Blurry Creatures - EP: 348 Nephilim Magick & Ritual Workings with Troy Brewer

Episode Date: August 12, 2025

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And we're going to get into the weird stuff today, whether it's rescuing kids around the world, prophecy, numbers, my favorite. You know, I was a great math student. You were as a rec major. You're a great math. Or are Nephilim conversations, which seem to do really well these days. And people are always digging into these ancient topics, trying to figure out how do we think about this in a modern context. So welcome to the show, Troy Brewer. Thanks for coming in.

Man, I can't believe it, man. Honestly. Three years have been working on this Troy. Yeah. Thank you guys so much, man, for having me out. Thank you. Yeah. You got any thoughts on Bigfoot.

Okay. So here we go. Here we go. Let's hear it. Okay. So knowing, of course, you know, because I'm big fan, unless. and I knew that you guys were going to ask me this. And yeah, I do have some thoughts on it.

Number one, I have never seen Bigfoot. I never have not seen some stuff, but Bigfoot's not one of them. My son and I have a pact because we go bear hunting in Northern Canada every year. Like if we see them, we're going to blast him. And I know that that might be offensive to you all or somebody else. Not at all, actually. Someone's got to drag a body in. You already put yourself in the crosshairs with what you do.

So I think this is probably going to be comfortable for that. Okay, well, yeah, I do. I have some wild thoughts about it because, first of all, I'm not surprised that people see scary things in the day that we live in. And what I mean by that is Jesus said in the last days, you're going to see scary things. And I've got to give you this verse, okay? So this is Jesus predicting Bigfoot. All right. Yeah, Jesus Christ. That's new. Yeah. So this is, yeah, I want to add something new here. So it's actually Luke 21, verse 11. And Jesus says, in the last days, Jesus, Jesus. said, and he says this, and great earthquakes shall be in diverse places, y'all know that verse, and famines and pestilence, and it says, in fearful sights and great signs shall there be in the heavens. The word fearful sights here is phobotra. In phobotra means scary monsters. That's what phobotra means. Jesus, so Jesus says, in, and this comes from my good friend Rick Renner. He actually pointed this out to me. And great earth.

earthquakes, diverse places, famines, pestilence, fearful sights. So when it says fearful sites, he says, and people are going to see scary monsters, that that's going to be an end-time sign. And so it doesn't surprise me, man, that people see really scary and blurry things are out there. Jesus said that we would in these days. Just picking up, you think. Oh, yeah, no, it's definitely ramping up. It's all ramping up. Some people aren't scared. Like, we have some people on that are actually, like, they've said Bigfoot was more than mildly attractive, like kind of like a Brad Pitt covered in hair. Okay. We actually had a weird, weird interview like that. So,

yeah, Bigfoot. Scared, Troy. Well, Bigfoot's on the fence a little bit. So if, well, the thing is, man, when it comes to things that are Nephilim, that they tend to be extremely beautiful as well. In other words, I should say beautiful, but really attractive, that there's something about them, that you just go, whoa, that's, that's so cool. It's so awesome because they're godlike. Yeah. And at the same time, they're horrifying. Every email we get is in that category usually. Bigfoot's the only thing that's sort of like, it was kind of interesting, you know.

But dog man, you know, the insectilins, gray alien, all the other things that people report encountering. It's not a good, friendly, fun. Oh, I'm excited to see this thing. It's a huge disruptor. Yeah. It'll crash your entire paradigm. But it's terrifying. You know what I'm saying?

Some people are excited to see Bigfoot. None of the other paranormal creatures. People are excited to see, if anything, it's they have sort of PTSD with it. Their whole life falls apart. Some people actually like sort of lose everything, kind of go into a, you know, a state of crisis in their own personal lives. Well, whenever we look at, okay, so on the way up here, I was talking to my friends and we were talking about the problem that people have with it in the western side of the world is that when we think of spiritual things, we did not think of spiritual things having a physicality. Yeah. And that's a problem because when we think spiritual things, we think of a poof.

Everything's got to be a poof. Well, Jesus, you know, comes walking into the room with the door closed and then he sits down and he eats. And he says, handle me and see that I'm flesh and blood. And then he disappears. Okay. So what is that? It is this ability to be able to go back and forth from a total spiritual being to a total physical being. And I think that a lot of these creatures have the ability to do that.

So if I'm looking at, so if, if, if we're going to go the Nephilim route, if we're going to, if we're going to think, okay, this got to have some kind of nephal route to it. Okay, let's just look at the different species. Another big problem that we have is that we think, okay, if this, if it's an angel, then it's going to be, you know, seven foot tall and it's going to have blonde hair and it's going to have a big O sword. And if it's not an angel, then it has to be a demon. And again, those are Western ideas of just how we kind of wrapped our head around. this, but it's not biblical. Just within the, just within the Bible canon, you can find all these different species in the realm of what you and I would call angels. And so messenger class angels, you guys know those, right? Okay, you got warring angels. You got cherubim, which cherubim are all about sacred space. Okay, so they're like sacred space angels. And then you have seraphim. Those are worship. They're all about an environment of worship. Then you have archangels that, of course, is they're taking leadership roles, right? So it talks about that.

Then you have guardian angels. You have judgment angels. And Second Kings 19, where one angel shows up, kills 185,000 Assyrians. And then in the book of Ezekiel, he says, I will send the hornets before you. And those hornets are not, they're not bees. They're actually, and they're judgment angels. They're warring judgment angels. And the Lord calls them hornets.

So that's a hornet. The murder hornets. Yeah, the real ones, buddy. The murder hornets. And then you have, you got throne angels or those are called living creatures or Zoe that are within the Bible. And like, you have like an example of that is the will within the will. That's the example of one. You have, I don't know, you got, okay, how about this?

Whenever Jesus is born, number one, they follow a star. That star class, there's a star class of angels, okay, that are known as the stars of heaven. But then, and that's a year and a half or so after Jesus was born where they find the toddler inside the house. but before that, whenever they were in the shepherds filled, the Bible says that they showed that these angels showed up as the host of heaven. Well, those are constellations. So there's constellation class angels as well. Which is whole, that's, that is interesting.

Because when you think about that, there's all these weird stuff in uphology, where people talk about critics from the Pleiades and the Pladians, and you have these different, like, and I always kind of push it aside and get these people, kind of wacky because they're saying they're getting like, you know, kidnapped or, or abducted and taken to these alien places that are in the constellations. And I hadn't really thought about the idea. I mean, because we contextualize a lot of it on the show as, you know, angels, right? There's the, that's how we can, we can sort of understand the idea of extraterrestrials and UFOs

within a biblical worldview, right? And, and then if they're, if you're saying there's a constellation type, there is a constellation. And that's interesting. We got in real quick, didn't we? We shared a quote by Dr. Michael Heiser the other day. He said, you know, angel and demon are actually very generic terms. That's right. And as you've gone into it, there's not a lot in the Bible, though, about these things. It seems like there was a pre-knowledge before. And the biblical writers knew what they're talking about. And it's kind of started scribbling it down, like, oh, yeah, the angels, blah, blah, blah. And we don't have like the book of angels. You know, we don't have any of that.

So we don't have that origin story. And then we're left to make up and fill the holes. And Christians do that a lot. They fill the holes to try to explain these things. And we're constantly fighting back in that saying, this thing is its own thing. It's its own thing. And that's fine. Why can't it just be its own thing?

It doesn't have to be lumped into this category or that category. Yeah. In the book of Daniel, it actually says, seal these things up until the end time. And so in these last days, when the seals are being broken, and all this knowledge is coming back to us.

Yeah. And that's another end time quality, you know. So getting back to the, to the constellation, you know, and the whole thing and that being attached to. Because, okay, so how God Almighty made the universe, he placed, the Bible says in, let's see, Genesis 114, it says, it says, on the fourth day, he created the sun and the moon and the stars, placed them in the firmament for signs, seasons, days, and years. So the first reason why, whenever, whenever you look at, say, Orion, it only looks like Orion to us. If you were in any other solar system, it wouldn't

look like Orion. But the first reason why Orion is where it's at is as a sign to us. It's not the second or third or fourth reason. It's the first reason. And again, that's the 14th verse of our Bible. He created them for signs. Okay, so if I'm looking at those and if there are 88 constellations on the heavens, and there are, there's 88 constellations, same as a piano, right? There's 88 constellations. And then there's 12 that the sun passes through. So those 12 that the sun passes through or the ecliptic, the heavenly ecliptic that the sun goes through, what we find is that those 12 also match the 12 tribes of Israel. So what is that supposed to do?

That means that means that within the, I don't know, have you guys ever heard anything like that, that they match the 12, the 12 tribes of Israel? We've talked about the ages of the zodiac and how you have the, we are actually coming to the end of an age. We've talked a bit about the clock, right? Yes. It's age to age and we are coming to the end of, yeah,

Which is Jesus spoke about that, right? Okay. So whenever Moses made his tabernacle in the wilderness, the Bible specifically says that he put, he put three tribes to the north, three tribes to the east, three tribes to the south, and three tribes to the west. And then it names who those are. And he says that he said, I want y'all to place your banners out in front and your ensign upon it, meaning your sign upon it. Okay?

So if you guys just do a word study on ensign, there's only two verses in a Bible that have the word incident. And this one is, it's positioned, it shows their positions. So they had signs that were on it. All right, if you take that, and if you know what those tribes are, and you know what their signs are, and you look directly up, that's exactly the way the constellations work. So Moses actually set up the tabernacle in the wilderness to honor God because it's the story of redemption is actually what it is. And before he had a written Bible, it was written in the heavens because the author is the same. Right? Sometimes it feels like when you get that phone bill, it's like the crash site document.

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going to serve the Lord. And you get people to serve that. Then you're going to set up your standard is you need to know that I come from the heavens and then I'm God and Yahweh is not and you will serve me. And this is one of the ways that you will acknowledge me and you will serve me. It was like your sigil. Yeah. It's like this is why they laid the pyramids out to like the belt of Orion. And it is like the belt of Orion. Which is interesting because Orion is, Orion is rise, shine for your light has come.

The name Orion actually means light. That's what it means. And then if you look at the name, if you look at the names of those stars, and so you have, you have like, you know, the different names of the stars, we all see them as Greek today. But before the Greeks, so you have the Egyptians, the Babylonians, the Medes, the Persians, the Greeks, the Romans, and then you get all the way to the Brits, and then you come to the Americans, which we even rename some of those. Like, we call it the Big Dipper, right?

Yeah. Okay, well, that just comes from the Hillbillies who were in the 49ers that were going across to California. Cowboy culture, yeah, man. So, man, they're walking behind. And there's got the big dipper on the back of every one of those, you know, to be able to drink water. Everybody's walking in it.

Not some hillbilly child looked up and said, look, Paul. Oh, it's a big dipper, and it's stuck. But that's actually the seven stars that point to the throne, right? It's the seven stars. It's the seven churches. It is that. And it points to the one star that everything circles and says, holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty who, you know, that's a Polaris.

That's a north star. In the northern hemisphere. In the northern hemisphere. That's right. Look out, buddy. You have the big dipper and the little dipper out there, you know. You do. Little people and Bigfoot.

It's all going in a circle. Well, getting. Getting back to what I think about. Wait, we'll put it back to this. The conversation's so interesting. I mean, because we've had the tabernacle stuff is fascinating, the four faces in heaven of the beast and we've had conversations on the show.

I think with Doug Van Dorn and the creation of the tabernacle where he talks about, those faces actually are the representative of the cardinal directions. Come on. And the constellations, which are on the cardinal directions, right? So God is telling Moses, giving Moses exact blueprints to build this thing,

which is supposed to represent his, his throne and his kingdom in heaven, right? It's supposed to be the, the representation of that. And it has constellational cardinal directions within it, which is fascinating. Now you're talking about 12 tribes having their own. Yeah.

