Blurry Creatures - EP: 26 The Pyramids With Derek Olson & Dr. Judd Burton

Episode Date: March 3, 2021

The Pyramids of Egypt are as iconic as they are mysterious. While many mainstream theories exist on the builders, purpose, and timelines of these magnificent megaliths--none seem to fully answer any of these questions within any measure of reason. And, the pyramids are not the only example of ancient megaliths that can't be fully explained away by conventional history. Derek Olsen of Megalithic Marvels makes his debut on Blurry Creatures alongside old friend of the show Dr. Judd Burton, to dive headlong into the forbidden history surrounding pyramids, ancient Egypt, and other mysterious megalithic marvels across the planet.  Guests: www.megalithicmarvels.com www.burtonbeyond.com contact: [e-mail] blurrycreatures.com Socials instagram.com/blurrycreatures facebook.com/blurrycreatures twitter.com/blurrycreatures Music Kyle Monroe: tinytaperoom.com Aaron Green: https://www.instagram.com/aaronkgreen/ Outro Song: TimeCop1983: timecop1983.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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back to Mohammed Ibrahim who's an Egyptologist and again I feel like he carries a lot of weight because he hangs out with all of this mainstream Egyptologists and again he believes that the pyramid and the obelists were most likely you know operating as huge antennas and he talks about how his his colleagues mainstream Egyptologists you know they have an answer to explain almost every question about ancient Egypt except he says the function of the obelisk and I found this really interesting because when you consider some of the biggest obelisks in Egypt. It's the hapachute-ish suit obelisk, I think, at Karnak. It's like one solid piece of rose granite, again, the hardest granite. And it's more than 20 meters long and it weighs

more than 700 tons. And then you've got the unfinished obelisk, which is just incredible to see. It's over 1,200 tons. But Mohammed Ibrahim talks about how he believes there was ultrasonic cutting basically via sound waves to make these. This is the episode that's going to put us all on the map right here. That's what I'm thinking. This is it? It's got to be it. So you guys started this show.

What was it? Was it September? Last year, is that when you started this? August or September? I think. Awesome. I've been enjoying it. It just kind of you guys came out of nowhere and here it is,

blurry creatures. Yeah, it's a thing, man. Nate, you want to talk about how it all happened? It happened two years ago. I came up with the name, Blurry Creatures. and then it, you know, it took me a while to find Luke. You called out to him in the force, I could hear it now. Luke.

Yeah, it was weird. You know, Nate was just started like, hey, you want to do a Bigfoot podcast? It's like, yeah, actually, I do. I really do want to do that. Today we're going real BC, guys, 9,000 BC, talking about pyramids, megaliths. Welcome to the show, again, Dr. Jed Burton, and our friend, new friend, Derek Olson from Megalithic Marvels. It's good to have you guys on the show today.

man how are you guys doing doing great doing wonderful on our show we've been talking about the ancient giants we've been talking about a lot of ancient history we haven't really gotten into detail about the megaliths or the pyramids and i think we've been dancing around the subject and i want to listen to some of your guys's theories on who do you think built these things how old do you think they are there are some stats out there that the pyramid of giza is 2.3 million blocks they would have to put one block every five minutes for 24 hours a day for 20 years to make just that pyramid. And I think each block weighed two tons. So do you think that's how they did it? That we could start it off. Like 20 years straight making just that one pyramid, that sounds like it would be almost impossible to do that quickly. That theory has never really made much sense to me. There was a construction corporation back in the 70s from Japan called the the Nippon Corporation. And they were going to make a facsimile of a pyramid, not even a model that would even be comparative in terms of size,

but they were just going to make a small facsimile using the methods that archaeologists for the previous several decades had been saying, well, this is how they did it. It was the old heave-ho method, ropes and pulleys and logs. And I'm not saying that there may not have been elements of that involved. They tried to hue limestone blocks

out of a quarry on the gnail and, you know, using bronze chisels and the chisels quickly doled. So they had to break out, you know, modern equipment to even begin to hew the rock and shape it.

So there's fell number one right out of the box. And they tried to sledge the the stones down to the banks of the Nile where they had built reed boats that, you know, again, was one of the prevailing ideas put forth at that time about the transportation of these blocks to the actual build site. Well, they kept having problems hauling the stones down and they would get mired down in the mud. So they had to bring in a crane. There's sheets number two and three

to even begin to put the stones on these reed boats. And as they put the stones on, the boats the boats fell apart and sank into the nile so they actually had to bring out the trucks there's cheat number four to actually drive the stuff to the site and by that time there are so many logistical problems that they just gave up so that little keystone cop attempt at building you know even a facsimile of a pyramid using those methods has never really held much water and i think it speaks in in great detail you know at the end of the day although we could probably quantify some building methods. We have to admit that whatever that technology that was used to build them,

you know, has been lost. You know, we get glimmers of it. I'm always baffled, you know, being a historian and an archaeologist myself, I'm always baffled at the end of the day that everybody is afraid to say, I don't know. You know, it's like you have to put some sort of flag down to say that, hey, this is how they did it. This is how many people agree on how it was done.

And I'm sure that Derek can speak to this from his own work, you know, about how we do. We get glimmers of both from the archaeological record and the historical record, the text record, that there was some sort of technology utilized building methods, masonry that was utilized that we no longer have. Yeah, Derek, maybe does that spark some curiosity in you to start curating yourself? sites and building your fan base of what was your journey getting into this was it curiosity like that the unknown yeah absolutely i was one of these guys probably like you guys you know i grew up man just fascinated by ancient history dinosaurs uh you know reading the bible about these giants these nephalim and you know always asking people just could never really get answers and then i actually went to

Egypt 2008. I went to Israel and Egypt and I saw the, you know, the massive walls by the western wall there. It's the co-tail tunnels of Israel, which are definitely megalithic. And then I went to Egypt. And, you know, back then I didn't even know a fraction of what I know now, but I was just blown away. And so, yeah, I love how Dr. Judd said that it's okay to say, I don't know. But then I think it's you start there and then you look at all the evidence and you begin your your research from there and so yeah that's that's that's kind of my heart behind megalithic marvels it's a it's a forum you know to share my own photographs my own thoughts research and then create a platform to just dialogue about this stuff because it's so incredible these wonders constructed in you know the prehistoric past

I believe they still confound today's experts and they were really defy our greatest modern engineering. You mentioned, I like your stats there about the Great Pyramid, how you guys started out with that, because if Kufu, you know, if he constructed the Great Pyramid, I think that would be about 2,600 BC. Right. Right. The Old Kingdom. Yeah, the old kingdom. And when you kind of start to weigh the evidence out, it's, boy, that seems like a tall leap to me. because like you said, they would have had to set one of these multi-ton blocks, 2.5 million of them, I think, every two minutes. That is insane. And so what else was going on?

I have some other thoughts I can share later, but you look at just even around the Great Pyramid, whether it's at Abidos or the black boxes of the Serapium, the Sphinx, there's drill holes and saw cuts. all over this area of Giza in Egypt, right? And some of these core drill holes to me are the most fascinating because Aswan pink granite is, you know, that's some of the hardest, finest granite. Dr. Judd, you can speak more on that, I'm sure, but you find these core drill holes into this super hard Azwan Peak Granite. And they've even found the core pieces that were broken out of these drills.

And, you know, they're just perfectly cut in a round form. So, boy, I start to see all that. And it's like there's a lot more going on than we've been led to believe. Even before you say, I don't know, a lot of people don't even acknowledge that like these things exist. They almost ignore the elephant in the room. It's worth saying, I don't know what the elephant in the room is. And then it's just like, there is no elephant. Do you guys feel that this subject is just ignored?

