Blurry Creatures - EP: 332 "We Met an Exorcist" with Dan Reehil

Episode Date: June 10, 2025

Today, we interview Father Dan Reehil, a seasoned exorcist, who shares chilling details of multiple exorcisms he’s performed. Dan opens up and shares with us what it takes to become an exorcist, terrifying experiences like levitation, and dives into the spiritual battle against evil. We’re talking exorcisms, and we’re talking Blurry. - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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it's funny in the last 10 years, they're going heavy on the demonic. It's just, it was the exorcist, what, 40 years ago? And then now, a sudden it's just constant. He is not afraid to show his face anymore, which means we're in a new time. This is a new era where he's really putting himself out there. We don't have a conversation. There's two questions I can ask. What is your name, and when are you leaving this victim? What appointed date has God given you to get out? Under duress of Jesus' justice and wrath, they usually are compelled to tell you,

but you can't trust them because they lie. So we don't really dialogue with them. When they just go off on their own, they're cursing, they're blaspheming, they're calling me names, the victim usually is trying to spit on me. Think of the worst of humanity. That's how they behave.

The history of our Earth is so different from what we can imagine. Joy to join. The Smithsonian, if they found out about a large skeleton somewhere, was to go get it. I'm going to assume at least one person is right, because if one person's right to bust the paradigm, it all goes back to the fallen church. And the problem with the modern-day church, they have a very truncated view of the supernatural. This backdrop that's just pregnant with all kinds of meaning, associated with the following. meeting associated with this Mount Herman event.

And this guy defects from the kingdom. That's a big deal. Welcome back to Blurry Creatures. We've got Father Dan Rehill on the show today. Exorcists for the Diocese of Nashville. And we've had a couple episodes with Exorcists and, you know, from both sides, Catholic and the Protestants. But we've also had, you know, the Exorcist Files.

A couple of episodes with those guys as well. and Ryan Bethay and Father Martins. But, you know, these are interesting. These conversations, these podcasts, because you're talking to somebody who's boots on the ground, actually in people's houses, and got a little more insight into what that looks like. Yeah.

Yeah, it's great. Dan's local, right? We live in the Nashville area and this is our, if we will, our local exorcists. It kind of gets to- Local flavor. Yeah. And these guys are, it's fascinating, right?

Not being Catholic, you and I, Like there's such a tradition in the Catholic Church for exorcisms and they have, you know, a couple thousand years of data and writings and process and methodology they use. There is a school. You go to a school apparently and you learn. And you learn what not to do as well what to do. So we're going to ask some of those fun questions. And Dan's super gracious to join us. He pastors the church not too far from where we are here in Nashville.

And this is a fascinating discussion. you know, on the Catholic Church, its views on demons and possessions. And then just getting into, you know, what's happening today. I think this is an interesting conversation around, you know, a process and methodology of a couple thousand years. But what does it look like today? How is the Dark, Kingdom of Darkness operating and infiltrating today? And what, you know, how we think about that? And what does the Catholic Church think about that?

And what does an exorcist think about that? And what can he tell us about his experiences? This is just, I love these kinds of episodes because they get you and I out of our box as well. Yeah. You know, being raised in non-denominational churches for most part, you know, in Northern California, getting exposed to the tradition of exorcism in the Catholic Church and to a guy who's personal and, and honest and just forthcoming about his own story. It's, this is a fun one with Father Dan.

Yeah, it's heavy at times. We cracked a few jokes, but also get out of our blurry space. Sometimes there's different opinions about all the weird stuff that happens in our spaces too. And sometimes it's easy to kind of just have the same conversation over, but this is a little bit different. But thank you for sponsoring the show. If you want to become a member, blurrycruciers.com slash members. We just moved over to Supercast. You guys can join up.

We've got a lot of new things for members only and extra episodes, ad-free episodes, tickets, and channels. So head over there, help sponsor the show. Let's get Dan on this one. Thank you. Often on our show we talk about all the weird stuff out there, whether it's Bigfoot or aliens and people have experiences with UFOs. We talk a lot about demons and possession. And mostly a lot of people come on the show and tell us their experiences about supernatural, paranormal, things like that. But early on in the show, we kind of took it more into the theology.

And our show kind of became something completely different than when we started. we started talking about Bigfoot. And we're going to ask you your thoughts on Bigfoot. That's our first question. But welcome to the show. Thank you, Dan Rehill. Thanks for coming on. You were just recently on Sean Ryan's show and here in Nashville.

So it's cool to have you in studio today. Thank you for coming on. And tell us a little about yourself and then your thoughts on Bigfoot. I am a pastor of a church in Columbia, which is about 40 miles south of here. I'm the exorcist for the Diocese of Nashville. I'm a dean over 18 of those parishes sort of like a, a stepping zone between them and the bishop. I'm national director of Radio Maria USA.

I have a daily radio show at 9 in the morning. Yeah. That dumps into a podcast. And it keeps me pretty busy. Oh, I bet. Yeah. You get up early. I do.

You get up at what, 4 o'clock in the morning? 4.20. Oh, wow. Wow. And I have a puppy now. Oh, you're a busy guy. It adds so much time to your day when you have to take the dog out. You need to feed the dog.

The dog. Yeah. Thoughts on Bigfoot. That's where we're going to start. And then I want to get into your story. Yeah. You don't have to have any thoughts. We've had everyone from theologians.

We asked Father Martins when he was on from the Exorcist Files, what his thoughts were. So everybody gets the question. He's down in Columbia, I've heard. Bigfoot. Oh, yeah. Oh, well, everything's in Columbia. A lot of mules. Yeah.

Yes. It's the Tuscany of Tennessee. There we go. That's a rigging endorse thing. I love it. Personally, Bigfoot is looks to be a cross between

an animal and a man so for me I rule that out because I don't think the original Adam and Eve were furry creatures that evolved into us I feel like the humans have always been humans

and that's the way God made them and so for me I'm out well yeah I mean it could be its own thing it could be like maybe has nothing to do with humans at all that's what I that's what I want to just a weird animal just a weird or an abomination of some kind, maybe.

I don't know. I don't know why he hasn't been caught yet. I mean, everybody has a cell phone now. We have a heat seeking radar and all this stuff. Why can't we find him? That's the question, Dan. That's why we're getting out of. Oh, I think he has been found.

That's what we get into. We get into the data and the evidence. We talk a lot about these things. And we talk a lot like the ancient giants, for example, like which we think is partially related to the history of the the demons, which, you know, where do they come from? What's their origin story? And I think we kind of hit the ground running.

I know probably a lot of shows you go on. It's a lot of introducing people to some of these ideas, but we're like way down the road and the weird stuff. How do you, how do you, what's your story of becoming an exorcist? How does that happen? Exorcists are chosen by the bishop. Okay. And that's it.

And usually if you want to be the exist, you'll never be the exist. Because there's guys like, oh, I want to do this. They do. They want to do it? Yeah. They think they do. They think they do. But it's actually usually an older priest.

When I started doing this, I was only ordained a few years. But I had been doing it prior and religious life. I was one of the assistants to the exes. So it made sense. They send you to Rome. You get trained on everything possible. How long does that take? It should take three months.

I went through a very fair. process of only a few weeks and then came back and was mentored up with the exorcist of Indianapolis who'd been doing it about 15 years and we would go on cases together and you'd kind of learn from watch that's really where you learn is from doing it yeah with another exorcist yeah you can learn everything you want but the first time you're alone and you're doing it just you yeah you're second guessing everything like I don't know is this working and why is she doing that or why is that person doing this or why they reacting like that Why are they screaming at me?

