Blurry Creatures - EP: 275 Are Aliens Demons? with Tim Alberino

Episode Date: October 23, 2024

Blurry Con 2024 is next week! To celebrate we are releasing our eye-opening presentation from Tim Alberino, recorded live at Blurry Con 2023! In this electrifying talk, Alberino delves deep into the controversial topic of extraterrestrial life, challenging the widespread belief that aliens are demons. With his years of research into ancient civilizations, UFO phenomena, and the supernatural, Alberino provides a fresh perspective on who—or what—aliens might be. Prepare to question everything you thought you knew about the otherworldly as Alberino separates fact from fiction and explores the possibility that these beings may not be what many people of faith believe. Tune in for a mind-expanding journey that you won't want to miss! COSTA RICA TICKETS! https://www.eventcreate.com/e/costarica2025 You can get our book of Enoch here: https://amzn.to/3xriiUB Support the show! www.blurrycreatures.com/members Socials instagram.com/blurrycreatures facebook.com/blurrycreatures twitter.com/blurrycreatures Music Kyle Monroe: tinytaperoom.com & Parker Mogensen Outro Song: On the Run by TimeCop1983 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I'm expressing to you the material that's found in the compendium of competent abduction research that was done by men like Dr. John Mack, by Dr. Carla Turner, by the brilliant field investigator, but, Hopkins by Dr. David Jacobs, highly educated serious people with careers at stake. And in Turner's case, she was actually an abductee, her family at stake trying to figure out what's going on. Highly objective people, they didn't all draw the exact same conclusions, but they were all excellent researchers. And there is a body of evidence, and this evidence lends itself to scientific inquiry regarding alien abductions. And this evidence involves every kind of evidence that you can prove any case in a court of law, physical,

marks on the body, abductees come back with scoop marks and that's hardcore evidence, implants, as hard core evidence, implants that are in the human body, that do not get rejected by the human body, that do not cause swelling or infection, and in fact are on some occasions evasive. In other words, they move when you try to extract them. I refer you to the work of Dr. Roger Lair. So when we talk about alien abductions, we're talking about the graves. And that is the threat that the government, and again, the dumb state, is very much aware of this threat. So there's no reason to fake an alien incursion when you have the graze abducting millions of people all around the world. It's exponential, by the way.

The program is exponential. And it probably began in the late 1800s. And so it's been developing from the late 1800s. And they've been creating more and more advanced, hybridized, human. alien beings. I don't know what the purpose of the hybrids is, but I can tell you this, it's subversive, it's nefarious, and it is clandestine. The history of our earth is so different from what we can imagine. Joy to journey. The Smithsonian that if they found out about a large skeleton somewhere was to go get it. I'm going to assume at least one person is right, because if one person's right, it bust the paradigm,

It all goes back to the fallen chair. And the problem with the modern day church, they have a very truncated view of the supernatural. This backdrop that's just pregnant with all kinds of meaning associated with this Mount Hermann event. And this guy defects from the kingdom. That's a big deal. Last year we had a lot of fun at BlurieCon,

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Tim Alvarino. Great to be here. You got to play Crossfire first. Yeah, it was an ever-in-game of Crossfire. This is the first conference I've ever done in a Wainsworld couch. Hey, well, welcome. Hopefully won't be the last. Welcome to the show, Tim Alborino.

You guys know Tim? You guys have heard of Tim before? We've had some epic conversations. I think we've had the longest conversations on our podcast. Some close to three hours. Editing is fun. Did you have a Game Boy? I did not.

I had a Nintendo, an Atari, a Super Nintendo, Sega. That one, I had that one, yep. So thanks for coming, Tim. Thanks for having me. Our most popular episode on our podcast by far is the Genesis 6 episode that we did. It kind of went viral this summer. A bunch of people were sharing it, and I love it. We were talking about what we were going to talk about today,

and I think something that happens a lot on our channels. Obviously, we talk a lot about all the things happening right now. now are sort of things we've been talking about in the previous episodes with like UFOs and all the weird stuff happening. But I kind of talked about maybe doing an episode, kind of just delineating the difference between demons and aliens. Because a lot of people like to combine those two things to be in the same thing. And I think some people just don't know what you know on how to make like a well-formed opinion

about is it okay if these things are separated and what exactly are those two things. So we can just hop right in because I know it's going to go full Tim. It's hard to talk about anything serious when you've got Bigfoot running around. Hey, that is serious. Bigfoot's serious. Very serious. It's the gateway drug. Don't laugh. Don't laugh. I know. Okay, let's jump in with a light topic.

Humans and aliens. How do you start after that? I mean, so you've been the last couple of weeks. right? Like all the stuff that happened in the news. And we actually did an episode that's going to release on the UFOs. It's apparently shooting down UFOs. Justin Trudeau shooting out of UFO. That was like a comedy story.

I mean, but absolutely, right? No, but this is something in the public consciousness. And you've been making the rounds. You were on Bannon's War Room. It was interesting to be, you know, to have done as much as we've done with you. and become friends with you and really respect, not only the work you did in BirthRite, but just your ongoing thought process

and unpacking these things, and the thoughts you put around it. And it's such a time as this, honestly. Like, the fact that you are making the rounds because this is now a public story, I think this is a great, it couldn't be a better time. I know you've sat around the last couple nights

and talked about aliens around a fire. Yeah. So we're going to do it on Wayne's couch. I've been talking a lot of aliens later. Yeah. Smoking cigars and talking about aliens. Sounds, yeah. Not what I thought I'd be doing, but this is, here we are. You know, so the question that I get the most out of any other question is, aren't aliens just demons? In fact, this was

my father's question to me, one of the last conversations we had before he passed in 2020. So this is, this is the most prominent question. And it's kind of a complicated question to answer because it's sort of a yes and no answer. And sometimes people conflate it with the question, aren't aliens demonic, which is kind of a different question, actually. Yeah. So you were doing the tribute there to the late great Michael Heiser, and of course, Mike was always fielding this question, this very same way that I will field it now, in that we're all coming from this, we're coming at this question from a biblical perspective,

so we're going to reference the Hebrew cosmological view of what a demon would be, of what exactly a demon is, rather than the view of a westerner, rather than a view of an American, of what a demon is. Because in America, and in the West in general, a demon is anything that's grotesque and evil and ugly. We tend to use this term demon

to broadly apply it to anything that is malevolent. But as this audience is probably very aware of the fact that the word demon, in the Hebrew context is very specific. It relates specifically to these entities we call the Nephilim, rather to the spirits, the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim. We all know, of course, the Genesis 6 affair, according to the book of Enoch,

that part of the judgment of the watchers was that they would have to observe the destruction of their sons who would go to war with each other and annihilate each other. And judgment on the Nephilim themselves, and the giants themselves was that they weren't fully of their fathers, the watchers, nor of their mothers, their human mothers.

So they would be cursed to wander the earth as bodiless vagabonds until the great judge appeared at the time of, at the end, when he would come to judge them. And this is, of course, why when Jesus of Nazareth is walking on the shores of Galilee,

that the, that the, that the, D'Aene Demosaniac and the other demon-possessed individuals would throw themselves at his feet and cry out, we know who you are, you son of God. Why have you come to judge us before the appointed time? So the unclean spirits that we encounter in the New Testament are the disembodied vagabond spirits of the Nephilim that were cursed in the world before the flood of Nile, cursed in the antediluvian world by God to be in this terrible state, to be in this torturous condition until the day of the day of the world. judgment. Now, within the Hebrew context, within the ancient Hebrew context, those and only those are true demons, which even the book of Enoch says that those entities, the disembodied spirits

of the giants, would be called evil spirits in the earth or unclean spirits in the earth, which is, of course, exactly as we find them being referenced in the New Testament, unclean spirits. And these spirits are ravaging. These spirits are ravenous, foaming from the mouth. They're wild. They're uncontrollable. And people who are possessed by these spirits have epilepsy, throw themselves into fire, scream, again, referencing the Gatarin Demaniac, break chains, and, you know, possess superhuman strength and so forth.

