dude, bro. I mean, think about that for a love gift of 99, 99. You can have all my Bible notes. That's all you got to do, baby.

It's like, man, I'm that closer to heaven. Oh, dude, it's... Perfect. Just sew your seed right now. How's everybody's ears? Anyone need anything? I feel like I need to be a little bit louder, right? I don't know. Maybe it's just me. A little bit louder now? A little bit louder now.

I love the size and the... Oh, yeah. Butterflies. Perfect, right? Props to knowing. Dude, I like these orange seats. Where do you find that? These? No, these and that. Facebook Marketplace, maybe. Facebook Marketplace.

It's out of, like, a diner or something. That's from Amazon. Yeah. And that's from Facebook Marketplace. We found this and we painted it orange. It was black originally, I think. Painted the leather orange? Yeah.

It was like from like some smoke lounge in Orlando. Yeah, I could not care about us. Yeah. He could not care less about us. Like, we're here to pick up the booth. He's like, he's on his phone. I was like, okay, we're just going to grab whatever. It looks great.

Yeah, it's sticky though. Do you ever get orange on your pants? You're like, dude. I'm trying to think like it's taking me back to the 80s and like a Pizza Hut booth or something. Yeah, we're going for like Pizza Hut. Nickelodeon if they had a baby. Those red cups in the 90s, the pizza, dude?

Listen, I was going to wear a sweatshirt because me and Andrew match today. It's way too hot. Too hot. I took wine off, dude. Roundtable. So we used up roundtable pizza? No, the 80s was like straw hat pizza and shakies. Remember shakies?

No, I remember roundtables. Shakeies pizza? Where'd you grow up? California. That's what we called my grandpa. Shakees. Yeah, that's what they call my grandpa with Parkinson's. Ew.

Sad. That'll be sad. Cance. No. No. He actually enjoyed it. It was a term of endearment. Shakies. Here come Shakies. He loved Parkinson's guys. Stop. You don't know my grandpa. It's like, no. He branded it. You used it. It was his brand. It was his thing. It's my grandpa, too. Oh, welcome back. So we started already.

We're here. We're live. That's good. That's how they do. They get you to say all the things and then. Oh, are we going? hypothetically if you were to get canceled, what would you have got canceled for saying? Wait, I mean, we're not recording, are we? Who did you guys vote for? Tell us the worst thing you said off camera. How much money do you make right now?

Hey guys, it's Blurry Creature. Blurry Creatures is here. Nate and Luke. Nate and Luke, baby. What's your last name, Nate? Henry. Henry. Luke Rogers, Nate Henry.

All right. He's here with us. We're in outside of Orlando, Florida. Sunday cool, baby. Sunday cool. ninjas of butterflies. Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba. These guys flew in just to hang out with us, which is an honor.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Which, I get it. And they've already told us it's worth it to them. It's worth their time, their effort, their energy, being away from their families. They said, there's nowhere else we'd rather be. That's right. Especially when you feed us tacos.

I know. You did feed them tacos. It's a low bar, guys. It's a low bar. No, you walk in, the aesthetic just nails you and you feel like you're at home. Yeah, you see the pink alligators. You see the pray for vegans flag? People have asked what our studio smells like.

Can you guys tell them what it smells like? Yeah, first questions. It smells like just a lot of testosterone. Nice. Mixed with maybe someone didn't wash one shirt. That's fair. Or two. Or two.

Or two. Or two. Is that? More underwear. Is that ketchup? And onions? Hitch up. And onions.

Hats in my mouth. Hey on second thoughts. Those tuxedosos. guys. It's thick. Thick in this air. You got to bring a lady in here sometimes, so I'm sure it smells great. We do. Lily, my wife, and she... But she's used to your smell. Exactly. She is. Yeah. So my testosterone ketchup smell. It's pretty much odor agnostic. It's nice in here. It doesn't exist. Yeah. I'm just not sure if that smells exactly what I'm smelling. I'm not sure I can define any of that. That is true, though. There is like a secret smell where your house smells

a certain way, but you don't know. And then you're like, you ask somebody, what does this smell like in here? Does it smell good or not? Like, you can't smell it? No, you can't. You get it, you get immune to it after a while. No, it's a, it's a thing. I've always wondered that. Honestly, the way to figure it out is to go into your closet and pull some sheets out that you haven't used a long time and smell that's what your house smells like. Really? I just, do you think that counts for the closet as well? I don't know. Because I pulled out a shirt the other day that I had been worn in like a year. I pulled out and smell. That's that smell. That's that's what your house smells. I go into my closet and it's so warm in there because there's no vent and we keep the door closed and so we walk in

it's like this humid closet I'm like this is this doesn't represent the rest of my home so there's no way you're telling me my house smells like a sweaty dude yeah yeah that's just you and your closet you just have some mothballs hanging up I was just about to say my grandma's closet the mothball smell dude I kind of love it intoxicating yeah yeah also gives me I mean I don't know if mom also I love it yeah right I don't know if moths and butterflies go to but yeah some people think so yeah listen I don't care what you say I don't care it gives me cancer I love it there's you can fill in a lot of blanks let's say so guys we usually start out with a song do you want a song yeah you like a song

I've been no I want a song Luke likes to sing on our podcast so well if you if you feel like you if you can tune in go for it so normally I just play guitar but I know you have the background of music so I got him on it are get big red on I'm retired. All right, he's retired. I don't even know what song it is. What fours are there? Yeah, just talk national numbers.

You know three songs you can do a worship song. The whole thing is one four. And then it goes one five four in the key of C. This is where we find out Nate is never played in a band. I've never. I played bass. He's like Ashley Simpson. Like, did you start the track already?

Yeah. I was an alpha. I'm just going to just going to pretend like I'm playing. Just act like you're strumming. No one's going to hear you. It's fine. All right, well, you know, Freeburg? I guess we'll just come up with something.

Yeah, we'll just dabble. We'll just dabble. We'll just dab, beep, bit, bit, bit, bit, bit. We got some really cool guests, so maybe we can tie them in somehow. What, like, blurry creatures? Possibly. I mean, like, I don't know. I don't know how important they are.

But yeah. Not important, but you know that's a challenge. Yeah, we'll figure out. Yeah, we'll see if we can put something in. All right, here we go. Yeah. Started with a picture long ago. Swimming in a lake so very well.

Everyone would look and everyone would know the story of the monster they would tell She was born the land of Scotland a life that feels so very messy I can only imagine but she's thinking what she's swimming Knowing that her name is Nessie and we say hey creature It's late at night Oh, I thought that was for you. Looking through places. Oh, we'll see that again.

This is so good. He's walking through the woods late at night. Looking at for cameras with his eyes. Yes. Going through those places with unfamiliar faces. We looked at Bigfoot and he shouts and cries. And he said, hey, you blurry creatures. Flurry creatures is in the house.

Wow. I love it. We're gonna need to do. Nages or butterflies, baby. We might need to just to license that for the show. Hey, we, that was special, guys. I mean, that was, you know, best intro we found. I don't know where, yeah. I don't know where I thought the bar would be, but you exceeded it.

We raised it. Hopefully. That was amazing. Episode 36, Ninses of Butterflies. 63. What I say? 36. 36.

A lot of people have that problem What is that called when you mix it back in floor? Dyslexia. Dyslexia. I'm pretty sure I have that, dude. Episode 63. We could not be more excited. That was awesome.

The fact that Blurray Creeches is. Thank you. Yeah, we wrote that like an hour before I left to go pick him up. Yeah. It's off of that song. What's it? It's Big and Rich.

Holy Water. Holy Water. You know, the legendary band Big and Rich. You know, Big and Rich? Yeah. Everyone knows that band. A Big Kenny and John Rich. Yeah.

John Rich's house. He's got a guitar-shaped pool. Are you really? An elevator. Oh, my goodness. Yeah. Look at that. Full circle, baby.

Maybe don't show him that song. Like, hey, John, whose number I don't have. Hey, let me. You might want to sign these guys. They got some talent. He's like, that melody sounds a little familiar. If we get sued by Big and Rich, that's the way I want to go out. Yeah.

You give me an idea, though. We might need to put out a cryptic record, you know, like about all the blurry creatures, but it's just like. The blurry EP? Dude, let's make a blurry EP. Okay. Just singing all about,

I'm pretty worthless. You get like all your favorite podcast. You get your favorite podcast and band dudes to come up with like funny songs about Sasquatch. Dude, I love that. Let's do it. Okay. No one steal that idea.

That's ours. Switch move? I know. We just put it out. Switch foot. Hey, speaking of. Why am I so dyslexic today? Andy, speaking of.

Squid foot? Speaking of switch switch. Switch move. Hey, do you know they're going to be? out on tour? You know who they're out on tour the next year? Creed. And switchfoot and Creed? Three doors down. No, Squidfoot and Creed.

Squitchfoot? Bro. Hey, there is... Squidfoot? We're a little older than you guys, but... No, Creed was my... Summer of 99 tour coming. This is totally up. But it is... Creed is back together, and they are... Switchfoot's going out, and... Something's really awesome about that.

Like, you may not like any of that music. I like Switchfoot, all right. But you might not like... any of the music, but you want to come just to see this, right? Like Scott Stapp doing Scott Stap. Things like, you know, half-time at the Cowboys game where he's like, guys are flying around on ribbons and stuff.

In the Jersey, dude. Let's go. We've actually reached out to him on the Ninja's TikTok and asked them like, hey, when you come in on the pod? Because they are promoting their new tour. He lives in Brentwood. Like I saw the Nashville. This is perfect.

I've got a great Scott Saps story. I've got a buddy who's like a pretty well off. They live in a really nice neighborhood. I don't know how to put. this but Scott Stapplet's his neighborhood and my friend is like 60 something years old and he there's no idea who Creed is and he's like there's this guy and he goes down to the pool and acts like he owns this place and he's the biggest jerk and he's kicking things in the pool and I was like okay you got a new neighbor and he's like there's this guy named Scott Stapp

and I was like uh classic Scott yeah I'm like I'm like from creed he's like I don't know and I'm like so you like everyone in your neighborhood but the guy from creed this is my favorite story about Scott Stapp. You need to change, dude. If Scott Stapp doesn't like you, you need to change. That's my opinion. I'm like, man, I'm like Marshall, I love that you have no idea. It's like that one dad, there's that famous meme where he's taking a selfie and he's like, look who it is. It's Justin Beaver. And it's like, Bieber's behind him. You're like, this is the guy. And he's like, I don't know who this is, but this guy's a jerk. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. He owns the pool. He does not own the pool. But speaking of Creed, I have a question for the day.

