Blurry Creatures - EP: 278 The Mystery Schools with Dr. Michael Lake

Episode Date: November 5, 2024

In this episode, Dr. Michael Lake delves into the fascinating world of ancient mystery schools, tracing their hidden wisdom, rituals, and symbols back to the era of King Solomon. He explores how these secretive societies may have safeguarded powerful knowledge, some of which has echoed through various occult traditions and mystical teachings over centuries. Dr. Lake examines Solomon's reputation not only as a wise king but also as a potential master of ancient, esoteric secrets—practices that some believe continue to influence societies today.  COSTA RICA TICKETS! https://www.eventcreate.com/e/costarica2025 You can get our book of Enoch here: https://amzn.to/3xriiUB Support the show! www.blurrycreatures.com/members Socials instagram.com/blurrycreatures facebook.com/blurrycreatures twitter.com/blurrycreatures Music Kyle Monroe: tinytaperoom.com & Parker Mogensen Outro Song: On the Run by TimeCop1983 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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you like love signs and wonders and the spectacular more than you love meat. And right now, the body of Christ has spectacularly failed the test. We need to be awakened to this fact that there's so much going on in the church today that the mystery religions, whether it's New Age, Kabbalah, Freemasonry, Rosicristianism, I mean, there's a whole litany of these. When we begin taking aspects of those, that is spiritual poison that weakens the body that will actually cause us to resonate with the Antichrist when he shows up. In Genesis 6, it said that man's thoughts were continually evil. That's what this dark wisdom does. I can't imagine this being so consumed with evil and power. That is all you concentrate on.

But this was globally that it had so become a toxic environment. And I mean, when you go back several things that I've stumbled across, and some of this is from people like Steve Quayle and others, there were observatories, there were universities. There are technologies during the antediluvian age that are still beyond our capabilities today. And there are Indiana Jones type of archaeological races between us, China, Russia, and other major countries

looking for antediluvian technology to enhance the technologies that we have. And so I think we need to take a hard look across the board, see where we have been bit by the mystery religion bugs, see where the enemy has come in. Mike, are you saying we should get rid of all technology? No, but you better start praying over it. The history of our Earth is so different from what we can imagine. It's a Smithsonian.

that if they found out about a large skeleton somewhere was to go get it. I'm going to assume at least one person is right, because if one person's right, it bust the paradigm. It all goes back to the fallen chair. And the problem with the modern day church, they have a very truncated view of the supernatural. This backdrop is just pregnant with all kinds of meaning associated with this Mount Herman event.

And this guy defects from the kingdom. That's a big deal. Welcome back in the show. We've been talking about ancient times a lot. Kind of go back and forth between modern sightings and a lot of the ancient stuff on our show. And getting into some more context today, we're talking about mystery religions, things that Solomon knew, and kind of all the esoteric wisdom and knowledge that has been sort of was handed down to us back in the day, probably in a more practical terms.

And now it seems to be hidden, but yet still practiced in different circles. but we're getting Dr. Michael Lake on the show today, and he's going to take us through that. And it's not Solomon's treasure. It's not as interesting. Is finding the golden chalice that's been dug up from the earth. But it does play a huge role into why things always feel so satanic. And people say that all the time.

That feels satanic. That feels satanic. Well, why? What is that? What are you describing when you say that? We really have touched on elements of this on our show, Nate, but not really addressed what we, what's considered the mystery religions head on.

And Dr. Lake connected this to Solomon, which I think is really fascinating. And we've talked about Solomon on the show. Of course, you referenced when we talked about his treasure, for example, but the wealthiest man that ever lived, 700,000 women, and was the wisest man that ever lived. But in all of that, like every other character in the Bible, he has these moments of doubt and he goes in, and he actually pursues this forbidden mystery religion knowledge.

And that's in the same way that we see Nimrod. So Dr. Lake takes us through this story because this is something that hasn't gone away, right? This is something that is absolutely ramping up, whether it be the New Age, Freemasonry, et cetera, in our time. It's woven himself into the church, it's woven itself into Christian doctrine. It's woven itself into these places. And so we need to see this for what it is. And this is a fascinating story of the beginning is the end. And, you know, where did this knowledge come from?

And how was it collected? Where was it collected? And where is it still living? and bubbling and poisoning you managed today. And we had Dr. Lake on the show before. We've really been trying to get him back on, and we finally got our schedules to Alliance. So it's great to have Dr. Michael Lake back on the show.

He's written extensively about the Tower of Babel, about the Antichrist and the Man of Perdition, and this fits right into the wheelhouse of understanding ancient history to understand our modern day. I love it. I love getting these topics. Yeah, me too. Especially for all the haters out there that say,

we're secret masons, Luke. Secret Masons with a Masonic symbol. We get it all the time, but we're going to blow a hole in all that and expose sort of the roots of the Masons and get into some of this esoteric mystery religions, which is what we've heard about a lot over the years. But thanks for being a listener of our podcast

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And it's a pleasure to weekly discuss these topics and talk about all of the weird and all the ancient and really look at it through a biblical worldview. So great to have you aboard. And let's get Dr. Michael Lake on the show. All right. Welcome back to Blurry Creatures. Thanks to Dr. Michael Lake for coming back on Blurie Creatures, taking us back to Solomon. We just actually did an episode. We're going to talk about Solomon today in the mystery religions.

But we did an episode recently with Jim Barfield on Solomon's treasure. Apparently, he knows where it is. talking about the treasure. We're talking about the knowledge, the wisdom, and we just actually put out a book of Enoch, so we've been talking about the watchers a lot lately, and I know this all kind of ties together, this ancient knowledge that we talk about. We go back to the sort of the biblical times a lot on our show and try to make sense of what that landscape look like, what people were talking about, and how that's still influencing kind of behind the scenes today. It was a little bit more out in the open back in the days of no one and before, and we know that it's kind of lingering

today, but we always like to go back to those times and talk about. So it's going to be a good conversation, I know, but welcome back. And that was the same pre-roll, Dr. Lake. We had John, and you've written a number of bestselling books, including the Shinar Directive, the Shireth Imperative, Kingdom Priesthood, etc. And in our original episode, it's really about Babel and the planes of Shinar and the things that happened there. And always when we have folks on that are just have so much depth to their work and the 10,000 hours, I feel like we, in the beginning, we just sort of do an overview and kind of scratched the surface on all the things that you've spent all this time on.

And we don't really get to deep dive. But I knew you'd been talking about Solomon recently. And as Nate said, he's known for really for not only his riches and the things he built, including the temple after David, but for his wisdom. And one of the things that you've been talking about lately and you and your wife talked about recently on your website was he's involved with the mystery religions, which is something that we haven't really talked about on the show. Nate, we haven't really, we've talked a bit about Babylon and the things that came out of there, but we haven't really dove into what that is. And we know that a lot of that is connected to the things that we see today, whether it be the New Age and Freemasonry, especially. But we'd love for you to take us back to this and where the mystery religions come from

and how Solomon wraps himself up into this, because we know that he famously asks God for wisdom when God asks him what he wants. But somewhere in that space, he started looking for the other wisdom, if you will, kind of the other, eaten from the tree. This just goes back to the garden, right? It's the same thing. And he finds himself in this space where it wraps into the watchers in Nimrod, the tower, all of the things that we've talked about.

Nate said it in the show all the way back to the days of Noah and before. So welcome back, Dr. Lake. Great to have you. Start us wherever you want because I just think this is such an interesting. I think it's also pertinent conversation considering the church and where we find ourselves today. But as always, we have to go back to understand what's happening, you know, to go forward, to understand what's happened today. Sometimes it feels like when you get that phone bill, it's like the crash site document.

