Blurry Creatures - EP: 35 Were The Giants Pycho? With Richard Sorenson

Episode Date: April 25, 2021

In Episode 35 we bring on Psychology PhD candidate, historian and biologist Richard Sorenson to delve into the genetics and physiology of the nephilim and ancient giants. Sorenson has a very specific hypothesis that ancient giants suffered from genetic psychosis—a trait possibly passed down in the DNA of the Watchers. Were the Nephilim, the Biblical Men of Renown and the ancient giants all psychologically psychopathic? We discuss this, extraterrestrials, ufo’s and extra biblical literature in an episode that will leave you wondering about the biology, psychology and genetic material associated with the Genesis 6 incursion. guest: https://richardsorensen.com contact: [e-mail] www.blurrycreatures.com Socials instagram.com/blurrycreatures facebook.com/blurrycreatures twitter.com/blurrycreatures Music Kyle Monroe: tinytaperoom.com Aaron Green: https://www.instagram.com/aaronkgreen/ Mastering: ironwingstudios.com Outro Song: TimeCop1983: timecop1983.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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of YouTube links and article links and your stories and all kinds of materials to pour through. almost so much material, it's hard for us to get through it. And one thing I want to say is that that all requires time. And really when you become a member of this show, you're just allowing us to spend more time curating this content, digging through it, finding the stories, and recording those stories, editing them down in an entertaining way and putting them back into your ears. So if you want to give us some more time to do this and create more material for you, head over to blurry creatures.com, become a member, and start listening to unreleased episodes and episodes early and engage in the conversation. We're going to be putting more and more materials

over there. But the more of you guys jump on board, the more time we'll have to devote to this. And 35 episodes could be 105 episodes rather quickly. And, you know, one of the things that I'm noticing in this show is just this arc, this story arc. I love where we are right now because I feel like all the knowledge is compounding like a snowball. And I feel like a thousand times more comfortable in these interviews asking these questions because I feel like I have so much more information and it's all piecing together. And a lot of people say, oh yeah, listen to episode four of your podcast. It was great. I was like, man, you know, really, we're going one to the next, to the next, to the next, you really got to go in order. Yeah, I agree. Or you're going to miss it. Because it's a platform

and a journey podcast and we're not the experts, we're just asking the questions. I think it's a disservice not to start the beginning and follow the arc, right? Because I would hope that everybody who's stuck with us from the beginning or is listening now would listen up to this point because I do think you're right. I think it builds on, it continues to build on itself. So we're peeling layers off the onion. And there's multiple onions. That's for our analogy. It's the bigfoot onion, but they all kind of all are the same vegetable. Lay is like Shrek, right? Ogar. Ogre. Donkey. Yeah, dude, which is like the world is more like, like Shrek, and that's what we're learning, is that all the weird creatures of the forest

might actually be out there. And the weird stuff, it all has an origin story. And you might just be tuning in to blurry creatures thinking, eh, these guys don't talk about Bigfoot. Oh, we're talking about Bigfoot. We're trying to get to the root of the story of where does that beast come from and how does it fit into this whole narrative. Yeah, we've got talking donkeys, just like Shrek. But I love it. I feel more comfortable. I feel good. You guys have been very supportive of the show so far. Again, you can email us, Blurry Creatures Podcast at gmail.com or hit us up at Blurry Creatures. If you're just tuning in, you know, we get heavy. We get hot and heavy sometimes, Luke. Just like Aug's bed. Yeah, Rich loved it. He's like,

I've been a lot of stuff happened there. These giants were just naughty. Yeah. I can't, we can't say enough for tuning into our show, sharing this show to your friends. A lot of people have been sharing it on Facebook and stuff, just screenshoting it, sharing it on Instagram. There's a million podcasts out there. And Luke and I put a lot more effort into this one than your average Joe podcast. We're grateful that you listen. And you know what? We don't want everyone to agree with us. That's one thing I want to keep you reiterate. And that's not our point here. We welcome disagreement and dissent. This is a marketplace, a free marketplace of ideas. And we're just asking questions. And we're going to continue to ask questions because there's a lot of questions to be asked.

And there's a supply of questions and there's not a lot of answers. So we are going to bring on Richard Sorensen and try to get some more answers about these ancient giants. Welcome to the show, Richard Sorenson. Richard, you have an MS and internet engineering, a BS in biology where you studied evolution and Darwinism in depth. You're working on your PhD in psychology from North Central University where you're focused on the human mind and consciousness. You've done countless research in near eastern archaeology, Nile Delta Archaeology, psychology, biochemistry, memory, as we referenced, the Holy Shrout of Turin, the mystery of the Nephlam, the Great Pyramid, History of Christianity, early Christianity, Jewish history, biblical

theology, and on and on and on. We came across to you, and we were talking about this before we got on the show, but welcome the show. Thank you. Great to have you, Rich. And it came across to you as I was reading articles on academia.com. And it just, it's random how things work. But I was reading some stuff about the Nephilim and especially about some demonology stuff about bail and bail's equivalence to Satan and has it had to do with Cessori of Philippi and a lot of that stuff. And I got recommended a couple of your papers. And so you've got quite the interesting and variety of papers. But we'll start from the top. One of the things that you like to write about and you've written about actually are the Nephlam and ancient giants, something that we like to cover here on the show, Nate.

And from more of a psychology point of view, which I think, is fascinating. And then also you you wrote about Ham's wife and her potential passing of the Nephilim genes. But Rich, great to have you. Thanks for joining us. Thank you. Good to be with you. Yeah. So, Nate, one of our favorite topics here. Yeah. Yeah. We talk about the giants all the time, it seems like. We actually, so did just. Did you tell them what we did? No, not yet. I was going to get into that right now. So we, you know, Nate and I are, Nate's 40. I'm almost 40 here. And so we, we, We the other day, Nate's family was out of town and my wife was at a girl's night. So we decided that on our bachelor night of being a dude's night, we were going to go to these giant mounds here in Tennessee that we, or these burial mounds, we believe, are giant mounds.

We should have scoped it out and scattered it out because we went at night and we had to cross a river. So we weren't prepared for that. So we didn't do that. We did end up at the end of a very creepy road. We didn't actually get out there, is what I'm trying to say. but we did a night scouting trip for the next mission. Right, but Nate shows up in a San Francisco Giants

sweatshirt and I'm thinking Well, he's letting everybody know we're playing for the home team. Yeah. So that's all to say, that's how nerdy we are at this point into this topic. We're not only are we interested in this, we're going out in the middle of the night telling our wives, hey, we're going to go to

some giant mounds. If we don't come back, you know what happened. Well, wearing a giant shirt probably helped you to identify with them in case they're in. That's what I'm saying. If they're mad, they'd be like there, the red beard. Yeah, they're like, this guy's got red hair, place for the home team. We'll leave this guy alone. Yeah. Our last guest saw some floating orbs and lights and stuff. So we thought, I wonder if there's like any weird activity on those mounds at night. Because you can see him during

the day, it's just a lump of, you know, it's just a lump of dirt kind of. But at night, I'm sure there's some interesting stuff happens. So anyway, that's where we're at in the show. We've, we're far down the rabbit hole. We want to learn more. So we're happy to have you on and keep diving. Thank you for inviting me. This is one of our favorite topics, but it's not necessarily a big mainstream topic. So what got you specifically interested or into the Nephilim to the point where you end up riding on giants, at least a couple pieces on giants? Well, I've been interested in biblical topics for almost my entire life, and I'm 69, so been around the block a few times. My interest in the Nephlem specifically is related to, well, it really was inspired.

and you mentioned that you've had Dr. Michael Heiser on your show. And these two papers that I wrote were really inspired by a book of his that we recently read. I've got five kids, as I mentioned, and we have a book club with our kids. They're all adults now. And so every Sunday night, we come over to our house for dinner, and we read a book together and discuss it. And one of the books happened to be the unseen realm,

which is by Dr. Michael Heiser, which he perhaps mentioned on his show, on your show. And that's really what inspired me to write these two articles. However, I had been interested in biblical topics for a long time. I've written a couple of novels myself, not about the Nephilim, but the novels are entitled Unholy Grail. The first one is the story of Judas Ascariot and Mary Magdalene. The second one is the heir of Judas Ascariot and Mary Magdalene, Unholy Grail. So I've written a lot on on various religious topics, Christianity, and a lot of the articles, like I said, are like you had said, we're posted on academia. So my interest in the Nathlum is kind of long term, but relatively recent in terms of my perked interest, I guess you could say. Well, I mean, I like your book club thing first.

