Blurry Creatures - EP: 251 I Touched The Roswell UFO

Episode Date: July 17, 2024

Join us as we dive into the astonishing story of Paul Wason, a seasoned trapper who stumbled upon a piece of the infamous Roswell crash. But this wasn't just any debris. It was a large fragment of otherworldly metal, impervious to any human force. Wason, compelled by the inexplicable nature of his find, sought answers from an unlikely source—a young Mormon on his mission. But unlike most stories about hearsay events, this one has documented pictures, letters, and timestamps. This is a special all access pass to one of our exclusive episodes. Enjoy! You can get our book of Enoch here: https://amzn.to/3xriiUB Support the show! www.blurrycreatures.com/members Socials instagram.com/blurrycreatures facebook.com/blurrycreatures twitter.com/blurrycreatures Music Kyle Monroe: tinytaperoom.com & Parker Mogensen Outro Song: On the Run by TimeCop1983 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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He was not a member of the church. He was not interested in becoming one. But he let us practice our discussions on him, and he was a government trapper. One visit to his home, he said, I feel like I can trust you. I want to show you something. He took us out to his workshop and handed us a piece. of metal. And he swung the sledgehammer as hard as he could, but it would only bounce off the metal, not leave a single mark. When we asked Mr. Watson where he got it, he told us his story.

One day, while outtrapping, some sort of aircraft had crashed. The history of our earth is so different from what we can imagine. The Smithsonian, that if they found out about a large skeleton somewhere, was to go get it. I'm going to assume at least one person is right, because if one person's right to bust the paradigm, it all goes back to the fallen chair. And the problem with the modern day church,

they have a very truncated view of the supernatural. This backdrop that's just pregnant with all kinds of meaning associated with this Mount Herman event. And this guy defects from the kingdom. That's a big deal. All right, welcome back to the Blurieverse. We've got a lot of content that's been coming out. the years and we've been doing this for what how long we've been doing this look it's like four and a

half years now yeah but i mean i blacked out i think it's it's four four years we started in 2020 which of course is the year that felt like five yeah so you know maybe in in blurry years or nine years into this i don't know but it's uh yeah four four years of uh of hanging out and talking to you guys about the weird and trying to filter it all back through you know a biblical lens and biblical worldview yeah and one of the things we've done is we put out a lot of bonus episodes over the years. I thought it would be fun to a lot of people don't know the catalog of bonus content we have. We have over 60 episodes in there now. And if you want extra content we thought would give you this week, sort of a taste. Yeah, a preview, if you will, right? Yeah. This is how you dip your toe

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You get access to all these kinds of episodes, and here is a taste of one of those episodes now. Thank you guys for supporting the podcast. Doing this podcast, we hit a wide variety of topics. Sometimes we're tackling the three cosmic rebellions in the Old Testament, which is way beyond our brains. And then sometimes we get these emails, like, I shot Bigfoot.

I killed Bigfoot or something. And it's just the plethora of weird stuff that happens on our show. I like it. And it's all welcome in the blurry space. But Drew reached out to us and said his dad handled part of the Roswell wreckage. And I love these types of stories because we've used the Roswell crash as a big part of the physicality of these UFOs and this phenomena. It is something. They crash.

There's pieces. And even just last week, we're talking to Hugh Ross about, he was saying, Oh, there's no, when they crash, it's just like a sight and there's nothing left. And I'm like, I actually don't think so. There's leftover parts. And if you believe Bob Lazar's stories and some of these deeper, you know, black budget parts of our government to keep all this stuff hidden from us. I mean, I agree, Nate. Like we, you know, if you, if you've listened back to our catalog, we did an episode with Derek Olson about, about crafts have been retrieved. We did one with L.A. Marsulli, actually about Roswell, where he went out and

And they metal tucked and found metal in the farmer's fields. And then, of course, everything that happened in 2023, right, you've got these house oversight committees, of course, there's really cool connections with blurry creatures and Tim Albarino and some of the folks there on the committees. But what David Grush is testifying to is that there are recovered craft. And of course, if that's the case, there's no question. There's a physicality, right? So as you build, you know, sort of an empirical case, you know, of circumstantial evidence,

if you will. There's a lot of breadcrumbs that say that not only these craft real, but they crash. And when they crash, they, like anything else physical, they come apart. Yeah. Yeah. Andrews, he's got the bumper, dude. The bumper fell off the old UFO and his dad picked it up. Yeah.

It's got the, it's got an exist. It's got one of those exists bumper stickers on it. So can't trust the aliens, man. Yeah, what kind of bumper stickers that the aliens put on the old UFO? We don't know, but we brought on somebody whose dad touched the wreckage. And I think this is a cool story. Drew, thanks for coming on, Blurry Creatures. That was a long intro from us.

But what are your thoughts on Bigfoot? And then we want to hear this whole story, everything you've uncovered. And we want to get back into the Roswell crash. We've got to start proper, though. This is the way it is done on Blurdy creatures. Bigfoot's nothing compared to the UFOs. This is the gateway drug. He's just hanging out.

Yeah. Okay. Okay. So there's this traditional Mormon myth. that big foot is cane. And I'm not sure I really subscribe to it. That he was like curse. No one's brought,

no one's brought that up. Really? That's actually interesting because I, you know, I've heard that that, you know, and there's a lot of people that will try to connect you saw because he was hairy.