And you just keep going through the right until you get to the end. And, you know, you kind of, I have a team around me. So I'm looking for feedback. And what did you notice when this was happening? When did the demon get irritated? Were there any particular saints that set it off? Things like that. So when you go to Rome, I have a question about like the actual practice of exorcism.

It's, it's the church has been doing it for almost millennia, right? It's first century. First century. So we're talking, well, work of Jesus, of course, was. And the apostles. And the apostles was exorcism, yeah. How does, yeah, first off, how do you, how do they train you? Are you going through, like, is it like a history lesson plus like a clinical, if you will?

Like you have this sort of. Yes, it's just like any other, if you're going to med school, you're going to learn about the body. You're going to learn about the circulatory. It's the same thing. So we have demonology. We have Satan in the scriptures. We had classes, a class on Satan in the media. We had classes on practicums.

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because it's cursed. So, like, they can vomit frogs or nails or all sorts of things. And if you might be like, well, let me see what that is because it looks like, you know, roofing nails, and you touch it and suddenly you're covered in boils. So they said, first it has to be,

you have to break the curse off of the items and then douse them with holy water and then they can be touched now i'm my reaction is i'm not touching anything that's vomiting i'm calling for somebody else to come into the room and please clean that up uh we just exercise it you can get rid of it now do they stay on the ground like after the exorcism or they go away or they they look at frogs those real frogs yes yes little baby frogs was the case that they showed us they do yeah it's so They can do that. They can, they can't create, but they can make things, they can move things. And suddenly they start looking like they're appearing.

They're not actually coming out of the person. It's coming out of their mouth. Really? Interesting. Yeah, there was no frogs in the ladies. So they just tell you basics. It's like you're going to, you know, everyone just watched Harry Potter. It's like Hogwarts.

You're like, you know, kind of. Sort of. You know, you're like learning. Yes, but we're not, they're learning how to do these. things we're learning how to undo these things. Yeah, well yeah, totally. Yeah. I mean, bad comparison given what you do, but that's just what I'm saying is like you're going to learn, you have this specific, it's like college, basically. You're sitting down and are they taking you to exorcisms and teaching you hands-on,

or is it just all in the classroom? Bringing in volunteers? No, they didn't, no, there's none of that because they are always done in private for the dignity of the poor victim. Yeah. And people ask the little time, why don't you just record it so people can see it? And I'm like, because it's not entertainment. Yeah. Yeah. This person is suffering. And let's pretend, you know, you have this problem. And then you get set free and we record it and we put it out there on YouTube and five million people watch it. How do you feel like when you walk into your church on Sunday and everyone's staring at, oh, there's the possessed guy. Yeah, exactly. Like, it would ruin somebody's life. Sure. So we always, out of the respect to the individual, we do not record and we don't make it a spectacle

for people to watch like, you know, the first century Christians in the arena. Let's go get dinner and watch the lions eat the Christians tonight. You said something I wanted to ask about. Like in your training, they talk about, was it Satan in the media? Can you talk about that a bit? Because I think for an ancient practice, right, since the first century, right?

Christ cast out demons, of course, the demoniac of the tombs, in addition to a couple other exorcisms, and then the apostles are the same. And someone ran to trouble where they couldn't get it to work, right? Which is also really fascinating. Yeah, the sons of Sceva. Yeah. But what the church is 2,000 years old, but she is constantly re-addressing modern things that are occurring, even with moral theology.

You know, we didn't have to think about what is IVF a hundred years ago. It didn't exist. But when these things are born, then the church has to look at them and address them and give a teaching. So too with the exorcists in Rome. who run this training. The media is a big play in how the devil's operating. Hollywood, I would say, is controlled by Satan. Madison Avenue, same thing.

So so is the finance world. People don't realize at the highest levels of money, there's a lot of demonic going on. Television is one of those rare words that doesn't translate into any other language. Chinese is television. Italy, it's television. And what is it saying?

It's saying, we're going to tell a vision. And they're crafting the vision to manipulate us and to move us in a certain direction. We're like sheep and they're just pushing us where they want us to go. And they're feeding us what they want us to eat and they're bending our outlook on reality so that they can kind of use us the way they want to use us.

The stuff coming out of Hollywood, it's funny in the last 10 years, they're going heavy on the demonic. It's just, there was the exorcist, what, 40 years ago? And then now a sudden it's just constant. He is not a, afraid to show his face anymore, which means we're in a new time. This is a new era where he's really putting himself out there. I would say the big thrust of the devil for most of the time

man spent on earth is to trick man into thinking the devil isn't real. That's the unusual suspects. And now he doesn't care. You look at these halftime shows, these award ceremonies, the Oscars, all of them. It's just horrible. It's rituals. And the music. The music is the other big thing. So you believe that some of these media moguls of people at the top are possessed, demon possessed, and they're carrying out orders from Satan himself? Is it that? Possessed is hard to say because typically when you're possessed,

you don't have any control over your body. Yeah. And these people seem to know what they're doing. Oppressed maybe? I think there's been a pact made, and as long as they serve the purpose of their leader, they let them thrive. Yeah.

And at some point they're gonna say, this isn't really doing much for us anymore. and now we can just eat you alive. So most people can't function if they have actual possession. Possession. Yes, 99% cannot function. They lose their jobs. They lose their relationships.

They lose their housing until they're basically on the street. And then they get picked up and put into a psych ward because people think they have a mental illness. It's a very scary scenario. Unless you have somebody close to you that is actually, you know, somebody that's knowledgeable about this sort of thing. And they can direct the person to. get the help they need through the church. But there is a very small quotient of what's called perfect possession

where the individual can function almost at 100% capacity normal without anyone knowing they're possessed and that's for the purpose of infiltrating something they want. I've never had one. Okay. It sounds like a functional alcoholic though, right? Where you're like this person is inebriated.

but they are such a level of alcoholism that they'd function would appear to be normal, right? Sort of, yeah. There was a nun back probably in the 18th century who wanted to have extreme power in the church. When she was the little girl, she wanted to be power. And she knew girls can't be priests. Well, I'm going to be a nun.

And this demon came to her one day and said, do you want this? Is this something you want? And she said, I want it all. And they said, we're going to grant this to you. but then you owe us. And she became the prioress of a very big priory of convict of nuns. She was seemingly doing well. Everybody thought, you know, this was one of the best convents.

They were growing. Sisters were joining. It was doing a lot of good work for the church. But she was secretly undermining everything below the radar. And then it got weird. And I believe she thought she got pregnant. And she said it was another mac of conception. And she did grow a big belly.

And when the day came for delivery, nothing came out. And then the church knew there's something very wrong. And they brought an exorcist in. And then the whole thing was unrevealed. The demon spilled as guts and said, no, we've had her for like two decades. She's ours. Do you think this is the same? Would you say this is like the same process we see back to entertainment and media where people make that, it's a quote, the Faustian deal?

Like you have the deal with the devil, right? Where they get, whether it's an artist or a celebrity or a politician. Yes. It's like you can willingly make a deal or you can unwillingly like get attacked by this thing and then you're you're out of control, right? So it's like you walk in and you say, I want or something. The demons are very much like lawyers. So they know the law. They understand the way God's providence is set up and they know how far they can go and they know how far they can't go. And probably the best witness of how they operate in any movie ever made or documentary is, is, is it. nefarious. Nefarious is that's the real way they are. They're very patient. They don't need to be jumping in at the first crack. They take, they get you to consent to the first little thing and then the next little thing. And all of a sudden, you're saying, sure, come into me.

