Blurry Creatures - EP: 312 Nephilim in America with Terry Carter

Episode Date: March 25, 2025

On this episode of Blurry Creatures, we dive deep into the world of lost history, hidden treasures, and forbidden knowledge with explorer and treasure hunter Terry Carter. From ancient petroglyphs to whispers of giant bones and secret tunnels, Terry has spent decades uncovering the mysteries that mainstream history ignores. Could there be more to America’s past than we’ve been told? What secrets lie beneath our feet, waiting to be rediscovered? What is the evidence for Giants in the southwest? 👕 Merch from "Blurry Creatures" https://www.blurrycreatures.com/store Become a member! https://blurrycreatures.supercast.com Get our Book of Enoch! https://amzn.to/4gpV4yZ Listen to Blurry Creatures: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/blurry-creatures/id1526885135 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5uPilMKgeZRAJ2AVwSdFRL?si=f42b58855ac7417e Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3Pqrl9X... Website: blurrycreatures.com Blurry Creatures Socials https://www.tiktok.com/@blurrycreatures https://www.instagram.com/blurrycreatures https://www.facebook.com/blurrycreatures/ https://www.twitter.com/blurrycreatures/ Special Thanks for Platinum Members! Joshua Drummond Maureen Munoz Amber Freeman Nicolle Benz Zach Mills Adam Dougherty Desiree Nichols Kate Logan Kimberly Lee Fayola Shakes Suzanna Wenzel Kent Denmark Michelle Watkins Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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There has been a lot. So it is hard to sift what's true and what's not. So I can get that part of it. But I also believe that they are trying to cover things up. And the regular archaeologists, they just don't want to be caught in the middle. So they don't want nothing to do with anything that's out of place that goes against the norm. And I spent a lot of weekends searching in this area and I found the clue. But there was actually two clues and they was both there.

And so I was pretty confident that there had to be something there. So I started digging around and I did. I broke into a cavern. When I find this cavern, I start digging down and I start seeing that there's soot on the walls coming up. And so I dig down and I dig down and I get down about five or six feet and I start finding some things. It's not my plan to loot this thing. I want to get in there and video it and share it with everybody. I don't, you know, if these things are really found and people are hiding it,

I don't know why people hide, why they want to hide giants. It makes zero sense to me. But if they're real, I want, I want a video it and I want everybody to see this. The history of our earth is so different from what we can imagine. The Smithsonian, that if they found out about a large skeleton somewhere, was to go get it. I'm going to assume at least one person is right because if one person's right to bust the paradigm, it all goes back to the fallen church. And the problem with the modern day church, they have a very truncated view of the supernatural.

This backdrop that's just pregnant with all kinds of meaning associated with this Mount Herman event. And this guy defects from the kingdom. That's a big deal. All right, welcome back to Blurray creatures from episode one. We've talked about treasure hunters. that was one of the things that you brought up right in the beginning. That was the first thing you said to me when we started by your creatures. I always joke when I grew up, I want to be a treasure hunter.

And I'm my dad does too. This is something that we've got our metal detectors. We've done this, looking for Civil War stuff. Yeah. I mean, we grew up in the 80s, right? Everything from Goonies to Indiana Jones. So we grew up these things, the idea of treasure hunting. And it was something just like, I always was like, I want to do that.

Yeah. And the Ark of the Covenant supposedly been found and being passed around and all kinds of weird stories. But we got Terry Carter on, right? Yeah, Terry Carter's joining us. This is something we want to do because Terry is a treasure hunter from Utah. And he's been working for decades as a hobby, hobbyist, looking for these purported treasures in the Southwest that really run opposite to the archaeological narrative. to the historical narrative, the things that were told. So whether it be giants, who spends a lot of time on giants,

or evidence for Egyptians or Phoenicians in the Southwest. And we've kind of talked about this sort of roundabout ways. You actually have an episode about an Egyptian tomb being found in the Grand Canyon. But Terry's out there collecting the evidence and going, and oftentimes going and looking, on the boots on the ground to try to find these legendary troves of treasures, evidence for giants that exist in Utah and across southwest. So it's fun to have Terry joins me.

I love it. I love it. I love when we go back to the giant stuff. It's always fun to kind of go back to some of these topics that we kick around. Always find new evidence for the blurry creatures out there. We're not talking to Gary Carter, the old 80s baseball player. We're talking to Terry Carter for those of you guys. And thank you for supporting the show and the podcast.

Thanks for putting us in the studio and helping us kind of live our own dream and keep finding those treasures. If you have anything blurry and weird out there, that you want to send us always info at blurry creatures.com, whether it's pictures of giant footprints you find in stone or its stories. I mean, this is you guys fuel the podcast. Family stories, one-of-a-kind stories.

I think we are always on the treasure hunt for those one-of-the-kind blurry stories out there. So don't be shy. Send us your story. Let's get Terry on this one. And if you want to support the show and help produce this, blurrycreatures.com slash members, become a member of the podcast.

Help us make this happen. You make it go. And thankful for all the men. members who do support the show. Again, that's blurrycreatures.com slash members. But let's get Terry on this one and hear about his treasure hunting escapades. We have Terry Carter in the house today. You are a treasure hunter. And you were talking about this pre-roll that you spent most of your time on the infamous Brewers Cave looking at lost records, giants, all the things that we talk about on our show. Welcome to Blurry Creatures. Welcome to the basement. Terry Carter, what are your

thoughts on Bigfoot, we'll kick this off. So my thoughts on Bigfoot, first of all, thanks for having me on. But my thoughts on Bigfoot is, I thought, you know, I thought that was a myth. I didn't think it was real. I thought as many people that are out there hunting and you've never run into a dead one. And, you know, I just, I thought it was a figment of people's imaginations. But I used to do a lot of coyote hunting. I had an old boy tell me, he says, if coyotes had logic, You'd never ever see him. The only thing they have is instinct. But their senses, they're keen of smell, sight, hearing is so great that if they did have logic,

you'd never, ever see him. You know, and he says, you take a lion hunter who's hunting lions with his dogs. That lion hunter, he can take his dogs and run them down a dirt road, and they'll pick up the scent of a lion. And that dirt road might only be eight foot wide. Well, them dogs can. smell the difference from one side of the road to the other side of which the freshness and they know which way to go and i thought man that's one heck of a keen sense of smell and i got thinking well if

if bigfoot is real and if he had logic and he had uh he had uh you know all them senses smell sight hearing and all that you you wouldn't see him you know and and i had uh i had another guy tell me that there are way more bears out in the wilderness than there are bigfoot. I mean, a lot more. And I spent a lot of time out in the mountains. And I've only in my whole entire lifetime seen a couple bears, you know, and I've never ever, I don't know anybody that's found a dead one. And people always say, well, if, why aren't they finding dead ones? Well, why don't you find dead bears? You know, and it's, and there's way more bears than that, you know. And I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, I ran into a guy named Robert Kreider who did some research for some of the universities,

and he was telling me some of the things that the evidence that he came up with and gave him to some of the credible people that was doing the research. And for some mysterious reason, those evidences disappeared. And I thought, maybe there is something to Bigfoot. I've never seen one. I think maybe I could have smelt one a couple times, but I don't really know. But I don't know. Bigfoot's like the Ford Platinum.

