Blurry Creatures - EP: 330 The Lost City of Z with Timothy Alberino *LIVE

Episode Date: June 3, 2025

Join us as explorer and author Tim Alberino returns to Blurry Creatures for an enthralling journey into the enigmatic realms of Peru. From the mist-shrouded jungles hiding the legendary City of Z to ancient tales of towering giants whispered among indigenous tribes, Tim delves deep into the mysteries that have captivated adventurers for centuries. We also examine the controversial discovery of three-fingered mummies near Nazca—artifacts that some claim could reveal secrets about non-human intelligences in Earth's distant past. Are these findings mere fabrications, or do they challenge our understanding of history? Experience Blurry Creatures live by becoming a member! We host quarterly in-studio events, offering fans an opportunity to engage directly with the content and creators. Membership details and exclusive content are available at blurrycreatures.com/members. Next Event: https://www.eventcreate.com/e/blurry-live-in-studio-july26 - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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long ago blurry creatures started in a basement and we have progressed to a full set basement and the cool part about this podcast is you guys out there listening have taken it from just this hobby that we started literally in the basement to a full on production studio and the cool part about what we're doing now is having fans in quarterly we had 25 fans in last week and we do have a studio audience no laugh track required but they did laugh Luke They don't always laugh It's good to see

It's a good testing ground for our jokes, Nate But you actually were in a basement I was not I was not, but this And people are always shocked That we're not actually in a basement Even though it looks that way Yeah, exactly

But this is a cool part of what we do with the show We had Tim Albarino Who's been on the show many times He came on early in the show And he came in We hung out, signed autographs, laughed, asked questions It was a really good time

With you guys And some of the more Hardcore fans of the show Yeah We had to have dinner with a few of the fans as well. So that's something we're going to start doing. If you want to have dinner with us and our guest. If you want to, but everyone gets to come in here,

everybody has to mill around, take photos. You know, we have refreshments. It's a great time. And then with Tim, this time, we have a brand new topic. Tim is fresh back from the Peruvian Amazon where he was out there with Mike Sernovich shooting a documentary. And he is on the trail of a Lost City. There's a book called, and a movie called La City of Z.

Yeah. Actually follows the intrepid journeys of Percy Fawcett, who was an explorer. looking for a lost city and Tim thinks he may have found he's going to share all that with us along with his hands-on of examining the NASCAR mummies, the three-fingered, three-toed mummies of Peru. That's right. And we talked about that, so this is a little more in death. So there's supposedly a lost city of giants in Peru. So we're going to get into that one. If you want to get a ticket to our live studio audience, become a member. Members get first try at that. So let's get Tim on this one and enjoy.

The history of our earth is so different from what we can imagine. The Smithsonian, that if they found out about a large skeleton somewhere, was to go get it. I'm going to assume at least one person is right, because if one person's right, it bust the paradigm. It all goes back to the fallen chair. And the problem with the modern day church, they have a very truncated view of the supernatural. This backdrop that's just pregnant with all kinds of meaning, associated with this Mount Hermon event. And this guy defects from the kingdom.

That's a big deal. That guy sounds really intelligent. It's a big deal. How are you guys doing? Let's go. It's good to be here and in the studio and live. Having a good time. How many guys were born in the 80s?

Look at that. How we just went to high school in the 80s? There we go. Now we're talking. Yeah. Anyone own a trans Am. I'm going to be dropped out of high school. Yeah.

All right. Well, welcome to the glory basement. Stay in school, kids. So you want to be Timothy Albarina. I think it's like, you know, we're having a good time. But thanks for coming to the into the studio hanging out with us. We spent a long time building this thing. Some people still think it is actually in one of our basements.

Maybe someone said that recently, though. I thought you guys were really in a basement, like at Nate's house. That's how good it looks. If they would like that. Yeah. Come down in his underwear. Yeah. It would be easier.

That's for sure. Play some epic games of Crossfire before we interview Tim Almerino. Remember those days? Yeah. Let's do it. No, thank you guys for being here. This is a second time. So we're kind of figuring out how to do this whole thing.

But it means a lot that you show up. This is support what we're doing. And yeah, we're grateful. It was fun to spend some time with you guys. you guys that came to dinner, just hearing about how you, you know, how you engage the show and found the show. And I think it still blows me away personally. I know Nate feels the same way that that folks listen and show up and that we get to do this. We get to do this with our, with our friend Timothy Albarino who graciously is here.

I was here last time too. Yeah, you were. You were just somehow. You were lurking in the shadows. Managed me in town. But yeah, I know, like Luke said, you know, this is how we can put on this. have this studio and it takes a lot of people to make this the show happen now as as the old days are a little easier we're actually in the basement so we kept it real we kept it in the

basement so I guess welcome back to blurry creatures um Tim I know you've you've been on the show since the early days I think episode 19 was our first interview with you and we didn't know where you didn't know where you were going to take blurry but we've done some trips together and um a book a book we're excited excited for all the, you know, future ideas that we have that we're going to, I know we're going to roll out more, but, um, it went to Peru. Yeah. We made a song too. We did. Nate and I got horrible diarrhea in Peru together with you, Tim. That was all so exciting. Yeah. You didn't have anything to do with me. Don't eat. It might have. Don't eat the sabiche. I told her. I mean, who eats sabiche up in the Andes mountains? Terrible idea at the time, you know. I told everybody, you don't, you only eat, you only eat, you. raw fish near the ocean.

Yeah. Not at Machia Beach. Not the highest point on planet Earth. Just felt right. Yeah. Then it felt wrong. But it's been a long, you know, journey. We've done many podcasts together over the years.

And obviously, we've talked about everything. Any updated thoughts on Bigfoot? Updated thoughts on Bigfoot. We did a deep dive. We haven't asked you that several years. I'm actually tracking with a couple of Bigfoot cases that are very compelling. live ongoing Bigfoot encounters, multiple witnesses. Really?

Yeah, in two different states. Montana and West Virginia. And? I love that you're secretly tracking these. Well, I'm... Maybe not secretly. I haven't heard of it. I'm very intrigued.

Both of the cases, as I said, are... The individuals involved are having frequent encounters. One of the cases, the one in Montana, there's four witnesses, four different, you know, four different witnesses who've seen the creature at different times. Actually, there's two on this property. Wow. They've got the footprints. They've got any weird stuff.

Any woo-woo? Missing time. Oh. Some missing time involved. The other one, the other one, there's some pretty interesting photographs associated with it. But in both cases, they have the footprints, photographs of the footprints. that one of them has some hair samples. So I'm going to be following up on those this summer.

That's right. Don't love that you're doing that. That's amazing. But my thoughts on Bigfoot haven't, I guess they really haven't evolved very much. I read Jeff Meldrum's book, Sasquatch, We're Legend meets Science. You like it?

Excellent book. I think he makes a very strong case. for a gigantopithecus type ape. Reminant's ape. Yeah, remnant ape, bipedal. I tend to think that some of the more metaphysical stuff surrounding the Bigfoot has to do with the Bigfoot's ability to control our perception, manipulate our perception.

Sort of like a cloaking device. He can pause the VCR. Yeah. All right. And change the tape. Yeah. Wow, we're just standing there. Exactly.

Okay. So that's my suspicion. And I share that suspicion with some interesting people I've talked to. One being Eric Bard, who's the chief researcher at Skinwalker Ranch. He thinks that some of these phenomena are able to manipulate our perception. How do they do that in theory? Well, it's like a. telepathic control, telepathic communication. They can project things into our minds. They can

project thoughts into our minds, imagery into our minds. So that's a very useful mechanism if you want to stay hidden from people so that they don't follow you. Like if it's in this one case, this guy saw a big foot face to face and it communicated with him telepathically and then it turned around and started walking away and disappeared, which is common. seems to be rather common with Bigfoot. Sometimes it feels like when you get that phone bill, it's like the crash site document. You can't read it.

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Like it ate a vat of a bare fat off of his porch and then left fingerprints and handprints all over the place. Yeah. What do you think the why is? The why of what? Why manipulate our... To stay clandestine, to stay concealed. They can control...

If you can control our... If you can control someone's perception of an event, then you can come and go as you please. I mean, as long as you can engage with that person, make that connection, telepathic connection, whatever you would call it, and implant a thought or a visualization, then you don't have to be constantly hiding and trying to stay out of the sight of, if you live in proximity, for example, to someone's property. If you're a big foot and you live in proximity

to someone's property, you don't have to constantly be evading that person. You just have to continually manipulate their perception, which that sounds crazy, but it's actually, as I said,

it's the opinion of myself and a number of notable people that I've interacted with. That feels very in line for a lot of other conversations we've had about when people see UFOs, they tend to disappear.

Is there a similar, like, connection between their abilities and our perceptions because it's kind of like the easy button is saying oh it's interdimensional it's interdimensional but maybe that's just in I think it's happening in our physical world but because it phases out we say things like interdimensional because it just phased out of our reality or perception yeah I mean interdimensional that's no one's ever seen an additional dimension nobody has any idea what that would look like I mean, there's theories, but that's one of those words that's used so often.

It has the quality of a word that's used so often and so broadly that it doesn't really mean anything specifically. You understand what I'm saying? Like the word supernatural. It's used so broadly that it doesn't actually mean anything. It doesn't have any explanatory power of the word because it's just used to very liberally to describe any number of, any number of occurrences that can't be explained. So I think that in the same way, the word interdimensional, people say, well, Bigfoot is interdimensional or aliens are interdimensional.

Well, I suppose that's possible, but the problem is we have no proof that there's another dimension. We really don't. I mean, we know we can directly perceive the three spatial dimensions in the fourth time. We can theorize that there's other dimensions, and we wouldn't even know what that looks like. interaction between dimensions would look like, what it would really look like to go from one of these theoretical dimensions to another. So I'm just much more cautious with that terminology. If you're the guess, why would Bigfoot want to stay hidden other than like sort of the natural answer? He's like a, he's an animal or he's she is an animal. Patty's a she.

That's the real mystery. I mean, well, other animals stay hidden. I mean, there's a lot of creatures that... But they use what we may be called more conventional, like, things. Like, they camouflage. They do really, you know, snow leopards and chameleons and... But this seems a little different. Yeah, because, you know, animals, they stay hidden because they... It's instinctual.

They perceive that there's a danger. Right. We pose some kind of a danger, so they stay hidden. But these creatures, the... The Sasquatch seems to be much more intelligent than any animal that we know of. And so their reasons for staying hidden might be more interesting. Yeah, I think they are.

Yeah, it's not. This is not a Bigfoot episode, everyone, either. This is just, I don't think they. I just like, I like picking your brain on this because I think it's. Yeah, I'm constantly actually reading, studying Bigfoot stuff. I know you are. The last year we've been talking about this, like just sort of, you've been like, I'm into this.

I'm kind of looking around. Yeah. Talking to Melbourne, talking to Melbourne catch him. Yeah. We'll leave that there. Sometimes we get a little off-air banter going. Yeah, no, I've talked to. I've actually, yeah, I've interfaced a lot of people in Bigfoot space.

Yeah. I'm going to have David Politis with me in Montana soon. David is one of the things he's going to talk about is Sasquot. Well, the beautiful part about blurry is you get a little ADD for a topic. You can move on to another one. And I'm sure it's like hard to just stay in one rabbit hole all the time. And sometimes Bigfoot talking about someone with who know. as an experience. It's fun.

