Blurry Creatures - EP: 280 Giants in America with Fritz Zimmerman

Episode Date: November 12, 2024

In this upcoming episode of Blurry Creatures, we’re thrilled to welcome Fritz Zimmerman, renowned author and expert on ancient mysteries and hidden histories. Fritz dives deep into his new book, where he explores the strange and shadowy figures associated with the mounds scattered across America. In this episode, he makes a bold connection between these mysterious mounds, paranormal phenomena, and his intriguing theory that the Ammonites—an ancient, elusive civilization—were actually responsible for their construction. COSTA RICA TICKETS! https://www.eventcreate.com/e/costarica2025 You can get our book of Enoch here: https://amzn.to/3xriiUB Support the show! www.blurrycreatures.com/members Socials instagram.com/blurrycreatures facebook.com/blurrycreatures twitter.com/blurrycreatures Thanks to our Platinum Members! Kent Denmark Outro Song: On the Run by TimeCop1983 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I know that's not PC these days. But I was looking for an occipital bun. I looked to try to say, this could have been this Native American tribe. They had these physical attributes. And I just couldn't find it. But I can go to England, find it in their burial. mounts, occipital bonds, brow ridges, all of that. So I think we're talking not about a race of people.

I think we're talking a species. The history of our Earth is so different from what we can imagine. The Smithsonian, that if they found out about a large skeleton somewhere, was to go get it. I'm going to assume at least one person is right, because if one person's right, it bust the paradigm. It all goes back to the fallen church. And the problem with the modern day church, they have a very truncated view of the supernatural. This backdrop that's just pregnant with all kinds of meaning associated with this Mount Hermann event. And this guy defects from the kingdom. That's a big deal. All right, welcome back to blurry creatures. We got another great episode for you guys

today. We've got Fritz Zimmerman back in the house. He was in the top first 10 episodes he was in there, number eight. We had Fritz on talking about the Ohio Mounds and just the Mounds in America in general. And we're going to get to a lot of topics today with him. He's got a new book out and we're going to talk about that. And just this mathematical religion that existed and the proof that the Amorites were here in America. Lots of cool stuff that he talked about in this episode and things in the book of Enoch. Look at this, Luke. That's a great book right there. Probably the best book of Enoch you could buy. This is the only book of Enoch worth buying, I would say.

Now this is fun. Fritz took a chance on us early. We were eight episodes in, and he came on, as you said, talked about the mounds. This is the guy that's done the most research. He's visited 700 sites. He's done documented 700 sites. Yeah, and 200 mound sites. And this is, he obviously wrote a book. The first book we talked about was the one on Giants.

Psychoppedia, Giants, and North America. So, yeah, a lot of names here that are, that are familiar. And it's fun. It's like we're turning back the clock. Jumping in the Delorean, going back to the early days of blurry, to talk about Fritz's new book, which is really focused on the paranormal activity that happens around a lot of these mound sites. And also the advanced mathematics around specifically the Newark Earthworks,

which is a fascinating look at sacred geometry, Pythagorean theorem, triangles, squares, octagon, circles, and all the above that exist in these earthworks here in North America. And we've talked about this a lot. when it comes to the untold history of the Americas, but Fritz is really the foremost expert, lives in Indiana, lives near the mountains, and he really spent his life's work on this topic.

And it's, if you're not a math person like me, don't worry, it doesn't get that boring. We get into, like, more of the physicality of maybe this mathematics is turning spiritual beings into physical beings, and there's some really weird theories he throws out there, but they make sense to a lot of the stories we've heard previously in the last three or four years of our show.

I like the advancement of these things and I think this book is good because it's like you start somewhere, start with big foot or whatever, and then you kind of hear more stories and you kind of build on your foundation and that's what Fritz is doing here with this new book. So you can get that in the show notes, but we're going to get into that and

you know, we had such a good time talking about the Newark Earthworks. We might keep putting together a trip. That's how fun this episode is. The next blursion. Yeah, a little American version of the explosion and we're going to go maybe to some of these sites and bring some of you guys.

So stay tuned. Let's get Fritz on the show and get into this one. We've got one of our original guests, Luke, on the show today. I think episode eight we had you on very early on on the show, Fritz Zimmerman. Thanks for coming back on. Of course, we talked about your first book, the Encyclopedia of Ancient Giants in North America extensively in that episode. And now today we're going to be talking about that, I'm sure.

And also your new book, Ancient America. of the Dark Side. Welcome back to the podcast, Fritz Zimmerman. Thanks for coming back on Blurray Creatures. And thanks for helping us getting here in the studio. Things have grown a lot since our first interview. So thank you. Yeah, things are looking up. Looks good. So good to see you guys again. Yeah, excited to have you back for us. You're the guy that's done the most work when it comes to the mounds. And we've talked about the mounds here in the United States, a bunch really starting with you episode eight. We had you back on episode 59 to talk about fairies. And I know these two things sort of are correlates. when it comes to your brand new book that just came out this month, which is ancient America,

the dark side, and we wanted to have you back. But you've been on twice. We've talked about mounds and giants and time slippages and all the weird things. And we've caught up with all that for us, because I think when we started our show, like hearing what you had to say was the first time we heard of a lot of this information. And since then, we've kind of included more of the paranormal and understanding of ancient history, you know, biblical history and all these things. So you can get as weird as you want now with us. And I think we can kind of keep up, but obviously you're the expert. Where do you want to start today?

Well, let's talk to talk about the title, Ancient America, the Dark Side. Yeah. Really talking about the Ohio Valley, you know, where all the giants, where all the geometric earthworks are, you know, it's important to establish that, you know,

I'm not making this revelation for the first time in history. It's like, oh, Ohio Valley's founded. Yeah. Like, no. Because Native Americans would not live where the geometric earthworks are. So we're talking southern Ohio, northern Kentucky, western West Virginia, and east central Indiana.

So that circle going around there. The Native Americans didn't live down in those regions because they thought it was haunted. The Canoa River, which its mouth is there on the Ohio River. And then the town, which you'd be familiar with, is Point Pleasant of Mothman fame. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, the Shawnee called that the River of Evil Spirits.

And then down in Southern Ohio and Southern Indiana, the Ohio River, especially like across from Kentucky, they called that the River of Blood. And Native Americans would even say, how can you live in Kentucky with all of the ghosts that are, that inhabit that region? Yeah. So there's a precedent of not living in this region because it was haunted. That was established by Native Americans, and then that goes back to the burial maps that were there. And obviously that throws a wrench into like the historical narrative that we hear that,

you know, they built all the stuff that was there and they were there. But, you know, you're kind of presenting, and what we've presented on our show a lot is that there's sort of this alternate history of America. And I think if you haven't listened to our first episode with you, a lot of our listeners probably haven't because they're so early, but what we talked about is there's like over 700, you documented over 700 of these mounds in this area, or it took you over 10 years, 12 years to do that, and you dedicated yourself to kind of telling an alternate story of who built these mounds. And so where is this information that you're finding that the Native

Americans wouldn't go there? Is that, you know, how are you finding out that that's what they Johnny, just their legends and what they had relayed to two historians and people that interviewed them. And then, you know, the first village you would get to in Ohio heading south was Piqua on the Piqua River. There really nothing south of there. When the Miami Indians were in my region of northern Indiana, they would go down into Ohio basically to raid settlers along the Ohio. river, but they never lived there. And then the Shawnee, they're the ones that said, you know, the Connoa was the River of Evil Spirit. And they wouldn't live in West Virginia. And so, you know, this new revisionist history where the Shawnee now are saying, well, we built the

serpent mound. It's like, no, no, you didn't. You weren't there. Yeah. And nowhere is the serpent, an icon in your religion. So it's kind of a stretch. But, you know, know in our PC world, it's just like, well, there's Shawnee Middle School down the road, so the Shawnee must have built the serpent map. Yeah. So that's our historical perspective these days. But they didn't. And there's, you know, Chief Cornstock was a Shawnee Indian.