He's got all the bells and whistles. He's got logic and he's got the senses. It reminds me, Terry, that if coyotes had any logic, they would probably rule us all. So it's a good thing they don't, right? Yeah. I love having you on. I've said this on the show before,

but when I grew up, I want to be a treasure hunter. Me and my dad. That was episode one, he said that. This is true. I mean, we got our metal detectors. And my dad is we 70 next year. But this is like his dream is to go treasure hunting. So this is this is quite.

And you found the treasure, Terry. You found. How did you get into Brewer's Cave? What have you found? Well, it depends on what the treasure is. First of all, man, I'm really starting to like you. Yeah, all right. Thanks, man.

This is fun. But before I get into that, man, I want to tell you a couple of years ago, I worked with this guy who's Kevin Meno. Man, he's your biggest fan out of Twill of Utah. He told me, you've got to listen to the. boring creatures, man. I'm telling you, you've got to listen to them, guys. Well, shout out. Well, hello to shout out to Kevin. Thanks for,

for promoting the show. I love it. I mean, so, Terry, you've got a YouTube channel where you talk a lot about the things you've done. I mean, you've got all kinds of stuff, Spanish treasures, Aztec treasure, mysterious vaults, giants, and it's so much in our spaces we kind of kicked off

the show talking about. So, where do you want to start? I mean, first off, how do you get in and how are you, how do you become a full treasure hunter how does this happen for you well i i'm not a full-time treasure hunter it's it's a it's a pipe i work full-time man so that i can enjoy the weekends and and treasure hunting you know and and and it's it's more the treasure treasure is is more than just finding you know buried spanish gold was which i'm looking for spanish gold bars but it's more than just that you know it's the history it's meeting the people it's hearing the stories you know the all the old timers that i met that some of the

incredible stories that they told is just, you know, that's priceless. And to me, that's a treasure. That's exactly what we do here at blurry creatures, like looking for the, looking for the odd and the weird, and we talk a lot about giants and specifically like, you know, the biblical times of these stories, but it's also awesome to have people who have experiences stuff in real time today, who they've found, you know, relics or old stuff that's kind of been buried away that help prove that these other stories are legit. And what you do is you give credence to those other stories. stories, the ancient stories that we talk about. And you've seen things that, like, hey, they were here. I haven't seen a giant yet, and that's my goal is to find one. But I've tracked down enough

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they were grave robbers, you know, desecrating the Native American graves and that, and they'd get all these Native American artifacts. Well, he was looking for arrowheads, John Brewer was, and he was building a bust out of arrowheads of an Indian chief, and he wanted to enter it into the county fair, and he didn't have enough arrowheads to build this bust. So he was asking around where he could find some more arrowheads, and he ran into this one guy that said,

hey, when he was a kid, he used to play with the Indians. and they says over there there's a there's an area where where the the Indians thought it was sacred but me and me and some of the Indian kids we used to play there all the time a cave and there's arrowheads there all over the place so he goes in there and he digs down and and he starts finding arrowheads and then it breaks into a cave and he starts digging down and find more arrowheads and then over a period of a lot of years I mean we're talking 10 15 years he's excavating and he finds these stairs that goes down and it breaks into a tomb. And excavating into this tomb, he starts finding these ancient records.

They were in stone boxes wrapped in cedar bark and smeared with pine pitch. And then he finds two large sarcophaguses. The lids were so heavy, he had to get some handyman jacks and some pry bars to pry the lids off. And inside were two giant mummies, a male and a female. The male had red hair and the female had blonde hair, but they was decked out in gold armor, breastplates, crowns. The one giant had a big sword to the side of him. It was just, you know, an incredible story.

But when I first found out about this story, I thought that they can't be real. I didn't really know about giants. You know, the only thing I knew about giants was in the Bible, David and Goliath. You know, that's the only thing I knew about giants. This was back in the, when I stumbled on to this information, I got into some records that I shouldn't have been able to get into. And it was an accident. And when I seen what was there, man,

I spent a lot of money filing these copies of these records. And Brewer's Cave was one of these things. And so it sounded like a great story, but I didn't really know if it's true. I didn't. I thought, giants, come on. And back then there was no internet. You couldn't go and find. things you had to do inner library loans and and slowly I started finding that there were

um stories about giants and I thought well maybe there could be something to this so I need to dig into it farther you know these records that I got into it talked about they was they was trying to uh get John Brewer to show him where this cavern was and it had a a list of all the people that were involved and befriended him and trying to to get things in to get something going John Brewer, he wanted people to know what he found, but he didn't want people to take it from him, you know, and I can understand that. And everybody's wanting him to show him where it's at, and he doesn't want to show it where it's at, where people where it's at. So, this brings in the Mormon church, and that's where I got this stuff from. You know, anything that the Mormons thought had to deal with their Book of Mormon, they was on it right now.

and and and and and and and i guess giants are part of maybe their religion ancient records are part of their religion and any thought thing that they thought had to prove that they wanted to know about it but they wanted to keep it hush hush and i got into some of them records accidentally and i thought this was a fairy tale you know but i started tracking down all the people that were involved that were still alive and i came across one of these boxes that came out of this uh uh two of giants, I came across one of these stone boxes that was wrapped in cedar bark and it's smeared with pine pitch and inside it was five copper plates with these ancient looking ridings and pictures on it. And I thought, well, that ought to be easy to prove if this thing's real or not,

you know, we can carbon date this box or this bark. So we had it tested. I farmed a group called the Ancient Historical Research Foundation and we had this bark, um, carven. Dated and when the carbon dating came back it came back at 2,500 BC and the people that was doing the the carbon dating They knew this thing was going to come back as a fraud as modern plus or minus Baseline 250 250 years baser plus or minus you know they knew that was going to happen But one that came back to 2500 BC They they was shocked so they figured they screwed up so they ran

the test 10 times and 10 times it came back to 2,500 BC. Well, they got doing some research because some of the other things that they was carbon dating come back older than what they thought it should be. And so they got checking and they did screw up. They ran out of the solution that they was used to calibrate, that they had calibrated to their machine. And so when they got a new solution, they didn't calibrate their machine to that. So when they recalibrated it, the date became between 50 and 350 BC was what the official date was.

