Blurry Creatures - EP: 363 The Temple Conspiracy with Bob Cornuke

Episode Date: October 8, 2025

What if everything we've been told about biblical archaeology is wrong? Former SWAT team member and FBI-trained investigator turned archeologist and author, Bob Cornuke, joins us to share his transformation from law enforcement to biblical archaeology.  After a harrowing shootout that changed his life, Bob partnered with Apollo 15 astronaut Jim Irwin and spent the next four decades following evidence that challenges centuries of tradition. In this explosive conversation, Bob reveals why he believes Mount Sinai is in Saudi Arabia, Noah's Ark rests in Iran (not Turkey), and most controversially—why the Western Wall, Judaism's holiest site, might actually be part of a Roman fortress while the real Temple lies in the City of David.  Join us for a mind-bending journey through hidden history, archaeological cover-ups, and the dangerous pursuit of biblical truth. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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because they don't want a bloody nose. They want a job. They want to be respected. And they surround themselves with people that agree with them because they want to have their prestige. They want to be published. They want to be promoted. And so you do not have anybody really going out there and testing this stuff because scholars are usually attached to some institute which funds them, a professor, which gets funded.

Follow the money. And all it's gotten to me is people showing up on my talks in protest. I had my Mount Sinai video, a little mini bomb in our house in our mailbox out front with the video and the video and the video and the. book in it blown up. Really? You know? And so those are the kind of subtle things. I get death struts all the time from people just saying, hey, we don't like it. People call you every horrible name in the book because people don't want that. But my goal in law enforcement, as it is an investigation, is to try and find truth, unvarnished truth. The history of our earth is so different from what we can imagine. Joy to join. The Smithsonian, it was a bit of

they found out about a large skeleton somewhere was to go get it. I'm going to assume at least one person is right, because if one person's right, it bust the paradigm. It all goes back to the fallen chair. And the problem with the modern day church, they have a very truncated view of the supernatural. This backdrop that's just pregnant with all kinds of meaning associated

with this Mount Hermon event. And this guy defects from the kingdom. That's a big deal. Here we are. Back in the basement with Bob Cornuke, Bob, you know, we talk about blurry creatures all the time here. But today, I think we're going to talk about the blurry places, the places you've been. You've been all over the world, places like Mount Sinai, Noah's Ark, Paul's Shipwreck, finding the Ark of the Covenant. So all these places that we talk about in platitudes a lot on our show where like weird, strange things are associated with wild places. So welcome

to the podcast. Thank you for coming on. And you have a, an amazing career. I think we're going to get into some of the stories there. But we've asked everybody since the beginning of the show for the last five years, Bob, what are your thoughts on Bigfoot? And then we go from there. Well, do you think of a, I think it's real or not? I don't know. I've never done anything on Bigfoot. You've got a big, big impression here. It looks like my mother-in-law made that. That's a real track right there. You know, no mother-in-law. You know, it was a female, though. That's a female. That's a female track. Yeah.

People get attached to a sensational notion and they kind of go with it and then they start letting evidence, you know, start spooling out. But who knows, you know, on the Bigfoot thing? I'm not, I don't research that, but who knows? You know, it started our show and then we kind of launched into all these different areas. We started talking about giants. And we start talking about giants. You start talking about, you know, pyramids and megaliths and little sort of like whispers of the

past and the explanations you get aren't really. the best. So that's where our show kind of took a hard turn into like a lot of the biblical stuff that you know, these are stories that aren't popular on Sunday. Like, wait, what, what happened there? Let's talk about that a little more. But what I like about you, Bob, is that in another life, you answering that Bigfoot question, you could have gone into the Bigfoot space like, like David Politis in a way because he was also in law enforcement. And you went into sort of the, the archaeological space. Like, we talk about alternative history or hidden history in this. Like, there's definitely an archaeological explanation, whether it be Hawass in Egypt telling you this is how it is,

and that's how it is. Archaeology is, you know, it's the science is is the science, right? And, but you went from law enforcement into into biblical archaeology and be, and this is really special for me personally because I've read your book, Temple, and I wanted to have you on the show now for a couple of years. But my dad gave me that book. And it was so fascinating to me that what we've been told about history, could. could be different. And I think one of some things for me, before we're getting into, I want

to get into your story and how you got there, but one of the things was fascinating for me was the Quebec Leiteppe, especially. The recent things happened the past few years, we had Hugh, we had Hugh Newman on, Dr. Judd Burton talking about this sort of anomalous piece that rewrites this, the archaeological record, the historical record narrative because we've got hunter-gatherers supposedly at this point. Now all of a sudden we've got these temple structures, these advanced architecture. So that's one way, I think, the last four or five years that I've seen sort of the archaeological narrative be rewritten. But you've done some really crazy work on the location of the temple, which I would love to get into at some point.

You've gone to Mount Sinai. We actually talked about you with Joel Richardson. So if you guys listened to this episode, we talked to Joel Richardson about Mount Sinai, the real location of Mount Sinai. Good friend. Yeah. And you came up. But as Nate said, you've worked on a bunch of biblical archaeological sites and narratives. How do you get started in this? Because I think that's a fascinating part of the story is that we have this big academic machine that tells you this is what we're supposed to believe about history and here's what we found and case closed but and they're and mostly they're wrong because you're very generous in saying that archaeology is a science it's not a science it's more of an art um because uh archaeology is just the study of durable rubbish we're trying to

figure out what this stuff says yeah and it depends on what university okay you give you got a $100,000 grant to find Kadesh Bernier. You find a rock. You does it out. So this is Kadesh Bernier. They get their grant money. And then that becomes put on a map. And we accept that over and over, because university claims it. Scholarship is wrong all over the place. And we are being spoon fed just a lot of misinformation. We should really classify it what it is. It's our best guess as to what it is. We can put someone in the electorate based on degrees of probability. And there's no empirical evidence out there, for physics and pure logic.

So what we're dealing with every day is degrees are probably, we're guessing at what these things you're saying. But pretty soon you get those pieces of the puzzle and like a mosaic. It starts to make an image. As we find more information, it gets more of a refined image. But people are being taught probably 80% of history, ancient history is wrong as far as locations go. Bob, what's the first thing you and your career that you discovered or the first thing kind of shifted your perspective on these things?

Back to the first question. Yeah. It needs to be laid up to get to that question. I was a police officer, FBI trained homicide investigator, did a lot of investigations, homicide, major crimes and things like that. And I learned that evidence isn't proof. It's a proper interpretation of the evidence that is the proof. First of all, you have to figure out what this is, and you're going to say, what is the

evidence saying? Because if you say it's wrong, then it's going to be, you have an end result. And so, you know, attorneys are. paid to muddle the facts. Scholarships sometimes are paid to muddle the facts. For instance, you go to any scholar today in university and say, do you believe in Noah's Ark? Now, down deep, that might say yes, but about 98% are going to say no because they want three things. Scholars want three things. They want to be promoted. They want to have prestige and they want to be published. If you say you have Noah's Ark and you believe in Noah's Ark, a supernatural event like that,

you're not going to get prestige, I can get published, you're not going to get promoted. So just by the nature of their job, compartmentalize, they have to say, I don't believe in that. They don't venture into the choppy waters of discontent.

They stay in the safe harbor of mutual consent. They feed off each other. They stay in that bubble. When they write a book, they footnote, they say, well, look, I've got 5,000 footnotes. No, you've found 5,000 guys that agree with you. Right.

Your footnotes aren't going after the truth. See, in police work, we have two things to find truth. We have a thing called problem plus possibility. What are the problems with this investigation? What are the possibilities? Scholarship has a thing called premise plus proof. So they come up an idea. They put their, they put all their source material around this hypothesis, and they all agree, and they agree to agree. And somebody that ventures into their bubble and says, no, you're wrong like I do all the time, they marginalize and characterize me. They will slam me. So there's not really an open,

discourse where we can have conversations. People are in their little camps. They stay in their camps and they fortify their camps with people around them. So it's really a flawed premise scholarship is today because we're not really getting the truth because we're not challenging things the way they are. Do you feel like a lot of human systems are kind of like that though, not just academia? It's like it bleeds out in everyday life. So I was a cop and I was a policeman in Costa Mesa and went to Fresno State in a full football scholarship a long time ago. I was, you know, so anyway, so I was one night, there was this somebody lit his truck on fire in his front yard in his house. And I was working, I was a detective at the time playing crows, and I was coming back doing a,

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cop car you said that's an unmarked unit there I was playing clung got out of the car walked up to the front door by the front door and I saw this truck on fire and apparently the guy was arrested the night before for drunk driving he lost his job family left him he blamed the cop he wanted to kill a policeman so he poured gas all over

his truck he lit it on fire and waited for a uniform officer to come so he could shoot him well I'm in plain clothes and he goes you're a cop I'm going to kill a cop and I said well who ordered the pizza you know So I started walking back and I felt tree branches coming on me and leaves and the bullets going through, even felt my hair rustling from the bullet going past. And then I felt a horrible pain in my calf, my left calf, where the bullet had impacted the asphalt and the asphalt sprayed up. And I thought I was shot because it hurt really bad. And all that rocks came up.

So I pulled in behind that, rolled in behind my police unit. And CNN shows up and ABC and Channel 90. all these people are there. They're section off the street, thousands of people, and I'm pinned down behind this car, and I'm about 25, 30 feet away from the shooter out through a screen door. I mean, right by the front door there. And he's shooting, and I hear the bullets bouncing off the car

and hitting the street behind me. I'm seeing it. The stucco flashes from hitting the stucco, and the tiles popping off there from the glass breaking all over. Yeah. And he's shooting, shooting, shooting, and then all of a sudden about three hours go by, and I say, you know what?

I have had five cups of coffee today. Now, you can't piss your pants when you're on national TV and live to tell about it. Your reputation's going to be gone forever, right? So I just tell the guy, said, hey, why don't you come out? We'll just handle it right here now, like John Wayne. He kicks the drawer open. He comes. He's about 20 feet away, 15 feet away.

