Blurry Creatures - EP: 242 The Alaska Triangle with Mike Ricksecker

Episode Date: May 29, 2024

The Alaska Triangle is home to many strange events. We welcome author Mike Ricksecker to explain one of the most remote and captivating landscapes on Earth. Mike delves into the chilling tales, unsolved mysteries, and strange phenomena that haunt this vast wilderness. From vanishings to UFO sightings, this episode unravels layers of intrigue. Tune in to learn more about The Alaska Triangle and detailed stories that make it a heavy concentration of bizarre events. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And, you know, that story stuck in my head for all of those years. So when I started doing research for Alaska's Mysterious Triangle, I want to write about this, of course. So I dive into the research of the building because I want to get all my, you know, facts straight and all my ducks in a row and everything. And I'd come to find out, that building was never a hospital. It was built exactly what it was being used for. And that was command. So then it's like, okay, I'm scratching my head. Why in the world are we seeing these shadows down there?

And so I can only speculate now. of course I can't go back and investigate research because they'd never let me in there these days. But again, we're talking the energy of the Alaska Triangle and we're talking about everything else that's there as far as energy and equipment and all that. I think we were witnessing some sort of time slip that we were seeing shadows of personnel from the past, maybe personnel from the future, maybe even ourselves, this sort of thing. Because there's no other rhyme or reason for these things to have been there. The history of our Earth is so different from what we can imagine. Joy to change.

The Smithsonian, that if they found out about a large skeleton somewhere, was to go get it. I'm going to assume at least one person is right, because if one person's right, it's blessed the paradigm. It all goes back to the fallen chair. And the problem with the modern day church, they have a very truncated view of the supernatural. This backdrop that's just pregnant with all kinds of meaning associated with this Mount Herman event. And this guy defects from the kingdom. That's a big deal. We're in Bermuda, but we're not going to the tropics today.

We're getting into the strange phenomena that happens up north, Alaska. This is opposite of Jimmy Buffettland. Yeah, we are putting away our Hawaiian shirts, been putting on our long underwear. You have a great selection of Hawaiian shirts. I know you do. Dude, I have a fleet. And my wife hates most of them.

Actually, I don't even call them party shirts, because, you know, if we're going on vacation or we have a party to go to, like a barbecue, you. It's party shirt time. Let me know. I need some party shirts. If you ever need to get rid of them. I know a guy. I know a guy. We'll get, we'll get you lined up. Now, but this is, we're going north. This is, we're going north. This is fun. We've had a couple episodes about, you know, about Alaska, but nothing specific on the Alaskan Triangle. And this is going to be a great. Mike Rick Sucker joins. You may recognize his voice in his space from, you know, a myriad of TV shows. The, you know, the History Channel or Discovery

channel he's he's done a lot of work around this written a number of books and he actually was a in the air force station in alaska where you really kind of got interested in this in this topic but this is one of those things it's a trial these are these anomalies that exist all over the all over the earth where you think weird stuff happens yeah planes disappear people disappear and it's like it's it's you know it's a equal parts david politis and equal parts ashton forbs and and wormholes and portals and people parts, Skinwalker Ranch, right? It's this really bizarre place where you've got tons of cryptids, creatures,

people disappearing, planes disappearing, and a bunch of really odd, you know, outside of the realm of normal, paranormal type of experiences happen in this massive triangle, which Mike says the size of California. Yeah, it's blurry up in Alaska, and then it's not really an easy episode to kind of encompassing one. one round. It's going to take many. It feels like the kind of podcast to take multiple episodes to cover all the high strangeness up in Alaska. But Mike's going to be here to help us walk

through some of the history of the weirdness that goes on up there. So if you want to become a member of the show, blurrycrucruits.com slash members, support what we're doing here. Help us keep the blur going and you get all sorts of perks for being a member. And maybe, just maybe, you'll get to wear a party shirt with Luke one day if you. We make the Bermuda Triangle. We're only doing that if we go down south. Yeah, maybe we'll go to the Bermuda's Bermuda Triangle.

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The Wiles of Alaska here with Mike Ricksek. All right, welcome to the podcast, author, researcher, filmmaker, Mike Ricksecker. You've done so many things on TV, like the History Channel and Travel Channel, talking about the Alaska Triangle. And we were just talking about that yesterday with actually a member story. We got into it.

This guy who was a cop up there for 25 years, and he was just telling us all the paranormal stuff he experienced. And one of the main things he said was he drove into this, like, sphere of... Bubble. Translucent bubble. And when he drove... to the temperature dropped 30 degrees and he didn't know what was going on but there's so many things up there and

we were we were joking with hugh newman about this there's like an underground pyramid and in alaska allegedly or the black pyramid yeah we he was on this is one of our favorite things to rib hugh about because he's been on the show a few times but he yeah Nate asked him about it sort of offhanded like what the black pyramid and he goes in his English in the only way he could do it English he's like mate they just told me what to say I don't know anything about that and we're like what you're on the show it's like Yeah, yeah. I don't know. You're like, okay, well, moving on.

We're the next subject. No, and that's kind of the deal sometimes, too. And first of all, Luke and Nate, thanks for having me on. Yeah. Yeah, when it comes to some of these topics, some of it is really niche. And, you know, they want you on these shows because there's some expertise that you have that they want you to speak about. But then they're like, well, can you talk to about these other topics? Because they want not just one person to speak on it.

They want multiple people. So sometimes they will just say, okay, here's a story. Can you speak on it? And it's like, sure, I can recite that. Right. Yeah. So that was the Hugh, that was the Hugh thing. But we've got you here.

Thanks again for being here, Michael. One of the, we were looking into the things that, you know, weird stuff and weird things that happen in the Alaskan Triangle. I guess I actually saw you on the show. And that's why I wrote it down. I was like, I got to see if I can find Mike. Yeah. But welcome to blurry creatures. Great to have you on.

You've written a bunch of books. You've written about the Alaskan Triangle. written about time travel, shadow people. All things that kind of fit in the realm of things we talk about, which is really cool. But we have a tradition here. We're 240 plus episodes in, and we ask everybody. Our show started out talking about Bigfoot. First 10 episodes were about Bigfoot.

What is Bigfoot? We're trying to figure out we could call Bigfoot the gateway drug because it's the, apparently it's like owning chickens. All of a sudden, you're into all the conspiracies, right? So we ask everybody from the Bigfoot people to the scientists, to theologians, to everyone and what their thoughts are on Bigfoot. So Mike, what are your thoughts on Bigfoot if you have any? Ah, yeah.

