Blurry Creatures - EP: 236 The Ghost Children with Zach Bell

Episode Date: May 8, 2024

Join veteran Zach Bell from the After Action podcast on a captivating journey into the supernatural as he shares chilling paranormal encounters from military veterans. From eerie encounters on the battlefield to unexplained phenomena in military bases, this delves deep into the uncharted territories where the worlds of military service and the paranormal collide. Support the show! www.blurrycreatures.com/members Opening Track: The Midnight Socials instagram.com/blurrycreatures facebook.com/blurrycreatures twitter.com/blurrycreatures Music Kyle Monroe: tinytaperoom.com Outro Song: TimeCop1983: timecop1983.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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We've got a book coming out. We've got a conference. We've got shows. Man, it's getting crazy. How are you holding up, Luke? Thanks for throwing the ball this way. Good. Doing good.

Feel it all right? It's an exciting time, right? I mean, we've got... How's your British Bulldog doing? or your uh british bulldog was a wrestler from the 80s so that's a pretty good reference but my french bulldog karl french bulldog this name's carlweathers and if you're not familiar with the story carweather's the actor passed this year so r-i p but carwether's the french bulldog he carries on carries the mantle he's doing he's doing all right he's doing all right of course uh carwellers was in rocky and also

predator so some very classic movies but yeah it's a very exciting time in the blue universe so so grateful for you guys to join us as you know we announce announced our conference, the second conference for this fall, and those tickets have sold out. It's going to be an amazing time with a great lineup of guests. We're doing two days for the first time, Nate. If you missed out on that, we just announced this week another event. This summer, Nashville, Tennessee, at the Fisher Center at Belmont University. We are doing the first of its kind.

Squachella. Squatcella. That's right. If you're used to music festivals and you like the lineup, You get that music festival fly. You're like, oh, man, look at all these great bands. We're doing the same thing, but it's going to be the professionals. It's going to be ninjas or butterflies, expanded perspectives, and us, blurry creatures, along

with some special guests. We've got a couple ideas for special guests. And this week's episode was Zach Bell. Zach's going to kick it off. Veteran with the Sign podcast. He's going to kick off Squachella. We actually had an episode with him that we recorded a couple months back. Yeah, Zach's got a new podcast called the After Action podcast.

he's a good friend. If you haven't listened to his previous episode, Zach is a veteran. He has a big Instagram following an account called a veteran with a sign where he holds up signs. He's a big advocate for veteran mental health and prevention of veteran suicides

is one of his big causes. But he's a great guy who spent some time in Afghanistan told us all about the things he saw and heard out there, including rumors of the Candidharth Giant and his own UFO story at a forward operating base. So he's coming back.

Good friend of the show. great guy going to be with us at squachella telling paranormal military stories and excited to have Zach back in in the blue reverse if you haven't checked out his page or his podcast go check it out you'll be disappointed so these tickets go on sale for members tomorrow may 8th wednesday morning central time 10 a m if you are a member of the show you will get emailed a link so this is coming out tonight you're one of those people listens to the podcast right when it hits the your uh your rssss feed you want to become a member and go to the blurricutures dot com slash members. You will get first access to tickets. There's four plus podcasts on this show. It's going to

sell out quick. And it is at one of the best venues in Tennessee, perhaps the South. This venue is impeccable, the Fisher Center. Nay, the South. I was to say. I think so. It's a beautiful space. It's going to be an awesome day. Like you said, like a music festival, except you're going to see unique podcast episodes, ones you haven't heard from your favorite paranormal, Bigfoot, high strangeness podcasts like we mentioned before. Just like you like it. So, you like you, you're used to the listening to this podcast. It's going to be just like you're used to, but on stage with everyone there. And you can yell at them.

You can throw bananas. You can do whatever you want. You might get escorted out. We don't know. But maybe Squatch will be there. Maybe Luke will be there. I think not a maybe. I'll be there.

No, like wearing some sort of costume, you know. Okay. He likes to dress up. So we don't have no idea. That's true. What are you going to wear, Luke? Guilty. We'll seize it.

So you got to see. You got to come to believe there is a VIP ticket. You can hang out with all the podcast back. backstage and it's like a theater you can pick your uh you can be in the nosebleed so you can come down up front and you can sit right in the in the splash zone right like galliger Luke might get a mallet and hit a watermelon we don't know we have no idea what's going to happen anything's possible so squachella dot com on friday if you are just a normal person you want to get tickets you can go to squachella dot com this friday get those tickets but obviously you know wednesday it hits

the feed for members if you want to secure an awesome seat early. Thank you guys and enjoy this episode with Zach. We'll see you out in the blurry verse. Or the bones on. The history of our earth is so different from what we can imagine. The Smithsonian that if they found out about a large skeleton somewhere was to go get it. I'm going to assume at least one person is right because if one person's right to bust the paradigm,

it all goes back to the fallen chair. And the problem with the modern day church, they have a very truncated view of the supernatural. This backdrop that's just pregnant with all kinds of meaning associated with this Mount Hermann event. And this guy defects from the kingdom. That's a big deal. All right, Luke, we got our pal, Zach Bell, veteran with a sign. Who has a fresh new project after action? There's a lot of military stories who talked to our buddy originally, Tales from the Grid Square.

and he gets him sent in daily. He's probably, he's got books of stories from the military. So, Zach, we've had, I think, a dozen or so vets on the show or people who've been on the Nimitz when the UFO Tick-Tac was recorded to guys filming these giants in Afghanistan with Thurms. I love the military stories personally because there's a lot of credibility. And a lot of you guys don't want to talk about this stuff. You don't want to talk about the blurry things you've experienced.

And when you do talk about it, my ears perk up. I'm like, we've got to pay attention to this because you guys know things. and you've seen things and you guys talk to each other. So appreciate you willing to come back on blurry creatures and talk about some of these blurry military stories. Zach, welcome back. If you didn't listen to Zach's first episode, go check it out. We talked about the Canter Har Giant.

Yeah. And then when Zach was deployed to Afghanistan, he actually had a pretty wild UFO experience. It's also on that episode. So Zach's a good friend in the real world, also a friend of the show. Of course, the veteran of the sign, as Nate said, and then he's got a brand new podcast that he's got out.

But welcome back, Zach. I know you've got more blurriness for us, and we're excited to have you back on the show. Dude, I'm super excited to be here. I've done a lot of things in my life. I'm blessed. But, you know, getting blurry, it's the number one thing that people have messaged me about, in person talk to me about it, like anything. Dude, the blurry gang is strong. They need more signs.

Need more veteran signs is what we need. But you were saying in our pre-roll, Zach, that you, that you, after the, show you end up having some buddies reach back out and you actually were you had another story that you were reminded of and would love to dive into that and then we're going to get into some of the secrets secret places here in the states where some military things have been going on and then also perhaps some of the more haunted places on the planet if you if you use that term are on military basis so Zachary Bell great to have you back on the show that's three intros for you Zach, I hope you feel low.

It's, three intros. Yeah, no, it's good. Again, two shows, three intros. Two shows, three intros. Again, I can't thank y'all enough and, you know, and appreciate you guys let me on here talk about all this stuff. And, you know, it's what, it is what motivated me to do my podcast, the after action podcast. But yeah, and we'll get into that stuff because you guys tell stories in a way that, like, really turn me on. Luke is the one who, like, we, yeah, it was after we all sat down for lunch.

