Blurry Creatures - EP: 267 Generation Hoodwinked with Dr. Laura Sanger

Episode Date: September 18, 2024

Step back and buckle up as we dive into Generation Hoodwinked, the radical new book by Dr. Laura Sanger. This isn’t your typical conspiracy chatter—Dr. Sanger takes us on a mind-blowing journey into how spiritual deception has been creeping into our lives, turning us into pawns in a larger game. Think you've got it all figured out? Think again! From media to politics to pop culture, we're getting played, and it's time to pull back the curtain. Get ready to uncover hidden agendas, spiritual warfare, and the battle for your mind, straight from Dr. Sanger herself. If you’re ready to shake off the blindfold and wake up to the real world, you won’t want to miss this one! Her new book Generation Hoodwinked is available now right here: https://amzn.to/3Xu3f5K You can get our book of Enoch here: https://amzn.to/3xriiUB Support the show! www.blurrycreatures.com/members Socials instagram.com/blurrycreatures facebook.com/blurrycreatures twitter.com/blurrycreatures Music Kyle Monroe: tinytaperoom.com &Parker Mogensen Intro/Outro Song: by TimeCop1983 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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All right, welcome back to blurry creatures. We're getting closer every day to be doing these, some of these interviews in person, our studio's almost done. We're going back into, you're gonna, I can't wait for you guys to see what we got cooking. But speaking of the good old days, we're bringing back one of our favorite guests

from the beginning, Dr. Laura Sanger. She's become a household name in the blurry spaces out there. And early on, we were just having conversations about the Nephilim agenda and her book. And she's got a new one out. And we're going to talk about it. She was nice enough to come on our podcast first to talk about her new book. Dr. Laura Sanger's back in the house, Luke. That's right.

And feeling good. It's cool. It's the next step for her. Of course, if you haven't read her first book, a lot of folks in our space have. It's the roots of the Federal Reserve. It breaks down the way that the Fed was started and really succinctly talks about the agenda of enslavement that exists in our financial systems. So her new book is called Generation Hoodwink, The Impact of the Nephom agenda today. And so are the next step.

Like how would, if these systems exist in our financial space, then where else do they exist? And how is this agenda perpetrating itself through our culture and permeating through media and everything else? Which feels like a spell these days. It does. It does. We love Laura, right? I mean, if you're coming to BlurieCon this year, you're going to have a dose of Dr. Laura, get to hang out with her in person. Yeah. She's wonderful, wonderful. She's got curly hair now, guys. She's all grown up now, Dr. Laura's saying. Lett us.

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The water is, what is the water? Put on that member's only jacket. Come on in. That's right. Let's get Dr. Laura on this one. Thank you guys again for sharing our show around and making this podcast so much more than we ever anticipated. The history of our earth is so different from what we can imagine. The Smithsonian that if they found out about a large skeleton somewhere was to go get it.

I'm going to assume at least one person is right, because if one person's right to bust the paradigm, it all goes back to the fallen chair. And the problem with the modern day church, they have a very truncated view of the supernatural. This backdrop that's just pregnant with all kinds of meaning, associated with this Mount Hermon event. And this guy defects from the kingdom. That's a big deal. All right, welcome back to Blurry Creatures.

We have a fan favorite Dr. Laura Singer back on the show, author, and now World Traveler going all over the place because the blurry verses embraced you so heavily. It's cool to see the journey that we've all gone on together since starting this podcast and some of the early guests. Thank you. You have a brand new book coming out. It's out now, Generation Hoodwink. which we're going to talk about today on the podcast.

Thank you, Dr. Laura, for coming back on. And I think this is so relevant to what's going on right now because no matter what seems to happen, the world's getting darker and crazier. And it seems so obvious that there is an agenda playing out and people you cannot convince friends and family. And I'm sure we'll get into this throughout this episode of why you wrote this book and cover many blurry topics

that we've covered in the past. Yes. Congrats, Dr. Laura. We started this whole journey, as Nate said, with the roots of the Federal Reserve. We feel so privileged not to just to have you for this interview, but also just to count you and Tom and your family as friends. Your follow-up now really dives into the Nephilim agenda and what's happening now, maybe as a result, some of this as a result of downstream of the Fed, but also how we meant to think and kind of break out of, we use the analogy of the movie The Matrix, but really break out of the Matrix and see what's going up or what's going on. So what about this, what about this in your mind needed to be written? And why did you write the second book?

And then we can jump in wherever you want to jump in as far as talking about the Generation Hoodway. Well, I mean, great questions. And I absolutely love coming on your show because, as you said, I think so many people have just been incredible support to me. And I'm just so grateful. So I was telling you guys before we started that I had to tell other podcasts, You know, after the book came out, I've been on a couple of different podcast interviews.

They're like, let's talk about your new book. And I said, I can't. I promise Nate and Luke that they would be the first interview. And so I'm super excited just to share. And I think, you know, with each book that I've written now, it is such a grand adventure with the Holy Spirit. I thoroughly enjoy the process. And it's, you know, this one was birthed, I would say, from both a dream and also a vision. And so I'll share both of those.

So just to give your listeners a reference point, the Roots of the Federal Reserve was published in November of 2020. But prior to that, so this would be May of 2020, I had a dream. And at that point, I had not selected a publisher yet. I didn't know who was going to be publishing my book. And in my dream, I had a publisher come to me and tell me that if you write a book about how AI has stolen the vocal cords of our children, I'll publish it. And then about five months later, so this would have been October of 2020, I had a vision while I was awake. And so Jesus took me by the hand and we walked down this dirt path down into this underground cave that was at a base of a mountain. And then

he took me into this large cavern and he released his breath. And it was like this blue light that was billowing out enough so that I could see in the cavern. And what I saw were cages with children in them, lining the walls of the cavern. And they were plugged into the walls. And then Jesus told me, he said, take the key of David and unlock the cages and unplug them. So that's what I did.

I went around to each cage. I unlocked them, unplugged the children from the wall. And they ran to the arms of Jesus. but there were some children that didn't. They stayed in the cage, even though the cage was unlocked, even though they were unplugged. And it was because they had been programmed to stay. Now, this was long before I understood satanic ritual abuse that I had this vision. And so with those kids that didn't come out of the cages,

Jesus told me to take my sword of the spirit and just began demolishing the cages. Well, as I'm having this vision, the Holy Spirit is giving me revelation because we were still in the midst of, we had just come out of lockdown. And the Holy Spirit was showing me that, you know, because of the lockdown, our children were forced to turn to their devices, you know, for social interaction, for entertainment and for schooling. And the purpose of that was for Nufflem hosts to be able to gather AI data on our children and hoodwink them. And it was at that point that Jesus was showing me that there is a whole generation, not just the children, adults as well, that have been hoodwinked and it's time to break free from that.

So then once the roots of the Federal Reserve was published, the Lord was very clear with me to walk in Ephesians 511, which says have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. And that's because, you know, the father of lies has crafted a narrative so deceptive that it's trapped people into these false pretenses and warped philosophies. And it makes me think of 2 Timothy 4 3 through 4, which says, for the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires,

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plenty on your podcast. Sure. So in Generation Hoodwinked, what I do is I uncover the myriad of ways that this Nephlam agenda has strangled the lifeblood out of humanity. And it's really not for the feign of heart to read this book because it exposes, you know, the fruitless deeds of darkness. And I'm looking for, you know, those people, which, you know, You know, your listeners are certainly among those that have an adventurous spirit and some hootspah,

because I think it's time we start smashing these warped philosophies and replacing them with the truth of God. And that's, you know, that's the whole reason I wrote the book. And, you know, when you think about the weapons of our warfare, they are mighty to tear down these sophisticated arguments that have set themselves up against the knowledge of God. And, you know, Jesus has given us the authority to smash this Nufflam agenda. And so with Generation Hoodwink, what the Lord has allowed me to do is provide a pathway out of the dark caverns of mind control by exposing the fruitless deeds of darkness. You know, what I do is I shine a light on those deceptive narratives that have been thrust upon us. And it's really a call to freedom so that, you know, each of us can declare with confidence that we are a generation that will no longer be enslaved. And so that's why I wrote the book.

