Blurry Creatures - EP: 264 Atomic Contact with Robert Salas

Episode Date: September 4, 2024

In this eye-opening episode, we delve into the chilling accounts of Robert Salas, a former U.S. Air Force officer, who witnessed something extraordinary during the 1960s. Salas recounts the day when unidentified flying objects (UFOs) seemingly interfered with the operations at his nuclear missile base, leading to the unexplainable shutdown of multiple missiles. We explore this and other documented instances where UFOs have reportedly disrupted nuclear facilities, sparking questions about the connection between these mysterious crafts and our most powerful weapons. Join us as we unravel these incidents and consider the implications they hold for national security and our understanding of the unknown. COSTA RICA TICKETS! blurrycreatures.com/members You can get our book of Enoch here: https://amzn.to/3xriiUB Support the show! www.blurrycreatures.com/members Socials instagram.com/blurrycreatures facebook.com/blurrycreatures twitter.com/blurrycreatures Music Kyle Monroe: tinytaperoom.com & Parker Mogensen Outro Song: On the Run by TimeCop1983 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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It's calmed him down, finally. And he said, sir, there's glowing red-orange object hovering right above the front gate. It's bright light. I can't make much out of it except it's a bright orange light. It seems to be pulsating. I've got all the guards out here. what do we do next? And again, this is just astounding report, but I knew it was real because intensity of his voice and fear in his voice wake up my commander just waking up from his

rest break. And I started to tell him about the phone calls from upstairs and all of a sudden we hear this loud horn go off. I both know what that meant. We look over at the board and sure enough one of the missiles had gone down. The history of our earth, is so different from what we can imagine. Joy to join. The Smithsonian, if they found out about a large skeleton somewhere, was to go get it. I'm going to assume at least one person is right,

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and you want to do an episode with somebody and it just takes a while. And this episode, I think, was one of those episodes took us a while, a lot of messages, a lot of emails. It's hard to track down that generation. But we have Robert Salas, who was a captain, the Air Force, and he was on base 60 feet underground

when UFOs hover above the surface and the story gets wild and it's really good to have him come on the show. I know that these stories, these original kind of some of the golden age UFO stories, you know, these guys are getting, they're aging up in years and some of them are going to be lost forever. So really excited to have him on the podcast talking about the connection between UFOs and nuclear missiles. Yeah. And this is, Bob's been a lot of places that you, you, a number of documentaries and shows telling his very unique story, but this is one piece of the puzzle, I think, in trying to suss out what's going on with UAPs and UFOs.

Of course, you know, he's an ex-military guy who put to be stations, you know, on a nuclear base and had this crazy incident happen. That was, it covered up and hushed for a long time. And now he's been at liberty to talk about this. since the late 90s. And this is the story that I think is just like I said, it's another piece. So it's always a pleasure to talk

to folks from Bob's generation that have just really seen some stuff. And he lived through the Cold War. He was post-World War II Air Force and really lived through some really crazy and scary times in the world as the United States and Russia built up their nuclear arsenals.

And then odd things began to happen. at installations across all over the world. Yeah, we're excited about this one, and it's because you guys out there listening to the show, sharing the show, texting around that we can even interview these people. It's great. Thank you so much for supporting a podcast. If you want to become a member,

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Welcome, welcome back to Blurry Creatures. We got a fun episode. Robert, this one's welcome to the podcast. Thanks for coming on our show. You know, you have an amazing story and one that I've been, for a while. I've seen you on many of these shows talking about it. I'm glad that you were finally able to track you down and have you come on our podcast. We talk about all the blurry creatures out there in our world, whether that's Bigfoot Ali.

UFOs and all the weird rumblings of creatures that existed in ancient history. We talk about it here on our podcast. But you have a one-of-a-kind story, a UFO incident, you know, as a captain. In March of 1967, you know, you had this nuclear, 16 nuclear missiles that became non-operational. And then the guards out front saw these UFOs. And the story is fascinating. And we've heard many times over the years on our show that this craft is involved with nuclear seen at nuclear sites, turning off missiles, and it's a rare opportunity to actually interview someone

who was there on the scene. So thank you for coming on our podcast. And we always ask every guest, no matter who they are, to kick off the show. What are your thoughts on Bigfoot? Thank you for your service, and thank you for coming on our show. I think there's something too, Bigfoot. In 1980, I was contacted by someone in Montana, actually. whose husband worked with the sheriff's department. And she wrote me a long letter, told me about incidents where she would receive reports from some of them were airmen near the base there at Great Falls. But there were other civilians, too, who had seen Bigfoot.

