Blurry Creatures - EP: 4 Sasquatch Island with Tom Sewid

Episode Date: August 30, 2020

Episode 4 is a deep dive into the indigenous world of blurry creatures. Our guest is Tom Sewid--an indigenous Native Canadian living on Vancouver Island and a Watchman for his tribe--the Kwakwaka'wakw people. Tom and his community have a unique relationship to the creature they call Dzoonakwa (Sasquatch) and he has a swath of knowledge to share with us "concrete" folks from the urban jungle. For 9 years, he lived off the grid in the Canadian wild where he had many intrepid encounters with Sasquatch. In addition to being a foremost tribal expert on the phenomenon of Dzoonakwa, Tom has also been a commercial fisherman for the last 40 years and in this episode, he shares exclusive accounts and stories he has NEVER SHARED on-air until now. Thanks for listening. Please give us a 5-star review! It helps us immensely. Guest Contact: Tom Sewid: https://www.facebook.com/groups/753712284709607 Show Contact: email: [e-mail] blurrycreatures.com Socials instagram.com/blurrycreatures facebook.com/blurrycreatures twitter.com/blurrycreatures Music Kyle Monroe: tinytaperoom.com TimeCop1983: timecop1983.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Vancouver Island. Vancouver Island. Okay, I was thinking Victoria's an island, right? Nope. Vancouver is the island. Vancouver Islands were Victoria's on. It's on the south end. Calvin Rivers on the sort of northeastern side.

Tom, I failed Canadian geography in high school, apparently. We did some research on you, and we're super happy to have you on blurry creatures. You had a really cool post that I kind of wanted to read to kick things off, to get to know you, and it was a Facebook post to yours, and it goes like this, and I'm going to read it. Sitting on the bridge during wheel shift at 340, sore hands, back and knee where I wiped out, tripping over deckpins on board. True happiness, though, the things we get to see

while traveling the British Columbia coast. Wildlife and brailer baskets full of fish, nets that bubble like a pot of boiling rice from all the salmon screaming underwater. Whales, eagles, and endless horizons with no humans. Sunsets and sunrises painting the skies in amazing colors. Yes, this is the life.

Sure sad, it's a way of life that may be all but a memory. We are fast becoming an endangered species, the commercial salmon, fishermen. Oh, we are. I'm 45 years into the industry. I was in diapers on commercial salmon sane boats. And then when I got out of high school,

I was expanded into other fisheries throughout the coast. And I've seen the good. I've seen the bad. And now I'm seeing the disaster. It's just, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, unbearable to see that we went up north and we fished.

And we made, you know, a wage where we should have made $10,000 or more for the four weeks we fished. We made about $4,000 of our lucky. And then we came home to Vancouver Island in the south. And there's no anticipated commercial fisheries for sock-eye salmon, which the Americans call silvers, or reds. And they're calling like $300,000 to return to a river where the average was 9 million fish returning every year, sometimes up to 36. million would return and now it's they're pretty much probably going to list them as an endangered species

here soon and if we don't do something then extinct species is a reds down here to Sakai. Wow. And what do you think is causing all that? Too many dam seals and sea lions too many damn granola chewing blinded by concrete dust seal huggers and sea otter

huggers that don't want anything killed and we have a complete explosion overpopulation the seals and sea lions from California right up to southeast Alaska. And I'm the president of Pacific Balance Marine Management, which is on Facebook. But it's a provincial, I guess you can say, a national push to get license for us, First Nations, Canadian Indians, to hunt, harvest, and sell seals and sea lions for everything from pharmaceutical products to meat in the grocery stores and pet stores.

And furs, of course, for the fashion people that want to wear it. So we're trying to get balanced back in our system. And it all correlates to Sasquatch, you know, like if there's no salmon, the Sasquatches are migrating right now from the alpines down into the creeks, rivers, and streams, where the salmon swan supposed to be taken place? Well, if there is no salmon, what do the Sasquatches and other wildlife have to eat nothing for this time of the year? I love it. I love when people just own their belief in Sasquatch and not even own it, but just say,

They're migrating. They're moving. How do you know they're migrating? What gives you evidence for that? Basically, I went rogue back in the early 1990s. I turned into a rogue hairless human, basically like a rogue Sasquatch. I got a Revenue Canada, which is your IRS equivalent to your IRS department in the United States. Send me a sweet little letter that said I owed $172,000 in back taxes.

I had no way of paying it. I wasn't about to declare. bankruptcy due to pride. So I looked around and no offense to the listeners and to you two, well, you got to remember I'm a Canadian Indian, but I said, I'm sick and tired of Whitey's world. I'm leaving it. I'm getting off Whitey's radar. And I walked into the bush and I stayed there for nine years. And I came out, you know, I came out the party and spent money I was making out there. I became a grizzly bear hunting guide for a fire club international clients. I lived in abandoned native village doing native cultural chores to the kayakers.

and people off yachts and sailboats. I was one of the best Indian seafood poachers the coast ever seen because I would do semi-trailer loads of fish, and I never got caught, so it gives me a good ranking. And I was a commercial fisherman. And during the winter times, I would go watch logging camps when everyone went home for Christmas and snow season and did it by myself.

So basically I went rogue, and, you know, I was at one time I walked into the bush, And I was in there for almost probably close to five months when a helicopter landed and he enticed me with a thermos of coffee and a pack of cigarettes to come close to the helicopter. And when I went there, he said, Tom, it's time for you to come home. People are worried about you. And I was apprehensive to go near him. And that's how rogue I'd went. I went total bush.

And, you know, so I know what the Sasquatch is alike. And then living out there, Sasquatches are like. white bears, white deer, white moose, white whales. You spend enough time in the bush. You're going to see, smell, or hear them. And they're just feral humans. They're just humans like me that got pissed off with society thousands of years ago and went and lived a more in tune with nature type of existence without greed, envy, hate.