So these are not composed entities. These are not normal functioning human beings who are inhabited. by the unclean spirit. So that is the origin of demons. And indeed, it's very much the same in the book, from the Greek perspective, from the ancient Greek mythological perspective,

in that they also, when they reference demons, demons were disembodied spirits whose origin was from the world before the flood. But in Greek mythology, demons could be also good, and they could be muses, and they could be helpful to human beings,

persisting in the world, bodyless as vagabond wraiths. So that is the context, which I'm sure I'm just sort of refreshing everybody's memory, because I'm quite confident that most people are aware of this. So that is what a demon is within the Hebrew cosmological worldview. Again, that is perhaps different from the Western view of the demonic and an understanding of a demon being anything malevolent or grotesque, but that is a Western view. That's terminology. That does not come from the pages of Scripture.

That's our own perspective in the West. So now, to the question of gray aliens, if you were to ask me, are gray aliens demons, or with the initial wording of the question, aren't gray aliens just demons? Well, based on what I just explained from the Hebrew cosmological perspective, the answer is to me, clearly no.

They're not. Number one, they're not disembodied. Number two, even if the greys were so-called meat suits for the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim, they do not display the characteristics of the unclean spirits that we encounter in the New Testament. You can't just sweep that aside. I mean, these were clearly very, as I said,

very uncontrollable, ravenous, wild entities. And you could be inhabited apparently by legions of them at a time, as was the case with the Gatorian demoniac. So when you encounter a gray alien, I always like to say that if you were to design a creature, that would be the least attractive for habitation by unclean spirits. You could do no better than a gray alien. Gray aliens are dispassionate. They're robotic.

They are, they seem to have a hive mind. And they're stoic, they're completely subdued. They do not display any of the characteristics of unclean spirits. And so, for me, it's a simple logical deduction that they're not inhabited by those spirits. In fact, gray aliens don't even have sexual organs to speak of. Oh, and part of the curse of the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim was that they would wander the earth as bodilous vagabonds, but yet they would have all of the desires of the flesh. So here you have entities that have all the desires of the flesh,

hunger, thirst, probably sexual impulses, but they have no flesh with which to satisfy these desires. And so what do they want? They want bodies. They want to inhabit bodies. They want to, through these bodies, interact, feel the material world, once again, to try and satisfy all of these desires that they still have, but without bodies.

And so they're using your body as the vehicle, as the mechanism to interact with the material world. And so gray aliens, as I said, don't even have sexual organs to speak of. These entities are not built for pleasure. And again, they're dispassionate and they're robotic and they're quite calm. Some people even say they're like cold to the touch too. And they're cold to the touch. That's right. I've heard that in many recountings of a,

of abductions from people who I know, very good friends of mine, in fact, she told me that when she had, on one occasion during one abduction episode, she had the opportunity to reach out and grab a gray alien, she grabbed it by the throat. And she said she was shocked because it was cold and clammy. So it wasn't like a warm blooded creature.

So there's something very interesting, perhaps, artificial intelligence, perhaps they're not fully biological creatures, perhaps they're, their biological drones of some sort. But to finish this thought, if gray aliens were inhabited by unclean spirits, we should expect them to be displaying the very same characteristics as the people who we encounter in the New Testament

who are possessed by these unclean spirits. They would be uncontrollable, they would be ravenous, wild, and so forth. So no, I do not believe that they are demons or that they're inhabited by demons. Now, if you ask me, do I believe that gray aliens are demonic? That's a different question. Yeah. Because then you're asking me, are they malevolent?

Are they evil? And my answer here would be unequivocally, yes. They're evil. They're malevolent. What they're doing is nefarious. And there's other, obviously, it's just the gray's. just another one single, you know, classification of aliens. We've got all kinds of other alien-type entities describe, you know, like I made the joke about the Nordics earlier with the Garthwig,

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And I don't think we like easy answers on our show, so we try to get better answers. And I think a lot of people in our comments section and send messages to us, they get really upset about this. Specifically, it would be good to kind of talk about some of these things and give Christians a better understanding in context how to make sense of there are, there's just other things

and that's okay. It fits into the story. We're not giving descriptions of them, but it doesn't have to ruin and shake your faith. No, not at all. And we can't comprehend the enormity of creation. We have no way to comprehend that. You know, you look at the earth,

you see a profusion of life on planet Earth. This is the signature of the maker. Millions and millions of species. millions of different kinds of creatures, living creatures. Some of them have a level of sentience that doesn't match our consciousness. We're creatures who have a higher consciousness. We can think about good and evil. We can reason.

But there are animals that have some kind of a consciousness, and to the degree that we can interact with them and have relationships with them like dogs and cats and even monkeys. And I know a little something about that. So, you know, there's just this profusion of life on planet Earth, and I think that it's very pretentious of us to limit this creative impulse of the maker of the universe and to box him in and say, no, only these kind of things can exist. Anything else that's outside of my paradigm has to fall into one of these categories,

which I think that's flawed thinking right out of the box. We're not told about everything. And, you know, somebody once told me, well, if it's not in the Bible, it's not true. Which sounds like a pious statement, but it's really not. It's an ignorant one. Because there's no Internet in the Bible. There's no automobiles in the Bible. There's no airplanes in the Bible.

I mean, there are advanced aerospace vehicles, right? But that's a different conversation. But so much of what we encounter today, the Bible was written to an Iron Age people. And it's absolutely relevant to us in terms of the gospel and in terms of the theological messaging. but just because the Bible didn't tell us in advance about, let's say, gray aliens, doesn't mean that that is extra-biblical. Because there's many things that we're not told about. In fact, the Son of God walked on Earth.

He interacted with the human race who he created, and he didn't teach us about quantum mechanics. He didn't teach us about quantum physics. He didn't teach us about the germ theory of disease. He didn't teach us about these, scientific principles that could have advanced civilization tremendously. I mean, he knows everything. It all came from him.

All of creation was created by him, through him, and for him. And in him, all things consist. So he could have told us anything about the universe, but instead he told us about the kingdom of heaven and about his father, and about how we should live, and about his core mission, which was what he was about he was about to do for us. So just because we're not told something specific doesn't mean it's outside of the bounds

of biblical thinking or the biblical paradigm. How does that fit for you then? Like you talk about all of creation. We obviously know there was creative experimentation when in Genesis 6 we have an episode about that. When you think about the alien paradigm and God being the creator, how does that, in your mind, and we can't answer these questions for sure, for sure, unless there was a great alien that popped and stood here in front of us, but maybe even then we wouldn't know, but how does this fit into that in your mind? Like, how do we, is this a creation of God?

Is this a creation of... Well, I don't, in regard to the gray aliens, the gray aliens may be a creation of the insectilins, which is a whole other level. So the gray aliens seem, they might be artificial intelligence or not, or they may be biological entities from elsewhere that can reproduce and so forth.

But I tend to think that there's some combination of technology and biology. But the insectilins, now, of course, nobody knows for sure, but it would be my hypothesis that the insectilins are the native species, that they are a native species from somewhere else in the universe, yes, perhaps even from the inner earth, but also very possibly from somewhere else in the universe. And so the question, but did God create those things? I think we're going to find out that God created a whole lot of things that we don't know about at some point in the future.

So he may have, and he may have created them for a particular function, and they were corrupted or part of that faction was corrupted, or maybe God didn't create them at all. Maybe somebody else did some genetic engineering and created them. Really, there's many different ways that you could approach the answer to that question. Yeah, it seems like obviously the list of creatures is just expanding. We're adding more and more every episode. And it gets weirder and weirder.

So in terms of what is, can you maybe go into detail about what is an alien then? What do you think that needs to be classified? I mean, I know we've talked about off-earth. Right. We had a pretty in-depth conversation on one of your podcasts about this. And it is important because I believe that the Bible presumes the existence of extraterrestrials. In fact, I'm quite confident that it does, and I'm sure everyone else is, as well, because we talk about these things called angels. And of course, angels simply, in the Hebrew, it's Malak and in the Greek, it's Angelas. And it simply means a messenger. an envoy, one who is sent. And so it's a description of occupation rather than a, rather than of kind or species. It doesn't tell you anything about the nature of the being.

