Blurry Creatures - EP: 326 The Shattered Planet with Tim Alberino *Live at Blurry Con 2

Episode Date: May 14, 2025

Live from Blurry Con 2, Tim Alberino dives deep into one of his most provocative theories yet—the mysterious lost planet once known as Rahab. Could it have been the elusive fifth planet between Mars and Jupiter? Perhaps it was an ancient home of the rebel angels, as some ancient texts suggest? And did it meet a catastrophic end—exploding and scattering its remains across the solar system? Join us as Alberino unpacks the evidence, connects the cosmic dots, and explores what the destruction of Rahab might mean for humanity’s hidden history. - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hope you enjoy it. station. Close all outboard shields. And with a cell phone bell clip, cargo pants, a bolt whip yelling, that's a big deal. A lot of weird stuff on the death start of day.

We're about to have a board meeting. Yeah, we are. Did you miss the board? Did you miss the game show? I think you missed it. I did. I missed the telephone booth. Yeah, you missed that.

Some people didn't get out of it last. I think it was Laura. She could find a way out. We were tired of bet. Tim, we've done a lot of stuff together. We just put out a Book of Enoch together. You guys got the radio. And we went to Peru right after last year's glorycon.

So we've done a lot of fun stuff. And we're going to Costa Rica. That's right. That's right. There's a few more tickets to Costa Rica. If anyone wants to join us, they have a three or four left. And we have a very Star Wars theme talk today, planar supposedly. That we do.

Yeah. Exploding planets and something like that. I don't remember. Oh, that's good. That'll be a good start to this. show. Yeah. He just killed a time. I need a cigar. Can we smoke a cigarette stuff? We were in church, Tim. Although a blurry church. Yeah, it's true. We do have blurry cigars though, right?

Oh, we do. Yeah, we do. We do. At the BIP event, Watson Blurry. Oh. Yes. He's in that. All right. So Tim, what do you want to start with this conversation? It's always hard to get you started. But then once you get started and you go, it doesn't end. It's like that blazer the flu in here. It's still driving. Where do you want to start with this conversation? Did you like how you got here? I did. Did you see?

Yeah. I feel like that was your style. All right. All right. All right. Well, we'll see you later. I do want to say that, you know, last year, some of you may be aware I went on an expedition in the Amazon. I investigated the face peelers.

And it was gentlemen from this church who helped me fund it. So let's hear it for Conduit. Sure. On to it, third. Yeah, that's right. Pastor Darren Tyler and some of the guys from this church, yeah, help me do that. Yeah, really cool people here. They've been incredibly generous to us.

Basically, like I said, gave us the keys for like four days and make it happen. So without them, it wouldn't be here. But that's really cool. So they funded that expedition for you. They co-funded it with me. Okay. Yeah. Fantastic.

We are able to give, like, food and stuff to the locals. Yeah. supplied that village. We brought them, um, let's go. I got to get that installed in my house. Yeah, every time I walked in my house. Well, I was in a stormtrooper. Yeah. He also knows the game shot rules as well. So John Don's the talent. Yeah. Now, we're not, but we're not talking about going to the jungle, Tim. We are, uh, are we always. Welcome to the jungle. Yeah. We are talking about some topics we haven't talked about. We're talking about Rehab Mars specifically. and some of your thoughts around.

Yeah, this is a topic I don't think we ever talked about on your show. Is it? Rehab a little bit. Okay. I think you've teased it. But you just need it a Star Wars set to really happen.

Yeah, I agree. Teased it out. Yeah. I mean, look at this. Rehab could have been right there. We don't know. No idea. Hell, the audio, too.

I decided I don't want to talk about this anymore Oh, that's great, all right I'll take the initiative I think we got this yet Okay It's hard to transition into anything serious When you walk after walking through blast doors The Star Wars music

And I think you guys had Yoda or something Around here too really right He's creeping around He's always here He's pretty mean That's a mean Yoda Yeah Scrumby

Lonely Want me just to dive in Yes Sam I'll talk about how Yoda lonely. You don't know what's turning? I mean, where the heck am I? I feel like he's like a lady in the Titanic. It's like, 87 years. It's avoided. Well, if you read my book Birthright, then you know that I have a very different

perception of the beginning of Genesis and a lot of people. You know, the conventional view is that the beginning of Genesis is the beginning of the universe. It's the beginning of the story, the narrative. And I have a different view. and in fact, I believe it is the correct biblical view in that what we see in Genesis verse 2 specifically is a re-beginning on the earth in the aftermath of cataclysm. And that that's where our story begins, but our story is not the first chapter in the book. Our story begins after the events of the previous episode. Movie 3.

That's right. Yeah. Good. That's good, Nate. Star Wars? Nobody? Anyway, every once so well. Every once a while.

So, and I have to sort of preface this discussion of Rahab. And so there's, as we've talked about before, there's a couple of different ways to view the beginning of Genesis. And we don't have time to go into all the details, but the conventional view is that Genesis 1, as I said, in Genesis 2, is the very beginning, right? And we show up in the beginning. That's where our story begins.

Genesis 1 is in the beginning. God created the heavens in the earth, and then the earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And that seems like a full sentence that that is the initial formation of the earth, the initial formation of the universe, and then boom, we pop up on the scene after,

you know, on the sixth day of creation. but there's a very good case that can be made. I do it in birthright, and I do it using material from George H. Pember, the 19th century scholar, who proposed that, in fact, there is a different rendering of verse 1 and 2 in Genesis. And I don't have time to go through all the details

that would take more than time we have here, but just know that you could just as easily derive verse one and two in the following way. In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. So that's the initial creation. Full stop, period. But, and the but rendition of this verse is actually in the Septuagint, the Greek translation of the Old Testament, but the earth became desolate and empty,

and darkness was upon the face of, The D. That's a very different story. That's a very different scene. It's not a continuous flow from verse one into verse two, and this is the beginning of everything. Rather, what you have in this scenario is you have the universe coming into existence, and then you have something happening on earth that renders it desolate and empty. And I believe that that's something is cataclysm, and that the opening scene of Genesis is the earth in a state of ruination post-caticism. Sometimes it feels like when you get that phone bill, it's like the crash site document. You can't read it.