That's a really good transition. There it is. Thank you, Josh. You're welcome. Today's question. It's an end by our viewer. I'll take it from here. Do what?

I said I'll take it from here. With a question? Yeah. Because it's been 63 episodes, Josh, and I've never been able to control a question. I have a question that's been laying on my mind. It's been laying on my heart for years. And I just, I just want to ask it.

All right. Cool. Yeah. I mean, that's, I like this vibe. This is weird, but. Question today. Sent it by you. Sent it by me.

Did Bigfoot kidnapped? I mean, it's okay. Well, it was a good first start. It's all right. That's coming. It's okay. Did Bigfoot kidnap my daddy? Oh.

Yes. I've. I mean, it's definitely not because. If we're going to interrupt. I mean, my dad interrupt, you know, my dad, not to interrupt, but like, my dad left as a very young child, and I never got to know him. So, you know, a lot of people have said,

maybe that's why. Maybe so I'm asking you today, did Bigfoot kidnap my dad? Yes, definitely, yeah. Like, why is he, why is he gone? Because why else would he be gone if, like, if he's not kidnapped by Bigfoot, like, why else, like, is it like,

yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's definitely not because he didn't love you or just didn't want you to be in his life or... So you say, you know? No, I'm saying. What do you say? Not. Bigfoot kidnapped my daddy?

I think he did. Like, yeah. Yeah, of course. Yeah. Because like, why else, why would he, why would it be? Oh, I mean, yeah. Honestly, that's where we're here. Yeah.

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absolutely. Andrew? Yeah, I think I think he did. Yeah, Bigfoot, that's where your dad is. Bigfoot just took him. And he's pretty elusive, man. Yeah, I'm sure he misses you. Right, guys? He's probably riding on a horse somewhere. Yeah. Probably find fun.

Just protect the people. Yeah. He's riding on a horse next to Bigfoot. He's just riding on a horse in the sunset with Bigfoot. Okay. Well, you're here first. Bigfoot kidnapped Andy's dad. And that's why he's been absent his whole life.

Welcome to the show. Man, Daddy, yes. That's one way to start a show, isn't it? We always somehow bring up Andy's dad being absent. You guys are so incredible. It's amazing. You're all right. also like to start off. I'm having fun. Yeah. Yeah. I am having me too, dude. I'm having fun. We don't get to have fun a lot. Well, we do, but we, it's a different kind of fun. Yeah. You guys talk about, you guys talk a lot of, and it gets heavy. A lot of weird stuff, and that's a lot of, and I know you guys. Well, I was about to say, we have this thing that we typically do with our guests, and I don't know how much you guys is seeing in our podcast, but we typically start off by asking a question to a guest. I was about, and I was about, and I was about, and I was about, and,

You guys do the same thing. Yeah. You guys, I always ask one specific question. But we're going to ask, what are your thoughts on big feet? Big feet. I'm not really,

right? I don't know. I'm not really into big feet. Oh, man, yeah. You can make a lot of money. That's a big feet. You can make a lot of money

with big feet. Also, those toes are, what are your thoughts on big feet, though? Like Hobbit feet? Like hairy and big feet. Just big feet in general.

I mean, there are certain people that are feet people. Yeah. Quentin Tarantino is a foot. person. So is Rex Ryan's a foot guy. I know you guys talk about Bigfoot a lot. Yeah. Which that is a big foot. Those are many feet or many foot says you would say feet then. So would you say that one? Look at that one. What did you pay for that picture? A lot. That's multiple. It's a whole family of big feet. I mean that one's special too. Hey, come on. Big boy.

I just had to add term it's feet in the beginning. There we go. Big feet of all the all the celebrities, big feet. We don't ask that question. We just wanted to play off your guys. What do you guys think of Bigfoot? What do you guys think of Bigfoot? Oh, man. Crazy, right?

I love him. He's the greatest. What do you change my life? What are your thoughts on the newest video of Bigfoot? Let me preface this. Everyone watching this right now? Yeah. This is not going to be anything like you've ever watched before.

We're just going to talk about the craziest stuff. Yeah. Perfect. Because we're not going to talk about it. We got the dudes from blurry creatures who are based out of Tennessee. Right. They're down in Florida. They just got here.

They're leaving tonight. So we're just going to be asking all the questions that we could possibly ask them. Like, where did Andy's dad go? Yeah. What do you think of big feet? We figured that out. So what did we figure big feet? I want to hear y'all's thoughts on big foot.

Big foot. The actual. The squatch. The one with the big feet. Big foot. Yeah. You know, the. The Bigfoot's foot, if we're starting there.

Yeah. It's an amazing foot. Which I'm serious. The Sasquatch foot can bend in the middle. What? Yeah, it's got like a hinge in it. Okay. So it can go straight up a mountain because it has like a hinge.

So that's how big it is because usually it's either a curve and people who get flat feet made fun of. But the next person would be an angled in the middle of the flat foot. So they're like, and that's what big foot is. Yeah, apparently. I don't know. made fun of being flat foot. I'm just saying I saw somebody on TikTok last night that said like they just put like a dude that just put his foot down on the ground and it was the

flatest foot I've ever seen. And so like everyone has a little bit of an arch. Bigfoot has to have such a foot that's so big that you're saying it has an arch in the middle. Like there's a hinge. They call it the mid tarceal break. Are we talking like toe to heel like a V? No, we're talking in the middle right in the middle like oh like like your toes go up. Yeah, like his toes can go up. Yeah. So you can see it in the footprints of the Sasquatch, but, you know, more of like the scientists

who brought on some scientists on the show who talk about, you know, the anomalies of the foot itself that it can't be faked because it's so, it's such a unique foot itself. But obviously they're not wearing shoes. No one would think to fake it like that. Yeah.

Because they're also measuring like the weight, like they're measuring like the level of the ground, the weight that it would take to put down. And so there's a lot of that goes into it. Yeah, yeah, I feel like you're an expert and you see these cast, you're like, this thing is not fake. It's just so many little details here that you can't fake and you'd have to know anatomy and you'd have to be able to, you know what I'm saying? So the foot itself is sort of, I think, obviously that's where they found the tracks. You know, the guys that were, there was a story where like Sasquatch started where they, these construction workers up near where they filmed the Bigfoot.

We're seeing these massive tracks kind of around the area. And then they came back and they saw some tractor tires like being thrown around and a lot of the dudes quit. They were like working on the roads. Scott Stapp. I'm not. Yeah. Scott Stap. That guy's a jerk man.

And that's how Creed was starting. So like, yeah, that's where the Bigfoot, you know, kind of the name comes from. You know, he's kind of stuck in the mud there. But then, you know, what's like the indigenous, like Native Americans, what would they refer to Bigfoot as? There was over what, I think there was over a hundred names. No way. In Indian, yeah. For Sasquatch, which is probably the most popular one.

Yeah. But there's a lot of names for this creature, and that's kind of where our show started. I was like, that's the whole premise of where you guys hit off the ground. Well, it was Sasquatch, it was big foot. Yeah, we wanted to start somewhere that was sort of a good launching point,

and I think Sasquatch is the most popular of all the crypted creatures. Especially American culture. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we've seen all over the world. different versions of really yeah we were talking about British Bigfoot yeah actually I have never know that I've never heard anything overseas there's a year in the

Yetty okay what's the British Bigfoot they come like the wild man and there's a bunch of stories and you'd be good friends yeah track and I mean they have there's this lore around it and their sightings of this on the British Isles and we were talking to Hugh Newman this week he's been on ancient aliens he's been on our show a couple times and he was weird he was the first actually we've done two interviews this week and this for the first time really had two repeat guests want to revisit that question right like thought what are your thoughts on Bigfoot yeah how we start all our shows and he was saying that um that you don't think about England and the

UK with being a lot of wild spaces but there really is yeah and so there's enough of enough sightings and encounters there that there's something going on you talked about a guy named Nick Redfern who wrote a book about Bigfoot in the UK if you will but they call him the wild man and um it's I mean, they're everywhere, though. Like, you've got, there's the one in Australia. There's the Arambeck. Arrang Pende.

A wrecked Pende. A wrecked. Something. Something like that. Somewhere, somewhere. That's a different. That's all that matters. Well, there's more.

A ring. I think it's a ring pendic. Rang Pendek. Thank you. That's, uh, is that China? I don't know. No, it's Vietnam. Now, it's like, it's similar. Like, is that in every culture?

Like, in most cultures, there's always a big but kind of like, because we've seen like dragons and angels have always like in literature of cultures. Like is that the same thing with big. Well, I don't think it's ambiguous. I don't think there's not. No, because some of them are smaller like the North American ones are sort of the biggest ones. Yeah. And some of the ones in like Australia are shorter four foot, five foot.

So it's fascinating about that when you ask about the Native American stuff is that like, do you realize that like when they have the totem pole, right? That every one of those is a real animal in the totem pole except for Bigfoot, right? So you have this idea of like. These are all the real things. So why would they put something that they don't believe to be real? They thought this, the Sasquatch or the Wild Man was the protector of the forest.

So that's how there was, if you talk to Native American folks that have passed down the traditions, they'll say that, yeah, there's, you don't go to these places and they, he's the protector of the forest, but you don't, you leave them alone. You kind of stay out of their space.

Or was it like a respect kind of thing? You said this place was steps from the water. We just haven't found the steps yet. How much? Did we save? Enough. Enough to get lost. Or you could book a stay with Hilton.

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It was both. I think it was kind of like, you know, fear of God, right? You respect God completely. Yeah. Not to, we're not diminishing. So you think Bigfoot is God. Wait, right?

But the analogy there is that you respect this thing, so you stay away from. You got to be on your game here. Yeah, you do. They just, you guys are our ninjas. We just, we just, we just, we're ninjas. Get you. No, Sasquatch is fascinating. And the show started there with the big guy.