You know, Nate's grandma right now is reading Gary Wayne and she's 96. So we like to bring that up that a book club is fantastic. Right. Not many families could do that, though. Read a book and not get explosive with each other. You know what I mean? That's one of the things that I think is important to develop, especially if you're going to be, get into a scholarly examination of any topic because you really have to have an open mind.

You have to look at things from multiple perspectives. You have to be kind of a Democrat and a Republican and look at both sides of all sides of the issue to evaluate not only your own. position, but the position of others. And so that's what we attempt to do with our own family. You know, developing the ability to disagree and discuss is a, you know, is a good talent. Yeah, Dr. Heiser has been huge for me personally. I grew up in the church and grew up with learning a lot of these topics. And it sounds like, you know, a lot of people are the students of the Bible, but for some reason this narrative is kind of hidden. And it's in plain view,

but it's hidden. Why do you think that is? And why do you think you connected the doctor? after that book specifically? Well, it's hidden because the Genesis 6, which is where the Nephilim are introduced, is very, very brief. There's very little, almost no information about them at all in the Genesis 6 topic, the pre-flood topic. Of course, and I suppose your listeners are pretty familiar with this, because I'm looking at your podcast history, you've had a number of other podcasts on this subject.

But Genesis 6 starts out by saying the sons of God, so that the daughter, daughters of men were beautiful, and they decided to take whoever they wanted as wives, and they basically had children, and their children were the Nephilim, they were the mighty men of old. And that's it. So from the biblical perspective, you have relatively very, very little information. Now, it does go on to say in the next verse that evil was endemic and that God regretted that he made man on the earth. And so the connection between the Nephilim and the evil is there, but it's only the

implied is not direct. It's not directly stated. I don't think a lot of people have made that connection. I think that's why it's relatively obscure. In the paper, you reference the extra biblical writings from the Second Temple period. Talk a little about those and why you reference something and then also the credibility there because I think that's one of the things that really comes into play here. And we talked about Enoch and a few of our episodes. There's a lot of, you know, pre-Dead Sea Scrolls. There was a lot of push deck. But there's still. It still seems to be some push. Like, people don't want to include it on the level.

Obviously, it's not canonized. We're not going to do the Council of Nicaa all over again. But talk a bit about that, of Jasher Giants, Enoch, the credibility there. And I think maybe why that was so important in your work in backing up. Because like you said, Genesis 6 is so brief. Sometimes it feels like when you get that phone bill. It's like the crash site document.

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This episode is brought to you by Redfin. You're listening to a podcast, which means you're probably multitasking, maybe even scrolling home listings on Redfin, saving homes without expecting to get them. But Redfin isn't just built for endless browsing. It's built to help you find and own a home. With agents who close twice as many deals, when you find the one, you've got a real shot at getting it. Get started at Redfin.com. Own the dream. There are really three sources outside the Bible that discuss the Nephilim and the events of Genesis 6, the sons of God, et cetera, in much greater detail. Probably the largest one is the first book of Enoch, and there's several books of Enoch. The first book of Enoch is also called the Book of Watchers, and it was probably the first one

written. There's also the book of Jashir, which, by the way, is referred to in the Bible in other places. Although it's not clear if the reference relates to the same book that we have now. And there's also a book called The Book of Giants, which is very, very fragmentary, which we don't have very much detail on. All of these came from at some point during what you referred to as a second temple period. And the second temple period was from 500 BC to around 200 BC. By the way, that was also the time just before then when the Septuagint version was written of the Bible, the translation from Hebrew, the first translation from the Hebrew into the Greek, that took place around 300 BC.

So there's been a lot of debate on what, if any, the sources were that the Second Temple authors used to write the books of Enick and the book of Jashir and the book of giants. And who exactly wrote them? We don't know who the authors were. We presume that the book of watchers was probably from between 500 and 400, maybe 300 BC. Other books of Ina came later. So that gives you the time period. Now, it's possible that those people had records going back further. I refer to in my document in the paper that we're discussing here, the fact that there are writings way back from 2,500 BC or so from ancient Mesopotamia, that were actually essentially spells or enchantments or cleansing rituals.

You could call them ancient exorcism rituals that were used to try and get rid of demons. And it's possible that some of these were some of the sources that the Second Temple author is used. And it's also true that some of the books of the Bible, in particularly the book of Jude, but also Second Peter, one of the chapters in Second Peter, has a lot of reference. references. In fact, Jude quotes the book of Enac almost directly. So the Second Temple period writings, the book of Enick and so forth, was apparently well known to the gospel authors, at least to Jude anyway. Maybe that's what the Beatles were singing about, right? Hey, Jude, yeah, there you go.

He knew something that we didn't know. Maybe they did. He's got jokes. He's got jokes. Sorry, I got dad jokes for days. So here's a question. As this stuff comes up, I mean, Luke and I kind of feel like, you know, once you get this red pill, so to speak, that's kind of the modern term for understanding this way of reading scripture, you can't go back. Exactly. You can't see it the same ever again. Is that like, is your family come to an agreement about that? Because I still think there's a lot of academics, Christians who have like a Darwinianism,

what's the word where you combine evolution, theistic evolution or something? Yeah, theistic evolution. This kind of blows all that away from, for me. Is that sort of been adopted by your family? Like you guys, you read Emceen Realm and then you kind of can't come back. You're just down the rabbit hole and you're see everything differently. Well, if you're talking about the evolution perspective, theistic evolution was an invention of the Jesuit, Tiliard de Chardin. I've rejected that a long time ago.

I thought Tiliard, Tiliar, by the way, was possibly one of the guys who he was involved with the Piltdown man fraud. And it's possible he participated in that, although we don't know. for sure. But he was one of the guys who was associated with that Piltdown man episode. As you mentioned at the beginning of the show, my bachelor of science degrees in biology. When I was studying biology, I got heavy into evolution. And frankly, it didn't make sense to me. The more I looked into it, the more I could not understand how people could continue to treat it as a serious scientific subject. So I have written another, in fact, probably it's my longest paper on academia.edu, which is the Darwinian, Darwinian emperor is naked, Darwinism and

distress. You know, this is basically a critique of Darwinism. But, you know, the academic community, a lot of it is wedded to Darwinian thinking and to anti-biblical thinking, of course, which is part of it, because the Bible is creationist, you know, of course, totally out of tune with a humanistic worldview. So if that's your worldview, and you basically need to support that, And if you think of all of the institutions that are committed to a Darwinian way of thinking, think of like the Museum of Science in Boston or any other museum. You know, these guys have PhDs. There's no way they're ever going to go back and say that it was wrong.