I don't want to say the place because y'all's reach us. scary. I don't want our place to get, to get like swarmed. But our lunch bot, he's like, you should do it. And I was all right, yeah, I'm going to like really look into it. So I can't think you guys enough. But again, the effects of it were. So the giant and Kandahar story, I had heard that my friends and I from the locals in 2008. Now, Afghans in particular are very, very superstitious people. And rightly so, like you were saying, Luke, it's a wild, change, unterrormed place. And I'm convinced that when it all comes to an end, it'll still be the exact same way. It is a wild, unforgiving, beautiful, dangerous place to live. And, like,

things are just that way. So when you hear they're talking about, like, vampires or, like, weird stuff, like, whatever, they don't know what our NVGs are. They don't know anything. But they had told that story. And it wasn't until I heard, you know, many years later that, like, something that I thought was local folklore was just common knowledge there is something that happened to other people. So after we did the episode, one of my good friends who was there with me when the pyramid structure, a camera board it's called now, was certainly in our place. He reminded about a very similar incident, a different incident that had happened on our first tour in 2008. So in March of 2008, we were in a town called Garmsor, Afghanistan, and it was.

It's in Helman province. And Helman's kind of mostly the same. There's not really a lot of hills and stuff, especially that part where we're in the south. It's flat because most of it's agricultural. So they're harvesting mainly poppy for opium. You know, they have other things too, but that's mainly it. We were just landing, and at that time,

no one had been there for years. I don't think anyone had actually been there for decades, but people have been Afghanistan, but not that part of it in particular. And like we were like, do it. So what happens is like you land in a place and then like the objective is to like clear, hold and build. That was the strategy we were using at that time in the global war and terror was like

we would land in a town, clear it of any enemy that we could find and we would hold as we set up different positions. And then you rearrange the battle space like alpha company goes here, Bravo company goes there, so forth and so on. And then you build, you like literally rebuild it. and then you build connections with the local populace as to try and, you know, in the hearts and lines. So that was what we were doing.

So, like, the first month of the mission, you're just, like, walking around everywhere. And you would see, like, crazy stuff. You'd see, you know, like, he'd be in the middle of nowhere and then, like, the world would just end. It was just flat. And then one of these trips we got out there were, like, on the limit of our area of operations, we had just met with this dude who, like, came out and he was missing. seeing like most of the fingers on both of his hands.

And he was like, I'm not scared to you. I used to kill Russia. This was before you were even born. Like, that's what he was saying to us. So I was like, whoa, this place is wild, right? I had no idea. But we were holding this place we called the Alamo for a while. And it was, it was gnarly.

It was gnarly. Like, we were there. We had an element of like 12, that's like eight people. Yeah, like eight people. And we should have like 30. and we did not have at many. And so we were, my rifle squad of eight people was moved there as we rearranged the battle space. Like, my platoon was going to take like this area of operations.

But in the meantime, we had to like go there. Someone backfilled us and like replace them. And we were going to move to a different spot. And so we just go there and like we spend this whole day there in like a very, very chaotic firefight. Like 24 hours of like consecutive. Just nightmare stuff. It was crazy. I was even on a wall we were shooting from,

and this guy, like, kicked open this door. He kicks open his door, and he, like, steps out, and he pops an RPG at us. And I was just like, whoa. And so anything that's shot, the projectile has, like, an arc to it, anything, like, as you see it. And so, like, as he's shooting, like, straight at us. I remember it swung out as I was looking at it,

like, to his left to my right. And I was like, whoa. the trajectory is like, it's just like the movies. It left like a smoke tree. And it hit like right in front of me and my squad later like blew us back. And again, they built these walls of dirt since the dawn of time.

We didn't know how strong they were, but thankfully it was, but we got blown back and I got knocked out for a little bit and I just woke up and we just kept going. But we needed to hold in that position for a significant amount of time. And that's why it was called the Alamo, because it was, we have like one wall.

of protection and then no cover in the back. So the cover in the back was just guys holding security. So they could essentially walk up on a Thanksgiving moment. And we held that for 24 hours, almost over that. Well, we're there. We're holding. We engage a guy at the RPG and stuff and like rotating. So like when you're that tired, obviously the main concern is fatigue, right?

and it's you want to stay sharp, not mess up anything. So during the day, we would hold post, which is just, you know, like, it was like on a wall, just like looking. And they were literally right there in front of us. They couldn't have been more than, you know, a football field's late. Actually, about a football field's late from us, you know, end zone to end zone. And we're just like looking at them. They're looking at us.

And whenever they come out, we shoot at them, blah, blah, blah. And we're just like holding this spot for like what, seems like forever. Well, you do like four hour shifts during the day and then three and then two. Well, at night, we're rotating every hour, right? You're not getting sleep, but you're sharp. You know what I mean? Because it's too risky to do anything. In this scenario, it was too risky to put people down for two hours and then wake them up or three or four or whatever. So we're like rotating through and you're just kind of sitting there with your friend. You're like looking and it's late in the night and usually they don't move at night to engage us because they know

that we have optics and they can see pretty well the tower man and stuff because there there's no noise or light pollution so it's just the moon gets out they can see pretty well but even still just usually they don't risk it it's just we have the advantage right we have we have the advantage there's no real point in doing it and honestly it's a lot of times that's when farmers are doing a lot of their like movements of like moving cattle and stuff. Not cattle, moving like goats or sheep or whatever, they got to move their livestock. So because it's so sweltering hot, they'll wait till night and, like, see like 40 goats

walking down the road, which, you know, we ended up using as a way to, like, clear routes for IEDs as we would. We would send, I mean, hey, you got 100 goats times four. If there's something there, they're going to hit it. So she would make them walk in front of us every on and, but, and nothing ever happened. because they honestly don't want to hurt the relationship with the local populace. So me and my friend were there, we're holding the Alamo, and there's this field and it's got some type of grain or something right there because I remember it was tall. And like we're looking, and the main things you're focused on is like your avenues of approach, which are you can see in the field where they would walk into the field.

You can see where the road was that ran parallel to the right and left of it and just like access points. And we're just hanging out, very old very. and then all of a sudden stuff starts happening. Not like a little bit of stuff. Now, I can't stress the importance of how unnaturally scary this moment was. And I can't believe that I forgot it. But again, there's no noise. There's no light.

There's nothing. There's nothing. There's not light. The best way I can equate to it is it's kind of like you're all dad mode and someone pulls in your driveway and you're like, what do you like? It's jarring. I'm sitting there and I like look at it. I look at my friend.

He looks at me. His name is Zach too. His name's Zachary grew. He's one of the best people in the world. And he looks at me and we look at him. And so we start like, you know, looking around. The plants are moving unnaturally to the wind and everything else around it. But we can't see anything.

Like it looks like someone's walking through the field, getting closer and closer to us. Right. And again, no one's making it always. And you can just hear someone like, it's like field of dream. There's no Kevin Costner, but I got field of dreams. Right. I was going to say, Zach, it sounds like, yeah, like when you see these. I'm trying to think is it's like signs or

signs, yes, yes. Like where the cornfield's moving, things are moving through the cornfield and they're coming towards you, but you don't see what's there. Yeah, and we had even set up, like, distances based on these things, like, they're called phase lines.