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So if they're saying they found it, right, that it was there before them and they won't live there, then there's something completely different going on. That's what I love about your work. And as Nate pointed out, 700 sites, 200 mounds, 10,000 historical documents, 13 years of archaeological work on all these sites. And what I think is fascinating about your new book is you're starting to talk about a lot of the paranormal things, sort of the dark, as you say, the dark side, the dark history associated with the mall works. Which is all the blurry stuff that we talk about on our show.

And one of these things I was going to say real quick, Fritz, is that we know for a place to be haunted, according to what we've heard on our show. There has to be some sort of trauma that happens. You know, places don't just seem to become haunted without some sort of bloodshed or some sort of traumatic experience or a thing going on there. It's kind of a... Or ritual or some sort of thing that happens with... So if they knew it was haunted, then they would have known something happened here. We're not going to go around this area. We're not going to go into this space. So something horrible must have been happening in these areas, right? Well, not necessarily because you have to understand that burial mounds were portals that connected the living with the dead so yeah

that was their purpose and in the book of enoch it says that of the giants that their spirits would be earthbound yeah and we see that with the grave goods within burial mounds there isn't it and what are grave goods well like in egypt you would see they they put all these things in the grave goods that they're going to need for their journey into another land. Right. We don't see that in Ohio. Why? Because the spirits are earthbound.

And they believed in ancestral worship. So they would go to a burial mound and pray to this collective of the dead for prosperity and things that you would normally pray for. So the mounds were in like that. But those spirits. are around those mounds. Yeah, so that would have been enough to kind of create the place to be haunted. You wouldn't have to actually kill anybody or do anything.

You could just bury all these giants and whoever else was there at the time. And they're all right there. You know, a good example of that is Moundsville Prison. Okay. So you watch a show, you know, you watch a paranormal show. They're in Moundsville Prison and, you know, they're getting all this, you know, stuff, you know, SLS and voices. And it's like, well, there is a 70-foot burial mound

in front of Moundsville Prison. It's the largest burial mound in the Wild Valley. Wow. And in the bottom was a guy that was 8.5 foot tall. And then up the upper chamber was his wife, I believe. She was 7.5 foot. So she was bigger than most NBA players. It's like Shaq.

So they don't tell you when you watch things at Moundsville Prison. all right, there's this giant portal where people see shadow people. There's a lot more activity around that burial mound than in that prison, but probably the stuff they're seeing in the prison is the ancient dead and not some prisoner from the 1950s.

Like Alcatraz, right? You're not having, like Birdman's not hanging out. You've got some old stuff. It's interesting what you talked about them going to the mound to ancestor worship. We had an episode we did with Derek Gilbert about the Valley of the Shadow of Death, right, this biblical place that actually exists in the Middle East. And what's there are about 10,000 dolmens.

And the same things were happening there. They were going there to venerate the dead, right? And in that same place, a lot of same things. Like curses, hauntings, weird supernatural things would happen. And it sounds a lot the same. Like you have this place where you've buried, as you said, the giants, right? So then their spirits are, as the Bucking & X as they are the demons, right? They're the ones that are punished to stay here because of the sins of their fathers.

And then you have giant worship or giant veneration worship, ancestor worship. And then you've got really the perfect mixing for a portal. It kind of reminds me of the 80s guys. When we were kids, we had that orange juice concentrate. And then you would dump out this, you know, thick sludge of orange juice. And then you mix it all together. It's it kind of like a, you have a concentrated, just darkness. And that invites in all kinds of things.

Is that what they're trying to do? they're trying to concentrate the dead bodies and everything else to create a hot spot. Right. And burial mounds and earthworks are all hotspots. You know, I did a correlational study one afternoon, and I went to all the places where the dead files, they kind of feel that's legit. Yeah. Yeah.

That show. Legit. Okay. So I just marked on a map everywhere they were doing their shows. Do you know predominantly they're in the hot. Ohio Valley, West Virginia, all the places where the giants were. And then you could take that into upstate Pennsylvania and New York where there's a lot of giants. And it's like, there's a real correlation there between giants and where these people are doing their paranormal investigation.

So I thought that was significant. And, you know, it would be so random where they would have their shows, right, but it's not. It all kind of lands in the same geographical area where 80% of the giants are found. Fritz, when do you start noticing that there's paranormal activity going on with the mounds in your career? Like, when do you start seeing the association that this isn't just, these aren't Native American probably, or if, you know, there's some more going on here. These are older. And then the woo starts coming in. When do you start noticing that?

Very early on, you know, some of the first mound sites that I went to here in northeast Indiana, there was this kind of an electricity. It's really hard to describe what it was, but there, I don't know, there's like an electricity around the burial mounts that it's noticeable when you're at these sites. Yeah. And, you know, like a sensitive can kind of pick up on whether or not they're kind of in a haunted place or not. Yeah. But if you went there with a sensitive, they would definitely probably be picking up that, wow, this is kind of a spirit realm. you know, that we just entered.

And then just having paranormal experiences myself of, you know, at Point Pleasant or across the river from Point Pleasant and up at Fort Hill where I saw a shadow person. And so just some of my own experiences and like, all right, didn't see these anywhere but mound sites. So I know shadow people, interviewed people around mounds. It's all cryptids that's in the book taking crazy shapes. So, you know, I'm not out there alone. There's been many other people that have experienced these paranormal activities, you know, around the burial. Fritz, do you think that we can account for a lot of the cryptid activity that people will cite and relate that to the mounds? I mean, because you talk about Mount Pleasant, right?

This is Mothman Central. This is the apex of the vortex, bro. And there you have mounds. And then I think about, we interviewed a guy Fritz who had a mound on his property. He lived in Minnesota. He's a farmer. and it was a serpent mound. And he dug it up, allegedly.

He was Roger Saker. Roger Saker. And said he found giant bones, called the government, of course. And they come and they make him fill it back in because it's Native American Repatriation Act. Don't touch this. They go to jail. He claims there's a portal on this mound and things are coming out.

He has Bigfoot in his barn. He has, what he claimed to be a boar crop? This mythological creature that comes out of them and they battle. I mean, it got crazy to hear about. But then we hear your stories here. and you go, okay, Mount Pleasant Mothman, people talk about having cryptids, would it be dog man?

