Blurry Creatures - EP: 310 Seconds in Heaven with Mickey Robinson

Episode Date: March 18, 2025

Mickey Robinson was a young skydiver chasing adrenaline when everything changed in an instant—a devastating plane crash left him with burns over most of his body and no hope of survival. But death wasn’t the end of his story. Mickey found himself in the afterlife, experiencing the "3rd Heaven" before being miraculously sent back to earth with a mission. What he saw, what he learned, and how he defied medical odds to live and tell the tale. Tune in as we dive into his gripping journey beyond the veil and back again.  👕 Merch from "Blurry Creatures" https://www.blurrycreatures.com/store Become a member! https://blurrycreatures.supercast.com Get our Book of Enoch! https://amzn.to/4gpV4yZ Listen to Blurry Creatures: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/blurry-creatures/id1526885135 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5uPilMKgeZRAJ2AVwSdFRL?si=f42b58855ac7417e Website: blurrycreatures.com Blurry Creatures Socials https://www.tiktok.com/@blurrycreatures https://www.instagram.com/blurrycreatures https://www.facebook.com/blurrycreatures/ https://www.twitter.com/blurrycreatures/ Special Thanks for Platinum Members! Joshua Drummond Maureen Munoz Amber Freeman Nicolle Benz Zach Mills Adam Dougherty Desiree Nichols Kate Logan Kimberly Lee Fayola Shakes Suzanna Wenzel Kent Denmark Michelle Watkins Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I just feel things happening. They have me tipped up a little bit like this and I'm having this rapid breathing, you know. I was going. It was shutting down. All of a sudden, the inner man was thrust out in my body. I didn't like float up and look down and see and all that stuff. I would wish in another dimension. Now there's three, all of it's what I'm going to say is shocking. But I tell you, three shots. The first shock was a total knowing and comprehending of eternity.

Now I'm screaming on the very precipice of eternity. No, God, I'm sorry. Please help me. Give me another chance. I want to be alive. I was thrust through this remaining little crack of light. that the darkness was eclipsing. The history of our earth is so different

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We got Mickey Robinson in the house. He had a horrific accident, but he had the bluriest story happen right after that when he was shot into the third heaven. And he goes into detail in this episode. We ask him a ton of questions about the difference between first, second heaven, and the third heaven. And all the things he saw and the experiences. and what it's like to actually roll into heaven and hang out for a while. Amazing story, right? I mean, near-death experience spent, you know, things that happen after you die, right?

This is the question that's haunted mankind forever, and there's a fraternity, if you will, as Mickey says, of people that have died and come back. And he's one of those guys' horrific plane accident in the late 60s and changed the trajectory of his life. So real pleasure to talk with someone who's bad. to the other side and come back. Yeah, seeing the future, seeing the river of life, all kinds of things he described.

So this is a great one. And they're called NDEs, for the you don't know, the near-death experiences. But if you want to help support this show, get access to extra blurry content, blurrycreatures.com slash members. Check out our merch store.

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basement with Mickey Robinson. Sounds like a baseball player. Crazy story when we, a lot of people over the years have emailed us about near death experiences and just all the weird blurry stuff that goes along with that. But you had severe burns and catastrophic complications that led to death's door experience and a spiritual awakening in you. And you've shared your story all over the world on many shows too like ABC Fox and you did even the history channel did a two hour special on you you've got many books out about this experience and other blurry things and so appreciate you coming into the studio I would love to we'd love to get into this and kind of maybe start with your experience and your story for those that don't know it then we can ask you some

questions about what you saw what you experienced and obviously you've traveled there and back again I'm probably the guess that I've come the farthest to be here. Yeah, exactly. I came from heaven. Yeah, he did. Tell us about that. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,

before we get started, we prefaced this in the pre-roll. Oh, that's true. So, Mickey, so glad you're here. But we start off every one of our shows, whether it's a pastor, theologian, we, you know, Dr. Michael Heiser to Tim McGee from the Bible Project, to John Eldridge. We ask everybody, what are your thoughts on Bigfoot?

Did you have any? What do you think? I'm very curious. I'll tell you why. there's still things there are discovering, even with our technology like creatures in the ocean, they're still discovering. And it's a big world,

even in the wilderness area. And I, we did a thing for many years up in Montana by Glacier Park. Very cool. It's called Revival in the Rockies. And it was a guy that he was, he really believed her bigfoot. And he came there and he parked and he was camping,

but he knew that we were there, but we weren't connecting. He was actually, he hung meat in trees. Really? And it wasn't, first of all, that's very stupid because it's a grizzly bear. It doesn't say it's a good way to get eaten by a grizzly. Yeah, there's a blurry creature there. Yeah, 100%.

And then all of a sudden there was like a dozen police cars. There were people in the bars who wanted to get this. They don't know what's going on, yeah. But it's big and it's mysterious and I'm always curious. I think it could be how they could hide so much, but there's a lot of, a lot of ways that creatures hide and come out at a certain time. And when you're dealing in, so I don't know where the most spotted things, whether it was up in the northwest, Seattle and all that.

Bigfoot goes everywhere. But I've seen wilderness places. Really, I've been in wilderness, but I just was recently up in Northwest Ontario, Canada, two of First Nations. And you're talking about wilderness where people don't go. I mean, if creatures wanted to be private, there's all kinds of places they could go. Yeah. I can say, I'm curious.

Doors open. Yeah. That was kind of the catalyst of this podcast. It's kind of where we started. And then, you know, it was, you spend a couple years researching that creature in particular. Things just don't make sense. And you kind of have to. And it was like, there used to be a podcast about this and also related to a biblical lens

because I feel like there's a lot of strange things in the Bible. And that's kind of, we married those two things, like the paranormal, the strange, in the theological space and just the paranormal weird things that happen in the woods and things that go bump in the night. So we put those things together. And so that's why we ask every guest at the top of the hour. But obviously your story is a wild one. And I'm, and I'm super excited because I, it's funny.

I think it was, this was last year I was having a conversation with a guy by the name of Dr. Henry Cloud. And it was a Donald Miller's place. And he was saying, he was telling about the show. And he said, man, have you talked to anybody who has an NDEE? And I said, no, we actually haven't done that. Which is a near death experience. Right.

And he said, I'm so into this lately because these folks have gone. And there's thousands of these people who have reportedly gone to heaven, died. We've got one. And this is the first time. Maybe the first time we're talking to somebody that's been to the other side. And so start wherever you want. Like we kind of on the pre-roll talked about how you're from, you grew up in Cleveland, the Cleveland, Ohio area.

Start wherever you want. We'd love to hear a story. I know you have a book. It's on the table here called Fallen Into Heaven, which is your story. about, you know, death and return. But yeah, take us where you want to take. Let's talk a little bit about the point of the accident. And then we can flash back a little bit to my upbringing

and how I was, various defining moments or flashpoints leading up to how I became a skydiver and how, you know, I think it's a shocking thing. And we just had recent stuff about sudden death. We had this terrible helicopters smashing a new plane. little kids and all that. So my death wasn't instantly sudden, but then I got sudden life.

And that's what I like to tell people. This is not about death. My experience in my life now is not about, it's about life. And I got infusion, indisputable things that we'll talk about. But leading up to it, there was various things that I was always,

as a little kid, I was fascinated with everything up. You know, it'd swing on vines. It was real adventurous and everything from the right brother's side, I knew everything about NASA and the Mercury 7 Pile, all that stuff, you know. And I was always fascinated with that. And it's always, and I started, and we'll get into, when we do a little bit of back story,

when we started flying airplanes, I was really good at it, just out of the box for whatever reason. But then I found out jumping out of them was really, was really the deal. I've done it a couple times. I did in Hawaii. Hawaii is a good place. I did in San Diego.

