Blurry Creatures - EP: 37 The Little People with Expanded Perspectives

Episode Date: May 2, 2021

Podcast pioneers and legends of the space, Cam & Kyle from Expanded Perspectives, join us for Episode 37. These two are some of the most well-known personalities in the genre--are best friends, hilarious, humble, and have been podcasting for the last 10 years. Their discography is a story unto itself, rife with a plethora of weird and strange stories compiled over the last decade. We had to have Expanded Perspectives on the show to share what they’ve learned in their podcast tenure. It's time to get weird. And, to Nate's ultimate joy, we delve into the most important topic of them all, the little people. Are they really out there? Some of these stories will blow your mind. guest: expandedperspectives.com contact: [e-mail] blurrycreatures.com Socials instagram.com/blurrycreatures facebook.com/blurrycreatures twitter.com/blurrycreatures Music Kyle Monroe: tinytaperoom.com Aaron Green: https://www.instagram.com/aaronkgreen/ Mastering: ironwingstudios.com Outro Song: TimeCop1983: timecop1983.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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You live a couple hundred yards from each other. You've been podcasting for almost 10 years. And Luke and I have been in it for like 10 months. On this show. On this show. We have a little more background than that. That's true. We had other podcasts.

but this is still in infancy, but we're growing, we're having fun. But thanks for coming on, blurry creatures. We talk a lot about, you know, giants, ancient history, alt history, Bigfoot cryptids. That's kind of where we're at, aliens and UFOs a little bit. My story is I got into Bigfoot remodeling houses, and I moved to Nashville in 2012, started binging Bigfoot podcasts.

I listened to about 10 to 12 hours a day while drywalling and painting and all that stuff. I just couldn't keep my brain. I had to keep my brain going, or I couldn't work. And after a while, people just thought I was nuts. Like, dude, they started calling me the Bigfoot guy and watched all the documentaries, which, you know, 90% of them are terrible. But you guys know the drill, but it's good to have you guys on the show and appreciate you guys coming on. And yeah, you were just launching in.

We did a little pre-roll before we started. You guys were getting into the ancient giants. Yeah. And that's what we love to talk about on our show. First of all, thanks for having us. We're glad to be here. You may have only been doing this show for 10 months, but your show is already awesome. I really enjoyed the episodes I've listened to so far. So I'm glad you decided to do it. I know exactly what you were talking about. I've been down those roads. I was the same way back in 2012 or before that. When you're around, like you were saying, you were modeling houses. I wasn't doing that. But when you listen to normal radio, it's like the same 10 songs just over and over and over. And if you switch over to like classic rock, there's nothing wrong with it. It's good. But I've been listening to those songs for 20 years. Like I need something new.

And when you go to like talk, sports talk, I mean, it's just people complaining about the football team and the baseball team. It's just after a while you're like, I don't care, you know, I need something else. So I found podcast. This guy introduced it to me as my like you said, really close friends. And I was the same way. I started going down these paths where I was binge listening to these podcasts. talking about like Bigfoot sightings and things like that. And the thing I enjoyed it is the most is probably the same thing you did is I liked the stories.

It didn't matter if it was an old woman in Florida or it was a mountain climber up in Washington State. I enjoyed the story. And some of the stories were kind of fantastical. Some of them were not very exciting at all. Like we just heard some stuff or something smelled like hot trash, you know, and I couldn't sleep that night. I was driving down the road and something ran in front of me. So other ones where like a guy sees, they're, they're peeking through people's windows. They say they have a kinship with them. We have a gifting tree. I like to leave them little

trinkets or apples and they're my friends. And you're not because you're in your mind. You're like, why don't you take some pictures if you're friends with up, but they always have the same excuse. Like, well, I don't want anybody to try to hurt them. There's always some caveat. But the stories drew me in. And that's what Stopen started open. my eyes to other stories. Like you said, UFOs, alien abduction, time slips, alternative history, Middle Earth or inner earth or, you know, it just the conspiracies like the lunar landing and just the list goes on and on. And the next thing you know, people were starting to think that I was crazy. And now you've proven them right. I've proven them all right. I would listen to

episodes and I would tell him to download like the same episode. And I was like, you know, call me when you're done. Let's discuss. Like, what do you think? And he'd be like, oh, story number three, I don't believe that guy. But man, you know, that woman, I really believe that. And it sounds right. And the way she was given that description, I've been down there. That that makes sense, you know. And then after a while, we decided, hey, man, let's try to do it ourselves. And here we are. It's something. It's a hobby that turned into like a part time job, but we like doing it. And,

but when we were talking before the show, we started to get into some history about the giants that once roamed North America. Now, they are rumored to have been in other places of the world, too. But that has always been one of my favorite subjects because, I mean, my mind was completely blown when I first read.

And I don't even remember where I read it. But I was like, wait a minute, wait a minute. There were giants here, like real giants. And why I wasn't, Don't you think I should have been taught that in school?

Like, I mean, we were taught about like Paul Bunyan and stuff like that. But like there was real giants. And then you start looking into it and you realize that there was not just a few, but thousands of cases that were reported to newspapers. Now, I know some of the newspapers probably inflated the story to sell newspapers. No, it makes sense. But they can't all be made up. And how many farmers while plowing their fields?

or whatever, found bones and just was like, eh, I don't care. Like, you know, because they, you know, they look down on the Native Americans as inferior. So, you know, they didn't want to mess up their farm. Yeah, or get shut down or. Yeah. Especially before the Repatriation Act.

Yeah, absolutely. They would just cast it aside. So how many stories are there that were never reported? Just like how many Bigfoot counters are never reported, you know? Same, same thing. I bet you. Yeah, it's probably, what, two or three percent? I would agree.

with you. Yeah, I would say for every report that is sent in, there's probably 50 to 100 that haven't been. And shows like finding Bigfoot, you know, it's becoming more mainstream. Jack Lynx beef jerky now has Sasquatch in it. It's becoming, so I feel like people are more comfortable coming forward with the- Yeah. I mean, Nate's drinking cider beer. Yeah, right. With a big the name of it? Yeah. Local legend. Sounds about right. Shilling Hard Sider. It's disappearing. It's like it's like a big foot. It just, see, it just kind of disappears as you go back.

It's got that BC vibe though, dude. He's got sunglasses and a boombox. I feel like the boiler creatures. It could be our mascot. Maybe we'll maybe have to steal that artwork. It is now. The question is, is are the Bigfoot and the giants related? I mean, do they have? That is a theory. Are they similar, you know, because there's 700 mounds in North America documented. There's probably more. But if there's 700 mounds, those things are massive.

You got to think it probably took 500 giants to build one of these things. Some of these are two stories tall. So you've got to think, and they're all over the place. So these beings are everywhere. I mean, how lucky do you have to get to hit bones in the soil? I mean, you know what I mean? the chances of digging up these bones and the fact that there are the thousands of reports. I mean, that means there must have been a huge population of giants in North America.

At least at one time. Right. Long ago. Long ago. And South America, I think. We talk a lot about all the stuff that happens. All of them, the megalists down in South America, we had a few guests on talking about these structures that predate the Incas and predate the Aztecs. And they just kind of built onto them.

and their construction is pretty crappy compared to what was built before. Yeah, absolutely. I know that down in Patagonia, there was reports of early explorers meeting giants and tribes of giants. There's a primitive culture. The Olmecs were around before the Mayans and the Incas. And there's the stories of the Veracocha, the guys would arrive and they would teach the people about agriculture. They would teach them about mathematics, astronomical events. I mean, that's the thing is not just are there mounds in North America, but a lot of stone structures and stone walls that meet up with summer solstices and equinoxes and stuff.

So they had an understanding of cosmology. They weren't just randomly built. So that means that they were under high intelligence as well. And what's cool is in some of the burials, they'll find a giant, but he might have two or three like normal height women, like his wives were normal or. So you got to imagine if there were only a few left, I imagine that those would be like the chiefs of their tribe because they would be huge. And I mean,

I could only imagine someone, they found them with axes, swords, crowns, copper, made of copper. They think that a lot of the copper was mined up there in Michigan. Yeah,

those ancient copper mines. They really can't, they can't explain those either, right? Because the Native Americans weren't too interested in any of that. The Phoenicians. Right? There was no metallurgy.

Yeah, Phoenicians were shipping it, yeah. Yeah, they were subcontractors for the Egyptians. I love it. Yeah, they were able to test some of the copper found in Phoenician boat wrecks all the way over in the Red Sea and stuff. And it was good, knew that it came from the mines in Michigan. What do you think they're doing with the copper? What's the, what's the obsession with metals, you think?

I think it was bronze. I think that was, I think they found copper extremely malleable like we do. And they were probably, and they probably, as far as Egyptian-wise, was probably, probably also using it for its anti-backed arterial properties. They probably realized at one point they could make vessels out and you didn't have to clean them as much. Things could happen. You could do things better. But I also think it had to do a lot with jewelry in the Bronze Age as it probably started kind of building its way towards that. But those copper mines have been up there for thousands of years. Yeah, over 14,000. What were they talking about with the Bronze Age in Europe?

As they said that the copper that it would need to keep the Bronze Age grinding in Europe, there wasn't enough in Europe. So they knew it had the copper had to come from someplace else. So it does seem like this. There's a lot of history to get into that it does seem like has been suppressed over the several hundred years now of things that actually went on in North America, not just the giants, but like, yeah, piles of it that we have not been told everything. I can't even get half of my academic, you know, we went, Luke and I went off to school and half of my, gosh, half of my college friends who went on to higher education. We've gotten in some conversations, man.

You can't even convince them there's evidence. I know, right? It's all a hoax. It's all made up. It's all misidentified. I'm like, boy, I sure wished I was that confident about things that I had seen. I'm like, you can drive to Michigan and see the minds. Yeah.