And so we had gauge distances of, like, distance for this, like, of certain things that we could use to, like, shoot them or, like, engage certain weapons. And most, all of it was danger close, but it was, like, that was cool. So, like, we start looking at them. So we wake up, we wake up some people,

really hate. Nobody's really asleep. But there's something out here. And so we put more people on the wall and then everyone else is looking at it. It looks like people are walking straight to us and rows. Like they're on a line walking straight to us. And so we put loom in the air. We called for, you know, we'd call for, they can put some loom in the air. And that was, then it all stopped. It was the weirdest, craziest thing I had ever seen. Lumineers when they shoot the, uh, yeah, the flares or whatever. Yeah. So you didn't shoot a, if, you can shoot a flare or like, um, I think this one came just like a pop-up or whatever. We were really just trying to figure out what it was.

Because at first we thought it was like animals. Right? And this is, this is, this is, this one guy swears. This one guy swears, I would say his name in case he wanted to be named. He swears that he heard children's voices and saw children like walking through the field. Like that was it. All I know for sure. All I know for sure is that it looked like someone was coming at us.

And then it stopped. Because like it was, I can't. The kids just doesn't have how dangerous that old day was, but it was weird. Send in the ghosts. Well, there was a school. Here's the thing. Now, and I don't know if we want to keep this in the episode or not, but there was a school. I'll let you decide to cut it, but there was a school that was a known place where the Taliban would actually execute kids that went to the school.

And because they never wanted them to learn. So that was literally, we didn't know it then because we had, we eventually pushed into this area where we were. and we did we found a bunch of machine gun bunkers that were set up the enemy was trying to bait us to come out so like if we would hit this open field there's machine guns lined up on each other that were like just going to mow us down but there was a school like right there in that village that was built by like some NGO it was very very nice they had like a well but they had done public institutions there because they didn't want to get to go to school the trauma that we hear about hauntings they go hand in hand so it would make it would make a lot of sense that if it would make a lot of sense that if it this area was sort of used for that horrible. It's not fun to talk about, but these horrible things that happen to people. A lot of times ghosts look confused, too. They don't really know what people describe them as almost being lost and sort of looking for something, which makes them creepier, right? Because they appear little kids or like a woman in white or, you know, or like there's even hauntings of boats, ships, and trains.

It's almost like, what is, it's out of place. It shouldn't be there. but it's not, you know, a werewolf creature coming out of the woods, like a skin walk. I think it's haunting you or it's really subtle. It's really like, it's almost creepier because it's, you wouldn't expect it. I think it has something to do with frequencies is what I think. Like I always think that we think about things as like vertical integration. I think of it as much more transdimensional stuff.

If that makes sense, this is just me in the sense of like in a place where it's basically, Basically, raw earth is how I think about that part of the world where there's no, there was only like one cell phone tower. I think there's two now. There's so little like man-made interference that their connection to the earth and everything is, it's literally how they make a living. It's literally, you know, their houses are made out of dirt and water, which makes a mud, which makes it bricks. Like they are connected to it. I think there's something to that. They're like in tune. They're like at a higher frequency. Does that make sense? Yeah. things like seep through the earth because there's less concrete you know less paved paradises and put up parking lots you know what I'm saying like I don't know it's just weird I mean I've been I've been to so many different countries like for you know not just in military outside of it and so you gain a certain appreciation for things but you know the raw beauty of that that part of the world is something that I've always said to the most beautiful

place the world you know Zach so let me ask you about this though so when you guys have this experience as a group experience obviously you've got you know you kind of roused the other guys from sort of their twilight, I imagine. What kind of discussion do you guys have? Just like, that was weird. Like, I remember being like, don't falsely. Like, there's something out there is what we kept saying to each other. There's something.

We don't know what it is. It was weird. You're also, like, weighing factors of, like, we are tired, but, like, that was unusual. You know what I mean? So, like, it's one thing. Like, a group hallucination. You don't have group hallucinations. That's the thing.

Like, I remember when I was looking at it, my, so we have an IRR that's pretty well-known infrared laser. there's on your weapons so you can see at night when your NVGs are on you can see where it's pointy and I remember turning mine there and he turned his there too so we both wouldn't have seen him for no reason if that makes sense that's this is a crazy place though like if you ever do any research on the helmet where you guys were I mean 39% of the world's heroin comes from this area so you have that going on is also there's a New York Times article and you were talking about this pre-roll what happens there is they have these they see muzzle flashes flares it's like

their entire position is being attacked. Marines are ducking for cover, but there's no physical or auditory evidence, just lights, and then it ends. And then they hear people hear in Russian whispered into their ears, which braz-e-ur-z-e, which means drop your weapon, if I'd have that right or not. And then you have got these wild stories in this place. And when you came on before, we talked about the Giants, as you mentioned in the beginning, but also, you know, this UFO experience.

And then there are a ton of sort of UFO-UIP experiences as well. One of the things you mentioned, I think it's important to remember is that because there's no infrastructure there, then you have no light pollution, as you said. You've got, you have this very sort of raw, untouched place. And whatever reason, there's a lot of bizarre of things happen, whether it's the fact that there was massacres of children, as you said, massacres of soldiers there, massacres of, you know, it's this place of trauma. You know, people have these experiences. You have these eight different guys that have the same experience. And then you, it makes me think of either like, fill the dreams or like, what is it in Lost? Do you ever watch Lost? Yeah. Where there's things moving. It's like the smoke monsters moving through the jungle and you're like, dude, there's something out here. And it's terrifying because you don't see it.

It's almost more, it's like signs before you see the aliens. You're like, it's so terrifying. And they show them. You're like, dang, if you run the movie for me, maybe. But once you see it, it's sort of the unknown is just as terrifying as maybe actually seeing something. Yeah, it's funny. It's talking about the O.P. Rock place. So when we were there in 2008, two platoons were up at, we called it Apache North. That was our call sign. They were at Apache North and we were at Apache South. Now, I saw O.P. Rock. I know exactly where it is. I even, the guy that's being interviewed in the New York Times article, I know the guy who wrote it. We went to boot camp together. And the guy he interviews was my first team leader who basically taught me the trade of being an infantry. rifle and I remember the way they would talk about it like none of it made sense it's just the main thing they would say because I didn't get to go in it because we were just never there but they would

talk about like just how absolutely terrifying it was and my best friends people that are scared of nothing were like dude I don't want to be there at night I don't want to go to the rock at night I don't want to it's scary and I was like come on there'll be a whatever you baby and they're like no dude like you have no idea you have no idea how bad this place is at night I was like okay I think the perspective on that, Zach, too, is you guys are deployed at your at war. Yeah. So the idea that you're already sort of scared in some ways, right? Because you're on a daily basis doing patrols, you know, doing tasks that could end up in your own demise to be blunt.