Yeah, Hawaii is a good place. It's kind of crazy going out of the ocean. But yeah, I understand, like, personally understand the allure of that. There's really nothing like it. On earth, it's another dimension. It's another, as far as a physical dimension. And it was my, the sky was my cathedral.

And there were very few priests of this level who could do certain things. And I was accelerating in that. So, you know, you talk about living for the moment. My moment was the time in free fall, opening your parachute for maybe a five-minute ride back down and hurry up and do it again. And there was a lot of things that I ignored, like the trauma that was going on. I could have been drafted, gone to Vietnam.

I was planning on getting engaged at Christmas. My girlfriend was older than me, and she was in university in Southern Ohio. But everything else was kind of on the backburn, business, all the stuff I'd been. And I wheezzled my way into, I don't know if you saw any of this, into a job in a trendy stockbroker's firm in downtown Cleveland. I had been to university. I didn't even read a book. I just, you know, flashy, cocky, self-assured guy.

I dressed a combination between James Bond and Superman. I dressed up as cool as I could look and went down there and interviewed. And then, you know, I felt like I was Zorro going into beginner's fencing class. You know, I got this, you know, and then I found out they were going to interview 300 people. And they got it down to a short list of 10. And I just went in there. I did the same thing for the second interview. Look, man, I can do this. You need to hire me. And they hired me.

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vietnam war is going business you could be a dull german shepherd and make money if you had a little bit of common sense but it was about to sizzle right you know here i am that you know when you're in cleveland you know where the terminal tower used to be the tallest building yeah our address was room number one of the terminal tower. I've been up to the, I've been up in it. Yeah, and I mean, you walked in there. It was flip. Back then, it was so flashy place and the clients that were coming in were like namesing. And I'm just in there like pat me on the back as if I knew what I was doing, taking me to lunch. So my ego was expanding. You know, the good year blimp used to live in my backyard, actually actual Akron Ohio. Yeah. But it was, you know, when you're young and you're doing good at something,

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We should go to California and we can get jobs out there. I got him a job. But he saw me, he came back and he saw me dressed up. He's like, where do you work? He said, well, don't you? He says, can you get me a job there? He says, you get me a job there? I was the guy's a part and also get hammered and hustle chicks.

And I said, no. So I got him a job across the, Cleveland Public Square at Merrill Lynch. And he got a job there and he liked doing that, but we didn't, we weren't in the same business. We weren't in the same company. And then he had this thing, he says, you know, we can go do this.

And seriously, he said California, and they said, we can go to Florida and do this. And I made a stupid mistake. I quit my job, went down there, and I knew as soon as I got there, this is really stupid. You know, I mean, I was in a position where they were grooming me to be,

you know, a prime executive down there. I just started 18 years old. You know, you know what it's like. Yeah. You get some kind of door opens like that. Yeah. I came back and I just got a job making money. I was going to try and get back into business.

And then I found a little ad. Take a flying lesson for $5 in Medina. Yeah. And that little field down I went up there. I was really good at it. And I started doing it. And then I went down to Cleveland Sportsman Show. It's a big sportsman exhibit.

I'm sure you guys know what they're like. I mean, and all this. I'm looking for this. I saw it actually in a James Bond movie called the Benson gyrocopter. You use a Volkswagen motor and a tricycle frame. I'm sure a lawn chair would be involved in duct tape. And it's actually a cool, a guy in North Carolina made it, and it's really a cool flying machine that I could, even though I meant that mechanical, but I could put it together and have it for less than $2,000. Wow. And so I'm looking for that. And I see this big screen, and a big colored picture.

And it's like the guy in the movie sees the girl and everything, he's slow motion, everything's blurry on both sides. And he's running like this. And it was a big picture of people in free fall. High definition. It's like,

wow, there's a club like this. It was out in Parkman, Ohio, kind of Amish country, about an hour away from where I lived at that time. All the old Amish skydivers, you know. They come up in their buggies, and they get in the plane. And anyway, and so I went out there

and signed up after one jump. It was great. And then it was a package for like seven. What year is this, Mickey? In 1968. One of the worst years in America, I might add. Okay. And after 20 jumps, I was asked to be on a professional demonstration team, which is, I don't know anybody.

This wasn't skydiving like it is now. You didn't have these tandem jumps. You actually had to learn how to do it at every level. And you only got to jump at a higher altitude when you were proficient at that altitude. So all solo jumps. They all solo jumps. right? Yeah, they're not.

Because sometimes they don't let you do that. So I chose to go the route of what's called relative work. We need form formations in the sky and do that. And we would jump into church carnivals and they even had gambling. It's got to have a bingo. They had a big place of plastic out with squares 1 to 15 and people bought raffle tickets

or gambling tickets. And the guy would go out, we'd have military smoke bomb on your ankle and you pull it and let it see it. And the guy, if he landed on one of those numbers, you'd win what all this money? like 15,000 people. And if you got number 16, that was that you missed the whole thing. Right.

So I mean, but I did it for the pleasure. I mean, we got made a little bit of money and all the beer and hot dogs you wanted to eat and you walk around with your suit on. Did you really get in an airplane? It's like me getting in the car to come here. It's like, and flying at that time and become kind of boring.

It took too long. So we're gonna go up, it was on a Thursday night in the middle of August, in 1968, August 15th. We started a club, we had two students. One, it was the first jump suit, He would go out at 2,800 feet with a static cord, like the military. And the other guy was going to go out at like 4,000 feet. And then three of us were going to go up to 13,500, which pretty high.

We had a Piper Cherokee, six. We took five to six seats out. And it was going to be a long flight. And so I sat down on the floor next to the pilot. He was the only one in his seat. And the two students were like one of them. Their back was against my back and just lean against them. And the other guy was over here.

and they were facing the two guys in the back. And it's going to be routine. I want to just get those guys out and go all the way. It's going to take a long time. We'd fly around and let the guy out of 2,800. So I'm just like, we waved at the people on the ground. They were like skydiving groupies. Groundhogs or woofels.

Woofell, you jump out of an air. Groundhog. They're like the old skydave or groupies. That's a... We liked them, but they never... They really wanted to jump just never... Yeah, we weren't. And I was not obnoxious.

I was just so into this. Yeah. I mean, I was like, you talk about, you know, you know, I don't like you, addicted or obsessed, but one guy said, well, you were addicted. Yeah. I was doing something that gave me free fall.

It was a good name when I was falling into freedom from the past of having an abusive father and different things that were weird and different things like that. And for that moment, I felt like I was free. Yeah. Open the parachute and, you know, I'd do it again. It was.

Yeah, it was your passion. That's what you're into. Yeah. It was definitely my passion. And we had just taken off. And like I really was just going to take a nap as trying to rest because I didn't want to fly. And I heard the stall light starting to buzz. The stall light is which begins to warn you that this guy, this plane was a new plane to him.

We had rented one. He had rented one like this to use to accommodate us for show jumps. But it was so much power to him. He just, it's a hot, humid summer night in August, which is the worst for aviation. things just unstable up and down you over you know different and but he took off and he was just climbing out and all of a sudden I was awakened by a sound dead silence the motor quit he's oh my god he hit me in the shoulder and I'm sitting on the floor so I'm a little bit lower and I couldn't even see out the window probably very much he said we're going down and you know people

say well you know to recover from a stall in normal flight you just lower the nose and gain air speed, but not at less than 100 feet in the air and going like 100 miles an hour. And when you lose lift. So it just started up. When you lose lift, you're not flying. Right. There's no gliding. It could be, you might as well be in a pickup, you know.

Yeah. So it came down. We hit a tree right next to me where the wing joins the fuselage. And, you know, my face stopped my body going about 100 miles an hour, right against the instrument panel. We cartwheeled a couple of times and it wedged into the ground. And I don't remember, the last thing I remember is what the pilot said, oh my God, he hit me. He said, we're going down. I don't remember the crash, and I don't remember the start of the fire.

