Blurry Creatures - EP: 352 The Medicine Deception: Fallen Angels and Ayahuasca with Christa Black

Episode Date: August 26, 2025

In this powerful episode, we sit down with Christa Black, a former Christian recording artist who toured with Michael W. Smith and the Jonas Brothers for over a decade. Christa shares her shocking journey from representing the global bride of Christ at "The Call" stadium event to losing everything in Costa Rica through plant medicine ceremonies.After years as a successful Christian author and speaker, Christa found herself drawn into the New Age world through seemingly innocent concepts like manifestation and energy healing. What began with small compromises eventually led to ayahuasca and wachuma ceremonies, where she encountered false spirits, including a being claiming to be Satan who asked her to "advocate for him before the Father."Christa reveals the sophisticated deception tactics of the enemy, how plant medicine creates spiritual "loans" that must eventually be repaid, and the legal authority given to dark entities through these practices. She explains the difference between legitimate spiritual gifts and their New Age counterfeits, and how fallen angel technology has been downloaded through indigenous plant ceremonies.Most importantly, Christa shares her dramatic rescue story - how God orchestrated her return to faith through a 16-year-old bracelet and the very songs from her wedding day. Now back in relationship with Jesus, she uses her authority from having been "in their camps" to pray for others trapped in deception.This episode serves as both a warning about the growing mainstream acceptance of psychedelics and a testimony of God's relentless pursuit of His people, no matter how far they've fallen. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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they have a very truncated view of the supernatural. This backdrop that's just pregnant with all kinds of meaning associated with this Mount Hermon of Yeah. And this guy defects from the kingdom. That's a big deal. Welcome back to blurry creatures. We're excited today.

I have Krista Black in the studio today, in the basement. And I will be as vulnerable as possible that in the beginning, before this started, you gave me a hug and you said your show was a part, a big part of how you came back to your faith. And sometimes, I think, doing a podcast, you don't have people. listen. They're listening to the stories. They're having moments in their life. And you don't, as a host, you just don't know what's happening out there. It's not like you get to interact with people on a daily basis. And so that just started the show and just thinking, wow, like what this has become and what it's done for you. But you are artist, speaker, author, and you got some hung out with some of the 80s legends like Michael W. Smith. And you know these guys. And it's a big part of what we do is the nostalgia here. But welcome, welcome to blurry creatures. And you're just. And you know, Thank you. And thank you for that heartfelt message in the beginning to us. It's encouraging because daily this is just sometimes it feels like we're producing, you know, so much that we forget, like, kind of what sort of the genesis of the show and where it's gotten.

But you know the show. I know the show. What are your thoughts on Bigfoot? Oh, my gosh. And then we'll get into your story. This guy right here. So don't cancel me in the beginning. I mean, I am an 80s kid.

So I asked for Harry and the Hendersons. That was my jam. We couldn't produce it, unfortunately. I loved Harry, but I didn't care about him at all. I mean, you know, I'm kind of gullible. I believe things very easily. But I just hadn't put any thought into it. And then, like I was telling you when I hugged you at the beginning,

I was a Christian author speaker. Like my Christian resume was pretty stacked in the form of, you know, all of the things that I thought I could never be deceived. You know, I was on tour with Michael W. Smith for 13 years and in all these green rooms. And I got married. Do you remember the call in Nashville? Yeah, I went to the call D.C. in 2000. Okay. I played at the call D.C., but I played at the call Nashville at Titan Stadium, got married. I was the bride representing the global bride on the field that day at the call.

I mean, I thought I was beyond being deceived. And then it was 2003. I'm overlooking the ocean. We've sold everything, moved to Costa Rica because my ex-husband, and I'm not sharing anything that he hasn't shared. We shared it in podcast form. He wanted to be a shaman, and we'd gotten into plant medicine and had lost everything. So one of the entities on the medicine had told us to go to zero, which is really interesting, and we just kept losing everything.

So I'm sitting there, overlooking the ocean, everything was draining, everything was going away. And I reached out to Jesus because I remembered, I'd gotten into all this new age stuff, but I remembered that blind eyes, I have seen blind eyes see. I have seen death ears healed. I've seen all these miracles. And I sat there and I said, okay, true Lord Jesus, these godlings, I call them godlings these days because the mini G's, they don't work. All of my meditation every day, all of my practices, nothing is working.

What do I need to know next? And I heard two words, which you guys will know well, Anunaki and Nephilim. And I'm like, what are these words? Like I'm phonetically trying to sound them out. And I call my mom. You had no knowledge of those? I didn't know what they were.

Wow. And I, but I remember specifically going, okay, Jesus. Like I need to ask Jesus because these godlings aren't working. Jesus heard Nephilim Anunaki and I call my mom. And I'm like, hey, do any of the things that you listen to talk about the Nephilim or the Anunaki? She said, yeah. You know, she's like fist pumping the sky because she prayed for me. for years. She's like, yeah, let me send you a couple episodes. She sent me a Dr. Laura episode,

and she sent me you guys. And so when you ask me what I think about Bigfoot, this guy got me back to Jesus. Seriously, because your obsession with like all things blurry. I mean, I don't know. He's probably multidimensional. I don't know who he is. But seriously, I love him now because that podcast that you guys started for this thing that most people don't really think about like me I mean sometimes I do forward that part in your podcast no offense I'm like okay big foot I don't know but I but you guys got me back to Jesus and you changed the trajectory of my children's lives who are now back in the arms of the truth so yes children too yeah we were like guys we were in plant medicine world

They were growing up around these sacraments that they call them and in the belly of deception. So thank you for me. Well, that was an intro. And a conclusion, all in one. Wrap it up. He's multidimensional and he's leading people to Jesus. That's wild.

I think it's funny is that sometimes we started in that space and then the show is kind of taking its own lane. And so that's why I'm actually, it's fun. There's such a wide lane. We can talk about all things blurry here. And, you know, for you, you kind of undersold your introduction. I mean, you were on tour with Michael W. Smith, Jonas Brothers. You wrote some massive worship songs in the Christian world.

I really want to get to your story because I think it's such an important message. And we got a chance to meet. I got a chance to meet and talk to you with Dr. Laura and her worshippers session, Todd Smith, some friends of ours. and you've got an amazing story. I think it's, and as I said, it's so pertinent for this time. As you said, pre-roll, we're in this space where you plant medicine, as you called it. That's air quote that.

Yeah, DMT, ayahuasca, psilocybin, all of these psychedelics are really going mainstream, whether it be Joe Rogan talking about it, Graham Hancock, who has a lot of overlap with our show as far as things that he uncovers, ancient megalists and stuff. I love so much of his research. But it still ends up, sort of the genesis or the end game for him as always in the psychedelic space, which has become people are looking. They're hurting. They're hurting and looking for healing.

So where do you want to, I would love to hear your story because I think this is going to encourage folks. And I do think we've done a few things in this space on the show, but I feel like this, this is something that for a time as this to people to hear someone who did walk through it and came out the other side. Yeah, you kind of teased it in the beginning. You gave us the sort of the, you know, the intro, but it sounds like it's been a long journey from. It's been a long journey.

And I think, you know, when I was just getting ready, which, by the way, do most of your guests report back the warfare that they have to come across to get to this show? I was like, Jesus, the enemy does not want me talking about this. He does not want me talking. It's been, I've been. had all kinds of intercessors. And so I think because, you know, I grew up, my dad's a pastor. I grew up like a professional Christian. I had like a tiny rebellious stent in high school. But Jesus was my guy.

I mean, I remember getting saved and falling on the floor, like the presence of Jesus. I know his presence. I knew his presence. And I mean, I got paid to be a worship leader with Michael W. Smith. It was when like the worship again came or the worship, the first one came out. And I toured that first one with third day. And I got paid to be on stage worshiping. I truly thought there's no way that I could be deceived. And I think a lot of Christians this day and age, you know, warfare is, we read Ephesion 6 and we know that it's real. But what are the inner workings of it, right? Like, I'm not a seer. I'm a feeler. So I never saw angels and demons. Yeah. And again, like I got married when I was married at the call. I was literally the bride on the field, a Titan stadium with the

whole world watching. And I remember Smitty, we got up on stage afterwards and he said, he turned around and looked at me. We were playing Agnews Day. You know, hallelujah. Yeah. And he turned around, looked at me. and I'm still in my wedding dress, and he goes, you're the bride, you take this. And so it was televised around the world, and I'm like, I am leading as the bride to the bride as we just renewed our covenant vows to Jesus. Talk about a target on my back, right? Like warfare was not something. I didn't live like I was living in a battle.