As it turns out, I later found out, and she told me that the sheriff had a contract with the Department of Agriculture. to investigate the problem with cattle mutilations that they were having there in the 70s. As part of that, they would interview people who had seen objects in the sky just before these mutilations occurred. And some of them talked about seeing this big, hairy creature. And so they would interview these people

and give them a lie detector test. And those that passed the lie detector test, they would bring her in because she was a sketch artist, and she would sketch what they saw as far as this big hairy creature goes. So this was a big, big foot type creature, very large, lots of hair. And of course, they had some footprints that they looked at. At any rate, she invited me up there and we talked. By then her husband was dead, and so I couldn't talk to him.

But she was very convincing. She actually sketched from her recollection what the creature looked like. later on a couple years later i think i traveled to argentina to give a talk there one of the people that spoke also had seen a bigfoot creature uh and he drew me a sketch i compared the two and a they were very similar so i think there's something to this yeah bob that's amazing do they call you because there was a UFO like activity associated with this event or was it just that They thought you'd be a good person. Yeah.

Yeah, there was UFO activity associated with this. And then they had, you know, my story was out there and has been out there in Montana for some time, of course. Yeah, that's why they contact. Yeah, it's wild how many people have a Bigfoot story. And that's one thing we've learned over the last four years is that people will come on the show and they'll have some sort of story about either someone they knew or has seen this creature.

We actually interviewed another Air Force gentleman came on the, talked about, UFO incident who had Bigfoot on the base on the runway and they in the middle of the night and he's wild they couldn't figure out how he got on the runway because of the security around the it was mind-boggling how he got there but that was that was a wild story according to her they there were quite a few sightings of Bigfoot uh she didn't give me a number but you know people had seen this Bigfoot creature uh either before or after these cattle or mutil incidents. Interesting.

And, of course, they'd seen the objects, too, the UFOs. There could be a relationship there. I just don't know. They're just dropping off the Bigfoot and taking off. And what? Well, I appreciate that, you know, going into the detail. I mean, we would love to hear your story at the beginning of this. I'm sure we can take up most of the time talking about this nuclear missile event that

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control center or launch control facility. The center is where we had our location of our capsule. We had six guards protecting this facility. It was surrounded by a barbed wire at a large gate. So I was

on duty with a man called Colonel Fred Milo. He was my commander. So we had a two-man team. We relieved the crew. And because we were down there for 24 hours till we were relieved by another crew. We had a little caught down there.

We'd take little rest breaks from time to time. And sometime in the evening, I was on duty in control of the capsule, the facility. And so we had a main guard upstairs who we would communicate with.

By the way, they had no ability to manipulate or affect our weapon system. them. We were in control of 10 nuclear missiles, Minuteman 1 at the time, and these missiles were dispersed in kind of a circular area about a mile or two away from this main underground capsule. We were 60 feet underground, locked in with a huge door, but of course we could not open that door without going through some very extensive security procedures to be relieved or to receive our or dinner, which would come down.

Anyway, sometime of the evening I get a call from this guard. We call him the flight security controller. And he said, sir, we've been seeing strange lights flying above us. They're not airplanes. They're flying seemingly very fast, stopping in mid-air, reversing course. There's no engine noise. They're making odd maneuvers like 90-degree turns. And we don't know what to make of it, except I just need to report it because they're flying

over the site. I didn't know how to respond to that. Caught me by surprise. I even said, you mean like UFOs? And the reason I said that is because we had reports of UFOs in the city of Great Falls in the newspaper, local newspaper, Great Falls Tribune. And I've got copies of a lot of these reports, reports made by farmers and citizens that saw these strange lights in the sky. But at any rate, I was not a fan or aficionado of UFOs at the time. I had no real interest in them.

But he said, these are not airplanes. And I said, okay, well, the area is secure and said yes. All right, let me know if anything happens. You can't go to the surface, right? You can't go up there and... Couldn't go up there and take a look, no. Yeah. For security reasons, obviously.

I opened the door and it was some sort of attack by unknown people. We would be subjecting our missiles to takeover. We had very strict secure procedures not to open those doors. That door. Anyway, we hung up the phone and it wasn't very long. I'd say five minutes or so later, he calls back, and this time he's very frightened. He was held by the sound of his voice.

He was shouting into the phone. babbling, really, I couldn't make my sense of what he was saying. It's calmed him down finally. And he said, sir, there's a glowing red-orange object hovering right above the front gate. It's a bright light. I can't make much out of it except it's a bright orange light. It seems to be pulsating. I've got all the guards out here. What do we do next? And again, this is just astounding. but I knew it was real because of intensity of his voice and fear in his voice. And so I said something like, well, just make sure this facility is secure and do whatever you have to to ensure that.

I couldn't take it much more to say at that point because he was, again, very frightened. Now, this felt like it was we were under some sort of an attack. It just felt like it. And he said, I've got to go, sir, one of the guards got injured, he hung up the phone. And the first thing I did is I looked over at our board. We had a status board, which showed the status of the missiles. And they were all green at this time, green meaning operational. I went over to wake up my commander and just waking up from his rest break.