Right. And like, I'm just not really, for one, there's been multiple, like, sightings of multiple at once. So,

although there was a siding recently from like a train driving by, and you could tell, That's a gilly suit off Amazon. Oh, yeah. That was like an outdoor company that was just plain. They were just having fun. That was the Bigfoot or Sasquatch was in their brand, right?

They were doing, they were doing some of the spoof. Yeah. But yeah, I figure there's a couple possibilities. One is something hominid that's just really good at hiding. One is, you know, it could be a descendant of who knows what, you know, nephalum or giant-related. subspecies, who knows? I don't know. It's been plenty of time. It's basically,

I've decided that at this point, with the information I have, I don't have a really good answer to theories. What part of the country are you in? I'm in Utah. Okay. There's some canyons in Utah where there's a lot of Bigfoot sightings. Actually, I saw a couple good.

There's two ones. There's one where he gets, they're like, some guys are out filming in a canyon. It stands up and walks backwards. Kids freak out. There's one on a hillside, too. He was just chilling on the hillside, It made the Utah news. And I think there was one where they were like kids were in a canyon throwing stuff in a fire.

And then you see it stand up behind and walk away. So Utah is blurry. There's a lot of Bigfoot activity out there. We know. But today we're talking about the Roswell crash. I mean, I appreciate you kind of humoring us on the Bigfoot talk. But we love getting more into this. And we'd love for you to just kind of dive in like what, like who your dad was, like how you found out about this story.

And just as many, as many details you can pull out of your mind. Yeah. We're here for it all. We love to hear it. There's some cool parts of this story. So I'm excited for our listeners and us to kind of get into this. So thanks again. Absolutely.

So my dad, Melvin Baker, he grew up in Western Oregon, and he grew up LDS. And when he went on his mission, he was called to the New Mexico, Arizona mission. This was a while after, but some of the people that were there for the Roswell event were still around. We have this record. It was kind of a story that he would tell us now and then when me as a kid would ask, because dad has a cool story. I want to hear it. Yeah. At one point, we haven't recorded in more detail because at one point my mom went through and did kind of a life bio and a history, and she recorded a bunch of, you know, just step-by-step information year by year. I've got the

account here, and I'd like to read out. Yeah. All right. So it says, it was on my mission while in the Roswell, New Mexico area, that I met Paul Watson. He was not a member of the church. He was

not interested in becoming one. But he let us practice our discussions on him, and he was a government trapper. One visit to his home, he said, I feel like I can trust you. I want to show you something. He took us out to his workshop and handed us a piece of metal. It was lighter than aluminum, but it was very strong. He handed me a sledgehammer and invited me to try to dint it.

I swung the hammer as hard as I could. Now, when I, outside of that, when he says I swung it as hard as I could, my my dad was just a lifelong athlete track and field weightlifting discis throwing shot put he's he's got he he set some records with discons and shot put and he is an extremely athletic person

so your dad makes so just to kind of recap your dad makes friends with this guy he's kind of talking you guys are talking religion, other things, kind of get into discussion. Become friends and he invites him over to his house and shows him this piece of the wreckage. Yeah. He said, I want to show you something. He took us out and

the workshop, had any piece of metal, and he swung the sledgehammer as hard as he could, but it would only bounce off the metal, not leave a single mark. Then he asked us to try an electric grinder. When pressed against the grinding will. It destroyed the whale, but there wasn't even a scratch on the metal. When we asked Mr. Watson where he got it, this left out, but there is also time to use a, the third one was a file that he told us about, and it would just round over the file and not bite into it at all. when I asked Mr. Wawson where he got it, he told us his story. One day, while out trapping, some sort of aircraft had crashed.

So apparently Paul Wasson was there for the vent or for the aftermath and got to see a trapper dude. He's hiding, I'm guessing. So some sort of aircraft had crashed. sorry, he saw two not humans, but similar in form. Their skin was more gray color. One appeared to be deceased, the other one attempting to leave. But there was military personnel on site, and they shot it. Before it die.

They shot it. Wow. Before it died, there was a perfect communication, said Mr. Watson, that he could hear it in his head. Not any speaking, but there was some sort of. telepathic conversation. And I'd heard other stories that that kind of corroborate that, like personally. So my dad made a sketch of the piece of metal. I went through all of his mission letters they had sent home that we could find. We couldn't find the sketch anywhere,

but I remember the description of it. So it was about, about a year long, about a foot and a half long, about four inches wide, probably a half inch thick with a slight curve to it. And he described it as having odd symbols on it. I wish it he had kept those. I wish he'd made it, you know, maybe a second sketch or a picture.