You know, I was asked, I was on a Sean Ryan show a couple days ago. And they asked me, they do a pre-show for their members community, and it's one of Sean's producers. And they have a series of questions, and he asked me a really, really good question. It caught me off guard. He said, what? If you could, if you could know the answer to any conspiratorial thing, what would it be? One, one conspiracy that you would, you would love to get clarity on definitive proof or answers about

I just sit there for a long time because that's a really good question because there's so many things that you know but but but but so many of the conspiracies that people things that people would label as conspiracies I'm already totally

persuaded that that they're true I don't really need any more evidence of gray aliens I'm 100% confidence confident that gray aliens exist they don't need evidence of giant to convince me that they're I'm already thoroughly persuaded that giants exist so it was hard I was sitting there for a minute and I thought Bigfoot yeah that's the one it really is

that's the one you get the Sasquatch award yeah all right we got one yes yes it worked that was that was there he is the first and only Sasquatch award yeah exactly you get to have the flare on your desk for the rest of the I'm taking it home oh you can't you could do that we'll have to have another one. We'll get it back. But I think with all these things that the reason we started with Bigfoot on the show is because there's a lot of data and there's a lot of sightings. And it's not just, you know, we're just sitting in the conspiracy space. There's actually raw data.

And I think that a lot of what you do is you have these conversations that sort of no one else really likes to have. But you try to go for the data. You try to actually get to the places. And you've been to Peru recently. and you're trying to just rediscover some of these places that have been lost. We went to Peru with you, obviously, and looked at some of the megaliths, and they're incredible. I mean, you get there and you see them, you understand. So you've actually gone out.

You don't just have weird conversations. You want to see it for yourself. So if someone emails you and says, I have this thing happening on my property, you're going to want to go. I like the data. I think that's a big part of what we do on our show. Yeah, I'm invested. I like to refer to myself as an investigative researcher. Because I do like to go out and actually explore and investigate situations on the ground.

Like a modern day Indiana Jones. No, I don't think so. I like to think of it. I like to think of myself as Crocodile Dundee. You call that a knife. This is a knife. Yeah. You ever see the movie The Ghost in the Darkness?

Yes. dude, that. Honestly, it's terrifying. So when I was a kid, I went through an India, as all kids do, I went through an Indiana Jones phase.

And in fact, I was learning, I was teaching myself. Did you ever get out of that phase? I think I have. Have I? I feel like you have to put a chaw, big league chew in your mouth when you say that, though.

I went through the Indiana Jones phase where I was teaching myself hieroglyphics, and I was writing my name in school in hieroglyphics. I wanted to be an archaeologist. for a while until I realized how boring that job is. Sorry for those of you who are. Well, no, actually I talked to an archaeologist today who she was going diving and stuff.

Yeah, that's awesome. But a lot of the archaeologists that I like deal with in Peru and stuff, they really don't like their job very much because they're, well, they're on boring assignments. So I guess it depends on what you're looking for as an archaeologist. But I wanted to be Indiana Jones for a period of time and then Crocodile Dundee. And then, as I got older. Borat?

Yes. That's where I landed. Nice. Then as I got older, I remember watching the ghost in the darkness. Dude, yes. With my dad. And I forget when that came out, like 1990 something. Six maybe.

That movie's terrified. I forget how old. I was probably early teens. And then that movie probably impacted me more than any other. I wanted to be like an explorer at that point. Eating by lions, by rogue lions. Sure. Sasquash eaten by a Sasquatch.

I think we need more data in this space, though, because a lot of these topics stay controversial, even big names. I know sometimes you go on podcasts and they're like, no, I don't know about that. But I think that some of the things that are happening in these paranormal spaces are nefarious and are evil. And you need somebody to kind of help blow the whistle and get people, okay, what's going on here? What are these things doing? And I think for me, that was the catalyst to start thinking there could be a podcast around sort of the paranormal Bigfoot stuff. And there's like this theological thread.

So without like work like David Politis's stuff, I don't think Blurry would have become a podcast because it felt like this isn't just fun sitting around the water cooler talking about alien stories. You want to know, you want to talk to people. And people probably email you all the time saying, I'm an amicty. I've been mess with this stuff. Yes. I've seen these things. Yeah. And it's like, you're like, like.

It's interesting because because I'm, I'm not really pigeonholed into any one topic. I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, have broad interests. And so I get, in one day I'll get people emailing me about abduction related content, people emailing me about Bigfoot, people emailing me pictures of or whatever. Yeah. Stuff related to demon possession. I kind of get the whole gamut in my giants in my inbox. And it's, and I'm constantly finding myself always juggling these different topics and.

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Terms and conditions apply. Need a hiring hero? This is a job for Indeed sponsored jobs. Switching back and forth, like I was just in D.C. recently with Congressman Eric Burleson. And we were talking about UAP related stuff. And that was really cool. I brought my son Blaze with me, my 15-year-old son Blaze. And it's just interesting standing there. Me as a high school dropout, mind you. standing there with congressmen talking about UAPs in the Congress building and, you know, in Capitol building. And it's just kind of surreal, you know.

And then last month I was in Peru, as you mentioned, I was in Peru last month, investigating megaliths. Yeah. New megaliths and also the tridactal, the three-fingered mummies. Naska beings. They're actually, they call them the tridactal beings of NASCAR or the Naska tridacta. But this is like stones you can touch. This is like, you know, petrified skeletons you can look at.

It's like data. It's not just sitting around speculating. Yeah. You like to see the stuff. Right. So, yeah, because I was actually, I guess we just dive into that, I was actually invited to go down to Peru by Dr. Roger Zuniga, who is a professor. I believe, I believe, of anthropology.

in Peru, but he's ahead of the project studying the tridactal NASCA beings, the NASCA tridactal beings. And he, these, I should back up, this, he works for the University of Eka. University of Eka is in the desert of Peru. And these tridactal mummies were discovered. I called them mummies, let me, let me say this right up front. They're not actually mummies. I don't know if you guys have seen these things, the three-fingered alien mummies from Peru.

They've been around for about 10 years. They've recently garnered a lot more attention. There they are on the screen there. Those are the small ones. Yeah, we had Josh on. Those are the small ones. I don't know if you guys have a picture of the larger ones. Type in Maria.

Maria NASCAR. There she is. Up there right on the top. Yeah. That's Maria. So these things have been around. for about 10 years and again I was invited by the professor who's overseeing them with the who's they have four of these specimens in the at the University of Ica

Professor Zuniga is is in charge of the project that's he's heading the project to study them there and so that's one of the things I wanted to do while I was in Peru was go down there and visit Professor Zuniga go to the University of Ika look at these mummies I was going to say that they're not actually mummies. They're technically they're called desiccated corpses. And they're not mummified. They're not wrapped in anything.

But you can see that they're covered in a white powdery substance. That's fossilized algae. And they apply that. This is a process of desiccation that they use in Peru. They apply that to the skin after the individual dies. And it sucks out all of the all of the. all of the moisture and they get preserved this way

and these mummies were discovered north of the city of NASCA in the general vicinity of the NASCA lines and this is a very, very dry area of Peru. In fact it's one of the driest places on planet Earth. So

you have extremely well preserved were these like in caves? I'm not going to go through the whole story here because now we want to talk about the lost city of Z but it's a long and convoluted story. The mommies allegedly were found in caves. I know that's not true.

That's a cover story. I'm friends with the individual who's at the beginning of the story. The story actually begins with him. His name is Terijamin. And he's a French explorer, researcher and explorer, who lives in Peru. He lives in Kusko. and he has an organization called the Incadi Institute based in Kusko.

And Terijamin is a serious explorer. His objective is to, he wants to discover Paititi, which is a legendary lost city of the Inca. And this has been his mission for years. And in his pursuit of Paititi, he's made some critical discoveries. He's discovered some very interesting things, including at Machu Picchu. So in 2015, I'll summarize very, very briefly here. As I said, it's a very convoluted saga. It's going to be difficult to summarize, but I'll give the old college try.

In 2015, mummies were discovered by some of them, the initial ones, were discovered by a group of Guackeros. Wacheros are grave robbers in Peru, in the general vicinity of the Naskolines. This group contacted Terry and the Inkari Institute. Theri was able to analyze some of these mummies, and I should describe what they're like. Some of them are the first, the initial ones that were discovered are small, about two feet tall, but thereabouts. There's a bunch of different mummies, okay?

So you have small ones that they call these the reptilians or the reptids, Reptids or something like that. And they think that they're reptilian because they have scales. You can see their skin is preserved. And it appears to be scales, like on a snake or a reptile or lizard. That's a larger one. But the smaller ones, also some of them have eggs, apparently. And they all, they're all tridactyl.

They all have three fingers. Okay. So this one here, this one is called Maria. and they call her Maria slash Mario now because originally they thought it was a female and now they're not sure. So... Side of the times.

So this specimen is... Obviously, it's tridactal, three fingers, three toes. And you can't see it in this, from this angle, but she has any elongated skull. Yeah.

And her, the orbital sockets are obviously very large and she's got a very small nose. But she has, she has puckered lips. That's interesting. And I'll tell you why in a minute. Lip filler? Yep, that's a Botox. That's proof of ancient Botox. Ancient Botox.

So there's other, there's other anomalies, anatomical anomalies, but understand that there's about 15 mummies that are publicly known right now. now. 15. And some of them are small. Some of them are large like Maria. And the way that the Incari Institute classifies these mummies, because most of them have gone through the Incari Institute, the Incari Institute donated four of them to the University of Ica. That's where Maria is currently. That's where I saw this. We're going to call it, we're going to call them mummies for the sake of not having to say desiccated bodies a thousand times or desiccated corpses. That's where I saw Maria was at the University of Ica.

And they have some smaller specimens there too. But the Incari Institute has classified three kinds of mummies. The reptilians, the, then they have one that they call the insectoids, because it seems to have like wings and then they have

what they call the hybrids and these ones they would classify as the hybrids so what they think this is all very complex it's very difficult to truncate all of this information what they think is that the small ones

were hybridized with human beings there's a picture of the small one small ones are hybridized with human beings and it produced the larger ones like Maria. Now I don't think that myself. I'm not, I'm not persuaded that that's true.

So. Steven Spielberg. You know what else? Turned white when he got sick. Well, no, no, it's even more familiar than that. Remember the movie? What was the movie were they? E.T.

No, no. There's another one by Spielberg. Does anyone know what was called? What? Those encounters? I think, I think, and they look just like that. Right? So I'll cut to the chase here because this is going to take forever to get through.

I don't think that the small ones were ever-living-breathing creatures. I think those might be ancient artifacts, maybe. They could be hoaxes, but if they're real, in the sense that, and they are biological, by the way, there's been testing done on these things, extensive tests, scientific tests, including by teams from the United States. Very prestigious scientists have been involved in this. I think you guys interviewed Josh McDowell, his father, John McDowell is an award-winning forensic scientist.

Yeah. Like award-winning. I don't think there's a better forensic scientist out there than John McDowell. Yeah. And he's been... Yeah, he showed us like the fingerprints on these things. These things have fingerprints that go horizontally. So there's all kinds of things.