Now, when I got that date, I thought, man, there's got to be something to this story. I mean, where did you come across this box? Was it through finding these names? Where is this box now? Where is all this stuff? John Brewer written a letter to the Mormon church saying, hey, I found this stuff. What do you think? Well, the Mormon church goes in there, and they sent a guy.

in there to track this down and see if he thought, you know, this was a true story or not. Well, John Brewer, he gave this box to this professor. And the professor ended up having a heart attack and dying. But before he had a heart attack and died, he gave it to one of his associates. And nobody knew that he gave it to that associate. Nobody really knew that that box was around. But when I started contacting people, and really, I was contacting people. and really I was contacting people on other things.

I was contacting people about what I found with I call the mystery glyphs. They're a form of, they're like a hieroglyph that's neatly and pain-takesly carved onto these stonecliff walls, scattered throughout the West of United States and remote locations. And when I went to talk to this guy about the mystery glyphs, he says, well, you're probably here to see the stone box. And I go, I didn't know you had a stone box. So it was one of these people on these lists that I accidentally stumbled on that he had it. Where's that now? Yeah.

The professor's wife, she found out that this guy had it, and she asked for it back. And so she got it back, and then somebody coming out offered her $1,200 for it. And she thought, man, it was a sign from God or something, because she became the pianist in her, in her church, but she didn't have a piano to practice on. And a new piano was going to cost her $1,200. So she sold it to this guy for $1,200. Is the cedar from here, or is the cedar from Lebanon? So, man, I always say cedar bark, but it was really juniper bark.

And yeah, it was from here. What I was going to guess, Terry, is I know the Mormon church does this. I know that they will confiscate items like these things, and there's a vault. I actually have a buddy who was part of the Mormon Church and has had access to the vault and seen some crazy stuff he claims inside the Mormon Church vault, things that they've relics and whatnot, they've collected and sort of, in the same way that I think the Vatican does this with relics, the Mormon Church does the same thing. So you guys get this tested.

I'm going to look at the story. You find it's BC. this came out of Brewer's Cave. Do you, do we know, do you know where Brewer's Cave is? Have you been there? Is there still stuff purportedly in the cave? Because what happens to the Socrophagai? What happens to these giant mummies and the things that John Brewer claims to have found in all his time? A lot of things happened, you know. Brigham Young University found out about Brewer's Cave and they went pressure in him. and Brigham University is ran by the Mormon Church. Well, the Mormon Church was in there talking to Brewer, and Brigham Young University found out it,

and so they started demanding things. Well, they ended up with some artifacts and stuff, and they came out and said that this stuff was fraud. And then a newspaper guy got a hold of this, and they wrote a big newspaper articles saying that John Brewer was a fraud, and this is all bogus. well uh the church the b yu didn't know that the church was in there the church didn't know that b y was you was in there and and when that happened when that newspaper article came out john brewer shut the

whole thing down he broke ties off of everybody and then his boy he took his boy into seeing this cave because when that newspaper article came out everybody was ridicule on him everybody was ridicule on the family it became a uh a big wreck for the family you know it It destroyed their lives. And so he took his boy into this cave to show him, hey, this cave is real. LinkedIn is pretty amazing at helping you grow your small business. We cannot make your email response time faster. We can help you sell, market, and hire in one place.

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from the church dance. And the story that I get was that they found him three days later in his car, and there was a hose rammed from the tailpipe into the window. and, you know, he carbon monoxide. They ruled it suicide. Well, John Brewer didn't believe that that was suicide. So he took the car when he got it back. He took the hose and he put it inside the car and he put some rabbits inside the car.

And he wanted to see how long it would take to kill the rabbits. Well, the muffler got so hot that it melded the hose before it killed the rabbits. So when that happened, John Brewer figured somebody killed his boy. Now that's his story, whether that's true or not. I don't know, but that's his story. You know, when that happened, he sealed the whole thing up. He dynamited it shut. That was it.

He denied that it ever happened. And that was the end of that. Have you been out looking for the cave? Are people still looking for it today? I ended up in some of these things. I ended up with John Brewer's diary. And I don't believe it was his full diary. I think it was just a partial diary that he wrote down.

think he changed some things so that to give to this professor to let this professor know that he was telling the truth and and you can read in this diary that he's he's troubled thinking that he's got something that here that's that's super religious and and he's thinking about selling it making more a lot of money and then he's thinking he's getting punished for for having them thoughts of of trying to get rich off of religious artifacts and so um i had everything i tracked down some of that he talked down talked to in that about in this diary and everything that he said uh in this diary that he dealt with with these people was true he did he gave this uh this uh diary to this uh uh diary to this professor in confidence and somebody broke in and snuck it and took it and

then i found it later after the after the the professor had passed away he didn't want people knowing about that so he died denied that this was his diary but everything matched up so i took everything from this diary all the evidences all the clues that was in these files i went and talked to everybody that was involved and and uh um i put together where i thought it had to be and i and i went looking and there was a clue um there was a clue that the the old the old gentleman that that uh uh told brewer where the cave was to get the arrowheads um he had a neighbor mod cox mod cox was was uh went to the fair and seen that indian bust that john brewer had had uh built out of the arrowheads and uh she commented to to george keller

and and she says man did you see that uh bust that john brewer made out of them ar indian arrowheads it was pretty cool well uh george keller says well yeah i'm the one that told him where to where to get those arrowheads it's over there by the and i'm not going to tell you guys what the clue is. But I found that clue in a journal. This story written by, you know, when Mod Cox was interviewed, you know, I found that. Somebody wrote that down in their notes when they was tracking this down. So I figured where it went was at, and I went searching, and I spent a lot of weekends searching in this area, and I found the clue. But there was actually two clues, and they was both there. And so I was pretty confident.

that there had to be something there. So I started digging around, and I did. I broke into a cavern. And I started digging down inside of this cavern. And I found, first I found some carpet in there, about two foot deep underneath the dirt. So it's been filled in a couple times, because it sounds like the first time it was filled in,

and then he was digging in there. and then it's filled in again. So you found carpet, so it's not ancient carpet from 350B. No, no, no, no, it's not ancient carpet. And that carpet means something, and I'll get to that. But I guess I need to back up. I'm fast-tracking to make this go faster. I guess I have.

No, no, me and Nader on our way out to see you in Utah. So it's been discovered. It's been discovered by John Brewer back in the day. He was a young guy. It dug up a bunch of stuff. Mormon church comes along. And then you think you get this journal and you look and you find it again. I think I've found it again, you know, until it's broken in and we find these ancient giants and stone sarcophagus and ancient records.