So, okay, your gateway drug was Bigfoot. Mine was more ghost hauntings, all that. And I, you know, I am an experiencer. But I have not had any specific experiences with Bigfoot. But I do believe that there is some sort of phenomenon that is occurring out there that people are witnessing. And I can't deny their experiences at all. and I have several friends that are Bigfoot Sasquatch researchers.

In fact, on my podcast connecting the university, two recent episodes were exactly that topic. So even though I haven't had my own experiences with it, it's research that I am certainly open to, especially when we start talking about the possibilities that perhaps Bigfoot or Sasquatch or Skunkie or whichever one we're talking about, you know, maybe they are some sort of interdimensional beings, which plays right into my realm.

And so, you know, and why not? Why wouldn't they be? Just because a being is interdimensional doesn't mean they have to look like us. They could look like all kinds of different things. So looking like a Sasquatch or Bigfoot is, yeah, certainly within the realm of possibility, especially when you start talking about, and I just posted a blog article on this this morning, about portals out in the wilderness. And one of the questions is, you know, is Bigfoot or Sasquatch using portals to move

in and about throughout our reality. And some of these people that go missing in the woods, we have to start asking the questions, you know, where did they go? Do they step into something? They step through a portal somewhere because some people that come back that are found will give the most unusual stories. Like I heard a sound off on the side of the path in the woods. And I took two steps off the path, looked around, couldn't find what was making the noise,

turned back around to the path, and the path was gone. you know and I'm totally lost out in the woods for the next three days or whatever it is you know so what in the world happened to them that in two steps they lost the path so did they step into something and is that the same mode of transportation that these possible bigfoot are used that's that's kind of we're tracking there too because Mike is you know there's the door of course the skinwalker ranch thing with the ranchers there before it was owned by everybody who investigated it they have this whole story of this this portal opening up and a bigfoot creature coming out and then what you're talking about really feels a lot

like what David Politis talks about, right? So his, is all missing 411. People like toddlers disappearing, then ended up 13 miles away over, you know, over an entire, you know, pass and mountain where you shouldn't be.

Kids not doing that. And then the kids tell you that he was saved by a bear. And you're like, yeah, I don't know. This is when, to be honest, Mike, this is when kind of I started, I started with Bigfoot in like 2011

and started really getting into like that whole phenomenon. But it was the missing 4-1, the coast-to-coe stuff, when you started to realize there was actual scientific data that people are going from our reality to somewhere else possibly because there's no physical, there's no explanation how these people end up missing. I started to take this whole topic serious.

And you can't stay in the Bigfoot space for very long before you start realizing something else is going on entirely. And then obviously a lot of these guys are starting about abductions, UFOs, and all the other things that go along with it. But it would make sense because people seem to, There's no bear involved. There's no animal involved.

There's no, the trackers can't find these people. And that, to me, shifted my interest into actually, like, from, like, sort of a hobby, kind of like, I want to, this is what I want to think about and talk about and research for a long time. So it's cool. It's sad to talk about the missing people. Yeah. But it sure is heck makes it more of a, when you're having a conversation with your friends, like, guys, this is actually a thing.

This is actually a problem. And people don't know where people are going. going. So you have to take this serious that this is more than just some sort of conspiracy theory. People are actually going from our places to somewhere else and we can't figure out why. Right, exactly. Yeah, all these different phenomena are connected like you're talking about with the UFO abductions. And when we look into the past, you know, they had a, it was of a different context. It wasn't Bigfoot. It wasn't UFOs. It was fairies. You know, people were getting taken into the ferry realm and disappearing for a lot of.

long periods of time. And then when they would reappear, you know, they would think it was, you know, five, ten minutes. And it's like, no, you've been gone for days. You know, where did you go? Yeah. And, and they're like, I didn't go anywhere. You know, I stepped over here. And that was it. So, yeah, this is a phenomenon that's been occurring on our planet for, you could track it back thousands of years. It's been happening from a living. And that seems like a good segue, Mike, because, you know, what you, you written, extensively researched on the Alaskan Triangle. And that's what we were, you know, wanted to, wanted to have you on initially.

Maybe we'll have some future conversations, but initially just talk about that because the idea of, as you're talking about, things happening, they're sort of paranormal, outside of the realm of normality and in a certain place. We talked of the Bermuda Triangle is probably the most famous. And, you know, just because, for whatever reason, it's got it, it's catchy, man. Everybody loves, everybody loves the tropics. But there's a triangle in Alaska. And I think we forget, and this is what, having this conversation.

with this cop this last week, you forget how expansive and desolate this place is. Like sometimes I think, you know, we lived in the lower 48, you know, and you just think, last is big. Yeah, yeah. But, you know, when this cop was telling us that he, you know, his jurisdiction was the size of state of Oregon. And there was, I think there was 14,000 people that lived there and 20,000 workers that were, that were transient as far as like oil workers. And you go, that's nutty. That's like a huge place and not a lot of people. And there's, who knows what's going on out there. So, start Start us off with the Alaska, you start wherever you want on this, but like if we're just a couple guys that don't know much about it other than like having seen, I've seen a couple of dogs, a couple of things on docs about it on triangles in general, but you mean, you put the time in and researched all this. So yeah, start us off and let us know what's going on up there. And you're right. It is a very expansive area. I mean, you're talking about a location, you know, the entire state, the population is right on par with.

the city of San Francisco. But the state, the size of it, is two and a half times the size of Texas. And of course, you know, they're not all spread out. There are some concentrated areas like Anchorage, Fairbanks and some of the other smaller towns. But yeah, it's a really barren area. There are parts that have not been mapped out. You know, so there are places that we don't know what's going on there. And there are even like some speculation that in some of those uncharted, unmapped areas,

or maybe remnants of the woolly mammoth and things like that. But yeah, when we talk about triangle areas, these things are all over the world. Bermuda is the most famous because back during the 1950s, people started piecing together all the strange things that had occurred there, basically the fallout from Flight 19. And as other things happened there and they started piecing together, oh, there was this story and this thing happened, you know, back in the early 1900s, even, you know, Christopher Columbus had reports of strange things happening there. they noticed that it was kind of this triangular pattern within that area of the world.

So they called it the Bermuda Triangle. But some of these places, you know, been around, you know, much longer, like the Dragon Sea out in Japan. Those stories go back to like 1,000 BC where the Chinese talked about there being dragons under the water because of all the strange phenomena that happened there. So it's really our current term for an area of high strangeness and bizarre occurrence. that happened there. And Alaska, in this area that goes from Juno to Anchorage, all the way up to, well, used to be known as Barrow, but it's gone back to the native Inuit name, Yukiavik.

There are so many bizarre things that happen there. And just to give us some context, that triangular area is about the size of the state of California. It's a massive area, but between, you know, UFO sightings, missing people, paranormal activity, the cryptid sightings. There's just so many bizarre things that happen up there. Yeah. What do you think just like the basic DNA of these triangles consists of? Yeah.

