Blurry Creatures - EP: 238 Rescued By A UFO with Gary Stearman

Episode Date: May 15, 2024

In 1969, during a routine flight, pilot Gary Stearman found himself in the presence of the extraordinary. High above the clouds, a metallic object materialized beside his plane after he heard a voice. This experience challenged everything he thought he knew about the skies. Join us on this special episode as Gary Stearman recounts his firsthand experience with a UFO, detailing the moment when he was so close he could see light beams on the roof of this mysterious disk. This experience became a canvas for the unexplained and changed his life forever. Support the show! www.blurrycreatures.com/members Socials instagram.com/blurrycreatures facebook.com/blurrycreatures twitter.com/blurrycreatures Music Kyle Monroe: tinytaperoom.com Outro Song: On the Run by TimeCop1983 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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involved in aviation. And in the next moment, I was full of questions. And I was full of questions. I was asking the big questions about spiritual truths. And this event changed my life. The history of our earth is so different from what we can imagine. The Smithsonian that if they found out about a large skeleton somewhere was to go get it. I'm going to assume at least one person is right. Because if one person's right, it bust the paradigm. It all goes back to the fallen chair.

And the problem with the modern day church, they have a very truncated view of the supernatural. This backdrop that's just pregnant with all kinds of meaning associated with this Mount Hermann event. And this guy defects from the kingdom. That's a big deal. All right. UFO good, UFO bad. There's like a Dr. Seuss book that needs to be written here. Maybe we can release it.

Yeah, children's book. But it's complicated, right? And people get mad in the comment section all the time about these topics. And I guess that's what we do. We just launch nukes out into the world, and we don't usually comment back because it just gets so hot and heavy. But Gary Stearman is a pastor, and he's an author, and he's been doing this for a long time. He had a UFO encounter that is kind of one-of-a-kind. Tim sort of teased it many moons ago.

and talked about how you need to get them on and you need to let them tell your story and good thing, Blurry Creatures has gotten a little bit bigger and now some of these people are wanting to come on the show and talk about their weird stories. So we thank you guys so much for listening to this podcast and helping us get some of these weirder stories that some of these people that don't want to talk about these stories

that do other ministries or their pastors and other divisions of their spiritual life. And the UFO stuff and the blurry stuff is real there's not really a place for it but there's a place for it here obviously and so this this is a really good one i i like waiting for a good story and then he delivered it's really cool yeah no it's we've been working on this for maybe what three years now trying to trying to get gary on and been a while yeah it's been a while and it i think this is one of those stories it's so crucial to to plug in to your worldview as we try to unpack things like UFOs and the alien narrative and

and these things that we that we've touched touched on the last you know 200 plus episodes it is you know we've done a lot of deep diving into you know what are these things and what's happening yeah and how are we to contextualize this as you know through a biblical lens through biblical worldview through through our faith and Gary's story I think is one of those pieces that's so it's so interesting and so crucial to really provide more context for what perhaps is going on and I mean this guy is a guy who dedicated his life since 1969 to the ministry He's written books. He pastored.

He's now with Prophecy Watchers with our friends over there in Mono Gonzalez and Josh Peck. It's a pleasure to have Gary on and real excited to share his story with our audience. Yeah. Thank you guys over at Prophecy Watchers for hooking up a lot of your guests on our show recently. And yeah, put this one in your mind, kick it around a little bit. You know, usually UFO stories aren't good. And this one's going to make you wonder, like, what happened? that day. And I like the timing to some of these stories that happened in the late 60s and before

technology has exploded. You know, like the Patterson Gimlin film, the Bigfoot film. It's like very important time in history when that thing was filmed because we now have AI and we have all this digital manipulation. So it's good. It's not that he filmed this thing, but it's interesting at the time when it happened. So if you want to become a member of the show, Blurraycruiter's.com slash members. We got tickets to Squachella. If you guys want to come see us and a bunch of other podcasts, confessionals, ninjas or butterflies, and expanded perspectives, afteraction podcasts, you can go to squachella.com.

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Yeah. All right. Welcome back to Blurry Creatures. We have Gary Stearman on the show today. From Prophecy Watchers, Gary, thank you so much for coming on our podcast. We, uh, I think it was like a year. year and a half ago, Tim Alberina was on the show, and he kind of hinted at your story, which is an amazing encounter with, uh, it's kind of one of those UFO stories. And on our show,

obviously, we talk about all the weird stuff through a biblical paradigm, whether it's Bigfoot, aliens, UFOs, all the above, you know, and we get into a lot of the paranormal stuff that happens in the, in the Bible. And I guess the more of our show goes on, everything's weird, everything's strange, everything's supernatural. And, you know, we've kind of moved beyond some of these terms, but thank you for coming on blurry creatures in. We ask everyone at the top of the hour, what are your thoughts on Bigfoot, Gary? What do you think about the big guy?

Well, I think the only Bigfoot story I've ever heard about that I believed was a famous story about a farmer. He looked out his kitchen window and saw Bigfoot coming through his back gate. And he ran to the back door, grabbed a rifle on the way out, went out on his back porch and unloaded the rifle on Bigfoot. Wow. And he said, I hit him. And he disappeared in a flash of light.

