Blurry Creatures - EP: 31 Bigfoots, Orbs, and Thunderbirds

Episode Date: April 5, 2021

We continue to journey deep into the wilds and backwoods of Minnesota with more stories from lifelong farmers who've seen things they can't explain. Last week we spoke with Roger, who told us we need ...to speak with his friend and neighbor Leroy. Enter Leroy-- a Minnesota old-timer, he has a lifetime of stories and encounters with the unexplained, including Bigfoot. His own journey began when he saw a real Bigfoot "boy", as a child in a museum in Bemidji. Mysteriously, this artifact was "stolen" just a few weeks later. This initial encounter was just the beginning of a number of strange experiences with Bigfoot and other cryptids and creatures over the course of Leroy's life. He tells us about Bigfoot sightings on his farm, thunderbird flyovers, and that the big guy might have even photobombed his Christmas card. To top it off, all of this is punctuated by mysterious orb appearances all over his property. What's really going on in Minnesota?  contact: blurrycreaturespodcast@gmail.com blurrycreatures.com Socials instagram.com/blurrycreatures facebook.com/blurrycreatures twitter.com/blurrycreatures Music Kyle Monroe: tinytaperoom.com Aaron Green: https://www.instagram.com/aaronkgreen/ Mastering: ironwingstudios.com Outro Song: TimeCop1983: timecop1983.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:03:41 Because lying in the middle of the road, there's enough space for me to drive around it. And I figure, well, this is probably a turkey vulture on the other side of this animal. And I'm between maybe 30 and 40 feet away from it at this point, come to just about a complete stop. Yeah, I see this head perk off. up on one side of it. It's not a dog though and it's not a deer's head. It seemed thicker to me than a deer's head. It had kind of a longer and broader hooked beak, something between maybe a dodo bird's head shape with a really dramatic hook on the end, more like a parrot. It turns and it actually I see its profile, but it actually turned away from me. But it kind of sits up on the end. It
Starting point is 00:04:30 its two legs, spreads out its wings. And seriously, these wings were about as wide as the road I was driving on. So that's between 15 and 20 feet wide for a two-lane country road. And it flaps a couple times, barely lifts off the ground, that manages to like hop, glide, and it disappears in the trees. Disappears. Thanks, Greg, for sending us your Thunderbird sighting that you saw on the way. to work one day. If you're listening to this show and you've seen something you can't explain,
Starting point is 00:05:50 record it on a voicemail and send it to us, blurry creatures podcast at gmail.com. This week we're going to be talking to Leroy, one of Rogers' friends. If you haven't listened to Rogers' episode, it was a couple episodes ago called I Dug Up Giant Bones. You probably want to go listen to that episode first because that kind of helps explain what's going on in this episode. And Roger told us about some of his friends who had similar experiences who live in the area. So we're going down the trail of what's going on. up in Minnesota. Before this episode gets rolling, we interviewed Leroy, a friend of his. I think I always want to speak to the skeptics because there's so many people on Reddit and other places
Starting point is 00:06:24 who've been commenting about this episode with Roger. You know, they get frustrated. They feel like it's too out of the box. It's too left field. It's too weird. And I trust Roger 100%. I've had so many phone calls with him and we've talked about all kinds of things. But you can hear a little of a nervousness in Leroy's voice. And, you know, you come on a radio show, you're older. you're later in your years and you're trying to explain what's going on. And I think the nervousness lends some credibility to the fact that, you know, it's harder for some of these older gentlemen who've been farming their whole lives to tell their stories. I don't think this is something that these guys want to get on podcast. They're not young Bigfoot researchers who are hopped up and ready to go and create channels.
Starting point is 00:07:10 We're talking landline phones, you know, having to call them and find them. So that's just all the back story of Roger and his friends to help you understand that Luke and I are trying to piece together what's going on up there. And this might help you ease some of your skepticism that in some ways these guys are either a little nervous to tell their stories. And a lot of times it's so easy just to go, ah, man, you know, the age of the internet, just to be super skeptical. So listen to Leroy's story. I can hear it in his voice a little bit that this isn't easy. easy to just dump out on the world. And let us know what you think.
