Blurry Creatures - EP: 244 King Solomon's Treasure with Jim Barfield

Episode Date: June 12, 2024

Join us on this electrifying episode as we delve into the remarkable journey of Jim Barfield, the modern-day Indiana Jones, who claims to have deciphered the mysterious Copper Scrolls. These ancient artifacts, discovered in the Qumran Caves near the Dead Sea, are believed to be a treasure map leading to hidden riches from the Second Temple period. Barfield's relentless dedication and groundbreaking discoveries promise to reveal secrets lost to time. Tune in to uncover the fascinating world of the Copper Scrolls! Support the show! www.blurrycreatures.com/members Socials instagram.com/blurrycreatures facebook.com/blurrycreatures twitter.com/blurrycreatures Music Kyle Monroe: tinytaperoom.com & Parker Mogensen Outro Song: On the Run by TimeCop1983 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Luke so often, people email us and they have this story. They're out in their woods and they're looking in the bushes and they got, what's that? And when you are pouring your dog food and your dog's bowl, that's the last thing you want to say. What is that? What is the stuff coming out of this bag? You know, I don't think a lot of us think about maybe what we feed our dogs. And that's why we partner with rough greens. Most of us would love to have our dogs, you know, live as long as possible. I mean, I just lost my dog in December. And I would have just, I would have loved more time with Carl. And one of the things you can do to get more time with your dog is to feed them better. Dog owners don't usually realize that live nutrients, that their dog needs to thrive or missing from the food. You just talked about. What is that, right? That's where Rough Green comes in. It's America's number one dog supplement that you sprinkle on top of their food. It's packed with prebiotics, enzymes, omega oils, and 20 live vitamins and mineral support digestion, energy and overall health from the inside out. It's all natural made in the USA and thousands of dogs are feeling younger, more energetic and healthier than they have in years. That's why we love it.

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I go through it. I read the first one to him. And you picture this. He's leaning back in his chair, you know, totally disinterested. And he goes, read the second one to him. He starts setting up. I read the third one to him. Now he's shifting in his seat and he's leaning forward.

I read the fourth one to him. He picks it up and he goes, got up out of his chair. Now this is ultra-Orthodox, he comes over to me. He picks me up out of my chair, a little short guy, picks me up out of my chair and he kisses me on both cheeks. He said, do you know what this means to my people? The history of our earth is so different from what we can imagine. The Smithsonian, that if they found out about a large skeleton somewhere, was to go get it. I'm going to assume at least one person is right, because if one person's right and bust the paradigm,

it all goes back to the fallen chair. And the problem with the modern day church, they have a very truncated view of the supernatural. This backdrop that's just pregnant with all kinds of meaning associated with this Mount Herman event. And this guy defects from the kingdom. That's a big deal. This one's got it all, guys. You know, we love the 80s and the Raiders of the United. the Lost Ark, it doesn't come close to this.

We have, I mean, it's close, a little bit. I mean, this is all the things, you know, minus Berberin and Cigars that I love, which is history and treasure hunts, right? And I made a joke, make a joke at any episode about, you know, Tony Merkel and I wanted to go find Lost Confederate Gold, which is, we actually do talk about. Yeah. This is, you just need Tim Mabarino in on this one. We need Tim, I need a bullwip.

We need all, all the things. Yeah. Maybe Tim with his jungle dreadlocks and his cloak to, to, to join us, but... We're talking the Copper Scroll, which is... I don't even think we said that yet. The Copper Scrolls, it's one of these Dead Sea Scrolls that was found in Cave 3, you know, and...

In Qumran. Yeah, in Qumran. And it's more like a... It's like an ancient treasure map. It's not like your traditional literary work that was found. This is, like, actually on a scroll of copper, and you can still see it in the Jordan Museum. Right now, you can go there. But our buddy, our new buddy, Jim, from Oklahoma.

says he's figured out the clues to find the treasures of the treasures of Solomon basically and all the ancient stuff gold silver article arc of the covenant articles of the temple i love this because jim jim's just a regular guy he's retired investigator worked in the law enforcement aspect of the fire department investigating arsons and and he you know in his retirement was fascinated by this enigmatic scroll right because we were just saying the scrolls at dead's the Dead Sea Scrolls are papyrus, they're, they're animal skin, they deteriorate. We have fragments, right? But this thing, because it's made of metal, the entirety of this thing survives.

And Jim Barfield, the Copper Scroll Project is our guest. And he believes he's figured it out. And he's cracked the code. And what he contends this thing says about what's hidden in Qumran, of course, which was the, the community there at the Dead Sea of the Aseans that, that hid away. the Dead Sea Scrolls is fantastic. And he's got a mountain of research he's put together over almost 20 years

of discovering and unwrapping and decoding this treasure map, if you will. And he's going to walk us through it. And it is pretty wild. It's all things in your wheelhouse. It's history. It's the bone zone. It is old.

Some esoteric stuff hidden in the... gold treasure metal detectors the whole likes it's it's fascinating it's fascinating and I you know I love it because it does

we talk about it a bit but the what Jim proposes is stored and hidden via the Copper Scroll is quite possibly would be the greatest

discovery archaeous discovery in history and the implications of the articles that he believes are hidden in Kumran would essentially play right into into eschatology

into the rebel of the temple, etc. So a fascinating guy. Guy just want to kind of hang out with and listen to him. I love it. I love it's all these obsessed guys that find these things. There's a lot of people we've interviewed like him over the years that just

they find their rabbit hole, they get into it, whether it's the pyramids or chemical factory. or the Red Heifer episode, which just kind of falls in line with some of the things we've been talking about lately. If you want to listen to some of our back catalog and understand where we are in this podcast,

sometimes dive it in right from this point. It's a little confusing, but you can become a member and listen to some members episodes where we bring on people who talk about their firsthand encounters with some of the weird stuff out there. But blurrycreatures.com slash members,

we're going to get Jim on this one and hop in. Thanks for everyone who supports the show, shares us with friends and continues to come back week after week. Yeah, dig into the weird stuff. So it's good Jim on. Thank you guys so much. All right, welcome back to Blurry Creatures. We got a good one for you today.

We're going to talk about the Copper School project. We have Jim Barfield with us today, the director. You are a retired criminal investigator, and now you've devoted your life to uncovering these mysteries, and that gets us into like the Dead Sea Scrolls and a lot of the topics we talk about here on Blurray Creatures. We often go back to the ancient world, and we get into, we have a book of Enoch actually coming out soon,

And so we like talking about these topics. But welcome to the show. Thanks for coming on, Jim. And we kick it off every time. What are your thoughts on Bigfoot? What do you think about Bigfoot? And then we can get into all the fun stuff that you like to talk about. Bigfoot, I don't know.