You're seeing shadow people. You're seeing Bigfoot, creatures. And there's mounds again associated. Do you think there's, I know we're talking about there's a lot of Bigfoot, so I don't think necessarily all of it, right? There's a lot of Bigfoot in the Pacific Northwest, and I don't know if there's a lot of mounds there.

We're talking more of Ohio Valley, Indiana, West Virginia here, but there. The Bitfoot's always hanging out. Seems to be, as you say, there seems to be some pretty strong association with crypted creatures and these mountains. Is that a common theme? Because your book, your new book, right, is the dark side is really about a lot of the paranormal stories firsthand accounts, people that witnessed things in and around these mounds. And you brought up the prison and your own experiences across from Mount Pleasant. But do you think we can associate some of the cryptid activity that people are experiencing with these mound sites in these spaces? Yes. And, you know, there are burial mounds around Washington. I don't know about Oregon. I know that's a big foot spot. I know Washington. Northern California. First, California has a lot of giants that were reported there.

Cately Island, right? There was a museum for a while until the Smithsonian showed up. Well, can some of the different landscapes kind of bury the mounds? Like, you know, obviously we know there's pyramids in the desert, but there's reported pyramids in places that are like the jungle, but it covers over it. Is that, you know, it's pretty wet and rainy over there in the Pacific Northwest. So it could cover a lot of this stuff, right? You think? It could. Yeah, there's, you know, there were some really weird things that they found in Washington. One guy found a Sumerian head. Wow. It was, you know, he looked and it's like, oh, it's Samarian. Well, all right.

But Samarians, not necessarily Samarians, but the Amorites who were the account of giants in the Bible. And were big on mathematics. Mathematics was their religion. Interesting. And they were the first to come up with May 1st. and Salman, I think I'm pronouncing it, right? Salwin, yeah, we did the whole episode, Fritz, yeah, we did an episode with a a druid, a druid, we talked about Salon and the practices of the ancient Celts,

and he was a modern-day druid, but he was talking about the things they did on Halloween, which is, again, is the solstice, right? My big discovery that I unveil it in this new book is that the, Newark Ohio hinge, which is 3,600 feet in circumference, is aligned to the Beltaine May 1st sunrise. And on October 31st, if you stand in the gateway, the sun will set on the gateway. Are these Celtic alignments? Is that what you're saying here? And where is this?

Where is this? Where is this located? Newark, Ohio. Newark Ohio. That map that I had you pull up. Let's pull it up. That's Newark, Ohio. We're going to pull it up here, Fritz.

There it is. Okay. You see that Fritz? Okay. Yeah, so the hinge is there to the lower right. Okay. And if you were standing, that is like an eagle or a bird effigy in the middle of that. So when I was there May 1st, the sun rose right on that gateway.

And then last year at this time, I was there for the October 31st alignment, and that happened. Incredible. So here we have Beltane, Chowman, and that is not a Native American solar event. The only people that had that was the Celts, and that came out of at around 200 AD. However, they had picked it up from their predecessors. And we could look at either the Tuop de Donan, Pomerians, of course, with Tuoftedonans, you know, who ended up manifesting as the dead within burial mounts as fairies. And they believe the Femoreans, and the Femoreans is Moro, Muro, which is your Amorites.

They were known as giants, even by the Irish. And what's interesting about the Sotwetanan was they arrived at, in Ireland, on May 1st. So that date is definitely tied in with these ancient people along with ferries and their association with the burial mount. So we have Newark that is aligned to May 1st, October 31st. I'll be going there, October 31st or around there. I'll be looking for the first sunny afternoon where you can see the alignment. But the North Hinge at Mount State Park in Anderson, Indiana, that is going to align as well.

And that I don't have a photograph for. So I'll definitely be there, October 30. But, you know, because of Earth wobble, I mean, you want to be there for October 31st because it's October 31st. Right. But actual, the actual alignment, it would be probably about November 4th. But it's still going to line up perfectly on October 31st because the sun doesn't move that far, that fast. Fritz, because your alignment date to see it is probably about a week in there. Fritz, is that, is that, does that help you date it at all?

Like, are you able to look at these and because, because it's, uh, there's a. a movement of the alignment? Is that helped? Yeah, it's about 2,000 years, Earth wobble, and then it'll wobble back. So in another 1,500 years, it'll be dead on to May 1st again. So are you believing that these mounds and these earthworks in Newark are 2,000 years old? Are we talking?

How old do you think these are? The earliest date that they had on the Newark Earthwork, they did, they sliced, you know, part of the war. wall away. And they were saying 200 BC, but there was a woman that was part of that team. And she said that the carbon dating came back to 800 BC, but because that didn't fit the paradigm of the university, that they left that evidence out and just went with the like, well, everything's 200 BC. They went with that, but it's much older than that. According to carbon dating, it's just, you know, universities have their theory and then they have the evidence, prove.

their theory, not the other way around. They talk about their scientific method, but they're the last you adhere to that. Right. It's more of the, it's the financial method, right? It's whatever, whoever foot in the bill and fits the bill, that's, that's, that's, yeah, who's paying the grant? Is the Newark Earthworks the most popular site in this whole area and the most important site? Probably.

Probably. And really, it's the newer earthwork that proves that the Earthworks and geometric Earthworks were built by the Amherments. See, this is what I want. to talk to you about. So we talk about, you know, the biblical history a lot on our show, Fritz, and the conquest of Joshua, right, when he is cleansing the Holy Land of the giants, there's this diaspora, there's this leaving. There's a lot of thoughts about the Amarites and other tribes of giants partnering with the Phoenicians, who are the sailors, the eminent navigators and sailors

at the time, and leaving the ancient Near East. That, to me, is a great explanation for how we end up seeing a lot of this megalithic work and also things like the mountains here in north America. And as you talked about, they end up in the in the British Isles, right, in Ireland and the hinges all over the world. There's hinges everywhere, right? And now we find, we're finding what's fascinating is, is you can look at things like polygonal walls, right? The cyclopean architecture, which exists in Sardinia and Greece, and then it's here in South America. It's in Kusco. It's in Peru, right? And then you look at things like,

hinges and stone circles, and they are everywhere. Yes, it's like someone turned the light on the cockroaches and they all took off, right? But nowhere in the numbers that you have, like hinges are, yes, they're in Germany, there's a hinge. That one's aligned in May 1st.

That hinge in Germany. But the hinges in Ohio or in Great Britain, they don't look any different than what you have in Ohio. And if It's just really since 2010, when I had the, I released the Nephlin Chronicles, Fallen Angels in the Ohio Valley, that I was the first to start calling them hinges. It's like, it's a hinge. It's a circular earthwork, interior ditch with a gateway aligned o-solar event.

