Blurry Creatures - EP: 367 Healing Leaves & The Tree of Life: Uncovering Biblical Health Secrets with Dr. Josh Axe and Jordan Rubin

Episode Date: October 21, 2025

What if the cure for cancer, diabetes, and chronic disease has been hiding in Scripture all along—not as metaphor, but as literal medicine growing in your backyard? What if the Bible has laid out the best practices for our nutrition?Dr. Josh Axe (bestselling author and functional medicine practitioner) and Jordan Rubin (founder of Garden of Life, author of The Maker's Diet) join us to discuss their groundbreaking book The Biblio Diet, which synthesizes 6,000 years of biblical nutrition into practical health wisdom for modern Christians. Both men survived death-defying diagnoses—Jordan overcame terminal Crohn's disease and metastatic cancer, while Josh recovered from a spinal infection that doctors said would permanently disable him.We discuss what Solomon actually ate (spoiler: bread and red meat—things no modern diet recommends), why the food pyramid is inverted, how Big Pharma's "sorcery" (pharmakeia in Greek) has deceived nations, and why pork and shellfish aren't in God's definition of "food."But the revelation that changes everything? Ezekiel 47:12 and Revelation 22:2 both describe the Tree of Life's leaves as medicine for healing nations. Not metaphorically. Literally. Join us for a journey deep into the scriptures, offering a remarkable deep dive into ancient truths for modern bodies in need of restoration. - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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But I want the longevity of Moses and Caleb and Jacob and Joseph and Abraham. And it's possible. And I believe healing leaves this tree of life concept is. part of it and I think this message was saved for such a time as this and Josh and I sit here very blessed. If you would have told me years ago that the head of the FDA would have been in our office on Josh's podcast. This is before he was named. I wouldn't believe, believe you. If you would believe that a colleague of ours is hopefully the soon-to-be surgeon general if that ever happens, I wouldn't have believed you. Like there's a groundswell, but the church is usually late to the

game because food is their last sacred sort of indiscretion that they don't want people to take away. In fact, food has been used to draw people in to celebrate with the youth. Josh and I were helping a good friend of ours who's a pastor connected us with a very well-known youth pastor and evangelist to youth. And his comment was, I follow the typical youth pastor diet. How sad is that? Yeah, pizza and Pepsi. The history of our earth is so different from.

what we can imagine. The Smithsonian that if they found out about a large skeleton somewhere was to go get it. I'm going to assume at least one person is right, because if one person's right, it bust the paradigm.

It all goes back to the fallen chair. And the problem with the modern day church, they have a very truncated view of the supernatural. This backdrop that's just pregnant with all kinds of meaning associated with this Mount Hermon event. And This guy defects from the kingdom.

That's a big deal. Welcome to blurry creatures. We're excited today. We talk a lot about hidden history and now hidden health. Yeah. There's lots of esoteric things in the Bible. We talk about a lot of the ancient history, but there's probably more to the diet and what we eat than we think.

And you guys wrote a book called the Bibliot Diet and sort of looking at the hidden diet in the Bible. And we talk about giants, Genesis, today, gut health. We're going to add that to the list. But, you know, a lot of people struggle with health issues these days, and there's so much information out there, just like there's information on all the weird stuff we talk about. But it's good to have you guys in the studio today. Dr. Josh Axe and Jordan Rubin, join us here in the blurry basement, surrounded by junk food all over the place. We're sorry. The only thing that would survive until today is the junk food.

We got a lot preservatives here. We all ate it as kids. I just like your Bo Jackson poster. There you go. Boe-Nose Bible. Dude, we've talked about this, Jordan. I think the only thing that Nate and I have in common, I think we both had the as kids. Well, besides the fact that we like to, we talked about this pre-roll, like the, the,

the, uh, the Bay Area baseball teams. But I feel like every kid in the 80s had the, the, the Bo Jackson poster with the bat and the shoulder. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And the dream team. I had the dream team won. I had that poster too, which was like, gosh, that was the worst era to grow up. Oh, man.

Yeah. I guess Boe knows by them. And he was the, like, the quintessential human. He was like the apex. Legends. Like there was nobody faster than or more talented than Bo Jackson. Now he might be a percentage in Nephilim if you think about it. You might be.

You know, because he could, they said he could jump like over a 40 foot ditch. Supposedly he ran like a sub. He's the, it was hand time, but the legend of Bo Jackson's, he ran like a four one. One two or something. Yeah. Fastest guy to first base as a right hand. At like 225 pounds like as a, I mean. But is that how the ancient Israelites were eating the Bibli-

There were some people that were. They were all bow jacks. No, if you think about it, they're like, hey, it's, he's running it. You can tell it's so-and-so because he's so fast. You know, John apparently had wheels. He beat Peter to the grave. He made sure it was memorialized too in the gospel. I was the fastest of all disciples.

And we're talking about today. Yeah, well, gentlemen, thanks for coming in. And where do we get started? How did you start? Well, I know where we get started. You guys welcome to blurry creatures in the sense of you cannot, you cannot pass go until we ask you both. What are your thoughts on Bigfoot? We've done it through, we're almost 360 plus episodes in here.

And we pretty much ask everybody from theologians to, to anybody else's going to the show. Yeah. And how's Bigfoot's gut health guys? Well, I was going to say the Bigfoot biome, we talked about that off the air. That discovery will change digestive health forever. Honestly, I have listened to many of your programs. And I have learned over the years coming from a more conservative faith background to be very open to all kinds of things.

I don't have a lot of thoughts on Bigfoot, but I do believe there is a lot more than meets the eye to so many things that we like to put in our nice steeple and congregation and box. So it wouldn't surprise me. I am a little bit surprised that there's been less sort of concrete evidence that those type of creatures are around. But nonetheless, I am a big believer that these. spiritual realm where it meets the physical controls a lot more and is a lot more of an opposing

force than we give credit. And I talk about this quite frequently with my wife. But I'm a Jewish believer, so I have an interesting background of faith. And yeah, I think Ephesion 6 is pretty critical at part of our family dinner scripture quoting. And I wouldn't be surprised if there were things like Bigfoot out there. Yeah. You talk about it was biome. We had an interview with Ken Walker. Do you remember this one? Yeah. Yeah. He's like a world famous taxidermist, and he claims he has Bigfoot's scat.

So his turds in his freezer. No, but that's it. I mean, he's sitting on a gold money. I'm telling you, the fecal transplant therapy from Bigfoot. Oh, wow. You know what I mean? The rumor. He is, he is an apex machine.

I mean, this thing is supposedly runs up to 65 miles an hour. Can like break trees in half. Speaking of Bo Jackson. I mean, the stories that we hear is this thing is you don't want to run into him. We want to be nice to Bigfoot if you run into that thing out in the woods. But he's like, there's way more to the stories and the evidence and the DNA, the footprints. I mean, we've kind of looked at this from a thousand angles, but. And Josh, for your wife and for your mother-in-law.

Yeah, yeah. They're going to have you guys to the burglary creatures. Yeah, yeah. So, you know, to me, it sounds a lot like a nephalum. And, you know, and I love Heiser. Like, I've read a load of Heiser's books, watched, you know, 100 Heiser's videos on, on YouTube. And so, and I don't know how clear he was on exactly what he thought it was as well. But I do think that, you know, his belief, right, is that when the Nephilim died, they have,

those are demons, right? Yeah. And so, but I think that, you know, possibly, again, if I'm, in terms of what I believe, I think that's what Bigfoot could be in terms of, like a spiritual being that you're seeing in terms of like a demonic, like a Nephilim. Hybrid spirit. And my wife, we were talking about before this, she believes that. But these following angels also came down and bred not only with humans, but with animals. Okay.

And that that could be what Bigfoot is. So shout up to my wife. Listen, Genesis 6 is a little bit blurry about that. It's GMOs, guys. We're talking GMOs. And I know that most people in the organic space do not like genetically modified organisms. But there is some, I mean, it gets weird because some people say that there was giant fruit in the promise land. That's obvious.

It's not some people say that is a fact. Well, they were talking about it. carrying these grapes that were on like... Took two people on the back. So were they messing with plants, animals, humans, you know, all kinds... Some people say that post-flood giants were genetically modified human beings. And the pre-flood giants were, like, pure genetic stock of the angel human offspring. So there's all these weird theories that we kind of crack into.

Well, you know, there's in all these different civilizations, you hear about things like centuars, right? And all these other different sort of beings. And so that would, you know, make sense. Just like there's a flood narrative in all of these different ancient civilizations as well. Well, what about that movie? We were talking about the 80s. The Clash of the Titans 80s version, that was freaky, man. A lot of 80s movies were real scary.

They'd read him PG and there. Goonies. That guy was, you know, a hybrid of some kind, you know? Yeah. We all need sloth when he comes out. Just one eyes hanging down low. Exactly, man. What happened to that guy?

Yeah, but he just wants to help. He was a nice guy. He was a good hard. I think he was an actual NFL player dressed up. But we don't know. Giant type of. Maybe that's what Big one is. Brian Bosworth.

It's just a bunch of ex-NFL guys with suits on running around. They don't have anything to do, right? Could be the good theory. Just kidding. But you guys, I mean, we're here because you guys wrote a book called the Bibliodeo. What does this have in the connection to what we do? But I would say, like, it has a lot to do with what we do, right? So our show, the Genesis, if you will, of our show really is looking for better answers

in creature space and supernatural space. Yeah. In reality with the idea that that's all anchored to and found. within the scriptures right so within the bible we can find answers to expand our paradigms for what you know for understanding of reality but also some of the things that are on the edges when you guys wrote a book right here right here talking about how the bible speaks about how we should eat which is yeah is is blurry a little bit right like i don't think i think we think about when i when i was when i was talking to you guys about the show about coming on talking to you jordan um

It was interesting to me because I think the paradigms for a lot of people is the Bible has a lot of law, Levitical law, and that talks about don't eat shellfish and don't eat pork and don't eat these things. And we think about it in terms of like clean, unclean, this is the way they ate. This is the old law. We're now under the new law, the new covenant with Jesus. But you guys kind of went all the way back as we do on our show to take a look at some of those, the things the Bible says about eating and not eating. And you're bringing it forward to today.