Because you think it's not real because, you know, all this way you're fine. And conditioned. Yes. And then when the time is right, then they do. We had Chuck and Kerry, the producers of the, Farras on the show talking about some of the, they had an exorcists on staff for the film of the movies. It's wild, actually. They had some kind of crazy amount of salt

and Holy Water sent out and like the very first day on set, the Exorcist gets violently ill and almost dies. Oh. And they're filming the show at a haunted, quote haunted prison. But yeah, that's really interesting to hear because our listeners will be very familiar with that. Yeah, we don't think we've talked to anyone who's made a movie except those guys really.

But I thought they did a really good job. I thought it was really a tough film to make because it's just basically a conversation. In one room. Yeah. But it was compelling. Sean Patrick Flehr. It was compelling.

Yeah. Yeah, because I thought, I thought they did it. That's great to hear because I thought they did a really good job. Some of our listeners were like on the fence. Like, should I watch this? Should I not watch this? But I think that. No, if you want to see how, when I first saw it the first, I saw it about four times.

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Things breaking, tech breaking. It was. Yeah, because that's one of the things we run into a lot is that, you know, technology issues and they can, how much, like, power do they have? What they can manipulate, what they can't manipulate. It's interesting, the frogs and nails, haven't heard that. How many exorcisms have you, you roughly, do you think you've, you've performed.

It's between maybe five to ten a year for maybe five, six years. Okay. But some of them, it's the same victim because I have one today at two o'clock, that it's the same person we did two weeks ago who just we keep going. Yeah. So it's not a one and done thing, like a lot of people think. I was going to ask you about what the quota is for Nashville. Yeah.

Is there like a strong? Is this a lot of exorcisms for a, no. A municipality or is it? No, we're pretty good. And we have two of us. There's another exist here, too. No, with big city becomes a big problem. So Chicago has four.

Exorcist, one of them is a bishop, and they are almost full-time. They're just constantly going. D.C., as you could imagine, infested. Yeah. Yeah. So we've heard. What would you, so let's ask you this. And what would you say?

So we're having this conversation where we're with you because we're, you know, we're two, three hundred episodes in and we're completely talking about the super natural aspects of our faith in the Bible. What about a skeptic that says like, I don't know about demons. Mental health. Yeah, this is all mental health. I don't know about exorcisms.

This seems kind of, what do you say to someone like that? And what kind of experiences can you share that? That would be like, this is real, real. Mental health is a real problem. And they can imitate each other. So some of the symptoms look the same for both schizophrenics and possess people. But schizophrenia or whatever mental illness, you're plagued with can't cause you to levitate off the couch.

How have you seen that? I've seen that. A lot? No, it's not common, but it happens. And it was very early. I was just an exis for maybe a couple of months and I went up. I got called to go visit a guy that they thought was just having problems. He was in a halfway house up by Kentucky.

I drive up. I was just expected to talk to him and just have a conversation. What's mad? Are you okay? And we're about 10 minutes into it and his eyes roll back in his head. head and then this voice comes out of like this deep guttural, uh, horrible voice, something you would expect to sound like, you know, just it wasn't the same voice. And he was gone. And then all a sudden he floated off the couch. And I went, oh, no, no, no, no, we're not doing this today.

Not here. Yeah. I'm not, I didn't come up here to do this. So I walked out of the room and told the social worker person, I go, no, this guy, this is definitely demonic and he's going to have to come to a church. I'm not doing anything here. What, dude, when the demons talk to you, what kind of things do they say to you? And do you want them to talk to you or do you not want them to talk to you? It depends. We don't have a conversation. Sure.

So I will ask a question. There's two questions I can ask. What is your name and when are you leaving this victim? What appointed date has God given you to get out? And under duress of Jesus's justice and wrath, they, usually are compelled to tell you, but you can't trust them because they lie. They're lying spirits. So we don't really dialogue with them.

When they just go off on their own, they're cursing, they're blaspheming, they're calling me names, the victim usually is trying to spit on me. You know, they're just, it's the worst, you think of the worst of humanity. That's how they behave. What is the, can you quickly watch through the process? Because what I'm curious about is, I want you to get to this, but why do you want them to name themselves? Because there's more power and control

when I can name of them and say, name of Jesus, you, Malik, leave now. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because the name is very important. We know this from Genesis, when God gave authority to Adam to name all the animals. That means he has authority over them. Okay.

And that authority was stolen away from him when he sinned, that authority went to Satan. So how many times is there multiple names or multiple demons? I've never had a case that wasn't multiple. Really? So it's like Legion. It's like the Demaniac. There's like a totem pole.

The highest ranking one is up at the top and that it can be Satan. And then there's lesser until the bottom. And the bottom one's the one that's going to talk to you first. You'd work your way up as far as. Kicking them out on the, yes. What is the process like though? Because when you are obviously you show up at a halfway house and you're like we're like we're not doing this here, but when you have somebody come to the church, what is like,

sort of quickly, what does the exorcism process look like? I know that talking to Father Martins, that these things can be like multi-day, multi-week, multi-month, depending on how, you know, how difficult the process is as far as the wonder, what is it, where do you start? And how does that, and how do you progress to removing the possession or the demon? So a case will come in either through the diocese or, somebody, one of the priests, parishes will call me. And the first thing I do is I will email a spiritual intake form to the victim and say, you or somebody in your family has to complete this for me so I can get an idea of how long it's been going on, what's going on, what are the

ways that the demons are acting out, how are they afflicting you, what's your sexual history, what's your occult history, what's your physical health like, all these things. So I get a real good picture of who this guy is and when this started and anything leading up to it that was not normal some people like well you know uh it started after i had a sexual assault on me you know and then it's like well okay that seems to be what it was but it wasn't actually the sexual assault it was the fear and then maybe they were angry at god and they cursed god because how could you let this happen to me there's so many factors you look at uh i then put them on kind of a prayer protocol If they're Catholic, they have to go to confession and renounce any of these spirits that they know are bothering them.

And then they have to start praying. And then we put order into their life. So I want you to do this because at this point they're usually not working. They're just home all day and they're just staring at the walls, watching TV, whatever. No, no, no, we're going to have order because God is a God of order. The demons are disordered. It's chaos. Yes.

And so when they start putting order back in their life, very often, when I walk in somebody's home, with I always have a person with me. Well, I can tell in 10 seconds how bad this is going to be because if the home is a mess and there's flies everywhere and there's cockroaches and the dirty dishes are like literally on the couch and there's feces on the floor from animals, I'm like, okay, this is beyond. I, you know, and back to the school. One of the things they teach you in school is you never sit down anywhere. in one of those homes that's not a solid foundation like bolted to the ground no like wood uh steel chairs nothing with upholstery or cushions because it's usually going to be filled with bodily fluids because there's all sorts of weird things practicals like it's not

supernatural right right i had one where i went with the other ex just we walked in the living room and we were both sticking to the the the urine in the carpet from the pets and i went like You know what? There's a lot that's going to have to happen before we begin this. And one is you're going to have to put this in order. Like get a cleaning company to come in if you can't do it yourself. But you have to, this can't go on because we can do our part, but this has to be fixed. So the other side of the coin of deliverance is healing.