You can go there. Or the mounds. You guys have been at this for a while. I kind of ask you like a big broad brush over overarching. Why do you think this stuff is suppressed? Why do you think there is an effort? really to to dismiss anything that seems to contradict or change the narrative. I mean, I'm just curious in your opinions on this because you guys have been in this game

a lot longer than we have. I think it has to do with mainly the era upon which it was all being found. If we had just moved here with the mindset that we have now and it's hard to say because it would never be because now it would be a different war with the Native America. Everything would be different if it is. But I believe that it was a mindset with the people that were taking the lands away as the progress was happening, that they wanted to show that it was almost their right to have this land, almost their right to take it away from those that lived here and drive those out in front of them. And I believe that in order to make that right,

you had to kind of hide some things. You couldn't go into it going, man, there is cultures here that we didn't even know existed. Like there are things here that we didn't even know could possibly have been a thing. And now we're here. And we always talk about like the Kensington Roon Stone. You start looking at all of the stones involved that people had found that had ancient carvings in it that they said was hoaxed. Turns out that that writing wasn't even known to be true to like the 60s because you're like there's no way it could have been hoaxed. Like there's absolutely no way.

You know, and you get into it. I think a lot of it was done by the people in power at the time because they think. thought they were doing the right thing. They thought that they could convince everybody that the manifest destiny part was truly that their destiny. And that's the reason it was suppressed. I don't know that it was nefarious. I don't think they thought down the line. I don't think the people suppressing history at the time thought, you know what, this will be better for everybody 200 years from now. I just think that they thought this will be better for us now. We have been told stories of people on job sites, recent job sites within the last 15, 20 years of them doing excavation work

on large commercial scales and unearthing alleged dinosaur bones only to have the superintendents crush them with large equipment and push them back into the piles and say, keep digging and keep working. Because if they see that, they're going to shut the whole site down for no telling how long to go through all this and we don't have that time. So you think about it. about money and power makes people do crazy things. And I think it was the same thing. It was based, that destiny was based on money and power. And I think they just tried to sign anything they couldn't easily explain.

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and the eminent domain and all these different things that would have been. Why does it continue? Yeah, that's my question. I think it continues because of the pressure put on the professors. I think, well, and just like he's talking. about with the people that you went to school with. Don't listen to a thing you want to talk about. Just basically tell you you're crazy.

They drank the Kool-Aid. When you close that part of your mind off and you're not willing to do your own research and you take it as so-and-so told me and this person must have done their research. When in reality, as you find out, much as when we got older, everybody listening wanted to say, you know what, when I'm a grown-up, I'm going to live my life like this. Well, I'll tell you now, boys and girls, I'm a grown-up and I still don't know how I want to live my life.

I'm going to tell you that straight up. If anybody tells you they got it figured out, they're liars. That's what it is. None of us know anything until we die. We just kind of adapt as we go through. I think it's that. It's way easier. I'll ask both of you,

if there's something you want to really study and you're trying to do, whether it's a recipe, whether you're working on your car at home, whatever you're doing. And you go on YouTube, you always look for the dude that's got the coolest video on the most views. Obviously, that person knows what they're talking about. And then you do it exactly the way that person showed it.

whenever there's somebody out there with views of 100 and have three subscribers may actually have a better way of doing it. Why didn't you listen to them? It's because that wasn't what the narrative that you took with it. You didn't want to go against the status quo. You went with what everybody else went. You buy things that have the most reviews. Whether the reviews are real or not, we don't know. And I think that's what's wrong now.

It initially starts with the education system. The education system has to be willing to, instead of train you to be. a laborer train you to think. But instead, of course, this is a whole big twist. America's a business and it's got to train its employees. And so that's the way it does it. It it wipes out things. You don't need to get sidetracked by that. Watch this. See who wins the game Sunday. Check out who's singing underneath that mask Tuesday. Look over here. Now we got to make sure. And they just all they do is it's just a shell game to take you off of what you should be looking at. Let's look at our history. Let's look at what's going on around us.

Bread and circuses, right? Yeah. Yeah, and I think. And it's too easy. And just like we talked about with the, the Bigfoot stuff, and they're not reporting. You don't want to go against history.

You don't want to say there were giants because, well, now they're going to single yet. There's that crazy. We can't invite, we can't invite Kyle back. Kyle thinks that there was giants here. Well, and if the public learns that Bigfoot is real and is in the mountains,

like you were saying, up in Oregon, then they're going to shut down lumber production because there's an endangered species there, you know. We have to study. I'm sure the guys that own those big logging corporations is like anytime somebody says they see something, they're like squash that story. They don't want it out. Yeah, I've heard the Michigan guys, loggers had to sign cease and desists.

Oh, yeah. They couldn't. They had to sign. If I see anything in the woods, like, I'm not going to say anything. It makes sense. And like. Paperwork. And like what Cam was saying with, you know, the reason that people don't believe in a lot of this stuff is I think like if you're a professor and you have your.

you have a doctorate in something and your, your specialty is Egyptology and you spent your whole life and you've written seven books. Like, you're just closed-minded because in order to consider some newfound information, it's like they just don't want to because they're afraid that what they've been spouting or writing and or teaching for all their career is untrue. So they're very steadfast. I mean, when you want to talk about pushback, anybody with like a couple letters after their name. They're the ones that's going to push back the hardest when any kind of new information comes to light. Like when Gobeckley-Tepi was first found, I mean, I remember there was a lot of people, a lot of archaeologists saying there's no way it's that old. And now they have to admit

that that site is 20,000 years old, if not older. Surprise. But they don't want to explain that. They don't want to. And I think it's because of that. I think the egos get involved. I think like you were talking about your friends at a dinner party. They have credentials. They went to school. And they just don't want to believe that a guy who remodels houses and listens to endless stories of big foot might know something more about ancient history than they do. Yeah.

Yeah. It's definitely. You've got to be open-minded. I think back to one thing. And we had the pleasure to get to speak with John Anthony West. And we spoke to him on the show. And then we got to speak to him several times off air. And for those of you that aren't familiar with who John Anthony West is,

how dare you, first of all. But second of all, if you're into anything, Egypt, that's the man. You need to start reading some of the things he has, looking at stuff. And then he is the man responsible for going and get Dr. Robert Shock and proving that the water erosion on the sphinx is, that it was there,

that that's what it was. And I always think back to that because he had told us that the first time he went down there, like in the 50s and went to seeing all this. He knew something was up, started studying all this. When he finally went and got Robert, a tenured professor at Boston,

and was it to Boston University in it. I believe it is. Yes. And got him talked into coming down there and they did the study and they checked it all out. And Robert's like, that's exactly what this is. When they went back to the geological convention, he said there's like 250 of the world's top geologists there. And they had their display set up. And they had the photographs of it, but they had it barred out with other pieces of paper where all it showed, where you couldn't know where it was.

It just showed the erosion. and they had every one of them come by, and what do you think this is? And water erosion, wind erosion, sand erosion, what is causing this? People would write stuff down. When they got up on stage to present it, had it all out there and tore that stuff off,

all the ones that had signed that's water erosion laughed, was like, yeah, that's not real water. You just said it was. Well, no, no, now I'm taking it back. It can't be on that. Well, then you find out later with the ice core samples, that they have found out that truly that that was a lush rainforest 9,000 years ago.

And it's printed in like two sentences in the back of the newspaper. Exactly. Yeah. On Thursday evening. Right, because the syncs is far older than when they claim that it was created. Right.

Yeah. Why is that not huge news still today? It makes me think of like some of my text messages with some of my group of my friends. There's like people in your phone, you know, if like news happens. Like someone said, up, like yesterday I'll just be vulnerable here.

Someone said, well, they're printing another $2.2 trillion. They're trying to destroy the currency on purpose. And I just text back, LOL. Of course, they're trying to destroy the currency. Like, you know what I mean? Like, they're trying to ruin the economy. And that's what, like, half my friends believe. If I texted that to some other of my friends, they'd be like, are you crazy?

Or you're like, oh, you're, you know what I mean? They can't even. It would take them five years just to get to that point. Yeah, absolutely. I think a lot of it's this way. It's almost like cardio. cardio. It's like a cardio workout. You can go work out with dudes that can go way harder than you can go because you're not to their cardio fit level or lifting. It doesn't matter. Some people lift more than

others. In order to get to there, you have to spend more time there doing it. And in order to get some of the knowledge that we're talking about, you can't read what they shovel in front of you. You kind of have to get out and do your own work. And I'm sure we all know people right now that haven't read a book since they left high school. The minute they were done, they're like, I'm done. I read like two books a week. You know, still, you just start going crazy because you can't stop. Because when you, y'all started this podcast now, yeah, welcome to the churn, because that's the way it's going to be. You're going to think, you're like, I'm going to lay down. Then I'm not going to think about it. In 30 minutes and I'm almost asleep, something's going to pop into your head.

Just go ahead and get up and go check it out because you're not going to sleep right all night if you don't. But that's what it is. It's like people, like you pointed out, if you were to say that to your friends, they would go crazy. But now your friends are saying it to you. It's like you had to wait. You ran a little ways around the track. You're two laps in. Now you're waiting. You're like, a little beer in a minute. And then they're going to slowly catch the cup again. Dude, I love the cardio reference because I hate cardio. And I'm just like, go ahead. Go ahead. Run. Good for you. That's why you train to fight. So you don't have to run. Right. Maybe you end up running all the time anyway. So, I think I have an interesting point, though.

like, you know, if you are that PhD professor, I mean, how disappointing to get to the end of that and then realize that you just, you sit on a throne alive. Yeah, it's like, it's like going clear in what's the Scientology. Yeah, it's like going clear. You finally get to the top and realize it's. It's a sham. Yeah. Right. The whole thing is a, you know, and a lot of those guys aren't that way. Like, I mean, you know, that's not broad brush the whole education system. A lot of those guys are open. That's why it's starting to change and things are. more being said. But yeah, I can't imagine. But by the time you've vested that much time, you would be Zawi Hawass. Not only do you disagree, but you were staunchly against everything. We're not going to let you end to study it. If this is what you're going to do with the privileges we give you, then we're not going to let, unless you play on our team. And that's kind of the way they've been. It's, dude, it's Twitter. It's social media. It's like unless you, unless you have the same opinion, then you can't come in and the echo chamber, then we're just going to not let you

talk. Well, the weird thing is, is like, people know the information because you always hear those stories of like Steve Jobs didn't give his kids iPads. And the top medical doctor didn't vaccinate his kids or something like that. You always hear those stories of the people who do know the information. They're not publicly promoting that they know the information, but they're, if you dig a little bit, you find out they don't even believe the own BS that's pumped into the system. And I think that point right there is what we were talking about at the very beginning of why do they suppress history back then is I think they knew it just didn't get them paid. I think how much easier it would be to suppress the information back then compared to

now. Right. You didn't have this information age of your fingertips, right? Yeah. I mean, you get sent by a pony express. It's getting there slow. Somebody had to walk and hand it to somebody else. Probably illiterate. Couldn't even read or write. So you'd be just like, oh, no, that's a. And to be honest, why would they care? Those people are struggling to survive. They're trying to get food. They're trying to get them. You're talking about barely after the age where people were even getting electricity into their home. Food wasn't even safe to eat till later in the 20s. I mean, seriously, the things that they put in it were not safe to eat. So at the time, it was ideal to suppress any kind of information. And I think that goes hand in hand with the giants. Because

how would it, we all know big people. I have a cousin at six foot seven, three hundred and eighteen pounds. Dude, I'm five eight. You ought to see me next to him. I think he eats that much. And that's a big dude. Big dude. But then there's dudes like you see seven foot taller. Like if you don't understand what we're talking about when you say giants that are 12 foot, go to a basketball game. It don't even have to be like NBA. Just go to a local college and look at the size of those men.