Because my teachers have told me from Omaha that Sittonga, their Sasquatch, have laws, very strict laws. and others that I've spoken to. We have a bridge with some tribe members throughout Sasquatch Island, which is North America, otherwise known as Turtle Island to Indians, but I call it Sasquatch Island because we all have the stories. And there's some of us, some, not me, but some are making that and have been making it for generations,

the Diane Fossey, Jane Goodall bridge to the Sasquatches in their regions. And we learn things from them, and that's what I'm doing, is bringing that out. It's time for the non-Indian to start learning our ways so they can smarten up and say, no, we can't disrespect them. We can't shoot them. And that's what I'm all about is protecting me. Sorry to cut in.

I think that you bring up a good point in there that a lot of times, like when Luke and I are, you know, we're kind of fine this when we're talking to our friends, there's just so much skepticism. And it seems like in the native culture, it's just it's more what are these creatures? Where do they come from? There's not this huge emphasis on trying to prove that this thing exists. It's more, how do we help it? How do we live with it?

How do we protect it? Yeah, look what, you know, no offense. Why is that? Why is there this big chasm between us down here in the States and people who live closer to nature? Number one, your Bible thump and mercenaries are going to go after them and try to convert them to Christianity. Look at the damage they did to the indigenous people of the Americas and they're still doing. it. The hell they're sending missionaries to our reservations for. We don't want to have that book shoved down our throat sideways. They're going to do the same thing with the Sasquatch,

and that's why I need to educate the native people and others that, no, we're going to have to start, you know, Bible thump them when they try to come after Sasquatch, when they are scientifically proven to exist. Because trust me, if they can go to the Moldav Islands with their Bibles off in the Indian Ocean to try to convert those indigenous people that have never technically been bridged with modern humans, what's going to stop them from doing it's Sasquatches? And then you got all of our filthy rotten diseases. Look what smallpox, influenza, tuberculosis, veneral disease, alcohol and bullets did to the indigenous people of the Americas. That's why I'm trying to educate people to, you know, learn, know your history, so you're never

destined to repeat its failures. Don't send your missionaries and please don't send your general custer's into the other tribes' territory, the Sasquatches, when they do get conclusively proven to exist. Hey Tom, can we back up just a second though, just for context here? You're a native Canadian Indian from British Columbia. What is your tribe? And can you talk a little bit about that so we can, I know we've jumped into it, but I think just for context for our listeners. Northeastern Vancouver Island is the Kwokwakwak Nation. That's what I belong to. We were made up of about 23 different distinct tribes that all spoke the same language of Kwakwala. Quakwakwak means the Kwakwala-speaking people. That's on my father's side. My mother's a full-blooded Kree Indian from central Canada and Saskatchewan. So I'm mixed blood but brought up on the coast. But when you research the Kwokwakwak-Ewok, otherwise no one is a full-blood of Kro-N. from central Canada and Saskatchewan. And so I'm mixed blood, but brought up on the coast. But when you research the Kwok-Wak-Wak-Wak, otherwise no one Quagyu-Dil or Quagg-yoth, you'll find that we have the greatest connection to the Sasquatch, which we call Chuna Chonoha.

Chonahua was mixed and lost in translation to come out, meaning wild woman of the woods. It actually means like an ogre, a big, the other tribe, the hairy one, the big one. And it's our highest-ranked crest. We see it on our totem poles through this day. I have it on my shirt, one of my designs of Juna-hua. and where I am right now in Campbell River, it's a small city with the highest concentration of wood carving and other art depictions of Junach and Sasquatch in the world. Right here and most people, when I talk to them in Camber River, they scratch your head and go, dang, I didn't realize that. I'm like, yeah, look around.

Sasquatch is everywhere here. Yeah, and we've heard a lot about how Sasquatch in different areas of North America are different. The farther north you go, we've been told the bigger they are. And the more south you go, they get a little bit shorter. They get a little more animal-like. Do you find that the Sasquatch near you guys are friendlier? You know, you were out in the bush for nine years, you said? What kind of personal interactions?

Like, what was the most mind-blowing interaction you have at these animals? The best interaction I had was, I knew I was being probed by two Sasquatches. one was a big footprint which I knew was the big boy that usually hung around where I lived out in the mouth of night's inlet and I told my crew I said we're building these cabins from my tribe I told him I said we're in the September we're starting to be probed by a Sasquatch possibly two there's a smaller track around 14 inches yeah I said don't be afraid I said if you smell something here something just say yo wikis us majo's yehudah hello Sasquatch I don't know who you are how you doing and I said and just turn around and walk away I said everything's fine and then sure enough we had a

few things happen and one night I was sitting there and I was having a cigarette outside one of the cabins and my crew partner was inside Facebook and or something anyway I was under the front roof and I was having my smoke and it was drizzling and I smelled something and I'm like okay so I inched along the building and I jumped out and I was went, yeah. There was this juvenile Sasquatch about six foot high and skinny and felt like a teenager.

All of a sudden, its eyes went big, it looked at me and I went, uh, turned and just, poof, disappeared in the bush. No way. I was laughing away, and I went to the cabin and told my native fart, and he's like,

quit teasing the chiro for it. They're going to get mad at us. So the next night, a couple nights later, our garlic was going missing from our kitchen area, which was just under a tart. And we knew it was M taking it.

So I put my camo on. I put my 12 gauge and my 338 out the window. And I started crawling out the window. And my crewmate goes, what are you doing? I said, whatever happens, don't you shoot with that 30-30 until I tell you or you see me. And I said, I'm going to go see if I can see that juno. So I crawled out the window and I crawled.

But we'd been clear and brush and cutting trees down and raking leaves. and I strategically made all these piles of leaves to burn in November when the rains come, and this is October, I strategically did it so I could scurry on my belly crawling from berm to berm. And I got behind my cab in about 60 feet on the entrance to the trail into the woods where our outhouse was. And I crawled into this pile of leaves and I pulled it over top of me with my camo hat and just a little sliver so I could see two guns beside me. And just as it got dark, that juvenile Sasquatch come out of the bush and it grabbed a tree in it with its left hand and bent down with his right leg off this four-foot dirt berm that used to be the old logging road edge. And it's looking at my cabin and all of a sudden from five feet away, I come shooting out of leaves. Yeah!