And what I found, I mean, the enemy, my marriage ended last year. and the enemy targets families. He targets children. He targets the stability of it. And he usually gets in through the wounds. That's what I've found. So we hired someone probably, I can't remember, seven, eight years ago. And this person who's a pastor, he was a former pastor,

but he just started barely introducing energy this new age, concept, manifestation. I don't know if you've talked much about manifestation on your show, like the big, let's just manifest everything that we want. This is a big thing now, Chris. You hear it now. You got to manifest your, you got to manifest your, the things that you want to have happen. I think about this. You hear it a lot in sports too. Yes, yes. Visualized. And there's, there's truth to it. Like quantum physics is real, which I love. The observer effect is real. When you look at the electron cloud, wherever the observer is looking, that electron is. That electron is. expands and shows up there. So I think a lot of people, Christians right now, I have a lot of Christians that reach out to me going, I'm microdosing mushrooms, or I've read the Johns Hopkins studies about psilocybin, and this is what it's doing for the brain. And I don't think anybody just dives in as a believer and goes, I'm going to go do an ayahuasca journey. I think there's all of these tiny open doors of like little things, like, oh, maybe.

Universal Christ is real. Maybe hell isn't real. Maybe he's going to reconcile everybody including the enemy. So all of these little... Yeah, absolutely. And it's a gospel that you've always kind of hoped for. Because you, I don't know about you guys, but I, until I came back to Jesus in the last three years,

I was a Christian author and speaker who never told lost people about Jesus. I told Christians about Jesus, right? But it's uncomfortable to go, yeah, hell's real. There's consequences for sin. The demonic is real. So this gospel, this idea of this New Age philosophy, and let me be clear, it does work. It does work when you start meditating daily because you're God, right? Okay, so in the New Age world, you are responsible for keeping your energy clear

every day, you're supposed to, like, if something chaotic comes in, it's because Lyca attracts like. And so I'm God. It's the knowledge of good and evil in the garden. It's like I have to keep my energy on this high-flying desk. I'm going to do more shadow work. I've got to clear my energy, clear my trauma, face it, because I'm responsible for manifesting my world every single day. So those tiny little things, they actually work. What is shadow work, Kristen? So shadow work is the big, that's most people who go to do ayahuasca, Wachuma, which is the Peruvian cactus.

Most people who go to do that, they are wanting to hop the fence, get into the second heaven or the astral, see things that will come in and help them maybe overcome their sexual abuse from childhood or the trauma of their dad leaving or the divorce shadow work is the shadow is the part of me that I don't want to see and I've tucked all my trauma and all of these places inside of me and so they're blowing open their third eye which is not the same thing as seeing in the spirit by the way all these meditations do you know who dr. Joe dispensate is yeah really really intelligent man who has a lot of science behind him because when you're doing these meditations to open up your third eye and see, you're starting to see in the spirit. So I think, right, the gifts are without repentance.

I think the enemy is targeting and hijacking very prophetic people. Yeah. People who have gifts that have been given. So like a psychic who can really see, I have a lot of friends, best friends who are like very prophetic. They got hijacked and now they're psychic medians. We just had a conversation about this. It feels like the X-Men, which is where they're recruiting people that have gifts. Absolutely. And then that is, of course, is being hijacked. And anyway, just, we've talked about this in the show. It's just a hijacking of the things God has created, whether it be, and they, and they co-opped the terminology. So frequencies and energy. And these things become. taboo, if you will, to the Christian world

because they've been co-opted. Well, the Christian world allows people to go there because they don't talk about any of these things. Right. On a whole, I mean, in the healing that you've gotten from our show, I would say is the same thing that happened to me in my life to think, like, okay, I was going down those progressive rabbit holes.

I was trying to figure out, like, ideas of annihilationism and hell and God's love and free will. And getting more and more progressive in my faith, too, because you grow up from the church. Church doesn't talk about a lot of spiritual, supernatural things. The questions go unanswered. You start dabbling, looking, you find them. But blurry creatures to me was, that's what it did for me.

It healed me in my faith. And then I thought, well, this is the beginning of something that I'm seeing for the first time. Let's document it. And it's just cool to see that it resonated with you as well. Because I think when Heiser and some of those guys started coming on some of these shows talking about Bigfoot and other things and aliens, UFOs and all.

It was like, okay, Christians can talk about these things, but I think the New Age is such a, it grows and expands because we're afraid to talk about it. Yes. Lara even said, she's like, I get so much heat from just using energy and frequency. I'm like, okay, if you know physics, quantum physics, like this table is not solid. It's molecules and atoms vibrating at a specific frequency.

My voice has a specific frequency. This isn't New Age, but it got hijacked and co-operated. where they took it. So Christians stayed away from things. And that's where a lot of us went searching because we were like, okay, this church model that I was in all the green rooms, I have seen the corruption of corruption at the top, right? Church hurt is a real wound. You know, it steals a lot of people because they get hurt by the people and they think it's Jesus, but it's a system and an institution and so phariseical and money is involved and politics are involved it's not the real jesus so then the enemy takes that and goes well let me just lay out this platter over here of

yeah you can go to this reiki healer you can go to this energy healer i would go to and let me just say this when i started getting into the new age well so i was going to ask because i think this is important part of the story i want people to listen is like how do you go from being the bride of representative bride of Christ on stage to having these things creep into where I know how the story goes so I'm not going to ruin it but you end up you know in Costa Rica and to that point but how does that begin to happen because I think this is important for those people listen to because I think it is important so many of us Christians would be like I'll never get into that you feel infallible I'm never I'm never going to doubt I know what's bad and what's good and you know I know what I'm not

supposed to do but you were in a very visible as you say a big target because of what you were doing. And I mean, you were some of the biggest names in Christian music. And I was on the Revolved Tour. I was on the Women of Faith revolved tour as a speaker. I mean, I, like I said, this is not bragging. I'm making a point that your Christian resume is not your intimacy with Jesus. And it does not absolve you of daily warfare. It doesn't mean like I've got all this stacked cool stuff that I've done. It means that I'm beyond deception. So when we're, When we hired this guy, and I'm telling you, it was tiny open doors. Nobody starts off on a mountaintop in Costa Rica.

You start off dabbling with these small concepts, these small New Age concepts. Like, for instance, okay, have you ever, this was a book that I read with quantum physics. Have you ever wanted to buy like a purple Jeep? And so then all of a sudden you see purple jeeps everywhere. Yeah, right? You buy a car, and you see it everywhere. You're like, I didn't know. I thought it was unique.

What you focus on expands. Except for Bigfoot. You don't ever see him. You doesn't show up. Except for Bigfoot. I'm fine with that. I'm fine with him not showing up, by the way. But yeah, you start realizing, and this was what I remember the first test that my ex-husband

and I did, which was to give up tithing. We were like, okay, we've always been taught, like, the locust of the Lord will eat up all of the storehouses in our barns, and we're going to stop tithing and see if we start losing everything. So here's how the enemy works. I was talking to somebody last night about it. At the beginning, I think because,

I mean, I had been taught Jeremiah 29-11, Psalm 139, God has this plan. So does the enemy. He literally has war rooms. Your scroll is your destiny. He knows it. I mean, I've had prophetic words since birth. They have war rooms to get you off of your destiny, very specifically.

So you start off doing these little things like, I'm going to stop tithing. And I'm telling you, I think that the demonic world goes, all right, let's back off and let's let's let the blessing happen. Because nobody, if you did your first ayahuasca ceremony, which is an indigenous plant medicine, I say that a lot. And I think everybody knows what it is because it's become more mainstream. stream, but it's an indigenous plant medicine that's thousands of years old. Nobody gets done with that and has been tormented the first night so terribly where they're like, I'm terrified and I never want to go back. They get a sense of relief.

You do. You feel a sense of relief. So what happened is the manifestation worked to a degree. We started getting more money. Things started coming in. And, you know, the people that you start to listen to. I truly believe, I remember when the Holy Spirit was like self-help movement is, it's like the truest form of Satanism. Witchcraft.

It's absolute witchcraft. So self-help. I'm going to help myself. All of this self-help, you know, and I'm not meaning to be critical. There's good things that all of them say, but like Tony Robbins. And it's like, I'm going to fix myself. I don't need Jesus. Like that's what happened in the garden, right?