Yeah. And we started bringing on dudes talking about Sasquatch, which leads to to like other big beings. And we start talking about giants and things. Is Bigfoot the gateway drug? It is. Oh, yeah. I've heard recently, I heard last night that if you know a person who owns...

That's our first episode. That's what it's time. Yeah. Yeah. They say if you know somebody who owns chickens, they're a conspiracy thing. That's funny. Because if you own chickens, you probably have somewhat of a distrust in the food department in America.

And then if you have a mistrust in the food department, then you probably have a trust in the pharmaceuticals, and it just continues from there. So it's like owning chickens as a gateway drug for conspiracy podcast. Let's make that the question. Yeah. Guy, everyone listening, do you own chickens? I'm interested.

Let's do a poll. Yeah, I would love to know. I have chickens. I do too. I do not. My wife always wants it, but it's, yet. I always say this is something else that I'm going to have to take care of.

I don't want to add that to my list. They seem pretty easy. We forget to feed him, like, sometimes. quite a bit. We will have chicken some way. Same thing with kids though.

They're pretty easy as long as you feed them every once in a while. You have to put them up there. Last night I was in my underwear walking through the backyard 30 degrees outside. Close your eyes and imagine.

Stepping on walnuts. What a picture that is. And I was just, are they in there? I hope they're in there. Lock them up. Just a toss of food. Yeah.

Hope for the best. They're the best. You definitely saw the video of the Bigfoot in Colorado. We see, we see them all in that. We get them all.

The one of the time. Yeah, yeah. I think that was fake. Totally. You think? It has to be fake. Well, yeah. Why do you think it's fake?

That's what I'm curious. Because it looks like such a specific video. It seems weird. It does seem weird that he would sit down in the middle of a mountain. There's like a Sasquatch trailer company like right around the corner. Yeah. And they like posted a thing on their Instagram and says, we didn't do it. And it looked like a manicured suit.

Like it looked like he had just got out of like some 70s disconties discons. dance club and you're like this is just I don't understand why Bigfoot would just get up and like realize that you're filming or see you and then just sit down I'm like nah I didn't seem real and so it's kind of like aliens to me it's like if it looks like an alien of what I thought it's like it probably doesn't exist because if it's anything like what humans conceived aliens to look like

then it's probably not real I mean there's a hoax and then there's like clever marketing yeah I think it's in the clever marketing space. That blurry lie. It's not like we're trying to hoax you. It's like, yeah. Yeah. I hear you.

Yeah. Well done. So Josh has seen UFOs. Josh has seen at least those UFOs in his life. And I say UFOs because it's unidentified right now. Yeah. Close.

And it's one of those things where how do you guys, have you ever had an experience like that where you can't explain something? And it's like, it's just so out there that you're like, I know it's real, but I know it sounds crazy when I explain it. Yeah. Because I have a ghost experience like that, but I don't have anything type of like a UFO type of thing.

So like Luke's got some, we've told a few stories. I saw like a werewolf creature as a kid. That's the only thing I've ever seen. And it took me a long time to put it together. That's what I saw. And you're fully confident in what you saw. Yeah. See. Yeah. This was California? California. Yeah. In my parents' house,

there was like a screen door that went out from like a sunroom. I was probably like seven, six, seven years old. Yeah. And I remember, you know, I was the youngest, you know, and so you're not in the mindset with the oldest child where you can say anything you want and everyone's going to believe you. Yeah.

And I saw this thing and I remember looking at it multiple times. And it was like in the window. It was kind of grinning at me and had this like red eyes. And I was like, this is not going away when I look. And I screamed and ran to all my parents. But, you know, the reason I remember it, though, is because I would I would run from one room to the next for years after that. Yeah.

And I wouldn't look out that window. But the memory itself is, you know, it's kind of fuzzy. It's kind of blurry. But it happened. But it happened. Yeah. And that's the thing. How do you...

But then I was listening to Sasquatch shows. And people were saying that they see the dog man, the dog man, the dog man. I'm like, the heck is the dog man. I know what the Sasquatch is. What is the dog man? And then I'm like, oh my gosh. That's what you saw. I saw the same thing.

What is the dog man? Yeah, I've heard the werewolf. It's the werewolf. Is it walk up on two legs? Yeah, it does both. Sometimes it runs off. But it's your classic werewolf. Is it like the Harry Potter?

The Graham? Lupter. Yeah, Lupin. Yeah, kind of. But it, I mean, yeah, I mean, it's just your classic werewolf. Most of them have the werewolf face. Classic werewolf. Now, pretty terrifying.

Nate, what are your actual thoughts on that? Like, do you think it was an actual physical person who turned into war? or you think it was something spiritual and this realm i've listened to probably 10 of your podcast so far yeah since meeting you guys and you just opened up this it's you're going into all these ways yeah i'm just i'm just terrified it's crazy about it's like it's like sitting with santa claus you just want to ask them like everything about the north pole how to eat so many cookies in one night yeah i need that how's it's it possible but i'm bloated dude so this is this is where we're at so we're gonna the

werewolf yeah like um there are where creatures what is where what is where mean what is that like what does the word mean it's kind of in like um from my understanding it's that's more the shape shifting okay so it's like they can take on these forms

so I think you have I think you what we've discovered on a show most of the time is you have sort of an all of the above thing going on a lot can is Sasquatch an animal yeah is Sasquatch paranormal yeah correct can he go from our dimension somewhere else yeah can he throw rocks with perfect accuracy yeah so it's a other stay silent in the woods right next to you yeah i i don't know

does he come on and go on the UFOs yeah like so he's in the same category as those types of things where it's something it's something it's out of our dimension it's just like it's something it's just a broad oh it's scary well i think i think of like joe where it talks about like the of the heavenly beings or the heavenly creatures and stuff you know it's like they didn't say like the meeting of the angels or like all that stuff you know it's just like it's like so broad you know it's like then Satan or whatever we talk about us in our show Josh I think there's this we have this medieval understanding of of the supernatural the spiritual realm right because it's it becomes very binary I think a lot of our minds it's just like it's god and angels you know but angels in of itself

is a Greek word that just means messenger it's actually a job title right and if you go in the Old Testament, there's other titles for the host of heaven, if you will. Enoch talks about watchers. And that is a job title as well. They were like sentinels. They're watching. What are they watching? I'm not exactly sure.

Maybe they're, if you think of heaven as a kingdom, perhaps they're sort of like the lookouts, right? And that was their job. So I always say this. And I really do believe this. I think if we look at the magnitude of creation around us, right? there are millions of different types of life on earth here, right? Yeah. That we're discovering every day.

New stuff every day, most of small stuff. But every once in a while, you'll have something that comes out of the jungles in Southeast Asia. And you go, that's weird. That's something they had never seen before. Yeah. That's where we're at. So I think that for us to have this idea that heaven is this place where there's these winged sort of pseudo-human things. And God himself on his throne is probably very short-sighted.

It's probably not as about not so binary. In fact, we contend that there's a lot of things that we learn about heaven in the scriptures that talk about roads and walls. And we talk about manna being the bread of heaven, right? So if you want to reverse engineer that, if you will, then you need grain. You need to grind grain and you have to be doing that and farming and those kind of things in heaven. Perhaps that happens. And also, I think that we only get really a glimpse of what's happening in that space.

We do have the stories about, you know, about the fall of Satan and then, Lucifer and you have this this rebellion in heaven but as far as like specifics we don't get a lot yeah but I think there's a lot that can be explained by being like well if this is what we have here I don't know why we'd think it'd be the diversity if you will of of of creation in the heavens it would be any different in the sense of that's that's kind of where I'm following now because you have too many things as Nate said like you have this big foot creature and you have you have all of these crypted, these different things that exhibit these supernatural type behaviors. And there's got to be something to there being a lot more than maybe we've thought about it.

And I think that the middle ages and all of the Renaissance painters didn't really do us any favors because you get all these little babies with wings and things floating. You have these beautiful works of art, but they are, it really gives you a very truncated, you know, sort of perception of what might be. in the heavenly realms. And you're right about Job, right? The hosts, the sons of God cried for joy at the creation of the earth. So there's this, and that's a very broad term, right? So, but you have this terminology of all these heavenly beings, and it talks about the host of heaven. And they're all kind of watching as God's doing what he's doing. And I, I don't think it's, it's maybe the way that we've always thought about things with just these winged dudes, more or less, like, just cruising around,

playing harps and, like, and, and doing things. That was going to be one of my questions was, So I heard on one-year podcast. Maybe it was with Ali. Ali, yeah. Seattle, yeah. Yeah, 199. That was a dope episode. Not 99.

Not in one, yeah. Yeah. But where he talked about just Christianity throughout history and like the Renaissance era and the Reformation era and like how they depicted things and stuff. My question is, do you think that we now are moving into a new era of understanding. understanding the supernatural, if you will, like with, I guess with UFOs coming out and like just, I don't know. I'm just like, do you think we're entering this new era of understanding like the mysteries of God are continuing to be revealed in this new era?

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Stop taking bad travel advice. Start comparing hundreds of sites with kayak and get your trip right. Kayak, got that right. You know, I feel like, you know, the information age, we've definitely got more information, more context to make sense of things. I think a lot of the guys in interpreting things throughout history did the best they could what they had. You know, you had all these guys like Luther and Calvin

kind of coming up trying to make sense of the Bible. They didn't have the Book of Enoch and things like this that clearly the New Testament writers had. You know, we did an episode in the night talking about Jude and all the weird stuff in Jude where Satan and Michael, the archangel, are fighting over the bones of Moses.

Yeah. Like, how do you make sense of that in the Middle Ages? Like, you just kind of pass over. Yeah, you just pass over. How do you make sense of it? But also, how do you, how do you apply it to your life? Why is that information valuable?

Where's something going on? Why do you even care about it? And so trying to understand what's the relevancy to you as a person, like that's tough. You see that. Well, you're trying to understand

that there's this cosmic war going on in the Bible. There's these two kingdoms at war with each other. Yeah. And if you read it, just like a rational, you know,

modern day human being goes to Walmart and comes home and watches Netflix, you're never going to... It's like it feels like a Harry Potter book. Yeah. It doesn't feel like anything that actually happened.