That's a hinge in England, but universities didn't want that vernacular because, you know, that associates England with here. Right. But it's the same thing. They're the same earthworks doing the same things. I mean, we know Stonehenge has a lunar for the 18.6 lunar alignments, and that's in Newark. We'll talk about that when we go to our newer map. So there's such a similarity, not even more than a similarity, because they're identical. You know, in England, they have conical burial mounts with a ditch or earthwork that surrounds them,

and that's what we have in Ohio. We have hinges in Ohio, and we have hinges in England. So everything is identical, including the skeletal. remained where we're going to find tall skeletons with a protruding brow ridge and generally a sloping skull find that in england you find that in ohio so like the ohio valley the amorites left their calling card around that's what you're saying they did and nowhere so much as in newark ohio because the amorites were known for their mathematics they knew pie they knew square roots they had Pythagrant Triangles, a thousand year before Pythagoras, they ever came up with it.

And it was necessitated by property. And they were having to survey and people were buying property. And so they're surveying this land. And then we have surveying on a large scale at the Newark Earthworks. And it's more than that. But it's the newer earthworks is just really the easiest to explain how they pulled all this off. So they had pie square root, Pythagran's Triangle, they had all these things that are going to play out at the Newark Earthworks. That is, as you say, the calling card of the Amarites. And the

universities now have the position of, because when I first came out with the Prithagin Triangle was, you know, attaching or drawing lines between the major Earthworks there that you've got a Pythagorean Triangle, just up and down, you're a racist, they didn't have that, you know, what are you basing this on? Well, then about a year ago, Brad Lepper, who's head of Ohio Historical Connection, had the epiphany of, well, why couldn't Native Americans have the Pythagorean Triangle? Because to believe that they couldn't, in and of itself, is racist. Right. So then we have Pythagrin there, and then Ball State University came out with that Winchester rectangular earthwork was also built using Pythagorean triangles.

So now that came up, which I didn't even know, but it's just like, wow, okay, now we have two Pythagrin triangles. That's four more impressing this having the one at newer connecting them. Right. This was actually built. Yeah. One could be a one off, right? But two then is a pattern, right?

So you have something that's happening here. Yeah. Yeah. In my research, you always find that second one. Then you know you have some. You hit something. Fritz, this might be like a little bit out of left field, but the hinges, we talked to one gentleman who actually moved to Egypt, and he said that the hinges were actually a lightning rod to supernaturally charge the area. And that's purpose for the ditch, was it full water.

And then it's sort of, it's like a diametric battery. Yeah. Is that, is that, is that, is that, is that play into any of those thoughts, play into your work or what you think the hinges are for? And why are they building these things in such a mathematical way? It's not just random. And I have a secondary question on top of that, Fritz, is, is, is, you. is, were they doing, were they, in these hinges in North America, are they using timber instead of stone because just the availability? Because what you see in, in Europe and in the Middle East is that they, they create stone circles, especially the ones we know we're familiar with in the UK, right?

But there's not a lot of stone circles. I think these are more earthworks, right? So were they, were they using timber potentially or hypothetically? Where did the stones get moved? For the standing stone, for what would be like a standing stone? Or was it just a, It just geometrically the same, but they didn't have the stonework. In England, around 1,200 BC, now we're looking at the end of the megalithic era. So hinges over there went from having stone circles within this circular platform in the middle to burial mounts being placed in the center. And then sometimes they would have a wood structure in the center as well.

And that's what we find as well in the Ohio bout. So the reason we don't have stone circle is because that era had ended. Oh, I see. And it had ended over in England. And it ended here as well. Well, it actually never started here because it was after that date. So that was a transition out of the megalithic and now we're just dealing with earthworks on their own. Interesting.

Yeah. And then the other about the charge. Yeah. You know, we know that they held water. And water is. used as a barrier. So was it used to keep something out or to keep something

in is a question. Interesting. It's like a moat. It's like a castle moat. Yeah. Well, that moat that goes around, you have your circular earthwork and then that deep ditch. So, yeah, that was filled with water. So yeah, it was used to either keep something out or

it was used to keep something in. Yeah, the episode we did was like weather modification. Like the whole thing was there to like modify the weather and create more storms and create rainfall. It was kind of an original harp invention to try to. It was really interesting. Yeah.

So that was the theory of these areas were trying to call in more lightning, more activity and, you know, manipulate sort of the environment and the weather around it. But who knows? I mean, obviously we know that whatever we're being told isn't the official story, right? I mean, I guess one of the question is, is like, why are they so reluctant to cover up this part of history? I mean, you're describing the Amirites as a different species almost, a different, completely different species, which is something that we talk about a lot on our show is that, you know, you would have some pretty insane commands by God to get rid of some of these things. And a lot of people now, modern day people just interpret some of this Old Testament kind of monumental times as God being mean or genocidal. Yeah.

But these things don't sound like, it's like a completely different. The hybrid, yeah. Yeah, you know, the biblical story is really interesting because there's, I get two or three times of God says about the Amarites. It's like, because the Amorites iniquities are not yet full. So it's like he was always given them a break. Like, all right, yeah, they did this. But, you know, the cup's not full yet. So, all right, let them go.

And these were the sons of God. I mean, these were the children of the sons of God. I think there was an attachment there. And just knowing how much knowledge that these sons, the giants, had mathematics. And, you know, learning the course of the moon in the 18-year cycle and the movement of the stars and planets and the movement of the sun. And all those secrets were taught to the Amarites by the sons of God. They weren't supposed to relay those, but they didn't. Do you believe they had some of it was instinctual because of their lineage?

Yeah, that half, the other half of their bloodline was angelic? It could be because, you know, I project that when we're talking about the Amrites and we're talking about the skulls that they find in England and British Isles and what they find over here, are so completely different than modern man that includes that many of them, didn't have a coronal suture. Yeah, yeah. So, you know, you have one that goes down vertically down your skull. And then you have another one that goes laterally on each side.

The lateral one, a lot of them didn't have that. And they had the bulging eye ridges, and they had the sloped skull, and they had the massive jaw. And some of them had six fingers. And some of them had double rows of teeth. And some of them had horny protrusions coming out of their skulls. is that we're looking at a completely different species of man. And this is basically, you're saying that this is what we've dug up, right? This is the evidence.

There's all the reports. Yeah. This is like the, you're not just making this up. These are thousands and thousands of reports. And we've seen those skulls in Love Lock Cave. We did an episode on that. And those things, when there was a museum there, they had those big eyebrow ridges. And then they.

Big ridges, huge eye sockets. Yeah. The Lovelock, what you're talking about there, had an occipital bun in the back of his head. That's a bony protrusion that we mostly associate with Neanderthal. But they had it. And even in Mount State Park, there was a tomb that they dug up. And these skeletons were in it. And they were all big.

And they all had occipital bunts. So I looked everywhere. I looked at every Native American skull that I could get my hands on. So Crania America, where they. all the different tribes, they had pictures of their skulls. I know that's not PC these days, but I was looking for an occipital bond. I looked to try to say,

this could have been this Native American tribe. They had these physical attributes, and I just couldn't find it. But I can go to England and find it in their burial mounts, occipital bonds, brow ridges, all of that. So I think we're talking not about a race of, people, I think we're talking a species of people. So Fritz, do you believe that if I'm just to kind of backtrack and reverse engineers that

we're talking about the Amirites, so this group of this tribe of giants leaves the Holy Land, are they the Tuathdananaan that show up in a Celtic Ireland? And then do they go, or are we talking about people? Do you think that's the route? Or do you think they go, you know, the Phoenicians, they just transverse the Pacific Ocean, end up in North America and some of them end up in the UK, some of them end up in Gothic, Germany. and you have this diaspora, which I mean, both could probably work,

but the similarities are striking between what you're showing here in the Newark Earthworks and also the mound work, the geometry, even the geometry of the serpent mount, right? It's solar and lunarly aligned. It predicts solstices. Does all these things. We see the exact same stuff in these, some megalithic and some post-megalithic sites that we find in the UK and across sort of that. that region as well. Do you think that's the way it went?