But I got to complete my thought here. So there's so much information. There's so much information about these things that I just want to go all over the place. what I want to say is I think that the little ones are, at best case scenario, are effigies or dolls made as fast similes of the larger ones. In other words, they were found in the tombs. Maybe they had ritualistic purposes with the larger ones and were created as fast similes. I don't personally believe the little ones were ever alive. And I was, it was interesting when I came home, I formulated that opinion in Peru looking at them. And when I came home,

I was kind of delighted to find that Dr. John McDowell actually came to the same conclusion. He actually, him and his team never, him and his team never investigated the small ones. They only had access to the large ones. And he said in an interview, he was not really interested in the small ones because just the cursory observation of their skeletal structure is enough to conclude that it wouldn't have worked. It wouldn't have worked. Like they could not have been functional living beings based just on their skeletal structure, whereas the large ones are very compelling. Okay, so one thing I can tell you guys for sure about these things,

and I'm sure Josh probably told you guys this as well, there's nothing fake in these mummies. There's no plastic. There's no epoxy. There's no glue. There's no metal wire. Nothing is stapled or fastened together in artificial ways. 100% biological material.

That is known without question. That is not in doubt. 100% biological material to all of them, the little ones and the large ones. So everyone who's analyzed these things, and we're talking, there's been American teams, Mexican teams, Japanese teams of scientists, they have all concluded conclusively,

and this is what they're willing to say officially, they have not discovered any evidence of a hoax. And that's the first thing. And the second thing, all of the material is biological. Okay. So CT scans have been done, x-rays have been done, dissections have been done. Genetic analysis, genetic analyses on the various species have been done.

The genetic analysis, generally speaking for these mummies, 30% human DNA. 30% human, 70% anomalous. But there's also, and this is getting back to the puckered lips of Maria right there, they've also discovered chimpanzee and bonobo DNA. So if this is a hoax, how would they, how in the world would they get their hands on chimpanzee and bonobo DNA in Peru? There are no chimpanzees and bonobo.

Oh, that's a good point. They've also been subjected to carbon dating. they are between approximately 1,000 to 1,500 years old, somewhere in there. Not that old. So what we can say definitively about these is that all biological material, nothing fake, no glue, no poxy, the skeletal structure of the large ones is it's, it gives you the, the impression when you're standing next to it like I was, that this thing was alive. The skeletal structure of the small ones, not so much.

The opposite, in fact. There's no way this thing was alive. That was my impression. Don't discount the little people. I am discounting the little people. So I think that the little ones are actually probably composites of different animals. That's my own opinion. I don't know if any scientists have concluded that.

You can see in this picture of the little one here on the chest. there's a metal implant and the metal on the chest and in some of the larger mummies there's a one particular one has an implant in forehead and I'll spend just a couple more minutes here

and then we'll move on because you guys already talked about this on your show the implant there on the chest there's a couple things about these implants that Dr. Roger Zuniga wanted really to emphasize to me number one the bone and the flesh

apparently have grown over the implant in all of the cases of implants. There's sinew, there's tissue that's grown over the implant. Well, the only way that happens is if whatever, whenever that implant was implanted, something was alive. It was alive, yeah. Now, whether that means that the tissue was alive and it was a different animal and then they dissected it or whatever, but it just means that the tissue was alive

when the implant was implanted. And then the second thing, and then the second thing. is that some of these metal implants, they have gold, silver, platinum, different metals, and they have osmium. Osmium is a very rare metal, and it doesn't have any use. It's a relatively new discovery. Osmium only goes back to like the late 1800s. And it's only used for, it only has one use ever.

It's only ever had one use, even today. It's only, it's the only opportunity. application of osmium is in communication devices. Well, that's weird. That's weird. So that's weird. So there's obviously a lot of mystery here. You can see the implant in the hand there too.

And there were large hands discovered, like really big ones, that would have belonged to nine foot tall, ten foot tall aliens, or whatever these are. And I was told that one of them had been proven to be a hoax, probably because it contained kind of epoxy or something. So this is a big mystery. It's super controversial. Like if you engage with people on X social media about these mummies,

you're going to get people who are diehard believers in them, and then you're going to get people who are convinced their hoaxes. And I'm somewhere in the middle. I do believe that the larger ones, I am more persuaded than not. let's put it in these terms, that the larger ones were living, breathing creatures. Hybrids?

Very possibly hybrids of some kind. And I'm going to say this one last thing. Two of the larger mommies, including one of them is called Montserrat, have fetuses. Yeah. Okay, Montserrat is pregnant. She's covering her womb. And I believe one of the Mexican doctors

who was on a team analyzing that particular. specimen, notice that the hands are covering the womb and suspected that she might be pregnant. And so they did the CT scan and sure enough pregnant, the fetus looks just like them. Longaded skull, large eyes, three fingers. Okay. So if these are hoaxes, these are the most intricate, sophisticated hoaxes ever perpetrated in the history of archaeology. Yeah.

There's no question about that. I have been told that some of the professors at the University of Eka told me. Now, I haven't been able to confirm this, that there are like hundreds of these things. Not just the 15 that are known or 16 that are known. There's actually like 150. That's what they told me. I couldn't believe it. I'm still not sure I do.

Well, Josh told us I remember in our interview that there are probably an untold amount also in private collections that they really can't account for. That's the problem is they've been in the, black market. Maria, I heard, rumor is that Maria was on the black market for a million dollars. So you have that, that's a problem because somebody has a obviously financial incentive here. Big time. I mean, if you're a walkieado living in Peru, you can make a million dollars making a fake mummy. You'll spend day at night for 10 years to make that mummy if it means you're going to get a

million dollars at the end of the day, no matter how difficult. You'll figure out how to do it in as convincing ways possible. The fetus is interesting too, Tim, because then you're not looking at body modification either, right? You're having, like, sort of in a, in theory, you're having, like, a natural species. Yeah. Species. But you're talking about a third world country. How can you, it's not easy to pull off a hoax like that.

It's not easy, although, you know, they do it all the time in Mexico and Peru. They, they hoax artifacts. And usually it has to do with aliens because of ancient aliens. Ancient aliens, the TV show, is the motivating factor here. It's created a market for this kind of artifacts. So you have to be really cautious. That's why I... Well, there's always a...

There's always like an explanation story of how anything's hoaxed in the Patterson Gimlin footage. Oh, there was a guy in a suit, right? But then you compare the two and they don't... Do you think there's some sort of like trying to red herring stuff, trying to get people off the trail? Yes. That's a good point.

And I said that I would wrap this up a long time. Yeah, I heard this before. Were we 38 minutes? I got a good transition. No, no, this is a good point, though. This is a good point, though, because there's so much data here. I mean, I've gone through the whole, and I'm making a video on my YouTube channel, going through the whole timeline of this thing.

There's just so much data about these things. The Ministry of Culture has tried to take the specimens that are in the University of Ica, forced entry, tried to seize them by force six times. Yeah. Six times. In 2023, when they made their last attempt, a couple of these things showed up in an airport. And they were, you know, diminutive figures. They looked like the little ones.

And they were dressed in traditional Andean garb, right? So they looked like dolls. The Ministry of Culture confiscated them, dissected them, and, and was very excited because it could finally go out to the public and say, we now have proof that these alien mommies are fake because the bones were held together

by epoxy, by glue. Because there was metal and plastic, whatever. There was non-biological material inside. And the whole world got the memo. This was a big news at the time

in 2023. Peruvian Naska mummies. or proven alien mummies proven to be a fraud based on the ones that were confiscated in the airport. But what these news organizations didn't report is that the individual who was attempting to send via DHS,

the mummies to, I believe, to Mexico, admitted immediately that these were facsimiles, that these were just copies of the ones that were, had become famous, and he was just selling, models. So I think personally it's very possible at the Ministry of Culture orchestrated that whole thing to try and to try and dispel the interest in these mummies, to try and quell the interest in these in these mummies. But certainly those mummies, because if you go type

this in on Google right now, that's what you're going to get. You know, alien, mummies proven fake, Peru alien mummies proved to be fraud or whatever. Because of that incident. Yeah. But the guy who made the mummies already confess that. And that story always sticks way harder. That's right. Then the one that's like these are real. And I guess my transition question from all this is why Peru? Why is it always like in that part of the world? I thought you're going to have a better one. I'd be like, so if we go from Maria to Mario, this transition to this other thing in Peru. that would have been a good one that doesn't really do well on YouTube

YouTube flags that video really quickly but you know we went there and you're going down there looking for megaliths I mean it seems all connected right like there's just a bunch of bizarre stuff in that part of the world

Peru's the most mysterious place on planet Earth I'm convinced of it I mean that's why I'm always there there's always something new to investigate and I don't know why it just is and every time I go every time I go back down there

there's some new weird thing going on and I'm being contacted by somebody come look at something and it's I don't know I don't know why that is because it's not Ecuador and it's not Bolivia and it's not Brazil

although Brazil has a lot of interesting things it's always Peru now at McDonald's a McDonald's a McDonald's $2.50 so you can get your gym gains on or just get lunch for only 250 get more value on the under three dollar menu limit time only prices and participation may vary prices may be higher for delivery I don't know what to make of that yeah but you just went there and uh do you guys discover some stuff I mean so when we were in

Peru so that that was part of the the the objective was to go down meet with Dr. Rogers Zuniga look at those specimens and I've only just Scrash the surface on these things. I mean, you know, I'm making a video on my YouTube channel about it. But the other thing that we did, I already published a video about this on my YouTube channel. We went, looked at this megalithic site called Kapuli, which came to my attention through Wandering Wolf Productions, through Mike from Wandering Wolf Productions.

And these seemed, it seemed that there were new, new megalithic stones had been discovered in Peru, perhaps part of a quarry. And they looked really compelling. And the footage that Mike featured on his channel, and then also the original guy who went up, there was a Peruvian. He has a YouTube channel called Descubriending Lugares Impresonantes.

And his channel, He went up there a couple of times. And when he went up there, there was a handful of stones that were uncovered because they were in the jungle. And then when Mike went up there, there was a couple more. And then when I went up there, they had cleared out a whole big area. And there were even more. So I decided to go investigate. And I wanted to see this site for myself because this is a big claim.

I mean, these stones would rival some of the stones at Balbeck if they were actually. megaliths. Like in size? In size. Okay. Are they fit together more rectangle or round? They're not, so they're not fitted stones. They're just, they're just, maybe they're, maybe they were being quarried and they're just sitting there.

There's no stones fitted together or anything, but they're rectangular. And I went and actually, Mike Cernovich went with me and that was a, we had a film crew with us for a documentary they were filming. and Kapuli is located in, it's a rather remote village in Peru. It's in an area of Peru known as the Andean Amazon. The Andean Amazon is where the Andes Mountains meet the Amazon rainforest. This is a very mysterious part of Peru. This is the northern Andean Amazon. There's a lot of this area that's totally uncharted, unexplored.

it hasn't got the kind of attention that Machu Picchu and those kind of areas have have gotten and I lived in this part of Peru this is specifically where I lived for a long time been all over Peru but I lived in the Andi and Amazon northern Peru dreadlocked him huh breadlocked Tim lived there dreadlocked him did you know then that this place was weird did you know I figured it out yeah so I lived in you know terrapotamoa bomba then in the lower jungle Yudimaguas and Ikitos. That area, those four cities that I just named

is where I spent a lot of my time. And this site is outside of Mojabamba. And that's the Andes Mountains. It's like the foothills of the Andes there. I say foothills, but those are probably 10,000. Nine, 10,000 foot tall mountains there. But it's still jungle.

And they call it a high jungle in Peru. And I've always wondered if there were megaliths in the high jungle. But I've never seen evidence of megaliths in the high jungle. So when I saw Capulis, when I saw the images of Copauli, I was intrigued. I wanted to go see this. I have contacts. I have a lot of acquaintances and friends, especially in this part of Peru.