And I went back in the house, put my rifle down, and finished filling my glass of water. And the true story, that he tells that story. And that's the only big foot story that I believe. Well, you might have a bone to pick with your colleague there, Mondo Gonzalez, because he sent us a photo. We had Mondo on, and he has a crazy footprint photo he took outrunning one. day that it's definitely not uh not my size 14 and not anything that we've we've seen so mondo has a weird experiences too you got to ask you about that i'd be exaggerating why i say that i don't

believe in bigfoot which i do and i have a family member who has one of the best bigfoot stories you've ever heard in your entire life and uh uh if you'd like to hear it i can tell you about yeah by all me yeah well this this gentleman was my uh great uncle he was my uh great uncle he was an upper-level manager at Conoco Oil Company, and he loved to hunt with his dogs. And he went out in Southern Kansas, a beautiful country down there in Southern Kansas, and was hunting with his dogs, hunting quail.

And his dogs became very excited and ran ahead of him, and he thought, aha, they sensed quail. And they disappeared over a rise in the ground, and he heard the most awful commotion after the dogs disappeared. And obviously they were yelping and screaming and squealing, and then there was no more sound of all. And so he ran up to the top of the hill and looked over, and there were his two dogs down all the ground, literally torn up bits.

Now, this is a true story. And he said, I was stupefied, and then I looked to my left and down the hill a bit, and there were two creatures. Or he said, should I say man? But they looked like men, except they were covered with fur. That was sort of a light golden color. And he said they had yellow eyes, and they were probably about seven feet tall. And he said, they looked at me, and they gave me the most awful stare I've ever had my entire life.

And I was froze. And they simply turned. They walked away and disappeared in a nearby forest. And so that's Uncle Ralph's Bigfoot story. And he told it to the family as long as anybody would listen to him. When you listen to Bigfoot stories long enough, like we have, you start to hear these stories where things happen that don't sound like an animal. Yeah.

You know, you have this, you have this whole paranormal part of Bigfoot that's lights. And like you said, disappears. And some people say he goes through portals and then the UFOs show up. and it just gets stranger and stranger. And like Heiser said on our show that if just one of these stories is true, we have to make room for it, right? We have to kind of expand our paradigm.

And you have one of those stories, Gary. And I know that, like you said on the top of the hour, this is a personal story. This is something you experience. And I think it fits in with our show and our audience because we've heard so many of these types of stories. But we'd love to get into your UFO encounter.

And, you know, obviously we'll just ask some questions. And we appreciate you being willing to share it on our show. Yes, glad to be here. You know, this happened in 1969, and I should point out that I have, for the last 35 to 40 years, been deeply involved in pastoral duties.

I pastor to church for 33 years, and I have written many articles, a couple of books, and my entire preoccupation, And my entire life, I think, is dedicated to the Lord and to teaching and preaching and writing. And but before that, back in the 60s, my career was in aviation. My whole family was in aviation. Growing up, I don't know, probably most people have forgotten about the old steer with biplanes that trained all the World War II pilots.

But that was my family. And they were all in the aircraft business. I was dedicated to fly in the 60s, and we're going to be talking about 1969. I was working for Cessna Aircraft Company in the merchandising department, meaning I was in promotionals. We did films, we did books, we did art advertising literature and so forth, and we put on dealer meetings. And the story that I am going to share with you today has to do with a particular dealer

meeting that I was preparing for and it involved flying first to Dallas, Texas and then to Lubbock, Texas. And on that flight, an amazing thing happened to me that literally changed my life. Virtually 90 degrees. One moment I was dedicated to aviation and the rest of my life would be involved in aviation. And in the next moment, I was full of questions. asking the big questions about spiritual truths. And this event changed my life. Were you flying?

Were you piloting the plane? Yes. I was. I had taken off on a Sunday morning about 9 o'clock in Asesna, a 207. It was a beautiful brand-new airplane. The 207 was a stretch model that was designed so that you could take the seats out of it and put it in cargo. and I had a cargo that was going to supply all the needs of the dealerships putting on dealer meetings. And I flew first to Dallas, Texas, the Sessna dealership at Love Field,

and unloaded some materials, about half the material that was necessary for them put on their dealer meeting. And my intention then was to take off from Dallas and fly to Lubbock, Texas, which I did. and I was flying along, well, probably about 5,500 feet on a beautiful, beautiful Sunday, and that's where the story starts. Wow. And I loved flying, and I was just enjoying myself as much as possible, and even more, I always have love to fly. And I'm flying along in this beautiful setting, and suddenly something got my attention.

And then I, it looked like something flying along, maybe a mile to my left. And then I noticed a couple or three red lights went on on my instrument panel. And I started checking things and I had no electrical system. It had just went. And the battery wasn't being charged. Nothing was working. And so I turned off the master switch and made a decision. I, you know, I could turn around and go back to Dallas.

but I think on the battery alone I can make it to Lubbock and somebody who'll be there who can fix it for me. So that's what I did. Trimmed up, continued to fly with power, the electrical power turned off. Look to my left again. And there's an airplane over there flying the same direction I am. And that airplane looks like he's hitting for Lubbock too, which means that as we get closer, we're going to, to the airport will be converging. So after a while I'll see just what or who he is.