Like they leave. Some go here. Do they think they leave and they sort of stop off in Ireland and they end up in the, in what's now the United States? Well, I think they already had colonies there. Okay. So when they leave the Middle East, some are in England. And then around, right around that 1,200 BC is when we start having the Celts moving into the British Isles.

Now the Celts are going to adapt this preexisting religion. and that's going to be what we know as the Celtic religion today. So to learn the religion of the Celts is really to learn the religion of the mound builders. Yeah, right. Oh, wow. So the Tuatadonin had removed the fur balls who they called, and then they were there, but then they defeated the Famorians, but the Famorians were noted giants. Okay. Now, some people say the Tuophtadonan and the Famorians were one and the same,

and all they're doing is saying the Tuatadan were the positive light and the Fomorians were the negative. So they may have been the same, but what's interesting is, is that they manifest, the Tuatadanan manifests as fairies who reside in both ditches in earthworks

and in burial mountains. So are they the same? Are they different? Kind of doesn't really matter what we can get from, that is May 1 associated with them and fairies which might also we can throw in cryptids with that and the Celtic religion being associated with that now we're going to find in the Ohio Valley and the association of fairies being spotted at some of these burial mount sites

most notably Mount State Park or even a park ranger went on record saying that he saw a fairy at that point. Can you also update our listeners on your understanding of what a ferry is? Because most people just think like this floating little bug type of creature.

Episode 59, you have a book on fairies. We did go through it extensively so we can go back and get a full cup of that. Because we're talking to like rates of pygmies as well, which Luke loves to point out that I love. Yeah, the pygmies.

The pygmies are different than the fairies. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, a fairy is, You know, all of these things, whether it's a fairy or a cryptid or a shadow person, it's what are they going to manifest to scare the hell out, is what I believe. So a fairy has more like a shape-shifting type of.

They all do. Yeah, they all do. I mean, they can become Bigfoot. Well, then here's something interesting for it. If we draw the, if we talk about the giants in Ireland, and then their spirits are, are the fairies and we look at Enoch and say the spirits of the giants of the demons then are we talking about the fairies being something demonic a demonic manifestation is that an easy oh yeah okay that's the line we're drawing which I think is

fascinating this isn't this isn't this isn't your tinkerbell right no no these are these are nasty little bugs yeah but but you know I but it's basically you're dealing with a demon yeah yeah but dealing with whether it's a cryptid big foot any of that shadow people those are all demons. Do you believe there are some physical species of these things, though, that are more like, you know, like a race of giants or something where they're mostly a physical being with maybe some... Supernatural to it. ...ability to sort of bend the laws of what we can do.

Because clearly, like, the stories of Bigfoot is they can communicate telepathically to you. They leave footprints. But they leave footprints and they leave hair and they leave, you know, they have... sketch it's it's it's bizarre like it seems like some are more like skin walkers and they can kind of shape shift and turn into things and then some of them are like more on the biological side well i don't know have you ever heard somebody tale tell a ghost tale where like a woman sitting in a restaurant and they say this woman was sitting at this table yeah she was real she was a real woman and I

turned my back, looked back and she was gone. But she looked real. I think that's what's happening with Bigfoot. I think it can manifest as kind of a corporal entity, but it can also disappear within a second. I'm not a huge

researcher of Bigfoot, so I'm going to put that out there right now because I don't want to step on anybody's toes that are up here. That's a hot trying to shoot trying to bag them a big foot not in the Oregon forest but

I think it's a ghost a woodbigger and until they actually cage a big foot I'm going to still believe that it's a manifestation and you know I interviewed a guy that was at the serpent

mound and a two again two of these bowls of light were circling around the serpent mound. And so he tells his story about that. And he said just after that, there was military helicopters just like circling the serpent mount.

So there's... Something happening, right? Well, I mean, what... Are these mounds like ancient churches for them? You know, like they're trying... Okay, so they're going to them, they're worshipping there. Yes.

It's like a church site. And I think the same thing happens when, you know, Jesus promises the Holy Spirit, you're going to have the Spirit dwell within you now. So everywhere we go, we're bringing. So from their perspective, if they're trying to build like cell phone towers, like something we can relate to modern day, they're going to try to put these things everywhere to sort of keep that energy where they want the energy, right? They want to keep the spiritual, the spirit. Portals?

Portals. And it's kind of like throwing a bunch of batteries on a map to make sure that we have the right. Is that kind of how you see it now? Well, the burial mounds, yes. And then the earthworks, the geometric earthworks, the sacred geometry of circles and squares. And the combination of this ancient religion of mathematics as a base, that if you had, the ultimate was to square a circle. So you have an equal area in the circle and the square. Yeah.

Or you have the perimeter of the square being the same as the circumference of a circle. And by combining those two in this ancient old world religion, you can transition the spiritual into the material. Now we're going to take something from the spiritual world and we're going to materialize it. And that is what the Newark Earthworks was constructed for. So the circle represents the spiritual and the square represents the physical? The circle represents the sky gods. Okay. And the square earthworks represents the Earth mother or the lunar goddess.

Wild. And the sky god and the Earth mother, that is your yin and your yang. You have to have equality there. You don't want the circle to be bigger than the square, and you don't want the square to be bigger than the circle. But squaring a circle is really mathematically impossible because you're going from high to get a circumference to whole numbers for the square. But that was the ultimate thing to do with a circle and a square. And that plays out big time at Newark. So not only do we have May 1st and October 3rd.

31st alignments, we have this old world sacred geometry of circles and squares. And all the circles and squares are made so that the areas and the perimeters are identical at Newark. So I mean, obviously I'm not a mathematician, given what I do, but never really good at bath. Are you, these are kind of like factories putting physical flesh on like a spiritual being and it kind of pumps through this little system and pops out something physical on the other side. Is that kind of what you're describing? Yes. I mean, that was what the goal of all this circles and squares was to manifest spiritual into material. Wow. It reminds me a little. So now we have October 31st where your veil is thin. And now we're going to do this transition on October 31st. So need to be

at the Newark Hinge or at Mount State Park and I was just talking to the girls at the coffee house. It's like, I need some paranormal people to run down there. See if they find it. Did they volunteer? Fritz at the coffee shop at 8 a.m.

He's holding court about Bigfoot. I think somebody needs to go record some weird stuff. Who's coming? We need to follow you. Yeah, that's one of the girls that said. You know, you know, even paranormal? He's like, oh, yeah, my friend's. And I said, well, I'll tell you, if he brings one of those spirit boxes, I said, we're done.