Satan's like, don't you want the knowledge to not know? need father? Don't you want the knowledge to be able to fix yourself? And with plants, this is a sidebar. Let me just say, when you're in indigenous plant medicine world, they constantly talk about the technology of the plants, right? So when you're in the Maloka and the Shala, which is like the outdoor place that you're drinking the medicine, and they're usually all night ceremonies, especially with ayahuasca. Let me just, can I give a brief ayahuasca? Okay. So, There are different types, and this is where people get off as well, because they go, well, how could these remote indigenous tribes who didn't talk to one another intuit this mixture of the medicine if it wasn't from God? So, you know, you go to Columbia and they do the Yahweh, and it's the hardest of all, because you begin at sundown, and sometimes we would go till 1 p.m. the next day.

Like it is, it's so hard. You're drinking medicine all night. Then you go down the Amazon and you have the Quechuan tribe in Peru. And that's what most people, I think, do because you start at sundown. You go to like maybe two, three, four a.m. It's not as intense. Then you get down all the way. And this one was really creepy and tricky for me because in Brazil, ayahuasca is called Santa Dime.

And with Santa Dime, they call it. white nights. It's done in the light. You sit, women on one side, men on one side. There's a lot of churches popping up like this. Like there's one in Dallas, Texas, there's one in Florida. And they're getting their legal permission to serve this in America because they're saying it's our communion. It's our sacrament. And so it's becoming legal. And they call themselves a church. So with Santa Dime, you're sitting there, women and men on both sides. And this is where it gets weird. There's an altar with a cross and you open up your songbooks. And all night, You sing together in Portuguese to Jesus Christo.

This is the ayahuasca. To Jesus. And they're mixing the root and the plant in specific ways that they didn't talk to one another about. So a lot of people get off. I mean, that happened to me. It was like, well, surely, you know, God, you taught them how to do this. You taught these different remote tribes of how to heal themselves, right? It's very fantastical.

And thank you, blurry creatures for being like, No, these are godlings. Ketzequodal's not the good guy. This is watchers. This is fallen angel technology. That's what I did. Like when I was listening to you guys, I would overlook the ocean.

I was like binging for hours and I'm like, I am drinking a sacrament of fallen angels. Of watcher downloaded technology to these. And again, not evil people. No. Beautiful people. They're some of the kindest, most generous, most devoted people I've ever met in my life.

And so that's what got tricky too is it's like, but they're good people. Right. Devoted to their sacrament. And the process of that is always interesting too with like the combination of plants that have to do to activate the DMT. It's like you can't trial and air. There's like some kind of crazy amount of different plants in the Amazon that you just

couldn't like, let's just combine this one and this one and this one and make a stew. And it was given knowledge. It was given knowledge. They say it. Yeah. You wouldn't have to test the spirits, and that wouldn't be a command in scripture, if a spirit wasn't so, like, close to the real thing and giving you all this, like, you know, clues that, oh, this is a good, this is a good spirit. And you're getting healed. Yeah.

You are getting healed. Yeah. To a specific capacity. But I think that's the layer of deception that it can be packaged in. And I think as humans, obviously, the original temptation was almost like, you know, Satan comes in luring like, you know, Satan comes in luring like, you know, Hey, I'm your buddy, I'm your pal. He's pretty in there. You know, we're pals.

You know, God doesn't really feel this way about you, and you can do whatever you want. It's not like, you know, flashes of darkness and blood dripping from the walls kind of, oh, that's obviously from Satan. It looks and smells just like what the kingdom of heaven would sort of offer people. He came to me, okay, so he might not have come to me

on my last ceremony, but. He said it was him. Again, that whole second heaven plant medicine world, there's a lot of tricky business in there. So I'm not saying it's him. I'm saying whatever the sentient he was said it was him, said it was Satan. Yeah. And he came to me.

It made so much sense, y'all. He comes and he makes so much sense. He said, this was a Wachuma ceremony. Wachuma is different than Iowasca. Wachuma is a Peruvian cactus. And it's supposed to be a heart opener. and you do, you feel great. You feel really good.

Everything, you're vibrating with the power of the earth. And again, if you think about it, the technology of these plants, it's kind of interesting to me that it was a plant. It was the tree of life that caused the fall. And then my pastor said this last week, and I got talking, that they covered themselves with leaves. They covered themselves. When their eyes were open, they covered themselves with the very thing.

that had caused their fall with a plant, right? And so in the indigenous plant medicine world, the technology of the plant is the thing that's supposed to protect and heal you. But when Father comes along, and this is what my pastor said, and I'd never thought about it, he said the first death was not Cain and Abel.

The first death were the animals that were the sacrifice where Father had to clothe Adam and Eve. So they wanted to clothe themselves with the plants that had been kind of the demise of their fall and he's like, no blood has to be shed. Yeah, because he covers them with animal skins. Absolutely. It was the first death. So blood, it was a foreshadowing to Jesus coming.

But in this indigenous world, it's all about the plants. The plants will protect you. The aqua fluoride, I'm going to blow all over you and the copal. And it's all about the plants, right? Which is kind of interesting inside of Genesis, you know, where they're covering themselves. So, yeah, I feel like, and I don't remember where I sidebarred. We're talking about Satan.

Satan. Yeah. So Lucifer, Satan, well, I know he's not Lucifer. I know that's a made up term. But Satan, he came to me and said, I need you to advocate for me before the father. This is before I had read Enoch. I need you to advocate for me. Because think about it.

How are you hearing this? I am, it was like a, first of all, Venus, the star Venus, started moving. And you don't hallucinate on Wachuma. And I was, I was kind of freaking out. With the planet Venus? The planet Venus. I was sitting still and I would sit still and Venus would pop in and out.

And this presence came to me. And when I say he's always beautiful in there, like there have been demons in ceremonies that have come that are awful. But he really does come as an angel of light. And he played to my mama heart, right? I'm the girl. I'm weird. I'm like when the pedophile and the kid, when that happens,

I'm always advocating for the child, but I always am like, what happened to the person that's a pedophile? Like, what has happened to this person? I have this mercy, redemptive gift that I'm always thinking about what happened to the person to get them to that state. So he came to me and he said, I need you to advocate before the father for me. He goes, what do your kids do when they want your attention?

They act up. And again, this is kind of like with Adam and Eve in the garden, he said, how is it fair that you get a second chance and we don't? How is your father good? That's the first thing. How is your father good? And I remember just being, it made so much sense. I'm like, you're right. It isn't.

How is he good that he lets us? back in, but you guys don't get a second chance. You know, what is this? So I'm in this experience. I get out, I'm telling my ex-husband all of this. I'm like, I have to advocate for Satan before God. I kid you not. And you truly believe it when you're in it. But here is, this is my last ceremony, and it gets me a little emotional. I'd been listening to blurry creatures. And I came out of that. And I kid you not. I went, get thee behind me, Satan. Are you kidding me? I know exactly what you're doing. I know exactly who you are. I know that's fallen angel like, you know, witchcraft. Are you kidding me? But because I'd started putting truth in, when it came and you're under the complete deception, and again, it's deception. This is why we have to have grace for these people. Because like, think about Eve in the garden. She said, I was utterly deceived. Those were her words, and she was.

So the deception of a lot of the people that are getting into this, they're really good people just looking for healing. They really are. But it was because I'd been devouring blurry creatures and Laura Sanger and all this. And I'm like, no, no, no. I mean, he did. He came to me. It was tricky.

Before you, like, just a pretty cool question, you know, what didn't like the height of the Christian empire give you? Right. That's a good question. That the ayahuasca New Age did. So how do I do this in a condensed manner? I was always the breadwinner in our family. And my ex-husband, and again, I'm not uncovering anything that he didn't uncover in his coaching session and in his podcast. But I needed a break.

I was making the money and touring and having the babies and writing the songs. And so the woundedness and kind of the out of order of me being in the masculine and the feminine role was the wound that brought in kind of this alternate teaching of, no, we'll get him to where he can provide. and he knows who he is and you can take a break. So again, I'd also known God hates divorce, right? Yeah. I'd almost been indoctrinated too much that he hates divorce more than people. You know, like he loves people. He's not calling you to something that moves into a really toxic space.

But I was also, I want to submit, I want to submit, I want to submit. And I think, because I was the poster child for Enraheel, like my parents own a healing center in Texas. They do a lot of heart work. My book was on heart. The heart, I feel like I had just exhausted all of the ways to try to make my marriage work. And so, and here's how tricky the enemy is. Okay, this is a part of the story that's important about how Satan has war rooms.