So basically what we're talking about, we have to take it all the way back down to the Earth's core. So it's this, you know, molting, spinning ball of iron that creates a magnetic field, which is good for us because that magnetic field helps protect us from the solar wind. So like we just had all these auroras here lately, and that was basically the solar wind hitting our ionosphere,

and that was the protection from our magnetic shield so that we wouldn't have gotten fried during those solar storms. So that's a good thing that we have this. But as it rises up through the earth, through the crust, through the mantle, thin crust, interacts with different metals and minerals. And depending on the types of metals and minerals, it interacts with and the quantity,

it's going to create different types of localized electromagnetic fields. So in these areas we're having, there are some sort of significant deposits of something, some sort of metal or mineral that it's interacting with to create these other fields that these strange things happen. It'll interfere with people's guidance systems, compasses. It would have the ability to open up things like portals and cause all this other strange activity to happen.

Alaska specifically in the 1960s, the U.S. Department of the Interior did a geographic survey of the area, and it was only about 100,000 square miles, so basically like a sixth state, but it's still pretty significant because they identified five different magnetic characters throughout the region, and several of these they described as negative anomalies. So even the government's aware that there is strange magnetic activity,

in the area. And you couple that with, you have a lot of seismic activity in the area. There's a lot of earthquakes up there. I was up there for 6.7. When I spent three years there when I was in the Air Force,

you have a lot of volcanic activity. I had just, in fact, when I got up there, experienced a 6.7 earthquake, which was a few months removed from the volcano Mount Spur that had gone off

just before I got up there. So there's a lot of energy in both of those. And then again, the solar fliers bombarding the area. At our poles, the magnetic shield is a little bit thinner. So you have all of that energy hitting that area as well. So I can call Alaska just a fantastic cocktail of energies to make all this strange activity occur.

Yeah. So it's kind of like you think it starts in sort of the core of the earth and then it kind of goes up. And then depending on the day, the time, the hour or wherever, however things are kind of sort of the magic soup on the surface. so you could walk into something. Obviously, you can't detect it, you can't see it, you don't know what's happening, but you think that is these triangles around the world, that it's a natural thing. It's not some alien base or something opening up portals constantly in these areas. Right, it's more of a natural occurrence.

Now, that said, on the alien or extraterrestrial notion, I mean, they may have established a base there in order to use that energy to maybe move in about our world. You know, maybe they have figured out a way to... Tap into it? We know that, you know, portals open and close, basically at random. Like, when we talk to the X points that are out there in space just off of our planet, and NASA has been up there for over a decade now, trying to figure out some sort of pattern

to why the X points of the portals that are out there, you know, why do they open and close at these different random, like, intervals and strange sizes? So, you know, extraterrestrials that may be far, far older than us have figured that out. And maybe they've harnessed it to be able to maybe they're using wormholes to come in and out of our world. There's a lot of different possibilities. That's all rabbit hole. Yeah. How long is this?

So how long have folks been and even the native folks there have been aware that this is an area that things occur? Are there like really, really old stories from the Inuit and the Eskimos and those folks up there that talk about this area of being weird? Yeah, the natives, the Inuit and the Tinglet, they have all kinds of interesting legends and lore associated with the strange activity that occurs up there. And a lot of times with this type of activity, you know, we're talking Sasquatch earlier, they have these different creatures that will move in and out of these different dimensions. So the Irchinchin Haat, which are basically like the little people, or the Kushikha, which is kind of quote unquote outer man, which is really similar to almost like the windigo. legends that we have around the Great Lakes area. And what's interesting about the earching hot is just, this was not that long ago. I think it was 2006 and was reporting the Anchorage Daily News, so legit newspaper.

There was a boy that was discovered by a bunch of hunters. They were kind of going out into this area by Pilcher Mountain. And they just found this boy kind of standing out there in the middle of nowhere. There were no, it was still, there was still snow on the ground. And there were no tracks around him. And they're kind of, okay, what are you doing out here? You know, what, what happened that you're out here on your own? And the boy told this fantastic story about how he had been taken inside the mountain by these little people.

And the way he described him sounded like these, these irching hot that the, that the native has been talking about for, you know, centuries. And he said that he was left there by this. them with this little girl. And apparently the little girl had been inside the mountain with the Eirchenot for like 40 years. She hadn't aged at all. The Eirchenhot eventually let the boy go and they basically dumped him right there on the side of the mountain or at the base of the mountain.

And it truly fascinating story about how, okay, it almost seems like he was taken into some sort of dimension where time didn't exist by these little beings that are up there. And it's exactly the stories that the natives would tell. How do you think that? Do they, are they, could they be in some sort of area where it's affected by gravity and time is slowing down? Because it seems as though, you know, these UFOs have this ability, right? They manipulate gravity. And every time someone is involved with one, there's a time slip, which is a time differential.

There's a time, like, issue. And so maybe there's pockets in the world where gravity behaves differently. And you can, it's like the fountain of youth, but you don't even know you're drinking it, you know? Well, there certainly are areas where gravity works differently. We would talk about there's different mountain phenomena where there's a phenomenon called a gravity wave. You get a little bit too, like you're flying an airplane through like a mountain pass. You get a little too close. It'll kind of like grab you and bring you closer to the mountain.

So there are things like that. But when we're talking these type of things, like the Ircheon hot or UFOs. So a lot of these type of beings, you know, have the ability to move in and out of dimensions. And I think what's happening here with a lot of like these UFO abduction, where people talk about experiencing time in a different way or they have a time loss incident, that sort of thing. I think what's happening is that when they're taken into that realm, maybe it's the mothership or the urging hot it was pulled into a mountain fairy lore from 150 years ago.

It was we're in the ferry realm and off with them. I really think it's another dimension that they are being brought into. And if that's true and that is a dimension that is above ours because our consciousness is in the fourth dimension that we call time. doesn't really exist, but that will probably get to that at some point in the interview. Other beings and other dimensions, five, six, seven, eight, and onward, they're outside of time. They would see time as like one whole concurrent object. So if you're taken to another dimension that is outside the scope of time, sure, our, you know, what we believe is time, you know, description of our reality and how we keep track of things, that's going to work and operate very differently in those other realms and those other dimensions.