So there was confusion. These two students, they went this way. They banged their faces against the two other guys. And one guy, Steve ushered them, get them out of here. And Dan, who should have, who was really my partner, he started the club. He's the one that started the club that I joined. He was the closest, but he was the last one out. The pilot was in a seat, and it was wedged underneath there.

They couldn't have got them out even if, well, there was a fire that came, but even if there wasn't, it would take a long time to get them out. Anyway, he got out and the plane exploded. LinkedIn is pretty amazing at helping you grow your small business. We cannot make your email response time faster. We can help you sell, market, and hire in one place. We cannot help you find space for your three-desk drink. Why do you have three?

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was splashing all over me and inside, and it exploded, and I'm on fire from head to toe. And for some stupid reason, I did not put my helmet on, maybe because I thought it was gonna be a long flight. And so everything was soaked, and none on my back was protected because of the parachute and I had my jumpsuit on and all that, but I had my legs sticking out this opening,

and with this hand, I'm pulling, trying to get up, but something had me caught. So my chariot of pleasure become my funeral body. And Dan got out, he heard screaming, and went back inside and grabbed me by my parachute harness. And it was one of these superhuman things. He tore them out.

That's 2,000 pounds tensile string. Wow. Those straps, pulled his thumbs out of a sock as he goes to get on the ground and they rolled me out. It's hard to put it out. And he said, get up, because they're waiting for the empty one to blow. Now, he said, Walt, under your seat,

I'll be back for you. They couldn't have him out and he was burned alive, the pilot. Wow. And he said, go get. away so I took a kid he said Mick get out here and so I took a few steps and I remember falling over backwards very blurry you know I mean you know and hit my head and I went to put my hand to see what happened I looked in the back of my

head was stuck to the palm of my hand and I just went back down next thing I was in an ambulance racing away to the closest little hospital they could get me to and for the first time my life although I was in a raised in the Catholic Church so I'm in church since I'm an infant and I'm not trying to cast asparagus on the Catholic Church but I I never met one person or had a real encounter. So I cried out to the God that I didn't know and to a Lord I never served. Please help me, help me.

It's the most common prayer that breaks through the floor of heaven into this throne is helping any language. And I get there and somehow they got a hold of my mom and she was there for a minute and then they got me into surgery or whatever and I don't remember that. And they didn't think I'd make it through the night

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But then the worst thing about these kind of injuries, so I had a brain injury, a contusion of my brain. I was blind in my right eye, the eyelids were just burnt off and rolled back. When they put the oxygen mask on my face, my face kind of slid off over here and fell on the ground. Oh my gosh. And my partner, Dan, that was a little hysterical, the guy that rescued me, punched the guy. The paramedic and took out his jump master's knife and cut the mask off and put the hose of my mouth and held it as we're flying to the hospital. And massive burns everywhere, contusions. But the worst thing is the stuff they tried to protect and they did everything could.

Massive infection ensued all over my body, inside of my body. I didn't, for some reason, didn't inhale flames when I was screaming. I don't know how because this was hot, everywhere. I kind of a little bit remember like waving like this as this plastic was melting and sinking into my body. But I don't remember if it hurting then, okay, maybe because of the shock right. And but what happened in a short period time is I lost 45% of my body weight and what they didn't know after they got me in there in intensive care, it would give me food and I would chew it up and we go down and we'll come flying out.

They thought I lost the will to live and I was throwing off on purpose. But the lower five inches of my esophagus, I didn't know it, I was born with a hyidal hernia that I didn't know. So when I was in a coma, those hydrochloric acids washed back and digested down to the diameter about like a cord, you pull a string out.

Food couldn't go through. So I'd tell you everything else, I'm dying of starvation. Wow. And the amount of evaporation, just with this kind of sores, open sores, and then the skin graft and all that. burns up a doctor told me it was a friend of mine um one leader was to be six or seven thousand calories so that was happening about so you're just five times that day so it burning up 40,000. It's like massively working out and then not eating right? You're just wasting.

Yeah well it just and it just began to eat my body began to eat my own muscle for you know for food. So I went down and I was at 92 pounds I had holes from beds from bones were sticking through open sores. So they were just, they brought out, I don't know what you were familiar with Cleveland, but Case Western Reserve is a pretty famous education hospital. They brought a specialist in from there, and he listed all these, all the medical language things, about five or six fatal complications.

He said, there's simply nothing that can be offered this young man. Just basically wait for the mercy of death. They knew I was going to die, even though they were trying to do everything that they're supposed to do. I was in a coma. And this is, I mean, you could still. stick a scalpel on me. I went, no, he can stick a fork in me. People say that. I wouldn't move. I couldn't see. I couldn't hear. None of that stuff. This doctor came up alongside my bed.

I could tell you what he was wearing. He had my chart with him, like on a clipboard. He said, when this, he's talking to a nurse on the other side. Now, I can't move, but my spirit evidently could see him. Wow. And he said, when this patient, Mr. Robinson dies, I want you to completely sanitize this whole area because there was stuff all over. And I want you to bring this guy, Clark, and another patient in intensive care. I'm thinking, No, no, we're talking about it. Yeah, yeah. You know, and so I tell you.

But you can see this. You're saying. I tell you, if you go to the hospital and the people say they're gone, they can't hear you, talk to them like they're there because they can hear you if they're still there. And they can even make decision, you can speak life to them. So I tell them all, and I do that all the time. Don't act like they're not there because they could be very, they could either get really jacked up or be sad. Right. Yeah.

Anyway, and so that happened the day before. So the next day I'm awakened. something was happening. I could feel, be like going in my garage and start throwing switches on breaker box. I just feel things happening. They have me tipped up a little bit like this and I'm having this rapid breathing, you know. So I was going. It was shutting down. And suddenly, and I said I was burning up with a fever, but they couldn't do like ice packs or alcohol because that was raw. It's just so much my body was raw. You know, they're doing patching skin grafts, which a lot of areas were disappearing where they could do that. I would burn up with the feet.

and they had like a vinyl thing underneath the sheets that had a cold fluid circulating through it. So I'm burning up and freezing at the same time. And just, you know, all this rapid breathing, my body probably trying to bring oxygen in, whatever. All of a sudden, the inner man was thrust out in my body. I didn't like float up and look down and see and all that stuff. I would wish in another dimension.

Now there's three, all of it, what I would say is shocking. But I tell you, three shots, the first shock was, shock was a total knowing and comprehending of eternity now we can ascend that way here on earth with our with joy and imagination and and knowing that we're going to be a living but to know that this spirit and everybody's going to experience this you know uh is going to be forever is a shock and there is no arguing and it's like and there's no questioning is this real it's like you know that you know that you know. It's just instantaneous. Like an overwhelming sense or is it just like a...

It's just like... It's a big wow. Yeah. You know, and you know that this is very real because you know what it is that you're a spirit person. I didn't think about the crash or where my body is. I didn't think about anything. You can't. You're flabbergasted in this dimension.

And off in the distance somewhere in a house, there was a white circular thing. Purious white light. You used to live in Wisconsin. You know when it's bright snow and it's... Oh, yeah. You can't even... sunglasses don't even help.

It was brighter, whiter than that, and brighter than the sun, but you could look at it. And I felt like a piece radiating from it, like a vibration of peace. And so I'm traveling, like on an upward glide path. I always took an aviation. And as I'm getting there, and everything about this is more amazing than Earth. Colors, everything, but it was mostly black. And then I came close to this thing, and I looked, I said, I felt like a pressure. I don't know, on my right side, and I looked, I looked into something that was blacker than black.