And I watched, and then I got bored, was watching. And then the strangest thing happened. Flying along, and I hear a voice, very loud and clear voice, that said, if you look to your left, you'll see a U-F-O. And it sounded like a tour guy. one of these guys that stands on top of a bus with a microphone, you know, and say, oh, on your left, so and so. And my reaction, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

And I'm not going to look to my left. Yeah. So I just flew along, and in about a minute, I think I was half afraid to look to my leg, like the truth. But in about an hour minute, the voice came again. If you look to your left, you'll see a UFO. And I said, okay, I'll bite. And so I looked to my left, and about a mile over there was that a light.

I said, well, that's the sunlight reflecting off the wing of an airplane. And he's heading for Lubbock 2. That's got to be an airplane. I thought at first it was an airplane. Yeah, that's an airplane. That can't be a UFO. And I had only a second after I had. thought that. I had just one second to sort of settle myself back down and then suddenly this bright

light on my left came right up and flew alongside me in formation. In other words, this bright reflection, which I thought, what was a reflection off the wing of an airplane was really a UFO. And it flew over and flew right beside me. And it got big. And it got big. and beautiful in our hurry. And I said, that's a UFO. Gary, what is your thoughts on, like, UFOs before this encounter, like, before this moment? It's fascinating. I hadn't heard a lot of UFO stories, of course, going back to Roswell.

And everybody had UFO stories, and all the members of my family swapped UFO stories. At that time, in my life, I hadn't devoted much thought except to say, well, maybe they are from some other. galaxy or some other solar system and hey I didn't think much beyond that I just thought well this it's not difficult to believe that somebody wouldn't fly here someone with high tech capabilities could fly here and then perhaps make contact with humanity so that was kind of my sort of my basic belief and but I did believe in UFOs the existence thereof because my entire family being in the aircraft business and being in aircraft design always swapped UFO stories. So your family had seen, they seen stuff as well or they just were telling stories

because you guys, that's kind of with nature of the business? Actually, I had an uncle who saw one. Okay. And he talked about it. So I thought, well, he's believable. And I was believable, but it's sort of nonchalant about the whole thing. I wasn't really driven to find out what they were. Until this moment on my way to Lubbock, Texas,

suddenly there it is. And this thing is about 100 feet in diameter, and it's a disc, and it's not a tapered disc. It's probably 10 feet, 12 feet thick. And it was very smooth and around on top and smooth on the bottom. It had sort of a corrugated edge around it. And on top of this UFO that was flying along with side, immediately were what looked like rays, it's emanating from the center of the top of the machine,

and you could see energy pulsing along these rays or little strips, if you will, of energy. And I was just super fascinated with this, and I even edged the airplane over a little closer and pulled it up a little higher so that I can look down on the top of this thing. And it was just amazing. And I thought to myself, they're real. They really are real. And at this point in time, I knew nothing. That is to say, I was still very ignorant about what UFOs were.

In the years since, I've come to some definite opinions about what they are and where they come from and what they're doing here. But at that time, I only barely made the connection between the problem I had. had with my airplane and the appearance of this device. I didn't connect the tune. Later on, I discovered I wouldn't be alive today if that thing hadn't come alongside me because I really believed that I was in the center of some kind of a battle. And this guy who pulled up on my left and said, if you look to your left, you'll see a UFO, was really a good guy. And he was there to help me out. Is that voice audible or is it in your head, in your mind? Sometimes it feels like when you get that phone bill it's like the crash site document you can't read it there's a bunch of numbers

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a voice and you're by yourself when a Cessna flying to Lubbock. Yeah. And then you just kind of like, well, I'm not going to look. I actually love that. You're like, I don't know. And then, you know, and then it's a fascinating. And then the UFO pulls up on your wingtip and formation there. And it's not scary.

Isn't it not terrifying? It's more like this crazy curiosity. Like, wow, look at look at that. it was I had no fear of it and thinking back I thought you know I don't know why I wasn't afraid of it but I think it was the voice it was the tour guide voice that kind of stuff if I hadn't heard the voice first I think I would have been scared

but the voice was so friendly I mean you just can't imagine this voice I don't know where it's saying if you look to your left you'll see you F oh I mean exactly like that he was being very dramatic It's like you're on the jungle cruise at Disneyland, right? Let's look over here and there's some fake hippos. Check them out. You got it. That's exactly right.

That's amazing. What happens next? So your electrical panel's down. This thing's flying at your wingtip. You're kind of looking at it, getting up to look at it a little bit. Now, I had taken off from Dallas about one o'clock. And I was supposed to be over to Lubbock to the Lubbock Airport, probably 2, 2.30, maybe if I was running really late.

And so the fact, dumb and happy, I'm flying along. This UFO is flying with me. And I'm saying, well, it's going to be good. I'm going to make it. I checked battery power, still had battery power, turned off the master switch, and just I thought, I better take advantage of this. This doesn't happen very often. You get to fly information with the UFO.

So we're flying along. This is interesting. From that point on, I kind of lose trouble. track of time. I thought I was flying at normal speed and would arrive at a normal time at Lubbock. But I flew along, and the next thing I knew, Lubbock was right here. It was just off my nose. And I thought, wow, I got here really quick. So I flipped on the power, turned on the radios, checked in with the tower at Lubbock, and had enough battery power to lower the flaps and everything. and made a good landing, taxied over the dealership, got out, and here came the aircraft dealer running across the ramp, and he is in a state, say the way.