And it's interesting, I was actually having this thought to their night, Troy, it was like, for millennia, man has spent their nights watching the stars. And yet, I think in this time, I mean, we spend our nights watching Netflix or whatever it is, we spend very little time, but that was the thing

track the heavens and the ancients were had insane like really insanely detailed and technologically advanced specific you know tracking where they they knew all that they knew not only the ages but where things were going to go and they predicted cataclysms based upon that and a number of other things and it's just funny that that I think it seems foreign to most people sitting here in you know in the west we would these things are even even were part of of, you know, and it's back to Heiser. It's part of this requisite cultural knowledge that existed. And he said the Bible was written for us, but not to us, right?

And I feel like this is all missed by so many. Okay, well, you, all right, I wouldn't plan on going this route. And I know that y'all weren't either, but I mean, you guys have got to know this. And so the stars themselves, every single one of them has an ancient name. And the original names are ancient Arabic and Hebrew. Okay. And the Bible says twice that God is the one who names the stars. So if you look up the names, if you know what the constellation represents, okay, that's the theme.

And then if you look up the names of the stars, it's just like reading the Bible. And they're like, what are you talking about? Like, that's not biblical. It is. You know, what did, what did God talk? Where did God take Abraham out to show him his plan of redemption and what the future would be? He showed him, he said, I want to show you the stars. Let's have a talk and let's go look at the stars.

And so before it was written in a book form, which is no longer being written in, in a book form. It's being written in heart form now. We are now the books that God Almighty is writing in. And someday these books will be opened. Amen, we'll stand before the throne and the books will be open. And we're all living epistles now. But before it was in heart form and before it was in book form, it was in star form. That was what it was. And then as Romans one says, but when they knew God, they glorified him not as God. Neither were they thankful. But they became vain in their imaginations and professing themselves to be wise. They became fools. And it's like, they took those things and they were taught by these fallen quote unquote angels these demons quote unquote

they were taught to take those things and to worship them so that they would have a leg up upon their own enemies yeah but i like how you said like you know they they started pointing to something else to say you know you need to worship me as a as a semi-divine being so obviously there was this age where we had semi-divine beings or nephalm hybrids i don't of interacting with humans. That's kind of been washed from like modern history. But you've had interactions with those. You've seen them. And their debate rages on in Christian circles, whether this is even a part of the Genesis 6 narrative is like humans and angelic beings kind of coming together. Yeah. You know, most of the church until very recently has been very ignorant of the seed war.

Yeah. And now, it's like a thing. Because again, man, the scroll has been released again. And if you look at the 12 constellations, do you know what the first one is? It's Virgo the Virgin. It's a virgin that has a seed within her. So it starts at Genesis 315. Same as in our Bible. And then it goes from there. The next one is the scales. Okay, so he's going to be a redeemer. The next one after that is the scorpion. So he's going to lay down his life. The next one after that, he raises up from the dead. The next one after that out of his body he produces another body and next one after that aquarius he pours out his holy spirit up on that and then it ends at leo the line of the tribe of judah coming back and ruling and

running forever wow so it begins in genesis the story in the heavens does and it ends in the book of revelation and it's all about through this seed war i'm going to overcome and i'm taking you guys with me yeah and so there's this kind of of ignorance of the actual seed war of, you know, it's impossible for a virgin to have a seed within her. And yet, there it is within the heavens. And so it is in Genesis 315, the first of the 400 messianic promises in the Old Testament. So are you feel like all the angelic beings are, you know, this, it's all one story. They're just trying to create offshoots of that story.

And, you know, whereas you look at the ancient aliens crowd on it, they all send to think that there's these other creation stories that were around before. you know, Genesis. Oh, the Samarians had it right or whatever. Like, but it seems as though that they all know who their dad is, where they come from, and they can't really create a good narrative. They just sort of twist the narrative that they know to be true. Yeah, because, because if you get into the true heavenly story, Jesus is the hero. And that's what they don't want. Right. So if you actually understand the plan of redemption that begins there and it ends there, Jesus is the conquering hero of every single one. of those things. And that's what they want to keep from us. The usurp it, right? Like the Anuma A leash, right? You have the serpent is the creator God. Come on. And it's just.

But it's a language that we don't understand. I mean, it's, when you read the Bible and you kind of get into some of the weirder stuff, I mean, a modern person doesn't know what to do with any of this. And obviously, a modern Baptist church is going to be like star signs, stars, New Age. Yeah, that's all the devil. Yeah. Yeah. It's all the devil. You know, even, you know, we were talking about different species of angels. Do you know that there's an angel in the Bible that most people don't know about that his job is in his job is a count everything have you guys ever heard of the count an angel sounds terrible sounds like that sounds like office space was the milton in the basement like someone took my stapler yeah exactly well is his name is palmanai p a l m o n i and i encourage

all the viewers just to look that up p a l m o n i and it's the hebrew word that is found in daniel chapter eight and the king james boys hated this idea because the catholics have been spent angels. The King James boys were, of course, the Church of England, and they were like, no, no, we don't want to have any additional names of angels in there. So they just call it the one. That's so weak and so pathetic. Okay, do you know what the name Palmyne means? It means the wonderful number of secrets. Hmm. Have an awesome name. It's a great name. Sounds like a band as well. So he's the number of secrets. So everything in heaven is weighed, it's measured, it's counted, and it's all supposed to glorify Jesus.

All of it is. So if you have a deity that comes in and says, I'm going to tell you about numbers, I'm going to give you this ancient knowledge, and I'm going to send you down this path. The path is to keep you from seeing Jesus. That's what the whole path is about. It's like your favorite movie,

National Treasure, Luke, you know? Or Rain Man, where he sees the numbers. I like that one too. But that's how the Bible is written. The cage does make horribly good movies. It feels like the Bible has this code, this prophecy written into it and a lot of Christians are just afraid or they're like me they're not math people and oh it just comes back to the gospels it's all we need to think about that's all we

need to know but then you have an interaction with something you see something um other Christians are like trying to explain the abduction phenomena or the big you know all these things and there's this whole group of on either side modern academia that won't accept it and then you have this whole space of spiritual Christian people who won't accept it either until you have your own personal experience and then you need an answer and then you need an explanation

and then you start going down these rabbit holes of like and it's just weirder and weirder and weirder and that's why we bring you here wow thank you what an introduction give us you know give us some answers to the weird

because the amount of creatures that you know describe angels in the Bible that's the kind of stuff that we get emailed You know, I saw this hat man in my room or, you know, just like bizarre things that Christians, like, what is that? Is that an entity? Is that a specific, like, hybrid of some kind? Or is it just a spirit? It just gets weirder and harder to classify these things. I heard my friend Dave Brian, who I'm good friends with him. Yeah, yeah. I love him. And he's, he's awesome. He's a wild man. He is a wild man. So he's going to meet with Bigfoot on top of Mount Shasta at one point. I don't like it's happened yet. And I had never heard. And I had never heard. heard of him until I heard y'all show on him okay and that was the first time and I was like I got to look this dude up now like we're we're real good friends and but I heard him say on y'all's broadcast that

there is it is estimated that that that there are 50 million species of you know you know kingdom final class order family genius and species right that there's estimated 15 5 o up on this planet we've only discovered about 15 million because we don't know the depths of the oceans we don't know you know the bugs in the Amazon. And imagine how many species there are of things fallen and unfallen. Holy, it's just like in the book of Daniel where it talks about, I saw a holy watcher come down. Okay, that refers to the watcher class angels, right? He says, come down and he laid an axe of the tree. So he's cutting down all these ancient giant trees that were portals, right? You guys know about that. Yeah, yeah. And so that's highly debated. Well, it's in the Bible. So like Devil's Tower.

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Advertise on LinkedIn. Spend $250 on your first campaign and get a $250 credit, go to LinkedIn.com slash campaign, terms of conditions apply. Schwartz have been up there. We've all, in fact, all four of us have been up there. Troy Bride's entourage. And so people are listening. They're like, they're like, well, you see, you got these hexagonal. Yeah, yeah. Okay, well, I was just in Ireland here just a few months ago. To go to the Giants Causeway? And, yeah. So it's, yeah. So I went to John's, okay, it also has the hexagon rocks there. Yes. And so it's the same thing there. And they say, no, that's not the

bark of a tree. That's some kind of hexagon. Okay. with these ancient portals that have now become fossilized, and I know about fossilized things, I'm from Glenrose, Texas. There we go. There we go. We're going to get into that. Let's go. And that's where this brother lives.

We need a seven-hour episode, really. They have blurry time. These things turn into these hexagon structures. And they do what Christians do when they don't know how to. They just make something up. Yeah, yeah. They just make something up. And then they expect you to believe it because they're 50-pound heads and they're smart when you're

obviously looking at a tree. Well, Troy, I like that. because people will say there's those giant spheres all over the you know in certain places there's one in there's a bunch of Antarctica there's some in Brazil and they look like just perfectly round you know stones and like how do they make all these are all the place it looks like a giant seed and where would a giant seed come from a giant tree or bush or something like that so I'm a big oak fall it's basically just like a you know just you know if a seed that would fall from a giant acorn but it's Portal. Dude, we didn't even get that. Why is that a portal? Let's talk about that. Real quickly.

You said these trees are portals. Yeah, it's, well, the fable for it is Jack and Beanstalk. Yeah, exactly. That's the fable, right? And the whole thing is about you have to lay the axe to the tree, which is what the book of Daniel describes when it's Nebuchadnezzar's dream. Yeah. So that you can keep the giant from coming from one place to another place.

Oh, I see. Okay. Right. So the giants came back through the trees. Yeah. Well, they're, they're trees, but they're not just, but they're not just, but they're not just trees. They're sacred space, their spiritual places where you can move from one place to another place. And the word of God describes it as all the animals lived under it and all the

birds lived in it, you know, and it just gives this metaphorical. Like avatar. Yeah, it is very much avatar. And he stole that. Yeah. It's very much. So yeah, man, when you go, whenever you look at, whenever you look at that place, there's no doubt in my mind that that was a tree. But I got a couple those in my yard I need removed, you know? Like, I know exactly what I'm looking at, you know. I've got like 10 that are needed to be removed. Let's not talk about trees. Dad's in tree stumps. But yeah, it definitely looks like a tree stump to me. And I've always thought that. And also, too, whenever God curses something or when something is cursed, it tends to turn to stone. And that principle is all the way through the Word of God. And so I think that a lot of these

giants were actually turned to stone as well as were these ancient trees once they were cut down. It didn't take millions and millions and millions of years for that to happen. It could actually happen instantly. And, yeah, and stands as a monument, you know, and we walk past it. You know, we walk past these kinds of things every day, but we're told, don't look at that. That's not what you think it is. That's just your mind playing tricks on you because we know science now and we know what that is. And no, it's all, it's all being unveiled now.

Yeah. How do you fit in these spaces for you personally? Because what we'll get to and we'll talk about is like, not only do you pastor, church, but you are on the, you're the tip of the spear in a lot of ways in human trafficking, which what we do get into. And that plays into our Nephlin,m giant talk here and also our angelic talk and all the things we've already sort of covered. But Glenrose, Texas, of course, we know that we've talked, we've talked to Travis, Roy down there, and that is a place where dinosaur footprints are are in stone alongside giant human or giant footprints, which now

are gone. Yeah, there should be signs, look at them, and they're, and they're no longer around, of course. But yeah, it's like you go from just typical pastor and we've interviewed a lot of them and we've tried to help them open that door a little bit, you know, getting like guys like Lee Strobel in here that are really good at the forensic side of Christianity of like, this is why you should trust Jesus and the stories about Jesus. But you're like, well, there's also aliens, Bigfoot, Nephilim, hybrids, giant trees, constellations and the whole prophecy code.

Where does it, where does that door open for you? Is that what you're trying to say? Kind of. Yeah. that one. Not enough coffee yet, I guess. Well, okay, so it's easy. I can define it. I played in a I graduated high school in 85, I joined a Christian rock band. And I got, I got saved and joined a Christian rock band in 86. And we took off. And I was with Word Records. And then I was with Mer for a little while. I got married. We started having babies like Jackrabbits. And I'm like,

okay, I can't be on the road all time. This is not going to be good. So we built a food bank. And in the midst of the food bank, you know, you get involved in some cutting edge stuff. You know, I mean, there's people that are possessed and there's people that have issues and things like that. But from building that food bank, we started building food banks all over the world. And I just have a knack for building food banks. And I got hooked up with Pat Robertson from the Semi Hunter Club. He trusted me with millions and millions and millions of pounds of food through Operation Blessing. And I just started building food banks all over the world.