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And so you ask yourself the question, what happened preceding this opening scene? What caused this scene? And I think the answer to that question we're all very familiar with would be there was a rebellion. There was a rebellion. Now, I know some people take the position that the rebellion of Satan, the fall of Satan happened in the Garden of Eden,

and that's when that whole thing initiated. I don't. I believe that there was a, dare I say, galactic rebellion. Oh, what do you know? In the preademic past, and it was an insurrection. And the insurrection was led by a renegade prince who was exceedingly prominent in the kingdom of heaven. Indeed, the highest being in created order

under the king of heaven himself, the son of God. and that he drew into this rebellion various other princes, specifically six other princes, or red dragon with seven heads, and that this culminated, this conflict that ensued, culminated in the obliteration of a planet. And I believe that that planet is called Rehab in the Old Testament, and there's illusions to Rehab throughout the Old Testament. which we can get to some of those. And then after the this insurrection was incited by this renegade prince, the dragon, which is one of his monocers in the Old Testament, he is vanquished.

And the Bible actually, the Old Testament actually, there's a thread of this story that you can follow through the Old Testament. Those of you who've read Birthright will know that there's There's an epic, there's an epic story there, but it's cryptic. It's encrypted, and you have to extract the data, like an encrypted folder. You have to decrypt it and extract the data. And when you do, you get intimations of this epic battle that took place in the cosmos before the creation of Adam, in which the king of heaven, the right hand of God vanquished his enemies and threw them down.

And again, in the midst of this battle, an entire planet was obliterated. And that would be today the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter. That's the thesis. And so we show up on the scene in the aftermath of this conflict. And indeed, I think that we show up in the scene, not only in the aftermath of this conflict, but as a consequence of this conflict. Do you believe the world was here,

or it was a world created after that? I believe that the beginning of Genesis where we see the creation of the earth and the things that happened in those six days, that what we are seeing, in fact, is a reformation of the earth, a renewal of the earth in the aftermath of cataclysm. And again, if you trace this thread through the Old Testament, this story emerges.

This epic tale emerges. And you begin to understand the gravity and consequence of the creation of human species and this adversary that we're encountering in the scriptures. Because this isn't a new adversary. This is a very old adversary. and he was defeated on, let's call them, extraterrestrial battlefields in days past. And again, I'm not making this up,

there's intimations of this in the Bible. And he will be ultimately banquished once and for all at Armageddon. Well, almost once in for all. But that all of everything that's happening now, we're moving in a particular direction and all of this is going to culminate in a kinetic war. at the end of the age.

So I can go ahead. I like this because we know there's an ancient battle, right? And frankly, the Bible is the story of man, right? It's our story. And we notice that there is these things that are prehistory

to us. And it feels like there's shadows of this, as you sort of allude to in the Bible. But you know, to think about the things that happen before time, if you will. I think it's a fascinating hypothesis, an idea to sort of assess out what happened before we

arrived on the scene, right? Because we know that, as you would call the elder race, but there's these heavenly beings, there's these, the angels that just Greek word for messenger, we can ad nauseum, we talk about down the show, but there's this whole thing that happens before we arrive on the scene that sort of sits in the shadow place. Because we're really, I mean, the Bible story of birthright and Adam and he would give them dominion on earth and then everything that happens with fall and then, of course, the work of Jesus Christ to redeem that.

There is a bigger story. There is a pre-story, you know, a prequel, if you will. Intimations of this story. Remember, so much of the Bible is esoteric, especially prophecy. and people think that the idea of esoterrorism is derives from the occult. That's not true. King Solomon said, it is the glory of God to conceal a thing and the glory of kings to search out a thing.

And so much of this, I believe, of the, of there's a lot of information, much of the information pertaining to things that transpired in the universe before we showed up on the scene is, intimated in the Old Testament. And if you'll indulge me, we will. We absolutely will. I would like to read a... I heard that's a good little book there.

I'd like to read an excerpt from... This excellent book for Birth... Just going to get up. If I can see it. And I've got to do this because it's difficult for me really to properly... You thought this through before? No. No, no, this is the first time.

All right. How's it going so funny? Pretty good. Okay, here we go. I'm going to read this. And this is going to give you guys an understanding what I'm talking about here. So remember, we're talking about Rahab. Rehab is a very mysterious thing.

If you consult the scholars on Rahab, there's a panoply of different opinions as to what rehab is, because you'll see in a moment that Rehab shows up in very interesting context. And nobody really knows what to make of Rehab. And it's, what did Chuck Misley used to say when you, when you find something like a contradiction or something interesting that you can't figure out the Bible rejoice because you stumbled upon something very important? And I think that certainly pertains to Rehab. Here we go. Bear with me. The connotations of the word Rehab, fierce, insolent, proud, boaster are the calling cards of its renegade prints.

References to Rehap in the biblical text are distinct. bellicose and directly associated with the dragon's rebellion and the triumph of the king who vanquished him. I'm going to read three verses from Job Isaiah and Psalms. The pillars of heaven tremble and are astounded at his rebuke. By his power, he stilled the sea. By his understanding, he shattered Rahab. Two things here. Stilling the sea, shattering Rahab. Okay, the next verse. Awake. Awake. put on strength, oh arm of the Lord, awake as in days of old. The generations of long ago, was it not you who cut Rehab in pieces, who pierced the dragon?

You rule the raging of the sea. When its waves rise, you still them. You have broken Rehab in pieces as one who is slain. You have scattered your enemies with your... mighty arm. Now let's notice a couple of things in these verses. And again, that was, first one was Job, second was Isaiah, third, or most Psalm. There's a few, there's a few themes in each of these verses. You have a stilling of the sea, right? You rule the raging of the sea. When it's waves, waves rise, you still them. Okay, that's one thing. The second thing,

the shattering of Rehab. whatever this thing Rehab is it's being shattered third theme the dragon is involved associated with Reham and then the fourth thing that I want you to notice is this is one of those places in the Bible where you can the the son of God i.e. Jesus of Nazareth is present in these verses but you don't see him unless you know where to look right he says in the second verses, O arm of the Lord. Awake, awake, put on strength. Oh, arm of the Lord.

It's in Isaiah 519. And the other one says, you have scattered your enemies with your mighty arm. And when you realize, and I talk about this in the book, we don't have time to go too far down this path. Here, how much time do we have, by the way?

You got plenty of time. You're looking at right there? It's like a minute hour. Oh, okay. So the arm of the Lord in the Bible, Or the right, I'm just getting started. Or the right hand of God is an allusion to the son of God, the king of heaven. Every time.