They made a mistake. Can't happen. So they have to continually float their ideas and defend their ideas because there's no going back to that. Do you think they have a lot of blind spots naturally because of that? just, you know, they can't see certain things that perhaps people outside of academia can see? Oh, possibly. If you're going to be a serious scholar, you really have to keep an open mind and you really have to evaluate and say, are my ideas correct? Is what I'm thinking, does it make sense? Does it is it? So you constantly have to have to do all this fact checking. And then what's nice about it,

about publishing articles like this is you get feedback from people. And they will read your article and and they'll say, well, what about this or what about that? You didn't think about this. And you'll say, well, damn, you're right. I didn't think about that. And maybe I got to rethink it. Or maybe it was wrong or maybe it's not necessarily wrong, but maybe I need to rethink it. In fact, that recently happened to me on this whole issue of Ham's wife thing. We can get into that later. I'll tell you about that. Okay. Just so we don't get ahead of ourselves, Luke, too much. And this will be my next question, we kind of lead into it. But my mind started to open up when I started listening to stories about Bigfoot. And, you know, I grew up in the church and I couldn't make sense of it.

Like, how does this creature fit into this? And then I started listening to Heiser and I was like, well, okay, if giants existed, I already, I already believe there's this creature in the woods. So it's not hard for me to then believe these giants were rolling around in the woods and, you know, killing and eating people, basically, just terrible being. So do you have any thoughts on Bigfoot? We ask every guess that. That's sort of a tradition, but we kind of, you know, hopped into the more of the academic stuff. But have you looked into that, topic at all? Do you think it fits into this story? Is it related to the nephalum? Like, what are your thoughts about Bigfoot? You might not have any. I'm just throwing it out there. Well, Bigfoot is not

an area that I've gotten into in any depth. So, you know, my thoughts here are not at all. It would be just like the guy in the street. There is possibly a relationship to, to, to, to the Nephilim. It is possible that the Nephilim genetics have been passed on and that some people have had them all the way down to today. That's also true of what we'll probably talk about later, which is psychopathology, which is some of the psychological aspects of the Nephilim. But here's a caution that I've seen. I have not yet seen any clear indication that of archaeological discoveries of giant human fossils. Now, there recently was something in Ecuador,

where they have like the cave of giants. And when they've done excavations in Bayshan, the area that were the, presumably where the sons of God first came down to Earth, there are also very, very large houses there with big doors and stuff like that. But I have not yet seen any conclusive evidence of actual archaeological finds of giant human,

humanoid bones. Do you think that there's a, and then you can land in all kind of camps here, but a lot of people will say there's a, there's a cover up or there's an effort to suppress this, and that early 1900s we were seeing articles of this stuff being dug up all over the place and the bones have disappeared or, you know, there's a lot of questions.

Right. No, there is. And there has been conspiracy theories. Coverups are possible. If you look at the Darwin's discovery of, hominid fossils, for example, one of the original discovers of the Java man, if you've ever read about him, the guy who discovered his name was Dubois. He hid the fossil for a long time because he didn't want to have anybody fully examine it because he wanted to be claimed as the guy who had first discovered the evolutionary link. He called it Australopithecus. He was the guy that coined that term, if you're familiar with it, from paleontocytoc.

You know, it is possible that there were cover-ups. That's possible. On the other hand, archaeology has only dug up what has dug up. We don't know what we don't know. And there's so many places that have not yet fully been explored and dug up. And a lot of people nowadays, a lot of biblical archaeologists that could be typified by guys like Israel Finkelstein, Deaver, other archaeologists, they reject anything biblical that they can't show as an archaeological foundation. And to me, that is just, that's silly because archaeology, we don't know what we don't know. Yeah. Well, we've interviewed Brian Forster and L.A. Marzuli, and they, you know, they've been out in Peru and they've put their hands on these elongated skulls. Do you think the

elongated, do you think that's proof of the giants? Possibly. And I, like I said, I was just reading about this giant cave in Ecuador. And I haven't, I haven't seen any information about any hominid fossils that were discovered or bones or skulls or whatever but that's possible Brian told a weird story about how he was getting it tested in L.A. and he was sending the Pirocous DNA

of these people to L.A. and they stopped it. They told him you're not allowed to do any more testing here because they were finding out that they weren't human. And so this conspiracy theory seems to be spread all over the place. Either they hide the bones, the bones were dug up. The Smithsonian shows

up almost 80% of the time on the scene of the crime in the newspapers. We brought on a guy that curates all the newspapers, our buddy Travis. So we've been on the hunt, and we interviewed Luke, Roger, who was a guy in Minnesota who dug up the bones in his backyard. He calls the local authorities. He says there was a 10-footer in his backyard, and he has a serpent mound on his property. He sees these bones. He says they were giant. He calls in the authorities, and guess what? They put a kibosh on digging. You can't dig there anymore and they start you know they come around his house they do flyovers and they told them there's nothing to see here so it's it feels like every time you get close to these bones

there's somebody who says nope yeah you can't talk about that i wouldn't doubt that there could because in the smithsonian you know is very heavily darwinistic and and establishment so it wouldn't surprise me that if it turned out that that was true on the other hand we do have to be careful, like I said before, that we're not dealing with a real conspiracy theory. We have to make sure that we have our evidence straight. Rich does the lack of bones? Does that affect your belief in Genesis 6th Giants at all? No. We laid the foundation there with Enoch and Jashir. But really we want to talk to you about the psychopathology. So you came to this conclusion. Your papers about the Nephlem, you know, basically that they were psychopaths. So walk us through that.

How you got there? Your thoughts on that. and, you know, walks through that, then I want to figure out if we're seeing things today that we're because of that. Right. Well, the conclusion about the Nephilim being psychopath or psychopathic, of course, it's not, is a conjecture. Right. I have to say this, there's no certainty here.

But nevertheless, it's a reasonable conjecture. And that's the point of the article that I wrote. First of all, we have to identify who the sons of God were without going into a lot of detail on all the different theories. This is a huge scholarly dispute. And perhaps Michael Heiser and others have alluded to it in past shows. But basically, some people feel that they were divinized men or the sons of Cain or the sons of Seth or some other things. However, I don't think any of those explanations has really holds any water. I think that the sons of God really have to be angelic or demonic spirit beings of some sort.

I want to say, like, you make a point there, I think, in your paper that's very interesting. I think just to, you say that like if it would have been the sons of Kane or the sons of Seth, you feel like the Bible would explicitly have said that. So there isn't a space for conjection, right? Are you saying these are the watchers? We're talking about like the watchers from Enoch and the sons of God being analogous, right? We're just talking about semantics.

Yeah, the book of Enoch calls them the watchers. So the sons of God and the watchers are two terms for the same, same group of people or spirits or whatever they were. And they're actually named in the book of Enoch. Enoch actually comes out in names a number of them. According to Enoch, there were 200 of them. And they were led by Shemiyazha. I'm not sure if I'm pronouncing that correctly. And they descended on Mount Hermon into the country of what's now the country of Bayshan.

It says that these sons of God, assuming that they were angels, they then mated. or picked whoever they want to and probably raped women that they were attracted to. Now, this presumes, of course, that angels or demons can procreate, that they had, that they were physical, and they could copulate with these women. Of course, we don't really know from the Bible. The Bible doesn't really explain the nature of demons and angels and whether they can assume physical nature. Now, it talks about Abraham, for example, meeting. with angels and they ate together and so forth. But, I mean, this is a step beyond this. They made it with the daughters of men and produced the race that was called the Nephilim.