But then to be so terrified on top of that by, I don't want to be somewhere at night. From a soldier's standpoint, to me, is sort of a whole other level of, it's not like you're, I don't know, you're already sort of in. this mode of being perpetually on you know, perpetually worried about using your own life and then there's this place. Yeah. You can't shirt ghost. I hate to be the guy. I don't, I don't want to be the

unb blurry here, but in my experience, you can't shoot ghosts. Right. I think your initial reaction is like, especially in these southern states who everyone's packing. But we have all these weird stories that get emailed those, Zach, where like one yesterday, guys driving along hits like a

smoke figure. And it looks like, it looks like it's an entity, but it like blows up into this smoke and then goes over the front of his car. And it seems like it's actually there. It's a thing. It's something. It's walking. It's moving. But it really, at the end of the day, it's not there. I don't know how to make sense of these things. It's like dimension, transdimensional. I'm telling you, just simply they're there and they're not. And even that argument is difficult. You know, some people in our channels think everything's transdimensional. And I'm like, well, Bigfoot's taking dumps here and leaving footprints. So, I mean, that's why my bathroom's in a different part of my house.

It makes sense. You know? You know, I don't sleep. Let's be practical here. Let's be practical here. If you were Bigfoot and you could go to different dimensions, you would have a dimension just for pooping is what is what I'm saying. Yeah.

It makes sense. It makes sense. It's like you have your space. Yeah. Like Bigfoot leaves Dukes in our dimension. That was that was his T-shirt idea. That's probably how he calls it. He's like, I got to, you know, I've got to go.

I go check out old Earth again, you know. It's like when the Lord of the Rings, when they call in the dead kings, come on, fight with us. You know, and we get biblical a lot on our show, Zach. And there's a lot of biblical stories where it's not just, it's like they're calling in help from the heavenly realms. Come down. We've got to win this war. We need help. Yeah.

There's something to it. I think we just have so many distractions in the world that, like, we're just too distracting to notice all the stuff that's glory right in front of us, dude. Well, that is the endless debate on our show because a lot of it, you have to kind of expand your paradigm. And in the moment, when you're doing interviews and go, okay, I have this idea of I think this is what it is. And we can all be so hard and fast about, no, this is what I believe these entities to be. This is their, this is their capabilities and sort of their personality. Then you get an email and you get a story. You're like, well, if this is true, if this is true and this happened, and then you get another one, another one.

And you're like, okay, something's going on here. What do you mean their peeling faces? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and a lot of people just like, oh, yeah, the Miami incident didn't happen. I'm like something happened. They send a lot of cops. It sounds like there was 300 people that made a panicked phone call,

and you had the whole, you know, South End squad show up. That's the problem with our world now. We'll never get the official story about anything anymore. Well, the only way you're ever going to hear the truth is if you interview Kat Williams. So he just says a crazy thing. He's 20 years old. I can still run up 440. You know, like?

All right, dude. That was a pretty good impression. That was a pretty good impression. Yeah. Well, I always think that the reason there's so many stories, in particular, in Afghanistan, I'm sure there are in Iraq and other places, but in Afghanistan in particular, I think it's directly attributed to what Luke said. It is the place where, like, all empires have fallen.

Like, no one's ever since the dawn of creation that we're aware of, been able to conquer that place. And so then I just imagine, like, a mass gathering. of spirits or energy like in one spot. It's just pouring out. Like it can't be. The graveyard of empires. Yeah, it can't be contained.

It cannot be contained. I mean, I can't remember. Who said it for? Was Alexander the Great? This is first? I think it might. Maybe. But it's just like you think about the amount of trauma.

It wouldn't have to Nate's dead. Like you have these people believe. A lot of times people believe that you have, what we consider it or call ghosts have to do with some sort of trauma. And this is the same thing. We talked about the woman in white, Nate. And we talked about,

we talked about Dr. Mike Heiser about, about unclean spirits and ghosts and in human spirits and what's happening here. And we sort of tried to unpack a lot of that. But what seems to come up time and time again is there's association with trauma. There seems to be some sort of spiritual loop that happens, which is why you have things like Gettysburg, where people will claim they see these battles happening again, right?

And these ghosts, if you will, these spirits aren't aware of people or anyone watching. It's like there's this loop of time that continue that, where they're fighting this battle. again. And there were so much death and carnage and trauma. And I don't know we'll ever really know why that happens, but we know that it does. As Nate said, you don't always get the real story. We'll never really know the narrative because oftentimes we're told, you know, what people want us to believe, right? And one of the things that we talked about with you is that there's a lot of secrets, the military is keeping. We know this. This is part of our show. You actually worked

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The armies was right at a million at its peak. So, I mean, whatever that is now, it's that same scale. And so, you know, I get access, like, I've gone to machine gun ranges and mortar ranges and, like, all the stuff that the person could do. And they have a museum on the base. And they had told us, like, hey, do you know there's nuclear sites here? And I was like, no, I don't. I've never, you know, I don't have that knowledge in the back of my pocket.

And they're like, oh, yeah, we used to store nuclear weapons here. And I was like, okay, whatever. And they're like, would you like to go see the storage facilities? And I was like, yes, I would. So I would love to see that. And so this guy, this historian, this, I think he's a retired colonel, it's like, he's like the head of the museum of the civilian guy. And like he has like, you know, his army detachment back goody guy that works with him too.

But like, we got a tour of what used to be. I think it used to be called the Clarksville base was the name of it. Let me see. Yeah. And it was where they, yep, it is where they used to store nuclear weapons for like 20 years or so. And like no one knew. Wow. Not even the Army knew what was going on there because the way these things worked is that it was a base in the center of the Army base that had a Marine security.

security detachment attached to it of like 300 people and that was that Marine unit's job was to basic like from the ground to all the way up in the air they owned all of that space and this is this is important point because you were a Marine sack and what you told me when we were talking about this is that the Marines actually are tasked with guarding all the nuclear sites correct yes um well yeah except for like the the stuff in the bunkers but yeah I mean like there's a lot of stuff that were attached to like Bangor Mainz, one of them. There's a place in Georgia, a place of Washington. Anywhere where there's like a massive amount of like these times of weapons, there's usually

a marine security element. Because I know guys who were like on the teams, the security elements that would be attached there and like they would do like seven day rotations where they're in what's called like a limited area, the LA. Is they're like, we go out for LA for seven days and then come out and they would just guard these places where they have like, and this is all common. knowledge, so I don't want to get, like, canceled by anyone who's like, you can't say the secrets, but like, like, one place where they had a bunch of subs, they were always scared.

If you fell in the water, you would get drug down to the bottom by the aquatic animals. They had trained to pin you at the bottom. What? In case, like, someone, yeah, yeah, in case someone, like, was trying to swim in and get a sub or gain access, I don't know exactly, I don't know those dolphins or seals, whatever it was, but, like, they would just pin you at the bottom until you ran out of the hand. Yeah, and then bring you up. And that's what they were trained to do.

And they're always like, don't fall in. Dude, that's wild. Yeah, yeah. I don't know how you teach it animal to do that either. But that's like very, very well known. And so, again, so what, so we went on tours and I'll send you, I sit look at the photos. But it's the most like moving military nuclear facility thing I've ever seen. Like we, we drove to a different part of the base.