It's wild. It doesn't feel real. But I think what we're trying to... What we've discovered on our show is that the world's always been weird. It's always been blurry. It's always been Sasquatch in the woods. And there's always been this weird stuff happening around us. And now we have phones so we can take videos of UFOs.

But like Bob Lazare said on one of his interviews recently, I saw. Do you know Babazar is? He's the Area 51 guy right? Yeah, okay. One of the UFOs he was talking about was ancient. They dug it up. It was on an archaeological site. Confirmed.

Confirmed. Yeah. Like by non-theological people. Non-Christian people. Well, this is, yeah, this is government agencies. It has technology that's supposedly like Hollywood made and it's fake. And a lot of Christians think it's fake because they don't understand how to put that in their paradigm but it's ancient and then we we did an episode on famous UFO battle in

Nuremberg in the 1500s where it looks like you have UFOs fighting each other in the sky and everyone saw it and it was documented and there was a guy that painted painting of it and we interviewed Dr. Diana Pesolka and she got to go into the Vatican archives and she said there's this whole wing dedicated to UFOs I saw I brought that up yeah like you like they talk about like even like how old the pages are where it like deteriorates yeah like you touch it in the wrong way yeah it falls falls apart. Yeah.

Also, so the church has been documenting these things in the context of sort of miraculous happenings, but also contextualizing some of it more so in the later times now as these sort of paranormal UFO experiences. And they have a thousand years of in the Vatican library which you can't get into unless you're Catholic and you have special permission. They've been tracking this stuff. So yeah. I mean, it's your original question.

I think it's fascinating, right? There seems to be this ramping up and more and more things are happening. I think part of that is a project. of the fact that the nature of the connectedness of all of us right so we have the internet we have instant communication y'all are stars on TikTok and YouTube and all these things right of course we are big stars big stars but no I mean so you can have information you know travel instantaneously and everyone has a camera in their pocket right so I think that's part of it but I also think that

there is we are coming very close to to what the uphology community and what would most people would consider disclosure we have the House Oversight Committee at Congress doing hearings on UAPs and UFOs are forcing the three-letter agencies and the unpaid, unpaid, not unpaid, very well-paid, unelected portions of our government that are working not governed by the people in the sense of there was no oversight from the people because these people aren't elected that have been operating in keeping things from the American public. And I know there's this threat of, or this narrative out there that like, oh, the government is saying this, so we can't believe it.

And, I mean, Nate and I have contended since this came out in this year. This is really interesting timing for us to employ your creatures. We've been talking about UFOs and stuff. But this is not the government. In fact, these are whistleblowers that now have legal protection, mostly because of what happened to Ed Snowden. And now he's a... Set the president.

Yeah, he's a political asylumee in Russia because he disclosed the NSA was spying on all of us, right? And but now there's legal protections. And so we have people within our government that were parts of programs that are saying, I can legally protect it and I can share this now because these things are going on behind the scenes and the American public needs to know. And frankly, Congress doesn't know. That's why they're holding hearings. So this is not a narrative being pushed by the United States government. This is something that happens worldwide.

And in fact, we're getting closer to this disclosure, I believe. And so that's a long answer. But what I think is coming is, If there is disclosure, this is going to be something that, that especially people in the church and Christians are going to have a very hard time contextualizing, right, without really having a supernatural worldview of the Bible. Yeah.

Because the existence of extraterrestrials, and in fact, when we talk about angels, and by definition are not of earth, we are of earth. The sons of Adam, you know, we are of earth. Angels are not. Yeah. The sons of God stood and cheered when the earth was created. So by definition, they'd be extraterrestrials.

And this is kind of where our show goes in some ways is how do you contextualize all of this stuff from a biblical worldview? And I think that it's important to have these discussions like what will not happen today because if we don't consider this and have these conversations, you guys have great conversations about all kinds of really cool stuff, and I love that.

Dumb stuff, but that's fun stuff. But you need to have those, right? Discourse needs to exist around this stuff. Well, yeah, I mean, that's, we were talking about that on the way here of just like it's so cool to have a place to where, because you guys you started off just talking about Bigfoot right and it's it evolved into this whole not even world this whole universe and lyriverse dimensions and stuff like that and

and that's where that's the i feel like the path that we um might say unfortunately it started going down because it's a little all-consuming at times you know fortunately because like we started no it's cool like we like we didn't know where it would end up we just knew what we wanted to do and we love what we're passionate about and the whole idea is behind being a Christian is God fills you with a passion you follow that passion he uses it however he wants and so like this that's what this podcast has turned into it's funny it's yeah it's terrifying it's anxiety filling and it's also kind of just like warning us like hey may like this is a possibility what's happening in the future what is your response how will you react to that news and the podcast is free

too it's like this thing that It's like you can communicate with all kinds of people and you don't have any really middleman or any any any any anybody telling you know you can't say that message. And I think a lot of time in history we had had informational gatekeepers, people who kept the information from getting out. People who are like, no, you can't be you can't be saved. You need to come through us to get saved. You know, you have to, oh, you have to pay money to do that. And you know, we we've gotten good at that.

And one one thing I wanted to add to your question was like also, I think information age is one part of it, but I think what we've learned in the Bible is in the golden age, the original pre-flood society. You had these realms interacting. You had creatures from the heavenly realms here on earth with us. So the gods and all these other things were roaming and they were building these empires. And I think that all that stuff was true. I think it's been repackaged in every culture's, you know, sort of their preservation system. Methos.

Yeah. But the Golden Age, you know, the dudes who built the pyramids and all the things around the world, I think they were getting this knowledge from non-human sources. And so... Yes. Yeah. Yes. So the day...

That's what we've been talking about! The days of Noah, right, are realms and knowledge. And I think we're getting there again. So is the veil going to be pulled back and we're going to have all this weird stuff hanging out with us again? I think we're... if things work in cycles and ages, we're kind of coming to the end of an age and we're coming to a new one, I'm sure, yeah.

Yeah. That's just going to start roaming again. That's how you know these guys are season podcasters because you said to answer my question. I forgot my question. You finished it up and I'm just like, oh, yeah, that was my question. Dude, but I want to say this for all of the, like,

you know, midline conservative thinking evangelicals who might follow the show, C.S. Lewis, who is somebody that most of our audience probably respects, he did an essay called Religion and Rocketry. Have you guys read this or heard this? It's insane. It's his how theology in the church should view the discovery of extraterrestrials should they exist. And he does this entire argument. And basically he said the argument he gets most often is that people will say, well, Jesus came for us to save us. And he said, one, that's arrogant. to think we deserve it. So Jesus came because we are depraved. He's like, could it not be that our God created an expansive cosmos with other universes, and we are the only ones messed up enough to have fallen? And so he came to us to shepherd us.

And that's C.S. Lewis. He's just given hypotheticals. It's hypotheticals, but like intelligent dude. Yeah. He was just like, that's why I love about C.S. Lewis is just like how he came from like the mere Christianity, how we wrote about like basically, you can read mere Christianity as an atheist because he argues it

it's like I love that about him I'm just like thinking about A book is so dense man I'm listening to the thing Reading a page is like a book Oh dude you have to like any I don't even want to read I gotta go back And I got to go back and read this again

He put them many words in a sentence I listened to that essay And actually had to pause like every 20 seconds And then like process everything That he was just said And I mean I don't think we're even contending necessarily that I just think I think one of the things

That we got pushed into this journey really was you know we had dr michael heizer on in episode 34 and he wrote a book called the unseen realm we lost mike last year but he even a friend a friend of nat and i as a friend of the show and he was a biblical scholar ancient hebrew antrismetic languages he was an old testament guy and his whole contention was is that we that the old testament and the in the bible is written to an audience that was culturally not us as americans and not only that but living post enlightenment and in this academic era, you know, where we

empirically measure everything and we all this, it's very scientific in this sense. That wasn't the paradigm. In fact, they lived in a very real supernatural reality. And in some ways, in the West, we've divorced these things and forgotten that we had actually believe in a very supernatural faith. We have, you know, an immaculate conception and a virgin birth and a resurrected Christ, and then you go to the Old Testament,

there's all kinds of weird stuff. There's, you know, talking donkey and a, you know, you can go down a million different things, you know, Samuel being raised by the Witch of Endor, all these things that gloss, that we can easily, and there's 100 examples, but I think that paradigm in and of itself, understanding that we live in these worlds that overlap

in the sense of this, the heavens and the earth, that there's space within this context for these things that go bump in the night and exist, and even for conversations around extraterrestrials and the UFO phenomena, because listen, like, This stuff doesn't disqualify our faith. It doesn't sit outside of any fences.

God is infinite. And we know so little about what has been created in the heavenlies outside of our story, which is the Bible is a story of humanity, right? That these possibilities exist. And we get into this on our show. It's like the angelic race and angels traveling, and how do we figure that out?

And I think it would take a lot of these breadcrumbs and you connect a lot of dots and say, these are very plausible answers for what people are experiencing. It doesn't need to be Little Green Men from Mars or from the series system or the pleadees. It doesn't need to be that. Very well, I mean, you're not saying it's not that, but you're saying a lot of words that I don't know.

The simplest answer is usually the right answer. Correct. Is what they say. The simplest answer is like, well, it's very plain. We try to over-complicate it. And so it's just as a Christian, like it's hard to comprehend that these UFOs are anything but an animal creature.

Right. That like that doesn't exist. And so like. So yeah, that's a good, that's a good point, right? Like there's a, there's a very much a physical, a physicality. You watch a lot of sports. Because we're trying to make sense of it. Right.

Yeah, there's a lot of physicality to it, right? Because allegedly they crash and allegedly there's bodies. These are the reports, right? This is not just Luke making stuff up. This is what you can go through decades of these stories, releasing of these things crashing and them recovering things. So it's not a manifestation, if you will. It would be impossible to fake all those.

