Blurry Creatures - EP: 240 Wormholes with Ashton Forbes

Episode Date: May 22, 2024

We welcome back Ashton Forbes to embark on a journey through the speculative realms of wormhole technology. Ashton has led the investigation into the missing Malaysian flight MH370; his most recent conclusions are startling. Forbes believes that the video and satellite evidence and the physics of the perceived phenomena surrounding the last minutes of Flight 370 may suggest the missing plane encountered a wormhole, a hypothetical tunnel through spacetime, leading to its mysterious disappearance. Ashton makes a great case that this science explains exactly why we cannot find the vanished aircraft. What are the implications? Why do so many people refuse to accept that elites may control this technology? What does the science say about the plausibility of manmade wormholes? Support the show! www.blurrycreatures.com/members Socials instagram.com/blurrycreatures facebook.com/blurrycreatures twitter.com/blurrycreatures Music Kyle Monroe: tinytaperoom.com Outro Song: On the Run by TimeCop1983 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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What that means is the event horizon on the black hole is where if you go past that point, not even light can escape. There's too much gravitational effect. It means you're getting sucked in. There's no escape. In a wormhole, there is no event horizon. They're humanly traversable. That means the G forces don't rip you to shreds. It's just a phase transition.

It's a hole through, you know, the fabric of reality if you were to bend space time together. And there's several aspects of it that line up. People wonder, why is there this flash in the satellite video? It's because the photons, when they hit the wormhole, they get caught on the edge and they reflect outwards. And one of those defense intelligence data papers says it can even be amplified as well, which is why we're seeing this flash in the videos. And it also mentions there's a lensing effect that will occur, which is similar to gravitational lensing,

which is what happens when you have light pass around a black hole. And what happens in the final frame before we see the zap happen, we can see the plane blur and stretch a little bit. We can see all the orbs become perfectly flat, like gravitational lensing, because they're creating a field between them where they're about to induce the mouth of this wormhole. The history of our earth is so different from what we can imagine. Joy to join.

The Smithsonian, that if they found out about a large skeleton somewhere, was to go get it. I'm going to assume at least one person is right, because if one person's right, it's right to bust the paradigm. It all goes back to the fallen chair. And the problem with the modern day church, they have a very truncated view of the supernatural. This backdrop that's just pregnant with all kinds of meaning associated with the fallen church. associated with this Mount Herman event. And this guy defects from the kingdom.

That's a big deal. All right, welcome back to Blury Creatures. We got Ashton Forbes back on the show. He's been doing the investigative journalism on MH370, the flight that just went through a portal. And some people don't believe this technology exists, but we're going to talk about all the quantum physics on this one and just kind of how his own personal discovery of what this means,

for humanity, but also, you know, what this means for spiritual questions. And I think that's a lot of what we do on this podcast is we talk about things that are outside of the realm of possibility in terms of just your natural everyday thinking, like things like Bigfoot and UFOs and aliens and these creatures that exist. And then all of a sudden you start asking these more spiritual questions over, okay, if this thing's out there, then what does that mean? And it's one of those episodes where you know discovering this technology that these uh whether it's you know non-human entities or it's you know reverse engineered or whatever it is what they have makes you ask all these spiritual questions and i think that's why a lot of people are so skeptical some of the things

we talk about on our show and i and i love this though nake because you know ashton's been on this on this trail since these these videos surfaced and he's you know he's citizen journalist he's the guy that is the tip of the spear yeah and this is as i say on the show is one of the greatest mysteries I think of our time or maybe every how how a 777 disappears completely without being found without being that the expansive searches with the way that we have surveillance you know of every inch of the surface of the earth like we see our satellites that are part of our military part of our commercial part of our civilian part of the international community cover every inch of the surface of the earth and yet they this plane disappeared and this

is the enduring mystery and he's been on it. We talked to him in December, our first episode where he reviews much of the case. So if you haven't listened to that one, I'd go to that one first. You can kind of get a taste of what is, what Ashton's working on. He's on X or Twitter. He's doing his investigation in real time. He's had a lot of interesting discoveries since he, in December, said he was going to take a break from it, and he's back at it. But he's found a ton of documentation, a ton of science behind what he and everyone else is able to see on video of this plane disappearing on and then we addressed the his the debunking attempts on this but also the implications of what this may mean as far as technological advances exist in the military industrial complex in the black ops in the

in the in the defense contract areas of shadow places of of the u.s. government yeah and this is a wild ride and this get your get your science and your your your science cap on because ashton's going to jump into some advanced scientific principles and but this is all stuff that that has been around for almost 100 years or more yeah and yet we may be seeing all of this being used in real time as you know in this in this event and perhaps you know since yeah yeah a lot of a lot of weird stuff in this one and uh i know some of the sciences above a lot of people's heads but try to pay attention to uh just what this means and uh if you want to be a part of what we're doing here blurry creatures.com slash members.

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coming up uh august third you can hang out with us and i think sounds like ashton's going to be there talking about these things so lots of reasons become a member blurry creatures dot com is the hub and let's get ashton on this one all right all right we have to get in the podcast voice going here there you go right all right welcome back to the podcast ashton forbs we did an episode i think was episode 212, the Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, and we did a whole extensive interview on that, but that was back in December, and this is one of those cases where more information comes out every day, and I think a lot of people, you know, we just did a crash course the first time, so welcome back to the podcast, welcome back to Blue Creatures, and love to kind of get an update on where things are. As you know,

we like this when people are dedicated to like one rabbit hole, because Luke and I were in several all the time. And so it's hard to bounce back and forth. So it's good to kind of go back to talk to you about this because there's been so many updates and I know a lot of our listeners want to hear it. So thanks for coming back on blurry creatures. I'd love to hear kind of where things are and as much as you can remember kind of our last interview. And I know you've done a ton

since. Yeah. And I was going to say we talked pre-roll, Ashton. Because it was, this thing has spun back up. And I noticed, you know, from the peripheral that you're doing, you're back at it. So, and we were joking about how there was an article on Barstool that came out, I think, this week that was talking about MS370. And when we were talking about this last time, you went through all the really fascinating information on the satellite videos and the orbs. But I know a lot of new stuff has come out and even recording this today that yesterday you did a live stream where we released a ton of

new information. So, you know, what's kind of happened since, you know, in the past few months? Thanks, Nate and Luke for having me back on. I think we had a great conversation last time. We dug through probably a lot of the detailed evidence around the videos and some of the technical aspects. So one of the big things that have been happening, which is just kind of incidental, is that Boeing planes are just falling apart, left and right, everywhere we go. Like every single day, there's a new plane falling apart. And I think that people kind of look at that. And now they go, well, remember this 10 years ago? We had this plane also disappeared.

Wasn't that kind of strange as well? So part of that's brought it back into the zeitgeist a little bit and made people think about it a little bit more in terms of why may have happened to this plane. But the real thing was that, you know, like the additional attention. I had retired from the case on the 10-year anniversary. I was over it. I was over the toxicity. Everybody out there trying to call me a grifter or a liar or whatever, trying to, you know, chase from this case. And the truth is always been that I've just been a normal guy that saw the most incredible videos ever

and realized that I can't let them go because anything that more important, something is the bigger the implications are, the more we are, oh it, to look into it and dig into it. And we shouldn't just dismiss it out of hand. And the implications of the MH370 videos are potentially the most important, most important videos of all time. And the reason isn't just because there's this missing flight that mysteriously disappeared, which is just literally impossible. Plans don't just disappear in 2014. But it also then comes to the science aspects. Over the last five or six months, since we last talked in December, I've been reading scientific papers every single day. I have found more information about the science that's been suppressed from us than I ever thought was possible.

So last time we talked, I said, you know, I got into this related to these videos because if these videos are real, then there should be evidence, real world evidence around the plane and flight that kind of corroborates what we see in those videos. And there was more than I could have ever imagined. You know, we found out about this fire event and that there was all these witnesses that saw it. And then why, like, why would you cover up a fire event? And then I started talking to engineers and scientists, Salvatore Pius, who has these patents out there for high frequency gravitational wave generator, inertial mass reduction for a transmedium craft, piezoelectric induced high temperature superconductivity.

I started talking to my buddy Dave Rossi, who's a DOD contractor. And he's on the record. I took him to Tim Poole with me in January. He's on the record saying he's seen these types of effects in private lab. I talked to my friend, Dave, or Bob Greenier, who does low energy nuclear reactions. And all of these guys are saying that this technology is out there. It's not like magical technology that we can't understand. So I started digging into it.

I find Defense Intelligence Agency papers. These Defense Intelligence Agency papers are talking about traversable wormholes and stargates and negative energy and warp drive and dark energy and manipulation of extra dimensions. The Kona Blue document drops from the AARR. and it talks about dematerializing and rematerializing objects and other types of scientific concepts. So this is what's brought everything back into the limelight and is much quicker than I thought. Because I've always said if this stuff is real, then this science is going to check out. It may take years, but eventually it'll come into the fold.

And I think it's already starting to do that. Yeah. Are these docs and stuff you're reading it? Is this FOIA Act stuff or is this all available in the public domain? Both. So it was, it looks like they were FOIA. These were unclassified. and the dates on the documents are 2010.