Yeah, I think to a large degree, and I've experienced this from being a professor myself, you know, that if there was really academic freedom, then there would be room to tend these other questions like those, such as the pyramid of Kufu, you know, things like the drill holes that Derek is talking about, you know, the pink granite and there are other stones around the world used in monuments like granite diarite. The only way that you can cut this stuff now with any sort of accuracy, to my knowledge, is with either cobalt-tipped or diamond-tipped drill bits. And that brings up questions as to, A, did they have that kind of technology at the end? Or B, did they have something else that did the same thing? He mentioned the elephant in the room. Here's another elephant in the room. you know, there are these gaping holes in our knowledge about monuments like the Great Pyramid

and its age, which I also think is greatly underdated when Dr. Robert Schock came along and dropped the bomb on all of us that the weathering around the Sphinx enclosure was caused by water and not wind and sand erosion from the desert. Well, the last time there was enough water in Egypt to do that kind of erosion was in this period we were talking about before the show, you know, that transitional period between the late plasticine and the early Holocene epic. And I think shock now, at first he dated it to about 7,000 BC, and he's pushed it all the way back to 10,000 BC now. And that has ramifications for all the monuments of Giza, but especially ones like the Sphinx and the Great Pyramid. I'm sure that Derek could

could also speak to those having done extensive research on those monuments. But I can't tell you how many textbooks they stand firm on this idea that the oldest civilizations were the fourth millennium ones, the so-called hydraulic despotisms, the Mesopotamian civilization, the Egyptian civilization, and that of the Indus River Valley, when clearly if we're to use those same criteria to say what a civilization is and is not, there were prehistoric city states that fall under those categories as well. But again, these get shoved to the periphery despite the fact that the way that scientific archaeology, scientific history is supposed to work is that when you find something new that corroborates an idea that you had before,

then go with it. If you find evidence that contradicts it and it mounts up, if it's honest and genuine science, if it's valid science, then you logically have to make that change, that amendment to... It just becomes a new part, right? Where they just place it aside. Sometimes it feels like when you get that phone bill, it's like the crash site document, you can't read it.

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and what we get into is how does the creatures fit into this? And Luke and I constantly are going back in time trying to figure out where does Bigfoot come from. And that's where the Giants comes in. And those listening, I think all of us can agree that I think we all, the Giants, enters into the conversation when we're talking about this stuff. Do you guys find, Jud and Derek, do you guys find that the Giants part of the stories and completely ignored? And are they either the entities producing?

these megaliths or a big part of it? I think there's definitely a connection. I was just did an interview with Hugh Newman who's been to Egypt a lot and he was, I was asking him this question. We were talking about giants and I was asking him if there's, you know, what is your belief on the connections of megaliths and maybe ancient giants? And when it comes to Egypt in the Great Pyramid, you know, he's obviously a guy who believes in giants. He wrote giants on record, is a great book. And he was saying that he believes most likely that the builders of the pyramid, in his view, could have been the followers of Horace, who, you know, predated the dynastic Egyptians. But they were, they came right after, you know, the demigods of the golden age

or, you know, the Nephilim hybrids, if you want to call them that. So maybe they were a couple generations removed, but they had this knowledge, advanced technology. So I found that interesting that he mentioned them as the followers of Horace, and I haven't done a lot of research on that myself. But I find it interesting that there's depictions in oral traditions about a king, his name is Casamway of Egypt, and he ruled about the end of the first dynasty near Abidos and Sakara, but the depictions and the oral traditions around King Cascahamei are that he was like an eight-foot giant. And so even, you know, in the first dynasty, we have depictions and we have oral traditions

about possible giants that were literally ruling then. And then you combine that with just other weird finds. Have you guys heard about the giant mummified finger that was found in the 80s in Egypt? I think I've seen a photo of it. Yeah, it's pretty crazy. It's, uh, I haven't heard about that. This finger, I mean, it's literally, it's mummified. It's got skin on it and this big old, you know, fingernail.

And you can even see bone coming out of the one end of it. So it's, you know, it's got all three joints there of like the main pointer finger it looks like. But you measure that. Apparently, the guys who found this and have done the studies on it, say it came off of what would be like a 16 foot tall being. Pretty crazy, you know, so you take that, you take King Casamoy and a lot of these depictions, you take Akhten. He really is somebody that intrigues me because he has this elongated conical skull and these very weird features, right, that are depicted all over in Egypt. He ruled about 1,380 BC during the 18th dynasty. in I think it was the New Kingdom period, but yeah, reliefs show him with this long skull.

He's got these really large legs and extended chin, high cheekbones, and like slanted eyes, which some would say are like serpentine looking features. And then you look at depictions of his children. They have these really long elongated skulls, which, you know, at first glance, appear that this is more than cranial headboarding. these because the elongation is maybe 25% larger than a normal looking skull or something. I'm just guessing. But again, you take all of that and you go, man, definitely more going on than we know. So if we're talking to the followers of Horace, and we're going to play this into the arc of sort of

where our show's been, Nate, if we're to take that the giants came from, you know, from the watchers and from the sons of God, is it your guys' opinion, especially maybe Derek and let's start with Derek here, that not only are these things way older than they're presumed by traditional academia, but like, Derek, do you start there where you're like, okay, like, if we're going back past the dynastic stuff into the even earlier Egyptian days, are we talking, are we talking about technology that was gifted to man from there? And that's when the pyramers were built. And then they were just, it happened to be there during the reign of Kaffray and Kufu

and everybody else who supposedly built these monuments. for whatever they might be. Yeah, I think I lean towards all of that, Luke. A lot of the temples we see around Egypt were likely repurposed by the dynastics who found them thousands of years later, right? I lean towards the pyramids being, you know, the pyramid and the sphinx and a lot of these structures, man, being tens of thousands of years older than the dynastic Egyptians. And so a guy I follow, he's an Egyptologist.

He was born and raised right there in Giza's. Muhammad Ibrahim. He does a lot of tours and such. He subscribes and talks a lot about Chris's Dunn's. He's the author of the Giza Power Plant. And so, I mean, boy, there's just a lot of fascinating theories around that they'll talk about real quick. So in a sense, and again, I like to listen to the guys that live in Egypt and our natives of Egypt, right? It grew up reading hieroglyphs. And Muhammad Ibrahim is one of these guys who he was trying to, you know, go the mainstream route and just be all scientific about all this stuff. But he says that the evidence is so overwhelming. You know, he's fallen on this side of things as he's seen it himself, his whole life.

And he's felt, you know, the energetic vibrations that you can still experience at some of these obelisks and such. And so he basically believes that, yeah, the Great Pyramid. And, you know, these obelisks, these are basically like huge in tannis that basically channel cosmic rays. And so in the ancients, tens of thousands of years ago, ancient days, this would somehow release power and energy upon, you know, the region or the city. Chris Dunn, you know, his book, the Giza Power Plant, he concludes that, you know, the Great Pyramid was probably built by a highly technical society, you know, with energy. and so in short it was in a sense kind of like a large machine with holistic energy. Again, it harmonically somehow coupled with Earth. And one of his big, what he would say, proofs of this is when you look at the Grand Gallery,

which is just this architectural masterpiece because of its geometric design. And you guys, I believe, yeah, you're all musicians. And so you'll appreciate this. But have you ever heard the sounds, the harmonics when you're in the Grand Gallery and how they just acoustic, it's acoustic resonance. And so when you go through that passageway, it leads to the ante chamber and then to the King's Chamber. But there's basically, when you're going through the grand gallery, there's basically 27 pairs of these slots that are cut into the ramp that goes up. And so Dunn believed that these slots basically held some kind of resonator.

and that sounds crazy and far out, right? But then they've found possible evidence to support this speculation, but that there's these scorch marks on the walls of the Grand Gallery just in these specific spots. And if you look close, they almost look like impact craters through which something exploded or something happened. And that really impacted the pyramid in ways they think it was a great earthquake, but it was likely it could have been some kind of,

explosion. And so, again, when you look at the pyramid, you can see all this heat damage inside on the corbled layers. That's just interesting. Again, a lot of speculation, but also you look at the evidence objectively and you go, man, is there something to this where this generated energy somehow? I like the way that Jared Diamond puts it in his book, Guns Germs, and still, he talks, which is basically a history of the world. And he talks about basically the apex of the book is the meeting of the old world and the new world. And I'm using this example to illustrate the significance of the change that takes place from the point when we were as a species, hunter gathers for millions of years. And then almost in, you know, just in terms of geologic time,

almost overnight, we go to be, you know, these city dwelling megalith building people, or at least it's another option for social organization. And what Jared Diamond argues in the meeting of the old world and the new world. And the reason that the old world was able to conquer the new world, say in the, you know, 1,500s is that there were so many elements of geography and epidemiology and cultural advancement that took place in Eurasia because it was long east to west. And the Americas were long north to south. And so it was harder for that information to spread. And so the old world had all had this jump on the gun, basically, in terms of developing weaponry and terms of developing basic elements of civilization.

