Blurry Creatures - EP: 350 Noah's Ark Found? The Durupinar Formation Investigation with Andrew Jones

Episode Date: August 19, 2025

In this episode, we unpack the explosive research that set the world news cycle ablaze this spring. Andrew Jones and his team produced groundbreaking geophysical scans and soil analyses in Eastern Turkey, suggesting the legendary Noah’s Ark may have been found. Join us as we dive into the murky ground of Turkey’s Durupinar formation with the founder of Noah’s Ark Scans. We go deep into the mountains of Eastern Turkey to explore what could be humanity's greatest archaeological discovery.  From Ron Wyatt's pioneering work in the 1970s to the cutting-edge use of ground-penetrating radar, which reveals underground chambers, we examine the compelling evidence at the Durupinar Formation. Could this 515-foot boat-shaped anomaly, sitting exactly 300 cubits long, really be Noah's Ark? We discuss the advanced ship design, soil analysis showing 3x higher organic matter inside the formation, mysterious drogue stones scattered nearby, and the controversial giant graves that have vanished with their golden treasures.  Is this the fossilized frame of the Ark, or has nature played masterful mimic?  Come along on this incredible journey to the Iranian border, where ancient history meets modern science and cutting-edge research may uncover the final resting place of Noah's Ark and a link to the Biblical Flood.  - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Welcome to the podcast. Welcome to Blurry Creatures, Andrew Jones, fellow 916 Defecto. Yeah. And grew up in Sacramento, for those that don't know what 916 means. You're the lead researcher behind the NOAA's arc scans, and we're excited to go back in time and talk about this might be the possible arresting. site of Novasark out in Turkey near Mount Ararat.

Welcome to the podcast. I know you've been doing some investigations of the Drupinar formation, which is like a lot of people have sent us these pictures over the years. It looks like a big boat. It looks like a big something in the ground. And we're going to talk about that today. So welcome to the podcast. Thanks for coming on.

And I would love to get into this story and learn more about this formation. Well, thanks for having me on. I like to share whatever you guys want to know about the site and explain, you know, what we have found and what we want to do in the future at the site. And yeah, I'm happy to be here. I guess you can give us some basics. You know, why this is, there's a lot of skepticism on both sides. If this is like actually just a natural formation or this is actually like some sort of

petrified ancient boat or a shape of a boat or something interesting. So I guess you could just give us the bare bones. and then we can kind of ask some more in-depth questions. Sure. So the site itself, those who know about it, can ignore this part, but it was discovered in 1959 on September 11th, an interesting date. But it was kept in Drupadar, the site is named after him. And he was one he discovered it.

He was a photographer with the Turkish military. So in 1959, Turkey joined NATO. And so they were mapping out their country, especially these eastern areas, which at the time bordered the Soviet Union. And so they had high-flight aircraft taking these aerial photography of photographs. And he was mapping, making the maps of these photographs. And so he noticed in one of them, this boat-shaped object, basically like popping out of the ground at him. And so within a week, it hit the news.

It was in Turkish press. And then by October that year, the next month, the actual photographs, were released by the Turkish military. And American and Worldwide Press actually picked up a story and published the black and white photographs. These were high altitude photos that were published. And so people wanted to go see the site. So an American group went out there in June of 1960

to investigate the site and see what was there. They actually hooked up with the Turkish military and Captain Durepinar. And the report from that first expedition on the ground, was published at Life magazine and then Hyatt magazine in Turkey which was the same name Life and so they showed

this boat formation in this mud flow all around it was this rough terrain and right there where this boat was you just had this nice semi flat smooth terrain which is grass growing on it but in the shape of a boat and then when they measured it it turned out to be exactly

300 cubits long mentioned in the Bible as the length for Noah's Ark, and it was a boat shape. So that got people excited, but at the time, because they had no way to excavate, they were just on the ground walking around. They basically left with no other plans to investigate. So the site kind of left the news. But in 1961, the Turkish military hired Ara Guler, who was a famous photographer in Turkey, and he went, they put him on a small plane and he flew a low altitude over the site and took a lot of photographs from different angles.

And in those you can clearly see this perfectly preserved boat shape. And so this, again, the site was kind of forgotten about. And then it started in the late 1970s and throughout the 80s and into the 90s, the American explorer Ron Wyatt went out there and was doing work. And he basically got the site back in the news and got everyone excited about it. But he passed away in 99. Then this site again, kind of got left in the archives of the news. But so my first trip out here was because of Ron.

And I heard about him. I was as a kid in middle school in Sacramento. And that's how I got involved because he came out and did some meetings in the Sacramento area in I think it was 1990. but it might have been 91. And then I called him up on the phone. I tried talking to him. This was before the Internet. And so, you know,

I was making these long-distance phone calls to Tennessee, trying to figure out, I asked him a ton of questions, I remember. And then my parents saw the phone bill the next month. I want to know who I was calling. This was before unlimited minutes and all that. Yeah.

And so I said, well, you know, this is the guy who said he found the Ozark. So technically, Drupanar found it, But Ron was very instrumental in getting it into the press back in the 80s. And so by 1987, the Turkish government actually declared it a national park for the geological, you know, for the shape.

No excavations ever been done, but they believe that it should be preserved so that the local farmers don't plow it up or, you know, before something could be done. So they built a visitor center over the site in 87 and made it this national park. And then by 97, 10 years later, that was my first trip out to the site. And that started basically me going back and forth many times since then. And then by 2020, when the pandemic hit, I was actually already in Turkey in February that year. And I was about to go to Saudi Arabia for a tour down there. And all the borders closed. So I obviously canceled the tour.

but I was here in Turkey and my friend here. So why don't you stay here? We can work with the locals, make connections with the government officials and the archaeologist and try to do work here on the site. And so that's when I started. They said, okay, yeah, once we'll stay here is cheaper to live here. I think California. And that's how I got to be over here versus going back home.

Isn't you have to do, was it nine to dial for a long distance? I'm trying to remember back in the day. Yeah. Or one? I had to dial 411 to get the operator first, and they gave me Ron's phone number. He was actually in the directory. I had bought his book, and it said, you know, I mentioned his name and P.O. Box in the front. So I just called 4.1.

I said, can you find a phone number for Ronald Wyatt in Madison, Tennessee? And the lady said, yes, and you want me to connect? He said, okay, sure. Wait, how old are you at this time, Andrew? Are you like a... This was early teens. So I was in seventh grade. So, like, you know, 13, 14.

So, yeah, and I would talk him for hours. After that, I don't know if I, I'm sure I annoyed him. But I would call back. And then he was willing to talk for a couple hours at his time. And finally, he came out to Sacramento in 95 and 96. I invited him and some friends and I paid for his ticket. And he did a series of meetings and lectures in Northern California. And one of them was the site we set up in Sacramento.

So one was in Woodside. Another place was downtown Sacramento area. We had a church that had rented a theater. And so he gave his lectures there, showed his video clips. And then the very next year in 97, I was in college. And a friend of mine from Florida, he said, hey, I need a travel companion. He was with Ron on the tour in 91. But because this area was very unstable politically, that the Turkish military turned the bus full of Americans around and said,

You can't drive out there. And so my friend was on that tour, and he was denied, you know, going out to see the Ark. So he said, hey, let's go see Noah's Ark, which was 97. And he said, but don't tell Ron. He's going to try to talk this out of it. No. And so I decided right before the trip to call Ron and tell him that we're going. And it was good.

Ron, but the first time I said it, Ron said, you tell Bill to call me right now. But then I talked to Bill later, Bill Fry, who the guy I was traveling with. And he said, well, Ron was upset at first, but now we're going to be taking some posters and giving some money to a local guy there who watches over the site. But it turned out we were able to put some posters up in this visitor center building that was just 10 years before built. But, you know, when I got out here, it was like you felt like the Wild West, like no tourist. You know, this is even the mid-90s. The tourism wasn't really a thing out here. I remember Ron gave us a piece of advice.

He said when you leave the country or that area, don't tell the locals exact date. Like if your flight is tomorrow or like next Monday, I should say, tell them that you're going to leave on the Wednesday after that. Obviously you leave and before you say you're going to leave. Because he had some bad experiences out here, people try to rob them and kill them and, you know, things like that. That's a lifelong pursuit you've had here, you know, like I and we love that because. Sometimes it feels like when you get that phone bill, it's like the crash site document. You can't read it. There's a bunch of numbers, random fees, vague language, stuff's blacked out.

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It's a calling where you don't plan it. You come out here just on a one week trip. You just want to see it for yourself. Then you go back home and people say, hey, tell me what you saw. And then I started doing presentations. And then I made some YouTube videos. And then soon they blew up.

And then people wanted to go on trips. So I had to do tours. But just wanting to do more research. Because the site was kind of abandoned. In fact, the business center was run down and the water coming down into the floor. And so in 2022, too, we got permission to renovate it and put in large posters and made a media room. People can watch videos about the site.