By the way, the word Nephilim in Hebrew probably means fallen in the sense of become evil. Okay? Hence that term. Now, if the sons of God made it with women, they would have passed their genetic payload into these nephalum. And according to the book of Enoch, the nephalum were hybrids. They were part man or part human and part angelic or part demonic, part spirit being. The question is, what did that demonic payload of genetics produce in the nephalum? And if you consider the character of what Satan is like, Satan is the ultimate psychopath. So in my paper, I identified the the characteristics of what a psychopath is like. Here are some of the characteristics of what a typical psychopath is like. They have a superficial charm combined with the use of mind games. There's an

absence of nervousness, a little concern for public for personal safety, substance abuse, extreme selfishness, no respect for law or custom, continual deception, deviousness, and cunning, unrelenting, unrelenting condescension and threatening behavior, overly controlling and sexually obsessive, guiltlessness, lack of conscious and refusal to take responsibility, rapid mood shifts, especially when the individual is unable to win or get their way, a twisted view of reality and a total lack of empathy. So these are the characteristics that the psychologists have identified as being true of psychopaths. Now, psychopaths exhibit a range of behavior.

It isn't, not all psychopaths are necessarily serial killers and extremely dangerous to society. And there's also a difference between the way psychopathology is manifested in women versus men. And women, it tends to be more, they tend to get more depressed as opposed to being violent and controlling and, and obsessive. But nevertheless, in the extreme cases, this is what they're like. And they've done psychological tests on prisoners that have been identified as psychopaths. And they find out that there are certain brain regions, regions in the brain. I won't go into all the technical details of what the brain regions were. But you could read about that from my paper. Certain regions of the brain that are either overly enlarged or unenlarged or like minimal, where psychopaths differ in their

brain structure and their functioning between other people. So when images of people in pain is played to them, rather than having them become sorry for the people or feeling empathy, instead they feel pleasure. So they've actually done testings of the brains of these people. So this is the nature of people that are that are psychopaths. Now, the question is, you know, where did this come from? We know that they know that furthermore that psychopathology is heritable because they've observed that kids and grandkids of parents that were psychopaths also exhibit similar, can exhibit similar functions. And of course, we don't know what exactly what the genetic carriers are, what genes are related to this. and exactly how all this brain function works.

And furthermore, we can't really extend any historical study backwards in time because the study of psychopathology is very, very recent, like any study of mental illness is recent. And so we can't really go back at all in history to look at where this all came from. But to me, psychopathology and satanic action, are essentially the same. Yeah, so it kind of turns into a sort of a philosophical debate of everyone has a degree of that in them. But when it becomes, like, what is considered a psychopath is when it's just like, you know, like 99% of the time you're that way?

Or as a kid, we all went through those stages where we were all those things. It's an interesting conversation of, like, how much deems you a psychopath, right? Right. You know, sin is essentially genetic. It says that we're all sinners, right? And we all know when we have kids, you don't have never to teach the kid to do wrong. The kid does wrong all by themselves. You have to teach them to do right.

So we know that sin is a characteristic of all people. But some people, of course, go off the rails. And psychologists have two terms for this. They call this a psychopath or sometimes they call it a sociopath. but is essentially a division of the same disease or the same mental condition where a sociopath is just a more gentle version of a psychopath, I guess you can say. A more self-realized version, right? Yeah, a sociopath is someone who abuses his own family, whereas a psychopath is like

a serial killer and goes after strangers. So then are we looking at what the Bible said about the giants and what we know about the giants from the biblical account and saying that those characteristics seem to line up with psychopathy? Well, yeah. And then if you if you put together, not only what it says that the, what the origin of the Nephilim was, but also their effect on the society of that time. Now imagine that you live at a time in small villages and you're surrounded by tribes of very large, very aggressive, macho guys who are sexually obsessive and don't care about you at all. I mean, that must have been a terrifying time to live.

Absolutely. It's like giant serial killers running around. Right. Yeah. They talk to the Bible, I believe, Nate, we've talked about this before. The giants were like known for bloodlust. Like they had this insatiable, not only that, but then they were known to eat, you know, humans. Yes.

Allegedly. Well, not only that, but I mean, we, you know, we talked about on this show several times that, I mean, these Israelites were commanded to kill every last one of them. So, I mean, it wasn't like there was anything worth saving, it sounds like, right? And that's a big contention for a lot of people's faith, right? They don't understand that part of the Bible. And when you plug in this idea that maybe they were all psychopaths, then it makes sense. And they were hybrid humans.

They weren't human necessarily either. In effect, you could see it as an act of mercy rather than an act of rage or anger on the part of God. Yeah. But I mean, what you just said assumes that the nephalum actually, either they re-reappeared after the flood or their genetics reappeared in people, which is that the subject, like I said, of my second paper. That's another level of speculation, by the way. Right. And some people disagree with that. But I mean, you got to imagine, right, you have this hybrid, giant hybrid race that's running around.

And their whole MO is bloodlust, rape, violence. you know, on a degree that we, maybe we can conject that, you know, it's like a bunch of giant Ted Bundy and, you know, all these different serial killers, but I can't even think of any right now because, you know, all I do is watch true crime though, Nate, I'm disappointing myself right now. Yeah, but it's even worse than that because they're not, they're not

simply individual killers. They're groups of them. Tribes of them. Yeah, like a gang, you know? Like exactly, like a gang. If you've ever played World of Warcraft, picture a huge gang of guys that all come at you at the same time. I mean, there's no way you defend yourself. You're immediately killed.

And we've seen that in human psychology where groups of people will get together and when like, you know, the mob mentality, right? And they'll do things they wouldn't do if they were by themselves. Right. And that brings up a lot of questions that, you know, we talk about all the time on the show is you had human beings amongst these things. The human beings couldn't survive. They couldn't flourish.

They couldn't reproduce. They couldn't even grow crops. it sounds like, because things would come in and kill them. I mean, how do they even, they must have just been hiding all the time and constant stress just trying to survive these things. Right. And of course, we don't really have any records of this prediluvian society. And the Bible doesn't tell us about it. The Bible simply limits its phrases to what happens after in Genesis 6, verse 5 and following, where it talks about the evil of society grew so great that God regretted that he had even created people.

And so once you start thinking about the consequences of run amok groups that were fathered by demons, the impact of that on the world, then you can start understanding why God brought the flood. So that brings us to the next point then. If we're to buy the notion that psychopathology is heritable, then that means it would have been passed on because we do have the reemergence of the Nephilim and the Refiem, Let me caution you here. Yeah.

There is only one other reference in the Bible to the word Nephilim. And that's in Numbers, Numbers Chapter 13. And this is the story of the spies that Joshua sends out to spy out the land of Israel. Or rather than Joshua, Moses sent them out. Joshua was the leader. Joshua and Caleb were in that group, and then there were 12 of them. And, of course, if you remember the story, the spies come back. They said the land is really good and cool.

We want to go in and deal with this. But the people there are huge. We seem like grasshoppers in comparison to them. What's interesting is that Caleb and Joshua, two members of the group, did not challenge what the other 10 had said. They didn't say, no, no, no, these guys are the same size as us. Rather, they said, no, we can take them. Okay.