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I'll continue. stilling and ruling the raging sea are metaphors for quelling and subduing insurrection. The shattering of Rahab was the decisive blow that pierced the dragon and brought his rebellion to an abrupt and devastating end. When Rahab exploded, its smoldering shards rained down on the planets in its vicinity, each one striking with a force many thousands of times more powerful than a nuclear bomb, igniting their atmospheres with a firestorm hot enough to liquefy solid rock and vaporize everything else. The impacts would have triggered chains of volcanic eruptions and mile-high tidal waves,

melting and washing away every vestige of the rebel kingdoms so that nothing would be left to posterity. And I'll continue here as well, and then we'll pause and discuss this. personified as a spectator to this cataclysmic event. Notice this. So I'll preface this what I'm about to read. So I'm jumping in in the middle of this chapter about Rahab here. I set up all of this in the beginning of this chapter. And what I believe is happening here, where I believe is being described, as I said earlier,

is an insurrection that's being put down the raging of the sea, that the right hand of God, the son of God, is stilling. the waters, he's calming the region of the sea. He's putting down insurrection. And he's doing so with the armies of the kingdom of heaven. Personified as a spectator, and this is in a galactic context, this is not happening on earth, personified as a spectator to this cataclysmic event, the earth saw and trembled as the insurgent forces of the apostate princes, the gods, were incinerated before the Lord. His garments, stained crimson striding forward in the greatness of his strength. I'm going to read here from

Psalm 97. Listen to this. Remember, the earth is a spectator in this verse. Fire goes before him and burns up his adversaries roundabout. His lightnings lit up the world. The earth saw and trembled. The mountains melted like wax at the presence of the Lord. worship him all you gods. Isn't this interesting that this verse is being directed to the gods? Worship him all you gods. Zion heard this and was glad, and the daughters of Judah have rejoiced because of your judgments, O Lord,

for you are the Lord most high over all the earth. You are exalted far above all gods. Okay, so we have the earth spectating here. There's this event. fire goes before him and burns up all his enemies. There's this cataclysmic events that melts the mountains like wax. And who is this addressed to? Worship him, all you gods.

Psalm 89 provides a fitting synopsis of the concepts, well, presented earlier in this chapter. Now listen to this. Written in Memorium of the Dragon's Rebellion, the Psalm proclaims a solemn warning to all those who would dare to defy the king of heaven and rise up against him. This is Psalm 89. For who in the skies, cosmos, can be compared to the Lord?

Who among the heavenly beings is like the Lord, a God greatly to be feared in the Council of the Holy Wants, and awesome above all who are around him? O Lord of hosts, armies, who is mighty as you are, O Lord, with your faithfulness or faithful all around you? You rule the raging of the sea insurrection. When its waves rise, you still them.

You crushed Rehab like a carcass. You scattered your enemy with your mighty arm, the son of God. The heavens are yours. The earth also is yours, the world, and all that is in it, you have founded them. And I want you to think about it. I hope you're all following me here. So the right hand of God is his son, who is the king of heaven.

This king is marching out on extraterrestrial battlefields and vanquishing the dragon long before the creation of mankind in days of old. So this is, as I said, intimations of this galactic conflict. And remember, Jesus is the right hand of God. over and over again, it's the right hand of God that does what? Stills the raging sea. Isn't that a hallmark of Jesus of Nazareth? Yeah, controlling the chaos.

Remember when they're in the boat? The disciples are with Jesus in the boat? I'll read it. And the great windstorm arose, and the waves beat into the boat so that it was already filling. But he was in the stern, Jesus, asleep on a pillow. And they woke him and said to him, teacher, do you not care that we are perishing? And he arose and rebuked the wind and said to the sea,

Peace, be still. Who stills the raging of the sea? The right hand of God. And the wind ceased and there was a great calm, but he said to them, why are you so fearful? How is it that you have no faith? And they feared exceedingly and said to one another, who can this be that even the wind and the sea obey him? Well, if they had paid attention to the Old Testament, I think they would have realized, and they did realize later on, who can this be? It's the son of God, the right hand of God, who pierced the dragon and shattered Rehab in pieces. And so this depiction of Jesus as the one who puts down insurrection, he stills the seas, the raging of the seas.

he literally does this in his ministry on earth. And I think as a calling card of who he is, and remember after he does that, he goes to Gadara and is confronted by the Gatorine Domania. And the demons throw theirself at his feet. What have we to do with you, you son of God? They knew who he was. Why have you come to torment us before the time?

Of course, that's an allusion to the Book of Enoch. So do you believe that, this might play a part of why humans were created and how we were created? I believe that we were created in consequence or as a consequence of something that preceded us. I believe that the earth was inhabited, and indeed I would go so far as to say, although I can't prove it, that the other planet center solar system were probably also inhabited. And I talk about how that could be in the book. And I'm not here to promote my book. I'm just using it as notes.

You can promote it. That's okay. It's okay, Tim. That's all right. So, we're selling copies out of the back of your trunk, right? Yeah. You got bootlegs. You got bootlegs. Bootleg barinos. So what's the purpose of rehab then? Like, why? What was going on there before it blew up? Well, I think of the Earth and the other planets in our solar system were inhabited, that it was a pre-ademic civilization. It was probably governed by the elder race,

but there may have been other entities also here and there who are being governed. Remember, we've talked about this on your show. I believe that the sons of God rule in the kingdom of heaven. Not all sentient beings are sons. We were supposed to be sons. Indeed, Adam was a son of God. That means he was in the family.

And this is why I believe that we were created in the image and likeness of the Elohim, because their siblings look similar to one another. It's the mark of our family that we're part of the family of God. And so imagine this. You have this, the kingdom of heaven suffers violence and the violent take it by force.

You have this insurrection that breaks out and this renegade prince brings with him into the, rebellion, other princes who have their own principalities. That's what a principality is, by the way. It's a realm governed by a prince. And they join him in this uprising against the king of heaven. And this huge battle ensues. And I wish I had it bookmarked here, but I don't. This huge battle ensues and you have, in the aftermath of this uprising, after the son of God puts it down, we have an untold period of time that transpires,

and then a decision is made to renew the earth and establish a new regent. But who is going to rule the earth now in the aftermath of this rebellion? Who can be trusted to rule and not rebel? And the answer comes forth from the council, as Dr. Heiser would describe it.

The council deliberated and decided that they would create a new being, a human being as a younger sibling to the elder race who could rule and restore the earth, unmarred by the events of the past. Kayak gets my flight, hotel, and rental car right, so I can tune out travel advice that's just plain wrong. Bro, Skycoin, way better than points. Never fly during a Scorpio full moon.

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I'm going to try and recall them. I believe both of them are from the book of Job in which it's stated that he puts no trust in his holy ones. His angels, he charges with error. And I believe this is the disposition of the king in the wake of the insurrection. And so the decision is made, as I said, to create a younger sibling to govern the earth who's not tainted by the affairs of the past. That's where our story begins. That's where our chapter opens up. And I want to, I want to, real quick, what else could Rehab be if it wasn't a planet

that exposed? There's all different kinds of ideas and honestly, I don't even recall what they are, but there's a bunch of different postulations on what Rehab is. It seems like the Earth is separate in these verses. It's its own thing, and then there's something else happening. That's right. It's spectating this thing that's happening and what kind of a cataclysm could melt

mountains like wax? Nooks. Death Star? Well, yeah. Also a desk. That's a better answer. Well, no. You're actually closer than you think.