He said, he is very angry. And he said, you were supposed to be here two or three hours ago. Where have you been? I looked at my watch, and wow, it's nearly six o'clock. I didn't have enough fuel to stay aloft that long. Wow. This guy was very, very angry. we walked into his office and I told him what I had brought and what I had and how we could unload

and so forth and so on. I said, I don't know why I'm late, but on the way here, I saw a UFO. And he looked at me like staring daggers and he said, I don't want to hear about you. If there's no such thing as a UFO, I don't want to hear about it. You don't mention a UFO again. And I said, okay, that's easy. Yeah, we got unloaded. Before I went to a motel, we got the airplane in the hangar.

I got a good nice sleep, came out to the airport the next morning, and I wanted to check on the plane, see if it was possible to get it fixed up so I could fly back to Sassna aircraft the next day. And I walked into the dealership and back into the hangar, and there were five guys stacked around my airplane. And they were up looking over, under, around them, through this airplane. And they said, you're Gary Stearman? Yeah.

What'd you do to this airplane? Nothing. It's just the electrical system quit. And there were four mechanics and an FAA inspector there. And they said, well, what happened to your airplane? Can't happen to an airplane. What happened to this airplane? I said, well, in the electrical system, I just shut down.

And they explained then to me that they had found the generator. drive belt in the bottom of the cowling and the generator was still locked in place and he said this this belt cannot have popped off of of the pulley that never happens and furthermore the belt lying in the bottom of the cowling is in perfect shapes it's a brand new the belt and what happened and I said well then I thought should I tell them and I didn't tell it myself all I know is that the red light came on I didn't have any electrical power, and I made it here just on magneto power alone. Okay. They were mad because they thought I had done something to this airplane.

I was in a rather confused state because in some way or another time had stretched, and I had gotten to the airport much later than I should have. And what was going on? To this day, I don't know, except that I do know this. I think that that UFO that came alongside me saved my life. I wouldn't be here today. He had not interceded in some way. Because I sensed nothing but goodwill and friendliness from this thing that was this beautiful ship that was flying along beside me.

And I couldn't explain to anybody exactly why I was late, what I had been doing. In fact, I was confused. You know, so I'd gone to another world and come back, and that's sort of the basis of the story. There are more details, but that's the basis. What do you think would have happened if the UFO hadn't come alongside you? I have come to the conclusion over many, many years of just thought, meditation, prayer, much study about the entire UFO phenomenon to understand the phenomenon of missing time,

which, you know, many UFO abductees report, and they discover that while they thought they had only been gone 10 minutes, they were on three hours or four hours. And so there's this whole missing time phenomenon, which I attribute to hyper-dimensionality, popping into another dimension and then coming back. And I believe that happened to me. I believe that this was an angel, if you will,

a guardian angel, who came, and sent me, but the other thing that happened is that from that point forward, my career path changed. I had been intending to spend the rest of my life in the aircraft business, and I was well positioned to spend the rest of my life doing it. I loved airplanes, love flying, and a series of events happened just after that that changed my life, and I became a, ultimately a past a Bible teacher and a Bible writer. I love to write on the subject of scripture and salvation and have written a couple of books in a number of articles for our magazine,

The Prophecy Watcher. And my life had just an incredible change point that I could attribute to that day. In a fraction of a second, my whole life changed. Why do people say UFO bad? Or most Christians think negative whenever they think these subjects? The Bible talks about principalities, powers, rulers, and darkness in heavenly places. And it talks about the sons of God who came down to the daughters of men and corrupted humanity in the ancient days before the flood. And as you read the Bible, from Genesis to Revelation, there's this backstory in the Bible of all of the sneaky,

demonic power structures all under the management of Satan are here 24-7 on planet Earth trying to undo what mankind does and not very well. In other words, they're trying to corrupt human beings. It's like like the book of Job, where the opening chapter of the book of Job has this scene where Satan and a number of his angels are gathered in a kind of a convocation, and there is a conversation between Job and God and the angels, and you know the story of the book. Satan has an everyday business of trying to undo what man is doing. And Job became an object lesson for humanity,

because the Lord allowed Satan to curse him, And then when you get to the end of the book of Job, there's kind of a little review. Now, here's what happened to Job, and here's what God does. And I'm going to explain a few things to you. And by the way, he asked Job a number of questions. I believe he asked Job 60 questions, having to do with the world, function of the world, the systems of the world, good, evil, all sorts of things. And from the book of Job and many other books in the Bible, we gained the knowledge.

that there is a constant, if you will, low-level war going on. Just out of our sight, sometimes we catch glimpses of it. And I think that some of the UFO apparitions in the last 50, 60 years, they're constantly reported. I think those basically are ships used in the fleet, in Satan's fleet, and they are opposed by angels. In other words, there's a, just as God told Job, there's a constant war. And that is the, if you will, the underlying story of all scripture. There's a battle going on. There are the good guys. There are the bad guys. And sometimes we get caught in the middle. Job is a famous example

of somebody who's caught in the middle, and he's used as an example to us about what can happen, what will happen, why it's happening, the nature of the war that's going on, and the end that will happen. I think very soon, I think we're at very close to the end game of this battle in the heavens. So, you know, it's difficult to focus down more than that, but I don't know where you want to go from here, but that's kind of the way I feel that these things are happening. Yeah. No, I mean, I think that a lot of times people, especially Christians, immediately have sort of a knee-jerk reaction that everything out there that they don't understand is bad. Yeah.