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And I think that wrapped up in what's in the tour, the first five books of the Bible, there are a lot of clues of what we're going to be facing in the last days. So the story of Nimrod and all that, I think, plays crucial because I believe the son of perdition is the return to Nimrod. He's the one who was, who is not, and yet he is to come. And so that plays a central on this. And I think even James, the Apostle, looking back at Solomon, in his epistle, he talks about dark wisdom.

He said there's a wisdom that does not come from above and that it's dark. and it will do a lot of things to corrupt humanity. Nimrod was the first one, I believe, that tried to rebuild Atlantis. And I believe that this whole Atlantean thing is really talking about the antediluvian age and the age of the watchers, to where the watchers and the Nuffulam ruled the planet. They brought a combination of mysticism and scientism, which if you really look at what's going on in the world today, it is mysticism and scientism that is corrupting everything. it's technocracy. And what's interesting is a lot of the ones that were the foundation of even

developing modern scientific technique, like Sir Francis Bacon, were all occultists. Yeah. So at the same time, they say, this must be observable and repeatable. They were trying to channel demonic spirits to get forbidden knowledge. Yeah. And so there has been this blending. In a sense, it's always been this way. Now, you know, we know the story of Solomon. 20 years old, he's handed the keys to the kingdom in Israel.

and at that time he possessed enough smarts that he would do what most 20-year-olds would not do today. He confessed before God, I don't even know how to come out and go in. Yeah. To the modern 20-year-old thinks that they know absolutely everything and that they're unteakable, and they have done 10 minutes worth of research, and therefore they are a scholar. Okay. He started out good, but, you know, in Ecclesiastes, Ecclesias is a very important book because it's really a critique on the,

the mystery religions. Interesting. Because his father, David, had gotten the cedar to build his palace from Tyre, a Phoenician king named Hiram of Tyre. Hiram of Tyre, we find in the Masonic Lodge, he's called Hiram Abiff. And so it's time to build the temple. They're getting, they're getting cedar from Hiram. He's beginning to develop this relationship.

And in this process, he gets bit by the mystery religion bug. It's like the wisdom of God was not enough. Yeah. And it really speaks to where we are in the church today. Francis Schaefer in his book, the coming evangelical disaster kind of hints on it. And what's interesting, he wrote this, I think, back in 85, if I remember right, and I'm having people, you know, write me and say, you know, Schaefer was prophetic. No, he was a scholar that could see the handwriting on the wall, okay?

He could see where we were going. The charismatic movement was invaded by the, by the, by the, new age, about the late 70s, early 80s. We have the Baptist movement infiltrated by Freemasonry. In fact, when you start researching what's scary is how many 33rd degree Freemasons are presidents of Baptist seminaries? Absolutely blows my mind. Do you think a lot of them know that like the roots of Freemasonry, like how far it goes or they start the surface part of Freemasonry? You have to be willfully ignorant, although the very first ritual that you go through now. They don't tell you anything. Okay, you can't tell until you become initiated. But what

they don't tell you is that word per word, step by step, to be initiated in the Blue Lodge is the exact same ritual to be initiated as a witch. Oh, wow. And it's called being hoodwinked. Okay. You're winked by the devil, and you come to a trapezoid-shaped altar, which is the altar of Nimrod. It shows the, it represents the unfinished work at Nimrod. And you say, it's from here, I'm going to get light. And so there's a spiritual deception that goes on from the very beginning. And then in the blue lines you go up and you're told that there is a Trinity within Freemasonry and it's Jabalon, which, you know, it's Osiris and Bayo and Yahweh. They try to blend together and to create a God. You're told that the secret password to get into heaven is abadden.

You know, I kind of remember that work out of the book of Revelation where there's a creature it comes out of the pit. So if you know the word of God at all, man, you should be having a red flags going up. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and as you said, Dr. Lake, I don't think you get to the 33rd degree oblivious to what's happening, right? Like, I mean, I think that the fascinating thing about Freemasonry, it's this cycle, right? This sort of staircase, if you will, where it presents itself as like a boys club or civic club where you go with your pals, like the Elks or, you know, and who knows what they do either. But, like, you go and you have dinner and you do, like, things with other guys that it's fraternal. But once you get into this, as you say, like you start doing these rituals, you have to be completely obtuse or delusional to not really understand it's a right.

There's a ritualistic thing that's happening. And you don't get all the way to a 33rd degree. And that's frightening to hear that folks that sit in places of power. And it makes a lot of sense if you're the darkness. And places of power within church infrastructure are actually in Master Mason's. And what's his name? Eddn Decker actually became 33rd degree. It was right after he got saved.

He has now become an apologist, you know, teaching against Freemasonry, but most guys don't read their books. Okay, I have read Morals and Dogma. I have an esoteric copy that has the index in the back. I've, I've read the lost keys of Freemasonry where it says that when a Mason masters is craft that the seething power of Lucifer is flowing in his hands. I mean, I've read, I've read all this stuff that most Mason don't read. They're looking at a fraternity and to be truthful. I've even seen people have snuck in and filmed some of their rituals. Yeah, I've seen some of that. They're hokey. No, and I've read where occultists have come in and they say, listen, the Freemasons do it as a very amateurish, more fraternity, college, folks thing, that if they

really knew what they were doing, it's like an occultist goes through that initial ritual, he will put focus, emotion, and concentration into it, and that first ritual is supposed to open up the third eye. But if it happens when a Freemason does it, it's really by accident because they don't even understand what they're doing for the most part. Yeah, it's like, it's like Christmas Eve. You're reading the instructions, putting things together. And you're like, I don't really know what this, what the screws are here for, right? But we're just, we're just putting this thing together because we're following the instructions. There's always an extra bag of extra part. Always. You're like, who needs this, right? No, but that seems like a funny analogy, but it really,

they're just doing, they're kind of just sort of plotting along in something, as you say, that is actually very specifically powerful. Is it an indictment against the church that we, we have lost the fraternity aspect of that's supposed to be a part of the church that because the camaraderie of men that should be in the church is not there. In fact, we have done a very good job of emasculating the church. It seems like Satan infiltrates groups all the time, you know, whether it's, you know, any popular group, anything that rises to the surface, it seems like slowly people get involved, like Congress and Senate. I mean, now people are kind of realizing like our media, are groups of politicians.

There's like some people seem to have like a gun to their head in a room from these people, say, do what I tell you. And do the mystery religion start as a group of like a fraternal organization from the beginning? Is it kind of what we see today? Is there these groups of men that come together and they promise each other, okay, well, if you join this club, you'll get some benefits from this. And I think that's the allure is the benefits of knowledge, wisdom, and being a part of a club, right?

It's, you have a fraternity, and if you go up for a job and there's a mason setting on the other side of the desk, you're guaranteed that job. It's crazy. And so it's like, hey, we'll take care of you. We'll always make sure you have a well-paying job, just be a part of the fraternity, and they don't tell you the rest. But, you know, we have that creeping in. We have the new age creeping in.