Right. And then the whole demon thing is really a broad brush people use in the church, right? It's just demon. Now it's demonic. There's probably a lot of this demonic in the sense of being evil. Yeah, sure. But a disembodied spirit, which is the definition of a demon, doesn't need to fly a plane or advanced aerospace vehicle. Yeah, as Tim's likes to say. Don't need to fly that. It doesn't make any sense. It's an disembodied spirit. Doesn't need to do that. We do get a lot of comments about whenever we talk about aliens and you have foes that like it's just demons. It's like, yeah.

For me now, I'm just like, I always said that I don't believe in aliens. I believe in angels and fallen angels. And for me, I've never, but like, I never had the concept of it being angels and demons until I met Josh. And so to me it's like, okay, so what's the, why isn't

it outside the realm of possibility that God created an animal that just became really intelligent? Or that created, like that are these aliens. Or, like, that's thing it's like that's like it's the or that's the possibility that's really swarms all of humanity well genesis six i yeah i was like you let me tell me i know you want to say something well i think i think when we brought on alley you you you had a connection with him on our

podcast he was trying to say that a lot of gnostic ideas have swept into the church that everything is spiritual yeah it doesn't exist and i think what his whole point was is think about it like Star Wars more. It's all physical. It's all happening here. You can touch these things. You can experience these things. Angels were kind of like us. And there are genetics mixed. And it created these giants. They created a lot of problems, actually. But, you know, their craft. They're being made somewhere. They're crashing. They're fighting each other. Angels get held up from one point to the next point in the scripture. You know, they have to move around. Or the angel wrestles with Jacob.

So you kind of can throw, you can throw the ethereal thing out, right? Because you go, like, you don't get a hip injury from wrestling with the spirit. No, it's a physical. And they walk into solid. Or they, right? But they have kind of like a Peter Pan view of heaven. It's like this imaginary place. It's out there somewhere.

It's easier to, we're really just living life here. But really, I think, yeah, like, the better way to look at is everything we do here echoes that kingdom. That's why we do have kings and queens and forever. Where do we get these concepts from? How do we do everything we do? Well, if you listen to the book of Enoch or read the book of Enoch, it's a lot of information that was given to humans,

and that's how we sort of learned how to corrupt ourselves. We didn't just make this stuff up. We weren't that creative. I think we are. Yeah. But it's more like imagine, you know, you could get on a, boat and sail to heaven right now and it would be a lot like this.

Yeah. It's just not here. It's just there and we're here. But there's not a lot of difference and it's so hard to comprehend. Yeah. It is. I have a question. What do you guys think the gray aliens are? That's a good question.

What do you mean great aliens? Like the typical like the the gray. The gray. I think he's a great. What are the great aliens like? Well, they're really over chief. Oh, they're better than the good ones.

They climb mountains. That's what they do. I mean, the grays, and that's a good question. So. Because that definitely started with, with Roswell, right? Yeah. The grays are usually like the short, skinny, your typical alien that you see. I mean, because the typical alien abduction involves that species.

Yeah. And it's hard for me to imagine those being fallen angels, you know, because it's just like. It talks about angels in general are they look like men. So I guess that's where I get a little. It could be some kind of, I mean, like I said earlier, we have two kingdoms, right? You have the kingdom of heaven and you have a hierarchy of creatures that God is, you know, in control of and is part of God's family. And then you have the kingdom of darkness. And we know that they pervert a lot of things and they corrupt a lot of things.

So, you know, we talked about a lot of the alternate history in our show that they've corrupted all kinds of animals. I think that was the biggest part of the flood story that I wasn't told, and most Christians weren't told, is that it's kind of like genetic lottery happening, and they were just making, they were inventing ways to sin. Like, let's take this thing and put it on this thing. Let's just eff this thing up as much as we can down here.

Yeah, I have an idea. Like hamsters. Yeah. Hamsters. Exactly. Those can't be made from God. They're weird. And toddlers.

No, it's like, the platypus. Yeah, the platypus. Is it a duck? We don't know. Is it a beaver? No one has any idea. But so the answer is a great question.

So we know, you know, that Satan in his kingdom of darkness is just good at screwing things up. So I'm sure they can come up with ways to take this, take that, and create this thing that could. It sounds like the grace from the people we've interviewed and all we can go off of is what we've heard on a show. They sort of carry out a task. They show up to do something.

They're not evil in the sense that they don't frighten people have to death. They're not scary. They don't say things. They're very calm. They're kind of cold to the touch. They're kind of like little machines. A little worker bee. Could you say that, like, again, we're making a bigger spider web here.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's just what we do. But do you think that this is. going to get crazy. Do you think that AI is this, in this artificial intelligence, is this,

because in the book of Enoch, it talks about the fallen angels presenting knowledge to man. Right. Could it be that of AI being? Could they use that as an instrument to manipulate humanity? And, or create this,

we sound like psychos. I don't care. No, we're asking questions. I know, but I'm like, you're good. But I believe this question. Could these fallen angels create machinery? Using AI.

And using AI, like an artificial intelligence to where cold to the touch, they don't have souls. They're just empty vessels. Empty vessels. I don't know. Those are, I mean, those are good. See, listen, all we can do is really have. I love this, right? Because what we try to do in our show is we try to have conversations around.

A lot of questions don't have a real answer at this point unless we get one and we dissect it or we get a craft and we you get to touch it. But the best we can try to do is postulize through our biblical worldview, right? And I think this discourse is so important. Like you want to talk about these things. Because the reality is, and I've said this on the show a lot of times, but if we don't have these discussions

as Christians and try to point this back to the scripture, then the world outside of Christianity, the world, if you will, is more than happy to disciple you and our kids and everyone else in their worldview. their worldview is going to be the antithesis of the Bible. It's going to be the antithesis of Christianity. They're going to tell you what they want you to believe. And so I think having conversations and discourse around this

and not just putting our heads in the sand and not just glossing over this verse because it's weird, but trying to understand it within the context of our faith is so important. And so when you talk about Greys, it's like, I don't know that we know the answer, but as Nate said, there's a bunch of encounters. There's 30 years, 40, 50 years of euphology, right?

People, their anecdotal stories and encounters. you can look at and go, there's something going on here, they're physical. People have touched them, right? Totally. And there's something weird. And going back to what you said in the beginning, right, angels are more like us in a lot of ways, right? But I think what I'd said before was like, there's just there's a plethora, right? Of perhaps of creation.

And then what Nate said, we know from Genesis 6 that it says all flesh was corrupted. And something we talk about in our show are like the cryptids, right? You have these things that are part human and part animal, right? It was this mixing, it was defilement of creation and DNA. So if that's happening in Gen 6, you know, thousands of years ago, then you look at the UFO abduction phenomenon where they're taking DNA. Yeah. You know, God is the one that can create, right?

But what people can do and humans do, and we would believe fallen angels and the darkness to do is to manipulate, right? And so taking these things that manipulate, so it's probably not a far fetch to say that this could be some sort of genetic, creative. creation or manipulation by the not creation but manipulation by the darkness or perhaps it's somehow

some one of these other super or could you say that fallen angels are just fallen angels that turn to emo just like honestly I don't want to get out in the sun yeah listen to the creed hey Scott Stapp a gray go stand out in the sun from the ball

that isn't even fine I think Scott Stap was kind of like he's like a rock emo he's like a rock emo he's like I don't think you can put emo anywhere emotional it's just with all

home and how now I'm saying me from the edge and I'm thinking about death yeah he's right there that's very emo

rock emo dude the best part is we know all the songs yeah you know you you do oh me now

dude so good so I think I think a part of this too is you have you have their technology and you have our technology a lot of times the goals are the same

I think they had technology to communicate to each other. A lot of these cryptic creatures can just talk directly to you telepathically. Well, that's what you see with all the introductions. Yeah. But we need phones. And it took us forever to get to that point. Yeah. Whereas like, did they have that from the get go?

Is that why we saw UFOs 100 years from now? Like, I mean, like, in the past. Yeah. Like, it was like, everything was exactly the same for them. We don't see technological advances happening for them and compared to us. Well, maybe they, maybe they are advancing their, their technology. Yeah. I mean, think about it this way.

I mean, we have Ford cars, and we get to drive our trucks, and they have their Ford cars, and they drive the trucks. They have their heaven wheat bread that they eat. We do, too. So you see these stories where it's like, man, our realms are very similar or overlapping, and the realms kind of touch each other sometimes. But the technology is there, and I think what they're making these things somewhere, and they're coming here.

And that's really hard for a lot of Christians. And I think that, you know, part of our podcast is just putting these things in practical terms. So you can understand them. So, like, when this stuff shows up, it's not all spiritual woo-woo. Yeah. I mean, a lot of Christians think that it's just all deception. I'm like, dude, do you think Tolkien was on to this? Like, that's what he was writing about with, like, the elves and, uh, orcs.

He's probably lifting straight from, like, weird histories of people. Oh, he's like ancient. Just a nerd? Well, the little people exist. Just a nerd, maybe? A hobbit. A hobbit. Well, I mean, he was, I mean, he...

A silly language. There's a ton of, like, biblical context, actually, because they were believers. But I think he was recreating this sort of depiction of what... I think the Golden Age was like that. Yeah. Of that, right? You have the darkness that's creating these orcs, right? Which are these...

Literally mixing the angel-like creatures with creatures. Yeah. All right. Yeah, if the Golden Age, I like this guy. You guys just started joking, and he was like, let's, let's roll with this. That's all I. They were doing the show. And we've said in the show a lot times that perhaps our reality is a lot more like Lord of the Rings than we imagine.

And Star Wars, too. And this is happening. And listen, like, I think what we try to do, too, is like, we aren't creating, we're not saying we have the answers. We're not creating some, like, new theology or anything like that at all. And in fact, we're trying to bring experts on our show to talk about their research. And we remind people that, like, it's best to, you know, chew the meat, spit out the bones, right? Because these are a lot of unanswerable things. Yeah.

And we try to contextualize it within our faith. Yeah. You know, do it with a grain of salt. But also, like, things are ramping up so quickly. Like, I don't think when Nate and I started this podcast in 2020, we could have imagined that in 2023 we would have have the UFO disclosure. I mean, mainstream media talking for months, and now they're onto wars, of course.