So we started out. at like their entry point of the train tracks where they would receive the pieces of the materials. Oh, the uranium? Yeah, they would receive it at this train yard and they had like this big scooper thing and this like drops over the train track and we'd pick it up and then move it to another one

or put it on trucks or whatever. And we started there and I was like, dude, whatever. And we were there, the guys like telling us a story of like what happened, which I'll, I mean, I can tell you the story now, I guess it makes sense. but they once had a spill. They were moving waste, and the spill, they didn't have a spill, and some of it fell off, and so this young soldier,

or whoever it was, was tasked with removing this waste and taking it to where it had to go. They had cleaned up, and, like, the train had gone, but they had to get rid of it and take it to a different site. And this is all what he's telling us, so it's, like, declassified, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But he said that this guy had gone out in town to meet his girlfriend, and he stayed a little bit too long at his lady's house,

and it was this dog had gotten into it and had eaten some of this waste. And so there was then a manhunt to find this dog, so it didn't start a nuclear event. It was just this whale, all because this dude went down to, like, sign to go see old girl. And then a jar of it fell off the truck, rolled in the sewer, and then some turtles found. I mean, but like, it sounds crazy, but honestly, like, what do you think of? It's just like a guy, he's a young dude.

He doesn't know what's in his truck. He's like, take it to this place, right? I mean, this is the 50s is when they were at this place. So they're like, you know, make sure you smoke extra good when you're driving. You know, like that right, right. So he's just like, oh, I'm just in the military, like doing his thing. And he's like, I'm going to go see Betty Sue. And he goes to see her.

And then, you know, it's just like the beautiful magic of life. life. It's like, well, there's commercials where you pay it forward. Like, weird things happen. And it's just a dog. Just be like, mum, mum, mum, mum, mum. And like, they had to hunt. When dog man's created, yeah, it's, it's, it's, uh, they said they caught the dog. They didn't say what type of dog they caught. That's all I know. Is there something else happening at these nuclear cases? Because I remember in college, right? I went to San Luis Obispo, Cal Poly. Okay. One of my good, one of my good friends, him and his buddy decided to hike up the coast. There's a, there's a power plant in San Luis Obispo. So he comes around the corner and there's like 10 guys drawn like M16s on them and they're like what do you doing now here like

just two college kids hiking the hike in the beach and I remember asking him out of fact like it seemed like an overreaction from two college kids just hiking along the beach he's like I don't we know but whatever we did we crossed the line and we almost got in big trouble I get it's it's a nuclear base but it seems like there was something else going on well and all those guys all that stuff now I believe falls under the Department of Energy so they kind of have their own like semi-paramilitary task force associated with them. Because they're always, they're always moving the materials from site to site to site in any given moment,

you know, and like, that's a whole thing. So they have federal powers. I know that, like when you work for the DOE with their security detail. So like, they got really lucky that they,

they just didn't get a letter sent home to their parents. Like, your family's gone now or something. But what's interesting about this, and Zach and Nate, I think is that, you know, this is basically under our nose, Nate, right here at Ford Campbell, not too far from where we live.

And we would have had no idea. But what seems to happen, and we talked about sort of Zach when I was talking to this earlier this week, was that, and we talked to L.A. Marsoui about this, Nate, that wherever these nuclear weapons are stored or kept, we have these UFO, UAP sort of phenomena that show up. And in a lot of the stories that come out of these places, they turn, they deactivate and turn off the warheads. They turn off these things. And actually, I grew up. up not too far from a Titan missile spot in Chico, California. We knew it was out there. It had been decommissioned. One of the things it was fun before they filled up with concrete is, you know, in high school was to go out there and sneak into it. And it was halfway filled up with water, but it was a complete shaft with rooms and all abandoned stuff, but they had housed Cold War nukes, not too far from Chico, California.

It's like we don't know they're there, but somehow this UFO activity follows these and knows these things are there. and then it's deactivated. And L.A. had an interesting, you know, an interesting theory about, you know, a nuclear event and how that could potentially kick off what we see in the book of Revelation, et cetera. But, Zach, I think this is a question here that, you know, as a military guy, and how much do you think we don't know about secret places and secret things that happen within the military, even as being, you know, an enlisted guy and a Marine?

How much do you think you, if you were to put a percentage on it, do you think we don't know? Yeah. It's really good question. One of the things the military does well is that it really kind of segregates and isolates information to its own detriment, though. Like, compartmentalizes, right? Part mentalization, yeah. Like, it'll keep stuff away. I mean, like, just with the story with the base, like, there were guys that were stationed at their whole careers that didn't know about it that I've talked to about this thing. And, like, it's several, I don't know how many silos it is, but it's several buildings dug in. to the side of the hill that you can tour and walk through and you can see where they would put this stuff in one room room one, room two, and then bring it to room three to mix and then push it

back out on the train. That's literally what would happen. I would say maybe the majority. What's weird is though there seems to be a direct correlation between when we started using these type of weapons or this type of technology and then UAPs and stuff.

Yeah. Showing up. That seems to be almost like I equate it to my children being a little too loud and be like walking I'm saying yeah yeah it's it's gnar I guess I'm saying the food fighter the food fighter thing right after right after the u.s. dropped the bombs on on Japan there was this huge uptick in in what they called foo fighters in the 40s right of these UFOs showing up and it it just there's there's a there has to be some corner there mean there is a connection now what's happening I mean

that's anyone's guess really but at the same time it just makes you think man i that's what i was kind of asking it's like you know even when you're in you only know where they want you to know yeah so as a as a public we feel like we know hardly you know we don't know and then of course this this last year in 2023 you have the house oversight committee and you have these whistleblowers that are that are coming out like david grush that are saying the government and now whatever pieces of that are you know most likely non-government right these defense contractors that they've they've acquired and they have, you know, you crash craft. And you go, when we tell a story like this, you go, well, yeah, I mean, that's totally, that's completely plausible. Not only is David Gresh

have no reason to lie about this and he's got whistleblower protection, but, you know, you all takes as a story like this to be like, you know, for 20 years, we had nuclear weapons and an hour and a half north of Nashville and no one really knew about it, right? So what else could you be hiding? Where could you be hiding it? And we have, we give these conversations about deep underground military bases and all these things that that you hear whispers of but as you say you know it's like you you're allowed to know what you know and that's really it and they keep you sort of compartmentalize record and they keep you in different boxes so that not everybody knows enough of it of everything right which is which is a problem with understanding technology as a whole honestly they talk about it

some of the scientists and stuff and come forward they're like yeah it's hard to improve things or solve these problems or understand what we're looking at when we have like one piece of of a thousand. Like, and then you're counting on like someone to carry that information to another person. The thing with David Grush, that's so interesting to me on like a personal level is I believe he forfeited his commission as an officer. And he was either an 04 or an 05, I believe, which means he's a very, very long career

in the military. And then to forfeit that, I don't know what type of benefits he retained, but I believe he might have lost to all in. And so, like, I think that's what happened. I don't, so don't quote me. Okay. I love everyone in the blurry world. Please don't hurt me. I believe that's what he said when he's on Rogan. And for me, like someone to basically, I don't say throw it away, but to give up something they've worked so hard for, that's what really makes me. It wouldn't give it up to no reason to be wrong or to lie. Seems crazy. To give up something he worked a whole career for it to tell the truth because you feel like it has to be told. That makes sense to me.

A lot of credence. Yeah, I agree. And I think that's the same method we apply a lot on our show, trying to figure out how it's telling us the truth or not. And as a show grows, obviously, more and more people want to come on. We think this in the same lines of like, is this person, what do they have the gain from this? And a lot of people get really mad at the people who come on and disguise their voice and don't even have social media. And they're like, look, this is my story. I grew up.