I don't know. But that's the actual description of it. I really want to model it and 3D print it just so I can have it sitting on the show. That'd be awesome. Yeah. Yeah. But, uh,

so the trappers name's Paul Wasson. Paul Wasson. Correct. And I independently looked it up and I found out there was a guy in the area named that. I've got a picture of him that my dad sent home holding up a bobcat in front of his government tracking truck. Deceased. They're much easier to pull up that way, I assume. Do you know how this guy was at the time when he met your dad? I'd have to say 40s, the 60s, just from the picture. Not a young guy. but yeah that's the account that we have that we kind of grew up with so just to kind of like

so this thing is like 18 inches long uh four inches wide and this guy's walking one day and he sees the crash obviously is there any more details of how many how many government people are out there or is that it um not that made it through this story, but there was, so where I grew up, there's a guy in my ward, my church. I don't want to give, I don't know if I want to give, give names, because, you know, reasons and, and, sure, but, uh, he had been an advisor to, uh, a president, and I was able to, like, look that up and confirm. And he was, uh, he, uh, had our family over to dinner with his family one night, and, because he, he had heard about my dad's

experience through a scout camping trip his son was there with us and related to this friend of ours and he had us over for dinner and he was someone that was in a position that would have gotten briefed with the president

on some of these things that happened and what we found out from him was some of that additional information that there was sounded like there was two airmen or MPs, I think, that went to go check it out, and that

one of the Graze was dead, the other one was trying to walk away, and when he spoke to him through the telepathic communication, clearly freaked out the MP who panicked and shot it.

So that's kind of corroborating that. Yeah, because there was supposedly three of them at that, at that crash site, right? And one of them was, at least one of them was alive, but who knows? I don't know. If I was a government trapper,

I wouldn't get too close to whatever's going on there. I could easily imagine him not seeing the third one. Yeah. Interesting. So your dad takes a swing at this thing, takes a file to it, and then takes a grinder to it. Nothing can touch it.

wouldn't touch it, yeah. Which is kind of phenomenal. I mean, it's an amazing, a thing that we hear is that these metals or whatever the combination of metals that they make. I mean, we had a lady on that said that these UFOs are mining metals here and then taking them somewhere else and turning them into something else. So whether they come from here, the metal itself is either there's some sort of mix that they make, that it makes it like that, or these things aren't from here.

I mean, it makes sense. I mean, our middle energy today is light years above where it was 50, 60, 70 years ago. There was also a couple of follow-up kind of sightings of it, you could say. Of the piece that Paul had? Yeah. Okay. From what I understand, what I remember, there was a, I think a university professor that had, that he had, that he had. given it to who did some tests

and that ended up on a radio show and his tests and him talking about it ended up on a radio show that that my grandfather later heard and then talked to my dad about and oh hey yeah it's that thing and from what I understand

after that the guy disappeared quick and his house got emptied quick so that was that was before the age of congressional hearings where people are just saying it. Right.

Yeah. Yeah. You didn't have any whistleblower. You had no whistleblower protections. No. That's very new. Think about, like, I think about guys like Edward Snowden. Right.

I mean, that's even so much more recent where there was no protection. I think that's honestly why we have the testimony and we had the hearings we had last year is there's now legal protections for people that want to tell the American people what's going on behind the curtain. and, you know, without hopefully putting their own, you know, life and livelihood at risk. And, yeah, that wasn't the case, right? People just got just got disappeared or... They suddenly weren't there anymore.

Yeah, just like, what happened that guy? Yeah, I don't know. Is there any more information on the writing on it? Like, I wish there was somewhere, allegedly, if it wasn't thrown away by some member of a family, there might still be around the drawing of it. But I don't have any other information on the writing. That's wild. It's so cool, though, because you think about it like this is like in your family lore.

And, you know, it's such an unrelated ancillary, just the most random sort of thing to run into. I mean, you're on the right place for it geographically. But, you know, your dad's, you know, out doing his mission and he runs, you know, I just don't think that's what anyone would expect to do. whether whatever you do right you're not expecting to run to someone hey by the way oh man missionaries one more more missionaries get the weirdest stories oh no it's it checks out if there's something weird well i mean according to l.a marzuli right so according to his his research on the roswell crash is it comes down it's coming out of the sky it skips off the ground goes up over some trees comes back down and really shattered so maybe explodes maybe some sort of tech

that they had cause of reaction, right? So if you think about it from a crash perspective, there could have been debris all along, all along. There's no way they could have gotten every single piece quickly. Right. And if this guy's out there, he's out there obviously on the scene. He has this telepathic communication, which people describe Bigfoot does.

So it just communicates directly with you. He probably sees a piece of it. Yoink, taking that for later. Yeah. Which is kind of crazy So does he Is there anywhere described Him actually finding it?

I don't have anywhere that describes Finding it but I know that Him being a government trapper Just out all over the place all the time To get rid of threats It would totally make sense that if there If there was anything missed on the first or second comb over He could he totally would have been in a position to just grab it

That and like when something explodes Debris just goes Yeah Yeah You know, it's interesting, though, like, Drew, the descriptions your dad gives are like right on with almost everything else that we've heard, right? Like these ideas, things are super light and flexible, but you've heard the same kind of stories of folks trying to smash it with hammers and dent it and cut it and do these things. And it's like, well, don't spoil the next hundred episodes for me. All right.

Only 50 in. Come on, man. Get those numbers up. This is July 8th, 1947, for people who need some time frame. And when does your dad go on his mission? I got that right over here. I just want to get the timing right so we can kind of figure out how many years had passed. This was towards the beginning.