And I started to tell him about the phone calls from upstairs, and all of a sudden we hear this loud horn go off. And I both know what that meant. We look over at the board and, sure enough, one of the missiles had gone down. By down, I mean, it went from operational status or green light to a red light, which was a no-go status. It couldn't be used. It was down, disabled. So we get up and, of course, go through our checklist.

We had a checklist for the situation. I mean, had you ever had a missile go down before that? I think I had one, well, during my, I was there for three years, so I was a later had my own crew, and during that time, I remember one time when a missile went down for some reason, probably our loss, but that's the only time. I've never had any situation where multiple missiles went down, other than that one. So anyway, we had also two of the facilities or launch facilities, we call these, Launch facilities where the missiles were actually located, like I said, about a mile or two away, had incursion lights, which means a possibility that something or someone was trying to get into those facilities.

So I had to call upstairs. Of course, I asked him about this object covering above us, and the guards said it had just flown off. So it was there when these missiles went down. my commander called Wing Command Post back at Great Falls where the base was. We were about 100 miles east of the base, our location. And after that call, he turns to me and says, the same thing happened at another flight.

At that time, I think I probably thought, I thought that this was that evening. The same thing happened. But I think what you meant to say was the same thing had happened before. at another slide where an object had disabled 10 missiles. So we went through all our procedures and basically waited for the maintenance teams to go out there. We did check our, we had a way of checking the cause of shutdowns. And that indication, which was a voice activated thing, stated guidance and control system failure, all 10.

So I had the same message on each of those 10 messages, guidance and control system failure. So the next day we were relieved, I went upstairs, talked to that guard again. He was reluctant to talk to me. I think he had been given orders not to speak about it with me again. But finally I got him to go over what he saw. And basically it was what he had told me, it was pulsating red-orange light. very large. He said it was about 50 feet long or diameter. Normally, he said he could detect something inside the light,

but that looked like an oval shape, but he couldn't give me any more than that. Then we were picked up by a helicopter and flown back to the base and had to report to our squad of commander's office. We walked in there expecting they wanted a full report from us, but in there were two men, my squadron commander, Colonel George Eldridge and it was an old World War II B-17 pilot, and he was one as a sheet. First thing I asked him was, was this some kind of an Air Force exercise? He said, absolutely not.

But the other guy with him was from AFOSI Air Force Office at Special Investigations. He introduced himself as that and handed us a piece of paper, which was a non-disclosure agreement. We were never to speak about this to anyone again. signed here on the dotted line and basically ordered to do that. We did not receive a copy of it. But what we signed was a description of what occurred the night before. And we both signed it and couldn't speak to anyone again, ever. And that was about it.

They didn't even want to go into any of our commentary about what happened. And again, it was probably because they had been, well, there was a couple of reasons. One is they had been through the echo flight, which was the one that went down previously, and I can talk about that too. And the other reason was they wanted to hush this whole thing up, keep it quiet, because there was an ongoing study called the Condon investigation, and they wanted to keep the whole thing quiet. That was that. So fast forward, 27 years later, 1994, I was in Seattle changing my career again. become a high school math teacher and it's the University of Washington bookstore and happened to see a book called Above Top Secret by Timothy Good. And I just happened to open the book up to page 301.

If any of your audience has that book, they can do the same. And on that page was a short paragraph describing something similar to what I just told you. And actually they talked about 1966 and 67. I don't know where he got the 66. But anyway, I thought, my God, maybe the Air Force declassified this. I was pretty excited because I've been holding this to myself all those years, 27 years. So I was kind of excited, so excited that I went home and told my wife about it for the first time. Wow. And one of her friends I knew about Mufon and suggested, I contact Mufon to get an investigator to help me with some frame of information act request, which I did. That was James Klotz, great guy, great investigator for Mufon.

And we wrote to the Air Force. I said, don't say anything about UFOs. Just ask about this report in this book where 10 missiles were shut down during a UFO sighting and see what we can get. And sure enough, the Air Force wrote back and said, this is classified however since there's been a 12-year, I think, time lapse. We're going to go ahead and declassify this incident and send you documents that we have. So that's what they did. But that was the echo flight incident. It wasn't, and I thought it was my incident because it described in some detail what I had recalled at the time.

And again, you've got to understand that after 27 years, you forget a lot of details. You know, life happens over 27 years. Yeah, you've got to teach some kids how to do math and you're thinking about UFOs. And I didn't remember exactly where I was, you know, at that time. I didn't remember the name of my commander at that time. A lot of things that, you know, I just didn't remember. But the overall occurrence of the incident was certainly something I recall. So I thought it was my incident and I went public.