It just tells you what they do. In fact, the word angel is used of humans in a couple of places in the Old Testament used to describe human messengers, envoys. So it's ambiguous by design, as I like to say. The terminology surrounding these beings is ambiguous by design. But what are these beings?

Well, they have other names. Their reference at least one time is the Morning Stars, which exhibits their exceptional agedness. They're very ancient. They pre-exist mankind. They're also called Benai Elohim, sons of God. And that term is very important because it's never used of humans in the Old Testament only applies to these heavenly beings in the Old Testament.

And so we know that, according to Job, the Benai Elohim, shouted for joy when the foundations of the earth were laid. So that tells you that these entities were around before the earth was created or renewed or however you look at that. So they were around before mankind in the sequence of events. They pre-exist us. So they pre-exist us in the timeline of galactic history, let's say. They pre-exist us. They were in the family of their sons of God.

So this is familial language. And it's purposeful, this language of sons of God. It's not incidental. And so the definition of extraterrestrial is simply, and let's keep it within the context of sentient beings, because you can have extraterrestrial rocks or extraterrestrial debris. But let's talk about sentient beings. So in that context, an extraterrestrial sentient being is a being whose origin or whose provenance is not planet Earth. So any person, any sentient person that is not native to planet Earth is very, very important. by extraterrestrial.

By definition, extraterrestrial. So if the sons of God shouted for joy when the earth was created, they obviously weren't created here. The providence is not planet Earth. They are therefore extraterrestrial. Now, you may say they're extra-dimensional or you may say that they are from a spiritual realm,

but it really matters not. The terminology still applies. They're not from here. They're extraterrestrial. again, whether they're from another dimension or another planet. And so I think that for some reason, Christians, we tend to recoil from this terminology when really it shouldn't bother us at all. And people ask me, what do you think about ancient aliens?

The TV show all the time, and I say, well, first of all, I think that the research on that shows is not very good. Let's put it that way. The conclusions are absolutely ridiculous. But the premise is biblical. The premise of the show is biblical. Have extraterrestrial's been interacting with mankind since the beginning? Have you read the book of Genesis?

The answer is yes, they have. Adam and Eve, we're interacting with some kind of a sentient being in the garden, for one thing. And I believe that, you know, we've inherited our civilization. We didn't invent it. We inherited it from something that pre-existed us. What pre-existed us? The sons of God. three existed us.

So I think we should get used to the term extraterrestrial and understand that it's a biblical term. The concept is presumed within the narrative of Scripture. It does not threaten in any way the veracity of the Bible or the gospel of Christ. And now, if you ask about alien, the term alien, alien is perhaps a little bit different because alien doesn't necessarily,

the definition of alien doesn't necessarily, it doesn't necessitate an origin outside of the earth. Alien really just means anything that's not us. So let's put it within the context of sentient beings. So if you have a sentient being like an angel that's not a human being, then that angel is, by definition, also alien to the human species. So I'm not really bothered by the term alien either.

I think that extraterrestrials and aliens are presumed within the biblical narrative, clearly, are presumed within the biblical narrative. Now you can have a debate as to whether or not these beings come from another dimension or some kind of a spirit, spiritual realm, or something like that. I have never seen another dimension or a spiritual realm.

I believe in the spirit, but I think we probably misunderstand what exactly it means the word spirit or what it means to be in the spirit and all of that. That's a theological conversation. LinkedIn is pretty amazing at helping you grow your small business. We cannot make your email response time faster. We can help you sell, market, and hire in one place. We cannot help you find space for your three desk drinks.

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In other words, there's more realms than just the earth. There has to be. There's something called the kingdom of heaven, and it's not here. And so, you know, if we contemplate angels for a moment, you know, what is an angel? Obviously, the designation is ambiguous. An angel is a messenger. But what is the being? What are these beings that are interacting with mankind?

Well, there's some things that we can know about them just by reading. We don't even have to theorize. We can just read the narrative of the Old Testament all the way through the New Testament, and we can make some logical deductions based on the historical netheries. based on the historical narrative of the scriptures. We know that these beings look like us. We're talking about angels. Rather, we look like them.

We know that they can walk among us and be relatively unnoticed because in the New Testament, we're told that you can entertain angels unawares. We know that these beings walked right into Sodom and that there was something about them that was unique, that was attractive so that all of the homosexuals, frankly,

in Sodom gathered around gathered around to try and get Lot to turn over these interesting foreigners who just walked into their town so that they could have their way with them sexually. We know that those beings

obviously they caused all those people to go blind but we know that they sat down with Lot and they ate dinner they ate with him. They did so with Abraham as well. They ate and drank

with Abraham. And so there's things that we can know. We know that these beings use vehicles of conveyance. They don't just pop in and out of let's say they don't just pop in and out of our perception. They actually

have to move through time and space like we do because there's these things called the chariots of God or the chariots of Israel. One of which came and picked up Elijah in the sight of Elijah who said, my father, my father. the chariots of Israel and its horsemen. And they came down in a whirlwind,

and Elijah embarked and then took off. So that is a vehicle of conveyance. In other words, some sort of transportation technology. We know that these angels were hindered in Daniel from coming to Daniel, one of them, they were hindered as they were making their way to Daniel, almost as if they were blockaded by, you know, the Prince of Persia, but they were traveling to come and deliver a message to Daniel.

We definitely have, like, kind of a faulty perspective on that, because I remember thinking as a kid, when they were wandering in the wilderness and the manna, bred from heaven, is coming down, and it's like, that's right. Why are they eating if they're just these spirits? That's right. They wouldn't be eating, right?

They wouldn't be needing that. And manna is, unless you, Let's just unpack manna for a minute. Okay. Manor means... Let's go. This is why they're three hours, you know what I'm saying? We go down.

We go hard. We want to talk about manna. What do they eat? But we're here. Let's go. Manor means, what is it? That's what manna means. What is it?

So we're all familiar with the story of when God fed the Israelites and he gave them quail and manna. But it wasn't bread that came from heaven. It was grain. And it fell out like dew. it was like dew on the ground and they collected it and they baked bread from it. It was grain. How do we know that?

Because in the Psalms it says that the Israelites in the wilderness ate the bread of heaven, the grain of heaven, the sustenance of the angels. They ate the grain of heaven, the sustenance of the angels. The angels have sustenance. In other words, they have to eat and drink. That's what sustenance is. They don't just do it for show. No? No, they actually, the Israelites, they collected the grain and they baked bread, and they ate the food of angels.

And so if you reverse engineer this, you know, it's so easy to just pass over those things as poetic language in the book of Psalms. But if you stop and you park there for a moment and you begin to reverse engineer this, to unpack this, you say, wait a minute. So the Israelites ate the grain of heaven, the sustenance of angels. We eat grain. Where do we get grain from? We get grain from wheat or some other kind of barley, wheat, a rye. We do the same thing. We collect the grain, we harvest the grain, and we can bake it into bread and eat it as sustenance.

Where does the grain of heaven come from? Are we not entitled to think logically about this? Are we not entitled to progress through the clues that are right in front of us? Where does grain come from? It comes from plants like wheat. Well, this was the grain of heaven. Might this grain also come from some kind of plant that's sown and harvested

and baked into bread somewhere else? Yeah. So I think we tend to spiritualize things that are much simpler than that because we have this knee-jerk reaction to mystify things because we think that the thing the kingdom of heaven is so different than what we're used to here on earth. We have divorced

the kingdom of heaven from any kind of tangible reality. But if you notice when Christ was here, the Son of God on earth communicating to us, how did he communicate it to us? In parables. And he would say the kingdom of heaven is like a tree.

The kingdom of heaven is like a man. The kingdom of heaven is like so on and so forth. purposely making us understand. He wanted us to understand that the kingdom of heaven is not some sort of, this is a term we've been kicking around for the last few days a lot, ineffable thing that you can't describe or explain.