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Live Long, Master Metabolism, Reduce Pain, Fight, Depression, and Conquer Cancer, Healing Secrets from the Bible. Yeah, it's pretty much, covering the whole gamut. Well, let me tell you how the book title came about. So I was asked to write a foreword for a prominent pastor's health and fitness book. This was 10, 15 years ago. And in the book, there was a lot of mention of the paleo diet. Now, the paleo diet has some good tenants, primarily before the agricultural revolution. In other words, there was no dairy, no grains. You ate meats, hunter-gatherer, forager, nuts, berries.

some fruits and vegetables, but it's based on hundreds of thousands or millions of years of human evolution. And I made a comment to the pastor, and I said, I love you, I have all the respect for you in the world, but I don't really like the idea of Christians going around saying, I'm following a paleo diet. I would love it if they said, I'm following a biblio diet. So that seed was planted quite some time ago. Biblio just means book. And in fact, the Bible means book. We think Paul ran around saying, don't you know what the Bible says? The Bible was called the Bible because it's the book, the good book. So my thought was, if people of faith could eat by the book, how amazing would that be? And over the course of the last 30-ish years, I've written dozens of

biblical health books. The Maker's Diet was the most well-known. It was 21 and a half years ago. But yet, because the Bible's a living book, God has revealed new revelation. to us since that time. And one of those I like to call the wisest meal on earth because everybody's wondering, what should I eat? But God says what you should eat. He talks about what a real superfood is. And there's principles embedded in Scripture,

if not outright revelation on God's answers. And one thing we're going to talk about in this program, God tells us the answer for diseases, what is a cure, what is healing, or what is medicine, twice in scripture, and for thousands of years of Judeo-Christian writings, it has been missed completely. Hidden in plain sight, including by me. When did that shift for you? 2019, God spoke to me about that, yet I've read the Bible dozens of times, if not hundreds. And I don't know how, and I don't know why, but God saves scriptures for certain times and seasons

in our lives. I could give so many examples. It's unbelievable. It's why we call it a living book and other people say it's just a book. No, it's not. It is far different. There is something so supernatural about the words on the page or I listen to the Bible app mostly now, but I can't explain how I could read and listen to something month after month, year after year, and yet God saves it in like a hidden gift. And that's what really stimulated the Bibliot Diet, other than the fact that Josh and I went through death-defying diagnoses and God, he's healed us. That's sort of what brings us together. But my vision is that people of faith follow a godly and biblical way of eating and living. And as much as we love the Maha movement and what

Secretary Kennedy is doing, great health is God's idea. And we want him to gain the glory. I love that. Because I think a lot of times on our show we sort of talk about how the narrative gets kind of changed over time. And in our lifetime, we've seen the narrative change from like, you know, fake fats and to, to, to, you know, back like we used to eat butter and that was a big and then we go to this fake butter and then we become the most unhealthy we've ever been in human history and then now we're coming back going oh that was like a sciop you know we talk about siops all the time when they're trying to cover up history and do all these things so i think it relates a lot that you know there's these narrative wars

and it seems like big tech big science all these things are bought and purchased and paid for and we talk about the smithsonian covering history in america up and it happens in the health world as well. Well, it does. I was talking to someone just yesterday and blew their mind because we as kids of the 80s used to watch television. And I can't tell you, you guys know this, how many ads for cereals we saw. And there's a major conspiracy. And it's not a conspiracy theory, but cereal and what we eat today, dried cereal and skim milk was invented to make men less manly to keep our urges down to block. testosterone because Seventh Day Adventist and Dr. Kellogg believed that men having sexual urges was bad, so let's dry and roll corn and we will keep them from, you know, wanting to reproduce, literally. And there's more to that. I mean, this is in the last 100 or so years. And yet everyone's now saying breakfast is the most important meal of the day. We need to have skim milk, which God never created to be eaten. If he wanted it, he would have had a cream separator on the

utter of a cow or goat or sheep. And then a cereal that was meant to actually cause issues. And by the way, the corn flakes that Dr. Kellogg recommended, that's way better than the cereal most people eat today. And we might find some on your shelves, guys. There's probably something really terrible here. I think in Leviticus talks about like salting your offerings and things. And then there was this war against salt. My grandpa is eating any salt. You know what I'm saying? It's like the Bible has always sort of told you the truth. Or like no fat. Like there was a whole no fat thing. The fat of a way. And the, you know, And the, fatted calf. And what the food pyramid that we all grew up in like school.

Like this is what you're supposed to eat. And it's like literally the opposite of what you want to do. But hold on, guys. Why is it a food pyramid? That should be. Oh, there we go. But I was, you know, I think sometimes, you know, we come at this and we don't see kind of like, the Bible doesn't spend a lot of time explaining certain things.

It just tells you this, that and the other. And like the Nephilim, it just drops that and keeps going. And we're like, wait, what is that? And I think modern humans to have a hard time going back and be like, I think the ancient knew a lot of what was being talked about in the Bible. So when it's mentioned, they don't have, we don't have the context that they did. So what do you think in ancient Israelite ate and how did they go about their day? Yeah, yeah. So I'll share here. You know, I think, as we've talked about, the Bible is the greatest health book ever written. I mean, there's so much information

in there on not only food, but also things like farming in agriculture. There's on what to do for mold. We were talking about mold before the show. And Leviticus goes through. And it basically says, because if you can't get rid of the mold in your tent, do this thing. And I think the third time, if you can't, you got to burn to destroy the house. And so it has so much information in there on that. In terms of the foods that are most referenced in the Bible, this might surprise some people. But if you count the mention of calves and lamb, red meat is the most referenced food in all of the Bible. And think about the American Heart Association, they'd have a heart attack if they heard this.

Right. Because, again, they said. No one has ended. Exactly. So red meat is referenced the most. Sourdough bread. Everyone's like, don't eat bread. The whole paleo movement was like the anti-bred movement.

And that's because like sourdough is fermented. That's right. It's different. Yeah. So if you're comparing, I mean, probably the two most different foods that we today compared to what Jesus ate is probably bread and dairy. I mean, you know, it's probably the biggest difference. I mean, grains then, they were ancient grains.

So they were much more nutrient dense. They then would take them off and soak them and lay them in the sun. That's sprouting. that they would then mill it, so it's just very fresh there at that time, and then they would ferment it, and it would be loaded with probiotics and enzymes. And so when you're eating it, and there's a study on this that found that people that have celiacs disease,

which means they are very intolerant to gluten, even if they eat bread that has gluten, but it's fermented, there's two studies on this, both with about 17 participants, they have zero reactions to it. And that's because the gluten is so broken down, already that your body doesn't actually have to do really any of that adjusting because that fermentation is doing that. So that's reference in the Bible. And then we see, as we mentioned, dairy is referenced constantly in the Bible. I don't know what Jordan sharing a little bit how he essentially helped,

you know, followed a biblical diet and cured Crohn's and colitis. And that was probably the number one food he ate. We talk a lot about, you know, honey is reference in the Bible and salt. Yeah. And so, so the Bible really goes through and says these are some of the most healing, like, here's what you should eat. You know the number one, the longest living profession of people who live the longest? Apparice. Beekeepers. Isn't that crazy?

Yeah. It's like there's something healthy about the bees and just being around them and getting stung. There's a lot of people doing beasting therapy. Yeah. He's got a friend Andrew East. No wonder he does it. You know, he's trying to hack the system. Yeah, he does.

Yeah, yeah, that study was amazing. Yeah, honey is like, well, you'd mention this probably the only, you know, foods that can last, you know, 30 years like you have on your shelves here. Or 10,000 years. Is this, and honey. Honey is fun. It's Bigfoot. It's 3,000 years old.

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Yeah. I mean, we've been friends for a while, but you started ancient nutrition. You've done supplement things, and you've become a big voice for this. So how do you get engaged in this as well? Because you're always, your platform, you're always talking about do these things. These are the way you should eat. This is what you should do. if you have these issues, that's who you are, what you do.

How did you get involved with the Biblio aspect of all of this? What's your journey? And I don't want to get back to because when we get to this, I want to hear your guys' stories because I know your story, Josh, because I follow that and we've known each other for quite some time. And I know a bit about Jordans, but I want to hear, you know, how you get to hear to write in this book, but also, you know, from a personal journey, how we, how we're out circle.

Yeah. Well, I actually got turned on to biblical nutrition before I met George. via Jordan via his book. So my mom had cancer. This was back, her second time. She was diagnosed with cancer second time. The first time she went through all the conventional medical treatments, had chemo, mastectomy. And medical system basically failed. She was diagnosed as being cancer-free, but my mom was so sick afterwards with chronic fatigue, hypothyroidism, chronic constipation. She was just very, very sick. And then she was diagnosed with cancer. Again, this was in 2006. and I was doing all this research to help my mom heal from cancer.

And one of the books I came across was The Maker's Diet, which Jordan had written, read this book, devoured this book, and it was also looking at all these other things. And basically, I put a diet together for her to heal, cure cancer. That was a combination of a lot of the things Jordan wrote about in the Maker's Diet, along with some other things, some herbals I learned about some things like Chinese medicine and some other functional medicine things, but put together, program for her, and she was able to fully reverse and heal her cancer. And now she's in her mid-70s in the best shape of her life. So really, I got turned on to biblical nutrition by reading one of

Jordan's books. Then we got introduced, and he was kind enough to mentor me in the space when I was writing my first book. And then over time, I just, you know, from reading that, I just really, every time I read the Bible, and even more so the past couple years, just sort of having a magnifying glass and saying, what does the Bible say about health and nutrition? And, and, And it's amazing. If people do that, I just encourage everybody to do that. Like, I mean, really from Genesis to Revelation, the amount of references to health and food, you know, two-thirds of Jesus' parables are food and agriculturally related.

You know, it said, Jesus, there's somebody tracked this, how much you walk today. On average, 10 miles, but some days they mapped it. There was this historian said a lot of times when he was going city to city, he'd walk a marathon in a day. So all that being said. He's getting his 10,000 steps in that's right. best, but he carried a lot of weight on the back. He's not rucking. Yeah, there you go.

Exactly. He carried the weight of the world, though. Yeah. So I really got involved with this project. One, Jordan asked me to write it. He told me he was writing it. He invited me into the project. But him and I have been doing a lot together for the last 10 years in natural medicine and

supplement companies. So 17 years, buddy. Who's counting? That's like when you forget an anniversary, you know what I mean? Do you feel like a lot of what you find in the health? system is that well if it shows that the Bible is true then we kind of have to move away from that there seems to be more the Bible is it's always been this ancient truth right and and modern people are like oh man the Bible's true again the Bible's true again it seems like the system doesn't like that

and so it's going to kind of manufacture and again I it's so amazing I mentioned the Bible being a living book there's a couple revelations or more in the biblio diet that I didn't write about or didn't know about five years ago, since I wrote the Bibliot Diet with Josh, there's more that I've learned. I was listening to probably one of my favorite passages in scripture, which doesn't get enough airtime. It's Job 29 and 30. It is by far the longest conversation that Father God has with any human being. It's amazing. And God talks about, did you set the Pleiades here and the stars in the sky? And do you store up the thunder? I get chills every time I talk about it. When Job was talking to God in Job 29, he said, when I was in my prime, now this is a guy who was called the, pretty much

the most famous and godly person in the east was Job. He said, when I was in my prime, the streets flowed with cream and the rocks poured out olive oil. Wow. And I'm thinking to myself, I want cream and olive oil in my diet every day, which it is. But people might think, all that's allegorical, but why would you describe the prime of your life and use cream and olive oil? Meanwhile, people said fat is bad. We need to be oil-free, fat-free, but certainly dairy fat is bad because it's saturated. But yet, we don't understand that people use terminology like the cream of the crop or the cream always rises to the top. There's a reason that we do this. And so for me, I read something like that, and I say, this is important.

So my family, every night, we do an olive oil toast, a shot of olive oil between a tablespoon and an ounce, and I get the highest quality, highest polyphenol olive oil. And we quote, Acts 1-8 when we drink it because the oil represents the Holy Spirit. So we'll say, and we will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes upon us, and we will be your witnesses, depending on which we live between Alabama and Tennessee. In Birmingham, Alabama, Nashville, Tennessee, and to all the ends of the earth. Then we drank and my kids are like, uh, because the olive oil has that throat tingle. Yeah. And that's, but that's what in Greece, they consider high polyphenolic olive oil a medicine. Yeah. So when I was in Greece at an olive grove last year, I was really

excited because I learned more about something that the Bible already shares. So olive oil is pouring from the rock. Cream is flowing through the streets, which means it's accessible. Why don't we not think that should be celebrated and consumed because there's so many nutrients in olive oil and cream. It's just one example. And goat's milk too, particularly is like the standout one. Yep. Right? Because it's easy digestible. Do you feel like one thing we talk a lot about is how the knowledge got to people? So like, you know, these fallen angels gave human sort of this window into things they should know about. Do you believe God gave this specific diet and these laws of how to eat directly to the people?