I started talking about it. Even, you know, representing myself as the in the capsule in command at the time, the echo flight incident went down. And like I said, I had to do a lot of legwork to find. my commander at the time and find out his name. I didn't even know his name. Finally located him in 1996 and he told me, you know, we were not at Echo Flight. We were at Oscar Flight. By the way, they all look the same. All the facilities are just cookie cutter, same thing. It's just that there are different locations. And what is it like being in a 60 feet underground working on a nuclear site

during the Cold War and realizing that you're, I'm just from like a really just sort of basic question start at the beginning and realizing that you have, there may or may not be this nuclear event that everyone kind of expected between the U.S. and Russia and you're sort of ground zero, if you will, because you guys are pushing the button if something happens. Is that just a, before this UFO thing even happens, is it, what's that like to be there and sort of be in this space?

I'm sure your reason they're underground so far too is that these are, you are, for all intents and purposes, also a target site. if a nuclear event is meant to happen between Russia and the United States. Is it, was this wild to be sort of be on site? What was that like? What was our duty? That's the way we looked at it. Yeah, we thought about, you know, what if we really did have to launch these weapons?

So we'd be in, you know, World War III scenario where we're firing huge, huge nuclear bombs at each other. we didn't really think about that it was simply doing our duty as military people if you talk to other military people I think they'll tell you the same thing I mean yeah we're talking about very serious stuff but it's something we're obliged to do as our duty yeah that's I think that's a lot of the same you know a lot of answers you hear from vets and stuff is like you just you have a job and you do you're doing your job right does the guys ever think I mean, you guys thought you were under attack, right? Isn't that the initial response that if these things are in your airspace, that's not you guys,

it's not U.S., you know, then are you under attack? Is it Russia? I felt that we were under some sort of an attack when I got that second call. It felt that way. And so that's the way we were reacting as though, you know, there's a possibility. There's terrorist group up there that's doing something that we don't understand. but we were pretty well secure, like I said. We were 60 feet underground encased inside of a concrete steel capsule.

So in this huge door, I don't know if you've ever seen it what it looks like, but it's absolutely huge. So we felt fairly safe, but we were concerned, of course, about people upstairs and what was going on. Yeah. Do you feel like looking back on this and having all this time? to think about it. Do you think the good guys, you think the good guys or the bad guys showed of that night? What do you, what do you think that, which team were they, were they trying to shut these down for good reasons or nefarious reasons? Yeah, well, at the time, like I said, I felt like we were under attack, but after I went public and started receiving reports and

thinking about this and actually contacting the crew from Echo Flight, and that, That incident happened on March 16th, eight days earlier. Very similar incident. However, in that case, the UFOs were over the launch facilities. They had maintenance guard of people out there and security guards who saw the objects hovering above the missiles themselves and disabling all ten of their missiles within seconds. So after knowing that and then later doing more research, finding out how many times these objects have been seen over nuclear missile sites,

I'm convinced the reason they shut me down, my missiles, was to send a message. And the message is pretty simple, you know, no words are necessary, you know, just get rid of your nuclear weapons. This is ridiculous. And it is ridiculous. It still is. that we have, these weapons that we had were 800 kiloton bombs. To give you a reference, the atomic bombs that were used at Hiroshima and Algasaki were about 15 to 20 kilotons, equivalent TNT.

And that wiped out 100,000 people at a shot. So you can imagine what an 800 kiloton weapon we do. And of course, we've got megaton weapons, which are million plus tons of TN. and Russia has about upwards to 10,000, and we have upwards of 10,000 operational right now that can use at any time. Bob, what did you, did you have any thoughts? Maybe you said this earlier, maybe, but did you have any thoughts about UFOs in particular or whatever before this incident?

Like I said, I didn't even think about UFOs before the incident happened, so I had no thought about it. But, of course, after the incident, yeah, of course, I was interested. When do you think, like, our military learned about UFOs? Well, I know David Gresh talked about the 1930s crash that actually happened in 1933, Magenta, Italy, where there was a recovery of a craft. Mussolini set up a whole group to study it. A lot more details come out on that.

in a book by Robert Roberto Pinotti. I just talked to him recently in Italy. He's written a book about that crash and goes into quite a bit of detail. So he's researched it. Then, in 1942, we had the Battle of L.A. siding, which was an object over Los Angeles. Of course, many people saw it,

and they fired artillery at it. They set up planes to fire at it. It had no effect. It lasted for hours. And finally just flew off over the Pacific. But, of course, this was right at the start of World War II. So I'm sure the government took a big interest in it then. And certainly by Roswell in 47, the Air Force, well, they had had the foo fighters during World War II.