And so being brought back here, yeah, we're, conceptually, it's going to be mind-boggling to us. Like, it seems like I was just there for five minutes and here, like, you know, three days have gone by or whatever it is. You take like Travis Walton, you know, he thought he had returned the same night and been five days later. You know, so things like that occur. And I think it's really because they're being brought into another dimension. Yeah, which is, I guess it's hard to understand what a dimension, you know, is in terms of just in conference. It's like is it a different it's like the upside down is it some kind of alternate world and sometimes I just like to explain it as if it was happening in our dimension because it seems to make sense to me more than just like these alternate parallel universe is kind of existing with us at the same time You know because it seems as though the craft are here and then they're not here and then Bigfoot is here and he seems to be leaving footprints here and then the it doesn't make any sense is it like

Like are they just using some sort of frequency technology to appear like they're not here, but they're still here? And I think that's a lot of the debate that goes on in my head. Are they still there, but you just can't see them? Right. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, there's a difference between accessing another dimension and taking a wormhole to some other place in the cosmos. Yeah, they are still around us. Just we can't perceive them because we don't have the.

physical geometry to be able to perceive that. So here's an example. And I actually use this in my book travels through time. So great story from years ago about the flatlanders, basically a two-dimensional race of beings. So in this flatland, everything is just in two-dimensional space. Okay. So think of like a tabletop or something. A piece of paper. I've heard like a piece of paper. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, a piece of paper. Now, that's all that they can perceive, or square, circles, triangles, that sort of stuff. Now, take a three-dimensional sphere and drop that into their world. Just kind of have it pass through that piece of paper, that tabletop, or whatever. They are not going to be able to perceive that entire sphere because they are two-dimensional.

So they don't have the physical geometry to see the three, the whole three-dimensional. object. But as it drops through their world, basically what they would see is like a circle kind of slowly open up, you know, until it gets to its apex, the full circumference of that. And then as it continued to pass through, it would shrink back down. So they would only be able to perceive a circle from the entire sphere. So that is kind of what's happening here. As we are getting a glimpse of some, whether it's, you know, some sort of strange looking being or creature or some sort of craft. We're just getting a glimpse of something else that's going on that is beyond what our three-dimensional physical body, the way our eyes work and our physiology. We're only getting

a glimpse. There's so much more going on beyond us. That is, that's amazing. Mike, the story about the little boy. Was there any evidence of a missing girl in that area 40 years earlier, like where they could draw? I mean, because it ended up in the. Yeah, that's a great question. And I didn't dive down. That would be fascinating. There's. Yeah, it would be. Yeah. And, I mean, there's plenty of missing people in Alaska, of course.

It's bizarre how many people go missing. So, yeah, and that specific article didn't follow up on that. That would be great additional research to do to see if, okay, there is, is there a girl from 40 years ago that matches that? Who's living in the mountain with the little people? That's, yeah. There's supposedly a plane flight that, like, left in the 60s and landed in like the 90s or something. Did you hear about that, Luke?

I don't know. No, I don't know. It sounds like heard about that, Mike. like a loss or something not yeah not that specifically I mean there's been a lot of missing airplanes up in Alaska some really high profile well so yeah I wasn't asked what is some of the like the major the biggest and most and most significant craziest major stories have come out of the Alaskan triangle and well the the biggest missing airplane one would be Hale Boggs and Nick Baggich back in 1972 that was yeah he was boggs was the

house majority leader at the time and as they were passing through the Portage Pass going from Anchorage to Juneau just gone. You know, they have no idea what happened to it. To this day, they have found nothing of that airplane. And, you know, there have been several airplanes that have gone down throughout the Portage pass and plenty of wreckage there to sift through. And they have never found a thing of that airplane. You know, they, very high profile case, biggest search and rescue mission in the United

States up to that point in our history. They were utilizing spy planes. Not a thing just disappeared. Another one, 1950 was a, it was a, a Douglas Skymaster, a very large airplane, 44 people on board that. And as they had just crossed over the Canadian border around the snag area, they just lost contact. And they had the U.S. military and the Canadian military were doing joint operations at the time.

So they pulled everybody off of those joint operations, had them out there looking for it. And again, nothing. What's bizarre about that is it's like a week or two later. There was a smaller plane that went down around that same area where they lost contact. with the Skymaster, they found that, boom, right away. But the big, huge skymaster, not a thing even still to this day. And there are some interesting, other interesting phenomena that happened at that time, like right before and right after that plane went missing.

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at mintmobile.com slash blurry. That's mintmobile.com slash blurry. Up front payment of $45 dollars for three month five gigabyte plan required equivalent to $15 a month new customer offer for first three months only then full price plan options available taxes and fees extra cement mobile for details do you think that they're going through some kind of wormhole where they survive when they go through it well that's yeah that's one of the working theories and we on the alaska triangle television show we did postulate that idea and that's as far as as we took it on the show was yeah it could have passed through some sort of portal and we you know got to Bruce Gernan from his experience down on the Bermuda Triangle to talk about, you know, his experience of essentially, you know, passing through a portal, what he called an electronic call. Yeah, yeah, I actually talked to Bruce at one point. And he, yeah, yeah, he said that he like, what was like 45 minutes early, he got into Miami. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It was totally bizarre. So he had, basically he had some sort of, you could chalk that up as a time travel. Yeah. Because he doomed ahead in time, like 45 minutes, yeah.

which is really fascinating. So that's in my book, Alaska's Mysterious Triangle, I took it a step further and asked the question, okay, so if they did pass through a portal and went to, say, another point in time, you could say they went to another dimension, you could say they went to somewhere else in the cosmos, but I liked using the idea of time.

So let's say they went to somewhere else in time. Okay, where did they go in time? Well, they could have gone forward. They could have gone backward. So let's just say they went backwards in time. You know, just throwing out a hypothesis here. And we'll just throw an arbitrary number at it. You know, say they went back 500 years.

Okay. So 500 years ago to the indigenous people of the area at the time, what would an airplane look like to them, a big Douglas Skymaster? They would have no context whatsoever of an airplane 500 years ago. To them, it would be some huge, massive, large, weird bird or something. Very loud and thunderous in nature, exactly. So is this where some of the Thunderbird legends come from? That's interesting.

Maybe. That's an interesting idea. Yeah, it makes you think. Makes you think. So this triangle, it's a pretty big area. How do you even, how do you put the points on the map, I guess, is what you're saying? It's such a massive area after I'm looking at it. Yeah, it becomes difficult because it is such a widespread area.

There's, I have really no way to search at all, right? And some of those places are really remote, really desolate. The only way you can get in there is through, you know, grab yourself a bush pilot and we'll head out there and fingers crossed you make it back, right? When we did the show, one of the stories was about Mount Hayes and the possibilities of there being a base hidden within Mount Hayes or extraterrestrials and the U.S. military working together. So there's no road that goes there. It's too far to hike. So they put James Fox in a plane with a bush pilot and took them out there and they landed on the glacier.