We have an area where they can see the fossils that are found around it. You're at an area that has a lot of seashells and fossilized sand dollars and coral. So, yeah, we spent a lot of time and money renovating the building and working through the local politics. And then also just doing the science behind it, which I'll explain to you. you guys when you want, but basically we were able to do more geophysical surveys, chemical analysis. We have more planned. But a lot of this took a lot of time just to get to know the locals and the system and, you know, things move slowly in the Middle East and in Turkey.

So we had to push through and the multiple people trying to scam you out of money, you know. So it's just it took a lot of effort. But we're still, you know, still at it. We're not finished. So some of the governments are pro for these things and some of them are anti. What's the government? Well, it depends on who we're dealing with. You know, at first, you meet somebody and they're barely friendly.

You know, you're kind of naive and you're thinking, oh, man, they want to help. So you have people that will be like that and treat you nicely. Now, I've always been treated nicely out here. It's very hospitable to people. But there are those probably like, just like an America anywhere else, that have other motives. And out here, because of the economy, they usually the people who want to do harm, they want money.

So we run into people like that where they'll promise to help, but they want a certain amount of money. Or they'll ask, they'll say, hey, I'll show you a special site, like some archaeological discovery they made, but you know, but you need to give me some money, you know. Yeah. And so it's been, it can be difficult navigating all that, especially if you don't know anyone here.

But, you know, thankfully I was able to become friends with people who I've trusted over the years now and have helped me in the translation, you know, being translators or guides or just, you know, drivers. And they've been able to warn me as hell,

hey, that person there is known for scamming or this person, what's up. So that has been very helpful. But the government officials, it depends who you talk to. There are those who are obviously pro-tourism. And, you know,

any opportunity to bring out more tourists. They don't care what you do kind of mentality. There are those, though, who are more cautious. And, for example, the type of research you want to do on the site, they don't want excavations yet. And we've heard different reasons. And so, you know, working through just promoting what we can do on the site. But some of the reasons I've given, and so it depends.

If you talk to someone who's really religious and they're a Muslim, then they'll say, well, the art. is on Judy. The Quran mentioned the Ark landing on Mount Judy. And so now there's a traditional Mount Judy about 200 miles or so south of here in another province that borders Iraq. And that's where they'll say, in fact, that province

promotes Noah's Ark down there. But the State Department tells people they don't go there for Americans and you can get kidnapped. So they don't get a lot of tourists down there. The province were in here. There might be some warnings, but you get a lot of tourists coming, especially to climb the biggest mountain in Turkey, which is Mount Air.

rat. But you know, you meet these people that say Judy, but we have local Islamic scholars from the museum, the university here in Agri province, which is where the site is, and there's borders Iran. In fact, we're one mile from the Iranian border. And the local scholars will say, well, the name Judy in the Quran, it just doesn't mean one mountain. It just talking about this high mountain range. It just means high place or high altitude. And so that's how they get around that. And so they're able to promote the drip on our site without being against the Quran. And then other reasons we've heard, they say, well, what if you dig it up? Like, if you do actual excavation, you don't find anything, then you just ruined the tourist site. And, of course, we're willing to take that risk because we believe the data shows there's something there. There might be another way to do, like an excavation that's not a traditional method, put in a big hole in the site. because the site is fragile, but all these years, the boat formation has stayed there, it hasn't changed. Meanwhile, all around it has changed.

You know, every spring you get storms, you know, the winter storm, they get snow at the site, harsh winters. And so the mud around it, the dirt and terrain has changed. You know, we have a series of photographs from the first photo in 59, then using the declassified U.S. spy satellite photographs for this area. and then looking at our drone photographs since 2018 onward. And then even people's photographs this on the ground. But looking at it, you will see that the terrain around this boat shape has always moved. Every year it's changing. There's a new previs open up.

There's a new stream. But the arc site is still a 550 feet long. It's still a boat shape. Nothing's changed about it. It has not fallen apart. It has not become longer. So it suggests that the site is very stable. Like there's something below the surface that's holding it together.

And that's what we're investigating trying to figure out. Andrew, I want to ask you. Yeah, so you got there in the 90s. You have this connection with Ron Wyatt and it sparks its interest. You go check it out. What for you made you feel like it was worth further investigation? Obviously, it's a shape. Obviously, it has the right sizes.

If we talk about cubits in the Bible. And then it was interesting what you said about Judy is we know that like the biblical translation is the mountains of Errat. It's the same kind of thing where. It doesn't necessarily need to be Mount Ararat. I've heard this from a lot of folks saying that it's somewhere in the mountains would have been the language. Mountains of Ararat, not Mount Ararat. But this is right location. What was it that kind of tip the scales for you to be like, we've got to do more here?

Oh, for sure. In regards to the second point from mountains of Arat, yeah, the biblical account in Genesis says mountains, a lot of people gloss over that and they'll immediately say, oh, there's Mount Arat. It's the tallest mountain. Let's go climate. It's a strato volcano. It's about 17 miles north of us. You can see it from the site

to go across the valley from the mountain. Very beautiful mountain. But yeah, a couple scholars actually pointed that out. Local scholars, so Muslim scholars, well, this is exactly what you're saying. We believe Judy is a mountain range and not an actual peak. And same with what we say about Mount Ararat, that the Bible says it's a mountain range.

Urartu is the name that's originally where we get Arrat from. The English word air rat comes from this ancient kingdom of Urar 2. and that was a nation state here that was in the mountains. So the mountains of Earat is the mountainous kingdom. Just like I could say Nozark landed in the mountains of Canada or the Rocky Mountain. The same idea. It's a general area. They're not a specific place on the map.

And that's where the site is. Now, so when I first went out here, I had what, you know, the early people in the 80s like Ron Wyatt, David Faseld, John Baumgartner, Dr. Sallie Barak-Tuton. these are people who had investigated the site and came away with different points and ideas as to the state of preservation and the work that they did. So they did, again, no excavations, but Ron did, for example, chemical analysis on a couple of his samples

he'd taken these soil samples from the late 70s and in 84. Then they did Nell detector scans. This is to see if there's any metal in the site. Him and Fasel, then later Dr. Salli brought Tutan and Dr. John Bob Nourner, they did radar scans, which lets you see below the service without digging up anything. And so that was the state of, you know, the investigation besides, you know, taking photographs of it and measuring the object, but nothing else.

So my first trip there, it was great to see it. And it was like, oh, and I didn't think I was going to investigate. I was middle of college. I wasn't thinking, oh, I'm going to go out there and see what's there and, you know, start planning investigations. Ron was alive at the time. Fasel was alive. Sadly, both passed away

within a couple of years after that. And then when I came back here in 2000, it was right in the year after Ron died. It was kind of a trip because some friends were going, so I joined up. And they were trying to figure out what to do. Ron White's gone now. And let's just go look at the site.

And we met up with Dr. Saldi-Brog-Tutong. He at the time was the main Turkish geologist who was investigating that area, that region. But he knew everything about almost every rock in that area. And he's still alive. In fact, he just got into town today, and we're interviewing him for a film we're making the show in the Businesser Center.

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So that uses electricity instead of radar, you know, which uses electromagnetic signals. that thousands of the time the second will shoot into the ground and then map out the reflections coming back and the computer software. Well, ERT uses electricity current. And so whatever is more resistive, it'll map that out. So if you have like a rock or a pocket of air or water or, you know, types of soil, it will go faster or slower through those type of material. And the computer system, the software can make a map, a 3D map of what's below the ground.

And so it's a way to peer below the soil without disqual. disturbing it, just like the radar. And so this guy from New Zealand, he did the same thing in 2014. But that was the extent and, but I had access to the data and the results. And I asked the local friends, I will, can we go further? Can we finally excavate? Now, he at that time was quite positive that it could happen. And we even thought in 2016 that something would happen.

But sadly in July of that year, they had a coup attempt out here. I don't remember. and Turkey went into a state of emergency, whatever you call it, that basically it was very impossible to do anything. They had mass arrests, and people were being fired from their jobs, and it was just kind of chaos. And so I just stayed away from Turkey.

And then in 2018, I came back, and it was still, you know, iffy about what could be done. But we met that fall, a Turkish archaeologist. And she, you know, at the time, we trusted her a lot, to this lady, but she was making statements to us, oh yeah, I can help you guys get permits so we can do an exclamation. She said this was part of her master's degree program.

She wanted to make study of Noah's Ark into that. And so the next year, we got permission to do new radar. So for myself, the reason why I got involved was because I thought that we had newer technology and that what was done in the past was very not just, I don't want to say limited, but, you know, for example, the GPR back in 1984 and 85 or in 86, I think was actually the first year they did it. It was analog.