Wow. And they're written for the Defense Intelligence Agency, which just fun fact, I don't know if this has been since December, but former director of the Defense Intelligence Agency is General Flynn. Well, he follows me on Twitter on X as well, like randomly out of the blue.

So I've got a general following me. I'm pretty sure. There's not a lot of people who are out there promoting hoax videos that have generals following them. That were former DIA directors. But these papers, when you read through them, they explain everything you see in the videos. And I'm just looking at them going, why do these papers even exist?

Yeah. And I start to think, like, maybe they just exist because we have this technology and we've reverse engineered, it developed, whatever. I don't know the nature of where it came from, but for plausible deniability. So then in the future, if this technology gets out, everyone's wonders, how long we had this? Why are we hiding this? And they go, oh, we weren't hiding this. We had these papers out there in 2010, you know, that ha-ha, ha.

So that's part of the craziest part. Now, before we get into all the science, though, there's some key aspects that we've been able to uncover that I think are very important regarding the technical aspects of the videos. One was that I found an old host on Reddit the day after the videos reemerged from somebody who claimed to be somebody who had worked with satellites that was also a pilot that worked in computer science as well and that they had a lot of years of experience working with it.

And they did a full technical analysis of the satellite video, including finding out that like one meter per pixel is consistent with what satellite capabilities have and came to the conclusion that what we were looking at in that satellite video is an authentic video, just that people don't understand because we've never seen satellite video before. So that post, and you can find it on my Twitter if people are curious, seems to indicate that the technical aspects of the satellite video are legitimate. It even proved that the clouds are actually moving. A lot of people don't think clouds are moving, but there you can see the clouds kind of the

wind shear on the top of the clouds makes the clouds just move and evolve naturally out there. Now, we also found in addition to that, that the lighting from the zap is accurate in three dimensions. And if you line up both videos from two different perspectives, you can actually see the same clouds and actually triangulate the position of the drone, which goes to show that what we're looking at here is not some 2D recreation. This requires a 3D rendered environment. And the reason why the people that are trying to debunk these videos don't want to admit that is because it's practically impossible for them to have generated a 3D render environment,

let alone the clouds. Making clouds in 3D dimensions is like the most difficult thing to make them accurate. The technical requirements to fake these videos is just beyond belief for the most part, especially in 2014, let alone 2024. And then we also found information about how the satellite video even works. So back in October, I deduced, well, this is some kind of like Google Earth video playback system because people were saying, well, why doesn't it look like the satellites moving? You know, and why do the clouds not seem to be moving more or whatever? And the answer is because we were looking at a computer-generated environment that's pulling satellite data all the time.

We found the cyber system that shows that. Well, somebody had pointed out that there's this software called QuickTrain Modeler. And so we go to the website and check it out. Turns out this software is used by all branches of the military, the DOD, and the intelligence community. It says right on their website. And so we're like, okay, well, that's weird because this is kind of what I've been saying is going on. So then we find these other documents that are out there. I don't have the link in front of me right now, but they're military documents.

One of them literally says that they integrate quick terrain modeler with Google Earth. That Google Earth, I think it was Keystone, was partially funded by the CIA. and apparently Google Earth was like at least partially funded by the CIA. And they actually integrate Google Earth with QuickTrain model to produce like tracking capabilities. I'm just looking at the going, well, okay, guys, I'm not psychic. I didn't go back in time after seeing that. So how are we deducing the real capabilities of our tracking systems? And then on the drone side, we found the actual camera, this West Cam MX25.

There's a video that was uploaded in 2015. That is a video from the year prior, like just a couple months after this plane disappeared. It's got a timestamp in the top left. And it's actually tracking a commercial airliner. And the movement of the tracking is identical to what you see in the drone video with the manual tracking of following the plane. Now it's in an optical vision, but we've looked at the capabilities and it also has color, thermal, night vision as well, all of the requirements that we need for the MH370 drone video. So just all of that, like I'm just looking at that. this going like, guys, what more do people need?

Like, this is... I love this because this is, of course, as an investigator, these are the things you have to do to prove. These are the exhibits to prove your case. And I think what a job you're doing. I mean, not to pat you on the back, but to pat you on the back to put these things together to make them all fit.

And then to verify, here's the camera, here's the capabilities. Here's an additional video that does exactly the same thing we do from a few months after, or this video did from the... same same type of technology from just a few months after the MH370 video. As you said, I don't know how you poke any holes in this. And then the cloud thing's fascinating. I mean, that's a really interesting thing, that that's the hardest thing to fake.

Even now 10 years later to make that look real and to create really a 3D world that you can then you can stitch two different views together, that's like, if you could do that, you got to be working for Spielberg or something right now because that is, probably even not even that, the CIA or somebody else who wants to fake a bunch of stuff, right? But that to me is nutty and just, you know, I know when we were going through it last time, there was a, there was a bunch of folks out to sort of debunk everything that you would found, especially those videos. And then, you know, you've got other hoaxers trying to come into the system and throw you off,

off base. And it's, uh, that's why, like, we had the $150,000 bounty for a hoaxer to come forward. And what I've told the debunkers, if you think the videos are fake, find the hoaxer. Like, that's all you have to do and you be able to prove it, to have them bring the source work that they used. I mean, this is master. pieces that have two perfectly instinct videos from different angles, which how many hoax videos have two videos from completely different angles, let alone from military assets, one of

which no one even knew about is still classified to this day. That's crazy. You know, and, and if I had thought there was any chance there was a hoaxer, I'd have been looking for the hoaxer because I would have taken $150,000. I'm, I'll take it. Yeah, we'll split the money, baby. So, and this is a thing that people say like, oh, well, this guy is just too down the, too deep down the rabbit hole, nothing could change his mind. No, I've set exactly what would change

my mind. You find the hoaxer and have them bring their source work to these masterpieces so we can get them a job at Marvel Studios or whatever out there, or find the plane. And at this point, though, finding the plane, like, I hope the CIA is out there dropping pieces of debris into the South Indian Ocean. Because otherwise, like, we got them dead rights here. This is more evidence that I would have ever imagined in my life. And I submitted this case to the AARO as well, the All Domain Anomily Resolution Office. So, I heard back from them in January. I had like an hour and a half phone call one night with a guy who I'm not going to say his name because the only thing he asked me to not say it was his name.

But he gave me his rank and name and everything like that. And, you know, he said, oh, well, we can track down if the videos are radio, we would be able to track down the leaker. I gave them Lieutenant Commander Edward C. Lynn's name as the leaker. Because if he's the guy leaked the videos, I mean, that's just absolute 100% proof right there. I mean, they can find out, look at his court case, figure out if this was the information that they didn't want to show the public. and they started ghosting me. Like, they started giving me, like, I would send an update reply, like, hey, where's my memorandum record?

You said you would get back to me like the next day, and this is now a month later. You know, that was back in February. And then I'd send them some questions like, hey, I found even more evidence. Like, can you answer me some pretty hard questions here? And I said, yeah, yeah, we'll get back to you those answers next week. And then another month goes by. Another month goes by. Finally, I get a response back from them, which I like to read because I think it's just

mind blowing. Like this, my opinion, this response should be probably one of the biggest updates ever in MH370, not just related to this case, but just in general. It said, Mr. Forbes, and this was April 11th, 2024 here, so this was over a month ago. This was the last response I've gotten from them so far. My apologies for the slow response is AARO is researching several topics at the moment. Some of AARO's initial research into MH370 has revealed the U.S. government's search efforts after the airliner disappeared from radar. I believe the genesis and authenticity of the videos may be helpful. Can you confirm the date the videos were posted to the Regicide and non- YouTube channel?

And yes, a quick follow-up call may be helpful. And since then, I followed back up with like four emails like, hey, guys, what's going on? Like, you want to talk to me more? We started learning about the science. I said, here's the information about the science. And Lieutenant Colonel Thomas Bearden. I gave him the quick train modeler, Google Earth. Like I'm literally staring at a screenshot that says interoperability with Google Earth,

QuickTrain Modeler, and other programs. also enabled us to build three D dimensional vantage points to gauge suitability of attack by fire positions. So we got the documentation that says like, this is how the stuff works and ghosting me since then. And it really makes you wonder like, what did they find that made them respond like that? Because otherwise they would just respond and say, we found nothing, you know. And I truly believe, and this is just my opinion, of course, that, you know, I probably red-pilled

that person who now was like, oh boy, like what? And they're being told not to respond because there's, nothing they can say. Like we've got so much evidence that they were to lie, I would just be able to pick out the lie. Yeah. Right. You're just, it's a ghost.

It's a ghost. They're gone. Oh, man. That is wild. For listeners, you know, I think that people who aren't up on this case, this means this portal technology is real. This, this sort of ability to send something from here to there without it going to the traditional means is a real, it's a real phenomenon.

It's really happening. And actually, it kind of reminds me. And I think maybe we brought this up in the last. But for years, I watched people like you break down the Patterson Gimlin film, that 1967 Bigfoot film. And they came up with all the same details. You know, there's guys that have devoted their life just to this, like, one film. You know, this like 60 seconds of this creature walking. And they analyze everything from the way that the hips flex, the way that the muscles and the thighs flex, they get down to every single detail.