And that's a, that's a sort of this, this weird gray space that we live in a lot in our show is, well, you know, Gary, you have this instance where, you know, you think your plane's going to crash and, and then they have this crazy time slip. But if this thing doesn't come alongside you, your whole life doesn't continue and all the things that God has done in your life since then don't happen. And how do you explain that? You said this place was steps from the water. We just haven't found the steps yet.

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being pulled in two directions and then later on five, six years after this event that I was describing to you, suddenly it dawned on me that I was being directed in ways that I had no idea about. I was being directed into a pathway that would take me to where I am right now. And I was totally ignorant until much, much later, I thought back and I thought, well, thank you, Lord, I had no idea that you were going to pull me in this direction, but that's what he did. And then that day, when my electrical system failed, I became part of a, if you will, a battle in the sky. And the battle, thanks to that guardian angel. And by the way, one of these days, I look forward to walk you up and shaking his hand.

If you can shake an angel's hand. Yeah. and were you the guy who said if you look to your left you'll see a UFO and he'll say yes and he will laugh I think that's you know I know you were just making a joke but shaking an angel's hand is a great question like are angels flying these things and obviously they're building them somewhere and I don't think that they just materialize out of nowhere I think this is an actual craft I think angels are a physical being in their created state and I think that a lot of times as Christians we have sort this other view of these things. Like, an angel wouldn't show up in a UFO and talk to you and save

your plane. No, he would be some sort of ball of light that just can travel wherever and do whatever. And it seems as though we give too much godlike qualities to these, they're higher created order than us, but, you know, they can't just do whatever they want. And, but they do have this technology that they use. Do you believe angels are flying around and UFOs good, bad, and indifferent? Absolutely. There are evil, ain't fallen into that are flying around in some really nasty ships that do nasty things. The abduction is real. The UFO abduction has become quite the story in our era. And everybody tries to attribute it to visitors from Alpha Centauri or whatever. But it's that, no, no, there's from right around here. They are, they have slipped through the dimensions and they can come into our

our dimension briefly, do what they have to do and go pop back into their dimension. And that's the way they do their evil. You know, it's the, the Bible is a hyperdimensional book. You remember Paul, it said, I knew a man one. And, of course, he was speaking of himself, but he just framed the story. I knew a man once who visited the third heaven. And he went there and he saw things that are not lawful talk about, and he came back. And Paul was obviously talking about his own travel into another dimension. And when I first saw that, reading of the Bible, I thought, aha, it's all starting to click together. We do live in the midst of a series of interdimensional levels. We are on a particular level. We will not always be here. We'll probably be on another

level one of these days, I hope real soon will be in the level of heaven. But when Paul it was, and I've got my Bible here, and I thought, I've got to read this during this conversation. In Ephesians 3, verses 17 and 18, where Paul says, he says, I wish that Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith that you be rooted and grounded in love may be able to comprehend with all seeds what is the breadth, length, length, depth, and height, and to know the love of Christ. And Paul is fervent here. He's emotional. And he says, I want you to know about all of reality.

And people read over this, and what they don't notice is that he mentions four dimensions, breadth, length, depth, and heights. And the first time I ever saw that, wait a minute, there are only three dimensions, length, breadth, and height. Whoops, did I read that correctly? Yes, indeed. Bread, length, depth, and height. So Paul's talking about a four-dimensional reality here. We might say length, breadth, height, and time.

In my book, Time Travelers of the Bible, I investigated the whole idea that we live in a hyperdimensional reality. And the more you study it, the more you see it, the more you read biblical history, the more you understand. that what we think is like a 3D ordinary everyday world is much, much more than that. And as followers of the Lord Jesus Christ, we are ushered into this other world. And suddenly that fourth dimension becomes more and more real. And the closer we get to him, the more we realize, yes, we do live in a four-dimensional world.

And Paul described visiting the third heaven and coming back, and he described four dimensions. along with the love of Christ. And when you begin to put all these things together, suddenly you realize, wow, as a Christian, I am part of something huge. This is amazing. And all of these things that are inexplicable suddenly are beginning to make sense.

And that's where I am. And I'm trying to pare this down to a few words, but you can't. Yeah. Just a giant subject. I was going to ask you about that, Gary. When you're talking about your time slippage there, as you are, you know, go from the, from the UFO being on your wingtip to arriving above Lubbock.

And you talk about losing time. The first thing I thought of was the Betty and Barney Hill incident, which is one of these really, really famous, you know, UFO abduction stories where they have of this crazy time slippage as well when, and they have these memories of being abducted, etc. But what do you think happens there? So, I mean, you spent the rest of your life really contemplating these things, as you said. What do you think happens in those times where people lose time? like you did because you're you know you show up in your six at six a p.m. and you're three, four, three, two, three hours late. Where do you think you, do you think you slip into a different dimension?