They put them in a place to be militarily and epidemiologically to overtake and change the culture of the New World very drastically. And that's the point that I'm making is that when the Spanish come over, the change to native culture into 1500s is cataclysmic and it's irreparable. You can't change the trajectory that it's on by that point because you had this vastly, technologically superior force that exerted these influences for both good and ill over the culture of the Americans. And that's why I think, you know, using that same sort of logic, you can apply that to what

happens with the watchers. You know, here you have this celestial cabal essentially bringing all in exchange for genetic access to the human species. They provide all of this information that drastically alters the colds the cold. cultural trajectory of humanity. And I think a lot of the megalithic structures in the world, I think a lot of the

questions that we still have about technologies that were used to render them and even other technologies stem from that outside influence. And so, I suppose you call that a kind of cosmic guns, germs, and steel theory. But the logic holds, and you can,

I mean, there are other examples too, like the cargo cults and the South Pacific. You know, once they were exposed to all of air dropping of supplies and airplanes and things like that, it completely reoriented their culture. And it was never the same after that. One thought I have with all this, and maybe you guys can see if you're tracking with me, is that over time, the giants kind of breed out of the population, right? There's a time when they're larger. And it seems like over time from all of our episodes, they get, they go from some say 24,

foot, maybe bigger, all the way down to six, seven, eight foot. Do you think that in the same way, the knowledge as if the giants are getting breeded out, maybe some of this knowledge that they have, this supernatural knowledge is slowly dying out? Yeah, Nate, I think I would agree with that. Yeah, I think there was some kind of obviously golden age and lost ancient technology handed down right from the watchers to mankind in exchange for. you know, the ability to, as Genesis and the book of Enoch would tell us, right, breed with women, and they would in turn give mankind, you know, these sacred sciences as Gary Wayne would talk about.

And yeah, I think, I mean, we know with all over the earth, every civilization talks about some great cataclysm or flood. And with that, I think, came some, you know, obviously secret knowledge that thousands of years removed, you know, you start to lose. The crazy part is, you know, we've got the Bible that speaks about giants and we've got other ancient manuscripts, the book of Enoch. We've got historians like Josephus talking about giants. We've got, you know, literally newspaper articles from the 1800s, early 1900s talking about giant skeletons being found. Sardinia is an island that just fascinates me because not only are there megalists there with these Naragi towers and to me, to me, one of the most fascinating megalis. Githic sites on earth is the well of Santa Christina. I don't know if you've seen a picture of that.

It was named after a Catholic church, which is nearby, but this is a trapezoidal subterranean well-looking structure made with clear advanced technology. It looks very similar to kind of what you'd see in the grand gallery actually of the Great Pyramid. But all that to say, you listen to the oral traditions of the people that still live there. One of the most fascinating things about Sardinia is they're called the, tombs of the giants that are found all over this island.

And these are massive tombstones and graves that are literally, you know, 15 feet long and really wide. But again, I'm saying all that to set up the fact that their own oral traditions, people still alive today talk about the giants they saw when they were kids, the giant skeletons that have since been removed. And so to me, that's fascinating that you have not just, newspaper articles, but you have firsthand accounts from people still alive that they saw giant skeletons, you know, back in the day, right? And so to me, that just adds to the whole

narrative. You've got ancient manuscripts. You've got old newspaper articles. Now you have firsthand accounts. And then to me, to answer your question, Nate, all these crazy elongated skulls we see. You know, I went to Paracas, Peru a couple years ago with Brian Forster. And I saw, you know, I got to see these up close. I think Dr. Judd, I know you have as well. And you look at this and to me, this is, there's got to be a connection here where, yeah, maybe the giants got smaller and shorter, but somehow there's a connection with these crazy elongated skulls we see in the Black Sea region and then Peru. They've clearly got genetic anomalies surrounding them. there's no way that cradle headboarding can create that.

Crayal headboarding can obviously change the shape of a skull. It cannot add more cranial mass. And these skulls clearly have a lot more cranial mass. And so to me, that's part, I guess, the way I would answer your question, Nate, is I think when we look at those, we're looking at, I don't have all the answers, but some connection there with the offspring of the watchers. you know, here we can look at them and touch them today. Derek, you know, I told L.A. Marzuli and some of the other people that I worked with down there, is that I came away with more questions than I did answers, far more questions. And that was the big one is that if they were emulating their earliest kings,

what did these kings look like? Because clearly they were not your typical, you know, anthropomorphic, you know, humanoid fashion we would see as human. Clearly, they were trying to pay homage to something that was other. It might have had human in it. And I talked with Nate and Luke a couple of weeks ago about a new paper that I wrote. Touching on that subject, you know, that these God kings culturally engineered elements of language, elements of our technology, so forth. And there was this tradition that you can read about, not just it shows up in the Mesopotamian material.

you know, where there's a reverence to the long-dead god kings in the Apsu, the abyss. And then it shows up, especially in the Eucharitic material that the Phoenicians recorded, you know, in the Roshammer text, you know, there's a funerary cult where they're actually paying homage to these long-dead ancestor kings. They have to placate them, gain their favor, gain knowledge from them, called the Rapa-a-Uvi, which is more famously similar to Raffa-E. in the Old Testament. You're basically looking at the same morpheme incognate. And then, of course, in the Mesopotamian material, it's Rabah or Raphaa, which shows up in names like Hamarabi and Amrafil. But it too means prince or ruler.

Clearly, these people were emulating these long-dead god kings. So these semi-divine creatures that I think the first rendering of giants after this great cataclysm, the delugees. the flood, whatever people want to call it, these are the ones that sort of reboot the watcher tech, and it begins to proliferate, particularly in the Neolithic period. You know, in the long-dead God kings, you know, a lot of people, besides ideas that pyramids are generators and power source, a lot of people say that they would put the, you know, obviously the dead kings inside of them with all their possessions.

What do you guys think about some of those theories that these, they're like a holding place for the dead kings themselves. I mean, from my research, you know, I don't believe any mummy or dead Pharaoh was ever found inside the Great Pyramid. And so I think most researchers would admit to that. So, I mean, right there, you've got to ask yourself, okay, what's going on? If this was built as a tomb for a Pharaoh, why wasn't a Pharaoh ever found? I think most likely, again, they were repurposed. And the dynastic Egyptians found these superstructures that they knew were from a lost epoch. And, and, and, you know, made with advanced tech and repurposed them as, you know, as a burial chamber as they broke inside. And they found these passageways. I think an example of this are the black boxes of the

Serapium and Sakara. To me, these are one of the most enigmatic things in all of Egypt because the Serapim is like this lebrinth. I think it was discovered about 1850. And inside underground with these 25, you know, black granite boxes, they're cut. with, you know, it sounds crazy, I know, but laser like precision, right? I mean, these things away, the boxes are 70 tons and the lids are 30 tons, I believe, so it's about 100 tons total. And they were found empty. And, but you'll find on like two or three of them are some really crude hieroglyphics, which were clearly added thousands of years later and don't even match the precision of the boxes themselves. And so I think that's an example of repurposing where at first glance, you might say,

oh, well, the Egyptians made these because there's hieroglyph on the side, and they were for burial chambers for bulls, as I think mainstream Egypt talls just would say. But again, you look, you look at all of the evidence, and there's a lot of, there's a lot more questions than answers. For example, the enclosures where these crazy boxes are found are about two feet wider than the boxes themselves. And these boxes are so heavy, they would have needed a vast army of men to transport them, right? But there's no way they could move them through the skinny tunnels, if that makes sense. Yeah. And the stone that was used to make these boxes was quarried from Aswan. Again, we talked about that pink granite, which is like the finest, hardest,

material in Egypt. That's over 500 miles away. And so how would they move these 100-ton boxes, 25 of them into this enclosure. And then there's no firemarks found on the roof of this enclosure. And when you look at the enclosure, and maybe you guys can link some pictures in the show notes, I don't know, but the enclosure looks really crude compared to the boxes, right? And there's no firemarks on the roof, which they would have needed light to see what the heck they were doing. So to me, that's a great example of these were probably here, tens of thousands of years earlier. Dynastic Egyptians found them, built this enclosure over them, and there you go.