We have, guys, I have caught, you know, I'm a theologian first, okay? I and since I've read all this stuff my radar is always up okay yeah listening to some of the preachers on TV I have had them quote moral and dogma calling it revelation from God I have had them teaching things from the cabala that then I mean and Jewish roots of the Hebrew heritage group has really gone into that they've gone into Talmudic stuff rather than returning back to Moses, and we're being attacked on every front. And I think the key here is Ecclesiastics speaks to us in Ecclesiastics 1, verse 17, Solomon called it madness and folly. On the other end of it, he called it madness and folly. And just like he was not satisfied with the wisdom,

and one of the things I, and I'm spirit-filled, okay, so I do believe I'm not a cessationist. I'm also very biblical in everything that I do. Anything that is of the spirit is subjective to the Word of God. Okay. We have, there are ebbs and flows when the Spirit of God is moving, and then there are times that he pulls back. Okay. And we see these ebbs and flows historically. And when he kind of tends to pull back, it's a test. Because when he pulls back, you will have the enemy come in. And Moses said, listen, there's prophets going to come now. It's very easy to tell a false prophet because what he says doesn't come to pass. But that's not the test.

What's the test is when everything he says comes to pass, but he starts teaching you another way, I'm testing you to see whether you like love signs and wonders and the spectacular more than you love meat. And right now the body of Christ has spectacularly failed the test. And we need to be awakened to this fact that. there's so much going on in the church today that the mystery religions, whether it's New Age, cabala, freemasonry, resurrectionism, I mean, there's a whole litany of these. When we begin taking aspects of those, that is spiritual poison that weakens the body that will actually cause us to resonate with the Antichrist when he shows up.

When Solomon, so we're back to Solomon, when he encounters Hiram for the cedar, these mystery religions are already, they're already fragmented at this point because we're Nimrodos Babel, but like for folks that are kind of learning about the genesis of the mystery religions, where does this begin? It's funny because you talked about the fraternal thing, which I think is

fascinating, because my first thought when you think about guys coming together, sharing knowledge and sort of taking an oath, it sounds a lot like what happens at Mount Hermann. Yeah, it does. It sounds a lot like these angels that decide we're going to swear an oath. Yeah. Yeah. We're going to do this thing We've got to stick together to get it done type of thing.

I would love to bring us to where we get to a Solomon because he's at a point where he's seeking wisdom and all these things are fragmented at that point. But it begins, right, with the watchers, right? And then it's, I want you to take us down this way because I think this is so important because when we're talking about Freemasonry and it's fullness now in 2024, it came from somewhere, right? And you talk about Hiram of Tyre and the Cedar and that's who Solomon encounters and those things. are really fascinating connection because this is the godfather, if you will, of Freemasonry, this is the person that they put on the site.

There's a master, the master mason they put on a pedestal. But before this, where does, you know, where does all this come from? And how do we get downstream all the way to Solomon trying to acquire this? Welcome to Sephora. I'm looking for a perfume that's not too perfuming.

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And I mean, when you go back, several things that I've stumbled across, and some of this is from people like Steve Quayle, others. There were observatories, there were universities. There are technologies during the antediluvian age that are still beyond our capabilities today. And there are Indiana Jones type of archaeological races between us, China, Russia, and other major countries looking for antediluvian technology to enhance the technologies that we have. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. We've talked a little bit about this, like Tomb of Gilgamesh and these places. This is fascinating. I love you bringing this up because we have an episode on this.

We did with Dr. Judd Burton where he kind of pointed out these different places that were discovered. And in the midst of these discoveries, there's a war breaks out, right? And you have this sort of race to find this tech. And I think people, what's fascinating about this is, as you say, like the watchers show up and what they do according to First Enoch is they take wives and they trade knowledge and technology, right? And then you talked about this is the, these are the same things that the Sumerians call, and the Babylonians call the Anunnaki, right? These are just the watchers,

right? And that's really been a buzzword because you have this whole ancient aliens, which feels like a cult. It is a cult. No, it's an alien's cult thing that's going on right now about about them and sort of this rewriting of that story, but it's really the watchers. I'm so glad you brought that up because we talk about the Antiluvian themes a lot on our show. People are really interesting. We talk about giants and the Nephilim and all these things. But yeah, there's this tech part of that. I mean, what do you think that kind of technology they had. What have you come across with Steve and these other other people that are doing work here? What do you think that they had? Cortal technology. In fact, there's evidence,

and I can't remember if I documented in the Shinar director from the Shereath. One of the judgments we find in Enoch is that the Nefflin would go to war with each other. There is actually physical, archaeological evidence of not only refining of aluminum for building craft and weapons that we see in South America that goes to the antediluvian age. We also see that there's evidence of nuclear explosions and warfare that went on. There was a jewelry that was found in Egypt, so it predates Moses, okay, quite a bit. It is basically the exact same thing that we have in Nevada where they did atomic explosions and it melted the sand. It's atomic glass. Wow. But it's in, you know, 6,000-year-old jewelry out of Egypt. Yeah, how do you, we can't explain that a way. Especially

be the only way to make that glass is with an atomic explosion. I just really, read the book of the Watchers like a couple days ago, and I was thinking about it while I was reading it. He's been reading a lot how we put this book out. And this technology comes from heaven, right? They teach human beings, these things that we're not supposed to know. So I guess the question a lot of people have is, where do you cross the line? Because clearly, you know, they're getting it from somewhere else, but how they use the technology. It's like giving a kid a gun, right? It's like the gun isn't a bad thing for an adult who understands how to use it. right, to protect or to hunt or to whatever, it's when it's used poorly. So a lot of people wonder,

where's the line crossed? Why is this technology inherently bad? I think it's the type of technology. Okay, genetics flesing. Sure. God never wanted our DNA to be tampered with. I do believe there's a shelf life on our DNA that as we get, I think that's why transhumanists are going so crazy because they know the half-shelf life of the human DNA is about to be reached and they're looking to augment it or to go to DNA 2.0 maybe a triple helix which i think is also watcher dna and effluent DNA uh by the way you you mentioned the uh the zigerot of gilgamesh i had one of my students was one of the special forces that seized it and he called me sitting on the on the throne of sodom hussein with his sat phone and said hey doctor like you wouldn't

believe what i did last night that's wild oh my gosh They captured the Ziggurat and they had an archaeological team in place to go in there and to get the remains of Gilgamesh, as well as raiding the museum in Baghdad. Yeah, because didn't like 90% of the artifacts disappear? Like they only recovered 10%. Exactly. And I think the whole reason we went into Iraq is Saddam Hussein wouldn't share the goodies, man. Yeah. Well, I mean, yeah, it makes a lot of sense because a lot of these guys, you know, you always hear like the bushes or the skull and bones.

and all these things. Let me ask you this. You talked about nuclear war, which I think is fascinating because my first thought with that too is like the Indian Vedas. These ideas, there's talk in those

about Flying Craft for one, which is interesting because it sort of harkens back to the time of the gods, which would be antediluvian times. And there's stuff in there that also sort of seems to lend itself to a nuclear encounter. And we know that part of the

the judgment against the watchers was that their progeny would would war and destroy and kill each other and then ultimately god floods the earth to end all of that but fascinating i mean fascinating idea especially considering we have sanskrit stuff that talks sort of about that we have nuclear glass in the egypt yeah as nays said it's interesting right you have this sharing of technology and and you said something fascinating like maybe think of the nazis as well is that you know with sir francis bacon as an occultist we know the nazis were channeling and they were so when when we took took Berlin, as we as the Allies took Berlin, the things that we found that they were creating

were so far advanced over what the ally technology that a lot of people have hypothesized pragmatically, I think, as well that these were, that they were actually channeling to acquire technological knowledge. Oh, absolutely. When you look at the curse of the watchers and how long that they would be incarcerated, okay, and you bring it out on the timeline, they would have begun being released. and I believe they were not all released at once. In fact, I think in the book Revelation,

we see where the final four released from Tigers and Euphrates River, they come out with a great vengeance, but about the turn of the 20th century. And what's interesting in America, I think that it's important for our listeners to understand this, is that what was going on before the flood was not only advanced technologies, but how to control the minds of men, corrupt men, nation building.