100%. 100%. And I'm going to share this because I can't stop thinking about it. I was on my farm in Tennessee. Josh and I have a farm in Tennessee and one in Missouri where we practice regenerative farming. So we have done a lot. It's been more than 10 years, buddy. It's a lot in 17 years.

But I was on the farm and our farm director, Todd and I were walking. And I just said, boy, would it be amazing if God just told us exactly what to eat? And then I think, wait a minute. He did in First Kings, chapter 4 versus 20. 22 to 23, King Solomon, who was called the wisest man on earth, he was the richest man on earth, and he was the only king that had decades of peace. So think about a guy who had all the wisdom in science, animals, plants, and physiology and anatomy. All the kings of the earth sat with him. He had all the money in the world. It would be almost incalculable how much money Solomon has in

today's day and think about what gold and silver is doing in the time of this taping and solomon had so much of that silver was treated as like nothing he had so much of it so wouldn't he choose to eat what was the healthiest and most delicious if he wasn't in any wars he had all the money and all the wisdom in the world so what did solomon eat the first thing it says is he ate flour and meal which was made into bread and then it talked about cattle stall fed cattle grass-fed cattle, 100 sheep and goats, deer robucks and choice foul. So he ate bread, he ate red meat and lots of it from three different species at least, actually five, if you count deer and roebuck, and he ate poultry. There's no diet in the world today that says you can eat

bread and meat, and many say you shouldn't eat either. Bread's going to kill you, meat's going to kill you. I'm going with Solomon. So to answer your question, Solomon had one request of God that God granted in a dream. And he said, I want a wise and understanding heart. And God granted him this ask. And he was the wisest man. Everybody was marveling at his wisdom. And this is what he chose to eat.

How could we in our scientific wisdom ignore this? It can't be ignored. Now, what kind of meat and what kind of bread? They didn't have white bread because the whiter the bread, the sooner you're dead. Sorry if you've got Wonderbread sitting here on the set. No, we don't. But, uh, draw the line somewhere. Yeah, I see the Pillsbury dough boy back there.

So he might have, you, this is like, where's Waldo? That's the st, puff marshmallow. Yeah, I know. So. But marshmallows is probably just as bad. It's not a food. Those are biblical. So what I'm saying, though, is guys, how do you, how do you not eat that?

And better yet, how do I write a book called the Maker's Diet and leave that out? It just blows my mind. I've never heard anyone talk about the wisest meal on earth. I defy any Christian who says the Bible is the word of God to tell me bread and meat or bad. How can you? God created bread and meat and he told the wisest man on earth. And it's now in canonical scripture that we should eat. Let me ask the caveat then because Josh has just talked about the difference in bread then verse now.

So if we're to take this application, just this little, this microapplication here about what Solomon eats. And we apply it today. what was you to people listening and to us this is a Bose moment you've been there small talks going nowhere but then the Bose speaker kicks in music you can feel fills the room and no more chat with janny from accounts your life deserves music your music deserves Bose find your perfect product at bows.com yeah how do we apply that I mean because you got obviously want to know what we where where are the meats coming from and how it's been raised and all that kind of stuff but also for to eat bread, how do we best choose based upon what you call what graces meals?

Yeah, yeah, I can sure some of that and Jordan can jump in two. So I would say one, just as Christians, one thing that's so important, and the Bible talks about this, the book of Colossian specifically gets into this. We are supposed to be in the world, but not of the world. We're supposed to be separate. We're supposed to be different. And so I think just keeping that in mind because a lot of times, I mean, listen, it is the most easy, convenient thing to stop in Mickey D's or to door dash something to your house.

or to just buy processed food for your kids and not have to make anything. I mean, that's the easiest thing to do. But it's definitely not the healthiest thing to do. It's probably not the best thing even to do relationally, even pace of life. And so I would say really saying, what are our priorities here? And, you know, I used to take care of a lot of, and I had a brick and mortar practice functional medicine clinic. I had so many pastors and Christian artists and people coming into the practice.

And I would ask some of them sometimes, hey, why do you come in here? And I had one pastor in particular. He was in his 70s. His name was Pastor John Miller. And he was my best patient. I came to every last thing I did. And I said, like, anytime I was teaching a lecture anywhere, and I said, hey, why do you do this? He said, you know, I want to be preaching the gospel when I'm 95 years old in, you know, in the Middle East.

And I'm like, amazing. So all that being said, I think having are a sound mind, having priorities straight. That's really first because, listen, it's always going to be easier to do fast food or processed foods. And it is make your own sourdough bread at home. But I would say, one, you can make your own at home. That's an option. You can buy Eincorn weed is probably the easiest thing to do as my wife Chelsea does it. She got turned on it because a friend of ours, Carrie Underwood.

You guys know, she does it. Einhorn. Eincorn is an ancient. It is an ancient. It is an ancient. It is an ancient. It is an ancient. It is.

Eindhorn, not Einhorn, right? Enhorn is finkel. Finkel. Yeah. We're going to get in a. What do you know about the Ray Finkel? Okay. So, so, so yeah.

So, yeah. So I think that. But here's the other thing. Like we go to Sprouts or Whole Foods Market at our favorite health food store, and they've got a great brand. Who does the sourdough spell? Berlin Bakery does one.

There's several. And there's ranges. Like in the Bibliot Diet, we say, here's the best dairy, here's the best beef. Yeah. But you can go to Shake Shack and get one of those and get real beef and a gluten-free bun. Like it is not impossible today.

If we were talking 25 years ago when I started in this industry or was just getting started, I would say, eat this food, goat milk yogurt, and you have to order it from a toll-free number from some little farm in Austin, Texas. The food we're talking about, even grass-fed organic meat is available at Costco. It's available at Walmart. It's available at Aldi. It's available at all foods and sprouts and Publix where we are here in Tennessee. Back in the 80s, Albertsons.

Safeway, baby. The meat. I thought it was. Pigly-wigly. Wow. That's Midwest right there. Win Dixie, the meat people, right? But anyway.

We grew up with like, yeah, safe way railings. I grew up in Marietta, Georgia Pigley was there, man. I just can't step foot in there. Even poor people can eat healthy. Yeah, and speaking of poor people, wouldn't that restaurant pofokes? I don't know if you guys remember that one. But anyway, my point is, this is not dogmatic saying you have to make whole grain sour dough bread.

But at the same time, if you go to the Franklin Factory Farmers Market every Saturday where we are, they have it. My daughter just brought some back this week. We make it. Sometimes we buy it. And there are breads that are healthy-ish or very healthy pretty much everywhere you shop. And as long as you're getting real meat, whether it's lamb, goats not as popular here in America, beef, bison. It's still real food.

Now, is the cow raised perfectly all the time? No. Is it processed perfectly? No. But I like single ingredient foods. Think of this. Apple, ingredient, apple, beef, ingredient, beef. When you get beyond a certain number of ingredients, you usually lose.

Yeah. And I don't want anyone today to say, I can't do this because you can get the foods in the Biblio Diet on Amazon, at Publix, at Kroger, everywhere we talked about, I haven't checked Pigley-Wiggly, but I will, you know, let's make sure that the pig has healthy foods. Now, we don't believe in eating pigs, so they might have to change their name. Why is that? I like because a lot of theories are the pig doesn't detox very well. It's not even really a theory.

It doesn't. I mean, they're digest. They are stores of toxins. And the Bible even references them like that. They're the bottom feeders. They're the scavengers. I'll tell a good story. I had a relative of mine who's a big hunter, and he went out and killed wild boar.

So this is wild boar, okay, in Florida. And he ate it, he kept eating it every day. And then I was living with him the time. He got these yellow lesions. all over his back. And I'm like, hey, what is that? He's like, I don't know. I'm like, you've got a parasite.

And so, I mean, and the medical literature will show you this today. The number one food-borne source of parasites is pigs, by far, trigonoma. That is by far the number one. So pork, bad. But shellfish not far behind it. And shrimp is the next closest.

Yeah, so think of it this way, guys. Again, we love beef bacon. It's real bacon. They're having a whole food. It's not real bacon. I'll admit it. It's from the thigh, but beef bacon comes from the belly. What about turkey bacon? It's just not that. He just doesn't taste as good as beef bacon. Turkey bacon is whack. It doesn't taste real. No, no, beef bacon looks like bacon, tastes like bacon. But Nate, you made a point earlier. The Bible just says things without context.

Yeah. If you wonder why God told Noah to take seven pairs of clean animals and one pair of unclean, he was going to repopulate the earth. and he was going to feed people, why only one pair of the unclean? Why were they needed at all to clean up waste to detoxify the environment? When you measure a waterway for toxicity, they measure muscles and scallops because they harbor toxicity. People say, oh, but oysters are a great source of minerals. They're a great source of metals because they store heavy metals. Zinc happens to be one of them.

And you might say, well, why does everybody celebrate bacon? pork, shellfish, because we always tend to celebrate the things against God. Think about it in finance, in marriage, and raising kids. Everybody argues with marriage between a man and a woman, that's outdated. Saving more than you spend, that's outdated and ridiculous. Giving kids rules is ridiculous. You should let them do whatever they want. Eating whatever you want is ridiculous.

In fact, people always say to me, I don't want to go on a diet. And I said, you're already on a diet. Yours just sucks. I mean, everybody, you don't eat foods to people eat. They don't eat 29,000 items. They eat the same stuff. So walk us through, not eat, so pork obviously is out, right? Yeah.

Shellfish. What else is the Bible say that we shouldn't eat? I do want to say it's because some Christians are going to say, well, I thought with the New Testament, this is now okay to eat. Listen, it's, you can eat it. It's not maybe a sin in the same way as it was before, but it's not maybe a sin in the same way as it was before, but it doesn't mean it's healthy. Like God, God just wasn't like in the Old Testament. Well, I'm just, just for, just for the heck of it, I'm going to choose some foods to tell you not to eat, some foods eat. No, he's trying to protect us. He's trying to allow the Israelites to be the

healthiest, to be the bright shining star of the universe, the city on a hill. And, and so, that's the thing to know is you can eat pork. Sure. But it's going to mess with you. It's not healthy. Yeah. And people used to say this, that you, can I eat, they'd ask, can I eat pork and shellfish and still get to heaven. And I would say yes, and you'll probably get there a lot sooner. I mean, these, and so. So what else?

What else do we not eat? So is Solomon fermenting his bread? Not personally, I don't believe. But listen, somebody is. He had a thousand women in his life. I went back and looked at this throughout history to look at, okay, how did they prepare bread? How much of it was, it was all sourdough or sprouted.

I mean, that's just the way. I mean, they cultured almost everything because it gave it a longer shelf life oftentimes, had good bacteria protected them. So the majority of time, it would have been, it would have been sourdough bread. It would have been ancient grains. In there without refrigeration, right? So the way to maintain is to ferment.

Think about this, the bread they ate wasn't that sliced squares. When Satan tempted Jesus and said, command these stones to become bread, he did it because the bread looked like a stone. You know, if you go to Europe, you get these bowls, they call them, B-O-U-L-E-S. But also, why do people say, and you've probably heard this, I went to Europe and I ate pasta and bread the whole time,

and I'm fine. And I come back here and it's bombing my gut. There's so many things wrong with grains that you get at the conventional grocery store without reading the label. But there now are so many good sources of bread. Sometimes in the Bible and in history, people did things out of necessity, right? The necessity is the mother of invention. And now we're marveling at it.

like, oh my gosh, sourdough is so cool. Sourdough was just bread. It was just bread. They took a while to make it. Yeasts from the air would culture it. And then previous to that on the threshing floor, even if you think of the Boaz and Ruth's story, they laid on the threshing floor where the grain sat out.