But months about this, this topic. And maybe the craziest thing is it hardly seemed to blip on the consciousness of the country, right? They're much rather fight with each other about other things. But this is happening. And it's going to become a point where we aren't able to ignore the realities of whatever this ends up ultimately being.

But I think our contention is, Ben, you can find this stuff, answers to this stuff, concepts and ways to postulate what is going on within our faith and within history. Like, you look at just the things that happen in the Bible, and I think all these things are within the realm of reality. And I don't think it's like, also I want to say this, I don't think we're just trying to stuff something into a Christian can and trying to make it fit either. Well, that's why I mean, we've had, I've had someone comment that before of like, well, yeah, if you believe in something so big that you can put it into one thing. Like, you can make everything connect if you want to. Right. And that's just, that just got me thinking.

I was talking to Andrew about today. It's just like, of having that discerning spirit, you know, of just being like, I mean, just be, yeah, discerning of just like, okay, yeah, that's actually a good point. You could take anything and everything. You could take something that is not real, like someone can make up something about. like, oh, the lot fits into this narrative. Right. You know? But I think that is very important to be very, I don't know, understanding.

I lost my train of thought. John says a test of spirits, right? Yeah, yeah. I think it's important that we, man, with everything in our lives, we use discernment. Like, that's paramount. But I think, too, when we're attempting to answer some of these questions that seem unanswerable and trying to take some of this phenomenon and say, how does this fit with the way I view the world?

I don't think, I would say, I don't think we're stretching, if that makes sense. I think it's, I think the problem with our, our paradigms is that we are, you know, we're living in here in the 21st century as Westerners. And a lot of this context exists, you're written to ancient Hebrews. And we've got to put ourselves into that paradigm when you do and realize, man, like, we have a supernatural faith. And we have a faith that talks about a lot of these things that exist outside of this realm of, in Earth. talk about. Then I think, man, this is going to all, there are a lot of dots that reconnected. Not in the crazy way like that meme with Charlie from, it's always sunny. But I feel like that sometimes, right? I mean, you're like, you're trying to, you want to, you want to connect

these things just even personally so you can say, how do I, how am I the best think about these things? And we have to also be okay with understanding we sometimes will never have the answer. 100%. We 100% will not have. That's super biblical. And we have to be content with that. And that's the difficult. We might be wrong. But the problem is, I think a lot of us have come up with bad answers to these complicated questions. Andy hasn't.

They're all solid. Really good answers. No, I mean, I don't speak up unless I have the broken answer. You know, like growing up and hearing about the flood. You know, the flood was just because, you know, you were just playing with yourself too much, you know, things like that. And that's why the God flooded the world. It's a weird enough. We were all just, we were all just lusting so much.

We were all just doing that. But it's like, no, no, no, the world, human beings almost were bred out of existence. Yeah. You know what I mean? We were told it was just, you were so sinful. And so God had to wipe it all out. And it's like, I mean, human beings were on the verge of extinction when you look at, when you look at it from this like 4D view. And then you start to be able to answer all these complicated questions that you had growing up.

Because the questions are there no matter what as a Christian. I've debated with guys all throughout college and within the band days, backsteads. stage with a lot of dudes who just didn't understand why we were a Christian man like how do believe in God because of this this this and this and this and they have no answers for these and in a lot of guys are like I don't know like I just do I guess you know I don't have a problem with that and but some but a lot of people do have problems with these major questions what the heck was going on at the Tower of Babel yeah Sodom and Gomorrah god just blows up the town what happened there yeah you know and there's just really like highlighted parts of the Bible that no one

knows how to make any sense of so you someone comes up to you so when seeing an UFO, seeing an alien, has these ideas that are so outside the Christian perspective, that don't have a Christian perspective at all, and are coming to you and saying, how do you make sense of that? How do you explain that to them in a short pitch of just like saying, like, I'm confused, how do you explain it to me? It's difficult. I think guys like Tim Albarino have come on our show instead of very,

very simply. It's not, you know, it's not this emotional thing that oftentimes is being presented to you in a church setting. I was doing drugs for 50 years and I had prostitutes and all this stuff. Then I came back to Jesus, you know. And that happens and people's lives are transformed and they stop participating in a lower lifestyle. And they start to desire a different way of living. And that is what a lot of people think the gospel is. But he would say, you know, the gospel is you were a part of the family of God, you were part of the royalty, and you were tricked and swindled and we sinned and we became in the lower state. We were, you know, creatures that were designed to be immortal and live in this paradise. Yeah.

And then we kind of chose to leave our family and live in the pig slop. It's a good. It was a prodigal son. Yeah. Yeah. And then, you know, the gospel is that you needed to be back. the family, so Christ comes and gives you his blood so you can come back to the family of God again. And it is very much like an act of sacrifice to reclaim us.

So I don't know exactly what happened in the Garden of Eden because there is a lot of like reality happening, but it's packaged in stories that sound like, did that really happen or I'm not sure exactly how much of it was reality versus how much of it was a practical like that? that's historical, accurate retelling of this story. But what does happen is we seem to be, there's some sort of genetic change. The sin of atom spread to every human. So we biologically changed, and we needed someone,

and it was the son of God who came down and reclaims us and gives us back to the family so we can be back in the family again. And that's the gospel in a very practical meaning. And sometimes, you know, you need to explain things to people and very much like, you know, you're kind of wandering around

clueless and we're, but we're all kind of made in the image of God too. So we're, we feel like we're lost often. Yeah. We feel like something's not right. We feel, so we try all these things in this world to kind of fill that void.

So there is this like social gospel that kind of continues. But the raw reality is it's, it does sound more like a Marvel movie. Yeah. And I'm lost just like a Marvel movie. You were talking about the... Halfway between, I'm like, what is happening?

I don't get this. You're talking about the Sunny in Philadelphia, the meme or whatever. I was listening to episode 190 with... Ali. Yeah. And then I watched this documentary, and I came home, and my mom was babysitting our girls. I'm like, Mom, listen to this. And I just started like, Fourth Dimension and all this stuff.

She's like, okay. All right. That's very good job. I'm like, I know I sound crazy. I know I do. And I was literally doing the hands. Looking back, I'm like, oh, man. I'm fine.

I'm not crazy. I could have presented that way different. Go sit down. Andy, Andy, to your point, too, I think what's interesting about this journey for Nate and I, because it really is a journey podcast. We start with Bigfoot, right? And then we really not, sometimes you don't feel like you're driving. Like, it feels like you're on the story arc that is continuing and it continues to line up,

which is really a crazy sort of thing to experience. Like, I don't know how we got here. we got here though right and what i think it's fascinating is that um we get a few emails every week for people that that have that had an experience and we start to realize these things are not so uncommon yeah it would have that we would probably classify as like a paranormal experience like something that isn't out of the ordinary right and a lot of these people think that it's come to the conclusion that they that wasn't compatible with christianity or their faith and or disqualified them or or disqualify their faith.

And I think at the end of the day, we're just trying to say it doesn't disqualify your faith. In fact, here's how you can contextualize it. And that's been really part of the crazy part of this journey for us is maybe understanding how you feel like these things are so isolated and these things happen are very rare occurrences. And we pick Bigfoot to talk about because it's the most encountered creature. It happens thousands and thousands of times.

scary dude right right but people are having things all the time sometimes and be maybe because of this western paradigm we live in that people don't know how to how to categorize or where to put that and that's been part of the cool part is like it all in our own journey is kind of an opening this space that says like man like god is so big and we live in this enormous reality that don't think we even realize and i think ancient people all believed in all of the stuff that we're for talking about. Yeah. I think they believed in their kingdom was the right one.

Their God was the right one. And they were all at war with each other. There was no like, we don't believe in anything. Yeah, yeah. We're just floating through life. What's now? You go to sub-Saharan Africa and you get sick, you go see the witch doctor, right? Because the doctor interacts with the spirits and these things, and they, and there's some power there.

Yeah. Right? And so I think that this supernatural paradigm exists now in tons of places on earth here, just really just really doesn't exist very to a large extent or to exist to a very small extent in the west, right? Because, you know, the stories of missionaries are my favorite where, you know, there's, we were kind of these stories about, um, we don't want you to tell us about your God here because we serve this God and this God's powerful. And for the story a number of times, but it always someone goes to something like this. Someone gets sick, goes to the witch doctor, it doesn't,

it doesn't heal the person. And they get on the phone or they send somebody. out, maybe not on the phone because it's the jungle. They call somebody, they send somebody out and say, hey, can your God fix this? And the missionary goes up and the person gets healed. And guess what? The entire village does? They say, oh, your God is more powerful than God we serve. We want to serve your God. And that doesn't, that paradigm doesn't really exist so much in the West. Because all these people are already believing all these things happen. There are our spirits and we serve this God and you serve a God and your God can your God do this? And that

I think is much more as Nate would say like what the ancients and how the ancients believe. There wasn't this like, there wasn't a bunch of people being like, you know, nihilists like the Big Lebowski, we believe in Nassin, you know? I don't think that was really a thing. I think you, everyone

served their God, right? And then, you know, Yahweh is the king of kings. He's dominion over all of these lower Elohim is the Hebrew and the Bible which is the same word we that Greek use for angels so you have these angels that are given you know dominion and we're not going to do a whole theological lesson here but then doodrome 32 all the nations get an Elohim that governs the all

rebel against the Yahweh and then you know he takes into Israel into himself but these are entities that then became you know the the lower G gods of the Old Testament they weren't people weren't worshipping rocks and stones and trees because they didn't get anything from it there's a real there was a power there because it was a real thing and I think sometimes we get separated and thinking like, oh, idolatry, you should have no other gods before me. That just means like I shouldn't really love football more than I love going to church, right? And those kind of things.

But the context of the Old Testament was like, no, they were serving real entities that were behind. They were getting something out of that. Yeah, 100%. People don't do that unless there's some of transaction happening. There has to be something that they're getting out of it. And so how do we, for people who do not believe anything in the Bible, any of God, How do we justify? How do you communicate to them that, like, how do you give them an explanation for aliens, an explanation for anything supernatural who doesn't believe in anything spiritual?