Do you think it's a, it's sort of a manipulation of space time, if you will? We talk about dimensionality and quantums. Like what is what is your conclusion based upon having gone through this exact thing? Well, having thought about this a few years, this is the part of the story that I try to soft pedal because, you know, most people would say, oh, that's crazy. But what you know is that I thought I was flying for another hour, hour and a half to get to Lubbock, Texas. But the clock said, no, no, you were in the air for three, all three and a half hours. And I've never been able to quite figure out what the real time was because I wasn't looking at the clock. But I slipped into some other dimension for a while.

and then just as the plane reached my destination, Lubbock, everything went back to normal time again. I landed, shut down the airplane, got out, and I looked back to the east, maybe five miles away from the airport, and there was that guy, there was that light up there in the sky. Really?

Yeah. And before the dealer came out and read me the riot act, for being late. Yeah, I got out of my plane. I looked off to the, and there was the light. And I thought, oh, he's still with me. Gave me a really good feeling.

Like, okay, they're still watching out. And then as I walked into the office there at the airport, I saw this light disappear and went away. Okay, he's gone. That's good. I'll never see him again. No, there was no windows on this craft? Just the energy on the top is the only thing you really saw?

I saw a, actually, got an artist's conception and I wish I can show it to you but right here is is the way this thing looked it was a it was a disc shape yeah and bright spot in the middle and a a beveled outer edge and the top of it was light a pulsing light is all over the top of this machine there were sheets of what looked like light moving around and it was just gorgeous it was beautiful I couldn't take my eyes off of it and no fear whatsoever. Yeah. It's just I felt as calm as I've ever felt in my life and excited even.

And so obviously I did not meet the dark side that day. I think I met my guardian angel, if you will. And I believe I wouldn't, as I've said many times, wouldn't be your day if this hadn't happened. Because I think that something behind the scenes was trying to take me out. And I believe this guy came along and saved my life. And that goes along with a number of biblical narratives where angels intercede to save certain beings, human beings. I think one thing is interesting, too, from a practical standpoint, Gary, is that you didn't have enough fuel to be up that long.

So you had to go somewhere. I mean, there's no way. I mean, from a very practical standpoint, you're not going to stay in the air until 6 p.m. because you don't have enough fuel. So you had to go somewhere for that time. And it's, I always think the idea of space and time sort of. that concept is fascinating and you get to you actually live through through that experience which is which is it's incredible I mean it's incredible story that because the trajectory

you're like I mean as Nate said before and you said the trajectory of your life completely changes and you dedicate your life to doing the work of of the Lord and there's a seminal moment where you just turn from aviation to ministry and you can't help it you know is your conclusion is you can't help you'll come to include you're in a war and that you know that that god is as he does in the scriptures use his messengers that we call angels it's just you know to to intercede on on your behalf and well i was gonna i was going to say something about the the time slippage gary because what we've learned is they have sort of anti-gravity technology yes in some of these UFOs so i mean couldn't it be that that the time because you're so close to this

thing you they affect you know the gravity that this is you that it's a bending is affecting the time that you're in so it can because some people have said that you have they've had UFO abductions while they're in their car and it's like their car's moving but it's off it turns off it's like for that split second time is frozen when it's close to the UFO and then it's like which is how I think UFOs travel it's they're not going from point A to point B they're like moving through time almost. And that's why the G-forces don't kill the occupants inside the UFO. It's like they're, you know what I'm saying? It's like they're being pulled. Yeah. And not a little slight force. The 90-degree turns go up 10,000 miles an hour. Yeah. Which you can't do unless you are in another

dimensional modality that we don't know about as human beings. But I believe that that Jesus and the angels. If they heard this conversation would just be smiling and say, what these people don't know is amazing. And we operate by faith. We read the Bible and we read about people being ushered through time and space. Ezekiel, some of the apostles in the New Testament, all find themselves in different places with no explanation of how they got there. in a very short time. And so the Bible gives us a little hint that the 3D world in which we live, actually 4D of length width and time,

and to me time space. And what, again, I'm looking at Ephesians here, Chapter 3, where Paul says, I want you to be able to comprehend with all saints, what is the breadth, length, depth, and height, than to know the love of Christ. In other words, for those of you who have your ears open, there's a whole lot more here than you think. Yeah.

And my faith, you are gradually brought into the knowledge of this world, where you experience the blessing of God through Christ. And Jesus himself miraculously went places where you and I cannot get. like the time that he was taken a loft to a place where he could view the whole world. I don't know how that happened. I mean, I can't even imagine where they went and how they manipulated time space

so that they could look down and see the whole world all at once. But they did it. And by faith, I believe that. And look forward to the day when I moved into that dimension, just like Paul said. I knew a man once who went to 30. heaven and i can't tell you what he saw and uh but boy was it great you know yeah very because it feels like there's two there's two schools of thought right it feels like the uptick in UFO

experiences or sightings et cetera has gone up and of course we have we have the internet and everybody has a camera phone or everybody has access to it to a soapbox if you will on social media so the idea that we can disseminate this information and and consume it and understand there's these things are happening but do you think that's that's that it's increasing to a point where we will see these things, you know, as you and I see each other now, like in the sky, and we're going to reach that point where this ultimate battle at the end is fought technologically, if you will, with these craft, et cetera. Well, you know, it's fascinating.