No, you can understand it. You can understand it because it's very much like what we're used to, but of course on a much grander, marvelous scale than the things that we're used to. So I've spent much of my life I've always had, and I think it was sort of just because of my early perspective as a Christian growing up in church, there was a tendency to disassociate things that had to do with God and angels from reality. Like that's some sort of an ethereal thing that is spiritual, whatever that means,

and it certainly couldn't be physical. It certainly couldn't mean what it seems to be conveying. But as I've mature to my thinking, I've realized that it's a lot nearer to us. a lot, it's a lot more comprehensible than I think we've made it to be. And what I mean by that is, let me finish this thought because I'm sort of wandering here, I believe that the Israelites harvested grain that was grown somewhere other than the earth that came from plants that were harvested somewhere else. Now, whether you want that to be another dimension or a spiritual realm or another planet

makes no difference to me. I know where we get grain from, and apparently the angels also use grain and bake it into bread and eat it for sustenance. So what we have here is a civilization. It's a civilization. The kingdom of heaven is a civilization. And make no mistake, the king of heaven is the son of God. And I really think this is an important topic because, you know, you've mentioned ancient aliens. You have a lot of people who are trying to push this other narrative. The aliens are good. They made us and they seeded

humanity and they gave us everything we have. And then there are Christians who think that it's all just Project Blue Beam, it's all deception. There's nothing factual about it. But we just interviewed David Politis and he said, not only are these craft coming around

but they're also taking animals and stuff. So there's something way weirder happening. and going on. If it's just deception, you don't see elk flying off on a UFO. It just doesn't make any sense, right? They're wasting their time.

They would just be doing smoke and mirror projects all over the place, and nothing would actually be tangible. We have scientific experiments happening. We have testimonies that are just way more bizarre, and so there's going to be a whole group of Christians that are going to be so disenfranchised by whatever is coming, and we know something's coming, because they're slowly dripping it out.

Their faith is going to be crushed overnight. because they're just, it's all deception, it's all demons, and then if actual entities are walking, they're gonna lose it. If your paradigm is inflexible, then it will break when it's forced to expand. Introducing the new best skin ever, ultra-slim precision concealer from Sephora Collection. It's full coverage with a matte finish

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And I'm not talking about getting away from the gospel, no, I'm talking about anchoring yourself in the gospel of Christ, deeply, that those roots would go deep, that you would understand the gospel, but that these other things in terms of the nature of the universe, the beings that are in play in the universe, that's the part I'm talking about, needs to be a little more elastic for people, because if it's too rigid, it will burst when you're faced with things that don't fit. Now, you guys were talking to Derek, and one of you asked a question this morning that I don't remember which one it was, but I thought it was brilliant.

I think you asked a question regarding something I had never actually contemplated, although I probably should have. You asked Derek if he thinks that the megalithic structures maybe were a reflection of what was happening in heaven, right? Was that something like that? I think I asked that one. Right. Oh, good job, Nate.

I was really hoping it was going to be my question. But you alley-uped. You all you, please. And I thought that was, I thought, sorry, look, I thought that was a brilliant question, Nate. Thanks, man. And, uh, good job, thanks. And because, because we don't think.

I can retire now. Hang my hat up. We don't, we don't often think that way, but you were thinking in the way that I'm expressing here. What if we look at megaliths and we, for some reason, and I, and I've, I've done this in the past as well, and I've had to sort of, to catch myself. and rethink some of the way that I perceive things.

But we tend to look at like megaliths, these huge megalithic structures, and we're confronted with this amazing architecture, mind-blowing architecture. And for some reason, again, I'm guilty of this as well as Christians, our first response is negative. Our first reaction, this must have been. been created by something evil. Now, that may very well be true that the actual mega, the walls of Soxai-Waman, for example, I believe are one of those rare sites that was built by giants. And the reason why I believe that is because this is, and I say one of those rare sites,

megalithic sites, that was built by giants because the doorways are enormous. They're, you know, they're built for 10, 12-foot-tall people, and the steps are separated to such degree that it would be somebody with a very long stride that these steps would have been would have accommodated. However, I like the way you guys were thinking this morning because what if, let's say that this is, you know, my friend L.A. Marsulli, who likes to refer to as fallen angel technology, let's say it is fallen angel technology. Well, that would mean that it's also good angel technology somewhere else.

So what if in the kingdom of heaven there's incredible, megalithing. structures. Yeah. I love that idea. When you said it, it struck me, and I thought, wow, I don't think I've ever conceived of the kingdom of heaven having beautiful, megalithic constructions, and that the origin of this amazing technology isn't something evil, even though it may have been used by evil beings, but rather the origin is, in fact, the kingdom of God.

I think I got that from like elongated skulls, because that was what I was thinking when we, you know, do cradle headboarding, we're doing it as humans. To emulate. And I thought, well, why are they building the megalithic structures? What are they emulating, you know? And that's a brilliant thought because, and now, you know, you've sort of tweaked my perspective as well,

because now when I go and stand before the walls of Soxai Woman, which we're going to do in June, you know, I'm going to have a different sort of appreciation, like what if this technology originated in the case, originated in the kingdom of heaven and that the good guys are building like this as well to a much grander scale it's just, it just really enriches my perspective.

It makes sense though, right? Because you have, if it is the fallen angels that are building and they've been kicked out of the kingdom of heaven, then they're going to build what they know. Exactly. And they're going to try to recreate what they know. And now Terra is their on earth, this is their place. it is a fascinating

also there's a wedding feast in heaven I wanted to say something about that like you talk about manna like we're talking about going to the wedding feast of the bride in the kingdom of heaven we're going to eat absolutely

probably going to drink some really good Vino I mean so but Jesus himself said at the last supper that he would not drink he would not drink of the vine again until he did so in his father's kingdom so okay reverse and he's going to drink

of the fruit of the vine I think we're entitled therefore to deduce that there is vines growing. In other words, vineyards growing in some kind of, dare I say, extraterrestrial soil from which grapes come forth, which are pressed into wine. And so why shouldn't we think this way? And this is a question that really struck me

as I was going through this transformative period of my faith where it was going from nebulous, ethereal things that are intangible to suddenly things becoming real and tangible. Why shouldn't it be the case? Why do we have to make things ineffable? Why do we have to make things ethereal? And use these terms supernatural and spiritual to push them way off as if we can't understand them

rather than comprehending these things as associating them with the things that we're familiar with and with the things that we know. In fact, the way that we understand Jesus, the way that we understand the gift of God is because, guess what, we all either have a father or we are a father, right? Yeah.

All of us are children of someone else. And so it's through our understanding, comprehension of what a family is, what a son is, what a father is that we relate to God. It's not ineffable. It's right here in front of us. And so the kingdom of God, and this is the process I've been going through, and perhaps this is what's been happening to people who listen to me,

is it's all becoming so much more tangible and real and close. And to me, that's very exciting. What do you think about that in terms of like a dimensional paradigm? Because what I come back to sometimes, it's hard for me, is that you have the idea, the ancient Hebrew idea of Eden, as this place where heaven and earth, or perhaps maybe the kingdom of heaven, or heaven and earth where they met.

It almost feels like there's this separation. Not that it isn't all physical as well on that, but there seems to be this, I mean, I guess it would be a place then, too. We'd have, we've talked about semantics, really, but it's, if Eden, and God walked in Eden with Adam, and it was this place where heaven and earth met, and we've talked about this on,

is it on top of a mountain? whatever we want to go with that. What do you think about that paradigm as opposed? Do you think that's as plausible as it's being another? I'm not so, and I know this isn't necessarily your question, I'm not so concerned with where Eden was, but rather with what it represents. And for me, from my perspective,

Eden, heaven, and paradise are all the Father's House. I believe that these words express and indeed to the ancient Hebrews I think you can make a case that that's exactly true because they're used interchangeably. But I believe that when you talk about Eden, you're talking about the father's house. And that when you talk about Adam and Eve

being in the beginning in Eden, what's being communicated to us is that they were members of the family. This is about a family. It's not about a garden, it's about a family. It's the parable of the prodigal son. The father has a family, and we were supposed to be part of it. And that right there, to me, is the most excellent, the highest, the most wondrous thought

that we could possibly conceive about mankind, that we were created to fellowship with the maker and to be his sons and daughters. And I don't mean in the way that we think of it today, like, I'm a son of God. You know, I read the Bible and go to church. No, no, no, no, no. I'm talking about in the family of God, like Adam was in the family of God. Remember the genealogy of Jesus of Nazareth, which traces back through the lineage of David, going back, you know, through Solomon, through David, going back into the pre-flood patriarchs,

through Enoch, through Seth, who was the son of Adam, Adam. Adam, who was the son of God. Adam was created to be a son in the family of God. That's where we belong. But the great tragedy of the story of mankind is that we were divorced from the family of God.