So I made contact with the village, and then we eventually made our way up to the village. The only way to get to that village, by the way, is to hike. There's no roads that go to it. There's an ancient path, and this is kind of important to the story here. I realized when I was walking on this path to get there, you have to hike 40 minutes up the mountain. That this was either an ink, this was either, see there it is there. That's either a, that road was either made by the Inca or a pre-Inca civilization. That's not just some random path in the woods.

And the villagers didn't make it. I confirm that with them. And it doesn't look very impressive now because it hasn't been well maintained. But I've been on the Inca, I've been on Inca roads. That's what they look like. And when you find an ancient road like this in Peru, it always leads to somewhere important. Always. They don't build these.

They didn't take the time and energy to make roads like this without connecting important locations with them. So you can see there there's a good example of this. And the second half of our trip when we went to Peru, obviously Machu Picchu is in a weird location. And then that one place we stopped and hiked up the side of the mountain into that cave. the portal cave. Yeah. I was looking at the picture of the day.

You and I standing in front the portal. Yeah, it's strange locations. It doesn't make sense to build. Nielta Iglesia. That road goes right by Capoli.

So there's the village of Capoli. There's a video playing for those listening. Yeah. So this is not my YouTube channel. People can see this video. And this is where those

megalithic stones are. So, long story short. I looked at the stone. I spent a long time surveying this site and you'll see some aerial footage of it. At first glance the stones appear to be very rectangular, but as you can see here, one, on closer inspection, they're really not. And one thing that was never, they're not really very straight is what I'm trying to say. They are rectangular, generally speaking, the shape, but they're not, you can see. They're not like, precisely cut. There are, there's no evidence of any cutting on these stones either. And, and also, if you look at the stones, there are some very interesting right angles. But if you look at the stones, if you stand on the stones, you look at them from above, you'll see that the fracturing is there's this vertical fracturing in the stone, goes almost all the way through the stone. And that's the way the stones are breaking. And you can actually see the pieces that have broken off. And so, I

I think they're just, long story short, this isn't that interesting to me anymore, this site, because it's inconclusive. You can say that somebody was there with crowbars or whatever, breaking off the pieces of the stone, just taking advantage of these natural fractures in the stone, and maybe harvesting them for some kind of a megalithic edifice. Problem is we have to find that edifice. If we find a megalithic complex incorporating these stones, then we know they're megaliths. But until we do, I think it's just as likely that they're natural.

That's not where the story ends. I was going to ask you about this because the Montana megaliths, this is another site close to where you live. Or it feels like when we've talked before, we haven't done an episode on this, but I guess familiar with that at all, there's this place in Montana where there's this wall that all people think could be megalithic.

And Tim is actually someone who has had, has been granted sort of exclusive access to go there and so I was actually going to bring this up but you kind of answer this thing that sometimes in nature you have

it looks that way you have things that that can break in ways that feel like it like it would mimic in some ways construction yes yeah most of the time when you find something interesting

like this it's probably natural it's it's the exception to the rule when you find something that's not natural that's cut And in regard to Sage Wall, I don't have an exclusive at SageWall, but I could have. Well, you were offered that.

I was offered. Yeah. Yeah. And I said no. And so the reason why I'm highlighting this is because I had a really good financial incentive to say that SageWall was a legitimate megalith. Right. More than anyone. Right.

Because you could have been like, hey, it's real. Let's take tours. I got the only bus going up there. I would have had the exclusive on the visits to Sagewall. But I'm not convinced that it's artificial. I think that it's most likely. I'm open to evidence emerging to change my mind. But I think in my opinion, I've been up there a few times.

It's most likely natural. I'm going up again, by the way. We're doing a VIP trip for my conference in June. And I'm taking 50 people to Sage Wall. And it's a beautiful site. it's really an amazing geological feature. But the blocks don't go all the way through the wall. Well, I mean, what are we looking at here?

If the blocks don't go all the way through the wall, then they're not blocks. Right. It's fissuring, right? Yeah. So unless somebody finds some really compelling evidence that sage wall is natural, is artificial. So for like the common man,

it's like wrinkles versus... That's right. scales. That's right. Yep. So, um, and I get a lot of hate online because, you know, people want it to be. I sold out. Yeah. Who I sold out to and how much money I was supposed to get. I haven't figured out yet. But I sold out. But you can get a VIP to pass now. To the tour. I mean, so, seven 99. Well, back to Peru then, like, there's a road. So Koppoli, that's Koppoli. Koppoli maybe could be a megalitha. A megalitha. Okay, maybe.

So that was my, my, my, my thought. Or could it be a blast site for something that got blown up, blown apart? No, can you talk about ruin and cataclysm? It looks like, it looks like, it looks like, it looks like the side of the mountain. It was blasted. Oh. No, this is Tim, this is Tim Sere. You said that like a lot of these dynasties empires got hit by massive cataclysm.

Oh, okay. Asteroids, like something hit it and blew it up. It could be. And, but if you look at the, If you look at the side of the mountain, you'll see that this rock face is jutting out and large rectangular pieces snapped off the side of it. Okay. Yeah.

However, this, and I know that the listeners can't see what we're looking at, but we are looking at now a very, very intriguing cascade. This is in the vicinity of Kapal-Lee. this is about once you hike back down into the other village that you can get to by a road which is 40 minute hike down and then this is 10 minutes down the road so it's in the vicinity of Kapoli and this is a tourist destination for the locals

but gringoes don't really go here because this is not a touristy part of Peru this is by the closest village is the village of Nueva Kahamaaka and nobody goes to Nueva Kahamaaka So this is called La Colca Cascade. And it's a very intriguing waterfall. I call it a cascade because the water really isn't falling for most of it.

It's sort of just sliding, cascading down the rock face. But look at the rock face. Yeah, it looks like a bottom of a pyramid or something. So that is those are not cut stones. Yeah, these are not cut stones. That may be right there. But these are not cut stones. This is even more impressive to some extent.

This is the bedrock, because you can see the bedrock of this mountain. If you go up into the jungle and you start clearing the jungle away, the bedrock is like, I'm not sure what kind of stone this is. It could be some kind of a slate. So it's layered. It's like sheets of stone naturally, the bedrock. You can see they're layered on top of each other, right? So I am persuaded that La Colca Cascade is an aqueduct.

That's an aqueduct that somebody made. Now, they didn't make it by adding blocks and creating this. No, in fact, quite the opposite. It appears to me that they removed layers of that stone. Because if you look to the left and to the right, you'll see the same stone but layered up higher. It appears to me that somebody

removed layers of the stone to create an aqueduct to channel the water. And then they created the pools to control the flow of the water and then they put like these keys which we were shown earlier. They're these stones

where you could fill the pools up and drain them. Well, that's very interesting. Because that's a mark, that right there is the signature of civilization. Yeah. So you have this road, You have this very important road, clearly a very important road, either made by the Inca or the Chachapoyas, and we'll talk about them in a couple minutes.

The Inca or the Chachia Poyas, likely the Chachia Poyas. And then you have this Colca Cascade, which I believe is an aqueduct. See the pool? There's two pools like that. Yeah. And again, to the left and to the right is the same bedrock, but higher up. So it looks like somebody removed layers. And you can kind of see where I'm standing right in front of me, how they're.

There's like, you can see how you can remove layers of the bedrock. Yeah. You can peel away layers of this bedrock. So are you saying there's like clues that you can keep going down, you're going to find something nearby? I'm getting there. Oh, right. So whereas Capul Lee was relatively unimpressive.

Yeah. Because it was inconclusive. Yeah. Right here I'm starting to think, okay, wait a minute. Wait a minute. This is interesting. I see the fingerprint of civilization here. I see an aqueduct.

So this started, this got me thinking, the road and an aqueduct, okay? If you have a road and you have an aqueduct, then you have a city somewhere out here. You have a city. This is in my head. A lost city, an ancient city. While I was returning back to our, while we were on our way back to our, actually when we got back to moya bamba we were staying in moya bama which is the provincial capital of this part of Peru my peruvian friend had sent me a picture of a discovery that was made previous to our arrival just about a week before we got there

and it was it was a discovery made by a professor who teaches at the university of san martin and in mojebamba and he discovered what appeared to be a cyclopean megalithic wall in that area. And when I saw that photo, not that one, that's me, but when I saw that photo, I was very intrigued. At first I wasn't that interested. And you can go back, you can pause the video there with the professor. At first when I was told about these ruins, said, hey, some ruins were discovered. ago it didn't really register with me because ruins are discovered all the time in Peru. They're usually not that remarkable.

When I saw the photo, I became very interested because I saw cyclopean megalithic walls, which I've never seen in this part of Peru. So I wanted to meet with a professor. I met with him. There he is the next day. I met with the professor. He happened to be up in Mojabamba. And he told me something really interesting.

How much more time do we have? An hour. Okay. He told me something really interesting. He is heading up a project there in this part of Peru with some other professors, some other professionals from the university, from various fields, archaeologists, and so forth. And initially their project was focused on finding the original establishment,

the original colony. What am I trying to say here? The ruins marking the original location, that's how I should say it, of the city of Moja Bama, because the city of Moja Bama is not in, we know it's not in the original place. The conquistadors came there and they established an outpost. That's the original, that's where the original location of Moja Bama was. And they're trying to, they were trying to find this location. That's their project.

But as they're out there in the high jungle looking for this location, they start to find other stuff. Namely, they've identified a corridor between the city of Chachapoyas, Mojabamba, and the lost city of Granfahaten. And Gran Fahaten, there's a map there, guys, that for the audience here, you can see where these three cities are located. Grand Pahaten, there it is, and I zoom in on it if you move forward, there we go. So Grand Pahaten, you see it in the southern portion of the map, that is a loss city that was discovered about, sometime I would say in the 60s, 70s or 80s,

I don't remember, somewhere in that window of time. It is a remarkable lost city. It looks like something straight out of Indiana Jones. We know that Grand Pahaten was built by the Chachapolias people. And Grand Pahaten is unique. It's interesting in that you are not allowed to go there without explicit permission from the Ministry of Culture. Not allowed to go there. That area is off limits.

To Peruvians and to tourists, you can't go there. You have to get the explicit permission from the Ministry of Culture. I know, I try. So, why? because it's it's the city was built by the chachapoyas people now there's there's something about the chachia poise people in peru quite the opposite there's something about the chachia poise people in peru quite the opposite there's something about the chachia poise people in peru that separates them from all the other indigenous tribes this is not as true today as it was 20 years ago 50 years ago and certainly 100 and 200 years

ago. But Chachapoya's people have these genetic anomalies. They have fair skin. They're unusually tall. And they have red and blonde hair and clear eyes. And according to legend, and full hearts. And according to legend, and some of them will tell you this, they were descended from the red hair giants who inhabited the cloud forest.