They had built an empire, okay, of the gods, kind of thing, that all of a sudden, I think it was 1892, they almost closed down the patent office in the United States because they said everything that could be invented had been invented. You get to about the time and you look and you can even see in the esoteric societies in the 19th century, they released eugenics, evolution, spiritism, and began sowing the seeds of technocracy in the century before. All that came into a perfect storm with the Nazi Germany.

Okay, that was their testing ground. So they knew that they couldn't get their stuff done until they added the final piece of the puzzle. That was the return of the watchers and their technologies. And we have been in a technological explosion ever since. That's crazy. And in 100 years, we went from horse and buggy to put men on the moon. I was going to say, my grandmother's 92,

and the things that she's seen is insane to think about. Like, yeah, like from a Model T to, you know, the things that we have to a Tesla truck or whatever you want, wherever you want to take that, right? Like, it's from, you know, black and white television, and I remember going to my grandparents' house, and they'd ask the kids to go and turn the channels that had, you know, eight channels to, and it's been its explosion, superconductors and microchips and more so than in the previous recorded history. There's been more advancements in the last hundred years. Well, it seems like it, it seems like it always is a rip-off of heaven, no matter what it is, like a human.

human beings have always sort of been given this backdoor pass to figure out more and more and more. And, you know, some of these UFOs crash and we find it here on our plane. And then we kind of reverse engineer whatever this technology is. It doesn't, isn't from here. And you're talking about refining aluminum. And the first thing I thought about was when they tested some of the Roswell. We had a guy on that had a piece of the Roswell crash. And it was a professor tested it.

And it was a type of aluminum. But it wasn't something that we knew. It was just a type. and it kind of fit into that vein, and it makes me think that this advanced technology isn't just, like, spiritual, it's actual physical things that they're making as well, that it's kind of a technology that goes all the way across the board,

which makes me think of like, so is heaven, Dr. Michael, like is heaven like Earth in the sense that they, you know, because they taught us weapons, which means if they knew how to make weapons, then there's weapons in heaven. What are they doing with these weapons? You know what I mean? Like, if we reverse, walk this backwards,

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It's something completely different. But it sounds when you go back in ancient times that there is this echo that it is kind of like here, but greater. I think there's two things going. I do think heaven has technology, okay? But one of the things that the occult teaches is that when these angels,

they lost certain aspects. And so they use their knowledge to create technology to compensate for what they were lacking, what they did wrong. And so we kind of have that too. But with that, I mean, when they do things, they bring about, there is a corruption with that. Okay. It's like when you go and you set down with a teacher, and he's not only teaching you how to fish or how to hunt or whatever, he's also teaching you basic philosophy.

and if it's a good man, he'll teach you good things. If it's a bad person, it's, here's how you use all this to manipulate people and get what you want and to appease the function. There's a darkness that comes with it. Yeah, it's like all the gender stuff in California right now. They're trying to teach kids things that is way, you don't think about these things until later in life. And it's like, it's, most people are in outrage because these are kids. Stop talking about sexuality to kids. Let kids be kids.

And then they'll think about this stuff later on in life. life. If this would have happened in 1950, there would have been a lot of dads would have beat the snot out of a lot of teachers. Oh, 100%. Like, how dare you teach this junk to my children? But they have slowly been, you know, it's the frog in the kettle. Because when we look at transgenderism, transgenderism is in all the mystery religions. It was the priesthood of anana and it goes. And so there is a religious aspect to it. That all the priests, of let's say Astoroth. We're all transgender. And so there's a spiritual aspect.

And okay, now God judged it. There are certain times that God steps in. He says, I've had enough. We see it in Genesis 6. We see it in the book of Revelation. So there's going to be a twinning of that there. Okay. We get to Nimrod.

Nimrod becomes a gibbering. The first time Gibram is used in the Bible is that the Nephilim became known as Gibram. Okay. First time that there were men of renown. The second time it's used is talking about Nimrod that he had transmuted himself. He had made himself into a hybrid, okay, which opened himself up to other knowledge. It begins to try to rebuild Atlantis. And then I think the principalities and powers.

that God handed humanity over to at the rebellion of the Tower of Bebel, came in league with Nimrod in trying to rebuild what the watchers had done. And God came down and said, listen, if I let them do it, they're going to be able to do whatever they set their heart to. And not only did he confuse the language, but he fragmented the knowledge. And not only fragmented the knowledge, he set there, there's kind of a antagonism between the various aspects of the mystery religions. Carl Tigrib has, I don't know if you've had him on your show yet. Yeah, we had Carl on.

One of the things, when we were sitting and talking one time at a conference, he talked about how he goes to UN and all these new agers and all these mistreligious. You know, guys, we got to get together. We got to get together. We got to unify. And they can never do it. You know why? The Tower of Babel is still into effect.

And it will be in effect until the son of perdition shows up, okay? That's still there. But God fragmented all that knowledge into various groups. And when you look in the ancient world, every king like Haramabif, or Haram Abif, he was also the, he was not only the king, but he was the high priest over the mystery religions. We even see this in Rome. Caesar was the Pontificus Maximus. He was the high priest over the mystery religions in Rome. And the Pope to this day still keeps that title.

Okay. And so the daughters of the kings would have been high priestesses in the. the mystery religions. And so Solomon says, okay, I'll start marrying these women. I can tell Israel's because, you know, if I marry his daughter, he's not going to come to war with me. But he was after the knowledge. When you read in the Bible, I can't imagine having 700 wives and 300 concubines. It's like, dude. That's a big credit card bill. That is one big credit card bill. Because he was after the knowledge, he said, okay, I'm going to go to these thousand women that are high priestesses, and I'm going to pull them in, and I'm going to try to reassemble this knowledge. And his end thing,

he said, listen, it's all folly. It's madness. I remember there was one cult, and they claimed to have, I mean, the secret sauce to everything, and they would have their aspirants. They had to go through this maze. And many times you were killed going through the maze. It was that treacherous, okay, and you, and the, probably one out of a hundred guys made it through, alive, not maimed. And when he got there, they handed him a grain of wheat. If I had got to the other end and somebody had him be a grain of wheat out, I killed a bunch of priests, man. Yeah, yeah, seriously. It's like, you telling me, and a lot of it is following, but when what we have done and we have done, whether it's the Baptist movement or the charismatic movement or even the Hebrew-Aprudist movement,

when the Holy Spirit pulls back, we have reached other things to keep the machine going, instead of just basically teaching the Word of God and being faithful, teaching the word to keep the crowds coming. So I guess my thought is where's the line and, you know, human beings were sort of created in a state of innocence, in a state of ignorance, and that we wanted more knowledge. We always want to push the line, but these angels seem to have this knowledge. So what's the difference between us and this? them and they know things that we aren't supposed to know, but they're not, I guess their knowledge

isn't inherently bad. What is it? Lack of humility? I think it's corruptible knowledge. There's the knowledge that comes from God, and James deals with this in the book of James, it's peaceable, it creates goodness, it creates humility, it creates all these things. I think that the knowledge on the dark side is embedded with the Iniquity Force, okay, which is a term that I've coined of what Adam and Eve were infused with in Genesis 3. There is a force that operates the kingdom of darkness. In fact, the matrix isn't too far off. We are nothing more than Dura cell batteries for the kingdom of darkness.