And I just had a conversation with my publisher, actually, who is a blurry member. I'll have you know. Her name is Monica Rick's Paxton, and she's with Relentlessly Creative Books. And a couple of weeks ago, you know, we were talking, and she just really had the sense of how significant the timing of this book is in that it has the capability of helping to set a generation free. And she says, what we need to think about. is how do we develop a strategy that will break the stronghold of media? Because, you know, the top

the top 10 books, well, first of all, with Amazon, she says there's over 40 million books available on Amazon. And if you make it into the top 10, most often those books are controlled by the media because they're controlling the narrative of what people read. Do you mean like the sales algorithm? Yes. Yeah. Okay. So they're keeping them number one. even though they might not be number one? Is that what you're saying? Well, so those that are in the top 10 get all sorts of press. They're hands selected ahead of time sometimes to make it into the top 10.

It's not always true, but a large portion of those that have made it into the top 10 are those pre-selected narratives. Makes sense. Look at the media today, Laura. I mean, we don't even, we could do this without even getting political. But if you had, if you've at all looked around the last few weeks, it feels like, I was just having this conversation with my wife about how the idea of real journalism is really, is dead. There is no longer an objective.

You know, journalism itself doesn't exist. What we have is activism now. And there's this procured and predetermined narrative that is then pushed and parroted across the channels. And so I think it's super interesting. I know that Nate and I's book made it number 26, Nate. We're not really going to, but we didn't make the top 10 because we weren't selected, Laura. We got close, though, our Book of Inok, yeah. I remember seeing, I was going to say that, Luke, that, you know, like Fauci's book was, like, numbered one.

And it was like, who is actually buying this book? There's no way that people are interested. Everyone is either hates COVID or hates Fauci. And so why would they be buying his book? You know, like, who is buying this? No, yeah, so continue. I didn't mean to cut you off, but I just thought it was interesting because I think it is so, we live in such a crazy time. I mean, I don't think it's crazy in the sense that we've seen this before.

This is not new, right? The idea, we've talked about propaganda with you on our show and the use of propaganda and the controlling of narratives. And we talked about Hagellian dialect. That's one of the one of the things we talked about in our show, which I know is in your book, here in your new book as well. To me, I love that you went to Ephesians 5, but I was thinking about Solomon or nothing's new under the sun. And that's why I love, I mean, I love that the byline for your book is about the NFM agenda. That's really, in a lot of ways, when you wrote the roots of the Federal Reserve, you were exposing the systems here in the United States that control our monetary system, which enslave us.

And I love that your website is no longer enslaved. But here, it's like you've taken this and exposed the system. Yeah, that was like a question I had that, sorry, Luke, that was a question I wanted to ask first when I was thinking about this interview is, do you think there's a spell cast over people when you say hoodwinked? Like, is there an actual spell or is it just people are naive? I think it's both. I think it's both. But yes, I do think there's a spell.

And, you know, going back to what we talked about in previous episodes about the Higalian incantation, follow the science. You know, that was they stir up fear because they know fear is the primary way to control people's mind. And so you stir up fear and you pull them in to that sorcery circle where. you manipulate their mind, their thoughts, their behaviors. And so very much is like casting spells. Yeah. How do you think they do that? As you've looked into the data behind it, is it more nefarious or is it actually like they're going back to ancient times, figuring out how to cast these spells? Well, I think, you know, if you consider both Hitler and Joseph Goebbels, you know, they talk about a lie perpetuated often enough becomes the

truth. And so if you say something over and over and over and over again in the media, then people believe that it's true. And that's confirmation bias. You know, you think about these days, what is a woman? People are even questioning, what is a woman? Well, five years ago, even probably less than that, people were very certain what a woman is. So you see that there's this breakdown of language. And that's really what Hegel did. as well as he, you know, he would use such sophisticated language that it would confuse his listeners. But that's a way to bring about those spells. And you think about Alan Greenspan as well, the former Fed chair. People would call it Fed speak. When he would speak, no one would understand

what the heck he's saying. And that's part of it is, you know, to bring confusion and language. And certainly Leviathan, the spirit of Leviathan gets in there. and twists communication and language. And so it's all wrapped up together for sure. I think it's interesting, Laura, that we just said that it's a quote attributed to Goebbels also was repeated by Vladimir Lennon. So you have these two very evil figures

that were that slaughtered millions, the blood of millions of people on their hands. And they're quoted talking about a lie told often enough will be the truth. And then Mark Twain, of course, said that, you know, a lie can travel half around the world before, for the truth that puts on its shoes. I'm just sort of paraphrasing there.

Or puts the pants on, depends on what sort of variation of that you like. But it's, it's interesting because I think it is so applicable. I like shoes. Yeah, you know, put the shoes, put shoes on, baby. But so first, how do you land on, on hoodwinked as your, as a title?

I know that's something that was very specifically chosen. I'd love for you to explain sort of, why hoodwinked and then you know how that might tie into when it comes to the seedborn jens to six yeah well i think it goes back to that vision that the lord gave me and just having this understanding that people are hoodwinked um but then you know as i wrote the book and even like recently i was listening to a teaching from michel tidball she's been on your um oh yeah little people yeah yeah love that nagle never forget those episodes about little people oh never she is great We are just wonderful friends.

I absolutely love her. And I'm now listening. She leads a Torah community in Cody, Wyoming. So I've been listening to some of her teachings. And so I have to give her credit because as I wrote the book, I didn't realize, I mean, I knew how it ties into Genesis 6 and the Seed War of Genesis 3. But she brought out a nuance in the Greek word for hoodwinked that I didn't even see as I was writing the book. So I want to share about this because it captures why I wrote Generation Hoodwinked.

But before I do, I think, you know, one of the most exciting things as I was writing these books is just discovering the wealth of wisdom and revelation that the Bible has. I mean, it, it helps us understand the madness that really has descended upon us. And, you know, one of the things I think about with the Bible is I think of it like this treasure chest. And, you know, you can open up the lid and glean treasure just from the surface, you know, just as you open the Word of God and read it. But man, when you start digging into the Word of God, you begin to realize that there's no bottom to this treasure chest. I mean, the treasures that are contained in the Bible are endless. And I consider myself to be a student of the Word, and I plan on studying Scripture the

rest of my days, but at best, I will only discover a fraction of the riches that it contains. And, you know, as a researcher, I find this completely exhilarating. And so I, what I want to do is like dive into some scripture today and just kind of discover the treasures that it contains. And the first passage is 2 Corinthians 11, 3 through 4. It says, and this is Paul speaking, it says, but I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent's cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. If someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the spirit you received or a different gospel from the one

you accepted, you put up with it easily enough. So I'll come back to a couple of key phrases in this passage. But first of all, okay, Paul is writing to the Corinthian Church, which he found it. He's their apostle. He cares deeply about their spiritual growth. Well, here we see that he's concerned that they're going to be deceived just as Eve was deceived by the serpent. And so if we look at that Greek word for deceived, it's exopatahoe. And it means to seduce holy, to be thoroughly deceived or hoodwinked.