The dew and the moisture ripened the grain. So today we do everything fast. Well, I don't think a lot of people know that like fermentation is a preserving system. Just like mythology preserved these ancient stories. Transport your senses with Sol de Janado's limited edition perfume mist collection. At Sephora, spritz on lush notes of rainforest orchid and crisp sea breeze with hafresco paraizo. Embrace a floral and fruity scent inspired by Rio's nude beach with cheeky bikini. Or capture sun-kissed bliss with limonada gelada, where zesty Brazilian lemonade accord meets coconut milk and golden brown sugar.

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Is that right? So I know Luke had a question here on, like, what should we stay away from? Yes. We talked about pork and shellfish biblically. Here's the thing. I mean, part of Jordan and I have posed this question before, if Moses was here now or Jesus, like saying, hey, you know, because eat this, not that. And I think there's a level of processing when you process something to the point.

We tend to, today we label it alter processed food to where, like you could take almonds and turn them into almond butter. There's a level of processing that's saying there. Typically there's two or three ingredients. You have almonds, maybe almond oil and salt, something like that. That minor processing typically doesn't change the food, much though it's still not quite as healthy for some people as just eating the whole food. It's not much of a change. Ultra processed foods is like high-frocess foods. We take corn syrup. We take corn, which you're supposed to eat as a whole grain. It's got fiber. It's got vitamins. It's got nutrients. Or apples. And you take apples. All of those things, you pasteurize it, so you kill off all the enzymes. You heat it. You strip it of all its fiber. You also kill a lot of the nutrients. So basically you have sugar water. That's an ultra-process food. So the biggest thing people need to stay away from today is ultra-processed foods, especially in the form of sugar and refined carbs, like the white bread, a lot of the white products.

After that seed oils, you know, people have called them like the seven deadly, you know, seeds. Now I think there's eight. But all that being said, there's these ultra-processed oils where they are changed to cause just a lot of inflammation of either. And a lot of them are genetically modified. Yeah. Which is a whole other kind of discussion there. But those are probably the two biggest defenders along with just additives, things that are in food that aren't even food at all, like, food dyes and a lot of these chemicals and and thickeners and additives. But I would say those are

maybe the biggest categories. We don't like artificial sweeteners. The whole diet sweetener or diet soda deal was a scam. Use honey. Yeah. Diet sweeteners contain addictive compounds. They don't make you thin. They don't help your blood sugar. And a whole generation was lied to you. Oh, I know. And when I say a whole generation, my great aunt used to put sweet and low on strawberries, you know. And then I know people that would drink 18 Diet Cokes a day because the word diets on there. Think about the brainwashing that is. And I know I'm teasing you about your set, but you look at Doritos. You won't be able to recognize a single ingredient.

If you've seen the cartoon movie Over the Hedge, I've got older kids now, but they explain what's in a Dorito. They don't call it a Dorito, but, and a good dose of D.HT, bingo, the chip, you know, and then they open it up and these animals are like, oh my gosh. it basically shows us that ultra-processed food is addictive and it makes you not want to eat what you naturally should eat. Why eat bark when you can eat an ultra-processed food? So we also don't like Josh mentioned this. They call them seed oils today, but when you look on labels, especially processed foods, they will say hydrogenated or partially hydrogenated oils. This would be in muffins, crackers, cookies. And they're trying to change the verbiage of that.

And they also try to hide now sugar because you could read an ingredient label and it'll have four or five different words that all means sugar because they don't want sugar to be the number one ingredient. They want to hide it. So it's like dextrose and it's cane sugar and then it's high fructose corn syrup and it's just corn syrup and it's fructose. And those are six or seven ingredients when you add them up. They are bad.

Here's the good news for those of us who are young and relatively healthy. they're going to change the food pyramid. If this administration stays in, they're going to flip it. You're going to see protein daily values double. You're going to see non-essential nutrients like creatine and carnitine and polyphenols be called essential. And I say good news for us. The bad news is for all of our loved ones who grew up in areas where I just believe what my doctor says. My wife's family comes from eastern Kentucky.

They were the slowest to adopt any kind of healthy item at all. We live here in the Franklin, Tennessee area, where we're blessed that there's a lot of awakening to health and nutrition. But a lot of those rural areas, they eat what they've been taught to eat. And we've seen people die at astronomical rates of cancer, heart disease, struggle with diabetes. And the people who eat out of convenience the most are the sickest. And it's just unfair to see change happen when people have already died due to lack of knowledge, Josea 4-6. But what we love about the Bibliot Diet, even though there's new revelation from the same Bible,

God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. And there's a reason for all of these issues. You mentioned pork and shellfish. Two verses people argue, they talk about Peter's dream and axe, where the sheets came down and God said, go eat unclean. animals, which really was about him fellowshiping with Gentiles. It was in a different context. And then there's a scripture where Jesus was walking with his disciples and they picked or plucked heads of grain and ate them. And then the Pharisees said, why don't your disciples wash before they eat

according to our tradition? And he said, what goes into a man's mouth does not make him unclean. What comes out of a man's mouth talks about all the sins that you can speak. And then there's something at the end that was added called, thus he declared all foods clean. That's problematic for two reasons. Number one, God's definition of a food does not include pork and shellfish. The context was he was eating a food grain and they didn't ceremonially wash their hand.

So now people jump to pork and shellfish are fine. Here's what I'll say to somebody listening. If you're dealing with an unexplained illness, you all talk about unexplained phenomenon. Josh and I deal with unexplained illness. day in and day out with friends, clients, patients, and they don't know why they're sick. And it's a mystery. So if you're dealing with cancer, heart disease, something that's not reversible, maybe just stop eating pork and shellfish. And instead of fighting against it, of course, but I'm saying people don't have a theological argument against seed oils,

but just give it a try. I read a book called God's Key to Health and Happiness. A pastor wrote it I think over 50 years ago, it's either out of print or hard to find. I read it when I was ill with Crohn's disease, and it was one of the three books I read that changed my mindset, renewed my mind. This pastor was dying of stomach cancer, and he was holding his Bible, and he was yelling at God, God, I have served you my whole life. Why am I dying? And he said, you haven't listened to my word. And he looked and found Leviticus 11, Deuteronomy 14, stopped eating pork and shellfish was cured and then went around studying why these animals are considered unclean why they store toxins why God created them and it was an amazing revelation

and that that's just part of what we share in the biblio diet but that one decision could have a huge impact on somebody and what are you going to miss bacon you know what pork and big shellfish what I love mad with this episode what I love is like It makes me think a lot about like, you know, everyone makes that joke, like, how do you know this person's vegan? They'll tell you they're vegan. You know what I mean? Yeah. But if the wind blows fast, they fall over.

But it's like, it feels sometimes like that becomes a cult. Like I'm a vegetarian. It's like, but Solomon's eating the vegetarian animals. You know, he's getting the veggies. I only eat vegans. It's a shirt that should be a good one. But the thing about it is you kind of need God to tell you because even in the South there's like that, that Polk salad, you know, and they have to do all this crazy stuff to. to make it edible.

You don't have to like boil it three times. I don't know, some of Southerners can check, check me on that. But even like something that you're 100% right. Okay. Polkweed is, we're farming. It's a beautiful berry that's a major noxas weed and poke salad is a thing. But even like spinach, they say you're supposed to, you're supposed to cook it for like a short time to get the benefits from.

And if not, you know, there's the lectins and some of these plants. And so they're like, you can't just go omit to eat whole foods and go pick anything off the bushes and eat it because, half of the plants are toxic, which is, so it makes it difficult. You need somebody, some higher power to tell you this is what you should eat. You know what I'm saying? I'm going with this. Like, yeah.

And it's hard to know. Well, and one thing I think Jordan and I are very aware of is that, you know, there are some people with certain conditions where we need to wean down what they're eating and they need to eat something very specific. I mean, that's part of our background is personalized medicine. And, you know, Jordan who had IBS and IBD and inflammatory bowel. disease, you know, when he was sick, it's like there's a very specific diet you want to follow versus if you have cancer, there's a different type of diet that tends to be ideal for that person. And everybody's unique. Everybody has unique constitution. And that's one of the things, too, I think that's pretty amazing is that we're able to tell today in the Western medicine, you can do

certain types of more advanced blood work and tell a lot from a patient. Of course, you can tell a lot from a history. But also, there are ancient forms of medicine that I've spent a lot of time studying and Jordan as well, like Chinese medicine and I areveda, where I can look at somebody's tongue or feel their pulse and know a lot about exactly what's going on in their body and what herbs, what foods, exactly what they should be eating. This is interesting too, because I think this is maybe a little blurry. But I was talking to a friend of mine who's a rabbi and he's an in a Chinese medicine doc. And we were talking, we talk every time we get together. Is Gil. It's Gil. And Gilbanami. And so he actually just became a rabbi here this last year.

I know one Jewish. Yeah, he's an acupuncture. So I was talking to him, and we were talking about Chinese medicine and Iervate. And he uses a lot of sort of biblical ideas in the way he treats patients. And he said, hey, did you know that we were talking about verses in, and I believe it was Genesis. And he says when it says, and Abraham sent his wife Qatar East with gifts, he said, all of the rabbis believe and teach that those gifts were Chinese medicine and Ayurvedic medicine. They were those using herbs for medicine. were those gifts. And then Jordan was in Israel, and you had somebody say something similar to you when you were studying cannabis, CBD in Israel.

Yep. Yeah, we met the father of cannabis in Israel before he passed away at Hebrew University. Yeah. But not only that, we were in Israel in 2020 going to all the different farms looking for fruit trees and leaves, which is, I would say, the number one revelation in the Bibliot Diet. Let's go into that. Let's go do that. I also would like to circle back to your guys' stories as well because I know that you've been, you guys have both been through some crazy health stuff. We should probably share that. I'll start.

Yeah. And I'll let Josh. It gets a little blurry. Like you guys have some. So I overcame Crohn's disease and colitis. I was down to 104 pounds. I'm six feet tall when I was a teenager. And God healed me through following a biblical diet.

And what I was eating then was grass-fed meat, raw fermented dairy, airloom sourdough bread, pasture raised eggs, some raw juices, etc. And I had already followed 69 medical experts advice. And I'm talking about conventional alternative. It was unbelievable. The 70th person I talked to told me if I followed a diet based on the Bible, I could be well. So I overcame that.

And once I did, I was able to share the message one person at a time of God's healing. God told me when I was sick, hey, if you will, I said to God, if you'll heal me, and I can help one person overcome disease or avoid it, then this living hell will all be worth it. And I've got a before picture somewhere online. If you look up my name, there's two Jordan Rubins. One's a science fiction horror films writer. My kids call him the bad Jordan Rubin and his kids call me the weird Jordan Rubin. So we kind of have this thing. But so you guys pals just based on No, we're not passed. But so I was healed of that.

And in 2008, due to a surgery I didn't receive as a kid, I was diagnosed with metastatic cancer. I thought it was a hernia. And I was told I had a 100% chance of dying if I didn't undergo chemotherapy, surgery, and then chemo again. And 100% chance of dying in 90 days. God healed me of that in 40 days. And you got to share what happened, though. when you were in the doctor's office. Okay.

Yeah, I don't want to skimp too many of the good things. So I believe I'm a very sort of supernatural oriented person, but I'm also very word-based. So I was in the doctor's office, and I had an exploratory surgery, which I thought was to repair an inguinal or sports hernia, comes out. I have cancer. Then he says, we need to get more test done. So CT scan, we're going to tell you if it's metastatic. And so I'm sitting in an oncology office.