I was looking at those black boxes. It's crazy. I mean, they barely fit inside these little rooms. And they were showing, you know, we'll have to link these notes or these pictures because they're taking and showing the angles on these things, which is like perfect 90 degree. I mean, it looks, you're right, like laser cut. You know, and one thing we talk a lot about on our show is acoustic frequencies. Several guests have talked about this. And it seems like the ancients understood sound better than anyone. Do you think sound is how they moved everything? They could tap into the resonance of blocks.

It seems like there's some sound technology that we just, we don't even understand. There's so many things about the pyramids as well, like especially the Great Pyramid. If you ever breaking down the mathematics that they find inside of this, It's incredible. Like the dimensions of it, the fact that it's perfectly situated to the cardinal point. It's perfectly situated halfway between the North Pole and the equator. It's perfectly situated on these spots on Earth. And then also, if you multiply it by these certain numbers, you can fit the Earth right inside of it.

And it has mathematical terms associated with, weren't discovered until the 16th century. They use pie. They use all these crazy, this crazy math that they, didn't exist until we consider modern times. And the precision to which even it's laid out, I think you kind of, like Derek, you kind of alluded that in the beginning in the way that the whole place is set up.

It just, it blows your mind, like, to think that, you know, the traditional history would say, you know, we're a bunch of cavemen that became hunter-gatherers. And somehow, but somehow all this stuff was created that we can't figure out how they actually did it. And it's mathematically perfect. And they knew all these things about the earth and the moon.

and the dimensions of the earth and the measurements that weren't supposed to have already, along with mathematical quotients they weren't supposed to have already. You know, our comfort level has sort of been conditioned to when we hear the word stone age, we immediately think of, you know, leather-clad brutes, you know, hunting down megafauna, and they certainly did that, but these weren't unsophisticated people. And as to Nate's point, too, you know, was there some understanding of sound and vibration? I think that's part of the stone technology equation that often gets left out of any sort of analysis of a given group from the so-called various stages of the Stone Age. The go-to part of for archaeologists, for Stone Age technology, of course, is Lithic technology, the making of Flint tools and knives and things like that, which is certainly important.

but it leaves out this whole world of understanding that these people obviously had about the Piazoelectric properties of rocks, the acoustic properties of rocks, the resonant properties of rocks. And if they were able to harness this knowledge, you know, whether it was taught to them by the watchers or the giants or whomever, if they're able to harness this, then it's not outside things like levitating, you know, heavy stones is not outside the realm of possibility because we know that we know that we. can do that in a microcosmic fashion in laboratory science today. It's very clear that the people of the Stone Age were sophisticated because they weren't intellectually compartmentalized for one thing. And whether this is part of the natural flow of knowledge or it has to do with the tutelage that the generations prior had received from watchers and the first generation of giants, what it speaks to is their culture, their mythology,

was a sea, an ocean on which all of their bodies of knowledge floated. And so they didn't have the sort of horse-blinder approach to dividing bodies of knowledge that we do in the modern world. And so as they would pay homage to their gods that they associated with stars and the movements of stars and celestial bodies, they're able to also extrapolate mathematics up to, you know, higher order mathematics approaching calculus. Well, if you can do that, you can apply that knowledge to engineering. And I think that's what allows a lot of the megalithic structures to be positioned the way that they are,

and in some cases rendered the way that they are, because there's this facet of knowledge of stone technology that clearly is being left out of any sort of analysis of these megalithic structures. Like I said, I mean, without physical, the go-to technological analysis in anthropology and archaeology today is to look at the, you know, lithic part of that, the making of stone cutters and scrapers and mallets and knives and spear points and things like that. Not the other possibilities of, you know, an actual geological technology that these people were more than likely aware of. I mean, are we all on agreement that humans didn't build these? It didn't sound like. It doesn't sound like humans built them.

I think human labor was involved in the building of some of them. But I think that it's, let's just put it this way. I think your engineers and your foreman were either watchers and giants or some, you know, some combination. But that's not to say that later generations of giants weren't used in the construction of some of these megalithic structures. Yeah, I would agree with that totally what Dr. Judd set that up about human. labor. And again, back to the repurposing theory with the dynastic Egyptians, you know, when we consider, you know, the Hebrews in Egypt, you know, it's most likely that they were serving, you know, the pharaohs again who found these structures or repurposing them and were using,

you know, slave labor to do it, right? But to Nate's question about like sound resonance, I had a thought. Back to Mohammed Ibrahim, who's an Egyptologist, And again, I feel like he carries a lot of weight because he hangs out with all of this mainstream Egyptologists. And again, he believes that the pyramid and the obelists were most likely, you know, operating as huge antennas. And he talks about how his colleagues, mainstream Egyptologists, you know, they have an answer to explain almost every question about ancient Egypt except he says the function of the obelisk. And I found this really interesting.

Because when you consider some of the biggest obelisks in Egypt, it's the hapish suit obelisk, I think, at Karnak, it's like one solid piece of rose granite, again, the hardest granite. And it's more than 20 meters long and it weighs more than 700 tons. And then you've got the unfinished obelisk, which is just incredible to see. It's over 1,200 tons. But Mohammed Ibrahim talks about how he believes. there was ultrasonic cutting basically via sound waves to make these. And how when you look at the obelisks, you'll see these thin brown colored lines in different places on them.

And he believes these are left behind from the cut marks or whatever the ancient machining they were using that was using high levels of heat. And he would equate it to today, you know, we actually use sound waves via ultrasound to help cure people of like kidney stones and other physical issues. So he's saying, again, back then with this lost knowledge, he believes they were using some type of sound waves, ultrasonic cutting to create a lot of these structures, at least these obelisks. And when you look at the unfinished obelisk, this massive 1,200-ton one that's still laying

in the quarry because it cracked. you'll see that there's these scoot marks in it. Again, you study the scoot marks. And again, it's kind of similar to what you might see in Peru in some places, but it would suggest, again, some kind of resonance. And then when you look at the details of some of the hieroglyphs on these obelisks, like the eyes of some of the characters in these hieroglyphs, they're so small and so fine, it would require almost some kind of nanotechnology because

these are smaller than a finger. And to have an archaic tool, again, the impossibilities of making that so precise are pretty obvious, right? So there's no way it could have been done by a hammer and a chisel. And a lot of people say, including Muhammad Ibrahim, you can actually feel vibrations if you touch these obelisks at Karnik. Again, which is crazy. But again, if you believe that it's some kind of power antenna channeling atmospheric energy, it would basically pass it to the granite floors. And then it would power these surrounding temples possibly. So pretty crazy stuff to consider. Where in your mind are the best examples that these things pre-exist and we're probably repurposed by the people that we associate or science associates with them with now

or even history associates them with now. Really all over the world in certain places. Yeah, Peru would be one of the big ones aside from Egypt, right? I mean, it's just chalk full. It's a megalithic paradise, basically. You could go there a hundred times and barely scratch the surface. Dr. Judd, I'm sure you would agree on just the megalithic paradise. Lifts there. And most people think of Sox-e-Wamon or Al-Taytamba when they think of the megalis in Peru.

But, I mean, some of the most fascinating ones are off the beaten path. When I went there, one of the most fascinating sites I visited was Brian took us to this really remote cave. And this was in the sacred valley of Peru. And so again, the sacred valley is kind of northwest of like Kusko. And you drive up to Machu Picchu, you see Al-Tatombo. But way off the beaten path in the a mountainous ravine, and we hike up the face of this mountain range. And I'm talking, it was way up there. And as you're getting higher, you start to see, you know, what's probably Inca ruins, right? Rough small stone with mortar. You know, it's cool, but it's, you know, it looks like it's not super old. And way up in the distance, you see this cave. And I mean,

stepping inside once you get up to this cave was literally a mind-blowing. Because inside, was incredible precision, megalific architecture that you would see just like at Soxay-Wamon or Machu Picchu, right? But in a remote cave, which is absolute proof. There's no way they brought power tools up here, right? And so, but you step into this cave and literally this one wall cut into the face is like what looks like a door into another world. precision cut. It's probably 100 feet wide, I'm guessing. And there's a faux doorway.