Okay? And not all synchronicity is God. It is the testing of the spirits. So in 2020, the pandemic happened. everything shut down. And my ex-husband came to me and said, I'm supposed to do this thing called Wachuma. And I'm like, what? And he said, I heard somebody say it today and like my spirit just jumped out of my skin. I'm like, what is that? So we're looking it up and it's in Peru. And I'm like, well, the world just shut down. You can't go to Peru. And he's like, I know, but I'm supposed to

do this at some point. I'm like, I don't know. And we're into New Age stuff at this point. But like, plants. I was like, I don't know, right? So the next day, my phone rings. This is how tricky the enemy is. And this friend said, hey, I don't know if you know anybody who wants to do ayahuasca and Wachuma. But my sister's been working with a shaman who's stuck in Nashville because of the pandemic. And they're doing an ayahuasca and Wachuma ceremony on Friday. Do you know anybody who wants to come? Well, because I had gotten out of the umbrella covering of Jesus, you look at stuff like that, and you're like, it's God, right? It's got to be God. And so I said, all right, you go, let me see if you come back sane, you know.

And when I tell you guys, and this is what's so tricky about it, we had had, you know, a wall and our relationship that we just couldn't break through. He came in and was like, I love you. I love our children. I love this life. I'm so, I mean, it was a new man. He, the external hardened shells had melted off. And I felt you just feel like it's God, right? Like here is a solution to the things that we've been needing.

So what happened? He was like, I want you to do it next week. I'm like, okay, well, I'm so uncomfortable, but you have had such a radical breakthrough. And we've tried everything, right? Right? We've tried coaches and inner healing and deliverance ministry. And so I go, and I'm walking up, we're going up to this first, I'm air quoting shaman, because we found out he wasn't even sanctioned to poor medicine by the Quechuan tribe that he. And this is the thing. It's a Wild West out there. Like you got somebody coming to town. I know in this city of two people who have like a menu. And you can go in and be like, I want to do MDMA. I want to do mushrooms. I want to do mushrooms. I want to. to do ayahuasca. And there's like people all in the same room on different medicine. I mean, it's the Wild West out there right now. So this man came up and I remember him walking towards me

and everything in my spirit was no, no, no, no, no, nope, nope. And I look over at my ex-husband. And he was so alive and so in love. And I did the wrong thing, you know, for the right reason, And I thought, which is, okay, let me go save my marriage. Let me go help my marriage. This is where it gets tricky, again, with how it works. This is why you stay away from divination. This is why you stay away from the technology of plants. It's not because it doesn't work.

It does. It does. You're just illegally hopping the fence into the astral plane, which is what the witches and warlocks call it, but the second heaven realm in scripture. You're illegally hopping the fence. And now your radio station is not tuned into F-F. FM, Blood of Jesus, your radio station is tuned into whoever and whatever wants to come in and talk to you. So I go in and I drink the medicine.

I'm going to air quote medicine. Yeah. Again. I drink. And the first thing that happened to me, the whole room fills with spiders. We were talking about living over here and spiders. I was terrified of spiders. Like, you talk about my worst fear.

I can handle a snake all day long. Spiders. Are you kidding? There were red eyes everywhere. There were crawly legs everywhere. And I remember breathing and just, this is the shadow work that they have you do. This is like the yin and the yang of the black and the white and the checkerboard, black and white have to be.

You have to get to that equanimitous space where you are okay with the nothing. You're okay with the darkness. That's how you overcome the darkness. in this Eastern philosophy, you become okay with it, right? You make friends with your demons. That's another big thing. So I remember just breathing and looking at all these things. I was like, okay, I got to make friends with these spiders.

I was like, well, thank you spiders for catching mosquitoes. I hate mosquitoes. I appreciate that. I just want to make friends with you. And I said, you have my permission. It makes me want to cry because I gave them my permission. You have my permission to crawl all over me. I gave the enemy legal authority access to me.

And they all disappear. They go poof. And I heard, do lul-l-loop, level one, complete. It's like a game in there. It's a game of what you need to overcome. Y'all, I'm not afraid of spiders. I'm to this day. Like, I'm a single mom with three kids when a spider comes.

There's nobody. I'm like, I got it. So you do get some semblance of a relief or release or some psychological healing. It happens in that space. And that's what gets so tricky. So that night, my violin was a thing I'd always kind of had this love-hate relationship with. Because like the Jonas Brothers and Smitty, they would have never hired me just to play guitar and sing. They hire me for the violin.

And then they're like, oh, you play guitar and sing. That's great. That's what I love to do. but the violin was like the on-ramp. So I brought my violin. The shaman said, bring something as an altar piece. I bring my violin.

And at the end of the third cup, you drink three cups, he said, if anybody has an offering, now's your time to play your song. So I pull out my violin. It's pitch black. And I hear a voice say,

there was a song I wrote for Jordan Sparks on her first album. It was called God Love's Ugly. And I knew I needed to play God Love's Ugly towards that woman and aim for her liver. So I get up my violin and I hit the note and I get synesthesia and I can see the vibrational frequency of the sound and the light going from my instrument hitting her liver and she starts to throw up. Because on ayahuasca, the big things are you purge, you're growing up, yeah, or you're going to the bathroom the other end, both ends. You're releasing your trauma. Sounds like a deliverance.

See, it's false. Yeah. It's tricky. Yeah. So I hit because, and everything, remember, these are 2,000-plus-year-old lineages of the formula. It's the recipe. You don't do, I remember the first time I was in the Yahweh and they gave me these chachas. And I started like syncopating.

And they're like, no, you only do the beat that we know the first. the formula and the recipe of this beat with this plant with this sound will release and get you to throw up. It's a formula, right? Downloaded by these entities. So I play, she purges and that shaman was like, you are amazing. So all of a sudden I'm like the hottest thing since I'm invited everywhere. This is what kept happening. I would get, I would get invited. invited to major retreat centers where all the movie stars go. And they'd be like, how are you here? How did you just get here to sing and to play? I have a gift. I had a gift. And the gift was being used.

It was being hijacked. As we talked about earlier. I got hijacked. Yeah. My sound got hijacked. Yeah. How much does music play into your, like, the new age, you think? Well, with me or just in general?

In general. I mean, obviously that seems to be a... Yeah. Something that we're all all lured towards. You can have massive crowds in one in unison with music. Yeah. There's chanting. There's drums.

Yes. There's frequencies. All of the raves. They're taking things. And it's like, it's a trance music, which they used to have in the Old Testament, where they would go into these trances. I mean, music, I woke up this morning. I had just been in a dressing room yesterday.

shopping. I heard a song and I woke up this morning and that song started playing and I had to rebuke that thought because that's programming. That's how the enemy uses music. So it's not just New Age. It's pop music. It's, it can even be, you know, Christian music at times. It's not, it gets in like a program and it starts to program the water molecules of your body because we're 70 to 80% water. And if you've researched Dr. Massaro Amato, work, which I'm obsessed with, when you speak to water or when you even sink towards water, the water molecules align with the frequency of what you're saying to either beauty or chaos. So music's a huge, I think music is one of the major ways that the enemy.

I've seen witchcraft stuff like that on social, where they speak to the water. 100%. And then they drink the water. Yes. Yeah. Which is. Moon water. You stick it out in the frequency of the moon.

Yes. I want to ask you something because what you've said, I think, is so important. I have friends, veterans, I can think of top of my head that have done, had a psychedelic experience, and they talk about how it was healing, right? I have friends that I met God and or me taking, doing this medicine quotes, as you say, I had this experience with God and I'm healed. Like, can you talk about that for a second? Because I think that, as you said, and you mentioned it is, is the twisting or the or the allure,

but it's not what it is, right? Yes. And I think we're talking about on the show, Krista. We've said that like the reason that which doctors have jobs in tribal areas is because people get healed. It works. It works, right? But what does the...

But at what cost? That's what I want you to address, yeah. So this is the way that the Holy Spirit has kind of described it to me. The bank of Jesus, you never have to pay back the loan. The blood of Jesus is, it is endless of forgiveness and grace and mercy and mercy and and healing and it's a non, what's the word I'm looking for? Transactional? Yeah, it's non-transactional.