I used to follow it a lot as a kid. But, you know, do I think it's possible? I think it's entirely possible. But without any positive, you know, positive proof like a skull or a body layer there, I don't know what to think. And the same thing, but I do. believe that there are a, I very much believe in that. It sounds kind of crazy for somebody that has such strong biblical beliefs as I do, but who's to say that there isn't some connections

with the Bible and the heavens? And that's the only best way I can put it. That's our show. You're tracking. You're tracking, Jim. Yeah, the same thing. We try to talk about how to, how to contextualize things like, like Bigfoot or like UFOs and the aliens, you know, in terms of the Bible. And we talk about extraterrestrials in the terms of the angels themselves are extraterrestrial. They're not of earth. Not of earth. And so. Yeah. And we talk a lot about giants, which gets us into the subjects that more of the ancient world. Like how many giant tribes there were and where they came from. And is Sasquatch sightings related to these giants that we're supposed to have existed all over the place? And we, and Luke and I've even gone to Peru. And we've done,

you know, gone to see some of the megaliths in Peru. So we've done our own little bit of sightseeing and exploring. So I think that. That's awesome. I think that is fantastic. I love that about guys willing to go out and, you know, stretch their limbs a little bit and get out there and explore. Find out for sure. I believe in the Giants. Yeah. Well, I mean, I think it's in the Bible and it's one of those things that's glossed over, you know, a lot of times on Sundays because it's, but you got David and Goliath. That's an easy story we tell our kids in Sunday school. Yeah. But when we talk about the reality of these creatures, Sometimes it gets a bit uncomfortable these days, but that's really what we do.

We talk about ancient history, some of the enigmas, would it be the pyramids or ancient megalithic construction, et cetera. But today, you're here because the Copper Scroll project. And the Copper Scroll is something that we haven't talked about on the show, which is why I was really excited to have you on. We have, as Nate mentioned, we have our own book at Enoch coming out. And that really connects to Qumran and to the Dead Sea Scrolls, right? When they found the scrolls, the second most copied book was First Enoch.

And among that was what? you've been most interested in, but I would love to hear your story. You are a, as Nate said at the top, your retired law enforcement officer in your retired years instead of playing golf or fishing or doing something like that. Maybe you still do that, but you've really devoted a lot of your time and efforts to deciphering this enigma of the Copper Scroll. So can you tell us a bit of your story and then lay some background on what the Copper Scroll is for our listeners that have no familiarity with this?

Yeah, absolutely. golf fishing, not even remotely. I'm just not interested in that. My parents used to take me out every weekend, practically every day of the week. And as a kid, I got sick of it. You know, how many carp can you eat in one week? I just, you know, I just fed up with it. But, you know, I started off.

My background is, you know, I was a criminal investigator, primarily arson and causes for fires. Just because the house catches on fire and it's strange, doesn't mean it's arson. So you've got to make those determinations. And that's what I did. And I got fairly decent at it. I won Oklahoma Investigator of the year and I won international investigator of the year. And there might, you know what, though, the reason I got fairly good at it is because I did so much biblical research.

Because the investigation is nothing more than research. You're investigating some ruins. Well, Coomran, the place where I believe all these treasures are buried, It's a set of runs. So that's what I did. I applied some of the skills that I learned as an investigator, mainly documentation. Without your documentation, your investigative skills are nothing. You've got to document everything.

And that's what I did. I applied my Bible, my love for the Bible, my love for God. And I applied that to figure out this copper scroll because I met a guy. His name was Vendril Jones. Vendell was he was the copper scroll guy of his day and I had no clue what his research was. So I went to visit with him. Just happened to meet a lady online. I was doing some biblical research.

She was on, I think it was Israel National Radio. I went online. She was on there. I went on to listen to her class. She was like, listen, she was doing this class out of Bethel. She was leading in the class. she saw my name. You got to, you know, you got to sign in. I signed in. My name was Jim, Apache, OK. Jim from Apache, Oklahoma is what it meant. She texted me in private text. She said,

where are you from, Jim? And I remember, it's out of Bethel Israel. And I said, I'm in Apache, Oklahoma. She left. She said, oh, my gosh, I'm in Elgin, Oklahoma. Well, that's where my wife is from, like eight miles from here. So here's this lady, teach you the class out of Israel. And it's circulating through Israel National Radio, and we met. She invited me to meet Vindle Jones, who was, like I said, the Cuppercrow guy. I go to this house. I sit and listen to him. I don't understand how he's doing this.

There's no documentation, no records. He's just all off the top of his head. Still a very interesting guy. After that meeting, I decided, you know what? I was pretty good at this investigative stuff. I'm going to apply what I know about biblical research and. investigative research and see if I can figure out this copper scroll. Now, here's the part that's hard for people to believe.

It was in December when I finally got around to it. I met him like in June. December rolls around. I had taken, you know what a Nazarite's vow is? Yeah. That was like a big thing like when I was in high school. Wow. Taking a Nazarite vow.

Yeah, there are some guys that do that. Like you don't cut your hair. There's a, I remember that one especially. And it was in the 90s, mid-90s, and I had a buzz cut. And I was like, I just don't think I can do the long hair thing. But the rest of it I might be able to jive with. But yeah, definitely. That's amazing.

You're one out of 100 that knows what a Nazarite vow is. And I'm impressed that, you know, the teenagers are doing that. I did it. I took the vow. I did it for like three years. And sad story, I had a grandchild that passed away. Well, if you're in a room where a child passes away, you have to end your vow. and start over.

Well, at that point, I couldn't start over because I had like really long hair. And, you know, my, whenever you're old, your gray hair becomes like cotton candy. You just go, like one little puff in your hair's everywhere. So I was constantly having to keep it in a long ponytail and it got in the way a lot. But my point is about this vow. I separated myself to the service of God for those three years. And it was during that vow that I started, I was like six months into my valve. My hair was about shoulder length by then.

And I went up to my room. It was cold December morning, really, really cold here in Oklahoma. And I decided, I'm going to start today. I took out my copy of the Dead Sea Scroll, the Copper Scroll, and I put it on my table. And I had a version that was translated by Martinez. The guy, he did a good enough job that I've, and listen, this is the hard part to believe. Within five minutes, I knew how to understand the Copper Scroll. You know how I did it?

I did what most men never do. I followed the instructions. By gosh, it worked. And I did what it said. It said, under the ruins of the Valley of Accor. So I said, okay, Valley of a Corps, this is where it's at. And I thought, well, you know what? The only set of ruins I'm familiar with is Qumran.

So on my desk, there was a map of Qumran laying there. I picked it up, set it. And it's not unusual. Most people would be unusual. But for me, I'm a big, Detsy scroll guy. I laid it down on my desk. And I read the first one under the Roos Valley Corps. I said, I'm going to stay in this set of ruins until it doesn't work anymore.

If I follow the instructions and it's not within this set of ruins, I'll find another set of ruins. Try again. Didn't need to. Found the first one within five minutes. Found the second one like within another six to eight minutes. The third one, the fourth one. Within 20 minutes, I had the first five figured out.

And I am sitting at my desk going, oh my gosh. This is, I've got to be wrong. This can't be. Because these guys have been trying to figure it out since 1952 and they couldn't figure it out. and they got PhDs. I had a high school diploma. You know, I don't have the background for this,

but you know what I think? I think God honored my love for this stuff. And he recognized that I was dedicated by the Denizzerite bow, and this all might be hogwash. It may be just a coincidence that I found all this. But within 20 minutes, I had the first five locations figured out. So that's how I got started on the Copper Scroll. But it was a great start.

fantastic start. Jim, can you explain exactly what the Copper Scroll is when it was discovered and why it's been a mystery among all of the other things discovered in the caves of Qumran, which we know are, you know, a ton of a ton of the biblical text, Book of Isaiah, Genesis, you know, along with First Enoch, which we mentioned and another, a bunch of apocrypha. But one of the things that was really interesting was found was what you're, what you've been just talking about and studying was the Copper Scroll. Can you explain some of the history on that? And then what people have made of this? up until now and sort of in your take on all that? Yeah, absolutely. The Copper Scroll is, and I'm just going to tell you what it. It's a treasure map. It's a verbal treasure map where you read it. It gives you instructions. You follow your instructions.