So that's where that word ties in. And it describes someone taken in and enslaved by Satan, someone who is deceived by illusion, to the point of missing true reality because of that. biting on the bait that brings the hook. And I love that definition because that captures why I wrote Generation Hoodwings, because I believe we're living in days where people have taken the bait that bites the hook. You know, they've been so thoroughly deceived or hoodwink that Satan has them entrapped. Well, in this passage, Paul is telling the Corinthian believers that he's concerned they're being hoodwinked. And he doesn't want them to fall in the same way for

to be deceived in the same way as Eve. Well, as he's writing this, I believe he is exposing the warfare tactics of the seed war. And so, you know, let's go back again to Genesis 3. And this is verse 1. It's in the Amplified. It says, now the serpent was more crafty, subtle, skilled, than deceit, than any living creature of the field, which the Lord God had made. And the serpent Satan said to the woman, can it really be that God has said, you shall not eat from any tree of the garden? Well, we know, I mean, you've talked about this on your podcast. I've talked about it in the interviews we've done. But we know that that Hebrew word for serpent is Nakash. And it comes from a Hebrew root word that means divination, his whisper, magic spell, and enchanter. And so here we see, you know, Satan, he masqueraded as an angel of light. You know, he was attempting to capture just a fraction of his former radiance to entice Eve. So what he did is he whispered. these magic spells over her. So back to thinking about what media does, they whisper these magic spells over people. And what he was engaged in was witchcraft. He was trying to manipulate Eve to

walk in rebellion. Well, media tries to manipulate us to carry out a certain behavior. And that ties into that Hegelian dialectic that we've talked about. Well, so after Eve eats of the forbidden fruit, you know, the father confronts her. And this is in verse 3. of Genesis 3. And the Lord God said to the woman, what is this you've done? And the woman said, The serpent deceived me and I ate. So we know that word deceived and the Hebrew is Nasha. Well, according to Strong's concordance, not only doesn't mean deceived, it means beguile, mentally delude, morally seduce, to impose and to cause to go astray. I want to focus on that phrase, cause to go astray, because I think this captures what Paul's concern.

was for the Corinthian believers. He was concerned that their minds would be led astray and that they'd become hoodwinked. So how were their minds being led astray? Well, we see that they were tolerating those who came to preach a Jesus other than Paul preached, and that opened the door for them to receive a spirit other than the Holy Spirit. See, they were tolerating a false gospel, one that Paul wasn't preaching. So in other words, what Paul was doing is he was warning them that they could be let astray. And when you're led astray through false doctrine, it points you to a false Jesus. And then you can receive a false Holy Spirit.

So Paul was pretty adamant with them, warning them about this. And he goes on in verse 13 through 15. He says, for such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles. of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself, masquerades as an angel of light. It's not surprising then if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve. So, like, you're receiving something. I think that a lot of people think, well, if you're deceived, you're just going down the wrong, but you're saying you actually get a false, you receive a false spirit. Yeah.

Like, actually comes to you sort of thing. Yep. Yeah. Because I think a lot of people just think, oh, well, we have differing ideas and, you know, but this sounds like it's, you're participating in something that, where you, there's a transaction. Right. And that's, that's part of the Nephilim agenda. And I'll actually, I'll unpack that a little bit more as we talk. So, you know, here what Paul is saying is he doesn't want them to be deceived, just as Eve was when Satan masqueraded. as an angel of light. And I think, you know, we can be deceived in a similar way through false apostles and false teachers. And I think, you know, the Nephilim host have actually infiltrated our churches and even some of our pulpits. And you think about, you know, this year, I don't know how much you guys have followed all the Christian ministers that have had to step down from their ministry positions because of iniquity that got exposed. And so,

You know, for me, it makes me question, are these Nephilim hosts? Were there fruits, their genuine fruit finally exposed? Now, I don't think certainly in every case, that's true. And that's why we need discernment. But hopefully what this does is this awakens us to how easy it is to be led astray. And I think we need to be asking ourselves, you know, what doors have we opened that maybe have caused us to go astray? When you think about it, you know, all it takes is us taking our eyes off of Jesus for a short period of time and we get just ever so slightly off course.

Well, the more that we're off course, you know, spiritual drift is this gradual accumulation of seemingly insignificant decisions. Spiritual decay is often very subtle. We don't notice that we've become off course. So if we don't submit to the course correction of sound doctrine and the Holy See, Spirit, we can be led further and further astray. And I think about, you know, many people, as far as their relationship with the Holy Spirit, I think people are more content watching the Holy Spirit move in other people rather than walking with the Holy Spirit. And it's, it's unfortunately because many people enjoy being entertained rather than experiencing transformation

in their lives. And so if we've become off course, I think we, in order to get back on course. We have to pray things like Psalm 139, 23 through 24, which says, search me, oh God, and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts. See if there is any offensive way in me and lead me in the way everlasting. Well, God loves it when we ask him, show me if I've been led astray. He loves that invitation. And it actually reminds me of something that happened this summer for Tom Zachari and I. So we went to Europe, epic trip. I won't go into it, but it was amazing. Let's go. We followed it on, I followed it at least on Instagram. Did you? Yeah, it was incredible. It was amazing. We, um, so we went to three countries, um, in three weeks. And the

first place we were in, we were in Rome for a week. So we flew into the Leonardo da Vinci airport. After a week of being there, we fly out. Um, our, our flight is scheduled for 6 a.m. So I've got to get up at 2.30 in the morning to get ready so that by 3.30, we're picked up by our Uber to get there by four because we're flying to England. It's considered an international flight. So we get there at four in the morning and I think it's going to be fairly empty. It is packed with people. And so it takes us a while to even find our airline, like the ticket counter for our airline. We get there and there's this huge long line. So we're standing this long line for a while and we realize that off to the side, there's these machines that you could, you know, do a check-in and get your boarding

pass and weigh your bags and all of that. So Tom and Zachari, we all go over there and they put our bags on and, you know, they're entering in our confirmation number, that sort of thing. And they get this message that says flight is not found at this location. Wait, what? And they do it again. Flight is not found at this location. And Zachari is like, we are at the wrong airport. I was like, oh, no, you know, that feeling of panic. So I quickly just pray and I'm like, Jesus, please be our waymaker, help us catch our flight. And so we're leaving the airport.

We know we got a flagged down a taxi. So I run after a taxi that's about to leave. It happens to be the right size because we way overpacked. And we get in this taxi. It's about 25, 30 minute drive on the other side of the city. And if it's as crowded as the airport we just left, there's no way we're making our flight. But we get there and the security lines aren't very crowded. We get through.

We have 15 minutes to spare and we get on our flight. And it was just the hand of God moving on our behalf. So the Lord spoke to me through the experience. And he said, so often you think you're headed in the right direction. But truthfully, you're off course. But as soon as we recognize it and we repent, he's right there to bring us back on the right path. And there's no condemnation. I mean, Jesus didn't tell us, no, I'm not going to help you.

You guys are too stupid. Or he didn't make fun of us for not recognizing that there were two international airports in Rome. He was right there to set us back on course. And I love that about him. And that's why I think it's so important that we ask ourselves, have we been led astray. Are we, like, it can, I think many of us probably to some degree have believed false teachings. I know that I have. And I think in large part, that's because the Nephilim agenda has infiltrated our churches. You actually, so you actually have a real win in Rome. I do.

I'd be remiss for let that one pass by. When do you know, Laura? Because I think that's the part that Luke and I are always trying to figure out, like, when? And because people can say that about us all the time, right? They say that we go too far. We're into two weird stuff. And you even see guys like Russell Brand. You see him coming to, like, waking up. Like, there are non-Christian people who are also seeing what's going on and they're being drawn in.

And then you have all these Christians. They're like, oh, he's not actually a Christian. You have you have Elon Musk saying, look, look what's happening. They're destroying. They're not, people aren't having kids. The media is controlled. I mean, it's not just, there's a whole host of people that are waking up to this agenda. And I'm just trying to figure out, how do you, I guess the question is like,

non-Christians seem to be going more towards Christ because they're seeing things. And then obviously Russell Brand converted, and a lot of people were skeptical of that. But it seems like a genuine conversion. And he's talking about what's going on. And then he's, it seems like a lot of non-Christians are even seeing this. Mm-hmm. What do you think about that? What do you think about the movement that's happening?

Because it's like a lot of Christians are believing lies, I think. And then a lot of non-Christians are seeing the truth and coming over. It's interesting. Yeah, that's interesting observation. Yeah. I think, I mean, it really ties, again, this is why I wrote the book Generation Hidwink, because it ties into the Nephilim agenda that, you know, the language of the Nephlin is deception. And so what we're seeing is beautiful things.