I had a multiple revelatory understanding. It's eternal. There is no bottom to this abyss that if a person goes in there, it would be like me taking you and putting you in a swimming pool full of black ink. You'd be super conscious, knowing you're going to be super conscious forever. You'll never see anybody, say anything, hear anything, know anything forever. You'll know that. and you will desire anything and everything knowing you will never get anything. It's called the outer darkness.

It's terrifying. When there's weeping and gnashing of teeth. And as it was closing, as I'm still almost to this white portal, this white opening or whatever it is. And it began to eclipse it, like closing like this. And I started screaming the same klutzy, desperate prayer that was in the ambulance or two in the morning intensive care when they give you the largest legal dose of pain medicine done to anything. anything. You're going for an operation, you're going in, you don't know if you're coming out. I say, God, please help me. Now I'm screaming on the very precipice of eternity. No, God, I'm sorry. Please help me. Give me another chance. I want to be alive.

I was thrust through this remaining little crack of light that the darkness was eclipsing. I'm standing down with the Apostle Paul caused the third heaven. He said, I know a man 14 years ago. He's talking by himself in the third person. And he didn't want to brag. He said, He said, I was in the body or out of the body. I don't know. I think it's when they stoned him outside the city. And I think he had a near-death experience. However, the next shocking thing I want to tell you

and all these people is in my conscious mind, and I'm talking about very conscious. He said, I've never done anything wrong and never experienced one thing bad, even getting scared and having a little muscle memory thing. It doesn't exist anymore. And you know how we hear it says in the Bible that God forgives our sins and forgets it.

Well, I'm living a new life, but I still have memory with a lot of stupid things I did. I can laugh at some of them now, some of them, whatever. It's like it never happened. You said this place was steps from the water. We just haven't found the steps yet. How much did we save? Enough. Enough to get lost.

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I want to talk to people or check my mail or feed the... It's like, they weren't really in the first heaven. There's a second heaven, a place of delusion that people have been to. And that it changes their life. Nerdex experience usually changes people life. Ernest Hemingway was grazed in World War I. And he said it was like he took a handkerchief out of his pocket. He just kind of went on and went back yet.

Just saying you have an out-of-body experience, but you're still on kind of on earth. Doesn't mean they're having experience. They have a life-changing experience. Yeah. Yeah. But some people do not have a God encounter experience. And then I have the contrast of seeing these outer darkness. And why was it like that?

I think, Luke, it was like my life history. From the time I was born until I cried out to God, I was a dead man. And God gave me a space in which I could repent and ask for his help. And now this was the answer to that. So that's what I think it was. Wow. Even though I was biologically, obviously alive. And I had a spirit, but my spirit was dead

and not connected to the, it was dead in terms of connecting to the Lord. And so now I'm, I'm saying, what was it like? Well, and how long was it like, we'll get to those questions. Yeah. Well, first of all, ask me a question. Well, I mean, what you're describing to me is like,

so you're having, you're thrust out of your body and you have this kind of vision of utter darkness. I was in what I thought would call the second heaven. Okay. Heavens are plural. Yeah, I mean, that's the whole, yeah. the ancient Hebrew because of three heavens. You slip through a crack into the second heaven

and you see Apostle Paul? No, no, no, no. I'm quoting Apostle Paul. Oh, okay. No, I'm like, no. Not you saw him. When Paul said, I know a man who 14 years ago was caught up in the third heaven.

So it was himself. He was trying to be homeless. I can't even talk about this stuff. So you think that as you're traveling on this plane that you're seeing the abyss and that's, and then you slip into the third heaven into. When I cried out to God, which I had already done,

but I think it, it was somewhat of a historical thing. And then God heard me in the ambulance that I was sincere. So what happens when you get inside the light there? Are you, do you have- Wait, so this is happening when you're in the ambulance? No, this is happening at the hospital. My first desperate cry was in the ambulance.

And there were other times when I said, please help me, like you're, you know. But now I'm actually experiencing this in the second heaven looking at this outer darkness that wants to swallow me. Yeah. It sounds almost like, to me it's like the thief the cross, right? You have this. He had a real near-death experience. He's at the door and he's like,

Jesus, you're innocent. I got what I deserve. And I believe in you and he says, well, hey, you'll be with me. Today, this day you'll be in paradise. So you're kind of in between life and death and having conversion, sort of. I think the forgiveness happened when I cried out to him in the ambulance. What happens when you slip through? Because you're in the, you end up with life. I love that you actually have this like bright light experience. People, you hear about this, right? Like the, you start moving towards the light. And I, uh,

it's interesting. I, my grandmother just died in January and she was sort of, um, in her last, uh, days she was, I don't know,

I can describe, my mom talks about it was she was kind of between. Yeah. She would, she would say she could hear singing and yeah, she could, she was speaking to her grandmother that she never met and she would talk about how she couldn't get through the window.

Like she was in, like she couldn't get out. So when you talk about the, the darkness closing, you kind of pass through like the eclipse as you call, But does then, once you enter the light, does everything sort of come into focus and you're able to see what's happening?

See better than you can imagine. The structures was like translucent crystal glass and amazing. Now God's presence was somewhere to my life. I did not see God, I didn't see any creatures, didn't see any people, didn't see any fat little babies with pamper's playing guitar, and see nothing like that.

But the vibration was amazing now. Then as I- What do you mean by that? What do you mean like the- It's the glory of God is everywhere. And then light comes into everything and goes out of everything. And everything is alive. And everything automatically worships God at a dimension of vibration.

Again, we don't have the descriptive words. It's just like, woo, it's super love. It's amazing. And then going through me was about 12 inches wide, a vibrating substance that was golden with a little flex of like golden. And it was going through me from where my. my waist would be in my knees, it's the river of life. Wow. It's an extension of God.

It's from the very beginning of the Bible all the way through the end. And this river is more alive than all the vitamins and working out in a gym. And being, I mean, you are, it's, everything is alive. I mean, it's a life, it's a living situation that's incredible. Like a physical place that's just like. Well, it's happening, it would happen to me, but it also gets in us when we get the Lord and get the spirit. but anyway. So then I saw an open vision that would relate six and a quarter years of the future.

And it was like five-dimensional, like a wrap-around. I'm seeing things I didn't know. Some bad things like I saw the whole drug scene like Woodstock stuff and all that. People shoot needles in themselves. And I was an observer. Some things I was drawn into the very matrix of what was going on. Like I saw my wife, well, five and a half years before I was to meet her. in heaven. And I remember I had my hand on this arm on a rusty, like a garden gate. And it was really real nice outside. And I could smell these lilac bushes. I could smell them even though I didn't have a nose. And I turned to see this really, really pretty foxy 19-year-old and poor manor. And it was just peaceful because we bought this little farmette in Ashland County, Ohio. And we had horses a little bit. We didn't know what we were doing. But we, but we, It was, it was. You saw all this.

Yeah. And then the Lord kind of blocked it out when I met her and then brought it back. And another, so I saw. So you say 5D, so you're like, when you're saying to this vision, you're like feeling, smelling, it's like it's more, is it just feeling exceptionally real?

No, some of it was I was an observer. Okay. It's very real. Like you're there, but you're watching. And some of it, you're actually, it's actually your being. Yeah. And so that happened in several defining moments.

The very last thing, so I'm talking about, I saw all of this, like six and a quarter years. How can that be? It's like, God got to show me a million years. But this is what he showed me, and there was a real purpose in it. And the last thing I saw, I saw a group of people, a small group like five or six people in a tropical place up on a hill, and I could hear this one person talking, even though it was way far away.

And all of a sudden, Zoom, I was zapped over there, and it was me talking, and I said, this is paradise. So it was in Jamaica, up on a hill, outside of a place called Nogril. Savannah right next to it. And it was 105 acres on top of a hill that I got a little bit of money and we're going to buy it. We're going to subdivide it and we pull people down the beach behind a pair of sale and eat fruits. And don't bother anybody. It's like, this was my plan.