One after the other. There's 57 locations. One after the other. And it's in a pattern. Look here. Dig this deep. Find these items. And so that I just,

Every time the pattern ended, it ended with how many talents. You know what a talent is? Yeah, biblical speaking. It's a measure of weight. Measure of weight. And the amount is 75 pounds. The best figure I could find, and the most common was 75 pounds. A talent weighs 75 pounds.

Well, location number two, and I'm going to get back to the description here in a minute, location number two has 900 talents of gold, polished gold. Do the math. You're talking at the second location, you're talking two billion, almost two billion dollars worth of gold in one location. So it is the Copper Scroll is a treasure map. I don't like to call it a treasure map because I'm not a treasure hunter. The guys that are sincere about the Dead Sea Scrolls,

they're not a treasure hunter, Asian. But the Dead Sea Scrolls a library for the people at Qumran. Now, the biggest mystery is who were those guys at Kumran? wrong. And I'm going to tell you flat out, I'm absolutely sure those guys were the prophets of Israel. And they tied directly with, are you familiar with the Mocquezzan order? Yeah. Oh, yeah. We haven't released it. Yeah. We did an episode on that guy, on the mysterious guy and his appearances in the structure and figuring out, you know, who this could have possibly been, et cetera. We haven't released at the time we're recording this right now, but we absolutely.

Would you rather I didn't tell you who it was? No, your opinion's great. Yeah. It's really important to this whole story. The Mokazate order is absolutely important to this Copper Scroll story. It's important to any of the documents from the Detsu collection. The guy was, and it's really simple, nothing mystical about it once you figure it out. It's the name of Shem.

You know who that is? Yeah. Son of Noah. son of Noah that's all it is and an easy way to figure that out go to second Peter and look Noah was the eighth teacher of righteousness well that's that's a Melchazadec teacher of righteousness and that Melchazadee he was the one that went through the flood Noah and his three boys and their his wife and their daughter-in-law's okay now that that person was Shim. That was the guy

that Abraham paid ties to. I mean, the Jewish people know this, but known it forever. I do the chronology research as well. And sometime offline, maybe I could show you guys. I think you'd be pretty fascinated. Every time I teach the thing, people are begging me for the copy of my research. But all those guys, the boring stuff in the Bible, and Adam begat, you know, Seth and Seth begat, you know, some kept, keep going down.

go down those Melchizedex, guess who the eighth one is? It's Noah. And the one right after that is Shim. Shim is the one. And on this timeline that I've got, the lives extend for hundreds of years. And when one of them dies, the next Melchizedek in the family group, he takes over. And I can tell you who all the Melchizedex were. That's why it's called a Melchizedic order and not a Melchazidic person.

Yeshua, Jesus, was of the Melchazidic order. That's right. The Bible talks about that. Yeah. Yeah, it's in Hebrews. Yeah. Yeah. I love talking to guys at no Bible because it makes my job a lot easier.

So, yeah. Anyway, that's, it's really important. That's really important to the story that Edcy Scrolls are really important to know that those people at Qumran, they were the Milkezzadec order. That was the home of the prophets. The prophets were part of the Millsikaheck Order, too. I'll tell you something you may not have known and you may have heard about it. I made a discovery as I was going through the Copper Scroll and I was trying to figure out, you know, what did Jerusalem look like at the time of King David?

And I found one. I found a map. And I thought, oh my gosh, what? Why did these guys in Jerusalem, these PhD guys that were writing this story that I was looking at? why did they draw a map of Qumran upside down? And I got to look at it. I thought, oh, my gosh, that's not Qumran. That's Jerusalem, exactly what I was looking for.

What they did, the prophets, those guys at Qumran, and nobody knew this until I found it out. They built Qumran as a match for Jerusalem. If you took a map of Qumran, a map of Jerusalem, and did an overlay, they would match really close. the names of the buildings on the Copper Scroll match up with all the buildings or the main significant buildings on the map, Qumran map and the Jerusalem match up very, very well. So, and your buddy Cornute, that's one of the reasons I don't agree with it. Don't mind it all like we said earlier. I don't mind at all.

But the guy, the guys at Qumran, they left an indicator with the table. temple is that. It's called the room of the teacher of righteousness. And right outside of his room, there is a pillar. That pillar is a pillar, Boaz. What are the two pillars in front of the temple, Boaz and Yakin? Why they only had one pillar there? I don't know. And guess what? That pillar, the capstones, are still at the exact same place and described as part of the instructions for figuring out the copper scroll. So, back to the copper scroll. So back to the copper. scroll it is a treasure map leading to the temple treasures and the temple treasures are the treasures of king solomon you know a lot of the a lot of the phd guys think it was during herein's time now guys

that's that's not true at all i mean with all due respect to him this is all done all of it was done all the the dating that you find about the copper scroll was at the time of jeremiah jeremiah was the guy in charge of this whole deal so i'll stop there and let you ask your questions so who has has the Copper Scroll now? Oh, he's like LA Moors really. That's not the real Copper Scroll. That's nearly identical. I made it.

I took a facsimile of the real Copper Scroll, blew it up at a local office store, and then I turned it upside down and wrote it backwards. It's just like they did. The guy that wrote this Copper Scroll or a copper scroll very similar to this one, they had to do it backwards and upside down because they read from right to left, we read from left to right. Right. So, yes, there is.

It's in Amon Jordan. At the museum in Amon Jordan, there is a real copper scroll. Okay. So if you're saying, you think these treasures were buried the time of Jeremiah? Positive. Absolutely positive. So when the Aseans at Qumran were storing away their libraries in these caves, they were in, as you say, like a community of prophets,

do you think they were also guarding all of this treasure? They were aware they were. Absolutely. Yeah. Why do you think they hid this map away? Was it, because I guess I can't, I'm trying to remember the history of Coomran and when it sort of ceased to be a thriving space.

I knew the Aesans were there and they had separated themselves really from what's happened in Jerusalem and they were sort of set apart, if you will. Yeah. So they created this treasure map to let everybody know or let whoever know who would decipher it that these treasures are hidden.

At what point do you think, so it's buried in time of Jeremiah, what point do these, Do the Aseans disappear, do you think? That's easy, but it all happened because of the Babylonian exile. Actually, there was an attack. The date of the attack is given on two documents. It's called the marble tablets that were found in the Ezekiel tomb in Iraq.

Then the other one is a Mechamelech. It is a 17th century document written by Neftali Hertz. They give the date on the marble tablet gives the date of 3331 from Adam. That's exact to the year. That's exactly where all of this took place. The year that the Copper Scroll was written, the date is given on there. Same date. 3331 from Adam because they date everything from Adam.

And it's in the current Jewish timing. There's an additional timing that goes from Adam. I've got it on my time. It goes all the way from Adam to the year 2040. And that's about 228 years difference in the constant one. And the Jewish one is currently being used. And I can't tell you why. I don't know why.

But back to your point, it's all this was done during the time of Jeremiah. So, Jim, you think the Babylonians are advancing on Jerusalem? We know that they actually conquer Jerusalem and take the Israelites, into captivity. That's, we know it from the Bible, but you think is this happening that they're whisking away this treasure and then depositing it at Coomran?

Or do you think it's been a deposit or a repository before? It was. Well, how do you, okay. It was a, it was a, there's, it even talks about it on the cup scroll. It describes it. It tells you where it's at, describes it.