It's crazy. Yeah. It's very hard to. to research it all up there. You know, David Politis talks about in his last film, there's like underground water associated with some of these missing places. Is there anything underground? Is there any layer of maybe aquifers or anything in that area of Alaska by any chance?

Well, yeah. I mean, what's interesting about Alaska. So, okay, we talk about Minnesota being the land of 10,000 lakes, right? Yeah, yeah. Alaska has three million. Yeah. Three million lakes? So, three million lakes.

Yeah. So there's a lot of water. Yeah. And that is of a certain size. And I forget the dimension that they have to be to fall within that three million, but it's pretty significant. So there's much, you know, even smaller. And Uncle Ricky knows where to catch the best fish. Oh, oh, the fish up there is amazing. He won't tell anybody. Those salmon up there are like as big as the table down on that right now. It's huge. Yeah. Really good. Yeah. So there's a lot of water that's up there under those. glaciers. There's, man, I mean, who knows what's under many of those, right? So there's a lot of secret areas up there. So if we're talking like U.S.Os, they could be hiding in any of those lakes up there. And it would make sense, too, you know, really remote, hidden. Even the coastline, you know, the coastline of Alaska is larger than if you combine the

East and West Coast of America of the lower 40. It's it's it people just don't realize how massive it is up there. So there's plenty of places for for things to hide. Yeah. Since 1970 they say like 20,000 people have gone, have been, have gone missing or disappeared in this particular region. Yeah, we use the statistic 16,000 from 1988. So if it's 20,000 from 77, I mean, it's fine. Yeah, it's just an astronomical number.

And sure, I mean, plenty of people went out to the woods that got to eat by a bear or goreed by a bear. moose and we're not going to know what happened to them or you know there's kidnapsings and things like that sure those things occur unfortunately but it's 16,000 again you think of the population now as you know about the size of the city of san francisco and it would have been smaller of course back in like 1988 it's just an astronomical number compared to the entire population the percentage is huge how many people come back yeah a handful i mean people do come back they have some bizarre tales like we were talking about earlier and kind of hey I stepped off the path and all of a sudden you know the path was gone you know one of the stranger tales it was 2012

the mount marathon race in sewered Alaska so this is a race with a lot of people they're up and up and down the mountain and one of the runners Michael LaMater just disappeared gone just nowhere nowhere to be found and they sense you know people to go out out and look for him and he totally disappeared from a race. It was a very public event. How does it happen? I mean, that's the question, right? That's why I think you, when you hit on portals and you talk about the electromagnetic activity, we were, you know, we had a recent episode and an interview with Ashton Forbes, who's the one who's, he's the guy that's investigating the disappearance of MH370, you know, in the citizen journalism space. And he, they've got some crazy satellite videos of

what he believes are man-made, you know, orbs, these are technology that are opening up portal spaces and it appears to disappear this flight. It's been his conclusion based upon the verification of all the data and all that kind of stuff. So the fact that these things apparently can be recreated is terrifying in of itself,

but the idea these things happen naturally occurring is really scary too. And there's stories like Mount Shasta where hikers and footprints just go into nowhere. And then there's not, They're not in a crevasse. They didn't fall off a cliff. They just...

Well, definitely at certain elevations. It seems like people can up their chances of getting disappeared. The higher they go. I don't know why that is. Yeah. And some of those stories are fascinating too. Yeah, there's the footprints on the path and then, yeah, they're just gone. I can see the steps.

And, yeah, it's amazing. And, okay, to your point about, you know, is it man-made? You know, they are in the lab. That was about a year and a half ago. they admitted, yeah, we have created a baby wormhole in the lab in the quantum environment. Part of it was kind of funny because the reporters talking to the scientists asked, well, can you send something like a dog through the portal? It's like, you know, why do we immediately go to putting a dog through this wormhole?

It was very, very small. They had sent messages through it. You know, nothing big enough for a person or a living creature. And my thing is, why would we not send a probe through first? Why would we send a dog? Or a monkey, you know? They're just like the space program. Send the monkey through.

Get the monkeys going. Right. Like ham. Yeah. But yeah. So they are developing these things in the lab. And so we're going to start seeing more and more of that as we progress further. Hopefully they don't suck the entire planet through a wormhole somewhere that they create in the lab.

But yeah, these are things that we have to start considering now that, yes, they can't occur naturally. But what are we as humans up to as well that we're going to start, you know, testing out there? And we have to ask that question. She goes, our military has done it to us in the past. You know, they discover some way to, you know, open a portal or a wormhole. Are they going to test it on the innocent civilians? Or even tell us about it. Yeah.

Yeah. Mike, what are your thoughts on where people go? Where do you think they go? They go to someplace else here or they go someplace else in the cosmos? I think both can happen. You know, when we look at Einstein, Rosenbridge, our traditional wormhole, that can link to other places in the cosmos. I think they could also be sent to another place on Earth.

The research that I've been doing on Stargates, I don't just believe that the ancients had Stargate technology to take them to some other place in the cosmos. I believe that they were able to travel across the world. We see a lot of our ancient cultures, so many similarities. How did, according to our traditional archaeology, they weren't supposed to have had contact with each other, but you look at, okay, look at Chitzenegu, look at the step pyramid there in Egypt,

you're kind of scratching your head, what in the world there? You go to Elephantine Island, and there's a depiction of somebody there in a Mayan headdress, and it's like, you know, where did that come from? And up the hill from there is an in alleged Stargate. So, yeah, were they using the Stargate to, you know, travel to these other places on Earth and share knowledge and technology? So it could be, and that's of the physical realm. Well, you could also be talking about, you know, some other dimension.

Were they passing into fifth, sixth, seventh dimension and beyond? Are they getting to these other places where time doesn't really exist as we know it? Like we were talking about earlier. Yeah. Do you think they were creating this like from ancient technology or do you think they were harnessing like things that already existed in the same way that we, you know, you kind of, you were explaining the Alaska Triangle where you have, as far as our government is concerned, there's at least five nodes or whatever you want to call them in this space that. that are, you know, high magnetic, electromagnetic energy that, I think they discovered, like, these places and utilized them, or do you think that they were able to kind of create the technology? I mean, it's not the one we don't know the answer to that, but what do you prognosticate on that?