This was in 1974. Oh, wow. Just about 30-ish years later. I was going to say, I'm trying to figure out the dates and the times on this. So he's had this sitting with his first. for a while. Yeah. I've actually gone through all the letters and the postmarks and trying to figure out just what

the timeline was, so I could try and figure out who his companion was at that time. Because if I could figure out who his companion was, then we could have a second, or have a firsthand witness that could corroborate all of what I'm saying in my dad's story. Yeah. I reached out to the New Mexico Commission, like the Facebook. page and and trying to reach out to the mission home there and and uh just have not had any luck reaching anyone that that was from that time frame unfortunately think this piece this piece of uh record survived somewhere think it someone's got it remember in the indian jones raiders

of the lost arc where the ark ended up in that warehouse 13 looking thing yeah it's probably an aisle aisle or two down from that so and discrete discreet box just being pushed on down on down the uh the Yeah, that's at least where I'd imagine it probably ended up. It sounds like they got it and the old mid and black probably took it and everything related with it. What I remember hearing about the radio program, though, was that it was composed of at least mostly aluminum and that it had a crystalline structure to it, like a really dense one. So, like I saying, metallurgy. Well, that's what L.A. Marzuli said, that it was a type of. aluminum but not it was kind of maybe if if in that vein but it was not right and that so that's

interesting because this it's lightweight right that's anything described about how how heavy it was yeah is yeah super lightweight and and part of me wondered so i have to keep like my my rule for digging into this is that i have to keep a a like find some null hypothesis that could explain this and and you know consider i might be wrong but one thing i did wonder is, would it be possible that it was, it was a titanium that my dad encountered, because that wasn't very common and, and would certainly share some of those properties. But, I mean, you would be able to dent that, man. I've got a titanium driver, right? Like, I could dent it with a golf ball if I try hard. Yeah. But also, like, once you

tuck it over to the grinder and ground on it, titanium puts off white sparks. And this thing just didn't touch it at all. I want to destroy the grinder, right? Yeah. That's, that's wild. I don't know. I mean, I'm not a, I'm not a, a craftsman in that sense, but I can't, I can't think of any metal that wouldn't, that wouldn't create sparks or wouldn't, or wouldn't have damage to it with a grinder, right? Right. Do you have the letter that he, that he wrote back that part, that one? Yes. Yes, I do. And I believe I've got the, I've got the picture of the dude holding Bobcat. If you want to see a bed dead bobcat. Yeah, I'd love to see that. I mean, it would be cool to post some of these, whatever you want us to post, like, we can blur out whatever part you don't want.

But it would be cool to kind of have some whatever you want to share, like, with the story. I mean, my webcam isn't going to do much, but I can send it in the email. Yeah, shoot it in the email. I'd like to look at it right now, if I could while we're talking about it just to see. But yeah, Luke was talking about the titanium. Luke's got a, you got a massive slice. You can, you can dent that. This is actually true, Nate.

Yeah. You know, I may have damaged a few drivers. But all in the same part, all in the same part of the club base. It's just, uh, it's a problem. You just needed an element 115 driver and you would be, be a golf pro. Yeah, that would be. Yeah, I get my cue card. We'd be playing on tour, man.

What's in that? What's in that club he's got there? Yeah, we'd have to, me have to be doing the show from the road. You'd be like, yeah, Nate, playing the Masters. Swing the Masters in a few weeks. So we have to take a little bit of time off. made a golf club out of this is like happy gilmore this is like happy gilmore too dude yes yeah you're like i beg to differ so happy gilmore get here drive this green no more than you know

this is like a bad i movie we're writing right now it's like happy gilmore finds piece of the roswell crash comes up with the new golf club comes back wins the masters anyway the cooperating parts of your story i mean we've heard that on our show already just just we haven't even done a lot on this topic really so the fact that you know you're only a little bit into our show so far so it's not like i mean i guess people can like piece together but this this this story kind of reminds me of some other stories that have come on our show where they sprinkle in the paranormal into like a completely different like hey i was over here doing this thing had nothing to do with bigfoot had nothing and then this this weird thing happened to me you know like the long walk they see this family of

yeah while they're trying to escape great book by the way i love yeah I love the long walk. It's just like sort of throwing us in a side. It's aside. Yeah. Like, hey family, how you doing? By the way, had a piece of a spacecraft. Right.

Send more jam and cookies. Love you. Dad. Yeah, we're just, you know. That's actually not far off. It's usually, you know, sell my scoop of gear. Send me a camera equipment. Like stuff.

Yeah. What? Are you kidding? You know, and I, I know there's a lot of, there's a lot of good, a lot of good honest Mormons out there. Back in the Sherwood days, played a lot of shows in Ogden, Salt Lake, Provo, St. George. I've done the Utah circuit. Talked to a lot of folks out in Utah. You guys are an honest group of people. The Utah moms love Sherwood. They really did. Spit a lot of time in the basements.

Dude, this is starting to get this. Where's this podcast going? You can come sleep at our house, and there's like these basements. These Utah basements are like warehouses. I was always impressed. Like, what is going on in the basements of Utah? plan for food storage down there, bunkers. That's right. What you're saying about Happy Gilmore in the golf club back when you're talking with. This episode just took a wild, wild turn. Okay, here we go.