It's just me thinking I know where it's at. But a lot of things line up. Well, back in the day, John Brewer, he's worried that somebody's going to find this cave. And when he's inside there, he noticed that there's a hole going up into the ceiling in this tomb. and some of the stuff that I got, he has a drawing of what this tomb looks inside. He shows the steps. He shows there's this death trap at the bottom of these steps,

and probably, I don't know how far down this hole goes into the ground, but I'm sure at one time it was covered with sticks and dirt and stuff so that somebody not knowing going down to the bottom and they hit that last step, they're going to fall to their death. or there was a little side tunnel that they could go around, you know. Well, that death trap was sprung, you know, there was nothing covering it. But there was a hole going up into the ceiling, right, kind of above it. And so he went up above and he started digging down.

He had to dig down about five foot. And he connected these two holes. So now he's got a 30-foot shaft before it drops into the room. And so he dynamites shut the original entrance because he doesn't want anybody's seeing it. And now, but he's still got all that long hallway, the stairs and all that. So when he's excavating rather than try and haul the dirt up this 30-foot shaft, you know, he's just taking it and dumping it into the stairway, into the hallway that he'd excavated out in the first place. So when I find this cavern, I start digging down and I start seeing that

there's soot on the walls coming up. And so I dig down and I dig down and I dig down. And I dig down I get down about five or six feet and I start finding some things. He talks about in his journal, he talks about these old, these candles. This is in the 50s. And he's saying, I wonder if old man, so-and-so at the grocery store, knows why I'm buying all these candles every day, you know. So I start finding old candles. I start finding old tools.

I start finding, I found some zip cord for a dynamite fuse. And so I'm thinking, this's got to be it. Well, I get down about five or six feet. and I see this little crack about one to two inches, you know, that goes through. And I'd shine my light down there. And I can see that there's soot on the ceiling. And it's coming up the walls. And I thinking this has got to be it.

You know? So this was back in the day when this was before, you know, digital film, digital cameras. This was back before. I had to try and videotape and I had to. get a push-pull camera and it ran on 12 volts. So I had to get an old TV with a VHS tape deck hooked to it. And I had the haul of car battery up there to power up the TV and the push-pull camera and so that I could record this. And I'm shoving this in there trying to see what I can see. And I'm seeing some fiber stuff and things like that. And so I spent some time and I finally

had to get help. I couldn't I couldn't do it by myself. The entrance into this was so narrow that as you're crawling on your belly for about 10 feet, your back's hitting the ceiling and your stomach's right tight on the ground. No thanks. And so I get some help and we get a little sled and I got one person pulling it out and dumping it and I got a rope to pull it back in. I got a little teeny bucket because I'm not making a very big hole because I need to hide this up so other people can't find it. And so I'm digging with a little trial and I'm putting it in a little bucket and I'd send it up and they dump it into the sled. And man, we just, it's taken a long time. But I think this is Brewer's Cave, but I want to know for sure.

If this is really Brewers Cave, there has to be a shaft. And so I got a guy with ground penetrating radar. And we go up there and we're looking for the shaft and we find the shaft with on the ground penetrating radar. But it's, it's, um, the shaft is collapsed in. So, so that's, that's no longer away. What John Brewer would do was he'd put a board down under it, uh, the shaft cover it up with the dirt, brush it off. So nobody knew he was there. He'd tie rope to a tree, drop down in, come back out, you know, cover it up. And he only went there at night, but he spent a lot of time there at night. He spent, he didn't have a great family life of his wife. And so he spent a lot of time in cave digging and we're talking a lot of years so yeah so he was just going non-stop and he finds

obviously he finds these sarcophagus with with a male and a female giant do you know how big those giants were and then where are these copper plates the the male was eight foot or the the woman was eight foot nine and and the and the man was nine foot eight wow big boys that's a big wmba player yeah what are the in these copper plates where is their location? And anyone figure out what they was written on these things? So the linguists tried to make heads or tails of it. And that's one of the reasons is that they said John Brewer was a fraud

because they couldn't make heads or tails of it, you know? And so they said, well, it must be a fraud. But you've got to understand that these people, these professionals, You know, there's a narrative out there, what history is. And if they go beyond that narrative, you know, they're jeopardizing their cruise career. So none of them really want to put credence to, there was ancient records in the Americas before Columbus. There was, you know, none of them want to stick their neck out onto that, you know. And I had a guy tell me that he talked to the archaeologists and says, hey, man, if I found some gold blades,

if I found some things that are out of place artifacts, I'm going to bury them up and I'm not going to report them because I don't want my name tied to it anyways, shape, or form. And I've talked to two individuals. One was an anthropologist student, and he was on a dig, and he found something an out-of-place artifact. And he thought, this is pretty cool. And they went and took it to record it into the books for that dig,

and they wouldn't record it into the book. They says it's a one-off. It doesn't fit the narrative. We're not going to record it. And I had another guy tell me the exact same thing. He was on a dig. And he went deeper than what he was supposed to go. And he found an out-of-place artifact.

And the exact same thing happened. They got mad at him for digging too deep. And they wouldn't enter it into the records. And I'm thinking, this is crazy. They say, and it doesn't fit the time period. It doesn't fit the narrative. Well, who knows what that artifact can. from where it was did was did these guys find it from another ancient civilization and if we keep

records of all this stuff it's going to paint paint a picture rather than just throwing it out and throwing it away and destroying history well i mean we hear these stories all the time um on our show you know just kind of the rewriting of history but this whole cave activity you know love lock cave um things like that it's uh there's also the stories of the grand canyon They're finding the same stuff in the Grand Canyon. Some of the East Coast. Yeah. Yeah.

So, I mean, this is the part of the country where this stuff, you know, comes out of. You got Nevada, Utah, you know, you've got just this hot spot. And obviously there's a lot of blurry activity that goes on there on the surface. But, you know, what is going on in this part of the world? And, you know, so you're going down, you get into this place. You think you found Brewer's Cave. What are you finding? Do you find anything new?

So I found a tunnel. I was falling the smoke. It was definitely, you know, whether it was Brewer or somebody with, somebody had a fire in there that was making smoke onto the soot onto the ceiling of this, of this cave, you know. And, but one, one, one, I took the guy with ground penetrating radar, man, where I was going, didn't line up with where the brewer's map was, his drawing of the room, it didn't line up with the drawing of the room and it didn't line up with, you know, where the shaft should have been and what he, what he, what he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, uh, he, drew on his, on his drawing. And so I, I, I started digging in an other area in, and, and I, I started finding the same thing. And I started finding evidence of, of, of somebody else had been there,

digging before me, shoring up with boards and things like that. Well, I, I, I, I thought, I, I started finding, thought, you know, I need to file a mining claim or something on this so that I can take control of this and find out what's going on. Well, well, I find out that the property was private and then it got bought by the fishing game and it was turned into a wildlife preserve unit. And I got researching and a wildlife preserve unit. You can't, you can't file a mining claim. You can't even put a shovel in the ground without getting in trouble. You know? So I contacted, I got a lawyer who was a friend out of Arizona, and we contacted the lawyer who helped draft the antiquities laws for Utah.