Yeah, yeah. You know, I believe that far as the ancients were concerned, you know, they had found these different power places on Earth. You know, when we look at, you know, where the pyramids are built, Stonehenge, other what we call ancient sites of power, they were built on these hot spot nodes of energy. So, you know, they had a methodology to be able to detect and find these locations and then basically harness that power for a variety of means. And, you know, not just travel, but a lot of these places are, you know, locations that are

supposed to be of great healing or entering into alter states of consciousness or we're having some sort of ritual here because the alignment of the stars or, you know, whatever it is. But I believe that they were able to also traverse the cosmos or even our planet at these locations or into other dimensions. And yeah, I believe our government has figured that out as well. There are certain segments of it. When it comes to Alaska specifically, I believe that's why they built harp up there because of, you know, they knew, okay, these different electromagnetic anomalies are up here. So let's go ahead and utilize them and we'll harness them. and we'll start playing around with the ionosphere.

Yeah. Is there any data to suggest that, you know, like in the missing 401 docs, he talks a lot about how there's evidence that kind of is found later. You know, there's like clothes that are folded and all sorts of weird things. Is there anything like that going up on in Alaska where there could be some natural wormholes people fly through and they just can't get back? It's like, oops, went through that. But there could be some evidence to suggest that it is more nefarious.

There is entities messing and taking people. Is there any, like, weird clues and stuff that's kind of post? like search search and rescue that we found this thing miles away kind of any of that data? Yeah, I mean, sometimes you do find, you know, like an out-of-place artifact or, yeah, somebody's, like you said, somebody's clothes, you know, things like that. Okay, you know, here's a part of the trail, but where did they go? That sort of thing happens. And then there are people that come forward to.

There was a, I want to say it was about eight or ten years ago. there was an individual that came forward in Alaska. He was basically confessing about being involved in some different organized crime up there, as well as further down, I think I recall correctly in the Vegas area. But he had connections across the country, and he was doing some of these things up there in Alaska. And so he had reported on a story that he was basically charged with simply taking this briefcase and putting it on a plane. Now, he wasn't told what was in the briefcase, and he wasn't specifically told the plane at the time.

But he put two and two together when all of a sudden the Boggs Begich plane went missing. Like, oh, that was because, you know, they're showing photos of it and all this sort of thing. He's like, oh, that was the plane that I put the briefcase on. So he was basically confessing this to the Anchorage Police or something like this. And there's an actual FBI report on it, you know, because, of course, it involved Boggs and Begich. And, you know, he started speculating. He's like, I don't know what was in the briefcase. I don't know if it was like maybe it was a bomb or something that, you know,

exploded the plane. But there was no follow up on it. You know, the family wanted some follow up. Okay, here's a story. Here's a guy confessing that, you know, he put this thing on the plane. You know, what was it? What did it do? Did it, you know, was it sabotage?

That sort of thing. But they never reinvigorated that investigation. They never picked it back up because they said, hey, we've, we've been. in and around that for decades for the last 40 years, you know, finding other planes that had gone down on this sort of thing. But there is no evidence whatsoever of an explosion taking place and a debris field or anything like that. We have never found a thing.

So they didn't restart the investigation, which is still kind of unusual. Yeah. Right. But that's a story that's come out of there since then. You think they put some sort of technology in there that would maybe activate whatever happened? I mean, that's a lot of speculation, but it's kind of odd, right? The conspiracy theorist in me is like, well, they didn't chase this down because there's something there that they don't want people to find.

Right. And there's a couple of different things if you want to go down to the conspiracy round. So at that time, you had a lot of interesting international politics going on between, I think that was the second incarnation of Yugoslavia and Boggs had a lot of Croatian ties. So it was like, okay, was there some sort of. a dissent there, some sort of party that wanted to be rid of him, or Boggs had also dissented against the Warren

Commission, which was the ruling body on the Kennedy assassination, and so was it somebody from there? So yeah, well, there's a lot of different roads we could go down. Yeah. Dude, I love that kind of stuff, though. It's, it's just, it be, it spons conspiracies because it

feels like a, like a derelict in duty. Like, you, there, if this story is true, maybe they, maybe they, behind the scenes, they said this guy was just full of it, and maybe that there wasn't anything to it, But the same measure, it feels a lot like they just don't look over here. We're just not going to. You know, which is fascinating because when you mentioned harp is there now, it just makes you question what's happening in this region, right?

The natural stuff aside that, you know, what's going operationally going on in that region that, you know, that we're not supposed to really know about potentially? Yeah, so harp is interesting because they installed that in early to mid-90s. actually while I was there, I think it was 93. They started on that. So that was run by the U.S. government. And it no longer is run by the government. They shut it down about 10 years ago.

And then they gave it to the university. So the university is using it now. But I think whatever they had learned there with ARP, the government got what they wanted out of it. And I think that because think about the way technology works, right? How did our computers look, you know, back in 1993? Awesome. They looked really awesome.

It was amazing. It was grain-srain, Oregon Trail. Yeah, Oregon Trail. There you go. Yeah. Got a lot of the big mainframes that I worked on, these huge cabinets and stuff like that. Everything is shrunk, shrunk, shrunk, shrunk back down. So that harp technology over the 20 years that they were working on that research, I imagine they have shrunk down that technology. And, I mean, you think about the whole complex of harp is really huge.

But, you know, these days you could be what, driving around in a van with it. Yeah, that's scary. That's a scary thought too. Maybe they shrunk it down even more and it's in a briefcase. Used to be like Doc Brown in the old West making an ice cube. You know, he had that giant machine. And now it's just like this little tiny thing. We can do it.

Are there any undiscovered megaliths up there, you think? Things that kind of the ancients knew about this? So we mentioned a little bit about the black pyramid. We don't know whether it truly exists. We have the stories that have come out. out of there. One of the problems with megaliths in Alaska is a lot of things are buried under ice, that sort of stuff. Glaciers kind of get in the way. So that's an issue. But there, yeah, there is an object called the Sphinx of Ophir, which during the Iditarod races, they pass right by

it all the time. And so, you know, it's, it could be a natural formation or it could have been a man-made formation that over time has been weathered down. But they call it a sphinx. And so it is kind of an interesting formation. So it's possible. Do you think, what's your opinion? Do you think there's stuff? Because, you know, there's all these Google Earth people that pull up and say there's pyramids in Antarctica, right? They're like, this is just too geometrically. Is that, you think that kind of stuff exists underneath the ice cap and stuff? So that's interesting. So the Antarctica stuff is truly fascinating. And yeah, I've seen that. And I actually use that example in the book.

you know if that is a pyramid it would be an absolutely huge pyramid because we're talking it's like you know a thousand feet tall at least so it would be massive but i don't think totally out of the question because antarctica wasn't always there at the south pole you know it was in other parts of the globe and they've done the core samples you know they found ancient jungles under there so you know all these different parts of the world had once been connected to each other and so I do believe that there was an ancient civilization that was there, whether or not they built a huge pyramid. I mean, it just looks so uncannily like a perfect pyramid. But, yeah, I believe that there's hidden technology under the ice.