So in other words, they agreed with the assessment of the 10, but the 10 doubted that they had enough power and stature to be able to deal with these large inhabitants, large and militant inhabitants. And it talks about the fact that there were the sons of Anak, the Anakim there. But, you know, we don't know, or rather I should say that the spies didn't know what the Nephilim look like. They would have no idea if the people that they saw were these pre-deluvian, giants that Genesis 6 talks about. Right. Yeah, there was no point of reference right after the flood. Exactly. They're assuming that they are. So some people have said, well, these guys were big and they were tough, but they weren't necessarily nephalum. My thinking is that it goes on to talk about the size of Goliath, for example. The regular Bible tells that the Goliath was six cubits in a span, which is in a cubit. There's different dimensions of the cubit, but the lush, smallest dimension is 18 inches. And the span is the length of a man's hand. So that means that the, that the, that the, that the, that the, that the, the, that the, the, the, the, the

translations say that he was four and four cubits in a span, which would be six and a half feet tall, but still pretty large because the Israeli men of that time, it's generally thought that they were about five feet tall. Yeah, yeah. I've heard about that, like the royal cubits different than the regular. Yeah. And, and in, and in, in royal cubits, is actually it's 24 inches. It's even longer. And technically, and yeah,

I've heard people say it would have been royal cubits, so that's how he would have known. Possibly. And then there's also the issue, let's say, of Aug's bed. Ogg was supposedly of the Refam.

Refam is thought to be another word that means the same thing as Nephilim. Refium, the word means the dead ones. The Og that was the king of Bayshan and had this large bed that was, I forget the exact dimensions, but it was like 18 feet long,

you know. a nine feet wide. It's a big bed. And, of course, he probably had a good time having orgies on his bed there, but a lot of women, maybe. So we still have giant, you know, at this point in the Bible, we still have giant humans or giant people or giant beings. I mean, you wrote on this. Do you believe it was a, I mean, there's the second incursion camp, and then there's the, that one of the wives of Noah's sons carried, you know, carried the genetic code. I had likewise puzzled over this.

Were these large people, the Anakim and the other races, and then Goliath and so forth, and Goliath's brothers and other guys that King David fought later, were they actually Nephilim? And so then I suddenly started thinking about the genetic aspects of this, and I started looking back into the history of Noah. And you remember Noah had three sons, Sham, Ham, and Japheth. And then after they come out of the ark, there is this kind of strange story, I think it's Genesis 9, of family problems where they plant this vineyard, harvest grapes, and they make wine, and Noah gets drunk, and he quote unquote exposes himself in the tent. Then his son Ham supposedly sees this, but doesn't do anything, but Shaman and Japheth cover him up. In the aftermath of this, here's what's curious. It says, the text of the scripture is it says that Noah, when he awoke from his wine,

he knew what his youngest son had done to him. In other words, nothing was done. It was not just seen. And who is his youngest son? If we take Shemham and Japheth, if that's the order of birth, Japheth would have been the youngest son. But the Bible often uses the term son as disson. ascendant. Okay. So it could be a grandson. It could be a great-grandson. His youngest son at that point,

therefore, may have been Canaan. And Canaan was one of Ham's sons. Okay. And then ironically, Noah doesn't curse Ham. He curses Canaan with a double curse. He says, Canaan, you're going to be the slave of Shem. And furthermore, you're going to be the slave of Japheth. So what it appears to me is that seeing the nakedness of your father, which was the euphemism there, was a euphemism that's in other parts of scripture used as some sort of sexual act. So in my estimation, it was either a homosexual act done by Canaan to Noah or a heterosexual act done by Canaan to Noah's wife. And that was the cause of the curse. So once Canaan is cursed, then of course, you know, you know, everything kind of falls apart from there.

And if you study, Canaan, of course, is the eponymous father of all the tribes that inhabited the land of Canaan. Yeah. And if you study the land of Canaan, you find out that they, the land of Canaan had the most aberrant sexual practices of any society of its time. They were probably the ones that invented sacred prostitution, where in order to ensure fertility for your crops, you had to have sex with a temple, goddess or you had to have a young girl and they'd either do the sex in the temple or they do it on what they called high places. You know, the Bible refers many times in the Old Testament to these high places or in groves of trees. And they had these what they called Asherapoles. You could think of them as pole dancing. So they were probably phallic symbols, which represented sex in the form

in the form that was done to pacify the gods, so your land would be, would have rain and would grow. And of course, they were the ones that, and you know that Joshua when he came in, he was told to wipe out certain tribes entirely. And they were the ones that were the Nephilim-related, or thought to be the Nephilim-related tribes.

And it seems like there's this theme from the beginning of the Bible until the weird stories of today, where people are being abducted, forced into sexual, weird situations, some obsession with reproduction, genetics, DNA. I mean, it goes all the way back to the dawn of time, but it's still happening very much today. And a lot of people have terrifying experiences with these things messing with them even to this day. So is that all related

to the days of Noah? And it seems like we talk a lot about this too, that these beings are often found underground. Big black eyes, smell terrible. Is it possible that some of them just went underground and can survive and they come back out and there's not as many of them, but there's still a few lingering? Was it as simple as that? Well, you know, I really can't speculate. I'm not an expert in that area. I can't speculate in whether they went underground and whether they, you know, to what extent they survived today. But I have done a fair amount of reading on UFOs and alien abductions. And this is my opinion. My opinion is that UFOs and alien abductions are demonic. And they are essentially, this whole transhumanism movement is essentially a replay of the ancient hybridization done by the Sons of God. And the Sons of God, if you look back in the book of Enoch, it was more than simply hybridization. They brought in all kinds of demonic practices. They are the ones that invented, helped invent astrology. They are the ones that invented or that helped humans invent sorcery on other other magical practices you know mediums and stuff that you know

where we have Ouija boards and things like that that to bring on Satan and bring on evil spirit bring on spirits basically came from the knowledge that was imparted via these these sons of God to people and one of the things we talk about in our show rich is that the uptick in creature sightings that we're seeing and I know that one of the things that you covered as well in one of those papers We talk about the cryptids, right? There's this, the idea that the genetic experiments didn't end with humans, or we can assume, or we can conject that there was also genetic experiments going on in the days of Noah with animals.

And then we have a lot of our mythological creatures, Pan and centaurs and all these the Egyptian stuff with Horace and the heads of animals on the bodies of people, that it's not just a bunch of mythology and legend and imagination, that they're more than likely we can assume, or at least, kind of an opinion that stuff might have happened. Right. And there's a, the people that have studied mythology will tell you, whenever you get to a myth, there's a lot of it that's probably error or made up imagined, but there's a core of reality behind it.

So my thinking about the core of reality behind, like, you know, for example, we talked about Pan, the goat man, you mentioned him, the Centaur, the horseman, the ancient Egyptians had guys like Horace, with a hawk head, Sobeck, a crocodile god, and that when you're going to personify the god, you'd put on a head of a crocodile of the head of the hawk.

Book of Inak goes into detail about the fact of these sons of God making these kind of biological weirdos, weird creatures, knowing that this is not what God wanted, was basically an anti-gone thing, and to make these things up. And that's where these legends came from.

Well, Jashir talks about it, right? Yeah, a book of Jashir, as well as a book of watchers in Enoch. Yeah, they said that the sons of men took the cattle of earth, the beasts of the field, fowled to the air, and taught the mixture of animals of one species with the other. Right. In order there with to provoke the Lord. I also quote there's an Egyptian historian, Manetho or Manetho, who discusses this. And I quote that in one of the papers.

It was interesting, too, is that we've touched on a briefly. We not really talked about it a ton, but the explosion of technology, once these sons of God came down, and the idea that there's, you know, there's the whole ancient alien theory now, which is really taken off. And we talked to Heiser a bit about this. It really taken off in the last, you know, since the 1900s or so. But really, do you think that a lot of this was these sons of God living as God kings once they had rebelled? from heaven. Well, if these sons of God did these biological experiments and created horsemen or or goat men or whatever and other forms of weird combinations of animals, we have to think that

they probably died in the flood. So the question is, how did, if Horace was, for example, was an actual hawkman after the flood, how could that have happened? My feeling is that this did not happened again after the flood, but rather the ideas were represented to themselves. By the way, Horace was the, was the son of, suppose of the son of Osiris and Isis, and all the pharaohs attributed their lineage to Horace, okay? To me, after the flood, you don't have the same misogination that you had prior to the flood. That didn't happen. But nevertheless, people had the ideas planted, already planted in their head.