Also, many sightings, many pilot reports. So pick a time, you know, when our government was seriously interested. interested in these things. Yeah, it had been going on a while. You'd have sort of putting the pieces together. That's just what we know about, right? There's probably other incidents that never made the nightly news, so to speak. So from your story, just to understand the details, you guys are at, like, missile command,

and then the actual nukes are about a mile away from you. And you said they came over you, turned off the nukes, and then they went to the actual missiles and then we're doing something else? Yes. We had indications of possible incursion to the sites. So this was after they shut down all the nukes. Yeah, we had to send guards out to those two sites where we had incursion lights. And when they got there, they saw objects again hovering above the launch facilities. But by then, like I said, all the missiles had gone down.

Now, what they would have had to do, and of course, I would, well, we did get a report from the Air Force, and this was kind of a preliminary investigation where Boeing had done a bench test on some of the equipment of the navigational system. One piece of equipment is called the logic coupler. Think of it as kind of an onboard computer. They pulled that part out and did a bench test, and were able to send a signal to momentarily interrupt its function. So this, these UFOs and his object that hovered above our facility, was able to penetrate 60 feet of earthen concrete, penetrate triply shielded cables, which were about eight or nine inches in diameter, triply shielded from EMI, and send a signal to a particular piece of equipment. but in order to shut down the guidance and control system. At the time, we didn't have GPS, obviously.

So this was an inertial guidance system, meaning that after launch, the missile would have to calculate its speed direction, orientation, et cetera, to be on target. It had to recalculate many times in flight. So we had things like accelerometers, gyroscopes, things like that, on the mission. This is, it's baffling, honestly, to get a signal through.

Getting this baffling. I mean, through all that, all that earth, just number one. Yeah. All the dirt above you guys is a whole thing. Yeah, these cables came up underneath the capsule and to each of the sides separately, which were separated, of course, but I had about a mile away. So it was quite a, quite a feat to do that. But the report that the Air Force initially did, this was a preliminary. report stated that there was nothing internally wrong with the system that external signals resulted

in the shutdowns. So they actually confirmed they didn't. Right. It was no glitch within. It was something outside that caused it. So they didn't permanently alter the nukes? Like they were working again the next day or? I wanted to make that point too.

there was no damage to the missiles or our equipment. We never lost power. It was not a power failure, but there was no damage done. So when you say, well, these are good guys and bad guys, well, they sent us a message without really destroying anything. It wasn't like War of the World's thing. Which makes your idea that they are sending a message. I can see why you've come to that conclusion.

because yeah, it's like, hey, we have the ability to do this. We can send a beam down and flip one switch, one particular switch through all your security systems, and we're going to do it. And it's not going to ruin any of your stuff. We have respect enough for you to not really piss you off, but we're also going to flip it off just to show you. And it's like, it's, it is kind of an incredible experience. You can imagine being, well, why don't they just remove us from the equation? Why are they being sort of nice to us? Like obviously we are creating these things that can rip holes and demand.

Who knows what nukes do to their technology and their space and beyond just our three dimensions? Who knows what happens when we shoot these things off or explode these things? But it's an interesting kind of philosophical conversation there. Well, in 2019, I gave a press conference and about, the UFO's nuclear connection. And the first witness I showed, it was on videotape, was a man who was a Navy pilot stationed. Forget the name of the base, but it was right across the Columbia River from Hadford Nuclear Facility.

And this was 1944 before the first atomic bomb blast, even before the first test. And they had radar at that facility. this was a little naval base that had these pursuit fighters there. And they were launched, in other words, they were told to go up and intercept these lights

that were flying over Hanford at the time. And these were objects, UFOs, that were flying over the facility. Now, the Hanford facility produced the first plutonium. So they knew it was going on. They knew what was going on.

They knew what was going on. even before the first atomic bomb blast. Wow. I guess that was my point. They somehow know what the heck we're doing in great detail. Bob, like when, you know, you talked about Echo and Oscar being two specific different events and you find out that they're not talking with the same thing and then you went through that. You know, as you kind of as things have come out, right?

Because the NDA goes away, Freedom of Information Act, the government declassifies these things. Are you hearing about this? Was this more of a common incident than you suspected? I mean, does this happen more than just the Echo Oscar incidents? Is this kind of like a pattern for UFO activity over nuclear bases? Absolutely. In my second book that I wrote, I listed about 13 incidents worldwide where UFOs were related to UFO incidents at nuclear bases. Crazy.

But the same thing has happened even at Malmstrom fairly recently. I got a report about 2018, well, the report I got maybe a year ago. It happened in 2018 again at Malmstrom. In 1975, we have a report from the NORADC, correct? Norad North American Air Defense Command issued a report where UFOs were seen over the missile sites at Malmstrom, you know, the Malmstrom missile field in 1975. Wow. These things have been going on for some time and multiple places worldwide, including Russia.