And that thing bent that tree and it sprung up and it yelled and there's leaves falling. The tree was snapping. and that thing looked at me just with this pissed off look at it just turned and it sounded like a D8 cat rushing to the bush and jumped on the leaves laughing away and ran back to the cabin

my partner's there with the 30-30 quit picking on the South Why the guns? You know like it feels like a little contradictory to what I understand a little bit about how you feel about the creatures well I ain't stupid if you're selling

if you're selling girl Scout cookies with your daughter and there's a white picket fence all around the house and it says beware of my pit bull and there's an empty dog house do you open the gate and walk to the door to sell your cookies hell no that pit bull is going to rip you a new one well in the bush i will never hunt saskatch i will never go after them i always carry a rifle but in that situation i was hopefully going to get close to them what would have happened of that thing went rogue on my butt and tried to rip me, rip me from limb to lib. Well, being in Indian, I have a

Indian card that says I'm allowed to food social ceremonial harvest 365 days a year with no limit. So I can live off the environment. Well, in my philosophy, anything comes within a 10 foot radius of me wanting to rip me from limb to limb or rip me a new one. It becomes food social

ceremonial real quick and gets full of lead. Well, that's the voice. Well, my question really is, like, have you heard then is have you heard of any, like, violent encounters? Because it seems like they're, from my understanding, they're a little more, they're not as mean and aggressive up in that area. But do you find there's stories of them being like that where you need to shoot? Sometimes it feels like when you get that phone bill, it's like the crash site document. You can't read it. There's a bunch of numbers, random fees, vague language, stuff's blacked out.

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years ago that her body was found at a rest stop, North of Campbell River on the Bank of Island Highway, a rest stop that had cement picnic tables, outhouse units, all kinds of stuff. well they told her logger brother that she was found decapitated her left arm removed her body pummeled her clothes intact she was not sexually attacked and they know that it wasn't a bear a wolf cougar or anything naturally they figure that a bigfoot Sasquatch killed your sister so then a few months later we have a 16 year old boy go missing here in Campbell River at the edge of the wood on the north side of town living in a trailer part mom said there's some bears coming in out in the backyard again i can hear something out there oh it's all right mom i'll go scare it away grabs a flashlight walks down the stairs goes out the back gate into the wood never seen from again as posters are still all over cambo river almost four years later you know look at what's his name with missing four-one-one you know these things some of those saskatches like beans human beans our stories tell

about Chonach will take misbehaving children and rub spruce sap from a tree in their eyes so they can't see, put them in a basket on her back or in a sack she's woven from spruce root or cedar fibers and bring them deep into the forest where she boils them up and eats them. So there's cannibal stories throughout many First Nations and American Indians. We know those, some of them like beans, human beings. and it's no different than some of the Pacific Northwest coastal tribes. We had cannibalism out here prior to the European contact. And trust me, I belong to the Hamatsa society,

and that's part of that ceremonial ristolics, that cannibalism, we don't practice it, but we still have the society, and it's very, very powerful to be Ahmetza that I belong to. And, you know, in the modern road, I got a few enemies there. I'd like to boil up and eat. You know, it's the giant. right the giants used to do the things to be scared of and you know in fairy tale that would they would

boil their boil children and eat them and on that violent side that's that's still saskatch that's not a different cryptid it's not a it's not a it's not a werewolf it's it's the same hairy hairy man of the woods or hairy woman of the woods as you said that that will not always be benevolent well because it's in our lore in our culture you know there's that trait of it eaten misbehaving children. Other tribes speak of it differently, of course. But as an investigator for the last eight years or so, you know, I never was an investigator. I was basically forced because of finding Bigfoot, Renee, you know, her skepticism. I used to almost want to throw my wine bottle at her TV screen sitting with my wife down in Washington State when I came out of Bush a few years back. I'm like,

what do they mean if these creatures exist? If there was a Sasquatch. I didn't know. A bloody If about it, those things are out there. I've seen them, smelled them, heard them around me. So I became an investigator. What I found fine now looking into it and working with Lucas White, the Omaha tribe member, who's a good friend in my Sasquatch Island, Nebraska chapter president, they have laws, very strict laws. There's four social classes to the Sitanga, the Sasquatch, and his neck of the woods.

There's harvesters, hunters. scouts and rogues. Rogues are the male leaders that were displaced from a clan unit. It's nature. Nature's code dictates that the gene pool must always oust once or another one to get into leadership to spread the seed to genetically strengthen the wolf pack or be it a human family or tribe or even Sasquatch units. So just like when you guys got dumped and the listeners got dumped from a girlfriend,

And you went rogue for a while. You got pulled yourself into a whiskey bottle, and the best way to get over one woman was to get under many others. We went rogue. I've heard about this. I've heard about the rogue Sasquatch. There's always, like, a lot of people say there's encounters with just one male in the middle of nowhere, and that's, you know, it was just random.

And I've heard even the land of lakes just north of Tennessee, someone was telling me that they think all the rogues kind of kind of, kind of, congregate up there and there's really violent encounters just in the land of lakes in the Kentucky, Tennessee area. And so it's weird, man. You go down on these trails and people not only do they believe, but they have very specific beliefs about what they're doing and what they're not doing. Do you think that they migrate up and down the coast and they get all over the place? How far do you think these things are traveling? There's staying within territorial boundaries based on high seasonal protein sources and also geographical features.

So in other words, you have a mountain with the salmon stream on either side. Will there be a clan unit from my investigations in each river system? Offshore and the islands between Vancouver Island and the mainland, those are where the shellfish beaches are. So the Kwokwaki Walk and other coastal tribes would seasonally migrate, sometimes six different areas of harvest and living each year. The Sasquatch is doing the same. So here in British Columbia, in your winter of January through March, they're in the shellfish zones.