And we put him under lawyer, client confidentiality, and my lawyer being a mediary between me and him, and I talked with him, but we shielded my name and we shielded what exactly we told him, kind of what we was doing, but we didn't say where. And he told me, Terry, you just as well sell drugs, because when you get caught, you're going to prison just the same. Wow. So, you know, that scared me. I don't want to go to prison, you know. So I've been, everything's halted when I found that I can't do anything when the fishing game bought it and it blocked me from doing anything. So, So I've had recently, I've had an archaeologist help me contact the fishing game and contact. Well, you know, we told them what we have and first they wanted to know where it was at.

Well, you tell us where that's at. Well, I'm not going to tell them where it's at. I don't care. It's not my plan to loot this thing. I want to get in there and video it and share it with everybody. I don't, you know, if these things are really found and people are hiding it, I don't know why people hide, why they want to hide giants. It makes zero sense to me.

But if they're real, I want, I want a video and I want everybody to see this, you know. So we contact the fishing game and they say, well, first off, we got to, we got to get the permission from the Uts and the Pai Uts because of the NAG pro laws and that, the repatriation acts, you know. And so we start contacting the Pai Uts and the Uts. and we're trying to work with them and see, you know, and they, they don't want their people dug up. And I can understand that, you know. They're graves of their people have been desecrated. And you can only study so many indigenous people and why do you need to dig up more?

And I can understand that 100%. But this isn't the, you know, this isn't the Native Americans. This is something else. And this is something that needs to be studied, you know. So we're trying to work with them and see if we can't make some headways. And then all of a sudden the fishing game says, nope, no matter what, we're just not going to let you do any digging. So I don't know where I'm at. You know, I'm blocked stalemated. I think I know where it's at. But until it's broken in, too, and found out, you know, everything lines up.

It's just me thinking that. Yeah, I mean, it's the story. The end of the story we've had on our show. we hear all the time Smithsonian comes where's the bones we've even sold a lot of shirts with that

we made a joke about it but they don't want the giants they don't want this whole narrative to come out and we've said many times on our show we've looked at the giant topic every way we can you know and there was times in history

like in Catalina Island this guy has an actual giant museum he's been digging these things up there's certain places where these giants ended up and for a while this stuff was on display. You could go, you could see this, all in many places around the world,

or around the United States, actually. Terry, we interviewed the guys. It reminds me so much of what you're saying, who dug up, who had a mound on his property. He was a farmer in Minnesota, and he was digging into it and found giant bones. This is his story. And so he calls the authorities,

and so I found bones, giant bones. And the government shows up. And the same thing. It's a nagprah. They say, oh, this is Native American. Can't dig this up. Got to fill it back in. And if you do, you're going to jail.

But he's saying he has giant, giant femur bones sticking out of this mound. He was actually dug into as he was trying to get fill dirt, et cetera. And ends up having a serpent mound on his property. This is a whole crazy story. But it sounds very much the same. And it also reminds me of that story, purporting. where people found Egyptian an Egyptian tomb or Egyptian-like tomb in the Grand Canyon. Yeah.

And lo and behold, that area now is fenced off. It's government property. Well, yeah. Do you think that's a big part of the national parks is to protect certain areas that are... You know, that's what some people say. They say that they've made national parks. They've made wildlife refuse. They've made wilderness study areas. They've done geological study areas. All the shutdown people. I had some people tell me that every time that they had something of interest, they wanted to go check out that there was something in interest that was out of place, not your regular mainstream history. There was some reason you couldn't go in there.

You couldn't do anything, whether it was, you know, any of that stuff. I'm trying to get a guy to come on the show right now that was in Utah digging. His grandfather and his friend found these preserved goat, half goat, sater-looking things. and he seems to send us some photos of him. He's trying to track down the guy who took the photos and he's still alive. But, I mean, this, there was an era, Terry, from, like, I would say the 40s to the 70s, when you could kind of, you could dig for this stuff, you could find this stuff. I mean, obviously the newspaper archives stopped around the 40s.

They stopped printing that the farmers were discovering giants in America. But, you know, until, you know, some of these. stories, they seem to dry up around the 70s and the 80s. But a lot of, I think the last sort of rumbling of them was around then. Is that what you found? And there's all kinds of stories out there. And you hear all the, you see all the newspaper articles and they say, well, that was just sensationalized newspaper article reporting, you know, and all of them, I can maybe see every one of them. And then when you get in the congressional report, for the Smithsonian, and their people themselves are saying they've got large, large skeletons

they've dug up and they're saying, oh man, they wasn't really qualified to, you know, they shouldn't have made that report. They didn't know what they was talking about. They weren't really giant, you know. Hey, Terry, so you're you're based in Utah, right? That's where you're sort of, okay, a couple questions. Like, what else have you tracked down that's been discovered in, in that Utah area? and what what in all of that in your mind is is rewriting your idea of the history of the Southwest? Because like Nate has said, right, you've got Brewer's Cave and they, John Brewer reported found giants. Lovelock Cave has a ton of lore about, from the Native Americans, about giants living the cave, they smoked them out.

There used to be stuff on display. There was a museum. There was giant bones in that museum until somewhat recent history. What else are you hearing or what are people finding that's breaking the narrative in your area as far as what we can consider to be the traditional archaeological narrative about our history here in the United States? This episode is brought to you by Redfin. You're listening to a podcast, which means you're probably multitasking, maybe even scrolling home listings on Redfin, saving homes without expecting to get them. But Redfin isn't just built for endless browsing. It's built to help you find and own a home.

With agents who close twice as many deals, when you find the one, you've got a real shot at getting it. Get started at redfin.com. Own the dream. So I was talking about these mystery glyphs that I've been tracking and down scattered throughout the western United States. Well, I started finding out there was some Egyptian artifacts found by some of these. And one of these sites was Pocatello, Idaho,

which is not far from where I live, two, three hours. Back in 1918, near one of these mystery glyph sites, there was this young girl. She found this rock. It was carved. You could see it had been ground and carved into the shape of the size of a chicken egg. And it had some markings on it. And they just thought it was Native American markings on it.

Well, this young girl kept it all her life. And when she became older, she had terminal cancer. and her great-granddaughter was over there visiting, and she was rummaging through her things, and she found this old rock that she'd found, and she gave it to the great-granddaughter. The great-granddaughter kept it all her life because it was something special given to her by a great-grandmother

just before she passed away. Well, in the 70s, King Touch Tune was making its rounds. The exhibit was making its rounds through the United States, and the Smithsonian Magazine did an article on it on King Touch-Tune, And this lady, she's older now, she's sitting in the dentist office, and she's reading this article about King Touch Dune. And she gets noticing that on King Tut's sarcophagus, there's some markings on his sarcophagus. That's the exact same markings on this egg that her grandmother are giving her.