A lot of planet exploding. Exactly. In the vicinity of planet. A laser. So listen to this. This is all planned out, Tim. I don't know if you know that. All right.

So I'm going to give you a flavor of what, and then we'll get to do something very interesting here. So if you'll indulge me. Oh, we will. I appreciate the show. the formality. It's feel like you need a

form. We're like, no, we're not reading the book anymore, too. We're done. Story time. It's right. It's Tim Halberino. The song of Deborah memorialized in the book of judges

describes the king of heaven marching against the dragon on the galactic battlefield of Edom. Now, we'll talk about Edom in a moment. Now, listen. This is from the song of Deborah. Hero kings, give arrow princes.

Lord, when you went out from Sear, when you marched from the field of Edom, the earth trembled and the heavens poured, the clouds also poured water, the mountains melted before the Lord. They fought from the heavens, the stars, their courses, from their courses fought. They fought from the heavens, the stars from the course's, from their courses fought. their course as fought. Now, what are stars metaphoric? Heavenly beings? Stars are metaphorical for heavenly beings. As previously, well, I was going to say, I was going to read where I write, as previously

mentioned, when titles of regency are directly juxtaposed in the biblical text, I mentioned that previously in the chapter. In this case, kings and princes, they often signal a distinction of realms and rulers, the terrestrial and the extraterrestrial, kings of the human race and their elder race counterparts. The oracles of Edom are intended to convey the scope and nature of a cosmic conflict that began long ago on extraterrestrial worlds, but is destined to culminate on Earth at the Battle of Armageddon. And we're going to compare two verses, and I want you to listen,

to the way that these verses are framed. If we compare the prophecy of Isaiah 63, looking back to the Battle of Edom, and again, we'll discuss Edom in a moment, with a vision of John in Revelation 19, looking forward to the Battle of Armageddon, a clear correlation emerges. Both of these passages portray the king of heaven, making war, his raiment stained in blood as he treads the winepress of God's wrath,

writes Isaiah. Who is this coming from Edom, from Beaux-Rah, the capital of Edom, with his garment-stained crimson? Who is this robed in splendor striding forward in the greatness of his strength? It is I proclaiming victory mighty to save. Why are your garments red like those of one treading the wine-fress? I have trodden the wine-fress alone from the nations no one was with me. I trampled them in my anger and trod them down in my wrath.

Their blood splattered on my garments and I stained all my clothing. That's Isaiah. Now, John, Revelation. Then I saw heaven open and behold a white horse. The one sitting on it is called faithful and true, and in righteousness he judges and makes war. His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diodes, crowns. And he has a name written that no one knows but himself. He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, Isaiah. And the name by which he is called is the Word of God. And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses. From his mouth comes a sharp sword and with which to strike down the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron. He would tread the wine first of the fury of the wrath of God, the Almighty. On his robe and on his thigh, he has a name written, king of kings and lord of lords. So I want you to notice something here.

This is a depiction of the son of God striding on a battlefield with his robe dipped in blood. I believe that the reference in Isaiah is both is a veiled reference to something that happened in the past in Revelation, he's coming again to finish the job. And the battle is with the same adversary. Can I ask a question just as of the opinion question because you can only prognosticate, but a lot of, do you think there was a shared, maybe ancient knowledge,

like maybe passed down from the time of Adam about this? that also existed as an under-undercurrent? Or do you think the most of the information that we have, biblically speaking, comes out of the prophets was a prophetic download, really, of God's saying this is kind of some things that happened. Like, just, I mean, it's honestly an opinion question, but, you know, you maybe wonder, like, how do they know,

in Psalm, right? How do they know some of these? I would say they didn't. I would say that they were writing under inspiration, and they really did not understand the depth, the magnitude of what they were writing. Yeah. It's a few of us.

You don't know. Maybe Adam and God walked in the garden and God told him. Oh, that's very powerful read it. That's a good footnote here because when you look at the garden episode and you think about Eve, you know, for those of you who've listened to me enough, no, I have very different view of the garden of eating the most people. But when you look at that whole episode, Eve isn't being tempted to eat an apple. she was being tempted with the knowledge of the of the elder sibling the elder race to become like them like god is withholding from you he's not telling you what i will teach you i mean this is even the way that the and of course that's in reference to the to the serpent the dragon that's serpent of

old who is the devil and satir and so eve was beguiled by the serpent because she was being offered something that Yahweh wasn't giving her. And it was the temptation to become like the gods. And that doesn't just mean an immortality. I mean, they were already immortal Adam and Eve. That means it's the tree of knowledge. That means having knowledge, the knowledge that the elder race had. And so the point here is that Adam and Eve are interacting with very ancient being in possession of knowledge. And indeed, if you look at the mystery schools and you want to understand

Luciferianism, it's the gospel upside down. It's the biblical narrative upside down. Because in the mystery schools, they teach that Adam and Eve, that Yahweh was imprisoning Adam and Eve, and that he was inhibiting them from becoming like the gods and from obtaining the knowledge and that it was in fact the serpent who was the benefactor of mankind and who was offering the knowledge to mankind

and offering Adam and Eve the opportunity to apotheosize and become like their elder siblings. That's the gospel of the mystery schools. That's the gospel of Luciferianism, which again is an inversion of the gospel of Christ. And so I think so to answer your question, I think that Adam and Eve were created in the wake of this rebellion, in my estimation, and God wanted them to rule and to have this reset and to rule the earth as faithful regents, the kingdom of heaven, a reformation of the earth, new regents on earth to rule,

and to be unsullied by the affairs of the past, right? And so I think that there was information given a lot of information. given to Adam and Eve. A lot of knowledge that came from God, but he didn't want them to be implicated in the rebellion and in the, and in the, that insurrectionary spirit of,

of the dragon. And yet, he permitted the dragon to tempt them. It was a test of loyalty. And there's a lot that can be said. That gets very philosophical. Well, kind of reminds me, Lou, like the quote, you know, I was there 3,000 years ago when we marched on the slopes of Mount Dune, you know, like, where did he get that idea?