We're seeing people like you're saying, people here. haven't walked with the Lord, coming into relationship with Jesus because they recognize how evil the world is and how there's so much hatred towards Christians in Jesus. When you think about the Olympics, athletes couldn't even give glory to Jesus. And so what it does is it causes people to question, well, maybe there is something to this Jesus. And people begin looking into and researching and coming into that. realization that Jesus is the true son of the living God. So you have beautiful things happening,

but then you also have this deceptive conniving, these false teachings that infiltrate the churches. And it's, you know, it's nothing new to think that the Nephilim agenda has infiltrated the churches because it was happening in Paul's Day. And that's what, you know, he's addressing in this 2 Corinthians 11 passage. Well, one of the things that I love that, Paul does is he actually identifies for us how this Neflem agenda has infiltrated the churches in the form of false preaching, false Jesus, and a false Holy Spirit. And it slithers in through tolerance. And so in 2 Corinthians 114, Paul uses the phrase, you put up with it easily enough. Well, that phrase is from the Greek word, an echo. And it means showing tolerance to

tolerate, to endure, and to bear with. Listen to what theologian D.A. Carson says about tolerance. He says, the appeal to limitless toleration, not just toleration of the other chap's right to be wrong, but toleration pushed so far, one can never say that anything or anyone is wrong. Presupposes the greatest evil is to hold a strong conviction that certain things are true and their contraries are false. But if we hold that God, has revealed himself to men, supremely in the person of his son, but also in the words and propositions of Scripture, then however many interpretive difficulties may still afflict us, we have no right to treat as optional anything God has said. And I think, you know, there's a great

temptation in the churches now to teach false doctrine so as to not offend people. And I think about this whole seeker-friendly movement, what it did is it caused church leaders to preach a watered down gospel. So I think we have to ask ourselves, have we tolerated preaching that sedates us? You know, have we allowed the Genesis 6 narrative to go ignored in our pulpits? Well, then, you know, you think about Paul now in Ephesus. So he's leaving the Ephesian church. He's headed back to Jerusalem. And he gathers all the Ephesian elders of the church. And he warns them. And this is in Acts 20, verse 28 through 29. He says, be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers,

to shepherd the Church of God which he purchased with his own blood. I know that after my departure, savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock, and from among your own selves, men will arise speaking perverse things to draw away the disciples after them. So Paul is talking to the elders of the Ephesian church, and he's saying that among them, false teachers will arise and speak perverse things. See, false teachers infiltrate our churches like savage wolves, and they are utterly self-serving. You know, they're not interested in the spiritual health of the people. They teach these twisted renditions of the gospel, and it's so cunningly deceptive that oftentimes it's hard to deceit.

or to discern. And I like, I found an article I was reading from Sam Storms. He's a biblical teacher and theologian, and I think he captures it really well. He says, they use all the right words, and this is about false teachers, false apostles. Speaking often of Jesus and the gospel and the spirit, all the while injecting into such terms, heterodox definitions and drawing implications that undermine the faith of those whom they supposedly serve. They'll often talk of righteousness and portray themselves as servants of what is good and godly. Soon though, and ever so subtly, the righteousness on which they insist takes on a new shape, develops a different scent, and feels legalistic rather than liberating, ultimately sapping the confidence of God's

people rather than strengthening it. There's no indication that anything sinister is afoot, not initially anyways. They go about their ways teaching twisted things and calling it truth, unwitting accomplices in Satan's diabolical strategy to destroy the body of Christ. And then D.A. Carson says the result of this then is this entire network of leaders nicely installed in the church who actively work against the gospel in the name of the gospel. and they seduce the people to follow another Jesus in the name of Jesus. And so I think we have to ask ourselves, have we fallen prey to being hoodwinked by a false doctrine?

How can we be certain that we're following the true Jesus? And one way to distinguish, and Nate, maybe this gets back to answering your question, one way we distinguish that we are following the true son of the living God who is Jesus Christ of Nazareth, who came in the flesh is that we have the true Holy Spirit in us. The evidence of that is the fruits of the spirit. So love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, faithfulness, and self-control. If these are exuding from our life, then we know we're following the true Jesus because we have the true Holy Spirit. Now, if we're trying to discern in a Christian leader, for example, or, you know, maybe somebody like Russell Brand or, you know, some big name Christian, if we're trying to discern,

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the luxury of being up close with some of these Christian leaders to, determine whether or not their fruit is genuine. Especially in the information age. Right. You know, everyone can present themselves. You know, this is something that Luke and I deal with all the time. Yeah. Like so many people are, you know, in this space, want a following and they want to be

influential. And from the online perspective and from the podcast perspective, you can manipulate a lot of people and you can do a lot of things and just behind the scenes and just our lives and and all these different scenarios between, like, Luke and I being in different forms of media before this. There's a lot of those types of people. And then you start to realize, oh, you're one of the, this is all sort of, you're kind of manipulating people.

And a lot of Christians, I think the church tends to draw on high empathy people and narcissistic people. And they kind of come together and the church is sort of a breeding ground for the people to get taken advantage of who have, a little higher empathy, like you were saying, more of the fruits of the spirit, I think they get taken advantage of a lot by those types. But anyway, that's a whole other conversation, but I'm just I've just seen it all the time in the space. Right, right. And I think that's why, you know, we need to grow in wisdom and discernment. I mean, that's my, my prayer constantly as Lord,

help me grow in wisdom and discernment because this Nephlam agenda is so conniving. You know, I've had people close to me that, you know, it's been hard to see, you know, different aspects of things that rise to the surface. Well, you know, I think about another factor that we can use to discern whether or not, you know, people are following the true Jesus or false Jesus is if they're self-promoting, if their heart motive and their actions and attitudes are all about self-promoting. You know, we see some of these insecure Christian leaders. They place themselves at the center of their churches instead of Jesus. And, you know, you've probably experienced this from time to time. You know, I've been in a number of different churches over the years. And I was in a

church service one time when Christian minister, after worship, she gets up to preach. And she says, if you were looking at me during worship and you saw me kneeling, it was because I was humbling myself before Jesus. And I just wanted to vomit. It was so disgusting because she's suggesting. She's subtly implying, take your eyes off of Jesus during worship and look to see what I am doing. Another example is my cousins, they went to this church. And we visited the church at one point.

And I could barely stomach the service. And we were walking out and we were dialoguing about it. And I didn't want to be too harsh or, you know, be real blunt with my discernment. So I was kind of teasing out, what is it like to go to this church? And they told me that when it's the pastor's birthday, they carry him on a throne down the center of the aisle. Can you believe that? I mean, so, I mean, these are extreme examples.

But the idea is that, you know, when you find somebody that is self-promoting, that loves to talk about themselves, their heart motive. I mean, this is aside from, okay, we have to market sometimes. And it's, I hate marketing, but you have to do it. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the kind of person. When you sit down with them for a meal, all they talk about is themselves. They hardly ask you anything about anything else, right? they are their own favorite topic. Well, Christian leaders that are like that, you know, we can

almost be certain that they are teaching false doctrine because they are false teachers. They do not reflect the character of Jesus. You know, Philippians too, Jesus made himself nothing and took on the very nature of a servant. And I think these are the kinds of leaders that are teaching about a false Jesus. Well, it's easy to, it's easy to get launched into that. when you are sort of this dynamic personality and people sort of latch on to those types of leaders. And it's like humility doesn't make you go to the top. Arrogance, pride, ego make you go to the top. And they run businesses and they run, you know, churches.