Yeah. I met Barbara. This was the second time we were there and actually had money sent down to it. And then all of a sudden the vision came to me and I go, oh my God. I said, Barbara, we can't do this. So went back and flew back. We were down there for three weeks. We went back and it was warm when we left.

It was freezing. All we had was warm. We got out of the airport in Columbus, Ohio. But anything. And then we bought the little place, you know. So all these things came to pass. But anything I tried to do on my own just didn't work. And, you know, different things.

I mean, you got little jobs to make money and all that. Until, and I started speaking and sharing out of places that anybody would have me. And then it became a pastor, another pastor. and another pastor in a little place in a college town, National Ohio. And then a number of years later to another church in Butler, a little town, outside of Mansfield, Ohio, town of 800. We have people come from, we were the cult. We had rock music, tambourines, and all this stuff and all of that.

And outside of Mansfield, Ohio. So I'm a little confused between the last thing you saw in heaven and how that translated to actual reality. When the vision went away, the Lord spoke to me, not in words, but direct spirit-to-spirit communication that I was going back. And I said, oh, no, I didn't want to go back there again. Anybody says they volunteered, they were not really in heaven. Yeah.

You know, and they were in a second heaven, which is very spooky. I think it goes all the way down here. Yeah. And there's all kinds of pretend Jesus is and fake things. We hear that. I mean, that's a lot of like. Real stuff in the, in the, in the, unseen. And you experienced that for like very briefly like second heaven. Well I went through there

to get to the third heaven and I went back so when the Lord spoke I started drifting and it went down and I didn't really see much going back in the second heaven but I could feel my spirit go through the roof of the hospital. Wow. Like if you're if you were a spirit it would be like going through a a bushy tree. You could feel that kind of touching you, sink into my body. And I woke up. I could see out of this eye

because this one was blind. And here out of my ears. And I woke up. And I heard myself worshiping God in a foreign language that I know nothing about. And when I thought of it, it stopped.

And then around the bed, I said that there was like a habit, I don't know how many, there was doctors and nurses look at me. And I had the ability to know everything about them. They were terrified. They were so scared.

scared and they had to go change their papers i mean they you were telling them no i could feel it i could tell because what they saw they were going to have to write down the guy who's dead came back and i i felt bad that they felt bad huh i'm just as screwed up just as had all the same fatal complications yeah but i was so full of the god the love of god that i experienced wasn't a memory that would never that I would never forget that love was inside me and that river of life that was so real was now inside me i loved it here i am i'm as screwed up as you can imagine pain unquenchable no hope for the future yeah and yeah i'm full of life and i felt bad that these people felt bad and so there was a lot of stuff they felt bad that you were still you you're alive again because of

because of they were in shock and they didn't know you know something scared them badly. So I was on death's door for another three to four months. Like one of the pictures that you showed there, that was when it was about four months after the accident. So what do you think they saw that when you came back in your body, what do you think that they were experienced was? Do you think they could hear you? Well, first, the main doctor was blown away. He was happy. He told me after they did, the neurologist came in. It put the electrodes on. So I had dead nerves in both legs in the front he said well he says that i you're never going to walk normal again i and the only thing that wasn't totally this was secondary burns here i pulled myself always said i am walking out of here

and and it wasn't being funky somehow i just knew wow and um yeah so i didn't actually i took a couple steps you can see them on some of the pictures that you'll put on the post-production um i took a couple steps it was like i climbed mount ever since won the olympics all in the same day that guy's actually hold me up that therapist and his hand my hand was so bad they were going to amputate with so much infection but he's like he's going to die anyway we'll just leave it on thank god yeah they thought that and those legs they're like broomsticks yeah you were just i mean you lost so much of your body weight and the nerves were dead you guys know enough about yeah probably about that they don't come back if they do it would be very slow and so middle of may of 69 i was in a rea they moved me finally to

a rehabilitation i could tell you more kind of reminds me like when you're describing being heaven the idea of the tesseract anyone who's seen interstellar there's this it's like that's a multiple universe yeah movie okay it's like you know there's there's multiple times kind of happening at once and you're you're you're you're in heaven you're in the third heaven and but you're seeing the future is it is it is it like a how is that how are you able to visualize that is it like a movie is it it was like a yeah it was like a 4k movie okay and some of like i said i want to stipulate that some of it I was an observer. It's not, I was there somewhere looking at,

and some of it I was part of what was going on. Like the deal in Jamaica, I got zapped over and hurt myself. So I was there. And when it came back to me, I told Barbara, we can't do this. It would probably ruin my life. You're living that experience for like a split second and then you're back in the third heaven. Is it like you're going in and out, phasing?

No, after I saw that and that open vision dissipated, the presence of God was there. I didn't see him, but he spoke. in this supernatural language, is spirit to spirit, and I left the third heaven dimension. I came past through, must have passed through the second heaven,

and my spirit sank into my body. What was that the sensation like? Do you feel that coming back into your body? Yeah, I could feel my spirits. It's like when they beam up on Star Trek. Yeah. Things material. So I'm flat on my back, looking up,

and there was one of those circular ventilator things on the ceiling. Yeah. And I could see out of this eye, and I woke up, and I'm alive. and I'm full of the Spirit of God. And full of this love, this is like the most wonderful, stupid love. You love everything.

Do they tell you how long you were dead for? Those records aren't there. I do have the discharge records with this specialist making all these comments. There's nothing that can be done. Did they try to paddle you? I don't know, because in the 60s, what were they doing? Were they just letting you go? Or was it they tried to resuscitate you at all?

They weren't going to try. Yeah, I mean, because of condition, they basically thought that was happening anyway. Yeah. But I came back without it. And then, you know, there was, there was critical stuff that happened where I could have died. When you're going through the second heaven. On the way towards. Yeah.

And the way back, it seems like, what do you, what kind of things are you seeing? Like, you said something about false Jesus. And I'm just curious about that. I didn't see any people or creatures. I saw this dimension. And it's eternal. So the most vivid thing was this white circular thing. and you don't have control.

Right. You can't swim right. You're being drawn. And you're in awe. I could say, you're flabbergasted. And it wasn't, I didn't feel anything scary until I saw this abyss.

Does that have a draw too, Mickey? Do you feel like there's like it's, it has a pool itself like there? If you're not, if you're not connected to the Lord, people are, when you're absent from, absence from the body,

you're present with the Lord. But if you don't know the Lord, you're not present with them. And what's there for you, I believe the lake of fire stuff isn't happening yet. Right. That's for the, yeah, I agree. That was meant for the angels.

And so, and I don't think at the time, at the time until Jesus died on the cross, I think people were in Abraham's bosom. And what Paul saw himself was, heaven was open. So he was in the third heaven. Yeah, because Jesus opened. But like the good thief, he went to a paradise. Because there was three days. Well, it says that, you know how the veil when he died,

the veil on the temple, which could have been six inches thick, was torn from top to the bottom. The writer of Hebrews says, he is the veil. So when he was torn, heaven was open. When he appeared to Peter, James, and John in the Mount of Transfiguration, he's got Moses on one side. I always felt bad for Moses. I mean, my God, take these people, weird, two and a half million people, and he can't go in. It's awful. It's what a deal.

He did get mad, you know. And then you got Elijah, who, you know, he's walking on the other side. and they're asking Jesus, when is the time of your demise? So there was a crack in the dimensions. They saw Jesus glorified shiny clothes, and they're like this, and they look at them. And then Peter, being the big mouth, he is, interrupts them talking. Can you imagine?

It's really cool that we're here. We'll build one tabernacle and we'll three tabernacles. And then the clock comes down and said, Peter, just listen to just cool your jest, just listen to Jesus. They didn't understand what it meant. He was preparing them because he said eight days before that, some of you are alive here are going to see the kingdom of God. You know, and so it's, for me, it's experiential.