The way that the hand moves and the foot flexes. when it's walking and it's proving where the knee height is compared to a human being. They sort of cleaned it up. They proved that this is not, this isn't a hoax. This isn't some guy in a costume. This technology didn't exist. So I, but they still, there's still skeptics, Ashton. So it doesn't matter how much work you do. There's just this part of humanity. The skepticism will, will stay. And you're sort of doomed the rest of your life. I hate to say it. But you're not going to be able to convince half of the people out there. No, so on that point, like I know, I'm never going to be able to convince everybody out there.

And I don't, and I don't try to either. That's why I'm not out there trying to change every single person's mind. The irony is that the debunkers say, well, nothing will change your mind. And I tell them exactly what would. And the reality is for them, nothing would change their mind. They literally don't matter. I've had several of them say stuff like that they, no matter what I say, they would never believe it, even if AARO came out.

And the debunkers are the ones that were, you know, cheering rah-rah when AARO came out and said, there's, we're not hiding extraterrestrials or other stuff like that. But if a. Arrow came out and said these videos are real, they would immediately do a 180 flip and say, no, A. Arrow's full of crap. Oh, of course, right? And now it's a sciop. They're just, that's 100%. This is the world we live in, Ashton, where even when someone tells the truth, it can't be the truth because it essentially destroys your paradigm and all of your presuppositions.

And I do love that, you know, and I point out to our listeners, again, that your intent here is to find the truth. It's not, you don't have an agenda. And if you could debunk this and say, hey, this is all a hoax. You would do that. This is the labor of love. There is no incentive in this sense for you to take all of the public hate and ridicule and deal with all the things you deal with in this case to perpetuate something that you don't

believe to be true. I know that for real quick as well. Like, you know, I'm risking my job about this. I mean, a decent amount of money. I have a good job that I do right now that I was had. And to show that I'm not even like a conspiracy-minded guy. Like, I'm not a flat earth guy. I've been arguing with the flat earthers because I've been.

I brought up that like, I think Tesla was right about the ether and they're like, well, that means Einstein's wrong. I'm like, guys, relax. I'm not a 9-11 truth or guy. You know, like, those people are mad at me too because there's a lot of crossover in some of this stuff. And, you know, I think it's fine. Everyone can believe whatever.

I don't go out there trying to like, you know, tell those people they're wrong or the flat earthers are wrong. I think it's fine. I can believe whatever they want. I'm also not a solar flare guy. The people that are talking about the solar flare is going to wipe us out every day, you know. I'm not into any of that stuff. For me, like, I just am interested in the science side of it.

But I'm glad that everybody. got their own things out there. And then quickly, I want to address a few of the debunks that are out there as well, because this is one of the major updates that I just spoke about yesterday. So I want to start with just the cloud debunk. There was this cloud image that came out in December. A lot of people are aware of it. It seems to have the clouds in there that match the clouds from satellite video,

but you have to like stretch them and reorient them a little bit. And right off the bat, the story makes no sense. Like some six-day-old Reddit account claims they spent 20 minutes on an obscure texture's website, and they were able to somehow, you know, pick out this cloud picture out of the hundreds and thousands of pictures that are out there, which is just impossible. But the strongest evidence against it is what I already mentioned

is that it require a 3D rendered environment in order to produce these videos. We have videos from two different perspectives. It was just one satellite video. That would be one thing. You could argue that, okay, yeah, they use a picture. But because of what I already mentioned related to the 3D lighting,

the clouds in both videos lining up, perfect synchronization of both videos, as well as the cloud. clouds moving naturally. It's not some smudge tool. Like the clouds are literally all over the place moving naturally and evolving naturally completely rules out a 2D picture being used. There's been a bunch of detailed forensic as well that claims that this was potentially used AI. And we found AI tool that can up increase the quality of a picture using AI in under one minute. We found another picture of Mount Fuji that's a literal perfect match that could have been

used. So there's a lot of reasons why the cloud picture makes no sense. And a addition to the fact that there's like an update date in the database the same time that the Reddit account was created that found it, which is not how databases work. Like you don't update your system and it doesn't update all the rows out there. So there's a lot of sketchiness that was going on with that cloud picture. But the most important part is it just can't be a 2D cloud picture in there. I also want to say at that point that I do have new, more additional prominent forensic analysis experts who are planning to help look at these videos as well to prove their authenticity,

because that's the level this is risen to now. And these are people that are generally skeptics as well, not people that are like true believer type people because they've seen the weight of the evidence out there. One person also had replied and said that they did this detailed analysis and said the only way that somebody could have created that picture is that they took the original videos, not the videos that were uploaded,

the ones that we're talking about for Regicide, but like the real government videos, which would imply that the government took the real satellite, videos, turned it into an AI picture and put it out there on someone's cloud on their thing to be found later on, which is pretty crazy to think about. But if you look at the Volt 7 WikiLeaks, it's actually possible. Now, real quick, the other debunks that are out there, I'm going to go backwards in relevance here. There's one of the claims that there's two frames that match.

They don't match. We've got detailed analysis that shows that, you know, if you perfectly overlay them and do this like reverse pixel comparison, they don't match. I don't know why people keep pushing and pretending like they do. There's one where jittery contrails debunk that Mick West is promoted, and that was proven to be an artifact of the stabilization software, because the smoke, in fact, it's not even contrails, it's smoke in the videos. It's too, altitude's too low for it to be smoke.

It's light blue, and the background's blue. So the stabilization software was seen the smoke as part of the background, and we were able to prove that because we converted it to black and white, where then the smoke stands out from the background, and the jitteriness completely goes away. And it's funny because that is actually real camera shake because when you zoom in with the drone, the camera's shaking and the shake increases.

So they were actually like fabricating a fake debunk to try to rationalize why there's like accurate real camera shake, just like if I were to zoom into my phone, something's really far away. Right, you're a little, just the jittering of your, the movement of your hand is going to make it, yeah. Yeah, exactly.

And that's the same thing that happens with these drone videos when they're flying around in the sky because there's, you know, some turbulence, even though they're very stable. And then the last one was the most recent one, which was this was the bombshell. I couldn't believe what just happened yesterday is that I was digging back through this pyromania VFX.

This is the video game stock effect that basically everybody has argued was like some perfect match to the videos. Started with a one-day-old Reddit account that posted it that seemed to remember having seen it. And then McWest promoted it. That's when the corridor crew, the lore lodge took that comparison and they claimed it as their own, said it's a perfect match.

They showed falsified versions of it, meaning that they should modify versions of it and claim that, oh, it's a perfect match. Once I modify and change it around, well, first of all, the one frame that is similar, which I agree is similar is not a match. If you look at the middle, it's not even the same. The edges don't line up, the way they need to line up. But what we found was that I went back through the history of it. And I went back to that old post on Reddit, went back to the link.

and I looked at the, they have these thumbnail images at the top that are of the pictures, still frame pictures of the assets. And I looked at the bottom right and I see there's the drones app, like the actual zap from the drone video, not the asset, but the drones app, the one frame.

And next to it is the one frame from the shockwave asset that people have claimed is a match side by side there. And I go, well, huh, that's weird. Why is this comparison out there on this, archive link. And I look at the dates of the archive and nobody had ever put this together, but this was uploaded January 25th, 2023. Well, the videos didn't reemerge until August of

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New customer offer for first three months only, then full price plan options available, taxes and fees extra, cement mobile for details. So what this proved is that somebody had planted this out there in January, eight months before the videos got big and had the debunk comparison already ready to go back in January. Nobody had ever brought it up. The icy slide account never mentioned this. McWest never mentioned this.

Nobody ever mentioned the fact that it was clearly planted out there ready to go. And I see that, I do a stream about it a few days ago. I made a post about it two days ago. And I'm going, holy crap, this proves that this was planted out there, that this had been set up. It wasn't a situation where somebody just found it in August when the videos got big. There shouldn't be a little box there that has the drones app in it with the comparison. So then the craziest thing happens. So a day goes by after I make that post.

I go back to make a follow-up post. And I go back to that link on the archive, mind you. This is the internet archive. It's not there anymore. It's gone. What? I look at it. I'm like, how?

I thought I was going crazy. I was like, wait, did I click on the wrong link? I'm looking back through all the links. I go to the Metabunk website that has the link to it where they're debunking the videos. Nope, it's not there anymore. And I'm going, somebody removed it. Somebody was watching. They saw that we caught it.

We saw that we caught them that shows that this was a pre-planned debunk well in advance. And the reason why this was important is that we wondered, How did somebody find this random asset that if you take one frame and, you know, line it up on the edge that it's similar to the thing? Well, it was already out there. That's why. Nobody did a reverse image search. It was already out there waiting to go. And when they got caught, they removed it.

They must have been watching the investigation, watching my live stream or my Twitter account. They saw that. They freaked out. We left something behind we should not have had on there. And they went and they removed it. I didn't even know you could remove stuff from the archive. that. Yeah. So this is where I streamed about it yesterday. And the best part was, so then I immediately asked people like, did somebody change this? Like I made a post about it. And J.K. Philly fan in my

Discord immediately goes and looks and looks at the history and sees that, yes, in the last day, somebody changed that image that has all these. It's like a collage of the different stock effects. Somebody removed that out of there. And now it's back to presumably what it was originally when they, before they superimposed that comparison on there. And the date. are damning. There's no update between January 25th, 2023 and May 16th, 2024. That was somebody going in there and backing it out. There's the biggest mistake they ever made because it shows that they freaked out.