And I think the thing that's amazing is that all these officers are not even telling their wives, which I think is incredible conviction. Well, I didn't want to spend 30 the rest of my life in Leavenworth. Yeah, seriously, right. But still, I mean, you know, you imagine just thinking, like, if you're going to tell anybody, it's probably who you're going to tell her. But you still don't tell her. No, I couldn't. I couldn't. My wife likes to talk. It seems like a common, it seems like something that's a common thread. Yeah.

And Luke, the UFOs know when you stole your brother's lunch in 1988. They know you did that. They did. They did. They said they did. They saw a lot of things. I have to think it's, Bob, for you, it's probably a little. little, it's got to be interesting, maybe even a while for you, you know, because you have this incident in 1967. I'm just curious, like, your thoughts, you know, in, in this last year, of course, the, you know, for the first time, really, we had whistleblowers. You mentioned David Grush before, along with a few other folks that came forward with protections and testified before Congress under the House Oversight Committee on UAPs. Of course, they, you know, it feels like a little bit of cloak and dagger change and it's from you know from ufo to uap there's stigma there but like what

are your thoughts as you is this is this is happening and really becoming much more of it seems much more of a mainstream in public discourse as opposed to you know i mean especially in then it was you know UFO stuff was was like you tell you it was war of the worlds it was like this you know it was this sort of hollywood thing and if you if you didn't have an experience like yourself i bet people you didn't really want to talk about it anyway because people probably thought it was wacky and I think they did up until maybe some people still do but up until the point of this is now

our government is holding public meetings about the phenomena what are your thoughts as you kind of sit through this through the years of this and then see you know see this become a topic for Congress now encouraging I guess is the word that comes to mind I'm encouraged

I'm hopeful more and more will come out we will have more whistleblowers come forward in fact I've heard that there will be another open public hearing on UFOs or UAP this year in the September October timeframe. And this comes from Representative Luna of Florida. She has made this statement. And so that should be interesting.

I'm going to try to be there. If not as a witness, I hope I'm a witness. I will try to be there in the audience when that happens. So I have very hopeful. We'll learn more. however, there is a very well-organized, well-funded secret organization within our government and other governments in the country in the world that are dedicated to holding these secrets and we'll do almost anything to keep these secrets. So we're fighting a big force, this

cabal that I call a UFO secrecy cabal, is, forced to be reckoned with. They are very potent, very connected, very strong. Now, they have their own reasons. It might be a power thing. It might be monetary reasons, but they're committed to keeping these secrets. So we've got a real battle on our hands to try to get disclosure. And you can see that from the very weak response we're getting from groups like Arrow, non-cooperation from other government agencies, et cetera. Do you think before we started messing around with nuclear? I mean, obviously there was more interactions with human beings and military with UFOs when

we started making nuclear devices. There are some reports that this was happening before. There's some historical accounts. But it seems as though when we started making nuclear devices that they started getting way more interactive with us, is that how you see it? Yeah, exactly. I think that's correct. They've been around for centuries, maybe even longer than that.

As far as the nuclear thing is a serious concern, I think, if I'm going to speculate, a serious concern to the ETs because I think they look at our planet and every living thing on it is very precious, let's say, maybe in the universe, or maybe in this galaxy, I don't know. And they may have been involved in seeding life here for all we know. But we do know we've been visited probably by many different groups of these ETs, and they're very concerned about our progress, our survival, I think. They've got some kind of an agenda for us. I don't know what it is.

We do know that they've got a hybridization program going on from other reports, experiences. They are producing hybrids. of them and us. For what reason we don't know. But they are certainly here, they're certainly interested in us, and I think overall, and there may be some groups not so much, but overall, I think they would like to see us evolve into a better species. There's a lot of wild thoughts that they kind of arise of when you start to consider the stories and put together the narrative. Interesting. Yeah, just the idea that the interaction here, especially in your case, Bob, is to turn off, you know, a nuclear weapon.

I think Nate's question is really interesting. It's hard to know, but it does seem like activity since the bomb, the advent of the bomb, has kicked up. But I also know that we're flying a lot more than we used to. And, you know, at that point, right? I mean, like, aerial warfare really began in World War II. So you don't have a, you have got, you've got a lot more opportunities, potentially. but it is very interesting that like this, you know,

the ability for humanity to destroy the earth via a weapon didn't exist until, you know, until the Manhattan Project. And then was really, really put on steroids, if you will, because you talk about sort of the, the uptick in abilities of the warheads, you know, from Hiroshima to your time. And then from that time in 67 to now is even,

even crazier. We hold the key to, you know, to weapons that could destroy the Earth many times over, many, many times over, right? So there is something very interesting there with, like, the message in there of turn it off, but also, like, from more of an overall, an overarching sort of aspect, like, you know, what is that message, right? Not only can we get to you and turn these things off, but the interest in and of itself in these world-ending weapons.