Peru. Chacha poyos is in the cloud forest. Now I don't know if you guys have ever heard me tell my story about the cloud forest or I heard that voice boom my name. I think I've told you that story. Yeah. Okay. That happened on the other side too that Chachapoyas that mark up there on the upper left hand to the left of Chachapoyas that that track of land is is uncharted cloud forest. There's no roads that go through it. I was on the other side in a town called Okai. and in Okaii this is where they were telling me about the cows being up in the trees

that farmers would mysteriously find their cows up in the trees and the villagers are telling me about the red-haired giants that lived in the cloud forest and they believe that the giants were putting the cows up in the trees and in fact the priest told me that

and then I have a whole other that story would take the rest of this time to tell but let's just say if you haven't heard it you should go go find it but that's that's the region of the cloud forest and so there's legends in peru that speak of that tell of the red-haired giants that you soon have at the cloud forest do you think that lost city is is the lost city of z yes that's where we're going percy flasset that's where we're going so

you had to pull the punchline already there oh man it's always reading ahead so so there's so there's a that's a corridor there that they have identified the professor and his team they've identified this corridor between cha chapepoise mojebamba and granpah tinn and they have found some very interesting ruins in that corridor including two gigantic stone tombs really and when he told me that the professor who i was professor uh is this easy to get to no you're hiking through the jungle yeah this is uncharted jungle with your lucky machete yes so um yeah that word says lost city there where it says lost city that is that is uncharted jungle so how do you i mean how do they get in there you'd have to just bushwhack your way into there now they haven't been now i'm that's just a

reference i don't know that point i just put that on there on the map because they found these two tombs they found some very interesting ruins they found the system of roads, including the one I was on in Kapoli. They know that Granpahaten is located at the south. They know Chachapoyas. These are three ancient Peruvian cities. Chachapoyas, Moabamba, and Granpahaten. And because of the network of the roads, because of the tombs and because of the ruins,

they know that there's a lost city somewhere in the middle. There has to be another city in the middle. Big, to giant tombs. So when he said that the tombs were gigantic stone tombs, I looked at him and I said, well, that's interesting because the Choshapoius have legends of giants, right here giants. And when I said that, he literally went like this. He just stared at me for a second. And he just sort of like, you could tell like, wait a minute.

How do you know that? Are these like the giant stone tombs in Sardinia, like those ones? I don't know. I don't know what shape they have. But he definitely, his whole countenance changed when I said that. And he just gave me this look like, I will neither confirm nor deny. Yeah.

So I know that the wheels are turning in his head because he knows who the Chachapoya saw. How did the story of the Lost City of Z originate? So now let's talk about the Lost City of Z. Percy Foss. So we think that there's a Lost City in there. By the way, this professor, Professor Soto, Abraham Soto, he has invited me to partner with him and his team.

He wants me to partner with him and his team. with him and his team. And I'm going to to try and find this lost city. So why this lost city is so intriguing to me is because I believe that this definitely was habitation of the Chachapoya's people. Okay? That whole area was habitation of the Chachapoyas people for sure. Now the Inca did conquer the Chachapoyas. They were the most indomitable tribe the Inca ever came up against, ever contended with. Chachapoyos, they were called the cloud warriors, the warriors of the cloud forest.

And when the Spaniards arrived in the 1530s, they encountered the Chachafoias, and they made a treaty with them. They signed a pact with them. Chachiafoyas joined the Spaniards against the Inca. Against the Inca. I think we talked about a little bit of this on our angels. But the point is it was back then,

when the Spaniards first encountered the Chache Poyas that they noted that these anatomical anomalies among the Chachapoya's people. Now, they were taller on average than the other natives. Now, they weren't like six foot tall. They were just taller than the other natives. They were like five, eight or something like that. Because the other natives were much.

They were like a foot taller than the other natives. Okay, that's interesting. They have fair skin. Some of them look like Europeans. Blue and green eyes. Red, blonde hair. So obviously there's something in the gene pool here that's different before the Spaniards arrived. Before.

Okay. So again, you talk to the Chachapolias people. They're going to say they're, some of them will say they're descended from the red hair giants of the cloud forest. So now let's talk about the Lost City of Z. So some of you are probably familiar with that, right? The Lost City of Z. That was a movie, right? A movie was made about it some, I don't know, 15 years ago.

I've read the book. Yeah, there's a book on it. The book is actually called Lost Cities, Lost Trails, Percy Fawcett. Yeah. Percy Fawcett was a early 20th century explorer. He was English. And he had this obsession. He believed that there was this lost, mysterious lost city somewhere in the Andy and Amazon.

Or somewhere in the Amazon, but not that. far from the Andes. So he was looking in the southern part of the Andean Amazon, namely Bolivia. He was down in Bolivia. And there's a long story there to Percy Fawcett. That guy's like your quintessential 19th century, or rather early 20th century explorer, right? So he's looking for this lost city, which he designates Z, because it doesn't have a name. what a lot of people don't know actually the movie gets part of this correct is that percy

faucet was told that the lost city he was looking for the city of z was a city built by giants does anyone know who told him that no one madam helena lavotsky interesting really interesting told him that the lost city of z was a city built by giants So Percy Fawcett was looking for a city of giants I think he was looking in the wrong place I think that the city of giant there is a city built by giants

and it's right there or thereabouts His story is tragic I mean him and his son disappeared in the end of the jungle and never returned He disappeared and Fawcett went looking for him probably went mad because he lost his son on that expedition

and he never found the lost city that he was looking for. He was way deep in the Amazon, but he was, he started up higher in the Andes. And they, he didn't know exactly where it was. I heard, and I could not find verification of this,

but I heard that he started, initially he was interested in the Chachapolos area. But I could never find verification for that. I was contacted probably, I don't know, maybe eight years ago, seven years ago, by a production company. And this production company wanted to follow on the footsteps of Percy Fawcett and wanted to see if they could find clues to his death.

And they wanted me to lead the expedition seven, eight years ago. And they wanted to begin the expedition in Chacha Poyas. And I said, why do you want to begin the expedition in Chachapoyas? and they said because he was looking for a lost city I said yeah but he was looking for a lost city down near Bolivia down in that area of the Amazon they said yeah and he said he was looking for a lost city of giants

and they said yeah that's why we wanted to start in Chachapoyas and that's why they called me because I'm the guy that goes looking for giants but they didn't come right out and tell me that so I do believe that there is a lost city of giants And when we say a lost city of giants, we're talking about a megalithic city. So I think that in that quarter that was identified by Soto and his team, there's a megalithic city.

And it has something to do. Huh? Is it all like consumed by the vegetation? That is intense jungle. And that's high jungle. All of that is Andy and Amazon. You can kind of see to the right, you can see where the Amazon basin, where it levels out. And it's, it's sea level Amazon.

But when you get up into the high jungle, the terrain is even more difficult to negotiate because now you have mountains and it's not flat. It's difficult in the jungle. In the low jungle, actually, I prefer exploring in the high jungle because there's less malaria for one thing. But there's less pests in general in the high jungle because it's cooler. So I do believe that the Lost City of Z is in that corridor. I'm persuaded. Just because of the anecdotal evidence, because also those two large tombs, they've identified them. They're very mysterious, he told me.

They're very large. They're unusual. Most likely chachapoyas. And they can't open them because they've identified them, but the owners of the property are hostile, he told me. So in Peru, if you're a farmer and you discover ruins on your property, you don't want to tell anybody. Because if you do, the Ministry of Culture encroaches, the Ministry of Culture is aggressive. Farmers don't like them. And the Ministry of Culture will accuse them of grave robbing and, you know, search their homes for artifacts.

And the farmers are, they don't have time for that. So they don't tell anybody about the ruins. Sometimes they'll burn, they'll destroy whatever they have so that the Ministry of of culture never comes looking or never discovers anything on their property and they keep people out aggressively especially if there's something interesting on their property they keep people out because they don't want the ministry of culture to encroach causes them all kind of problems so both of the tombs are on private property but the professor has told me that they have a plan to persuade the owners to give them access to the tombs so it has a price

there's something. So certainly enough money would do it. Did he tell you where the tombs are? No, he would, but I didn't ask him exactly where they're there. He said they're in the corridor. And they haven't explored that whole corridor, by the way. What's the mileage between these? I don't know.

To drive from Moyabamba to Chachapoyas, to drive on the highway, it's probably six hours. Okay. So it's a pretty big. Grand Pah Ten, you can't get near Grand Pah Ten. That's, like I said, it's shut down. Okay, now let's talk about why. Yeah. When I was living in Peru years ago, I heard rumors that the bodies of giants were discovered in Chachapolias.

Red hair giants, nine foot tall. And to this day, if you go to Chachapolos, you'll hear these stories. Very much like here in the United States, bodies of giants discovered. somebody comes from the university or from in this case in our in our case the Smithsonian takes the giants the remains secrets them away to some repository well when I was in living in Peru some years ago my friend Benny Humphreys knew he had an acquaintance Benny lives in Terrapoto Terrapoto's off its Terrapoto's north it's off the map it's north of Moabamba and an acquaintance

of his, somehow he got into contact with this individual through an acquaintance who heard that we, Benny and I, were interested in the giants of Chajapoyas. And in fact, let me amend this story. I wasn't living in Peru at the time. I was actually in Peru making a documentary film about giants. So word got around that I was interested in giants. And Benny talked to his acquaintances and one of them hooked him up with this individual. This individual was, I believe he was a curator of a museum,

or he was an archaeologist, I can't recall. But we talked to him, he contacted us, and he told us a very fascinating story. He told us that nine-foot-tall giants had been discovered in Chachapoyas. He had seen them with his own eyes, and he knew where they were being kept in Lima. And we were talking about getting access to them. It was definitive.

The bodies existed. This was a matter of fact. They were extracted from Chachapolias at some time in the past. They were deposited in a museum somewhere in Lima and have never been seen by the public. So I was on the calls with him. Both me and Benny speak fluent Spanish.

I was on the calls with this individual. Well, obviously we wanted to talk to him. So we agreed to fly him into Terrapoto from Lima, from the can. capital city. We fly him in. I remember waiting for this guy at the airport. His flight was late.

We were waiting there. And Benny and I are there. And we can't wait to talk to this guy. Gets off the plane. We walk from the plane into the, we watch him walk from the plane into the airport. We receive him in the airport. And we go to a restaurant.

Sit down with him. and I look at him and I say I think he was he was a professor but I can't remember if he was at the curator exactly I said whatever his name was I don't remember anymore I said

tell us about the Giants and he goes what Giants I said the Giants that you're telling us about on the phone I mean this from Chachia Polyas the 9 foot Giants he goes wow that sounds really interesting

but I don't know anything about that and me and Benny are like, what in the world is going on? We just talked to this guy. And we're looking at each other. We're like, we are literally looking at each other. What is happening? And we're trying to, like, figure out what's going on.

Like, we were just talking to you on the phone about these giants, these nine-foot giants that you said were, you've seen them. They're in a museum. Somewhere in Lima, you were going to come tell us about us and then take us to see them. And he's like, oh, that sounds really fascinating. he's like do you want to find giants i was like yes i was like well i'll i'll help you we can go out and see if we can find some and i'm like he was playing stupid he was playing dumb yeah it was the most bizarre thing yeah so and me and ben here just looking at each other we

just couldn't believe that this guy was pretending like he didn't know what we were talking about we flew him from Lima to Terrapoto. There was no exchange of money, nothing like that. We did pay for his ticket, and now he's pretending like we have no idea what we're talking about. The only thing that we could conclude is that somebody's talked to him, told him not to talk to us. Somebody got to him and told him not to talk to those two gringos.

I mean, what else? We could draw no other conclusion. I was just in Peru again on this trip with Benny, and we were reminiscing about this, how bizarre it was. I mean, what other explanation is there? It was so explicit talking to this guy, texting back and forth, on WhatsApp, whatever, talking to him on the phone, on conference calls. It was very clear.

He knew about the bodies, like three of them, of nine-foot giants that came out of Chachapoyas and were secreted away to a museum in Lima. And now he knows. nothing. Oh, yeah. So I have no doubt none, especially since I've uncovered so many historical records of giants in Peru, no doubt that there were giants in Chachapoyas and probably still buried, some are still buried there. I have historical records. We have the genetic anomalies of the Chachapolias people. And I had my own experience on the other side of Chachapolias, on the other side of that cloud forest

where all the villagers in Okaiyi told me that there were giants in that forest and that they would put their cows up in the trees. Like still giants. Yeah, living giants. Red-haired six-fingered giants. So I don't know if I ever told you guys that story that... It's like the story is a Solomon Island.