Starting point is 00:08:10 All right, welcome to the podcast, Leroy. We've been on the trail of this story in Minnesota. We uncovered a lot of weird stuff when we talked to Roger. Part of me feels like the initial reaction a lot of people have when they hear some of this out-of-the-box information is to think, man, you know, like, I don't know, it's just some guy's story up and, you know, they write it off, like some crazy farmer. They say things to rationalize what they heard, right? So we thought we would chase this story down and hear some of the people connected in the same areas.
Starting point is 00:08:43 We're having similar activity. And Leroy, thanks for coming on the show first and foremost. You've had some Bigfoot activity on your property and some other unexplained things. Can you just kind of explain how you got to know Roger first and then kind of launch into some of the, the, when you started realizing some of the strange things were happening on your property? I got in contact. And then, and then the Bigfoot thing, too. So you met, you knew Roger, you kind of connected through the TV show, and you guys started developing this friendship. What are the earthworks around your area that you showed him? Are they on your property,
Starting point is 00:09:56 or they just in the general area? No, Joe, recognize him as that, like the archaeologists, they just say that, are glacially radics. But, I've done enough research astronomically aligned, and there is evidence they migrated south and their history. Yeah, and when you talk about Lake Agassi, we kind of talked about this with Roger a little bit, Luke, where Lake Agassi was kind of how the seaway connected to the whole area up north, and it reached into many states, including like the edge of Minnesota all the way down. Right, it was a giant lake that gave access to the sea. We had the opportunity for the seafaring people to access what's now essentially inland areas or places that are connected or adjacent to the Great Lakes. Yeah, I was going to say maybe before we hop into some advanced ideas of how the climate change and everything, can you talk about your story of how, I mean, were you just always into ancient history or did you start having activity on your property or near you? You said, Roger's talking about thunderbirds being on your property, and he said you guys saw some orange bubbles of energy coming up out of the ground.
Starting point is 00:11:59 I mean, there's some weird, interesting phenomenon going on. So can you kind of walk us through the timeline? Like, you know, how does all these events kind of lead up to it? And is that what kind of propels you to trying to look at things differently, like the ancient history and whatnot? Okay. Yeah, my first to Bemijie on a vacation, and, you know, I was for Paul Bunyan. is on the beach there. And they had a museum, and we were in the museum
Starting point is 00:12:30 where you could look in. It was a boy Bigfoot. I didn't know. They didn't say Bigfoot. It was a boy. Remember in the guy that was at the museum, said, no. Paul Harvey was on,
Starting point is 00:13:09 that a boy Bigfoot had been stolen out of the museum. He said that. I thought, wow, I was, you know, we saw that. I was probably 10. And she couldn't see up into, like maybe three times. And so I got a real good look at,
Starting point is 00:13:34 you know, that boy, Bigfoot, looking right at me. And it was in two feet. body and you can see the muscles, you know. It made kind of a right turn so I could see the arm swing as it. And then after that, I even said to myself, well, what did you use? How much time elapses between your, you said you were 10 years old, you're a boy, you see this Bigfoot at the museum, and then this siding.
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Starting point is 00:16:13 plan required equivalent to $15 a month. New customer offer for first three months only, then full price plan options available, taxes and fees extra, cement mobile for details. Oh, yeah, it was maybe 15 years ago. So a long time between. Yeah, a long time. At the time, I didn't know much. We didn't have the Internet then and had only a little bit of information about them
Starting point is 00:16:43 and what they look like. And I talked to a guy who was at, he was about 10 years old and he went about 40 miles from here. live where they just kept walking. And when they got close to it, when they saw it, and they took off running, he thinks that they were, you know, digging for real. It might be getting food that way. So the question is, like, you're, you see this 40, 50 years later. Did you, do you immediately go back to your thoughts as a boy looking in that?
Starting point is 00:17:37 Yeah, it's just, you know, it's just kind of funny when they, everybody's looking for this body and here, it are, they already had it in Bermigee, but, you know, somebody, you know, maybe we were the only ones us. Who do you think took it? I don't know if I tried to research the story too and they probably didn't have anything on the internet.