Now imagine those men with six more foot on them, five more foot on them and roughly 200 more pounds. Wow. Like you wouldn't know what to do when you saw something. Carrying an axe. Yeah. Better, yeah, I picture like a big Dungeons of Dragons dude with a giant beard, you know, stuff braided in it like human skulls and walking. Yeah, that's what I picture. Well, here's the interesting thing. So Luke and I kind of grew up in the church and, you know, the Bible talks a lot about this stuff. And, you know, I never heard about this growing up in the church, you know? So it's really weird because it's like the giants is a huge narrative of the Old Testament.

And it's, I'm not till when I'm 38 years old that I finally hear. about this. And I'm like, okay, all these preachers who said they read their Bible and they knew scripture, why did you skip over these verses? I thought you knew your Bible. You're supposed to talk about this stuff. And that... I've been in here every Wednesday. Yeah, I know, right? Everyone be showing up the church in high school. Bible said it'd be sold out, right? Exactly. So, I mean, you see it in the church all the time. I mean, I would say 99% of church services, most churches. I mean, I'm throwing a number out there

making this up, basically. But it feels like, I mean, I was a part of a lot of that stuff growing up. Camps Crusade. Went to youth group, went to summer camps. I was all in that realm. Never heard about the Giants. And it's the same thing with academia.

It's like seminaries don't talk about that stuff. I'm like, it only helps make the Bible valid. Yeah, absolutely. Why would you not want to bring this into the story? What do you think about that stuff? Like, it seems like, you know, you have this closed-minded stuff in academia and also the church won't talk about it. I don't know.

Something about the Giants. It almost feels like to me like there's some nefarious higher being, whether it's Satan himself, who's like, we're going to keep this under wraps. No one's going to know about this. I mean, it almost feels like that to me sometimes. Like that might be an easy explanation, but it's like I don't understand how it's just even the church skips over it. A means to an end. I know exactly what you're saying, because I thought the same thing. I spent a lot of time in church as a kid.

And it wasn't until later until I started reading about the Nephilim and all that. And I was like, why weren't they talking about this? I did not. I'm going to go ahead and voice it. I did not spend a lot of time in church. Heathen. Go ahead and point fingers. Yeah.

We'll pray for you. We'll pray for you. I appreciate it. Trust me. Right. I wish the preacher would have focused more on the Nephileem and all those stories of time. He had no idea. Yeah. No idea.

Does that make... Yeah, I'm the same way. I don't get it. Does it make you more interested in the Bible or more interested in that and having those conversations? Or is it just you think of those people like, ah, they're missing an opportunity? I would say it probably makes me a little more interested, sure. Yeah. Because now, you know, what I thought were just stories like the story of David and Goliath.

I thought that was just like a metaphor for a battle. It turns out, well, now, now knowing what I know, he seriously could have really fought a real giant. And he had four brothers. And then the guy part gets skipped out. There's a bunch of giants running around with the Philsteens as mercenaries. Right. When you start looking into the other stories, then you have to start allowing the other books of the Bible in. And I think that's why they stop it. Yeah. I think that's why they actively are like, eh, because if you're going to let's let let Mary's part in and Enoch's part in. And we don't want everybody to start looking about, you know, big flaming wheels in the sky. And maybe he went to like, yeah, we can't have that. I didn't even

know. Let's leave that out. I was kind of, I didn't even know that there were other. books that weren't included in the King's James version of the Bible when I was a kid. That's not openly shared too while you're in the in the house like that either. They don't want to let you know that. You know that it was decided at the council of Nicaea, which books they would keep. And then it blows that up is when they find history. And they find the Dead Sea Scrolls and you're like, wait a minute. So the first century BC, the ascents are reading the book of Enoch.

So it's not post-gospels. It just wasn't around in Nica. Well, I guess they could do another council. I mean, the Ethiopians got it. They got it in their Bible. Yeah. I think back then the reason they did a lot of that, though, is they didn't want people to ask too many questions.

Well, you hit it on too. They also might not have been intelligent enough. Most of them may not have been literate. That's why church was church. That's why you would come and gather to listen to the gospel being read is because no one read. People did know how to read and they didn't have a gospel. Then we get down the path of Martin Luther and all of this.

They're talking about the control of information too. If you have an illiterate population and then, and then, you know, a few select people. And I think it still happens today. I don't think we're looking at anything different, right? It's that there's this. What's happening today? It's happening today. There's this, there's this information. Except people are more literate and they're just more willing to consume. Yeah, they really are. And because we all have 30 second, you know, attention spans too. I'm sorry, what? Yeah, right? Exactly. It's like, all I do is read headlines. Well, it's like, well, there you go, pal. Just clicking. Right? Yeah. Well, it sounds like we're talking about

gatekeepers, right? There's gatekeepers of information and whether it's church, academia, politics, governments. They funnel it all down. And when they can control the flow of traffic, they can charge a fee at the door, right? Yeah. And so, but I mean, it seems to me like, so podcasting is just blowing the wheels off of that.

Anyone can pick up. Certain things. Look at all the true crime podcast that have helped solve the crimes. I love, that's how I got into podcasts. I love true crime. So I still banjo. And look at the ones. There's a bunch that's helped solve the mysteries.

Yeah. And brought people and brought that information back out. So, yeah, I agree. think that it's I think we're doing it too without realizing everybody in let's talk let's talk about this real quick thing because I'm an ancient history guy like you guys are especially alternate what are the most compelling you think as far as I don't know I can say conspiracies but like discoveries or rabbit trails as far as ancient ancient history and alternate history that you guys have come across and in your you know what 10 years of podcasting and what has been most like

paradigm shifting you talk about the sphinx I mean I read through all that stuff too and it's a amazing to understand that like I really believe now that we're looking at old old stuff that was just repurposed right and so that was a paradigm shift for me because you're like how the Egyptians build all this stuff like you know we talked we had an old episode on the pyramids and it's like 2.3 million blocks and they have to do every so often 24 hours and we can't recreate some of this stuff today because every three minutes wasn't that what it was something like that you something like something crazy like that right so for you guys in this journey of 10 years what's been the most compelling paradigm shifting stuff that you guys come across. Choice Hotels get you more of what you value. Comfort in, it's calling your name. Save on the stay. Oh, and free waffles are yours to claim. Book direct at storesotails.com.

There's two things that I think of for me, and it was, I remember as a kid watching Jock Cousteau and watching him with all the film, and I loved his accent. I loved the way he narrated his show. and watching him film some of all the old megaliths and things that are carved that are underwater right and you're talking about some of them are great depths two 300 feet they may be underwater and you know i'm not knowing until you're bringing this up you know as far as the

ancient history thing i always bought into the story until you start listening to what randle carlson had found and when he found you know as far as the ice shelf and what could have happened with the striking of the asteroid and the flash thawing of billions of gallons of glacial water and how these things cause the rising of the sea levels and how they caused a lot of the what we believe took billions of years may have only happened in a very short amount of time actually the catastrophist when you look at that and you start thinking about it what got me was I looked at the underwater monuments in a different way as the fact that those were built and

that the people that built them were living there happily when the waters rose. I mean, you can imagine they said in some places the waters could have rose over a hundred foot in less than 24 hours. So we're not talking, you know, 100 foot up the shore. We're talking 100 foot with vertical elevation. As it go, you know what I'm saying? Is it comes up. So I looked at that and I was like, man, so it wasn't like a slow shift of this or that is like that stuff was built and was put there, not like, because you're not going to hold your breath and dive down and carve. So I'm thinking about all the things that were there when there was less water in the ocean. And you think about like if you could just back up and drain the ocean back down, 400 foot all around every coast, let's say, in the world.

Imagine at the amount of acreage that was there. Imagine at the things that were built because we have places now along our coastlines. They get wiped out like they didn't even exist and it's things that we've built. So now imagine you've built stuff out of mud or sticks or handstack stones and it's not all carved. So the only things that survived were the very large, very important monument at that time. So there may have been civilizations of tens of thousands of people overnight, swept into the ocean, never to be seen again. Yeah, and we see that all the time with Google Earth now being a thing where people just sit at home all day long and just go through Google Earth. And everyone's like, oh, I found this.

And then I posted it on the internet. and the next day I went back and it's all blurry now. But in college, I did take underwater pyramid building, so I just want you to know that. Yeah, BB stacking. Yeah, he was in that. But it's like, you know, we brought on this lady Mary Joyce, and she goes through Google Earth and finds all these underwater structures, and she said there's huge ones off the coast of California, actually, near Catalina Island.

And lo and behold, there's all these giants found there. Yeah, Caledite Island has a giant history. Because I have a feeling. Of course, this is just me, that we have seen the rise and fall of advanced civilizations four or five times, maybe more. I mean, Mother Nature is undefeated. There's only two winners in this life. Mother Nature and Father Time. You can't beat either one.

It doesn't matter. So they're all undefeated. Bigfoot seems to be able to, he's got an end with Father Time. That's if it's a true flesh and blood creature. Right. Is it part Nephilim? That gets, yeah, and that gets into a whole other thing. Hey, now you've got to ask him, Nate.