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Get started at redfin.com. Own the dream. You're getting to eat on, but I just, you wonder, like, the understanding of the ancients to sort of imagine or, not even imagined, to speak about the things before time, right? Like, I just think that idea of passing down by the door, even given that, as you say, as, you know, as inspired. is interesting because it is that like you talk about with solomon it is this sort of

it's prophetic so it's it's like a code you have to kind of figure out and unlock how much is iconography and how much of this is well because i think the whole thing happened like we talk about genesis six all the time on there's not much backstory to that right so there would be this prior knowledge that they had why couldn't they have a prior knowledge of rehab you know that just worked its way in like the story of the nephalmorphed themselves It's just not a lot of condo they very well mayhout. Yeah, but you were good to eat them. I know how I kind of derailed that. Well, she would indulge me one more time.

I'm going to read a portion I read. We've got to give him a whiskey now. You're going to find something very intriguing here. I'm going to read this last portion. Again, bear with me for a moment. Yeah. We'll indulge you. Yes. A closer look at Isaiah 63 forces us to contend with a perplexing scenario. Notice how the king is wroth with the nations because they did not support him in battle. I have trod and a wine cress alone from the nations, no one was with me. The circumstance is emphasized in the verses that follow.

I looked, but there was no one to help. I was appalled that no one gave support. Remember, this is God speaking here. So my own arm achieved salvation for me, and my own wrath sustained me. me. I trampled the nations in my anger, in my wrath. I made them drunk and poured their blood on the ground. Remarkably, the song of Deborah identifies the faithless bystanders who declined to join the ranks of the king when he marched on the field of Edom. This is Judges 5, verse 23. Curse ye, Maraz, said the angel of the Lord. Curse ye bitterly the inhabitants thereof.

because they came not to help to the help of the Lord, to the help of the Lord against the mighty. Two questions necessarily arise from this scenario. Who are the mighty against whom the Lord requested support? And who or what is Meroz? The answer to the first question is apparent, the forces of the dragon's confederacy. and according to ancient rabbinical tradition,

the answer to the second question is a planet. In his seminal work Sidonia, the Secret Chronicles of Mars, the late researcher extraordinaire, David Flynn explains. This will be the end of my reading here. The Talmud records that Miraz is the name of a planet. This planet Miraz was thought to be inhabited, as the verse literally explains. Curse ye bitterly the inhabitants. thereof. The context in which the reference to Mera's is found defines it as a planet and not as a

neighboring city. One verse earlier, Deborah stated from the heavens they fought from the stars, the stars from their orbits. The Zohar also follows the opinion that Meraas is a star, yet it also states that its inhabitants refers to its camp. Additionally, the Sephyr-Habrit, and this is David Flynn writing, explains that the beings of Miraz are ba'le Sekhel Ahu Madah, masters of intelligence and science. But they lack the component of Bekhira, which means free will.

The Midrash teaches that there were seven worlds, the Zohar states that the seven worlds were separated by affirmament and were inhabited, although not inhabited by man, they were the domain of intelligent creatures. Now, so that's an excerpt from David Flynn's book, Sidonia, which, by the way, Sidonia, the Secret Chronicles of Mars by David Flynn, is the most consequential book I've ever read in my entire life.

And so what he's pointing out here is that rabbinic tradition, including the Talmud, the Zohar, and a couple of other ancient scripts, They held that Maros, who did not come to the aid of the Lord, represented a civilization on a planet. And that these people were masters of intelligence and science, but they lacked the human component of free will. Well, that sounds a whole lot like gray aliens to me. Here we go.

So this is very, very intriguing. And there's a lot more that can be said in support of this idea, right? That there was a galactic rebellion vanquished by the right hand of God, which is a reference to the son of God unequivocally in the Old Testament, that the king of heaven, his robe, stained in blood, marched upon the battlefield of Edom. So what is Eidon? But go ahead.

Well, what does he do, make? Turn the tables on me then. Say how this goes. No, I think doing the show for as long as we have, like what you're laying out makes sense based on the stories that we hear. Like, why is Bigfoot and UFOs associated with each other? Some people say they're being dropped off from where? You know, maybe someplace like this.

Or, you know, a lot of people think UFOs just are on Earth. But why are they here? where did they come from originally, right? Maybe some escaped from such a place. So you have some people that are, some entities that aren't from here, but you also have another place. You know what I'm saying?

Like there is this, if there was a, like an exit from somewhere else, and some of them weren't originally from here, it would make sense based on some of the stories we hear. And it's advanced technology that you're talking about with science. And I don't know, I just think a lot of people think that all the creatures

just are in the earth and from the earth. And I think there seems to suggest, based on the stories we hear, they're from other places. I'm almost confused sometimes when they're here, or not originally from here. That makes sense. Yeah.

So this helps, like, makes sense. Still don't understand that, but gives context to some of those weird stories that we hear that they're like, I don't know. And there's something that, there's something that we should understand when we approach the Old Testament. There's two ways to approach the Old Testament.

The first way is to approach it in its cultural context, which is the ancient Near East. So the Bible is written in the same, dare I say, esoteric tradition of many other ancient books, although what distinguishes the Bible is this is a message from God to man, inspired by the spirit of God and delivered through the ages to mankind. but it's still written in the same tradition.

And what do I mean by that? I mean that there's information that's conveyed in the Old Testament, especially in the prophetic content, that is apparent on the surface, and it seems to be talking about one thing, but beneath the surface, it's addressing something else. And we see this continually. You guys will be familiar with the allusion to Satan

in Ezekiel, where the prophet is referencing the king, of Tyre, in all scholars, almost all scholars will concede that the king of Tyre is an all all allusion to the dragon, to Satan, right? You were in Edom, you walked among the stones of fire, which I actually think are planets. So this is the way, I got ahead of myself. So if we want to understand a lot of the symbolism and the iconography, and this is for, this is, this is, a statement I can make with great confidence. If we want to understand the symbols in the Old Testament, the iconography, prophetic iconography, then we have to reference the ancient near East, because that's where those symbols come from. The symbols in the prophetic context and in the

Old Testament are not idiosyncratic to the ancient Hebrews. In other words, they don't originate with the ancient Hebrews. They pre-exist them. They come from Sumer. They come from Acadia. They come from Persia, they come from Babylon, they come from ancient Egypt. And so we have to return to the ancient Near East and familiarize ourselves with the symbols and their meaning and then interpret them in the Bible. Because the Bible is using that symbolism, not inventing it. A good example is a cherubim. Cherobeme, so many people who hear the word cherub or cherub, they as many people, presume

that cherubim are idiosyncratic of the ancient Hebrews. Like, they invented the cherubim. But as I'm sure most of us are familiar with, cherubim are all over the ancient Near East. They're in, most famously Babylon. Still to this day, you can see the cherubim painted in vivid color on some of the ruins from Babylon. They're in ancient Egypt,

and it's the same creature. The same creature, a composite of four animals. Of four creatures. A man, an eagle, a lion, and an ox. And it's always the same. It's a composite of these creatures, or a mix of several of them. But usually it's a composite of those four creatures.