These are the things I saw. This is what I was a part of. And I get it. The wilder your story, the more knee-jerk reaction, it will have. it will cause, but some of these people have nothing to gain. Don't even have a name on the show. Yeah. So what's the point?

I mean, hoax us, I guess. It's funny because to go back to your previous discussion, I'm trying to get a retired. His name's Robert Salas, and we're trying to get him on the show. He had a nuclear event where a UFO disabled. He was there the night it happened. He wrote a book, and it disabled the nuclear missiles on base, and he had this interaction.

And this was in the, I think this was in the 50s of the 4th. 40s. So it's been going on a long time. He's one of those guys as old, and he probably doesn't even know how to work his email. But those are the guys want to have on and tell these stories. But this has been going on a long time is kind of my point. Yeah, and it's right around the times these things, we started messing with these, you know, as soon as Oppenheimer put that bomb together for us, you know, stuff started happening. Wow.

And what do they have now? I mean, you can think about what the technology is today. Dude. I mean, I think it's just, I don't know exactly what level the nuclear stuff is. We have the nuclear triad, I believe is what our country has. We have air, land, and sea. Like, we have that many nuclear assets in a given moment. It terrifies me because, like, our whole nuclear policy is built on the idea of mutual destruction.

So if Russia launches, then we launch. However many they have, we have X amount more or vice versa. There's way too many of them, but I don't think they know how to properly dispose of them without. Wishing you could be there live for the big game, soaking up the atmosphere of the crowd. But too often, life gets busy, or the price holds you back.

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like how far can you bury? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's just crazy that, like, some of it relies on, like, floppy disk technology that's the size of a dinner plate that doesn't exist anymore. And, like, that's all that's stopping is some kid in the middle of the Midwest and a silo, just like changing out of floppy disk. That's keeping us out of the, out of nuclear winter. It's wild. It's wild. That was a, that was a thing. That was a crazy film. Oppenheimer? Yeah.

It rattled my mind a lot. It's the most beautiful movie I've watched in a long time. Tevi. It's like an epic scene of a movie, you know, how that? Nolan does this. There's like the music and it's all building. He does that for like two hours. Yeah.

You know, it's like most people, most of the guys will do it for like two minutes or the moment. And then he does, he somehow managed to keep that level of intensity throughout the entire film. So you leave just in the state of like. Like, oh, man, I've got to ponder some things. But I kept thinking, man, if we had that tech then, what do we have now? What do we have? Yeah. I mean, you've seen the B-52 bombers that you can do them flyovers with.

Is that what the thing about the bean, whatever mommers? I always mess this up. The stealth, the stealth bombers. Yeah. The nicknames are the spicy Dorito. I call it the final Dorito because if you see it, you're like, well, it's a wrap. We're done here. Well, that's what a lot of people say is the TR.

It's a, yeah, the TR3B is sort of the triangle UFO craft that the government has. So a couple of guys have come on and said that UAPs are government craft, re-engineered. It's not that they just, they got this tech from somewhere else, like from crash sites. And then UFO. From Bob Lazar. Yeah. UFOs are non-government craft. So you have both these things flying around at the same time.

And so some people are, they put it all in one box and say, oh, it's all government. it's all a government hoax. I'm like, some are. What do you all think? I tend to think that it's always more complex. All the above seems to be more the answer. It is out there. They do have reverse-engineered UFO craft, and they are doing some things. A lot of people send us videos that look like holograms. They're doing things, but it's not all holograms, and it's not all government tech. A lot of this stuff falls outside of that. And especially the weirder ones. There was one in Mexico, like, last week. It looks like a spiky ball shaking in the sky and then it stops. It just disappears and then it's gone.

And these things, they don't look like a human would build them and reverse engineer them. They look like they're from somewhere else, a thousand years from now. I would say maybe 10 to 15% are ours and the rest are not. There's so many sightings. And there's so much that seems to be coming out and more people are filming it. The sheer massive numbers, there's no way we can forward to produce this mini crap. with how many people are filming it. So that's my thought.

What are you saying, Glutie? I mean, listen, like things that happen like the Roswell event and these recovered craft obviously aren't man-made. So you have to create space for that in your paradigm. Now, if you are to believe Bob Lazar and other sort of whistleblowers that are saying that we are reverse engineering, then you've got to think that at least something's come out of that. Now, the extent of that, I mean, I don't know.

I think it's, I think the scary thing is, We don't know. We don't know how advanced. We had Ashton Forbes on in December talking about the disappearance of MH370. There's some very compelling video and evidence there of what appears to be orbs that you can purport are under sort of our control. However you want to, ever you want to splice that or split that hair, that's a really, that's a really interesting and very, very terrifying realization that if that is, it kind of

opens up Pandora's box for what's really going on. And just like just sort of our conversation about this secret nuclear bases, there's a lot that we don't know. And I think the difference now between that or us and Roswell in timing is that, you know, we have the internet and we have this proliferation of information. And everybody has a camera on their phones in their pocket. You can't really control the outlets. You remember changing the TV for, I remember it from my grandfather.

Yeah. There's five channels. Yeah. It was like, click, click, click five channels. And then you had your newspaper. And that was the way you got information. And that was the way you were told what was happening. We live in a much different time.

I think that's part of the reason that we are seeing all this disclosure is that people that don't want things to disclose, for whatever reason, the government's a great answer to that. You can't keep a lid on everything. You can't anymore. And I think that forces you to sort of make concessions. However, you want to navigate and push the narrative if you're a government entity or a government contractor. There's an allowance. You have to have now sort of an allowance for things because you can't just go fly.

that denial. That doesn't work anymore considering, you know, unless you tell it, just sort of play the game, everyone's crazy and there's nothing to see here, right? Which, I don't know. I mean, so like that's the thing, right, is that not that long ago people's solution was just to rene what was put in front of them and not question it. Yeah. I think pretty much since the 80s, there have been so many institutions that have been destroyed. Always thinking about that video where it shows like local news stations from all over the country and like they're starting an ending line is all the exact same like they chop it up and it's just like one video two and then it becomes like 30 videos of like blah blah blah they're all saying the same thing

yep there there just seems to be we over question and under analyze if that makes sense at least this is my opinion like like for me the uap thing it makes sense to me it all makes sense to me, like, that there's some sort of crafts, however they got here, whatever, especially because we're messing with nukes. What do you, they're like, what are you apes doing? We got to figure that out. And then that makes a ton of sense to me. The next thing that makes sense to me is that the government's like, what's that?

What do you got there, buddy? That's literally what we did and have done after every war. Correct. It was founded because, I mean, all things being equal, like, what are you going to do with all those scientists who will work on all those different things. You're going to, like, leave them to Russia or to other different parts of the world? Like, I mean, you can't. They were doing all those things. It's like, it's the acquisition of assets, right? It's like you're acquiring these assets when these happen to be, you know, intellectual assets. And then, yes. So perhaps the same

things happening with technology. I agree. I believe that's what's, I believe that's what's, I believe that's a loss of what's happening sort of on our end and what Grush is talking about and what the other whistleblowers in the same space we're saying. Yeah. Is that we're attempting to acquire these. You want to have them before the North Koreans and before the Russians and everybody else gets them right because it's a it's a power play regardless of how it works. It's Iron Man 2. But there's a lot of it's not us, right? And I think I do believe that. Oh yeah. We did a members episode with a guy who, you know, it was called the invisible highway, those who want to go check that one out. And backyard experiment. So he was, his whole claim was the UFOs fly out of our, we can't detect them because our

eyes see a certain frames per second, right? But if you slow down and you get some video footage and you slow it down, you can actually film the photos flying through the sky anywhere. At a different frame rate, yeah. At 240 frames per second, you slow it down, you'll see things going very quickly, not birds, not insects. Yeah. Did you all do this? Yes, we did this.