So as you pulled the radar over the ground, you get a printout on thermal paper right there. You know, that was the first time actually in Turkey GPR was ever used was at the arc site, according to Dr. Biroc Tuton. But well, now, fast forward in 2019, over, you know, 20 years later, you're looking at, you know, digital systems that you can make 3D models and you can slice a nice. sit on a computer, all the different points, this cloud of data that the system will collect. And it just happened that we don't, not when we got permission that year, but that was the end of September, I remember when the archaeology said, yeah, we can do radar work. But I only had a three-week window because by October, I think it was like 19th or so. This was 2019.

I was leaving the country. And, you know, usually it's, you know, snowy out here, into November. November. So I had three weeks to number one. I'll find a company that could do the work, fundraise, and bring them out here. And, of course, hopefully there's good weather because you can't do radar in the rain. So it all worked out. I mean, everything worked out. In fact, it was kind of really bad weather the week before we had clouds and mist and some rain. But the days, I remember they arrived on a Sunday. And Monday through Thursday, the team out there collecting the data, the GPR and LiDR and the guys with a thermal kit.

cameras, they had completely sunny days, some of the best weather I've seen. You can look at from the site, you can look out and see Armenia way in the distance, the mountains in Armenia. Then Friday, they had an extra day to sightsee and it rained on the team. The work was finished and rain came. And so, you know, everything was perfect. And it just so happened that that week that they came out to do the work was the week planned already by the Science Channel in their permit.

that they had gotten in the months before to film the site. They had contacted me in the summer, and they wanted to come out and film. And I said, well, we don't have anything planned, but they had to pick a date for their permit, their film permit from the Turkish government. And these guys show up right at the very end, we realize, you know, like this is the same time

we're going to be doing the GPR work. So they had now something to film, and that was actually showing the next year in 2020 on cable television. But the data we got, this is stuff that was now even reanalyzed a couple of years ago in 2023 by a new geophysicist. And she was able to find corridors, no tunnels on the ground. And this was what was in the newspapers this year, a complete system going. And then even a big, if you follow it a hole or a void or I call it the atrium in the middle that goes through all the levels.

They look basically a big pit, a squareish pit that starts about six meters down and goes. those 13 meters and beyond when our data is collecting below the surface. So, and then, of course, we're seeing angular structures. We're seeing parallel and writing perpendicular structures, all suggested that there's something below the surface that is not this random noise, you know, like rocks and dirt. Yeah. So wait, so this year, I mean, this story was huge this year, Andrew. like it, you know, it hit every major media outlet.

Are those the findings from 2020? Or did you have new scans that you guys did this year? Well, no. So what happened, I had a couple of newspapers. In fact, I saw one comment on one of the British newspapers, and the person was saying, oh, they paid for this. You know, people contacted us, the reporters. We didn't pay for anything.

And what happened, they were writing, I don't know why they were just regurgitating the story. They were bored or had a slow news cycle. but they were writing one of the articles about the Drupner site, and one of them contacted me, said, you have anything new to share. I said,

oh, yeah, we do. And so I shared what the 20203, reanalysis of the 2019 GPR was shown with the corridors, the possible rooms, and then the big, you know, they call it atrium or hole in the ground in the middle.

That's not filled in. She was saying you can walk through these places. Wow. They're not filled a mud, and so I shared. And so I shared that with them. But the big thing we had also done, and I mentioned this to the newspaper reporters,

was that in September of last year, Dr. Sally Brack Tutan and Bill Crabtree, who was a soil scientist from Australia, who happened to be on one of my tours in September, they did analysis of the soil that hadn't been done. Now, Ron, Wyatt did do basic analysis on two spots that he had collected soil from in 1977 that gave some interesting results.

Just from two sites, it was showing that the inside the boat had almost 2.75% higher carbon than outside. But it was only done, you only had one sample from inside and one sample from outside. So you can't really do a statistical analysis of that. You only have, you know, what if that one spot just happened to have higher carbon because a lot of minerals right there or something or a decayed,

tree was happening to be right there. So, but that was really, you know, what he was doing was great because no one else was doing that. This was 77. He did that. Now, so when in 2024, last year, when we were out there with the tour, I told the geologist, the Turkish geologist, Dr. Birock Tutan, I said, hey, look, you know, I'll find the drone over, we're looking at these photographs and the grass that's growing.

This is the first year I noticed this, but I'm sure every year this happens. But the grass that grows inside the boat shape was a yellow colored, totally different color. fully different colors than right outside the formation. The grass growing in the terrain around it in the mud flow, earth flow. So I told them, hey, why don't you guys design a study? I'm not a geologist, but you know, you guys design a study that would determine what's going on here, some type of soil analysis. And so we happen to have a soil scientist right there in the group.

And, you know, they're just on a tour to see the site. They weren't planning to do any work. But, Sally got permission to take these samples. And so he went out there and he collected, I think it was 88 samples across, you know, random sites inside and outside of the boat, 88 different locations. And then by December that year, he had gotten the analysis back from his old university at a Turkey University in Erzurum, Turkey. And what it showed was that inside the boat, it was actually matching on the carbon level. but we measured for organic matter, and it was showing that there was almost three times higher organics

inside the boat across the site versus just right outside, which was very important for us because, you know, if this was an ancient decayed wooden boat that has decayed over time, you know, buried here under the ground, it should affect the soil. And so then on top of that, we got, I think it was eight, times the pH level was eight times lower inside. And so then there's one other one that I keep forgetting, is the phosphorus or potassium that was,

I think it was potassium that was higher inside versus outside. And so a combination of all this together, and when we talked to Bill, who's the soil scientist, and then a couple of his friends who also were soil scientists, when they reviewed the data and agree that they agree, that these were the analysis that these points that we had taken were showing significant differences inside the site that they said, yeah, a wooden vessel would do this type of thing to the soil.

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But we saw that the soil was different, you know, the grass is going. And that's when we said, hey, let's just find out, you know, whether the results are positive or negative. Let's see what it shows. And that's when it came back that we had definitely way higher, or, you know, organic matter inside the site. So that just gave us another clue to move forward. And that's consistent, as you said, those numbers, the levels of pH, the levels of carbon, that's all consistent with the decay of wood, as your point.

Just to surmise for something wooden was there, basically. Yeah, that decayed. Yeah. So what about, I mean, obviously, those audio listeners, it looks like something. left the hot iron on a clothes for too long and it burned this like I mean it looks just like a hot iron

you know a shape into the ground if you're not looking if you're driving or whatever you can't see it what other parts or evidence or interesting facts associated with this site that you know you're saying there's seashells other things that are like kind of anomalous to

this area that give clues that we're not just trying to make this site into something it isn't. There's other things. There's rumors that the boat had these giant weights on it that are like left in the area as well. Is there things like that that support this as being just more than an interesting site? Yeah. So, you know, I think excavations will obviously get us to under the ground and seeing what we think we're seeing with the scans.

But it's more than that. So, for example, if you just look at how we approach the site, in the past, you know, everyone like Ron Wyatt and Fazzled and Baumgartner, even Saliap Byraq Tutan who's around, you know, what got everyone's attention was the ship's shape. Yeah. Now, why is that important? Well, here's a good example of something that if you think it's Noah's Ark, like someone trying to force it, Noah's Ark. A lot of people think Noah's Ark was this rectangular barge. And so, yeah, if we had found a rectangle of rock, we could, we could do that. Say, oh, well, this is Noah's Ark and petrofite.

And there's some groups out there who find rocks. And they say, oh, like, there's a guy who says he found Noah's Ark in Iran. And he just, you know, there was nothing there, but he was bringing back rocks and, you know, trying to make it petrified wood. You know, as you look at this site from the air, as you're saying, it looks like a hot iron. It has that pointed tip and rounded in. And so what's interesting if you actually look at like ship design and studies done on, that there's a reason why for ships that are on the open sea, like it has to deal with rough seas like in the ocean versus, you know,

going down the river. They have appointed in for a reason. And so here we, so it was like two weeks ago or three weeks ago, I had a tour through here. And, you know, we meet random people even when we have a group.

And this one guy comes with me at the business center, not part of our tour. And he was American. He says, you're Andrew Jones. And I was like, yeah. It's like, who are you? He's like, well, my name is, I won't give his name yet, but we'll have a video about him. But he said, and I said, okay, and he said, I was in the Coast Guard for 30 years. And on top of that, I was a captain of two ships. I said, okay, that's great. He says, what you're looking at over there? And he's pointing outside the window

to the drop in our shape that's sitting on the side of the mountain. And we're inside the business center on the western hill that looks down. down on it. And he said, what you have over there is a shipwreck. And I said, well, you know, tell me about this ship shape because a lot of people want to attack that. So you have to have it as a square ends or rectangular, you know, shape. And he said, well, he says, if you look at World War II ship designs, when we built our ships in World War II, we had exact same shape with a pointed in and a rounded bow. And he said, the pointed in helps you cut through the waves, even if you don't have an engine or a sailboat,

if you're just floating on the water, when oncoming waves would hit a ship, you need to be pointed. He was, we interviewed him at one of those drogue weight stones, we'll talk about it a bit. Yeah. But he explained all this on video.