One, I can't listen to that for an hour. And it's like, too, that's just bullshit anyway. So, Fritz, to get back to this, I mean, I think, like I said earlier in the show, all the above seems to be the answer. You have multiple things going on with these mounds. You could be converting like a factory for paranormal creatures. You could have a worship site. You can have weather modification. You can have all kinds of purposes to build these things, and the math is the religion.

Can you explain a little bit more like how they used math as a religion? Because I never really thought about mathematics in that way. Well, you just think of it's sort of like this language. Well, explains reality, right? It's not like used like a book of Egyptian book of the dead or some kind of, you know, spells you can cast and things can happen using math. I mean, that's kind of what it sounds like they were doing, you know? It is. Do you want to look at the Newark map? Sure. Let's bring the map back on the screen.

You know, one observation for us. Before you get this real quick, it's fascinating about what you were talking about with the sacred geometry is essentially a representation of the creating of the Nephilim, right? You have what you called the sky gods, right? You have the angelic, sons of God, right? And then you have the square, which is the earth. So you have the women, the daughters of men. then you have this, what they're trying to do, it sounds like almost symbolically and probably pragmatically, is to create a scenario where you have the, again, the creation of, of,

almost like a nephalum. Someone, someone calls you a square. They don't even know what they're saying. Just you're like, man, I'm of Earth, baby. I'm terrestrial. Yeah, it goes all the way bad. I couldn't not, because it sounds very much like the Genesis story of, of the, yeah, it's a good point, of the Nephlin. And we talk about fallen angels, and we're talking about genetic manipulation.

Yeah. Yeah. Are we talking people in crafts? Are we talking angelic beings? Yeah. You know, I talked to UFO people before, and I said, okay, I'm going to say fallen angels, and you just slip in your word UFO. Whenever I say fallen angels, because I said, we could be talking about the same thing. We talk about the other show first.

We make interesting ideas about angelic travel, right? Like that's a whole other, that's another route of the trail we can go down. I think it's more physical. Yeah, biblically speaking, like there's they do things north. Like maybe they need a craft. The way they travel, like especially Daniel 9 and 10, you have this, the angel dispatched who gets held up for 21 days by the prince of Persia. And if angels are ethereal beings and not physical, one, you have a problem which ends the six because they can't procreate. that'd be really hard to have an ethereal spiritual being procreate.

Secondly, they should be able to just pop wherever they want as sort of this medieval idea of the angelic, but it seems all the descriptions of the Bible show them moving, walking, they got a little more square. Walking or traveling, and then how do you hold up a spiritual being for 21 days? That doesn't actually even really make a lot of sense unless there's a physicality to it.

So we've gone down a lot of those paths to try to explain. You know, and then you get into the abduction phenomenon. I know we're going to get to the earthworks, but it's really interesting that a lot of, people that claim to be abducted and there's a lot of data 30 years John Mack did a ton of this that that a lot of it seems to be focused on genetics which is interesting because there's an argument they could just go pick up coffee cups and stuff out of the trash and get genetics but for whatever reason they seem to be breeding people and taking yeah taking humans and doing genetic experiments

but that's also not the direction we're going to friends I have a question do you think this math was kind of responsible for how the giants came back because we know they were there before the flood and then they were wiped out and it says they were there again. Is this mathematics part of that, you think? Post-flood, yes. Yeah. Because we can, you know, it's not like gray area. Like, well, maybe it happened here.

It's like, no, we know. We know in the Bible that it says the Emirates were giants. Yep. And we know, because they were real people, they controlled Babylon from 2000 BC to 1600 BC. and we can look at their tablets. And one of them, they were saying that the MRI trigonometry was actually more advanced than what we have because they were using a base 60 numerical system. And just today, when you...

They were on the metric system. I'm saying? Nobody. When I was a little kid, they said, now we got to learn metrics. That's what the world's going to. But they're on the array. They were on the original. They were on the good stuff, is what you're saying.

They knew what they were doing. Yeah. The giants were, you know, a real people. And then we see, you know, pie and square roots and circumferences. We see all this, you know, playing out in these earthworks. And you say, is this Native American? You know, I know the archaeologists say, well, the Native Americans couldn't have done it. And it's like, well, I'm not saying they couldn't have done it.

I'm just saying they probably didn't do it. Or if they did, they were taught how to do it. Right. Because in my books, I'm the one that always says, you know, the Dakota Sioux were the Hopewell, Moundlers. So the Dakota Sioux were down here for that. I mean, it wasn't like the Native Americans were completely absent. I mean, they were here for the building of the Newark Earthworks.

You know, what happens is when you have, you know, the nuclear way. I mean, everything ends at 500 AD. That's when Crackatoa blows. We have a nuclear winter. A lot of people die there. We have the Europeans come in, 70% more die. So the fact that, you know, that religion didn't make it all the way to historic times. It's like, all right, that's somewhat understandable.

But the Dakota Sioux were moundles. So, I mean, we know that. Their history puts them in Ohio Valley. When you look at the Sioux, there's Sue to the West, and there's suit of the east coast, and when right in the middle is the Ohio Valley. So there's kind of this big area where they're not at, but they were there at one time.

But if you want to look at the newer map, let's say I'll just explain it. We got to hear of an alarm. Okay, so you have the circle and you have the octagon. Every opening in that octagon is one of the lunar standstills in the moon's 18.6 year journey from north to south. have northern maximum moonset, northern minimum moonset, southern minimum, southern maximum, and the eight in between.

So that's what that octagon was made for. That circle that is attached to it is 1050 feet in diameter. And if you take a square of 1050 feet, it will nestle into that octagon perfectly. Now, the area of that square within the octagon is the same as the area of the hinge. And when I say hinge, that is to your lower right, that big circle with the gateway there. The circle attached to the octagon has the same area as the square earthwork. Okay, so those two all are the same. So this is super, the mega engineered.

I mean, we're talking like, because if you're having squares and areas make match, this is, this is meticulously engineered by. Yeah, this is the original YMCA. You know what I mean? Yes. This is, you know. The construction worker and the Indian chief. No, not that one.

You got the sauna over here. You know, you got the wait room over here. You got the cafeteria. It's like. So not the cop and the Indian chief and the construction workers. It's not that way. No, no, okay. That comes later.

Now, the circular, all right, you're scanning down here, but here at the gateway, E is what this is. So this circle is 3,700 feet in circumference. This is the one that's aligned to May 1st, and then on the backside,

on the west side, it will be October 31st. 3,700 feet in circumference. The square is 925 feet per side. So the sum total of the sides of the square is equal to the circumference of the circle. That's the math right there. Very specific. How big is this whole area again?

Okay. This whole site. Zoom out, Dan. Okay, let me give you an audience an idea. Within the circle and the octagon, there is a regulation-sized golf course. within that earthwork. There are no holes outside of the earth. All 18 holes of a regulation-sized golf course

is within this circle and octagon. Wow. If that gives you an idea how big it is. The old 19th hole at 9. Just the circle in the octagon on the top left. Yep. There's a regulation golf course in the middle of that. So it takes a person kind of a while

they figure out what it is. It's so big. You can't see it. I mean, you can stand and see like one of the gateways in the octagon, but you can look way across the golf course and you can see the other walls. So how did they build this if they couldn't check their work? Because you really can't see it from the ground. You have to see this stuff from the air.