We were sundered from the family of God. And the great glory of the gospel of Christ is that he brings us back. And that is the Parable of the prodigal son. That was the mission of Christ. Jesus said to his disciples on the eve of his crucifixion,

in my father's house. There are many rooms. There are many rooms. I was just thinking that. And in my father's house, when I hear that I hear Eden. In my father's house. So it's not about a garden.

It's about the father's house. In my father's house are many rooms. And I am going to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come and get you and bring you so that you will be where I am. That's the parable of the prodigal son. It's going full circle with the gospel of Christ

from sundrance and divorce to redemption, reconciliation through the cross of Christ and restoration to everything that was lost in Adam. So Tim, do you, I mean, this might be way too long of a conversation, but do you believe that eternal life is then, And I mean, if you do not choose to go in the Father's House, you just are annihilated, you cease to exist. Well, that's a, that's a theological quandary right there.

But eternal life is the gift to go into the Father's House forever. I mean, I think in some ways you don't, like I said, we grew up with this, like you said, it's so detached from it all. It's not a place we're actually going to go to. And, you know, what animates me, I've been, you know, some of the people in this room have been in our conversations that we've been having over the last couple of days here in Tennessee, not far away.

You know what animates me is the Gospel of Christ. And that's what animates, I'm sure, everybody here. The Gospel of Christ animates me because it is the greatest story ever told. It's the original story. Every single epic heroic story that's ever been penned by the hand of man originates in that story,

the Gospel of Christ. And so that's why when we talk about all of the things that we're talking about here, these things that are blurry, these blurry topics, what I really love about you guys and about this audience is you are flexible to be able to talk about, you know, Bigfoot and gray aliens and all this other stuff. But everybody here, the passion, that burning coal that keeps those flames going is the gospel of Christ. And that really is the connection between all of these other topics. And I'm not sure why I went on that little rabbit trail.

No, it's kind of started it. I had a thought. So we started out to talk about the alien stuff. In your book, this is kind of going to be daven in the mosaic here, but we talked about the family of God. And your book is about birthright. We talked about your book, Ad nauseum, on the podcast. but I always like to pull more nuggets out of it, right?

I mean, there are a lot, a lot of nuggets. So when we begin this conversation, and we're talking about the difference between aliens and demons and separating these things, your book is about our dominion, our birthrights of dominion here, and this is our place. You say we are the regents of planet Earth. How in your mind then,

do you think that this alien faction plays into as you talk about your book, the usurpion, usurpation. You know, that was a really bad choice in my front of the subtitle. We did have, we had a funny laugh about that. I actually said it right the first, that what we talked before. But how does that fit into, in your mind, into that, into this narrative? If we are to forfeit our dominion here, which is, we believe to be the goal of, of, the darkness, whatever you want to call it,

how do you see that piece playing into the larger mosaic of that? Like, how does this play into us? You know, we talk about transhumanism and these things as we advance in technology. There's this giving up, forfeiting of our humanity.

How do you see this alien piece fitting into that? Wow, that's going to take a long time to answer that question. Well, the reason why I call the book Birthright is because I believe that the birthright of mankind is dominion of the earth. That Adam, when he was created, Adam was created for two purposes fundamentally.

First, he was created for fellowship with God, with the maker. It doesn't get any better than that. You top out at that level. There's nothing higher than that. You were created to fellowship with God. But then the second, and in the family of God, by the way, with the family of God, with God and in the family of God. But the second function of mankind was to God. govern the earth. So you created the fellowship with God and to govern the earth as regents or vice

regions of planet Earth. So I'm trying to think of a short way to answer this question. So it's hard to talk about this without talking about the image of God, which is a long conversation too. Let me try to bridge this. So because we were created to govern the earth, we were given, nope, there's no short ways. It's got to be the long way. All right, let's put it in these terms. Always the long way, too. Let's put it in these terms. We need to blow the horn?

I think we need a big foot break. Exactly. If I'm a king and I need, and I'm going to send you, Luke, as my regent to govern in a distant part of my kingdom. Great choice. Excellent choice. You would need to bear some kind of signet, symbol of my authority, so that when you arrive in that, that land, those people understand that you are representing me and that should they defy you, they're defying me.

And my armies are coming to set things right. So my armies protect your authority. Without this seal, without this signet of my authority, your rule will be utterly ineffectual among those people. Because you alone represent no threat. You have no authority. So, but if you're carrying my signet, if you're sealed with my signet, then they know it's my authority that's behind your governance. So when God created, and by the way, before I say this, this is something that's been going on since the inception of human governance.

Kings and potentates and rulers have been using various symbols of their authority as, you know, signets, usually in the form of a signet ring. A seal. A seal. And the signet ring, in most cases, especially in the Middle Ages, but even in Sumeria and Egypt, the signet ring usually had the likeness, the facsimile of its bearer. In other words, let's say a Sumerian king had a signet ring or signet scroll. That ring or scroll would in most cases bear his likeness, his face.

and with a signet ring, you would press it into a solution of resin and wax. Like, you would roll up a document, for example, so I'm going to send you to govern in some far-off part of my kingdom. And the signet of your authority is going to be this authorization that I'm giving you, and I'm going to seal it with wax and resin, and then I'm going to press my signet ring into that soften wax. wax and resin. Which is one of one, right? That ring is one of one.

Yes, right. And it leaves the impression, it leaves the impression of the ring on the seal. And so I've sealed the document with, in most cases, a facsimile of my likeness, of my image. And I give you that document and then you take it to that territory and when people challenge your authority, you show

them that you, and oftentimes you might bear a ring with my image as well. You show them that you bear the signet ring, the seals of my authority, right? And therefore, my armies are protecting them. And so when God created Adam and Eve for the purpose of fellowshiping in his family and having authority over this realm, he did it in a way so that they would be sealed, authorized with his authority, because we were governed to rule, to govern the earth. We were created to govern the earth.

And so I imagine it this way, when God created, not exactly this way, not literally this way, metaphorically, when God created Adam, it was like he took his signet ring with his own facsimile, with his own likeness, and he pressed it into the earthing clay. And he created Adam in his image, in his likeness, so that Adam would bear in his very image, in his genome, the light of it.

the signature of the king, the signet ring of the king. And also, he looked like his siblings, because he was supposed to be, he was created to be a son in the family of God. And so, I believe that Adam was imbued with this authority. He was created for governance of the earth, and he was sealed, his very, his very, appearance was designed to communicate to all would-be contenders of this place, that this is a son of God, made in the image of his father,

and bearing the authority that has been invested in him, and that the armies of the kingdom are going to enforce his governance on earth. That's the birthright of mankind, because that authority, that seal, is associated with what makes us human. It's genetic. And it's inherited by all of the offspring of Adam. And so that's why later on, later down, I work in my book, as you all know,

I work my way through the creation of Adam, through the Genesis Sixth affair, all the way up to Armageddon, and why transhumanism is such a threat to the human species, because the question is what happens when we become something other than human? What happens when we lose the image of God? What happens when we no longer bear that seal of authority?

Then the armies of kingdom do not defend our rule. That's the answer, really. And so I jumped ahead the way ahead there. So it's important to understand that we're created in the image of God so that we can govern the earth. And that's, of course, what happened in Genesis 6 was a usurpation, which means basically a coup. A coup, that's right, of man's authority on Earth through hybrids

who were human enough to inherit the authority of Adam, but also happen to be giants. Big boys. So this is a very, you know, it's a very difficult thing to topic concept to a bridge. It took me all, you know, the full pages, the full breath of the book to unfold this to try and explain why it's important to retain our humanity. And the alien piece, where do you think that fits in this?