Little yellow spits of flame coming out at the end of his barrel. And finally, I just do or die. So I threw myself with the trunk of the car, pull the trigger on a 12-gauge double-out buckshot. slammed back into my shoulder. And I heard in the darkness, the guy thrashing around in the bushes. But I ran into the house and that helicopter news guy says, well, the officer, the brave officers going to the house to save the hostages. And of course, you know what I was doing. And there I'm like, come out about three minutes later ago. Everything's code four in the house. Everything's really good. But that really hollowed me out. So that started me saying, okay,

I left your department right after that. I don't know why. I love police. but it was just a hard thing to see a guy splattered all over, and you were holding a smoking shotgun. So I went out and moved to Colorado, met a guy named Jim Irwin, eighth man to walk in the moon. So he said, let's go look for Noah's Ark. And he was the first one to drive the car on the moon. That's what started me.

That's kind of a circuitous long run to get here. But we got Jim Irwin. Great guy, man that walked on the moon. He gave me, the family gave me just a flag recently that was on the moon, landed on the moon. They had a couple of them he brought back. So I've got that framed in my house. So I've got a piece of lunar history.

Yeah, all the internet people are rolling their eyes right now, Lou. I mean, those kinds of topics come up a lot on our show, all the conspiracy theories. But we try to bring a lot of data and science to them, too. And from the beginning of the show, it was like, even talking about Bigfoot, you know, we brought on the doctor that talked about the Bigfoot. And he had, he was a foot expert. And so we like to talk about, you know, more of the concrete evidence here on our podcast. Not just talking about platitudes about conspiracy theories.

But so. Do you remember one's a believer? Germany, he's a believer? Yeah. Well, sensational claims create a vacuum, and they need to be filled, and people want to fill them. That's a hard part. For instance, on Bible archaeology, most of the places in Jerusalem are wrong. Okay.

But people want to see where mere real estate was turned into a holy precinct because of a divine occurrence that happened there. Out of necessity, they want to. So they'll have a shrine and gift shop put up and they'll say this is where it happens. For instance, where Christ was crucified or the tomb that he was in, the two places over there. And I've written books on all these things. And I find that mostly people just will fill that vacuum. And a lot of time it's just erroneous information. And I try to go back as a policeman and say, what is the real truth?

A lot of time we can't find it. But if you dig deeper and you'd be sensible about it, you can find reasonable clues like breadcrumbs. in scripture and a lot of people aren't doing it with the temple you know luke people have been sold a bill of goods and where the temple is they bought into it they they put their whole lives in it they go to the western wailing wall and they say it's the most holy place in the world that god's revealed presence will come down there but yet they don't read in history where uh everything is pointing towards the city of david six hundred feet down so we got to get into this bob okay but we got to start to go back to jim so jim gets you getting you going in your career yeah

and you start moving like okay maybe i'll do this so you're you're you're going to do this so you're You go look for a Noah's Ark as the first. Well, you know, it's pretty cool when you're meeting us. You've seen them on TV. You see him come down on those little parachutes and they land on the water and you see the video of them. I remember they're driving on the moon, you know. I'm watching that and being enamored with it.

And now I become really good friends with the guy that's saying, hey, I need a guy with your skill, an investigator who is willing to go into dangerous areas. I need a bodyguard in Turkey. For instance, when we went to Turkey, he asked me to be his bodyguard because the Kurds are fighting the Turks over there and there's a lot of shooting going on. I was involved in a lot of shooting stuff over there. And Jim said, hey, you're the right kind of guy because under stress, policemen learn to go inward and they keep control themselves. So when the bombs are going off and the guns were going off, he needed that. And so we became very, very close friends. And then

he started to ask, yeah, he started saying things that he, I said, Jim, tell me things that happened to you that you've never told anybody about going to the, you know, going to the moon. When you're traveling them or you're on the moon. And he told me a lot of things. He said, I've never told this to anybody because no one has ever asked me. So we did a deep dive on all those weird things that happened to him going to the moon. Give us one. Yeah. Oh, he said he was sleeping and all of a sudden he goes, I have these green flashes going through my eyeballs on I'm sleeping. These green streaks. And he's going, what the heck are those? These bright green laser things going through his eyeballs. And they found out from the scientist that there's very small particles in space

that travel so fast and they're so small that they can go through, they can go through the spacecraft, and they won't damage the spacecraft, they're so small, but they would go through his retina, and they wouldn't damage the eye, but they're so small,

these little green flashes are going through them all the time. And then he said, well, I couldn't sleep. He said, I couldn't sleep. So he said, I was in between two guys, you know, for a couple weeks, you know, he said,

they're jostling me left and right, so he said he undid his seat, his little harness, he floated up, floated behind the three bench, he laid down back, there and he fell asleep because he could stretch out but he was floating around and so he said but i woke up in the morning and my neck was so painful because his head was you know weightless so we got

the trash bag and he jammed it between the struts of the seat and his head so his head wouldn't float around and bang things so you know he said he just slept there like that because he wanted to sleep little stuff like that yeah and and by the way you didn't know this but when he was on the moon his feeder tube didn't work it broke it came down and you try to you know get his tongue down bring it up so we can get a little water. He couldn't get water. He lost like 15 pounds. His boots were full of water above his, by where ankle knob is, you know, the little with the thing on your ankle, the little knob there. The water came up that high. He said, he was walking around the moon, sloshing in water. It was just sweat. Put such a strain on

his heart that when he was coming back, the biometers showed that he should have been taken to an ambulance should have been taken to the hospital. And he died young from that heart problem. He created on the moon. He stood out there for 12. 12 hours, and he's drilling down. And then I said, well, Jim, why'd you have to drill down? I said, don't those things. He said, we had to do it twice. So I went down. He said, I got two sections of six feet of pipe of the moon stuff. And he said, the scientist back in the Earth NASA said, no, they won't fit in the capsule. He said, I just put them in. I lashed him down. They fit perfect. They said, they won't fit. He goes, they fit. And they go, no, you got to get

three, four foot sections. So he did go all the way out there again. drill down again and by this time it just caused so much strain as hard so we got three four-foot section did they put him in court was it a core sample is that whether it was a course sample yeah but and and i've held moon rocks you know i'll tell you a funny story we went to we went to uh i was giving a tour to general torum ty was like the vice president of turkey and you know the secret service there and we're going through the national space museum so jim and our trunneling through the national space museum and jim's going there's a brush there and it says the brush says we're washing off, to dust off, you know, the rocks. He goes, that's nuts. He said, we wanted as much

dust as we could. He goes, those are for our suits. I said, but it says that this is, this is the space museum, Smithsonian. He goes, they're all wrong. So when we're leaving, going out to the tour, there was an exhibit there, and it had a moon rock, a shaved moon rock. I don't know if it's still there or not, but you leave by the entrance. There's a little, people can line up and they can touch a moon rock. And Jim goes, I want to go touch a moon rock. And I said, all these people from Ohio and, you know, Jersey, all these tourists with their cameras. Jim gets in line. It takes about 15 minutes. And I'm thinking, this is nuts. I said, he wanted to go up and touch that moon rock. And I said, Jim, why are you touching the moon rock? He says, because I've never touched one.

I've always had my gloves on. He said, I got 280 pounds of this stuff. But he says, I always wanted to touch a rock. LinkedIn is pretty amazing at helping you grow your small business. We cannot make your email response time faster. We can help you sell, market, and hire in one place. We cannot help you find space for your three desk drinks. Why do you have three? And while we can't help you find the perfect volume for your presentation video, LinkedIn can help you find the perfect audience for your business. Grow your small business on LinkedIn.

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It was just, it was crazy. Those kind of things made it real fun, having an astronaut as a friend. That's kind of cool because, you know, I think, It's the start of the show, you kind of like understanding there's like reason to be skeptical about certain things and systems, but also like when your friend tells you sort of intimate details of his experience, you kind of can hold both in that, you know, some people just go so conspiratorial that they can't hear anything. It can't hear the stories. They can't. They can't decipher what is true or what isn't true. And, you know, I think half our listeners debate that that stuff ever happened.

And I think Luke and I always have to sit in this seat and just listen to people's stories. and for minutes to spend what we think or believe and try and get the data out of somebody and say, what do you think and what happened and why? It's interesting to kind of hold both those things at the same time. It's difficult to do, but I think we're always trying to get more of better answers

on our podcast. Well, Jim, the one thing he said about the moon was really got me, he said, because we were driving once through the desert and you could see a full moon. And I said, what do you think about when you see the moon? He goes, I own it. It's one thing.

I said, what freak you out more than anything? He says, well, he said, when I was on the moon, I looked back at Earth, and I saw this green and blue and white and brown ball rotating in this vacuum of space. Space is death. It's dead. It's a zone of death. You can't live. Nothing lives there. He said, but he said, you know, he said, I just, it marvelled him at the earth. You can even see the clouds, you know, and everything else. And he said, it was just how beautiful it was. And he said, he put his thumb up like this in the moon. He said, he raised his visor and he put his thumb up and he got centered over the earth. And he said he covered it up with his thumb.

And he said, his thumb just covered up the entire earth. That's how far away was. He said that just freaked him out. Do you see anything weird there? Like seeing anything you couldn't tell you on record? Well, Jim is, Jim comes from that fighter pilot kind of mentality that he sticks in that lane of just, of what, you know, he didn't get into the sensational stuff. He's very, the right stuff is the right word for these guys.

But he did say one thing. It really blew my mind. And I, to this day, I don't understand it. Maybe you guys do. But he said, Dave Scott was the command module pilot. And he was sitting next to Dave Scott. And he said, we're on the moon on the lunar module. I'm sorry.

The command module is that little cone shape and a little spider thing is the lunar module. the lem he landed it he said so when they get on the moon he starts talking to dave scott and dave's talking back to him and he says i see dave's lips moving but i hear his words two seconds before he says anything and i said what what do you what do you attribute that for he goes i don't know he said because the bible says that satan is the dominion of satan is the is the earth and that's where he he seeks to devour but his dominion is the earth he has He has no dominion over the moon or other planets. Just the Bible says it's the earth.

He said, so we weren't constricted with those, that white noise and that blurry, those images of Satan that's always bombarding us with. He said, we just had a pure moment where he's speaking and I could hear his mind say the words two seconds before his lips moved. He said, that freaked him out. You know, like you're on a phone and you hear an echo. Yeah. So Satan is not up there cluttering our minds and our hearts and our things.