This was meant to be seen from the air. All of this. Which is calling in the sky gods the... Right. And so now we have circles and squares all with equal areas and a circle where the circumference equals the perimeter. Now, what's not on this map is about 7,500 feet on a line to the southwest. If you drew a line between the circle and the octagon.

Now, what's interesting about the size of the circle and the octagon is the same ratio as the perigree and apogee moon. So there's like the big moon and the small moon. And the ratio of the small moon and the big moon is the same ratio as the size of the big hinge circle and the circle attached to the octagon. How crazy is that? really crazy that this is all incorporated into something so is this recognized fritz by anybody else or is this something that like they don't well it should be more recognized it's not because of just the crazy map well it's it a convenient truth for for the narrative as well that these yeah because it puts it within the realm of you know of being a native american site even though it is with the you know

dakota sue but well you know that knowledge was brought to them to the southwest of these uh Earthworks is Geller Hill. And this kind of road that's coming out of the octagon heading south, that road is heading down towards Geller Hill or eventually get there. So that's about a mile, about a mile and a quarter away. And it's the highest point of ground. There's a bunch of mounds up there. There's all sorts of paranormal activity that I witnessed up there on top of that hill.

So that is the high pointed ground in this whole, you know, landscape. if you draw a line from the middle of the octagon to the middle of the big hens, big circle down here, and then two points going towards Geller Hill, you get a perfect isosceles triangle. So the sides are identical from the circle to the octagon, all pointing there to Geller Hill. And the triangle has always been seen as kind of a transition for spirits,

So it's, you know, not surprising that we have all these burial mounts on top of Geller Hill up there. So that is just a little bit of the mathematics that is going on at Newark. That can be explained in old world religion, but I cannot explain it in Native American religion. So you've got the Pythagorean theorem. You've got squaring of circles and squares. You have the area of circumstances. circles and squares and associated matching. You have a Socelli's triangular geometry.

Octagonal geometry that's related to the moon. That actually is lunar aligned and also uses the scalar measurements of the small and the big in the big moon. And all this exists in this sort of enigmatic Newark works. It's so fascinating first that like as you look deeper and deeper, it just reminds One of the things that we talk about on our show, and you're an evangelist for this, is that the history we're told is obviously a narrative that isn't always the truth. And when it comes to things that are very close to home for us and closer to you because you're in Indiana and we're in Tennessee, but things are here even in the U.S., the deeper we dig them, when we find that what we're being told in the history we've been taught is not necessarily always the truth. In fact, there are things, this reminds me in some ways too, for it's of, like, in Gebeckliatepe, right? You have this thing that they've discovered now, and maybe not unironically, but the

World Economic Forum wants to fill in. But it's a huge monkey wrench in the archaeological record because it shows, you know, temple building and stonework and religion and all these different things that shouldn't have existed according to the narrative at the time, right? you've got only that but you've got something that would require an agrarian society and we're and according to all the historians and archaeologists we're supposed to be hunter hunter gatherers at that point and so i see these two things very similar because you have all these things the stuff that shouldn't be here according to the record that now it is here and of course doesn't get a lot of

attention because now you've got to rewrite the narrative now you've got to change all the brown signs and the green signs at all these historical places and it frankly it It validates a lot of the biblical narrative. Yeah, it's very interesting that the more we look into history, whether it be in Turkey or here in the Ohio Valley and Indiana, it seems to be a lot different than much more advanced than we've never been told. Yeah, ancient intelligence is like a thing that they're afraid of. I can guarantee that if you take the Ohio. historical connection tour of the Newark Earthworks, they're not going to go in and go, okay, so now they knew the Pythagrin theorem, and that's one of the how this was laid out.

You know, they knew how to square a circle, nestled square within the octagon. They knew pie, because they have to know pie to get the circumference of a circle, and then extrapolate that into the square earthwork, keeping in mind that, you have to keep the square earthwork the same area as the circle that is attached to the octagon along with having the perimeter of the walls be equal to the circumference of the large hinge

and the size of the two circles need to be within the same ratio of the apogee and the perigree of the moon. Okay, let's get started. Yeah. I mean, it's an impossible coincidence. Now, you throw that at one of your mathematical friends and say, this is what I need. Yeah.

I need this, this, I need this to match up with this. I need this to match up with this. And then it needs to be on a scale that you can't even see it from the ground. Which is insane, too. I mean, that whole thing could be a whole episode, Fritz. You have like the NASCAR lines. You have all these ancient things, including what we're finding in Ohio and Indiana. And a lot of them have to really make sense from the air.

Yeah, just the serpent mount itself, I would say. You couldn't. And you guys don't know about this. No, I'm sure none of your listeners know about this. Of it, do you have this mathematical machine that was made to take the spiritual into the material? That's what this was built for in mathematics and sacred geometry. It's wild. But again, we can explain it.

in overall religion, I cannot explain it to you in Native American religion at all. So who built it? Yeah, sounds like the Amarites. I like your theory. I think it makes sense. I mean, there's so many other things, right, Fritz. It's the mining of copper near the Great Lakes. There's, of course, there's Lovelock Cave, there's a Catalina Island.

There's thousands of stories from before 1920, 1930, about, farmers and mostly farmers digging up, digging up giant bones and then displaying them and then they're disappearing. And then it all stops and narrative changes, right? But I think the measure of data and the measure of mathematics, even in this conversation, it's almost a deniable, at least from where we're sitting, to be like, you can't really make sense of this from the mainstream narrative. You have to look somewhere else because it doesn't even really make sense. mostly of the Native Americans, and I think this is the big one, right? Is that, as you said properly, I remember we talked about the mounds early on.

We started getting emails that we were racist because we're talking about this. But the reality is the actual oral history of the Native Americans isn't that they built them. Well, the same thing we were in Peru. We took a trip to Peru and a lot of the locals will say, yeah, this was here before the Inca got here. Like, we don't know. They said that. Yeah, they said that. This is the abode of the gods.

We found this. This Machu Picchu, right? And I think there's some pride in that taking. credit for something that isn't yours. And I think one of the things we're discovering is on our show over the years, Fritz, is that when you read about the rebellion, you know, in Genesis 6, it doesn't just, I mean, you can even rebel with math, you know, that they didn't, it wasn't just a moral rebellion. We weren't just like sinning in moral ways. We were inventing ways to rebel against heaven. Well, there was a transfer of knowledge. It's this, it's, you know, it's giving this knowledge.

empires. Yeah. They're trying to create some sort of heaven on earth experience and they're trying to manipulate every last inch of the physical world. Is that kind of how you see a lot of these places, sites? Yeah. I mean, is there any greater example than Newark? It's crazy.

Yeah. I mean, of the manipulation and, you know, I tell you, these earthworks are talking and nobody's listening. Yeah. They're telling you who built it, what it all means. what it's for. And then somebody's going to get up and say, well,

why didn't Native Americans not to believe they couldn't have done this as racist? It's like, well, let's look at the evidence. Yeah. And just look like who was around at this time that had this mathematical knowledge. Sounds like that.