How do you justify that to them? And that's, I mean, that's really kind of, I think, what we do on the show, you know? It's like it requires a lot of dedicating your, you know. Being open-minded, obviously. Yeah, yeah. I mean, we start, that's why we start small. You start with something that's not small in the Sasquatch, but he's not a small being. But I'm just saying you start with this thing.

A small concept. Yes. And then you kind of work your way towards the bigger concepts. And if you follow our line of where we went, we started with this creature. Then we kind of work back to alternate history. There is this alternate history that we all kind of know about. You know, people look at the pyramids and they're like, okay, 20 million blocks. Each block's two tons.

Yeah. This thing's perfect. and it took them it would take them 20 years to build if they put one block down every five minutes how do they build this thing it doesn't make any sense

why do they build it and oh it's astronomically aligned oh this thing resonates this thing's got frequency wait a minute there's this technology here and there's a lot of people who are going to ancient aliens

and they're going to these UFO religions they're going to spiritual stuff they're going to burning men they're getting spiritual whatever. What's your answer for him? I just think it's cool with all that stuff of just like explaining it. I think God has definitely set out like very logical explanations. And that's why I love people like Graham Hancock and stuff who I don't, he's not a Christian. No, no. He gets all the way to the end and then he can't cross that last. He's going down this path of like what you've always been taught with history and like the way things are. That could not be the answer. You know, like there's, There's different explanations for this stuff. I'm like, you can take that. And I'm like, God's definitely laying out the foundation of like just different, I don't know, evidence.

Right. You know? I guess I'm trying to say is not believing in anything spiritual is kind of a luxury. Sure. It's not how it's been historically. It's not how it's going to be. And we know in the end it's going to be a one-world religion. I think so.

and I think everything's moving towards that. The sheep are being corralled. And having this like, I don't believe in anything, is a luxury. So you can be there right now, but this stuff's going to start showing up and it's manifesting and it's coming. And we've been so conditioned in this paradigm for so long that we evolved over billions of years and nothing's spiritual and everything's just ones and zeros. And it's not, it's kind of just a luxury time in life to believe that. What is that one world system government look like to you? Like what is that?

You're getting into revelation. We're going there. Quickly, how would you do, how does that look like? Well, it's just control and domination. I think Satan offers codependency. You always need. It's a needy system. And I think God offers independence and freedom.

Do you think human beings would go for that? Oh, yeah. We already have. I mean, look at the last few years. Get in line. Shut your business down. Taxes. Well, I was saying Americans, like,

They obviously fall in line with the U.S. government, but to follow a full world government, how would that look like? Morally. Morally. You will be morally tricked into it because it's a kingdom. They both have their moralities. It's a twisted gospel versus the real gospel. If you're not for this, then you're against this. You hate people.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You hate people. You said Reagan. Do you remember his quote? Yeah, from you in. Yeah. I think this is, I think if you're going to have a hypothesis of how this is, you know, I have a hypothesis of how this is. happens, right? Because one world is, it seems like an impossibility. What we have going on in

the Middle East right now, somehow you have to have Arabs and Jews get along, and Chechens and Russians, and Sunni and Shia, Muslims. Americans and Canadians. That's it. Yeah, they just stop apologizing, right? I mean, but Floridians and the rest of the states. Florida man and Tennessee man. Florida man. Reagan said it in 87. I might have the wrong date, but it's 80s. He was at the UN and said, And basically, perhaps what we need to, not I'm paraphrase this, to unite the world would be something, an existential crisis, maybe something on the measure of an alien invasion.

And this is the movies, right? This is like Independence Day and everything else. But you start to think about this. And you go, the way that things have been, we've been conditioned really in media and everything else that's been going on since the 50s, 40s, 50s really, you start to see that you can pull some of these threads and you go, perhaps this is what it is,

is what it is because I think we that we as a humanity we lay down our swords if it comes to our own extinction. I think we lay down those those ancient wars with each other because there's something that's threatening the annihilation of a Saul. And I do believe there's a very good argument to say that somehow what we see in the end of days, and if you're Christians you look at the book of Revelation,

you know, how does this, how does the world go to war, right? with God essentially. And there's been a very good guess on our show that have postulated that this is an alien invasion. There'll be this. If you hear it, if you listen for it, you'll hear it. There is a narrative out there.

It's all the ancient aliens narrative. There's this narrative, and people will repeat this, people all over the map will repeat this and say, the aliens are already here, and they've been here, and they're going to step in to make sure we don't destroy ourselves, right? So there's this idea of this benevolent... Like they showed up when we did the first mute test. alien thing too but it's like this they're they're here already right and they're here to help us

right okay so from all of our social problems yeah right care a lot about yeah so i solve all very very sure global warming gender right right they care all about this guys so i i think that there's there's a pretty there's a pretty good scenario you can create and and and hypothesize where there then's this impending alien invasion by the hostile aliens right so the good aliens come it sounds so so crazy even say I'm like, but this is kind of... I was literally talking about this with my mom. Right. So they come in there, and they basically unite us and then help save us from this from this impending doom, right? And it's something that's repeated itself in history, right? It's like a Tower of Babel moment. Yes. Where everyone can speak the same language. And we all have

to you a common enemy and we need to unite to defeat the God of the Bible. And so I think what Satan's going to sell people on is like, you want your own, you want to do whatever you want to do. F God. We don't need God. We don't need those people who are listening to him. We can fight against him. You can think about the world coming together, like a example would be like when the,

I don't know if you can say it without getting flagged, but the Rona, when the Rona broke out in 2020, you know, like everyone in the world reacted to that, you know, like whether, whatever. I don't want to get into all that. But like, we took their word for it. We saw like a.

Everybody fell in line. Yeah. Everybody fell in line. Well, everyone didn't want to go home for Christmas because they didn't want to kill their grandma. Yeah. It was a moral thing. It comes down because it becomes a trust thing. It's like, oh, they have their, we have, they have our best interest in mind. But think of that on a, like an intergalactic level.

Yeah. You know? Like a spiritual level. Like, everyone just be like, huh. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Almost as if, like, God comes out of the heavens and Satan comes out of the heavens and they're both, like, talking to you.

And you're like, this whole reality opens. up and you're like you clearly have to pick a side. You know what I mean? It's like if you just lived in the woods for, I feel like human humanity right now. It's like we're all been kind of living in the woods for the last thousand years

and then we're going to come back to a city and we're going to be like, oh my, what is going on? I think there's just been this whole sort of unseen realm around us for so long. I think a lot of people are going to wake up to it. And choose the right decision or you die. Like that's

the type of thing where it's like we're gonna get the point where someone's gonna have to make this yeah make these decisions make the decision you make the wrong one you're done your life is done unfortunately yeah it's so scary dude and it was i mean the end the book of revelation talks about this great delusion and this great deception that happens and it's it if that's sure this could happen a lot of you know there's other scenarios of this could happen but this seems like pretty plausible based upon social conditioning we're seeing whether in media out of hollywood out of what's happening with mass media now picking a big in a lot of this stuff up i think some of it's legit like in the sense of like there are real whistleblowers talking about real stuff happening but

i think the lid's starting to come off and perhaps we're in a timeline where this lid does come off and this is the next step in the scenario where now we have an existential crisis for humanity and i personally this is just this is all my opinion right but i it's hard for me to figure out how this happens like how you get those people that really hate each other and hate each other for millennia will say hey let's you know let's be pals let's be bros and let's fight this fight off these bad guys, right? Just repeating themes. There's all these themes. So there are hybrids

in the golden age. Any hybrids probably then common enemy, fighting wars. I think you know that. You kind of just see the themes kind of coming back. So I think you can kind of think, okay, it's going to be everyone's together. Everyone has a common goal.

They have to unite. We have to go to war over something. And we can all put ourselves in the hive mind so we can come together. So I think if you were going to wage a war against God, you would need everything you possibly could aimed at him. Every human, hybrid weapon, whatever. And I think that's kind of what Satan's going to try to play it. I think the Armageddon is something that's going to happen. A kinetic war with God. I think it's bonkers that people just believe that like we're just existing.

They're like that there's not something at work. It's not a purpose. Even if even if you truly believe that there's no God, whatever, and you're just living your own life, the fact that you don't think your government is a business, and they're not working whatever they do to stay in control to be number one, they don't care about you at all. And so it's just one of those things where it's like, you have to make those decisions for yourself. You have to start, I don't know, like it's just, you have to be aware.

If we weren't on a list before, we are now. Absolutely. Listen, I mean, number one, baby. I'll be number one. You know, the last three years, I think it have been a master of for a lot of people that didn't see the shell game really, right? It's if you didn't wake up in 2020, I think there's probably not a lot of hope that you do. Because I think there's a lot of exposure into what was going on and to what intentions were.

I think even before that, a lot of folks, probably me included, were just like, oh yeah, of course these people in power have the best intentions for us, right? They're mostly good people. There's always bad apples and mostly good people. but I think you know listen we are in a world of war like this is this is an ancient war

that we're part that hasn't never isn't ended yet God's written the end we know how it ends but we're somewhere in the middle of this thing maybe middle end depending on what your eschatology is of course yeah yeah but well I guess that's why I wanted to like lead to ultimately

because there's probably a lot of people listening or watching that are like completely freaked out right now And also like, sorry about that, what are we talking about here? To go back to your Lord of... Why are you talking about farting and stuff? To go back to that. Why am I not laughing right now?

To go back to your Lord of the Rings, you know, kind of... Remember the point when the rings and some things that shouldn't have been forgotten were lost. Yeah. And I think that's kind of where we've been the last... That's a great line. Because, like, there's this ancient war, and then there's this time where things were kind of calm. But the evil was still kind of in the background resonating. And now I think it's kind of coming back.

So these things are coming out of wherever. I mean, we're getting phone calls last night with Tim Alberina with some crazy stuff happened in the Peru jungle. We're about to do an episode on that. About the face peelers? Yes. Directly about the face peelers. I know you've talked about it before.

But, like, it's just, dude, it's wild what's happened. That was our introduction to you guys. I was talking about the face peelers. Okay. Yeah. So he's coming on talking about the girl, the whole story of her. her, them trying to take her face. And we're gonna, he's gonna drop that.