It was a purity up there. And he said, and I've talked, I know six of the astronauts. They all said they had some kind of a religious experience or a spiritual experience up there. So like telepath? Buzz Aldrin, I was partners with him on a project in Russia for a couple years. And we had time to travel and talk together. And he landed, the first thing he did is he did Holy Communion on the Moon.

He got there and they did communion on the moon. But, you know, it didn't make them into raving evangelicals. Right. But it did move their, it moved the goalposts of their, or their faith. faith, whether it's to God or through some spiritual stuff, a little bit further. They all had an impact on the moon. It's got to be something crazy about the perspective, too, about being far from home and maybe realizing how small you are in sort of the context of our lives. Like if you're, like you say, if, you know, Jim is covering up the earth with his thumb, there's something about being

that's where I'm, that's, that's home. And there are a billion, eight billion people down there, or whatever the number was at that point. And yet I'm here. And it must be a vastness of space. It must feel infinitely small. We've talked a lot about the Dominion, too, on this podcast. In depth, actually, a lot about the legal laws, the theological laws, the unseen realm laws that sort of govern us. We don't really know what they are exactly, but they're there.

So that would make a lot of sense. And a lot of these telepathic moments where people will say, well, they'll encounter something, and they'll express that same sort of thing happened to them. Some creature was communicating with them in some shape or form. Even UFOs and alien stories, that's what people say. So no UFOs on the moon. Well, when I did a thing with CBS, they did a show on me, and they said there are three things that people are interested,

ghost, UFOs, and Noah's Ark. He goes, we do shows on Ghost, UFOs, and Noah's Ark. He said, we're going to get viewership. Yeah. So, you know, they really like to talk about it. I did think for National Geographic on Noah's Ark, and they were just really, really fascinating with it. But just to go back to your question, Luke, what you said about being isolated and so far away,

I said, Jim, did you have a cyanide capsule? If you press that button and the engine goes and it doesn't launch, right. There's really no rescue available. Yeah. You're dead. Calvary's not coming. Doesn't go.

Yeah. you're dead. So you've got to sit up there now for another 12 hours or 24 hours or until everything runs out oxygen, water and everything else. I said, did you have a cyanide capsule that you'd put your teeth, you'd just bite it and go? He goes, no. He goes, I just would have opened the door. It would have been vaporized. Oh, can I tell you one more story about Jim and the moon? This is a great story. Great guy, by the way, and I'd like to just say that it was such an honor to know him, a very honorable guy. Jim had everybody give them wedding rings. You can take a pouch about this big of just personal stuff to the moon

because gas is so valuable that you can't really go and take a lot of stuff. I mean, you're not going to go take your skis and everything. You've got this little thing in you, you put it in your little cubby there and he says, so he put wedding rings from all his friends. And he puts them in. Now keep in mind, astronauts are trained monkeys at this time. They're not told to be creative. They're told to be reactive. They're told to be reactive. So they go through a checklist, and they memorize this checklist, and they go through it over and over for five years. So when he took these rings up there, and when they left the moon, they landed on the moon, when they came with the lamb up, the lunar module capsule, and it connects with the command module, which is that little cone thing that has the parachutes on it, as he's about halfway back, he goes to Dave, he goes, well, did you get that stuff that were in our lockers? She goes, no, did you get it? He goes, no, I didn't get it because they were so wrote and so repetitive that they couldn't think past that.

He didn't remember all his friends' wedding rings. So now the land went to circle the moon and with time, gravity, to suck it in his crash. So it's somewhere spread all over the moon or all these wedding rings. And maybe a thousand years from now, somebody's going to be walking along saying, where is all these wedding rings doing? So he came back and had to call each friend say, well. Sorry, but your wedding ring is on the moon. They made it to the moon. And they all went, that's cool.

That's even better. That is crazy. I just appreciate those stories because I think it's an exercise in helping us to kind of come back to how we think about things and stories. And a lot of what we do on this podcast is personal stories. You know, people who have these encounters with things. And we're not there. We don't have those experiences ourselves. but just the inflection, the tone, how someone's saying something.

You have to kind of go on like, is this person telling the truth or not? And you have this moment with him, a deep friendship. And he's telling you intimate stories of being on the moon. And you can't convince a lot of other people that that really happened. Oh, I'm sure people are rolling their eyes, as you said, because these stories are fanciful, a lot of them. Yeah. But they were, it showed the human side of the people on the moon and what they're doing.

He drove that car on the moon, and Dave Scott goes, well, I want to go down and climb down into the Hadley Ryle. There's a big mountainer called the hydroler. He said, I'm going to hike down there, and I'm going to get a better shot. And Jim goes, you go down there, you might not be able to climb back up because it's all dust and everything. And so Jim goes, have that. So he said, I'm not going down there because he wanted to go in a very precarious place.

But Jim said, no, I'll go so far. I mean, but I'm not going to go tread in places that could be really bad for us. And so, you know, all those, all those little nozzles that they have on their suit, that's because if somebody runs out of oxygen, they could actually put a little, you know, connection, a little umbilical there and help people. So if one runs out of oxygen, the other ones get up there. So it's a cupidavent. I'll tell you, I'll tell you one more story.

Can I tell you one knows? No one knows. No one knows. No one knows. when they left the lunar rover, which had wire wheels on it, didn't have real wheels, he had wire wheels.

And you could see a little Bible on the console there that Jim left. He wanted that Bible, he forgot it. Another thing he forgot. Brilliant guy, but he was like Mr. McGoo in some respects. But the delightful guy, and Mary, his wife,

she's tremendous, tremendous. But Jim said that they land on the moon and they get out, and if you saw the movie of them where they pull the lunar rover off and they wheel it down into the lunar dust, right? They're getting ready to go. Well, it's all on TV.

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He said, we were down there, we were banging on it, trying to pry. It just would not move. He said the wheels would not turn. We got in and we're out there and it's kind of embarrassing, you know. The whole world's watching. So the wheels didn't turn. So Jim goes after an extraordinary effort in time, he goes, let me try one more thing. So Dave goes, sure.

So Jim gets down on his knees and he puts his hands on the rover and he goes, Dear Lord, please, please let this thing work. In Jesus Christ's name, amen. They got back into that seat and that steering wheel turned right after that prayer. Wow. And he said, that blew him away. He said, you know, Jesus walking on Earth is more important than man walking on the moon. That was a great statement, he said.

He didn't take him, he didn't think what he did was heroic because he said, I was just a passenger. I wasn't steering anything. He said, we're going to the moon and we're coming back. In fact, he always said, well, Jim, have you ever been stationed overseas when you're a colonel in the Air Force? He goes, never. The only place I was stationed overseas was the moon. Wow. That's the only time ever life.

It's always a great assignment. So when this guy shows up and says you want to go on a quest, you're like, yes. Well, you know, you get starstruck. You know, you deal with that probably with your family name and stuff. You get starstruck and it really just becomes over exciting. And I was so starstruck with Jim because if all he's accomplished. But then when he took me in as a personal friend and we go camping and hiking and riding bikes together, then you really see that down deep he's just a guy.

Just like you and I, he just happened to have a super big, cool experience, you know. Cool job. Cool job. Yeah. But it's still a while to like, you know, you want to go along with him. You want to, your career kind of starts with this question, right? Well, at the time, my spiritual walk was, you know, I was a cop and I'd been all this stuff. And, you know, you get very skewed as a cop because you see the bad side of humanity.

You know, normally see the good side of humanity. So when he said to me, hey, let's go. go look for Noah's Ark, I'm going, really? Yeah. A boat? Yeah. Animals. Noah. I said, everybody that looks for Noah's Ark probably wraps tinfoil around their head and they

look for the mothership. But then you start going and you start looking and you start researching. You're starting seeing all these ancient writers that go back to Namram Sin and the Gilgamesh epic. They all talked about a time before the flood and then a time after the flood. You know, they're the historic historical fidgers, these ancient writings talk about a time before the flood and after the flood. So there's some, there's some event that was so cataclysmic that they really felt it was worthy of defining humanity as before this and after that. I mean, I think a lot of alternate history historians that come on our show, they talk about that. There's like ancient apocalypse, you know, those kinds of things where there is evidence that every culture knew that there was a flood.

Yeah. And also giants. It's in every culture. It's just a fossil record. The flood stories in every civilization, as you said. And so, yeah, there's a lot of, you know, the Indians have a thing, eight men on a boat and survival with animals. But it was just, you see, people look at Noah's Ark,

and they go, well, wait a second, they have a keel on it. And they have the bowed front and the prow and the stern in the back, front and back. It was a bow. And they have a keel. That wouldn't have happened. You know, the biggest boat we've ever had in history was three. 300 feet from the Swedes and made out of wood, and it leaked because of the tensile strength and the

twisting. It was a floating barge. We're looking at the arc and we're saying, wait a second, what's it made out of? Well, the Bible says it has a lower and a middle and an upper. Well, we all assume three decks, right? That's an assumptive interpretation. Well, when you say a lower, a middle, and an upper, and it's all covered in tar all around, so you don't put tar inside a boat, doesn't do anything, or outside. You put it on the outside to make it water repellent. You don't put on the inside. So I thought, what's really weird?

So then you start thinking about it. The arc could have been. Now we're going to go way beyond the paradigm of traditionalists. What if he's saying a lower, a middle, and an upper are logs that he dipped like even palm tree logs, because there was very, there was no cold weather, so we would have the maples and the hardwoods and meant even a soft fibrous. Covered it with tar on the inside and outside. It's like a surfboard at the time or a Boston whaler, you know, where it's unsinkable.

So he puts in tar and he puts all these logs going lengthwise, like you see these floating log jams in the rivers. Then you put it on the left side and you lash it together. Then you put it this way. So you have three layers that could do the tensile street. It could go, it could bone because it was just floating. It didn't need to go anywhere. Why would you put a prow on it when you're not going anywhere? There's no need for hydraulic efficiency.