Because we've talked to, we've done a whole show on abductions and the volume of abduction accounts. And so we know, I mean, we started talking about gray aliens. So if you're, to piece that that in is this, you believe that's a, faction that has the same goal? That's a piece of a bigger a bigger plan that is set

or hell-bent, if you will, on removing that from us? Well, you know, there's, it's interesting that everyone I'm sure here is familiar with the abduction program, that the grays are producing human-aliant

hybrids. I find it interesting that the grays are infiltrating human society, but that they they're becoming like us in order to conquer us from within is basically what's happening. Dr. Jacobs refers to this planetary acquisition. But perhaps, and I didn't really, I don't know if I speculated about this in the book,

but perhaps part of this conquest, we may be seeing something like Genesis 6 also unfolding with the grays in that, in order for them to accomplish what they want to do on Earth, they have to also create hybrids that are human enough to appropriate human authority on on Earth.

Which is the Genesis 6 narrative. That is exactly, and I think that escapes a lot of people, that that's why the Watchers created hybrid offspring. They're human enough to rule. Human enough to appropriate the authority of Adam, to inherit the birthright of Adam, usurp dominion of the earth from mankind. So that's why Days of Noah has talked about,

maybe Jesus talks about the Days of Noah again. Yes, that's why I believe that there's, you know, and that's a very sort of, could mean a lot of different things, obviously. Wanna blow on it? Yeah, let's try it. Let's get some Tecmo Bowl going up in here. It's Tyson, we're gonna fight Tyson.

Give it to Tim, he's got a, he's got it. I haven't done this since I was a two. There we go. We'll plug it in. All right. All right, we're back. We're back, we're in. Did that many times.

Well, we gotta, we gotta keep going. Is he here? Is he here? Is he up? Is he live? Is he back there? He's got a... We don't know. He's probably... Oh, yeah. Get some juice!

There he is. We got to keep you awake. It's 7.30. This is. Where did you get this from? Oh, I don't know. That's not an age. That's Harry and the Henderson's right there. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah. Give it up for Bigfoot. He's been in that suit all night. I'm bringing Bigfoot home with me. I'm bringing Bigfoot home with me. I sure the boys would love it. Love it. What were we saying?

I don't remember. Oh, we blew on the game to restart. Yeah, yeah. We had some... We were in the East... We're talking about dominion of the earth and the... Yeah, in the context of... Yeah, so as...

As many people know, in my book I have this diagram where there's three dynamics that I envision coming together, and the convergence of these three dynamics is going to lead to the emergence of another golden age, or Genesis 6.2.0. The revealing of Apollo, the coming of the Antichrist, and the events that unfold at the end of the age. And these three dynamics are represented in three concentric circles that are coming together. So picture three circles that are being pushed together. These are the three things, And there could be some others as well, but these are the three ones that I focused on in the book. And these three things are certainly unfolding right now.

And they are, so this circle down here picture transhumanism, post-humanism, the post-human paradigm. We are rapidly moving towards a post-human paradigm on planet Earth, and that involves transhumanism and all of the biotechnologies that are going to, that are going to, make the wholesale transformation of human biology possible in the near future. So post-humanism is one of those concentric circles. The other one would be a new religion, a new religion that is a new religion for a post-human paradigm. So you have a post-human future coming, which means

something other than human beings are going to be inhabiting the earth, and you have a new religion growing in tandem with post-humanism. And that new religion, that new religion I call. apotheism. The reason why I call it apotheism is because apotheosis is the glorification, the deification of mankind, and theism is the belief in the gods. And I believe what we're going to see in the future is a religion that testifies that the gods exist and you can become like them. That's apotheism. It's apotheism. It's not just theism. It's apotheism, becoming like the gods, which was, of course, the very first proposition in the Garden of Eden. So, and then that third circle, that third concentric circle, is what I call the alien threat. And the alien threat would be the UFO phenomenon, particularly the grays. So when I say the alien threat, I am laser focused in on gray aliens, not just aliens in general, or terrestrials in general, whatever factions may be out there. I'm talking about the grays, and I'm referring specifically to the abduction phenomenon.

Because that represents a clear and present danger for mankind. our government absolutely knows about it and perhaps has been complicit to some degree. And I'm referencing here cryptically the created contract with Eisenhower in 1954. Now, what is the alien threat? So if you ask me, what is the relationship between gray aliens

and quote unquote fallen angels, or as I like to refer to them, the apostate sons of God, which I think is more accurate, or the insurgent sons of God? The answer to that question is, question is, I have no idea. Now, I postulate three alternatives in my book, and we don't have to talk about those. But let's focus in on the gray aliens for a minute, because I think

that's where the most confusion comes in. We can understand transhumanism and post-humanism. We can understand a new religion, apotheism, that the gods exist and you can become like them. But let's understand for a moment the alien threat, and why this factors in with these other dynamics. First of all, let's acknowledge the UFO controversy is over. There is no longer a controversy regarding the existence of UFOs. It ended in 2017 when the New York Times published the now infamous Nimitz incident in which a F-1 teen Hornet jet locked on with their gunship camera, locked on to a quote-unquote tick-tac-shaped,

object moving at incredible speeds. So not only did they see this object through the camera, if they actually were able to lock onto it, that means they could measure its velocity, its size. And this is an unprecedented leak from the Pentagon through the New York Times. That tick-tac-shaped object was, if you pause and look at a still of it, it's clearly a saucer, and it's flying in the Delta configuration that was explained by Baldassar. and you can see the gravity distortion around the craft also explained by Bob Lazar.

So that's also a confirmation of Lazar's story to some degree. The government, in this case, because the New York Times broke the article, because it spread like wildfire, the government did not try and put a lid on it. Rather, they tried to get a hold of the narrative. They tried to control the narrative. But a whole lot of stuff leaked out between 2017 and 2019, including the testimony of astrophysicist Eric Davis. Astrophysicist Eric Davis was a consultant to the Pentagon,

and he briefed Congress, and he told them that he had handled and examined materials from a craft that was not made on planet Earth in his estimation. Now, the Pentagon never refuted any of this. Indeed, it came out and verified that the Tic Tac footage was in fact real. And then other incidents leaked as well. So since 2017, we have begun, a very strange, slow, slow motion rollout of the disclosure of the alien presence.

Now, of course, they changed the nomenclature to UAP, unidentified aerial phenomenon. And there's reasons for that, and as many of you know, I'm not a huge fan of the UAP nomenclature. However, what we have now, we are living in a post-disclosure world at this point in time. The government has been framing UFO activity. in the context of a national security threat. In fact, we now have, and I forget what the committee's called, committee in Congress that is investigating the UFO phenomenon. I put that in air quotes because that doesn't give me a whole lot of confidence.

I think that all we're witnessing here is a controlling of the narrative. They want to make sure that they can control the narrative and that it's going to leak in the fashion that they wanted to. Because the genie's out of the box and he's not going back, or out of the bottle, and it's not going back. in. So all they can do at this point is trying to control the narrative, but disclosure has begun. And again, understand that it's being framed in the context of a national security threat. Now, let's zero in on gray aliens because not all UFOs are being piloted by gray aliens.

Some of them are not being piloted by anyone, probably artificial intelligence. They're probably very advanced drones. But you have other things in play. You have, aside from, extraterrestrial advanced aerospace vehicles, you also have reverse engineered hybridized craft that uses conventional components, like from our F-117 Nighthawk, for example, stealth fighter, with exotic components, components that we would have retrieved, reverse engineered from crash retrievals, UFO crash retrievers. So we have these hybrid craft out there that are flying around.

I believe I saw one of those in Brook Park, Ohio, about 12 years ago. After going to the GNC. It was right there, exactly. You could have hit the thing with the rock. You've all heard that story. It's 40 feet above my car. I think I saw one of these hybridized, conventional

and exotic component crafts. Now, so those are out there. There's no question about that. And the government doesn't want anyone known about those either. Then you have, aside from all the sightings, which have prosaic explanations, which are, in fact, balloons, hobby-lobby balloons,

President Biden likes to go around shoot down with $500,000 missiles. Aside from all that, so you have our craft, our reverse engineered hybrid ice craft. Then you have advanced aerospace vehicles, and they're also transmedium vehicles. In other words, they can go through the water in the same fashion they do through the air. In fact, they don't even make a splash when they come out of the water, which that, by the way, signals gravity distortion, which, again, Bob Lazare. He explained that. And some of these craft, I can't tell you what percentage,

but I can say with a high degree of confidence, some of these craft are being piloted by who I call. The terminology, the nomenclature that I use for these entities, this angelic race is the elder race. They are piloting some of these craft. Now, maybe some of you have heard Gary Sturman's story about, I won't tell it here, but for those of you who followed Prophecy Watchers, Gary Stairman at our conference in Branson that we did on the topic of aliens.