And it was in the context of building food. banks that I was in Costa Rica. We just built a food bank. We were doing a lot of work in trash dumps all over the world, feeding people and doing that sort of thing. And this, I came across this woman. She had these two beautiful little Nicaraguan refugee children. And they were beautiful little girls, about nine years old or so. And she was talking to me and she said, hey. And I said, hey. And so she's speaking in Spanish and I'm, I'm catching about one out of every 20 words. And then I finally understood what she was saying.

She was asking me if I wanted to buy those two little girls. And then she told me, you can make a movie. Wow. And then they're just hobbits. You know, they're little sticks. They're skinny. They're hungry. They're hurting.

And I saw that. And I was like, yeah, I'll buy them right now. How much? Just this calm came on me. At first, I just wanted to, you know, I wanted to be like a cartoon and just jump in 20 different places at one time because I was a middle age. white guy that fit the profile of a sexual tourist stomping around in a really bad part of town. So she assumed that that was what I was. And right as I started to panic, right as I started

to freak out, just a calm came upon me. And it was just the Lord, just a perfect calm came upon me. And I went, oh, yeah, I'll buy them right now. How much? And she said, $120 for both of them. I reached my bill fordode, and I had exactly $120. And that means something to me, I'm talking about to the dollar, that was exactly how much I had. And I was like, man, the Lord put that in my wallet. And 120 in the Bible, all the way through the Bible, is when God shows up and changes everything. That's why there was 120 in upper room.

It took no 120 years to build the arc, et cetera, et cetera, right? It's like when God shows up and changes everything, man, 120 is there? It's number of the years, too, right? You number of those years on man. That's right, buddy. Yeah. And so I bought them, I grabbed them by the hand, went walking across.

I went, go and find my wife, Leanna, and I said, look what I just bought. And we got those two little girls in a car and they were starving and they were sick and they were diseased and we didn't know what to do with them. So I connected with another guy and he had a children's home, make a long story short. We spent the day with them that day. We fed them, we talked to them, we cleaned them, we got them new clothes. And I took them over this place.

And then we just started supporting them. Well, that was, they're in their 40s now. Those two little girls are. They're in their 40s now. They've got their kids and they have grandkids now. From there, the next time I was in a trash dump, the next time I was there, which was at Matamoros, Mexico, I knew, I bet you I come across some kids, man, that need to be bought. And sure enough, I spotted them.

Walked over and said, hey, this child for sale, yep, bought them. And then another, another. So then we started having to build infrastructure, and I'm going to tell you how all this got blurry. Okay. So we started building infrastructure, and we started doing a great work in Uganda. And we've been in Uganda now for 30 years. and then we started doing work in the Amazon. Then we had to build schools.

Then I had to start getting gun licenses, and I had to start hiring all these teams of next-level guys, you know, for all the security. And I had to start learning how to do that internationally. And then we did a huge work in India, a huge work in Nepal. And here's what I discovered. These girls that I would buy and rescue in Nepal and in India and in Uganda, all over Central America and in Mexico, had been through the same exact ritual abuse.

And there was no way that they were connected. From one side of the world to the other side of the world, they had gone through, they told the same stories. They had gone through the same exact thing. And I couldn't deny it and I couldn't ignore it. And I had to start jumping in. And what I jumped in, what I found was way deeper and way bigger. And then I had to find a biblical world. What is this?

Where's this at in the Bible? And once you see it, you cannot unsee it. And it took me out of a stained glass situation into the world that we actually live in today. That is heavy. What is it that you uncovered? What is that ritual? Well, the rituals themselves are different. It has to do with Nephilim sex magic.

And it has to do with the blood of children. And it has to do with traumatization to fracture them in such a way that they can literally be used as portals, not only for demons, but also for next level sorcerers, that they literally jump from one kid to another kid to another kid. We tend to think that only demons can possess people. But next level sorcery, that's what they attempt to do. They literally will fragment a child in such a way and traumatize them habitually and systematically traumatize them in ways that are also ceremonial for the spiritual side of it. They build up iniquitous bloodlines. So they'll go, they'll take one child and pregnate that child and they carry that on until they get to a certain generation.

and then they do workings. And so workings, you can buy a working, which is a manifold of a whole bunch of different kinds of magical things. And rich people and Luciferians and globalists pay big money for that, for workings for next level. Because at a working, man, you might get a revelation on Tesla. You might get a revelation on something that is that groundbreaking.

And it's, they're commodities. They're like cattle children. are like cattle throughout the world. And they're used for this. You know, over 8 million children a year disappear. Yeah. I mean, just disappear.

That's not the kids in the system. That's where nobody knows where they go. Well, there's like an ungodly amount of kids have disappeared into the U.S. Yeah. Since the borders were open and now, it's more or less closed. Even since, you know, there's over 350,000 children that were in our system in the four years, the Biden administration and the open borders that they've disappeared. And so we have found.

somewhere between 11 and 14,000 of those children. I just recently had the privilege of meeting with the in DC. I got to go to the West Wing and I got to meet with the guy that's in charge of the borders and all those kinds of things. And they're actively trying to find them. But when they find these kids, it's so horrific what's going on with them that they don't want to report it. Yeah. They don't want to tell everybody. And so in the midst of me rescuing kids and we've rescued over 11,000 kids now. And so we'll probably hit 12,000 kids. and we've also raised those kids. I came across this

and I couldn't get away for it. And then once I confronted it, that's when all the blurry stuff started out. It's interesting how like every single sort of walk of life or profession you have, you know, you start a podcast about trying to figure out what Bigfoot is. And then you have women coming on

in their late 50s telling about SRA. And you're like, this isn't what we set out to do. We want to figure out what this creature was. And now of a sudden we're getting sort of, this crash course and this horrific thing that a lot of children go through. Or you're a scientist or you're a theologian like Dr. Michael Heiser. You're like, I want to figure out what Psalm 82 means. And then you open, oh, wow.

Like we've missed this whole narrative. And it sounds like you were just trying to be a good old boy, help some people. Next thing you know, you're buying kids. These guys have an ancient religion that they all practice. And it goes back and I'm a Christian. And how do I reconcile?

what's happening to my faith. And the next thing you know, people are probably telling you like they tell us the weirdest, craziest stuff. And then the kids finally get to an age where they're healthy and they tell you what's going on maybe probably too, I'm guessing, right? They're directly telling you.

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okay, they took me into a room and these good-looking guys came in and then they turned into animals. They turned into monsters. I don't know what they were. And then a child in Mexico tells you that, a child in Central America tells you that, a child all over the, they all tell you, there was just, they went in this room of people, there was a whole bunch of people, they were watching, they took these children to an altar and the altar is a bed. And we have ran into altars that are beds all over the planet Earth, just like in the Bible, the bed of King Og, right? The altar that they took as a trophy to shut down that portal and King Og being Neph. Right? And I mean, that's, That's a biblical principle. I mean, this reminds me when we talked, there's an episode we did with Derek Gilbert, we talked about ziggurots, and at the top of the ziggarot was a bed.

That's exactly right. And it is the same exact dimensions of King Hog's bed that's listed in the Bible. Derek is also a good friend of mine. That's, I mean, I love him. So you started a shift, he started like, when did, what year was that when you started to go,

this is strange and wacky? Early 90s, mid, mid-90s. And there's not a lot of information back then. Yeah, exactly right. Al Gore hadn't even invented the internet. Oh, right. Chuck Missler was just starting to talk about the cell. But real quick, I mean, people will say that's the Skinwalker phenomenon, right?

So that's cool on the history channel after midnight, you know, Skinwalker Ranch episodes. But you're taking that to the next level and say, oh, these people turn into these skinwalker creatures. And we've heard that. Yep. And we don't know what to do with that. We follow that into like, I don't know how to have that conversation yet. Yep. What takes you to have that conversation?

Yeah. And then they show up at your house. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And then they show up at your house. And then you have all kinds of craziness starts happening. And you got nobody in the early 90s.

You got nobody in the world to talk to you about this. And everybody just says, well, it's just demonic. Okay. It is demonic. It's demonic in spirit. But the physicality and the next level smart that they have and the freak out that comes with it was so high level. And so, I mean, even in Pentecostal circles,

I didn't have anybody in the world to talk to about all this. So here's how we built a circle. We started saying, come go with us. And they would go, what just happened? And we're like, yeah. And this is before, you know, we discovered Michael Hauser. This is before, obviously, way before you guys, you know. But he's in a theological circle, you know.

So he's not out of boots on the ground delivering people from these things. So you're saying, just to back up a little bit, there's sorcerers, which are humans practicing witchcraft. Absolutely. And then there are demons using people as well, which are spirits, unclean spirits that are ancient. And those are two different things. And those are two different things. They're jumping from child to child almost like they just invented that new text communication where you can go from Bluetooth phone to phone to phone.

You don't need internet anymore to send text messages. That's a new thing that just came out. I think the guy that Jack Dorsey, the Twitter guy, just invented that. But they're doing that on a spiritual plane. Jumping from kid to kid to kid, what's the point? What are they trying to do? Are they trying to travel? Are they trying to?

They travel. They also to like, you know, so if they send a girl from one place to another place, they can literally portal from where they're at. You know, a lot of people would call that like transcendental meditation, but it's not, it's something like that. It's something like transcendental meditation. But it's not. It's something completely different because they actually own, they own them as territory.

They literally own them as territory. They have a legal right. A human. Yes, a human being. to own them as territory. But when the Bible says that we're temples, he's not playing. We are meant to be sacred space. All of us are.

And one of the ways that you slap Jesus in the face and you pervert all that is literally turn human beings into your sacred space for your domination, for your dominion, for your spiritual awareness, right? And yeah, that's high-level sorcery. And then I'm just going to, I'll throw this out there. And again, I know a lot of this has already sounded crazy to a lot of people. but but I mean we had next level we we had you know my son is in here I mean we had next level witchcraft come against us that was not it wasn't witchcraft in a sense of it was spooky witchcraft

it was witchcraft in a sense of we're going to set you up to die and so me and my son got kidnapped when we were in India when he was 16 years old and that's a wild story but god almighty status we literally got in a fist fight with people that kidnapped and we just whoop their butts Let's go. And then, yeah, and they're like, okay, I ask Jesus what I do. And God, I mean, I heard God say. You're like Liam Neeson, right? We heard God say hills.

So back to the story, mid-90s, you start having groups of people go on some of these missions. I don't know what else to call them. And you're starting to spread the awareness before, you know, we can all connect in the digital age of some of the deeper and more nefarious things that go on in the kingdom of darkness. Yeah. And you're starting to spread that. awareness. Yeah, and in the midst of that, we're raising these kids. So, so we're having to deal with the trauma because it's very traumatic, you know, like we just rescued three days ago. We rescued a nine-year-old little boy, okay? I'm sorry. No, we rescued a nine-year-old little girl

three days ago, and then two days before that we rescued like a 10-year-old little boy. The story of this little girl is so bad that, I mean, I don't even want to say it publicly, is so bad. And so we were dealing with the trauma of knowing these kids, raising these kids and knowing what their stories were. And then once they started telling us how they were recruited, how they were recruited and what they went through and what else was going on in the room at the same time, we started hearing the same thing. And then we started experiencing these things. These jokers started showing up. And they showed up in different ways. And I'll take you through that. People or entities or. Yeah, it's both. Both. And we're literally, you know, you hear a

noise in your room, boom, you turn on a light. Dude, I'm talking about a dude standing at the foot of my bed, and he's an Amazon witch. And I knew, I recognized him as soon as I signed because we just got back, Ben and I just got back from the Amazon, and we came across this next level witch when we always pay on money, we always become friends with them, we become buds so that they'll let us into their territory so that we can rescue kids in there. But this guy was not a cultural witch. This guy was the real deal. He's next level sorcerer. and I made a bunch of covenants with him, and I didn't mean to. I offered him my friendship.

That's a covenant. And I gave him money. He gave me. He also gave me some stuff. He put stuff around my wrist. We went into a bunch and he took advantage of my friendship. He took advantage of my generosity because he knew what he was doing. He wanted me to make covenants with him so that he would have legal rights to show up.