And the walls of this thing, it looks like a pyramid. The bottom half of a pyramid that the top of it got cut off. And the walls are, like 10, 15 feet thick. And there's really thick, you know, like three foot walls inside. They got really tiny little doors that you have to get in. So if you got in the thing and you're trying to lift a 70 pound ingot out of there,

you've got a job ahead. You're a giant. So, yeah, and these guys, these guys have buried them. You know who they were? There were five of them. And I'm going to name three of them that you'll know. One was Haggai. One was Zachariah.

And the other one was Baruch. You remember Baruch? In the Bible, it's Jeremiah's scribe. No. Didn't remember him. Oh, yeah. And there's even documents that are written by Jeremiah with Baruch being the scribe. And he's given credit for his work on the end of the document, written or dictated by

Jeremiah, written by Baruch, the scribe. So all of this was done, the time of Jeremiah, I got the documentation. and it's not something I came up with. It's a documentation that was available. You just had to find it. It's Jewish documents, of course. Jim, what treasures are buried there? You said there's 57 sites.

What have you deciphered from the scroll that you believe is buried in Qumran? Oh, my gosh, it's incredible. First, let me give you the first three. First three locations. Location number one was 17 talents of silver service of vessels. How much did we say a talent was weighed? 75 pounds.

75 pounds. Yeah. I do 17 times 75 pounds. You get a lot of weight there. Over a ton. I don't remember exactly what is off the top of my head. But silver service vessels, let's just put it in monetary value for a second.

One bowl, 10 ounces. If you found a bowl of solid silver, 10 ounces, it's worth about 350 bucks. Approximate. But what if that bowl and is documented that that bowl came from, the tabernacle of Moses. Now how much is it worse? It's priceless.

Off the charts. Just one bowl. There's hundreds of thousands of bowls buried at Coomron and goblets and platters. And it's all the vessels that are needed for the sacrificial system. So what's there? You've got mostly vessels from the Temple of Solomon. You've got in Second Maccabees, it describes it really well, the really important stuff. I mean, it's all important.

But in the third location, that's where we're headed now. In the third location, it explains to you that there is a breastplate. Do you remember from being Bible studies? What is that breastplate called that the high priest wears on the day of atonement? I just know the breast of righteousness. There you go. That's all I know. Isn't there a name because the ephod, right?

Isn't it a ephod with all the stones? How many stones are on it? 12. You're going to be something. There you go. 12 for the 12 tribes. Yeah. 12 for the 12 tribes.

And that a fight is named as being in the third location. Here's a really neat thing about this. Oh, there's actually a breastplate of righteousness that exists is what you're saying. Sometimes it feels like when you get that phone bill, it's like the crash site document. You can't read it. There's a bunch of numbers, random fees, vague language, stuff's blacked out. You're like, what am I actually paying for? I don't know about you, but I like keeping my mind.

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Yeah, 100%. Here's the deal. Really interesting. This is the Indiana Jones. kind of stuff. Location number one is about 300, 380 yards from the ruins of Kumran. I'm sorry, location one is right there in Kumran. Location two is at the edge of Kumran. Location three, where the EFOT is at, is about 380 yards from Kumran.

Here's the neat thing. All three of those are in a perfectly straight line. And I, and I, you know how I found. it as I was doing the last five. I did the, uh, as was it 53. Yeah, I think it's 53. I found it. It's right there by a micw at the south end of the south end of the buildings. Uh, the next one was right by what they call a basin for the females to bathe and, you know, whenever they're in their cycle or after their cycle. And it's got a special little trough. It leads to contaminate water outside of the outside of the, outside of the cycle. And, you know, whenever they're in their cycle.

the buildings and deposits it outside the camp. The next one is in a specific room that I found it right away. The fourth one is very close to that 900 talents I told you about. But the fifth one is the cave. So you've got one, two, and three, but the third one is the cave, a specific cave that's even mentioned in the book of Second Maccabees. And I'll tell you about that in the second. But locations 53, p.4, 55, p.

if it's 657 are in a perfectly straight line, and they both point exactly to that cave I just told you about. And when I figured that out, I just, I mean, I got cold chills because I'm the guy that figured it out. The guys that wrote this, Haggai, Zachariah and Baruch,

they were talking to me. They were talking to the guy that figured this out. That's who they were speaking to, and I figured it out. Wow. Now, you guys might be saying, And they're going, this guy is full of Maloney. I don't mind because I got a lot of things to tell you about that.

Go ahead. So this is found in the cave. Is it that this is the last scroll that they found? Do we have the whole entire thing still? Or do we just have pieces of it? It's copper. So it didn't deteriorate like the like the papyr or the like the scrolls did that we have fragments. But the whole thing is found.

It's made out of metal, man. There's a picture. It's a little, it's a little green. gray like the old Statue of Liberty right now. It is. It is. And it's made, it's a different, you said it's a different, it's not this, the language is a little different. So it's more esoteric in the way it's describing, but it's just telling you these places where this stuff is hidden. There's no like, it's not like a right, it's not like a literary

work. That's it. Most people think Dead Sea Scrolls, they think this is some sort of like book that didn't make the Bible or something, you know? Yeah. No, it's, it wouldn't intend to be literary work. It was intended to be instructions to find these treasures, which are massive, massive amounts of treasure. So, this is like a movie, Jim. Like, it feels, it feels like this is like Indiana Jones 5. And we finally, you know, we got, we got rid of Shia Labuff. And the rest of that crap, they tried to put down our throats. And they bring back, you know, 90-year-old Harrison Ford.

And he's digging up 57 sites in Qumran. And the Ascines, they hit all this treasure, is what you're saying. Yeah, yeah. here's what happened real quick what happened was in that year 3331 3331 from adam they were attacked to kumran guess who attacked them as the babylonians that was the very first year that that nebuchadnezzar became king of babylon he was stretching his young legs and he wanted to go out and kick some boutet and that's what he did he went to kumran and attacked them they darn near lost kumran had they lost Qumran, they would have lost all the treasures of the Tabernacle of Moses and the

Temple of Solomon. So it all happened at the same time. Well, after that attack was complete, that a lot of guys were killed, a lot of the priests were killed. They decided, Jeremiah, I'm sure, because he was the head at that time in history. He told them, guys, let's get this stuff in the ground. We can't take it very far. They had the temple treasury, right there on site. So they started taking all the temple treasury and started burying it in the ground all over the place at Coomron, 57 locations, actually 55 because two of those locations are in that same cave, those two, same two K and the same cave.

So that's how that worked out. That's why it worked out the way it did. Jim, the obvious question here for me is this is the last known siding or of the Ark of the covenant. Yeah. Is at the time of the Babylonian sacking of Jerusalem by 586 BC, I believe, if something along runs that. And after

that it sort of disappears. Do you think that the ark is buried at the repository in Qumrah? Here's what Imekhamelech says. Yes. That's what it's wild. That's wild. Not only that. Second Maccabee. You have copy a second Maccabees at home?

I do in an work of Apocrypha. I've got all the apocrypha. I have, but I have I haven't read it yet. Wouldn't take you five minutes. Second Maccabees, second chapter. Just grab it, open it up, and read that first page of that. And it says that Jeremiah had all this orchestrated, and he took all the treasures of the house and buried them inside of a cave,

and so sealed the entrance. Same wording, same description as the last description on the Copper Scroll, which is location number 57, three and 57 are the same location. They buried all this stuff. They sealed the opening of the cave and then buried the entrance to that cave for a long time in the future.