The Okaiyi story. Did I ever tell you that? I alluded to it earlier. Are you sure? I'm pretty sure not. Okay, so I guess I should tell you that story. How much time we have left? When I was up in Okai, if I told you this story before, you'll hear it again.

So when I was up in Okai, I got to try and cut this short because it's a long story. I was 19 years old. I was with my friend Mike Miller. And we were a gringo freak show. We were traveling around the mountains, just sort of aimlessly, Mike and I. I had dreadlocks. Mike had dreadlocks. His dreadlocks, he had blonde here.

His dreadlocks were wrapped in white string covered in wax. And he's already blonde, right? Blue eyes, really fair skin. I've got my dreadlocks and I got a monkey on my shoulder. And I'm wearing a cloak. So we were quite literally the gringo circus everywhere we went. I mean, we walked into villages where we were the first gringoes. We were the first gringos ever to walk into these villages.

and the whole village would just come and stand around us and say it. You ruin it for them. They're like, this is what gringoes are. No, no, no. We gave them the wrong impression. We're much less exciting than that. So we were traveling around this part of Peru up there on the other side of Chachapolias. We just, you know, we were just thumbing our way through the mountains.

We didn't really have any money. And wherever the trucks were headed or wherever the vehicles were headed, that's where we were going. So we jumped on the back of this one truck one morning. And it had like coffee in the back of it. And they took us to this town called Okai'i. That's where it was going. So that's where we were going. And Okai is, I know that if I did this, the people listening to this show wouldn't know.

And I want to go point to where it is on the map. But it's up there on the other side of the cloud force from Chachapoyas. And this is not a place gringoes go, okay, let alone gringoes that look like us. So we get up to Okai, and it's probably 9,000 feet. elevation somewhere around there. It's all coffee growing. Maybe it's 7,000, something like that, but it's all coffee growers. And Okai, it's not a big town. And between after Okai, you can go, you can keep going like south on the road, but, but you can't go east anymore. Because east of Okai is that vast cloud forest until you get to Chachapoyas. And there's nothing in, there's no

roads. And the cloud forest in Peru is, is, Very mysterious. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's freaky. It really is. So we ended up staying in a church. I'm, we ran into a priest. He, his, his church had, um, Catholic church. The same, under the sanctuary was, uh, was a, uh, priestly quarters, bunk beds.

And he let us stay there. Me, Mike and the monkey. That's a good, uh, title for a book, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. Sounds like a band, too. So the jam band. Yeah. So we were staying in the priestly quarters.

And every night, every evening, the priest would have, would have me and Mike come and dine with him, sup with him in the evening, him and the nuns and the other priest. And he would tell us stories about the region. I ended up on a path going to these Indian ruins out there near, on the outskirts of Okaee. We're trying to get up to these Indian ruins. Mike, he had shoes on, he didn't have a monkey on his shoulder.

He was able to hike up to the ruins quicker than me, so he advanced ahead, and I was supposed to meet him there. I was hiking in Jankees, which are the traditional Peruvian sandals, and it was very difficult to make any headway because it was wet, and those are not good footwear to hike in. So I eventually took him off and was going barefoot, didn't make it, got dark. I had to pitch my tent, hammock tent, on the path. Mike's up there at the ruins. I imagine I'm on the path. And these ruins are supposed to be cursed by the way. And there's a story associated with those ruins.

And I should say before I finish, conclude this story, that the priest, one of the stories that the priest told me was that the cows, the villagers were complaining about their cows being found up in the trees. And he told me it happens. It absolutely happens. I talked to the villagers in Okai and they said, yeah. Are they alive or dead? alive up in the tree. They've had to get there. Nobody knows.

It's a big mystery. We don't understand how a cow gets up in a tree. And they have to get ropes, and they have sometimes the cows fall and die. And it was a reality. Now, I don't think it was happening every other day, but it had happened and was a phenomenon that was continuing to happen. And the priest told me that there's legends of giants in the cloud forest. and they think that that's possibly the explanation.

So I'm on this path. I set my tent up across the path, it's kind of an inclination, not a good place to put a tent either. But it was getting dark. I had no choice. And I'm standing there, before I get into my tent. I tell this whole story, by the way,

I guess in some episode on your show, but also on my YouTube channel. And I'm standing there contemplating how crappy this night's going to be because it gets cold in the cloud forest. We were supposed to have a fire and a nice camp set up at the ruins. And my monkey's on my shoulder. And I'm standing there right before I get dark, getting ready to go in this hammock tent.

And all of a sudden I hear something moving in the forest. And it's like something's like moving around. It's breaking branches. Something large. I thought it was a bear because there's Andy and Bears out there. And I'm thinking, there must be a bear walking in. around and I'm looking into the forest and I can't see anything because it's too dark now

and all the sudden whatever this was walking out there bellowed my name Tim clear as day like it was loud rumbling my monkey freaked out he grabbed my throat he was he was shivering. He was, he was freaked out. He dug his hands into my neck. And I remember I had to pry him off of me. He was, he heard the voice and, and, and,

he knew what it was. He knew there's something, something frightening in the woods. And, and I'm just standing there. I mean, I clearly heard my name. It was bellowed. And I don't know what it was.

But I guess there's a possibility. It was a red hair giant. But whatever that was, it happened in that area, in that general region of Chachapoyas in that cloud forest. That's why Chachapoyas, to me, is so interesting. I do think that there's living giants in that region still today because that cloud forest is intense. It's intense. There's, there's, there's not been a lot. of exploration in the cloud forest.

So there's a lot of untracked wilderness. You think we're catching up to it? Like, LiDAR and other systems that can just scan? Well, that's what I want to do when I go back because I want to hire a LiDAR team. Oh, we didn't even talk about, do we got like five minutes left? Yeah, yeah. Okay. I was going to ask that same thing.

What happens now? So that was all digressions. After I talked to Abraham Soto. That's just the warm-up. That's the intro. After I talked to Professor Soto, remember, he's the one who took the picture in front of that megalithic wall.

He was gracious enough to set me up with somebody who could take me to the wall, with a farmer who lived in the vicinity. So the next morning, we headed out. And long story short, we made it to the wall. We had to hike up a ravine in the river. This was definitely off the beaten path. And in the jungle.

We make it to the wall, and I was greatly impressed, because I'm certain that this is a megalithic cyclopean retainer wall. I say retainer wall because this wall, and I don't know if you guys can find it, to put it up on the picture of me standing in front of it, this wall is, you have to understand this wall is located along the river in the ravine. That's sage wall there.

The wall is located along the river. And the river, that's sage wall. So let's go maybe back. There it is. Okay. So first of all, I know you guys are going to see these pipes running through. Everybody wonders with those are pipes.

Because further up the river, around the bend, somebody has installed a little dam. So that's for irrigation. Those pipes are for irrigation. The locals have, are directing water around that wall to irrigate their crops. So the locals have, as is always the case,

the locals have known about this location, but they never thought anything about it. When Professor Soto went there, he thought, this is a wall. When I went there, I thought, this is a megalithic cyclopean wall that's it's the same architectural style

as the foundations of Machu Picchu it's polygonal the stones are fitted together precisely and I verify I went up on the side of the wall and with my machete I dug out the side of the wall I verify that those stones go all the way through

they're individual blocks that's not fracturing in the face of the wall and see how it's it's a ravine and I'm standing in the river or next to the river and you can't see it you can see it later on in the video on my right hand

there's a channel and there it is there's a channel carved into the bedrock right in front of the wall so it appears to me that someone built a retainer wall a megalithic retainer wall to protect this part of the river

keep that channel open they are blocks okay so it's not just fissuring on the exterior of the wall like so like sage wall these are blocks okay i've never seen anything like that in the jungle this is the first megalith i've ever seen in the jungle if you add these components together the potential potential megalithic quarry of copolye juries out on that yeah whether or not it's a megalithic quarry you have a very important road probably Chacha Foyas. You have a very important road

running through this area. You have what I believe is a aqueduct, man-made aqueduct, cascade. That would have been a tremendous enterprise to build that thing. Then you have this corridor

that's been identified by Soto and his team in which there are two gigantic tombs. We don't know what's in. them, but they're there. And now you have this cyclopean megalithic wall. And how close is this wall to where you think this city may be? Where's this wall again? It's in the corridor. It's up, see Moabamba up there in the north-eastern part of that

area. Yeah. Yeah. Area. It's in that region. Okay. But remember, all the way south is Grand Fahattan. That was Chachiafoyas. Up in Chachapoyas, that was the main settlement of the Chachapoyas people. So this entire area was inhabited by the Chachapoyas, this entire area. And

the Inca later built some stuff there. They had an occupation for a while to the Spaniards came. So I think to put a cap on this whole thing, I am personally persuaded that there is a lost city in that corridor. Soto and his team are persuaded

that there is a lost city in that corridor. And furthermore, I suspect it's the lost city of giants and the true location of the lost city of Z. And I think that Madam Blavatsky is right. In this particular occasion, he is correct, that the lost city of Z is a city built by giants. Yeah.

So what, when are you going back? What's the plans? If it's there, I mean, who else is doing this? So it was you and Mike and you've got the professors there on the ground? And like, so what, briefly, what happens next? What's moving forward, what do we do? What's the next thing? I'm in conversation with a professor.

I, after my conference, I'm going to start to put an expedition together. I want a LIDAR team. And I want a, there's a particular archaeologist that I've tapped to help me if I do this, if I do this expedition, I think you guys know this particular archaeologist. One Mando Gonzalez. Mondo, baby. Yes.

And so I got to put a team together. And I definitely got to, I need LIDAR. Where's the LIDAR technology now? It's all over. I mean, there's LIDAR teams in Lima now. I mean, is it like getting to the point where? Oh, you mean, technologically speaking.

Yeah, I mean, LIDAR, you can LIDAR large areas. of the jungle relatively quickly so from a drone from a drone is yeah you do it off you i mean you can do it from an airplane too but there's no reason to anymore you go out with a drone and then you can quad you can do it by quadrants and and really cover a lot of ground so does it spit you out like pretty good photographs or how does it it removes the vegetation lidar basically removes the vegetation and you can see if there's any artificial structures so if there's ruins you can see them on lidar and we've used LIDAR before

and it's really remarkable I mean that's what you need in this kind of a forested environment you need LIDAR ground penetrating radar you bring that in after you find the structures but LIDAR is what you need so

your team need any like just gringoes with limited skills and maybe the 2020 Peruvian rock throwing champion perhaps let us know yeah you have to come to Peru to see that.

You know a couple guys. So it's a... People are like, what? It's in the works. I don't know. You know, I don't know what's going to happen. I don't know. When.

Yeah. When it's going to happen. We're doing another trip at some point. I know that. We got to... Yeah, there's a whole other situation unfolding in Peru, too, that we don't have time to talk about. That is even more interesting. So, I mean, we've got...

I mean, we've been there, obviously, with you. And you got three-fingered... alien mummy looking things. You've got megaliths. I brought this up earlier, but like these, like when you go to Machupecchoo, for example, it's like taking a train in, going up the side of the mountain. It doesn't make any sense why they build these things where they build them. Let me hiked up the back.