It just needed to float. Survival. For a long time. And then on top of it, he could have had. had cages to allow the wind to go in, get rid of the waste, and I mean, to allow the air to get in and the waist to go out. It was just in enclosed hall with all that defecation of the animals, there would be diseases, and they'd all die. And so, you know, and then the top of the ark, the ark was probably really ugly. When he describes the upper port or the top of the

arc, when Noah pulled back, he used a Hebrew word that kind of can go back to, it could be skins of an animal or even a porpoise, you know, but it was an animal. The same word used when he put back, you know, what he made the, the, the, the tabernacle off of, you know, the tavern. So it's just, you live in Tennessee. You get a little rain here once in a while? A lot of rain. You see a lot of tarps on stuff and everything. Well, the ark just needed a tarp. It didn't need to have heavy beams. There was no snow. So it just needed to repel water. So the model I just gave you is probably more, more realistic, but it's far from what contemporaries except traditionally. And when you go against someone's tradition,

and they always want to have this boat with the little, with the Noah's in his little Hirachi sandals and there's giraffe sticking their head out of the wind, little porholes, and you know, he's going like this. That's what we see. But really, it was probably a very ugly, crude-looking object that just floated. We had a long time to build it. Maybe he made it pretty, Bob. You know, he had like a couple hundred years, right? Like a floating tar box.

Well, you know, I know how the word, you know, gopher wood. By the way, I'm just talking about the wood. It could be a lower, middle, and upper. That could be when you're talking about it made out of gopher wood. Goffering could be a process. Like you have plywood is not a tree. It's a process. Tongue and groove is not a tree.

They're not a tongue and groove. It's a process. When God was saying gophering, he could have been talking about that. But gopher wood got its name this way. And I did a deep dive and I'm a, you know how what a brilliant scholar I am. Noah got this because he got the word go for wood when he said to his sons, go for wood. Oh, there we go.

Okay. Dead. Yeah. Thought I have a drummer with a little thing. Okay, I'm sorry. I never get a laugh at that, but my wife is over it. She's in the honor. She never laughs at that either.

I mean, I like it. So then you go to, let me ask you this then, because I know we want to, we're going to, you start it when those are. Do you believe it's in Turkey? Where do you think it is? No, I don't think it's in Turkey. What do you think it is? Because, you see, the reason we accept that the arc is in Turkey is because,

because Marco Polo went through there. And in his journal, he made this thing where he talked to the Armenians. Now, the Armenians just got their Bible translated, and they had only one mountain in the area, and that was Agri-Dog, New Agamesee, or Arat, which we talk about. And so he writes it down in his journal

when he comes back to Europe, and people disseminate that through the Catholic Church and it gets viral. And we've adopted that today that they said, they never said they saw, the ark or that the ark is there. It said it said that the ark is there. And Eret, so because of that mistranslation by Marco Polo, we were really kind of stuck with it. But see, that's one cone mountain. And the Bible says that there were, the mountains of Earat, plural. Mountains. So we're

looking, we should be looking at a mountainous area over there in the Anatolian plane in Turkey, which I've been many times. I've climbed and been all that mountain in helicopter, plane, foot, horses. I've been all over it. Many, many times. I've got, harrowing stories that we can talk all day long about getting shot at, chased, and hiding, come down the mountain at night. We're being shot at, and military shooting flares to try and find us. I've got great stories like that. But we have a multiple mountain necessity in scripture, the mountains of Ararat, okay, plural. Nowhere in the Bible it says Mount Ararat. Right. Okay. The next thing is, if you read Genesis 11, 1, and 2, it says that the descendants of Noah

journeyed from the east and they settled in Shinar. Shinar. For all intents and purposes, is between the Tigris and Euphrates. That's like Baghdad area. So they're talking about Noah coming from the east and the use of the preposition, the Hebrew preposition Apu, which means from. So if you read the NIV Bible and say it's going towards these, if you read the King James Version is saying it's from the east. These are opposite. Right. Totally opposite. We say the word of God is the word of God and we can trust it. But yet we have the, the Bible contradicting itself completely. And this translation says they're come from the east. There says they're going towards the east, okay?

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We settle the argument by we go back to the Greek-speaking Hebrews and the Septuagint. where they use the preposition, which only means from, not towards Iran. So we need to rely on that it's from the east that they came, which means they would have had to come from where, the Albers or the Zagros Mountains and probably Iran, not Pakistan's too far away. So we centered our search in looking in Iran,

and I've been there five times in Iran. I went over there with Josh McDowell, Frank Turrick, and went over there many times, climbed the mountain, and we found over five. hundred more traditions in Iran literature through, I went to every library can go through, but I went there by myself and traveled the whole country for a long time. And I got all these recordings of testimonials, scholast. They believe Noah's Ark is in Iran 10 times more than anybody in Turkey does. So that could be a region where they came from. It was from the Minya tribes,

according to Nicholas of Damascus and Josephus, the area of the Adia bean, which is all in Iran. These ancients are talking about that the people coming from the Minas, the Manet tribes, which are the lakes over there. So we have reason to believe it was there, and we actually found something that was petrified wood. If you go and look at my video, I think it's the Lost Mountains of Noah, you can go get it on YouTube. It's there free. We talk about the testing of that wood and what we found. We found an object that was purported to be Noah's Ark from a guy in World War II named Ed David. He was over there.

Ed Davis was worth the Army Corps of Engineers, bearing roads from the Caspian, up to the Caspian Sea. And so he was working, building these supply lines during World War when Iran was our ally. And he said that they took him out and they said, yeah, we're going to show you where Noah's Ark is. So across this valley about a mile away, he saw this dark object with beams and everything. That's Noah's Ark. Well, everybody thought he was in Turkey, didn't it. But he was stationed in Hamadan.

So I did a deep dive and I found out exactly where he was. and who were stationed the radius, how far as Jeep Lori could go with gas and there me. And I found out, so I took his sketch, I took it to a guy named Ed Holroyd, who was a professor at Denver University. A lot of Eds. He said,

I can find you where this is if you just give me this map. So he did. He did it, and it's a perfect thing. I went up, I found the object that Ed talked about. Now, whether it's noz or not, I can't say, but it is petrified wood. And we did have, we found bird follicles in it. We did find a lot of,

of different hairs. Able to date it at all? Three different chairs. Well, we had the clams around it dated. The petrified wood is not datable. Okay. You have to have organic material to date. Okay, you've got to have, let's say, particles come down all the time.

We're seeing particles come down, very, very minute, but they're radioactive particles. They come down, they're absorbed through plants, through photosynthesis. Animals eat them, then they die, and then they have half-life, so we can determine through that ages. We found clams. So I did this on National Geographic. I found a clam up there, a big clam. They could harvest enough calcium from it, and they could tate it. And through a beta-analytical in Miami, they did an accelerator mass spectrometer on it, and they found it to be 30,000 years old. Well, that's pretty old. Yeah. That's pretty old. But it's also very young compared if the Earth has to be billions of years old. What's this thing doing 30,000 years old and an altitude of 13,000

feet in a mountain. Just a very provocative thing. I cannot make a proclamation we found Noah's Ark, and we're far from that, because maybe God doesn't even want the Ark to be found. I was asked by CNN, I think it was, that said, when you love to just be able to have that wood from Noah's Ark, wouldn't you want to sell it? And I said, no, I said, it's done its job. It's over. It's just a pile of old rotting corpse of a boat. What it signifies is the saving grace of Jesus. If you're on that ark you survive if you're off that ark you perish there's no spiritual switzerland you're either on the ark or off the ark so i use that as an illustration when i speak in churches about about really coming to a knowledge of christ god says to come into the ark go go and come into the ark he didn't tell people

to go in the ark he was in the ark said come into the ark so so the site you discover is there is there is there a lot of debris there or is a lot of debris we even went we even went i was with steve crampton a constitutional attorney and and and i think i was over there with frank turrick and and Josh McDowell. Yeah. And we went to it. And I said, well, maybe there's something on the peak above it. And so we found this ancient, ancient altar that was all decayed wood.

And that tested to be 600 years old. Not that old, but somebody probably felt that object that is called Mount Suleiman after Solomon. And everybody around the mountain says that's where Noah's Ark was. Everybody calls that Noah's Arkville. Yeah. And if you look at the pictures and go on the line, like I said, the Lost Mountains of Noah, you'll see the grain and it looks just like a wood-beamed object. If you had to get your percentages like in your mind, what's your, what's your percentage that?

It's just a very provocative thing. You know, my level, because I'm used to testifying in court, I have a high level of evidence requirement and that's not met it yet. It's a level of being fascinating and it deserves more, but we're not going to go back in there. So circumstantially, would you say like you're, would you go, I'm 70% sure it's in Iran as opposed to Turkey? Oh, I'd say I'm probably 80% that is in Iran instead of Turkey. That's fascinating. I feel like Jill Richardson said the same thing that the locals were talking about, Mount Sinai. It was like they, there was like the locals kind of new.

They all call it, yeah, they all call it Jabal Musa. Yeah. In fact, I was over there in the Sinai Peninsula and this guy named Faruuk, he was one of the, he's a big clan leader in the Sinai Peninsula, the biggest clan leader. And he, we got along, big scary looking guy. One of those guys that just got a face that just likes it's like you took a blow torch and went and put a frown on it. He's driving me along and I said, well, where do you believe Mount Sinai is?

He goes, he goes to a bluff. He goes, we have a one week after, or two weeks after Hamadan, we always have a festival here and we pray to that mountain. He pointed to the mountain, my mountain, Jayable Allah, this is across the Gulf of Akaba. And he says, we've been worshipping that for thousands of years as the real Mount Sinai. Those kind of things give me a high degree of probability that Mount Sinai is in Saudi Arabia because the Bible says Mount Sinai is in Arabia. Galatians 425 says for Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia. Why are we looking at the Sinai Peninsula? Because Queen Helena, the mother of Constantine,

the emperor of Rome, she goes over there and says, well, I like that mountain. And they didn't like the one that she picked. And she goes, well, then I like that mountain. Well, listen, there's my, there's my documentary. Okay, look at this. You see the wood and stuff bringing down here? You can see the grain in the wood and everything. I didn't even know. let you have it on this to sit there. Somebody's pretty quick here. Damn's in there. Anyway, she guessed it.

She guessed where Christ was crucified at the Church of Holy Sepulner. She was a fortune teller, a mystic. And when you guess something and you're the mother of the emperor of Rome, Constantine, you better scribes put it down on a thing or get your head flopped off. So that's what starts these things. And the tradition just gets built year and year and year after that until it becomes ensconced in our culture. and you're a heretic for even suggesting it somewhere else. Bob, this is what you've been done.