That's what it says. So this was meant for, I'm telling you, I believe it's for today because each one of those documents that verify or support, excuse me, support my thoughts about Qumran

being the location. They all say, When these things are found, it will be the time of the coming of the Messiah, the re-gathering of Israel, and the biggest thing, it would be the time of the coming of the Son of David, the Messiah. We're here. I told you, I do chronology research. 6,000 years.

Are there any other documents that speak of the Copper Scroll that are extraneous to the scroll itself? Is it mentioned anywhere else? Is it talked about? Or are the origins or the makeup of the? talked about anywhere else? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Those same documents that they've been telling about.

One of them is, it's called Emekamelech, which means Valley of the King, which is where we're talking about all this stuff happening. It says that, uh, Jared, they's, matter of fact, they're the ones that named all the writers of that thing. Hold on. Let me show you some. And that's a, is that a Jewish work? Yeah.

It sounds like, yeah. Anything to do with that stuff is a Jewish word. You can't. That makes sense. Yeah. You can't separate them. Sometimes I ask them. questions just for the obvious.

No, that's all right. That's fine. Listen, here's what they say. These records were written by five righteous means. This is Dali the king in Macomeli. Shemur Halibi, that's Baruch, Hezekiah, Zedekiah, those two, I don't know for sure who they are, but Haggai the prophet and Zachari, the son of Edu, the prophet. That is a no-brainer. Then it says, they concealed these vessels of the temple and the wealth of the treasures that

are in Jerusalem and in every place. And there will not be discovered until the day of the coming of the Messiah, the son of David, speedily in our time. Amen. Then it says, these are the holy vessels and the vessels of the temple that were in Jerusalem in every place. Now listen, they were inscribed by Shemur Halivi, the scribe, and his companions on the Luach Nehosh, which is a copper plate.

Wow. So, and that's not the only place that I find that. And they haven't found, and they haven't found any other copper. Is this the only? No, no, no. And this is before, this is written before the, it's, it's rediscovered in, and when the Dead Sea Scrolls discovered, correct? This is, this is written about it.

1950s, right? It was found in 1952. So this, but this writing is, is old. It's not, they're not, they're not writing about the discovery of, this saying this is written by this. They're writing about this thing that they know exists that's missing until 1952. Remember, one of them was some tablets or like Walshow, picture of all things. Tablets of Ezekiel tablets are marble. Marble tablets. It's a whole book of Ezekiel and this same story that I read to you about Emechamele

the king, same two stories. One's written on a marble tablets inside of the tomb of Ezekiel in Peru and Iraq. The other one was found in Lebanon. Emek Hamelik was found in Lebanon. Now, here you go. You've got these two documents saying the same thing. One found in Lebanon. One found in, wait a minute.

One found in Egypt. That was in Mechamelech. So you've got two very different sources, but the same story, same day, everything. That's amazing. We say Lebanon here in Tennessee. Lebanon? Lebanon. Lebanon.

Let me ask you this. So, you know, your interpretation or discovery and your decoding of this treasure map, how has that been received, you think, in Israel or by maybe the archaeological community? Because what I know what the deep people don't like is when someone who isn't in the club figures out stuff they can't figure out. It's, I mean, that is, it's the story of Egypt to a T, right? Anytime you have a theory that's valid and verify, viable that doesn't explain the way the Egyptologist, Shama, whatever's name is, explains it.

You're blackballed out. You're out. Right. And this is really the story of archaeology in general. So how has this been received by, you know, in those, in those circles? First, his name is Zahi Hawas. That's what I was trying to ask. Zahiajah, that's the Egyptian guy. Well, yeah. Here's what I ran into initially. They are, I had one guy. He was, I'm not going to call him what everybody wants me to call him. but he was not a nice guy. He, to this day,

it still does, matter of fact, he's done a couple of history channel pieces with me. We weren't in the same room at the same time or there could have been a problem. But he was, he said some really ugly things about me, my guys, that we're all in it for the money,

just, and he had no clue what he's talking about. But here's the deal. That's your question is a very good one. How do they take it? They didn't, They didn't take it well at all. They wrote, like I said, some really ugly things about me.

But here's the deal. I took my research. I go to Israel, a long story behind it, but I'll go to Israel and I have a meeting with one of the lead rabbis in Israel. He looks at me and I finally get in the same. It took me forever to get in like three or four days, trying to go back and forth, trying to get in. He finally said, okay, let this crazy guy from Oklahoma. man. So they let me in. I go in there and my buddy Chris Knight is with me. I've got my research in my hand. He said, he gets up. He's not a real big guy. He's just kind of short fellow.

He said, what can I do for you guys? I said, well, I said, are you familiar with the copper scroar? He said, of course I am. I said, well, I think I figured it out. That's where I lost it. He just went, I mean, he didn't do it intentionally, but I could just, oh gosh, I got a nut in my office. Yes. However, he said, you know what? Okay, let's see what you got. And I put my research on this little table between us and I slid it over in front of him. I read the first one under the Rizzen Valley Court. I go through it. I read the first one to him. And you picture this. He's leaning back in his chair, you know, totally disinterested. And he goes, read the second one to him. He starts setting up. I read the third one to him. Now he's shifting in his seat and he's leaning forward. I read the fourth one. one to him. He picks it up and he goes, he said, he said, just, he set it down. He got up out of his chair. Now, this is ultra-Orthodox. He got the payoff. Yeah. And he gets up. He comes over to me, he picks me up out of my chair, a little short guy, picks me up out of my chair and he kisses me on both cheeks. He said, do you know what this means to my people? He said, yeah, it means the same thing to

my people. He said, no, I don't think you know. He said, do you know what it is? I said, yeah, That's the treasures of King Solomon. He said, more than that, Jim. Now he's called me Jim. He said, it's more than that. He said, this is the dowry for the coming bride. And lights went on, I thought, oh, my gosh. Of course, you know, because they were big on having dowries for their brides.

Well, this is the dowry for the coming bride, the bride of the Messiah. That's what this is all about. That's why it's so important to get these things out of the ground. That's why I was glad to do this show with you because I want to tell the people in English-speaking world that it's here. If I'm truly correct, it's here. So I leave his office. I go to the head of the Antiquities Authority of Israel.

A friend of mine in Lawton, Oklahoma, a little Comanchee lady knew him. Wow. Long story behind him. She knew him. And it's an interesting story. But she said, she said, Jim, I can help me with you. project. I said, how are you going to do that, Juanita? She said, I know the guy that works at the Antiquities Authority. And she goes through a woman's story, goes around and around, around,

around the plan. And she, and I'm kind of late for an appointment. And I'm sitting in her office at the, I was teaching at a commensation college. I said, I said, Juanita, I said, how do you know that? She said, I met him years ago, blah, blah, blah, I here at Fort Hill, Oklahoma. He was a general in the Israeli army. Then he became the head of the Antiguanian Authority. She said, I made him years ago at here at Fort Sill. And I said, what is he a janitor? What does he do? How did you? She said, no. His name is Shukodorfman. He is the head of the Antiquities Authority of Israel. She had my attention. Two weeks later, I'm sitting in Israel. And he picks me up at my little dumpy hotel, or I guess you call it, old deal.

more like a hostel and she he picks me up him and his wife tell him i picked me up at my little hotel my buddy christ night we go to his son's office at the citadel hotel overlooking the old city he takes us there he's got a room set up for us i begin to explain now here's the story i'm gonna go through it quick but you'll catch on to it he he asked me why i was there i said i figured out copper scroll and i know he thought i was an absolutely I didn't say it like that, but you might as well have. He just, he goes and he did the same thing. He said, well, Mr. Barbe, he's very polite.