He was saying, like, the point it has to be pointed into the wave. If you're parallel and in the trough between the waves, you're most likely going to capsize. He's going to roll you over the next wave that hits. And so using a point, pointed in, you can cut through the waves, and then what about the rounded back in? He said, well, you do get ships, you do get waves hitting the back of a ship, and that helps

disperse the energy. He said, this type of design was used in World War II. And then he said, starting the 90s, early 90s, the Coast Guard started building the same type of ships with a pointed in and a blunt for the front, and then a blunted back end. And then he said he later was on the National Security Council, I think was under George Bush, the second administration, or might have been the first Trump administration. But anyways, and then he said now he works for the Saudi. He's a consultant, his company for the Saudi Ministry of Defense.

And so he was well connected, but he had this ship background. So, you know, whatever he worked at, he used to be captain of two Coast Guard ships. And so he knew his stuff. And I looked him up on YouTube, found some old interviews where he'd be interviewed about some hostage situation or something. So he was, you know, he was. you know, he was legit and he had a degree in one of those fields that he was working in for the military. But the ship shape to me is a really strong point as to why this is the real

nose arc versus any other site. In fact, there's no really other site. I mean, there's not like someone say, okay, go to this latitude, longitude, and this is the real nose arc. Let's compare two ships. There's no other site to compare it to. You just have general stories and, you know, I went as accounts from someone who said when there was a kid, they saw the ark, you know, but now where is it? You know, so there's no other site, but this site you can walk down and investigate. And so when you're asked about like, what are the things besides the scans? Well, I think the ship shape is very strong, but it is sitting on sedimentary rock and dirt, this area that was laid down by water, which to me is a strong point against some people

say it was up on air rat, which is a volcano that the strato volcano that was erupted and built and formed after the flood. It's on flood deposits itself underneath that you have all this sedimentary rock and layers laid down by water.

And this where we're at, same thing. This boat is sitting on sedimentary layers. So around it, you find fossils. We have seashells and coral and snail, underwater snails and sand dollars all in the rocks there. We have examples of it in the business

center. The local shepherd, the Kurdish kids that have the sheep out there on the hillsides, we've been giving them money because they go up near the border where we're not supposed to be. They will say, if you find something like this, bring it down, and they bring down chunks of coral that they come across as they're watching

their sheep. And we went up there too in tractors and brought back really big blocks with a tractor from above the site, these chunks of fossilized coral. So it's shallow water type of creatures that are fossilized now. So that's the main thing, though, is that you have the ship shape that's exactly the length

in the Bible that got everyone interested. And so what we're doing now, we're trying to, in a non-destructive way, study as much as possible as we try to formulate a plan that will preserve it while we can excavate, like possible side tunnels that are non-traditional ways to excavate, but they'll get us access to the layers inside that we're seeing on the scans. And plus core drilling. That's another way, like a three-inch hole that you can drill down and pull out samples. Interesting.

So, you know, these are, yeah, so these are some of the ways we're hoping. Plus, you know, put a core down into one of these chambers and put sick of camera. And so that's another thing we're hoping to do. So you're saying that the chambers are still, they believe, you guys believe them still be hollowed out. Like they're covered, like there's a hollow spaces. That's what the, yeah, exactly. that's what the geophysicist told us. She said, in fact, she thought we had dug a tunnel.

Did you guys dig a utility line through this area? I said, she did I guess know the location or what we're looking at? Do we just sent them the raw data? We said, find whatever you can find in there. We don't say, try to prove it's no zone. Yeah, yeah. And they volunteered. This one lady, the latest who's looking at the data,

volunteered to look at it. And Dr. Salih Brock Tutan told me, because I asked him, I find me another geophysicist. And he said, well, I recommend this lady. She has 30 or 40 years experience in the field and send her the raw data. And so she told me you can hunch over and walk through some of these spots. And yeah, so they're not filled in. They're hollow.

Wow. So hopefully we can drill a hole in and see what's down in those cavities. So you have, to recap, you've got a pointed end of the ship, which helps cut through the waves, which a lot of people say, oh, it was built like a coffin. But if it's built like a coffin, you know, you have these people who work in the industry say, now that would actually capsize the ship. It's the same length as a description in the Bible. You have the sediment that's been underwater.

You have proof that this was covered with water at one point. It hasn't changed. You're saying that there might be some fossilized wood that's keeping the shape the same over the last 40, 50 years of the photos that we have. This episode is brought to you by Redfin. You're listening to a podcast, which means you're probably multitasking, maybe even scrolling home listings on Redfin, saving homes without expecting to get them. But Redfin isn't just built for endless browsing. It's built to help you find and own a home. With agents who close twice as many deals, when you find the one, you've got a real shot at getting it.

Get started at Redfin.com. Own the dream. And then you have the local kids finding, you know, evidence. that of coral, seashells and things like that. And then you can look underneath it with advanced technology and we see like what appears to maybe be cages for animals and other things that perhaps that or rooms or rooms inside a boat. Yeah. That you probably wouldn't find in any other LiDAR scans or anything like that just in a random.

And an atrium is fascinating too. Like Noah spent some time building a little luxury cruise trip for him and the animals. Yeah, he had a deck that he looked out of. But I mean, yeah, you hear that. these things, it's kind of like, it's all shaping up to be chip shape. Hey. Hey. Yeah. Well, and that's the thing. Like when we do a study, like let's do GPR this year. Let's do soil analysis. We're not forcing the results. We're like, okay, well, it came back that there's three times a much organic outside versus inside. And we picked, you know, 88 random sites inside and outside total to do that soil test.

We didn't know what the results would be until December last year. And it could have been I could have been a nothing burger, but we actually got results that just like the radar. We sent it to the lady, tell us what you find. You know, she's not part of our group, I don't know if she's even Christian or trying to promote Nozark or what she believes. But she came back to say, hey, this is why I'm finding. I see a central corridor tunnel going all the way to from the pointed end uphill, the southern end, to the middle of the boat at the four to five to six meters down.

And then from there, it connects into the top, well, It looks to be a central atrium, a void in the ground, that square shape. And that void goes down to the 13 meter level. And it probably goes further because we lose our data, right, at that point. The GPU data doesn't go that deep. And so, you know, and then she sees a side tunnel, like the one that follows the inside of the boat hall that's broken up more, but like, you know, possibly filled in. So, and then the other side, we don't see anything, probably all gone, you know, we assume that they're that they're, that they're. that there, what you call it, mirrored.

Yeah. If the ship design had tunnels on each side. So, yeah, it's just like, wow, okay, there's more here that we didn't realize that when we first analyzed the results back in 2020 from that 2019 trip. Again, this is the latest data. In 2019, the ship was scanned with two different types of radar by a team that had, again, that was like a miracle that all pulled together. But it was someone who contacted me the week that we got the permission to do.

it, this random person from Georgia said, hey, I saw you on some video on YouTube, and I would like to volunteer somehow. Do you need any help with anything? I said, well, we're trying to, you know, we got three weeks. We're trying to do radar work. And he said, well, my friend works for a company. He's the VP of this company, and they do that. And so I was always putting me on the phone with that guy, this is a weekend.

I remember by Monday or Tuesday, we had agreed upon the terms of a contract. They reduced their price. They had their crew ready to go. And everything was set up. And then we were able to sign contracts that week and fundraising. It was a $25,000 project for their one week trip out here. And everything worked out. And when we, so when we looked at that date in 2020, we had an American archaeologist who trains on GPR for other archaeologists.

He shows them how to use it. And when he looked at it, his initial analysis was, okay, one place on the boat, I'm seeing angular structures that suggests that, hey, this is probably the best site to excavate right here. because you usually don't find these angular structures in nature is a whole series of them. And so this was about seven meters down or 21 feet. This was the one area of the boat. So this was a spot that he highlighted in his analysis. And then we kind of, that was it.

No, he didn't get involved with our project. So fast forward, you know, to 2023. And we get in contact with his other lady and she does a more thorough analysis of the data. So again, and it just, you know, She'd find stuff that we didn't expect. We didn't know that there was preserved, you know, tunnels or holes, you know, cavities down there.

What about the shipwates you mentioned that we would get to? What's the deal with? Yeah, so they're further away from the side. And they're supposedly a grave as well. A what? And it's supposedly Noah's grave is supposed to be. Noah's grave is there? Do we find his vineyard?

He planted a vineyard right after to make wine. And we find his vineyard too. We ought to find those things. There's probably a great opportunity, Andrew, to open a winery next to the visitor center. You could really capitalize on that. Noah's wine. Yeah, yeah.

Just don't. Little travel-sized bottle. Don't drink too much. Otherwise, Kane and me. That's a whole other story. Yes. But in regards to the ship waits.