So you go to Noah's Ark. Do you go to Sinai next? Is that the next expedition sort of in your career? Does this scratch an itch for you or create an inch? Well, the Noah's Ark one for me, when I went to Jim, we got arrested. And it was worldwide news. Okay, we got arrested over there. They said we had permission to take off in an airplane and fly around the mountain,

but they didn't give permission to land. So that we just assumed, you can take off and go around the mountain, but coming back and landing, that's a whole different thing. And we kind of bled over Iran and take photos. So they stopped us, took our film, they threw us in jail or under house arrest. All the news showed up within 12 hours. I don't know where they came from, but Europe, they just got there. The whole hotel was surrounded, and they had us under house arrest.

And then Jim made a few phone calls to the president or something, but they released us. And then we all came back, and it was the most fun I ever had. We got guns, and all my other guys are going, what the hell? I'm going to see my family. I said, I'm loving this, man. This is fun. We got the world.

We're unrest. I mean, what cool story I have now to tell my friends? I got arrested in Turkey. But that just lit the fuse on me. I didn't realize I had this incredible, insatiable need to try and find these places because it was just in my heart that was that packed. That's what I'd like to just give to the audience is find what is your passion and follow it. You know, just find that one thing that really drives you and moves your soul and feed that thing

because that's what makes you have happiness as you have worth and purpose. So I just loved going. And then we went and dove in the Red Sea looking for Pharaoh's chariots. And that's another thing that's all over the Internet. They found Pharaoh's chariots. And I'm looking on the Internet. If you go on the Internet, you can see all these chariot wheels that they say, are,

um, down there. And there's no chariots. They were made out of wicker. You know, in those days, the chariots weren't these big,

heavy wooden things to be taken through sand. They were, they were light. And the only thing you'd find of, of the, the cherries are probably the wheel hub, and that's bronze, which is very corruptible

in salt water. Plus, if the cherries went down on the bottom of, of the Red Sea, 35 years of sand blowing and windstorms, it's like,

look at your end table or somewhere on your house. If you go four or five days, you get a little, layer of dust there. And, you know, can imagine it for 3,500 years that much dust blowing across the desert and sandstorms?

It would be down 35, 40 feet way down there. So these people saying that they're finding the chariot wheels, they're all, and there's one that shows a wheel, and it has a big rock on the hub, and it's a four-spoke, and it's very shiny silver. We've done that testing

on, it's from a 1960-something Chris Kraft steering wheel off a boat that's sunk there. but yet they put the coral over the drill holes. Coral doesn't grow up. I mean, it doesn't go from top to bottom and grows from the bottom up. But this big chunk of coral is right on top of it to cover up the drill holes. And they pass that off as being from Farrow's Chariots.

Why do they do that? Because people want to have that recognition of sensational finds. And when you start saying, I'm relying on my discoveries that identify me, then you're really wrong as an investigator. You've got to let the evidence go where it's going to go, and you don't make the evidence say what it's supposed to say. I like that because I think this is how you have to have to do all these things. But obviously it depends on how much ego you have involved to elaborate a story or come up with some kind of hoax. And it's funny that there's even biblical hoaxes because we deal with that all the time in these spaces of people have, you know, hoaxing Bigfoot sightings or are encounters with creatures.

And it's like a niche within a niche within a niche. Like, why would you even try to pull that off? well, you know, they just want to become some name or something, some ego involved. There's always money involved. It's always like sort of, yeah, it's money or fame, right? So it's like, I'm going to get a suit on this. I'm about to tell you. Okay, there. You see that? Let's go. Is that a chariot wheel? That's a steering wheel from that. They say that's a cherry wheel, but that's a steering wheel off a boat, okay? Thank you for taking that. That's from 1960s. You know, it's milled, you know. And then they have big spools over there that are in the, that have been

crusted with, you know, clams and stuff. And they're laying on their side. It looks like a cherry wheel tip on the side. But they just dumped those big, when they carried cables up the Gulf of Akaba, he was very long, they just got through with the spindles. They just dumped them over the side. They float to the bottom. They get, you get encrusted. And then all of a sudden people are saying, well, that's, that's it. It'd have to be like cold water, deep cold water for something to survive, right? Very, very, with no oxygen for that line. And even then, it's just, it's hard to imagine. But we have things that are really good shape that are very deep and cold water. You're right. So like the Russell Crow Noah's Ark, what I liked about that film, even there was like some weird stuff in there, was like the vision of Noah's Ark was like a big tar box. It didn't look pretty like you're talking about it. I don't know if they took my book and did that or not, but I think it might have because, you know, they kind of made it look. It was big ugly, dark, tarry looking at. When I said that years ago, I think they might have taken that. People say it was a coffin. It was a symbolism of like. You're right. Because arc means box.

So why would you have a proud front and a proud, you know, stern? It was a box. That's what Ark is, you know. It's a box. Like the Ark of the Covenant. It's exactly right. It's a box, yeah. It's just a big floating zoo.

And then people say, well, it rained. How did it rain? How much time did it rain on when it rained on for Noah's Ark? 40 days. Everybody says 40 days. Every pastor. But if you read the next, I think it's eight, Genesis 8, it talks about the water. stopped

coming after 150 days. The 40 days and 40 nights and it says the arc lifted off the ground. But then we had a lot more water coming after that. And the great bounce of the deep broke forth.

And so you had all the subterranean water coming. So people say, well, you couldn't have that much rain. You couldn't. But the great subterranean water caverns exploded and water came up.

If that's really what the way it had. I believe it did because scripture says it, but I went in there. So I said all that because the pictures Yeah, there's the big ugly thing that Russell. But what you discover looks like black, like, rocks in the middle.

It was, it was, we walked up to that thing, and everybody said, we have just found Noah's Ark. So I took samples. I have everybody inscribe on the samples, and they put their initials on the samples. And then we had them taken to a geologist. We had a geologist with us, who was Reg Lyle. And it had, what is it called, Kurtz or something to some geological term. Anyway, it was petrified wood. But you don't have petrified wood at 12, 13, 14,000 feet.

Petrified wood is always lower altitudes. Petrified wood becomes because the wood absorbs the minerals and replaces the organic with the minerals. So it looks like a shadowing of wood, looks very much like wood, and anthropologically change means hands of hand manufacture. You see some of those beams that look like they're sawed off in the end. So everybody's screaming, we found Ozark, and let's do a press release.

I said, no, we're not. But one guy in the group who didn't even get up to the object started his own little crusade and got all over the news and because he said, we found Noah's Ark and he made that proclamation. He just messed it up for all of us because I had to deal with his stupid propwash that he was saying. He ran his mouth and he didn't have me to back it up with. But he wanted that fame. And he got it. He got headlines all over the world.

And I just went, you know. Yeah. Yeah, you get a goofy guy on an expedition like that. it really hurt you. You got to pick the right guys. Well, like it's cool as your career in the beginning kind of set you up for this where you have to be dedicated to something bigger and higher than just, you know, obviously it's a police officer, you know, you have all these background checks and you kind have to be committed to the job in a different way than just a regular job where it's all about

how much you get paid. It's a very good statement. An overzealous prosecuting attorney, attorneys have put a lot of people that are innocent in jail because they have a record of putting everybody in jail. Right. I have 100% conviction rate. So they're going to push the narrative beyond the boundaries because of their need for that recognition instead of the need for being accurate. And that's what I, and I'm not accurate and everything.

I'm sure some of my proclamations are way off base. But I tell people, this is my opinion. Right. And this is where I believe now. See, archaeology is very accurate because you say archaeology is up until now, we believe. if you get that in your head that up until now this is good because something's going to come along they'll give more clarity to that so up until now we believe the temple is in the city is up on the temple mount but now we found all this information and i was the benefactor of guy named ernest martin i'm not

the brainchild of that i just wrote a very popular book i had a lot i found a lot of biblical verses that it points to the temple being in the city of david and christ cannot return until the temple is built against or they're not going to build it on the temple mount this is where okay you see they're not they're not, they're not, they're not, Christ is not going to return because they're not going to build on the Temple Mount, but the, the temple does not, and I, you're dying to ask your question, so I'll just shut up from that, but go ahead and ask, but. Now, I want to start, but, like, what, so, you know, you're an evidentiary guy, as Nate said, so you follow the evidence, right? This is what, this is the, this is the police work. It's like, what does the evidence say?

What initially made you think that perhaps, you know, because your book temple, challenges the traditional side of, of Solomon's Temple, of this place, of the, of the temple. What made you first start looking into and thinking perhaps all of this tradition and history about the location of the temple? The locals were telling you, right? It is wrong. Because the book lays out in an argument. And as you said, you walk through all the evidence here and the scripture that says that, as you started beginning to show, that the whaling wall and these places that are the most holy places on earth, what if they got it all wrong? They did get it wrong.

Yeah. What made you, what first made you think of the temple? The temple is so beloved. I mean, you see all the, they're very acidic Jews there. They're praying. We see them praying and they're putting prayers and even the president of the United States. They always go over there, put a prayer on the wall. And this is considered the most holy place.

And it grieves me because I love the people of the Jewish people in Israel. I absolutely have fallen in love with them. I love their, they're, it's almost a patriotic. allegiance to that being the place. So you can't. And it's been told the fathers have told the sons, they've told the sons for so long. It's religious. It's made it very literally.

So you become a there's a verse in scripture says, have I become your enemy because I tell you the truth? And so that's what actually happened is that have I become your enemy? People over there mistake me for being a contrarian.

And I'm more of a clarifier. You see, scholars, what was the first thing, Bob? was the first thing that you were like, this is wrong? Well, I'll preface this with this. I'll put a pin in the ground saying this. I investigate most scholars regurgitate. That's pretty a simple thing. But where I thought it was wrong is, I've always thought that the temple was there.

Always. Arden believer went there, tourists, got my picture taken in front of the wall, put the prayer on the wall. Then I got a book from Ernest Martin. And when I was reading Ernest Martin's book, who was, an archaeologist working with Ori and Ben Mazer over there. I think it was Ori or Ben. I'm going to get letters on this one.

It was Ori or Ben he was working for, who were like the grandfathers of archaeology in Israel. Archaeology is relatively new science, a couple hundred years old. We're dealing with new, we've got a new thing here. But they went to Ernest and said, we cannot say this publicly, but we are convinced that the temple is in the city of David. It was Ori or Ben.