And then in March, when the herring comes to spawn, they move to where the spawning is going to take place with herring because they come right in the shallows. You can reach down and grab them and fill a five-gallon bucket in 15 minutes. And then after herring, some of them move up to the head of the inlets to the glacier melt rivers with the Ooligan. The candlefish goes to spawn and turns rivers black. There's so many. and then come the springtime when the big low tides come some of them will start migrating out to the outer islands and beaches because that's where on the big low tide they can get the abalone

the kaitons the limpets the shellfish that is now getting green so it's not good to eat so they have to go to other marine resources in may and june and then june comes and the berries come and they start following those berries but a lot of them are following the snow melt up the mountains because they're looking up and when they see the turkey vultures and the golden eagles coming from down in the United States to Canada, B.C. And the bald eagles up there and the ravens, they know that the snow is melting. And it's exposing unglets, elk or deer or bears or cougar or wolves that died in the winter,

didn't get off the mountains quick enough and they succumbed to the snows. Now they were in refrigeration all winter and now when the snows recede, there's carrion. Carian is still in the Sasquatch diets throughout North America. So me being a bushman, commercial fishermen, and the experiences I have, look at the whole Sasquatch equation at a different level. And you guys see, I can tell about your guys' facial features, you guys are going, holy shit, where the hell did this guy come from?

He definitely knows a little bit of other stuff on the Sasclan. I mean, I love it because, like Luke and I, so we've been trying to build the case on our podcast. We're starting out pretty new from we had we both had bigger podcasts and in different realms and this is something I've been looking into for a long time and I was really wanting to do a podcast about it. But one of the major pillars of one of our first episode of belief is sort of all the Native American history behind this creature and it's something you can't deny. I've heard this almost a hundred different names for Bigfoot in Native American culture and legend. Is that number accurate? Were we right on that?

Are we wrong? There's 660 some odd tribes in the United States and Canada. So you can break that down as well over 450 names for it. Oh, wow. That's a lot. That's great because always better to be a little under than over, right? Yeah. Tom, so we're talking about, you mean, the terms of using here are very biological.

We're talking about, you know, migration and food sources and the way that these creatures move. with the seasons and with the game and then also the carrying all that kind of stuff there is a very supernatural um portion to at least the legend of of of Sasquatch and Bigfoot and there's a big camp within this Bigfoot community that also believes Bigfoot to be a supernatural being you know maybe not biological but fully supernatural or maybe a mix of the two from your standpoint being an Aboriginal person is there a supernatural element to to Bigfoot or is this purely a creature that is, you know, is closely related, as you might have said before, to humans, but nothing like, nothing supernatural, not a spirit or a, I don't know, a boogeyman kind of thing.

What was your thought on that? Because I know the Native American people are very connected to the earth in a spiritual way as well. And, you know, we as humans are spiritual beings, but is there a supernatural element? in your mind or in your in your world view to to to the Sasquatch or to what I forget how you the name you guys have for it I'd probably I'd flub it to death trying to say it but is there anything supernatural Joe Noah is said to be from this is one of the supernatural creatures because it's so unknown like Thunderbird and double dorspin killer whale and double-headed sea serpent I come across I come at it from what my experience it's a critter it poops it pees

It leaves tracks, it eats, and it's curious to humans. When people equate the UFO flying, porthole, jumping, cloaking, mind-speaking, saskwats, the majority of them are on glue or mushrooms. So no experiences with mind-speak or anything like that? No, those are people that got so shit scared. They pooped in their pants, and they all of a sudden they came up with their mind kicked in. And, oh, it's cloaked, it jumped through this tree structure. and all of a sudden it vanished into smoke.

And it was breeding my mind. Oh, come on, now do a few more mushrooms. Well, I got to push back. I got to push back a little bit because, and I asked about, you know, do you know, Luke had to ask you a question about, do you think it's other cryptids, is that many people think there are different forms of Bigfoot. It's not just one type.

You know, you've got some that have, you know, been described to have, like, wolf-like teeth. They, like, razor-blade teeth. and they call them Janoskua, and those ones are real aggressive, and they'll rip your head off, they have, like, armor on, they're not like the friendly Sasquatch

of the Pacific Northwest. So are we, what if some of them can, what if some of them have supernatural powers and the ones, and some don't, you know? What about that? I don't know.

God's got supernatural powers, and who's seen him yet, you know, that's the way I look at it. Elijah. When these people come up with these claims of these supernatural, natural mind speaking cloaking, UFO flying.

Like I say, I just laugh and, you know, and I'm bigfoot without the bullshit. So, you know, they have good arguments because, like, humans can kill everything. And we can't seem to kill this thing and prove that it exists. So it seems to have some sort of power, supernatural power, to avoid us, avoid getting shot. I mean, how do you explain that? I mean, humans are pretty good hunters. No. No.

No. We're not. We're bad? We think we are good. That's our problem. Our ego. Our vanity. So what we have to look at it is to be humble and say, wow, here we are in 2020.

I can pick up my cell phone and instantaneously talk to anyone around the world. Wow, that's pretty cool because we can't find Sasquatch. I guess I'm just not so quick to leave the supernatural argument quite just yet. Do you feel like that's a held belief of natives around the United States too? Or is it different tribe to tribe of what they think these things are? Or is it pretty universally, you know, agreed upon? To my fellow Indians that believe in that supernatural aspects of their other tribe members that they share their homelands with.

I totally respect and support what they think, but I can only speak for the region I operate in. And for the tribes that have that supernatural aspect, I totally respect and support that. But in most cases, if I'm at a conference or gathering and some native person comes to me, I respectfully say, thank you very much, but I'm needed over here.

Yeah, yeah. I don't want to hear it. You know, it's like when a Jovis witness shows up my door, you know, I answered the door, bare-ass naked, buck naked, and I go, shalom. You know, what I'm doing. In the whole Native American worldview on this, do you really believe that the Aboriginal people have a special connection with Sasquatch? It sure feels like there's a different connection for indigenous people. When you talk about that, and maybe what that is, is it

just from coexisting in the same place for so long, or is there actually a special, some kind of special symbiotic relationship that exists that, like, the rest of us? us don't have. Huge. Number one, we feel the ramifications from the negativity that was inflicted upon us as native peoples in Canada and the U.S. So residential schools forced into reservation, trails at tears or thousands of tribe members would die being migrated forcibly to an Indian reservation. and missionaries whooping my dad and a sign in school that said the queen's English will be the only language spoken in these halls.