Starting point is 00:18:10 I find a fascinating Roy is that like you, this is before the internet, right? So a lot of people will talk about Bigfoot and saying people are, because people know about this thing or because there's such a, you know, a spread of information
Starting point is 00:18:23 and the access information is right at your fingertips that people can manufacture experiences. But this is before all that. You're seeing something like out there, you know what you're seeing, and it harkens back to the, you know, you saw, you know, one in a, in a museum display. And I just find that super credible. So is this what you kind of connected with, with Roger over?
Starting point is 00:18:45 So you've had an experience, and he starts talking about all the stuff that happens on his property, correct? Yeah, I was, within five minutes, there were two treenox, and somebody knew, you know, talking. But that was interesting. When you looked at this Bigfoot in the cage, this boy Bigfoot, could you see like his face? Yep. Was it just kind of really? Yeah, isn't what he looks like. My sister that I was holding up to see it, she can remember that too.
Starting point is 00:19:24 And then one of my other sisters remembers. Can you describe that for us, like what it looked like? Yeah, it was definitely boy. You know, he had dark hair, large, but I mean, in what he looked like. you know, I believe the guy that said that they had found him frozen. Yeah. And we heard a story about this, Luke, about this principal who dressed up in a Bigfoot costume and then told the cops to come and shoot blanks and pretend that there was this big. So back in the day, all I'm saying is back in the day, people had thicker skin back then.
Starting point is 00:20:14 You don't think that people were, you think this was a real Bigfoot. You don't think they were made this thing. The guy heard Bigfoot. They found, because I don't remember that. Like a feral child or something. Like Mowgli. Yeah, I don't know. It's...
Starting point is 00:20:34 That's kind of a weird experience. You know, you're 10 years old. You look in the glass and you see this thing. I mean, are you... What are you thinking? Is it kind of rocking your worldview a little bit? Are you kind of like scratching your head? Like, what...
Starting point is 00:20:46 What is this? Yeah, you kind of wonder, well, what type of... Back then. And I'm not sure when all the other evidence was starting to come out about them. Yeah, 1967 is when the... famous Bigfoot video was filmed. Yeah. So this, what year was this?
Starting point is 00:21:13 62. In the Midgee? It was around 61 or 62. And I'm thinking 60. So this is a good five years before the infamous Bigfoot footage. Huh. Did what, did what you see through the binoculars that day in the field? Did it look like, and it looks similar to this, this creature you saw as a kid?
Starting point is 00:21:39 Well, I don't know. It was definitely, you know, a large, male, my height rise, you know, didn't change. If it was a man, you'd never see the muscles. And that was some of the things that I thought that needed. Yeah, definitely legit, right? The arm swing was such an extended one, you know, like they do. And what do you mean, like the length of it?
Starting point is 00:22:12 Like, it's just... Well, they put their arm out. I mean, do you see that in the Patterson-Gimlin film? And that's what Patty's kind of doing in that film. she's kind of... Yeah, yeah, it's that same type arm swing, yeah. It's different than humans. Yeah, I remember that part of it.
Starting point is 00:22:36 Then I just thought maybe it was one that was passing through and stuff like that, but then... Wait, wait, so you have another encounter? Yeah, I like to go to because it's open field, and it's the first day, you know, I was just standing there, and then it got dark, I walked home, and then the next day, all of a sudden, you're up the two together, and I thought, I can see anything. I looked like I did the first directly to the east, and they were about 80 feet away from where I had walked.
Starting point is 00:24:24 And there was trees falling on it, so that's why they followed the river to get to that area where they could go up the slope bank. And then it was some time that went by, and then the snow melted. And I thought I just was a right foot. So I knew there was three and then a small one in between. And we cast them where the cast... We took our pictures.