I try not to calculate a date for the rapture in the church. But on the other hand, if you notice how many people are going around saying, Jesus is coming soon. Well, this involves time and space, coming soon. Well, when is he coming? Well, soon. Well, you can't name a date. Well, you can name maybe a certain Jewish holiday he's going to come on that day.

And you've heard all the calculations and speculations and so forth where people are trying essentially to guess what the Lord is doing with respect to what's happening on planet Earth. and we develop this consciousness that on earth we have a certain way that we calculate time in heaven they have a different way of looking at time because they have more information than we do and and yet by faith the more infused you become with the with the power of the Holy Spirit and obedience of prayer and fellowship with God through Christ and the more you move into this dimension, the more you understand that what we're experiencing on Earth is very, very limited compared with the reality of thing. And that really fires up your faith, as did me years ago when I realized, wow, there is something other than the dimension I'm experiencing. And that

was the day the door opened for me. And from that point on, it's been all studying scripture, praying for God's will, et cetera, et cetera. It's been a continuous growth, continuous, a widening of my perspective. Gary, what did your family and friends think after this encounter when you were talking to people? Did you tell people this story, or did you kind of keep it to yourself? for.

This is a really good question. I, when this happened, as I went, and I'll never forget this, flying from Lubbock back to the factory, Sessna factory, Wichita, Kansas, I, sitting there flying along, and I'm thinking to myself, some really strange things have happened to me. And how am I going to explain this to anyone else? And at that moment I said, Zip, I will not mention this, which I did not for about 10 years, literally didn't say a word about it. And then after about 10 years, I told one very, very close friend as a test to see how he would receive it. And then I went another 10 years.

And I told another friend. And it was about 30 years before I really opened up and told this entire story. and I've even made a recorded a DVD on what happened to me and the purpose of this is not to tell my story but to explain how it defines scriptural reality for those who may be doubters no more this world is an amazing place it is yeah yeah I mean that's that's a difficult part about our show as people sort of telling their stories to us but uh with you know one foot in, one foot out of like, I know you're not going to believe me. I know you're not going to think this is crazy. And I think for whatever reason we've created a space where people feel like, okay, all these other strange things have happened to people who've come on their show. And so

we feel like we can handle this now. Or at least they'll listen to me and give me the benefit of the doubt and say, that's possible. And I think of all the wild things we've heard on our show, I mean, this is, this fits right in, Gary, because so many strange things have. happen in the skies with pilots. Yeah. And people in, you know, in the Navy or the Air Force, there's so many strange things out on the water or up in the sky. And it seems like, you know, you have these places in the world where people just go from one, our world to somewhere else. Like, they go through, we just had a guy who's been doing the investigation on MH370, the flight that, the Malaysia

flight that just disappeared, basically. And that's what he's claiming is that there's this. technology where these things can open up and they can fly from here to somewhere else in an instant and you know it's that's you know the nice word for it hyperdimensionality i love that word it's just rolled off the tongue but here's a kind of a story and this is a true story i'll tell to you rather quickly kayak gets my flight hotel and rental car right so i can tune out travel advice that's just plain wrong. Bro, Skycoin, way better than points. Never fly during a Scorpio full moon.

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whatever you do with a little lake. It's a wonderful place. And on a particular evening, after the sun went down, there was a group of people on the shore of the lake. They looked out in the middle of the lake, and they saw a light, a big round white light under the surface of Lake Arcadia. And they were just fascinated. This was a group of about 20 people, and they were out there roasting weeds and doing whatever else they were doing.

And the light rose to the surface of the water in Lake Arcadia, and then it broke through the water and sort of came up out of the water, suffered for a little bit, and then it took off at great speed. And they all talked about this. What a wonderful sight. And as they're talking, the man comes walking down the beach, and he's wearing all white clothing

and he has a white beard and he's a really kind of an odd looking character and he walked up to this group of people at the edge of the lake and he said what you just saw is going to become more and more visible as time goes by and you don't have to be afraid this is just something that's happening right now

and he talked to them a while and sort of they said that he his motive seemed to be to cull everybody down in case they were afraid of what they had seen and after he finished saying this he walked on down the beach and just sort of went around a corner disappeared so happened there was a reporter from the daily oakland holland and that story got reported in the newspaper and it was a big front-page story on a monday and i don't remember the exact date

but the point is and that whole story has just one point and that that is to say that if you think that all there is in this world is your daily reality you are sadly mistaken yeah and who can believe this

a story of the daily Oklahoma that sounds a lot like when angels show up in the Bible say don't don't be afraid it's very interesting I what I love about your story Gary is that we've talked about this on our show a bunch like you know the idea that a lot of people to have UFO whether it be an abduction or an encounter there's a something nefarious and and and if demonic in nature if you will not that they're demons but it's evil and

and we've always contended that like this is the way that perhaps angels travel you know we talk about daniel 9 and 10 and the angel being held up by the prince of persia and you go well how does that happen if these things are ethereal and just poof wherever they want well that doesn't happen that way In fact, you wouldn't be held up that way. That doesn't actually make sense. And so to have a story like yours where not only do you have this intervention and it's a positive experience, but also that it changes the trajectory of your life and saves your life is this whole piece that we've been talking about in our show for a while that this, that all of the UFO experiences and phenomena can be explained by our Bible. and it can be explained by our biblical worldview and that our faith is not too small, but we just have built two small offenses around our faith.