But even crazier on the other end of the cave was what looked like a console or altar, literally out of a sci-fi movie. Now the top was blown off from people 100 or so years ago, which is really unfortunate because it'd be incredible to see what this console looked like. But I mean, it was almost like it had seats you could sit in. The site is called,

Noopahaka, I believe, if people want to Google that. But to me, that was some of the most incredible proof, way in a mountainous cave, way up in the Andes Mountains, that there was a lost technology that probably predates the Inca. And then I would say another example of other sites around the world is just some of the cyclopean stuff we see in Greece and even Italy is, because it's like its own style, right? like Egypt's cool and obviously the Peruvian stuff is cool, but man, the cyclopean stuff is really amazing in its own right. It's polygonal. And when you consider the oral traditions in some of the writings of the cyclopean architecture, many believe these were built by giant cyclops,

which could have been a Nephilim hybrid type creature, right? And not a big, dumb ogre, per se, but these were thought to be serious artisans who actually lived under the earth and were like master stone masons and metallurgists and who retained somehow knowledge of the early gods. So you can see their work in Greece, Italy, and even some on Sardinia. So those are some examples. Yeah, we posted some articles of Cyclops, skulls being dug up that were specifically Cyclops. They weren't a mastodon skull because a lot of people, they dig up a mastodon skull, and they say, oh, it's a cyclops because it's got, it looks, it's got the hole in the middle of the skull. But this was specifically a cyclop.

So that's interesting. Not to get too weird here, because everyone goes into the ancient alien things, but this kind of reminds me of when they brought Bob Lazard to Area 51, if you, if you subscribe to any of that. And his job was trying to figure out these anti-gravity spheres. We have this technology of propulsion. and theirs was like you sit in this, you know, alien craft, and it pulls you into the, there's like a gravity bend, and they produce the energy right out of thin air. They don't have gas, fuel, you know, they're not building rockets.

They're pulling their energy right from the surroundings. And it seems like if you're up in this cave, I'm just kind of using my mind here, you have to be able to tap into the energy that's right there. If these entities are behind the UFOs, maybe they're the ones who were behind this technology to pull energy right out of thin air. It's interesting.

Regarding my experience up in that cave in the Sacred Valley, there was a crazy thing that happened when we were up there because I was with this group of people, right? Obviously, I subscribed to the biblical worldview of things. But if you don't, I mean, you can be opened all kinds of stuff, right? Up in this cave, they basically started doing a song and dance that was welcoming some kind of what they said, spirits, right? And so I'm thinking, oh man, where is this going to go, right? Basically, they had people that were, you know, of Inka lineage there, beating drums and chanting. And a guy in the tour group, a couple people over from me, he basically starts shaking, which, again, this sounds crazy. I should state that before they started chanting, they were saying, you know, just receive the energy and receive the power of the ancient spirits and stuff like that, okay?

they start beating their drums, this guy starts basically manifesting and he's shaking and he's basically scared to death and even screaming. So it was a really weird situation and people are kind of like, what's going on? And people started to grab him and what's going on? Are you okay? And this guy, he comes out of this and he basically describes how he had this crazy experience where he saw this, I believe he said it was a Panther. descend through the portal in the cave and come into him.

I was just sitting there just like, what did I just see? And does this maybe explain a little bit of the purpose of why that was created? I don't know, but I thought that was a really crazy experience. Well, I think, too, that you likely know this, Derek, that caves in particular have been considered by many cultures over spaces. in time to be openings to the underworld. And a lot of these, well, I'll say a lot, but a number of these sites are clearly, they were clearly conceived to be some sort of portal to another place.

Dr. Aaron Jenkins and I are finishing a book actually right now, I go Beckley-Tepi on the Bible. And, you know, even for people that don't subscribe to, you know, like a biblical or supernatural worldview like we do, even the archaeologists who don't typically subscribe to that, they're all of the mind that the people that built Gobeckley-Tepi conceived of this as a portal to the netherworld. It shows up again and again and again in the literature.

What we're left with here is a remnant of that sort of watcher technology because these high places that were associated with the gods of antiquity, and I would argue at least late prehistory, they sort of in a way mimic the Genesis 6 event, you know, when the watchers actually, where do they touch down? Well, they touch down on Mount Herman. This sets the model up for divine counsels of all kinds of gods, I think, all over the world, not just in the ancient Near East and the Mediterranean world, but all over the world. Because their gods are always associated with these high places and caves and mountain tops.

It makes me think of, you know, Zeus was raised on a cave, on the top of a mountainous. on the top of a mountain on Crete, but just as these watchers were sort of the archetype for the divine, you know, these divine counsels of gods and their association with features like caves and mountaintops, I think that that also speaks to the fact that it sets up a model in many ways for the building of these pyramidal structures that we find all over the world,

whether we're talking about the Egyptian pyramids or the Zygorots in Mesopotamia or the pyramids in Mesopotamia or the pyramids in Mesopotamia, or the pyramids in Mesoamerica or South America. I think all of these structures are following this kind of blueprint because you often have temple structures at the apex of these structures. And I think, you know, and even going back to the literature that you find in like comparative religion, and what religious scholars say about mountains is that mountains and pyramids anyway is that pyramids in a way are mountain effigies. Some of them are made out of, in particular, I think about the Olmec pyramids

in Cahokia outside of St. Louis, which were earth and pyramids. Whether we're talking about stone, hewn stone, or actual earth in pyramids, I think in a way it sort of brings us back to the watcher event on the top of Mount Herman as a kind of blueprint for these later pyramidal megalithic structures. What I was getting to you with what religious scholars have to say about mountains in pyramids is that pyramids are these mountain effigies and they represent a kind of sacred space. where the sacred and the profane realms come together. They're in the abode of the gods,

but they're placed on these things that come out of the earth too. And so they represent this sort of connection between the celestial and the terrestrial. And so in the research that I've done, this is something that pops up again and again and again. And I think I always go back to, I think the Mount Hermon event in many ways is at least a blueprint for many of the pyramid structures

that we find around the globe. And they're everywhere. There's some hidden in places like Montana and Antarctica. Sure. I mean, they're still finding them. I've seen the Antarctica ones. I was going to ask about that. They have these pyramidal mountains that they think they found with satellites that look,

and they're supposed to be massive. But I think, Jed, what you're saying is super fascinating. If you're trying to recreate and sort of man-make a mountain in that sense in order to have the gods, the gods arrive, or, I mean, that makes sense. and even the sense of the power plant theory that you're creating something that's going to harness or bring this power, this power down.

And then I think when you're talking about the cave thing, it's fascinating too that we look to the New Testament and we see Jesus went to Caesar of Philippi and there's a cave there. I'm not as smart as you guys. I'm not as smart as you guys. Well said, Luke. No, well said. I thought you nailed that. There is a really

fascinating area called Elephantine Island. It's basically this this granite island further south it's down on the river nile it's actually known by the ancients is like the heart of egypt kind of an oral traditions and that it's the source of a nile but not obviously in a water sense but but in an that the waters are energized because they flow from underneath this island when you go to this island and i'm actually hoping to get to egypt this year I can't wait to go here because there's incredible megalithic structures on this island. Again, that probably predate the dynastic Egyptians.

There's these kind of like the black boxes that are at the CRPM. There's similar broken boxes. Precision cut, precision crafted, as smooth as like a glass mirror. Yet you'll see they're totally like just ripped in half. Like some crazy cataclysm just shook this to the core. and perfect 90 degree angles and smooth to the touch. So it's crazy what they achieved. When you go to this island, it's granted itself, but it's covered completely in like mud bricks.