And they basically use these ideas in the worship of gods. Now, other people have different thoughts, but that's my thought. So more of like a collective memory. Yeah. Like where we knew that, you know, as humans, we had this oral memory, oral tradition of these things that happened before the great cataclysm. Right. But then the question is, now getting down to today and the UFO explosion,

by the way, I just saw an article that the U.S. government is going to come out with a document that's going to reveal everything that the government knows about Roswell and a lot of other stuff. We'll see it when that happens. And by the way, I'm in the process of doing a screenplay on this subject. But let me explain it a little bit more in detail. My feeling is that Satan is basically setting up for a replay of what happened back in the days of Noah, as you indicated. People are being abducted. And there's been a lot of studies that show this.

There's an interesting book. I don't know if I've referenced it. And I don't recall the name of it. I can find it and tell your listeners. But a good book on this by a guy who's done examinations of people that have been supposedly abducted by aliens. The aliens have done biological experiments on them, and particularly women. They've been impregnated with fetuses. They're not sure exactly what the source of the spring.

is the women are are get pregnancy tests they find the pregnant sometime later they find out that they're not pregnant and they're they've been repeatedly abducted and the fetus has apparently been taken out uh women have been encouraged to hold these weird kind of baby aliens guys have been have been abducted less so than women and their sperm has been taken and possibly modified or genetically modified somehow we don't of course we don't know This may be a setup for what we have in the book of Revelation for the invasion of the locust. For the invasion of the locust. So the question is, are UFOs and all this other stuff, are they actually, is it possible that there's another society out there somewhere else in the universe?

This is another subject that's very interesting, astrobiology and astrophysics. I would highly recommend to your audience that they read the book, The Privilege Planet, by Guillermo Gonzalez. and Jay Richards. This book lays out the fact that it's very, very, very unlikely that there's any other planet anywhere in the cosmos that has the conditions that would enable life like ours to prosper and human life. And so that being the case, and of course, you guys are no doubt familiar with SETI, search for extraterrestrial intelligence, which has been going on for like 60 years now,

which are these big dishes aimed to all parts of the sky, trying to find radio signals. And what they found is nothing. And the UFOs are not, there's no evidence that these UFOs are extraterrestrial. They're supposedly somehow in the, in the ambit of Earth's atmosphere. So where do they come from? Are they on the backside of the moon?

Are they landing on Mars? Are they landing on Venus or Mercury? where would they be? So to me, the logical explanation here is that these UFOs are demonic and they're carriers of these basically these baby factories that are being used to create a hybrid army. Some people say this other, they come out from underground. Possibly.

Yeah, they see them go right into mountains and come out of mountains. Possibly. And other weird stuff. And, you know, those listening right now, I think, you know, we touched on this in the beginning of the episode, even if we don't have giant bones, there are so many weird stories in the Bible, which are not, I wouldn't say I use the word weird anymore. I just think, I used to think they were weird, like the riding on the wall or talking animals. Or the dead coming out of the tombs and walking around after the resurrection. You just skip over that on Easter. We'd like, whatever, all these dead guys came out. Think of it this way. If God created the world and if Jesus rose from the dead, how hard are any of these other things to happen? Well, sure, sure. But I think, A lot of people just get, they've been so infected by rationalism, they skip over these stories. The giants isn't any more odd than any other thing in the Old Testament or several things in the New Testament.

So this isn't, to a lot of people, this is like really strange stuff, but we can't read the stories and they're right in front of us. They almost jump out of the page. If it was a snake, we'd be dead. You know, we're just like, give us the bones. Give us the giant bones. You know, if I don't have a bone, I don't believe any of this stuff. That's what the archaeologists say. Yeah.

That's what Finkelstein says. But think of it this way, guys. Let's suppose the Nephilim were only six and a half feet tall. Let's suppose they weren't giants. They were still a six and a half foot guy to a guy that's five foot tall still looks like a giant. And they can still be massive and have an incredible physique and do a lot of damage, even if they're not nine feet or ten feet or 17 feet tall. Yeah. Even if they're only six and a half or seven.

Yeah, well, I mean, I get nerdy in this stuff. And we have giant weapons. We've got giant footprints in stone. We've got carvings of these things being huge. I think there's a lot of evidence, personally. I think there's more than enough. We brought in a guess it has 2,000 articles of newspapers from 100 years that these things are being dug up.

Right. So to me, it's almost like it feels like your demonic theory with the UFOs. I think Satan himself is kind of sweeping up all the evidence of himself until the right time. Right. Like, you know, he didn't want people to think about this stuff until it's too late, right? Until they're trapped on Pleasure Island and then he's got it. Let me give you one other scenario for this to happen.

The issue of the doctrine of the rapture is very controversial. And many Christians don't agree with it. It talks about possibly allusions of the rapture are in 1st Corinthians 15, for example. If that is true that that's going to happen, then perhaps what happens is that the demons are waiting until after that event to have this invasion of the hybrids because at that point there will be a lot more possibility for worldwide confusion and less people to refute it. And so this is another interesting tidbit for you guys.

I'm not sure if you're familiar with this. Familiar with Chris Putnam and Tom Horn. They wrote a very interesting book, which I would highly recommend your listeners get it's called exo-Vaticana. The Vatican right now has the most advanced telescope, radio telescope in the world. On the top of Mount Graham is in Arizona. Yeah, I've heard about this. The purpose of this telescope is to look for ETs, look for extraterrestrial or what they call exoplanets.

Isn't it called like Lucifer? It's called Lucifer, ironically. What? The Vatican is funding this. Okay? The Catholic Church, the parishers of the Catholic Church are funding this. And so it's constantly looking, this is employed, this is part of the SETI thing. This is part of all the money that's going. And by the way, all the space research nowadays is almost entirely devoted to search for other populations, extraterrestrial populations. The Spatican telescope is one example. Pope Francis is supporting this, of course, he is making,

as you probably are aware, is making ecumenical movements. He's already met with Muslim organizations, an attempt to bring Catholicism in more closely with Islam. And also he's met with the Dalai Lama. So there's this attempt to kind of commingle Christianity with Eastern religion, with Buddhism, and so forth. I'm not an anti-Catholic at all, but I have a lot of Catholic friends that are really good Christians. But to my mind, the Vatican has been long been a serious, serious problem.

And I have another paper on academia.org devoted to that to looking at the criticism. It's called criticism of the church that talks about the history of the Vatican. So supposedly have a bunch of crazy stuff in that library, too, that you can't really get your hands on, right? I mean, they steal the bones all the time too, I've read.

They must be in the league with the Smithsonian. Those guys are stealing all the bones. Yeah. I mean, it feels like, you know, we said this on the podcast before, like DNA wars, right? You have the tale of two bloodlines fighting, and there's a lot of similarities in, like, they both want their gospel story to win, right? Yes. Well, isn't it crushed the head of the serpent, right?

It's the whole. Right. And I'm sure you guys have noticed this, that increasingly in America, and all throughout the Western world, especially, the level of ability of other people that have different positions to accept other positions is decreasing. So we have a hardening of positions. Republicans and Democrats, which is probably the best example, can't talk to each other anymore.

They can't even look at each other. They can't even consider each other's views anymore. Oh, we get one stars or five stars. Exactly. That's all we get on our show. Exactly. They love it or hate. They love mail, right?