And that joker showed up in my house. And I'm talking about- What happens when he shows up? He's, I think he was trying to mark. murder me. What do you do in that situation? What happens in that story? I turn on the light and I went, what the? And he was like shocked that I saw him. And then whatever he was gone. He was gone. And so what happened with us, man? We went down there and we confronted him. You have to break those legalities. Yeah, exactly right. You got to break all those legalities.

I have a good friend of mine by the name of Robert Henderson. He's got a book called the courts of heaven. And I'm on a board with him. And I called him. I said, what I do? So I told him, I said, bro, this was not a spirit. It was the dude. And he's like, yeah. And he's, and he's He goes, oh yeah, Troy, I've had that happen to me. Man, those jokes show up, man. They show up. He goes, he's trying to murder you. You know that.

I called Jamie Galloway. Bro, that dude's like trying to murder you. I've had them show up in my room too. I call Patricia King. Oh, Troy, yes, he's trying to murder you. That needs to be dealt with. I'm like, what the heck? I haven't ever heard of this before.

They're always showing up in people's bedrooms. That seems to be the number one story that is sent to us in various forms. They're cowards. Don't think they're brave. They're actually slaves and they're cowards and they want to get away with what they're doing and they don't want any resistance. They just want you just to take it. But they're traveling through using people as portals to get from one place to another. Yeah. So we had this last week. We just, I just got back from Chiapas, Mexico, Mexico City. I got to speak to Mexican Congress, which was cool. And before that, we were in Guatemala and three of those guys over there, we all took tiny planes, flew across. the Chiapas Mountains. And we were actually invited into a rebel stronghold.

And this is like, what is this like three weeks ago, guys? Those two just, I mean, very recent. We always think of like punks with guns. No, no, no, no. I mean, they have their own cities. They have like, like here in the United States, I would liken it unto like an American Indian tribal place. Like, okay.

But a reservation. It's very much like a, very much like that. So the government has no authority. The government doesn't go in there. They have the own standing army basically, yeah. And so you go in there, they have a police, they have a school system, they have their own religion. Their religion is different, and I'll tell you about that, they have their own church. I mean, they got it, they got trash trunks going around, they got a full-blown market, they have their own economy, and it's 1,000% rebel controlled.

All thing. And you can't go in there. You cannot physically tread on their place unless they invite you in. And then even then, you have to tell the Mexican government, hey, I've been invited and they got to give you a special pass and they got to stamp it. So whenever you get there, they know what's happening. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And then whenever you get there, then they, so you have to have the permission of the federal government in the Mexico and then you have to have the permission of the guy that's running the place.

Just a few weeks ago, the three of us were invited in there. So we went. We did not know what to expect. We did not. And we were invited into this. We went there. we went to a church, inside this church, there's not a single pew. They do animal sacrifices and witchcraft on the floor. We witnessed the animal sacrifices. There's the three of us here.

We witnessed that. We went in there. We saw it. And when I say it's a blurry place, brother, brother, it is next level. What's happening there? Yeah. I mean, obviously, that's, that's, so you're talking high level witchcraft. We're talking about sacrifices. And people come from all over the world. Is this like, is this packages like Santa Ria? Is it packaged as it's past, it's packaged as Catholicism. But the church that they're in is, is a 500-year-old church. I mean, we went in there. This is a Bose moment. You've been there. Small talks going nowhere, but then the Bose speaker kicks in. Music you can feel fills the room. And no more chat with Danny from accounts. Your life deserves music. Your music deserves Bose. Find your perfect product at bows.com.

but it is a place where children are sacrificed where children are sold where children are abused and they literally invited us in here and said you want to see what you're messing with come here what do you see yeah what happens in those places well what we saw and i mean we had a very cordial visit nothing and you know i want to say this just a few months ago there were eight Christians that went to this place they went in there uninvited they got there to the place they were rounded up in front of the church and they were murdered and they were left there nobody went to prison over that. Nobody went to jail over that. And we were very aware of that going into that. Like, if these guys decide just to rise up and kill us, you know, we have no recourse. There's not anything,

you know, you can do. And so let me ask all this question then. How, why are you invited? Yeah. So a couple of different reasons. We're, we're very well known down there. We've been down there for years and years and years. We've rescued thousands of kids there. We have been very good to the, you have to understand that they're a cultural people, just like there's cultural witches. Okay? Yeah. They grow up in that. That is their culture.

That's their family. That's all that they know. And you can make alliances with a lot of those people and help take care of them. And they'll always let you in. They'll always let you out. If you get into trouble, they will, you know, they'll bail you out. They'll get you out of trouble. And it's good to have those kinds of alliances.

But the level that is above that is not even from that region. It's from all over the world. And so they bring in, they ship in Europeans from all over the planet Earth. They go in that church and they'll be in there for days and they come out and then they leave. And who knows what kind of, who knows? Are they doing rituals in there and work? Are they doing work? They're doing workings.

And so they actually call them workings, don't they guys? I think that some people listening probably have a, in their mind they think at the top level of evil it's disorganized and there's no like. Yeah. And so when you, I mean, you get into some of these rabbit holes, realize it's very orderly. It's very like it runs like its own country inside of a country. I mean, a lot of people will say that about the Masonic Lodge and how it all, there's like rules and there's a book and there's a, you know what I mean? So I think we as Christians sometimes think, well, the kingdom of darkness is just this chaotic mess and it's just out to kill and destroy.

It's like, yeah, but it's be very calculated in how it does that, right? And it's very religious. It is extremely religious. Yeah. And I mean, it was, It was both heartbreaking and it was terrifying and it was also eye-opening to be in there to see families that are paying these shaman or whatever little bit of money that they have while they're doing these workings on the floor of this church and they're doing blood sacrifice. And you need to understand, okay, this is where the pornography industry comes out of. this is where our whole Phytanol epidemic we have and all this drug abuses here see man when you watch pornography

you're tapping into that spirit pornography becomes a portal when you take this pharmacia when you take this drug it's there's witchcraft involved with all of that and that's why and agreements

yes and agreeant brother you know the word of God says that legally not only those who commit such atrocities but those who are entertained by it, get judged. But those who are entertained by it. You know, I, I promise you, if you're watching pornography, you're funding that because it's all monetized, 2,000 percent, it's all monetized, it is highly monetized. And if you're watching pornography, you're either watching a crime scene or you're funding a crime scene. Funding trafficking, too. Yeah, that's exactly

right. And the track that all pornography takes you down is to abuse children. Because you got to keep ramping up and keep wrapping up and keep wrapping up until finally you get to kids. So can you explain a working? Because my point of reference to that is Jack Parsons. We talk about the Babylon working, which is probably the famous one, if anyone listens or is in the space,

knows about them. Crowleyism, opening a portal, there something comes through, looks like a gray. There's this whole thing that happens where they're trying to, I think their attempt was to try to get knowledge and which is part of maybe a working in general. But explain that the difference between that

and maybe just a, I hate to say, run-of-the-mill ritual, right? Which is also horrific. But what are they doing in the difference there? Because I think what's playing down and what you're talking about is like,

let me try to do this and see, and you can correct me, but kids are going missing, kids are trafficked. Kids are traffic for rituals. These rituals are highly organized and highly specific. And they brutalized children.

It's just horrible to say being dads here, you know, but they brutalize children. to a point where they, it sounds like they're kind of stacking magic, if you will, or power to a point where they do a big thing. And is that like the working? It is.

Yeah. When you're talking about Jack Parsons and Elron Hubbard, you know, which is where Scientology comes from and all that kind of stuff that they went out in the desert, you know, to do a working. And so they didn't just go out there

with the mind to perform a ritual. They went out there with the legal right of multiple rituals. And what they were hoping to do was to open, And they're literally going after a jailbreak. That's what they're doing. And so the whole principle of the jailbreak is, we can discuss that.

But they literally want to open up a portal of hell. You know, it's Nephilim pit magic, okay, which always involves nephalum sex magic. So there was all kinds of sexual shenanigans that went on out there. You can't, I don't know how in the world you could do it working without there being multiple blood, different kinds of blood. And so they do. They stack it up. They stack it up. Instead of cashing in at one level, they stack it up, stack it up, stack it up, stack it up.

And they cash in all at one time to make a power play in hopes of opening a portal to let something out that will give them a leg up. Okay. Let's talk about that. So when you say, first time, you say nephalum, are we are, is it nephalum in knowledge or is it nephalim, are there actually hybrid beings involved in the process? Yeah, that's a great question, man, because it's both. Not everything that is Nephilim is, you know, Camara. Not everything that is nephaline like is, is involves the, you know, the, okay, it's, it's half human. It's a hybrid between something else and something else and something else that manifests like that.

A lot of the Nephilim is actually bloodlines. Okay. So it's about, it's about being hidden within a bloodline. Now, how you feed those bloodlines is you build up a. in other bloodlines and you commit sacrifices towards those bloodlines. So how do you commit iniquity? Okay, so you can, like we know that the word of God says that the iniquity of the fathers will be passed down to the fourth generation. Right. So that's a biblical principle. Iniquity is a really big deal. And iniquity is not a transgression. So we know that he was bruised.

So he was bruised for our iniquities. Jesus bled on the inside for our inside sin. And he was wounded for our transgression. So he bled on the outside for how we transgress. Those are two different blood principles. Transgression is one kind of sin. Iniquity is another kind of sin. And man, they love to bank upon iniquity. So they build it. They do it on purpose. They'll take one generation and they will defile a human being in such a way and have them commit atrocities. And then they give birth from the moment that that child is born, they do the same exact thing. They grow up that child in the system and then they have them and they're waiting for an iniquitous power play. When you say, throw me say they, this is kind of a Nate's question.

Like this sort of systematic abuse is highly, has to be highly organized. So. Yeah. So what do you do whenever, whenever you rescue a kid in Nepal that is a white girl, she's got blonde head and blue eyes and she's from South Africa and her name begins with L. And then you rescue another kid. in Uganda that is also a white girl.

And like, what is a white girl from South Africa being among these kids? And her name begins with L. And then you rescue another kid in Cambodia. And then you rescue several in Central America. And they are all kids from South Africa and their names begin with L. Okay, you either connect those dots or you ignore it. Yeah. And you go, what are these kids doing in these porno rings?

what are they doing and what is that all about so there is actually a woman that goes to our church her name is el san and she is also from south africa and uh she dug rigs actually walked her through being deprogrammed you guys actually knew dug riggs up with yeah and um and it's like what is that all these people from south africa okay those people are bred to literally to be in performance and to be subjugated to this ritual abuse. And then some of them rise up out of it and become, they're still in it, but become like these next level phenoms. And it's like, I mean, can you got to think of, I can think of a couple of other people's

names that begins with L and they're from South Africa. Yeah. Uh-huh. Well, it's funny. Stranger Things. Yeah. And her name is L. Yeah.

And she has this tele. I even think about, we had that episode with Dr. L. and she's from South Africa. And they just call her L. and she's from South Africa. I want to tell you, I was driving down the road with Ben when I heard that.

I nearly wrecked. It was the first time I had ever, ever heard of anybody else. We kept coming across them all over the world. Troy, that stuff is like,

I mean, for the normal person, other than the normal Christian, who has even somewhat of a supernatural worldview, right? Because as Christians we do, wherever that lands,

this stuff is so very hard to still believe in some ways. I mean, it's hard for us. It's hard sometimes to be like, man, the dark is so dark that it feels like you kind of have this cognitive dissonance where you're just like, okay, but I believe that,

but do like getting there is a whole other thing to be like, yeah, that's 100% happened. It's like, wow, I mean. Our show, I feel like we started in some of these weeds and we had to have a lot of talks together of like, I feel like there's this truth that's supposed to come out via blurry creatures that isn't sort of what we signed up for.

But it was like, you know, you jump in the weeds with Dan Deval or something. He starts saying, you know, the soul's fractured to seven. And we're just like, whoa, what is? We just asked you about Bigfoot. And now we're over here. And I think that we've tried to bridge the gap between what you do and the average truck driver out there listening to this podcast driving around going, okay, I'm ready to hear and learn these things.