What does that mean for this? spreads throughout the body. Yeah, so either they got it all in surgery or it's metastatic, the cancer is spread. So I'm in the office with my wife, and the doctor comes in with a stack of papers and drops them, and he says there's more to discuss, you know, not like clean bill of health. And then he left the room, and I'm thinking there's no way he's going to talk about anything positive. My first inclination, thank God, I told Nikki, guard the door. and I'm in an oncologist office in South Florida,

and I got on my hands and knees and I put my face on the ground, literally. And I quoted Job chapter 1 verse 21. And this is something I've quoted about eight times in my life at that time when I get punched in the stomach, like breathless, nothing I can do impossible circumstances. And I quoted, naked I came into this earth and naked I shall return.

I had clothes on, by the way. I wasn't like, I was just face down. You didn't tear your clothes like David. the Lord who gives and the Lord who takes away, blessed be the name of the Lord. And the doctor walked back in and then he gave me that news. You have 100% chance of dying in 90 days years ago before medical modern treatments, everybody died with this type of cancer. I felt like because I set the stage by showing God that he's in charge and I'm not like sort of the weirdest, weakest point. If you try this, it's one thing to get on your knees and pray, putting your face on somebody's carpet in an office, wondering if they're going to walk in.

And I feel like that set the stage for God to transform my life, just like he did with Job. When Job did that, he lost his wealth, his kids, and his health. But God gave him everything back double. Now, I can't reconcile losing the kids and then getting new kids. That's not, you know, it's still something there. Right. But that principle is powerful and it's submission and it's giving God room to work. So when the doctor said to me, you have 100% chance to die, which is crazy.

I'm like, could I get 97? Like, you know, give me a break here. I knew it was a testimony in the making. So I am here telling you that God healed me 40 days later. I was told I had to go to the number one physician and specialist in that type of cancer, which I begrudgingly did. It was clear as day. I shouldn't follow that treatment.

the guy was like the undertaker speaking curses over my life, and God ultimately healed me in 2008. And really for the first time, 17 years later, I'm sharing my cancer story, but not only mine, God gave me a vision and a word for healing people with cancer. And I tell a story of a young man who was healed. It's all let Josh talk about his near-death experience, which was more recent than mine,

because this gives us a pletive. platform to say if you are sick, if you are hopeless, if you are suffering, there's answers for you in the Bible and the Bibliot Diet synthesizes it. We didn't create anything here, guys. We are distilling and synthesizing and taking a megaphone to what God's healing secrets are there. So they're not hidden anymore. That's amazing. Yeah. Yeah, I had, this is a little over three years ago, but my wife and I, we had gone down to, we were in Puerto Rico at the time. And, And actually, I was with your brother. Actually, this is the story. I was at your house talking with this one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So your brother Jordan. And, but I, I had 10 years prior,

was lifting weights. I was doing stuff I shouldn't. Just too much crossfit. Ended up herniating two discs in my low back. And I had tried everything for two years. And I just didn't really feel like it was moving the needle. And then I got turned on to something called stem cell therapy. I went and got my own cells. They pulled from your bone marrow, re-injected in the area. And it was like, wow, this is amazing. Like, I probably got 70% better. And then got it done one more time. And then I was like 95% better. And I was able to run and swim and lift weights and I felt pretty good. But I just had this little nagging issue left. And I thought, I'm going to go get stem cell done one more time. And I should be just back to 100%. So I went in,

got it done. And then afterwards, I just wasn't feeling right. And then afterwards, I got home. We were in Puerto Rico. I kept feeling worse and worse and worse. And the pain just became crippling, had to wear a back brace. Finally, one morning I woke up and I could not walk. I couldn't move. I mean, the pain was unbearable. And we called an ambulance, came and picked me up, brought me to get an MRI. I get the report back.

It says I have an infection in my disc, in my entire L5 vertebra, and then an abscess by my spinal cord of the infection. I had to get on a medical flight to Florida, met with an infectious disease. doctor and here's what he told me he said Josh listen this could kill you he said most likely you're going to be permanently disabled from this he said he'll have to fuse your spine probably put rods in and he said your best case scenario is you're going to have chronic pain the rest of your life and you'll be the first person to know when bad weather passes through I don't know why he told me on those details I mean sometimes like the bedside manner of these doctors is so terrible

become a meteorologist you know right you're going to be like old yeah the old grandpa like here comes that star that's right and so but but I had felt a There's about 24 to 48 hours where I felt like my life was over because I'd been this voice and health and wellness for so long. And I'd been just a couple months before taking my two-year-old daughter thrown her, you know, five, 10 feet and they were in the pool, being really active and just this sense of like regret of why did I do this? Like I just in this sense.

And I'd never felt in my life before. Even when my mom had cancer, I'd never felt despair hopelessness before. And I just spent that time. And I just, I just went into just, just. prayer. And I just felt like God said to me, you're going to be okay. Walk with me. And it was one of the it was probably the most supernatural experience or one of that I've ever had to where I really just felt a sense of like this sort of like supernatural euphoric of like walking with God. And what I saw and it actually took me about 24 hours because before like I felt him nudged me and say no, you're trying to walk in

front of me. No, walk with me. And I kind of had this this vision picture of like when I said, okay, walk with me, okay, of going all the way back to the Garden of Eden and him walking with Adam and Eve and walking with me. And then I had these sort of visions of just thinking about his faithfulness throughout the Bible and then walking with him all the way back through just how he had just, you know, shepherded my life, everything from healing my mom from cancer and protecting me and working things out for my good. And so for me, it was such an amazing experience to just have, like, walk with God through that. And so that, after that, 48 hours of just feeling absolutely hopeless, I just felt this sense of just absolute peace

and calmness and absolute hope of knowing that God was going to do a miracle in my health and life. And it's always different, like, you know, coaching my mom or thousands of patients on helping them health. But when it's you, somehow it's always more challenging and difficult. Somewhere it's, when it's yours, it's a little different, right? Yeah, it is. It is. You carry that. It's even harder to speak into. And so for me, now here's the crazy part, It took me 10 months before I walked on my own. Like I couldn't walk. Like I was in bed, could not move at all.

And I went and I did everything possible too. Like I'd call Jordan, a friend of ours gazegoli. We put together a very intense plan of what I was eating. Basically, I was eating like pomegranates and berries and wild caught salmon and some grass fed beef, a very specific diet. And I just did everything I possibly could to heal. I was getting in a hyperbaric chamber every day regularly, red light therapy, just a number things. And then prayer. I had the most amazing people praying for me. My father-in-law, Joel was waiting at me hand and foot my wife, John Bevere, Lisa Bevere, Bill Johnson,

Heidi Baker. Like, people just constantly just praying over me, Jordan praying for me, many others. And after 10 months, I got on a walker for two months. So I didn't walk on my own for a year. This was just a couple years ago. I remember following this as it was going on. And I just continued to heal and healing heal. Now I'm 100%, you know, played pickleball a couple of times last week, cycling. I'm 100%. No pain. Actually, the crazy part is I have less pain now than I probably did even before I went in because I had that nagging issue and I don't have that anymore. What do you attribute that to? Because I mean, if the doctor's saying, best case scenario, chronic pain forever and worst case scenario, you never walk again. Yeah. Yeah. And here's the other part

is like I thought after that doctor gave me the diagnosis, I thought I'm going to go online and read my own case studies and do my own research and find people who had. And I really, was more discouraged because, and the one of the person I know who had this exact same issue had to have his spine fused. And so I attributed to number one, a miracle of God. You know, I think that God, again, you know, the other thing, the Bible never tells you, eat this food and it will heal you. Right. It says your faith or your belief that will heal you. And I just believed. And even though, and I'll tell you, the hardest sort of mental, spiritual attack I had regularly was, here's my, the number one thought that kept creeping in. You can get 50% better,

maybe 70%. You'll never be 100%. Like that was the thing I fought, constantly. Like God's not gonna finish the job. Yeah, exactly. So I think there was a supernatural healing. But the other thing is, I believe that we are called to be faithful and walking out and doing everything we can in order to heal. And so the other part was, I followed these biblical principles that we teach in the Bibliot Diet and that we work with patients on, on following through to honor God with my body. I think that's always, isn't that, that's always the sort of the rub, right? People talk about this like is like, where do, where do I meet God, right? Like I don't think he wants us to sit here necessarily and do nothing.

Yeah. But what are we supposed to do? And how do those two things come together? Like what, you know, like God's calling me do something. How much do I do and how much does God do? I guess it's a really interesting and timely word there is like is that God does require things of us in the midst of him working as well. Well, the thing about healing in the Bible, I mean, you know, Jesus or the prophets will say, like, go and, you know, bathe in the river three times or seven times. Or I've healed you now go and sin no more.

Or let me spit in this mud and mix it together. Like, Jesus didn't need to do that. But it's interesting that he did, right? He's like, let me put these couple things together here. And it's almost like there's a little bit of work here. It's a process. Well, the physical and the spiritual is so blend on our show. We talk about this all the time. We're like having a. Earth collide. You know, you have these stories of people being demonically oppressed and they have health issues, which is really bizarre. Oh, yeah. Why do, how can spirits affect our health? And so a lot of people will go to the end of their rope in terms of they've tried every health hack they possibly can. And then they realize, I had this trauma in my past and it's rewired the way that I, or it's deliverance. In the Bible that it was almost universal. If someone suffered for, from what we would consider a mental or behavioral or brain issue,

a demon was cast out. In other words, if you had something like schizophrenia, if you had something like epilepsy, if you had something like bipolar, and the demoniac probably had more than bipolar, but that's what happened is demons were cast out. So that's a different program, but Josh and I are very cognizant of the fact

that stored trauma causes disease, just like cancer cells would multiply. And we're also, cognizant of the fact that there are demonic attacks. I have a friend, we both have a very close friend that overcame cancer, but recently had a seizure and said, I felt like I was being suffocated and squished in my chest and I couldn't move and couldn't breathe. And that to me sounds like demonic activity. And I know some denominations have theology that says if you're a believer, demons won't come near you. It's not really true.

I mean, if Satan came to tempt Jesus, the demons are going to come near you. You just have to be willing to stand up and say the name of Jesus, cast them out, etc. It's an area none of us want to delve into, spiritual warfare. I mean, we consider spiritual warfare things like we're going to quote the Lord's Prayer or we're going to pray. But there's a lot going on. And you guys talk about that. I mean, anecdotally, too, like we've had, I mean, the first two of mine are like Grant Pemberton and Michael Miller, who two guys are Protestant working in, the deliverance space. And there's, I mean, countless anecdotal stories of them, of people

coming to the end of their sort of health journey and then going to get prayed for and they get delivered and their health issues are gone. Absolutely. I mean, to Nate's point, like there's there's so much going on, you know, in our reality that oftentimes it sounds and appears to anecdotally be that there are, you know, there are supernatural reasons people are sick. Generational curses, generational curses. Yes. We talked about the Dunbar curse with Michael Miller. I think the number one reason people are sick today is due to childhood trauma and negative thoughts and negative emotions. And some of those could be demonic, like a spirit of fear. Yeah.

Right. And listen, I think diet is a strong number two. But I do think, you know, there are so many patients I work with and people Jordan works with where the single biggest reason is why they're struggling with infertility or low testosterone or hypothyroidism or chronic fatigue or cancer. Cancer for sure. is due to living in a state of fear, living in a state of worry, living in a state of resentment or unforgiveness towards somebody. And what that's doing hormonally then, you know, it's like the spirit affects the brain, which affects the endocrine system, which then affects, you know, affects our health in a pretty

massive way. So, you know, one of the things that was really helpful to me, Jordan wrote a prayer when he was sick. And I took that prayer and used it for myself and just prayed it daily, kind of rewiring my brain in terms of knowing the healing that was going to take place in my body. So I think there's an element too. And saying it out loud. Saying it out loud. Just think about it.