It shows that the asset had been planned out there, months and months and months in advance. And it shows that they can also manipulate the Internet Archive as well. Who has to have, is let me ask you the obvious question then? The implications of this, who has the ability and access to do that? And apparently it's only the uploader can do that. Or, I mean, maybe people who are the intelligence committee can do that. I don't know.

But the big question is, why is anybody going to this effort? Who goes to this effort to have a pre-planned debunk eight months in advance just in case the videos were to ever reemerge? And, you know, nobody has ever had like this level of effort to try discredit and make videos ever before. Well, I mean, I feel like the same thing happened with several least famous. films in the past like I was saying earlier about this they hired this guy to come out and say oh he hoax the video and I'm sure sooner or later you're going to have somebody come out and say I'm the guy I created it and try to put this thing to rest because you've created so much so much noise around this and why do you think there is Ashton so much skepticism about these

videos I mean you know I would say in my in my mind that the Patterson Gimlin film changed my mind about Bigfoot. The, you know, building seven and the, and the 9-11 stuff changed my mind about 9-11 because it's, it's these, there's these few videos that, like, come out and you're like, and this one is something that grabbed your attention. And you can see something in these videos that, that you can't walk away from. But why is there's like this huge community of people who, who hate you because of it? You know, that's a great question, you know, is like, where is that come from? Because people don't act that way unless they have skin in the game, you know, is that, But like I said about some of the other conspiracies out there, and I do think the building

seven things is very odd. But I'm not big on to other conspiracies in general, but I'm not out there trying to attack people, probably prove them wrong. There's people literally paying hundreds, if not thousands of dollars to promote their content on X to try to discredit me, slander me, debunked videos, which is just weird, man. Really weird. But the answer I think that I've come to is that for a lot of people, this completely threatens their worldview. I don't think it's a majority of intelligence community operatives. I mean,

maybe there's some of that, but I think most of it is that it just threatens people's worldview. Because if something like this is possible, then people have to acknowledge that other stuff. Other conspiracies can be possible. You know, Mick West said it very well in his skeptical inquirer article that he wrote about the MH370 hoax, where he says, why did I get involved? because it started to get millions of views, which first of all, what? So you got involved because it got too much attention. That's pretty suspicious. Sounds a little grifty as well.

Yeah. And then he says, well, if people were, you know, if people were to think that this is possible, then they would think other stuff is possible, like stealing an election or QAnon. Those are actually quotes from his article. Yeah. And I go, well, there you go. That's them. They're projecting their own insecurities because what they're saying there is that if something

like this were possible, then they have to start acknowledging that maybe they're wrong about other stuff in their life. When we're looking at these videos, we're looking at a real wormhole. I can't believe I'm saying that, but it's a real wormhole consistent with multiple defense intelligence agency papers about warp drive, negative energy, traversable wormholes. You know, when we're looking at it, people wonder, what's the difference between a black hole and a wormhole? The difference is there's no event horizon on a wormhole.

What that means is the event horizon on the black hole is where if you go past that point, Not even light can escape. There's too much gravitational effect. It means you're getting sucked in. There's no escape. In a wormhole, there is no event horizon. They're humanly traversable. That means the G forces don't rip you to shreds.

It's just a phase transition. It's a hole through the fabric of reality if you were to bend space time together. Yeah. And there's several aspects of it that line up. People wonder, why is there this flash in the satellite video? It's because the photons, when they hit the wormhole, They get caught on the edge and they reflect outwards. And one of those defense intelligence data papers says it can even be amplified as well,

which is why we're seeing this flash in the videos. And it also mentions there's a lensing effect that will occur, which is similar to gravitational lensing, which is what happens when you have light pass around a black hole. And what happens in the final frame before we see the zap happen? We can see the plane blur and stretch a little bit. We can see all the orbs become perfectly full. flat like gravitational lensing because they're creating a field between them where they're about

to induce the mouth of this wormhole. So absolutely wow. This is why, you know, I think it's so important to look into these videos and this is why it's breaking everybody's brains. Yeah. Because the CNN brain people out there going, oh, well, CNN didn't tell me about this science. It can't possibly be real, you know, and you realize it's been suppressed. It's been suppressed in the open.

Like I told it said before, it's all hiding in plain sight. all the stuff that we've uncovered, all these papers. It's just all out there. This is Einstein Rosen. I mean, we're talking about, you know, Nathan Rosen and Albert Einstein hypothesized, what is it, ER equals EPR, if you're into the end of the sort of the equational stuff, that you can, that a wormhole is possible, be equanims and, and, uh. But this is, we've heard these stories a lot on our show.

Like, people be driving and then they'll be two hours ahead or they'll be on the other side of town. We've heard this many times. And we get stories sent to us all the time. And, you know, whatever, their stories. But this week we released a And I think it is this gravitational technology, Ashin, that

I sort of challenged our our guests a couple days ago because he was saying this is a dimensional thing. But I feel like, because he said his airplane was he was flying and I think it's relevant to what we're talking about. And then this UFO came up, flew right next to him.

And he says, you know, it helped him land. And then he had a two and a half hour, three hour time gap. between, he didn't have enough fuel to get to, to get to where he was going. And then he lands, and he says everyone was pissed at him because he was like three hours late. And he's like, well, in my mind, it was only a couple minutes. And so something happens when this grab, this, these, I think we've reverse engineered some of this gravitational technology. And when

it, when it's powered on, it can affect time. It can affect space. And I, and I wonder, basically what you're saying is this plane is, is, is, is, it's, is, It went from here and it's still it's still somewhere else. They parked it somewhere or they hit it somewhere. It didn't just go from here and then it's never. It went from somewhere in the world to another place in the world. It's what you're saying. And those people could be alive.

It didn't go to like some other dimension and it's gone forever. Or it did, or it didn't come back. So you sort of have to deal with that. But what it seems to me and just sort of listening to you and watching your work is that, and what they was saying as well, When I say we, humanity, and probably in the form of our governments and also the military industrial complex, so these defense contracting companies that aren't under a jurisdiction of our, they're sort of not under the, they're not under Congress oversight, if you will, have

access to or the ability to and have technology that we can't even, maybe even imagine at this point, especially, but now we've seen. And so this is what's so interesting about this is that. the debunking makes sense if you're trying to hide the fact that you have a bunch of, you have this sort of technology. And it's not, and it's not alien, if you will,

and I use that in quotes, right, but the idea that, that we can trace us directly back to a, a military asset that's watching this happen. And then, you know, as you said in the last episode,

it's almost like they were like, okay, mission accomplished, let's go get lunch, right? The camera just stays on. It's really, this is really fascinating sort of scenario.

And I know you've been diving deep in the science, but, what initially my thought is like they there's a science that exists and it's been high it's been hypothesized by you know great great map petitions and and and physicists like like Einstein and Nathan Rosen but this is actually not just we've gone from the realm of of theory to it would appear to the realm of reality and so what else do you what else have you discovered as far as this because you know what Nate said like in that story with with Gary Stearman and other stories, there's this time slip, but they end up where they were going.

He was flying to love it. He just ended up three hours late with not enough fuel and somehow got there. And then we've got guys that have sort of these, they believe to be UFO or alien abduction experiences and they lose whole tracks of time, but they stay on track. They don't flash and then are gone and there's no plane for now 10 years, which is a different, really different scenario. Yeah, great, great points. And time dilation is real.

So if you watch the movie Interstellar, you learn about it. That's when I first learned about time dilation. I went, wait, what? Space time is a fluid. It's, and it can be manipulated. And when you start to realize that space and time are one and the same, which means distance and time are interrelated, then you realize how something like what you guys described,

missing time can happen. Because from your frame of reference, like for imagine if you were to go through a wormhole or if you were to achieve superluminal faster and light speeds, you're going to experience a time dilation effect, which means for you, it's like going through a door doorway, you're just on the other side. From your time perspective, it feels like no time passed. But from the perspective, the people, the outside observer, from their frame of reference,

you showed up a few hours in the future, a few minutes in the future. This is a real proven thing. And if you think about it, when you have those types of extreme events, then people go, oh, what about the show manifest? Is the plane going to show up 10 years later? Well, I don't think you're going to have that extreme of a time dilation effect. But it wouldn't surprise me if there was a few minutes or even hours that went by when this plane goes through a wormhole. and appears over here somewhere else. So time balance is absolutely real. There was even like a 1970s case that was very similar to what you mentioned around that

pilot where they got somewhere faster than they should have been able to, given how much fuel they have. And there might be like these type of gravitational anomalies that are just in the sky that due to the Earth's magnetic field and specific solar conditions that make that happen. I don't know. Yeah, I was going to ask you if you feel like that it can happen in nature sometimes randomly because so many stories would suggest that you could drive through some sort of portal, not even know it's happening.

And then you're like, wait a minute. How did we get here? Yeah, to a minor degree, I would expect it's maybe possible. Again, I don't know for sure. But when I see it in two military videos, like the highest quality videos that are in thermal that show the heat signatures of the orbs, then we can actually start to explain some of the science. But before I do that, a lot of people say, where the plane go, you know? And I think the plane, they think they warp this plane to the west.