It doesn't make any sense. So in that world, because the blood of Jesus is from the third heaven, right? This is the throne room. We're transacting in the second heaven realm and the realm of the soul. And so it's like a bank. So you go into an ayahuasca or a wachuma or, let's just, just say like a yoga retreat or a meditation. Yeah. And you are spreading your soul out or you're unlocking your third eye to hop the fence illegally again like a thief and a robber, scripture says,

and to see into that second heaven realm of angels and demons and all kinds of tricky things in there. You're giving them something. Like I want a healing from my, you know, childhood abuse. They'll give you something, but now they have the loan. It's a bank. And so I've seen people do this. I did this, where you'd go to the bank and you would get, you would manifest what you want, but at some point, because it's transactional, they now have your legal right to call the loan. So for instance, when the entity, and this was kind of wild. Okay, so I didn't catch this for the first like six ceremonies, the first, air quote, shaman, he would, it's like a long intro. He's speaking in Spanish and it's praying over the medicine. He would say, bien-de-de-lis. Welcome. Michael.

Michael. Gabriel. Raphael. Angels. Lucifer. And I did not catch the Lucifer for the first six times did not catch it so finally a big blurry creature fan my friend susy bettiz who owns poopery i met her that's susy listen susy let's go no i'm telling you she is so awesome i met this woman at a private iwaska ceremony in her church she lives in this huge church in dallas she's gotten radically saved she loves you guys she just she is so on fire for jesus right now but she caught the shaman going, Lucifer? Like, are we inviting Lucifer into the ceremony? And he was like, yes. Yeah. He's important. He is Jesus's brother. Oh, that is that. So the whole way. So remember, if you're in Eastern thought or even the Freemasonic thought, the checkerboard, the black has to equal

darkness. And the way that you overcome the darkness is you're just okay with it. You make friends with your demons. So if we are God, who has forgotten our divinity and we've forgotten and broken off into this simulation of death and murder and betrayal, then the only way to get back there is to just be okay with it all. And we've come, it's like our karmic part and we're being okay with it.

I mean, they really do believe. And when you're on the medicine, one of the main things that I even got to and that most people is like, I'm divinity. I'm God. I created this, right? So. That's the trap, right?

Because if you're able to manifest stuff, then you have this ability to create. I'm God. I would come out and I'd be like, I am such an amazing creator just like looking at creation. Because the whole trick is we are God that had broken apart and we are forgetting so that we can experience rape and murder. and we couldn't do that as God. So we've forgotten. That's the whole trick, right? So now I'm remembering my divinity.

I'm getting back to this place. So this man would invite Lucifer into the ceremony and do, he would call him transmissions with people, left eye to left eye, which, you know, brain chemistry. There's a lot that transfers like that. And they would download entities into them all night long. That's where, the revelation go to zero was that was adopted where it's a curse. So now you got second heaven

legal authority through the adoption of the biology of your temple. I can drain everything that you absolutely own. I could take your kids. I can, I mean, yeah. You're inviting things in. You are inviting. And the thing is, it doesn't start with plant medicine. It starts with, let me just try this one philosophy of Eastern philosophy. It's so tricky. Oh, so yeah, the things like yoga or meditation, transnational meditation.

Which I was a yoga instructor. We passed where I used to, and now I'm like, oh, now I know yoga's to yoke. I am doing Hindu deity poses. I would not like to invite those guys into me. I can't do it anymore. I mean, obviously as Christians, we invite the Holy Spirit into us.

Right. But it seems, though, when you get to the sort of the corporate size of Christianity, you're lacking. I think we're all looking for an emotional experience at the top. We love to go to the big events. Everyone's singing the songs. Is it more the emotion? The experience.

The experience that we're actually sort of just, we're not actually connected to Christ and sing it from a humble point of view. We're seeking our own spiritual experience often. Like where wolf yoga. Where will yoga? Where will yoga? That was a joke for the last episode. But you know what I mean?

Like, I think that, I think it's sort of, in a way, it sets people up for more. Yeah. More. I want more of this. And it's easy. Think about it. Okay. So you look at scripture, which is the manual of how the technology of our spirit,

soul and body works. Well, that's not fun to wait on the Lord. It's not fun to fast and pray. It's not fun when you feel like being angry at, your brother to, I will worship you because I know that my, you know, neurochemistry can't be in worship and gratitude and depression and anger at the same time. It's hard. So the easy part about just popping a mushroom or a microdose or ayahuasca or keep it going back, you win every time. You see something every time, you feel it almost every time. Well, it's a back door. It's a back

door, it's easy, but you're hopping the fence into the second heaven realm. And they always call the loan. So, you know, I've, I've really dialogue with the Holy Spirit about it because I was kind of known as the magical child in this medicine space. They were like, everybody's off in hell. And I would see, you know, it's kind of crazy, they tie up people on the medicine. So at these, like in physically, they have to sign waivers to be like, if I, they're manifesting their demons and they tie them up. And I would see, I would, I'm more of a feeler. So it wasn't like a visual site, but I would sense this, these dark entities just clawing at these people.

And all of the shamans that I worked with, they, they were like, you're off in heaven. What is it? And I would have people the next day, and this is just the grace of God, they would look at me and go, you sung me out of hell. You played me out of hell. And sometimes it feels like when you get that phone bill, it's like the crash site document. You can't read it. There's a bunch of numbers, random fees, vague language, stuff's blacked out.

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and scripture says, give me an undivided heart, which means our heart can be divided. So there were parts of me that were fully still sold out to Jesus. That's irreversible. That's Spirit Man in Ephesians, too seated in heaven places. I was going to say, it sounds like you're having two experiences at the same time, whereas some people are lost and they don't know. So they're looking for some sort of spiritual. They might find a false Jesus. They get a sense of healing for a second. Right. But you have sort of two drivers. Two drivers. It was like, you talk about a house divided against itself, not being able to stand because my spirit man was anchored in heaven. It's in the third heaven, right? It's seated in heavenly places. But my soul, those parts of my heart,

were literally being trafficked in the astral realm. And like I said, I think the energy, me knew like I'm a mama bear I get really feisty I'm a very feisty person I think he knew don't pull back the curtain and show all the dark stuff it was all most of it was really beautiful in there can you I want to you to talk about that for a minute because I we talk about the astral second heaven I know when we were talking you know before at Laura's event you were talking about this idea there's a false Jesus that would run around these camps but what other what kind of What blurry creatures, if you will, are you running into in these spaces? You hop the fence.

I hop the fence. What you see? A third eye, which is not the eyes of your spirit, was blown open. In fact, I would encourage people if they have opened their third eye through meditation, through kundalini yoga, through plant medicine, ask the Holy Spirit to get it shut. Because your radio stations are mixed. So the kind of entities that I would see, the first night with that first guy, I saw his, it was almost like his master. It was his clingon. I call him clingons a lot of times.

And I am a trekkie. I'm a total geek. And it was this old leathery. I could see the entity that was powering him. But of course, I would talk about it and it was like, no, no, that is just, this is what they say. It's just your ego, right? You're seeing the manifestation, the density of the collection of the collective, you know, darkness in somebody that we just need to become friends with it. We need to become friends with the demon.

Yeah. And you'll see people all online talking about becoming friends with your demons. So this is different. I think they say they mean it metaphorically. They're not really like, but you really are. But you really are. So there is a difference between your inner child. Isn't that a Greek mentality as well?

I don't know. Some demons can be your friend. I think we've talked about that on the show. It's very new age. When we talk about spirit guides and all that kind of stuff. Yes. It's very new age that the demons are playing their role in order for you to experience separation.

So the way that you beat them is you just become. friends with them. You're okay with them. Yeah, you're fine with them. So you're in the second heaven. You're seeing things. And we know that humans want to be worshipped. And if you are a higher deity, the ultimate con artist would be a false Jesus. A hundred percent. Yeah. So false Jesus only showed up twice, I believe. I remember the first time he showed up. And here's what's tricky at this gorgeous, beautiful retreat center. It's very expensive that everybody comes into. They have the staff. of the Buddha, they have the Pacha Mama, and then they have Jesus. And there were people. I mean, I would actually go out and hang out with Jesus sometimes during the ceremony. Like the statue?

Yeah, the statue. I'd be like, okay, I need Jesus. So I remember one night, I was, my eyes were closed. And you know how you can, and when you open your eyes, you see all the fractals, you know, think of like the ultimate druggy poster with all the psychedelic, you know, fractal. You know, fractals. That's what you see. You see the flower of life. You see all the fragments. You see the laylines. I would, it's kind of wild because you're seeing the grid of the technology that father set up that the demons travel. It's like this big web and this big grid. You're seeing it all. And it's the technology that they've hijacked in the secret societies and through magic with the K, all the occult stuff. You're seeing the grid of it, the infrastructure of it.