Right. There's almost always something that needs to be healed before the demons leave because they come in through these wounds, basically. It's like the doorway. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

What is the strangest, like, way somebody could become. possessed like something you wouldn't think okay so the for me the most odd thing that happened was a guy named john who was trying to open his third eye by watching a youtube video geez now you think youtube how could that hurt somebody uh well wasn't the youtube it was the demon that was coming through the youtube video and he fell to go in him and that was the beginning it that guy was years really we worked with him for years and then he finally got arrested and thrown in prison so i couldn't even see him anymore, but that was the worst case. So you go to putting things in order, and then once the things are ordered, then is there, is that when the right process or the,

or the process of the racism begins? Between the prayer protocol and the order, more than half the cases just naturally diminish and end, because they have put their life back in order. They've established in a relationship with God, and they've gone back to the sacraments and, you know, they're praying and they've renounced all these things and that has closed it down and they're good for the people who don't get better if they're catholic we continue with sacraments with the eucharist the problem in tennessee is most are not catholic so i can't use any of those tools and that's the best tool uh so then we go to uh praying i ask them to renounce the spirits themselves if they're capable and they can start doing that and then the next phase is to

start if that still doesn't work then come to meet with me and I'll pray over you. Prays of deliverance. They're very powerful. There's a Leo the 13th prayer that is, I mean, nine out of ten times knocks them out. When you need to build up your team to handle the growing chaos at work, use Indeed sponsored jobs.

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What I don't even- That was Pope, right? Leop 13. Yeah. Pope Leo the 13th. How old is that for? A couple hundred years. That's wow. Yeah. That's really, yeah. That's interesting. If even that, maybe not even. But in some rare cases, that also doesn't get them out. But it really riles them up. And I can say, all right, this is clearly a case. And then when I know there's a demon present, I have to have what the church calls moral certitude that the demon is there.

So what they want to do, the USCB in America, that's the Conference of Bishops in America. They've determined before the right can be used, the person has to get a physical from a doctor and a mental evaluation from a psychologist. So make sure they're not mentally ill, right? They usually already had the doctor visit because they're wondering why they're feeling so bad. So that's already done.

But the psychological is about $2,000 to $3,000. So you can't tell. So you can't have like you're on an airplane and do we have a doctor on the airplane? Because we have an emergency. There's no spontaneous exercise. No, we don't do exorcism on demand. Like you're walking down in the dark alley somewhere and you can tell. You know, the Pope, at least John Paul, too, there's one.

episode of him giving, I think it was a mass outdoors to thousands of people. And there was somebody in the front who was massively manifesting demons. And he could tell. And he just went over and just did his own. And the person just kind of quietly dropped down. But normally you would never do that. Right. But the Pope, he has the full authority. What he can do? And he knows when he can do he can do whatever he wants to do. Yeah. But no, because what they're trying to do is, and this is what every victim will come,

they're telling me they're going to kill me tonight. You have to do this today. And I say, you know what? That's like the hundredth time I've heard that, and nobody's ever died. Yeah. So I'm not doing it today because then it gives them the upper hand. Now they're telling the exodus what to do.

No, we don't do that. I'm going to tell them what to do. So you can go home and I'll see you tomorrow and you're going to be alive. And the next day they come back. And I go, oh, look, you're still alive. Yeah. And then they realize, oh, yeah, they're lying to me.

So there's an attempt to gain authority, right? If they're dictating the terms of engagement, then they're in charge. Which means where it will be done. Oh, no, Father, please come to my home. I can't come to the church. No. No, we're not. There's no exorcisms done at midnight in the middle of a thunderstorm at a haunted

castle on the hill. Nobody does that. What about the physical appearance of people? Does their physical appearance ever change? Always. What language is? Always. They tend to use ancient languages.

Really? Aramaic, Hebrew, Greek. I don't know if it's just to impress the priest or what, but I don't speak most of those languages. Yeah, yeah. So I would have to record and then play it for one of my priests. Google Translate, you know, listen to this. Not with AI.

No, I would never do that anymore. But do they ever look like, I mean, we've heard some weird stuff on our show. People say, well, shape, shift and all kinds of. kinds of weird stuff and look like reptilians or whatever. Yes, the snake, the yellow snake eyes with the vertical slits or really? Yes, I've seen that many times. That's not uncommon. So their eyes has physically changed to like a reptilian.

Oh, yeah. And the bone structure of the face, yeah. They slither on the floor like a snake and it moves like their body's moving like a snake. It's not just somebody like rolling around. Well, it's like the, I mean, you think about the exorcist, right, where the head spans around, but how often? I don't know if a head could spin around. I mean, it's just sort of these things that defy like normal anatomy or

yeah, climbing a 20-foot wall like a squirrel. I mean, how often does this happen? Well, I've only seen that once, but, you know, it just just let you know, like they can defy the natural law. Right. Which gravity and things like that. Because they have that power. When they were made as angels, they were given extraordinary brilliance and power.

That didn't change when they rebelled. They just, their interior motivation changed that now they hate God and they want to wreak havoc on his children, which is us. That's crazy. Let me ask this too. How often do you run into things like generational stuff, like where there is a demonic oppression or even possession that falls a family line? Does that happen? Yeah, usually through the Masons. That's what I want to ask you about.

Yeah. I had one yesterday. Talk about Freemasonry, because I think it's something we've talked about sort of peripherally on our show. We're going to cover it, like specifically next month with a guest. But talk about Freemasonry.

Because I think this is such an important conversation because the majority of the populace sees it as a fraternal boys club or guys get together and have beers like the Elks or whatever. You know, they support kids baseball. But what's happening with Freemasonry that you... Well, they may do that stuff too. I mean, there's always...

What I find with Satan is, He always offers a partial truth. It's the hook. It's like, oh, no, see, that is good. Yeah, like the nun, you know, she's like, or did God really tell, did he really say you couldn't eat the fruit of the food? And she's, well, no, he didn't say that. He said, we shouldn't, we shouldn't even touch it.

And he said, oh, surely you can touch it. That's not sure. Your eyes will be opened and you will be like, God, well, guess what? Their eyes were opened, but then in a way they didn't expect. they realized they had horribly transgressed and were in big trouble. So he gives you the half truth and then the other parts alike. It's the same with them. I mean, originally this was like a group of guys, men who were involved in bricklaying.

I mean, they were the masons with masonry. But then they formed sort of like a social chapter to help, I guess, build community or whatever. But at some point it got hijacked by Satanists. and when they start enacting these levels of degrees, I mean, if you've ever read the, and you can't, they're very, today with the internet, you could probably get a copy of the degrees and what these oaths are,

but I know what they are from the renunciation of them. You know, imagine somebody saying, promise me that if you ever go against us or leave this order, that you and your children and your children's children bowels will be opened and their intestines are spilled down on the field for the birds of the air to eat. You know, I'm like, I'm sorry, what?