The more we send, the more power they can draw from it. Because Lucifer is not omnipotent. When he fell, he created something completely other than God. It was called Iniquity. and it's an anointing, but it's a corruptible anointing. But he was limited. And so he looked at humanity as a way of creating a harvest to fund his kingdom. And so anytime that you deal with them, there's always this element of deception, lie, corruption, that they're not telling you the whole truth.

You know, it's like, we're going to give you the secret sauce to get rid of cancer. And by getting rid of cancer, we're going to so tweak your DNA that it's going to bring the wrath of God. Yeah, it's the, it's, you can drink this and it's also, here's the poisons in it as well, right? It's drink this, drink this cup and then, but it's, it's poison. And it, it causes you use less for more. So you, you believe that it's kind of interesting, it's kind of like Bernadis show, it's kind of like the technology that's down here is kind of like McGiver, you know, he's got a, he's got a corkscrew and something else, and he's kind of, we're, we're sort

of crafting this knowledge out of what we have down here versus there's probably more resources to do these things in the right way or the right capacity in the kingdom of heaven. And somewhere along the line, I mean, this is what we talk about with Satan. You know, he gets tempted, right? He gets tempted to want to be God. He wants to be like it. At some point there is this idea that I think it's hard for a lot of Christians, that these beings have sort of free will as well.

And they rebel. They rebel like we rebel, but their rebellion is so much greater because of their knowledge, because of what they can do and they're sort of their abilities. Yeah, and what they have seen. Yes. I think for on the angel side of things, or I actually call them the elder race because angel is not really a proper term, they're not all messengers. Yeah.

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And so the only option they have is to double down and to double down and to double down and to double down. But they did have this free choice. they know that the end is coming. Now, in the book of Revelation, I think there's a shaking coming. There's a word talking about Michael, and I don't think this one has happened yet, where Satan is thrown down to the earth. I think that the book of Hebrews talks about that, that even the heavens will be shaken.

I think everything in the second heaven will be thrown down into first heaven realities. God says, you want a physical body, you want to function here. I'm going to let you function here, but when you do, you can die like a man. Well, it's like that's Psalm 82, right? Yeah, Psalm 82, which is great for me because, you know, a 50 cow with a salad brass ron could probably take one of them down. That kind of makes me happy. You're annoyed it with all you pray in the name of Jesus right as you pull the trigger and down it goes. I come into your bunker, Michael, if you got that 50 cow, I'm going to come hang with you.

I had an interesting idea, and I want to do your thoughts on this. So Nimrod, I'm just trying to draw back to Solomon here. Nimrod is building Babylon, right? And he's gathering all of these nations together and all of their knowledge. It feels like in the same way Solomon's doing that same thing by gathering the daughters and the wives. But it ends differently, right? You seem that he acquired at least a summation of this. I don't know how he gets the complete picture of all the watcher,

forbidden knowledge, et cetera, all of the mystery religion knowledge. But he gets enough of it and puts enough pieces. together to decide this is, as you said, his final is that it's all falling. Now, he's also the run who wrote the book of Proverbs that says if you seek God, God would give you witty inventions. I think there's technologies that when we seek the spirit of God, God can give us wisdom beyond our capacity to understand. And a lot of times, in the Tory, a lot of times when God would give commands, they say,

we will hear and we will do, we will hear and we will do. There are several times you don't see it in the English because the translators, translated it wrong, it's actually reversed in the Hebrew. It says we will do and we will hear. And when the rabbis looked at it, when God gives you wisdom beyond your ability to understand, you can only understand it in circumspect. Okay. That you've got to look back at it and say, ah, you know, God's so much smarter than me, that's what I mean. And that's what he meant. And it causes us to be humbled and reliant on him. And I think there are a lot of technologies that God could give us. But we seem not to be satisfied with it. You know, looking at the prophetic movement

right now, it's out of control. I see, and especially coming out of Bethel, they're teaching them how to remote view. They're teaching them how to read a room like a mentalist. All these things. And when you look at who's our greatest prophets? We have Isaiah, we have Jeremiah. How much room does that take up in your Bible? Not a lot. About this much, right? Yeah. You look at all the words that these prophets are getting in the modern day and last month that have been this thick. Who are they listening to? Yeah. Yeah. What channel are you on? Right. That you're saying that you're getting more, some of them talk like they almost have an express elevator to heaven. You know, I mean, and next thing, you know, we have people talking about Jello Mountains and chocolate,

fondue fountains in heaven and all the crazy stuff that anybody would common sense would say, you're crazy. Yeah. But we're so hungry. When we're bitten by the same mystery bug that Solomon was, we're going after all this stuff instead of returning to the simplicity of God's word and God's kingdom. It kind of reminds me that we just had an episode on the Urim and the Thumim, you know, and how originally Moses was really the only guy that got a direct,

message. And then from there, you know, it was like he was one of the top dogs to get this message and the rest of the guys had to kind of go through the temple and the whole system of how they communicated with God. And it wasn't something that, like Moses was unique in that aspect. And I think sometimes we like to think, oh, I'm Moses. God's going to talk to me. And then that power corrupts us. It seems like humility is sort of this lost part of all of it. That at the end of the day you have to constantly humble yourself because humans have been given something that we can't wield. We can't really protect ourselves from being corrupted. We need to constantly go back to God, or we do get corrupted and easily corrupted. I mean, in this space, Dr. Michael Lake, we constantly

get sent a thousand things every day, different ideas and this and that. And it feels like there are spirits over some of these ideas, some of these rabbit holes, and they infect people to the point. where they will fight you physically. If you challenge an idea, if you say, I'm not into that or whatever, it's not like talking about Bigfoot. Everyone has a different idea about Bigfoot.

Nobody knows what the heck it is. But when you challenge some of these other ideas, people get visceral, they get mean, they get angry, and it feels like a cult. It feels like there's cults in this truther space. And we constantly deal with it, and I feel like there's a ton of lack of humility

when researching. and getting into these ideas. Look at the fruit of things. Whenever you encounter God, and I hear the voice of God, and every time he has ever spoken to me, it's been humbling. Okay.

It shows me how I'm not as smart as I thought I was, or I, you know, I mean, there are sometimes God has showed me stuff, and I've sat in him thinking, okay, I've studied the Greek, I've studied the Hebrew, and I'm blind, but now I see, because I can't believe that that was as plain as denoted us,

nose on my face, and I have read over it and read over it and read over it, and I've got to confess before you, Father, then unless your spirit shows it to me, I am stupid, okay? Yeah. There is always a humbling. That's why the Bible says we've got to submit ourselves to God and then resist the devil, and he will flee from you because there's that humility. Why was Moses able to do the things that he did? The Bible says he was the most humble man on the planet, because his encounter.

encounters with God, he went from the arrogance of a member of the Pharaoh's family to being the most humble man on the planet. And when he became the most humble man on the planet, he ran into a burning bush. God says, now I can use it because you're set right. And so we look at the fruit of knowledge that is being revealed and of any movement. You know, like with the Flat Earth guys, I've actually had death threats from Flat Earthers. And it got so bad, I said, come on. I'm ex-military. Bring your own body bag. I've had it. But that's when you get no reply. Yeah, did I get into flesh? Yeah, I did because I got tired of it. And, you know, I'm ex-military.

And I heard vocabulary. I did not hear from drunk army guys, okay, drunk soldiers. I've got this professing themselves to be Christians that took that position that their mamas needed to wash their mouth out with some lava soap. Humility is the key here, Dr. You're making an amazing point. And this is some of what Nate and I, who's talking about is that, is it in a lot of spaces in Christianity, people get very dogmatic about things that aren't salvic. Yes. And in that way, it becomes so divisive.