You got the picture since. Go ahead. Yeah, look at this guy. So this dude holding the bobcat is the trapper. This is Paul. Oh, trapper himself. So this is, this is him. Yes.

Oh, sorry. I didn't realize there was a question. Yes, it was. is I like it. So this is great. That's a big bobcat too. Right? That's not too shabby.

I mean, you'd be taking a photo if you got that, if you got that one out in the wild. Look, it's even says, what's to say on this truck, Luke, do some sleuthing there.

Department of Interior. Of the interior. Yeah. Look at that. So we've got a photo of the trapper. This guy. I would love to talk to this guy. He's got this old truck,

checks out. Nate, I have to say, dude, considering he kept the piece of records, he would be a trapper keeper. let's go i love i love that there's just this this random trap who's like hey what's that oh they don't see me hunker down let's keep that one it's got a weird writing on it i think i like

it so i might i might have missed this he my mind's a thousand places when you're telling this story he's trapping yes sees the aliens they communicate with him or somebody else um the way i read it they he he sees the MPs coming up on the aliens and watches the transaction of words and bullets that takes place between them.

Weird. He can't. I mean, he hears them? I guess there's no way of knowing. The way I read it is that yes, he hears them too. I don't know if they just like hit Sindahl on the telepathics you know, or they just happen to be within radius or or. Yeah.

That's how it works. It's like when mom's mad, everyone knows. It's like the network broadcasts address. Just send it. So he's, is that when he finds the piece or does he find it later? I don't have the information. Okay. Just make it up.

No, I'm just kidding. Yes. But that's probably when he finds it. So he's out there. He's, he's on a trap line. I'd imagine that would be the point at which there is the most large. records just sitting around was you know around the time when it happened before the MPs had had a chance to come through and pick up all the big stuff yeah so that's

that's kind of when it seems most likely yeah but any any information I don't have I don't want to just make up on a fly and tell you because then I'm clearly unreliable we don't want that no no it's no I like this I like this we've got we got the man we got it as his government vehicle we got him holding cat and we've got it on the back here. Paul Watson Roswell on his trap line. So this, this is a photo your dad sent back to the family. Yeah, they sent him out some picture or some camera equipment and he was sending that pictures to the family. I like it. So he just meets this guy and he happens to be out on and he just come on over, check it out. I got this.

It sounded like they had been working with some phishing and talking to him for a while. And I mean, that makes sense for a government trapper who lives alone, doesn't have a family, and, you know, just at some point you just need someone to talk to. Hey, look, more missionaries. I guess that'll do. Yeah. Interested in joining? No. Come talk anyway.

That's interesting. Of all places, your dad's in Roswell in the 70s. Yep. That's wild, dude. And the area that his mission covered, I actually was, the relationship later split and I was in the Arizona side of it. So I never served when I went on my mission. I never served on the reservation myself,

but I got to hear stories from elders who did serve on the reservation, and they'd hear all sorts of, or they'd have all sorts of like Skinwalker stories of like footsteps in snow and going up to the roof and going over their trailer and then continuing the other way. way along. There's some crazy stuff out on the res. Well, yeah, I mean, we, you know, I don't know if you've gotten to the point where we, in our catalog where we talked to John Redbird Dover, who is the Navajo Ranger, but he spent

30 years patrolling the entire Navajo Nation with reservation, which is massive. And there's just, I mean, the wildest stories and things happen on reservations, which is, you know, yeah, I'm not going to, I don't know why. But it seems to be sort of a magnet for activity. Bigfoot, UFOs, Skinwalkers, you name it. So, well, that's not surprising, honestly. I mean, skinwalkers, there's some people involved there that I'm sure are related to that. But, is it snowed yet today?

Sorry. There's in your email, you talk about there was some correspondence, someone named Ron Mann. Okay, yeah, that was the one I didn't want to talk about. I forgot about. Sorry. Now you have to. Okay, fine, fine. I think he's that now anyway.

So, yeah, that was the guy whose son was in our scouting group. And my dad told the story around the campfire and had us over for dinner. And he was a, I believe he was an advisor for Nixon. Okay. I'm not going to go look at it right now. But yeah, he. I like that you're fact checking yourself. This is good.

It's like being on if we were on Joe Rogan But instead of you getting fact checked You were just you're the guy of the fact checks And you're the guest on the show I'm going to fact check me Hold on a second There's a chance I'm wrong It's the internet

Someone will tell me if I'm wrong It's true Don't worry about them You actually had a lot of cool information So your dad is a round of fire Yes Telling a story Yes

And did you hear this story from your from your dad Previous to that Yeah I'd heard it previous not, he didn't tell it like very often. He kind of kept it sort of close to the chest, especially because those were the days where people were disappearing. Uh-huh, yeah.

I mean, you've got to be careful. So, um, yeah. Like Bigfoot disappearing? No. Just kidding. Yeah, I know. Like men of suits show up your door and then your house is empty disappearing. Yeah, exactly.

So your dad and this guy are at, at the fire. No, this was, this was later when, okay, so his son was at the fire in scouting, or in Boy Scouts, BSA, and his son, went back and told them about it. Then they had us over to their house for dinner, which was a very nice dinner. And they, and after dinner, they kind of, we all talked about that. And Ron gave us more information like, like, oh, right. Like what the Gray's said to the MP that he reported, that got reported back to the president. That was what I was going to tell you. Oh, what did he say? I'm so sorry.