You won't say what? Right. Like, I don't know how that flies with people. Like, I guess it's just a little game we're playing. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's all cosplay. Of course, maybe at one time that happened, but what happens now is they get an internal sickness

with those organs and they can't, the doctors can't explain it, and it goes on forever until they figure out this was not natural. This is a supernatural problem. Had a young guy come in yesterday. He just wanted general help with his life. He felt like his life was off track. And this is somebody who was way ahead of his peers, you know, super outgoing, strong guy, handsome guy. Like, look on paper, he had everything going from, right? He was a White House intern under Trump. He served in a as a cop in somewhere. But then all of a sudden he just started just bailing on everything. And he

kind of gave up on everything and everything was falling apart and he couldn't figure out why. And he's like, I think I'm just lazy now. I don't know what I don't know what to do. I'm just everything's a failure. And I just looked at my go, sounds like a curse to me. He goes, what do you mean a curse? I go, a curse. I go, do you have masons in your family? And he goes, what? And I go, do you have masons in your family. He goes, I was a Mason. I go, well, we have some work to do that. Yeah. And he's like, no, do it. Let's do it right now. Whatever I have to do, let's do it. And we spent an hour renouncing and breaking all these curses through the prayers to do it. What is it the masons, aside from like you swear an allegiance that causes a, or has reversals a curse to your

family down the line. What is it there particularly doing, it aligns with the occult and also opens a doorway for the demonic to oppress or possess. There's been several popes, I mean, throughout history who've been talking about this. And I have even said that you really can't be a Catholic and be a Mason. They go completely against each other. And I think there's even an automatic excommunication at one point for doing it. But at the higher levels, and this isn't just masons. I mean, like I mentioned, finance is the same way. If you look at the levels of finance like in Switzerland and these Geneva at the banks that are doing banking for the banks. So they're moving. So people say that's where the throne of Satan is, but that's a

whole other rabbit hole. Listen, it wouldn't surprise me because that when you're dealing with that much money and influence, it's always influence and money has influence, then that's where he's going to put his eggs in that basket because why would I pick on this idiot over here who has no influence. No, if I can, if I can bend, you know, 10 million people to do my will through this guy, I'm going to go with to this guy. And I, I've said this about many of these big pop stars, you know. Taylor Swift started out as the country music girl. Innocent little writing about tears on her guitar. Yes, tears on her guitar. Now she'd be probably writing about the blood on her guitar. I mean, she's gone so dark. Yeah. Introducing the new best skin ever,

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like the overtness now of the darkness, the courage or the brazenness, if you will. Like, I mean, she as an example was telling her followers that cast spells. And then literally on stage is doing mock. The coven ritual stuff, right? Which is mock is very generous to describe it that way. You know, we would get in trouble it if, uh, went in the 80s. Well, I mean, there was a lot of death metal

and stuff in the 80s, and it's kind of hard to say. I think that's what the skeptics would always push back because it's like, the music industry has always been like Ozzy Osbourne, biting the heads off of bats and just being overtly evil, but they weren't really evil,

but now it feels like, it's more than just getting views. It feels like there is like an energy behind it. Yeah, Ozzie, I would say, was pretty deeply into sure that world even if it wasn't public and it wasn't public they didn't want it to be public yeah yeah that's the that's the one big difference the other is Ozzie was a unique taste for a group of people he wasn't a pop star was not mainstream yeah mighty stretch the fact that these

mainstream artists you know Beyonce and this one and this one and Madonna and the rest of them that's different because now we're talking about a huge this is like most of the youth of the country yeah particularly the young girls So, yeah. The attack is really on the children. That's the way I see it. Yeah, it seems as though, you know, more and more female artists are using their voices

to get a bunch of women followers to go right or left, whatever way they want. They sort of tell them. You know, you mentioned something about curses, and I think it's interesting. You know, we talk about demon possession as like a physical, you're a host and this thing takes over your body. How does cursed items work, you think?

Like things that, you know, that, you know, I don't know, something in your house. Yeah, go to goodwill and you get this old thing and it's like, oh, that's from Haiti or whatever. And then it's like some voodoo statue and next thing you know, all this stuff starts coming into your house. How does items work? So I think we kind of understand the sort of the 101 of how a person can be coming. Yeah, well, the item itself can be cursed by someone in the occult or a witch. Is there a demon in the item?

They're attached to going with the item. Okay, so they go wherever that goes. Like a hitchhiker, yeah. There's cases of, you know, I'm, their family is a decent practicing family. They believe in God. They go to church. They do what they're supposed to be doing. But they're having these problems and they can't figure out why.

Yeah. And that's when we do have to go to the house and say, it's something is happening with the house. It's here. When we go on vacation, it doesn't bother us. But when we come home, it's the back in the house. You go through the rooms and you start looking around and then you find, I had one, literally, it was a Spanish family. The grandmother lived upstairs in her own little private residence.

Mother most sweet kind of thing, yeah. Yes. And I said, well, what about this door? Oh, no, that's our mother-in-law. You know, we don't bother her. I go, well, what if that's the problem? Tell her we're coming up. And they go, well, she doesn't like us to go up there.

I go, who owns the house? Yeah. We do. Tell her you coming up. Yeah. So we go up. She has her own little altar with all her little pagan things. Yeah.

And she's putting like eggs. in there and offering them food things and I'm going to well there's your problem yeah there's an idol in your home so we need to get rid of it and you know of course the the mother was furious how dare you invade my private and blah blah I said you have a choice to make it's either these things go or you get rid of her and everything with it yeah they were upset but I said it's your it's your life you choose I well I think the weird part about the physical items is sometimes it's like they're animated They come to life. Like dolls are moving and talking

as if something is inside of the actual object. I've heard many stories like that that are so head scratching. Yeah, yeah. I know someone in my own family who had a clock that at certain hours of the night it was always at like 3 a.m. When this person would wake up

and they look at the clock, they would see the demon coming out of the clock. And they were just like, you know, the first time it happened It's like I was probably just coming out of a dream. The second time, well, that was weird. Third time, it's like, oh, hell no. Yeah.

The clock got thrown out. And I said, well, you probably should have done this first, but it's okay. You know, whatever. And then the problem ended. Interesting. So, no, they love technology. That's why this whole AI thing is frightening to me, because if they can mess with your phone and your clock and your microwave buzzer goes off randomly for no reason,

or the lights keep coming on and off for no reason, what can they do with that thing? you're asking it for input and how do you know who's talking to you yeah so thoughts yeah expound a little bit on that because this we're in an you talk about being a new age you know the bible says that like in the days of when christ will return it would be like the days of Noah right and we know the days of Noah there's this rampant wickedness and also the giants and the you know the progeny of angels these these things are running rampant and cannibalism and and Christ says it'll be like that when we come back. But obviously, you work, you know, you work with people of possession. You battle the kingdom of darkness. The way that darkness works, in my opinion, is it's, it's going

to be the same product, but it's going to be marketed different, right? It's going to look different. The same deception. It's just going to be marketed to humanity a lot. Well, probably market is a good thing. Right. So, yeah, what are your thoughts on, yeah, on technology, even AI and its role now moving forward in in advancing sort of that agenda, the dark agenda. Yeah, well, I don't like it. I mean, I won't use it. People can be deceived so easily. First of all, a lot of them don't believe in this at all.

Right. So they're the easiest target. Right. Like I mentioned, these angelic creatures are brilliant compared to us. like Aquinas and the pick of physicist or Albert Einstein combined would be an intellect lower than these demons. Okay. So it's like playing chess with a one-year-old.

They can just run circles around you. Plus they've been around forever. So they, and they watch us. They've watched man from the first until today. And they study our behavior. And as unique as we all think we are, we're pretty common in the way we sing. the way we tend to fall off the good side of things, the temptation.

They know our weaknesses are Achilles heels. Sounds like the screw tape letters. It is like the screw tape letters. And they're patient, right? They have eternity. They're not going anywhere. Until they're not going anywhere. Until they get thrown into the pit.

So the last thing you want to do is be asking a computer questions about your future or your life or what you should be doing. This past week, I saw an article. that was in mainstream media, that there was a journalist, I think, doing an article and asking AI some questions. And at one point, the thing said to it, you need to die. Did you see this? Yeah, I saw that.

Yeah, you need to die. Humans need to die. Yeah. Oh, okay. All right. So that's where this is going. Now, potentially, a programmer could have put that in there. Sure.