And our members did this. So we had hundreds of people who listened to our show, send us videos catching stuff flying through the sky. So probably thousands of these things at any given moment are flying undetected. But all over the world, people were sending us videos and they were catching. UFOs as clear as that. I mean, so that makes sense. I mean, like, what are you done I'm thinking of right now is if you film, if you catch,

like if a helicopter's taken off and you're filming at a certain frame rate, the propellers don't move. Yep. That's literally what I'm thinking of. So like, if that dumb principle works, what you're saying can I also work? And this is, I'm just filtering stuff through my simple mind. So the more we, Luke and I get into these things, we realize that there's a lot of things that humans just can't detect, whether

whether we were able in the past, when we were originally created to be able to sense and see these things that we can no longer now. And it seems, Zach, that human beings can, we can receive telepathic communication, but we do know, we don't know how to send it out, but we can receive because so many people will, these entities will communicate with people.

So we're somewhere in the middle of the equation when it comes to some of this technology. And I think that it's, easy just to lump it into the spiritual category and say, oh, it's all just, it's all just spirit activity, but what does that even really mean? So we unpacked those ideas a lot on the show, but it definitely seems like there's a lot of craft out there. That's, that's, that's kind of what we've uncovered. There's a lot of crap. It's all very weird. Yeah. The U.S. military is not going to let someone visit us and not get a piece is all I'm

going to say. Like, if something's crashed here, we, we know about it. You know what I mean? Like, if there is technology that is world-changing technology, I don't. know who's the best keeper of that, but somebody has to be. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. You can't just leave that to everyone, right? Well, it reminds me of a recent episode we did on MH370. It looks like this plane goes through some sort of portal technology. And originally it looks like UFO activity, but then, you know, we broke it down with our guests, and he said it could have, it could have been reverse engineered tech, and they knew this was going to happen and they sent it it might be a government conspiracy and not a UFO conspiracy not a

an extra-dimensional conspiracy however you want to say that or a fourth kind it looked more government is kind of his conclusion so it is advanced tech in the sense that wow we we can maybe open up portals now but it still could be humans doing it so I don't know that's because we have no we have no idea we have no idea but I think they get the technology from crash sites. That's the thing. Oh, for sure. Like, I mean, objectively, like, I look at it like this, imagine just like picking up a piece of a tire you never seen before from like a road wreck and from like a tragic car accident. You're like, okay, I'm not going to build a car, but all you have is a tire, like a piece of rubber. Right. It also is a little concerning how free the information

is very recently, right? Like, people forget, like, not that long ago. It was just, like, crazy to even have these type of discussions. Blurried creatures couldn't exist a few years ago. And now it's BlurrieCon taken over everything, which I will be at, from hell or high water this year. Let's go, yes, you will. I was, I came here. I think it was, was, was I do a Mr. Beast?

We're going to put you in a Sasquatch suit if you keep telling us this. Yeah, you are. I'll be there. I'll be there. Well, Zach, we started the episode with a, with a ghost story from Afghanistan. Do you want to, do the Okinawa thing at the end? We can cut this part of the edit if you want,

and you want to end with that? Because I think it's pretty, it's a pretty good bookends. if you want to. Sure. Yeah. So we started the episode with, you know, with your own ghost stories. And being our, and I love this, our sort of our resident military expert, your veteran, you are a veteran. You are our veteran with a sign. Yeah. The place in Okinawa that is supposed to be most haunted is a place called Cadena Air Base, Air Force installation there. There is a building there called 2283. Part of partly it was demolished. It was at one point considered the single most haunted house in the entire U.S. military. It was so bad that no one would stay there. And apparently, as you said, in the 70s, the story goes that a U.S. Air Force officer murders his entire family. And then a family next door starts to have sort of paranormal experiences.

So there's a woman that washes her hair in the sink and comes and asks you if you will fix the shower. There's a daycare next door, which is wild and of itself. But there are stories of children throwing toys over the fence because the little kids on the other side are asking them to. There are ghostly phones ringing, fossils turn themselves on by themselves, curtains open, and even glowing houses. If that's not enough to scare you on this base, there are supposedly Marine guards. This is what I was going to ask you about, some of the Marine stories. Apparently, at the old gate three at Camp Hansen, there is a ghostly marine that hangs out at the gate defending American troops, because purportedly the ghosts of World War II, Japanese soldiers show up at the gate at the same time.

These happened so often that Marine Guards refused to stand guard at Gay-A-3, and eventually this was closed. So, who knows, didn't like smoking because apparently, like, when you lit a cigarette, the Spectre soldier would disappear. It seems like, you know, as you guys talked about in your story, you guys see a lot, but I think for Marines not to want to stand guard because of a, this event happened so often. seems to lead credence to that, I mean, to that being, being a real thing. And I think my favorite story out of, out of the air base, Zach, is that there is a samurai warrior because across the street from the base, there is a tomb of samurai. There's a samurai warrior that seems to ride, there rides its horse through the barracks and through potentially people's living rooms on base from time by time.

And there's a similar samurai warrior that rides the road to Camp Foster head in two, base housing. So if you're in the military and you end up in Okinawa, it seems to be the wildest place you could be stationed, maybe other than Afghanistan based on where in Afghanistan, because you've got samurai warriors, you've got World War II Marine Guards guarding your base from the ghost of World War II Japanese soldiers, and you have the single most haunted house, if it still exists, the U.S. military house on the planet, at the Air Force Base, Cadena Air Base in Japan, Okinawa. So anything. thoughts on that, Zach, as our military, as a military expert.

As a military expert, this is how I start my arc and start going on. I love it. Yeah. All the channels. Dude, I have heard really weird stuff about, was it Hanson? Yeah. Camp Hanson. So the thing is, so when they do these rotations, what they're mainly doing is peacekeeping

missions and, like, sometimes, like, it's mainly infantry. it is infantry units that will respond there and they act as like a they try to be a force for good in the area and and also a presence right so the idea is the reason that these units are there is in any given moment even with technology most of the have it does take time to traverse the globe so this unit will like respond to like floods or like anything that can happen in that part of the world and so but they're there they're on the base all the time they're not allowed to to leave for the most part like there's not a lot of stuff to do and you know it's a bunch of young dude so i have heard like weird stories of the gate guard and different things like that because they're just there i think all that stuff's trapped there because that's also the site of the battle of okinaw so right there was some gnarly stuff that happened there and just like afghanistan i don't think it's got anywhere to go i think that stuff stays and like we just we just put pavement in a parking lot and then we build a base there it's

That's crazy. Pay paradise and put up a paragon. That's right. So purportedly the most haunted and scariest place in the military reach is Okinawa. So if you end up there, good luck with the samurai horsemen and the gate guards and the lady washing her hair. It's all very creepy. But Zach, always good to have you on, my friend. I know that you have a new project that want to give you a chance to talk about what you're doing.