I was going to tell you that earlier and think about side-fract. Anyway, so what, so the path of information is through Ron Mann telling us and goes back to the presidential briefing, which clearly comes from the MP, was when he, when the MP shot the gray, the, I don't know if there was more remaining or too dead or if they showed up. And what makes sense is if there was three, they showed up, shot one and then recovered the other one. Yeah. Yeah. But what he told him was, you know, that don't feel bad. It's okay. We're not real people.

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Hi, I, let's get you a basket. Which would kind of jive with the whole, you know, listening to your guys' podcast, the idea that they're grown for this task and purpose. Like, they are basically part of the machine that comes with the saucer. That's interesting. I mean, interesting because people talk about, you know, there's this, there's a lot of theories about them being synthetically created, right? Yeah.

So that's where I think that's... Or drones or whatever we do. Yeah, the insect creatures make these things. That's kind of what we've heard on our show. The brains and the body are these insectiline things, and they use... The graves are just carrying out a task. They seem to show up, lifeless, do their thing and leave.

So this guy, Ron, gets a story secondhand from... The... Sorry, to be clear of the... Information goes, like the path of information goes from MP who shot the guy who reported it to his higher-ups. Ron gets this information in the presidential briefing because he's an advisor. Oh, okay. Ron later moves to an area that is unlikely to be hit by nuclear war with Russia because he's an advisor to the president knows where to go, at which point he ended up in our town and in our ward.

It's wild, dude. How old is he at this time? That's just such crazy testimony, too. I love that. How old was Ron Matt at this time? Yeah. Good gosh. I swear he was 60 since I was, since I was a kid.

He's, he's one of those people that he grew up and he's always been old. Yeah, right? You know roughly what time this was when this story's being told? After dinner. I was a kid. Five, six, 30? Right. No, this, I would have been probably around my son's age, probably around 10 to 12.

Okay. Are you kind of like, there's a bunch of older guys having stories and you're kind of snooping around? They invited our family over for dinner. His family and my family got over, got together and had dinner. So I'm not really snooping around. This is more, yeah, just hanging out and talking after dinner. Yeah, because a lot of these things don't get talked about. I guess if he's, if this is after the fact, so this is after he's retired and there's a window of time. right. Yeah, this is like once he was done being in the vizary, he retired to our, to our area. So did you get the sense that he knew, Ron knew your dad's story or your dad told his story because Ron was sharing his story? No, so the path of information was A from Paul Watson to my dad, and then that got shared at the scout campfire where Ron Mann's son was a scout. Okay. His son went home, told his dad, his dad, Ron, and Ron goes, oh, interesting.

I know some things. I should talk to them. And then they have us over later for the dinner and talked and discussed afterwards. Oh, okay. So then you guys go over to Ron's house and you guys kind of dive in. And you were there. You were there for all that. Yes.

Pretty crazy. So you were there for the original story kind of being shared. His son goes home. And then you get invited over to his house and you keep talking about it. Yeah. And that was like maybe a week or two later. And that's when you hear... Hear all the information regarding...

Does Ron know about the telepathy incident and the shot, too? Ron is where I got the information about what the Grace said. So yes. That was kind of two corroborating stories. Yeah. Some of which didn't have information. like Paul didn't report to my dad. I don't believe he reported what they say.

He just said that he could hear it as a type of telepathic conversation. If he did tell my dad, then that wasn't relayed in the document that my mother recorded before he died. Okay. So in the 70s, your dad sends this letter home. And then we're looking at like what, at least a decade later, this guy, Ron. show like corroborates what your dad had already heard previously yep which is kind of wild that you know your dad includes these details in the letter which you know if you want to include that in an email to us we can we can share part of that letter or whatever just to kind of we have such

a believing skeptical fan pace people to listen and believe but it's it's crazy that your dad sends these details later and this guy Ron shows up and he's like yeah and he knows the same details. Exactly. But he's from a different, completely different. Because a lot of people think the Roswell crashed, to be honest, like half people think it's just like didn't happen. Right.

It's kind of skeptical. But here are these two independent stories that are pretty detailed. For, you know, the information to make its way from along two paths from, you know, Roswell, New Mexico to, to, uh, western Idaho through two very completely independent paths to meet up. That was kind of a cool experience. Yeah. So we will post.

If you don't mind, do you care if we post this phone? Yeah, go for it. And I can send you the actual, I don't know that I actually have the, no, I've got the letter somewhere. It's in the binder somewhere. I can send it to you later if you want. I think that's what people want. Yeah. They love all the little details.

They love the breadcrumbs and they love to try to make sense of the story because I like, I like our skeptical listeners. I think they kind of keep us on track. And I think Luke and I do not purposely post any sensationalized stuff. If we don't think it's legit, we don't post it. That's what kept me coming back to yours versus some of the others. Some of the others take a bit of information and then just elaborate and sensationalize and get, it just gets bigger and bigger. I'm sorry, where is the original again?