It's like, it's sad, but it's like people kind of want that personality in some ways. They want it, you know? It reminds me of this comedian that I love, Brian Regan back in the day. He has this whole bit called The Me Monster. And he's talking about dinner parties where it's just, just waiting to one-up everybody and talk about me, me, me, me, me, me. Yeah, yeah. I talk about that sort of humorously, but, like,

that's a very stoop point. There's a lot you can read on people and motives for their, you know, with their, the way that they present themselves and the way that they market themselves as you will. I want to ask you, though, because one of the things I think is interesting about, When you talk about churches and being infiltrated with this agenda, it seems to me that the vast majority of churches that are pastors that fall and fail. It's a sexual scent. It's an affair. It's an affair with someone who worked and who was their admin person or with somebody who was a wife of an elder, these things that that happen. And then I think about Genesis 6 and there's a

very, very, and this is a family show, but we've got to talk about this. There's a very, sexual sin that happens there, right? It's angels leaving their post, leaving their estate, and taking wives and creating the Nephlin. This is the, this is the epicenter. This is the apex of the vortex, the vortex, as they say in Pineapple Express. And then I want to, one of the things you also said that got me thinking is just the idea of this deconstruction, this plays into it, I promise, the deconstruction movement in the church where people are, and a lot of our friends, Nate, done this, gone on this path, where they are deconstructing their faith. they're saying, and this is so interesting, my Jesus

wouldn't do this, this, and this. My Jesus would do this, this, this, and this. All sexuality, gender affirming. My Jesus wouldn't condone the conquest of Joshua. My Jesus, you fill in the blank. And so they deconstruct their faith on these precepts of Jesus that don't find themselves within the scripture. And so there's a two-part question.

question there. It's like, I think I see both these things. Like how do you think this idea of, gosh, I mean, this temptation and of sexuality in the church is, I mean, we've seen it at time and time again. I mean, whether it be Carl Lentz and I don't only name names, but, you know, with Hillsong very famously was like Justin Bieber, I'm saying this quote, pastor, you know, who fell because he had an affair. There are too, sadly, too many, examples, a certain that comes to mind of pastors that do that. And is that part of this agenda in your mind as far as it infiltrating our churches? Yes. I mean, you pointed out very stooly that it all goes back to that Genesis 6 and how the fallen sons of God, they cross their borders and made it with the daughters of men. And so it was a sexual defilement from the beginning. And it's it always comes down, I think, to boundary issues. So, you know, sexual sin, a minister having sex within it, like his administrative assistant, for example, that's a boundary issue.

They've crossed the boundary of what proper relationship is in the workplace or within ministry. The fallen sons of God crossed the boundary and made it with another species being human. And so the sexual sin often is about crossing boundaries, and that goes back to the Nephilim agenda. I loved what you were saying. I mean, I don't love that it's happening, but the deconstructionist that is happening within our culture, you think about we're in this consumerist or consumerism society where it's all about options and choices, right? And so if we don't like the Jesus of the Bible, we can construct a dissonerner. different Jesus. And I'm going to read to you something that Sam Storms wrote in a recent article

that ties in really well with what you were saying, Luke. He says, this is often the case in certain expression of contemporary Christianity. Don't like the Jesus of evangelical Orthodox biblical faith? No problem. There are plenty of other Jesuses to choose from. There's the liberal Jesus, the liberation Jesus, the Christ of the cults and the Christ of Islam. There's the entirely human but not so divine Jesus, or if you prefer, the entirely divine and hardly human Christ. Or perhaps you relish a more homegrown Jesus, one that is fashioned after the desires of your own heart. Ouch, that one hurts.

He says, how about the Jesus of Dan Brown's Da Vinci Code? Or the Jesus of the Gospel of Judas? This is a presidential election year, so cast your vote, the Democratic Jesus or the Republican version. Too political? That's okay. He can be as revolutionary, politically incorrect, and nonconformist as you need him to be. After all, when it comes to Jesus to each his own, actually no, any other Jesus different

from the one Paul proclaimed is an imposter. And I think that is what we need to come back to is the plum line of the Bible. And oftentimes, I pray this scripture, Psalm 8611, and it says, teach me your way, O Lord, and I will walk in your truth. Give me an undivided heart that I might fear your name. And so when you think about having an undivided heart, it's linked to being taught true doctrine because that leads you to following a true Jesus. Well, conversely, being taught false doctrine causes you to construct a false Jesus.

So you have a divided heart. And I used to think about how you either follow Jesus or you follow a false Jesus. But here, what we're beginning to see in this passage is that you can actually follow both at the same time. And that's what gives you a divided heart. Well, as I was pondering these things last week, I asked the Holy Spirit. And I was like, Lord, show me. Have I believed false doctrine? Show me where I've gone astray.

And he reminded me of my own words because I've said, I have had a wrong theology of suffering. And I can't remember if I've even shared this on your podcast before. But in 2008, I went through the most difficult crisis in my life. And I did okay, I would say for about two weeks, but my character really buckled. It buckled under the weight of pain, trauma, and uncertainty. So what happened in 2008, without going into the whole story, in a nutshell, Zachariah, our youngest, that you know. But for those of your listeners, he's our youngest son. He was battling kidney failure and failure to thrive.

And so we had an emergency hospitalization. We nearly lost him on two different occasions. He was, he needed an emergency surgery. and he needed all sorts of treatments. We were in the hospital for like 10 days. They drew so much blood out of his body that they could no longer, like the last two days, they couldn't get it out of his arms. They couldn't get it out of his fingers, his feet.

They had to draw it from his scalp. That's how many times they drew his blood. So we were discharged with him on a feeding tube, and that began the long road of recovery. And day after day, I was faced with the uncertainty of whether or not I would find him dead or alive in his crib. I mean, he was so sick. He was vomiting constantly.

He was vomiting up blood. I didn't know if I would find him face down in a pool of vomit and have suffocated throughout the night. I mean, it was, I would not wish this fear on my worst enemy. And it genuinely messed with my head. And I tanked. I tanked for a good year and a half. and I went through a dark night of the soul. Well, at that point in time, I had been walking with Jesus for 35 years.

And I realized I had major cracks in the foundation of my faith. And one of those cracks, and the father really needed to deal with us in my life, because one of the cracks was I had a wrong theology of suffering. And I've come to realize it's a form of what's called triumphalism. See, I believed because at that time, I was just, passionately following Jesus. I was elder at our church. I was on staff as the youth minister.

I was involved in spiritual mapping as a prophetic intercessor. I mean, I was all in in serving Jesus. And I believed because I was passionately in love with Jesus and serving him with everything that I had, that I would live a blessed life. Sure, you know, bad things would happen here and there. But I didn't think really bad things would happen. See, I had. constructed a false Jesus. I was following a bless me Jesus. And that Jesus Christ of Nazareth

never promised us a life without hardships. I mean, nowhere in the Bible is that even modeled. Yeah. And you know, you think about Paul going back to this second Corinthians 11 passage, he lays out the suffering he's gone through and listen to this. He says, I have worked much harder, been in prison more frequently, been flogged more severely, been exposed to death again and again. Five times I received from the Jews the 40 lashes minus one. Three times I was beaten with rods. Once I was pelted with stones. Three times I was shipwrecked. I spent a night and a day in the open sea. I have been constantly on the move. I've been in danger from rivers, in danger from bandits, in danger from my fellow Jews, in danger from Gentiles, in danger in the city,

in danger in the country, in danger at sea, and in danger from false believers. I have labored and toiled and have often gone without sleep. I have known hunger and thirst and have often gone without food. I have been cold and naked. Besides everything else, I face daily the pressure of my concern for all the churches. Who is weak and I do not feel weak? Who is led and to sin and I do not inwardly burn? I mean, so clearly here, Paul, I mean, he's not a mediocre Christian, right? And he experienced trials and tribulations. I mean, he suffered in countless ways. But yet I believed this false doctrine known as triumphalism because it was fed by portions of scripture, but it didn't take into account the whole council of the word. See, triumphalism is the