Nate almost died. He hiked Winapechu and jeans and Jordans. That was fun. I left him behind. I thought this is a one-man show now. He's not going to make it. That was probably the most deadly hike we've ever done. Like, why hiking up Winnipeachia?

You slipped once. You were gone. You had to sign like a waiver to get in there. Then we saw cigars on top and me and Tim and almost got kicked out of the entire structure. Stories of cloud giants who've got. That's right. The hover, the hovering. Oh, you got the face peelers.

You've got that. And then you've got the chinkana that's about to be opened. I mean, it sounds like you've got. Really? Yes. Who's going to open it? Anselm Piaramba. Let's go.

I've got to, that. And I'm joining. This is a whole other thing. But yes, the chinkana, we were in Peru briefly. There's a tunnel that's supposed to connect a lot of these, these megalithic sites and the ancient temple. Well, specifically the one that runs beneath Bori Kancha and Soxiawana. Soxia woman, yeah. And that tunnel, we found it with our technology.

Anselm saw it with his own eyes years before. And this is, it's, it's, it's. It's a long story, but it's a legend if you ask historians today about the Xincahna, that's just a legend. It doesn't exist. It exists. We found it with our GPR unit. And Anselm found it too.

And I just announced the world on the Sean Ryan show that this happened, by the way. But Anselm, long story short, Anselm now has permission to excavate. to get into the tunnel because we went with our GPR unit and based on Anselm's story we were able to detect the tunnel we saw it

we were in Peru for everybody watching and listening here we walked that line and we went to the we were there we went and walked to where the entrance and then to the along where this tunnel is supposed to run that's right yeah we saw the tunnel on the GPR scan and then Ansel

With the same technology, went back shortly after us, and he reaffirmed the reading, and he even got a better, he even got a better reading. And he published his results in Barcelona last year. And right after that, two archaeologists in Lima stole his data and claimed they found the tunnels. And that was international headlines last year. I don't know if maybe some of you guys saw that. You know, legendary tunnels discovered under the city of Kusco. I mean, these are headlines. And I was like, I knew somebody stole Anselm's material, but I didn't know.

I found out in Peru with his son in Lima, I found out while I was in Peru that Ansel actually has been working on a project behind the scenes, working with the archaeological community in Kusko and getting all the documentation in place. He now has a contract signed by all of the necessary archaeologists in Kusko for three years. year project to get into the shikana. They're waiting on one more signature. The Ministry of Culture is changing out in Peru. And when the new one comes in, he signs that the final document, and then they can break ground and dig. And they can dig in the, in the Costa Concha, which is right in front of Kori Kancha. And that will be the biggest archaeological discovery since Machu Picchu.

And you think that tunnel goes all the way, and we were there all the way to Sox-Saiwan. It goes to the galleries beneath Sox, I want one. Which, I mean, we went to, and that is the most impressive thing I've ever seen, like, the size of those stones fit together, like the most impressive megalithic wall on Earth. The sucks I want. So Peru is just chock full of it. I mean, your last couple stories sound like some sort of, you know, cattle mutilation. Yeah, the face peeler stuff. And so you have all these phenomena, like we talk about on the show, the various ones that you can find around the world.

but Peru has all of it. The Dwayndes, the... Yeah, little people are there. The little people. So draws Nate back again. Yeah, I'd talk to those guys. We came off, uh, John Te Tambo, down the hill, and I was talking to the locals and the shops about little people.

Shocker. Well, because he's selling the little... We should have bought some of those. Yeah, those would have made good, uh, I don't know. I don't want to bring back that. Choochoo. Yeah, there's some weird stuff happening here. But, uh, this is...

We're excited. it to him because obviously we got to go back to Peru at some point with some new people and listeners and check out some of these things and i want to get over to easter island because i think there's a connection between this part of the world and there the same megalith builders from peru built the stuff in easter island yeah it's just like maybe there was some sort of ancient path or i don't know it's interesting like to have all these topics but peru is definitely like almost the bluriest location there is and a lot I love this too because I feel like we're on the cusp.

It feels like you're right on the cusp of these major discoveries, whether it be the lost city or the country of course. But nobody wants that stuff to come out. I don't think it's coincidental that I ended up in Peru. Yeah. When I was 19 years old, I think you guys will recall that I wasn't headed to Peru. Oh, yeah. You were headed elsewhere to Europe.

I was headed to Scotland in Ireland. And I literally got deported. The next day I arrived, I got deported back to the states. And it was during that period of time, the next week when I was home, I'm really bummed out because I felt like I couldn't escape the suburbs of Cleveland, Ohio. Yeah. When it just so happened that I was supposed to be in Ireland and Scotland, got deported. It just so happened that Alfonso Felix, a Mexican-American missionary to Peru, was preaching in my dad's church that next week.

And the door to Scotland and Ireland was slammed in my face and the door to Peru. Oh, why? Yeah. I never told anyway. Well, I never told this publicly, but I hesitate to do it. But when I was, this is probably not a good way to end this conversation. Perfect. When I was 14 years old, my mom was dying of cancer.

And she was on hospice and she was in the living room on the hospital bed. And, you know, it had been a slow thing. It wasn't suddenly this unfolded over a year. her, the progression of the cancer. So it wasn't like a, everybody had a long time to prepare for the reality that she was going to die. And my dad was telling me and my brother, you need to go say goodbye to your mom. And I remember my dad and my older brother were in the kitchen and me and my twin brother.

And I'm, you know, 14 years old, maybe 13 at the time, probably 14. And my dad's saying, you need to go, you need to go do it now, right now. And I'm like, how do you just go say goodbye to your mom? you know I'm like sitting there like I I didn't want to do it it was very awkward and I didn't you know how do you do that so but he made me so I went over and I sat down next to my mom actually I now that I recall she wasn't in the bed yet she was laying on the couch and I sat down on the couch next to my mom and I didn't know what to say I mean what do you say I didn't know what to say so you know what I said mom I'm going to go to Peru I had no desire to go to

Peru. I don't even know why I said it. I swear. I had no right. It came out of my mouth and I said, what? Why did I just say that? I'm going to go to Peru. And then I said, I'm going to be a missionary in Peru, which I did some of that. I said, I'm going to go to Peru. And after I said that to her, I walked away and I thought, why did I tell my mom I'm going to Peru? I had no desire to go to Peru. I had no plans to go to Peru. I wanted to go to Africa, Ireland, and Scotland. none zero desire to go to Peru wasn't even on my radar but yet this is what came out of me

when I had to say goodbye to my mom isn't that weird? I mean that's kind of a morbid thing to end down there but it's true that happened and so it's very interesting and then you did yeah very interesting that I'm now involved in this weird stuff in Peru's it well Tim thank you so much for taking us there

and helping us kind of take our show from stories about creatures to dynasties, empires, and the weirdest locations that, you know, we can, I think it's really great because I think the data is there that you have elongated skulls, you've got three-fingered, you know, mummies, you've got, you know, stuff that we've seen in Kusko and Soxai Woman, that's just like, it's not human. It's beyond, like, our understanding and all these things in one place. And, you know, I think it just, it's a ton of data for the skeptics. the people that don't want to think about this narrative giants,

either in the Bible or, you know, specifically on our show a lot, it just feels like it's conspiracy theory, but there's so many things there. And I think it helps us move the meter and making this more mainstream. And people can kind of accept, oh, yeah, the strange parts of the Bible are probably not that strange, actually, after all. And give it up for Tim, everybody. Yeah.

Coming in. Thank you guys for having me. And if I can, I forgot. I have a conference in Bozum, Montana, taking place from the 27th to the 28th of June. And we're going to have David Politis, Joe Allen, talking about transhumanism. Congressman Eric Berluson is coming. We're going to be talking about the UAP stuff. My friend Gary Haven.

We're going to be talking about our adventures in Peru and some of the stuff we discovered. So if anybody wants to go to that conference, you can go to Elbrinoevents.com. Get tickets, 27th through 28th of June. it's going to be a lot of fun. Awesome. Awesome. Yeah, we love you, Tim. Thanks for being a part of...

Yeah. It's always fun being with you guys. And I've been very excited watching your show explode. Everywhere I go, people come up to me and say, I saw you on blurry creatures. Well, and they'll say to me, I know who you are and say, blurry creatures, right? And that's all going to change.

I mean, so we're very, likewise, very excited to see all things you're doing. I mean, Sean Ryan this week, guys. He was on Sean Ryan. Michael Knowles for a second time. Like, it's really, really cool to have a friend and see your trajectory and people getting to hold of your work. Because, I mean, I think the way that you, as Nathan said, the way you analyze things, the way you write down, the way you articulate, and the way you weave the gospel and the

Bible into understanding some of these things that are hard to understand, I think is something that people are really waking up to. that message and I think it's such an important message and so cool to see you be platformed on these major platforms I get your message out I mean we love you and we could be more proud of you and better be your friend man well likewise gentlemen special likewise yeah and I think it's important because you have some of these questions you need 20 years 25 years 30 years of research to make sense of what's coming out now I think a lot of people are running with a lot of bad theories because they just don't have enough information yeah and I think you're saying you're I'm going to go to peru at a young

as a young man is important part of shaping the conclusions that people have based on the evidence that's coming out, you know. We're just riding the wave. Yeah, baby. All right. Do you have time for a couple questions? Dan, we have time for a few questions? Yeah.

Are we got a... If you got about 10 minutes, if you guys have any questions, is the mic up front? If you want to come just like class, raise your hand and come to the front of the class. Ask Nate personal questions. honestly please just do that I don't think that mic's on hold on Ben's coming we got for this prestigious award and the TV guide is Tim themed there I wrote this question down near the beginning it occurred to me when you were talking about the mummies the small ones being constructed in a way that didn't seem like they were put together right I was wondering

Do you think, but at the same time, they have these implants where organic material was growing around them. Do you think they could have been some kind of the way that idols were constructed to basically be filled with another consciousness? But instead of being made out of inorganic material. Yeah. And then that's a good question. Because it's like if it's communication technology, some kind of mind connection to it. I suppose that's possible. That's a good question.

Like an ancient Chuckie doll? Yes, yes. That's what they are. I was terrified. I agree. That's a good one. Very good question. Show them the TV guide, Tim.

The most attractive, man. What years was from? 1985 or whatever. 1985, I was two years old. Beautiful. That's not the part of the TV guys. That's not what it says. April 19th.

No, what? I was three years old. No, no. No, no, no, we got to be related to this TV guy. That's what we're talking about. Yeah. The most attractive men of 1982. Oh, man.

Kirk Cameron on that? I saw him the other day. So my question doesn't have anything to do with what we talked about today. It was something I, you'd said, is that okay? Yes, of course. Okay. So you're talking about, you know, when the angel, the watchers came down, that kind of thing. and made it, you know, with women, human women.

Okay, and I remember you saying that they had to have lusted first. So why would the watchers and male, the angels, or the watchers, have male parts to reproduce when they were wherever they were before? Well, I think the question, the essential question is how in the world, world could have heavenly being lust in the first place. Right. And I think you said because they had to have had the parts. Well, how else?

We've got a weiner question. Number two. So perfect. It's perfect. It's personal. Why did they have the weiner parts? This goes right in line with the TV guide. The weir parts in the first place.

On brand. This is so on the top 10 most attractive watchers on TV. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, why did they have weiner parts in the TV? Look what you did. Yeah, she's an archaeologist. It's a technical term.

It's a technical. We had to ask you this question. Tim, what do you think about Angel Wieners? That's what we're doing. That's the question that I'm hearing. God. So.