So false Jesus, my eyes were closed and you know how in the dark if a light turns on you can see it. So I could see the outline of this light, this light being. And he was going through and he was kind of casting off the darkness. And when people, you know, people are hurting. It's not a pleasant experience. They're throwing up. They're hurting. It's like you're battling your demons, but they're real demons.

And he was kind of, it looked like deliverance, right? And so it looked beautiful. And I'm like, oh, Jesus, you showed up. Thank God, you know. I mean, I'm still singing to Jesus half the time, just in total mixture and deception. And I remember getting on the floor, I was like, oh, Jesus is here. But the texture feels different. Like I see the light.

I see the deliverance. But the texture feels different. And it hasn't been until afterwards that Jesus, the real presence of Jesus, this is the best way I can describe it. He feels clean. That's just it. Because there's power. These guys have power. You feel power. You might feel love. You might feel, you know, ecstatic in your body. But it doesn't feel clean. I don't know. Holy doesn't clean is the word that Jesus gives me. No shame. No shame. He always always. felt clean. There were no strings attached. There were no strings. So false Jesus would show up. A lot of times, I remember one time when the big guy, the shaman that would invite Lucifer in, he said, now if the demon comes, you have to just, like, you want to just release because you're working the shadow work out of you. And I saw him. He was above me like this. And he had my head, and he was just cracking and popping me

and my body was physically writhing and it was like just let go I'm putting you into alignment well what was he doing he was getting me totally out of alignment totally whack-a-mole but you feel this is also what I think I think he was restructuring my system

where I was I felt good the next day but my power source had changed it had changed from the third heaven of Jesus to the power source of the second heaven This is the false Jesus doing this to you? Not a demon? This was a demon. This was a demon.

But, you know, and the medicine, you're supposed to make friends with them. That's how you overcome it. When we talk on the show, I mean, this is, it's the supernatural spiritual world is legalistic. So when you start giving permissions, then they have permission, right? You open doors, they can come through the door. Everything is legality. Right. Everything.

And so on this side of everything, I've had to do a lot of deliverance. I've had to do a lot of closing of the doors because I gave him. And again, it was deception. I didn't know it. But it doesn't matter. He's just, they're just a bunch of lawyers taking notes, scribes, of like, what can we do to have access? So you've got entities of light. You have demons.

But what else is, are you encountering in these? So I remember one of your first, the guy was talking about all these, I think it was the things you see on DMT. It was one of you did. Yeah. Yeah. So. Machine elves and all that. That is very, that's normal.

people. I never saw them, which is really interesting. They would talk about these condorcitas, that they're these little surgeons, and they go in and they take things out of your body, and people would physically get healed. I have asked Jesus, like, why didn't I see those? And he said, I protected you. You had a shield over you. The blood of Jesus is the ultimate protection. So that's the thing. They had my authority open doorwise to come in to specific parts of my heart. But I had a praying mom that got me back. I had a praying dad that got me back. I had encounters with Jesus.

I knew Jesus. I loved Jesus. So he protected me in there to some extent to the extent that he could. But then I had given legal authority where he's like, my hands are tied. You got to go back in and renounce that stuff. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think that that's the hard part about a human is, you know, we are an empty vessel until we invite the Holy Spirit.

I mean, that's the whole concept of Christianity. And then there is like every single time we talk to a deliverance minister, there's this other debate that raises on of all. How much can other spirits influence you? How much can they impress you? And what is the legal issue there? So it seems as though if you do invite the Holy Spirit in, you're kind of asking for a little bit of chaos because other spirits are going to be like, well, he's an empty vessel. He's doing his own thing. We'll leave him alone.

But she's actually doing something. So we got to send more. So it's almost like you have, like you said, you had two drivers. And how do you feel the Holy Spirit in these moments? Is it every other day? Is it like every other hour? Are you going back and forth between? Like, oh, I still believe in Jesus.

I still believe he's there. Yeah. This stuff feels good on one hand. But like you said, there's a debt collector on the other hand. Like what is happening in your head and heart as you're balancing? these things. Well, the vision the Holy Spirit just gave me is kind of like somebody who had 2020 vision and then your vision just keeps getting worse. So you can see, but it's now blurry. And Lara talks about that a lot, you know, just the mixture. You know, she's like, I don't want

to have mixture. So that's kind of been my heart's cry is where is the mixture and just my thinking? Because really, truly, the way the enemy gets in initially is through the wound. He loves plan on our wounds and the wound of my marriage he utilized that to you know it was not it was a slow burn it was not like i woke up one day doing all this stuff yeah you know and and you still it wasn't like i mean i wouldn't read my bible let me let me just paint the picture it wasn't like i was like jesus i'm worshiping you it was more like of a yeah i believe in him he's a concept so that's why when all the godlings and i'm telling you these people are devoted to their practice. They fast. They do specific diets. They work the earth. They set up their altar every day. They pray. You

meditate. I was doing all of this. I remember sitting with some yogis in Nasara, Costa Rica, where we lived. And I was just telling them some of the stories I'd seen that Jesus had done, you know, like seeing legs grow out or like we would pray and cancer would completely be healed. And they were like, why are you? you here? Like we never see any of that at our yoga retreats. Even the shaman, because we would drive with him to this retreat center. And I would tell him the stories, he'd be like, we don't see that kind of stuff here, right? Like, why are you here? And that got me, what? Like, I am here. We talk about mixture. It's interesting, Krista, because, like, they include Jesus, which is fascinating because you have this very, very deceptive, dark, you know, it's the alternate. It's the back

door to the cherry-picked parts of him. But he's an ascended master and he's part of the crew, right? It's like the human version of Jesus. Yeah. It's the human, okay, this is it because has anybody come on and talked about Christ consciousness? I haven't heard a whole lot of talking. I don't know to that. I mean, I know what it is. We haven't had. No, I know like there's a big names like Richard Roar and all those other people that are pushing that. Everything's Christ consciousness. So what that in essence mean, there's, there's a couple books, Power versus Force. It's Dr. David Hawkins. And he's like muscle tested, the frequency of different emotions in the body. and he's like the highest ascended master or teacher that we've ever had is Jesus.

You can test books and you can test the frequency of the consciousness level. Everything's about the consciousness level of these teachings. And Jesus Christ has the highest level of consciousness. But he wasn't the son of God in the way that Christians say. He was the way, the truth in the life, but he's here to show you. He's the archetype. He's the prototype to show you if you get in the Christ's consciousness of love and light and forgiveness of sins and everything is okay, then you too are now Christ. So they believe Christ is coming. Yeah, Christ is coming back, but you are the manifested Christ. Right. You try to upgrade yourself to, and Buddhists would say nirvana. You become a Buddha. Right. And it's literally just, boop, here's put this on Jesus, right? I mean. You are God.

You are doing the work. It's exhausting. I have learned I'm a terrible God. Like, I'm so glad to have a God again. Well, I would say that, like, you went far, far right. You went as far right as possible. But what you see in the church is you see this hyper-reformed movement that goes far. We are.

They do. We can't have anything that smells, looks, or tastes like spirituality. Right. We have this very black and white way we live. And anyone who does any of that stuff. Right. is clearly deceived. Right.

And almost to the point where then they create the theology and they debate, rages on forever that God chooses you. There's not even a choice involved, not even a spiritual choice of choosing God. Right. Because you can't have anything that smells or looks like New Age. So we have these people on both sides of the camp. Somewhere in the middle is probably where your story is now, right? Yeah.

And I love the last one you did with what was the guy's name? Michael, talking about Jack Deere. Just this beautiful balance of theology and the gifts of the Holy Spirit, which is what I think people are longing for. Because I was heavy in the camp of the gifts and the spirit manifestation and the prophetic, which can get a little wobbly if you don't have the balance of theology. Or even just the Nephilim, like Judd, Burton is from Merkel, Texas, which I live in Abilene now.

So he's 15 minutes down the road. I would go see him. And Judd was like, I love what he says. It's the Rosetta. The Nephlin piece is the Rosetta Stone of kind of understanding. So getting that piece, I think, has helped a lot of people who needed, they stopped trusting the Bible because they were like, you're bipolar from the Old Testament to the new.

So getting that nephalum piece was truly a piece that actually bridged it where I was like, no, you're good the whole time. these guys were bad. Yeah, these are the baddies. Right. Yeah. And then you're able to apply the spirit, the crazy stuff, and acts with the balance of the theology. So you're, you say, did you call them the godlets?

Godlings. Godlings. The tiny G's. Yeah. So you saying that you knew they were there. You knew they were giving people healing and power. But you didn't know their origin story. Didn't know the origin story.