I'll have to clarify that later, but just trust me, it was one of the mazers, the big archaeologist. And Ernest went, what? And he said, but we can't, he said, why can't you tell that to anybody? He said, because we'll lose our families or lose our careers. You know, our reputation is ruined. Our social network, our friends will turn their back, you know, scholars will, all our books, all our sales, all our teaching. We're done. Yeah.

He said, but you can talk about it. it. So he got all this information and then he started finding the things were found in the city of David, which just exploded as being the place. And people say, well, the Western Whaling Wall, you know, how old it is, the Western Whaling Wall, there's two things that been found there archaeologically, three things recently. There's an inscription in the tunnel that I can show you in photos that says this is the 10th Roman Legion, okay, right as you go into that, I'm going to that big, where the traditional site is, that was the Roman fortress Antonio that housed the 10th Roman Legion. They've never found the fort of the 10th Roman Legion over there. And it's been there for

300 years and they had 10,000 people and they had 6,000, it was a Legion of 6,000. He had about 4,000 support personnel. Plus they had all the gear and the horses and the chariots and the sword. Josephus calls it the size of several cities. We never found that in Israel? Why? Because it's been right in front of us. That big Temple Mount. that 36-acre complex is the same size as most Roman temples throughout the world, rectangular, about 35, 36, 37 acres. Okay? That's the high ground.

Romans would have taken the high ground. But Josephus says, do you know how you find where the temple is? Josephus says, who's an eyewitness, says, you go around by the ancient wall, you go down south, which is the western side, and you go down south to the pool of Salon, which is that little pool at the bottom, the very tip, it's like a, it's like just picture Florida. It's like a, you know, peninsula. The wall goes down, which I believe are Nehemiah's walls, go down, and then it says you turn east, you go by the pool of Salome, which we know where that is now. It's just been discovered. A good friend of mine, Ellie Shukharan is so it gets credited with that, but he didn't

really find it. I love you, Ellie. I know you're going to be watching this, but a backhoe is building a sewer line out of there and hit the steps, and he dust it off, and he said, this is it. But Ellie's a great friend. He's found a lot of great things. He's a lot of great things. gonna be mad at me at this, but I love you, I'll see in a couple months. Then it says it comes up the western side of the Kidron Valley, and it says, when you get to the Ophel, we know where the Ophel is, the Oflas, you drive a pin, he says, that is where the eastern closure of the temple is. That's right where the Geyone Springs are. See, to be the place of the temple, you have to have running water. It has to be live water, okay? People, scholars get it all messed up. They say, well, up in the Temple

Mount, there's all these cistern. No, that water was brought in from South Bethlehem by two tubes. I can show you where I went to South Bethlehem. We can trace the whole route because they couldn't put a toe in that water in the city of David because it was holy water. That water was used for temple sacrifice. You have to have running water to wash the priests so they can go in and do their priestly duties. It cannot be water from anything else. And there's a spring called a siphon spring.

There's only five in the world. It comes right in the city of David. The water gurgles through there. For those of you have been there, you can see. That's where they had to have the running water was right there. That's where Josephus says the Eastern Cloister is is right there. Jesus says, not one stone will be upon another. I think it was in Matthew 24.

He says, not one stone will be left on the temple. It was torn down completely. And that's what happened when Titus went in there in 7080. He destroyed the temple down to the very, there's no more stones. So the idea of a Western wall is not plausible. Well, what's on the Western Wall? Okay. Let me tell you what's found in archaeologically, you don't hear it from anybody.

Okay, but I'm in the inside circle on this. I'm in the new. So Ellie told me, he says he goes down to the lower level of the lowest stone in the Western Whaling Wall. Because if you look at the Western Whaling Wall, there's about 30 more feet of that wall that go down to bedrock. Okay? To bedrock where the first stone was laid. And he digs in there and he finds a coin and I've got to do this from my memory. I don't know if my nose, but I hope I get it right.

He finds a coin from Valerius Grattus, who is the prefect of Rome under Tiberius Caesar, which makes it about 20 AD, the dating of a coin. See, when you find a coin that has a date on it, you can date. It doesn't have the number date, but we know by the ruler at the time. That means that it's either 20 BC or 20 AD Valerius Grasper. Anyway, it's right in there. So it can't be this old, old, old, old thing going way back, you know, going by it's found so it can't be from Solomon kind of time it's it's more contemporary to

Christ's time and he said he found this this coin he goes it just blew his mind because he took a trowel and he went underneath the lowest thing and bam this little coin pops out and he said they you can date the next thing is what they've just found underneath the where you see them all praying yeah they found an odium underneath there what is an odium is a is like a little amphitheater that goes about oh 40 feet across the most. It's a little amphitheater, and it's right against the western wailing wall.

So if you drill a beer, drill bit right underneath the feet of those guys that are praying, you go now, you find an odium. Why is that important? Well, it was filled with dye. They found over 30 die. They're dice. And the soldiers were bored. They're away from home.

They have no TV, no internet. What do they do they get? Just like on battleships in World War II, they played dice and craps. They found all this dye in this dust. Why? Because the Romans, this was an amphitheater where they were gambling. They wouldn't have been able to do that if that was the temple right up against the temple. The Jews were revolted.

It was right up against the Roman forts. These guys could go outside, do their gambling, and they had it right there. This is what's right there. And right across from that, in the tunnel that goes in, where the water channel goes, they have found writings that say the 10th Roman Legion right there. And they found that coin that dates of this. All this stuff is coming. What I say about archaeology?

Up until now. Now, can the Jews rebuild their temple? They're starting to say, and I just got this last week from real high authority, that they're talking about building the temple in the city of David. And not a brick and mortar. They have a tent they can put up in a day, and they could do their temple worshiping there at the Gioen Springs. That's where Solomon was taken down by King David's mule to the Gioen Springs.

and he was anointed from the oil from the tabernacle. The Bible is telling us when Solomon was taken down by King David's mule, he was taken down there and he got the oil from the tabernacle, which means the ark was there at one time. David had his tent there. Scripture says that. So they're saying, wait a second, we could build, if it's good enough for David, it's good enough for us.

Now they can rebuild their temple, and they have to do it quickly because they have red heifers, ashes of the red heifers. They have red heifers that are now, the expiration date on these suckers are going. They can get to a certain age. They're no longer capable of being. They're not viable.

But they're not viable. So they have these red heifers. They ship over and they're going, they're getting older and older. They're not going to be building the temple on the temple mouth, the way the relationships with the Muslim Jews. So I believe and predict and keep this tape because long after I'm gone,

you're going to play it and it's going to say, they're building a tabernacle in the city of David in a tent, and they're starting temple worshiping again with the red heifers. So let me encapsulate this, Bob. So what you're saying is, is that the traditional side of the temple, the temple mount, you believe based on archaeological findings and also scripture, this to be not the temple mount, but a Roman fort for the 10th Legion, which would have been the occupying force in Jerusalem under Roman control Jerusalem.

And it was the only place where you could house that many soldiers, their gear, their horses. and then we've not found any evidence of any other fort in there any other location where these occupying forces would have been able to live, stay, be housed, garrisoned. The place that makes sense is the Temple Mount. And is that, am I correct? You're right. Okay, you talk about horses. Horses defecate.

Last I checked. I don't know if they've stopped, but I'm sure they're still doing it. That wouldn't have been loud in the Holy, precinct of the temple. People weren't allowed to go to the bathroom there. But you have all these stalls of these horse stalls up on the traditional temple mountain. They say, well, they're the stable of Solomon. What are you saying? What are you saying there? By the way, the Bible also says it's where the temple was built on the threshing floor of Ornan the Jebusite. And that's very interesting because the Bible says that's exactly where it was. Well, that was in the city of David.

That was the Jebusite fortress that David took. So the Bible is telling us, duh, the temple was built over Ornan the Jebusite on the threshing floor. That was in the city of David within the confines. With the spring. With the spring. And so it's really a no-brainer, but you see, this is where the rock and the road to truth is sometimes tradition. Jesus says over 14 times in scripture, he's talking about tradition. But he says, I'll just quote a couple of them. He says, your tradition will nullify the word of God, Mark 713. It also says, beware less anyone cheat you through philosophy. That's the love of wisdom, philosophy, Sophia, Sophia, bewareless to you through philosophy, filiosophia, empty deceit according to the traditions of man, okay, and in the scripture saying, beware of

the traditions of man, and not according to Christ. In other words, follow the word of God. And we're letting tradition guide us when Jesus says tradition will nullify the word of God. We need to avoid tradition. We need to follow what the word of God says is the final mediator and arbitrator of all this stuff. Yeah. It's interesting because you have a lot of modern themes of an individual or somebody who goes against the narrative and is sort of ousted, taken out, treated poorly, fired. You know, I mean, so many stories of this. Like, you know, the late Dr. Jeff Meldrum, who came on our show, talked about, he was, he was talking about being a professor at a college and studying these footprints and just the ridicule. And luckily he was a tenured professor,

so they couldn't fire him. But he was saying, like, man, that everyone was making fun of me. Just because I was going after the data and evidence and trying to say, this is interesting, this is an outlier. And it seems like in every single one of these circles, it takes an individual to kind of push a new idea forward, but they're always taking the brunt of, and they're always like, the outcast or the quay. But then the problem is there's some crazies too. So there's, you know, there's people that claim a lot of wild stuff. But I think that it's usually somebody that kind of starts to blow the whistle. F.F. Bruce said exactly those words. F.F. Bruce, wow, what a great scholar he was. He says, and this is true, I think, and I follow this. He says,

the cause of learning is by those scholars were willing to expose their brainways to the pitiless criticism of others. You see what was said in those words? He's saying the pitiless criticism. The internet will light up and say after this show that I'm no good, I'm an ex-cop, I'm stupid, you know, and so they'll just come after you because you'll get pitiless criticism. You have to get beyond that. And I'm at the age right now where I go, forget it. I'm going to just say what I feel. And as my brother said, they can't eat you. So just go out there and say the truth as the way you see it.

But then qualify it, that I could be wrong. But I'm giving you the best guess that I have based on the evidence I have that I have. And I'm willing to change. If you say in scripture that it says this, I'm willing to say, okay, I'll go over there. And I did that with Noah's Ark. I was a big Noah's Ark, Mount Errant guy. I climbed that mountain, I mean, spent a lot of my skins on that mountain, horrible place to go, call it Ogrey Dog Painful Mountain.