So again, this was back in the 70s, Ron Wyatt's first trip out here. He goes out outside of town, the town I'm living in right now that has the hotels and the closest town to, you know,

to the site. in which has hotels is Doe-Bizet. And so the arc site's about 30 minutes to the east of town, up in the low mountains across from Mount Ararat, right by the Iranian border. The drog stones, which are the technical name that people are calling them, these weights that were put on boats, these type of stones are found north-northwest of Doe-Bizet,

about 15 minutes outside of town. And a little village on the map, it's called Salak Suu, which means healthy water. And there's a big spring there. It's one of the biggest springs in the whole regions right there. A lot of lush green pastures. So that village there has really good water. And so in fact, they found not just, you know, there used to be a very big Armenian church there that's been destroyed.

They saved by an earthquake or other things happened to it. All the stones have been reused by the villagers and their fences and houses. So there's nothing much left. But you have these, this graveyard and pretty big graveyard there. standing stones and some of them have fallen over but there are a number of them and i think 26 so far it has been found in that region that have holes in them so yeah these huge stones are standing or is laying around uh now the theory is that they're called drogstones which were used as counterweights or or weights on the sides of a boat to keep it stable yeah in a large storm and also

to help point it into the waves um in fact the guy that uh mentioned earlier, who's the Coast Guard captain, he mentioned that on modern ships, they don't obviously use stone weights like that, but they do have drogue, not drog stones, but the same type of purpose that they have underwater that will, if there's a big storm, or they need to point the ship into the waves. Oh, there we go. They can use that. We're pulling them up now.

You can see those photos. They're massive. I mean, they look like. Yeah. So Ron, during his lifetime, he. found, I think a dozen. And since that time, more have been found. That's the big one.

That's the biggest one so far there. In fact, in those photos, one third of the actual stone is still below the surface. Wow. So you just look at the top one. And there's this massive hole in it. The idea that some, you know, Noah towed, tied ropes around it and through the hole. And that these were tied to the ship. And that they were used for the, to keep the ship stable in the storm.

And then sometime right before the flood ended, some type of mechanism, he cut them loose or whatever happened and what they fell off the arc and landed in this area about 20 miles from the site. The theory is he's cutting them as it's kind of drifting towards the end, cutting them off the sides. Yeah, according to biblical account, towards the end of the flood, the water was, the water on the earth, but there's no more storm. So it's not like you're in a big, the rain's not coming down anymore. or it's not like rough seas. And that's when he starts like, he lets the birds out to see if they can find dry land. And so it's possible that this location is where he opened it up

and let loose one of the birds, the raven maybe. And that's what happened. So then he's, okay, we're getting close to where there's dry land, cut them loose. Other people suggest, well, maybe God just knew exactly what will happen so God just did it himself and cut them loose. So, but anyways, these stones are just scattered all through that valley up on the hills and into, some of them have been reused by the Armenian Christians who used to live there.

So they have crosses on some of them, but not all of them. So now, Ron did, you know, some people always say, well, this is 20 miles away. So how do you associate this with the boat up by the Iranian border? So Ron did say he had found two more near the site in the mudflow. And we've, you know, that mudflow changes every year. But so far we have not relocated those two. But he said he had seen two more close to the boat. Like one was a quarter mile away and then other was just down the mountainside.

Andrew, are there any other explanations for these type of rocks with holes in the top? Is there anything else people who are trying to hypothesize? Because it seems like what you're saying it is. I don't know what else. well so it's difficult because they haven't been studied that much we are hoping for so for one thing what we're doing we are taking samples and we've already got a bunch of samples of the rock and we're just trying to see if it's local rock if it's from nearby

then that would suggest that these were made after the flood maybe in memory of the ark you know again it's a lot of theory and speculation for the stones themselves because there's no written documentation about them Some of them have crosses again, some don't. Now the big one you saw in your photographs there, that one, when you look through the hole, it actually points to the mountain, a Mount Earat. So it's possible someone set it up and this made it as a memorial to the flood or they

thought, oh, the memorial to the drug stones on the ark, many possibilities. It's very difficult to know without more studies. But if they come back, because they're from like, let's say the, you know, the Holy Land, the area. of the greater Israel, I guess. Yeah, I was going to ask you, where do you think the Ark was built?

Yeah, that's a good, I know a lot of people ask that, what do you think? And the Bible doesn't say. But it depends on your view, if it was a global flood that destroyed the whole Earth, then it's very difficult to find where it originally came from, because the Bible's, even the other ancient accounts don't say much.

But if you think it was a local flood, I believe it's a global flood, but for those who think it was a local flood, then they say, well, the ark came from Mesopotamia near Babylon and Iraq, and then some type of disaster pushed the parkway over where it's at now, up in the mountains here. So, yeah, it's kind of difficult to know where the ark itself was built.

Now, we had one gentleman. He actually left a paper at the visitor center, and he's from Spain, and I don't know what type of background he has, but he had written this whole document explaining that this was where they built the ark. That's the shape we see. No. My biggest problem with that is if somehow the shape of the ark existed where they built it, why did that survive the flood? You know, if everyone's being killed and everything's being drowned outside, but the arc building site was preserved. Why is it shipshade?

They have a concrete bottomed. I mean, I don't know. Anyways, you can see there's a lot of theories out there. But I really do believe this is the original. this is the arc I've had people say it's the Nuffelum arc which they say are the giants somehow the giants

survived the flood so that they had their own arc I see that comment a lot to my YouTube videos Yeah What do you think about that? I think they had a Nuffolum arc Well no I mean there's lots of jokes Well yeah because they're giants before and after I understand the premise is what our show

lives in the space bro yeah Well so if so as a Christian says I am a Christian looking at the New Testament account I don't, you know, so I guess it comes out and you believe in Nufflam were considered people or like souls

because, you know, according to the New Testament, only eight people survived which matches what the Old Testament said. So these other people that were on their own boat doesn't make any sense. You know, if you watch the NBC movie

from the 90s, I remember I watched as a kid and they had Lott as a pirate. He would attack, he knows, but he had his own boat. I always thought that was funny and sad that they two different stories of the Bible two different time periods

and they put a lot as a pirate attacking Noah's argument certainly a lot of creative liberty there yeah yeah well I mean obviously if they had never really seen rain that's a lot of the theories there was no there was no foreknowledge of

what a storm like rain a total catastrophe like that could even look like it would be something where Noah would probably have had have been told a little more information. Yeah. Which means how do the other guys know? Let's say this said, let's copy Noah just in case. Yeah.

Because how do they build their arc? You know, no one, at least 120 years to build it or maximum was 120 years. Is there anything to his gravesite that supposedly is in the area? Yeah. That is the most interesting because, so Ron goes out there in 77 and on that same trip that he finds these drog stones. Nearby in that village, he makes a second trip on the, so it's like on day number two, he goes out there with his kids, and they find this place, and he has old footage on

YouTube, you can see where it's his old home movies. And you see one of the large stones standing up, and you barely see what he says is carved on it. And when he said, there were eight people at the bottom, two were large figures. The largest was a man. The second was this woman. and then above it there was this wave like you would surf and sitting on top the crest of the wave was the boat shape, an arc. And above it was a rainbow, this arch going all the way around it.

And it was on both stones. But one stone, the petroglyph or what do you want to call it, rock carving was different. One actually had the woman's eyes closed only and then the other one had both of them. So it suggests, according to Ron, that the first one was Mrs. Noah. she died first, and the next one was his grave. And this was found in front of an ancient building just outside the village. Now, Ron made a published, like a self-published book in the early 80s, and kind of putting all his theories together that the drop in our site was Noah's Ark,

and here's some other flood evidence from the petroglyphs, you know, 20 miles away, about the flood story. And he handed these books out to a whole bunch of people looking for Noah's Ark, especially on Air Rat. The 80s was the big thing every summer in the archives. hunters would come out here looking. So in 85, he comes out here in March, and it's the first time that David Faselz involved. He's a marine salvage expert and a treasure hunter from Florida at the time.

And he didn't believe Noah's Ark landed on Mount Air at it. He thought, well, if it did, it would have been pushed down because it's a volcano. The lava flow would have pushed it down to the base, not near the summit where some people were claiming they saw it. And he talked to Jim Irwin, who was the astronaut in looking for Noah's Ark in the 80s. and, you know, he walked on the moon, who's one of those astronauts. And he talked to Jim, and Jim said, why don't you talk to Ron Wyatt? Ron believes this site is across the valley, and no, not on Mount Terra.

You guys can work together. And so he got a hold of Ron, and Ron invited him out and said, I'm going out there in March of 85. He gets out there, and Ron is trying to show him all his sights. And so he brings him out to this village, there's snow on the ground a little bit. And they get to the site where these two headstones were, you know, one that had fallen over. with the carving and they're gone. And on top of it, there's a huge trench. And up until a couple years ago, you could still see the trench and this depression in the soil.

And it was like 18 feet long. I remember we even measured it. There's this huge trench. And all the stones were missing. The two big stones were broken up and pieces were gone. Ron reported it to the police. And then later he got an update. And they said, yeah, we found the villager who helped.