Like, I had heard of the kingdom of God. Yeah. And I heard to Jesus. And I heard of miracles in the Bible. But it wasn't happening. And I didn't meet anybody or see anything until I called out to God. When there was no hope. Mickey, let me ask you this, because it's interesting.

Like, the thief on the cross thing resonates and also your story. Like, does this change your idea of how. salvation works because I think if we've grown up in the church right it's just like you pray the the sinner's prayer and and but obviously for you did that happen I mean that's what I'm going to ask you so before you're raising the Catholic church to the point of your your death at you know on that day do you have this salvation moment or do you feel like that as you said the salvation moment is you crying out to God because that's a that's a paradigm shift for people for people to be like oh I didn't say the prayer I didn't do this thing because we're kind of in this people we're going to be

surprise at the people that aren't there that are pseudo-Christians, nominal Christians, or some other form. Specific about that, right? I didn't know you. Or the people that we think shouldn't be there. We don't know what goes on in their secret life. And I don't ever try. I can be pretty intense and sometimes you are, but I never try and use fear and guilt.

You can drive a goat into a sheep pen and there's still a goat. You can scare people to stand up. And I've given invitations all over the world and people without me being a real. I mean, I had some other experiences that I'd like to share. I don't know. Lots of supernatural experiences, but one about the history channel, something that happened, but I don't want. But in terms of salvation, first, the Greek word is sozo.

And it includes healing. It includes freedom from torment and different things like that. But salvation, very commonly is an assurance that when you die, you're gonna go to heaven, be with the Lord. Right. But there's other kingdom of God, while we're here, we're supposed to live,

supernaturally. Yeah. You know, and it's hard. The road in the flesh is easy. It's a six-lane highway with road stops everywhere, but in the end is destruction. Yeah. You know, and there's a way that seems right. But to navigate on this river that the Lord has us in is exhilarating and skillful, but it's still dangerous. Dangerous, yeah. No, I mean, it's, you know, whether we get in the doctrine, once saved, always saved, but there is, there has risen up. up in maybe two decades ago, kind of a hyper grace. Like, what you do doesn't matter. Now, there's consequences.

And these you occur here, whether or not you can cancel yourself. That's not up to me. And there's nobody that has a right to judge who's in heaven and who's not in heaven. There's one judge and a lawgiver. Now, Jesus became sin on our behalf. All the time he talked about his father, his father, but in Psalm 22, he quotes, My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? For a moment, God turned his back on Jesus.

I mean, he suffered in that garden. To me, when I went to Israel, I said, I'm probably going to get zapped in the garden in Kitsemone. Because as a man, everything we ever, every fear, every crappy thing we ever experienced was being poured on him. So much he wanted help of prayer from his friends. And they didn't.

But then after he said, nevertheless, not what I want, but what you want be done and the angels came and comfort him. You're opining about how our salvation works, but if like, do you think that you were saved in asking God for help, or do you think that God gave you that and that was,

and coming back, you were like, this is, I believe, because of that? Or are you believe before that? Let's elaborate. Though I was physically dead for some, something, I think I was still attached. Okay. Because in the scriptures talk about

until the golden, the golden cord is broken. That's when there's a disconnect. Yeah. And so, you know, Lazarus was four days, but he was still, he was still redeemable. Yeah. You know, I don't think that he, that cord snapped yet.

And I, people that have raised, no people, real people, personal people I know. One is a really special friend of my name, Ahshabda, who raised the dead. Paid for, prayed for a woman with, no eyes and she got eyes. Wow. Did all kinds of cool stuff. Yeah. Wow. East Indian by heritage, but raised in Africa and came to the United States. He was the highest rank Hindu came to the Lord and he got filled with the Spirit. Jesus appeared and said, oh my little

brother put his hands on him. And so he's a Baptist kid. He's going to school in Lubbock, Texas. Anyway, he, I know other people in their ministries, hundreds have been raised from the dead. Yeah. Just stories. It might be shocking to people, right? Stories that would seem hard to believe, but then there's real people. Yeah. Like, this guy's alive. What you're describing seems to be a lot of what we heard. Some people will talk about astral projection going out of their body.

But if the... We're in a physical world and the supernatural invades the impossible. You know, we pray let your kingdom come on earth as it is in heaven. And so when we have these, some people don't even have a bit of knowledge about this. Yeah. And somehow God touches them. We have a woman following Jesus. she's unclean because she has an issue of blood for 12 years.

Tried to get healed. Went to the doctor, spent all her money, and she's low to the ground just touching. Jesus didn't know she was back there. He didn't know that was going to happen. Jesus had to operate on earth, mostly like we do. As a man, yeah.

Yeah, as a man. And she touches this, and he feels she withdrew the honor, the virtue, the power. He said, who touched me? Of course, Peter trying to be a big shot by it. Well, you're talking about, everybody. He said, no, I felt power. Then he looks at her, and he says,

your faith has healed you. It was like, but so she had, if I could just touch, even the lowest part of them, the part that drags across the ground over manure and all that. But she believed

that she could just do that, she had a chance. And so in some way, my contact with the Lord was that desperate. I didn't know, I didn't know how bad I was hurt. I know he was hurt bad,

but I cried out to God. And so then, I think the repentance brought the mercy, and where I was really born again, obviously I said the Lord began to open doors for me in the spirit realm somehow. And so when I was in this space of actually getting worse and actually succumbing, I believe I'm still spiritually attacked, attached to my body. And I'd just tell you some examples of the medical people. So I was in that hospital from August 15th to like

January 20th and I got transferred. They tried to get a bed in a rehabilitation hospital on the other side of Cleveland, actually in Warrensville. Forna beds mostly of hopeless cases, but they had all this physical therapy, they had dentistry, they had surgery, all this stuff, and so I finally got in there. And they, first thing they did is take all my bandages off

and my mom saw me really for the first time like that. I think the Lord, and she got hysterical, the doctor had a slap her and help her. She just went, like, my brother, my kid brother, who was so good to me, he was only 14. He said, it looked like you had another plane crash on the way over here. You know, here it is, you know, like, yeah.

But five months or whatever it was after that. And I was a mess, you know, and I still couldn't do anything. I'm still, need a lot of skin grafting, and I was like this and weak and everything else, but I started to get better. And when I got a phone call on a pay phone, they would call the nurse's desk, and said, you're going to get a call on the pay phone.

You didn't have it in the rooms. And I had roommate. two of them were quadriplegics. I mean, I'm talking. One guy was a pre-law guy, got in a minor accident, broke his C-4, paralyzed. They didn't have the halo thing.

They had a big thing that would flip over and turn upside down. Another guy, black man named Larry, same thing, minor car accident, broke his C-4. Across the room from me, they brought in a guy a little later. His name was Larry.

He had a speech impediment. And he was like a guy from Appalachia, somebody broke in his house and took his rifle and shot him. And it bruised his spine, but he was paralyzed from here, In the street, what we would know each other are talking about, but in there we love the hell out of each other.

And so I get this phone call, and it's from the girl that I was going to get married to, and she says, at this point, I just have to tell you, we don't have a future. I'm thinking, what? It's the only thing I was really holding on to. Everything was kind of lost at the crash site. My looks, my talents, my gifts, my potential, was there.

But I was holding on that, you know, she wrote every day, and her parents came in me. It was tough. That was like the final cut. I rolled down in the shadows and the end of the hall and just was devastated.

It got back in bed at night and we turned lights off. About three in the morning, I just shoved my face and pill and just start crying my guts out. And in the darkness, from over in the corner, here's this black man Larry.

He said, man, they're going to fix you up. you're going to be out there in a street doing your thing man you're going to be and i felt waves of the same love of god from this guy i don't know anything about his spiritual life but god used this guy and as soon those words hit me i started stopping crying and something happened about three weeks later so these guys had holes drilled in their heads with spikes in them they would go through a cord through a pulley with like 35 pounds of weight on it's about the same time at three in the morning in there guy here, clang.