Anything different will be punished with the cane. I was whooped and beaten the head with a bell in nursery school and a stick in kindergarten because I was using my language. So we look at that and we look at the other tribe, the Sasquatches that we share our homelands with. And we don't want the injustices, the negativity, inflicted upon them. And that's why a lot of tribes are clammed up about it. Les Stroud goes to the Indian village in coastal British Columbia. Now, to respect for them, I'm not going to say their tribe thing. But tribe members from there, I know more about the Sasquatch in that area than Les learned when he was there.

because I'd been there many times as a commercial fisherman. And now with the white man's magic, no offense people, but messenger, I get, Tom, listening to this, 1.30 to the morning as I'm waking up. And I'm like, what the heck's going on? He goes, I got my phone out my window, man. And here's a Sasquat screaming in that native village and many others that I hear about. But we don't go out there and, you know, Les went there. He was given a little bit.

He was given the tip of an iceberg. One, two, a one, two, three, four. Give me a break, give me a break, break me off a piece of that Kit Kat Bar. Give me a break. Give me a break, break me off a piece of that Kit Kat Bar. That chocolate, crispy taste gonna make your day, and wherever you go, you'll hear the people say. Give me a break, give me a break, break me off a piece of that Kit Kat Bar.

Have a Kit Kat. You got any nuggets for us? What are some things that you know that he don't know? He's got to quit wearing too much clothes, bandana on his head, and having all that electronics. They don't like electronics, do they? They don't like electronics. Lucas down in Macy, Nebraska,

he was trying to get close to the Sittonga that was behind these bushes. And he was, every time he tried to get close, the thing would move off. until he took his knife out, his money from his pocket, his cell phone and through it. And then he was able to approach within 60, about 65 feet from the sitonga in the bushes. How do they know? I mean, that's a supernatural question.

How do they know you got technology? See, concrete. The nose never lies. So out here, I can travel at night and I can go to a prominent feature on my course, pitch black and 18 foot aluminum speedboat flying with a 65 horse off the back, light a cigarette, make a 90 degree turn and go across an open channel. When I get to the cigarette button, I flick it. I grab the throttle because I know it's time now.

I'm not looking at a watch. I know that all of a sudden, bang, I'm going to get hit with the smell of the bull kelp or the pop kelp. And I know to slow down or the moss and spagnum balls. Yeah, the nose knows, right? Yeah. So they just have these instincts. They have instincts. Look at your dog.

Watch your dog, animals. When they lick their nose, there's a reason why animals have a long tongue that lick their nose. They can smell game cams. They can smell cell phones. They can smell it all, basically. Try it when you go home.

Lick your fingers. Put it in your nose. Smell. You'll be able to smell your wife's perfume. You keep doing it every night. You're going to be able to pick up things. The smell of your dog, the smell of your carrots in your backyard.

When you open the back door, the smell of your wife before you see her. Moisture, if I'll do it again, but I'll use the other hand. Don't ever make that mistake. Use a glass of water. Like when you're out in the bush, you always put that moisture in your nose. Same way a dog, grizzly bears, black bears.

When they're ready to come trying to laser being where you are, they're licking their nose. They're getting their follicles wet to smell better. But to go back to what you were saying before, there's things that you guys keep to yourselves is what you're saying. You don't, the tribes keep. it to themselves. They don't like to share this information. There's sort of an inside knowledge on these creatures. Is that kind of what I'm picking up? Like, they're a little bit of trepidation.

Don't want to, you know, don't want to share too much. Don't want people coming in your areas and stuff like that. So look at the name of your guys' podcast, Flurry Creatures. Why do you think Sasquat shudders and shakes when someone's pointing the camera at him? Why do you think he just turns and vanishes? Why does he just peek at us and not actually come and sit with us at our fires or invite us to come sit with him. They despise us. They loathe us. They pity us. Look what we're doing and what we have done to our environment, their environment. We're the dumbest animal. We'll defecate and urinate where we harvest our food. We will grow our food in human feces. We will pollute and build

houses upon where we grow our food and should be growing our food. We're the dumbest critter on this planet. We're destined to doom. Now all of a sudden we get sent COVID. You know, wake up. The 100-year present is coming to you. It was Spanish flu last time. It was bubonic plague before and yada, yada, yada, now we send you COVID, you know. And first thing we did is native people that the ones that I communicate with that are having interactions is we went out where we offer the foods and we go out just before dark and we'd offer the food and we'd break a stick, snap it, something that you could just barely break. And then we'd start coughing and sneezing, retching. And then we'd grab the food and go back in. And our after dark,

we'd go out and repeat that procedure. And then just before we went to bed, we'd go repeat it again. So for the ones that have the interactions with their Sasquatches, it was us passing them the message we hairless humans we're sick again don't come near us and I know of six places where the Sasquatches vanished. They heated the warning. My area

was one of them. You know, look at us as humans. We're stupid, filthy and we are going to have a pandemic on our hands here where I'm probably going to have to go rogue and go back into the bush and live like a Sasquatch because you know, I'm a human. I'm a fighter.

Another walkabout. Another walk about, yeah. So I know you did an interview about this before, Tom. You talked about Sasquatch's vulnerability to COVID-19. You talk about that a little bit? I mean, we just kind of touched on that, but you believe that Sasquatch is actually susceptible, right? I'm not laughing because I think it's funny.

I just, the whole thing is humorous, but I totally believe it could be possible. Sorry, didn't mean to laugh at you. We know that the Sasquatches came to our Indian villages with their young and their arms and they're sick being dragged, and their Sasquatch clans were covered in smallpox. And our chiefs looked at their men and said, go into the big house, get our people.