If someone's diagnosed with cancer, they will say the word cancer a thousand times a week. But do they say I'm healed, healthy, and whole? And so when I was battling cancer, I prayed a prayer that it's about five minutes long, out loud, three times a day. And it came from scripture, some great Bible teachers, and it's constant proclamation of God's word over my life. And when I would pray it, I would get chills every time,

which I would describe as the anointing of God, and I would envision the demons holding their ears, almost like a dog whistle, you know, pierces a dog's ears. Like the demons couldn't stand what I was saying because I was speaking directly to my body. I never owned cancer. I never felt like I had cancer. I wouldn't call something.

somebody a diabetic. I wouldn't say somebody is autistic because you're owning it. And I do think that when someone's diagnosed with cancer, I've called it the unholy Trinity. I believe cancer is a demon. I believe it's the name of a demon. I am confident. Think of this. So my birthday's in July. And if you look at an astrology chart, I'm a cancer. Okay. But cancer is a crab that like, Have you ever seen a crab devour its prey? It's almost like what we imagine cancer does in the body. So I think cancer is a demon. What else could describe so many people being lost to us?

Everybody in this room has had a loved one that has been affected by cancer. So spirit of cancer, spirit of fear, and spirit of pharmacia. What I mean by that is if a hundred healthy people went to get a physical and were told, you have cancer and you have six months to live. I believe 30 of them would die. That's healthy people. Just because of the spirit of, they accept it. They accept their fate and they begin to imagine it because imagination is, that's your faith, is your imagination.

Then think of it this way. A hundred people who don't have cancer go in and are diagnosed and they are given cancer treatment. So think of it. You're burned, which is radiation. your if you had brain a brain tumor they would crack your skull open which is trauma yeah you get chemotherapy which is poison it's going to kill whatever fast growing cells you have so i believe a 100 healthy people that get standard cancer treatment 30 of them die so right there that's 60 out of 100 when you get chemotherapy radiation some type of invasive surgery with all those medications you're

told you're going to die in six months you're already a 60 percent you're you're of dying. And then if you actually have a malignancy, it's worse. So that explains it. And I had this post two days ago, and it was very well appreciated. And I said, I can tell if someone who has cancer is going to live or die with a conversation. And it's because of how they believe and what they accept. But that's the same as everything. And guys, I'll get into some theology. And I do have to still talk about healing leaves. But I grew up, I'm a messianic Jew. But after going to some charismatic Pentecostal congregations. I learned about a relationship with Jesus primarily in the Baptist Church. And I was told, stay away from the faith stream, the name it and claim it,

folks. The ones who say, I'm going to have a private jet. I'm going to have a Rolls-Royce. But here's the problem. Name it and claim it is absolutely proven. Here's why. I know people that said they were going to die of cancer and they did they talked about it all the time i know someone who said i'm going to lose my marriage i'm going to lose my marriage they did i know someone who said my kids are going to amount to nothing and they did i know one a person who said they're going to go broke i'm going to go broke i'm not going to have any money and they lost it all death and life's in the power of the tongue so we're not saying you're going to eat a certain diet and be healed although we've seen people that have only changed their diet and been healed the biblio diet is about a

lifestyle conform to God's word. God's word says in Romans 12, 1 and 2, I urge you brothers, in light of my mercy, that you offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to me as your spiritual act of worship, no longer be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. The biggest thing the Bibliot Diet will do is renew your mind. That's what your podcast does, right? Somebody's listening and they're like, oh my gosh, there was a pre-adamic society. You name it, whatever somebody believes. You went there, really.

So I think. Outside the garden. Well, and I'm not saying I particularly believe that in terms of people. I believe in the biblical. That was more than we were in a garden. Yeah, I believe in the biblical, you know, human, I'll say, experience. Old Earth, young earth, different thoughts. But point is, people's mind needs to be renewed.

And when Josh and I meet someone, say at a seminar, or book signing, whatever, they will say, I read your book or I listened to your podcast or I read Dr.ax.com and an article and it changed the way I think. And now I feed my kids healthy. And you wouldn't believe, I don't vaccinate my children. I don't, but I'm saying someone would say that.

Not that Josh and I are like the biggest anti-vaxxers, but neither of us believe that God left us immuneless at birth and we need some cocktail of crap, which by the way, almost all of it has unclean and detestable things. But, and Luke, you and I have a lot in common. We're both sons of chiropractors. And I wasn't vaccinated until I took the MMR vaccine one time as a junior in high school that likely contributed to my Crohn's disease diagnosis.

Wow. Do you think, let me ask a question on that. Do you think we talk about frequencies especially? It's very interesting that what you're talking about as far as like, I think speaking out is something that my wife does, for example. because she has some chronic pain. She doesn't acknowledge it. She just says, I'm healing.

I'm in the process of healing from my chronic pain. I'm in the process of, I am not sick. I am healing from what I, that's been her practice. And I think there's something maybe scientific, too. We've talked a lot about frequencies on the show about changing the frequency of what you say. And I think to your point, too, I think what's interesting about changing what you say is that part of calling or what we're told to do by the is the renewing of our mind. And how do we do this?

It's by, it's by digesting and reading the scripture. That's the, those truths are what renew your mind. And I think that does change what comes out. And I think that has been hijacked to an extent by a lot of, well, your mind is like, name and claim, but like, I need two jets. If I just say, you know, it's the whole. And I think this is what's been co-opted by the new age too,

is that you can manifest those things you want, right? All you do is just say them and believe them. And that's actually witchcraft. But Abraham was told by God when he was childless and past childbearing. years, look at the stars in the sky, look at the sand and the seashore, so shall your descendants be. It's a visualization. Right. So you are.

Well, your mind is like, yeah, your mind has his own diet. Your mind has its own digestive system and what you put it in. And I would say that like the health experts have, they've distilled this down to DNRS, like dynamic neurological retraining. But it's the same thing as renewing your mind, right? It's kind of like everyone's like taking a back road to a similar word of God night and day, right? That's what we're told to do.

That's our charge. Meditations, new age. But I think that the original people who had a relationship with God did a lot of things that have been co-opted by these other groups. Of course. They did a little different variation of it. But having a relationship with God is a dynamic. It's a powerful thing.

It's not just like a, I think that's what a lot of the people in the New Testament missed. They were doing all the laws and all the rituals, but they were not in relationship with God to the point where they couldn't see the Messiah right in front of them, which I think is like what you're saying with how. health is it's an all-encompassing thing. It's not just you eat fruit, you're going to be okay. You know, if you eat whole foods, it'll be fine. There's a lifestyle change. I think as Christians we kind of, and modern humans, we want a pill. We want a one size fits all, one, one, you know, smoking gun, one silver bullet for health. And it's like, you have to change everything. And I think

that's what Jesus's message was to a lot of people. Like, you're going to have to give that up, that up, follow me. It's going to be a journey. everything yeah yeah and it's hard it's hard i think when you unless you get to the bottom like you guys both did where you're you have to choose well am i going to decide i'm going to fight or am i going to give up yeah that's a that's a place we all have to kind of get you know yeah i think the the easy way and the shortcut is never the right way yeah yeah you know and this goes into maybe we can go into this and then go into healing leaves right afterwards because it's kind of the solution to this but uh we we had mentioned pharmacia before we'd mention things like vaccines there's a

good. I just wanted to read the verse here. This is in Revelation 1823, and it says, For your merchants were the great men of the earth, and by their sorceries, pharmacia, all nations were deceived. And there are a lot of Bible verses that really go into this work, Pharmakia. And of course, the book of Enoch talks about it, of Jubilee. I mean, there's a number of the extra canical sources there as well. But I think today, when you look at these big industries, like the big pharmaceutical company, big agricultural company, if there's a word to describe what they're doing to people, it's deceiving. Sorcery. It's sorcery.

We're brainwashed. It's unbelievable. Yeah, it's absolute deception. And, you know, I was kind of doing some research on, like, what is part of the deception taking place and what's happening? You know, most of these pharmaceuticals were originally taken from the idea of herbs, their extracts. Of course, we all know, like, you know, birch has silicic acid, which is what aspirin is today, those sort of things. Metformin comes from lilacs.

So there's loads and loads of examples of this, but they've taken something from nature, synthetically changed it to where it might be the similar molecules, but it's like taking a blueberry and now you've got high fructose corn syrup or fructose. So it's a very different thing. And then now there's all these side effects. And there's also a Bible verse that reminds me of where basically it says, I think this is in Proverbs, where it says, God will bring blessing and he will add no trouble to it. And every single drug has a side effect, a major side effect today.

vaccines. Again, there's been almost no real research done on them where you're doing these double-blind placebo studies of looking at, hey, are they safe or not? And if you're looking at just the general evidence, like when I look at who are the healthiest people I know, it's functional medicine doctors, it's chiropractors, it's naturopas, it's naturopas, it's homeschool families, it's Amish, it's these people. And, you know, who has the lowest rates of using pharmaceuticals and vaccines and all these things? It's those people. So I really think that there is also just so much deception happening. with big agricultural companies, creating food, like the marketing to kids today is so deceptive. A lot of people don't know this. The tobacco companies basically went and bought all of these food companies. And they used the exact same playbook. And that's what they use on kids now in terms of all of the bright colors and a lot of the marketing and those tactics. And they're addictive compounds, more so than tobacco.

I mentioned a little bit about artificial sweeteners before. There was a doctor in the town. grew up in in South Florida, who wrote an 800-page book on just aspartame addiction. And he talked about it being more addictive than tobacco or nicotine. He said it was more addictive than recreational drugs. Alcohol, the list goes on and on. And doesn't that make sense? Imagine if you could sell something that people constantly craved. So it's the deception's real, but the truth is more real. And the thing, Luke, that caused me to reach out to you and why I thought this message was a fit for your program, a lot of what we shared was amazing. But the most supernatural message that comes from the Bible, and I'm going to correct Josh, I don't think he meant to say this.

And I'm also going to quote him on something that I've been using. Josh said, money doesn't grow on trees, but medicine does. And I had a great experience where in 2018, my wife had what she calls a God idea. She didn't say it was a prophecy or a word from the Lord. It was the summer of 2018. And the way she explains it, and it's going to sound self-serving, so be prepared. She said that I imagined asking God a question. God put this idea in my mind.

Is Jordan going to discover the cure for cancer and win a Nobel Prize? This was July of 2018. She didn't tell me for five months because she's a good secret keeper. If you ask her how good I keep secrets or ask Josh, it's pretty rough. I'm not a good secret keeper. She tells me in December of 2018. And after the second time she had it. So she had it again and she told me.

And my reaction to hearing I'm going to discover the cure for cancer and win a Nobel Prize was frustration. because I was healed of cancer years and years earlier, 10 years earlier, I've been studying about natural remedies to heal cancer since then. Even before I was diagnosed with cancer, I wrote a book on how to heal cancer the Bible's way. Like, I've been in this. Now all of a sudden there's going to be an answer. I'm thinking if it's a medicine, 99% of the world can't afford it because they're not insured. If it's an herb in the Amazon, same thing.

It's rare. Hardly anyone can get it. It's expensive. So I just filed it in the back of my brain and I'm in my prayer sauna. So my sauna is my prayer closet and I'm listening to the Bible on an app, which I do every day. There you go. That's right. And it comes into Ezekiel.