As Nate said, good guys, bad guys, is what is the intent? I mean, we're not going to really know until we have that, you know, the disclosure, that always the idiom is the White House lawn, right? We have the UFO around the White House lawn, and Alcom's valiant Thor introduces himself once again, right? Or whatever it is.

But until then, we can only really speculate. But it is interesting messaging. Well, they might have a different kind of moral system where they have a gentleman's, we don't do these things. You know, there's a code of ethics that they follow that we don't, you know? Well, yeah, a couple of things come to mind. What is, you know, we use lab rats all the time to do experiments, right? We never explain to the lab rats exactly what we're doing or why we're doing.

So that may be the situation here. ET probably doesn't feel they have to explain things to us other than show us in clear ways, a message they want to convey to us. The other thing is one of the reasons these secrets are being held by our government, especially DOD, is that nuclear weapons are the basis of our national security. And this has been said over and over in these so-called nuclear posture reviews that the DOD does every couple of years. They explain to the world, the importance of nuclear deterrence or the mad concept, mutually assured destruction. So they don't want this conversation to go public.

That's why they haven't invited me, I think, to be a public witness. You know, I have written to all of these people in Congress telling them I'm available to be a public witness and tell this story. under oath, bring all my documents and prove to them the truth of my story. By the way, I gave my testimony to Arrow in 2023. February. It was a two-hour presentation. I gave them a long PowerPoint presentation with documents, 22 exhibits of evidence at the end.

They said I did a great job. You even called me a patriot, blah, blah. But you've heard nothing from Arrow about my testimony. But it is now an official historical record that they've made of these testimonies that they're taking. David Chindeli did the same. David Chindeli was located at Minot Air Force Base in 66, where he had his crew saw the 10 missiles went down that previous evening. And so within the span of six months, we lost 30 nuclear missiles to UFOs from September of 66 to March of 67.

So nothing has to be done to them after they get turned off. They don't have to pull them out and dust them off and put them back in again. Below the Nintendo cartridge, put it back in there. Actually, do we have to send maintenance teams out there. They have to run procedures to recalibrate the guidance system. Because like I said, an inertial guidance system, it's based on, you know, they have to shoot the stars and make sure the guidance system on the missile knows exactly where it is. He was a collimator light.

It's a very involved procedure, but they have to do that for each of the missiles after these incidents. Have you talked to anybody that was there that night years later about this? Or did you track any of these guys down that were any of the guards? I have not been able to locate any of the guards. Of course, my commander was there with me, and I spoke with him. He's deceased now. But we had many conversations after I contacted him in 1996. we met up and went over some of the details together.

I've spoken with the commander at Echo Flight, Colonel Walter Fiegel. He has not gone public. He has not testified. But he's another one that could be called. So another man who worked on the maintenance crew that brought back up one of the Echo Flight missiles that went down. And he also had an incident during that process. In other words, he was.

working on going through this procedure of bringing the missiles back up to alert status when this orange ball of light hovered right above him and set some kind of electric signal down to disable the missile when he would reach a certain point in his checklist, the missile was disabled again. He'd do it over again. He said he did this multiple, multiple times while this object was above him. And it showed the ability again, demonstrated to him again, that these objects and the intelligence behind them knew exactly how our missiles worked. And we're able to disable at will whenever they wanted to. That's wild. I mean, he hasn't come forward.

I've got his story, but he just can't, again, he's got a family, he's got a reputation of possession. I don't know. He just doesn't see that he can come full with this public one yet. Well, yeah, I mean, you've got a bunch of guys that they can't even tell their wives. I mean, these stories are probably not coming out very often. There's probably way more stories that are happening behind the scenes that are ever seen the light of day. Absolutely. It's just an instant paradigm buster.

You know, you're sitting out there, garden a base in the middle of nowhere, and all of a sudden, what am I looking at? Right. And it is a frightening, emotional experience to be out close and personal with these things. I was contacted the day after I got home from, you know, I signed the NDA and I went home. They called me at my home. The guards that were there with their weapons pointed to this object called me at home. Wow. You come and visit them at the barracks on base.

I said, I can't. You know, I just signed an NDA. I can't speak to anybody about this ever. And it just killed me that because I wanted to know more. I wanted to know what they saw and thought at the time, but couldn't do it. So, you know, after this event, and then it's not until the 90s, you get to talk about it. Like, what's going through your head? Are you just, like, shelve it and say, I'll think about this at another time?