Starting point is 00:25:33 pictures you could see in the background the image of a bigfoot. He wanted his royalties, right? He's like, hey, you got to pay me some money for them for them tracks. Those are my shoes. Hey, is it possible for, is it possible if you just send us that photo? Because I know our listeners right now are awesome, awesome. We'd love to see that photo. Yeah. This is a rare thing because most of the time people see this and they never get any evidence. And that's always the, that's always the problem, right? It's just, oh, another story of seeing something in the woods and there's no proof, right? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:26 And what year was that when you got this photo? It was like seven years ago, maybe. Okay, okay. So this is your third encounter then? Or is that your fourth? No, it sounds like you saw it in the, you saw it as a boy, then you saw it in the field, then you saw the three hunting, and then you saw, and you were casting tracks a fourth time. That's true.
Starting point is 00:26:47 That was it, yeah. Then the cast, the two big ones were really deep. And you can tell it was barefoot. But then it shut the lights off. I think my wife even said, you know, I said, well, what's that? And she even said sassy. So this is, sorry, just to try to get a visual, this encounter, this encounter, this encounters right by your house?
Starting point is 00:27:42 Yeah, it's not very far. It's about where they were sleeping, it was about 400 feet from our house. So they were, it was deformed like it had been held in a hand. It seemed like after that, then that stopped. But I had a snowball. Like when you put it, when you form a snowball on your hand, you get this little, you know, it icees up. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:43 Yeah, it could be like that or it kind of melted. After that, then it kind of, it shook me up because I knew they probably didn't like that. And I wasn't going to report it at all then. And I figured one time that was flattened out, it to have been frozen. and at that anybody that had thrown it huh Bigfoot throwing your mushrooms
Starting point is 00:29:53 yeah and I did I did leave you know pretty shortly after that too I left the mushroom there sounds like a Bob Dylan song that didn't get released oh yeah okay
Starting point is 00:30:06 yeah mushroom is that their food source who knows some people think that people are eating mushrooms and then they see Bigfoot that's the problem oh yeah right Yeah, so, man, you have all this Bigfoot activity.
Starting point is 00:30:20 I just got to, you know, pop in here real quick. Like, you know, some of these guys, some of these people, I mean, you know farmers, you know Roger. Yep. And, you know, they farm, these guys farm their whole life. They're out in the fields, their whole life, and they never see these creatures. I mean, I'm sure you're guys like you and Roger, I just met with just walls of skepticism where, you know, you try to tell your story and you try to, you know, recount this. and do people think you're crazy? What do they say?
Starting point is 00:30:47 I mean, a lot of people have been writing us like, man, Roger's story is so out of the box. I don't know what to think. Oh, okay. And the reason we wanted to bring some of, you know, you guys on the show is because you guys, you've made friends, you've built a kinship between your experiences. Like, speak to the skeptics a little bit. And then what do you think, what do you think these creatures are?
Starting point is 00:31:06 What are your experiences trying to connect with people and share this truth? Sure, and that. And then it was interesting. I was at his place. and he had these ponies, two ponies that he just bought. And there was one that it had braided from the one side of the main and then braided from the other, you know, tied up that way. And I said, oh, and he said, oh, no, that's just the way.
Starting point is 00:31:45 We had a horse. It came from the Bumigi area, the bottom. Girls, did you guys do that? Well, then I found out from Roger, you know, that that's what they like to do. And this horse was probably really, I haven't seen it lately on the other horses So you still have horses then? Yeah, we have a couple now. Yeah, I mean, Roger kind of blew the wheels off of the story by Luke by saying that Bigfoot was coming in doing joy rides in the middle of the night.
Starting point is 00:32:31 Yeah, they riding the horses. Are they riding the horses, too, or is that? Yeah, I'm not sure about that, but, you know, the tail hair that went almost to the ground. I saw that when I was at his place. But I think definitely that's, you know, the Bigfoot is from, I guess. Why do you think that is? What do you think about horses specifically? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:07 Yeah, I don't know. In the evenings. Well, it's interesting about the horses. I have an idea that, like, you know, I don't know if you, my knowledge is really limited. But a lot of, you know, when you ride a horse, first thing they tell you is the horse can sense your energy. So if you're afraid, if you're stiff, you know, you're going to have a problem. Like the horse could kick you off. They don't like it.