He flew airplanes. You know, we had some things in common. I flew helicopters for the Army. He flew. He was artillery. I was in the artillery when I first went in the Army. So we had several things in common. And he said, let's see what you got.

The first one, same reaction. sitting there. He leans up. It goes through the whole story that I just told you. And he goes, stop. And I thought, this guy's not happy with me. And he just said, stop. And I said, okay, he reached in his bag, his leather bag. And what do you call those thing? Satchel or I don't know. Anyway, pick some man person. Man person. He dials a number. And in Hebrew, he's talking. He explains and he said, he looks at me, Mr. Barfield, can you be here Tuesday? I said, yeah. I said, I said, what for?

He said, I'm calling in the two experts at Qumran. You're going to be meeting with them. And I said, okay, you got a deal. We met. That's how this all really got started because that's where I started getting credibility. The head of the antiquities, the authority of Israel, is inviting me to us, meeting. but the two top man for Qumran. And actually,

Qumran in the entire West Bank. Wow. So you sit in front of the antiquities. Yeah, the head of antiquities. You sit in front of, you know, with the top rabbis and you, and you lay your case.

Do you think they're ever going to look or do any excavating? Yep. We did. What do you think that? You did? 2009. The guy that showed up at the

antiquities meeting, Yuval Pelley. He was the lead archaeologist for Qumran. That was his home. That's where he worked. 90% of the time. And the other guy was the top guy for the entire West Bank

and the Gaza Strip. He was the top archaeologist for all of that. Well, he didn't like me at all. Because I didn't fit his, you know, I didn't have the PhD, I didn't have the credentials. But Yvall Pelag, he was sitting there looking at my research and I was going through the same ones

I just told you about going through them. And he's looking at Shukodorfman in Hebrew. I can't speak Hebrew. Certainly can't explain. I understand it. That's the weird part. And he tells Shukadorpan, he said, I think this guy's done it. And Shuka says, well, tell him in Hebrew.

And he said, no, no, no. I want to hear more. So people say, well, how do you know that's what they said whenever they were speaking in Hebrew? Well, I was an investigator. I had my recorder, my digital recorder and in my pocket recording every word that was said in that room that day. And as soon as that meeting was over, I took that recording to the, remember the kissing rabbi?

Yeah. I took it to him. The old kissing rabbi. I took it to him. And he was waiting on me. And when I got there, he plugged out, because he did, he does a radio program even today, goes all over the world. He put on his headset, and he's sitting there listening to it.

He goes, oh, he takes a headset off. He said, you are not going to believe what they just said. And I said, I think they think I'm crazy. He said, no, Mr. Barfield. He said, they think you've done it. They think you figured out this copper scroll. You figured out this copper scroll. You said this place was steps from the water.

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So now I've got the main guys of all of Israel saying, and all of Israel, I mean the top guy, Director General for the Antiquities Authority of Israel, they're all saying this. That's where things got crazy. Because this guy, Yuval Pele, great guy. I really liked the guy. Very much a gentleman, very kind.

And wouldn't this Navi goofball like some of them were? He said, Mr. Barford, we need to stop. And I said, okay. Anyway, long story short, I go back over to Israel. I'm there of Passover. And I call his office. And it just so happens because normally a Passover, all the Jewish people are on holiday. He was there.

I called, he said, he answered. And I said, Yvol. I said, this is Jim Barfordi. He said, oh, Jim. And I said, I got a question for you. He said, go ahead. I said, how would you like to be the archaeologist for my project? He said, I would love to.

He said, meet me here at the office at the antiquities store. He said, meet me here. And I don't know a couple of days. I don't remember. Anyway, at that point, we started formulating a plan to do an excavation in April of 2009. Okay. Well, my buddy, the one that I said was not real nice. to me. He got angry.

We were posting stuff on my website and this guy was following my website constantly. And the same guy that I told you about that did the last, I did a TV show the other day. And he was, he'll probably be on that one as well. Anyway, he was saying all kinds of bad stuff about me. He made, he got his buddies together and they put a stop to the excavation we were doing. in Israel. And I'm not going to say who it was because I don't want any more trouble from them. But they put a stop to it.

And I got all the documentation. I got all the blogs where he said some really crappy stuff. But that's how that happened. Why do you think they're trying to sabotage this? It's very simple. They are PhDs. They have an ego that size of Dallas. They don't want some firemen from Montana, Oklahoma.

to be the guy that figures out the most precious, most important discovery and history. I mean, this is going to make King Tuts tomb look like peanuts. Just that one side, one 900 talents of gold. That alone will look it look like peanuts. You said there were 64 places, right, that were, that these items were hidden. 57. 57, okay. That's what they normally say.

I'm telling he's only 57. But go ahead. And we've found some of these, none of these, have any of these locations? but one. All of them but one. All but one. And they haven't been excavated though. None have been excavated.

Nope. We did the second best thing. Did you go down there with like GPR? This will answer both of your questions. Yeah. Okay. What we did is I got a phone call from New York. This Jewish fellow invited me there to meet with the guy by the name of what's her name?

Faglin. Mosheflaglin. Mosheflin was the deputy speaker of the Knesset. So I go to. I fly to New York just to meet with this guy. And I'm sitting there and I'm going to give you a really quick version of it. I'm sitting there with him. And we're in a private home.

And I got my little tiny projector and my computer and I'm projecting it on a wall. He's kind of not paying attention, which made me a little angry. So I slapped the table and I said, hey, I came all the way from Oklahoma to show you this. And he kind of, he's not used to people talking to him, I guess, like that anyway. And he looked, he said, okay. So I start showing it within five minutes, the guy's in love with it. I started showing him my actual research. And he said, Mr. Barfield, he's very religious.

And he's very, he is, he's an amazing politician. Because he didn't take any guff from anybody. He said, he said, why are you not excavating? I said, because your government will not let me. And he looked at me, he said, what? Yeah. I said, they won't let me. He said, why?

I said, because one, it's in the West Bank. I said, number two, anything, Solomonic period or before, which was exactly what this time frame was, right in that same area, I said, they won't let you excavate. They don't want anybody to know about it. That's purely political, religious, political stuff that we're going through here.

And he said, when are you coming back to Israel? I said, I'll be there in a month. He said, call me when you get here. I did. I called it. He met me at Coomran. And I had my, he said, bring your metal detector with you. I said, I said, I cannot run this thing.

I said, you have to have permit. You got to, you got to have permission for several different organizations. He said, you just bring your metal detector with you. And I said, okay. I got there and I brought my metal detector out. It's not when you see on the beach. This is the head of it is one head. I got three heads for it.

One, which is a one meter square. The other one is a four meter square, you know, two meters by two meters. And that thing penetrates down to 50 feet. And it distinguishes between Ferris and non-Farris, which is Paris being iron, non-ferrous being precious metals. Oh, my God. gosh, we scanned five locations, all of them. I've got the documentation.

I got the printouts, the computer printouts to prove it. Massive, massive quantities of non-ferrous metals there. When we going, Jim, let's go. Let's go get it. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Well. Yeah, where's the project at now, right, today?

We've, I've known where these wars since the day I went over there. This is not like I'm trying to find this stuff. Right, right, right. I know where it's at. It's just getting through the political red tape to get this stuff out of the ground because I'm not going to say who said this. But a very important person, Israel said, he said the Temple Mount is an atomic bomb.