And the reason why we can figure that out is when we look at the plane with the orbs spinning around it, if you look at it from the front of the plane, the orbs are spinning around in a clockwise formation. So if you take the right hand rule, pointing vector, and you take your curl is your fingers on the inside here. This is your magnetic field of the orb's curling. And you take your electric field or your electric and it's going downward. That means the vector potential is going to be our thumb,

which means it's going to be going backwards, based on the orb spinning around it in that clockwise formation. And we can tell that's what happened because when we look at the frame right before the zap and the frame as the portal wormhole is opening up, the plane's pulled backwards slightly. We can see the tail sticking out of it a little bit. So if we can then look at the coordinates in the satellite video,

we see that the plane is going to the east based on the coordinate shifts. Well, backwards then means to the west. If you look at a map and you go from the Nicar Islands and you go compare to the Maldives, That's to the west. And in the west, we have a B-Triple-7 fire suppression device that washes up there, like 10 days, 20 days later or less. And it had to be empty, because this is like a metal cylinder

full of fire suppression halon-1301, which is we've predicted this fire event. There's 20 islanders that see the plane flying low in the early morning hours. And these are people that don't see jumbo jets. They can see the windows in the plane, the red and white stripe of Malaysian Airlines, all get dismissed because they just think it can't be possible.

Well, it can be possible if we have a plane that's going from over here to over here. And keep in mind, we have 19 phones still ringing, where the families were begging the government to triangulate the phone positions because phones don't ring if you're in the middle of the ocean or if you're underwater or if your phone's dead. So we do have evidence that would say this plane didn't go to the endromeda galaxy, didn't go to the moon, didn't go to another dimension. Wishing you could be there live for the big game,

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I think that explains why the whole case of the UFO phenomenon in general. You know, you hear like Joe Rogan and Tucker Carlson, these people talking about, they're trying to figure out what the UFO phenomenon is all about. The reason for the disclosure and the obfuscation and the trying to convince everybody is all about aliens is because we have magical technology that they don't want to reveal because it's a national security issue. I know for a fact that there are very powerful politicians that know about this technology and they know about these videos. I've seen it for myself. I can't post it, but I've seen it for myself. Now, the science related to it, like you mentioned, ER equals EPR. Luke, you really

impressed me there. You're the first podcaster to bring up ER equals EPR. I like quantums, bro. I think it's so fascinating. It breaks my brain a little bit, and I don't really understand it, but I know that space time, I've looked into the Einstein Rosen and what they proposed. And yeah, so I'd, every once in a while, I'll deep dive on it. Well, Ashton, so, I mean, based on just loosely, like what we hear on our stories, that's kind of how my mind works. Do you believe still this is like a government reverse engineered technology? Maybe they're, this is the government's way of doing this, whereas maybe some other advanced tech has different ways of traversing. Because it sounds like these UFOs, they can just do the same thing.

It's almost like a built-in feature. This is like air conditioning for them, right? They can just kind of go to and from. But this isn't like a UFO event. This is something that we were testing out our technology maybe on this aircraft. Or any other updated ideas of why this flight specifically? Yeah, great questions. And that's the big questions that I've been wondering in the background.

So, of course, what I'm going to say is speculative based on my own research. But, you know, last time we talked, I thought this has got to be reverse engineer technology. Now I'm not so sure anymore. Now, like, the more I learn, the less I know. It's like I look into it and I realize, like what Luke was talking about, you know, so ER equals EPR was promoted by Juan Maldesina and Leonard Suskind back in 2013, which is the idea of a wormhole is equivalent to quantum entanglement, and that this is how we can unify the theories out there.

Absolutely think that's real. I start digging back to the history of all this stuff. I think that in order for a lot of this to be possible, we need an extra dimension, which would be, I'm bringing back the ether. It's just a cool ass name. Tesla talked about it. Kaluza had promoted this idea of that's how we can unify electromagnetics and gravity back in 1919. That's over a hundred and five years ago. This idea was out there. And that the idea of the ether is this idea that.

And they didn't like it back then either. they did like that knowledge of being being being they were trying to suppress his knowledge back then you know yeah and so we uh you know that that now we talk about the quantum fluctuations in the vacuum and the virtual particles and it's just the ether with extra steps i'm just being honest with you guys because imagine that the ether is the fabric our reality is painted on the reason why we don't see it is because it's a self-correcting mechanism that just constantly close itself up it's a pressure differential between our reality and the underlying ether. And so if we were to rip away at it, what's going to happen is going to close up right away,

unless we keep that energy level required in order to keep it open, just like a wormhole has been speculated. And that the ether represents unlimited negative energy because of that reaction, because that reaction is automatic, that closing up of supposedly, you know, the wormhole. So for me, I thought at first, it's got to be reverse engineer technology. And now I'm going, well, how long have we had this? And I look back to find the Philadelphia experiment. That was 1943.

That was before we even dropped the atomic bomb. I think that that's when we accidentally figured out that if with the right electromagnetic forces, you can actually bend space time and that we've potentially been trying to develop it since then. I think that technology we see in these videos with respect to creating a wormhole is probably based on the scientific papers, early 2000s-ish, wouldn't surprise me if it coincides with quantum computer development. because when we look at the orientational's orbs spinning around the plane, like that is,

nobody's flying in that. That's like a computer program or some kind of controlled automated mechanism in there. So the other things that I found out related to this were Thomas Bearden, who goes back to the 80s, and he talks about this idea of scalar physics. So we messed up. All the textbooks in the United States are wrong. I'm going to go ahead and just throw that out there. We're tracking, bro.

We're tracking. Because what happened was we took Maxwell's equations. He had 20 equations. They have a scalar potential in them. And Oliver Heaviside came in and reduced them down to just four equations. And when we did that, they just set, I think it's, I'm going to say the name wrong, but basically we got rid of that extra scalar potential. And what that meant was people thought, well, the scalar potential is nothing.

But there's a quick example that I can show you that shows it's not nothing. What is a scalar potential option? So I take this rubber band. And I pull equally on both sides. the physics would say the forces canceling each other out so that there's nothing left. The rubber band's not moving left or right, therefore there's nothing left. I pull twice as hard, the physics would still say it's nothing left because both sides are canceling each other out. If I pull super hard here, this rubber band's going to snap.

But technically, the forces are canceling each other out. But why is the rubber band snapping? Well, that's because there's the stress in the medium of the rubber band, just like if you were plucking a guitar string. What is the stress in the medium of space time? Gravity is. So when we rewrote the equations, we wrote out gravity manipulation. We said, well, we just cancel the force out and nothing's left.

But there isn't nothing left. The scalar potential is the stress in the medium. Gravity manipulation. That's what we lost. Anyone can go back and check this themselves. They can go look at the numbers. They can go look at the equations. Thomas Bearden talks about them all the time.

I'm looking at a paper in front of me right now from Hal Poodoff, where he's talking about it as well. This is what we forgot. It allows everything that we're doing right now. The simplified equations allow for all. the electromagnetic stuff that we see, streaming, you know, people watching this right now. Yeah. It just loses the capability of gravity manipulation. So this is what we've been hiding.

There's a lot of people out there that look into Thomas Bearden and they're realizing that the science he was promoting is real and that, you know, some people are doing earthquake stuff like Dutch sense out there. My other buddy into thin air is doing like looking at weather manipulation because these types of things are can actually, you know, mess with the ionosphere do really, really. So like harp? Is that like harp? Like harp as well.

And it comes to this idea of what you do is you can cancel out the electromagnetic wave. So if you create electromagnetic wave and a perfect opposite of it where the net forces are zero, like we pointed out with the same thing as with the rubber band, then what's left is you have something that's left that can't be detected using an EMF reader. But it's not that there's nothing there. There's still that scalar potential. And if you can create a scalar beam and shoot that out, it looks like there's nothing there. But if you take two of them and you interfere them in an.

interferometry zone, then you have constructive and destructive interference. And what happens is you can produce energy at a distance or absorb energy at a distance. Thomas Bearden called it a cold explosion. When I saw him talking about cold explosions and scalar interferometry like that, I went, holy crap, we're looking at it in the MH370 videos. A cold explosion is an endothermic event. We're looking at that cold absorption of energy in the drone video. We're looking at what Thomas Bearden talked about. That's right. Yeah, because it's thermal. So I'm going to remind you what you're talking about is that the video is thermal. So you see that the place the plane is heading is super cold.

Yes. This is why because it's absorbing the energy from one location and it's going to reappear somewhere else. A wormhole. Yeah. That's wild, man. And then just, I mean, to recap, all those equations existed and then they were. They were reduced by all of the heavy side. Yes.

To the point where you don't have, you remove essentially the key element to the tech. And this is why we can't figure it out. This is why we can't unify the forces because the textbooks are wrong. People are learning incorrectly. They're not realizing that this is all out there. And this is what's blow my mind more than anything because I love science. And I started finding this. And I see Thomas Bearden was talking about this in 1985.

His videos are incredible. He's speaking off the cuff deep into the science. He's a lieutenant colonel. He was an engineer that worked on the private labs. He talks about that ether being real and that Tesla had measured the speed of light going faster, 50 times a speed of light in the ether. He says he's seen in private labs going at least eight times a speed of light. This answers all the problems. Like the ether is the answer because in the ether, the speed of light is no longer constant. The speed of light only goes to the speed we see it

because we're in the medium all the time. Yeah. And we say, remind us what you're saying about ether again, Ash. And that's just another term for another dimension for another dimension for a dimensionality. Yeah. And it's not bizarre a dimension. A lot of people are in the different bizarreo dimension. No, no, it's just the underlying framework of our reality. So if I were to take, this napkins kind of, but it's the same thing as what we need for a wormhole. It's like, why can we bend space time like this? Because there's an extra dimension. So what we're doing is we're bending the interaction between our reality and the ether that's out there. Using gravity. Yeah, exactly. And this explains because gravity itself is just the interaction between the two dimensions.