And that's one of the, I believe that's one of the reasons why, you know, Hitler made his way all the way down there, at least the Nazis under Hitler's orders, you know, to find, you know, possible hidden technology that was down there from ancient civilizations. He was really, really big on let's find all the power pieces. So, you know, if you talk about some of these ancient civilizations, like ancient Egyptians or, you know, predating that the Atlantean civilization, which was not just a city, it was worldwide, well, did they have a colony there on what we would call Antarctica and, you know, is possibly under the ice some of their technology that was used to build these pyramidal structures, which I think was more of like an anti-gravity technology. I mean, again, we're kind of speculating here, but I believe it's possible. You said this place was steps from the water. We just haven't found the steps yet. How much did we save? Enough.

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It matters where you stay. Hilton, for the stay. Yeah, I love that kind of stuff because it's just there's so much mystery. And you do realize that like the climate's changed. We go from Ice Age to not an Ice Age and you have these things that are hidden. And it's fun to think about at the least. Who knows? And you're right.

There's that part of the world especially. It sort of garners a lot of really interesting attention from some nefarious characters. And then also if you want to go with government being nefarious, governments as well are very interested in in whatever's happening you know on the south pole which is oh yeah which is super wow been for a long long time yeah and you know it's not like you can go tour there no right yeah you have to get special permission to be there so yeah so you know and i think and i think now we have this new technology they're discovering all these ancient civilizations all in places where the vegetation has grown over you know using

lidar and other things like oh there was this massive site here and one of our good friends Derek Olson was talking about how they're in Brazil there's all these pyramids that they're finding yeah and there's all this evidence for it so it's it's almost like we're rediscovering how vast the ancient societies actually were and where they were you know they're saying oh there's megaliths in montana which isn't and uh i don't know some of those things actually look natural it's really difficult the the debate sort of go rages on but it seems as though there was an ancient race of and we would say on our show that there was giants that were building a lot of things alongside

humankind. And that's where we get all the giant lore is because they were, they seem to have some sort of understanding of how to build things. But there's evidence of mounds and pyramids all over the world. And I was just wondering if Alaska had,

you would think that somehow these, they knew where to build these pyramids. And so they seem to have built them on top of energy, places that had a lot of energy. I don't think they just randomly, well, this looks like a good spot. Right.

Yeah. Yeah. And Alaska, they have their own giant stories too. Yeah. It was a guy, Michael Kazing, this was back in the 1930s, and I tracked down this document, 500 pages of handwritten legends and lore

from the Inuit culture, because he realized that a lot of the stories were being lost, and he wanted to make sure that these things were captured and not forgotten. And it's broken English. It's a little hard to make your way through it. but many, many stories of giants coming over from Siberia. So basically, you know, across the land bridge, which makes sense. And I kind of look at that as giants from Siberia.

So are these related to like the Denisovans? Because the Denisovans are supposed to be, you know, very large in stature. So, okay, there's a possibility there. But then as, you know, he starts talking about these giants, he's talking about them, you know, mating with the human women and creating these other types of giant hybrids. This is in the innu, and I'm like scratching my head like, wait a minute,

wait a minute. This is eerily familiar to like the story we have of the Nephilim meeting with the human women. It's like, how in the world did this story that we, you know, consider biblical, Middle Eastern?

How did that make its way all the way up to Alaska in these giant tales? So you see these different connections like this. And it's just, to me, that stuff is amazing. I mean, I think that they were, people still see them up in Canada, apparently. They come out of the ground, you know. And then you have all these, like, TikTokers trying to find their, like, doorways and mountains and things. Right. If you're going to hide, if you're going to be a giant, I'd go to Alaska.

Seems like you could, you could have a good life in Alaska. It's like the tropics for giants up there. Just retire and hang out. And I believe that they existed at different points in our history. Sure. You know, you find, okay, there's all the stories about the Smithsonian hiding things. That was certainly a policy of theirs. Anything that they dubbed pre-Columbian, they just destroyed or they hit away.

It's like Edina Jones, man. They started just put it down in the warehouse. Just put it all the way, take the arc all the way down and hide it and all the rest of the boxes somewhere. Mike, have you talked to the bone yard guys up in Alaska doing the bone yard stuff? They're always. Yeah, I have not. Okay. It's interesting, though.

Yeah. Everyone's always telling us to interview those guys. I don't know anything about them, but I know that they're always, they just finding all this, these bones. And I'm wondering if they found anything that would get them in trouble. Yeah, you never know. And there's been plenty of stuff up there, giant heads that have been found up there, catalogs at the Smithsonian. And then, you know, it's, they go missing. So you can't even study them. Yeah, it's just unfortunate. What particularly drew you to that area? Like, why did you feel like you needed to write a book? Well, I spent three years there when I was in the Air Force from one.

Yeah, and you know, it's interesting because I never really thought that I would re-explore that area the way that I have. I mean, yeah, I had some experiences up there. There was different things that I came to know during my time there. But really, what inspired me was getting tapped for the Alaska Triangle television show. That production company had found me through a totally unrelated video to Alaska, but it was the type of material that I was talking about on YouTube, which had to do with the relationship between. energetic places on earth, laylines, and paranormal supernatural activity. And it was actually not a very widely watched video. Yeah. Didn't get a lot of views. But they found that. And they're like, okay, we want to talk to this guy about, about earth energy. So we got on a call and we're just,

you know, chatting back and forth, you know, about earth energy and different phenomena and all that sort of stuff. And they asked me, so what do you know about this sort of stuff happening in Alaska? And I said, well, you know, I spent three years in Alaska when I was in the Air Force and people talked about the Alaska Triangle. And they said, that's the name of our show. Like, oh, great. So it was like a perfect fit. So yeah, I worked on the show, did some episodes with them. And it just, that inspired me to, okay, this is, this is interesting. I started, you know, remembering some of my stories from when I'd been up there. And I just, I dove deeper into the research. So I have to say, yeah, it was a television show that inspired me to write that book. What do you think is like the number one story that

stuck with you all these years? Maybe you've already talked about it, but the one that kind of rattles your brain. Oh, that happened up there? Yeah. I mean, a couple of different things. One, kind of like one of the more bizarre things that occurred while I was up there. It was April 1993, and it was an airplane taking off from the Anchorage Airport. And all of a sudden, you know, was passing over just one of the engines fell right off of the thing and landed in a supermarket parking lot. Just boom. Fortunately, nobody was was hurt. And I can't imagine if you're out there wheeling your groceries and all of a sudden, this plane engine lands in the backside of the parking lot.