And the Cherobiebim in the Bible are described either having four faces, the face of a man, the face of an eagle, the face of a lion, the face of an ox, or in a composite form, the head of a man, the four parts of a lion, the hind parts of an ox, and the wings of an eagle. These are the depictions of cherobene. So in order to understand what that cherubim represents, you look to the symbolism of the ancient ne'eris. you look to the meaning of the symbols in the cultures that predated the Hebrews. Okay, that's just an example.

That is reading the information and the prophecies, the iconography in their context, which is the ancient Near East. Then the other way to approach so much of what's in the Old Testament, not just in the prophecies, but mainly what's in the prophecies, is to understand the, the

cryptic messaging that's happening because you can't get away from that. It's happening. I mean, cryptic messaging, that's called one method of cryptic messaging is called a parable. Parable is a cryptic messaging

let's call it a platform where you create a story and that story is not supposed to be taken literally. You're supposed to derive the meaning from the story, right? So when you look at the Bible and you're studying something like Rehab or Eidom, and the reason why I'm saying this is because in order to talk about Eidom, we have to define this, you're going to see that a prophecy can pertain to the neighbors living in the vicinity of Israel, like Eidom, or the other Canaanite nations or Egypt or whatever. That's the surface level.

That's the contemporary understanding of what's happening. But there's a deeper level, just like with the King of Tyre. There was a King of Tyre. And everything written about the King of Tyre in Ezekiel did pertain to a King of Tyre. But it also pertained to a non-human entity who is much older and much more powerful than the King of Tyre. You follow me? Yeah. Okay. So that's how so much of the Old Testament, especially as it pertains to prophecy, is written. You have the cultural context for the deciphering of the symbolism, and then you have this dual layering of information that is simultaneously addressing things terrestrial and things extraterrestrial, things physical and things spiritual. So I had to preface this discussion about EDOM with that, because EDOM is one such case.

and I lied to you before. I'm going to read one more part of my book. All right, here we go. Because it's easier for me to read it and try and remember it. Just as Israel is another name for Jacob, the son of Isaac. So, Eidom is another name for

Esau, his twin brother. The Israelites were the descendants of Jacob and the Edomites, the descendants of Esau. Edom was the arch enemy of Israel. A peculiar contempt for the Edomites is manifest in the scriptures as they are the recipients of

more pronouncements of judgment than any other nation. In the same way that the nation of Israel was representative of the kingdom of heaven on earth, so Eidom was representative of its ancient extraterrestrial adversary. The contention between Israel and Eidom is an allegory of the war that raged and rages still between the kingdom and the insurgency. Indeed, Jacob is christened with the name Israel after physically contending with Yahweh at the fords of the river Jabok. The name Israel means Yahweh contends.

The name Edom means red. You might have an idea of what I think. You might have an idea of what I think Edom here is. And I cannot iconographic, who wrote this, an iconographic portrait of the adversary, an iconographic portrait of the adversary with whom Yahweh contends is presented to the Apostle John in the form. of a red dragon.

When the names and concepts they represent are combined Israel and Edom convey the cosmic conflict in which mankind is inescapably embroiled. Yahweh contends, and this Israel, with the red dragon. Now, what is Edam? So, Eidom, as I said there, is the recipient of more pronouncements of judgment than any other nation in the Bible. It is constantly cast as the arch enemy of Israel. Israel comes from Jacob. Edom comes from Esau. Edom means red. The land of Edom is a land of red soil, if you've ever seen it. It's a land of red. It is red. It's red soil. And does anybody remember what color Esau was

when he was born? Isn't that weird? Like the red spawn of Bigfoot. He came out, he came out, he came out, heary. Kind of. And pale. Not so much anymore. A few years ago, you're hairy, pale, and red. Very attractive. I don't know, I didn't say that actually.

I don't think that's, I think that's reading between the lines. It's in there. It's esoteric, very hidden, can't sell. The dual meaning is not. So, that's what we're here for. for it. You have this strange situation in which there's a lot, I won't go down the rabbit trail here, but there's this strange situation in which you have Jacob and Esau. Jacob's born just a regular dude. Issa is so hairy that Jacob goes and puts on the, he has a goat here

strapped to his forearm, goat here, so that when his father touches his arm, he thinks it's his son. Now, that's bizarre. I mean, animal. here is completely different than human here. Human hear saw. We're talking about course here. So there's something very different about Esau, and we don't have to go down that rabbit hole. But he's red. He's Herian red. So you have this theme, red, red, red, red, red, red dragon, red Esau, red edam. And then you have all of these pronouncements of judgment against Edom. And suddenly you find that the son of God is marching on a battlefield, of Edom, vanquishing the dragon, the red dragon. And in the midst of this, Rehab is obliterated.

So this is, I can't do this here because it's very complex. And by the way, much of this comes from Sidonia, the Secret Chronicles of Mars, David Flynn. Long story short, I believe that Edom is a reference to the planet Mars, the red planet. And that sounds arbitrary, but believe me, it's not. There are so many references to Mars. Even the Nephilim have a connection to Mars. And also, yeah, well, that's very complex. That takes us down to, that would take us into territory that would take a very hard. They are red, red-hound red hair. So, so. So the ancients believe, You're out of here.

The ancients believed in the hermetic tradition. By the way, hermeticism, does anyone want to guess where that comes from? Hermes. Hermann. Oh, man, I was wrong. Mount Hermon. That's the hermetic tradition is the tradition of the mystery schools. It's the occult.

It's Luciferianism. It's the knowledge of Hermann. That's where hermeticism comes from. And, of course, Hermann is, is where the watchers descended. Yeah. And so there's a connect. The ancients believed, and I won't go down this path very far

because it gets very complex. The ancients believed the ancient Egyptians, the ancient Mesopotamians, the Greeks, the Romans, that the gods descended or leapt to the earth from a very particular place. it wasn't just abstract they descended from heaven no they came to the earth and i say leapt because this is expressed in a ancient roman tradition a roman um what's sort i'm looking for a festival in which the priests of mars would dance around the city of roman leap and it was this

it was in commemoration of the gods who leapt to the earth from Mars. And you'll find that, again, in the ancient traditions, consistently, the gods are depicted as having come to the earth from the planet Mars. And the ancients believed, and let's frame this more specifically, the adepts of the mysteries, through the centuries, through the ages, believe that Mars holds secret knowledge for mankind and that when we go to Mars, it's going to unlock something. We're going to find something on Mars. We're going to discover something, and it's going to lead to the resurrection of the empire of the gods on Earth. This is what they believe.