I mean, this is our question. What is Bigfoot, guys? What is he? We ask every guess. Like, what is Bigfoot? I know we're on the tangent here. This is what we do. I know.

When I'll say, when people ask me that all the time, and along the joke that's on our show all the time, is it depends on what day of the week you ask me. It's constantly changed my mind. Like, I will literally wake up and read a story or something, and I'll be like, oh, it's 100% real. Why can't we find any bones? Like, what's going on? And then the next day, I'll be like, no, it's impossible. It's not real. There's no way it can be real.

My mind when it comes to Bigfoot is constantly changing. You hear the stories if it looks like an ape. You hear stories if it's really just a Neanderthal or some type of devolved human. You hear all different types of things. And then there's, like you said, it starts getting even wackier with like they're associated with UFO sightings. People talk about it being able to jump to a parallel universe. It seems to be, of all the cryptids, I mean, big. Bigfoot is probably the most confusing, I would think.

I don't know what Bigfoot is. For it to be the most well known and the most openly accepted across the board, so much so that they use it in cartoons. They make movies for kids. They make Jack Lynx, you know, beef jerky commercials. For all of that, it is still one of the most confusing things. Because you'd be surprised the number of people that you ask about it that have no idea. Yeah.

They just know what it was as far as like the joke. you know, they don't really know because they don't look, because it's just that. It's more of a novelty these days than it is anything else. And you would really think that we would find. Why do so many people see them? Yeah, nailed down hard evidence. But we don't find nailed down hard evidence. You need a body.

I feel like the tabloids are propaganda. You know, they put Bigfoot on the tabloids to make you think that it's all a joke. And then it seems like it's just disinformation, you know. Could be. There's people. be from all over whether you're if you're in australia it's the yowie if you're in china it's the year and if you're in russia it's the all mosty if you're in british columbia it's you know saskatch or skunk i think it should be all masty all the time it just it just sounds like it

all masty is a good word yeah i mean that sounds like a great description from like the ural mountains i mean it's a different type of white person those are tough people's yeah so i can only imagine their big feats would be tough yeah you got to be Yeah, because that place is a different place. That's a rough. I also find interesting guys that, like, because this is in an alternate space, you got people that have, you know, spend their lifetime researching this creature and come to different conclusions and to the grave, different conclusions.

But I think it's fascinating because there's not a lot of other subjects out there where people are like, oh, this is my thing I study and this is my conclusion. And to have it be such a variety of weirdness to, I mean, it's all weird at the end of the day. you think it's gigantipithecus or some kind of like human hybrid or it's an it goes between it goes between you know dimensions aliens drop it off right and he drives the UFO but these people I mean spend time research this thing they all come but different which I think is fascinating different conclusions it's not like you have a consensus I feel like like you like you would study in other things I mean whatever it may be while we history is a great example we have this defined narrative

of things this is what it is This is how it happened. Then you have the alternate stuff where you're like, okay, this doesn't make sense. But I feel like those factions kind of will align, whereas this is just like it's a free for all. I think it's, and you nailed it right there, is other things can be close to that. You could use the exact same terminology or the exact same track with religion. It's studied. It has been taken.

But the one thing is, it has a base to start from. There's not even a base to start from with this. because we don't have any physical evidence that we can guarantee for sure this is what this is and where we can take the next step. So that's, I feel that that's where it comes from. And that's what makes it so frustrating is you got people that, like you said, is it driving the UFO? Does the orbs bring it in? Does it slip in and out? And all these different shapes, they leave tracks. Right. Lots of circumstantial evidence, right? The footprints and casts and you've got people that got poop in the freezer like Ken Walker.

Yeah, I mean, you got, we got, I got scat, you know, I've seen his, I've seen where he beds down and you're like, well, none of that stuff is. Sierra sounds, yeah. Those things are so mad at each other. You're like, what are they doing? Those are samurai talking? Yeah, I think they just speak a hundred times faster than we do. They're just quicker. I have read a story took place in the Sam Houston National Forest that a person had talked about on the lone star trail.

It's like a 96 to 100 mile, a little through hike trail all through the Sam Houston. and the person was talking about being in their tent about three o'clock in the morning heard two what sounded like two things walking so you can always tell a biped for some just the cadence at which it walks right heard two bipeds come past this person in their tent and said that it sounded like a cross between Russian and Chinese being spoken and that you could tell this the way it was is it was almost like you could feel it was talking about this person that they had heard, you know, or that they knew were there.

I don't know, man. It's, I guess that's probably why it really, and I always say that the Faye are my favorite because I like the little people of the woods. And then you find all the stories of the little people that have been, you know, well, hell in Tennessee. They hide easier. They're harder to find.

They're harder to find. They're harder to find. You and Nate, dude, Nate is obsessed with the little people. This is like. Luke razzes me. every episode that I love the little people. He brings it up. It's like one of those things.

It's like one of those inside jokes, I feel like where you got to, you always have to bring one thing up and just like, but bringing into conversation. Like maybe I can get through, I worked in TV for a while. And so when we did TV, we always had the guys that work with be like, maybe we can just slip this in.

Something funny, inside joke, but make it seem natural, right? I bet you I could say this and slip it in. Come on, yeah. That's what we do with our show and little people. But Nate actually has an unhealthy obsession with little,

the fate. We used to do that in band interviews when you were getting interviewed. We just get asked the same questions. We'd always have these inside jokes and we'd try to slip them into the interviews. It was like Super Troopers. It's like you play the Meow game, right? I said, come on, meow. Yeah.

Now, meow, listen, meow. Am I jumping around all nimbly, pimbly? Are you saying I'm a kitty cat, meow? Dude, I love it. Well, you guys bring up a good point. Okay, so you tell us a story. You've been listening to Bigfoot stories for a decade. And I know there's two or three that are stuck with you guys.

I know there's a few that are just like, you can't forget them. Yeah, what are those? I mean, that's what I want to know. I already know where Cam's going to go with here, so I'm going to do mine. You're right. I've heard every story you could possibly think of. I've had hundreds of thousands, not hundreds of thousands, but hundreds or thousands, emailed to the show over the years.

I've been to the conferences. I've talked to people. I've met people. I've heard all these stories. But the one that stuck with me the most was an old rancher that I've known since I was a little kid. you know, probably seven or eight years old. And he lives not far from our town, has a bunch of land. He's a big rancher, like I said. He's old. He's probably 80 now. Still alive. And I remember distinctly, he found out what I was doing with the show. And he pulled me aside one day. And he told me that he saw a

big foot one day out there at his ranch. And what was shocking to me wasn't that just the story wasn't shocking. I mean, it was just like when he were on average run of the mill things. He was looking saw something walking in the field, thought it was, there's one of his cows or something, got some binoculars and then watched it for a few minutes and, you know, he didn't know what, he didn't know what it was, never really said. Nothing said something to his wife, his sons. But when he was telling me the story, he was like, Kyle, it can't be real, but I saw it. He's like, I know how crazy this sounds. And then he would tell me some more. And he would always stop and just say, like, I know how crazy this sounds. It was like he wasn't willing to admit it to himself.

And this wasn't like, I've met people at conferences that they're obviously trying to sell a book or t-shirts. They're trying to cash in on the Bigfoot thing or I'm a researcher. There's no reason for this guy to make it up. No reason whatsoever. In fact, you know, I was glad that he came forward and told me. So for me, I know it's not an exciting story for the listeners out there. But for me, that was like a heartfelt moment from a person I know was genuine. This person, you know, been through a lot in his life, not somebody that would just make up a Bigfoot story.

And so when people like him, I've met others that I didn't know, but had really heartfelt stories, it's stuff like that and people like that and stories like that that that I hear that keeps me. Those are the days where I'm on, I believe it's real days because there's no reason for him to make it up. And even if it was imagined, like say they were on some new experimental blood pressure medication that causes you to hallucinate or they're just wiring. It's not right. And they thought they saw big foot, but they really didn't. Either way, the effect that it has on them is exactly the same. Their lives are forever changed because they believe they saw a Sasquatch, whether it terrified them, whether they were

just more curious, whether they felt a kinship with nature. The effect is the same, whether it's real or not. And so I don't try to judge people. I just like to listen to their stories. But that old rancher, that's one of my favorites. Do you feel like naturally you're kind of a skeptic or do you feel like that, because there's some people that just believe. They don't need a lot. They just believe. Okay. I wouldn't say, for me, naturally, I'm a skeptic.

Okay. I think that's why there are a lot of days where I don't, I don't, I just can't get myself to wrap my head that it's a real thing. But then. Until you see one. I've got to see a physical. I've got to see one. I really need to see like a dead one.

Like, I need to see the body. You don't want one peering in your window at night. Then we'll see a dead way. No. And then, and then I'm just. They will see it. peers in my window we'll all get a good look at one. Yeah.

That's another. You guys can retire. That happened. You can retire for real when that happens. Right. And so that's another big argument we always talk about. It's like it's almost one of those things where I want Bigfoot discovered, but then I don't because then the magic's gone.

Yeah. Like that's half the fun. Well, then just move on. There's dog man and goat man. Yeah, see, dog man. Don't. Then you just get abducted. You know, all those things you can look forward.

I don't want no part of that deduction. After they started releasing all that stuff with the aliens are real and the government's talking about. Yeah, I don't, I'm out. So tell them, tell them your, okay, my favorite one. So we interviewed a fellow, we'd probably only been podcasting, what, two months when we got Gary? Early, yeah. So Gary Christensen, and I really, I should know, I should have checked up on him and all. I don't even know if Gary's still alive.