Gravity is not this thing that you is, that we can, you know, some kind of force that's constantly just in our world point out. It's the interaction, the negative pressure, between the ether and our reality. And this explains the Big Bang. People say, well, in the Big Bang theory argues that the universe expanded faster in the speed of light. Well, how is that possible to speed of light? It's the speed limit. We know there must be a way.

And the answer is because you can imagine the ether. And then you can imagine this big bang of mass of our reality expanding out into it. And that's the idea of dark energy. They say the dark energy is the reason why you can have this expansion faster and speed of light. Well, dark energy is just negative. energy, which is what the ether is filled with, negative energy. And that's exactly also what we need to create a wormhole. And I'm pretty sure this is an all just a coincidence.

I'm pretty sure this is going to end up being the answer to dark energy. And that when we can prove that we can create a wormhole and teleport an object, that this will all end up being proven. Now, lastly, as well, so Thomas Bearden, you know, he, I don't think he had quite envisioned the level of technology we're seeing right now, but he talks about phase conjugation. And phase conjugation is this idea where a phase conjugate mirror, this is the analogy I'll give you guys. If you look at a mirror, depending on the angle you're looking at, like if I look kind of down on the mirror, I can see the bottom half of my body. In a phase conjugate mirror, whatever you're looking at, the light reflects directly back at the source, even at an angle, which seems like magic.

And what that means if you were looking into a phase conjugate mirror, the only thing you would see in the mirror is your irises. you wouldn't see any of the rest of your body. So it means the wave propagates directly back at the source no matter the angle, which is very weird. But this is what you can, what you need in order to create these types of scalar beams, scalar waves, scalar potentials to transmit them,

and that you can use a laser in order to accomplish that as well. Now, phase conjugation is what we're seeing in the videos. Thomas Bearden even mentions it is that you create a zero point system. A zero point system is like two vectors that are canceling each other out. Same kind of idea that we have with the rubber band, but just the opposite. But he says the other kind of scale, zero point system, it doesn't have to be a line like this. It can be a triangle. An equilateral triangle is a zero point system because if all of your orbs in this case are aimed at the center of the mass of the plane, the net force is zero.

Exactly zero. So what we've got going on here, one could argue, is a scalar interferometry that's occurring, which is that you have, instead of like two radars on the ground shooting up and creating a cross-section or two satellites shooting down creating a cross-section, you've got three orbs in a triangle formation creating a cross-section directly at the center of mass of the plane. And what are they doing? They're creating a force, a bubble around the plane. And that's why they're mapping the plane when you see it circling around it.

They're trying to figure out exactly how strong the force has to be to create that bubble around. They're acting as the pump waves, the phase conjugate pump waves. I need three to make a triangle. You need the three orbs and three. And that's the minimum number you need to create a two-dimensional shape in a three-dimensional space. If it was two, it wouldn't work. Three is the minimum that you would need.

And when we look at it, it's a three-phase, zero point, 120-degree electrical system that people pointed out. That formation is consistent with electrical engineering. And when they converge, it's something called Kulam's Law, which says that the electric force increases exponentially as the distance between the charges converges, which is what we need to create a force that's so powerful that it can break through something called the Shwinger limit,

where spacetime becomes nonlinear. I would argue that the space time becoming nonlinear is just another word for puncturing through the reality to the ether that's out there. It's called the Swinger Limit? You can go look it up. It requires a... We are an 80s show, Ashton,

so it makes you think of Wayne's World right away. That feels like what I've sort of imagined over the years listening to just the UFO stories. It's like they poke a hole in the ether, and then they're just being just enough energy to be sucked into it. And they're almost moving through time. They're not moving any way that we understand

how things move in our, sort of our dimension. Kind of the energy that they're just pulling out of nowhere. They just, it's just right there. It's that free energy concept that you've been talking about. Is it as much as where, as it is when? We've talked about that in a before, like the idea that it also, when also matters when you start to manipulate these things

because it changes. But they're being sucked into it, not being thrusted from behind. They're not being pushed in. They're being sucked into it. Well, this is the Bob Lazar thing too, right? So if you ascribe to anything Bob Lazar says or what he reported, it was that the UFOs that they were purportedly working on were all powered by

anti-gravity, essentially a gravity manipulation drive. Yeah. Instead of being pushed, they were pulling, which is what I was thinking about if we're talking about this because it's a manipulation of gravity. And so you're creating. this field in this sense of the way they talk about these things flying where you're you're being pulled by gravity instead of push but then it's it's interesting because all of this hinges on gravity

and what you were talking about is they just pulled that out which is really interesting to me and i and i have a billion questions i want to continue on the science because i'm just like if we have this and i don't want to jump ahead but like what are they going to do with this like besides disappearer 777 it feels like such a yep so hold that thought for a yeah yeah i'll explain that there's three different types of propulsion that can come from this too, which are all relevant to the UFO phenomenon. One is just EM drive, which is the idea of just pushing off the vacuum state where you can create a propulsion mechanism. So I think Charles Bueller was just in the news recently talking about this EM drive and then we can create this anti-gravity effect, et cetera. So that's like Star Trek

impulse drive, which is like you have this ability of no propellant coming out that you can just push. And so you can imagine if you're looking at a UFO floating, that's what it might be doing. because it's not disappearing or whatever, it's just floating freely out in the sky. We can't really tell how. The next one is warp drive, which is what we see the orbs in the MH370 video doing, which is they're creating space in front of them

with those dark lines. Like imagine, like, you have a rug underneath you, and you're pulling the rug, and you're not moving. It's just the rug is moving, you know, or something equivalent to that. They're doing that with space time itself. This is warp drive. This is Alcouberry warp drive, just like Star Trek.

It's Gene Rodenberry. Yeah, it's Gene Rodenberry. And people said that he, got told like information about this. So I mean, really makes you wonder. Bro, I need this. This is up.

But to say, we could put our tinfoil hats on and be like, he knew about all this somehow. Yeah. And then the last one is, uh, wormholes, which could do the phase conjugation event,

which is where you're literally breaking through the fabric of reality and, you know, creating a tunnel between two points. And then your phase conjugate event, like you have the three orbs converging, creating this, this,

wormhole, but where's it going? Well, then you have a fourth orb somewhere else over here. And so you take your fourth orb and you shoot a beam, a phase conjugate beam at the interferometry zone. And what happens? It creates a perfect reflection straight back,

snaps it over here somewhere else. This is the idea of what Thomas Beardom promoted. So I'm arguing that all three of those things are possible. And what does that mean, like you just said? Well, the answer is that means that free energy is possible. I mean, just first of all, like where these orbs are even getting energy from, they're getting it from the environment. And if we can actually manipulate the ether,

which if you look into the Kazimir effect, The Casimir effect proves that we can see negative energy. We take two plates and put them next to each other. You get this repulsive force. This shows that there is, it's like an ether out there. The physicists would say, oh, it's the, the virtual particles are coming in and out of existence or whatever. No, it's just the ether. It's showing this pressure that it always exists out there.

And if we can then manipulate that and use that, that represents free energy. If you can scale it up and you can tap into the ether, so to speak. That's Tesla. This is Tesla. This is why these people say he was killed. Right? I mean, this is like, or J.P. Morgan, you can't put a meter on it. Yeah. You can't. Yeah. And that's what this all leads to. So that's how huge implications of this are is that you realize,

like this was the plot of the fallout show that was just on, I mean, spoiler alert for everybody out there. But they talk about free energy and you realize the huge implications. And this starts to make you understand, like this is why they're covering it up. It's bigger than 239 people on port an airplane. Although my heart goes out to the family members of those people who disappeared. I don't know if they're alive or not. I truly don't. But this goes so much bigger than that.

Because even warping an object, even gravity manipulation is huge. But what's bigger than that is free energy for the world. Like that change absolutely everything out there. That's freedom. It's freedom. Yeah. There's no more. You can't enslave people that need to pay you for something that you can have the switch for or the governor for all the sudden.

Well, what makes me think this is more in the. you know, not human technology that's been reverse engineered is that if it was some sort of government experiment, you think they would do this somewhere in the desert, you know, in a covert setting where they sent some government plane through a portal just to kind of test it out. This is a civilian plane. It's really strange that this technology would be used on this unless there's some sort of... I can answer that to. So that's a good question that people want to know about is why this plane, why a commercial airliner? Well, the 20 free-scale semiconductor employees. The two things that stick out on this plane, the 500 pounds of lithium ion batteries that have been outlawed in passenger planes and the cargo base that you got way too much

and they're right next to the electronics bay, which is the last place you want them to be. And the 20 free-scale semiconductor employees that are on board of this plane that have been connected to a national security agency, 2005 report, about commercial emergence of superconducted microchips, which are used in every advanced technology that's out there. And they're all sitting next to each other, way too many people on one plane.