And I am going through the Bible very regularly. So I know exactly what's coming up. It's Ezekiel. It's in the 40s. And you guys have done this when either you read or listen. You sort of tune out and you're multitasking. But then I hear the words of Ezekiel. Eel 4712. And it talks about a garden city, a sanctuary flowing with water that forms a river,

and on the sides of the river are trees. Their leaves will not wither, their fruit will not fail. The fruit will be for food and the leaves for healing. And as soon as I heard that, I said, that's it. Or God said, this is it. And I'm getting chills again. What's crazy is, in herbal nutrition in medicine, every book, Faith-Based or Not, quotes this. And then they say, that's why you should eat sage or barley grass or whatever. But I'm a farmer. I know the difference between an annual plant like spinach and a perennial plant like an apple tree. And it hits me like a ton of bricks. This isn't leaves like spinach. These are fruit tree leaves. So since April of 2019, for the last six plus years, I have been studying everything.

I can about what is the Bible's definition of if the leaves are for healing, could it be mistranslated? It's translated as healing, medicine, or cure, and that's it. That is, Terufa is the Hebrew word. And I'm thinking, well, do I eat the leaves? You know, what's a, what's a fruit? What's a tree? Could it be a vine? Could it be a bush? So I'm studying hundreds of species of trees. And then I take God at his word. So I call orchards. I call a mango orchard. And I said, because it's the winter. So I'm calling in Florida and I said, can I buy some of your leaves? It's like, what do you mean? You know, your mango leaves. Well, we compost them or we throw them away like everybody does. And so I keep going through scripture. And then Revelation 22 comes, which is a

less known verse, at least for me. And it describes through John the Revelator, the revelation of Jesus, a garden city with a sanctuary in a river. And the tree of life is on the side of the river, bearing 12 types of fruit, the leaves are for the healing of the nations. So I'm thinking, surely somebody in history has taken these leaves and made a tea out of them. I mean, how could these two verses say, in the same, this time in the Greek, healing, cure, remedy? And I started collecting leaves and brewing them like a tea. And then I researched all the compounds and benefits in fruit tree leaves. And then, because I was all in, I planted 600,000 fruit trees on our farms.

Dang. For the time, and it takes a while for them to grow. And I started consuming this every day and noticed some benefits. Then I meet a young man with metastatic terminal bone cancer in Kenya, but he was from the Netherlands. He's dying. He's six to 110 pounds at the time. Barely could speak English. I'm praying for them.

because someone asked me to on my way to the airport. A very, and the person who asked me to pray for them is now the president's wife, very of Kenya, very strange story. And I said, they're like, can you help me? And I said, sure, but my book isn't in the Netherlands. We don't have any products in the Netherlands. I don't know the brands of foods. But then God says, tell them about leaves.

And it turns out, I tell them about fruit tree leaves, and his sister works at an orchard. So right before the winter comes, they cut all these leaves, dehydrate them, and he starts consuming this beverage of 12 fruit tree leaves, like Revelation says in the tree of life, and he has a miraculous cure of cancer. He followed the principles, too. Is there a specific 12? There is not a specific 12, and here's what's great. Wow. And I said this in my mind once.

If God were to create a cure for cancer, wouldn't it be the most abundant, easy-to-get substance that people call trash? Like, we're all going to see leaves here soon in people's yards that are in bags. And it's impossible to create scarcity. Well, it is because the more you cut, the more you grow. But here's the cool thing. God's definition of a fruit includes acorns and walnuts and pine nuts. We have healing leaves in our backyard guys or in the drive here. You're seeing them.

I saw you picking leaves out front, Jordan. I was wondering what was going on there. You might say oak leaves. How good can they be? You've probably heard of quercetin, right, during the pandemic. Quercetin was named because of the genus of oak is quercas. So oak tree leaves are where quercetin primarily is found. Which stops the replication of the body.

So what do you do? It's so amazing. Like COVID-19 on COVID. So here's what's cool. And I mentioned this before. I'd love for everyone all the blurry verse to get the bibliode. It's going to make an impact on your health. You're going to love it.

And people here are nonconformists. So that's why I'm like, I know you're not a health people aren't your regular guests. We got a bunch of crunchy moms making sourdough. Sometimes two non-conformments. So you think of it this way. You could literally get a plant finder app, go in your backyard or go in a forest or go to a botanical garden and cut some leaves. Now, if you live in a place where it's a cold or climate, it's coming into winter, you can order leaves. The funny part is they're the least popular herbs out there, which makes perfect sense.

and the people who are poorest on the planet, third world countries, have the greatest abundance of fruit tree leaves. I remember in Kenya, I watched a woman with a jar on her head walking through a mango orchard, stepping on mango leaves. Mango leaves are antiviral.

They're antifungal, bacterial. They are anti-HIV. In fact, fruit tree leaves are what we use to deworm our livestock. They work better than something called ivermectin. Ever heard of that? I mean, think about it. And so, you answer your question,

and Nate, anybody can get leaves. I have a recipe in the book, but also we're going to give away our free chapter 14 called Healing Leaves. Anyone who visits thebiblioDiet.com, you don't have to buy the book. I'd love you to, but you can get that chapter. And I take a combination of 12 leaves, dried or fresh, I put it in a boiling pot of water, I bring it to a boil, and then I strain it. And we'll eventually, I planted all these trees, so we'll eventually have tea bags and all this. But could you imagine two scriptures that say this is a cure, this is healing, this is medicine, and the whole history of the world, no one picked this up that I could find. I mean, I looked at Maimonides in the 12th century, the Jewish physician rabbi, who he gives

remedies of how to use duck toenail on your skin. And there's nothing about this other than allegories. So you take it, and it tastes just like black or. green tea. And what I do is I make a huge batch and I strain it and put it in Mason jars in my fridge. I drink 32. I've only had 16 ounces so far, but I drink 32 ounces a day before I eat anything. And then I serve my family along with our olive oil shots at night. I've seen like we we all have sort of a sports background. My son plays college football and had a partial peck tear. And I never thought to give him healing leaves. We have great chiropractors here. He used laser. He used

dry needling. He used all the different adjustments and cold plunge, hot therapy, all that. Two weeks of drinking healing leaves, his peck tear heals. And I'm just like, how could it heal a muscle? It's not like this type of Cox 2 inhibitor, but you know what, guys, I'm at a point in my life where I'm going to trust God and be darned what anybody else says. And so when God speaks to me through my wife, which she has a greater percentage of accuracy on these things than I do. I am going to listen, but I'm not just going to do it for me. I'm going to plant trees so that people can be healed. So anyone who's in the area that I'm friends with, if they have cancer or another condition,

I say go to our farm, bring scissors in a Ziploc bag, and anyone who wants can cut leaves. And it's just been amazing what God's done. But this Bibliode is the first time we're introducing it to the world. and in the limited research you find, fruit tree leaves are anti-inflammatory, they're immune boosting, they're antimicrobial, fungal bacterial, viral,

and parasitic, and they lower blood sugar because you get all the benefits of fruits with no sugar at all. Do you have to dry them? You have to dry them? You don't, but if you want to preserve them,

you should. Let me just qualify this, Jordan. Like, if you're listening to the show right now, get the chapter and read that. Just not go in your backyard and start digging any leave, right? because there's to be some stuff that could probably. Oh, yeah.

These are fruit bearing trees. And all of, and we list the ones that are best, and they all have some historical evidence, whether it's the Native Americans here. Yeah. A lot of the ornamental plants, like I was doing research on something called American Beauty Berry,

those beautiful small purple berries. Some foods, we just don't eat them because we can't get them to market and preserve the mulberry leaf is like the most potent medicine for diabetes or blood sugar. Those are everywhere. Muscadines are another thing that we'll find here. Yeah, I was going to, when I was tealing from my infection, one of my side effects was

I had my blood was really low, like I had anemia. And I started taking papaya leaf. And it's an amazing, it's loaded with like boosts ferretin levels, iron. I mean, it was in platelets. And Guava does too. Same thing. And so we grow on our farm in Tennessee indoors and outdoors because we want to grow tropical plants. We have a regenerative organic farms. We're growing in the ground, papayas in Tennessee.

It just happens to be covered. And our animals are dewormed naturally. People will come and consume it and get healed. And my dream is to see people replace tea with healing leaves. Could you imagine? And someone says, what are you drinking every day? And green tea is good and black tea is good, but it's not fruit bearing. And God didn't call it healing. I want God to gain the glory. And I think millions of people before I am done with my life and go to the Garden City, which we call heaven, I believe millions of people will be healed from following God's word that was there all the time hidden in plain sight. That is blurry. Let's go. I think I love this because I think anyone has gone through some health issues, has like come to the end of the rope and they've tried out

so many things. You know, so many people have, especially in this age where, you know, we debate things all like are they spraying chemicals in the sky over us and all the things that start at the top of of the weirdness we talk about all the way down to my whole pantry is full of supplements and this is something that God's like I gave you nature supplement right here but I think when you when you talk about cancer I think sometimes my thought is like when people talk about hell on our show it isn't it's the absence of something it's the absence of God's presence his life and you are just left to be and like is cancer sort of an absence of all this all these things that your body needs to kind of survive and then cancer just takes over because there's nothing there.

One of the things I found... It's like hell in the body. Yeah, one of the things I found, you know, kind of philosophically, but also in reality as well that causes disease, is it's toxicity and deficiency. Yeah. I mean, it's those two things. You address those two things.

Hell is deficient of God's love and God himself, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cancer attacks your spirit because it sucks hope out of your life. Listen, I deal with people every day with cancer, helping them. And as soon as you're diagnosed, if it's brain cancer, you'll never get a headache again in your life that you're not tempted to think it's growing back. If you've got another prostate

cancer which can spread to the bone, if your elbow hurts, normally it'd be like, oh, I have tennis elbow, now it's spreading. Like you, you believe the authority in your life, which is the doctor who they want to be unquestioned. We know great doctors, by the way. I'm not blaming human beings, but that's why it's an evil system. And when Josh talks about pharmacists, Kia, it has to be sorcery. How else could we have knowingly poisoned ourselves and literally walked off the cliff like, you know, sheep, lambs to the slaughter? So I do think a lot of illnesses do that. I didn't, which is ridiculous because I have a, let's take a shot right now. I have a fridge full of it. I'm so sorry, we'll get you guys some. One of the things I was going to

say, I was listening to this great Bible study and they were going through the early book of Genesis and the scholar was talking about God created us to have three. really deep intimate relationships. Number one with him, number two with each other, and number three, with the earth. We were born here. We're going to spend eternity here. Yes. And so when you take creation and you manipulate it and you radically change it from what God intended, it's going to lead to sickness. And that's what's happening a lot today too, that people are thinking, I'm going to take this drug that's going to heal me. No, it is one of the most deceptive things ever. It's going to actually cause you now to have another condition that's going to make you ill on a lot of cases. And not to say in every case,

but in most cases, that's what's happening. I mean, I don't know if you've ever seen, the largest lawsuits ever, Glasgow, Smith, and Klein, you know, Pfizer, all these others. Monsanto. Like, all 10 of them. They're, they're like pharmaceutical.

They're from, you know, there's a drug called Vioxx that killed nearly 100,000 people. And it was approved. So, so. And I'm not saying, listen, you guys have a lot to say, I'm sure, about 9-11, and no one wants to think about the people that died there

or on October 7th in, in Israel. But 100,000 people, from taking a medicine they were told to take for joint pain. Yeah. I mean, I think that's what we talked about pharmacia, right? It is, according to the book of Enoch, which we talk about on the show, a fair amount. It's one of the gifts, gifts, in quotes, exchanged by the fallen angels, right?