Especially with a sign, you've got a great platform. You really work. I mean, you do amazing work to do. to get the awareness out to veterans. I know we have a crisis on our hands with veteran suicide, and that's a battle you pick up and fight every day. And I mean, hats off to you because our veterans need to be taken care of and they need to be reminded that they continue to have value as human beings.

And I know that's really the tip of the spirit and what you really push for. And so, of course, hats off to you because that's the Lord's work, man. But you also started a new project in addition to your channel. So I wanted you to be a chance to share a little about what you're doing over there. And we could send people to check out your show. Yeah. And again, thank you all so much. I love me both so dearly.

I'm always fascinated by the beautiful, unpredictable journey of life. In the moments that we are, you know, from things you don't look to on the road to like right here. Like, you can't make this stuff up. I love it. No, I have recently started a podcast. It's called After Action podcast. It's, you know, you can find it on YouTube, Spotify and Apple anywhere. You can get podcasts because Nate literally walked me through how to do it.

So let's get. Shouts out. But no, I wanted to try and do something different and to tell stories in a different way. And I just had, you know, from talking to you guys and, like, communicate with you all about this. It's something that was really on my heart for a little bit. And I just wanted to do it. And through certain circumstances that happened, I've been able to be around people who just felt like they had a story they wanted to tell. And so, you know, my first guest was one of the cops who responded to the incident at the Nashville school in March of 2023.

Yeah. And it's the first ever interview is ever done. And it's just me and him talking about it. You know, and I felt so honored that he wanted to do that and to hold that space with him. And then just to kind of try and build out and have people. People talk about their experience, you know, not just in the military outside of it. And I'm starting to grow and get more of it. And it's been fun.

It's hard. There's stress involved every time I upload anything. You know, because it's, as you all know, when you're creative or creating stuff, no one sees 99% of the things that you see, but you're like, why did I have to make that face? So, like, you know, there's weird things. But it's been a way for me to try and learn more about my service. and others and like, you know, talking to the most recent guest is Tyler Vargas Andrews, who was one of the surviving members of the suicide bombing event in Afghanistan at H. Taya.

He lost an arm. He lost the leg. His body's scarred by war and he still gets up every single day and gets after it. We talked a little bit about his life and that moment and how it felt. And just to see him the way he's moving and continuing to honor those who didn't come home, like that's the type of stuff that I'm focusing on now. So I know John Chris, but I have to get you guys on. Come on, baby.

Let's go. But it's fun. And like, I want to do something to have like, like, really kind of to flesh out the experience. Because it helps. It teaches me a lot. And I hope people take something from it. So it's been fun. But, yeah, it's a whole new world.

And I honestly wouldn't be here without the help of y'all. So I can't think you know. So check it out. Check it out. After Action Podcast. Of course, you can connect with Zach. at Ventra with a Sign on Instagram and on YouTube. And dude, we always love getting a chat, man, love our lunchtime,

love our lunches and get together. You're a friend of the show and also a friend outside the show. So we always love to have you on, brother. You guys have like a secret lunch spot, apparently, where you guys hang out. You've been there, dude. You've been there. Just people ruin it for us. Don't you kid.

Don't play that game. But all the people envision listening to the show, it's like some sort of like big foot hut on the mountain somewhere in southern south of town where we meet and we bring lunches and we discuss blurry things. Homemade lunches. But dude, I love after action. That is a,

that's a good name. I thought about that. When you said that, I was like, that's a good name, dude. Get that thing out there. It comes from the term.

So after you're in contact, something happens, whatever it is you do. In the military, we called an after action report or after action review. Yeah. In the civilian world, they called a post.

warden. I actually kind of like post-wortem a little more for a little more depressing. That's a little sad, you know, a little more, yeah, macabre. You know, I've recorded other episodes, my friend Austin, who's a YouTube fitness guy who started his own brand. I talked to a Nashville police officer who wrote a book about his time, you know, fighting the crime in town. Like, I'm really just trying to, like, lur. And it's, it's been fun and it's hard. But like, again, and I can't, I can't stress this enough. the people in the blurry verse are fervent, ravenous people and like, I'm, I'm people like literally are you veteran with a sign? I'm like, yeah. And like, I heard about you on blurry creatures. I was like, this is crazy. Let's go. This is crazy. That's what the,

our buddy who runs the Bigfoot Museum and the Blue Ridge Mountain said, he said, people were just coming in every day, all day. I heard you on blurry creatures. It's while we, we thank you guys out there listening. I don't know what it is. Just a couple of Dommy's asking questions. But before you go, Zach, you got to give us, what's your favorite military 80s movie? Come on. There's so many good 80s films. I might not even be 80s though. It might not be 80s. It has to be 80s, though. Luke said it's got to be 80s. I didn't say that actually. He told me. He said, how about ask him? And it has to be 80s. We got full metal jacket. That's a good one. We got platoon. That's a good one. We got him. We got

Hamburger Hill. We got born on the 4th of July. What is the one with... We got so many. Heartbreak Ridge. Is Hartbreak Ridge 80s? Purple Hearts. Stripes.

Stripes. So I would stay... I would say... Uncommon valor. Glory. The Empire of the Sun. Empire of the Sun. So many.

There's so many, dude. So I'm going to two-part this one. One, I would say 80s. So the 80s, if you're going to go for military accuracy, full metal jacket, the military experience that he portrays in full metal jacket of like boot camp and stuff. And so obviously what's his name, shooting the drill instructor is not literally what would happen. But the metaphor is that he broke a man right through the training. But like that, the way he interacts with him,

so I don't know if you guys know this or not, but Arleigh Irmi was a technical advice. for whatever actor they had in place. And he's like, no, do it like this. And the guy just couldn't do it. He just couldn't do it. And so they fired the dude, the actor on the spot. And they're like, you do it. And that's how he became an actor.

No way. This is how you do it. So that one's probably the most accurate. Predator is like the biggest military movie. I always say it's like Avengers Zero, version Zero, because it's the biggest stars of the time. They're jacked. They're huge.

You know, the behind the scenes, they're making fun of each other because their arms aren't big enough. Like, it's just a bunch of dudes with machine guns. Like, it's incredible. But. You also have Rambo First Bloods. And you got Red Dawn, Red Dawn as well. But I'm thinking the most action-packed, right? But one of, this is a sleeper.

One of the ones that I can always watch because it's just hysterical to me. And this is an 80s. It's a 90s movie. It's under... Dude, that's a great call. That is a really good call. The movie, everyone's doing cocaine. Tommy Lee Jones is out of his mind.

Gary Bucy is out of his mind. Yeah, there's still a wild. You've got the cook. Steven Seagull's a cook. I'm just a cook. A lowly cook saves the U.S. Navy. Yeah, like, it's crazy. He's like, and he's like, who's on that ship?

And he goes, Casey, right back. He's even got like... Like anybody knows who that is. Yeah. He pulled your ass out of Grenada or something. Like, whatever it is he said. Oh, my gosh. That's probably my tier.

But, all right, favorite military maybe might be, but my favorite, hang on wait. I've got a whole list in my head because there's so many good ones. But 80s is in that order. I don't want to go to him. I like it. That's good. That's good stuff. All right, thanks, man.

You thank y'all so much. I do. Until where you meet again at the old secret spot. Later.