Like, yeah, the pre-confessional is Tony Merkel driving truck, as he always says. But, you know, but it's so hard to jump down. So we kind of peppered in here and there. But we're with you. I'm not sure if our listeners are. I think a lot of them are. But it's so hard for even us, even now five years into this to go, I don't really understand how that works.

I can help you. Okay. The depravity of evil is so hard to fathom. You cannot be impressed with the evil. No. You cannot be. You have to, you have to resolve. No matter what I learn, I'm not going to be impressed with it.

I've had to actually repent. to the Lord so many times because I was just so impressed with the evil. And I mean, just so blown away at it and just went, God, I don't even know what to like, no, no, no, no, no. I know the Lord. And we're just, and where sin does abound, grace does much more abound. This has always been going on. It's just, I'm just now becoming aware of it. And you answer evil with the goodness of God. And I want to tell you, man, dude, we raised these kids. We've raised over 11,000 of these kids. And they don't just bounce back. They become rescuers themselves. They become doctors and nurses and lawyers. And, you know, they run and play his kids and they excel and it's like you know that's not a humanitarian effort that is

the goodness of the lord actually answering this yeah so the grace where you find yeah it's no it's it's bad it is but again the lord is doing something that is so much greater it's just we're slow and catching up with it yeah and um we got to get with the program yeah but it's hard it's hard to like to mentally shift there and to get there and you need people like you that kind of go all right I don't know you're going to be you're going to doubt this happens but i'm in the front lines as let's go back to your story though in the 90s oh we just started once we started rescuing kids and once that became the reality and then once we had to you know it's one thing for it's one thing Nate for god to show you something it's a whole other thing for you to conform your life to the image of what god

almighty show you and those are two different man pajamas and so it's like well i guess this is what we're going to be doing for the rest of our lives because you can't just raise them for a month, you know, and you also don't know if they're going to stay with you until they're 20 or 25 or if they're going to want to leave when they're 18 or 17 or whatever that is. It's very, very, very relational. And what we started doing was we started instead of, I found it very easy in my 30s and 40s to rescue kids all the way up until I was around. Until I was a I'll be 59 this year. And then I switched.

And then I switched and we started rescuing rescuers. And boy, you talk about, if you want to find out how real the blurry universe is, just start developing relationships with next level people that rescue kids all over the world and the stuff that they've come across and the things that have followed them home and how they have dealt with it and how they have stood and how that they have had a resolve within their life to say, I'm not going to be crazy. I don't have to have everybody understand. I just know this is real and I know who Jesus is to me. And I'm not going to, I'm not going to live terrified or, or, or just be afraid. I want to take on hell with a water pistol.

Yeah, I mean, you can once you, yeah, I was thinking once you open that box, you can't, you can't put that back in the box. No. There's no way to do that and try to like live your life as, you know, senior pastor somewhere and just say, well, that was, that was a fun experience. Do you feel like ancient people kind of understood these, this paradigm, this. this worldview, this knowledge better than modern human beings. Like they just kind of knew what team they were playing for and they kind of knew the rules of engagement. 10,000 percent.

And I want to tell you what I think happened. I think after the dark ages, okay, once we came into the Renaissance period and, you know, I love timelines and I love trying to wrap my head around timelines and how things work like that. I think coming out of the dark ages and coming into, you know, the Renaissance. period and all that kind of stuff. There was a global shift of everything that we've been talking about was reduced through expressive art into fables and myths. And there suddenly became a secular category to put all these things in. And it went into fables and myth and the whole

mythos of all of this stuff. And I think that everybody wanted to become secular. There was this huge secular thing, you know, that comes from the French Revolution and just the whole idea to secularize everything. And it also went over into Christianity. And I want to tell you the criticism that you get and the criticism, what's, I want to say this about my criticism. A lot of my criticism is pretty good criticism. People say, hey, man, you know, you said this wrong or you did that wrong. And I go, oh, yeah, I did. Well, I'm on the journey like anybody else is. And I'm not trying to get everything perfect. I'm just trying to bring Jesus. And I'm also too just trying to I want to bring victory in all these things I cannot stand hopelessness

I cannot stand I can't stand it I'm yeah I hate it and so um but um a lot of the a lot of the criticism that I get comes from a large section of Western Christianity which is completely secular they're secular Christians they believe in all things supernatural once you die and they believe in all things supernatural a long long time ago but they don't don't believe in anything supernatural right now. They have taken a secular stance, and I'm sorry to say this, but in the name of being a 50-pound head. And so to be able to be able to bring something reasonable, because these things that are being unleashed upon all of us now are not reasonable according to the paradigm and the logic that we've had in the past. Well, I think in the dark ages,

you had belief, you didn't have access to knowledge. And I think you have a lot of modern theologians that are overwhelmed with the amount of data that's coming at them. So they go back to more of a very strict, we just have the, you know, the creeds and we do this and the Bible's black and white and we stay on the gospel. I don't think there's a, there's like a pushback because it's like every conspiracy theory in the last five years that's hit the, that's hit the internet, right? Now I have people believing in some crazy, wacky things. I think people are afraid, well, if I believe one of those is true, I'm going to believe all of them are true. Dominoes are going to fall. So I'm just to go back to a more strict, you know, very, very reformed

version of Christianity or something, not to pick on the reformers. But you know what I'm saying? Like, like a black and white, I'm going to yell at the gates of it's all black and white. I'm going to kind of think of all Christians that talk about blurry stuff, sort of wacky and in the weeds. But I mean, even this interview, I will say, like, it's hard for us because we could go any of one directions. Maybe some listeners are frustrated about us. That's hard. Yeah. Because it's like, soul splitting, Bigfoot, dimensional creatures, Nephilim's magic pits. Like, you know, we could go down any of these rabbit holes for hours. And it's hard for us to know because we've, we've sort of peppered this on our show over the years. Which direction do we go at Troy Brewer? I don't know. We could go anywhere.

Well, the hope is that we do this again so we can narrow it down. It's really hard to, though. You know what I'm saying? The listener, the mindset, the ancient would, ancient person would be able to kind of hop into this conversation. They're like, oh, you guys got that wrong, actually. This is what actually happens. You know, they knew more about the framework of deities. They had sort of the understanding of the dictionary of deities and demons. Back then, they knew all that knowledge. They just had a different interpretation of what, who was at the top, I guess, right?

It was like the de-enchantment. I mean, this reminds of an memory we did recently about sort of the Renaissance and the Enlightenment period was the de-enchantment of reality, right? And I think what we talked about Heiser, the things that Mike was trying to do was sort of with that vernacular we're trying to sort of re bring the enchantment back if you will to our understanding of our faith

like that there is this very real realm as Paul talks about us but you're saying these scrolls are unlocking now and this knowledge is coming back but there's been a time when it wasn't well part of it okay so look there's obviously a carnal part that this could go into when it comes to our curiosity of such things but our curiosity is not dangerous

It is childlike, and that is how you approach the father. That's how you approach him over and over and over again. It's like, oh, well, Jesus would put things like this. He would say, you've heard it said, now I say unto you. Yeah. Which means, okay, get ready, because I'm fixing to blow your mind. And I'm going to ramp this up, and I'm going to change this again. And Jesus does that over and over again.

And if I can bring up something here, we were talking about, whenever we were talking about, you know, the seed war, and when it comes to Nephilim things, when it comes to, okay, there is the hybrid thing, all of that kind of stuff. One of the things that will happen in the end times, specifically during the tribulation, is that a big portion of the world will be attacked by, quote unquote, beasts. Yeah. Okay? Beast in the Old Testament are not animals. They are this hybrid thing.

So I want you to listen to that within that context, okay? So when it comes to the beast, here's what he says. In Ezekiel, he says, so will I send upon you famine and all evil beasts. This is Ezekiel 5 verse 17. And they shall bereave you and pestilence and blood shall pass through thee. And I will bring the sword upon you. I, the Lord, have spoken it. One of the judgments that God brings is this beat.

Now, we know that, you know, the mark of the beast, 666, we know that to be the The anti-Christ, the ultimate hybrid fusion, so much so that they can claim humanity no longer was created by you. Now humanity has been created by us. And I actually think that the mark of the beast makes you unredeemable. I think it changes your DNA to a point to where you are no longer of the bloodline of Adam. I was going to ask you about this. I'm going to ask you about it. Like, you know, in the darkest of dark spaces, which really is a human trafficking space, right?

this, this, uh, subjectifying of, of humanity, of the, those that bear the image of God. Um,

are you running into, you know, anything Nephlem hybrid in, in these spaces? Because we've had stories. We had a story with a, with a woman who, uh,

told a story of, of a girl being kidnapped in Thailand and being brought to a giant. And this was, this was a girl she ran into that would, she was rushing from trafficking. And, you're saying that, It's a beast.

Yeah, it's a beast. Yeah. If you run into these things, I mean, because we know that the Bible says that Jesus says that in those days will be like the days of Noah. And we talk about, this is a lot of our show is like, we return to this time of antediluvian times where, you know, the god kings come out. The god kings walked among and, you know, these were, there was the, you know, it was these demigods.

It was the Hercules and the like that we, that a bit, you know, you. even said relegated to mythos now but we are we are we are you running to these things out in the wilds that are that are that are and they're out there um yeah yeah couple of times okay so let me tell you about it so i want to ask schwartz if you would look up that scripture was that scripture in exodus okay in exodus 23 i got to tell you this because this is in context of what all we're talking about he says this this is what god tells him he says look i'm not going to let you immediately just run everything out of the promised land. He says, and he gives them a specific

amount of time. And he said because, and then he says this to them, because the beasts there will multiply and they will take your children. Okay, so wherever you see child trafficking, which I'm just going to throw this out there, and I think that the very first form of all

human trafficking is Genesis 6. They took one of themselves wise. When you see, okay, when you see these things, when you see a spiritual being, which is created by Yahweh himself, created by Jesus, all things are created by him, whenever you see a spiritual being and whenever you see him multiplying among human beings, which means that our DNA among the sons of God in us must be compatible. It has to be compatible. So dogs and cats are not compatible. So I mean, we're very compatible,

which means they have a true physiology. And so again, that's another stumper for us. Well, yeah, but they're poofs. No, they're physical angels. Well, that's sort of the Gnostic view, right? There's a lot of Gnezzism creeped into the church where... Maybe there could be some poof angels, right? There could be some. Oh, absolutely. No, no, no. There are spirits. There are, there are spirits. There are, there are spirits. There are, there are spirits. There are, there are always looking for angels, but they're just poof angels, right? So no, no, there. And like, there's a seven spirits before the word. There's, there's, there's spirits. And then, of course, there are demons, right? That actually possess human beings. And those are, they're always looking

for a noun, man. They're always looking for a person and play sort of a thing. That's what they're always looking for. I like that. But there is, but there's also others within that God Almighty has created that has a physicality. And there are others that can go back and forth between having true physicality to also to not having physicality. And,

what you see that's like if we're talking about quantos, it'd be interdimensionality like where you, because Jesus does this right? Is it just the technology though? Is that just like a tech? It could be, it absolutely could be tech. But.

I don't know that it's just not a part of their physical characteristic that they can actually do that. And I think that that's another species within all that, which is why there's never been a big foot body found or at least one that the government has done. Yeah. Until the brewer boys go hunting, right? The problem with that is I really think that they can fade in and out. I think that they can be physical and I think that they can be spiritual. And I think that they can take on the forms of other things.

And so if you end up jacking one and if you're out there like, hey, I spot one. Also, they tend to, if you, you know, stories I've heard is I looked at him in a scope and it turned around and looked back at me and I was 500 yards away, which I've got my own story of that. It's not a Bigfoot story, but me and Ben have our own story of that. And of it being hundreds of, this thing we saw being hundreds of yards away and it knew when we were looking at it. But it has an awareness of what we're aware of, right? The problem is, man, if you shoot one in his physical form and you drop it, that don't mean that there's not 20 more standing around there that you don't see. Yeah. You better get the heck out of Dodge. What I said. Clever girl. Oh my gosh. Jurassic Park.

Yeah. Come on, man. Yeah. So, yeah, they're going to be there. So here's the story. Yeah. Yeah. Here's the story.