Are you doing a lot of investigation? Are you talking to as many people about UFOs as you can? Are you reading a lot of materials? Or are you just kind of waiting until it comes back? 30 years. I've been public speaking. I've written three books. I've done a lot of research. I've spoken to a lot of other people, a lot of other witnesses of other incidents. I have encouraged people to come forward, who have come forward. And like I said, the only thing that's lacking for me personally, on a personal level, is that I have not been invited to speak publicly to a

congressional hearing about my incident. And I'm waiting. for that invitation. And I hope that comes before I go because I'm not getting any younger. Yeah. Apparently, supposedly a few of those dudes listen to our show. We've got to get

Tim Burchett on the bat phone. Wow. Getting ready to go. Yep. Ready to roll. What, I was going to ask you what you think about.

And this is kind of a little bit out and out and left field, but, you know, a lot of people who come on our show. suggest that maybe angels are flying in UFOs. Like angelic beings that, you know, have been rumored to have been interacting with human beings since day one. What do you think about that theory? What do you think about if these are how angels get to and from and help humanity?

If they were the good guys, they would be someone like an angel, right? You're a guardian angel. Someone protecting over you. Why can't they? I know it's kind of crazy thought, but what do you think? Well, you know, when I first started researching this subject, you know, like I say, let's say in the 90s, I knew there were a lot of nuts out there. I didn't want to associate myself with them, so I kind of dismissed stories like that. But as I went into this topic more and more and heard a lot of very strange things and had my own experience, strange things, I no longer poo-poo anything. It's just I want to see, you know, whatever information or evidence they've got to support what they're saying. I try not to make judgments now as much as I used to.

Let's put it that way. Yeah. As far as angels go, people have talked by people, I mean, experiences, people that have experienced close contact with these beings, have talked about seeing balls of light that represent the soul on board the craft. They've talked about seeing light beings, which are described as just being kind of an outline of a being, but no real substance. They're more of a spirit, if you will. People talk about multidimensional beings that exist, different dimensions, different.

a lot of strange things that we cannot explain at this point. Yeah, definitely good and bad. That's for sure. Some of them seem to be the experiences are a wide range. Right, right. Like you said, if they're taking humans and creating hybrids, a lot of people who have abductions and don't have good stories to tell. They're not like, oh, this is a good thing.

Well, exactly. But again, that's from our perspective, our point of view. from their perspective, they may have a different point of view on as to why they're doing it and why it's necessary to do or why they feel it's necessary. It's wild. I appreciate you being willing to go into depth, and I'm glad that you started talking about it because I think a lot of people experience these things. A lot of citizens just see things and they can't explain, and it's really hard for them to.

I think in our society, like credibility is a big deal. a person is credible, their story is more credible than say some guy in his trailer park, seeing a UFO hover over, people just discount those kinds of people and say, ah, you're, you're smoking something and it didn't happen. It's not real. Yeah, I would recommend a book by Michukaku. I don't even know the title of the book now, but where he talks about different stages of evolution of extraterrestrial intelligences. And one of the, uh, One of the early stages, of course, we can, which are able to control power sources on Earths. And then in more advanced stages, they are or we are able to control power sources.

By power sources, I mean things like sun and other objects that may have a source of energy out there in space. And, of course, I think some of the ETs are able to do that. So, but it would give you a sense of, Mitch Ocacco sees evolutionary stages that are far in advance of our own. They understand physics a lot better than we do. Let's put it that one. Absolutely. I'll go to watch a tech video and try to put your brain around with that,

what that craft is doing, you know, you know, that they're trying to track with the, with the F-18. Bob, thanks so much, man. I really do hope you, I really do hope you get a chance to testify and hopefully the oversight committee here does reconvene when conference does and congress does and you get that shot because i think your story is super important it's a piece of this puzzle right that i think is uh as we're trying to sort of figure out what's going on with the UFO uap phenomenon this is a really a really crucial piece to understand sort of perhaps what what why

and you know the abilities of these craft and perhaps what they're doing right if it's turning off nuclear warheads and all deactivating these things that not only is their technology so far ahead of ours um with perhaps as far as the public goes our objective should be that we should know as much as we can by we i mean the general public not just a few people in congress or in the CIA or right Agreed. Yeah. The American people deserve, we deserve to know. We deserve to know where the dollars are going.

What's being, what's being funded and what our government has, right? I mean, we the people deserve that at the very least. Well, in a democracy, the people are supposed to be running things. It's supposed to is the key word here in these days. Yeah. Yeah. Disappear. Yeah, exactly.

Well, thanks, Bob. Thanks for the time. Yeah, thanks for your story. Appreciate it. and appreciate you taking us back 1967 and walking us through that crazy day.

Yeah, it's incredible. It was a pleasure, John Allen. Thank you very much for providing me. Happy to do it. Hope this helps somehow. Absolutely. Yeah, it does.

And if you have anybody else has some stories, don't be shy to send them our way if you feel like it helps our listeners figure out what's going on out there. We're all years for any suggestions or any stories.

or anybody else that you might recommend we're here for it so thank you thank you appreciate it okay Nick thanks Bob all right all good one you too appreciate you see yeah