Eight of them are Chinese nationals working for an American company. The number one target for espionage and intellectual property theft is foreign nationals that work for American companies. China steals 600 billion per year. So while I do this, this is a message. This is a message to our adversaries. What's the point of a super weapon if no one knows you have it? Right.

Well, that was going to be my question, Ashton. Okay, yeah, the showman, we're not admitting to it. But if we have all this, are we using it right now? like to because this is this is the trump card if you will like we can do all this and we i mean you know i'm not saying i'm saying the government because i'm not saying this is the american people you know we need to hopefully getting woken up to this the same we have whistleblowers that are in a lot of these things this is a that sort of situation but you know our is our government and the u.s. government using this to manipulate geopolitics now or do you think we're just sitting on it other than

this this video which of course plausible diability and there's this huge international event, where everybody goes, looking for the plane, et cetera. Do you think we're using this now? It's in operation and sense to manipulate

the international stage to the druthers of whoever is behind this? I don't even necessarily think it's, I don't think it's really, personally, are elected officials so much as it is the, the unregulated factions of,

of our, the covert administrative elite, so to speak. Yeah, exactly, right? People say the deep state is one of those words, but it's all the places that can't be governed by the will of the people. It's not. Yeah, and this is why, like, the Congress and their UIP hearings is never going to uncover anything.

100% of nothing. This stuff is hidden in private contractors and through three-letter agencies and very compartmentalized, and the amount of people that know is much smaller than people think. The engineers, like, are never going to come out. Bob Lazar come out and said that he wouldn't go whistleblower again because you got to work with magical technology. This is how it gets kept hidden.

Semiconductors and plasma physics are the secret to this. I couldn't believe it. Go look at semiconductor stocks over the last five or ten years. It's like this. And China just invested like $140 billion in this. Why do people think that the United States hasn't been directly attacked? Because we have super weapon because we sent a message to Putin and Z, sorry, from butcher in his name, China and Russia to say,

Like, if you mess with us, your plane is going to get zapped out of the sky. We have an unstoppable super weapon. We can destroy you any time we want. People say, well, why don't we use it to have Ukraine win the war? The point of the war in Ukraine is not for us to win the war. No, of attrition. It's not meant to be one. It's meant to be persistent.

Like every other war, like Afghanistan was never meant to be. These are, exactly. This is all about economics. Oh, as always. It's always about it. And so why do you think that China and Russia are, you know, working together as well. They just, you know, they were just hugging on TV or whatever yesterday.

And why do you think they're investing into this technology and semiconductors so hard? It's because they're trying to catch up. Like, we leapfrogged Russia probably back when the Soviet Union fell. And China is desperately trying to catch up. And I would argue they probably are. I think that some of these drone incursions we've been hearing about the last few years, these aren't just random drones. These are like stuff equivalent to what we have with the orbs,

but it's China or Russia's versions of them. And nobody is saying anything about it because this is the most secret superweapons on the planet, significantly more than nukes. So you're saying they're sending a message, basically. Not just me. Joseph P. Farrell on March 20th did an interview. And I couldn't believe I found this interview where he had almost pieced everything together. He said it seems like there's somebody using some kind of, I've heard, he says, I heard rumors that U.S. used a super weapon on the plane. This was a message, but he couldn't figure out that it was the semiconductor employees.

That was a motive because semiconductors are what allows all this to go down. Tiny microchips that can produce anti-gravitational effects. Lockheed Martin has a coherent matter wave beam patent. This is the exact type of transducer we need to convert one type of energy into another to be able to convert an electromagnetic wave into a gravitational potential, a scalar potential. If you know how big it is, 10 microns. 10 microns?

That's like the size of a bacteria. Yeah, basically invisible. And Free Scale had just come out with a microchip that was smaller than a dimple and a golf ball. And they were connected to U.S. aerospace and defense through serving radio frequency power needs, which is exactly how all the science I just explained for phase conjugation. This is why radars can be turned into a directed energy weapon through all this. So they're definitely the motive. I have no doubt.

And like you guys said, like why go through all this? Why have this fire event? I think the fire event was planned. I think the whole thing was espionage from the beginning. The fire event is to divert the plane away from the South China, to the rendezvous location where you're going to zap the plane away where China and Russia will see it, but they don't know exactly what happened.

And this is why they came down on Edwards the land so hard, because he leaks these videos. And the United States government goes, holy shit, he just leaked exactly what we did to China, showed them how it works. If I can reverse engineer this technology from looking at these videos and I'm just random dude, and China and Russia's scientists and intelligence agencies,

have already probably figured it out. So they thought Edward C. Lehman was a spy. I mean, I would think he's a spy for if he leaked these videos as well. And then they find out, like, no, he was probably just a normal dude who was trying to get the truth for people because he's like, no one's going to believe that this plan got warped away. And this is why China doesn't say anything either. China probably knew Russian knew. If they go on TV and say that United States used a warp technology to wormhole the plane away,

everyone's just going to laugh at them. United States intelligence agencies would have all the media and CNN laughing at them saying how they're spreading disinformation and all this stuff. They're wearing their tinfoil hats. How does this, let me ask you this then. I mean, you come to sort of through all the science and you come to what I think is a very, very rock solid, the evidential based conclusion to this. Yeah.

From a philosophical standpoint, how does this change your really per's perspective on reality? Because the realities of the truth, and this being the truth, creates a whole new paradigm and set of scenarios, which I think are pretty terrifying and just personally. But I wanted to ask you, because you live this. You said this place was steps from the water. We just haven't found the steps yet. How much did we save? Enough.

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Hilton, for this day. Great question. And you remember how even now people are afraid of nuclear war. Sure. And in the Cold War, my parents would tell me that everyone was, you know, super afraid. That we were going to drop in nukes and that it would all be over. This is exponentially more scary than nukes are. This is a situation where you can imagine, like, an ISIS terrorist has access to this,

and they can blow up the whole planet. And you have all takes one suicidal person. to blow up the whole planet. Everyone's going to freak out. You know, this is very deeply troubling. This is why also Tucker Carlson also talked to Clayton Morris. And I went on Clayton Morris on redacted a couple months ago. And I actually asked him, like, what was it? Both of them didn't even want to talk to their families about it because it was so dark the phenomenon. And Clayton said something about the abduction phenomenon, which certainly is dark. But to me, what's darker is the idea that we have super weapons that make nukes look like little child's toys that can wipe out

anything and that the media is completely controlled by the U.S. government and they can convince the whole world that it was some nonsensical suicidal pilot situation that there's no evidence for that the flight path contradicts and the fact that they have that much control over people's minds is very scary and then the spiritual aspect as well like I don't I don't think it's the religious people who have any issue with any of this a lot of people think oh the religious people are holding back the UFO disclosure because they think it's demons and and angels or whatever like that Now, religious people right away are the ones that gravitate towards us because it proves that we live in a construct. If we have this ether, this idea of the ether, then to me, the only explanation is the holographic principle in physics, which is that I don't like the word simulation because I think it cheapens the idea of life, but that there's an idea that our reality is a construct that goes by a certain level of rules and code that we have out there.

And to me, that is a creator. And so this is why, like, as somebody that I went from being in college, to being an atheist to them becoming agnostic and then now actually becoming more on the spiritual side. I think that there's no inconsistency between faith and science at all. And this is why, like you said, that people are pushing back. This is why these videos literally break people's minds because of those three things. It challenges their faith in spirituality. It shows that the media can lie and has more power than anyone could ever have imagined. And it's just extremely troubling and scary. We have people out there, huge people that just said, I don't

want this to be real. Because if this is real, like, what does that mean about everything? We've been going to lie to our whole lives. The science goes back 100 years. Yeah, the science is based on astronomical mathematics. There's a mathematical, like, framework to everything that's beyond any human mind. And it's not disorder. It's very orderly, and it behaves properly. And we've uncovered that a lot. Ashton, does this, do you have any thoughts of how, is this related to a lot of the stories you hear of the UFOs disarming atomic weapons? Does this technology, you know, drum up any ideas of why they would be wanting to do that? Yeah, that's a good question too. So yeah, you guys are asking a lot of the big questions that I think about that aren't necessarily the case, but, you know,

it stems from the conclusions of the case. And, you know, again, the Philadelphia experiment was right around the time of the Manhattan Project. These things are almost like two sides of the same coin. with respect to atomic bombs, and then this idea of unlimited free energy and cold explosions and things like that. And they're all based on electromagnetics. So people wonder, like, how is a UFO crash? If technology is so advanced, how is it crash?

Because it's got its own weaknesses. The weakness is you shoot a radar beam at it. And now it's like taking somebody who's on a bike and hitting their handlebars, and then they go down and collapse. because of this exact idea of phase conjugation and phase conjugate electromagnetic waves is that they're using that same technology

to float around like a surfer. Same thing as like a surfer on a surfboard. They look like when you watch them, they look like they're masterfully surfing through the ocean. But if someone were just to give them a nudge, then they're going to fall over. So I would argue that the thing that disturbs this type of technology and it being able to float freely

is electromagnetic waves and electromagnetic pulse, and for example, which is what happens when a nuclear bomb goes off. There's a huge electromagnetic pulse that goes off as well. So you could argue that this is why they would react to being a little shut down nukes, is that, well, if they're floating around out there, you know, and then we send this bomb off, it's going to disturb them and disturb their movement. And it might even disturb the whole idea of the wormhole as well. I'm not really sure.