Sadly, it was American who paid a villager three. $300 who helped dig up this site. And it was an American who read Ron's little booklet that Ron talked about this and possibly being Noah's grave. Everything was gone. But to get the information out of the villager, according to Ron, the police pulled out his toenails or something, like one of the nails. Get him a talk.

And he basically, you know, he spilled the beans. And he said that they found this 18, 15 or 18 foot long stone sarcophagus box deep in the ground right there. and they opened it up and it was a giant skeleton inside with a lot of gold. And everything was taken away. The crime, this grave robbery was investigated up to certain levels of government, but then the investigation stopped. So the assumption was that this guy who had gotten all that gold was able to use that funds to pay off whoever was in charge of higher levels for the investigation.

It went nowhere and that was it. But so ever since that time, people in the village, when you see a foreigner in that village, they think, oh, they're looking for treasures. And so when I was there in my first trip in 97, I remember one time, one of the days we're out there. And the locals I told us, get in the car right now. So we jumped in and then the driver just took out out of the village on another road out. I said, what's going on? He said, well, the villagers were yelling. They're looking for the gold, you know, in Kurdish.

And so our guide, he knew, you know, he's a Turkish Kurdish guy. He knew what they were saying and said, we need to get out of there. We were just taking pictures. We weren't looking for anything. But that's the whole idea that there's giants in that valley there. It was also other stories trying to appearing. And then one hotel, remember I saw a photograph. I don't know if it was, it wasn't one by us,

but it was one of the old 35 millimeter photos that someone had taken a scan of. But it was this giant skull sitting in a hotel lobby in Doe-Bizet, this town here. And I remember my first trip here in 97, they showed us the photograph. And it's just this huge skull, scull sitting on a counter. It's strange for the hotel lobby. But then the next year, or two years or three years later in 2000, when it came back, it was gone. Like, no one knew anything about what happened to it and what it was. But so then fast forward to two years ago, we had Pastor Rick Renner out here from, he's an American who moved to Moscow.

And since the fall of communism, he's been doing. and pastoring work in Moscow. He came out here and wanted to do a series of films about Noah's Ark. And so we were in this village again. And we're just driving down this little alley type road. And a villager comes out because we kind of slowed down in front of his house looking at these strange stones in his wall. And he said, come have chai.

Everyone's very hospitable. And so we get to know this guy. I know he's a good friend of mine. But he takes us to his backyard and he has all these paving stones. He said it was from the Armenian church that's now gone. And one of the stones has a ship shape, like Noah's Ark on it. And he has other stones. We're talking to him.

And he says, yeah, you know, when I was a kid and they about 85, 86, my cousin and I, on our family land, we dug up this mound that had stones all around the bottom of the mound. And we went to the, you know, we dug down to the inside about, he said, I think, four or five meters down. And he said they uncovered a skeleton that was huge. So another story comes out of the village again That this area has giant skeletons You know So Ron believed that Noah was a giant And it wasn't just Nephilim

That Noah himself was larger than people today At least 15 feet tall So there's a couple videos floating around Like a finger bone or something was found Noah's fingerbone Yeah I've seen those And you know You go out there

even when they actually, they actually exhumated the, the grave area. They didn't, according to some people, they didn't go deep enough, but the Turkish archaeologists went out there in 22, 2022. And they did, they found two graves that was shallow graves. One was a woman and another was a child, but their normal height. But it's, when you walk around, you know, there's pottery pieces all over that site. Yeah. And what it looks like now, though, is that the top building that Ron was calling the house, you know, who knows what's below? that, but the top building

looks like to be an Armenian chapel. They found Armenian inscriptions on some of the stones. It has a curved apps on one end. The other end where the entrance was, were two columns they had found there. So, who knows, they build the chapel

on top of the house. Yeah. But yeah. Well, these these giant graves are found all over the place. Well, we talked to the one in Afghanistan. Yeah. There's one in Afghanistan. They're all over Sardinia, and they're all in America too in the Ohio Valley here they've dug them up in the

farmers were digging him up here and then the same story though every time they just go MIA you know the museums yeah well they had the photos you know from the 1800 you see the actual newspaper photographs of these skeletons but then what happened to the specimen it just disappeared well they were on display

like in Catalina they were in other places museums for a long time until they well and they're always kind of buried in like a royal barrel burial you know in a sarcophagi or some sort of buried with stuff in a certain way people are around them. Where the gold at?

With the gold, yeah. Dude, Andrew, this is incredible. How far is this location from like Quebec Leitepe and when those things are happening because I know there's always a connection saying that because of the dating of those and it being

like very, very much closely after the cataclysm or the flood or Young Goddryus, all those different things that there's a lot of hypothesis that a lot of those ancient things are buried and now are being excavated even just only like 5% of Beckley-Tepi, those could be related to civilization beginning again after this Noah's Ark event. Is that close far? What's the proximity from where you guys are to those places? Well, so I just drove there because we just finished what I call our Patriarch

tour. It's the book of Genesis. So we went from Noah's Ark here in eastern Turkey to Southeast Turkey. So to Haran, where Jacob's well is, and where, you know, 11 of the 12 sons of Jacob were born in Haran. And this was where Jacob got his two wives, Rachel and Leah, his mother, Rebecca, came from Haran. Abraham's father died there on his way to Canaan. So the very strong biblical site. And the name is that's for sure. That. So just up the valley or up the plain. So Huron Plain, it's called, is Irfa, the biggest city in that area. And this, 15 minutes east of the city of Urfa is Quebecletepe. So part of our tour, you know, we see all those sites

in Karan Tepe sometimes, but definitely we see Boebeckle Tepe. Now, I just drove back from there, so that took us, I don't know what the miles would be or kilometers, but I remember it took us

leaving Urfa, not 12 hours, nine hours, driving. Yeah. And so, no, it's not close. But here's the interesting thing.

that if you look where the arc site is, and you look at the migration people would have done after the flood from this region where I'm at right now, how do you get from here to Mesopotamia where the Bible says the first cities were built and where archaeology even agrees that this is where civilization was restarting. Now we find in northern Mesopotamia,

which is southern Turkey, Quebec-Lei-Tpe, Koran-Tepa, this whole posh culture or stone culture, new sites that we didn't know about 50 years ago. Well, so right near here, the site of Doa Bizet, the city, it's in the Dole-Bizet plane. And when you go to the western end of the plain, this is just a little gentle high rise in the hills. You walk over and on the other side of the watershed to the western side of that, all that water there drains into the Murat River, which is right there. And that's the main tributary of the Euphrates.

So from here, you just go, you don't know. have to go over a mountain pass. It's just a little rise in the hills. And now you're into the Euphrates River Valley system. The star of the Euphrates is right here. And you just follow that east to west and then you turn south at the very end. It opens up into Mesopotamia. So right there where it opens up is northern, the Mesopotamian plains, the Huron plane. It's also, you know, the area of Quebec-Tepa. So the very first people leaving Noah's Ark, you can see the migrating following the eases path, which is the river valleys with their sheep and everything. And then they end up on the big plains that starts in southern Turkey and goes through Syria and Iraq,

Mesopotamia. And this is the north area, like the very first area where the plane opens up in southern Turkey is where Goh-Buclitepe is found in these other sites. So that's a strong connection of the migration for people. Now, who built it or how is it connected to Noah's Ark? It's very difficult to know because there's no writing per se. There's symbols and animals carved on the stone, the T-shaped columns. And there's still debates as to what was the purpose of these sites. You know, there's 14 of them found so far, I believe.

Yeah. A lot more. So it's very mysterious. I love being out there. I was out there with the ancient alien crowd from the History Channel. and I was the drone operator for one of their shows, and I filmed Karan Tappe from the air for them back in two years ago. Was it Hugh Newman?

Was it Hugh Newman? They're the two British guys. Yeah, Andrew Collins and Hugh Newman. Yeah, he was a buddy of ours. Yeah, they were out there. Oh, yeah. Ah, okay. So I was just a drunk guy.

You probably doesn't remember me. But my friend who got, he's in charge of, who's the chairman of the Turkish Film Commission. So he gets the permits for all the, you know, History Channel says I want to film out here, that he gets the permits for them. So he contacted me, say, Andrew, you want to do some drone work for me? I said, sure.

And so it's for that, you know, one of their episodes. That's awesome. That is. He's a great dude. He's a Giants guy. He's just not, he's not necessarily a Bible guy, which we are. But great guy. He's on the show a few times.

But yeah, essentially, because, you know, everyone brings different perspectives and then maybe they'll find something or connect the dots that we wouldn't. And I know he, on one of his tours, I saw an advertisement on Facebook. One of them is actually bringing groups out to the Drupiner site now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Their tour schedule.

Yeah. So I never met him because I was gone last. His first tour was I think last year to this area. He might repeat it. It happened to be gone that weekend that they were coming through with their group. Well, tell them you know, the blurry guys. I think they have. Who says?