And something triggered that response. But it's a weird response. who would do that. Well, there's also this week I saw that you can, quote, with AI, have conversations with Jesus. Yeah, that's around for a while. And the historical figures of the Bible. And you can ask Jesus questions. And so this is a whole, you can ask Jesus questions on your own.

100% right. This is the, we're in an undiscovered country. It's hard to know where the algorithm crosses over. It's like you can play monopoly with your friends and then they bust out. Ouija board and that's different. All of a sudden, you're not playing Monopoly anymore. No. You're conjuring up.

Like, you're tapping into a completely different energy there. And I think a lot of people, what's interesting is sometimes people will play these games and nothing happens. And then other times they play it once and then they have, they have a demon that gets. What is the difference between why does it feel like it's random sometimes? Like, you think. Because, okay, because we're, we're very unique. We are unique in who we are. Yeah.

Because right here in this room, we're three white males, but your upbringing, your experiences, your thoughts, your formation, your everyday experience as you're, are you married? Yeah. You have kids. Yeah. So all of that's factoring who you are. Right. Versus me versus you.

Yeah. So we have, we can have a vastly different pool of formation items that made us. Nature versus nurtured. Our nurtures are all different. Yes. And then the angels are very unique. Aquinas says every angel is his own species. That's interesting.

That's like crazy, right? We're talking about this all the time, Dan, with like the alien idea, right? That people have this, and we talk about it in the angelic sense. Like there's this, I think we have this medieval binary view of heaven. It's like all angels are kind of the same as God and angels, right? But we look around. What type of angels? This is what I go to.

We look around here in our realm. and there's millions of different types of flora fauna of creation, right? And I think we, to your point, like you said this, I feel like we don't really have this understanding that like, if God is so infinitely creative with creating Earth in our realm here, and there's this plethora of life, why do we think of heaven as so different? And just, it's just angels look like this.

And I think a lot of it is our, it's like the Da Vinci, you know, Renaissance painting things that imprint this idea of what angels look like in our mind. But to your point, if they're all uniquely different, special, different. I mean, the angels don't have bodies. That's the other thing. And they can move because they're pure spirit, they can move instantly. So, like, imagine if there's an angel right here right now.

And then suddenly God says, I need you in Tanzania, right, the second go. In that very instant, they're there. They don't have to travel. They're there. So this is so different than the way we process information because we're only thinking through the lens of what we know here. Right. But they're not from here.

Well, we're constrained by time as well, which is a whole other, you can talk about quantum. There's a whole other element that constrains us within our space. The better way of looking at an angel is they're really more defined by their mission. Okay. So some are messengers. Some are adores at the throne of God. Some are watching, keeping lists.

We don't get a lot in the Bible, right? We just get like, angel means messenger, right? The terminology itself is not species specific. It's just job. It's vocational specific, right? Yeah. You're a messenger. You watch.

What are some unexpected things you've learned doing this job? Like things you've learned or gleaned or are, because these things sound ancient. They're old, you know. They know these languages. They've been around a while. I think not just in doing this, but in my time as a priest, I'm continually amazed by God's beneficence and his, he's so much greater than anything we can comprehend. And I think most people kind of put him in a box, like he's just this guy who maybe made all this stuff and then hangs out on his own on a cloud and he's not really involved with what we're doing here.

He is so involved. He doesn't want to come in and strong arms because believe me, if he wanted to, it would be over. Right. But he wants us to choose him. So that's the whole reason we have this free will. To use it to choose the good. But of course, some people are choosing the bad. And that's the problem with the whole way it's working in this world. Some people choose the demons don't have authority to kill us, but they can manipulate humans to kill other humans. you know clearly Hitler would have been at a high they were they were doing rituals and they were channeling I was one of my questions like they can't kill the host legally no they'd need god to say you can do that he would not do that okay but they can the host can kill themselves yes if they

convince them that they're worthless and God doesn't care about them then go ahead and kill yourself it has to be a manipulation they can't physically do it yeah so you can tell those people and those times like you know they can't actually do that to you yeah i had a kid who came in with his parents who uh got to the point of despair and and he was using drugs and that's also uh you want to call a gateway to demons it can be right because they manipulate and i said to and go are you happy and he goes yeah i'm happy i go with your life you're happy yeah i go well why did you want to kill yourself well you know, that was just probably just got some bad drugs.

I go, really? So you're perfectly happy today. Because I'm looking at you, you don't look happy. This is not a model of happiness, this face you have. It looks very sad. And it turns out he kind of eventually warmed up to me and he said, what is very interesting, because I said, God is looking out for you, but he's waiting for you to come to him.

He's always there with arms open, but he's not going to force you. If you choose God, your life is going to get back. You're going to develop a sense of peace, a joy, a happiness. You're going to like your life again. And he goes to me, well, you know what's pretty interesting. You know, when I was about to kill myself, my girlfriend lives down the block. And she had some kind of a premonition. And he's not using, like, Christian terms.

He's using, like, the worldly terms. And she came running down to his house. And she didn't even knock on the door. She busted open the door and ran straight up to his room. And when she opened the door is right when he was going to cut his wrist. Wow. And then he looked at her and he put it down. And I said, you don't think that was in some way God inspired to stop you?

Yeah. And he goes, I don't know. And I go, it's pretty coincidental timing. Has that ever happened before? Has she ever busted in your house before? He goes, no, no. She would ring the bell and wait for my parents. Do demons know when somebody with the Holy Spirit is in the room?

Oh, of course. Does it like an immediate reaction out of them? Or do that person, like, squirm? It can. When I go anywhere, I can be in Walmart and I'll notice how people are just repelled. If I'm coming down the aisle, I go, well, maybe they just don't like Catholics. Maybe, or maybe they have something that's uncomfortable because I'm coming towards them. You know, if you look at, Satan hates all of mankind because Jesus or the sun became incarnate in human flesh and now a body, one of our bodies. sits on the throne of God.

Yeah. I like how you said that in Shancho. Think about this. He left heaven as a pure spirit and returned as a man. That's right. Well, it was revelation, right? And, you know, hey, dad, I'm back. Look, I've got a body.

And they hate that because he elevated humanity above the angels. And they're very, they just couldn't stand that. And now when they've fallen, their mission is, not just, they're not just pure, they hate all of humans, but when you want to know who they really hate, go to Revelation 12. It says, now he went off to make war against the woman and her offspring, those who follow the commands of God

and witness to Jesus Christ. Okay, so even in our churches, there's a lot of people who are not following the commands. In Catholic Church, look, we have politicians that are blazantly saying abortion is necessary, and we need it, and we need marriage between two men. that's not the commands of God and they're not witnessing to Jesus

they're witnessing to the enemy right they're not concerned with them because they're in his back pocket it's for the ones who are actually living the life those people you yeah yeah you have targets on your back

this is what I was going to ask you this is such a good segue well your existence as it is is a direct of front because you're human to the kingdom of darkness but secondarily your vocation

is a direct affront against the darkness. How is that played out how's that play out for you? I mean, do you... I can tell you this just from Nate and I, like we've been doing the show now for four years and we try to shine a light on all the things

on the fringes and all the supernatural things to the hope of the people that have these experiences and turn our show encounter the gospel. That is at the deepest part of what we do. That's what we hope, right? That's great. And because of that, I could say that we get asked this all the time,

but a lot of things happen to us. Like people call spiritual warfare, whatever you wanted to sort of nomenclature. You put yourself in a target on your back because now you are a threat to the kingdom of darkness. So how does that, for you, what does that look like? Because if you're the guy they call to remove the parasite, right? What is your life?