And they came out with their children and their family members covered in smallpox. And those chiefs looked at the Sasquatches like, we can't help you. We've got the smallpox disease they didn't know about as well. Unbelievable. And Sasquatches turned and walked into the forest. So when contact started in the Americas,

all of the reports about the mountain devils, Sasquatches, the ape men. And if early in newspapers, there was a lot of reports, but then all of a sudden the numbers dissipate. And then 1967, Roger Patterson, Bob Gimlin, film

Patty, and we start to see a bell curve going up steadily with more encounters, more reports coming out, and it's exploding now in reports. Not so much because of the internet. Yeah, because of the internet, but also because there's more. So when I was born in

1965, there was less than a thousand quack-wock-y-walk. We're over 8,000 strong now. That's indicative of every indigenous tribe throughout the entire Americas. We've proliferated like bunny rabbits as to as Sasquatch. And that's why we're seeing so many

reports and in my investigations, we're finding subunits in inferior lands between river systems with no clambeats. I love all this stuff. These are the questions I want to ask. How strong are these things? And then we can talk about a little about the population.

In Omaha, in Macy, Nebraska, they have the big elk cabins. And they do hunting of turkey and deer down there and quail or anyway. But they have a reefery unit on blocks. And that's where they put their animals during the hunting season. Well, you know, the back of semi-trailers, the two handles, you lift up and open so the doors open. Well, that one there is stainless steel. and if you go to Sasquatch Island or the viewers want to email me

I can even send you a picture from my laptop tonight of that bloody you can see the edge of the door has been like peeled and that stainless steel handles bent like a J like that is the first time ever I seen the strength

of a Sasquatch and you know but then when you look at the stories how they just jump off a highway 20 feet yeah you know they say 45 miles an hour they can run, you think, you know? Well, I've

seen them move. They move, like, when you see that Flash guy from the Marvel Comics and that new TV movie, that's what it almost looked like. That thing was like, zip. I was looking to Usain Bolt of Sasquatches going. Yeah, see someone, 55. Most people would see that, and they would say, oh, it's cloaking.

No, he's just moving faster and you can see. Yeah, so we've asked a lot of those questions. These are the ones I always wish, you know, we get more answers of because people want to know how strong there i mean you're talking maybe 25 30 times stronger than a man well look at ape canyon it punched that log in that log cabin house in and that big arm reached in and you know and then when you see he read the it but then that's one of the things i kind of found funny about the eight canyon report they were at the door two of them

holding it from the saskatch getting in yet one swash was able to punch in a log underneath See, Dr. John Bindernagle when he was alive and teaching me everything from 1991 onwards. He always taught me when in doubt, throw it out. I'm not saying ape canyons, BS. I'm just saying that there's some little bit of cloudiness in there. Well, I heard those stories too, all the times. Like they'll attack cabins or they'll have encounters. It almost sounds like they're doing some kind of bluff charge where they're coming in,

they're scaring the tar out of you, they're showing their strength, but if they could rip a door off and get in, so many reports of people saying they're at the door. door and you always think how come they don't just break the door down i don't i don't understand that but it sounds like they're they're just flexing you know i don't know i have no idea i totally agree with you i think they're just you know they're having fun like you too right now it's why we got these we like to laugh it's about bellies you know and i think they're doing the same thing you know oh bad as soon as you know all of a sudden the attack ends the supposed attack ends they're

probably sit in their barrel laughing in the bush laughing going welcome you called it off well because they started to smell and poop from inside that cabin you know enough's enough we went far enough we we got them to crap their pants you know everything's got humor and they're feral humans they're humans so to me so they got humor sorry i just have so many questions i don't know if i cut you off if you were going to ask something no no i'm just enjoy i'm totally enjoying this over here have you seen any any other cryptids because we've heard you know stories of ogre-like creatures up in Canada walking around with clubs and moxin like sheepskin boots and weird stuff dog man have you have you heard or seen any other things besides Sasquatch it's only getting

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We have another creature referred to in Washington State and southern British Columbia with the coast sailors people as stick people, the little people. My language, we call it Bukwus. It's about four feet high, covered in hair. It's the keeper of the ghost realm, so it's supernatural. So apparently when you die from drowning, you screwed up. You never listen to your teachings. You screwed up big time.

You died. You drowned. Your spirit goes to the ghost world where it's in limbo. It doesn't go to heaven, I guess, like a purgatory. But that's where the commander, the leader of that, the chief of that is Bukwis. and he's supposed to be skeletal looking covered in hair and a greenish face and every family and tribe has different stories about it but me because I'm an investigator and you know I've always been tommy 10,000 questions I want an answer I look at it in the critterus side so of late I've come

to the belief that there's another cryptid out there a little small little people like orang pendeck Maybe he migrated over from Indonesia, Asia, over the Lerring Land Bridge and came down into the Americas. I don't know. But we do know there's something small out there. And years ago, I was, I guess, early 90s, I went into Bonn Sound. I was asked to go in and change waterproof paper on a graph, according to water levels of the salmon stream. Go in with my speedboat, leave the gun in the boat, walk up the creek a boat, maybe, I guess. 400 yards and then I get us here to

and that bush is scurrying and I'm like changing the graph and I'm thinking what the heck is that doesn't sound like mink and I don't think it's raccoons and I'm changed the graph and I glock the thing and I turned and on the gravel bar was a little human footprint well I bet you if you went back an hour later you would have seen this human's footprints 20 feet apart because that's how fast I went 400 yards down to my boat.

Got the hell in it. Got out of there. And I think I had Bikos around me, you know, some of them. And we even have some pretty good pictures out there in the Bigfoot world. Well, we've heard stories of the little people. Yeah. We've heard stories of the little people. They say, you know, missing 411 that some guys think that those guys are a part of it,

taking people. I went to interview too with a guy talking about Henry Hudson, exploring Canada and the Hudson River and them coming on on dwarves playing nine pin and drinking little guys those little guys I want to hang out with not so much the ones that are part of the spirit world I want to go with their bowing and drinking

I'll play a nine pin and drinking I think old Henry Hudson was the one drinking it's hard it's hard to believe what about the stories of Native Americans and the giants the literal giants killing them putting them these burial mounds all over the United States and all over Those are just saskatch.

So giants and saskatch are the same of the same thing. Does he look at the skull? Same thing? Look at the skulls. So if you, when in doubt, throw it out. What I always look at is the distance between the bottom of the nose and the teeth or the upper lip. The filtrum area. That's a filtrum, but the fultrum area.