Gary Stairman, I think for the first time publicly told his story about when he's a pilot, when his prop plane was going down basically because he had electrical failures, a saucer came up beside him and saved him and stabilized his plane. And it was a big craft. It was a walnut-shaped craft. And he believes that the beings inside were benevolent, indeed, angels. So let's not forget that the good guys are also operating in our airspace and have been since the beginning.

So the good guys are out there from the angelic faction. But so are the bad guys from the angelic faction. They would be utilizing the same technology. So they're in play as well. So you've got our hybridized craft out there. You've got the angelic beings, good and bad, out there. And then you have the grays. You may have other things as well.

You don't have time to get into that. The grays. And I think that the grays account for the majority of the UFO sightings and for all of the alien abductions related to the program of hybridization, to the breeding program. Do you think that the grays are kind of sloppy

at their job sometimes? Yes, they are. Because, like, David Politis described like this UFO, like, bumping into a tree. Yes, they are. I was like, and do you know why? That's a good point, actually.

You know, in alien abductions, sometimes the abductees are returned to their beds with their clothes on backwards, with somebody else's clothes on, sometimes they're dropped out outside, dropped off on their patio, and they can't get back in the house and have to break back in with a patio chair or something like that. These are very, very fallible beings. Abductees muster enough strength that they can actually punch the grays in the face or grab them in the neck and strangle them for a moment. The grays don't have complete control at all times.

Most of the time, these are rare occasions. These are infallible beings. I mean, these are fallible beings. They make mistakes. They crash sometimes. Roswell, 1947. So... Seal, that's it.

It did happen. So you have all of the things. you have all of these different components going on, but the Gray's representing constitute the threat that I'm talking about in that concentric circle. And the government knows. And when I say the government, of course, I'm not referring to the deep state.

I'm referring to the dumb state. The dumb state referencing the deep underground military bases because knowledge of the alien program and of the alien presence is compartmentalized in the aerospace, the black budget aerospace programs with the military contractors. Why with military contractors? Because you can issue a FOIA request

to the Pentagon for just about anything, but not to a private entity. And so the government, offshores, so to speak, the development of some of this technology to aerospace, private aerospace companies, such as Lockheed Martin. Well, there's no rules of engagement or anything either, right?

No. You don't fly a flag. You don't have to do that. That's exactly right. And so that's why, like, Area 51, One isn't, you're not going to find U.S. soldiers guarding that base. You're going to find private contractors guarding that base, guarding the S4 facility and so forth,

because it's private contractors, aerospace companies, and private security companies that are operating those bases. So when you talk about the, when I talk about the alien threat, I'm talking specifically about gray aliens, the little gray guys, the big almond-shaped eyes, small grays are three-foot-tall, the tall grays are four-foot-tall, and then you have the insectilins,

and a variety of other things, too, that make appearances every now and again. And by the way, all of this stuff that I'm telling you right now is, I'm not just making it up, I'm expressing to you the material that's found in the compendium of competent abduction research, research that was done by men like Dr. John Mack, by Dr. Carla Turner, by the brilliant field investigator Bud Hopkins, by Dr. David Jacobs, highly educated, serious people with careers at stake,

and in Turner's case, she was actually an abductee, her family at stake, trying to figure out what's going on. Highly objective people, they didn't all draw the exact same conclusions, but they were all excellent researchers. And there is a body of evidence, and this evidence lends itself to scientific inquiry regarding alien abductions. And this evidence involves every kind of evidence that you can prove any case in a court of law, physical,

marks on the body, abductees come back with scoop marks and lacerations that were healed, and different kinds of... implants, implants, and of course babies in their wounds that weren't there. Even women who had never had sexual intercourse are suddenly pregnant, and they go to their gynecologist, find out they're pregnant, they track the baby for three months, and then it's gone after another abduction episode. That's hardcore evidence, implants, as hard- hard-core evidence, implants that are in the human body, that do not get rejected by the

human body, that do not cause swelling or infection, and in fact are on some occasions evasive. In other words, they move when you try to extract them. I refer you to the work of Dr. Roger Lear, with whom L.A. Marsouli worked extensively, and Lear was another one of those great researchers from which we can extract hardcore core data to lay a foundation, a factual foundation for the things that we're talking about. So when we talk about alien abductions, we're talking about the graves. And that is the threat that the government, and again, the dumb state, is very much aware of this threat.

And so when people talk about Project Bluebeam, which is a fake alien invasion or fake UFO invasion, my response, and we talked about this the other day on your show, the one that you haven't published yet, but this is part of what we talked about was. that there's no need for Project Blue Beam. You don't have to concoct a fake alien threat because you have a real one and you have all the receipts. So there's no reason to fake an alien incursion when you have the grays abducting millions of people

all around the world. It's exponential, by the way. The program is exponential. And it probably began in the late 1800s. And so it's been developing from the late 1800s, and they've been creating more and more advanced hybridized human alien beings that are slowly integrating in human society in order to do what, in order to maybe be inducted into the military,

into elements of our government and begin to rise up through the ranks until you have perhaps in the future a president of the United States that's a human alien hybrid. I don't know. I don't know what the purpose of the hybrids is, but I can tell you this, it's subversive. It's nefarious and it is clandestine. I think so far, based on this conversation,

we have three different groups flying the UFOs. We've got good angels, bad angels, fallen angels, what we want to call them, and graze. So just already we have three groups. And us. But us, too, yeah, four. And four. I didn't think about that.

You could just say angels, grays, and humans are flying around in advanced aerospace vehicles. Which makes all these rabbit holes difficult because you have four things going on at once. And that's just what we know of. Exactly. It could be other, creatures flying around.

Reptilians. I don't know. But that's why... Probably. Yeah. Well, I just think this is one battle I've chosen to kind of push back a little bit.

Like, we posted that sign. We just made that aliens are real. And everyone kind of was like, ah, you know, in our social media. I'm like, look, you know, I don't just throw that out there lightly. It's a joke on one of our... I know you've seen the yard sign sign out we had out there. But it's true. I mean,

aliens are real and it's okay to say that and to think that. Aliens are real and it's okay. It's a T-shirt. It's a T-shirt. Along with a dumb state, right? We have some merch plant.

Dumb state. That's right. I get royalties for that. It's not okay for a lot of people and even sometimes I'm like, is that? Yeah, it's okay. I think we've reasonably established the fact that that extraterrestrials

are presumed within the biblical narrative, you would be very hard-pressed to gainsay that fact. And no demons are flying UFOs. And we have also demonstrated that the nature of

unclean spirits is antithetical to that of gray aliens. In other words, these are beings who are displaying characteristics that are the very opposite, the polar opposite of a gray alien. We've also established that gray aliens though not demons in the traditional sense are in fact demonic, nefarious, that what they're doing is...

Not benevolent. They're not benevolent. That what they're doing is detrimental to the human species, certainly not beneficial. And now we've also established, and I say this confidence because it's a plain fact, that the government has officially acknowledged the existence of UFOs in the traditional sense in that we're looking at vehicles not made on this earth, or at least advanced aerospace vehicles that constitute alien technology,

that were not created by human beings or through the agency of human intelligence. Now, all of that is very astounding when you begin to put it all together. And now, from my own perspective, when confronted with a UFO, as I was in Park, Ohio some years ago, rather than looking at it and just sort of shooing it away as some sort of a supernatural phenomenon,

now I have a few more buckets to sort of categorize things and start to maybe begin to maybe learn a little bit more about what exactly may be going on because I've now broadened my horizon. In other words, I have this conception in my mind that it could be us, it could be angels. In the case of Gary Sturman, I definitely, if you can find that, Gary's testimony, It's fascinating. It could be angels or it could be grays. And so even just starting there, I find that it helps a lot of people

to begin to start to see the complexity of the phenomenon rather than just automatically reacting with one category. Demon. That's demon. That's demonic. That's a demon because that's not bringing clarity to the... Or even demon and deception.