And I turn on my light and here, his thing, his things pulled out of his head. His head is resting on a little pad like this. As a paralyzed person, you give a muscle spasm. If his head fell off, that's it. He'd been dead. He just had a bone graft, but he was still healing. So I dragged myself across the floor. I mean, I still can't wait.

I pulled myself up, turn the light on. And this hand on one side of his head on this bandaged hand here, blood pouring through my hands. I'm yelling, nurse, I'm screaming, nurse, nurse. His life was in the palm of my hands. He basically spoke words to turn me around and give me comfort. And now three weeks later, I'm holding. This is life. This is kind of life.

And so then after that relationship, I knew that was over, my healing started to accelerate. I can't explain it. It's not blaming her or anybody else for anything. I just realized that version of Mickey Robinson was dead. And this new guy is alive and he's got a reason. And things start accelerating. And so about May 15th to 19169, both legs were paralyzed. Now, I'm going to therapy because I'm thinking, this is getting me out.

And I would do, when they said I couldn't do, I would do. Like I couldn't turn my head like this because of the scar tissue. I couldn't lift this arm over here. Pretty soon I'm doing this and I'm doing this. You know, I'm stretching and working out and all that. But my legs didn't work. Very frustrating. So the day when I would have surgical procedures twice a week to try and dilate this scarred esophagus.

They put this silver thing on there with a mercury tube. It's like pulling a football down your throat. And you're awake. They give you this xylacane viscous, and that numbs the wrong part. But it's over fast, and they're trying to do it. But when I had that, I couldn't go to therapy. And so I would do stuff in my room. And I'd hang off the end of the bed and speak to my legs.

Those little kids would not respond to me. Move. It's rebel. And this leg down. So the upper muscles worked. My quads and my hams worked. But from here down, it was like a person with polio, a bilateral foot drop, and it just didn't work.

And one day, bam, instantly healed. Wow. Who told me to speak to my legs? And I didn't get like a flasher, you know, get a print out in the spirit. I just did it. I didn't know about healing. I just did stuff. And about two and a half months later, I jumped out of an airplane from 12,000,

from 12,500 feet. My guy. That's go. The guy who saved my life and my kid brother. Wow. And the only time maybe I was concerned, I thought, I'm 115 pounds, I may not be heavy enough to really fall all the way down. Just slow it down. 12,500 first jump, 12,500 feet.

And then I made other times. What was that like? Was that tough to get in that plane? It was awesome. It was tough to get in that plane, though, and go up? What was you having a PTSD? My first pass, my first eight-hour pass out of the household, I went out to the club and it went for a ride. They only were a parachute.

But I went out and I said, if I'm going to be weird, it'll be. probably be on takeoff, but it wasn't. I love flying. I flown three million commercial air miles and I fly on air planes and different things like that. But the fact is these legs, as you saw, now there I'm, that's on the Bay of Fundy and New Brunswick, Canada.

If you go that way, you go all the way across the ocean. You go to Prince Edward Island out there about 30 miles. And that rock is a vertical about 70 feet up I climbed up that rock with a pastor friend of mine. On the leg is they said never work again. So when I came back from that rehab center to the original hospital for the first time, and I walked into the doctor's office, he was actually talking to a plastic surgeon. And so I found somebody's clothes that were small enough first I always said when I would go out.

But I'm standing up. I'm walking. I walk in this guy. This guy goes, oh, my God, jumps across the desk, and he's telling this guy all these fatal complications, blah, fatal, blah, fatal. And he was so good. He couldn't believe it. He eventually became the doctor of the Cleveland Cavaliers, this guy, Dr. He was blown away.

And then there was a nurse. That's the doctor. And that's the therapist hold me up. There was a nurse. They had to evacuate intensive care because a guy that literally broke every bone in his body. He's not a body cast like this. They're a really bad staff infection. And if he got around in there, he'd killed anybody that's in there.

So they set up kind of a fake one on the first floor. And the nurse in there, the head nurse, I think, just was like, I just hurry up and die. It took like two and a half hours to change bandages. And, you know, when I walked in there, she had just come out of the room. And back in those days, they had little paper cups with the medicine, probably like 30 cups. She looked at me and went against the wall, dropped that thing. He said, I never thought you could be alive.

Wow. Scared the yogurt out of her. I mean, you know, she. Yeah. And I was just happy to say, first of all, it was like, you know. That's got to be a weird feeling. There was a nurse years later, I think maybe she saw it on the history channel. She sent me this thing.

I don't know how she got a hold of me, but she did. I just retired. He said, blah, blah, blah, blah. He says, my first assignment was intensive care. You were my first patient. I can't believe that you're alive. So here's a woman that saw me at the worst. And a lot of these people, I don't know where they were,

but they prayed for me. Another time I did, the first time I did a secular TV, it was an ABC show in Cleveland called the Morning Exchange before whatever they call it today it was big it's got half the state of ohio and a friend of mine is her husband played played for the browns she was a producer she got me on there it was supposed to five minutes three to five minutes they kept me on for 15 minutes and there was a woman from the time i walked out this is live tv you know she's crying i'm thinking man she got a little problems afterwards i go up and how you doing and the whole when they stopped the whole place ran to me

You don't want to touch me or talk to me. It was cool, you know. And this lady's back there crying, I'm thinking, so, are you okay? She goes in a person. She picks out a picture of herself when she was a nurse. They're in intensive care. Wow, wow. And it's like she saw the impossible.

Those kind of things, see, it's important to tell people. I agree. There's hope. I'm not a dope dealer. Probably could have been a good one, but I'm not. I'm a hope dealer. And in fact, in any language, people know, that there's some kind of hope.

Yeah. How long or how quickly, I should say, after your experience, you started telling people about your experience in heaven? The first person, I really told it, was a skydiving buddy. He never, any national championship, but he always won a gold medal. He was a buddy of mine, and they didn't know me that much, knew me a little bit, and then he went away to Wisconsin, to Wisconsin Dells. Beautiful place.

To make three jumps, and then run around, you got free food and place to stay and run around and chase girls, you know. Right. And so he was away when I started, but then afterwards, where we came friends and we trained together and did things and all that. So I told him all about this stuff, you know, and I told, and I remember there was

one of the guys on the plane named Steve, I said, you know what? He's got a black rose tattooed on his chest. So how'd you know that? Because he was embarrassed, he never showed anybody of that, but I must have seen it, like when I was in intensive care,

my spirit must have seen it when I was in intensive care. So, I mean, I think everyone's probably wondering, like, oh, oh, you had, And so you have this memory of these visions. I mean, do you remember everything of your heaven experience when you get back? I sure do. And so it doesn't come in waves.

What about when you meet your wife? I don't meet Barb. How is that? Yeah. Well, you tell her, hey, I saw you from heaven. He gave me Holy Ghost amnesia. The first time I met her was in Brexville, her house. And then, bam, it all came back.

And for her, it was love at first sight. For me, it was probably lust at first sight. Maybe I don't know. That's how it goes, yeah. But it was instant, and then the Lord impacted. And actually the... So you didn't recognize her from the vision right away? No.

Oh, it took a second. Yeah, because the Lord was dealing with her and dealing with me. Yeah, yeah. If you would have known, you would have messed it all up. So how does that vision come back to you? How do you remember that you'd seen all this happened before? He brought it back. Just like you just wanted to.

Interesting. Yeah. And there's other things. that is supernatural things, they happen to confirm certain things and help develop our spiritual lives. To this day, I mean, these last couple of years, my wife was diagnosed, five enough years, it was staged four ovarian cancer, death in the face.