It is one of those things I think Satan uses to divide the pride of Christ. It is... Well, it's hard for us doing his show. like this because you want to learn the truth, you want to know what's happening. You want to know, okay, are these UFOs crashing? Are they physical? What is this? Right? And you have a lot of Christians who come to the table and say, it's not physical. There's nothing physical about it. And you're like, well, we brought people on the show who've touched the stuff. So it is physical. And there's even some data from some that I have been listening to and looking at that

when we entered into our nuclear age, all the weapons that we set off began tearing holes between the second heaven and the first heaven. That if we could, even with CERN, Steve Quayle talks about there was a time, and I thought this was funny. Remember when they shut down CERN for like two years because they rewire the thing? It's because ferrets had gotten into the wiring. And it was, they were doing an experiment, let's say they were supposed to crank it up to 10. And what they got was a reaction at 1,000. And in those moments, and this, this is from reliable.

people, I mean, people in the military, police officers, all that, it was like the veil for about for about 45 seconds was rent between the first and second heaven. And people saw giants. They saw UFOs. They saw little people. I mean, the leprechauns were out of everything, dude. And there's, we need to understand that, number one, we live in a limited multiverse. There are three heavens, and the Garden of Eden, they were one.

I think that that flaming sword, you have, you have two cherubim and you have a flaming sword floating in the middle. What? You know, it's just like there's a lightsaber. Why is that there? It separated the three heavens. God put barriers for the, to limit the warfare for the sake of humanity. Yeah.

There are things that we can do. And I think there's a cult ritual. I think there's bloodshed. And I even think that setting off, you know, H-bombs or whatever can rip the fabric or the barriers between the two. And these watchers, they knew, they kind of know. the framework of how these things work and so they manipulated it was seen the matrix

right they've seen from the outside yeah like like and the temptation would always be like it's it's like if you show up in a foreign country as an American even sometimes you feel like I remember when I was in Japan I felt a little bit like oh I'm you know I'm this I'm taller than everybody else and I have this you know different experience

different life and people would ask me questions I remember feeling like oh you know Nate you're saying you were big in Japan I was big in Japan for a second but you know I was in a band and it was a little different, so people knew, kind of knew who we were. But I can imagine you roll under the scene of earth as an angelic being, as the elder race, however you want to say it. It's got to be an incredible rush because you know things from this whole other kingdom.

And you have this technology, you have this knowledge. Everyone just worships you. Like, oh, man, tell us the ways. Tell us how to tell us what it's like. You know, give us the bread of it. heaven. What's that taste like? What's going on up there? You know, what do you know that we don't know? I mean, it absolutely, for a little while, was a rush. And then we see in the book of you know, how it totally backfires and all this genetic problems. And then they have to kind of watch

everything fall apart. But I can only imagine the temptation that they were feeling. But I think there's another aspect to it. Vicky Anderson was at our conference, an outstanding presentation, actually quoting from Lovecraft in his book on Kathulu, that he said, listen, he said, there are things that are hidden from us, and even our educational system tries to hide the spirit realm from us. But he said, if you actually saw the world as it really is, he said, many people would go mad. They would go mad at it. And that explains a lot of our intelligence communities and secret projects that they, I think they have aligned themselves with many of the watchers and their minions. And it has brought a level of corruption.

We're talking about mystery religions in Solomon, and we see him track all the way through. Solomon says it's all folly. But this doesn't go away. Obviously, these are, as you talked about, these are precursors as you go downstream to Rosicrucianism and Freemasonry and New Age and cabala and all these things that then sprout out of this dark bloodline or whatever you want to sort of categorize that right how do you how do you see that operating day do you think that the and then you talk about the UN a bit but like as far as sort of the resurgence in the mystery religions like how do you see that that playing out right now other than like sort of the infiltration of the church we kind of covered in the beginning with with the baptist and stuff but like because listen

We've had episodes, Dr. Lake, with some people on the show that have talked about the death of atheism, right? That atheism is dying because we are now in a time when people are again saying, this stuff is all real, the spiritual realm, the second, third, this is all real stuff. And this is exploded, right? Like, the idea of atheism seems to be dying. They aren't like really tried and true atheists. It feels like in the same way that maybe there was 40 years ago. There still are. But in the same way, people are believing in anything.

Well, the oxymour about atheism is they said there was no God. but I'm going to try to become one. And through the singularity, they're trying to create their own. So you're trying to create something that you said never existed, but yet you're wanting to either become one or for it to exist. And I think all of this, because what I have found out not only about the Luciferian elite, but the kingdom of darkness, they'll never come at you one way. They compartmentalize and they'll come at you 60 ways.

In some way, it'll coalesce. And I think it's coalescing now with the UN. We know that I'm trying to remember how far back it was. I think it was right before Obama was sworn in that all the world leaders went to Antarctica. What the heck is in Antarctica, except for maybe Atlantis? You wonder, and then we had, right during the pandemic, we had, I don't remember, it was at Davos meeting, one of the meetings that the now King Charles said, and he didn't define who it was, he just said he, that we're going to have to give the GDP,

resources of all the nations to him and that he will solve the problems that's coming. And I'm sitting there thinking, okay, who is he? And he said it in such a way, all these world leaders knew who he was. They just weren't sharing it with the rest of us. And so there is this emergence and combining of everything. It's going to come back together. And in fact, I got a quote from one occultist that a very high-firm. Freemasonry, he said that Nemrod gave us a directive that we're still following to this day.

So you think he went on after Babel to create Atlantis, right? No, I think he was trying to recreate Atlantis. I think Atlantis was an antediluvian stronghold, if you will, of the watchers. It's a god, right? Like a, we would call a watcher, and then he has Nephilim sons, right? Doesn't it ten sons? I'm trying to remember the Greek mythology around it, but there's ten, or Poseidon, yeah, and these 10 signs, and they rule this concentric circle.

So Atlantis is sort of the peak empire of the Watchers, like one of their domains. Yes. And everyone's trying to get back to like, that was the best that they would probably say. The best they had it on Earth, the utopia that they wanted to make was Atlantis. And then Nimrod's trying to do it again. And even Sir Francis Bacon at looking at North America as we were beginning to colonize, He wrote the book, The New Atlantis, the different way to make North America the New Atlantis. So there has always been this expectation of the return of Atlantis and the king of Atlantis to Earth.

In your research, how have you been humbled? How have you had to kind of come back and change your position or change your mind on something in this space that, you know, where you were so certain maybe perhaps that something was this way and then you kind of had to change your mind. because like our other favorite Dr. Michael on our show, Dr. Michael Heiser said, you know, if just one of these stories is true, we have to sort of make room for it, but to change our paradigm. And what Luke and I, we do this show, we hear a lot of things that rattle this paradigm that we build as Christians. It's a little small box that everything has to operate inside of.

And then someone comes on and says, yeah, you know, I have a piece of this UFO tech. It's like, okay, I got to make room that they make machines. they're mining metals and they're making machines. If this story is true, I'm not saying the stories are all true, but what are some ways like that that you've had to kind of come to terms with over

your career and learning all this stuff that most churches don't want to talk about? It's humbled me. I mean, I've had to readjust my paradigm. It's like there are sometimes I think I've gotten so deep, almost had to have oxygen pumped into me. I think that even the microchip

probably came out of the Roswell crash. I mean, just a lot of things that are a part of modern society. One of the things I've discovered is that the anointing can flow through any electronic medium. I mean, we've all, as Christians, have heard a sermon that, I mean, the anointing of God is flowing through it. But have we ever thought that the enemy's anointing can also flow through the same medium? It ever took the time to bind up the lies and the deception, deceiving spirits that can flow through the medium of electronics? Well, we talk, I mean, yeah, I mean, think about music. That's the first thing that comes in my mind, right?