I had worst days in my life have been on that mountain over there in Turkey. But I had to change because then I started reading a scripture where it says, Genesis 11.1 or two, the descendants of Noah journey from the east, and they settled in Shinar. And that kind of like, wait a second, they would have come. Turkey is northwest of there. Now we're talking about east. So it completely refocuses. the vector on where Noah's Ark should be.

So for the temple, scripture would say it does describe that there's a spring beneath the temple. It does talk about David purchasing the threshing floor from a Jebusite, which would place that not on the temple mount. What other scriptures do you believe that point to the city of David as opposed to traditional temple mount location? Can I just clarify, Luke, that what you said about Murnan? Yeah. the guy that owned the threshing floor said it's yours yeah my you just conquered us i mean i'm who am i to say yours i'm gladly giving it but why did god tell david purchase that when you take it as a gift and we give stuff to god all the time why would he clarify and said no no no no no david

give the guy money because he wanted the deed on that thing for all eternity because when christ returns in the millennial reign the bible says he's going to sit there and separate you the wind from the chaff separating his winnowing fan. What does that mean? The winnowing fan separates two things. The husk of the wheat is light and it would blow away on the wind. That's what you do sifting. Threshing flour is you break the kernel,

you throw it up in that kind of outer husk just blows away. But the seed is heavy and it falls to the ground. So what he's saying is, in Scripture it says, the other, the husk will go away to the fire, hell, and the seed will go to the barn, the metaphor for heaven. So Jesus is going to sit there and separate believers from non-believers. Where? Right over where the throne of God was.

Because the ark, there's two things the ark had on it when the day of propitiation went, I mean in, let's say, in the Day of Atonement, you know, what was it? Yal Yom Kippur. The priest always put the blood on top of the ark and on the eastern side of the, the ark, which is where the temple faces. Why would he put blood on the ground in front of the ark and then on top of the ark? That's where God will sit. His feet will be on the ground. He will sit on the throne, his throne, which is the ark, between the two cherubim, and how does God speak to Moses in the wilderness from between the cherubim and above the ark? So all these symbols are very, very precise. Now, if we do get the place of the

temple is the right place. Let's just jump there. I'll get back to your question. But if the arch, if the temple is in the city of David, then we have to recalibrate everything, because everything occurred east of the temple. East of the temple. That's where Jesus was crucified. East of the temple. So if the temple is in the city of David, we have to look east of there. You see the photo up there? See where it says city of David? To the right of that, you'll see that's the Silwan village. That's where Christ was crucified, 600 feet across here. That's where the double bridge in the Mikva was. The big area we see that big square, rectangular thing, that is a Roman fortress. Now what is Josephus says? Josephus says south of there, 600 feet there was a bridge

going to where it says the city of David, where the VID is. That's the city of David. Then east of there was another bridge, 600 feet going to the Silwan village, and that's where Christ was crucified. Now, when was Christ crucified? He was in the six hour, which is three o'clock in the afternoon. Okay? What time did they do the sacrifices in the temple? Three o'clock in the afternoon? So the priest in the city of David would have looked across the valley and seen Jesus having a spear thrust in his side as he's dying. You know, okay, he already died. And then they put the spear and the water came out. By the way, water came out the right side. And Ezekiel talks about water coming out of the right side of the temple. Very, very symbolic. But Jesus would have been killed at the same moment

that they did sacrifice in the temple. So the priests in the temple, killing the lambs, would have looked across the valley and seeing Jesus have a spear thrust in him. And as he's killing the lamb, God is having his son die for our sins. So it's all symbolic, and it all matches up to the minute in scripture we're talking about. To the minute. And what else is, there's something in the book, too, I remember, and I wanted to speak on this, talking to Joseph. talking about looking down into the temple from the Roman fort. Right, right, right, man, you're, you know, you're, you're sharp today. That's exactly what he said.

Just today, I appreciate it, Bob. Not every day, but yeah, today we're. Wow, I'm impressed with that. So then you've got it outside of extra biblical, outside of scripture, you've got one of the greatest historians, this is this is one of the reasons we, and one of the main sources also for evidentiary stuff on Jesus is Josephus, it was a Jewish, Roman historian who wrote about all these things. He talks about, and I want you to talk about you wrote the book, but this is another piece of data. He already talked about where the eastern

part of the temple was, but what else Echephas say about the temple location, even just sort of in his observations that supports your argument for the city of David as a location of the temple and not the traditional temple mount? Well, he said a couple of things. He said it's, he said the Roman fort was the size of several cities, okay, that big platform on top of there. What it would have, was it probably here. By the way, if you pull up the video on Amazing New Discovery, I hate this title, Amazing New Discoveries by Bob Cornuke is on YouTube in the, in, in Jerusalem, just amazing new, I hate it.

The producers put that on it. Amazing new discoveries by Bob Corny. And I'll, and I'll show you. We're going to call the episode. I'm going to talk about two, two, I'm going to talk about three new discoveries that I've hardly ever talked about. Okay. Let's go, Bob.

Okay. If you let me spool out here, I'll do that. If not, if you, you know, you guys did do with big foot, maybe I'll fit right in here. Okay, now you see where the temple, you see that bridge going across in the bottom there. Okay, what did they find, where Christ was crucified? What have they found over there? Ellie found a bula. You know what a bula is?

It's a little clay stamp thing. It's like a good housekeeping seal of approval. When you take, let's see, you want to go take your lamb and you want to go to the temple and have it be sacrificed, okay? You'd have to get a pure of God's stamp that was saying before you can just take any animal. I had to be showed it to be pure. Right. It's like the organic stuff on our food. Where they find this Bula?

They found it right at the end of that bridge and the lower part of the thing right where that is there. Okay, they found the Bula right there. What does that signify? That's where they paid to get the pure of God tax, the Bula, to show that their sacrifice was pure. Where was Christ crucified at the exact same place

because he paid with his blood where people paid with money to get their pure of God tax. You get pure of God by your blood spilled. He was crucified right on that exact spot. Now, what have we found there since then? I'm going to blow your mind on this stuff. Okay, get that tape up about amazing new discoveries. On April 15th, 2015, I met with Netanyahu at a Holocaust memorial.

I was invited to go be with him. I was so excited because, wow, you know, you sit at his feet. I'm as close as you and I are while he's talking, right? I'm just right here. He spoke in Hebrew. I didn't know what he said, and I was still memorable. Okay, stop here. This is perfect.

Okay, just kind of scan through this little section right here. I'll explain what this is. If Jesus was indeed crucified, as I suspect, east of the temple, and he was crucified there, there's two things we need to hide. First, we need to find split open tombs. Because the Bible says when Jesus was crucified, the rock split and the tombs opened up. And the dead walks around. But also Eusebius, very esoteric writing in ESA, and 303 wrote that the first church,

and we're going to go back to that tomb there, which you just saw just there, that what Eusebius said was that the first church, of course the first church in Axis was in Holmes, but the first recognized church where everybody came from around the world, just taking Eosebius writing. He said, all from around the world will come there and will worship at this place. it's where Christ was crucified. So people have been trying to find this mother church, Eusebius talks about,

because he talks about it was a big place and people from around the world worshipped there. And they were only allowed to do that when the Romans left and then the Diocletian revolt, which is only about 30 years, okay, that they had the chance to worship there freely. But they did it in the cave. He called it the cave church.

I'm staying in front of this huge thing there. And the Palestinians, a friend of mine, The guy that owns all this land is a friend of mine. I've helped his family. I've supported him. He's a good guy. He's not a terrorist. He's a really great guy.

And he's troubled by what's going on over there. But he just really took a liking to me and I took a liking to him. And so he said, because you've been so kind to my family, I'm going to show you. He took me in this tomb or in this big area and we're going to walk through it. Let the camera go there. I go inside this thing and he said this had Christian symbols all over it that had been chiseled up. This is the arch to the question. choir nave. What you're looking at here is the first church in the world ever. First Christian

church. Christian church in the world. You can see where they cut. He said they carved off all the Jesus symbols on the wall. We have the places for the candles. You've got the choir loft there and everything out. This is the first recognized church. No one knows about it because I haven't really promoted it. I haven't really talked about it because I'm still trying to get, do research and go back there and do some stuff on that. Okay. So we have potentially the first church has been found. I'm there right now talking about it. But what else do we find there? If you can go to where I'm crawling around in my hands and knees in a little tomb, it's about it's after this. Okay, right here. Right here. Okay, just kind of go through the section. I don't know who's doing this, but you're phenomenal.

Okay, if you look at these tombs here, we found an inscription above one of these tombs. Now, how did I find this? If you rewind a little, I think that could be Christ's tomb, by the way. And right there, you see me crawling in that tomb? Let me tell you the story. I meet with Nanyahu. It rain the night before, cars were floating down the street, check out the weather patterns in that day, and the water had washed out an area on the side of the Kid Ron Valley where a little hole appeared that wasn't there before that we knew. So when I saw this little hole walking around out there, I said, wait a second, I want to see what's in there. And I kicked open the little caked-in limestone around it. I got in the tomb, and if you can stop on the inscription on the wall,

there's an inscription on the wall that you'll see as you scroll through this, a little, a little funky little scripture on the wall. It was of John Hercanus II, who was killed by Herod the Great. He was the Lassa Hasmonian leaders. He proves that the nation Israel was autonomous 200 years before Palestine was even mentioned by the Romans. Now you see that inscription? That was done. A peer-reviewed scholastic paper was done on that by the Hebrew University and George Washington University.

I didn't do the paper. I didn't want to write it. I didn't have the brains to write it. But they translated this and they said to me, Bob, this shows that John Hercanus was a real person in history and this is an inscription showing that this is his tomb. And Kinesad guy said this is one of the top five discoveries in all of Israel and they're still processing it. And you can still see the peer-reviewed scholastic paper on this. But this is huge. It's a protest inscription of saying, you know, John Hercanus, 99 years.

What did you do to Simon, which they killed Simon? It was a protest thing. Like, what'd you do to our guy here, her canes? Somebody had scribed this above the tomb and then left. But see, Christ was crucified, was not buried in a single tomb like everybody thinks. That's good for postcards and good Easter morning services where he's in a tomb by himself.