He was old whenever we had spoken to him. And Gary was a field, uh, invariable. investigator for the BFRO down here in Texas. And so Kyle actually, Kyle actually went to his house and got to talk to him some and hang out. And then Gary come on the show and we were talking about it. So Gary, I asked him. I said, would you tell me, you know, what's one of your favorite stories about Bigfoot? He told this and it instantly became my favorite. And I, like I said, it's one of those things that took place in either North or South Dakota. But he had gone up there for a family get together and was going to, I think, do some pheasant hunting while he was up there and whatnot. And this had been, probably 15 or 20 years before he was even on the podcast, maybe 15 years or so. And so while he's up there, they knew that they had found out about him being involved in the Bigfoot stuff and all that. And they said, well, you need to go talk to so-and-so, this woman or whatever, that had gone to school there and asked him about the Bigfoot they saw when they were when they were kids. And he was like, okay, that sounds awesome. And he was like, you know,

what makes it so unique? He's like, well, it attacked a group of kindergartners at their school. And he was like, oh, okay, I'm down. I'm going to go, this out. So he goes and he asked the lady, he was, you know, find her and he's like, you know, what happened? And she says, all this thing, you know, we were out on the playground and this bigfoot came up out of the, out of a creek bottom and said, you know, we're all out there playing. Everything's great. And of course, this back in the day, there's no fences around the playgrounds at school. I mean, this is way back before you even wear helmets. Like, who even knew what that was.

So he comes up out of the, the creek, and they said the bigfoot's roaring and banging around and grabs like a stump, pulls it out of the ground, throws it over by the the kids raising all kinds of ruckus. The police show up. There's gun play, gunfire at the Bigfoot, and the Bigfoot flees off into the back country. And he said, man, does anybody else? And she's like, oh, yeah.

And she gives a few more names. And he ends up talking and gets the same story from these kids. They're terrified. Yeah, they're kindergartners, first grade kindergarten, I believe. And they're in their 40s at this point. And they're like, they're freaked out. And then he finds out you need to go talk to the teacher. She's still alive, still lives here.

Go talk. So Gary nails it down, goes to talk to her, gets it, you know, knocks on the door, makes them, you know, the meeting and says, this is what I'm here to talk to you about and all that. And she kind of laughed. And she goes, why would you want to talk about that? And they go, well, you know, because of the way it impacted everybody, what you was involved in. And she was like, no, it was a joke. It was a joke for Halloween.

And he's like, excuse me? And she goes, it was the principal. He was in the suit. Oh. And he goes, he's still alive. So he gets the principal's address and contacts him and goes to the principal's office. So all this plays out over a series of days. And he goes to the,

oh, the principal's office. It tells you how many times I've been in trouble. That's a 40 and slip. Get your button on there. There's a home office. Yeah, right? All the time.

And so he goes to the principal's house and starts talking to the fellow. And the man comes out and tells him. He was like, that was all done for Halloween. We contacted the police. We got it all. up. They came up with blanks. I was in the suit. I was throwing the stump. We'd already took it loose and everything. We were just trying to scare the kids for Halloween. The teachers were playing

along. And Gary looked at him and goes, did you ever tell the kids? And he was like, nah, never really crossed my mind. He goes, you know how damage these adults are? He's like, there are people that refuse to camp have never gone into the woods again since they were in kindergarten. Nightmares continually for years that this thing is out there. And that the cops couldn't kill it and all this stuff. And so Gary went back and explained and handed out phone numbers like, you're calling. He'll tell you. Call your old teacher. She'll tell you. And pretty much laid the whole thing out. And that goes back into exactly what Kyle had touched on in his story. It doesn't matter if it's real or not. If you believe it's real, it has the exact same effect.

It doesn't matter. So these people were hoaxed. And for 35 years, that's what they believed, only to be told. That goes back to what we talked about early. as a professor you've spent 35 years learning one thing how you're going to change your mind just because one guy I told you even the guy that's involved the guy that's responsible comes and said hey look it was all a joke real easy for them to go no I don't believe you that is my favorite bigfoot story yeah that is a great one that is great and you know what it raises so many questions yes because like the other day you know we get a lot of emails and messages now we're starting to kind of get a lot of traffic of just stuff people send to us

and someone sent us a flat earth link and I thought, you know, I've never actually looked into this. I'm just curious. So I watched a little thing. And in my mind for a second, I thought, this would be a great analogy you talk about on the show. What if, and I've never looked into this and I do not believe this is true,

but what if the earth is flat? And we've all convinced ourselves it's round. And what if one day it comes out? I don't think it will. But you know what I'm saying? Like, it sounds insane to 99.9% of people. But my point is,

when you think about it in that perspective, because I think there's way more evidence for Bigfoot, and there's thousands of stories, and there's physical cast and all that stuff. But I'm just saying, like, if you think about it for a second, it makes you feel vulnerable. It makes you feel like,

man, I could be really wrong about something that I believe is true. Absolutely. I think that the reality is we all are vulnerable, and we create these stories and these ideas to make you feel safe. When you die, you're going to go to a better place.

You're going to walk down the street of gold with your grandpa and your first pet. Like all the, no one knows that that's going to happen, but it makes you feel better at night. Or you think that someone's looking out for you or there's no monsters in the woods. You know, I think we create these beliefs so that we don't, like you said,

don't feel vulnerable. In reality, we're all very vulnerable. I can be killed in a car wreck on the way home from this recording. You just don't know. But you can't live your life. you know, terrorized by all the time. I mean, there's things flying by the planet all the time. We're literally in a shooting gallery. And all it takes is one of those objects to hit the earth.

And it's back to the Stone Age. And yet we spent this whole year, a majority of us living in fear. Uh-huh. Not down here, but I mean, everybody else. Not here, not here either. No, but the irony of that, though, is right. You're right. Right. And everything we have is digital now. Like, when I was a kid, you had a photo album. You could go through the album. Mom kept a kept a. underneath the coffee table. You could look at pictures of when you were at your fifth birthday. Now everything is digital. All it takes is a giant solar flare and everything's erased.

Right. Except for those baby pictures, those nude baby pictures from the, you know, from Polaroids. From the early 80s, right? I'm like, dude, they'll survive. Solar flares are a real thing. It's not a question if this is going to happen again. It's definitely going to happen.

It's just when. You don't know. Same thing with asteroid. Same thing with comets. But the exact opposite could be true, right? Like, you know, you could walk on the streets of gold one day. You could. You don't know.

That's the point. That's why I say I don't know. That's why there's Pascal's Wager or whatever that, like, you might just want to believe it because if it turns out to be true. I don't know if that's a good way to reason to believe in something. You know, I was just kind of going through the feed and looking to the flatter thing, and people believe that thing. I think people believe in flatter. You know, Kyrie Irving. Caii came out and said he believed in it.

Well, I think it has the most hardcore followers. Yeah, they're very hardcore. You can be hardcore and unintelligent the same time. There's a lot of those. It's okay. But the flatter thing just kind of, what am I wrong about? You know, like, what am I so convinced about that I could just be flat out wrong? Moonland.

I'm 50-50. He loves to just drop those. He looks like, hey, watch this. I don't know. What are you guys thing? As long as we're talking about flat earth, that would be hand in hand. Flat earth gets him wound up because his father graduated from Penn State with a degree in surveying. And so his father was a survey.

Yeah. For how long? Long, 37 years. Yeah. So that was always the joke because I'm like, I'm sure if it was flat, he'd have picked up on it sooner later. But earlier in the podcast, you were saying that, you know, these academics are the most susceptible because like the Egyptologists. But it is just mad. Right. That's absolutely true.

Basic, pretty basic, really. You're spot on with the flat earthers being very defensive. Yeah. But I think that kind of feeds into tribalism. Very much. Which is like a built-in part of humans. There's like, I think that the flat earthers, like that's their tribe. And the people I've talked to that are part of that group, they like the idea of knowing something that no one else knows.

Even if it's not real. Like that's what that's their angle, right? is, oh, you guys are all fools. You guys are so stupid. You don't even realize you're being lied to. They're like hipsters, right? They're like, I got this band. You don't know about it.

That's a really good analogy. Yeah. All these hipsters are just flat earthers. That's it. And tighter pants. Yeah. But we've had people like, why don't you ever talk about it? Or you need to look into it, you know, man, it's just trigonometry.

And like, they throw all this stuff at you. There's also, there's no win. You couldn't win. If you, when you go down those paths, there's certain paths. What's the old ass? It's never getting an argument with a pig. I mean, it's that same thing. There's no winning that.

Yeah. So what's the point? It's a belief system. And so that's it. If that's the way you want to believe, if it makes you happy, believe that way. It's like you need to have sort of an open hand belief, right? Yeah.

You know, you want to hold the bird in your hand and you want to close it tightly and say, this is what I believe. But it's like, I want it to sit there, but I also want to have this other part of me that's free to fly away. and when I was thinking about hipsters, Luke, it's veganism, right? Hipsters and veganism, they kind of go together with that whole cultish thing. That's right.

They can have that. CrossFit. But I just got to say, though, I love that you guys have been podcasting for a decade, and both of your stories, really, like, one of them is kind of a gag joke. And the other one's just like this sweet old man kind of almost in tears telling you a story. It's not this epic story of Bigfoot came out, and there was ten of them, and they were ripping each other's heads off. And we've got them.

Oh, we can tell you, dude, I can tell you some crazy and so can Kyle, crazy stories. Yeah. But those aren't the ones that stick with you. Right. And that's what's so weird. Yeah. Yeah, is it's the ones that they're very moving. Like he's talking about, I have a friend of mine and I had talked about with little people

who actually had a siding of small Native Americans multiple times in South Texas and Southwest Texas down in. How small? the 24 inches 18 to 24 inches it's like ended in the cupboard exactly yeah yeah exactly that's exactly that's and that's what old grown not like chubby like like no it literally looked like you had taken from the way he described it to me and the way i envisioned it was it's like you have taken the most noble warriors the braves that you had seen in paintings any of the most noble ones and you have shranked them down to about 18 to 24 inches tall and that's what he in care that That's what he came to within about 20 foot of was those.

But he actually had seen how many some things missing. I think it was two or three. I think it was three that he was making shoes. So what happened was this? He was hunting down there. Yeah, he's hunting down in southwest Texas. And he said he wanted to get on this place forever on this dear lease. And he's still on it now.

I've actually been on it. That's one of the things that you don't really tell it was like, I know exactly where this is at. But where he was at, he said he was, he was down there. There was some things went missing. out of like a shed that they had and where they kept four wheelers

and more corn and just gear. And he said, but it wasn't things like you would imagine. He said it was like the lid off of a spray paint can. He was like, I think one of the sockets went missing. And that was always a joke. It's like a, what is it, a 10 millimeter? Well, something like that's always the one that's missing. And it's something like it sounds like they're building a hot tub.