I think a lot of these guys have a similar where like the data, the discoveries, the search for treasure is on the forefront. I mean, a lot of those guys talk about giants too. There's a lot of similar paths where the fringe Christian. and the ancient alien dudes, they cross in a lot of these places because there's a narrative that's not popular. And like when we're in Peru,

they shut us down at Machu Picchu for talking about alternate history ideas. So even in third world countries, even places where they're still trying to protect the narrative, and we got shut down. Like Egypt. Yeah, we got shut down. In Egypt, yeah, out of these places.

So you have some places where they don't care, it seems like they don't care. But then obviously this is going to bring tourism, money so they're kind of like yeah let's maybe let's not squash this but is there anywhere else in the world that looks like this that

this could be mistaken for the skeptics if we're going to go like into the skeptical wow maybe there's other sites that look like this and it could just be that boat shaped anomalies well yeah so you have a couple I know there's a couple people who will answer to Genesis they write some great articles showing why the ark did not land on

aurette which you know in the past everyone was ARAP focused, all the creation groups and Christian groups. And then when they couldn't find anything, they kind of basically went to other sites. Some people now are focused on the Quran site, Judy, Mount Judy. Others say it's west of Airat, but no one that has a specific site you can look at. But with the answers to Genesis people, one of their videos, especially after all the news hit about this site this year, you know, every year it's not like a cycle of news about it. and this year maybe it'll be more if we

know once we release more studies yeah but in regards to the site they one of their things they say is that oh you can find these all over and um you can't that's the whole thing I never understand why people say that and then they don't actually show you a site where it's just the same thing

as this same shape and the same length as Noah's Ark uh not even close to anything here in fact I always go back to the 1959 aerial survey when they were you know mapping out Turkey and detail for military reasons. This is the only one that popped up.

They didn't find a fleet of boats. It was just one. They named them. They were up on our site because he found it. But he didn't see any other sites like that in the mudflow or even on air rat. Some people have a black and white photo from the 80s. I think it was about a plane. It's kind of an angular, oblique photo.

They say, look, you see these ship shapes on there. But there's nothing there. If that was actually there, people, like the air rat people, especially, they should go up there and they would be all over that place trying to, you know, GPR it and whatever else, measure it. But no, I have not seen another, unless, you know, the other ship shapes you do find are actual archaeological sites that, you know, people have excavated. Roman, Greek ships, early Bronze Age ships. Viking ships. So, yes, there are other wooden vessels that when you think about what people were promoting as and getting a lot of money for it,

loading as Noah's Ark on Air Rat, the so-called eyewitness accounts, they were claiming after all these years there was a perfectly preserved barge in the ice up on this mountain. Yeah, I heard that story. Yeah, you know, now, you know, in the past you couldn't verify it. It's like, oh, wow, someone comes back. It says, oh, my grandfather told me this. I was Armenian or they just like, I was a pilot roller too, and I saw it from my window.

And you couldn't verify it. So it was a great story. They made, you know, old films in the 70s about it. But there was a mysterious land. And, you know, Eastern Turkey, no one's going to go out there and verify their story so they can make some money on it. Today, air rats open for tourism. You have a lot of Eastern European, Russian, even American climbers, just for trekking purposes, because the tallest mountain on Turkey, going up and down that mountain every day. Or it wasn't one of those good weather.

So none of them have found anything in the ice or, you know, taking photos and come back down. And in fact, today, we even, you don't have to climb it. You can use Google Earth or buy your own commercial satellite imagery of the area. and it's way better than it used to be. And you can explore the mountain virtually on your laptop and try to find Nozark up there. And so now definitely there's nothing on that mountain. So Anstis Genesis then made a study

trying to disprove Mount Ararat. It's a good job. They even, you know, they don't approve of the drop under site. But their study of Ayrat shows that it's a post-flood volcano, as I mentioned earlier, that it erupted over and over, the strato volcano. Everyone agrees upon that, but it sits on top of flood deposits. So that means after the flood, this mountain erupted.

And all that lava, you look at satellite imagery or tourist photos, my drone photographs, all that lava on the outside of the mountain, on the base of the mountain, it's all lava that erupted and formed above ground, not underwater, not like Hawaii. So we know this mountain existed and formed above ground, not under any water. or under any. So it was not around for no way they'll even land a boat on. It erupted after the flood. So, you know, I don't

people who still promote up there and try to fundraise for money to work for the ark, you know, God bless them. But it's a way, I think it's a waste of time. All that money and expenses, I wish that people direct it to this site and we can fully do what we need to do on this site. Figure out what it is. It's definitely an anomaly.

Yeah. Well, that's a good segue though. So what's next, Andrew? So obviously you've got these scans. that were read there were from 19 that were redone in 23 uh you just some cord you've done a cord drilling at least 80 samples with in partnership with the university there in turkey um what's what's next i know you guys want to excavate and you've talked a little bit about how you would do that creatively to do not to not really to not dig up quote dig up the site right but what's what's next for 2025 and forward as far as what you guys are are planning on doing to further verify and investigate

this site as the site of noz arc well The biggest thing we would like to get to is core drilling. Now, when you mentioned the cores, what we got in 2024, the 88 sites, those were near surface. On near surface. So not like any couple meters down. It was just under basically with the weeds, the grass, the root system underneath that were these samples taken.

But even near surface, again, was getting the results showing, hey, inside soil is way different from outside soil. So what we want to do now, there's more analysis of the soil that the geologist Dr. Breyer, Tutton, would like to do because one thing about the site that we can see from all these photographs, including the recently acquired declassified

U.S. government spy satellite photos of the region. We're seeing the ship shape always there, but everything moving around it. So this thing is very stable. But when you walk on it and look at it, the soil is also harder. There's something chemically different about the soil that he would like the test to see somehow when the ship decayed, if this is Noah's Ark, it affected even the hardness of the soil to keep the shape together for all these years. And so we like to test for this, you know, see what's going on with that.

Core drilling, the real core drilling, like going down like 100 meters to get a whole sample of the different layers. and then also coring into some of these open spaces, putting in cameras. What will happen this year? I don't know. This is, you know, we laid out, so they had a new university rector who was appointed by the central government for the government university in this region.

And when I got back here after being in the Middle East for six months down in Jordan and Egypt, Israel, so I came back to Turkey and I met with the new rector. and his chief assistant or advisor told me, they're so happy with all the press. They're saying, man, Andrew, you're doing a great job. And I said, well, it's all organic. Like, I'm doing the interviews, but I didn't ask for these people to interview me. But they're very happy about this hearing their province in the news.

But they came up to me and said, we want whatever you're doing. We're partnered with you. And of course, that's great because you have to work with the locals. You know, we can't just go out there as a foreigner. You can dig up a site and do something like that. So we'll see what they decide. We made a list, I gave it to the university, it said, hey, this is our plan, whether we do some this year or all of it.

So on that list, I mentioned four drilling, soil samples again, but also other type of geophysical surveys like microgravity, which the lady who analyzed our GPR data, she suggested that is another method that will give us data a seismic, which uses sound basically, it means a sound way, seismic waves to find out what's going on below the ground.

It goes much deeper, so it's lower resolution, but it'll tell us the profile of the mountain side where the bedrock is and for that valley where the boat formations in. So that further helps us, because some people has claimed

that the boat formation itself is bedrock. So this will help disprove that. Yeah, and then also preservation. You know, once we get past, okay, we believe this is Noah's Ark. we have to preserve it somehow because it's a very fragile sight sitting out there. Do you believe, like, sometimes when we do sort of episodes on, like we did the one on the shrouded tour in, for example, do you believe that God preserved some of these things in a way

that kind of leaves a mark for humanity to see that perhaps nature could have washed this away and it could have been destroyed? But maybe there's some sort of supernatural preservation going on here? other things that, especially that, like in the Old Testament. Yeah. Yeah. You know,

obviously, this, just like other archaeological sites, uh, some, some things are found by chance. And, or like the Dead Sea Scrolls,

you know, can thrown a stone into a cave. Yeah. And, oh, there it is, the scrolls. So like this site, the locals,

uh, in fact, I just interviewed one of the oldest locals of the village a couple weeks ago. Uh, and he was talking about how this site got to their attention. And it basically had a big landslide. The soil all fell away. He said before, this whole mountainside was smooth.

They used to do hay that cut down the natural grass and, you know, and now they create, you know, this is their hay fields. They never fertilized out there, he said, but they would cut down the grass. You could bring a tractor out there and mow it, whatever, whatever they had back in. This is, you know, early 1900s. But he was saying, though, that one day they had this whole mountain site, this collapse. and they noticed this one area that was not. It's a little smooth.