Again, the locals know that there's an energy emanating basically from this area. Muhammad Ibrahim even talks about how back in the day, even as far as, you know, 25 years ago, mothers in that area, they would go to have their. children in some of these areas because of the healing properties, which again, I know it sounds crazy. But he says it's like the energy is slowly fading. And that kind of goes back to our discussion on are we losing this knowledge? And basically, it was like the power was turned off, right? Whenever this great cataclysm happened, the flood, the power source to these were turned off. And it's slowly, you know, the remnants of it are slowly fading away. But again, the crazy thing is if you go to this island,

And in some places at certain times you can supposedly still feel magnetic vibrations and such. And see crazy me, which again, to me, is part of the piece of the puzzle. Have you heard of those energy healing tables that people lay on and they're supposed to heal you, that they say that some of these, the ancients had these tables and they were able to live a lot longer because they would lay on these tables and then basically all their ailments would leave. I've had several people send me links to these healing tables, which sounds like what

you were talking about. Judd, I got a question to follow up in what Derek just said. Considering our conversations that we've had, you know, over the course of this show, if what we were talking about with these megalithic structures really is, it has to do with energy and power and resonance and stuff, would it be a leap to assume that pre-cataclysm, the makeup of the atmosphere, the makeup of the earth, we consider to be different, would have been different, that these perhaps operated in that space and therefore don't operate really in the sense of what Derek saying,

if it's fading, that our current climate or whatever changed about the Tara here, you thought of, I mean, I don't know if that's a theory that exists out there, or I mean, I just kind of thought of that. No, I think that's a tenable idea because we know that the further back in time you go, and we can tell this from, you know, a number of kinds of diagnostic assessments, you know, ice core samples and rock stratification, sediments taken from those strata. We know that even as recent as the Pleistocene epic, you know, that I believe, you know, I believe the, personally, I believe that the younger dryest cataclysm that takes place around that transitional

period is the flood event, the Noahic flood, the deluge that Hesiod writes about, you know, in the eugeny and orcs and days, you know, the same cataclysis, series of cataclysms that destroyed Atlantis. I think we're talking about the same thing. We know that even the oxygenation in the atmosphere was greater at that time. It was at least 40 or 50% greater than it is right now. And then further back in geological time, you go, we know that it was even greater then. And in those conditions,

we know that Fuller genetic expression is possible so that, you know, that's the reason that the megafauna were possible in the first place. Not just the mammalian quadrupeds that we had during the Pleistocene, but going back to the time of the day, dinosaurs. The reason that one of the things you notice very quickly in looking at dinosaur fossils, and I'm not a paleontologist, but I talk with these guys all the time. One thing you notice very quickly about the dinosaurs is that they had very limited chest cavity capacity, very small compared to the rest of their body, is because there was more oxygen in the atmosphere for them to draw on,

and they didn't have to work as hard. You apply that to, you know, if in some way that greater oxygenation, which we know enriches health, if all these conditions are different, then it's possible that the technology or the monuments, whatever we want to, whatever appellation we want to give to them, wouldn't work under present conditions.

Because right now, the oxygen percentage in the atmosphere is about 19%. Maybe that's what it is, Derek. Maybe we're looking at like a machinery and ancient machinery that was fine-tuned to work. in an environment or a bygone time that now we live in just physically, even not even spiritually speaking, but physically we live in a different earth. So we talked a lot about the 90-degree angle construction of some of these megaliths.

But the stuff in Peru that Brian Forster was talking about, it's totally different. It's one thing to build the pyramid, every single block is exactly the same. And it's another thing to build some of these. And it looks like there's no design idea at all. all. It's just eventually we'll get there, but every block is a different size and a different cut. What do you say about that, guys? Because that's the stuff that blows my mind that it looks like these things were melted and set in a place. You said that well, Nate. I mean, you guys have probably heard that, you know, oral tradition says that when the Spanish arrived

in the Kuska area and they spoke to the Inca, that the Inca basically told them that, hey, we didn't build the stuff. It was built by a previous civilization. Like Brian. Ryan points out so well regarding the megalis in Peru. I mean, you can't fit a human hair through any of these joints, right? I mean, you might in some places now after cataclysms and earthquakes, but especially when these things were made originally, perfectly mortalists. Like you said, Nate, it's almost like they were able to heat the stone, melt it like a marshmallow, and then literally shape it. As far as we know, the only tools found in the archaeological record that the Inca possessed to craft stones or bronze chisels and stone hammers.

And so when you have granite and an antisite, which the megalithic construction is made of, if you look at the Moes scale of hardness, that's way harder than bronze. And so if you're just looking at this objectively, the Inca could not have been able to craft Andesite or granite stone with softer tools, right? That would be akin to them to me cutting down a tree like with a plastic knife. And so the Inca most likely must have discovered this megalithic architecture ages after it had suffered through some prehistoric cataclysm. Part of what got me down this rabbit hole was, again, I was always fascinated by, you know, ancient history. And I think it was around 2012. I was just, I was looking at, you know, Google images of probably, I was probably searching ancient history.

And I see this, my first ever image, I believe it was in 2012 of this megalithic stonework in Peru, right? It was probably Sox-e-Waman or something. And, you know, without knowing much, I could critically think, why have I never seen this before? Like, this looks far superior than any of this other stuff I've ever seen. why is this not in history books, you know? And so it was so crazy for me to go to Machu Picchu because this is one of the most iconic ancient sites in the world. And, you know, there's usually a few main views you see of this site, you know, with a mountain in the background. But almost all of the photos you'll see of Machu Picchu are, and it's still nice in its own right, but it's the

Inka construction, you know, which is its small, rough stone and it's clay mortar. But as Brian would point out, the core of Machu Picchu is this incredible. incredible megalithic white granite architecture that is when you're standing there, it is, it stands out night and day. Like you're walking to into Machu Picchu and you see all the ink of stonework and it's, it's small, it's rough, it's, you know, it's got mortar. But then you see this white granite, which is to me clearly predated the rest and was the original site. And Machu Picchu is known as the ancient mountain. That's what Machu Picchu basically means. And so again, this is super high up in the Andes. And there's this one piece in Machu Picchu. It's, I think it's right under what they call the Temple of the Sun,

which is again, an Inca word. But I call it the secret chamber. And unfortunately, it's closed off to the public now, or at least when I visited. But you look under this, and I've got videos of this somewhere on our Instagram and website. But it's just, again, it's the craziest looking knobs. And trapezoidal cutouts, and it looks like it's a secret little temple under the temple of the sun. And again, you can't go in there. You can't walk around. It's roped off. But it almost looks like there's a possible entrance back there that goes further in.

But again, it's another crazy example of clearly two different kinds of architecture, right? One that is way superior and probably thousands of years older than the other. And what do you think about some of the ancient alien theories when people kind of bring in, you know, aliens did it all. I mean, what do you say to that? I mean, how do you guys respond to these things? Because that seems to be like a movement that's growing. More and more people are, more and more people are, they're unsatisfied with academia and their explanation. So they're moving into these, well, aliens came down and they built them and they're coming back soon.

What do you guys say to that? That's not that there aren't tenable ideas that come out of the sort of ancient. ancient aliens approach to all of this. One of the problems that I have is that a lot of it seems to be predicated on the work of people like Eric von Doniken and Zacharias Sitchin. And this has nothing to do with degrees after somebody's name. It has to do with competency. It seems like a lot of the people are so far out of their depth.

They don't have the proper training to make conclusions. And again, this is, I'm not lambasting. avocational scholars because we could make a whole show about the debt of gratitude that we owe to avocational scholars. I work with them all, or I have worked with them abundantly in the field, people that just do archaeology as an avocation. But one simple point can illustrate how easy it is for people to get out of their depth, and that is in Zacharias Sitchin's material, which, don't get me wrong, the guy's a fantastic reader. But he's always claiming to be an expert on

Samarian and Akkadian documents. He never would produce any proof of training or credentials, and his work is just rife with all kinds of basic mistakes. I mean, all he would have to do is get a copy of some of these Samarian and Akkadian grammars, and he would know that, for instance, Nibiru isn't referring to a planetoid that circles around every 3,600 years.