I mean, what sort of, it's Ephesians 5, right? Like we're not to participate in the things of darkness, but rather to expose them, right? and then you go the next step to remove them. How does that play out in your life? He gets two bills from the IRS, not just one. The third reason, there's another reason they would hate me, is because I was deep into their kingdom for about 25 years.

Okay. So how do you go from there and become an exorcist? I left the church intentionally when I was 11. I was abused by a priest and said I'm never going back. And he became a priest. Wow, okay. It's, actually it is because when I knew he was calling me a priest, I said, how could you ask me to do this? Yeah.

You know how I feel about these guys. Yeah. And he said, you've been tainted. That was a very bad apple, but that's not who they are for the most part. So you need to really understand that most of these guys are very good guys and they're doing a lot of good work for me. And I'm going to use you to heal the other victims who've been hurt. Wow. And then I was like, well, okay. Yeah. That's hard to say no to.

Right. And then I was kind of in on it. What were you doing for those 25 years, though? Would you say we were steeped in their kingdom? What were you doing before you, from that moment of 11 to you going to seminary? Well, when you have that kind of problem, when that happens to you, it's soul crushing. You don't know what to think. You don't know why this happened.

You don't understand. I was the oldest of four. So I had no older brother's sisters to kind of. I'm the oldest. You're figuring it out. Yeah. And for me, I just became rebellious. But when I became a teenager, I found the group of guys that were the fun guys that would go drinking, you know, after school.

And, you know, got involved with girls too young. I bulked up, joined the football team, went with that whole group. What the wrong with that? The rugby team. It was the same, you know, just the party. And the life. And then I get to Wall Street. And then it's like times 100. So you went to finance. So you did know about this phone then. So what you're saying? Well, from the movie. Everybody has seen this. Gordon Gecko picks up the phone.

So Dan, you go to you go to Wall Street. And then how do you, what's your, where's your conversion? How did you come back? I wound up. I was invited to go to Bosnia right after the war ended with a friend who was going. And she said, you know, it's probably. not the safest place it would be great if you could come. I said I was I had just been in a Malfi and I looked at a map so it's right across the water here. No you get there and it's like a hundred years ago what it was like I mean literally very no telephones you get to go to the post office to make a phone call that's wow like these people are just working in the fields with the grapes and living their little very simple lives. But this is This is where the mother of God appeared.

And once I got there and saw it, basically it was just mostly women praying. I'm like, I don't belong here. So I'm going to get out of here. But when I woke up the next morning, I had the most incredible feeling of peace and joy and just goodness, which I never felt. I mean, maybe as a little kid, but not to this extent. And then I just made a conscious decision again. I said, if this is how good it feels to be here, I'm staying. And that kept me the whole week.

And I had to go back to, I knew we would go to church every day. So I went to confession, did a 22-year confession. And at the end of this confession, this pre. How long? Not so long, maybe 20 minutes. I mean, the mortal sins is not so many. You just say, yeah, I don't want to scandalize the Catholic church. But yes, I was living, you know,

know, the life. And like I mentioned before, we started taping, the 80s in New York, if you're a sinner, that was the best place to be. Yeah. I mean, it was just Sin Central. Like, it was just nonstop party if you want it. But this time in Bosnia, you have this experience. You come back.

Do you just quit Wall Street and then go and go to seminary? No, I include my job, but I did quit the life. So I knew I had to dump a bunch of friends that were not healthy influences. and I joined the Wall Street Young Catholics Association and made a bunch of new friends and went to daily Mass and would walk to work and pray the rosary coming and going and within four weeks

I was not just a practicing Catholic but I'm like really practiced like every day I'm getting to Mass and that's where it started this path towards priesthood and then you're like I'm gonna cast out demons now we're going all the way no that was never

you can't ask for it right No. It's easy to curse God. It's easy to be mad at God. I think that there's sort of an agenda here. These entities go into the church because if they can affect you, I think in a church, you're going to walk away from God forever because you're going to hate the church. It seems like it's sort of a magnet for saints and sinners, but also like crazy these sociopathic

entities to come in and just destroy people's lives. Oh, yeah, the people who have been hurt by the church. I mean, even in our friend groups and stuff. It's such a visceral 180 turn to, like, then they demonize everything associated with Christ. And I was going to say that too. Like, we know the most famous story in the New Testament, I think, is the, you know, the demons going into the pigs. And they say something interesting, you know, why have you come to torment us before the time? Have you learned anything more about that?

Like, what time are they talking about? How do they know that this was coming? Because the word is God. And these words that were given, particularly to the Old Testament prophets and kings, were public knowledge. And they know that's, they know, because they're smart. They know when it's the real word of God. And that was foretold.

There will be a day when all of this will be over and they will be cast into the fiery pit. And they know that's their end. why have you come to torment us it's interesting that garrison demoniac he exhibited when he was naked is that normal no okay public nudity is not normal well i mean like when you show up

at someone's house are they like taking their clothes off or whatever no okay and he wasn't at house he was in this sure he was in the tombs yeah he was outside he broke free he had chains shackles and he's violent he's violent he's separated from mankind alienated and he's naked public nudity Those are like his three calling cards. And when you look at our world today, the public nudity, it's ridiculous. Really?

Let's go. Are you kidding? Well, have you been to the gym lately? No. Well, yeah. Oh, I see you're saying. I was like, I've been to San Francisco, but the pride parade in San Francisco. They just happened.

Not just nude, but doing immoral acts with each other on floats. And families were brought with kids to watch. And celebrating the same. So the nude, the violence. Look at the violence in our world. And then the division. We were at this country, this last few years, was at a point of division that I don't think we've seen since the Civil War.

And the world, too. It's not just us. So you're seeing those three calling cards are being played in spades right now. Yeah. I've got to ask you, I guess I have one last question. Ryan, our mutual friend Ryan of Exodus Files and said you have this wild story of a woman whose dead husband came back. You don't have to tell.

He said you might not want to tell it, but if you want to tell it. No, it's, okay, it wasn't her husband. She was a widow, and one night she saw the image of her husband in the bedroom. And, you know, it looked like it was, he was transparent-ish, but she could see him.

Like enough of him, yeah. And he says, can I come and join you in bed? And she thought it was him, like coming back from the day. Yeah. And she just, so she gave her permission. And he made love to her that night. The next night, he came back and he just went into the bed with her without asking. He didn't need permission.

Yeah. a raped person would feel. But I'm just curious, it looks, so she can't tell. Or she know it's a spirit of, she thinks it's the spirit of this, a familiar spirit, I guess, but it's, I think that's just the hardest part about our show

is knowing like where, what their limits are, what they can do, the physical parts of their manipulation. But this is why you have to know your faith. Yeah. Because the first thing I said to was, did you put him in a box in the ground? Yes, you were at the grave.

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. When in the history of this world has anybody ever come back from the dead other than Jesus? Lazarus or Lazarus or Lazarus. Samuel came back with the Witch of Indoor, but that was a little different. He was mad about it. Yeah, but I mean, like, I'm not talking about near death experience. I'm talking like buried and done. And she said, nobody. And I said, so.

Yeah. You should have at least said, what are you doing here? Where are you? What's going on? Like nothing. Yeah. And she probably would have been manipulated. You didn't put the seat down.

So you need to go back. I came back to her. Yeah. I know it's not you. Yeah, that's weird. I mean, it's difficult to, you know, make sense of a lot of the weird stuff that we hear on our show. And I appreciate that you would be willing to spend some time with us and make some more sense of this. Because a lot of people, I think the hardest part is, and my last question for you would be, why is it different in the West?