Such a highbrow conversation we had. Well, I mean, I just work backwards from that. If you, you got to take a dip of that. Talk about this. You cannot possibly lust if you don't have,

less is a sexual impulse. Sexual impulses are derived. in beings who have sexual organs. So I think if you just deconstruct the story, the only rational conclusion that you can draw is that the watchers were very much like human males. Because not only did they have the sexual impulse, then they descended and they copulated with human women

and they were able to procreate, which means that not only did they have the equipment to do so, They could lust. Then they used the equipment, and it resulted in a hybrid. Right. But take it back, step back, like before all that. Why they have them in heaven? Why do they have them in heaven?

Well, that's what I'm asking. Well, what did they do with it? Well, I think that. We don't know if there were female angels. I feel like this is a really good question for Luke. what do the angels do with their private parts in heaven? Do you see what I'm saying? She's pretty off.

We never hear about females up there. So that's what you're getting to is, did they have females? Do they have females? I think, I think. The answer is probably yes. Really? Because I think they think Eve was just so unique, you know? She's unique.

I mean, the woman. I think we've always thought that she was like, new creation that they had never seen a woman, right? Biblically speaking, there is no indication that there is no information, let's put it this way, about female angels. This does not preclude the possibility that there are female heavenly beings. They're just never mentioned. And Joel Mutimali would say this is an argument from silence, but nevertheless,

I don't think we can totally discount the idea, first and foremost. So I'm not sure that I'm not sure even what I think about that. Were there female angels, are there female heavenly beings? I don't know, precisely because the Bible doesn't tell us one way or the other. But you can't totally discount it. So that's a possibility. That scenario is in play. Maybe they had them and they lost them somehow?

I don't know. But what's clear where we can start from, the starting position for this question is that they lusted. And there's no way to get around that. Right. And I agree with that part. You cannot get around this. This is the first cause of the watcher's transgression. I just wanted to know what they did with it before.

I think like, yeah, maybe. The second thought of that is I think sometimes people, I don't know, they don't. they don't they think that angels just materialize into something if you materialize into something you would take on the full genetic makeup of whatever you materialized into the differences is you have two different DNAs coming together that are enough alike to create these mominations and these offspring that's something why we started proving the giants were a thing and then work up to the genesis six event that they had an origin story they had parents you know what I'm saying so obviously they have a DNA of some type but it's not quite ours, but it's close enough. So they have, they're producing, you know. Yeah, but what are they doing up there with the equipment?

Yeah, I mean, they obviously had sperm, right? Yeah. For what for? We're getting into it. Before they came down. I mean, I think the most logical answer, the most logical conclusion is that they have females. There's a kingdom somewhere else.

We talked about, we talked a bit about, like, the idea of the female, like, deities and goddesses that exist. And there's a whole thing that, like, did they? That's a good point. Did they masquerade? Like so there's this whole thought that like it was just, you know, these male demons or angels masquerade as female or being transgender in the Babylonian and the Babylonian and Sumerian things. But maybe they just were.

Maybe there were female entities. That's a, I mean, it is, um, it's a distinct possibility. Maybe it's hard to get a date in heaven. It's just harder, you know, they work a little harder to get a date up there. That's true. I love this question. I'm glad we went here. I think there is some

there is some conversation maybe it's like easier for them to come down here and impress human women. It would be a lot easier, right? What is it, the Earth women are easy? That movie or whatever? I didn't watch that one. They always wanted what baby brother had, right?

Yeah. Elder's always. They knew that they knew that result of their marriage to human women would be offspring. Yeah. So they knew, they knew, they had the equipment and they knew what it would do.

I was just curious about the equipment before. And more questions like this and I'm going to have to check. Yeah, I love it. I do. Thank you. There's a T-shirt there, getting ready to be designed. Thank you for that. Thank you for that.

This will go on blurry after dark. I'm glad Sean Ryan didn't ask me that question. You're like, listen, bro. You got time for one more. else? I think that That is a great question. Should we rehash that one? But I think that's why they came up with the whole different theory of the sons of Seth

because they, ancient people probably thought about these things. That's just too bizarre to put in the Bible. It was just too scandalous. Yeah. All right. Last question. Here we go. A lot of pressure.

This may be a bad question. That's even better. Of all y'all's podcast, I've noticed that Ali. say you to Tim? Yeah. Seems to have the most parallels with Tim stuff. I was wondering if Tim has ever listened

to any of his... I met him. You met him? Your guys is conference last year. Yeah, good guy. Really good dude. I like him a lot. Yeah, I was just wondering

if there was any chance of you and him maybe having a live... Just the... Cage match. The idea is about things being more physical. Tag team?

Yeah, he's on that... I'm not... Okay, so I'm not really 100% familiar. I'm familiar with his somewhat with his UFO encounter in Irish. Iran. He was a wild and a UFO encounter.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Which I find fascinating, but I'm not, I'm not really sure about his theological position. Like you're talking about more things having more physical location, like in the universe. He seems to be, of all the people I've heard on his podcast, more pushing that direction, too, with like they're just being deception over time of them trying to convince us that it's not, it's a spiritual thing that just isn't a gnautic. I like this guy. Yeah. Yeah, I, you know, this is, This is a good point. I would say that this point is what distinguishes me, differentiates me, is a better word.

What differentiates me from a lot of my colleagues is that a lot of my colleagues are still, they're stuck in a, I'm going to use this term, very intentionally actually, a supernatural worldview. And that includes the late Mike Heiser. He was, in my opinion, I had a lot of respect for Mike.

He leaned a lot from his work. But Mike was, in my opinion, he was stuck in a supernatural worldview. In other words, he believed that all of the heavenly beings were spiritual, disembodied specifically. And yet everything they're doing in the biblical narrative is embodied and has a rational explanation. So I certainly that's definitely a distinguishing factor. I don't jump to that conclusion because I don't have any use for those words. And I don't think we use the word spiritual correctly anyway. I think in the West we've interpreted spiritual as disembodied

when that's not what the word means in the context of when it's being used in the scriptures. Spiritual means, depending on the context. I mean, you can be spiritually minded. You should be spiritually minded as opposed to carnally minded, right? Being spiritually minded doesn't mean that you're disembodied. You have some sort of a disembodied person that's inside of you, and you need to allow that person to dominate. It's not something like that at all.

What it means is being spiritually minded is contemplating things that have to do with the kingdom of heaven. And, you know, sort of like higher order conscious thoughts about God, and nature and the kingdom of heaven as opposed to the carnal thoughts about reproduction and eating and drinking and all of the bodily needs, which is, you know, is base. Question number two. So I think we have a misunderstanding of the term spiritual. I don't think we're using it appropriately because the way that most of us use it is

disembodied. And I think that's the wrong idea. So a supernatural worldview that necessitates a purely a realm in which the beings are all in a state of disembodiment, I would say is wildly inaccurate. Yeah. And if, and if Ali thinks that as well, then I'm in good company. Yeah, which is more of a Gnostic view that, and, you know, a lot of people argue, narcissism kind of crept into the church. And I think this is great because it starts off with like the first question. we talked about tonight, which is like Sasquatch is just messing with your brain,

but he's actually a physical creature, walking around, leaving hair, footprints, all the things that are physical, right? But it appears to us that he's just dissipating and turning into a spirit and floating away, but it might not actually be true. And then, you know, all the way to the, to the narratives we talk about with Tim, with these things crash. They crash their ships into our, you know, to our farms, into our people's land. And people, find this stuff. And then we dig up the bones. We find the skeletons. We find the megalis. It's all a physical thing happening. And maybe they just cruise from some other place. It's just almost like this to hear. And it's not much different than that. That's how we can understand.

The psalmist wrote that the children of Israel ate the bread of heaven, the sustenance of the angels in the wilderness, the grain of heaven, rather. The sustenance of the angels. The sustenance of the angels. And what are the, what are the, what do the, the Israelites eat in the wilderness? They gathered the grain that fell from heaven. They called it manna. What is it? That's what it means. What is it? They gathered it. They baked it in the bread. And then the psalmist tells us that this is the grain of heaven, the sustenance of the angels. I mean, this is just one, one example. But everything we see angels doing is what we do. Going back to the other. question. I mean, copulating with women. Lusting, first of all, then copulating, then procreating.

So I see all of these physical things happening, and it baffles me that we extrapolate from this, a disembodied supernatural world. It's like, I don't understand. It's just like this disconnect. And I think that the reason why is because this is Western tradition. This is an artifact of Western Christian tradition to spiritualize everything. Certainly this was not the case in the ancient Near Eastern tradition because you can't spiritualize 200 watchers having sex with human women. That's not spiritual. That's physical. And that undergirds their cosmology. That event, sex between angels and human women, undergirds their cosmological view. So we screwed this up in the West, I think.

And we think that by making everything disembodied and supernatural and spiritual, we're being more biblically accurate when I think it's quite the opposite, actually. I think we're, we are unnecessarily complicating the situation. And I'll just, you've all heard Gary, Gary Sterman's story. He was on your show. You know, I often go back to that story. Gary believes that those, the pilots of that walnut-shaped craft that saved his life were angels, right?

Look to your left and you'll see a you. Precisely, with a sense of humor. Angels with a sense of humor flying a piece of technological hardware. They didn't just, I Dream of Jeannie, poof him out of the plane and, you know, put him on the tarmac. No, they flew there, advanced aerospace vehicle next to his aircraft, and they escorted. him to safety. So to me, I just, my brain, it's a lot, I feel like a lot of Christians, it's easier for their brain to go to the, to go to the ethereal.

That's like a really difficult leap for my brain, because that's like jumping into nothingness. It's like there's nothing, there's nothing you can touch. There's nothing you can identify there. It's a world of, of, of shadows. and there's nothing as defined. Shadows and dust. And so there's no answers there.

You know what I mean? Yeah. But if you deconstruct the things that are actually happening in the narrative, then what you find is a world that's very familiar to us. And why shouldn't we find a world

that's very familiar to us? Yeah. I mean, we are the younger sibling in the family. And I would argue that everything we do here we ripped off. I think that's why we build the way the ancients built the megal, that's the way they did, because they knew they were built somewhere else. Furthermore, if you read the book Sidonia by David Flynn, he talks about the monuments on Mars being originally erected

for the glory of God, and that they were corrupted, and that the monument building on Earth was a reflection of that, but was corrupted and became the tool. of the occult and so forth. So I think that that's a good point. You know, monument building, megalith building, technology, technological armaments, technological vehicles, all of this originated, dare I say, in the kingdom of heaven. Civilization. The original civilization. There it is. There it is. You got pulled to mind off and drop it. That civilization has a king. So that's the way I see. and I think that makes the most sense, yeah, with all the things we talk about. Thank you guys.

Thank you for coming in. Yeah. Thank you. To our studio. This is how we can keep this show going. You guys help directly make this production happen. So thank you guys so much for coming in. Give it up one more time for Tim Albrino.

Thank you. And we have, you know, for those listening at home, we have a book of Enoch together. And you can, you can get that blurry Enoch. dot com just like that and many and a few more books on the way yeah yeah maybe some trips nephileem series let's go back to peru i want to go to sardania first but we're just no we're not voting right now we're not taking a vote let's go open to chicana that's what i let's do that actually yeah that's all right let's go do that thank you everybody the man the mullet and the monkey what was it i don't know but that sounds really good okay it was the mike

Mike and the monkey. Me, Mike and the monkey. All right, guys. Be saved. Me myself and Irene, yeah. And we'll see you in the blurry verse out there. Yeah, thanks, everybody. Thank you.