If it's very pronounced, to me that's a saskatch. So the Smithsonian one. This is the double rows of teeth, six-finger giants. because I've you've been listening to the queen of the woo-woo that cat whatever her name is no no I said she I went on her carol baskin no her name's cat something I was on her podcast I was on a podcast and she came on and I had to tell her she's so full as shit her eyes are brown yeah there's a I mean no I'm talking about the you know the giants of uh they're described as six-fingered Double rows of teeth, red hair.

Kind of look like. Have any stories or any skeletal remains in my neck of the woods? Well, I mean, it's more historical, you know, passed down stories and stuff because they were supposedly killed off at some point. You got to remember my area of British Columbia was, if it wasn't under ice during 5,000 years ago and beyond, the water tables were 120 feet lower. So if there's any remains of giants,

in my region, it's not going to be at present sea level and up, because this would have been all high level. It will be out submerged to 100. If you look at Google Earth and you look at British Columbia, you'll see the ancient riverbeds going offshore some 400 miles. I commercial fished out there for black cod and hell of it. I know about those trenches. And then all of a sudden, inside sonar, Google Earth comes out.

And I went, hey, someone found our fishing grounds. We used to fish those trenches. We knew those. We had them marked out on charts and they correlate to Google Earth. So that's where the ancient villages are. What we're seeing up here on coastal regions was Alpine. What we're seeing from Central North America where the mounds are and the giant, supposed giant skeletons and things like that.

No, absolutely. And I think, you know, Earth's been occupied for far longer than what we want to believe at this point. Yeah. It's fascinating. Yeah, so no dogman encounters, no werewolf, creatures. Nothing here. Nothing like that up there. Little people and then, of course, C.C. Youth, the double-headed sea serpent,

people are still seeing dinosaur-type flippered animals swimming around. Oh, yeah. There's possibly one in Lake Okanagan, right? They're in BC. Ogo-Pogo. The reason why I think it's double-headed is you watch rattlesnakes. When they do the mating ritual, they'll... entwined male and female.

And I speculate that one of my ancestors from the Kwokwakw you saw two of them entwining their neck. And that's where the double-handed sea serpent came from. So I don't know what they're. Yeah. Yeah. He just barred in on an intimate moment of some sea creatures. Seasex. It seems like the experiences you've had with Sasquatch have not been.

and all that scary. You recount stories of, like, you know, scaring juveniles. And is there like a benevolence there? I mean, I know there's a respect there, obviously, for their, we talked about their strength and their size and their abilities. And is it because they're more human? Or what is it about a Sasquatch, at least from what I'm gleaning from this, that maybe inspires less fear than more fear than you would have in leading a grizzly bear hunt?

Only a fool will not be afraid. And there's no such thing as an atheist in the storm. And I've been commercial fishing for 45 years. I've seen many men praying at a toilet, I tell you. In storms. Yeah. So every time I have an encounter with a Sasquatch, yeah, you can feel your heart pounding. You can feel your leg shaking.

You can feel your throat going dry. It's one of the most intimidating moments you'll ever experience. And that's why I like the chase. I love that adrenaline rush. Makes you feel carpe freaking damn, boy. You can go to bed happy that night. Feeling alive. But it is scary.

Like when I was in Macy, Nebraska, staying in those cabins. There's 11 small cabins in Big Elk Park for the Omaha tribe. And just half a mile from the Missouri River. And I didn't have a gun. And I'm staying in there. At 5 o'clock, I'd watch the workers, three workers, jump in their vehicle and drives five miles to Macy. I was all by myself and Tim Buck, Frickin' nowhere,

in Nebraska along the shores of the Missouri River with Sittongas all over where they got an 11 o'clock at night to a 7 o'clock curfew for the native people not to go on the street because that's the time of the Sittonga. While the air conditioner's going because it's 97 degrees and it's sticky hot and I'm not used to that from the coast. It's rain. This liquid sunshine we get out here. And I'm reading my book and all of a sudden you just smell Missouri mud and the smell of a sour, rotten street person multiplied by 25. to 50. A sitonga walked by my intake of my air conditioner and I'm just like, book down. Okay, what do I got here? Because when I got in the cabin, I kid you not, there was plywood and other things barricaded against the windows in this cabin. And other cabins I went to look at because they

weren't locked were the same. And I'm like, what the heck's going on here? Well, now I'm figuring out why the windows are barricaded and they got mattresses up against them and all that. These Sittongas are probing the cabins at night. So I'm sitting there and then all of a sudden you hear, cabang against the back of the tin sheeting on the cabin. Cabang, three times, cabang. And I'm sitting there standing on the table in the cabin, which is all sheeted in the aluminum.

And I'm getting not even a bar on my cell phone. And finally I get a bar and I phone the native guide who's supposed to be with me. I'm like, you get down here with that car right now. And he got down there. And I told him, it's happening. So he stayed with me. And yeah, I was scared because I didn't know what those Sittongas are like. And then all of a sudden the second night, or a couple nights later, the same thing happens. But this time it's more aggressive. The rock throwing, the walking by the air

conditioner now goes like half a dozen times. And I'm just like, oh, Jesus, what do I got? I got a knife. I got a Bicklider and I got bug spray. Okay, Bicklider, bug spray. I got a flame thrower. A knife. I'm taking eyes out or I'm taking what I can. and it was so bad that when I'm talking in the day to people doing this tourism survey for the tribe for two weeks, as I'm doing my contracted job during the day, I'm also getting all the Sasquatch stories, seeing houses with a mean dog chain to all four corners and motion lights all around the house. People who have cleared hill top of a house is a top of a hill is a house and all around it for 200 yards.

There's no trees because of the siton. And people all have buckets. They're putting waste food out the back door into the bushes to feed the Sittongas so they don't bang on their houses or smash their vehicle windows. That's how scared the people are of Sittonga there. So I'm like, like, I'm bait out there, man. I'm going to be, I'm missing 4-1-1 here. If I don't get, like, hey, the new guy. The new guy will bring him in.

So get this. I tell the Indian guide who I fired that day. Anyway, he's driving into town. And he goes, oh, there's my car. cousin, the police officer, tribal police officers. So I said, I want to talk to him. So pull up to him. I tell him what's going on down at the cabins.