Starting point is 00:33:37 It's like you have to be and just kind of be very aware of your own. energy when you're near the horse or it'll kick you off or hurt you, right? So I'll pick up on that. I think so. Maybe they can communicate with the horses, Luke. I don't know. Maybe they can tell them what they want. It's the animal world, man. It's possible. We have, uh, it's interesting, too, with the cattle, you know, sometimes if you're come up on them and they, uh, like, I was kind of thinking that, oh, maybe they get visited by Bigfoot too and they get surprised. Yeah. You know, because a lot of times they What else has happened
Starting point is 00:34:29 Like The you'd say that They're just a weird I know there's a lot of stuff That happened on a Rogers property That is a little bit out there Bizarro for a lot of people Yeah
Starting point is 00:34:38 I have land that's on one side of the woods So I have to You know if I'm working over there A lot of times at noon I just Walk through the woods So I was walking back and forth And I'd maybe Same spot
Starting point is 00:35:00 Well then I'd completely block by trees like they'd push trees in on that very spot. They didn't be going in and out like that. Yeah, yeah. When you hear Roger's story, though, and his goes a little bit beyond that, it's like these things are talking to him and singing to him. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:42 He's taking it to the next level, because we hear a lot of these other stories, Luke, and it makes you scratch your head. But Roger takes the next level. What do you think about some of that stuff? Like, is that? Oh. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:55 Is that harder for, is that hard for even you to believe? Or is that like, oh, yeah, that happens. Like, where are you at it? Yeah. No, I think, and it was at a time, not much anymore. So that was when I think they were, you know, coming in closer to us. And I can believe, you know, the stories that he was telling about getting, you know, close to them. Yeah, I mean, we, you know, a lot of people listen to our show of watched Finding Bigfoot.
Starting point is 00:36:33 And it's like 10 seasons of that, right, where they go out and bang trees. and it's like, but then some of you guys are having, I mean, it sounds like you guys are having world-class interactions and sightings. There's people out there that go their whole life and try to have some of these experiences where not only are they seeing one, they're hanging out with them almost friends, as Roger would say. Yeah, yeah, he's really lucky. Your story doesn't end there. I mean, Roger was saying you have, you have this energy around.
Starting point is 00:37:07 on the property and then you have a bunch of Thunderbird sightings. Oh, okay. And is this all connected? All this phenomenon? Like, how come some, here's my question, how come some people seem to be like a magnet for this activity?
Starting point is 00:37:21 And some people, like the finding Bigfoot dudes, they go out and they just strike it. They just strike out over and over again. Is there something? Yeah, Matt Moneymaker out here. Just going to keep on knocking on trees and whooping. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:35 Years ago, and I was out of the tractor and I helped me, and it wasn't a bald eagle, and it was a tree that had wide at the top. And so the branches, I kind of got a judgment on the width of its wings and by that same branch twice or more in wingspan than the bald eagle. Wow. And so then I kept my eyes out for it to the market. I happened to look to the west, and about maybe an eighth of a mile away, there was one flying, and then I saw another one, and the first one was making noise. It was very loud driving down the road, and it has a unique sound. It's not like any other, not like any other eagle that makes that sound.
Starting point is 00:39:11 And then they went to the sounds, and they couldn't match it. So it is kind of unique. and I've time to get out of, you know, try to get a picture of them as they pass by. And then with her about him, and her daughter was outside, and she told her, Bob said, well, and then he was excited about that. He came up here from, you know, southern Minnesota, and it was a summer day, I think, in August, and we were, he brought in his map and his tools and his rods, I mean, and then at the table with the map and with two blank pieces of paper, he looked.