So she takes it. She's in California. She takes it to the University of Berkeley. And they authenticate that it's a piece of alabaster from Egypt. and it has King Tut's high priest signature on one side and the cartouche of his name on the other. Now, this rock was found in 1918, but they didn't break into King Tut's tomb until 1920. They didn't really know who he was until 1922. How did that happen?

You know, and then there was a, I got a call from a guy in Colorado. There was a site of these mystery glists near Durango, Colorado. And I got a contact from a guy, and he wanted to talk to me. And I thought he wanted to talk to me about some mystery glyphs he found. When I got with him and started talking to him, he shows me this rock that he found. And it's carved to be looking like an Egyptian scar, scare him. And it's got Egyptian hieroglyphs on it. And he found that when he was a kid in the 50s near where he lived.

He lived there was a knoll with a depression. And he was up there playing on that knoll with his dog. And he found this thing. And so I took a picture of this thing. and I and I and I and I and I posted it to to some my antiquities dealers for for Egyptian antiquities dealers and and the first guy says man this is this is this is an obvious fraud you know it's it does it's it's it's crudely written and then and then a bunch of antiquities deal hold on hold on they says this thing is like a magician's omelette and it wouldn't be written by the by the pharaohs

the priests and all that who had perfect you know writing skills and all that this is a man a magician's omulet and not only that it has most of the third's name on this thing you know so who knows about that you know and and and there's been some artifacts you know found throughout that just just doesn't fit the narrative but we never hear about them because they're dismissed they're discarded there's they're they're they're they're called as as fraud speaking of the grand canyon i had a friend i was talking to him about these mystery glyphs he says well man me and my friends me and my family was down to Lake Powell and we had a houseboat and we went clear up into this as far as we go into this canyon and we camp for the night there in the houseboat and then we got up and took a walk and we come

across these strange writings and we took our family photo in front of him he says man what do you think this is and he showed me a picture of them they look like they're Egyptian that's along that's down the Lake Powell Lake Powell's made out of the Colorado River which blows through the Grand Canyon and I'm thinking to myself well if the Grand Canyon Egyptians or Oriental people or whoever they were is true, it would make sense there would be more of them farther down the river. You know, so the Lake Palaz is dropped a long ways. And so what took him not very long to get to, you know, if it drops 100 feet,

that's miles, you know, as the slope of the hill and the mountain goes. And I've tried to find that, and I haven't been able to find it. But one trip I was down there, we did some research and we found that there was another girl who found another one of these Egyptian hierrograph looking sites, 30 miles away from the one we're looking for. So I thought, man, we got to find this and see if there's any evidence that anything went on there, or it could be some college professor. Egyptologists went there, you know, boating and spent a long time because these carvings are, they're a lot to them. You know, he could have wrote in Egyptian hieroglyphs. You know, me and my family came here, you know, to Lake Allen had a great time. You know, I don't know.

But I would love, I need to find these so that we can explore and see if there's something more to it. Is it hooked to the Grand Canyon or not? Yeah. I mean, I love it. I think it takes a long time to kind of understand that they would want to suppress all this information. Because like you said, it kind of rewrites history, it rewrites American history. and it kind of gives a lot of, you know, credibility to the stories in the Bible and other things. It just kind of launches things into a different space.

I mean, you have Pyramid Lake there, there was supposedly a pyramid there in that area. I wonder if the terrain, kind of hot, deserty was something that they'd come from. So they kind of liked this area particularly to sort of settle and build. And obviously it's hot in the summer, but it's a great place year-round, a lot of the, You know, the snowbirds and types of the people would go there. So I wonder if that the weather was an attractant to some of these giant beings that would go around that area and build stuff. Well, I don't know if it's that or if the climate has changed. You know, that's what I think is the climate has changed because, you know, in that area, you have, they call them the anisazazis, all these cliff dwellers and all that, you know.

It's barren. There's no water. It's hot. It's, you know, the climate had to have changed, you know, and you see, you think it was like a nice, lush area, a lot of water, maybe stuff grew there at some point. I think it's possible. I think it's possible. I mean, not far where I live, you know, is, is a, it's kind of a deserty area. And they're finding all kinds of, you know, not only dinosaurs, but turtles, you know, I mean, you're finding, they find all these, you can see on the, when you hike in the hot. in the mountains, you see, you see seashells, you see, you know, high up in the mountains. At one time, you know, I think whether, I think there was a huge lake here in Utah,

Lake Bonneville, and some cataclysm happened in an earthquake or something, and a broken natural dam, and all the water's drained out, and I think that helped change the climate maybe. I don't know. Well, the implications are interesting, Terry, because, you know, we talk a lot about the conquest of the Holy Land by Joshua, right, where they were, there was this diaspora of, of giants that were, as the Bible tells Joshua, they were hunting down and they were eradicating the giants from the Holy Land. And, you know, when you marry that story with what is found in the United States,

giant mounts and the Native American lore. There's tons of Native American lore about giants in North America and them battling giants, whether it be the story of yellow hair that we did on one of our episodes or the idea that much of these mound places that are attributed to Native Americans, the tribes themselves will tell you that they found them.

They didn't build them, right? This isn't their lore. But it's now, but it's been sort of whitewashed as the... Or even ancient, different time period. Yeah, but the implications there's Egyptian hieroglyphs and giants in the Southwest is fascinating because, I mean, we've hypothesized, that perhaps the Phoenicians being

the seafaring people of the ancient times there's a lot of evidence that Phoenicians made it to North America Well yeah I mean I do think you write about the weather and the water because there was probably a lot more water They sailed into the Ohio Valley they say And they even say like Rockwall Texas

Might have been a huge port Where they came in They built like a megalithic city in Texas Where they kind of come in I think America was probably half covered with water And they had these different ports all over the place in ancient times where they came through. So, yeah, it's easy to think about it now, what the landscape is.

But if you kind of go back and now I'm reminded some of the stories we've heard, there's probably a lot more water and access points to different parts of America where they would build things and have a reason to build there specifically. What's the most interesting thing you've discovered, Terry? Like, what's sort of like your opus as a treasure hunter? I haven't found what I'm looking for. you know, Spanish gold bars or a giant, you know. But the mystery glyphs, you know, when I stumbled on to one of them sites that wasn't known about

and they didn't know about a lot of these, you know, that was, that was a treasure to me, you know, to find these neatly carved hieroglyphs, high in the cliffs, the mountains east to Provo, Utah, you know. And then when I started tracking them down, there was only 12 known sites that had been known about before that. And then I teamed up with some other people, and we've expanded that to there's 39 sites that scattered throughout the West Union United States. You know, that was special to me. But other than that, you know, I found little things here and there, you know, but not really what I'm looking for. Are you just on Google Earth all day looking for spots to go and check out, Terry? You know, I don't do that. I hear us. And, you know, and, you know,

And I should do that because there's a lot of cool things found by on Google Earth, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't do that. I hear a story and I track down certain things. And I spent a lot of time. You know, I spent a lot of time on Brewer's Cave. I'm still spending a lot of time, you know, and most of that time is fruitless. It doesn't pan out anything, you know, tracking down leads, you know.