And then once you did. I'm like, wait a minute. Fallen Angel Watchers, what am I doing? And then these entities are their Nephilim off spring hybrid? Like, what am I doing? It was such an aha moment, just binging. And when I say I binged, I binged you guys, because I felt like I was getting water and answers for the first time in my life.

And I call my mom and I was like, I'm playing for the wrong team. And this is where a lot of people get stuck because there's power involved. because they're getting a semblance of healing. And it's easier, okay? It's taken a pill. It's taken a pill. You're laying down your life for your neighbor in Christianity. And this one, I get to manifest my dream house overlooking the ocean.

It's like doing physical therapy or you just take a pill. And you're, you know, I don't want to do all that work. It's easier. You don't have to be subservient to any God. You are the God. So you're just manifesting. it's harder in the beginning to be like, wait, I have to submit to something. Like when I had Laura on my podcast, when I was still coming out all this, and she kept saying the word Lord.

And I was like, I'm twitching a little bit. Lord. And I'm like, Lord, I am not the Lord. Like that whole Second Heaven world wants you to be Lord. They want to give you the knowledge of the tree so that you don't need to submit. any longer. Well, also, it's not the story of us, too. Like, like when we're supposed to give all, make Christ the Lord of all of us, right?

And I think even if we're not trafficking in these spaces of, you know, of psychedelic, ayahuasca or darkness, like there's still portions of us that we have, we don't give. We want to be Lord of our lives in these places. Guilty still. And that makes you think of the Old Testament a lot because a lot of Christians don't understand the Old Testament. Right. But I think this is what's going on.

Yeah. You get bored. as an ancient Israelite, and you see some woo-woo magic happening over the hill. And you're like, man, we're just chilling here, waiting for God to do something. For 400 years.

These guys are doing drugs. They're seeing weird stuff. They're having fun. They're healing each other. And these empires, though, are set up around the world to the Lower G-gods. So it's more of a,

it's not just going to a retreat. It's an entire empire built around whatever God that they are serving. but they're lured into it. Because as a kid, you grow up reading this, like how can the Israelites wander back into this? Same. After all the deliverance of, you know, from the hands of evil,

getting fed. And you're like, oh, we're out of here. Yeah. Miracle after miracle. Yeah. And yet they go back. Yeah. Because God seems to want, like you said, it's patience.

It is. And is seeking him. It's not the microwave that we are so programmed for. quick instant. There's no commercials anymore, right? I mean, it's as fast as possible. So it makes sense why this psychedelic, you know, phase has come about because people want to heal faster than it takes to like, hey, I'm grinding it out with Jesus for years to get rid of my addiction, you know? So how does that, so then, yeah, I want the end of your story in a sense of this part of your story. So, you know, you kind of, you hinted at it, but you were playing violin at these massive things.

You were kind of recruited to be this, you know, this important person at these ceremonies. And, you know, I know you said your mom sent you some, you started having questions. But how do you get out to a place where you are now? Like, where you've given your life back to Christ. I always love ending these episodes where we're exposing the darkness with, like, here's the hope and here's how we're... Right. Absolutely. Yeah.

And here's how you get out of it. So I, the greatest gift is losing everything. Everything. And when I say I moved in June of 2023, my parents got us some plane tickets and said, we'll pay for you a place because we were down to what iteration of rice and beans can I make for my kids. And things just kept going away. And so I kissed my husband at that time goodbye on the curb of the airport was like, get us back down here. We moved to Abilene, Texas for what I thought was this summer. And then a vision quest happened, which is a different Native American ceremony.

Like peyote or? Well, he did Wachuma and ayahuasca, but you don't eat or drink for four nights, five days. I was just fasting. And the vision was, it's to end. And so it was a very abrupt ending where there was just no communication. anymore. And you talk about a lack of closure. It was the most painful thing I've ever been in my life. And I was like on the fence. Do I go all the way back into Jesus? But doing that means my marriage is over that I have fought tooth and nail for for 17 years. I mean, through infidelity and getting back together. I mean, I had fought to keep my kids in a family unit. They had two parents and I fought so hard and so. So my, this is a cool story. So my mom brought in these two people to do a conference at their healing center.

And she said, can you play violin? I was like, fine, I need the money. You're going to pay me? That's great. So I get there. And the first guy says, what we're going to do today, we're going to renew our covenant vows to Jesus. And we're going to divorce bail.

Well, that's what happened at my wedding at the call. everyone the whole stadium the whole world on god tv was renewing their covenant vows to jesus and um divorcing bail so i was like okay jesus i'll renew my covenant vows with you but or i'll divorce bail but i'm not ready to renew my covenant vows with you because if i do that it means my marriage is over well then the worship leader starts playing the song that was played at my wedding which was dance with me a lover of my soul he starts playing it i'm like the same song of my wedding and my mom looks at me and she's She puts her arm around me and I'm like, no. And I just go running outside and I'm cussing at the sky.

I'm like, I fought for my marriage. I've fought for it tooth and nail. Like, if I come back to you, it has to be more than just one song, you know? So I go back in. And as I'm walking in, the second song the worship leader starts playing, this is not on the list, by the way, was Agnus Day, which that's the song I led at my wedding day. So I'm like, okay, Jesus, you want me back. like you want to marry me again. So I go up to the speaker at the end of the conference. And I said,

Hey, Ed, his name's Ed Watts. I said, thank you so much. I needed this weekend. I haven't been in the presence of Jesus in a long time. Apparently my marriage is over and I got married at the call in Nashville on 7707. And his eyes get, you know, as big as silver dollars and he puts up his hand like this and he holds up his wrist. And you know those ugly plastic bracelets that everybody wore like in the 2000s? The Lance Armstrong one. This one was so faded. Like there weren't even words on it anymore. And his eyes filled with tears. And he said, I've been wearing this bracelet since the call, 7707 for 16 years. And he said, I got it on your wedding day. And he said, I got it on your wedding day. And every time that I went to take it off, the Lord said, not yet.

Not yet. And so the orchestration, when I say Jesus is on special ops rescue missions to get his kids back, the orchestration of those speakers and my marriage is over and the two wedding songs of my, when I was the bride were being played of Jesus going, I want you back. And the speaker wearing a bracelet for 16 years because out of time and space, God knew that that day, 16 years in advance, I would need a sign that Jesus was after me. Like, y'all, I was like, I'm in, Jesus.

I'm back. Let's get married, you know? And from that moment, truly, God told me at the blurry gathering with Laura, he said, you know, Krista, I actually chose you to represent my global bride that day. Because I just thought it was a cool wedding, right? He's like, I actually chose you. And your life is a picture of what happens when mixture gets in with the bride. But I always come back for her.

And that's the hope piece, man. All these people lost, all these people hijacked and stolen. I know. And this is what the Holy Spirit showed me. like I'm like a special ops virus because quantum entanglement's real. I now have been in their camps. I've done all these ceremonies with everybody. And they thought they affected me,

but I'm now entangled with a whole bunch of people who I now can plead the blood of Jesus over all the time. I'm like, save them, Lord, save them, save that one, save that one. And I just do it all the time. So I now have authority because I've been in their camp, right? You get authority by overcoming. something, I now have authority to send Jesus back to all those places. Ruin their ceremonies.

Ruin their ceremonies. I send the real Jesus in. I want to ask though, do you think that like going to that place where you were like, you had nothing? Mm-hmm. Do you think that was the loan being called? Oh, it was awesome. I think there was a loan being called in for the agreements you had made as far as... I think that...

Or do you think that was God working saying we're going to rock bottom? I think God uses the enemy like a pawn. He thinks it's a chess match. God is using him on the chess board to bring about his will. So what the enemy means for evil, that's my verse. God is using for good. And so I know that even calling that loan where the enemy, think about it, Jesus on the cross, he's like, got him. And Jesus is like, ha, ha, ha, really?

Gotcha. It's like he uses the enemy. He's like, yeah, you can take it on it. of what's coming. Right. Yeah. You know, rock bottom was the best thing

that happened to me because it brought Jesus back and God orchestrated it the whole time. He's so good. And although the entities that you had made agreements with couldn't deliver.

And now I have authority to trample on those snakes and scorpions on behalf of other people. Let's go. Christa, I love that. I'm just like thinking about this from all angles

and it seems as though like one of the, do you think that Satan tries to get people to practice spirituality and ignorance? Yes. Because I think Christians do that. Yes. And then I think New Ages do that. Absolutely. And the ignorance is not a hall pass, unfortunately, because he only, he's a legalist.