He said, and the ark of the covenant, that's the button. What he's saying is those items are so precious and so controversial that it could cause an upheaval in the Middle East, which it will. Yeah, I was going to make a point, Jim, on that because you know what's fascinating is we've been kind of tracking with what's happening with the with the red heifer situation over there right which is which is the story since last year and you know of course that's one of the one of the sort of the more obscure but you know mosaic law rituals in order to purify articles of the temple and what you're talking about here is i'm listening to

you talk about the mosaic bowls and all these articles of the solomonic temple it makes me think this is another piece if not the last piece other than the red heifer which would have been the the ritual purification part to actually fill the rebuilt temple, which is why, as you're saying, as it's sort of the atomic bomb here, right? Because if you have the purification ritual done, and you also have potentially have the articles should they excavate, then all you're missing is the is the actual rebuilding of the Jewish temple, which the Jews, as you point out, are waiting for their Messiah. So the guy saying this is the dowry, they're waiting. This is what fills the temple. that's one the little short guy got up and kissed around on my cheeks because he was so excited about what this all means.

And the guy that you're talking about with the red heifers, the guy that organized that whole deal, his name is Byron Stencer. He and I got to be friends because we got similar interest and similar backgrounds. I mean, he wouldn't investigate or anything, but we're just average guys. He is the one that put together the project to look for the red heifers. Right. Byron, they found a bunch of them, which was a miracle in itself.

Well, they finally got the five and took them over there. Now, here's the normal what I've been told. Now, is this absolutely true? It makes sense, but I haven't seen the documentation. So I can't say that it's true. They take what it's called the chala. It's a stone jar with the ashes of the red herper starting with the one that Moses prepare. And they put it in there.

then they take the next one. There's been nine of them from the time of Moses. This one is the 10th one when they do this one. If I was in charge of this sacrifice, I would tell everybody, we can't get them done yet. We're a little busy. And in the meantime,

I'd be sneaking off in a corner somewhere. And I would be preparing this ashes of the red heifer without anyone knowing. Agreed. I would. That's what they're saying. And that's what they're saying they did. Right, because they, because this is, just like the arc, right? Just as you're talking about, this is, this is what Hamas says that they, well, they have said,

and whether you take this propaganda or not, but the October 7th event was about the red cows, according to them, right? And so this makes, you know, it makes a lot of sense, right? Because the closer that Israel inches to having all the pieces of the puzzle to do it, it's that, it's a shock clock. It's a ticking, ticking bomb on, on the dome of the rock and what's happening on top of Temple Mount. currently, which is then again is, we're probably, you know, if we want to speculate, that is a, well, that's a world war. That sparks a world war. If, it could, you probably have more people

who don't want this stuff coming out of the ground than just about any conspiracy theory out there. I mean, we, we talk about just the, the mountains of evidence for some of these creatures to exist, something like Bigfoot. And you have all these academics and you have the universities, You have all these people who don't want this thing. Other treasure hunters who don't want this stuff coming out. You've got governments who don't want to come out. You've got countries who don't want this stuff to come out. You've got academics, academics, archaeologists.

You've got just about everybody doesn't want this stuff to come out of the ground except a few small people who are, I guess, excited to see some of these prophecies come forward. I mean, the biggest treasure ever found, right? I mean, we're talking like the value of this monetarily, aside from the, aside from the sort of intrinsic value, the pricelessness of articles associated with the Temple of Solomon and Moses and the heroes of the Bible.

You can't put a price. That's like putting a price on the Mona Lisa or something that is just like, it's one of one. Even if there's a thousand, it's still one of those are a thousand of a thousand and there's not anything like it. Right. Jim, do you think that some of these things are going to usher in the Antichrist? Because that's what a lot of people are worried about when it comes to these like these here's the thing that's a great question thank you will it usher in the antichrist no antichrist will issue himself in here's what people don't understand they they say the antichrist will come

and he will stop the daily sacrifice the morning and evening sacrifice well the antichrist is not a good guy and if he if he thought sacrifices were detrimental to the belief systems of the jews and the Christians, then he let him go. That's what people don't understand. He stops the morning and evening sacrifice. He stops them because they are a good thing. People think Christians think that the sacrifices were some nasty, bloody, sloppy mess. That is absolutely untrue.

They think that they were, you know, it's a terrible thing. They're sacrificing little animals. I tell them, whoa, wait. Let me ask you, have you ever sacrificed an animal? No. Yeah, we had T-Bone's sake. I probably have it three times a week. there you go.

Do you pray over it? Do you put it on your altar on your table and pray over it? I think God for his provision, yeah. You bet. You bet. What do you think those things? I guess. That's what's going on with that because the ones that ate it with the priest and there's

some that you couldn't eat. Like, for example, Redhapper, can't eat that one. That's a whole burnt offering. So you can't eat those. And there's certain ways that they have to be done. It's incredibly clean and kosher. And that's why people think, oh, my goodness, he's working with the anti-crass. No, guys, I'm not.

This is what, Jim, this what we tell people, too, because there's a lot of controversy we talk with the Red Heifer, is that, like, God's timing is not relevant to the things that we can or can't do to speed it up, slow it down, et cetera. We can't. Yeah. It happens within God's sovereignty when it's going to happen. That's it. And I think it's fascinating that this, you know, it's so interesting because these pieces fit

into, as you said earlier, it fits into eschatology, right? the idea that Israel is remade in a day. And the prophecies of the prophets of old, we're seeing in our lifetimes right now, the things that are prophesied in the Bible happen. And some people get real sketched and scared of that kind of stuff. Like somehow, you know, as you said, just people are celebrating,

we're not celebrating or excited, but to be in a time where it feels like the end of the age and these discoveries and prophetic things are playing out in real time, It is exciting because our hope is not in any of this. Our hope is in Christ and our hope is in Jesus and he is the final sacrifice. But does the temple have to be rebuilt? Yeah, why? Because the man of perdition has to seat himself in there and call himself God.

It has to be rebuilt. Let me show you something. Remember what I told you about the chronology research? Yeah. What I did was out of the way out of the ordinary. I went from Adam and it's right of me in what we're talking about. That's why I'm telling you. I went from Adam and I used a butcher paper about 30 feet.

long with an eighth of an inch being one year. And I ran it out for 6,000 years. I was a firefighter, so I had some time. And now, wait a minute. I did that. And I got it all stretched out. And I got to the time of Jeremiah. I found a link, a positive, solid link from Adam to Seth to Inos and its exact numbering. And I did the exact numbering until I got to. Jeremiah and I couldn't find another. Except I realized, wait a minute, Daniel, 483 years from the going forth the commandment to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the cutting off of the Messiah. I locked it all in at that point. And this is a story behind that, but I want to make my point.

From the year that you remember Jeroboam, and this is all part of the same thing, Jeroboam was a bad guy. He was one of the two first kings when the kingdom split, Judah and Israel. He was in charge of Israel. His name was Jeroboam. Jeroboam, he led the country into some really crazy, it's kind of a United States kind of feel. He led them in there. They were doing sacrifices. They were molesting children.

You go through the whole batch. Horrible stuff. Now, from the year that he died, a picture this, from the year that he died, died, he never repented. Leviticus says that your punishment is multiplied by what if you don't repent? Seven, Leviticus. Seven times your punishment will be multiplied. The kingdom of Israel, Judah's punishment was by Ezekiel's standards was 40 years, remember?