Yeah. No warning. And went through a, we don't know how many people praying a lot. And I don't even know. And doing a certain protocol with a guy I want you to have on as a guest. His name is Jordan Rubin, this certain health thing. And she's not in remission. She's cancer-free.

But it was a battle. So it was COVID-Schmoved, man, we were busy. We're busy in the Lord and having a good, you know, focusing on that. And so there's different, but in the last few years, I probably have had more hunger for the Lord, experiencing more hanging out in the word, more in the area of prayer and worship, more I want to be closer.

You know, I don't believe that we can have some religiously sinless prayers. perfection. But we need to get rid of any junk that we can come up. Yeah. Because we need to walk in the light and there are major leaders getting blown away. Stupid, scary things. And people believe all kinds of stuff. The most important thing is to really having a knowing of the centrality and the importance of the Lord Jesus Christ, knowing the Father and the real Jesus and God, the Holy Spirit. because the promise ultimately even from Abraham was the Holy Spirit coming.

The promise is Messiah who then provides the promise. He says, one's coming greater than me. The helper. My last question would be, what are some misconceptions about heaven that are out there kind of floating around? People's imagination. There's one guy I knew here.

He was a cool guy in charge of a big ministry with word records. And he said it'd be like the masters. our imagination. And of course, and then Don Piper, who did 90 minutes in heaven, his experience was different.

He was an ordained pastor, you know, and he got swacked by a semi, and somebody started singing an amazing grace, and he woke up. But his, what he saw in heaven

was a lot different, but there's certain aspects, and he did a really good, right in the foreword. He said some things about that. We're part of a certain cadre of people. It's a fraternity.

I've really seen this. And the first time I ever heard of an NDA was a woman on the 700 club called Betty Malls. She was 16, and she guys had some kind of massive, real pretty and life together, massive infection that was unstoppable. And she died and they pulled a sheet of her head. And her father came in,

but it was a break time where they have to go report the different shifts. There was nobody in there. He goes, oh, he goes, oh, Jesus. He pulls the thing as his daughter, and she's dead for, for like a half hour, you know. And she's in the glory

and like block letters coming up. It's him saying Jesus and she slides down on those letters and wakes up. That's wild. And she was so beautiful about the way she said, no exaggeration, very personal. And that was, and so obviously

there was a reality, there's some things, but there's some people that, it was a lady that was writing, wrote a book, and she actually saw, fake Jesus, changed her life, sold millions of copies, but she saw a fake Jesus. There's nothing to worry about it. There's no judgment. Everybody gets to go in heaven. You don't have to worry about it. And she was speaking into it. I mean, her life was changed, obviously, because she had this. But she didn't, she saw fake Jesus, an angel of light.

Right. And she had unbelief things. And so some things start out right and then they build a religious structure out of it. And now, again, I'm not, people that confess Jesus and are really loving and serving him, I'm not going to try and take my experience and say, no, I'm the better way or I know the better way. I want to encourage anybody that can be encouraged, but there's some things that are really wrong. Like, like, oh, there's... If it's in conflict with what the scriptures say, then you have a problem. Well, there's people that have real wisdom and other belief systems. Right. I mean, there's people that exercise faith. I mean, there's salesmen that exercise faith, but they're not in the Lord. Right. And there's other truths that people embrace and other religions,

but they're not God. Do you think a lot of those come from the second heaven that you were talking about? Like these entities, these bigger... Well, that I do believe when it's a real spiritual encounter that a spiritual leader has, it's directly influenced oftentimes by an entity from the second heaven.

It's not like people should be looking for another spiritual master. They should look at the master of all spirits. Yeah. There's only one, real one like this. They come up with names, but like, you know, as a kid, I heard about a supreme being,

but none of the people that were teaching that actually had it, you know, very much. Well, I bring that up because a lot of times people will see these entities. They come on our show and tell their experiences, and it comes with the light. I felt good. I felt love, all the things. But where's Jesus and all that? How do you know you're actually talking to the real deal versus a fake, a counterfeit? Well, yeah.

Although the other's persuasive. But once you've really heard the real, it's hard. And you still have to test the spirits and send this scriptures. You see what's of God. There's convincing things, but it's got to have the, I'll tell you the one thing. It can't be imitated is the real love of God. And the enemy can't, he has no grid for it. He has no grid for redemption because he didn't,

Jesus didn't die to redeem one third of all the angels that fell. He didn't die. And the angel says, you're saying that we get to see things the angels long to look. I think some of the angels are saying, well, it must really be cool to be a human being because they're observant. They're fellow servants with us, according to Revelation 1910.

When John's so freaked out about all the supernatural, he starts to worship an angel, he says, cool it, man. I'm a fellow servant. Worship God for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. And I think that's it. But what cannot be imitated is the real love of God.

Because I've had an honor, obviously the love in heaven, the undiluted, pure love of God is one of the other big shocking things. that I experienced, undiluted, no filter, no comparison, just, and you're part of it. Well, thanks, man. This has been huge, huge. You know, for our first talk really about, like, someone who's been to heaven with a near-the-experience, it's been awesome, and let our listeners know, like, you've got your books on the table there,

you hold them up. I got more, but these are the ones I got here. This one's called Falling into Heaven. It's got all this stuff in there, and there's some pictures in there, but mostly it's about a man who was really strong, I became absolutely weak. I mean, very, totally weak, and God made me strong his way. And this one's called Supernatural Courage. It came out at the height of COVID, so it wasn't much of a book tour.

But there's 11 things in here we all need courage for, supernatural courage. Love that. And then Mickeyrobson.com, prophetic destiny international, and mickeyrobson.com, prophetic destiny international, and mickeyroverson.com. And there's a lot of free stuff on there. You can dabble in. But I want to tell you guys. this is the new news.

This is the new communication. And I bless, I celebrate what you're doing. I get anybody to help. I got people that will be good guests. You people that are listening, he said, a lot of them are listening and seeing,

it's bitter if you watch, but tell somebody to watch this. Tell somebody to look at this. Tell somebody to tune in. There's a lot of stuff, you know, I need to either shut my phone off or learn how to smash it. There's a lot of stuff I don't need.

You know, I try and say somewhat in touch with the news, but this is the real news that makes a difference. And if you're out there and you really need the supernatural help of God, all you got to do is ask. All you got to do is reach. All you can do is knock, and it'll be open to you. Why do I know that? Because I'm the guy.

I was blind and now I see. I was lame, and now I won't. I'd have leprosy, but I had really weird skin. My heart was broken so bad. I didn't know. I could love again. And I'm a stupid lover. I love to be loved and love other people.

You need the Lord. And I'm glad to tell you about it. That's it. Thanks, man. Thanks, me. Thanks, me. Thanks so much. That's awesome.

It's an honor. Yeah. It's cool to how you can, God's vision for our lives is so much greater than whatever we have. And the path like when you're talking about the river. And it is a wild ride trying to figure out what God has for us all. But it is, uh, it's more of, an adventure, I think, than we were, sometimes we have to be brave to set out on that adventure, you know. You know, it's a good way to put it. It's an adventure. We don't want people. I don't

want to minimize my destiny. They're saying to go this way. I mean, there's always more. To do stuff God's way, it's his way. And it's, you can slip back into, okay, I know how to do this now. It's like, and the joy is like, we get to do this. Yeah. And it does keep you in awe. It gives you a reason to be alive. You know, I don't think of myself. Old as I am, I mean, I figured it was like this.

I don't want to have a midlife crisis because if we have eternal life, there ain't no middle. So right. I'm just not going to have to have that. There you go. Well, Mickey, thanks for the good word for our listeners. And hopefully, I think it's a good reminder for us. Sometimes we get into the weird weeds and we kind of. forget what we're doing and it's always good to get pulled back into the the reality that this is all

it's it's a great story we're all a part of it and i just like your presentation so thank you thanks for coming on you guys are cool thanks mick yeah yeah