Every time that Nibiru is used in Mesopotamian literature, it's a reference to Marduk Star within their astrology. Marduk Star was Jupiter. 95% of the occurrences you can demonstrate that that was the fact. And Sitchin created this entire idea based, not completely unrelated to the work that Eric Vondoniken had done and got a lot of people to jump on the bandwagon. Now, clearly we're dealing, you know, in the case of these measurements, megalist we're talking about here. We're dealing with otherworldly influence. But there's also a way that you can't just jettison the scientific framework that you use to approach it. I think people like Dr. Robert Schock would agree with that because it gets us the more tenable, demonstrable answers that we're looking for. In other words, we can take these deep dives into these sort of mind-blowing questions, you know, that go outside of the academic mainstream. stream, but to completely jettison a rational approach doesn't really get us the answers that are really tenable. Those answers may be more fantastical than the other ones that are pure speculation

that seem to be the lifeblood of a lot of the people that show up on ancient aliens. Von Donican and William Henry is another one who just is completely out of his depth. His reference for approaching ancient languages, and this is a direct quote. from him. I'm not kidding. Are the etymology notes in the Webster's Dictionary? And his reasoning is that if it was good enough for Thomas Jefferson, it's good enough for me.

What do you say to that? You can't use the Webster's Dictionary to translate Acadian or anything else for that matter. And so, what do you say to that? I don't know. I get frustrated with a lot of what comes out of ancient aliens. I do

like the fact that, you know, they produce these great photographs and panoramas of these sites for people to see. But heck, you got people like Derek out there who are doing a better job in bringing that kind of pictorial evidence to you, in my opinion. Yeah, what do you think, Derek? Thanks, Doctor. You know, it's an interesting thing because on one hand, you've got, and again, I don't

want to paint too broad of a brush stroke here, but it seems like you have the majority of Christians who, you know, they believe in pretty crazy stuff. like, right? God spoke to earth into existence and that Jesus was born of a virgin and that a donkey talked, right? Yet, yet they can't, they find it so hard to talk about the Genesis 6 narrative or giants or these kind of things, megalithic structures. And then you've got, you know, you speak of ancient aliens.

it's crazy because you've got them, you watch a lot of their episodes and they're talking about Genesis 6, right? They're talking about giants of the Bible in certain episodes. Probably they're not basing it off the biblical worldview, right? So again, it's just such a weird paradox to me. Like Dr. Judd said, I love the high budget behind ancient aliens as far as producing quality production level videos where you can see these ancient sites. But right, then you get a lot of guess on and it's like, you know, it's the alien narrative, which also seems so broad to me. Yet it's like they're, they can get close at times to a golden age. I think that we would all agree with where the gods mingled with man, right?

And where something happened that created genetic hybrids. and so it's so close yet without the foundation of the Bible it can be so misguided yet again you have the Christians who believe in all this crazy stuff that takes a lot of faith but don't even want to talk about giants or the Nephul name or stuff or don't even get it. I don't think we're just talking about semantics here right? I mean that's kind of how I see it right. If you're coming from a secular worldview, you're talking about the same thing. You're just calling it something different.

Well, it seems like it kind of makes it sound like to me that there are people out there that don't. They almost believe that they can believe in the virgin birth in Jesus, but they can't believe anything else outside of that. Is that kind of what you're saying? But even ancient aliens is talking about the giants, even ancient aliens is talking about the Genesis 6th story, that there's this group of, I don't know, modern-day Christians who subscribe to like a 2% supernatural version of scripture, right? And what this kind of feels like we're tapping into is that, like, it's more like 98%

And we're just scratching the surface of what technology used to exist from these beings that interacted with humanity. Right. I think when you have that 2% way of viewing scripture, you're going to convert a lot of people over to the ancient alien religions because they're like the church is so, it's like a Ferrari going to, you know, two miles an hour. I just can't do it anymore. And a lot of people are trying to, it's almost like you have to get, they're trying to. save the church through this highly rational way of viewing scripture and I think it's killing it faster. That's my thought.

Whereas if you, when you bring in the Genesis 6 story, I think you're going to bring, more people are going to show up because they're like, finally some answers. I don't even think it's Genesis 6, just that. I mean, read what happened after the resurrection. I mean, there's so much that's cherry picked and glossed over. So the dead came out

of their tombs and walked around in Jerusalem. Yeah. How often does that show up in your sermon on Sundays? It's not just Genesis six. Yeah, it's like people pick what they're comfortable i mean makes them feel comfortable and doesn't stretch them outside of their little academic box is what i feel like good you know i was just going to say you know in the case of panace cesare philippa that i did my dissertation on you know it sets at the foot of mount herman and most people ministers that that preach sermons on on that you know when they're

talking about the establishment of the church you know and jesus says the gates of hell will not prevail against it they don't take into account that you know look at where he's at that he's at the foot of mount herman at this shrine to pan who was probably a zazel in his original form and to the to the east of this place you know well you got mount herman right there where the watchers came down first it's it's ground zero for the genesis six experiment to the east you have bishan which at that time was called batania this was augs old kingdom king og the amyreite the giant you had trite the apostate tribe of dan's territory directly to the west and then you had you've got these weird you've got Gilgal

rafain just to the south and then you have you also have the recently rediscovered serpent mound which is proximate to that and so Jesus is he picks this location because it's rife with all with where all of this corruption began you know where all this this stuff happened a cursory glance or reading of that misses that completely until you start to dig deeper into it. But yeah, we become so selectively supernatural with the biblical narrative that it almost,

it's like, you know, you can believe in the virgin birth, you can believe in, you know, Moses parting the Red Sea or whatever. I mean, why is it so far stretched to believe in this strange interaction between fallen angels and humans and then the production of these giants? Yeah, yeah. It shouldn't be. shouldn't be. No, really. I think this is the, the weirder stuff is the better stuff. And like, I listen to a lot of Dr. Michael Heiser. And he says the average seminary graduate gets 60 minutes

of education on demons and angels. 60 minutes. Yep. That's it. That's about right. So, no wonder if so many Christians are confused and people are watching ancient aliens. There's literally, you're reading a supernatural story with like 90% of the characters gutted from the story. How do you reconcile Paul saying that what is unseen is more real than what? Well, I mean, this whole modern threads of theology, they just debate this stuff. Like, well, I don't really like Paul. I've seen people say that stuff. I don't really like Paul's writings.

And I'm like, how can you just, I mean, I get it when it's all, you know, theology. but how can you just delete characters from the story? I don't like Satan. I'm just going to delete it from the story. Do you guys find that a lot with just frustrations with modern day theology when people trying to make sense of the stories? Because if you don't read into the supernatural in the story, you have to kind of delete characters, right?

Like, they don't make any sense. You have to remove them somehow. Well, Paul frustrated me because I'm here to tell you that his Greek is far more intricate than John. or Peters and he made me slam my head against the table more than any of the other New Testament rights. I had a lot of time to work on his Greek in prison, so he was, you know, he was a master. But in a good way?

In a good way. In a good way? Not in a way where it's like, I don't agree with him theological. No, no, no, not at all. Not at all. I was just interjecting a little humor. But I need, I think your point is well taken, though. I think that if you take the supernatural, if you remove that from the biblical

narrative or you just decided to gloss over it. You decide that you're going to just cut that out. Then you're not left with a lot. And I think your whole point is it's really not a mystery then why people turn to the alien theories, to these other theories where they're trying to rationalize away, you know, these things that maybe can't be rationalized away. Well, anyone who goes to Peru and looks at those, you know, megalithic structures has to ask themselves, harder questions than their pastor has ever asked them, right? You have to. So either you have to, either you have to go find a pastor that's willing to talk about this stuff, or you have to completely walk away from your Christian faith, right? Well, and for me, for me, that's been one of

the cooler things about researching, you know, ancient prehistory and these megalithic structures is I use that as the springboard to bring my friends down the rabbit hole. Yeah, sure. These are good guys who they know there's got to be more than they've been led to belief. And, you know, they have a biblical worldview, but they know nothing about megalithic history. They know nothing about Genesis 6 or the Nephilim. And so I found it as simple as showing them some of the crazy megalithic stonework, for example, of Peru. Just explaining, you know, simply how, dude, have you ever considered how this is, the Inca could probably not have made this based on these facts and it gets them thinking.

And then I show them a picture of an elongated skull and they're like, what in the world is that? And then I take them to Genesis 6. Explain how this could really possibly be generations removed of that. And it's always so rewarding when the lights come on literally after a conversation or two like this. and then how their faith is so boosted because it connects so many dots. And they're like, wow, the Bible is actually epic. It's like, this is incredible. There's so much more than I was led to believe.