That was almost right. Exactly. The phenomenon is real and it's extremely complex. One thing, Tim, what I love when we have our discussions is that as we tie them up, I love how you bring these things back to the gospel. And I would love, like in sort of our closing minutes here, contextually put these things that we've talked about

and then tie that up with a God, because I love when you do this, because I think we tackle very complex ideas and theories that there's a, like, Like you said, there's a ton of evidence for objectively, but you said something earlier, which I think is just so profound, the greatest story is the gospel message. And so as only Tim Alvarino can do, would tie this up with the gospel. In seven minutes?

Yeah, I believe in you, bro. I think you can do it. You can go over. Well, I guess the best way to do this is to return to these three concentric circles that I was talking about and sort of unpacking the alien threat, right? that is clear and present and real. It is the gray alien threat. But we now have established also

that you have these other factions out there, including the good guys, right? And the bad guys. I'm going to throw one more into the mix. I was going to ask you that. So who else? We got a fifth option here. We have a fifth option.

How about modern-day Nephilim? How about hybrids that are not gray alien hybrids, rather the offspring of the dragon and his angels who populate with human women and do a whole Genesis 6, 2.0 thing at the end of the age. That's another category that gets thrown into the mix here. Just dropping stuff at the very end.

And so the reason why this is important, and I think this is the best way to answer your question of five minutes and 48 seconds. No, you can go. You can go. It's because what is going to be the human response to this threat? What is going to be the response to the government? We're already acknowledging that this is a national security threat.

That narrative is not going away. Don't be distracted by all this stupid balloon stuff. That narrative is not going away. Yeah. It is going to burgeon. It is going to grow. And this is a threat from outside of what did Reagan say? He often contemplates how we would react.

It would unify. How do you say it outside of, from outer space, I think, the term he used, how it would unify the nations. Well, we got one, okay? It's a real threat. It's not a project blue beam. It's a real threat. It is the gray alien threat.

And so this threat, as it becomes known, And as it becomes disclosed, the nation, the only way to confront that kind of a threat, a threat from outside, from outer space, in Reagan's words, is to consolidate the nations, to consolidate the military prowess of mankind on planet Earth to try and repel this alien threat. And the bad news is that there's no way that we can win that battle. There's no way. A, because the greys are in possession of technology that is exceedingly more advanced in anything we can currently build, even our hybridized craft. And B, because they have been covertly integrating themselves via their hybrids into human society, and we don't know who they are or where they are or what their endgame is.

So to put it in sophisticated terms, we're screwed. and we're going to recognize this. We're going to recognize this. And at some point, in my estimation, this is what I unfold in the book. And we're going to be in the unique position where we are going to need a savior. I was going to talk a little bit about the creative thing. Go ahead, go ahead. Well, those of you who maybe are familiar right here.

Go ahead and switch it to a different pocket? Okay. So those of you who are familiar with the greeta, affair, the Eisenhower created contract affair. Very, very quickly, 1954, Eisenhower was on vacation in Palm Springs, California, golfing. And he had a dental emergency, allegedly, and they wished him off to a dentist's office. But even his great-granddaughter, to this day, says that the story I'm about to tell you is actually what happened, and the dentist thing was a cover. Because he didn't go to the dentist's office. Instead, he went to Edwards Air Force Base,

Edwards Air Force Base, rather. And that day at Edwards Air Force Base, they were doing some drills, artillery drills, and they actually fired on two saucers that landed on the base, but they missed them. But the saucers landed on the base, and Eisenhower, allegedly, according to this story,

that's part of UFO lore, which, by the way, I know the best eophologists in the business, and they all believe this story is real. And these are very highly intelligent people who I have a great deal of respect for. And they all believe this story is real. So Eisenhower met with a faction of gray aliens, a delegation of gray aliens in Edwards Air Force Base. And the grays, let me back up, actually, before Eisenhower met with the grays, he was contacted by another faction. This is the part of

the story I wanted to tell. He was contacted by another faction, a benevolent, spiritually advanced faction who looked like us. And this faction warned him not to get in bed with the greys. But Eisenhower said, but the greys are going to give us technology. And we need that technology, because that was going to be the deal, was that the grays were going to give us technology, and what were we going to give in return for technology? Wives. 10-6.

Ah. We were going to... Home run pies. We were going to authorize the grays to abduct our citizens. What? Authorize the grays to abduct our citizens. And the grays were supposed to inform us about who they're abducting and what they were doing, which they never did. So Eisenhower apparently struck this deal, but this other faction warned him beforehand not to get in bed with the grays, not to strike a deal with the grays.

But we needed technology. We were beginning to get into this cold war with Russia. Was Kennedy trying to tell us about this? Probably. And other things. So the response was that these benevolent beings told Eisenhower that we can't give you technology. You're not spiritually advanced. In fact, we want you to disarm your nuclear weapons.

Right? And there's no way that Eisenhower is going to do that when the USSR was. was stockpiling nukes. So that's the story. And again, as crazy as that sounds, the best euphologists in the field believe it's true.

Because there's documentation, as I said, Eisenhower's great-granddaughter, affirmed the story. There's even some confirmation with Jackie Gleason and Nixon and that's a whole other story. But the point is that it sets the stage

for what I think is going to happen at the end of the age. That benevolent faction that was spiritually more advanced, they're the ones who are going to show up to save us from the graves. Why am I so confident that this is going to happen? Because the Vatican is already laying the theological foundation for mankind to receive our alien saviors from outer space. And has been saying Guy Cosmonago, for example, that we will baptize aliens, nay, they will baptize us. Because they'll be morally superior

and they will constitute this race that is more virtuous than us, more technologically advanced, and that at some point in time they are going to show up on the scene to deliver mankind from some kind of a cataclysmic or catastrophic event, whether that be,

the gray alien threat or a natural disaster or the combination of both of these things, I don't know. But I do know that we have a gray alien threat, so it sets the stage, especially when you add in the Greta contract story. What we have is a scenario that's beginning to slowly unfold in which mankind is faced with this truly existential, extraterrestrial threat, for which we have no recourse, we have no way to repel, to defeat these enemies of mankind. It's the perfect scenario for these extraterrestrial saviors to make their appearance. And they will be received as the Muslims will receive them as

him. There will be, I believe that they will be led by Apollo, who is the Antichrist. And he will be received as the Mahdi by the Muslims, as the second. coming with whatever coming of Buddha and by the Christians as the Messiah. So it is because of the very real threat, the gray alien threat, because of the theological positioning at the Vatican, that it is my hypothesis that in that moment, in our moment of greatest danger as it pertains to the alien threat, these entities are going to show up on the scene

and deliver us from this threat. which they will be able to do. And that these entities, and here's the fourth category that I'm throwing in the mix, will not, in my estimation, be the dragon and his angels. Rather, it will be Apollo and his consort, who are the offspring of the devil and his angels and human women. Genesis 6, 2.0. And that those, the beast and his kings, as the book of Revelation,

describes it will lead mankind ultimately into open kinetic war with God. And we jumped, I mean, we skipped over a whole lot of details in between, but we are out of time. I love it, Tim. I love it. Thank you. But, and I really, I really think, like, I was thinking about this when we were saying that, that, you know, I think this is why, you know, these conversations are so impactful to people, because you can take this alien threat serious, but then at the same time you can take your savior way more serious as well, because it's so much more hardcore, and it's something you need to do

because these things are coming. And I think a lot of times we grow up in this sort of patty cake kind of Christianity where it's like, no, there's real threats, and they're right outside your door sometimes. And I didn't really have time to come full circle around to how to end this on on the gospel, but I think we all know how Armageddon ends. Yeah. Because the Son of God comes to the earth and vanquishes the armies of the beast. That is the end of the story.

And I think we're all very familiar with that. That's it.