Starting point is 00:40:24 located where we should go to find them. We were looking around and it was within about, oh, about 15 minutes. We had, we kind of decided to go. There one was. Located it and watched it land. And our plan was, well, we went, we saw the area where it landed and we thought it landed in one of the shelter belts. And we went to the farthest one and he pointed back to the end of that wanting he pointed, going to walk in the side of the trees that I was, you know, I was on the south side and it was on the north. And I should have just made my way to the other side to get pictures, but I was expecting it to come up into the air above the trees. And I know, but Bob saw it and he said it was big and moving fast. And then I asked him, do you get a picture? No,
Starting point is 00:41:36 he didn't get a picture. Too excited in watching it. But he was kind of, they're right. One of the things that we've heard about Thunderbirds is that they, their appearance coincides with storms like they come they come in with storms or or leave with storms is that are you seeing are you seeing that or is it this is just like you're having clear days where these things are are showing themselves yeah I think the thunder part it was loud where I was standing it begs the question like what's going on in Minnesota that all this stuff seems to be happening oh yeah and you're in you're really in your neighborhood I use that loosely because I know that you guys live near to each other you and Roger and Bob who we didn't have on today but what do you think about that
Starting point is 00:42:30 What do you think it is that it's attracting the level of activity that you guys are seeing? What is about that area? Do you have any ideas on that? Oh, no, not really. It's of deer. But I guess my wife had a, and she looked to the other end and she thought that this big rock had been pulled out. Then she recognized it that it was a bird-type dog. Was it that big?
Starting point is 00:43:28 She said, no, it was about the size of a German shepherd. Big bird? Yeah. Later, I thought, well, when she saw the axe, you know, we didn't get where he was at. I just thought it was interesting, too. Yeah. Large birds. Just to recap, you've got, you know, you've got five or six Bigfoot encounters between wood knocks, sightings.
Starting point is 00:44:11 Even took a photo of them. Saw him as a child. And even saw Bigfoot, young Bigfoot. Thunderbirds all around. And then Roger also describes some energy bubbles coming out of the ground. It seems like these things are in clusters, or they're concentrated to certain areas. Is that part of the story, too? I know they have a cabin on the next river, and they were there this winter early, like in December,
Starting point is 00:44:42 and it was nice here, so they were there, and the sun had already gone down. It's like about 7 o'clock, and all of a sudden the grass to their northwest just started, It looked like it was on fire and light, lots of light and white light. And they got pictures of that. And then there were these orbs that were floating around. They would appear and then disappear. And they were pretty excited. They sent me the email of pictures and stuff.
Starting point is 00:45:16 And we went there then after they saw the pictures. Then we went over there and I used dousing rods and I had them with. and there were two of us doing it, and we were walking in the area where these lights first appeared and showed up. The rods were going in circles and for both of us. And then sometimes the rods would stop and reverse. And very, I'd never seen that happen. I'd never seen that happen. Interesting, interesting.
Starting point is 00:46:16 And that's kind of something that Roger's episode sort of brought up to us, Luke, is like, there's this invisible energy right under the ground and it comes out and maybe that's what's attracting Bigfoot cryptids. Giants, ancient giants, maybe they originally migrated to these hotspots, right, where their energy was pooling underground or something, right? Do you think there's giants buried on your property too? Oh, no, I don't think so, but like the Mayan on that stone and it does kind of have that open V-shaped area.
Starting point is 00:47:33 What are some sort of some concluding, some conclusions? thoughts that you have about all the activity around your property and the Bigfoot creature. Like, what do you think, what do you think Bigfoot is? Obviously, Bigfoot's more interesting than probably giant birds to a lot of people. They want to know, Bigfoot has a lot of fans, and a lot of people love that creature. It's the most beloved creature of all the ones out there. What do you think Bigfoot is? What are your thoughts? And there's no wrong answer, obviously. You just, whatever you think. I'm sure it's a creature that God created.
Starting point is 00:48:09 It's a great ape, very intelligent, and most of them are very timid, and they do a real good job of being able to hide from people. I guess they're used to people, too. You know, to be used to people and still remain hidden from... So you don't think there's any, like, weird, other weird theories of, you know, Roger described him as three-parters. like a chimera. I think it's just pretty animal-like?