But nobody was back there. Some of the shrapnel kind of rained down into the local neighborhoods. People reported they would walk into their bedrooms and found. plane shrapnel, like sticking in the floor of the room. And somehow nobody got hurt. It was bizarre. So they blamed it on some sort of structural failure or whatever. But it's like it's these sort of strange things that that happen up there in Alaska.

Yeah. How does an airplane engine just fall off of a plane? Yeah. Yeah. Well, it doesn't seem, it doesn't seem so implausible now with what's going on with Boeing and everything else. Well, yeah. Yeah, somebody was asking me the other day, how do you feel about flying? Because I do a lot of flying.

It's like, well, you know, the percentage is really, really low. I mean, there's a handful of things that have happened here, but do you know how many flights go out every single day? It's just, you know, the percentage is really, really low. No helicopters in Iran. No. The other significant memories from Alaska, well, of course there were of wars.

Those are absolutely beautiful. What we had here the other week doesn't even compare to what we saw up there. But the building that I worked at the last two years, I had to wait a year for my security clearance to come in. And then I worked for two years in essentially the basement of the Alaska Command Building. I was working for, at that point it was called Worldwide Military Command Control Systems, which is now Global Command and Control Systems. So working at different communications devices for command,

for the different officers and command centers to issue communications between each other. So that was in the basement of the Alaska Command Building. We shared space with the Communications Center down there. And people routinely reported, and I saw it several times myself, what we would call shadow people. And these things would move in and about the office space mostly under the cubicle area. And then sometimes we'd see them dart into what we'd call it the rack room because there were all these different like patch panels, multiplexers, up on these racks, crypto devices, stuff like that. And then every once in a while, and there was a back room behind everything where some old printers were. and sometimes we see stuff dart in there.

So these were reported by many of us. In fact, when I first met my supervisor, it was kind of interesting. He was on some temporary assignment, maybe he was on vacation or whatever, the first week that I was there. And so I'm kind of getting to know the guys. And I was already seeing some stuff. Like, okay, what was that? Because you'd see something kind of like dart down the hall or, you know,

peek his head around. Okay, what's going on? So my supervisor was finally there. I'm sitting in his office. He has his door open. We're just getting to know each other. And all of a sudden, there was like this shadow that walked right by and I saw it and he noticed that I noticed it

and he just said yeah sometimes that happens here. That's crazy. He just left it at that. It's like, okay. So it was interesting is that people talked about the reason why this was happening. And we never took this off the chain of command or anything because they would have dubbed us crazy and would have been sent to mental health and we would have lost a security clearance. So we just kind of talked about amongst ourselves. Might have mentioned something to our supervisor. We're not taking it up the chain. So in those conversations,

there was a story that was going around that the reason why it was happening was because we were, that the building had originally been a hospital and that we were in the morgue of that hospital where the rack room was had been where they kept the coolers and everything. And I was like, okay, sure, that makes sense.

These are the souls of the people who had passed away. And that story stuck in my head for all of those years. So when I started doing research for Alaska's Mysterious Triangle, and I want to write about this, of course. So I dive into the research of the building because I want to get all my, you know, facts straight and, you know, all my ducks in a row and everything. And I'd come to find out that building was never a hospital.

It was built exactly what it was being used for. And that was command. So then it's like, okay, I'm scratching my head. Why in the world are we seeing these shadows down there? And so I can only speculate now. And of course, I can't go back and investigate in research because they'd never let me in there these days. But I'd love to. But again, we're talking the energy of the Alaska Triangle.

Then we're talking about everything else that's there as far as energy and equipment and all that. I think we were witnessing some sort of time slip that we were seeing, you know, shadows of personnel from the past, maybe personnel from the future, maybe even ourselves, this sort of thing. Wow. Because there's no other rhyme or reason for these things to have been there. So, yeah. The time is bizarre. Wishing you could be there live for the big game, soaking up the atmosphere of the crowd,

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it's the weirdest part of what we get into it's like you know trying to make sense of just if a creature exists then all of a sudden when when does the creature exist as a whole other rabbit hole of going down so I mean I guess I guess Mike if you're in the if you're in Alaska you see a portal open up and you're in the woods are do you walk in it

or do you or do you give it the peace sign and turn around what do you do I'd leave a note first and say hey I found this this is what I'm doing, I'm walking through. I'll let you know what happens on the other side if I make it. I would be totally, yeah, I would totally do it, but I would

leave a note first. Sounds like a rest of development. It's the rest of development. Always leave a note. Mike, I think my last question for you would be, you talked a lot about cryptids and creatures. Is there a specific, the little people, we actually,

this is the second time we've heard at least the second time we've heard about the little people lore from Alaska. But is there another cryptid or sort of creature that has a lot of run, if you will, or a lot of lore around it in the triangle besides the little people? Yeah, the Kush to come, be the other one, the Otterman, which is, it's kind of like the Windigo legends. So these things, you know, half man, half otter. when you see interpretations of it's very, very bizarre looking. And what they do is they hang out in the woods and they will lure people out into the woods with these different cries and calls that sound very human in nature and people will go out into the woods to see what's going on.

And the Kushika will either eat the person, you know, attack them, kill them, eat them. Or they will turn them into another Kushika. So, which is, again, kind of very similar to the Windigo-type legends, but it's half-man, half-Oter type of a form. Otter man. Otter man. Does he sleep holding hands with the other otter men? Maybe.

Or the otter women, maybe. Oh, that are women, yeah. Who knows? Oh, Mike, I love this conversation. And there's so much more because you've written on time travel, and you wish we written a book on Shadow People. I feel like we could open up a couple cans here and be here for a few hours.

But man, thanks for coming on the show. And can you share with our audience where they can find you, find your books, find your, the stuff you're working on? Yeah, absolutely. Podcasts, etc. Yeah, well, podcast is connecting the universe that's every Wednesday, 9, 8 o'clock p.m.

My website is mike rickricksackard.com. I also have a membership site, which is Connecting Universeportal.com. So like-minded people come together. We discuss a lot of these topics, and I have a ton of video content that is back behind the scenes there. And I also have my Connected Universe blog

that's up there now. I've been running out a few months now. And I've really enjoyed that because it's another outlet for my writing. So, yeah, you can find me in a lot of different places. Awesome. Thanks, Mike. I really appreciate you coming on.

Thank you both so much. We'll have to have you back if you enjoyed the experience. Any time. Thanks again. Alaska's big. It takes a few episodes. Absolutely.

So yeah, anytime you want me back, I appreciate it, Mike. Really be happy to. Yeah, yeah. And if we don't hear from you, we'll assume that you left a note and that you've gone elsewhere. So best to Godspeed, man. That's right. Take a GPS with you on that plane flight. You go back up there.

So we know where you are. We'll do. Thanks, Mike. Thanks, brother. Thank you.