Exactly. When we have a paint can. Yeah. And so it goes on like that where he had these things go missing. And then during one of the turkey seasons he was out there, he had seen like what he thought was toddler footprints by a little concrete water trough in the middle of nowhere. And these little footprints led from a watertrough off into some grass and then he lost the tracks. And he was like, is somebody's kid out here lost?

You know, so then he goes to look and never finds anything. One day he's hunting one late season, like late December, early January, see something on the neighbor's place, starts glassing it off into a valley, thinks it's havelina, maybe raccoon, something along those lines. and sees three little tiny Native Americans wearing stuff, like wearing furs and carrying things and, you know, like little walking sticks. One of them looks a little older and they're way out in the other place. Of course, he's bow hunting. And he watches them go up this ridge where he had seen animals move up these trails

and then go off. And he's like, what did I just witness? And this was like every couple of years. And then the last one was during a spring turkey season. He's calling and trying to get in on some tombs. And he said he pulled his decoys and slipped off. off into a creek. And, you know, when they flash flood, then they're full of silt in the bottom, right?

So then when there's no water down there, it's just super quiet. So you can just run down through. They're not making any noise. And it's low enough that he could kind of duck down a little so he could move out of the side of the turkey. He's trying to get way around in front of them, set up his decoys, call them to him. He said he's working his way. He's full camo, working his way down through there.

And he said he turns a little bend in the creek and at 20 foot up on the creek, up on that dry creek bank are the natives standing there. And he said, I kid you not, they looked like they had on, like had little bows and arrows. One of them had like a rabbit with, it's like the lashing around its feet, like a crossbody strap. He's like one of them had something on like a necklace. And he said, I swear it had to be that damn socket. I know that's what it was. And he was like, you know, and he goes, I guess maybe the cups, the lid was a cup.

I don't know what it was. But he said, I froze and they froze. And he said, I'm 20 foot from. him. And he said, I'm there long enough. He said, I'm talking, this is 10, 15 seconds, maybe where he's like, I'm looking at him. I don't know what to do because he said, this is a real, real quiet guy. Like this dude doesn't talk about, it was his wife that ended up making him tell me about this whole stuff. He said, it makes you second guess everything that you know in your life, everything that you've ever been taught, everything that you've

ever thought of. It changes everything that very day. Because this. there's something in front of you that should not be there. And your whole life you've been taught this. And now here it is. And he said, all he did was look. And he said, they were froze just like. And he said, he just kind of nodded at him and just kept going. He said, I just went back to my hunt.

He goes, except I went out of the creek and went all the way back to the house, packed up all my stuff. And he said, he said, I got gone. He was just, he said he just one of those deals, he couldn't be around anybody. But he also said the guys that hunted with him, none of them. None of them ever said anything about it. It wasn't until a few years later, one of them had kind of made an inside joke about maybe he had seen or witnessed something. But he has told me from that encounter in the creek that he is, that he has never seen another track.

He's never seen. Nothing's gone missing. He said, it's like, when they knew we were there, they left. And he's like, it bothers it. Still to this day, he's like, I feel like I'm the one that ran them off of their place just because they saw me there. but he was like, dude, what I saw it doesn't make any sense. What I saw it doesn't make any sense.

It's an insane, and I'm sitting in his living room. He's telling me this. I'm sitting on the couch. He's in his chair. He's looking at me telling me this up on his, and he's like, dude, this is what? And I'm like, man, I can't. What am I supposed to do with this? Yeah. I mean, you just describe Nate's dream scenario.

He's going to spend his whole life. Let's hope when this happens to it. That's literally the first little people's story I think I've ever heard. So it's impossible that I love these things. I mean, it's wild. That is incredible. And that's the difference between these creatures and Bigfoot is Bigfoot's always naked. He's just out there in his fur and he don't care.

But these things clothe themselves. And supposedly the ancient giants that are still walking around some of these places that come out of the ground are also wearing clothes. So the little people wear clothes. Bigfoot won't. The Giants will. There's some level of awareness going on. on. Like, they're like, they're legitimate little people. I've got to, you guys are in Tennessee, right?

Yeah. There is a giant gravesite with thousands of little people somewhere in Tennessee. I don't remember the name of it. Really? I'll have to find that for you. Yeah, please do. Site and send it to you. Well, I feel like your brain turns on for the first time when you turn 40 years old.

It's like, now I'm like at that age where I feel like I'm ready to re-learn everything. When you describe that guy, seeing it. those little people and the process of himself deconstructing trying to figure out what's going on what are all these things that I was told I mean the weird thing happened in reverse for me and a lot of people might have this experience I saw a werewolf creature in the in the window of my parents house as a kid it's maybe five or six and it wasn't until I was 30 something years old when I started listening to podcasts when I was like wait a minute I thought I made that up what if I what if I actually did see a dog man?

Right. Oh, the only thing I remember is the moment it happened, screaming and running, and then I remember not looking out the window for like five years when I would go from the TV room to the kitchen. So I remember the trauma, right? So either I convinced myself I saw something or I actually did see something.

You go through life and you forget it, and then you start hearing these dog man stories, and you're like, whoa, wait a minute. So some people have the reverse experience where they see something as a kid, they write it off as a childhood experience, they go on. But then it's a much different thing to be 40, 45 in the woods. You've been hunting your whole life and then you see something.

That'll screw you up. Because you don't have anything to blame it on. It's just, I saw that. I'm not high, you know? And like in your case, you kind of have to look at it as would you, a dream or a fictitious memory that you'd kind of jazz yourself up about, when we're kids, usually, not all the time, but usually doesn't have that kind of trauma associated with it. Because deep down in your subconscious, your mind knows you made it up,

right? Whether you believe it or not, because I mean, we do things all the time subconsciously. So whether your mind knows you made it up or not, it doesn't come with trauma because it knows the truth. But whenever there's some sort of stressor that's still involved with it, that always lends me to believe that there may be more to it, that your way of dealing with it at that age was to play it off as a as a feigned memory. And in reality, no, it was real. The reason that your mind played it off that way is so you didn't lose it at that point and just shut completely down.

Because my friend, in his 40s, when he saw this, had no, it was hard on him. His wife said it took two weeks before he was right. That she said that he wasn't just very melancholy and solemn all day. And this man owns a very large construction company. like that's what he's always done, his large commercial construction. And so for him to be a very, and he's a quiet guy, like I said anyway,

he's a no nonsense. He's one of those dudes. Like I always talking about he's just one of those guys that he doesn't have time for, you know, grab ass. There's none of that in his life. There's no, it's, this is, we're all business, you know.

But for him, for it to affect him that way, yeah, it's kind of like yours. It's just people have different ways of addressing it. And then you realize looking back, you're like, yeah, this might have been something. I can't imagine. I would much rather have an experience from five than I would at 40. Yeah.

So you're in this space where your brain's wired, your thoughts are wired, your beliefs are wired, and then boom. It's just, it's easier for a kid, I think, to see something like that. A hundred percent. It's like, Harry the Henderson. Oh, okay. Now back to my toys. Like, I don't, you know, doesn't really. And it may be the reason the kids have so many more encounters.

Or we talk about past life experiences when the kids are talking about it. Or you talk about the fact that they are more. we always talk about it being in tuned or more with a frequency of these things. And as you get older, you lose that ability because you're learning to be yourself or, you know, whatever. But it does seem like when we even talk about girls at a certain age seem to be more in tune with these things and also more vulnerable to evil entities or darkness or dark things that can take it over at a certain age too. So you wonder, there is an area in there where your mind is very amalienable and open to a lot of things. And what you're saying makes a ton of sense is because once it gets to a certain area,

you've kind of experienced enough to where you're finding out who you are. And then like I said, I can't imagine as much as I would love to have an experience now because of what we do, I really don't want it. And I would never share it even if I did. We've talked about that. Because you can't, a guy that talks about crazy crap on a podcast, can't go have all these cool encounters and come in without it smelling a little bit fishy. So even if I had something crazy,

like, I'm not telling them about that. Right. And another thing I'd like to point out is, I don't know if you guys get this, but like we are not crypto zoologists. We're not authorities. We're not trying to be. We're not trying to seek the truth. We just simply like sharing the stories because I think they're cool. Yeah. I'm a storyteller.

I think we like the stories, but I think we're looking. I think we like the truth. I have that like I want to know. But one thing real quick, it reminded me of Luke is the story when all those construction workers quit. the job site and right before the Patterson Gimlin film was filmed they were building roads through and and the Sasquatch was flipping the tires at night their tractor tires and there are all these tracks half the half the workers quit yeah I mean you you got to imagine those dudes are probably hefty dudes and they're they quit well because they were so afraid I go one

step deeper to that whole thing is the reason that they you wouldn't quit over something unknown You're going to quit over something that you've either heard, spoke of by the local natives that maybe you've worked with in the past or you've had an experience or you know somebody that's had an experience. There's a lot of ways to do it. I just feel like they knew more than what they were really alluding to in that whole time. I mean, we all hear the stories. I always think about the one at Mount St. Helens after the eruption. You talk about all the military men that were talking about finding these creatures, these Bigfoot, that were burnt or they were injured and the military was taken them. And they had to sign all this stuff saying, yeah, they're going here and you didn't see anything and all this.

Whether we don't know if those stories are valid or not. But either way, I mean, it's, if they were out there, that would be the best way to find them after something like that when it's burned off half the countryside. I often wonder what you could find after some of these large forest fires as they come through because they talk about them, you know, killing elk or moose or, you know, mule deer herds or wherever it's at as it pushes it in. well, they're all much faster than a biped, much faster, much more nimble-footed than a bi-ped. I don't care how, I mean, you're telling me that something that's eight-foot-tall and allegedly weighs 400 pounds can move over the land like an elk can. I've hunted them, and I don't think that there's anything on two legs can move like those things can through the mountains. I just don't see it happening. So fire, if it catches an elk, is going to catch a big foot.