Starting point is 00:48:40 Oh, yeah. I don't think, no, there isn't any of that. See, the fallen angels, the purpose of them leaving heaven and pretty much foregoing their chance at salvation, they came down in order to try to ruin the seed line that Jesus Christ would come through. And that was their purpose, but I don't think they could be messing with any animals.
Starting point is 00:49:07 A flesh human has a similar body as an angelic being, except that it's a little different substance. And they were, like Israel was able to eat manna, which is angels food. The angels could produce offspring, too. And as far as the offspring, it wasn't part of God's creation. And that's why I had to get rid of it and tried keeping the seed line that Jesus would come through. you know, Adam and all the way down, a pure seed line, a pure seed line from Adam. Yeah, it had to be human DNA, right?
Starting point is 00:49:45 Like just the genealogy had to be pure. Yeah, yeah. And yeah, and it was, but it took some doing. The first group of angels, you know, produced giants. Well, then those giants died in the flood of Noah, but then there was a second influx of that when, when Abraham, the government, was made with Abraham. Then another group of fallen angels came down and produced offspring of the people that lived
Starting point is 00:50:15 in that area, like the Phoenicians and the Canaanites. And God tried to keep Israel from intermarrying with those people and, you know, keep it polluting the seed line. Yeah, because we debated on our show a lot, Luke, about how do these things survive, how do they come back, the Raphaine, the risen ones? And it sounds like... Is it, yeah, want to know his wives? or is there a second incursion and how do the refaim show up.
Starting point is 00:50:40 So, yeah, a lot of theories about that. Also, a lot of theories about Bigfoot. So we'd like to hear yours. We appreciate it, Leroy. Yeah. Uh-huh. Yep. Yeah, I appreciate there.
Starting point is 00:50:50 There's so many, we could, there's so many rabbit holes here. We could go down between, you know, ancient history to Bigfoot. And I think that part of what we were feeling, Luke, is, is let's, there's a lot of, you know, people that have, that have seen some things over the years. I mean, you know, there's a lot of people who, I don't know how to say this. You know, there's guys with some years under their belts who, in my opinion, don't have a lot of reason to go on a podcast and make up stories, right? Right.
Starting point is 00:51:19 Yeah. Rodgers seems very, very credible. And I've talked to him so many times. And I've been trying to get some of our listeners who think that there's people out there who are these farmers, have been farming their whole life, have any reason to come on a podcast and make up wild stories. Yeah, no. And when you're, you're going to be.
Starting point is 00:51:37 guys start corroborating some of your stories it helps people kind of go man maybe something's going on up there in in in minnesota you know yeah oh hit her yeah i think there's quite a few of the bigfoot around too yeah it sounds like if you want to see bigfoot luke you got to go buy a horse yeah they like horses yeah and get rid of your dog right i guess so yeah uh seems like the dogs and then i don't know just spend the time to try to communicate with them i guess and help or play their music that helps draw them in that they like. I guess they like Native American flute music is their favorite. Oh, wow.
Starting point is 00:52:16 And that's, yeah, that's an interesting one. I don't play the flute. No, it's not you. I got a buddy. My buddy Charles, he's a phenomenal floutist. A floutist? He's a Native American floutist, yeah. This is not a joke.
Starting point is 00:52:30 We're going to go out in the woods. Shout out to Charles, yeah. With Charles, Luke. and we're going to have to come up there. We're going to have to come up there. We're going to get up there and see what's going on. Yeah. One of these days, we're going to get up there.
Starting point is 00:52:46 I've been talking to Roger. We're already kicking around the preliminary idea of coming up there and seeing some of this phenomenon. Is it possible for you to send us some of these photos? I know our listeners are going to want to see anything like this. You said your daughter took a picture of a Thunderbird and then you got a snapshot of that Bigfoot. Man, it would be awesome to see this. Okay, I will. Here's a picture of alleged bigfoot and some thunderbirds and such.
Starting point is 00:53:08 Anything you also want to send us? Like, we're fascinated. Thank you so much for coming on blurry creatures and helping tell the stories of what goes on up there. Yeah. Yeah, it's an interesting area in so many ways. It's just that the chance of being able to see one, you know, you're really lucky. Yeah.

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