theology that Christians who suffer must have something wrong with them. Because those who are passionately following Jesus, they lived a blessed life. And I think this false doctrine largely plays out because of Greek thinking, you know, this either or mentality. And that's, you know, you think about in scripture, I mean, yes, it's true that Jesus, you know, he can do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine according to his power that is at work within us, which is Ephesians 320. But it's also true that we need to consider it pure joy when we face trials of many kind, James 1, 2. And it's a paradox. And the paradox is often difficult for Greek thinking to contain that. And it's one of the things that I address in Generation

hoodwinked. I look at the difference between a Greek mindset and a Hebrew. mindset. And I'll just kind of give a summary in a nutshell. So, you know, in thinking about Hebrew logic, it's cyclical. It's not linear like Greek thinking. And it's relational. It's not institutional. It's actually grounded in family and in covenant. It doesn't elevate knowledge. It embraces humility. So articulate debate is not the pinnacle like with the Greek philosophers. Instead, you know, walking alongside each other, sharing in a others' experiences. That's what's most important with Hebrew thinking. And it's because relationships are primary. Structures are secondary. In fact, structures are only important if they foster

healthy relationships. So with Hebrew logic, what it incorporates is actually dualistic thought. It's about embracing opposite views or opposite ideas with both and rather than either or. And we see examples of this in scripture. You know, you think about Jesus is both the of the tribe of Judah and the lamb that was slain. Hell is both the darkest blackness and also a fiery lake. Well, with the Hebrew mindset, it recognizes that there are mysteries of God that are not meant to be understood. And so the Hebrews can hold, you know, this tension between concepts without the consternation that comes from the Greek thinking. One of the books that I quote in in my own book, Marvin Wilson, it's called Our Father Abraham.

And he says, all things, therefore, do not need to be fully rational. The Hebrew mind was willing to accept the truth taught on both sides of the paradox. It recognized that mystery and apparent contradictions are often signs of the divine. Stated succinctly, the Hebrews knew the wisdom of learning to trust in matters that they could not fully understand. And I love that. Now, is it wrong to have a Greek mindset? No, I don't think so. I mean, especially because most of us weren't given a choice whether we were raised in a Western culture. Western culture uses the Greek mindset in our education system. And actually, there's beautiful things coming from both. You know, if you think about Greek mindset or Greek thinking, we have the scientific method that came from that. And of course, technology, what we're doing to day with this interview, you know, medicine, all of those things we wouldn't have without that scientific method. So it's not that I'm suggesting we get rid of Greek thinking, but more that we incorporate Hebrew mindset in our thinking as well, especially as we interpret scripture.

So for me, this wrong theology that I had of suffering was because I only considered one side of the paradox. I was thinking either or. I was focused on the, bless me side. I wasn't embracing the suffering, the other side of the paradox. And for me, it took a crisis to break me out of that false teaching. And what I want to do, you know, just for your listeners so that they can avoid a crisis is provide a way out of the dark patterns of mind control. But I'll pause there because I know that was a lot. No, that's amazing. I was thinking about that a lot of just in the last couple months, actually, of just how the religious of Jesus' day, you know, would have woke up in the morning, would have been so deep in their Bibles, would have been understand. You know, they were trained to understand the Old Testament.

They probably knew it word for word. They probably could quote the whole Old Testament, right? And yet here's the Son of God in their midst and there's no, nothing inside of them is saying, this man is different. It's like they don't have, they must be following a system that all the religious of the day were following, and they were all in it together. And they were all, like you said, kind of hoodwinked. And here's the son of God who, you know, which is what the, who the story is about. And they can't recognize him, but some can. Some people can.

Some people feel it. And I've always been sort of drawn to the fact that they had a system. They had the Greek thoughts of what's right. and what's wrong, black or white, yes or no. And they couldn't even recognize the son of God, which I think some of us today, we're just trying to recognize who actually has the Holy Spirit and who doesn't. They couldn't even, the guy that the Bible is about, they can't even recognize that. I just think it is relationship driven. And I think that that's always been the problem with me with certain people who are growing up in half a dozen to a dozen different Christian

circles of like, what is this? Why does it? Why does it? a part of me that doesn't like a part of the church. And that's always been hard of me. But there's this other part of me that loves the church. And there's always this fight going on internally of how do I accept the things that I think are important and how, why do I feel like a lot of times it's a scam? What is that in me? And it feels like it's an ancient problem. It's not something that I woke up and then and started to think about. It's been going on since the dawn of time that people use this and manipulate, but they also seem to have a mass of followers behind them also.

So it's not just one individual, it's an entire system that Jesus is going up against. Yeah, and it sounds like, I mean, you're discerning. So when you step into a church that maybe there is false teaching going on, you feel like it's a scam. I mean, you can tell that the fruit is fake, but then you step into those churches where the Holy Spirit is, moving and people are genuinely seeking after the true Jesus, there is nothing like it. I mean,

I'm part of a church like that now here in Utah, and it is so exciting because week after week after week, 30 to 40 people are giving their lives to Jesus just by coming into the presence of the true and living God. But it's so true that, you know, there are many churches, unfortunately that are being led by people that are not following the true Jesus. And I think that's why we need discernment. And also prayer. I mean, I am not at all suggesting don't go to church. I have always been involved in the local church.

I value it so highly. I mean, Hebrews 1025 tells us to not forsake the assembly. And no church is perfect because there's people involved, right? But what we want to discern is the truth. being taught? Are the leaders walking in humility? Or are they self-promoting? Are they self-centered? I mean, I've been to all sorts of churches. And you can sniff it out that you get in those churches. You're like, this just feels like a scam. Like, what is this? And it's about feeding their egos. Like, we want to be the latest and greatest. We want to, you know, hit the top of the top as far as,

like, our worship music. We want to go, you know, worldwide and all of that. So it really is about discerning and understanding like what is going on here. Is the Nephlam agenda given room in this church? What people forget is that when people tell you that their way is the only way or their way is the right way, it's really not a whole lot of difference between that in a cult, an actual cult. Like I have the interpretation. I've got the right truth. And I think that's some of what is hard, but also is evident in a lot of,

of what you're describing, where you have these people, the pastors that have these followings, and they, in a lot of ways, become the arbiter of truth, which is very dangerous. It's very dangerous if it's not, that truth isn't being, isn't communicated through, you know, through, it doesn't match up to what, what the Bible says is the arbiter of truth, right?

Not, not a person. I think in some ways I feel like for some people This could feel very overwhelmed, which I'm glad you're going to break down this next piece because, you know, how do we? It feels like if there's deception everywhere, which is a common theme with a lot of folks in the spaces, that there's a devil under every rock. Everything is a deception. And that's not true either. So how do we? Yeah, like the fundamentalist and the progressive are battling, right, on either side. And people like to go one or the other. They like to go super, super woke, super social justice, or they go very fundamentalist. And they can't hold. whole, they can't find, okay, like, why am I pushed to either side? It seems like either side, you lose the relationship and you lose the humility is what you're talking about. Well, I think both sides is just cherry pick. It doesn't take the, and this is, I think, is interesting

about your point in your book, Laura, is they cherry pick an aspect of Christ of Jesus. And then they hold that and that becomes the fullness of Christ. There isn't space, and this is really interesting, as you kind of break down this Greek thinking, there isn't space for for Jesus being, you know, concerned with A and also concerned with B. Judgmental of A and also judgmental of B. Like, and calling out sin here and also calling out sin here. And at all times calling people to repent. That's what I think is, I want you to break down how we, as you point out,

I love the way you put it. How do we break out of the dark caverns? How do we come out of the locked cage? Yeah, how do we, yeah. Or the unlocked cage. How do we come out of the unlocked cage? If we have been unlocked, how do we get out of it? How do we know that we were in a cage and let alone walk out of it?