So there's got to be something out there unless they're actively high-eastern. it or it's not there. Well, we always thought, we talk about too, like the idea that if you were to come upon a skeleton, you know, a skeleton itself, if they're similar to humans, that you, there's a ton of a room for misidentification. We talked about with one of our, a guy who's a taxidermist up in Canada about how you might wouldn't really be able to tell a whole lot of difference. And maybe you'd think it was human. And so you'd maybe call the authorities or maybe you'd want nothing to do with it. I've never found, or even a dead mountain line. finding an actual dead like and I don't mean killed by something I'm talking about died of old age

for all we know they go din up they go somewhere just like house you know you're talking about house pets dogs cats whatnot they would leave I mean you know they just kind of go off and that's the way it happens and I often wonder if it's that way is the reason you're not finding a dead bigfoot is because it's extremely hard to find them alive it's even harder to find them dead because we don't know what their rituals are if they have them We have to assume that they are at a high level of intelligence, that if they are there, that there is some high level of intelligence and they may have all of our good attributes and none of our bad. So like we talk about, the only thing that separates us from the animal kingdom is our brain, our ability to learn how to defend ourselves, weapons, things like that. If you took us right now, stripped you naked and dropped you off in the Rockies, how long you think you're going to last?

You don't have a knife. You don't have anything. Just naked. Just naked. Luke, how long is, how long are you going to last in the mountains? Well, I can get pretty hairy. So, I mean, maybe. Yeah.

And you look at you're like, I really am a child out here. Like, what am I going to be able to? I got a poseable thumbs, but that's all I got going for me right now, right? Yeah. You're just like, I guess I'm going to find the softest place to get eaten. I really don't know. You're like, I should have watched those survival YouTube channels. Damn.

I need to be bushcapting up here. So, so, I mean, the question is, it sounded like earlier about a few minutes ago we were talking that you guys, to me, it sounded like almost like you don't want to see a bigfoot. Like you don't want to see them now. I don't want the magic to be gone. That's me. I'm afraid that if they're discovered and it's proven that it's a scientific species and it's given a scientific name and a phylum and everything. And it can't do all the cool stuff we think it can. But would you want to have an encounter or no. To see. Yeah, I would. Yeah, for sure. Because I'd like to know. Yeah. I'm extremely skeptical about everything. I would take terror with

an answer. Yeah, I would take that. Is Bigfoot stealing people in the woods? I mean, that's another question people always ask. And I have to think of it this way. I don't think they're all the same, just like people aren't all the same. We got good ones and we got bad ones. It has to be the same way. There's got to be some real, real nefarious big feats out there. So I would think, yes. I've always, I don't even know if I should get into this. Okay. Kyle and I have discussed this at length is I was always under the assumption of if you hear there's a lot lots of time there's more men they go missing than women yes okay now i'm going to go out there with this so everybody buckle up this is crazy this crazy talk take us down the road so in my in my thinking there are times at first calf heifers if you

have a mama cow and it's the very first time she's ever cal and she gets what's known as like big bread or she is bred by a bull that is much larger than her maybe a much larger species whatever it is lots of times she can't throw that calf without help and it will kill both of them. You'll lose the calf and you will lose that. So the reason in my opinion that you can't abduct women and use Bigfoot would want to use them for breeding purposes is for that reason alone. A woman cannot give birth to a Bigfoot to help because you have to think about this now as a breeding group. This is crazy. This is my crazy person theory.

As crazy as it sounds, if you wanted to prolong your species, right and you're having problems and you already know what is it would be easier to abduct a male and have a male breed a female big foot because she could have the child then that child could go on and breed other big feet however it is and be all right allegedly maybe not maybe but it's much easier for that first generation to take the step than it would be for the male big foot to try to breed a female human and then her gestation period may not be as long or may be longer we don't know, and the size of the birth weight of the baby may be much larger than what the female human is used to giving birth to, hence the fact that she's in air quotes big bread, and you might lose both the mother and the child. I love it. I'll sign off with the crazy talk. I'll catch you all next time. I love it. I mean, just, you know, as a father watching two kids coming to the world, you do realize that second pregnancy is different than the first one. And the delivery is second. It's different the second time around. And I was very much. I was different the second time around. And I was,

right up in there and that was a crazy experience that's a whole other. It's like Little League and AAA ball, right? Or double A. Oh, man. It's like it's a whole different game now. Yeah. She is a pro. I mean, I've even had friends say that on their third or fourth kid, the wife was walking to her car and it just, the baby

came right out. Yeah. He literally caught it. Wasn't that the money python? That doesn't happen your first pregnancy. No. It doesn't happen. And also, of course, everybody, the argument is, well, there's more men in the woods and women. Oh, that's true. There's more men in prison women. There's more men doing a lot of things than women. It's just more men do dumb stuff. I get it.

That is true. The reproduction thing, that seems to be an obsession with a lot of these. It doesn't just go with Bigfoot. It goes with everything. People are being harvested for reproduction reasons. It seems like across the board. Hey, we're all, everybody here over 40, then we're good. We don't have to worry about that either, right? They're not going to take us for reproduction. Look. No, you're good until you did, man. You got to be careful. That's why I'm in the woods all the time. Come on, come get it.

Oh, don't twist my arm, Bigfoot. Don't twist my arm. I take one for the team just to know what's going on. I won't do it. I won't. You wouldn't take one for the team just to know what's going on out there. So have you heard those stories? Have you heard a story where a guy was? Albert Ostman.

The Osmond story. Yeah, the outstman story. Yeah. That we got kidnapped in his sleeping bed? Yeah. No, I mean, more like. for a few weeks. Was more like a, like forced into a sexual.

Forced breeding. No, but that's what Albert thought that they were, that's what their plans they had for him. That's what he, that's kind of what spurred the whole idea of that is, is that story when I first heard it many, many moons ago was that whole thing there. It's because he said he had a feeling that he was there for breeding purposes for the younger female. Man. So there's, the juju was in the air. He knew something was up. It was about to go down.

She had flowers in her hair. She's walking back and forth. She was bades in the creek a couple times. Twerking Bigfoot. This reminds you your cardio metaphor. Your five laps around the track and Luke and I are just trying to get a catch up right now. You know, we're just like, what's he talking about? No, it's like I'm sort of fively crazy probably.

So y'all just haven't. We've not done it for 10 years. You give it another 10 years. You're going to be insane. I know. Because I'll ask y'all a question. have you got any more answers or just more questions? I don't know.

Exactly. Yeah. That long pause means it's a lot more questions. Yeah. Because you just said earlier that you started on one and then you had to start reading on history and then that leads into the next. And you're just like, I should have never even opened this book. I think it is questions. But I want to see, like, I mean, I'm maybe with you guys, but I want to go see this stuff.

I want to go put my hands in the drill holes in Egypt. I want to see the skulls in Paracas. So I want to touch the some of this stuff. So you'd take one for the team for Bigfoot? Just to go see him and be like, yeah, yeah. I ain't going to tell you all right. No, I just know. I'm either a big guy.

Luke, you're 6-4, so they might want you. Watch out, Luke. Yeah, that's scary. How big? I'm staying in my house. 6-4. Yeah, dude, you don't need to be out there. If you'd have a hard time hiding, they're going to find you.

I better work on my cardio, I'll get a little faster. And above tree line is going to be not fun. I've climbed Mount Hood a couple times. I'll tell you, it's not fun up there. Not for a big guy. Yeah, I mean, hey. Well, you know, you guys say something that I was thinking about with Luke earlier because we always get razzed. We were getting razzed early on our Instagram.

You post a photo of something mysterious and people just like, they rip at you. Like, this is a fake. Everyone knows this is a hoax. And I'm like, dude, some fans send it in. I don't know. I phrased it as a question. Do you think we're experts on all this material? I feel like a third grader who's just learning how to write and do math for the first time.

and I'm 40 years old because there's this expanded perspectives. I mean, you know what I mean? See, see I did that? I get it. I see what you're doing there. I see what you're doing there. I'm picking up what you're putting down. I mean, we're just like, you know, we're all students right now.

Nobody knows. And the experts that come on your threads, it's just like, okay, buddy, you're the expert. Start a show. Start your own podcast. Let me know how that goes. Yeah, I agree. You should, that's not, to stay open mind. Yeah. And don't always agree even with experts.

Not with it. Well, how many times have you changed your mind over things that are just normal life stuff that you were like, oh, I thought that was, you think about eggs. How many times we've been told eggs are bad for you? Like growing up a bunch. Yeah. And eggs are bad. Now they're bad. Now they're bad. Now they're good. I'm like, eggs and egg. I don't, I don't really. So it's one of those things is I, like we said, you got to stay open minded. You try to learn every day. You try to keep up on what's going on. And let's see. and be willing to change your mind. And I wish I was as confident in my mindset and my beliefs as some of the people that, that come on and bash other people. As I'm like, man, is it because you really don't believe that? Or is it because it's attacking something that fundamentally you feel a little uneasy about? And so you're not willing to go, you know, was it to keep your enemies, your friends close, your enemies closer?

It's one of those things like you kind of got to learn. You got to read the dark side before. you can see the light side. You can't just go down one path. You got to be willing to kick over a few rocks. But some people don't like that. Some people just like you said, they want to be, they want to be right for any reason. And they want things black and white. And I think this things aren't black and white. There's a lot of gray, you know. I think also, I don't know, there's something about this space too. Like I just, I think maybe he's personally just, you want to believe there's a lot more, you know, to an extent, like I don't, not to the point where I blindly believe anything, but the more

you look in, the more you realize that there is more, I don't think you can ever then go back and just be okay with the narrative of the status quo, right? You can't unread pill. That's right. Yeah. Doesn't he ask that? You know, he's asked, can I go back? You're like, no, man, you can never go back. And yeah, I think that's it. You never go back. You know, it's funny. We have an 80s theme on our show. It's kind of we do a lot of 80s rehashes. And it reminds me of that scene in Back to the Future when he's pulling up the newspaper in the future. And it says, cholesterol cures cancer, you know? And, you know what I mean? Like, cholesterol was the heart, gave you the heart attacks. And then in the future, it's the thing that actually cures you.

And it's like, that's how doing a show like this evolves. Like, the thing you swore wasn't true in 10 years, Luke, maybe I do love the little people. You do already. You're just in denial. And that's what keeps everybody going. That'll be the same thing with you is you're just looking for the next answer. And you don't ever know. Maybe the next story or the next email you get or the next person that messages you, maybe that's going to be that breaking moment. That might be the one thing that leads to the thread that helps you figure something out. But you don't know if you quit. So that's why you just keep grinding. That's why people treasure hunt forever,

right? You're still looking for that for that mother load. That's why they play golf. That's why they play golf. You're just, it's, you're playing golf. It is okay, you've played it. But no, they can't stop. And that's the way this is. You can't stop because you get one good shot in that round and there's the hope, right? That's right. It's like a drug dealer. This one's for free. Just try that.