Does anybody heard of a guy named Elon Musk? Someone's trying to go there. Yeah. It's trying to get there. So we are very close to going. And we've talked a little bit about me. Are you going to? Is it we?

Are you going to? Yeah, we're going. We're going for the show. Going on Mars? We're on the Mars. We're already on the Death Star. It's not going to be able to get there. I brought you there.

You know, there's similar talks about it's why we went to the moon. There's something there we needed to get. No. I think we've, I think if you go down that rabbit trail enough, there's something off. about the traditional conspiracy theories about the moon, but it seems as though my perspective is we kind of had to go there. You know, it starts out, oh, we didn't, it was faked and all that.

And then you kind of keep pondering, why are they fake in on this? But it seems maybe they, some knowledge there, something there, some part. Well, start. Here we go. I don't know that we want to open up the moon. A can of work. Well, you don't have to. I'm just saying, well, Tim, do you think like on that one?

that mode, do you think that like some of the things that we have discovered or photos or things about Mars and itself leads to a similar conclusion? Well, you'll recall that back in the late 90s, early 2000s, there was a gentleman named Richard Hoagland who was going around and he was lecturing and he wrote a book about the structures on Mars. You remember that? Yeah, I remember hearing about that. And what happened was there's a particular area on Mars, Sidonia. by the way the ancient Sidonians

were the what was called the Pelasgians who were a pre-adamic civilization who worshipped the gods who leapt from Mars who came from Mars they in the

post-flood world were the Sidonians and these were the Sidonians also worshipped the offspring of the gods, the Nephilim, the Sidonians became the Phoenicians. And so

when we say Sidonia, they were called Sidonians. Remember Sidon, Kingdom of Tyre? And Sidon, Sidon was a Sidonian was a Sidonian kingdom that was oftentimes in opposition

to Israel. And they were, they lived in Canaan on the on the on the on the on the on the ocean probably actually I think they live well some of it well was in up in Lebanon and a different place they've Biblos and Saidan and they had various kingdoms but anyway the point is that this the name Sidonia the Sidonians who were Canaanites are directly associated up I'm getting the phone call I should let that um just kept going I should let that ring or keep It was quite appropriate for this kind of, actually a range of things.

So the point is that there's a direct connection between the Sidonians and Sidonia on Mars. And if you recall, as I said, Richard Hoagland was going around talking about the face on Mars. You remember that? Yeah. There's the whole thing about the face on Mars and the pyramid on Mars and all that. And then NASA came out and debunk, tried to debunk the whole thing. The interesting thing is they came out because you had really blurry low as pictures. The face on Mars, the face on Mars, the pyramid on Mars, in the section of Mars called Cydonia,

in that area called Cydonia. And it's not coincidental that it's called Cydonia, that part of Mars. And you had all these artifacts on Mars, and then NASA comes out with kind of even more blurry pictures debunking it, saying, oh, no, no, this is natural formations. And I don't believe it for a second.

I think that Cydonia is a city on Mars in ruin, in the state of ruination. Wow. And that it is, and hear me when I say this, I'm hearing here in it. It is a objective, a major objective of the Luciferian elite, the mystery scholadeps, to go to Sidonia on Mars. And this is actually a big, this has been a goal of theirs for centuries. not indeed thousands of years and we're about to accomplish it we're very close to accomplishing it

and I think and as did David Flynn who passed away in 2012 by the way I believe that when we go to Sidonia on Mars it's going to unlock some of the events that are going to happen at the end of the age so anyway

Edom in my estimation is obviously the nation of Edom that was subjugated to Israel for a long time that the neighboring, the neighbor of Israel, yes, yes, Edom is that, but it's also something else. And I believe it's an illusion to the planet Mars. It's an illusion, Michael. So it's like refugees that made it here.

It's kind of what you're describing it. From Mars. Yeah. Well, again, according to the ancients, the gods leapt to the earth from Mars. And that would mean in the biblical context, specifically the book of Benak, that the watchers leapt to the earth from Mars. So it's like a very pragmatical way of thinking about it.

Well, it's the way that the mystery school adepts think about it. Yeah. Which is something we've talked about a lot of you on a show. It's trying to put like just more basic human terms that we can understand these concepts by. You know, like angels and humans were alike. And that's how this whole, you know, one of the major, problems in the Old Testament. You know, Seizer said that one of the three major problems.

I think a lot of Christians think about it and, you know, more of a Gnostic view instead of just maybe they're just, like you say, there are elder sibling, you know, very simple way of saying it, but a lot of Christians don't want to think about it like that. Well, it is a totally different worldview. When you think about, in very amorphous terms, angels descended from heaven. wherever that is, it's very different when you say, or the watchers descended from heaven, it's very different to say the watchers descend it from Mars. That's a totally different perspective, and it makes it real.

It's like, wait a minute, I can see that place with my telescope, right? And so, you know, to summarize, there's a lot more, by the way. I talk a lot about Edom, Gitt's Sidonia, the Secret Chronicles of Mars, by David Flynn and you'll see there's a lot especially the way Flynn

documents it I I document some of it in my book Edom and how it references how I believe it references Mars Flynn does a it does a deep dive

on Edom and Mars and all the traditions of the ancient world that reference back to Mars and the Nephilim and the Nephilim and the watchers and it's really quite remarkable. It really is.

Would this kind of explain some more of the nefarious things that NASA's up to to try to keep this knowledge sort of hidden? Because oftentimes people will say, you know, they're up to, like NASA's lying, but I would be like, you know, it seems like they're trying to cover up stuff more than they're lying, you know? Well, so here, there's sort of, I'm glad you brought that up because there's a little bit of clarifying I have to do here. So people listen to me regularly know that I believe we did go to the moon. And in fact, there's proof, actually, that we went to the moon. What's the proof?

You can actually, if you have a powerful enough telescope, like a really powerful one, you can see the tracks of the rover on the moon. Number one, we also put mirrors up there. And we bounce lasers off the mirrors on the moon, and we've been able to measure that it's moving away from the earth. like I don't know what it is 0.25 inches or 0.5 inches every year because the mirrors on on the surface of the moon were bouncing a laser off of them that we put up there. But like I said, you can also see that if you have the powerful, powerful, like university level telescope, you can see the tracks. Okay, but it don't disappear because there's no wind.

So there's two things happening here in my mind. There's what's happening in the public space, and there's what's happening in behind the scenes, let's say. The moon, this applies for the moon as well. But as it pertains to Mars, I think we are already there. Honestly, I personally think we're already on Mars. I think that there's a secret space program that we went to Mars probably a decade ago.