I did a post just the other day where I talked about super weapons. And that recently, I think it was in February, that it came out that Russia was putting a nuke in outer space. We're not putting nukes in outer space. Russia is not putting nukes in outer space. But they might be put in a very powerful electromagnetic pulse weapon in outer space, which would have the capability of completely destroying not just one satellite, but dozens of satellites. And as we found from this investigation, we have this huge constellation of satellites that's scanning the whole world, creating these ground-based tracking systems.

That's how our spy satellite surveillance works. So this represents a giant threat to our surveillance system. If someone can create an extremely powerful electromagnetic pulse in space, that's the type of weapon that would be afraid of. Because not only does it take out our surveillance capabilities, but also could impact commercial communications. This is interesting. It kind of reminds me of the matrix when they put the EMP out

to disable the sentinels, right, that are trying to attack them. And you wonder all the time, There's so much hidden in these films that we've watched, but it's like, that's a great theory. I've never really thought about that in the sense that a nuke, you know, we brought on a guy, and we did a whole episode on it, that the traffic of UFOs, Ashton, supposedly, you know,

it's way greater than we even can think. We think there's just like one UFO here, there, and so on and so forth, but he did an experiment with all of our listeners to take 240 frames per second, film in the sky, and if you slow it down, you'll see stuff moving that's not bugs, it's not birds, but they fly at a frame rate that we can't detect.

So if there is this crazy amount of traffic of UFOs constantly kind of going around and you set off a nuclear, you could have potentially thousands of crash devices all at once crashing down and we would discover all this craft that's been here all along. I mean, that's what I would assume that they don't want to have happen, right? Because we have like the Roswell crash and a couple of these other famous crashes, but it's just one craft and we can quickly make it disappear. This could potentially be like a thousand Roswells all at once. I don't know.

That's how my mind works. You know, if we figured this radar capability out with phase conjugation and that, you know, harp and all these other things can be used as energy weapons that we could shoot these things down whenever we want. Yeah. Eventually,

we're not shooting down because we don't want to mess with them or whatever. And then to me, the big question is how many of them are us versus how many, and by us, I mean, humanity versus non-human intelligence. Right. I don't really know, but I would speculate similar to what Dr. Greer mentions that maybe it's 80, 90% of them are ours at this point. This would explain why the sightings are going up and up and up.

And people send me lots and lots of videos of lights moving around weirdly in the sky. And, you know, maybe those are some of ours, you know. The big surprise to me was also this idea of the plasma physics around it, which is the idea of an exotic vacuum object, a magnetic monopole. And even the Department of Energy, I found this on Twitter that they posted this image of some of these plasma physics they were showing it. One of them has a heat signature that looks just like the drones, the orbs that we see in that M.C.7-0 video. And I had speculated right now, we're looking at a plasma field around it. You can tell from the heat signature in the drone video. And the next thing, no, I'm talking about a green here. And he's saying, yep, this is a topological monopole, a magnetic monopole that's

creating this. It's extracting energy from the environment. It's creating this space around it as well. And they're creating, it's a torus inside there, which is, I call it donut shape. people get mad at me, but Torres is like a circle. And, you know, like you said, it's this idea of these like universal shapes. Some people call it sacred geometry. I personally don't care what the magic shape is that makes it happen as long as you just explain to me how it works. And then what they're doing is they're creating what he calls a Tor minus one, which is

they're creating a torus around the plane as well. And that's why they convert, they go to being vertical around the plane when they spin around it is there create a torus around it, which creates the azimuth, the field around it so that they can zap that plane like. that. And so yeah, once again, the two things that you need for this are plasma physics. And if you were to look at a field of plasma, what would it look like? It's going to look like a ball of light. That's what it's going to look like if you're staring at it. And what do we see out there all the time now? It's like in the last, yeah, last five, seven years. It's all these balls of light

are on there. So again, the two things, semiconductors, superconductors and plasma physics. These are the things that the public really has no idea about. And I think the government wants it that way, where we are just kind of in the dark. We have no idea what's going on there because the last thing I'll say is that I think this technology is the highest levels of national security just due to its destructive capability. You want us to know what can this do.

I think we're talking about force fields, cloaking technology, potentially medical healing aspects related to this, cold fusion, power of the sun in the palm of your hand, straight up free energy. If you guys watch my Thomas Bearden videos that I've been posting, free energy is just as possible from this.

creating a generator that you can plug in to get it going, unplug it, and it can power your whole house that's out there. It can create these teleportation type effects through wormholes, impulse drive, but also destructive super weapons that are completely unstoppable. So this is why the government would hide it, in my opinion, at least, is that not just the ontological shock values that we talked about, but also because whoever controls this has full military supremacy over the whole planet, can't be touched, can't be messed with. I think it explains why the United States hasn't been

directly messed with in 70 years. It's the ring of power, man. Yeah, the ring of power. That's the ring of power. Yeah. I love it. I mean, I think there's one thing I wanted to just hit on, which is interesting, is that your journey personally, to the conclusion there's a creator. And I love that. You know, we're Christians, and we tend to look at everything through that. That's what we try to do in our show, look through a worldview. But I think in all the darkness and everything was impressed upon me is that you can come to that conclusion that this is a created order that someone had to that something in our in our word god created this that i think there's the hope in there too right is that

is that is that he's in charge is still in charge and maybe that's answering my own question is as you think about super weapons and the stuff that's that's out there and the capabilities and destructive capabilities of this i think if you don't anchor yourself to a place of faith i don't know how you really and perhaps that's why this still is hidden is i don't know how people would be able to put that into a perspective that isn't completely doomsday terrifying and the end of hope. And I think your journey is so interesting because, you know, having done all this and coming to a place you would have personally, I imagine it's a tough place to send you

to tread if you don't have some kind of hope that there's something greater that's in control as humans tinker with all of the created order, right? And I just, I think that's such an interesting conclusion. I actually, it was cool to hear that on a personal level because I just, we did a lot of dark places on our show. We try to expose a lot of the darkness and stuff. And I always want to find the hope in there. And I think that has got to be the place of hope is that. Is that we live in a creative order with a creator.

And in our view, Nate and as you really cares about our lives intimately. And that, to me, is the hope in this. Is all the scary technology and capabilities of you may destroy itself continue to evolve or even are here, is you we contend that we still don't control that. Yeah, I second guess myself quite a lot in terms of just the investigation,

but more so now about what I'm disclosing and if it's even safe to disclose. I'm also a patriot, so it really makes me wonder, I really don't like to hurt the idea of national security out there, especially if these are real.

But nobody's come to stop me, so I'm just going to keep going until somebody does knock on my door and say, hey, man, can you stop talking about our super weapons? And there is this idea, that like maybe this answers the Fermi paradox, which is why we don't see civilizations everywhere we look. Because you can imagine this science is a discovery. This is not an invention.

Once you figure out this science, this Pandora's box opens up, now you get all this technology, the good and the bad, you know, and you can see why then people would want to keep it secret because if you can imagine a civilization discovers this and many civilizations that do just destroy themselves after this, that's the dark side of it. And that's the side that scares people. But like you said, I see the hope in it. I see the free energy. I see that this can change our entire civilization and send us to Star Trek levels of technology. We can eliminate homelessness, hunger.

We have 670,000 homeless people in the United States alone. I live in an area where we have one of the biggest homeless shelters out there. I go past them every single day. Living on the streets has an effect on people's minds. And we could end all of this. And I just, I look at that and I go, not just that too, but you look at like the protests that are going on. You've got people out there like looking for a purpose, you know, which is, it's very obvious to me that they just want any purpose to latch on to. How about the hope of free energy and potentially building a new civilization?

To me, that's a purpose that many people out there, regardless of your political leanings, could latch on to. And that's the reason why I am out here promoting this stuff because I know these videos are real. I know people that work on the technology that's real and that they have the same thing. They have the same perspective that I do, which is, yes, it's scary. Yes, it's dangerous. But if we get this out there,

we can make the world a better place and that's all I want to do. Yeah, dude. Thanks for what you're doing. I mean, as you say, you put yourself right in the line of fire, if you will. And thanks for coming on our show

and Sharon's looking forward to hanging out in person and getting to hang. But, you know, I don't know, you're going to keep on doing it. And we're here for it. So we just want to keep on, encourage you to keep on,

on doing it because I think you are in the ways this this this is stuff like we are our country in it of itself was found on the idea that that we that it's by the will of the people and I and I think people that come and expose things would they be a whistleblower and an investigator like yourself that is in fact blowing the whistle on this that is is to the will of the people like the American American citizens deserve to to know and know what's going on that's that's the fabric of our of the great American experiment and I Man, we're grateful of man.

Keep encouraging. Keep doing what you're doing. Thanks so much for coming back on the show. This story, you know this. I know you know this. It has the ability to really change everything. And I think it is. I think it continues to propagate and get itself out there.

And the truth continues. The truth will always get out there. That this is, as you said, with free energy and all the implications around that. And also the implications around what's happening in the geopolitical world. This has the ability to change everything. And so what a time, what a time this is. This is wild. So thanks again, man.

Yeah, man. Yeah. Thank you guys very much. Appreciate you, guys. Yeah.