In Chiapas, Mexico, we rescue kids there and we do a big work there. We have a big ranch down there. And that is the very place I was just telling you about where this stronghold is. And, but this is. away from there. Within a shadow of where we have built this rescue center for all these kids is the largest Mayan pyramid on the planet Earth. It is, it's, you guys need to come go with me down there. I will. Because it's privately owned. It is the only privately owned pyramid. And I know the dude that owns it. Did he let you run to the top? It's the largest, it's the largest in the world.

And it's a Mayan pyramid. And we're literally rescuing children. and raising children in the very shadow of where so many kids and so many human beings have been sacrificed there. It's just, it's just an in-your-face move, and I love it. So we're down there. Well, these guys that do our rescuing and they're also pastors, and they're like apostolic dudes, they're over all these other pastors, all over Mexico and Guatemala and all this stuff. They have this mountain, and they call it their prayer mountain. It's where they go to pray. And it's this beautiful garden, just gorgeous. And we come pulling up there, and there's like, I don't know, I'm going to say maybe 60, 70 people, and they're praying and they're so happy we're there.

And they want us to preach to them and they want us to share a word with them. And then they want to pray. Okay. Well, they don't, they don't speak English and I don't speak Spanish. And so it's, you know, you go through the whole thing of men. It's a beautiful setting. The Chiappas Mountains are just, the Chiappas Mountains are 18,000 feet tall. So they're 4,000 taller than the Rocky Mountains.

Right. So they're just massive. And it's a beautiful spot. So I get up there and I preach a little bit and it's well received and these people are such precious, beautiful people. And then Ben actually got up. Ben gave a word and I'm sitting there. So they're like, okay, well, we want to pray for you. Well, when they say they want to pray for you, it's not like a polite American prayer.

And they throw down and you might be there the rest of the day. You might be there four hours. You have no idea because they're all going to pray for you. And then one after another after another. another. And so they literally sit you in a chair because it's going to be the rest of the day. And so I sit down in this chair, one after another man, they start praying. We're just, everybody's praying, man, they're getting in the spirit. They're losing their minds. And I'm just, you know, so because I don't speak English, I mean, I'm barely speak English,

but because I don't speak Spanish, there's not really nothing to do. So after you pray for a while, man, I receive it, Lord. Yeah, you're just like, yeah, that's just kind of what you do, man. You just kind of just sit there and you let them pray and you're just like, yes, Lord, and you just kind of mind your own business and everything's cool. Well, I'm kind of, you know, going through this. I'm looking on this ridge that is around me, I'm just thinking, because I like to draw and I like art, and I'm thinking, if I drew that, I wonder how I would draw that. Yeah, I would definitely draw that part right there. And I noticed this one big tree that was on the top of this ridge, and I thought, man, that's

interesting that there's only one tree there on that bald ridge. Like, that's crazy. And then I went back, and I prayed for a while, and then they prayed for me, and I'm there, and I'm doing my own thing. And then I look back up maybe 10 minutes later, and I'm like, dude, there's two trees there. And I thought, that's weird, because I would have swore there was only one tree. I was like, no, I know for a fact, there was only one tree there. And I'm like, now there's two trees there. And this is a big tree. It's not a five-foot tree.

This is like a 20-something footer, right? And I'm looking at it. And I'm going to say it's maybe 500, maybe as far as 700 yards. away, something like that. And I'm looking, and I'm just wondering, where did that tree come from? That tree wasn't there, because by now I've been sitting there for... You know, the topography pretty good. For hours, you know?

Yeah. And I'm just kind of going, where did that tree show about it? All this ADD people understand exactly what's happening. Thank you. Thank you, my friend. We're just like sposing out. I know that tree over there. Oh, sorry.

Hey, guys. How you doing here? I love you. That's part of my world, man. What kind of is deciduous conifer? And then I'm like, I'm looking at this thing. And I thought, what, where did that tree come? What the heck is that tree all about?

Yeah. Like, it wasn't there. And then as God is my witness sitting right here before you guys, this thing suddenly changed in an instant. And it had two arms and it had two legs. And it moves over about 15 feet and stops and turns back into a tree. And I'm just sitting there and I'm looking at it going, what in the wide, wide world sports did I just see?

And I'm like, okay, Lord, I'm in a, we're in a holy place. I'm in this, they're praying. And I'm thinking, you know, you don't have a grid for it. It was a tree. And the tree turned into something else and moved and turned back into a tree. And I was looking at it. And I just was sitting there. And as we were praying, I said, I don't know what you are, but I see you.

And we're not leaving. We're here to stay. And we're going to rescue kids. and it turned into like a dude. It turned into, it had two legs, it had two arms. The arms were longer than what they should be. It was like a strong man. It had big shoulders.

And it started bowing up. Started making like threatening gestures. And I'm just sitting there looking at this. I'm like, no, no, no. And then I got total peace. Everybody's praying for me. And I'm eyeballing this thing. Now, my son was there one of the first.

of my executive pastors was there. His name's Jerry and some other guys were there. And I just begin to speak to it and I promise you it knew what I was saying. I promise you it knew as soon as I tell him, I see you and I don't know who you are, but you know what, there's a new sheriff in town. Jesus is here. We're going to rescue kids here. I mean, he just, he's like, oh, really? He's like, you know, and he started doing this threatening thing like he was kind of rocking back and forth in a weird way with his arms down. Something kind of guerrilla like. but I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, devil. We're here.

And there's, so I, I think he was actually spying on what the prayer was that these guys were praying. I think he was actually looking on that. So my son was there and he's just off camera here. And I called Ben. I said, Ben, I said, turn around and look up there and tell me what you see up there at the top of this, up that ridge. And he said, dad, I'm looking at a giant. I said, I know. So I've been looking at him for a long time.

And he's just like, I'll be dang. He's like, man, we knew it. We knew it. And dude, I was like, watch him, watch him, he'll trans. He'll change, and he did. He changed back into where you couldn't tell the difference between the one tree and this thing that we're looking at. It looked exactly like a tree. And then it would change and it would move forward.

It would move backward. It would move to the side. And then he turned into like a, he turned into like a person again. And he leaned way forward. And you could tell, man, he was like leaning forward. And he's listening. And he was listening to me. he's listening to this prayer.

So I called, and this was not a fleeting second. This goes on for like 20, 30 minutes. Okay. Multiple witnesses here. So this is, yeah. So I called Jerry over. And I said, Jerry, do not freak out. Do not panic.

But I don't want you to turn around and tell me what you see up there on the top of that bald ridge. And he turned around and Jerry B and Jerry goes, it's a freaking giant. Oh my gosh. And then the thing goes like this and it turned around and walked off the ridge. And we're like, wow. So after they all got through praying for us, I just asked them. I said, hey, which by the way, at the hotel that we're standing at, Swartz has been there with me.

There is a giant footprint in a rock. They have, and they put it in the floor of the hotel. They're like, yeah, there's giant tracks all over this place. Wow. And so I'm like, okay. So after all these guys get through praying for us, I'm like, hey, have you guys ever seen a giant? Do you guys see giant? And I went, oh yeah, there's one that lives on top of that mountain right over there.

Let's go. Come on now. And I'm like, wow. So I know it's connected with that child sacrifice. I know it's connected with the cartel. I know that it is connected with how children are trafficked there. I know it is. I don't know how it all works, but I know it showed up to listen to the prayer that these cats were praying over me.

That's wild. Do you think they're still doing rituals with that pyramid there? I don't know if they're still doing rituals there or not. The guy actually towed us, and he told Schwartz as well, he said, you know, you guys need to come down. He goes, he said, there's one day of the year that you can come to here. And he said, if you want to risk it, that if you get up there on top of that pyramid, he said, the stars will come, the stars will come down and turn into people. And he said that when he was a kid that they brought a Catholic priest there, his daddy brought a Catholic priest there, right? It wasn't his dad.

Brought a Catholic priest there, and he got up there and started, you know, brought his smoke on a rope and started doing his thing. And they came down, the stars came down, turned in, told him said, get off our property or die. Wow. And they left. Weird because there's some stories of like, I remember there's one like in the 90s. A youth group filmed, a Bigfoot on a Ridge, and he was acting the same way.

Can't remember what it's called, but it was a pretty popular 90s, like, video. And then there's that real famous one that happened this last year. on social media, the guy that the guy that city saw this giant, and he has, he films it behind him, walking down the ridge, and then this dude disappears, ends up, and then he ends up committing suicide, allegedly. That one was controversial,

but there was, there's always those ones that come out of Mexico where there's like a big being on a ridge, and then it's always like some blurry footage, but definitely that Bigfoot footage was legit, and it was sort of acting angry. Like it was, like, the Bigfoot will sit it, They kind of sway back and forth.

That's exactly what it was in. It's like they're pissed because you're in their territory. And they're very territorial, we know, with the way they mark everything. And that's a nerdy Bigfoot language there. I never expected to see that. And honestly, I wasn't going to tell anybody about it. I was just like, okay, whatever. I mean, among our own, I mean, we see supernatural things.

And that goes into a supernatural file for me, even though it was a, it had physicality. And it could change. But that was very much like a, it just, you know, you see weird stuff. And I mean, I don't know. I wasn't going to talk about it very much. And then I was at the NRB and Tony Merkel was there and I got all excited. I went, dude, I saw a giant one time. And it went viral.

And I was like, oh, man, dang. I don't want that to go viral. Too late now, brother. I remember, you know, a couple people early on in my Bigfoot days looking, they were describing there's something different between a giant and a Bigfoot sighting encounters. And at that point in my life, I had only heard Bigfoot encounters. I had no paradigm of understanding what a giant was or even if that was a thing.

And it was like that was the key turning in my mind to go towards Heiser and some of these other things to go, okay, people are encountering mountain giants. This is like a thing. The footprints are massive. They almost seem to come out of the ground. There's a couple of videos where like stones were like closing and people saying they go in and out of the like trolls like Lord of the Rings. Yeah. And so there's still rumored. A lot of people on our show

to say they've run into them in Solomon Islands, Canada, swamps, Louisiana. I mean, it's not a, you know, obviously in these places in the world that are ancient and there's some defilement going on long ago. They could exist there. I know it's wild to some people, but. Yeah, well, you know, it is until you see one.

Yeah. And then it's just like a shapeshifter, though. Yeah, but this was very much like a shapeshifter. And so it literally would change his physical. And I mean, I got a, and I think it's, which we think is bananas, but I saw this, this, I'll let you talk. I was just like this ad for watches. And it was a chameleon going over the different color watches and it was changing colors. And you're like, we, we can conceptualize that. Like this lizard can change colors based on the, you know, the watch that it's standing on, but a giant changing form. You know what I'm saying? It's like there's sort of this divorce and that spiritual. stuff happens all the time around us. Things we would say were supernatural, you know, fireflies buzzing in the backyard.

These animals that change shape and color. But this, but your story can't happen to a lot of people for some reason. Yeah. And that's okay, man. I mean, I, I mean, I want people to think I'm cool and I know that that's not going to make people think I'm cool, you know, it's going to think I'm, but, but here's a deal. You argue with the fruit. The reality is we have rescued over 11,000 kids and a bunch of them within that

area and there is a regional deity there. There is next level witchcraft. There is all of those things that people come from all over the world. Christians don't believe in it, but luciferians believe in it, and they come from all over the world to practice magic in that place because it's a portal. It's a powerful place. And, you know, when Jesus gives you the commandment to go into all the world and to put your foot on the actual ground, he doesn't say, hey, man, you know, you ain't going going to see anything that you haven't figured out or you're not going to find anything weird or Don't worry, you're always going to be safe. Don't worry, it's always going to be safe.