And to me, that's always so rewarding. So I think that's a great way to bridge that gap with people. And it's always relationally one-on-one. Sure. Is do it like that. Well, Bigfoot was that for me. Like, how does this make sense with everything I've grown up to believe? believe, you know, if this creature's out there and it's, and all these stories are true,

like, what is this thing? You know? And that kind of opened my mind to the giants, which opened my mind up to, oh, the Bible is way more interesting as a whole. See, I think the thing is, it's like, how do we include more of the, more of the story together in one cohesive book versus there's a modern way where it's like, let's just pick a few books and make sense of the book. Bible that way. Whereas the way you guys have been describing, it's like, this is a whole narrative.

Every book of the Bible makes sense in this whole narrative versus this modern way where it's like you kind of kick guys like Paul out. You certainly have to kick Satan out. And it's just kind of like Jesus is, that's all we really have to. We have left. It's like a feel good Tony Robbins, right? He's not. Yeah, he's a life coach. We've turned Jesus under a life coach. Yeah. Because there is no story, you know. No, but I think the point is, I think it's point well taken it's a tapestry right it's like it's like all of a sudden you see things in 3d it's you know the old testament's a lot more like we always say it's a lot it's a lot more like narnia and middle earth than it is like anything we really have any context for and i think that's kind of what

what that's what jud was getting at too saying like unless you understand the context of of of the scenery and the imagery and the time and and the location and the time and the location of what's going on this made sense to to a first century Jewish person but if you don't get that there's no context to it right and I think that's what's great

about megaliths too and we go down we come full circle here with what I think the work that Derek's doing so is so important is these are some of the biggest you can touch,

feel, look at pieces of evidence that still exist across the eons of time that say man this is a story that you know isn't the real story The story you've been told isn't the real story

And who you can touch and you can feel And you can look at it and you can't put a hair between that Or this doesn't make sense This isn't a tomb Or you know You live in Egypt And you go touch this thing And tell me it doesn't feel

It doesn't make you feel here Or there's no extension cord That can make it up this mountain Yeah Right Exactly Yeah and I love that You know what's funny Luke

Because it reminds me that 80s movie The Gods Must Be crazy Remember when like The Coke bottle falls down and then they do this is we have to have an 80s reference man this is we have to talk to the little people at least once and a one-off I got to make fun of you and then we have to talk about the 80s uh and it's funny because I also just as a side when I see judd down here in the corner of my if I just look at it in my peripheral looks like Judd's got this like

flowing Jesus hair but it's really just a hood but if I look at it real quick it's like man jud's got some just world-class lettuce but it's just a hood so jud is the Jedi in this uh in this conversation. For those listening, if you could just see the Zoom chat right now, he's got his hood up. I guess I am sort of, I guess I do sort of have the, like I said, Jedi and exile thing going on here. Paul? Paul and I, he's there we go. Everything's making sense. Here's my last question for you guys. Do you feel like we kind of talked about this a little bit with our Doug Van Doren episode. He's a good guy. He's just got us thinking about some things. But he said that in the last 10 to 15 years, more and more people are asking him about giants versus the rest of his life being a pastor. Do you guys see,

do you guys see this as there's just more information coming out or there's like a great awakening happening or something is, this knowledge is supposed to come out right now and people are talking about it more than ever? I think that we may be on the cusp of a kind of great awakening. You know, I don't want to wax eschatological, but we are sort of on a prophetic clock. You know, one of the things that sort of busted the door open for this particular view on the ancient world and the prehistoric world was the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls. It's not like we didn't have copies of Enoch before, but we didn't have them from, I think the earliest copies of Enoch we had were actually Ethiopic, R.H. Charles translation that's so popular. I think was

originally taken from the Ethiopic. But what was interesting about the Dead Sea Scrolls was its timing, you know, when they were discovered in 1947, you know, Israel becomes a nation, that same time frame. You've got on the other side of the world, you've got weird stuff like the Roswell incident, the Jack Parsons, Babylon workings. It was a time of change of perspective for sure, and we're sort of coming to terms of that, but about the Dead Sea Scrolls material, you know, we get a lot of, we get the Jewish confirmation on Enoch's validity, not necessarily canonistic.

but certainly validity. And then you got all this other stuff like the Genesis Apocryphon, Jubilees and Jasher, also, you know, in a whole other cash documents that the Essines wrote that talk about this world. So, yeah, I think we are, at the very least, poised for Great Awakening. And I've kind of been saying that for the last couple of years. My short answer to that would be yes. Awesome.

Yeah, it's funny because I tag you in a lot of our photos, Derek, and I didn't even know. we were posting some of this stuff. I had no idea that, you know, we would share this, a similar belief system and kind of discovering all this stuff with the same beliefs of the Bible and what we're trying to do. And it's kind of cool to have you on the show today. I think it's really cool, Nate. Not just kind of cool, but that's really cool. I'm glad to have, whether to have you, Derek.

No, I mean, it's kind of cool in the sense that, like, it's like something else is sort of making these conversations come together. And I felt like, you know, you reached out to me and I had no, I just didn't know. Because a lot of these megalithic accounts, you know, you just don't know the person behind it. And you don't know if you share the same ideas. And you don't know if you're pushing the same agendas. And obviously, you know, Luke and I are trying to talk about the giants and stuff. So it was just kind of a, it's a cool coincidence that maybe not a coincidence.

That's what I'm saying. Very cool, guys. No, it's been fun to connect with you and follow your podcast and now be on it. And I've been a fan of Dr. Judd. So this has been a lot of fun. So I'm just glad to be part. part? Yeah, for me too. Me too. So maybe guys throughout your websites and how people can find you guys again and any last

thoughts you have and any Jedi wisdom. I see it brewing in Judd's eyes there. Same as always, burton beyond.com. The Institute of Biblical Anthropology, T-I-O-B-A.org. People can follow me on Facebook, Twitter. I've got a YouTube channel and I put content up on pretty regularly. I'm also offering a new certification through the Institute. And this is kind of in line or certainly the overarching topic of the show. It's called the certification in preternatural morphology. And that's a fancy way of saying we're studying how demons manifest as monsters. So vampires, werewolves, chimera, revenants. I knew that Jedi wisdom was in there. But it's on sale this week for

175 bucks if people are interested. I've already picked up three students this week. There you go. Plenty of room left. You can find our blog at megalithic marvels.com. Probably most of the actions over on Instagram. So if you're on Instagram, you can just search for Megalithic Marbles and lots of photos there. That's kind of a visual, visual platform. And starting to post some new videos on there, which has been exciting. So some interviews and every once in a while, I'll put together a kind of a megalith. Marvel's film. So we got a new one coming up here, hopefully by the weekend, which is going to be exciting about kind of an obscure megalithic site in Crimea. So if you're on Instagram, check us out there.

But like Dr. Judd said, we're also on YouTube. You can find us there, Twitter, Facebook, all that fun stuff. So cool. Well, thanks guys so much. I mean, it's a huge topic, you know, talking about pyramids and megaliths and we could probably do a thousand podcast episodes and still have stuff to talk about. So I I appreciate you guys coming on and dropping some of those stories and trues on us, helping us piece together the story of the giants that we talked so much about on our show. I appreciate guys giving some context to maybe who built these things and where they came from. We're big fans. Big fans of both of your guys to work.

Yeah. Thank you. My pleasure. Stay warm down there, Judd. Yeah. I have my Jedi robes. I love it. I actually thought I missed a memo when I jumped on Zoom because all of you were in, uh, had your heads covered. Yeah. Right. So I actually, actually grabbed a hat and threw it on real quick.

Oh, it's just, it's biblical. We've got to cover our heads before we, yeah. It's very biblical. We're just trying to, we're trying to go by the, you know, we're old testament here. Tempt the watchers, Luke. It's nerdy apocrypha jokes or whatever. I don't know what do you call those. Yeah. Apocrypha jokes. Yeah, that's a pretty, yeah. I love it. There's something that that needs to go on a t-shirt right there, coffee book. Just get Dr. Meem on that. Dr. Meem. Yeah, I'm not a doctorate anything, but you guys are great. Thanks for coming on. And we'll let you know when it goes live. Yeah.

Hey, thanks, guys. It was fun. Thanks so much. Yeah. See you guys. Have a good one. Bye. Godspeed. Later.