And they report it to the government, but no one thought of anything. And so, again, it wasn't until, you know, people had airplanes to fly over it to take notice of it. Otherwise, you know, if you think of the timing of everything,

you know, today, I think it will get to the point in time where you can actually virtually excavate a site. There are archaeologists promoting that. Like they're saying in the future, you're using satellite, you know, remote sensing,

using GPR or, you know, these type of technologies where you can peer below the soil will improve so much that you can peel away layer by layer virtually and not have to look inside. And so the timing of this is at a time where we can do some of that. And so the site that it's like any other wooden boat would have decayed away, left its mark where it was at. Same with this site. But this site, it could have gone all the way instead of mud flow, this earthflow. it could have been lost the time all the way down at the bottom of the mountain

could have been pushed down there but it ended up right here in this narrow valley, this channel there on this west side of the mountain range there. So I do believe that God had a purpose to have it brought out to light, brought to our attention,

and we have the technology now to best analyze it. Yeah, I do believe that. Incredible. I can't wait to see what comes out of this, Andrew. I think it's such a yeah, we were talking about this the other day, and I think what's so interesting is that the further technology seems to progress,

and archaeology seems to progress, the more verification we have of the biblical narrative. It seems like all the time they're verifying the walls of Jericho, location of Sodom and Gomorrah. And you continue to find that archaeology is confirming the veracity of the biblical text. And we're really hoping to see how this thing plays out, but it does the same thing. It appears as if there's compelling evidence at this point,

just from what you guys have done, that this could be the location. And if it is, I mean, what an amazing time capsule for us to be able to, to analyze and study. And then also a piece of evidence to hold up and say, look,

not only does every civilization have a flood narrative, but the biblical flood narrative, and here's the boat, right? And I think that's just the, I understand why you live in Turkey and you're so excited. It gets, it gets my juice going, you know,

just hearing about it. One of the things is, I mean, I remember being a kid and being, fascinated by like the first thing really caught my attention in reading was like the Titanic wreck and over the years people piece together all these theories of like what exactly happened have you after all these years of like do you have sort of a hypothesis of how this timeline all went down and maybe where the ship was what happened have you built in areas it's a little speculative you know

speculative because you have to sort of you know fill in the gaps but what is sort of a breakdown where you are, what do you think happened here? Well, so for sure the ship did land higher up on the mountain side. This is the low mountain range. The top is about, so where it's currently at is 6,500 feet. So a little over a mile high we're at here, kind of like Denver. So the top of the mountain range is maybe 2,000 meters or 2,000 feet higher at the very edge. And at the very edge is the summit there is the Iranian border with Iran.

So Ron White had a theory There's two valleys where this mud flow Kind of comes down And they converge to where it's at here This narrow channel And so some people say it was on the eastern flow That's where the archerygaly And then now it's where it's at

And other than Ron thought it was up this western valley So I went up to the Western Valley to check it out And now Ron claimed he had found some inscriptions up there That we could not verify But part of that process though Was being up there by the border, we had to get special permission. And it was interesting because we're in a military zone.

You're on the Iranian border, and there's these military bases every mile or so. And the one site we're at, right where this western flow of mud starts, is a base. And so the Turkish archaeologists at the time that we were working with was able to get permission for me to be out there with her and another tourism official and to meet with the general of the base. So him and his bodyguard went out with us once we got the written permission from the government. And they told me that it just took a lot of effort to the foreigners are not allowed to be out there. And we went just, we went out there first to take photos. We got right up onto the border, barbed wire, like right across the barbed wire was Iran.

And we're there and we realized, oh, we can't study some of these stones that Ron wanted, that he had claimed he had saw inscriptions on it because they were on the other side. and the whole area is mined. And so we said, okay, we need to get permission to fly a drone. That'd be the easiest way. Well, they get permission for me to fly a drone. And so I go up to a second trip. And in 2000, this was 21, I think we did this.

We had permission and I flew a drone into Iran to document all these border markers. And each marker, half the side is Iran. The other half of the marker is Turkey. And four or five of them, four of them I documented. And so there was a lot of pressure that day because the guy, the general said, okay, you can fly your drone. It has to be low altitude. Please do not make video of anything and don't take wide shots of the border. Just take photographs of these objects.

And he's standing beside me and his bodyguards there. And then we had the two officials when one archaeologists. And they're looking at my clinking drones and my DJI, you know, the screen making sure I follow the rules. And the one thing I was worried about was that, okay, maybe the drone will get, well, crash in the in the iran although somehow take control of it i'll crash it with whatever they're anti-drown stuff they have thankfully it didn't happen that way but we document these uh these stones structure because again the theory was that the arc came from that one valley now i was not able to prove that it came from there uh and there's still more work has to be done with the mudflow

itself that uh uh dr sallibrak tutan is working on permission to actually have us photograph with the low flying drone, the whole mud flow from the border all the way down to the valley floor so that he can reconstruct and show like what's going on. Because there's different stages of this mud flow. You can even see it in the space out, you know, like Google Maps, like three or four different stages of this flow. And so this is still a work in progress. And so, yeah, it's hard to speculate right now because it's just difficult to fully understand

yet where it came from. Like, I know it's higher up for sure because the boulder in the middle that people you can see in the photographs, that's a boulder that came from. It's the same type of rock on the very, very top, this light colored limestone, sedimentary rock. And there's a huge boulder of it right sitting in the middle of the boat. And so the biorecht, the geologist, Dr. Birechted, he thinks, well, maybe the stone rolled into the boat shape and then the boat shape with the stone came down towards that. So it's a possibility. But one thing we were trying to do this year, and it's on our list, is to get, you know, chemical analysis done of these boulders and stones in the boat that rolled in. You know, there are other stones on the site and in the site and then compare it to nearby.

It could that help us understand if it's all coming from above or like when did some of this stuff cover the boat as a decade. So, yeah, there's things we're still working on on that. and I don't know, but it definitely came from higher up. Well, thank you, man. I appreciate it. I think it's fascinating to go back. I think this is some of our favorite episodes, is kind of sort of have like spiritual lens,

understanding all the narratives. It's cool that you can factor in giants and you probably had everything thrown at you. And same with us and the things we've heard, but it's cool that all these pieces of the puzzle are all laying around the table. And maybe this is. an ancient boat site, maybe as, as technology catches up to it. I mean, it's catching up to the pyramids, as we've recently been talking about, they're finding stuff underneath them.

So I think this technology is going to blow the lids off, that the ancients weren't stupid, that they had this advanced technology, and that, you know, things like the Book of Enoch say, like, you know, they got that technology ripped off from heavenly beings, and they were building stuff and they had things going on, that the narrative that we were like monkeys and cavemen, It just doesn't really hold a whole lot of water, no pun intended. But it's great to go back.

Tell our listeners where they can get involved. Maybe we'll have to do a blurry trip out there. I was thinking this whole time, Andrew. I know you do tours, but it'd be, we're going to Israel next year, but it'd be really fun to bring a bunch of our people up to do the site, do a tour. You have to. It'll be a VIP experience. You'll get to wine and dine with the local turds, very friendly people.

The Turks here too. And I'll go out there and see what we're doing. And if it's time of a year where we're actually doing work, that'd be great. But I'll keep you guys updated. But if someone wants to follow what we publicly release, you know, what we do, then two areas. One is our website, nozark scans, plural nozarkscans.com. And then you can also go to our YouTube channel, which is under my discovered media name. So that's discovered past tense.

media and you can find that on Instagram but yeah Facebook too but we usually keep our YouTube shorts and you know once in a while we'll get longer form videos I'm catching up on things out there but the website is updated you know in a couple months but we have articles being written up by some of these scientists that we're working with just to get some of the documentation out that we've mentioned the media and so they'll be published on the website but they can contact people can contact this through the website. There's a contact page. Or they can just follow us on social media.

Thanks so much. Appreciate it. Fun having a couple NorCal guys just hanging out here. Yeah. Even virtually. Amazing. I know, right? My brother still lives there, so I'm glad I'm not in California right now. Great. Same. Yeah. Well, it's cool to hear some old Ron Wyatt stories. I wish we could interview him, but that guy was way ahead of his time. Him and Chuck Missler were just out there on the fringesges of Christianity, pushing

a lot of wild stuff and finding things and long before you could easily document a lot of this stuff. So it's cool. It's fascinating. Really cool stuff. It's cool that you're picking up, you're carrying the torch too. I mean, you had this. It's really, it's such an amazing story. So good things for sharing with, like just the fact that you were called Ron Wyatt back of the days on long distance. And here you are living in Turkey. I never met Chuck. Yeah. But I definitely Lisa talked to Ron a lot. And then Fasel, David Fuzzle too. So that's amazing. Yeah, there's Some of these guys trying to prove a lot of this weird, the weirder narrative. Some of these things is harder for modern just people to believe, you know.

Ah, let's see. Maybe that happened. Maybe they didn't happen. But I think there were people always pushing, you know, pushing a rock up a hill trying to prove. No, this stuff is real. It's, you have to have a different perspective and mindset. But it takes a lot, pushing through a lot of adversity to prove some of these, these stories is legit. Well, thanks.

Hopefully we'll see you in Turkey. We've got to get out. We've got to get out there, Ney. Yeah. Yeah, we'll be the oblast. We'll have to take up on that. Yeah. Thanks so much.