We have established underground bases there. And there's a lot of reasons why I believe this, when we have five minutes left, but there's a lot of reasons why. right at the end. That's a cliffane. And so there's, but that's not the public revelation of Mars. The public

revelation of Mars is the spaceship, SpaceX and what we're getting ready to do. And I think that there will be a public revelation of something extraordinary when we go to Mars. Namely, that somebody was there a long, long

time ago. Well, so I have a question. I'm sure some of you guys are thinking this. And we pondered this. And we pondered, question with everyone for four years and could Bigfoot? I was just about to say what are my friends on Bigfoot? I knew that question was going to Prey have you know you know could he come from one of these places it is very possible that that's one of the things that certainly one of the ideas that I have about Bigfoot is that God we're into Bigfoot with four minutes left. We got time actually we're ahead of schedule okay well one of yeah one of the one of the

postulations that I find to be quite plausible is that Bigfoot is not native to planet Earth. That's a possibility. There are other possibilities as well. But one of them certainly is that Bigfoot is not from here. Yeah, I mean, we hear that a lot. You know, and people will have testimony. Some people say they talk to these things, and that's kind of a, I don't know. I mean, you kind of have to piece it all together, right?

When you do a podcast like this, I think what you're, saying too is like you start out with these ideas oh yeah the you fake the moon landing but you like i said you ponder the big foot you ponder the these ideas for long enough and you're like that kind of is an easy answer right and i don't it doesn't have to be a there hasn't have to be like a difficult explanation but a lot of times easy answers you hear more stories oversimplifications yeah yeah so and that's an oversimplification because if you say did we fake the moon landing my answer would be yes and then if you asked me, did we go to the moon? My answer would be yes. Yeah. It's a both

and because we had to fake some of the footage. There's two reasons why we would fake the footage. Number one, in case the mission failed, we wanted the Russians to think it succeeded no matter what. And then number two, and this was the unexpected part, if you find stuff, you can't film. Sure. Well, people always go back to the interview

that astronauts after their return. And just how odd and weird that was. Well, I saw another podcast for another time. It's a great point because, you know, those astronauts, I was sure to get the third guy's name. Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong. Neil Armstrong.

What's the third one? Jimmy? I don't remember. Michael Colton. Michael Bolton. He was up there. Michael Bowden. So Armstrong, Aldrin, and Bolton when they came back.

That's a famous song of his. All of them. Me too. I'm the same way. Well, they were very crestfallen. at that conference. And I had a friend, and I shouldn't mention his name, who you guys know now, who whose cousin, I've said this on your show, whose cousin worked on the lunar lander, and he worked on the landing gear, and he was interfacing with the astronauts all the time.

And when they got back, they briefed him on what happened. And according to this very reputable guy's cousin, they, I almost want to say the name, but I can't, I can't do it. They don't have permission. But he was told that they went to the moon and they made the most amazing discovery in the history of the human species on planet Earth. Two things. They found wreckage, ancient wreckage on the moon. and it was advanced technology,

but it was in the state of ruination on the moon. That's the first thing. Like the second thing? Like a spacecraft on the moon. Not a new crash. You know that. Yeah, like an ancient wreckage. And the second thing they found,

and the second thing that happened was they were being observed the entire time by saucers. So they had all this footage. And if you're up there, you've got ancient wreckage. Yeah. What do you even aim that camera at? The wreckage. You're not going to aim it at some guy jumping around on the moon. You're riding a buggy.

You're going to aim it at that wreckage. You're going to be hearing in your air document every detail. So when they come back with the footage, what are they got? Or the simultaneous broadcasts, what are they got? They're not going to show the wild ancient wreckage. So they had canned footage. Ready to go. And that was filmed in a studio, some of it.

and the other component of this is they come back to the earth, these guys, with the greatest story ever, and they're told never a word. Never a word about it. And this bothered, it bothered Armstrong, especially for the rest of his life, that they could not disclose what they had discovered.

They were told, and they didn't like it. They thought the world should know. They were very upset about it. it. So now go back to that picture of those three guys sitting there at that press conference. They're pissed off. They're not allowed to say they're not allowed to tell the world what they discovered on the moon. They have to pretend like that didn't happen. So you see it's very there are a lot more options than we didn't go a lot more interesting.

It's going to go a lot of places. Yeah, I mean. One of those telescopes. Can I get one of those on Black Friday? Yeah. When I can see the stuff on the moon. Whoa, you almost can at this point. I mean, we'll go have these.

I've said this 100 times. You can get a telescope and you can get a telescope and see the moons of Jupiter. Yeah. So. I get a castle Albarino and I'll come up there and use it every once in a while. Yeah. We'll do that. We'll do that in Costa Rica.

About. All right. No. No? All right. Fine. I will. I love this. I mean, we got to cover Tim.

So it's, we've become great friends. And I, and you know, like everyone who's down the stage, we, we so appreciate your contributions to. Yeah. The Lordy creatures. I mean, beyond that, like, our friendship and we're doing things together, books and trips. But I know a lot of folks out here feel the same way. Like, it, there's something very unique about the way that you see the world and interpret the scripture and also to, and also to. some of these questions.

And I always like to listen, I always like your point of view because I think as Nate says, it's always pragmatic. It's like I want to make sense of this in a very practical way. At the same time, we're on the Death Star talking about the intergalactic war, so I think it's very appropriate. Oh yeah. And we chose this topic before I realized that we didn't even tell Star Wars deal. Could have been a part of it.

The real thing yesterday, though, is like all the, all the conversations sort of work together. And we didn't find that either. We didn't plan that either. No, we did. It's kind of funny how that happens. But I like these conversations because I've always felt like in the garden, it seemed like there was an older relationship there.

Like they had known each other, known of each other for a long, you know, it just didn't seem like that was the beginning. And I think that. That's a good point, yeah. And a lot of these people that write these books and obviously the ancient aliens narrative is growing in popularity, you know, and people don't. really have, there's not many people who bring the Bible into that conversation. Well, I always say the prevalence of ancient aliens is biblical.

Sure. Mankind has been in contact with advanced extraterrestrial. But people are, since the beginning. They're saying all these things you're talking about, but they're just not including the Son of God and in it. Well, and I think also some of these terms have been hijacked, right? We've talked about the definition of extraterrestrial just means not of Earth. So by definition, what we call angels, not be of Earth.

They're not Earth-born. They are of the heavens, right? So sometimes it's just these hijacked semantics that people are very uncomfortable with, right? Like extra treaseless, it doesn't mean some of the things that may conjure up, right? It actually just by definition. It defines an angel.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I just looked at the screen that says, going to go to Yoda when you banter. What the heck does that mean? What have I been missing all right here? So we were talking about prophecy. I'm trying to think about what you're saying. How am I supposed to concentrate?

What are we bantering about? Let's go to Yoda.