It's everything that he is able to do is because Father, who is so beautiful, but has created laws. when we violate the laws, then the enemy just like, you know, in Job, this is my theory about Job. I don't know. Don't quote, I'm not a theologian. But it said, Job said,

what I feared came upon me. So fear is always an open door. Because I've always wondered like, man, that's really mean God. He was awesome. And you just let the enemy do something to him or you let the Satan. But that,

fear is so interesting. Yeah, Michael Miller said that in the last episode that one of the demons told them, how did you get here? She said, he said, well, the woman speaking was fear. Oh, yeah. And I was like, whoa. That's the biggest one. That's so wild. That's the biggest one. And unforgiveness. But I think that it's, it's just amazing that if you don't, you sometimes just like having some answers to some questions of like, okay, why do we get to the end of sort of the thing we want to do in Christianity's worship. Yeah. But who really am I worshipping?

And why am I worshipping? What is this ancient practice that I'm doing right now in the modern era? Yeah. And then you get to an age in your 20s, 30s, you start asking harder questions. Nobody answers those. You're just supposed to keep worshipping. You just keep worshiping. Don't ask any questions.

Don't have any. And then you go, well, I think the new age has better answers. Yes. So I'm going to go over there and dabble for a while. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, because it's quick. Yeah. And it works.

And you can go to a stone reader and pull out five stones and she'll tell you what's wrong with your body. Yeah. And she'll, because her entities that are guiding her prophetic gift that got hijacked as a psychic, they all work together inside of there. That's why the blood of Jesus, you know, I always thought, I don't know how, in Christianity, it was like drums are of the devil. Like, you can't listen to that, you know.

Some denominations still say that. They're still there. It's like, this is of the devil. But you weren't told why. So I don't know if you were like me, which was like, that I really like the sound of it. You know, and you're curious. So they hate rush, obviously.

Yeah. Yeah. You're like, but I got a pearl endorsement. You know, like they give me free genomes. I got a pearl endorsement. I don't know. That's 80s. Let's the pearl endorsement, yes.

But it's, it's that thing where you're not told why. You're not told why to stay away from it. You're just told the demons are going to jump on you. So then. people are like, well, really? I don't know. And then they just start to. You're like, well, is that really going to, I mean, what if I don't?

And what are they still going to? And then they don't. And then we got, we made more money than we ever had. Yeah. They're tricky. Like, scripture doesn't say to stay away from it all because it doesn't work. Right. It's because they trick you to get that loan.

Then they got you. This one, it's amazing. And it's incredible to hear your story. I think the same thing happened to me where like stories, big foot. and other weird things and oddly being connected to the Bible helped me answer some questions

that I was sort of just floating out in outer space trying to go, why the flood? Why the ancient world was so crazy? Why all the stuff that I grew up in Sunday school that I didn't, that I don't know if I understand now and why how we just hyper-focused

in the modern era on morality. Yeah, yeah. And we stay there. And then it's like, Jesus just, you know, social justice, Jesus. And that's all we know. That's all we can understand about Christianity in the modern era. And then you go, wait, there was these fallen angels.

And there was this uncovered history. And so that was the genesis of blurry creatures. It's just cool to hear you on the same journey that I think that we were on. And we just decided to document and put it out there. Didn't know other people would have connect the dots. And I just think information isn't the problem. Yeah, I know. So many Christians are afraid to talk about UFOs, aliens, Bigfoot, giants, Nephilim,

Watchers, Angels, demons. Onerunaki. Yeah. New Age and all the things. But I think those of us are artists and more creative, we're going to be drawn to that stuff. Absolutely. No matter what. Absolutely.

And so as Christians, we need to be the best artists. Mm-hmm. You know, we need to be creating content and art that's better than everything else so you you can go down those rabbit holes, but ultimately you're just left unsatisfied. You come back to Jesus. I mean, look at this beautiful stuff that you created here. Totally and ordained, right? Yeah, all this 80s stuff. So what about now, Krista? So now I will honestly tell you, getting here and opening up my voice again has been the fight of my life. The enemy does not want me speaking again or and it's you know the inadequacy and

disqualification all of the normal lies that he does have been really coming at me. So I've kind of been in this little cocoon of mom land and my little apartment with my three babies just recovering from the trauma and the devastation of being like a couple years ago a 45 year old woman who owned three suitcases full of clothes. Like it literally got to the loss of everything. And so I'm so grateful that you guys asked me to do this because it takes the Lord pulling me to, this was really hard for me to do, to get here. And I know that just even doing this, it's time to start doing what I do again, which is unconsored. covering the works of darkness and teaching people the true Jesus. And I love some of people

about Jesus right now. I'm like, he's real. He's real. I promise you. You need to get saved. He's real. I never was like that as a Christian author speaker. I'm like, no, I'm telling you, Jesus. I have evangelized more people. But I've been doing it in my little Texas town. So when you ask me what is next, I don't know. But I think this will be a catalyst to get my creative juices going again. What a beautiful story. Yeah. Thanks much for sharing. Thanks for, we're grateful you. You chose us to share it as well. I know I know you share other places, but like this is just a, it's an honor. And I, and I set the top, I think this is such an important message for folks.

As the allure of what we, what we air quote is plant medicine is becoming more and more mainstream. Understand like sort of, as you said, it's the, it's, there's power, but it is a, it's a trap. it's at a cost. It's at a cost. And they'll call that loan on your life. You don't want that loan to get called. Yeah. And it's, it's the great adventure as Michael W. Smith. No, that's Stephen Curtis Chapman. Oh, that is Stephen. We got to burn the ships, as Michael W. Smith said. Burn the ships. Isn't that? If that's Stephen Curtis Chapman, too, we've just failed completely. We did. We did. I feel like that's Michael W. It was working in country. Yeah. Michael B. Smith is my place in this world. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I remember being kids.

hearing that on the regular radio. Oh. And that was a big deal. Amy Grant and the Michael Libby Smith, the big crossover. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's true. It was Stephen Curtis Chapman. I mean, those were the golden days of Christian music.

There was actually some good music coming out. It's for King and Country. What is wrong with me? I was like, wait. It's for the same country? Yeah. You got to keep yourself humble on your own show. Go West Young Man.

Making some dumb comments is how you do that. Go West Young Man. Yeah, that's true. You know, we. But tell Michael W. Smith, hello from us. Oh, I will. You guys need to meet him. He's just right up the road. I don't think we can show up at his house. I don't like you appreciate that. Oh, no. Come over today. They'll love it.

Go say hi. I love it. Yeah, I mean, I remember being a kid, and those are the formative years of asking those harder questions and a lot of those artists. And I think it is such a pivotal point in a lot of young people's lives. And I ended up being in a band and playing music years later. And I think that's where it kind of started, like singing in the car to some of these, these art. and not having that ability to get on stage and sing. Like, it's not something boys did in the young age. And then you kind of secretly sang these songs.

And also, but. Is that your secret ambition? Secret ambition. Hey, let's, hey. Hey, listen, I have played Friends or Friends Forever. Friends or Friends Forever more times when I was curious. You're not going to listen to this show, but there's a lot of love from my my favorite camp moment.

My favorite camp moment. And I'll end with this was me and my best friend singing Friends or Friends Forever in front of the camp and like kind of cheesy but with this old Elvis head anyway is that summer snow is that pre-summer snow I was 20 years old at that point there and I think we said this in pre-show and you said you wanted me to say it but Michael W. Smith his wife Debbie his daughter Kim Walker Smith when your friends fall off the cliff and they go into the darkness as Christians guys we have to remember that they are deceived and lost and need you not to cut them off and judge them and hang them Michael W. Smith than his wife and Kim, they were the ones in the Christian camp, because I knew everybody in

Christian world and everybody went, roop, unfollow, I mean, just very intentional backing off. They texted me consistently every single year. We love you. Jesus loves you. Come home. We love you, Jesus loves you. So that's also something I would like to encourage people if you've lost people into the New Age or if you watch your Christian hero fall, please pray for them like the heart of the Father because he wants them back and you could be a part of it as opposed to just talking about it. That's awesome.

I love that they have the security in their own faith to not be offended by people who walk away. And I think that's God's love. And I know they prayed for me all the time. Yeah. I had an arsenal of people who really did pray and it works. That's awesome.

It's cool to hear those those cool stories about your heroes growing up. Yeah. Michael Lovysmith was like part of part of my family. Yes. I love it.

Awesome. Thanks, Krista. Thanks, thanks for coming in. Thank you. It was an honor.