Yeah, we always joke about that. Yeah, it's the dichotical. me the split. Rich, do you think, do you think this whole, I got to go back to this real quick, but do you think that the psychopathy thing, right? So if, do you think are our modern day like the serial killer phenomena, you think there could be if you conject? Yes.

The possibility of the connection. That this can be related, but you can't prove it or you can't really demonstrate it, okay? Right. Nevertheless, we all know that everybody has a sin nature and that even the best of us will do evil things. or do bad things. It may be simply cheating on our income taxes

or, you know, stealing a carton of milk from the grocery store, something like that may not be psychopathology, but nevertheless, we'll lie, will deceive people, all that sort of stuff. Nate's big on stealing milk.

You got him there. That's a hard thing to steal the jug of milk. If you can steal a jug of milk, I tip my cap to you, that's pretty hard. And poor Bigfoot's just sitting in the woods and there's just this war going on. he just stays there. You know what I mean?

What is, I just keep coming back to, you know, a lot of our listeners, they come here to listen to Bigfoot stories. And then we blast him with these heavy theological,

um, threads. But I mean, my theory on Bigfoot is it fits into the story where it's a remnant. It's like a remainder. Because we still hear stories of, supposedly some of these giants still live in these caves

in like remote parts of the world. Well, let me, let me give you my, My mind is two sense on Bigfoot. Bigfoot is simply part of the Dietrichus or the result of all of this theological, heavy theological stuff that we've been talking about. Yeah.

Kind of the tail end of it. Like a chimera, a goat man. Yes. But not a Camara. He may actually be real. To really appreciate Bigfoot, you have to know more than just Bigfoot or no more than whether there's Bigfoot bones or whether he's living underground, you have to dig farther back into history like we've done today to talk about the antecedents to this.

Yeah. And that's what we have explored over the past time that we've been talking, been chatting. Yeah, and that's where we get the one stars from the Bigfoot people because they don't, they just want to hear the weird stories. They don't want to, they don't want the answers, but we want to get the answer. It's all related, Nate. This is like the point of the whole thing, right? is that I think all these things are related.

This is just made the Bible more a cohesive story. Oh, yeah. Where from the beginning to end, you have a problem. So what do you see the future? I mean, that's the next question. Like, what's coming down the pipe? Is Bigfoot going to come out of the woods and join this end times war? What's coming?

I don't know. I mean, you got UFOs flying around. How weird is it going to get, Rich? I mean, we want to know. Well, we know, I'll tell you, there's one symbol, one definite symbol that you can know that we're in the end times. And that is that Israel came back as a nation in 1948. So we know that we are living in the end times. Now, I don't have any better answers than anybody else.

And I'm sure if you ask that question to Michael Heiser or they're not going to have any good answers for you either. because we don't know. Jesus says nobody knows the time, the era that this is going to happen. But nevertheless, the signs are there. And here are the signs that we see. In addition to Israel coming back as a nation, you have increasing storms, okay, that we've seen across the planet, many more hurricanes, tidal waves, things like that. That's one of the signs of the end. We see there's an increase in peace and safety. Israel has made peace with, with a lot of, lot of its Arab protagonists or Arab antagonists, I should say. The UAE, not now possibly Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Yemen, and South Oman, etc. So we may be entering that era where we have like

quote unquote peace and safety. At the same time, we have a lot of wars. We have this increasing culture war where people are getting less and less able to even consider the opinions of anybody else to me is a significant factor. We're having a lot of UFO activity. It's so common that you never even hear about it anymore. I got a comedian buddy who jokes about it. Like, like 2020 was so, so wild and crazy that like we had all these alien, you know, UFO reveals by the government and didn't even blip on anyone's radar. It reminds me of, it reminds me of a great Bigfoot meme I saw today, Luke. It was, it was the car of Simpsons and everyone's got a scow on their face, but Homer's smiling, and it says, when you just have to talk about Bigfoot,

but kill the conversation. Rich, do you think this is something that I've been thrown around for a while? Because every time we talk about aliens, I cringe a little bit, right? And it just is like, I just don't. But I think the worldview you bring, my thought is this. Do you think that this whole thing is a conditioning to set up for, you know, a close encounter, like an actual reveal where we have this alien encounter and that ushers in, I don't know, the, you know, those seven years of tribulation, or do we have, is the Antichrist going to be,

you know, this hybrid alien that says, like, you know, this is all a big experiment? It's just the great deception. Are we looking at, like, the conditioning or the, or the hastening for the great deception by this increase in all this activity? I believe so, yes. If you read that book, Exo Vanikana, and you look at the statements that the people from the Catholic Church are making, they're preparing us for alien invasion, for our space brothers. who are going to come down, solve the problems of the world, solve global warming.

They will eliminate racism. They will eliminate patriarchy. They will eliminate free enterprise and socialize us, you know, which is, of course, what Bernie and Biden and company want to do and others of their crowd. And so basically, at some point, there will probably be a, the Space Brothers arriving. Now, whether or not this comes after or before the rapture or whether the rapture is associated with that,

I think is an interesting concept, because if it comes afterwards, you have less, you have very, very few people who could refute it or who would want to refute it left. Right. So the potential for worldwide deception is very, very high.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, we already, we already see the fight, you know. A lot of people, you know, you have two camps. People think that this mask is protecting you from this virus, and other people are swear it's conditioning. You know, they're just conditioning you to do what they say. And either side can convince either side of either's point, right?

Right. But, yeah, it feels like we are. You only listen to your buddies. Yeah. You don't listen to the other side. Just blurry creatures mostly. Yeah, we get weird. So people can, we're slowly trying to open people's

minds to a lot of this stuff and to figure out, you know, we call Bigfoot the gateway drug because it sort of opens your mind to, you know, a lot of people just like to stay there and they don't want to go back in time and ask themselves some harder questions of maybe the ancient world was crazier than I thought. And when you were, just a minute ago when you were saying about the future, someone said the days of Noah, when Jesus talked about the days of no one returning, for lack of better words, the fourth dimension and the third dimension are going to be interacting again, right? So we've sort of had this era of humanity where it's kind of just us right now. You know what I mean? It's been going on since after the

flood and then there was a little bit of left and they washed it out and then it's kind of just the age of humans or to make it Lord of the Ringsie, the Age of Hobbits or, you know, and now age of man. Yeah, the age of man. And now we're kind of like, so you think our our brothers that are come out of the sky, it's going to be that amalgamation of spirit world and humans again. And they're going to, they're going to sell it to us like it's a good thing. Absolutely. Of course they'll sell it to you like it's a good thing. That's the only way they can sell it. Yeah. I mean, this is what Albarino calls the elder race, right? It's the angelic race. And this will be the, I've heard, I don't know who was saying it or we were talking about, Nate,

but it was the idea that the rapture would be rationalized by, oh, look, we just, the, you know, the aliens, we just removed all of the racists and bigots and everybody else that, you know, that Tony said that. Yeah, it was Tony. It was what Tony said, right? But it's like this whole idea that like, really all you're going to erase anybody who knows that the truth of what's going on because all the white guys. We're done. One star. We're a toast. I'm ginger. I'm different. One star. No, it's fascinating. I think that like our, your thoughts on on the UFO phenomenon.

and my unrich are really in that I'm sure Nate I don't speak for Nate but really line up I think that's that's where I land it's the the idea that there's all these other there's people from other planets to just fly around and don't have any inter really have interaction but do kidnap people allegedly but don't have it's just it's a weird it's really harder to believe that I think than then then we're having this interaction with you know with something demonic and we always we've talked about this a number of times but God's omnipresent but he's the only omnipresent being And in order for other things to be other places, they have to travel, just like anything else, just like we do.