This is a great point. I think we live ourselves, we live oblivious to some point. I'll let you continue, but first thought is music, right? You have these things that, you know, we were a grown-up, Nate, and kids, and, you know, my mom wouldn't listen to X, Y, Z, and very, very wisely. Didn't let that happen. But the influence of things like that, that comes through a medium, right? It came through, at the time, came through our Walkman and Discman, and we can date ourselves there, but, like.

He was trying to listen to Creed, and his mom said, no. No, I got those CDs. It were all right. I don't know. Maybe she missed one there with Scott Stapp. Music is easy because it activates both sides of the brain, so it's easier to do. One of the things we discovered is like with the flicker rate of TVs, especially with the new digital ones, it puts you into an alpha state. The Nazis, I mean, they were the ones who came up with a catheterate tube that gave us television. They had television for anybody else.

In fact, it was federal law in Nazi Germany that if you didn't have a TV in your household, that the government would give you one. Oh, wow. because it puts you in an alpha state, which makes you more susceptible. It bypasses your ability to process information so it's all emotive. Now it's the phone, right? Now it's our phones.

I mean, I was just, I was in Yellowstone last week, and I had this moment. We're in, I'm in Yellowstone and like some of the beautiful place, one of the most beautiful places on Earth, and there was this table next to me. There's probably a family of 10. Every single person is just on their phone for like 30 minutes.

And I was just sitting there going, man, where do it? I mean, I am just as addicted to my phone as the next guy, but it was funny to kind of watch this situation happen. In a place that's, you know, people come from all over the world to see, and they're all just zoned out. The moment everyone got internet, because there was just one spot in Yellowstone, you don't have internet the whole time. Everyone was just back stuck on their phone. It's like they couldn't go five hours without internet, you know. They panicked, didn't they?

Yeah. But it was a case study to just like where humanity is right now. That's where we're at. You know, and one of the things I bring out in the Shiner directive, I said, start pleading the blood of Jesus between you and your TV set because it breaks you going into the alpha state and all of a sudden you start catching all the lies and the propaganda that we call news. And probably about once every three or four months, I'll get an email from somebody saying,

Mike, you owe me a new TV because I did what you said and when I heard what was being said, I got some mad, I threw something through my TV set. And I'm thinking, well, welcome to the party, you know. Yeah, yeah. And I think it all, I think where we've got to start. And this is actually in the conclusion of Ecclesiastes. He says, let us hear the conclusion of a matter. Fear God, keep his commandments for this is man's all.

So that's the first part of it. We got to return back to a fear of God. when that fear of God keeps us in a state of humility before him, which is kind of like a vaccine against hubris that comes from the toxins of the enemy. Go back to keeping his commandments. But I think where we're getting ready to head, and I'm a firm believer that judgment has to got must start first in the church before God can judge the world. He goes on to say, for God will bring every work into judgment, including every secret

thing, whether good or evil. And so all the secret things, I think we're entering into a time as we move toward the fulfillment of what we see in the book of Revelation, God's going to bring everything to the forefront. Everything that was hidden is going to be revealed. He's going to judge everything. And so for the believer, what we have got to do, you know, all these things are going on, all these things. We need to return back to publicity. We need to return back to the Word, a healthy fear of God, returning back to His commandments, because they inoculate us for from the things of the enemy so that when God judges, the Bible says a righteous man rejoices in judgment. Why? Because I'm going to be judged good. You know, judgment isn't bad. When a judge rules,

if you've been bad, you can be found guilty, but if you've been doing the right thing, you can be found good. And so I think we need to take a hard look across the board, see where we have been bit by the mystery religion bugs, see where the enemy has come in. And, you know, and a micro, you're saying we should get rid of all technology? No, but you better start praying over it. I'm a firm believer in using what is available, whatever technology is available, to get the word of God out. But I'm not going to let it control me and I'm not going to let it alter me.

Instead, I'm going to, you know, I'm not going to let a, you know, I look at my computer, it's a wrench. Okay. I'm not going to let a wrench be. me up, I'm going to control the wrench, I'm not going to let the wrench control me. So why are letting our media and our electronics control us when they should be nothing more than a tool in our hand to use? Yeah, it's interesting. I mean, growing up in the church, you kind of always knew the person who had that humility

and was willing to teach and learn and grow with you. And then, you know, there were a lot of Christians who had a very rigid system and kind of used to manipulate other people. And the church attracts a lot of people who do that. And that's a mystery religion technique. To do that, that's why we always have to remain learnable, realizing that we only have a part of the truth. I remember years ago listening to Bob Mumford

and he was teaching about the whole Christ. And he said, listen, the kingdom of God and Jesus is so big that no one group can get it all. And God knew our propensity for us to get arrogant. And, you know, if you could take the, let's say the reverence for God that we see in some of the old line churches, what they used to have, okay? With the foundation of publicity that we have with the Baptist, with the fire of the Pentecostal, you would have a believer that the kingdom of God would say, I wish this guy would just sleep because every time he wakes up in the morning, it's hell for us until he goes back to sleep. when we bring it all together and we learn from one another and we stay humble we become a force to be reckoned with and for the kingdom of darkness and that's what the enemy is so afraid of such a good word yeah i mean it's funny we say he said the fear of god right that's what solomon says and and that's also he says it's the beginning of wisdom that's the starting point beginning of wisdom beginning of knowledge beginning of understanding is the beginning of everything it's such a good word i in the in these spaces when you tread where you go and how god can use it

you. It's almost like when I think about what you're saying, it's that, you know, God will give you everything that you desire if you continue to go back to him and humble yourself or the temptation is to get it yourself. I want to, you know, these angelic beings, they wanted what, they wanted it for themselves. And so they manipulate the laws of natures to get what they, to get what they want. And some of these pastors even in churches, like, I want to be a big famous pastor. So I'm going to take this thing and manipulate it, and it's possible. And sometimes it's amazing how much God will let us go getting it wrong before, you know, something happens.

And it's God's humility. Like, okay, figure it out for yourself, you know? Like, you want to do it yourself? Do it. And the temptation is always there. I don't know how many emails I get, you know, use our company and we'll get you up on Google and we'll get you up on this and up on that and more, more. And they don't know what to do with me because I said, I don't want to.

I am really satisfied with God has me right now and I believe the Holy Spirit can take control of the stupid algorithms of Google or whatever and get it into the hands of believers. And I don't want to be any bigger. I don't want to do this. I don't want to, you know, it's like, and they don't know what to do about that. Do you want to build a mega ministry? No.

I don't want to do that because I know the temptation. And I think we've had a lot of good men really meant well. But can you imagine the pressure of coming up with $2 million a month so that you can pay all the people that work for you and their health care and all of that? And then all of a sudden, you start, things start going down. And you're, okay, I've got families that are depending upon me. And there's that temptation to reach out. Okay.

I'd just rather not have that and just be worried about getting truth out. and I don't care if I work 60 hours a week and I got to do a lot of it myself. I mean, Mary and I are, you know, we're the janitorial crew where we write it. We do, I mean, we're like you guys. We do the pre-edits, the post-production, posted ourselves, everything else. Because then we don't have to worry about having such a big ministry and having such a big cost of operating these things. Instead, we're just, you know, if God blesses, God blesses, but I'm not going to try to create an artificial way of doing something that may take us beyond where God wants us.