But in fact, there is so much within the scriptures and in our faith that we believe in that actually corroborates the things that happen around and explains it. And yeah, I was going to say one more thing. I just think that there's this idea, I think, that if there is disclosure, if we are barreling towards this sort of deception, right, where the aliens show up, You know, we all, I just have to react to what you get. Everybody's read Ezekiel chapter one. Ezekiel's out there by the river and sees this fiery wheel come over,

it lands in front of him and seated under what appears to be a little, a beautiful canopy atop this machine, and it has to be a machine because the way he describes it, and up there is seated a man. Well, that has to be an appearance of a machine. of the Lord, the Lord God, lands in a machine. And, I mean, it's there for anybody to read. But here's what I want to say.

There are two places in the Bible, and you can find them with a quick glance through the Thesaurus, but there are two places in the Bible where it says, the Lord rides upon the back of the cherubim. That's the way the Lord gets around. And you can read it for yourself in the Bible. The Lord rides upon the backs of the cherubim. And so I was talking to somebody about this once, and they looked at me and said,

well, why would he ride around on the backs of cherubim? I mean, he's gone. Well. And my answer to him was because he likes to ride on the backs of the cherubum. And that's the answer. That's what he wants to do. He does it. Yeah.

We get this little glimpse of the other side. and the greatness of the Creator, God. And to me, this is the highest aspect of focus that you can possibly come to, trying to understand the Lord God, our creator. Yeah. He will take you to some strange places to bring you to the truth.

And he certainly did that with me. I love it, Gary. Thank you so much for coming on our show and talk about it. My last question is, When you've been up flying in an airplane, do you always get window seat from now on? No. You know, that's funny, uh, funny, uh, questions.

No, no favors. You're like, I'll take the, I'll take the aisle seat. I'm fine. I've already seen enough. I have to confess something going out here. And that is, it's very hard for me to talk about this because there are so many things going through my mind all at once that it's hard to focus down. But, uh, it, it, it, it was.

was a life-changing experience and I can only thank the Lord for having changed the vector of my life as he did to bring me into a place where I could tell people if there really is a God, he really is the creator, he did send his only-regotten son that if we believe in him, we're going to have everlasting life in the spirit. And this is the basic message. I love it, Gary, and appreciate it. I know. I know that. I know that. I know. that Luke and I, we've changed our opinions and we've accepted so much more as this show's gone on.

We started talking about Bigfoot and all the weird paranormal activities around that creature. And for some reason, you know, I think that we feel like sometimes a big part of what we do is trying to get Christians to open their minds up a little bit more to all the things that you talked about on this episode and to accept that, you know,

not everything that we don't understand is bad or evil or, you know, there's not just demons flying around in the sky. It's not just fake. There's, these things crash sometimes and people pick up the wreckage. And it's, you have to, you have to make room for it. And that doesn't mean that the things in your Bible aren't true. It actually helps support them and make them more true.

Yes. The more you make room. And so, you know, that's, this story is very important for a lot of people because I think it helps, you know, them go, okay. You know, I don't have to be fear-based about everything. You know, not everything is a lie. and not everything is a deception and not everything is out to kill me,

I could start to understand that there are a lot of things that just beyond the veil and like you said, maybe that veil's coming down and we're going to see a lot more weird stuff, but Gary, where can our listeners interact with you, maybe get the DVD where you talk about this

and buy your books and hang out with you? Prophecy Watchers.com. Prophecy Watchers is just as it said, it says, we watch the events, we analyze the events of daily life, and we analyze the words of scripture for one purpose, and that is to bring people closer to God through Christ. That's what it's all about, and to make it as real as possible, a lot of people say, oh, no, you know, the Bible, you know, all that stuff, yeah, sure, I go to church, but it's all pie in the sky by and by,

and I'm just going to live my normal life. And, yeah, let things happen as they will. And I'm sort of, you know, I don't want to get too close to all this because I don't understand it. And you've heard this kind of an attitude. When, in fact, that's what we're supposed to do. We're supposed to look into places we've never looked before and see the glory of God.

And it's unfolded bit by bit by bit, by, pit. I think you guys really have a good sense of that. You're looking in places where not a lot of people look. And that's great. And may the Lord bless your work. Thank you, Gary. Appreciate it. And thank you for being vulnerable and telling your story to our listeners. And I know it's not, you know, no matter how many years have gone by with a lot of these stories, it's still hard to tell. It's still, you're putting yourself out there and making yourself vulnerable. As we've learned on our show, people can be nasty and mean and just very skeptical. And they come. match you like oh this is all you know so we appreciate your your honesty and vulnerable vulnerable heart

to share that story with us on and we've been waiting a while so it it did disappoint definitely are one of the best ones we've heard well may the Lord bless your work may the Lord you too and maybe we'll talk again all right Gary great to see you okay you're welcome see you're welcome see you