It's a sick. It's a sick obsession, man. I start playing golf during this whole 2020 year because nothing else to do. I will start playing more. I played before. And you just get out there enough that you're like, too, I'm starting to put together. Starting. Yeah.

And your wife's like, you know, I play golf anymore. Hey, guys, I'm in with you if you put disc and front of that. Hey, we play disc golf. Yeah, we play disc golf too. Oh, yeah. I know you guys. 2017. I see, I started play disc golf back in when I was 19 in Santa Cruz, California, where it was invented. It was like the original place of disc golf, like the grandfather, steady ed. Well, listen to the hipster over here. I like disc golf before. Anybody else did. He's drinking craft beer and talking about disc golf. I drank from the, I drank from the source, guys. He and Dave Jonapeze go way back.

But you know what killed it? You know what killed it? All the nerds, all the, like, you know, the guys would just make fun of you when you're, like, trying to figure it out. It was just this nerd culture that came with it. I'm like, ha. And that's what you, you guys are awesome because you guys have been doing this for so long. You don't seem jaded. And you're not too cool to, like, bring anyone else on or go on someone else's show or, I don't know.

No, man. I mean, there are shows out there that feel very competitive with other shows. And we've just never been that way. I mean, there is room for everybody. Let's all, we work together with so many shows. And I'm sure now we're going to be working with you. I mean, I'll hear a friend of ours who has a show, interview somebody, and I'll reach out.

Hey, can you give me their contact information? No problem, dude. Sends it over and the next, then they're on our show or vice versa. It's a whole community. It doesn't be any good. And it's a little intimidating with that power mustache, but like we got past that. Locally, dokely. Yeah.

Thank you. How you did it really doing. out there. You guys are great. You guys got your 10,000 hours in at like 12. Yeah. Yeah. To go back to that story we were telling you before, that's what got it.

The reason that I became friends with him is he's the only other person I knew that had a bow and arrow in sixth grade like I did. Because we both shot archery our whole lives. But I never knew anybody else until I bumped into him in sixth grade. And then that's where it started. You like bows? I like Bose. You like Bigfoot? I like Bigfoot. And then two sixth grade knuckleheads went crazy. And here we go.

Here you are. He's now your neighbors. He can never get away from each other. He's my son's godfather. And yeah, it's just madness. The whole thing's madness. But that's the thing. You know, podcasting chemistry takes a long time. It takes a while to kind of get your vibe going back and forth. You know, and the 10,000 hours is that book by, I can't remember. Who was that? Justin Bieber. Justin Bieber wrote that book.

What's his face? Oh, man, it's going to drive me nuts. Oh, Malcolm Gladwell? Yeah, he wrote that book. Yeah, so 10,000 hours, a lot of people don't realize, like, there it is, there it is. There it is. See? I'm like, I've listened to that.

I was like, oh, I remember the guy of the name. But you guys got it at a young age, you know, you were, you guys have been hanging out since you were talking to each other, going back and forth, and that's cool because you build that chemistry, do the show together. And we still talk every day. Like, literally two hours a day, every day we talk. It's about the show. It's about, did you read this?

Did you see that? What do you think about that? Or you can just call you up to just do dumb things. Set each other's stupid memes and stuff like that. Yeah, I like that. I try to make him laugh. So if I'm like, if I can make him laugh, because they're making each other laugh for a whole life.

So like, if I can come up with something ridiculous and get a good laugh out of it, I'm like, I'll see something. And if you talk about that chemistry, is I can be going through doing a news story a week and I can go like, I know right now I'm fixing to do something and he's going to take it and run. So I'll steer it that way and then. off toss one and I'm like, here we go. And then it just goes.

Yeah. I mean, and you guys just said you've been, you've been friends for a long time too. So that's probably why it works so well, the chemistry. Yeah, well, I mean, Luke and I, it's, we know, we knew a lot of people who knew each other. So Luke's friends are my friends. And then we kind of met through friends. So. We met Chico, like, years ago.

Yeah. I mean, years and years ago. You were playing piano. I didn't, hey, you know, I never played piano. So I think you got. someone else in mind. No, I think it was you. You were trying to get on there and, you know, you tickles ivory.

I don't play piano. I don't tickle the ivories. Playing cold play. Looking all solemn with his disc golf bag on. 100% just talking about, man, I just came from the source. Yeah, Luke and I should have been friends. We knew the same people. We're both from Northern California.

We should have been friends a long time ago. We just found each other in an old age. You found each other. He doesn't like me that much yet, but we're getting there. I have to hope for like disease or sickness or an accident, something like that. That's the only thing to get rid of this one. I think Nate's going to walk into a portal at the giant mound tomorrow. With the little people.

I'll be doing solo podcast, I'll have you guys back. Yeah, let's be me. Nate'll be. I love it. You guys are great. I want to keep talking forever. I know we could talk forever. Oh, yeah.

Now, when it comes to Sasquatch, you have to remember one is a Sasquatch, two or more is Sasquiche and the little ones are Sasquirts. that's what I'm We're learning Sass squirts That's it Cswords Yeah

You gotta you gotta start classifying them right That's right We gotta start somewhere I guess You gotta separate them as well you know Yeah that's right I learned something mood two or more Well guys thanks for having us Or thanks for coming on

Absolutely Hey look We can do it again sometime Yeah whenever Oh yeah Do you wanna plug the show real quick Why for our listeners That maybe haven't

I don't know how they wouldn't Have listened to you guys yet But if they did Sure. If you liked what we've been talking about here and want to hear more, you can always check out our show, Expanded Perspectives. You can find us on all forms of wherever podcasts are played. You can check out our YouTube channel. You can email the show. You can go to our website, expanded perspectives.com. I mean, just do a Google search. You'll find it. Really easy. All social media. Just expanded perspectives. You'll find us. They have their own disc golf bag. I'm so lazy. I got a cart. I like that. I'm going to get one of those robot carts that follows you around. If I could get that, I definitely would because I always think, like, I want to be like Rodney Dangerfield on Caddyshack. Everybody's got that thing. He's got the radio and it's got a beer tag. Yeah, that, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I think it broke my arm. It's the only way to do it. I love it. It's so funny to, like, listen to a podcast for years and you kind of get to know, like, the vibe. And then you just kind of think, well, maybe one of these days, you know, maybe we'll do a show together. You know, when I get my podcast rolling, these guys sound really cool. and it happens you know what i mean and that's you guys are great Kyle cam thank you so much for we had a blast

thanks for letting us come on and chat thanks so much appreciate it we'll we'll do it again sometime let us know and if the guy ever wants to share his little people story man we have we've had everybody talk about it and I have tried he won't oh he hasn't he hasn't talked about on your show yet no he won't I don't think he ever will yeah that's not even his real name he won't even yeah like he's not about it Hey guys, remember what Nate said he's really not into the little people,

but now he's missed it like three times at the end of the show. Solid point. I'm just saying. I'm saying, hey, we're all about empirical evidence here. And we'll, we're finding the truth. With the truth is going out of minutes. I'm passing past here. Looks right.

Looks right. You have been mentioning it quite a bit. I'm going to be, hey, guys, you know, if there's one more thing, if you, the guy, the little people guy wants to come on the show. You always make fun of the girl you really like, I guess, right? Here we go. Nate, I love you, Nate. I'm a sucker.

You've been putting it in my mind, and now I think I love the little people. I can't. I can't. Well, you guys got to let us know anything weird about the little people because apparently I love it. Okay. And your friendship is inspiring. Keep at it, guys. I hope you're podcasting when you're 87.

We're going to try. If he lasts that long. We're going to try. Yeah. I mean, if he doesn't, we'll just get a hologram. You know, by then. Kanye West did. The Tupac hologram.

Right. Yeah. I'll get two bucks in here. It'll just all be head. Look the size of this. It'll get me one giant head floating. I don't even have a neck. Right?

All beard. It's all beard. Hey, thanks so much for having us all, man. It's a blast. It's a lot of fun. Yeah. We'll make some fun promo and do silly things like we do. Yeah, we're down.

80s stuff. 80s was a good time. Oh, yeah. Good music. It was great. Good hair. Really good hair. Wish I had hair.

Parachute pants. Whatever happened to parachute pants? That's a solid question. You can't even find any at a thrift store. They're coming back. They're coming back, man. Just wait. If I could grow my hair out, I would have a dirty mullet.

They didn't leave in some place. People are like back. But they're coming back. People in Arkansas are like, what? They're coming back. They're like, man, I've been holding back. I'm holding this one, just like the firebirds. It's never left.

I'm just making a joke. I have some family in Arkansas. I always tell them that's where the toothbrush come from. Anywhere else, it'd be called the toothbrush. They don't like that. It's just jokes, people. Come on. Just jokes.

Oh, man. This guy's got jokes. Absolutely. We got years to learn that kind of humor. You guys got it naturally. I love it. All right, dudes. All right.

All right, boys. Yeah. I've got to eat some dinner here eventually. Sounds good. Thanks for having us on. It was great. Yeah, let us know. We'll share it and put it all out and tell everybody about it and the whole thing when it pops out.

You're awesome. Thanks, guys. All right. All right. It was a pleasure. See all. It was a pleasure. I don't even know how to turn this thing.

off. I'm terrible at this. That's how I'm going to end the show. I don't even know how to turn that thing back on. I really don't. Let's see. Go eat your dinner. I have no idea. Why does this work this way? I don't know.

You might see another werewolf outside of your window tonight. I definitely do not know what I'm doing with all this, this fancy stuff. I am clicking buttons. Nothing's happening. It is amazing how I could even survive. That wasn't a werewolf. window, me, Ned Flanders. That's right. Staring in, look deep into my eyes.

You're not seeing, these are not the droids you're looking for. Maybe the big X in the top, right? But I'm trying to just turn the thing back on and it's... Boy, this is some real bullsh.