And these gifts all, for the most part, have a hook of death, or the gifts is given to humanity once they take wives. And it's like, it's a weapon making, right? Which, of course, then man makes war. And it's pharmacia, which then becomes man-pointed. Poisons man, right? You have these these unholy transfer of technology and and gifts from the darkness. And it's not, to me, it makes total sense, right? We're looking at we're, and it was, I felt something interesting I wanted to bring up when you're talking about, about the drug companies. I was reading something, I think it was this week. And I don't

know the number is, it's thousands, but they're using AI right now to, to look through. There's, there's thousands of drugs that were created that can help people. the article says help people heal. But they are shelved because they cannot turn a profit. They're off label. And so there's all these things. And it makes me think about, it makes me think about, you know, 2020. And the fact that like we were, we have, we had drugs that were, you know, naturally based,

like something like Ivermectin that was actually effective. And yet these were not profitable. And so you look at this corruption of man and this corruption of this industry. And it's literally what I was saying before about, Or you cannot create scarcity around fruit leaves. So someone can't control that supply. And just like you can't patent vitamins, right? Listen, and I really, you should come out and we should do.

Let's do it. Part two on the farm live. That's crazy. That was what I thought. Guys, we plant. Castor oil followed by an animal. We planted our trees in hedgerow style so we could cut the leaves because the fruits a side of side benefit as far as I'm concerned. So and what's beautiful is we cut them to harvest the

leaves and they're healthier and they grow bigger and better. And they're going to be there, Lord willing, for hundreds of years or until we enter into heaven. But there's so much more, this message actually dovetails into the tree of life, which Enoch talks a lot about. The tree of life was what Adam and Eve consumed to live forever. But when they were cast out of the garden, they could not take hold of the tree of life. That tree of life, the leaves are for the healing of the nations. Adam and Eve consumed fruit, and I believe leaves from the fruit trees. They didn't eat spinach and barley green. Those were not until after sin, and as soon as man sinned, the ground became cursed, annual agriculture began, the environment became less oxygenated,

lifespan shortened, but here's what somebody didn't tell some of us. Jesus got those keys to the kingdom back. And I believe one of those is the keys to undo the curse on the earth and transform our bodies and start getting that longevity back. Now, I don't believe like biohackers, I'm going to live to 180 or 200, but I do believe it's possible to live like Moses. And at 120 years, the Bible says his eyes were undimmed and his strength or vigor was unabated. That's what we're looking for. I don't want to live till 180. And I certainly don't want to live till even 90 and be on 12 medications and wither away and be sick.

But I want the longevity of Moses and Caleb and Jacob and Joseph and Abraham. And it's possible. And I believe healing leaves this tree of life concept is part of it. And I think this message was saved for such a time as this. And Josh and I sit here very blessed. If you would have told me years ago that the head of the FDA would have been in our office on Josh's podcast. Now, this is before he was named, I wouldn't believe, believe you. If you would believe that a colleague of ours is hopefully the soon-to-be surgeon general, if that ever happens, I wouldn't have believed you.

Like, there's a groundswell, but the church is usually late to the game because food is their last sacred sort of indiscretion that they don't want people to take away. In fact, food has been used to draw people in to celebrate with the youth. Josh and I were helping a good friend of ours who's a pastor connected us with a very well-known youth pastor and evangelist to youth. And his comment was, I follow the typical youth pastor diet. How sad is that? Yeah, pizza and Pepsi. Yeah. So.

I mean, if you would have told us that we'd be talking about Bigfoot and then we'd be here talking to you guys. Same thing. Like, it's so bananas. Like, what we started talking about. Any word of warning about shooting olive oil? Because one of my favorite clips from this last year is I know Shaq was doing this. Oh, really? Yeah.

and they would shoot all of oil with the show. And in the middle of the show, he had to run to the bathroom because it was cleaning them out. And it was maybe the funniest thing. If you Google this, if you're listening, Inside the NBA,

they talk about Barclay and Kenny, and Keny Jet Smith talk about, they make fun of him because in the middle of the, of the shoot, like we're sitting here, he has to jet for the bathroom. And they go, oh, yeah. Cleans you out. Shack's been taking, shooting olive oil.

I think it's helping to open his guy. If you do an ounce or four ounces or six, it'll do that. too much oil. In fact, the old Holda Clark and Goldbladder clothes. Oh, yeah. It's six ounces. So if you're listening, be careful. Well, I didn't take the castor oil this morning because I knew. Dude, you're doing an olive oil cleanse.

Castor oil is like a butt rocket, man. It's true. It is. We're talking about a tablespoon to an ounce. You're actually better off not taking it every day. You'd be better off mixing in other oils because your body gets used to it and with castor oil.

But olive oil would be a better, I mean, it works for Shaq. Maybe it can. Well, you kept him regular. So much he had to leave the oil. The set, which is what's interesting guys. The best TV you'll see this year. This is like a, it's kind of a 50,000 foot understanding.

We've talked to people over the years how things lead back to the Mediterranean. Languages, the God kings, how the Nephlin, the words Raffa was going back to certain parts of Turkey where the king started. And it seems like the Mediterranean diet is always sort of where people kind of come back to. You know, I was reading something about dates the other day. dates are the like the best multivitamin that has everything in it and it's the fruit right and we're like taking all these expensive supplements and there's certain things that are like growing in the biblical areas in the in the promise land you know it's it's it's fascinating that it always kind of goes back to this one

this one epicenter where like the knowledge and the understanding and the pinnacle of human like creation and what we were supposed to be cradle of civilization yeah is it everything leads back to this and date leaves are even better about the way. Date leaves. Oh yeah. You're a leave guy now, Jordan. I mean, I'm ready. I used to laugh at tree huggers, but anytime I'm anywhere, I am mesmerized by trees because God refers to trees in such high esteem. He talks about oaks of righteousness. He says that the trees of the field will clap their hands. Their hands are leaves. Cedars of Lebanon. Lebanon, Tennessee. And even when the blind man was healed, well, he was semi-heeled. And he said, I see men, but they look like trees. You know, so if you look like a Psalm 1-1, like a tree planted by the water. God talks very highly of trees,

very poorly of pigs. So the moral of the story is consume leaves, eschew pigs. Well, you sold me. I'm ready to drink this stuff. I'm ready to go. I'm going to bring it on on future time or we'll do a live blurry from the farm. We can look for large hairy animals. It might be a water buffalo, not bigfoot, but we got animals there. When you were saying that, I did get a vision of that. I was like, Sierra going like, we almost did an on location shoot the other day at a different place,

but I was like, this is a haunted place. That was what, it was a haunted place. But this was like, what am I was thinking? I mean, we gotta do part two out there.

Just an hour and five minutes away, man. Okay, let's do it. And we could, here's what we'll do. It's going to take all of us, but we will get, uh, Luke and Nate riding water buffalo because we raise water buffalo.

Let's go. I wonder that in the Philhands. I'm a, and hold on. We're going to play the veggie tails. Everybody's got a water buffalo while you're riding. and that will be your most viral. Listen.

Real, you know. It was about 20 years ago, but I've done it. I'm a vet. I wrote one in the middle of nowhere, Philippines. We decided just to hop in the mountained police and the Philippines ride water buffalo. Let's go. Ours are friendly.

This is fascinating. I mean, we've traced everything, like I said, from languages to back to certain places. And we're always looking for better answers on our show and trying to understand things from a perspective of everything is kind of weirdly supernatural in its own way. And I think that it makes a lot of sense. I think when starting the show, I was like, I don't really, I kind of can see where we can go with this, but this has been fascinating, guys. Like, I, I want to, I want to learn more about this. And I think that there's so much truth right in front of our face. This is so in your wheelhouse too. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean,

you've been on a health journey for the last. Yeah. And guys, think about this. And I'm really big on proving something. Like, when I went through cancer, I didn't just pretend I wasn't diagnosed. I took sophisticated blood tests every two weeks, and I had a CT scan after 40 days. The same radiology center I had my first CT scan for the diagnosis. So I don't believe in ignoring things. I believe in proving. But imagine if the blurry verse, and I know you guys are great with names and it's a very fun vibe. And we talk about things, you talk about things that are quote unquote out there or conspiracy. And that's in today, right? But imagine if an army of listeners who come to your conferences or go to your events in Costa Rica or just listening

today or watching, imagine if all of them consumed healing leaves every day from the Bible. And imagine if there was 90% less diabetes, cancer, heart disease, or it was gone. You know what you would be? You'd be the Israelites in Egypt because God said to them, if you follow my decrees and my commandments, I will put none of the diseases on you that I have brought upon the Egyptians, for I'm the Lord that heals you. And in Psalms it says that there were 600,000 men, probably 2 million plus people, that walked out of Israel, crossed the Red Sea,

and the Bible says there was not one feeble or sick among all their tribes. That can happen. And if we follow God's plan, it's to him be the glory. And this is tangible. This isn't just, hey, go do. this or that and hope for the best. I am taking God at his word. Science will catch up. There's a little bit of science out there, but I'm not going to wait till a man tells me that God was right. I love it, Jordan. Yeah, I was he, Josh, any final thoughts? Yeah. Oh, man. Well, I think,

I think just this is that, you know, God has put everything here that we need to be healthy. And I think that any time we sort of veer off and try, anytime man changes it, radically changes it, whether it's ultra-processed food or pharmaceutical drugs. It's like, we have a choice every time between Tylenol or turmeric or, you know, grass-fed organic beef versus the, you know, animals that were stuffed in a cage who never see sunlight, who are injected with antibiotics and are fed GMO food every day. So I think the more that we can just make the right choices towards God's design, his intended design, the healthier we're going to be.

And I do think that when it comes to physical health, diet is a really strong second. but I do think this our spiritual and mental health and as we're talking about they're just sort of supernatural state it is the thing that has the biggest impact on our physical health so the more that people can deal with their childhood trauma the more that people can renew their minds by living in God's word and following what it says the the healthier we're going to be I love it dudes I would I would say one last thing is like on the show we've talked a lot and this relates to your your main point in this is was the tree of life and actually actual tree and a lot of people debate as a metaphor it's not actually a tree but i've always felt like

there's something there that's like blurry that's the bluriest beginning you know like this supernatural tree that we're barred from we can't get back to and there's been a lot of debate from the beginning of was that actual like there was that actual tree that existed and we were eating from it i i believe i think it was a tree i do too and i think that it was in a place we obviously some sort of uh place between heaven and earth that we get to and we can eat this from this tree. But it would make sense that in that tree, in that original tree, in that design, that there's also that health benefits that we still have today. We will eat again. Yeah. But part two, I'm looking forward to this. This is awesome guys. I really appreciated it. And tell everybody where they can find the book, where they can find, get the chapter 14,

the healing leaves and all that. The bibliodia.com, you can get the free chapter 14 called healing leaves, download it and you can order the book through the website on an online reseller, but it's the cliche wherever books are sold. I don't even know if it's everywhere wherever books are sold because I don't know where all the places. But yeah, the Biblio Diet's pretty available. And it's only as of the this recording one month old, right? I mean, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's been talking about this for a while. So this is fun. Oh yeah. Josh is great to see you, man. Yeah, yeah. It's been too long. Yeah, I'm sorry to see you guys. Jordan, great to meet you. Yes. Yes. Yes. But thanks guys. This is this is cool. I'm glad it's really,

personally it's it's really fun to be able to share this with our audience too because I think there's it always goes back to the Bible like God gave us those things that that we needed and he gave us that direction and to talk about it from this standpoint is new for us but like nonetheless potent or necessary I think this is this is phenomenal so we'll see in the orchard shots of raw milk at the uh yeah shots of olive oil if you be careful at their conference you guys should come and get out shots while while sitting on a water belt left that's 100% done deal Thanks guys. Thanks, guys.

Thank you. Yeah. So yeah.