Yeah. Information. And that's one of the reason I kind of kept coming back to your podcast there. Yeah, I mean, the sea of people trying to post, you know, all this stuff. It's easy just to like, oh, look at this Bigfoot video. And if I don't, if I don't, I don't feel like we both think this is legit. We're not going to post it or we're going to post it and say, I don't know. I don't, I don't think this is legit, but what do you think?

But even then it's like you're still kind of validating a bad video or like some bogus information. And, you know, we try not to, I mean, I don't know. There's probably people who've lied on our show. Obviously, we can't, we can't vet it all. Of course. But I think we feel like, even if some of the system. I don't know. We have shelves and things, but it's interesting. I believe it. I would like to say, I know that you guys generally have committed from a Bornigan Christian perspective, which is, you know, watching this from your guys' perspective and your lens has been very interesting because I see how you look at,

a lot of things, and I'll be like, wow, that's like 80% there. And then, and then, like, Timothy Alvarina will come on and say something about, like, we found these, these, you know, ancient Jew,

like these, these artifacts in, in, you know, Mesoamerica about, and how it's, how it's, I don't want to say the wrong thing, especially. So, anytime that, anytime that somebody, you got a fact-

Check this help to you. I am so, like, paranoid about fact-checking myself and not saying the wrong thing. I'm so sorry. So anytime that I'll hear anything regarding Babylonian writing or ancient, you know, Jewish or Egyptian writing, showing up in Mesoamerica, we're like, oh, oh, I know the answer to that one. Yeah. Which I know you guys, you know, don't subscribe to that view, but it's certainly entertaining from, from. from over here where I am. At this point, Drew, we've sort of gained a lot.

I'm surprised sometimes. Luke and I will talk about how many. Like we got the Catholics. We've got the Christians. We've got reformers listening to our show too. Like we've got, you know, all kinds of different groups of Christians. We've got the Mormons. We've got flat-earthers.

We've got everything. And it seems like nobody's happy. But they keep coming back every week, even if they're made. Not happy. No one's happy with us all of the time. If you're happy, you probably wouldn't be doing it right. Well, I mean, if we, yeah, people were happy, we would have picked our preferred guardrails for a, you know, some, some side of preferred, you know, denominational or theology and stuck in that. But I feel like, you know, the world is so much bigger than narrow than thinking so narrowly and dying upon hills that don't really matter, right? And I, and listen, like Nate and I are, we just sit here in interview, folks.

So people like to presuppose upon us certain aspects of what they think our faith is. But yeah, we are born again believers. You know, we don't agree with everything that's on the show by any stretch of the imagination. You know, it is a process. And I think what's important, honestly, Drew, is that, you know, to take in these things, and we always say, to the meat, spit out the bones, but like to consider and think, I think the best thing you can happen is to have discourse, especially on things that don't really have concrete answers, right? is to have a discourse and decide what the best,

what the best ideas are. That's, that's actually the premise of free speech, right? The best ideas will rise to the top, especially when you're not, you're not talking about something that, in our case, especially, they can't always be, you know, quantified or empirically measured, right? You're just looking for better answers.

And I, and oftentimes I think that's, leads you to with people with a lot of different perspectives. And I think that's, I think that's enriching because I think, you know, I don't know, I think we all want to learn, right? Right. And, uh, and I think this helps, you know, This helps people refine or at least challenge their own paradigms.

Yeah, but it's so helpful. I really appreciate you reaching out to us and trying to dig up more parts of the story because you've been working on this for like several months. We really appreciate it. For our listeners out there. I've been trying. Trying to find anyone who could corroborate the story and I think just all the little pieces of evidence and stuff you sent back.

But I think it's interesting. It's something compelling, say the least. And you have at least a decade of time between your dad's story being recorded and actually being mailed and stamp, time stamped. And then you have this other guy showing up, you know, Ron, who worked for the president. Oh, Ron. He's got the same, he's got more details of the same story. But there's not too many people between these. I mean, you're talking a trapper to your dad.

Right. And then you got, you got a couple people's to, to Ron. and they're both kind of saying, look, this thing was speaking telepathically. But Ron actually had a few more details that you didn't add that there was, he said in the email it was clear, like a window on the inside of the craft. Oh, that was actually another story that Ron told us about the, just another briefing that he had had regarding in, so towards the end of World War II when the Allies were advancing on Germany,

the story is that they came across a, and this is only one point of, anyway, one point of information, but the stories that the soldiers came across a Nazi warehouse, a scientist, a science place. Sorry, words fail me, or I failed them, one of the other. A laboratory, a laboratory? A hangar. Yeah, a hangar. Yeah, a hanger, okay.

With craft, and the soldiers went in and sounded like it was, cleared out, but the craft was open and they could go inside. And even though it was dark outside of craft, they could look through the window and see it as though it was clear as day. And the story is that that's kind of where the first generation of, of, I'm not if you're familiar with the early night vision. That was developed by the Germans in World War II, the vampire system, and where they would have a light that they shine out, it's infrared and then they have a huge, just a huge scope that they could, you know, look, look through that would amplify that. But the stories that's where they kind of started to reverse engineer that, and we've just kind of built on that technology since then. Dang. Yeah. A lot of those stories and things that we've talked about is things are, we kind of find little bits and pieces and we're not as original as we might think we are as a human race. We're getting help from somewhere else.