But when Mary and Martha went to the tomb, they used the term Theos, which comes from the Greek theater where we see, they had to remember what it was. It's like you being in a hotel, and your room number is 207 and you got it. Well, if there's no market, it's the third room to the left. That's what we have here.

We have here an inscription aboard above this, and it's facing the temple. They used to bury their elite leaders, holy leaders facing in the temple. This face is right across the Kidron Valley. So I believe this could be where Christ was actually crucified because it's the only first century tomb found east of the city of David that's been found. And so the rest are going back to Isaiah, very old over there. But this one is first century, and this is pretty amazing that we have this. So we have potentially the new church where Christ was buried.

It could have been buried here because as you go into that tomb, you see on the right-hand side of it, it's a place to sit. And we say, well, you don't find those in tombs. But the angel lord sat at the right side of the tomb. That's when they saw the angel lord in there. So if you really look at this video of us walking around in there, this tomb structure has really, and it has bones in it. That's what blows everybody away. Bones were never found in tombs over there because the crusaders took the bones, took them back and sold them as relics and reliquies and nice who grind up the powder of the bones and put them in their sword hilt or around their neck to have a, you know, a relic from a saint.

So, and they put those in churches. So this is a, these are big fine. Now here's, that's what the word says, Belt and Moos in the year of 99 hurricaneists. Would you do this to Simon? It's a protest symbol. And when I showed this to the, we had the Israeli Archaeological Authority go with me there.

And the Palestinians knew or therefore. And there was a big fight that went on. I don't know if this video shows it, but we're actually getting punched and thrown. They took my phone. They punched me. They knocked us around. And we had to leave.

And the police had to come and everything else. So they're pretty adamant about. about not let anybody see this. So the ark was there at one point? The ark was in the city of David, for sure, because the Bible says that Solomon was taken down by King David's mule to the Gion Springs, and they took a horn of oil from the tabernacle,

so we know it was there at one time. So the Jews are saying now, good enough for them, David, good enough for us. I think you're going to see the temple being rebuilt there in the form of a tabernacle. So, Bob, if you could kind of tie a bow on this, like and run down what the top points that make you to believe this is the this is the real location and the original location of the temple tied up for us and say these these are the

reasons here it's scripture it's Josephus it's it's the archaeological finds what are the what are the biggest points bullet points for you is kind of to kind of tie this up and say this is the location of the original temple well the temple we can't argue with scripture telling us where it is. We can't argue with Josephus telling us where it is. We can't argue with the evidence that tells us where it is.

We can't argue with the inscriptions over there to say this is the 10th Roman Legion where it is. I mean... Bob, can I ask one last question on the temple before we wrap? In your mind, what are the implications

moving forward in this timeline that the temple's in the wrong spot? What are the implications there? You've already talked about the fact that just by sort of what we call it happenstance, that Israel may, or the Jewish folks, the Orthodox Jewish folks there will build perhaps a tabernacle on the location of what you purport to be the actual location of the temple. What do you think the implications are moving forward, though? Like what is?

What changes based on? They're huge. And I'll tell you what it is in my humble opinion. Christ will not return until the temple is rebuilt. because the Bible talks about the Antichrist going into the temple and stopping temple sacrifices and declaring himself God. Okay? Now, we see prophecy saying in this generation when Israel returned as a nation,

I think it was 1948, correct me in that world? And so, wait a second, this generation, that's an 848, the clock is really going down. you know and if the bible's true something's got to happen there's there there's there's critical mass moment here okay so if they do rebuild the temple in the form of a as i predict a tent which was that was what was the portable temple in the wilderness in desert they wandered through the wilderness then um the antichrist will go and just to defile it and then christ will return so but we first need to have that domino of the temple falling first for these other prophetic utterances to come true.

So could I be a part of that? I shudder to think that I'm a person that could be a part of this and institute that. I don't look at myself as being that person, but everybody telling me I could have. You know, I get emails all the time saying, this is now the way it's going to go down. And so if I'm wrong, I apologize to my Lord and you in the audience. But the thing is that people defend the indefensible. They do it out of patriotic allegiance and loyalty to what they've been told, to a family tradition that has passed down. And Jesus says your traditions will nullify the Word of God.

So most scholars are not willing to go into that arena because they don't want a bloody nose. They want a job. They want to be respected. and they surround themselves with people that agree with them because they want to have their prestige, they want to be published, they want to be promoted. And so you do not have anybody really going out there and testing this stuff because scholars are usually attached to some institute which funds them, a professor, which gets funded.

It's fall of money. And all it's gotten to me is people showing up in my talks in protest. I had my Mount Sinai video a little mini bomb in our house in our mailbox out front with the video and the book in it blown up. Really? You know? And so those are the kind of subtle things. I get death struts all the time from people just saying, hey, we don't like it. We don't know this.

So people call you every horrible name in the book because people don't want that. Yeah. But my goal in law enforcement as it is an investigation is to try and find. truth, unvarnished truth. We need to strip away all those exterior trappings. It's like Moses when he was in the desert. Moses was in the desert at Mount Sinai. He was at the lowest port of his life. You know, when we see those pictures of Moses, it's Charlton Heston, arm stretched in the Red Sea parting. He's a good-looking guy, chiseled, buffed, right? Moses was over 80 years old. He was at the back side of the desert when God encountered him at the burning bush. He was tending his

father-in-law's flock. He would be called in every respected day, loser. The biggest loser, his family wasn't with him, his wife got mad at him for marrying Sappora, this Ethiopian woman. His whole life was just down to nothing. He didn't even

have his own flocks. He didn't have his sons with him. The Bible says he has at least two sons we know of. One was Gersham. And so that's when God touched this guy and told him, hey, I want you to lead my people. out of bondage. So God took this guy and touched him. Where? In the desert? You know the term

mid-bar is the desert? It comes to the verb daver, which means the desert speaks to you. If you're in a hospital bed right now, if you're with cancer, if your wife just left you, if your kids are going, you're in the desert. But that's when God can bring out the best in you because he takes you down to the bare wood. He takes off the varnish, all the trappings and the mask. It takes you down to where you really are. So that's what I try to do with archaeology. I try to take all the trappings away and get to the bare wood to where the real truth lies. And so that's why I do that, that example of Moses, who became arguably the second most incredible man in the Bible, yet he was at the lowest part of his life on the backside of the desert away from everything

when God decided, now I can use you. Now you're down to a person that I know you can be a great man because all your ego, all your aspirations, all your wealth, all your fame is. is gone. And so I'm going to use you right now. So we got to realize God can use it at any age, at any position, in any situation, and take us right down to the wood. I love it. And I think it's, I just can't help but think about recent events. And we don't really talk about a lot of this stuff on the show a lot, but I think we all feel compelled to say something. But, you know, James O'Keefe said this week, he said, like, the cost of truth is your life, anything else and you're for sale.

And Charlie Kirk was one of those guys, and he spoke the truth. He was a friend of mine, and my son works for him. And just was talking to him two days before about Oregon Ducks football. And Charlie was so excited that this year the ducks are going to be really going. I had lunch with Charlie once, and I had a Caesar. I had a salad with blue cheese dressing. I said, I want to diet, and I'm eating this salad with blue cheese dressing. He spoke for an hour on the components of blue cheese and the calorie content for an hour drove me nuts.

I wanted to eat my salad, but he knew about it. He had a mind that was like a machine, a computer, supercomputer, and he'll be sorely lost. But my son is saying now at Turning Point that there have more money coming in that they've ever seen. It's going to be a fulcrum event. You know, we've always had martyrs. We've had, if you go throughout history, from Christ to Abraham Lincoln to World War I when we have the Maine get sunk. World War II, we have Pearl Harbor as a turning point. We had 9-11 as a turning point. And now Charlie getting assassinated is a turning point. I think it's going to galvanize Christians and all believers in faith to come and rally around what is good in humanity and how we can make it better and stop this crazy even. that's out there. I call it an evil force that's doing. There's just a lot of people who are willing to speak the truth. And I think if you do, people put stuff in your mailbox and they threaten you

and eventually, ultimately, you're not, they can't buy you. And so they have to get rid of you. And I think it's just, it's on all of our hearts. It felt like, you know, it, it's in line with anybody who's trying to figure out the truth. Anyone who's trying to push it, push a different narrative, anyone who's willing to stand up to organizations, institutions, and like you said, like human tradition. I think that's an incredible thing. I felt that a lot on our show over the years. There is these human traditions that seem to be, like, get in the way of somebody being able to say, look at the evidence. I can't look at the evidence. It's right there. No, I can't. Why? Because I've been told and I have to go against my own father if I believe that, you know.

And it's cool that you change your mind. You change your mind on Noah's Arc. And I think that's this true sign of intelligence is when you can actually go one way and turn around and go back the other way. That's like real science. And we don't see that practiced a lot. We see people's paychecks or they're loyal to some system or some university. And they can't. They can't follow the data.

They can't follow the truth. And so thank you for coming on our show. Thank you for being willing to change your mind. And we want to give our listeners a lot of stuff to chew through and think about. Tell our listeners if they want to bring you to their church and speak or... Where they can find your work. Where they can find your work. I appreciate that.

I love speaking churches, love. I'm guiding several tours to Israel. But if you want me to come speak to your church, we'll do a whole day seminar just to talk. It's just contact me at base institute.org. Base like baseball, institute like institute.org. Bob at base institute.org is saying get a hold of me. Or just base institute. dot org.

Terry, is it info at basins institute.org. Info at base institute.org. And then what we've talked about today, Bob, is you have a book called Temple, which I've read and I love is why we're here, honestly. And then you find your books on Amazon or the website. Yeah, Amazon or all that.

But I have K-house, which is Chuck Mistler's. He just handles all my way. It got to be too much for my wife. So we just put it on khouse.org, just a letter K, the wordhouse.org. and you can get all my books and videos there. Thanks, Bob. Thanks for coming on and being honest and being a stickler for the truth

and being willing to push through a lot of stuff and just going places and being willing to pay the price. Who knows what could have happened. Your story could have ended a long time ago with some of the things you've been doing. So that takes a lot of guts and a lot of courage to do that. I'll stay tuned for part two. If you're listening now, we're going to cover the Ark of the Covenant,

shipwreck of Paul, and Bob Cornon. we'll return to the blurry verse. Yeah. Let's go.