Yeah. Well, you know, we think about mind control, right? So we're trying to break out of this mind control. Well, our thoughts create energy. So depending on what our thoughts are, we either create positive energy or negative energy. Well, according to quantum mechanics, negative energy means that there is less energy than even what's found in empty space. So metaphorically speaking, it's actually better to be empty of thoughts than to have negative

thoughts. And that's because our thoughts literally change the structure of our brain from moment to moment. So we have this network of neural pathways. And, you know, some of these neural pathways are well established because of repetitious thoughts. And that's why it's hard to break out of bad habits and addictions, right? because we've created such a strong connection in our neural pathways that our thoughts just

naturally flow down those well-established pathways. Well, in order to break free from bad habits or addictions, we have to intentionally think differently. Well, neuroscientists, what they do is they speak about the connection between our brain plasticity and alert and motivated states. And so what happens is, you know, when we're able to focus our attention on learning something new, for example. So I actually think about your podcast. People that listen to your podcast are constantly learning new things. So when they are focused on learning new things, what happens in their brain is they actually release neurotransmitters that act like switches that turn on our brain's capacity to change.

So a plug just for your podcast is you are helping. people change their brains just by all that they're learning. Well, conversely, you know, when we are disengaged, when we're bored, when we're tired, when we're involved in rope behavior, those neurotransmitters turn off the switch and it makes it much more difficult to bring about change. So if we pan out for a moment and we consider this kind of on the larger perspective and see what the ramifications are societally. You know, so many people have been conditioned just to live in the route race. You know, they scurry through the maze of life, unable to see the big picture because

they're constantly just looking down, keeping their head down, doing what's in front of them. Day after day, they're doing the same thing and there's no change that takes place. And that's because they have to just put one foot in front of the other just to merely survive. And, you know, this ties back into the roots of the Federal Reserve. We think about inflation. It's the hidden tax. You know, just when we think we're getting ahead, boom, we're hit with inflation. And again, we're just barely making ends meet.

Well, that's all part of the Nephlam agenda. It's to keep us hoodwinked in this rat maze, essentially. And like it. That's the thing is people almost like it. They almost like paying these high taxes, like paying these high fees, just because their side. Well, they've been, yeah, it's been told it's attached to virtue, right? So you have this false, this false virtue proposition.

Yeah, it's wild. I mean, you can't, and you can't, you can't explain their way out of it, but you can't, you can't present enough data. And I think that's what, you know, we see now is that it doesn't matter if you see the video. It doesn't matter if you talk to some of the personal experience. Like, hey, I, one of my friends got locked up on January 6th or whatever. I can tell you the justice system is being weaponized. And they're like, no, that doesn't happen.

And it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if it's a friend. It doesn't matter if they have the data right in front of them. And that seems to be the scariest part is that it's almost like there's no convincing people at this point. And the sheep and the goats is kind of what I was thinking about lately. It's like two different, completely different animals with a completely different moral compass and mindset. that is it, does it feel like that's where we're being sort of shepherded into a corner?

Well, I think, you know, back to your point about it seems like people are just stuck and they can't think differently, even if you're giving them real life examples. Well, I think, unfortunately, so many people, I mean, I saw this in the clinical work that I did. People aren't motivated to change, unfortunately, until they face crisis. You know, I saw this a lot during the pandemic. You know, people were so gung-ho about the whole narrative until it deeply affected them. And then they started doing their own research and realized, oh, my gosh, I have believed so many lies. And so, unfortunately, it often comes down to people experiencing a crisis, whether that's

internally driven or externally derived. But one of the things that I love about, you know, just thinking about the brain and epigenetics is it's so encouraging epigenetics because, you know, oftentimes we can't control the circumstances in our life, but we can control how we react to those circumstances. And so I think I've talked about this before, but just as a review, epigenetics is essentially the impact our thoughts, our behaviors, and our lifestyle has on our body's soul and spirit as well as future generations. So the prefix epigenetics is a set of instructions that sits on top of the genome. Well, there's this neuroscientist named Eric Candle and he discovered that we have a switch gene called the Kreb gene. And a way to think about this gene is to liken it to a light switch that our thoughts actually turn on or off. So this creb gene activates genetic expression which is the making of proteins.

And this actually lends itself to long-term memory storage. Well, the other thing to keep in mind is that with epigenetics, you know, the epigenetic signals can actually unzip our DNA. And I talked about that in one of our previous interviews about the single incursion theory. Well, in the origination of these epigenetic signals, they can either be, you know, coming from inside of us. So our thoughts, our mental state, you know, biochemical neurotransmitters that are getting generated. But it also can come from outside. Things like toxins that were exposed to or our nutrition.

What we eat has a huge impact on our thought life. Also, you know, our social networks, who we hang out with, our family support, those can trigger these epigenetic signals. Well, if we entertain a toxic thought, what happens is that the proteins that are produced from that thought don't form properly. So then a repetition of negative thoughts actually leads to physical illness and mental illness because of those improperly formed proteins. So if we're willing to change the way that we think, you know, we'll be healthier. In fact, research demonstrates that up to 98% of all physical illness and mental health illness is due to our thoughts. And I saw this. I mean, this is what formed the basis of the clinical work that I did. You know, I saw the ravages of toxic thinking. And so I incorporated

cognitive behavioral therapy, otherwise known as CBT, and attachment theory. So with CBT, the premise of it is that toxic thinking leads to mental illness. So as a clinician, you want to help your clients develop healthy thoughts. That will lead to healthy behaviors and then overall just general better mental health. Well, with epigenetics, it actually gives another layer of understanding of how the mechanics of this works. And that's because, you know, our reactions to situations literally change the structure of our brain. And that's why it's so important. We're vigilant as far as what thoughts we entertain because we could be changing our DNA through that. Well, now tying it even more so into the Nephlin agenda, one of the things that we have to realize is that our thoughts,

can be read by the Nephilim. See, our thoughts are frequencies. Negative thoughts generate a certain frequency. And Nephilim know how to look for those frequencies in order to read our thoughts. And I'll share with you a passage in the Bible. This is Ecclesiastes 1020, and this helps us see this. It says, curse not the king.

No, not in thy thought. And curse not the rich in thy bedchamber. for a bird of the air shall carry the voice and that which hath wings shall tell the matter. Now, birds of the air, or birds in particular in scripture oftentimes represent demons, not always, certainly. But we see this more clearly in the parable of the sowers in Mark four. So, you know, when the seed is thrown on the path, the birds come in and they snatch it up. Well, when Jesus was explaining to his disciples what this parable meant,

He says in Mark 4, verse 15, he says, some people are like the seed along the path where the word is sown. And as soon as they hear it, Satan comes and takes away the word that was sewn in them. So here, Jesus is equating the birds with Satan. Now, we know from other parts of Scripture that Satan is not omnipresent. He cannot be in multiple locations at once. We also know from Scripture that he is considered to be the prince of the air. So the term birds of the air is representing demons that work alongside Satan.

And we know that demons are the departed spirits of the Nephilim. So this passage in Ecclesiastes is telling us that those thoughts, particularly the negative thoughts are carried away by the Nephilim. And our very own thoughts then are used against us to create our own oppression. And that's why it's so important we take every thought. thought captive. You know, 2 Corinthians 10.5 says, casting down imaginations in every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God and bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ. So when we take our thoughts captive, the good news is that we are tearing down the

powers of darkness. And the other good news is no matter how entrenched our minds have become in deceptive philosophies and false teaching, Jesus provides the pathway out of those dark caverns of mind control. Freedom and transformation are possible. And that's because our creator designed our brains with the capacity for neuroplasticity. Now, neuroplasticity is one of the most amazing aspects of our brain function. It means that our brains are malleable and adaptable. Yeah.