It's not safe. Do you think they're looking for the same thing that someone who sets out to find Jesus is trying to find? I think they have the same desires, Luciferians, trying to find something fill that hole? Yeah, I think for a lot of people, I think that there's a lot of stages that go with that because you have to be subjugated. The higher up you go, the more and more and more and more you give up. of yourself. It's a perverse understanding of how that we died across daily. You know, how you, how you move up, you know, the weight of the king's throne room is through the servants' quarters,

right? And it's very much, it's very much the same way with them. I think a lot of, a lot of those people are invited in because they have talents. They have, they have abilities, those kinds of things. A lot of them are invited in because of those iniquitous king bloodlines. They're like, no, you're in the family, you know, and you have to be a part of this. Some people perceive, do it and they get in. And I think that that original pursuit is to simply find meaning to find, to, you know, to fill the, the God-sized hole that is in everybody. But it's simply, it will quickly, the, these entities, they have a hole within them

that only you can fill by being their slave. And they want you in every single way. They want to see, they want to hear you scream. They want to, they want to, they want to, they want to see you. And they want to laugh at you because you've actually served them. I had a since I'm telling crazy stories. I'll tell you this. The first time that we had a when we first started going to Uganda, when we first started going,

my wife and I, we went to Western Uganda, which we have a house there now and we're there because we're there three or four times a year. And we have tons and tons and tons of kids. I have over 900 kids that have my last name. And it's not because I'm the most fertile dude on the universe. You know, and I've been out jumping the fence. It's because they ask for my name, you know, and I will never tell a child no. Like, okay, I'll be your dad.

I sure will, and I'm going to love you. A lot of brewers out there. There's a lot of brewers out there. More so than Milwaukee, probably. I have, yeah, I have four biological children. I have eight biological grandchildren, but outside of that, and we have so many kids, I mean, they're all over the world. They're every race.

They're every culture you can imagine. And just a cool thing, man, that the Lord has done for me, my kids have never been mad at me for that. They've never been jealous over that. And it's really supernatural. And my kids have always thought it was hilarious that they had brothers and sisters of every race and every language.

And they all have their own regions of the world that they like to go to. Like my youngest son Luke is on his way to Indonesia. Yeah, that's a style. He's on his way to Indonesia right now, man, to meet his mama. Leanna's in, she is in Indonesia right now. And, you know, he's 30, what is he?

He's 32. Yep. And so, anyway, way, we have, whenever we first went there, the first time that we went there was in 1990. It was the first time we went to Uganda. And, dude, Uganda was at war. Yeah. And Edia Amin had just finished up over there.

They were at war with Congo. Then it was called Zaire. And I was totally ignorant. I mean, I'm from Johnson County, Texas. You know, it's like, it's totally ignorant. And we went because we had met a guy that that pastored there and he invited us and so I went, man, let's go. Let's just go over there.

When we got over there, we got in the midst of a war zone and I'd never been in a war zone before. And we experienced things that totally changed our lives. We found a little boy while we were there that lived on the streets. And his name was Colin. And he walked up to me and said, sir, you must feed me. And I said, okay, let's take old calling with us. And we took him to a restaurant. And we took him back to our hotel room and gave him a shower.

He'd never seen a shower. Wow. He was Ben's age. And I think, I think, Ben, I think you were like three then. So he three years and I know. He was older than that. So he was, I think he was like eight or something. And anyway, gave him a shower, gave him clothes, found a place for him and kind of started

us rescuing kids there. It was in context of that that we were down kind of by the impenetrable forest. And that's where Congo and Uganda and, um, Rwanda all meet together in that same place. And we were down there and we were standing at this pastor's house. Leanna and I was getting ready to go to sleep. And as we're getting ready to go to sleep, man, we're putting up this bug net around the bed. And we get in bed.

Leanna was already in bed. She was sitting up, you know, and I kind of set up next to her. And we're like, okay, I think I got it all. And Leanna goes, Troy, what is that? And I said, what is what? And I turned and looked and there was a purple light about the size of a quarter that was just sitting in the middle of the room. And it was, it wasn't lighting anything up, but it was a light and it was a dark purple.

And I went, I don't know. And I could smell like electricity burning. There wasn't any electricity at this house, but it smelled like electricity was burning. Yeah. And I thought, I don't know. And they're like, I didn't feel anything scary. She didn't feel like, what is that? And all the sudden, it was as if somebody, the sound came in the room.

room and there was like a distortion sound and when it this thing spoke and when it spoke it was distorted and it spoke a language that I knew what it was saying but it was a language I've never heard before and it was so mad you can imagine the maddest dude you've ever seen in your entire life the most upset person and it was just it was just fury it was anger and it was chaotic anger and it began to speak and scream at us and we understood what he said. And at the same exact time that that happened, it was like somebody got,

I was overwhelmed by fear. In your mind or audibly? No, it was audible. Oh. It was totally audible. And to tell you the truth, man, I don't really know if that voice came from the inside or if it came from the outside.

You'd have to ask Leanna. It's been a long time ago, but in the way I remember it is audible. But this, it was like somebody injected me with fear. I mean, I'm talking, about an incapacitating fear. A paralyzing fear came upon me where I couldn't breathe nothing. I was just, it was like we were just held hostage while this thing berated us. And what it said to me, it didn't speak to Leanna. It only spoke to me and it said, you're going to see your wife die.

And he described how my wife was going to die. And he described what I was going to feel and how helpless I was going to be. And it was so horrible what he said. I don't want to repeat what he said, but it was bad, bad, bad. And then he said, you'll see her beheaded. And then you'll see yourself beheaded. I will hold your head up and turn it around so that you can see your body before you die. And this thing was yelling at us like this.

And it was like this music came with it, like this strong beat. It was like a rhythm in how he spoke and it kind of went like this. You know, it was like boom, boom, boom, boom. And there was a rhythm. It had a cadence to it. and it was, well, dude, we were rebuking it.

Like, leave us alone in Jesus' name, leave us alone. And I was pulling everything out of the hat that I could to get this thing to lead because it was painful. It was a painful kind of fear. And then, by the grace of God, we just knew what to do. I put my forehead up against Leanna's forehead. I put my arm around her. She put her arms around me.

And we both just begin to invite the presence of Jesus into the room. So, Jesus, we don't know what to do about this. This is out of our league. God, please show up in this room. We pray, God, that you'd be made manifest. I pray, Lord, that you would just show up, and this thing started telling us to stop. And it started yelling, stop, stop, stop, quit it, stop. And then, boom, it was gone.

Well, it was an exhausting, terrifying experience. And I had no, I never heard of anybody having a weirdo encounter like that. I'd never seen anything like that happen. So after Leanna just passed out, oh, I was up, man. There's no way I'm going to go to sleep. So I get up. I go into, I wander into what the living room era would be and I see that there's a candle and that pastor was up and he was just sitting in there. And he said, is everything okay? And I said,

no, dude, everything's not okay. And he said, wow, what happened? I said, this, this demon, this this regional entity told me I was trespassing and spoke to me and he said the most horrible things I've ever heard. And he said, did it tell you you were going to see your wife, tie? and I said yeah he said did it talk to you about rape I said yes he said did it tell you who's going to behead you said yeah and this is what he said he said this is the spirit that comes when the Muslim rebels are close and we need to pray because they're really close tonight and so we stayed up all not long man we prayed and the next morning was in all the newspapers they came within two miles of us oh and that was just a way of life for that guy he's like when those Muslim rebels

when they get close to us, this spirit shows up ahead of them. So again, if you think of it, these rebels are not just, I mean, they are next level sorcerers and next level witchcraft involved in it. Well, that's like I mean, that's what they do.

They rape and they behead Christians, especially, or anybody who's against their... You can't unsee the fourth dimensional, which is a question I wanted to kind of go, go into towards this part of the podcast was, you know, when you start hearing a, about people going missing, missing 4-1, people just getting abducted.

It's not a human, not an, you know, we don't know where they go. What do you think is happening there? Because obviously, there's some debate in like alien abductions and it's not a human-on-human crime. They're abducting people in that realm as well. And there's other entities involved in taking people. What do you think's happening? Two years ago, I spoke to Congress.

and the day that I got to speak to Congress, and it was at an event that was called the International Summit Against Human Trafficking, I got to speak there that day, but we weren't the guys that got all the attention. The guy that got the all the attention was the CIA whistleblower. This is three years ago.

That said, hey, I work for the CIA. I'm trying to think what that dude's name is. And he said, we have backtracked, you know, we've actually got all these UFOs. About Rush? Yeah, yeah, that's the guy. So the day that he was speaking to Congress, I was also speaking to Congress. And so he gets all the press, nobody even knows that we were in that.

We have non-human biologics. That's everything went everywhere. That dude. Yeah. David Rush. We actually passed each other. We actually saw him and, you know, I was there. I was there the day.

Okay. Well, one of the things that he actually speaks of, and if you study his stuff, is that when he got into, he said that some of these alien craft were full of kids. Have you guys heard? Have you ever heard anything like that? No. I mean... That's horrible, though.

Definitely small beings pilot them. No, he said that it was a trafficking thing, that there was trafficking involved. If you guys look up, there's other people that say that when they, working for the government, whenever there was a downed craft, when there was a real craft, he said that there would be kids in it, that there would be trafficking victims inside these things. It's terrible now. And that out of everything, because that was a game changer for him to get up there and for him to say that. And again, I happened to be under the same roof the day that he was there.

Out of everything that was said, that was the thing that blew my mind. I was like, man. So I don't know. I don't know if it is something, I don't know if it is people in league with other beings that are not people and governments are involved in it. when it comes to the fourth dimension, you know, where do they go? What is that space that they go to? I don't know, but I know what the antidote is. Yeah. I know what the antidote is. And the antidote is not only the love of Jesus Christ. It's not only the name of Jesus, which we need to operate in the, it's the blood of the lamb, the word of our testimony, but it is also too. Jesus offers us a fourth dimension.

He says that you might know the height, the width, the depth, and the breadth of the love of God. And we are three dimensional beings, and we are offered in the Bible a fourth dimension, which is accessed by the love of God. I mean, that is, I mean, I just read the Bible to you. It literally gives us four dimensions. And so I'm not scared of the fourth dimensional thing, but the Bible gives reference to it. And I don't know. I don't know what that is.

Yeah. I just know what the antidote is. That's a good segue, though, because I want to ask you that, like, we've gone down like some really dark stuff, right? There's a hierarchy of evil that are trafficking children. They're abusing them. They're creating it for stacking magic. There's non-humans involved.

There's angels involved. And you walk in these dark spaces. So someone who's listening, who, you know, we talk about this pre-show. There's a big portion of our population that thinks that the idea of human trafficking is a conspiracy that isn't real. Number one, we had the Sound of Freedom movie

that came out. We talked about that pre-show, which for a lot of people was either like paradigm shadow, or it was, you know, it's this extremist fodder. This isn't real either. So for a paradigm, this is hard for a lot of people. So for you though, like, I mean, you just started touching this, but where, like how do you flip the other side of the coin?

Like, where's the, you know, how do you find hope here? How do we battle this? Because it seems, in some ways, this can seem overwhelming to people. Like, there's a hierarchy of evil that is working bloodlines and taking kids. And this stuff is happening everywhere. That's such a dark reality. But what, like, how, they say, how's it? What's the antidote to that?

And how do you, I mean, how do you personally, or how do you, and then when you talk about this, how do you end up in a place of hope? Because it seems hopeless. Like, all this stuff is happening. There's governments,

there's non-human entities that are all operating this machine of evil. Where's our, you know, it's always been like, yeah, how do we find that hope there? Against the odds. It's always sort of how it's been. Yeah, that's right.

Now, listen, for one thing, I got a, I got a, I got great news. I know exactly how this is going to end. Jesus is going to come back and he's not coming back as a hippie. No, he's coming back with the sword. He is going to kick butt and he's going to take names to a degree that most Western Christians will cringe because they think that Jesus Christ is a hippie and he's not. He is the baddest motor scooter in the entire swinging universe.