A lot of that time, you know, a lot of time. You know, 99% of your time is not productive at all. you know. Yeah, I think about Oak Island, right? This is one of my, my dad's, my parents' favorite show, and I love the Oak Island. But, you know, it's, they spent so much time looking. That's why it's called hunting, right?

It's not finding all the time. You spend the vast majority, it's like the Israelites in the desert in time of Moses. Like, there are 40 years out there, but you just get the highlights of the things that happened. It's not the mundane of looking, tracking, digging, finding nothing. But it's hard because you can't tell people. where you're looking, where you're going, but you also want to tell people where you're going where you're looking. You're not going to Brewer's Cave anymore, you know, at night, you know,

and we know, like, the desire in you is to keep looking, keep finding. So do people slip you information, hey, you should check this out and you go and, like, do you bring anybody with you? How do you? Yeah, all the time I get, I get, like, I just got the other day. I had a guy contact me and he told me that his his uncle when he was a kid was um and this is in the canab area in utah and and there is stories of giants being found in the canab area in in Utah and so when his uncle when he was a kid they was out riding how horses herding cows or something but they they seen something strange they hiked up into a cliff got into an area and they seen these giant sitting around in a circle in this cliff and it spooked him they left well he told uh his brother

which was this kid's dad where it was at and and and so he went to go they tried going on tote goats and they didn't have enough gas to get there on tote goats so then his dad passed away but before his dad passed away his dad gave him the map this kid the map this guy the map and and uh told him the story told him where it's all that it's got it pinpointed and everything so he just contacted me the other day so we're We're planning a trip to there, but in the exact same area, as near as I can tell, I had a guy tell me when he was a kid. He found a giant skull, and they called the authorities in, and they roped the thing off, wouldn't let them in.

And this was back in the 60s. They wouldn't let him in. He thought it would be big news. He thought it would be all over to the newspapers. Not a word. Not a word was said. They never, they wouldn't even let him go up. He was the kid that found it, and he says that they dug the whole thing up and, and,

carted away and not a word was ever said. Well, this, this is where he found this skeleton, where this guy's telling me he's got the map to from his dad, from his brother, is the exact same area. So I'm pretty excited to go check that out, you know, and then, and then I had a guy contact me that, uh, from, from California, he's in the Mojave Desert. And he spent a lifetime up there searching things. And he found a lava tube, uh, catacomb that he broke into and he found, a room of giants in crystal sarcophagus. He says they looked like they was just sleeping. And then he says next to them was another room

with all these little people in it, mummies and little tools. And I'm thinking, you know, this is crazy. This sounds, are these guys on drugs or what? But the more you talk to these people, these guys really believe the story that they're telling me. That sounds a lot like Mount Shastodary. We heard the story of them of J.C. Brown? in Mount Shasta finding.

And there's a set of mystery glyphs there near Mount Shasta. Oh, Mount Chasta is bizarre. Yeah, I love these stories. Well, I was going to say, like, we've been doing this for five years, Terry. Maybe I can think of like four or five things that people have sent us that feel like the first time this story or this picture of something gets out. And you probably have to sift through a ton of stuff to find the good things.

I remember someone sent us this photo. It was a giant footprint that came out of a quarry in Montana. And it was amazing. There was like five photos of it. And this footprint was 22 inches. They even measured it and sent to us. We tried to buy it off of them. But someone had already purchased this whole slab and they wouldn't sell the footprint.

But it was clear as day, giant footprint in stone. Like I said, that goat man story, this guy sent us this photo of this definitely a 70s photo of these fossilized like sater looking goat things that they found in a cave. And, you know, someone sent us photos of these these schools that were dug up in New Mexico on this guy's property. But every single time, these people don't want to come on our podcast and tell their story. They don't want the publicity. They don't want to get shut down. It's the same thing where you don't want people coming out on their property. And so even five years of our treasure hunting, we've only found a handful of like what I would say are original stories that feel, but it's all the same as what

you're describing. It's in this vein. Giants were here. And I think the numbers are insane. The amount of people who've found these on their farms, hills, there must have been a lot of giants in America for random people in the 70s, 60s still finding them.

I think there were a lot here. I think there's still a lot you can find. I think you're going to find them, Terry. That's what I'm saying. I hope you do. I hope you're right. That'd be cool just to see to know that they're real. And I think the reason you don't have as many newspaper articles about them as you did was back then like I said people that's what they did for a hobby they

looted Native American tombs that's what they was doing they dig up the pots and stuff and sell them to museums or sell them to tourists or whatever that's what they did that doesn't happen anymore and that's why I don't think you're getting as many um dug up but yeah also I think I think these places have been sort of as you talked about the fishing game they've they've been legally sort of cordoned off so you can't go yeah I had a question I I want to go back to the mystery glyphs real quick. You can say you found 39 locations. Yeah.

Have you translated? They don't have able to translate in these glyphs yet. So we don't have any idea what they say or is anyone working on translating, trying to figure out what these are. And the secondary question, is it the same, does it appear to be the same type of glyph? Or are you getting sort of variations in maybe what you would consider to be linguistics, like a different looks, maybe not the same handwriting, but not the same message perhaps, but like the same language?

Does it look to be the same? It's the exact same language. It's the exact same. What it is is a form of pictorial language. And it resembles closely with what the Agybawa say is the pictorial language of the ancients. And Chief Koppway, who he was the chief of the Agybawa Nation. He wrote a book in 1850 talking about the Ajiabawa Nation. And he shows this ancient pictorial language,

that was only known by the medicine men or whoever, you know, and it was a form of communication between all tribes. And he shows this, you know. And he talks about also in this book, he talks about that they have, there was a group of, in their tribe, there was a group of these braves that were the most trusted braves in the whole clan.