You know, first you've got to admit that there were a bunch of giant skeletons in the Ohio Valley, which they won't do. And then, of course, bringing them over. and then when we have, you know, in England and over here, you know, we have May 1st over there, you know, October 31st, we have it over here, we have hinges, we have conical mounds with circles, we have identical skull types, you know, all the evidence is there. And especially with the mathematics, like, all right, this is who we're dealing with here.

And so, you know, to get off of this politically correct, you know, thing, because, you know, even Joseph Brand, He was probably one of the most noted Iroquois chiefs. He even said that the burial mounds were built by people from the east who came here to trade. They're probably talking about the copper. And they were there on the consent of the Indians, and they're the ones that built the earthworks and the mount. He said that.

Yeah. I don't know. And what did he have to gain from that? Because the Iroquois didn't build them, of course. But that was what he said. And there's probably, you know, in my books, I have probably 14, 15 Indian legends all say the same thing. Even the chief Joseph was a nest pierce and he walked around with this little Samarian tablet. Really?

Yeah, in the 1870s. Wow. There wasn't a whole lot of Sumerian tablets around. They weren't floating around. You couldn't really pick one up at the old swatting. God, you know who he said? We've got it. he said my white ancestors who came from the east

they brought that brought me brought this here wow and it's been in our in our family for ages yeah wow and he carried that around with it it's a Samarian tablet for it yeah as Nate said it kind of reminds me of the Inca thing as well right because you have when the Spanish show up and they and they conquer the Inca one of things they're doing is is they're tearing down temples and having them rebuild it, but the tincas don't rebuild with cyclopean architecture. They don't rebuild with the megalithic technology, because they don't have it.

And yet they're more, they're newer. They're more advanced per the narrative than their ancestors that supposedly built this, right? And I think of the same thing downstream. When, you know, settlers show up from Europeans show up here, the Native Americans aren't building things with the Pythagorean theorem. They're not, that knowledge was, only predates them. but that they at least appeared to not have that knowledge at the point.

It reminds you the same thing. It's like there's... Or the need for the knowledge. Or it's lost at that point, right? It isn't used, which is almost exactly the opposite of what we're told is that people, groups get more advanced as time grows. But the things that are more ancient, again, whether it be the pyramids or the ruins of Peru or the earthworks of North America, the Ohio, the Ohio Valley are more advanced as we

continue to study them and we continue to talk about. The more advanced than the stuff that comes after. And that is the enigma that can't be explained by the narrative that we're told. I mean, it makes me feel like when you, when you, this, throughout this episode that, you know, when you think about a different species and how they kind of would go about building something, you know, you think about just two animals, you know, like a bird building a nest versus like a squirrel building a nest. You know, they have a completely different agenda.

And why would the natives, with a very small window of growing seeds, you know, and they're migrating, why would they spend the time and energy to build something like this? It's this massive. It would take every single person, every single resource, every single thing they had to build it,

but then why? What are they getting out of it? What's the exchange? If you are a race of giants that this is your religion and you're building a doorway to the underworld, you're trying to darken the world somehow,

trying to pour the darkness over the area. is what you do. This is what you'd build. And you'd have multiple reasons to do that. And why isn't that in your religion now? Right. It's a great point. Yeah, exactly. I mean, you have something to say, well, you know, they're doing this and that's what we believe. Right. And why? And yeah. Surfin is a big part. Circles and squares, we're all, we've always been, you know, because you see circles and squares and, you know, something, something, but it's not. It doesn't exist. Yeah. Fritz appreciate it, man. Thank you. much for we'd love to give you a chance to promote your new book and we're going to put a

link to your book in our show notes as well but um tell our listeners where they can find you where they can follow you and it sounds like Luke we got to take a blurry trip with some listeners to the the Newark site fritz would you want to do that someday sounds like a good you should do that we bring some folks up we need to do that you as a tour guide fritz you got to be yelling at people You know, well, you know, I have my travel guide, so you can always get that. And I have all the sites that are address restricted. So I always say it's like, if you go and just look on the internet, for every site you see, you'll pass by three. I may do a new travel guide, an updated one.

I do have some new sites that I could take people to. But, you know, winter is when you want to go to the mount sites, which is coming up. I'm looking to getting out around the 1st of December. you know, once the foliage has died, then that's a great time to go to the mound and earthworks. But the great thing about those is you're going to go to serpentine earthworks. Some of, a lot of them is on public ground. So you can go, but it's all free. So you can visit this ancient world and go to four or five mound sites, two or three hilltop serpentine enclosures for a big day of mounting.

and it doesn't cost you a dime. It's just such a great way to spend a day. Just don't drive up with you in Indiana, Rick, right, unless you want to lose some time. Yeah. I take a little more than it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you know, yeah, but probably nobody will ride with me in my car.

Listen, honey, I was gone a week, but I was only gone a day. You're right. Wait, what? Huh? Where did you go? But yeah, the new book, Ancient America, the Dark Side. Is that now? Is it on Amazon?

Or where do you want on? It's on Amazon. And, you know, it's something that I'll add to, because I'm going to go down to Mount State Park October 31st. And so I'll add that photo in there. And then there's Copperas Mountain down at Chilicothe. I want to check out. And, you know, I wrote an article, but I totally wanted to get photos for that. So there's some different paranormal sites that I'm going to be going to here in the next few months.

and so I'll just read I'll just add those to the book if I come across those or anybody else has any tales if you're listening audience they can contact me if they have some story about a burial mound or something or what they saw it's really incredible the amount of people that have these paranormal things so it's a new world of paranormal investigations opposed to going to some silly old folks home that closed down a few years ago It's kind of an eerie looking building. I've never believed those to be haunted, but people are making bank by calling things haunted that I don't think really are. I think the paranormal world has really gone south the last four or five years

of people that are hucksters and just making stuff up for a television show. So it'd be good to get back to the roots and know that you just have to go to a site and sit there and wait for something to happen. That's right. Don't get it. I think I'll pass. Appreciate it. Thank you so much.

And thanks for coming on our show early and giving us a chance and a shot. And if you want to find Fritz, go to your local Indiana coffee shop. Some baristas might be piled around. You might get an impromptu lecture on big. You could find Fritz in the Indiana coffee shop, local coffee shops. Fritz, thank you so much. Once again, we'll put the link to your new book in our show notes. And like I said, the invitations out there we'd love to do maybe a visit to one of these places.

put together a day. I know a lot of our listeners like to get together and get rowdy and learn. If you're ever up for that, let us know. Fritz, is there a website where people can reach out if they have stories or they can find you? Probably send me, I and I'm on Facebook.

Send me a note on Facebook. That's always good. Because I'll see that. Get Fritz on Facebook. Yeah, that's what we'll do. All right. Well, thanks, Fritz. So, yeah, if you have something, I'd love to hear what your story is. So, all right, guys.

It was great talking with you again. So good to see you first. Yeah. Thank you. Okay. All right. See you. All right.

See you. All right.