There's nobody like him. And when he comes back, his earmark will be to the horse's brow. Like what? That's pretty damn radical. Listen, he's not coming back to be nice. He is not going to come back. to be nice at all. He's going to come back to kick butt and to take names and to wipe this thing out the way that it needs to, because only he can. On the other side of that, so I'm a big time

Jesus guy. You know, I'm Rudy. I'm loyal to Jesus, man. He's the answer to all things. The practical side in the meantime of believing in the imminent and the glorious return, but not just a glorious return, but the imminent return, that's a big part of it, believing, man, that Jesus can come back. And if you don't really believe that, then you need to have. challenge yourself and go, who has, who has brainwashed you into telling you that Jesus couldn't come back today? Like, well, he couldn't because, why? Why couldn't he? He could come back. He can come back anytime. We don't know when he's coming back. So I refuse not to let myself believe that Jesus could come back at any time and come back with a sword and, and give us a front row seat to what he's going to do

because he does. And I love that. The second thing is, and when it comes to the actual practicality of just like, okay, like I'm very aware of so many terrible stories, and I mean, I am. But I'm also aware of the hope and the transformation of what happens with these kids once the Lord gets a hold of them. And a little bit of Jesus makes up for a whole lot of evil. Yeah. It just makes up for a whole lot. And, you know, man, all three of those guys that are behind the camera, they have traveled

with me. They've been to all 54 of our rescue homes, and, you know, we have multiple homes there. And to see how these kids' lives are transformed and how they're changed, like, nobody else could do that. To see how that they're not full of fear, to literally see, you know, things like, you know, a little girl on the Texas border that we rescued two years ago, a 15-year-old girl just comes out of such dark magic and such terrible stuff. She literally had five sexually transmitted diseases, five. and so messed up that you just can't even imagine. So, so messed up. I can tell you right now that she has been to the doctor in Houston.

She's been to the hot doctor in Mexico City, and they can't find any of those anymore. She's just healed. And like, okay, if the Lord is healing people today of that kind of stuff, and I can't, I have to steward what I make a big deal out of. and nobody else is going to do that for me. And that's part of the fear of the Lord is just that the fear of the Lord for me is when you love what God loves and you hate what God hates and you try and see things the way

that God sees things. That's the fear of the Lord. And I just don't want to make a big deal out of it. Yep. You know what? They put on a big show. They cause a lot of big pain and they cause a lot of big problems. So what?

There are simple solutions to complicated issues. If a Yahoo like me can rescue over 11,000 kids, man, not knowing what in the world he's doing. And imagine what we could do united in the body of Jesus. Come on. Yeah. And if, and if the Lord can raise these kids up, man, to be mommas and daddies and doctors and lawyers and rescuers themselves, you know, we ought to be dedicated and committed to that in such a way.

We're not dedicated to being terrorized by the hell that they offer. Yeah. I will not dedicate my heart and my mind to be terrorized. I just won't do it. Yeah. I love that. I mean, our God is in the business of redemption. and nothing, no one is unredeemable, which is really beautiful.

It is amazing. Because that power is way, way bigger than the stuff that they try to conjure up and stack and work. It doesn't hold. Man, number one, if you can see the whole demonic realm, if we can just call that the demonic realm. Number one, they're all a bunch of sniveling lawyers. I promise you they are. They're all about what is legal and what they can. can get away with. They're all a bunch of lawyers.

Yeah. And I mean, on their best day, they're a bunch of lawyers. And that my disdain for them is off the rocker on that. The second thing is this too. Yeah. Yeah, they move in some really dark things and there's some really scary,

really blurry, undefined things that I don't know how to put my finger on it. But Jesus is very defined to me. He's superior. Yeah. Yeah. And like, you know, when I come across stuff that I don't know what to think about. Like, you know, I didn't know what to think about

that giant. Like, I didn't know what to think about. Yeah. I just know that it showed up to peak on my prayer time on that prayer mountain. And it's like, what are you worried about? Yeah, what are you worried about? What's the problem? Yeah. What's the problem? You know, you're so big and you're so bad and you're, you're this big scary being and you're, you're able to take away helpless children. Wow, that's awesome. What are you, what do you spine in on us for? What is a problem? What is this that is threatening you? And it, and it was a threat to Most the king's coming. Yeah, the king's coming, brother.

That's right. Yeah, I mean, the layers here are intense. And I think, you know, just remind our listeners, I think blurry creatures was birthed out of, you know, there's a seriousness to the stories as well as like there's an entertaining part of it. But the seriousness to it all was kind of the impetus of this podcast and kind of trying to help people understand that somebody in their life has had an experience that they can't, that they're holding on to.

They can't quite explain. They can't, they don't have anyone to talk to about it. I think you're so much further down that you heard the stories and you started to do something about it. And I think as Christians, we don't think that the helmet of salvation is an actual helmet. And, you know, the sword is an actual sword, you know, needed to sort of vanquish these things.

And I think that's what the podcast has sort of put context, starting with the bluriest creature and Bigfoot and moving into stuff that you've seen and experienced firsthand and all the tragedies, but there's also hope too at the end of these stories of people coming back and turning around and then going back to more themselves,

picking up these. It's beautiful, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. And that's not where we started, obviously, with these conversations. He had no idea, and I'm sure you, you know, you didn't think you'd be here either. No, man, I thought, I thought I'd be playing guitar.

Yeah. I thought I'd be playing. I thought I'd be playing, you know, is what I thought I'd be doing. And this has been a better route. And I'm very grateful for it. And I'm also grateful for my, just, you come across, you know, just relationally, you come across your tribe after a while, you know? You know, just like all of us sitting here at the same table.

Like, I honestly, I'm so honored, man, to be sitting here with you cats. Same. And so, so honored. And we were talking about it on the way up here today. and we're talking about it's like, can you guys believe that we're going to be on this show? It's so funny. Get out of it.

Like, this is ridiculous. And what's really, man, you find your tribe after a while. And what you find is whatever craziness that you've experienced, it also makes for a relational kind of thing that God does. Yeah. And even if it's traumatic, you know, even if it's really bad, there's a redemptive way that God Almighty will bring a mighty army. together and you guys know the valley of dry bones and all that kind of stuff the very first thing

that happens after the rattle is sine you so that's the relational aspect before there was yeah before there was lungs before there was a heart before there was brain the sine you the actual connection the tendons was the first thing to show up and so just want to encourage all of your listeners and just say if you've seen something really scary you know that you can't wrap your head around and tell you there's a whole world full of people that seem really scary things that they hadn't been able to wrap their head around and also say this to if you guys will just put up with me and just say just cry out to jesus wherever you're at yeah you you know give jesus to try and say lord i'm this thing is crazy and i don't know what to do he knows how to

heal you he really does and he also knows how to connect you with people that that go yeah that's a big deal but it's not really that big of a deal it's okay yeah it's okay yeah the flip side of that is seen something scary is that is seeing something miraculous right it's the idea that like god is still healing god is still moving god is still raising the dead we have we have seen kids that were Because one of the things that happens a lot is they'll be completely nonverbal whenever we get these kids. And we have seen God, I'm talking about miraculously over and over and over again, where they just instantly just start talking. And they just become chatty Kathleen and they're like, oh, wow. And they would be acting very animalistic or, you know, kind of feral kids, you know, wouldn't let anybody touch them or be around them or anything like that.

And then just walk in and they see the father's heart, you know. get me and say hey what are you doing i'm your papa troy and i'm here i'm here to love you come over here and see me and then they just instantly just run over and hug me you know and everybody go what the heck happened i'm like it's just the lord and then we pray for them and then they just start speaking and you know and and we've seen that happen so many times and then man your mind is just so blown so i want to i do got to say this we have to challenge ourselves in childlike wonder to have our minds blown by the goodness of god and if we do not do that nobody else is ever going to do that for us. I mean, when's the last time you just had your mind

blown with how good God is and like, okay, how do I got to find that? Where do I, and pursue that and go after those things and then live that kind of lifestyle. And then when you have a sorcerer show up at the edge of your bed or a demon show up in your barn, he announced himself. He said his name was impenetrable one time, spoken in awe. I said, hey, who's there? This thing spoke and said, impenetrable. Well, that's that demon, because I just got through doing a Zoom call from Chiapas, and it accessed

me through the Zoom call, by the way. That's a whole another thing. And so, Jesus. And so... Drop a nuggets of the end here. Yeah. And then we just went down into their stronghold. Those two guys right there were with me. And we went in there. We went to an unholy altar where

unspeakable things happened and I walked straight up there to it. And I I spoke and I said, you are not impenetrable. I told you. I love it. Wow. And we're going to get more into this, obviously, at BlurieCon, because you're coming in the fall, and we're going to talk more about these things.

So there's still a few tickets if you want to join us out there, but, you know, I love these intro conversations that are just a rodeo, and a rodeo from Texas of no other. And there's really no way to tame it. It just goes where it's going to go, these conversations. and sometimes just sitting back and letting your mind be open enough to hear the stories. Because, I mean, you have, you know, 30 years plus of dealing with this stuff and firsthand and the experiences you have. And some people just have a blurry life and existence. And it's, and other people have had one paranormal experience their whole life. And some people have like

novels full of strange and weird. And I don't know why that is. I don't know why. I don't know why we can compartmentalize as Westerners that the strange and we can explain away everything down to a demonically possessed person that's speaking in a Latin language we can say oh yeah that's or ancient language and that's that's just a schizophrenia you know we can be that or we can be like there's giants in the bushes

and they're coming to get us and we're running through and spirits of you know going ahead of armies from you know to all the things we've heard over the years so thanks thanks Troy and thank you yeah thanks for coming in here and and and helping our listeners connect the dots some of the wilder things we've heard because everything we've heard it kind of goes in we you know we're sort of an episodic show where we kind of start from the beginning and you get a little bit

we're a little bit weirder as it goes and you're a good bridge between some of the harder stuff we've heard and some of the tame kind of in the middle somewhere of like Okay, I can get it. I get it now, you know? Some people say stuff and it's just, there's no backstory and there's no context. It's just, boom, you know, here it is, take it or leave it. And some people, we get those nasty emails. But I think with your story, it's so heartwarming, that, you know, not only is it weird, but you're doing something about it. And I think that's awesome. And I'd love to talk more maybe off the show about maybe how blurry, how blurry creatures can help you do that. as well. I want to invite you guys to come go with me. All right. And I want to take you guys shop as Mexico. And we'll go down there and you'll see our rescued kids. We'll go to Mexico City. We'll do some stuff. And I'll take you to that largest pyramid. So I told the guy if he would give me access to his pyramid all the time. He's a big time cowboy. I'd bring him a brand new saddle.

And so I need, I got to, if I bring that guy that saddle, man, I promise you he'll give us full blown access and you'll see it and there's not much talent and then we'll actually we'll actually see if we can't rescue some kids while we're there and I will do some fun stuff and see see some really cool stuff. Come on let's go man. All right. Until they tell us where they can they can find you and get engaged with what you're doing or you know I know you've written you've got a lot of things you're doing you've got a show you're doing with our friend Tony Merkel as well so let our folks know where they can they can engage with you and what you're doing. The easiest way. It's just, just, uh, just look at my name is Troy Brewer. Troy Brewer.com. You just do a

Google search on me. You'll be able to find me, but at Troybrewer.com. After Troy. Cowboy Troy. Those are both of them. I love it. I actually know Cowboy Troy. He's a good guy. Do you really? Yeah, he's a good dude. Uh, not Pastor Troy, but, uh, thanks, Troy. Thanks, Troy. Yeah. Thanks for being a listener, all the encouraging words you said to us, too. It's like, it feels like a lot of people come on our show. They're the ones out doing stuff and and taking shots and we're just talking about it here. Oh, no, man, you guys are killing it. It's so important.

I really encourage, since I've become friends with Tony, you know, I've just, same thing with y'all, man. Just want to encourage you because we've needed this. You're making it normal. You're making it normal now in Christianity. And that has been needed in a huge way. So thank you guys. It's a little mind-blowing.

Sort of normal. Sort of normal, yeah. I was saying no is like the weirdest guy, you know. There's something weird about him to do what he did. And God uses the weird guys. You know, the guys that are kind of like, I'll listen, but I'm also stubborn, a little weird, little strange. I'm in the bushes and I'm doing something.

But I think that you need those characters always. I mean, you proof God can even use gingers. Yeah, exactly. No one is unusable, bro. It's like there's a lure to the strange. I think there's a redemptive. narrative to the weird and strange here at Blurry. It doesn't just stay weird.

That's what I wanted for this podcast to kind of come back to like, okay, there's answers to these things and you helped to give our listeners a lot of answers. So thanks, Troy. Thank you. Thanks, guys. All right. See a Blurriecom, baby. I'll see you then.

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