Right. And we had this crazy story from Tony Merkel and from the Confessionals podcast about this craft that they found, that these special forces found and had anachian language in it, like this dead demonic language. And I just think it all kind of starts to line up in some ways. There are people that hold on. They want to hold on to the Bigfoot's a gigantic. antipithecus and that aliens are really just you know these grays and little green men from other planets but just the deeper we get down the rabbit hole nate the harder is i find any of that to be credible yeah rich i got sorry go ahead i was going to say i have i have like one one more

question about that um why the spacecrafts is this does this relate to like the weird megaliths that they build that they had this they had this technology that we don't quite understand i mean because some people just, I think that's what throws them for a loop is they're still like flying machines. Like if they were in the demonic realm, why are the machines? That's the question that's a little harder to answer. What do you think about that? Well, I'm not really sure about that. That may be part of the deception.

You know, the Bible says all over the time that Satan was a deceiver from the very beginning. And so this may be, maybe an element, a necessary element of the whole UFO deception, the demons you have to use these craft to get around, which I don't think they probably do. Could that be like in Ezekiel, the wheel within the wheel? Is there like, has this stuff been going on since day one, like these craft,

maybe they have always been using them? Possibly. I mean, we can't really know. But the whole idea of ancient aliens, here's the problem with ancient aliens. If ancient aliens created, us, who created them? Where do they come from? That's problem number one. Problem number two is, like I was telling you before, the privileged planet problem. It's virtually impossible to find

any place in the universe where you could even have microbial life, any other planet. All the conditions, you have to get into this a little bit to appreciate this. There are so many interconnected systems in this planet, in the geology of the planet, in the interior of the planet, in the atmosphere around us, in the, in our animals. And then one, one common example is the fact that that you need both trees and animals to exist because the animals produce carbon dioxide, which are used by the trees, which in turn produce oxygen that the animals need, and that we need. It's a symbiotic. So there are. There are these incredibly complex feedback system.

It's virtually impossible that there's any other place in the entire cosmos that has these conditions. Yeah. So given that fact, the whole ancient alien stuff, it just isn't tenable. It's not reasonable. I love it. I love it. Heiser says he's got thousands of documents that haven't been published that they could blow holes in it all. But, you know, it's hard because we talked about that, that it's just got better marketing, right?

Right. Luke and I came from the entertainment industry. We understand marketing. In some ways, you can polish a turd and put it out there and people will buy it. It's like, oh, that's weird. But here's the thing. My thought is it's because the church doesn't talk about the weird stuff. And people see weird stuff. They see a UFO. They go to church. They get no explanation of what does the UFO fit into my Sunday sermon. So what do they do? They turn on ancient aliens and like, well, this is more meat potatoes for me. So I think we're doing ourselves a disservice by not talking about weird topics like Bigfoot aliens. I agree with you. Yeah. And that's why I'm happy to come on and share these ideas. Yeah, we love it. This is why I want to get, I want to, I'm not satisfied with just Bigfoot. I want to go deeper.

Yeah, me too. I want to know where did this come from? What are the origins? Why did it all this happen? Yeah. I love it. We start out with the giants are psychopathic. We talked about the lineage of ham and then we ended up, somehow we ended up in a weird

weird UFO I mean this is just so blurry creatures man I love it yeah tonight you're gonna be going out doing your biggest

best bigfoot call in your backyard and yeah who knows what we started who knows yeah right

well we appreciate it yeah rich thanks for coming on let our listeners know where they can find your work um

find you if they want if they want to send you an email or connect and give yourself a little plug here and um okay

you can find my articles on academia.edu or the same articles are posted on my website, Richard Sorensen.com. That's S-O-R-E-N-S-E-N, Richard Sorensen.com. My two novels are available on Amazon, on Holy Grail. You can look up that, along with my name, if you want to get in touch with me. My email address is Rich, R-I-C-H at Westerness, and that's Western, W-S-T-E-R-N-E-S-E. com and if you know anything about westernness you'll detect that i am a tokyan

officianado uh westernness is a is a is one of the words for heaven in that in that novel series middle earth Nate middle earth I get you going that gives you that juice oh man I mean some people say that he knew too much so that's a but that's an episode that's an episode for the future um right yeah I love it I love I can come back and talk about that yeah a whole Tolkien and then we can talk about the trash and everything. Yeah, Luke and I were just talking about that the other day that like maybe, you know, the age of when the hobbits, they knew something happened in the past, but, you know,

the fires of mortar started to burn again. And it sounds like we're right there. Like the fires are burning again. And there's a lot of people who don't know the story, right? They don't know the weirdness of the history. But there's a couple hobbits that know this and they're trying to get the word out. Right. So we appreciate you coming on our show.

Getting the word out about this stuff. Getting minds brewing, helping us answer some of these questions. You know, not be worried about the future, but ask some existential questions that are hard to ask. But Bigfoot will do that to you. Right. He'll get you scratching your head and then saying your prayers in a weird way.

I'm not any great scholar or any great writer. I'm just one guy who was investigated this stuff and I'm just sort of plotting along trying to figure it all out. Yeah. So we're glad to have you because we're all rowing the same direction right now. Yeah.

Right. More questions than answers. Well, Richard, thanks so much. Next time you get upset with your wife, Luke. Think twice because it could be some genetic problem. Right. Listen, man, if you're self-aware enough and you have empathy, I think I'm safe at this point.

point. Yeah. Put that nice back on the draw. Yeah. Exactly. Leave that gallon of milk on the shelf at Kroger. Yeah. You clepto.

Yeah. Let's do it. Richard, until next time, if you have any new discoveries or weird stuff or anyone, yeah, just any more information on the Giants, feel free to hit us up with an email, and you're welcome to come back on any time. I love your open-mindedness, but yet all your hardcore study into these topics. It's a great blend of not too many PhDs. and talk about aliens and UFOs.

And it's just, it's great to be able to talk to someone with your accolades and also your open-mindedness. So thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All the best to you guys.

Thank you much. And I hope you guys have a huge impact on people. Appreciate it. Thanks. We'll let you know when the episode comes out. We need, we need to impact people in any way that we can. Agreed. Agreed completely.

And that's what we're trying to, we're just trying to do. We're trying to ask the questions and, and, you know, we're trying to ask the questions and, you know, and just get, you know, I don't know if it's red pill people necessarily, but just give people, really, it would just provide a space to talk about these things because I believe this, the unknown and the things that we can't really wrap our heads around or don't want to talk about with our friends or we feel like those kind of things will end up dying on the vine if you don't have a space, you know, to, and you're, I think you nailed it 100% that, like, we're seeing a massive,

you know, onslaught in war against the marketplace of ideas. And if we're not able to talk, talk about our ideas and our opinions and talk them out and even find the fallacies and things wrong in them, or even open our minds a little bit, if we're not allowed that space or don't have that space, then we're really living in a place where we're not able to grow as a society. And I fear that we're heading that direction. Right. That's a sad thing, but this thing is true.

We're trying to be a beacon out here. So. All the best of you guys. We don't have our Sunday night book club. We got to get it going. No, we do. We do. I know.

There you go. Nate, you're a big book reader, though. You're a book on tape guy. I got too much ADD. I'm just like, what's that? Get that Walkman fired up.

Hey, so Rich, we've got an 80s theme on our show. So a lot of, because we're all, we're 80s kids. Okay, that's cool. I like 80s. You'll hear it.

You'll hear it. We talk a lot about, we talk a lot about. Sounds great. Yeah. Well, thanks again. I appreciate it. Well, thank you for being up for having me in the show.

We'll see you now, guys.