He laid on one side, then you lay on the other side. What was it for Israel? 390. seven times 390 from this death. I multiplied it and I put it down on an Excel spreadsheet. I transferred all my data to Excel spreadsheet. Guess which year it ended? 1948.

That ain't all. I've got about five other ones that did the same thing. My point is this. What you said about timing is incredibly important. But the differences between what I did is I use scripture, only scripture, to confirm all the biblical dates. That's it. And then I used Gregorian and I checked it and I checked.

I've got what's called what I call the confirmation points. I've got like 16 of them. I use Roman dating, the Olympiads, and all of them match. Like there, they're at the same spot. in history. They all match. I'm telling you, you do that and you see the most incredible amount of information spilled forth from that point because you're using what God told us to use, because what you said just a few minutes ago makes it all come real, is this. We do it when God says it's time. It's not up to Jim Barfield. Right. I'm not believing I'd have been done if that was the case.

I've been sitting there for 18 years waiting for this to happen. I mean, it takes a small army to get any of these things done, you know? It takes a lot of people to, I mean, just think about all the major events and all the red tape and all the years of policy and with just any discovery. It's not like sometimes things are discovered by accident. For the most part, people have clues and it's a long process. I don't think people will realize that. The Dead Sea Scrolls. found by your kid.

Yeah. Better when shepherd. Looking for his goats. Looking for his goats. Yeah. The guy that figured out the Copper Scroll. Just old dumb fireman for Lawton, Oklahoma. You know, how does this happen?

Yeah. I think it's incredible, Jim. I want to ask you, I think maybe one of my last questions is, what do you think happens what do you think happens next in your best estimation, best guess as far as. Yeah. As far as this story. I think, I think this next election is going to play into this. I really do.

Whether you hate Trump, love him. It doesn't matter. better to me. What I can tell you is that the Abrahamic Accords that they've been working on or I believe they're still working on is he cut out, well, not he, but they mapped out. His team mapped out a section of the West Bank. That goes to Israel. Guess who what they included in that piece that they mapped out. Kumran, right? I mean, they went out of their way to make sure and loop that in there. And I'm sure it was strictly because the Detsy Scrolls are really important. important. And guys, listen,

Qumran will be number two only to the Temple mouth. It's going to be, if I'm right, can you imagine the dome they're going to put over that? It's probably half the size of a stadium. Now, half the size of a football

field. And they cover this thing. And if I find 900 talents of gold in one place, they're going to have fake gold, but they're going to stack it in there, leave the hole, and then they're going to go to each one of the 57 locations, if I'm truly correct, and they're going to recreate all of that, and they're going to do what? They're going to have an amazing biblical reminder of what God does done for us.

He stored his dowry for his coming bride at Qumran, the place, the seat of the prophets, the home of the Melchizedic order. And I promise you, Yeshua and John the Baptist were there at Coomron at some point. Anyway, I love it. Wow, it sounds like a crazy. It sounds like an amazing museum. I'm going to go look at all, all those things. Most of the true buses, they drive right past tomorrow. Because it's just a bunch of ruins, a set of ruins there, until they found the Dead Sea Scrolls.

You think you'll be invited out if they decide to excavate? Do you think you'll get to be there if they do this? I better. Yeah, I'm saying. I better do that. You know, because I don't give a darn about the money to gold. I don't care about that. But one thing I asked God was this, myself and all the guys that are stuck with me all these years to get these things out of the ground.

I asked Father, I said, please, let us have a, we already got a spot, sit down and watch this whole thing happen. We've already got it picked out because I want to be there. I want it because the work that we put into it has been an absolute labor of love. We enjoyed it 100%. Appreciate it. But it's been a lot of work. You know, I always want to be, I still joke about want to be a treasure hunter. You know, I just think there's the, like,

Luke wants to find the Confederate gold here. I actually do want to do that. So don't, me and Tony Merkel, that is a whole side story. Me and Tony Merkel talk about this all the time from the confessional is about one to go find the lost Confederate gold. I just love this story because it has all the elements, right? It has biblical history. It has the heroes of the faith, and it has eschatology attached to it.

And it has these ancient places that are rooted in, they're the root in. in intertwine them with our faith as Christians and with the faith of the Jewish people. You have this, it's really, like you said, it's bigger than King Tut. It's bigger than any treasure that they may ever find in Israel if this is all there. And it sounds like based upon your work with a metal detector and sort of the things you've been allowed to do, if you will, that things are there. And I love it, man. So Jim, thank you for this.

Can you tell our listeners where they can engage with your work and, and find you and find the things you're working on. Well, yeah, they can go on my website and they can read it. But listen, guys, and want your audience to listen closely. I don't update that stuff because it's not like I found something in John 316, you know, and can tell everybody. There's things that I have to keep secret. And I have a lot of things secret.

So, but they can go on there and they can read what I posted on there. And they want to send money. don't bother. I don't want your money. I want you to go to your families, hug them and say, hey, listen, guys, something big is happening.

The Messiah could be succumbing. Come on, go to church with me this Sunday. You know, get your, for my Jewish brothers, come on, get in the synagogue this weekend with me. Come on. And start getting your families prepared for this because I'm telling you, we're at the door. And I hear him knocking.

And we just got to be patient enough for that door to open. And it's not going to be long. That's awesome. I think a lot of people, when they start to hear how practical some of these stories are and how things are actually happening and that we're a part of the story still, people's faith wakes up to it. And I think what we talk a lot about on our show is just the sort of the paranormal things that happen. But in order to understand modern day, the weird stuff that happens,

you have to go all the way back to the beginning. So we appreciate you taking us back and sort of in the time machine where they buried this gold. My last question was going to be, do you think that they knew they were going to get taken over? So they were bearing the stuff because they thought it was going to be taken. So they were working on it for years. And all these things are just in Israel, right? All these locations. Okay.

It's actually on the very eastern edge of the West Bank. Kumran. Look it up on the map. And it's on the very edge of the edge of Israel. Luke's good friends with Nick Cage. So if you need help. It's not true, actually. not at all.

Luke always tells me you know somebody. How do you know that guy? I don't know that guy. But, you know, I did see National Treasure. Maybe saw it twice. Might admit to that. That's what they're talking about. This is what they were talking about, national treasure.

The treasures of King Solomon's. King Solomon. Yep. Oh, man. If they only knew. Yeah. Well, I appreciate it. Where can our listeners get in touch with you?

They want to contact me. Just go through my website. Okay. Go through my website. you and yeah and i like i said though whenever i talk usually it's on like history channel or something like that or guys like you and i love doing this kind of a program because i get to meet you guys and get to share and you know see your reactions i like that because i can tell okay these guys are serious about what they're thinking what they want to know and i like that whether you believe it

don't believe it's up to you but i can give you a lot more information. Well, maybe I'll have to do a part two, and that's what we do a lot of them, just kind of get an introduction. This is the first time I've heard about this, so I appreciate you kind of give them. Tell us all the secrets. Answering some dummy questions. If you had a way to project it or, you know, put it on the screen.

Hey, we've had like four or five people invite us over there to go with them to do various trips. So we'll just. We're talking about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we'll have to. Kumron with Jim Barfield. Let's go. Yeah.

Luke, why are you in the? the back with a shovel. What's going on back there? What do you're doing? I'll tell them I'll buy shovels if they're willing to do the time in prison. Right. Yeah, but lock up, they're going to lock up the big guy here. I don't know. Well, thanks so much, Jim. I appreciate you. My pleasure. Guys, I love it. Thank you very much for the invite. Yeah. All right. Absolutely. Thanks, have a good one.