Dude, that's why. And then everybody, like, so they, she tells information about that whole whole. Yeah, which he just went to the village where it happened, and talked to him. That and a bunch of other people that had encounters with these things. With these things.

See, all this stuff sounds so far-fetched and thinking one day we'll get there sounds like this thing that churches can't accept. But like, you go back to Pharaoh and like Moses is literally battling magic. Yeah. the magicians. They're led through the desert by a pillar of fire. It's like this stuff happened biblically. Not only that, but like the Yahweh pronounced judgment upon the gods of Israel. Yeah, yeah. Which by nature of the text, it recognizes there was there real entities that had power and gave power to the priests and magicians in order to do a few things.

Not what our God, the king of kings, Lord of Lords can do, but there's some power there, right? And I think that you're right like we we sometimes we kind of turns into a coloring book and say oh yeah yeah did this this this we'll skip over the angel of death um and we'll get to the end and the people get out and then cross the red sea and all this and you go man there was like dude there was things that were happening that were i mean very if you will supernatural a lot of people are a lot of some guests on our show don't like that term um and that's maybe you had a question earlier and i was going to say i think the one thing it's someone approaches you and believes in nothing about all any of this i i think as Nate said, you've got to start small, but I think you've also got to kind of break down semantics, right?

Because I think you can look at the biblical text and talk about angels wrestling, angels walking, the physicality of that. And so if you've had, if you're having trouble with this all being ethereal and spiritual, I can't buy into that because you can go, let's point out the physicality of how this exists in the scripture in these stories. And then I think you can draw very straight linear lines to some of things that are happening today that we would think they're unexplainable or are, or are, being disclosed and say, you know, perhaps they're, this is, this is the best explanation. And it is for us. Yeah. And again, I don't want to get, and Josh, you said, I don't ever want to feel like,

and I don't think Nate and I do this, but I don't ever want to feel like what we're doing is trying, again, to take all these things and stuff them into a Christian box and say, this is how we make it makes sense. I think it's quite the opposite. I think we put everything on the table and say, because really to our own audience, the evangelical Christians of America, we sound psycho. You know? So it's like, we're not, we're not even,

it's, their Christian box is not our Christian box. You know what I'm saying? Right. Like, it's like, for me, it's just like,

I love hearing from like the secular view, you know, like, like interviews with like Native American stuff that don't believe in Christ and like, them literally describing giants and like the star people coming down. It's just like that literally correlates. Yes. With all this stuff.

It's not like, yeah. I have this information that I've read from this literary source. And now it's like something completely. completely different. It's lining up completely. How awesome is that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. All the story is the same. All the cultural histories are the same.

They all talk about the flood. They all talk about these entities showing up. They all have, it's just who do they put on top? Yeah. And that's really the debate that's been raging on since the beginning of time is who's on top of all of this. Who runs the show?

Yeah. Have you guys ever seen where Moses parts the Red Sea, the name of the mountain across or like it's like an island mountain it's across the body of water it's named after the god of thunder and so like in their original language literally God leads Moses

to a place in the wilderness and he's like I am jealous of the attention their God their thing is getting so I'm going to take you all to his throne and I'm going to show whose power reign supreme it's like Jesus going to Caesar of Philippi and saying the gates of hell

real place to the base of Mount Hermann in real place. According to the Genesis 6 epic, this is where the watchers arrived and saying on this rock. It's not Peter. It's on this rock. It's like a cave to the underworld. He's like, this place is mine. Well, mine. I have dominion here. Yeah, the temple of Pan was supposedly built there. And it's literally the back of it is like this cave that goes down into the underworld. And they also have the temple to Zeus there, which had the type of Satan. Yeah. What is called, which is now in the British Museum. And that's where Jesus was saying, no, this is my place. Yeah. This is mine. I'm going to build my church right here. At the British Museum. needs a hell, bro. Tom Petty. I think that's the kind of context. Convicting, isn't it? I just like the context, right?

Because I think in all these conversations, right, I think, we get heavy. Well, they're so important, I think, to understand the world around us and the things that are happening, especially as Christians. But I don't ever want, these things never trump the gospel. And that's the reality. That's why I wanted to get to before we wrap up, because we're going to continue this conversation on our half episode on Patreon. Patreon.com 4 slash Nidgers or Butterflies. So go, we're going to continue this conversation.

But I just like to wrap this up because we're all in this mindset. I know this of like we get stoked on these conversations. Yeah. Yeah. But for people like my wife and my mom, they're just like, it's so heavy. You know, like.

No, that's for me too. It was like, I don't know what to do with this information. How do I apply this to my life? How do I feel happy? happy after this. So continue with what you were saying because I feel like that's the bridge of like lifting this heaviness. We're just where we try to take people and be like these conversations are I think we believe paramount for Christians and for the church, you know, broad brush church to have because these these things are happening to people. As I said, these people are having experiences

and we hear from a lot of these people right. And then also we have this macro narrative that's going on with oversight committees and potential disclosure and all these talks about UFOs and aliens that are existing in the mainstream now, right? So what are we to do with that as the church, right? So these are very important conversations. And I think, if anything, we should go back to our Bibles, is this is the place is the foundation of our faith. And I think this, I mean, I think there's ways that this can provide context and richness

to the text, especially when you read it from a supernatural worldview. And I think that's a lot of what Dr. Michael Heiser is trying to do in the Unseen Realm. And that's a great book. It's a lot like mere Christianity. You're going to have to read each page three or four times because it's so dense. But it's such great historical context on what the scripture is saying, who it's saying it to, and who it's written to, and how we're meant to read that as 21st century Americans, right? All of that being said, nothing trumps the gospel in the message of Christ and what he did. And if anything, I think understanding a supernatural worldview makes something that is the most incredible thing that has ever, ever happened in the history of history, even make more sense in him claiming dominion over the powers that essentially tried to claim us as sons and daughters of Adam out of the family of God.

And I can't say enough that, like, Nate and I's hope in all of this is to point people back to the scripture and back to Christ. Like that that is that is it and and I think that is our hope right that there's so the dark can be so dark and if Ephesians is is you know says that we're not to to participate in the in the in the things or the acts of darkness but instead expose them as soon as I feel like that maybe is our mantra sometimes is like yeah we're not going to we want to expose these things for what they are not participate in them but also if we're to if we're to be followers of Jesus and and follow in the footsteps of Christ, I think we do ourselves a disservice not to have conversations around things that are happening in the context of the Bible and also the work of Jesus Christ. And that's our hope, man.

I think that's the end, right? We can maybe be going through all this really crazy darkness, and the last three years have been wild, right? But our hope is always that the end is written. And I don't think any of us, I think there's sometimes this American ideal, too, that, like, follow God and all your things are going to you're going to get bigger house and you get that paycheck and you made a great video about the mega

the mega church pastor. Talking about the biggest house in Louisiana, all these funny things, right? But there's this underlying sometimes subversive narrative that things are going to get amazing and we're all going to get the things we want, but Jesus never said that. So things are going to be hard if we follow it him. But ultimately, and I'm

getting there with his analogy, ultimately the hope is in him. And the hope is that we get to spend eternity with him and that he is, he is won and the end is written, right? And so I think if we look at all this, reminding ourselves the book end of that, that Christ is already won and that we are,

as sons and daughters in the kingdom, we are participating in that victory, that the darkness is not going to triumph. But I do believe that we would undersell ourselves not to talk about these things because every last person matters to God. And if somebody has an experience things that disqualifies them from the kingdom of the family of God, or saying that's not true. In fact, there are answers for you. There are answers for you in the scripture and in the Bible. And you are loved and you are

desired by your father in heaven. And all this stuff, you know, doesn't disqualify our faith. And I think that's, you have to keep going back. I mean, that's the hope. You have to keep going back. I mean, that's the hope. You have to keep going back to this because the dark gets real dark. Especially, you know, Nate and I, and we sit through interviews talking about, like, you know, satanic ritual abuse, people that have coming out of this, and you're like, you're weeping because we have kids and these is having the kids and this stuff is a reality. Yeah.

People don't want to talk about that because guess what? It's super uncomfortable and it's not fun to talk about. Yeah. And it's so dark. All you just leave feeling like you're carrying stuff, right? Right. Yeah. But we're meant to.

But someone has to talk about it. I think every great film, you know, I would say, every great film has that moment where your character's just gone through all this crap and I think everyone is the Russell Crow in this story right and the gladiator like you're up against you're up against hell you're gonna do something about it

you're gonna fight you're gonna fight back I think a lot of times you know human beings is just I'm just gonna lay back and not do anything because I don't know I'm overwhelmed yeah like you didn't really choose to be born into a war you are born into war sorry reality check that's just how it is you can do something about it.

You can fight or get shot. You can get fired or get shot. You can carry the fire. You know, you can put the Holy Spirit in your body and carry it. Choose to fight back. In the darkest places of this world and do something. And when you have that humility, I think God shows up and some miraculous things will happen to because he needs us to carry the flame.

And it's like that analogy. Just one light on the hill, man. Everyone can see it. Dude, you can be Gandalf. Nice. I'm already there, dude. You shall not. But, you know, it's like, it's not, you know, we don't leave people feeling depressed and miserable. It's like this, there's hope.

Yeah. But you gotta know what you're born into first before you can do anything about it. Yeah. And there's so much with it, dude. There's so much. And there's Bigfoot just chilling. Dude, and Bigfoot's like, what are you all worried about that? Well, I mean, sometimes that's why we got to come out of all these things. And you're like, we need to have just a good old fashioned Bigfoot episode because. huge rush through some of the some of the mud and the mud. That's literally Ninja's Butterflies 99%

of the time. It's like, here's all of these really crazy things. And let's not care about them. Let's all just burn alive. Let's not a big deal, dude. Well, that, I think we did a break a record for the longest podcast. And that was awesome. The heaviest and most intense

podcast possibly. I love it. No. If you guys still listen, if you all are still listening, thank you so much. I'm sure We all need therapy just like us and need to process everything that we've learned because there's... But go... Yeah, just go to blurry creatures, listen to their stuff. Because we can never figure out all of their stuff, all your guys' expertise and all this stuff within one episode.

So we're going to have to bring you guys back eventually. We'll have to do a part two. We have to.