And we read about that in Romans 12, too, which says, do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is, his good, pleasing, and perfect will. Well, the Greek word for renew there is anachinosis, and it means not only renewal, but it means renovation, a complete change for the better. And it comes from the Greek root word on a cano, which means to cause to grow up, to make new to be changed into a new kind of life as opposed to the former corrupt state. And so what this is telling us is that we can renew our mind day by day and we can set

our minds on things above like Colossians 3 2 says. And when we do that, we can overcome sickness, disease, mental health issues, even neurological challenges. And that's how we become no longer enslaved. Wow. There it is. Boom. Dropped it. And I think my own, I just want to say, you know, my own hardship was going through a sickness for a couple of years myself with having some Lyme issues and other things. And, you know, you go through even if you go to alternate doctors, eventually they'll send you to people who work on neurological retraining because they'll say your symptoms are so bizarre. You know, I've, I've read stories, Dr. Laura, people who couldn't even be in a house with

electricity. They built like a cabin in their backyard with no electricity and they were living like it's Amish country or the 1800s because they couldn't be in the house because they were in such a state of fight or flight. And then they started doing neurological retraining and they come back out of it. And it's a lot of silly things like breath work. Like you do these different breaths and you have to train your brain and think positive. And it's like, this is like bizarre stuff. And you're like, I just spent a lot of money at this, you know, natural path doctor. And you're telling me I have to like breathe differently, all these other things. But it's like, well, there's science behind it to how it rewires your brain. And I think that had I not gone through my own stuff, a lot of what you're

saying, I would have been skeptical of. And I know a lot of different type of people listen to our podcast and are skeptical of this. A lot of the content that we go into depth about. But I personally have dived into the whole of neurological retraining, and it's fascinating. And there's a lot of people who are kind of leading people out of chronic illness. I mean, illnesses, you wouldn't even, you know, they can't even eat food because their body reacts to things touching their mouth and stuff. It's just crazy stuff I've heard, but they start doing these neurological retraining exercises, and suddenly they can do everything they used to be able to do, and they live better than they ever have before. So there's a lot to that. I guess a question I have,

for you is, you know, something you said earlier where we can kind of have both things happening simultaneously. We can have the Holy Spirit, but we can also be operating on this other, you know, with this other entity maybe talking to us or communicating with us. You see that a lot, you know, going on today where it almost feels like some people get hijacked. What do you think we can do as Christians? Like, how do we know when we're operating maybe by something is communicating to us. Something is talking into our head. We're all thinking that we're fine. We're good. I go to church. I have the Holy Spirit. I'm good. I don't need to armor up my mind today because nothing. That only happens to bad people. We always write ourselves as the hero in our own story. What are some steps we can take to

maybe check ourselves? Great question. I think the first step is developing a relationship with the Holy Spirit because, you know, as we ask those difficult questions of the Holy Spirit, like I did last week, Lord, where are there places that I have gone astray before? What have I believed that is false doctrine and being willing to be open and to examine our own lives? That's the first step. I think the second is being like the Bereans. The Bereans went when Paul came to Berea for the first time and he was teaching about Jesus, he was preaching the gospel message. It was new to them.

They weren't aware of it. And so they went to the scriptures and they studied the scriptures and they discovered that what Paul was saying is true. And so we need to know the Word of God. We need to be students of the Bible. I think so often right now in this generation, there are people that are illiterate of the Bible, people that have grown up in church for their whole lives, don't really even know how to study the Word of God. And so we need to know the Word like the Bereans did.

So it becomes our plum line. So whenever, you know, a situation presents itself or a relational issue or, you know, some deep philosophical thing, we bring it back to the Word and say, okay. Where can I find this? Now, you can't find everything, right? Because we have modern issues, but the concepts, the principles, where can we find this in scripture? I think also, I mean, I personally, I have been through five different rounds of deliverance

ministry. And I highly recommend it because not only is it a way to deal with the generational or the iniquity in my own life, it's a way to deal with a gender. generational iniquity that flows through a bloodline. And I shared a little bit of my testimony at BlurieCon during the Q&A last year. But I highly recommend that as well because sometimes we don't even know what's inside of us. Now, oftentimes people can see, like I was operating under a spirit of control for, gosh, years and years. And I didn't get set free until 2010. 10 from a spirit of control.

I didn't see that I was being controlling. Everyone else could, but I couldn't. And it took that crisis of going through that falling apart. And I was meeting regularly with my senior minister. And he was just in my face confronting issues that he saw and other people saw. So I don't know. Hopefully that helps to answer some of. No, that's great.

I think we can all relate to that. I love how practical you make things, Laura, and how it's not just let's stay weird for the sake of being weird. You know, let's talk about all these things like the Nephilim and these giants and these blurry topics that we have. But also, let's think about this in the practical terms of the real world scenarios of which maybe we have a spirit of control and, like, affecting us.

And we don't even, I think a lot of people don't even believe these things exist. I'm a Christian. I don't need to have any deliverance, you know. And yeah, you might. And I might. And we all might. And it's okay to say that I'm wrong. It's okay to admit that you're wrong.

It's okay to come to the tables. I need help. Right. And a lot of us don't want to do that because we have that some trauma that keeps us from just saying those words. I don't know I'm wrong. I need help. And I think that for me, my life changed when I started to go to doctors. I didn't need help.

I had that control too. You grow up an environment where there is no opportunities to admit you're wrong. you kind of learn not to ever about anything. And eventually, you know, God has a way of, well, you know, you're going to learn, you might have to learn the hard way, you know, so you go through things that break you down. And then you're like, okay, I'm done. I'm at the bottom. Let's rebuild.

So I just love this conversation. Thank you, Laura, for, you know, coming on our podcast over and over again and sharing the things that you've learned. and like I said, putting in practical terms for us to be encouraged and actually take it and go, okay, this is a podcast. It's partly entertaining, but it's also like I get something out of it and I can apply this to my life. And I never really thought about what you were saying earlier that, like, you know, it's opening your mind and it's helping you. And I think for Luke and I, this podcast has been that.

It was just our journey. We were trying to figure out. We were trying to learn. And then other people started learning along with Cytos and because of people like you. So thank you for taking a chance on us coming on our podcast. And it's cool to see all the things that the blurry verses embraced you and all the adventures you're going on. And for our listeners, tell us where they can buy your book.

And we're excited to see all these people reading it and sending us messages. But yeah, where can they get it? Well, I think the great place to start is my website, which is no longer enslaved.com. It's also available on Amazon. And I am actually a friend of yours that you probably know very well, Brandon Weaver. Yeah. He is going to be doing the audio for, I'm going to narrate my book and he's going to do the audio

mixing for an audible book. And then probably within the next couple of weeks, the Kindle version should be available. And the other exciting thing is, I don't remember if I've said this, I think maybe I have, But the roots of the Federal Reserve is it's available in Audible. I'm not narrated. It's available on Kindle, but it's also available in Spanish. And I got to meet with some people in Madrid, particularly, and give them signed copies of my book. And it's been going, another copy is going to Guatemala.

And I'm just excited that the Spanish community is beginning to learn about, you know, the Nephlem and the Nephlem agenda. Wow, that deserves. Nate, that deserves it. That deserves a let's go in Spanish. Let's go. That's fantastic. There you go. I love it.

Laura is also going to be with us at Blurriek-Con, Franklin, Tennessee, October 31st, November 1st. We're going to have you here, Laura. And yeah, we love you. We're grateful for this. Thank you for doing this with us. I do think if I could just add one little thing, I think it's so important. We talk about Tessa's Spirits on here all the time. like right in this thing that we just kind of brought up and I and I think you made a great point

and I want to reiterate that before we close is just that if you don't have the Holy Spirit or know the voice of the Holy Spirit it's very tough to test the spirits and know you know you're talking to or who's who's whispering to you right and and and again a million times over all the truth that we need is in our Bible we need to become fluent and familiar with with the word of God especially in the midst of such deception and as you as you talk about the agenda this nephal magenta that has existed since Genesis 6 and still perpetrates and permeates our culture and our media and our financial system today so grateful grateful for you dr. Laura can't wait to see you and Tom and no we are so excited our whole family is coming thanks for having us

yeah love it and let's go get her book go get at our website it's it's it's better there and if you're you want to read something in Spanish forget about uh What are the Babel or Rosetta Stone? Just pick up Roos of the Federal Reserve in Español. There you go. Knock yourself out. That's right. Thanks, Laura.

Thanks, Laura. Yeah, you bet. Thank you. Awesome.