Yeah, it's difficult. It's difficult to have that mindset. And I think that you get tempted. You get tempted to grow. I mean, I remember just being a kid playing a guitar and playing some songs at youth group with friends. And then one day, you know, it grew into this beast. And it was like, we had all these employees and it was stressful and we're playing every night and we're traveling all over the place. And it was like, you forgot. You forgot why you, like, the love of just playing a song and having a crowd. And I remember, and I say all that because I went to a show the other night.

And I was, like, reliving that whole experience in my head of, like, you know, so many of these artists, they're commanding huge crowds and they're miserable. They're absolutely miserable. They've got thousands and thousands of people. They're singing songs and they get off stage and they hate their life. They hate what's going on. And they're just not happy. It's a strange thing that happens when you become so big that you lose the appreciation for the reason you started that, the whole thing.

That's part of the temptation. I mean, even though what we do, okay, like the subject we're doing today, we'll draw a lot of hits. Okay, I've got one. I did Gary Stearman's Prophecy Conference down in Colorado. It was the Nephlin Mysteries of the Walls of Jericho. You looked at it up on Amazon, I think I have like 2.5 million. views of that, okay? But I preach on Christ and Him crucified, and I have 1,500, okay? And so there's a temptation. Let's just get really wild and get into all this esoteric stuff. And the truth, you know, I do dabble in that, but it's one of the things God has this put on my heart this year, it's Christ and Him crucified.

That if we ever lose track of that, then we're just, we're just spinning our wheels, man. Yeah, amen to that. And so I've determined that that 1500, that's the remnant, and those are the ones I'm called to minister to and all the rest of it's just gravy. And if I, and if maybe in that 2.5 million, I could point them to Christ because maybe they were up, listened to it for another reason. But I had Christ interwoven into that message that I might have converted a remnant or woke up a saint, you know. that but to to cater to that instead of keeping our eyes focused on God has a remnant that's going to be a special forces in the last days yeah we need to know all these things and the things you do on your show and everything else

but it's got to be Christ centric that's our that's our heart too Dr. Lake is like that people are interested in in some of these weird things that they come to listen and they encounter the gospel they encounter Christ they encounter the way to look at these things is through the biblical narrative That's what we're here for. And I just think this conversation in the way that's kind of wrapped up is fascinating

because it is Solomon, right? We talked about Solomon, but it is Solomon. Solomon is the wealthiest man that ever lived. He had 700 wives, 300 conchids, all the women he could ever want.

He acquired all the knowledge you could ever have. And at the end, he said it was worthless, right? And it's just like, what a crazy example to be from the biblical narrative.

God said, I'm going to give you all these things. And at the end, you're going to find out it, it's all worthless. It's worth nothing. But what is worth, it does have worth, is humbling yourself and sitting at my feet. That's, and that's such a crazy paradigm when the messaging of the world and this place we live in is you got to have more, get more, be more, more clicks, more likes, more, you know, more more attention.

Me, me, me, me, me, me. You know, if you talk to anybody and I think in my life, I know enough people that have kind of reached the apex of fame and success and stuff. and you find that it's all so, so empty. And that's just Solomon, once again, it's all empty, it's all meaningless. It doesn't, none of it fulfills. And I think it's fascinating because this is also, after acquiring all this occult knowledge, if you will,

the mystery school, and stuff, he goes, this is stupid. It reminds me of what we talked to witches and stuff that come out of and get saved out of witchcraft. And they go, I just realized this was all stupid. The tiniest bit of power was nothing compared to what Christ offered. It was just, we had one such it was dumb

and you go and it's just as a reminder that like we don't none of us should get to the end and realize that we've put our ladder against the wrong wall once we get to the top of it right

absolutely and you know we need to remind our viewers okay let's say you're not a Christian and you're watching this day because you're interested in mystery religions or whatever here's my proposition to you if all this stuff is real if UFOs are real if big foot real. If the things that we talk about are real, then so is Jesus. Okay? Then so is Jesus,

and that there is a cosmic war going on for the souls of humanity. And nobody coming down from a UFO gave their life to save your soul. They use, they abuse, and then they cast away. Is this the only one who redeems? All beings are tempted with the same thing. I think that's something that we've learned. All these beings, whether they're here or not there, are tempted with the same desires, lust for power, lust for knowledge. And even Christ has offered these things, you know?

Like, here, you can have all this. And the temptation of Christ is so interesting. To me, as the more I learn about this show, is just that, you know, his humility, how he humbled himself to come here, allowed him to be tempted. Because otherwise, you know, I always grew up thinking the temptation of Christ was, how is that even a temptation? He could do whatever he wants to do. He could command whatever he wants to command. And then you're like, oh, you know, there's this humility factor involved there. And all these beings are so drawn to be more than they are, to have more than they have, and to learn more than they should. And it's interesting now because I think that Luke and I get a lot of flack for pushing things like the Book of Enoch on our show.

show. And there's a lot of pastors that are like, this is crazy. Don't talk about that stuff. But it really gives you a lot of context into, we're not alone in our temptations, that the reason the world is so messed up, the reason our politics are so messed up, the reason these groups of people and these systems are messed up, it goes all the way back to Genesis. It goes all the way back to the beginning, the original temptation. And like you said, the beginning will be the end. So it's great to wrap up this episode with that there, that this temptation is always going to be here until it's finally mopped up and done away with. Yeah, and that can happen fast enough for me.

Anytime. Anytime. Anytime. Come on. Dr. Lake, thanks so much for this. It's so good to have you back on the show. Such fans of what you're doing in your ministry. And as you say, the point of people back to the cross and to the work of Christ is, and there's nothing more paramount than that at any point in time. But it's just such a time as this. It's just such a time is this as well. We live in this, in the world we live in. So we're grateful for your ministry. There's always I want to give you a chance to share what you're, what you're up to,

where people can interact with you and your books, et cetera. Yeah, our main hub is kingdom intelligence briefing.com. My wife and I do a weekly podcast. In fact, we're hoping by the fall to upgrade it to full video. And I'm also going to be rebooting Biblical Life TV. And it's going to be a combination. I'm working on a book right now, Journey Out of Babylon. Babylon and it's going to be a combination of our thing, you know, some of the stuff that we talk about as well as developing sound biblical doctrine, your walk with God and everything else.

And I plan on actually teaching through a chapter by chapter on video as I get it written. So that I'm looking for study groups so that you have the video, you have the book, and now you can go to town with it. And so we've got a lot of things planned for the future. We're really excited about it. And but kingdom intelligence briefing.com is going to be the main site to kind of, we're all. where everything comes together. And guys, don't jump on Facebook. I don't do Facebook anymore.

Facebook pulled one of my messages from my last conference, and it was on how to be an overcome in an age of deception. And they said that people were misusing my speech on deception to reveal the deception. And so they cut it off, and I said, I'm done with you. And so you actually got to go to our website to subscribe. We're grateful, Dr. Lake. It's a great thing. I mean, honestly, a pleasure to have you back.

Yeah, thank you. Let us know when the book comes out. out and you're always welcome back on our show in our space. And again, I think these conversations are so important. As we delve back in, like the beginning is the end and the end is the beginning, it's, there's nothing new to the sun, as Solomon also said, right? And I think these are the important conversations to have so the people and the church are not deceived. And as you said, the judgment comes to the church first. And we need to have our house in order. And, yeah, man, thanks so much. It's great to see you. And thanks so much, Dr. Lake.