It seems around the world. You talk to people who are in third world countries. This stuff is like going to the 7-Eleven. Oh, yeah, the demon-possessed lady just threw some watermelons at me and tried to, you know, It's like a not a big deal, but here it's like everyone's so skeptical. Are the demons more underground here and afraid to come out? Because I'm sure if somebody went to one of your, one of these, and they were on the fence of their faith and they saw this stuff happen,

they're probably like, I got to go, I got to go get my life to Christ right now because this is, I do it right here. Well, I mean, think about it. Starts a fire in you. This is real. We, as a, we were very civilized here, you know. Sure. So we don't think of these things as being real because that's not civilized unless you know

the scriptures and you realize, well, if they were there for Jesus' time, of course, why would they not be here now? But I think America as a whole has been pretty manipulated with just the course of action they're using as it is. They don't need to be throwing watermelons across the store of people because it's a lot easier to just like have these performers and Hollywood. And we have the mecca for making movies and music and money. They have everything they need in influencing those three parts. They don't need to be doing the little game tricks with the individuals. Interesting. But they will do it.

And I think you're going to see more of it as more and more people are walking away from God. So this is the part that people really need to hear. We have a God that made us, of love. He sustains us by his love. He has died for you so you could be with him forever in heaven and that love is waiting for your return. And he'll do anything, you know, without violating our free will or others to make himself a present to you if you just go to him with an honest and sincere heart and say, I want to know you more. Start there. I want to know you more. I want to know you're real. I want to know if you're, if you're this great God, I want to be part of your life and you and my life. And if you do that, he's going to make himself very present to you in ways you

you couldn't imagine because he always, the one thing about God is he never changes and that's the stability for us. He won't change. He's always good. But the thing we can't get our minds around is he never, you never know what he's going to do next. He's unpredictable in that way. Like, we think he should do this and then he does that. Why? Because he's got a bigger purpose that we can't even understand yet that he's working through. And again, playing chess with like first graders, that's, you know, he's 50 moves ahead. We can't see it.

Right. Yeah. But if you just give open your heart to him just once, let him come in, you will start seeing that this is a real God. I mean, I see miracles every week. I love that. And that's such a great way to live. Yeah. I wish everybody could.

Yeah. But step one is go back to him, you know? That's the true definition of repentance. Like the prodigal son, he picked himself up and turned back and headed home to his father. Well, that's your story, you know. That's my story. And that's so powerful. It reminds me of the movie Signs, you know, where it starts with the father and his wife gets in that car accident and she dies and he curses God and he hates him.

He's like, we don't, we never pray in this house. I remember that scene where I'm not going to waste one more minute of my life praying. And then this alien movie, right? but then God provides them a way to get to get out of that attack. And then the cross is back on the wall at the end of the film. And he's back to doing his job. He's back. He's a pastor again.

And I think that's everyone's story. We have these moments we want to curse God and we're so angry. We don't understand why life dealt us this hand or that hand, but I appreciate you being honest and vulnerable here and telling us part of your story. And it's got to be really hard to come back and not want to curse God the rest of your life because you're all kids and some horrible things can happen to certain people. And but it's, it is coming back and it is the prodigal son story. And it was never God's intention.

It was never him that was doing these things. And it's powerful. Thank you for sharing that with our listeners. And I know that I really like what you said on Sean Ryan show that God is a family guy. Yes. Yeah. Loves the family. Yeah.

And I think we, somewhere along the line, we've lost. that family unit because maybe our family, it wasn't what we wanted to be. And we can't imagine that it's a good family, you know. But yeah, you know, one thing, it's interesting. Whenever you see, remember back, not in the 80s, but in recent years, when you see a really amazing flash mob. Like there's one in the train station of, I think, Vienna. And you see like hundreds of people's all in sync doing something that's really interesting

and cool. like heaven is going to be like that on steroids. We're all just working perfectly together. And there's that great joy that comes out of it, even in the natural. Like you can't help but watch one of those and just smile. You're like, oh, this is so great.

But imagine that then when all everybody, the angels and the saints and us being the saints if we get there. And it's all just one big. Chorus. Yes, a symphony that is perfect. Order. You talk about chaos.

It's about chaos. It's order, right? Yeah. That's funny you say that because like that just makes you think that like we, C.S. Lewis said that we, that we long for a place we've never been. Like, I'm just paraphrasing, but like more or less that we know we're not created just for here, right? And I think one point you made this stuck with me as well is like this idea of chaos versus order. And to that point, like I think when we see order and syncricity and these things that feel ordered, like we're, I think we're drawn to that because that's what we're made for, right?

Not for the chaos. Yes. But for the order. whether it be a flash mob, which is kind of a funny analogy, but yes, I think when we see things like that, it's beauty and we understand that that is what we're meant for, not for the fallen state that we often have to inhabit here. What's some advice you would give to listeners who,

because a lot of people coming out of the new age, we have a lot of people listening for all spectrums of life, curious about whether they've had an encounter with an undocumented creature or something else that's apparent. paranormal. What would you tell people, like maybe some advice on what to stay away from, you know? Because I think sometimes people unknowingly walk into these places and then something happens to them that's horrible. Yeah. So if you're trying to contact the dead, you're going to contact a demon. Because the saints in heaven, they've got better things to do unless they're sent on a mission.

The souls in purgatory are working at their own purification, waiting for our prayers. the people in hell are not getting out. It's a locked jail. You're not getting out. So don't do that. As much as you miss your loved one, the closest you can be to your loved one is when you're in prayer. If you're at Mass,

if you're at a liturgy, that's where heaven and earth intersect at the Mass. That's where you'll be able to send your love to them and offer them your prayers and all these things. you're the easiest and most direct way to get back to God is just fall on your knees, acknowledge your sinfulness. And if you're thinking, I don't have sins, then you've got bigger problems. Acknowledge your sinfulness.

Tell God you're sorry and you want to start over. And you want to be better. And you want him to be part of your life this day forward and then invite him in. I mean, it sounds so easy, but it is easy. The hard part is. every day getting up and doing that again. Yeah, yeah. Because we can all go through these

mountaintop experiences where it's like, oh, this is so easy. Like everything's clicking and going and I feel God, what happens when you don't feel his presence? So it's called a practice. You know, Mother Teresa had 50 years of not a single consolation.

And it's what made her even stronger as a saint. There's been other saints like St. Gertrude of Helfta. She says in her biography, she only had eight days in her life where she didn't experience the consolations of God. The complete other end of the spirit, spectrum, but they both became saints. Pick up your cross daily and follow me is what he said. So that implies every day there will be some sort of a crust, whether it's big or small. But, you know,

in the Catholic Church, we always teach that because we're part of the body of Christ and Jesus is the head, when we unite our crosses to his, he can convert them to grace to save souls. So the worse your cross, the more souls can be saved by uniting to his power. And imagine that if every moment of your life if your good days are good but your bad days are better because you're actually expanding the kingdom more right you never have a bad day again in your life that's right no bad days and then that's right and then you that changes your whole perspective of life that does like you're oh you're always okay because i don't look at across as this is some kind of cursed god is giving me no he's promoting me in his army and giving me more authority yeah tell our listeners where they can they can check

I need a podcast radio show. Of course, if you're local to the area, like we are, you pastor a church in Columbia. So give everybody the- Battle Ready with Father Dan Rehill is on Radio Maria. Dot U.S. And then there's an app, Reading Maria Play, which is free,

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