I wish I had a second source for that one, that's the only source I have. I just thought that one was really cool because I recently got Night Vision and it's really cool and I can see in the darkness. Well, I mean, I, I mean, I remember Tina Griffin came on our show and she said that when she was in Hollywood, one of her, someone she worked with, her brother was, he gave his ID card to his brother who was a Hollywood guy. He went down underground and supposedly they saw some people trying to cut into one of these things and they couldn't, they couldn't cut into the craft. And, you know, they tried to cut into the, uh, the anti-gravity sphere too, and I guess it blew up and killed some people.

Oops. Yeah. That's Bob Lazars' story. Oh. Sorry, if I may, partly wonder is if this is the same material that, assuming that everything that's going on Peru that we've heard about is correct. Is it Peru, Chile? It's Peru.

Rick, Timco. True. The, the, the, what it sounds like in a siphilin wearing armor, I wonder if that's just the same material. And so one day I got to, to, theorizing, well, how would you take down something like that? You clearly can't penetrate it. But we hear about them saying, ow, when they got shot. So I'm sitting there wondering, okay, so if I throw enough kinetic energy, how do we scramble the inside?

Right. And you can end up down, you get down on all the rabbit holes, Drew, trying to figure that out. I'm sorry, that's just going down, like, I enjoy gun stuff. So that's kind of where I gravitate towards. Yeah. What did L.A. say? L.A. said he got struck by lightning or something. I can't you remember, but... That's what he thinks happened. Yeah. Yeah. That's... That could have happened, right? That's kind of what...

What Ron had told us, and I apologize for telling this out of order. Ron said that it was hit by lightning, and that disrupted some systems out. It was why the Roswell crash. Kraft crashed. That's pretty plausible. Look at us. Just a couple of dummies that know a few things now after four years of doing this. Just trying to figure things.

out very slowly, slowly, but figuring it out, you know. We appreciate it. I think the UFO phenomena is a hotly debated topic on our podcast, especially people who have faith and trying to figure out, you know, with us. I mean, like, you know, we believe Christ is king. We believe that he is the king of heaven. And we believe that, you know, that there is a lot that we don't know about created order. And there is a kingdom of darkness that has minions. and who knows what is on the side of these fallen entities and if Satan is at the top of it,

you know, which, you know, some people even debate that. How many evil figures are a part of the kingdom of darkness? But I think that I think that Jesus makes it clear that there is an adversary, there is an enemy, there is a Satan, you know, figure. I mean, so far as we know, a third of the host of heaven, so there's them. Right. Yeah, it says a third of... third of the stars fell. So, but we appreciate it, man, because I think that some people just are,

some people are still skeptical, this Roswell event even happened. And so all these little bits and pieces, I remember we, we kind of teased L.A. Marzili when he came on about your story. And he was like, whoa, whoa, don't tell anybody. Don't tell anybody. And we're like, he doesn't actually have it. So he's not, he's not an imminent danger. I said, yeah, he doesn't have the piece, but which is even cooler. And then Drew, I bet you could be like, wait, wait, actually, I do have it. Here it is. and you pull it out at the last minute. That would be your style. I didn't tell you I still have it.

I should. Okay, okay. I don't say that on the air. I'm very good. You will disappear. No, I'm actually very good at like replica prop making. So I couldn't,

I could have made something convincing, but I didn't. Yeah. I appreciate it. I might, I might do that later, just leave it up my desk at work in case you ask questions. If you find that,

if you find that drawing at some point, let us know. but this is interesting and more about the writing on it. I wonder what it looks like. But I appreciate you, man. Thanks for digging into it. Thanks for trying to find people to corroborate the story. Thanks for sending us these photos.

If you can send us that letter. Yeah. And whatever you want us to post, we will post along with this. We'll probably make a reel out of it and try to get people to listen to this episode. And they could comb through this evidence for themselves. And if they're skeptical, they're skeptical. But, I mean, L.A. went to the site with a, he said, in a documentary, he took his metal detector and found pieces of this, you know.

and you have two guys in this story who not only saw but have the same details and um you know in the local paper you know i just downloaded it and i think there is a lot more to this roswell story than people think oh it's just a tourist town they're just making money off aliens i think something happened there and clearly the farmers saw it and there's just there were beings that were alive at the time and the grays still show up and a lot of people see these to this day and a lot of people get terrorized by these things. So it helps people who are abductees and people who have seen these entities. It helps them feel at least a little bit better that this isn't all in my head.

You know, so it's good to share the stories. Obviously, we wonder if this piece of craft is out there, Luke. You think it's still in that guy's shed somewhere? Somebody's good, man. I think Drew might have been right, man. It's in a nondescreep box hidden away somewhere. perhaps some Smithsonian got that one as well gosh you know you never know back in archives yeah if you see a 75,000 dollar golf club out there could be it we don't know

buy it well thanks true this has been fun man thanks no thank you we lost to meet you guys yeah put all the work in really appreciate it thank you and shoot us anything you want us to post and and we will yeah once this is done i'll go ahead and get pictures of the the letter and send those over Thanks, awesome. Awesome. Thanks, brother. Thanks, Drew. Be good, man.

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