And there, they was. they was to guard these ancient sacred records that was passed down since the time of the flood. And what they would do is they had a cedar, they had a cedar tree that was hollowed out, they filled it with goose down, and they threw these ancient records in there where they was on slate, birch bark, silver, copper, and then they smeared the whole thing with pine pitch like the like brewers boxes were. And then they buried them. And then every ten, or 15 years they would dig them up and they was i can't remember 10 or 15 of these these uh wise men that was in charge of these and they would dig them up do their ceremonies they would go over with everything

meant because it was passed down for over a hundred generations he said the translation of these and he says the white man thinks we can't keep an oral tradition and no he says man this is this was committed to these guys to to know exactly what each one of these said and they had to repeat it over and over and and one of these guys died off they brought a new one in and he had to learn it in these uh um records that they would pull out every now some of them would deteriorate like the barts bark ones would and it was written in this hieroglyphic pictorial language like the mystery glyphs they would make an exact replica and then they would split the the old one the birch bark and give it to each one of them that was there in the council there and and uh you know for their for their medicine bags or whatever

whatever they did you know well chief copway he was the chief of the egypti nation and he never knew a thing about these ancient records he never knew a thing about this writing until his uncle's best friend who is one of these watchers told him about it but the thing that interested me about that story was one the ancient records the the the hide them in a cedar bark smeared with pine pitch to waterproof it But that language was the pictorial language, that's these mystery glyphs. These mystery glyphs tracking them down, you go to them and some of them, you can see had been refreshed, rec carved. You know? And I'm thinking, I'm wondering if this is part of that same ceremony that's passed down for 100 generations.

And you've got somebody watching these instead of being on birch bark slate and all that, they're on these stonecliff walls. and somebody is refreshing them. And then over time, you've got the Indian wars, you got the Native Americans dying of smallpox and things like that. And these things were lost. The history of these things was lost. I wonder if this is part of that, but I don't know. People are trying to interpret them.

People are saying, you know, they're coming up with different theories, whether them theories are right. It's just a theory. We'll never know, we'll never know, till we find a smoking gun we'll never know how many um eras of you know obviously things have been here then died off and buried and then comes back i mean how old do you think uh some of these ancient giants might have been and when were they here in america have you put together any kind of timeline in your mind of of how old this stuff is so i really haven't tried to track down

you know the the history of the giants how old they are and all that I just wanted to know if they were real because I wanted to know for Brewers' Cave. You know, so I've got an interest in it. I got an interest in anything that the academia says that isn't real didn't happen. You know, that there wasn't inter-travel, continental travel before Columbus. I want to know about that stuff because I don't know. It definitely was. If it's real, I want to know if it's real or not.

And to go along with the archaeologists, you know, there has been a lot of fraud. no question. I've caught some people in frauds. There has been a lot. So it is hard to sift what's true and what's not. So I can get that part of it, but I also believe that they are trying to cover things up. And the regular archaeologists,

they just don't want to be caught in the middle, so they don't want nothing to do with anything that's out of place that goes against the norm. Yeah, they just tell the company line. Let me just say, so am I correct? And you think you think that the mystery glyphs are connected to the tablets found in Brewer's Cave? That these are the same.

No, no. No, no, no. Those are a different type of writing. Those are connected, I think, with the tablets that the Ajibaba'a had that was, they said, was passed down for over 100 generations and was given to him by the wise man. After the time of the flood, in fact, Chief Coppway says, every Indian tribe got a set of these records. He says, he specifically says, even the Indians out, even the tribes out west got a copy of these records. Sounds like, I mean, it sounds a lot like what we hear. You know, Graham Hancock famously has this whole like narrative about post-flood, these enlightened travelers show up and they teach people's civilization. It sounds a lot like when, you know, when we look at the Bible, it's like the watchers.

It's the, these angels show up and they impart knowledge to humanity. And I think it's a fascinating idea that if this is, if that oral tradition is true and that really happened, that you have this passing of knowledge. and written down, like watch your knowledge, if you will, that makes it down through the generations. And then, you know, you're tracking down being, you know, these alternative history stories that line up with what we see in the biblical narrative and also line up with the existence of giants.

And there's this ancient knowledge that was passed down and recorded in stone or recorded on tablets. I think it's so interesting. It makes me want to come out to, you know, Utah and hang out, Terry, and go and go put a shovel in the dirt. Well, it's so fast. I mean, you're looking at like a whole, it's a lot of area to explore. What's the, what's the next exploration?

It's one of my last questions. Like, what's up next? What are you going to go look and trying to find? You know, this kid that contacted me that has this map to where this cave of giants are, you know, that highly interests me, you know, so that's, that's on the radar. there's there's there's there's there's so much I have a hard time you know I have to I have to work for a living to pay for my hobby so when I have a free time I have to pick and choose you know what I want to what I want to go for and there's so much stuff on the plate and so much things on the back burner that I even forget about and and I got to go back

through my notes and say oh yeah man I need to I need to do some more tracking down on that thing so but I think my next venture is going to try and find this cavern of giants with this guy. And now it's perfect time. You know, it's not too hot, not too cold. Yeah. Terry, if you need a couple of dummies that can just can probably do a little bit of manual labor. Let us know. Okay.

I would love to do that. Yeah, we're always on the trail ourselves here, you know, trying to find these things. And we talked, like I said, early on the show, we talked a lot about giants. And we've said a lot of times that we've looked at it from every angle we can, you know, whether they've dug up giant bones, the language of the giants, the, you know, any sort of clue that would give to the existence of these things. And like we found, it's, it's like Sasquatch stories. There's a bunch of different stories. It sounds like there's a whole world of these things, different types.

I'm sure there were many ancient giants living there with different languages, different time periods, right? Maybe some of these were pre-flood, post-flood. I mean, it could be, you know, a huge span of time and you're digging up stuff from different eras and you don't even, you can't connect the dots. I don't think it was a one and done quick era of American history. I think there was a history before a history before a history here, you know. And it's cool that you're out still on the trail buying these things. But yeah, like Luke said, we're always down for adventures if you ever want to. We'll come, Terry.

We'll fly ourselves out to Utah. But hey, so appreciate you spending time with us and town. and would love for you to have a chance to tell everybody, listening to our show, like where, I know you have a YouTube page, a pretty big YouTube page where you go through a lot of these things, but tell everybody where they can find what you're working on and follow your adventures, Terry.

So you can check out my YouTube channel. It's just Terry Carter Treasure Hunter on YouTube. Look for the Pirates, Skull and Crossbones with a patch on his eye, and then on Facebook also Terry L. Carter. Well, we'll have our listeners also send you some... You need more stuff. sent to you. Well, if you have a cave on your property with some giants in it, you know, we know where to go. You know who to, who to call, but, uh, thank you, Terry. Yeah, thanks,

Terry. I appreciate it. Thank you guys. Great to meet you, man. I love what you're doing. I'm slightly jealous that, uh, then your free time, you get your treasure hunting. I think someday, someday I'd like to do the same. So, come on out to Utah. We'll have a great time. Let's do it. All right. Yeah. Thank you, Terry. We'll do it. Thanks, Terry. Appreciate it. Have a good one.