He goes, where are you going? I said, to the band up tribe office. I'm getting the chief has given me a pickup truck because of the sitongas. And I'll have it now to use, at least get out of there. And he goes, okay, I'll meet you down at your cabin in 15 minutes. That tribal police officer shows up at my cabin, gets out of his cruiser, unbuckles his belt, takes off a 40-cal. or pistol puts it on the picnic table and goes, I'm going to give you this.

You're a Canadian that shouldn't, is not supposed to have a pistol in the United States, especially on our Indian Reserve. I would rather do paperwork and why you had to discharge it instead of having to go look for you, but we won't find you. And I'm like, cool, but you only give me one clip. Yeah, you're right. It gives me the other four. I had that under my gun.

A police officer gave that to me, you know? That's how bad Sitangas are. Omaha Indian Reservation. So yeah, I was scared. You know. Man, man, Tom, this is awesome. We could talk all day long. We try to keep our shows around an hour.

But, man, you want to plug anything you're doing for our listeners and where they can find you and hear more of these stories? Basically, Facebook group, Sasquatch Island. That's the one I'm on. I also remember a Monster X radio, MonsterX.com. You can go listen to my podcast, the subscription one called Sasquatch Island. I got all kinds on there. YouTube, I have Sasquatch Island and Seasons of the Sasquatch.

Both channels you can go to watch all my videos. And don't forget to slap that subscribe button like a rogue sax swaps, slaps a disrespectful human upside to head. So that you can watch more of my shows. Share everything, of course. You know, Maccas and Telegraph, share, share, share. other people know about me. As you can tell, I'm Bigfoot without the BS.

I like to have fun what I'm doing. Come on an expedition with me. I do expeditions in Washington State and in Vancouver Island, Canada. You can go to Sasquatch Island.com and I'll bring you out. And if you're not a believer, I'll make you poop your pants. Sasquatch will help me. Nate? Nate?

I mean, come on. Yeah. Yeah. Not a better reason to go to America's hat in the Great Wide North and see our friend Tom. Well, with the Cospatch, coming up Seattle, I live 50 minutes for the airport. I can take you 20 minutes from our condo, and it's on like Donkey Kong up there. Sasquatch is all over. We can sneak across the border, too.

Let's make a night of it, huh? Yeah, I got to update my passport. I'm ready to go. I'm saying Washington State. You guys are in the U.S. I live in Washington State. I want to come to Canada. I want to pay twice the amount I should for beer.

Let's make this happen. it's because it's real beer I just love it I love all you pros see so many saskwash it's not even funny it's great actually I've only seen them seven times

that's it I've had seven close encounters I've heard them and smelled them and knew they're around numerous times but you know they're just like cougars Vancouver Island is the highest concentrations of cougars and I've seen one on the island in 55 years

go figure You're talking about like cats, not the overly aggressive middle-aged women, right? I got one of those. Very jerk. Tom, you're great. You're a great man. Funny, funny stories. Good storyteller.

Appreciate you coming on the show. Thanks a much, Tom. Telling us about some blurry creatures. If you see those little people and stay away from those things. Don't want to go near them. I don't want nothing to do with those ones. They're bad ju-juv those ones. Don't forget to send me a link so I can post it on all my groups

So other people can know about blurry creatures Yeah, I like you too You guys got a good deal going keep it up Thanks brother appreciate it I appreciate your time man thanks for thanks for coming on Yeah and send us that photo of uh you said you were going to send us a photo of that trailer Yeah I got ripped open

Yeah I'll have a smoke and a pee and I'll come in and do that All right Tom you're a good man You are a good man. We're going to come find, we're going to come find Sasquatch with you. Oh, yeah. Me and Nate.

If your listeners want me on again, come on. I got more stories. All right. All right. To bring it back. We'll do it. Okay. I'll talk to you all later.

Be safe out there to the investigations, people. Locke your last, go in peace. Thanks. All right. All right. You're good. See, yeah. It's really interesting to, honestly, man,

like to run the gamut here and talk about, like, the difference between Duke and Tom and where they sit on the spectrum, right? We talked about this in the very beginning. of everything in the five pillars and trying to understand and kind of make make what what is of you know is this is this thing purely like a spiritual or a supernatural thing or is this an actual biological animal and you know just in a few weeks here of us doing sort of beginning this journey we've found people that land on both far ends of that spectrum and I think it's fascinating man It's like, it really is fascinating.

Like you have this very native Aboriginal person that's like this is a real thing. These are like people. They just decided to stay in the woods. And when you know, he loved rogue. Rogue is his word. They love to go. They're just rogue people that just decided to stay out there. And then you've got Duke and he's talking about portals and things and things disappearing.

And then also talking about native people like in the southwest that talk about giants living on their side of portals. And so you have this mix of like a gamut of not only just the average. people in their view of this creature and where it falls in that spectrum but then sort of the modern day look at like you would hope to be an objective look at this where I try to come from an objective standpoint and saying

we're trying to figure what this is like is I don't know where I land yet man it's almost like the more you go the weirder it gets and the more confused you get and I think with this subject you know

You start out, you think you know a few things, you watch a couple of documentaries, you got it in your mind. Oh, I know exactly what these things are. I can't believe everyone else doesn't see this. But then you start hearing the weirder stories, and then you hear weirder stories, and then you start going, and I have no idea. But it is interesting, though, that his perspective is totally different than somebody who lives a couple states away. Yeah. The downplaying of the supernatural was a little interesting to me on this one. Like pretty adamant that that's not what it is.

who says there's a supernatural experience is doing drugs mushrooms he poops he poops he eats he peas you know i mean i'm convinced i wasn't i wasn't i wasn't i wasn't expecting that to be honest that kind of me neither because i there is so much i feel like with with the with the aboriginal and native native cultures that that delve into the spiritual right into the spirit realm and into these things that walk between yeah between the lines of but like he said 650 different tribes in North America. So, I mean, we're not painting with a broad brush. This is why I love this podcast, because it's just going to get weirder. It's going to get harder to understand. Let's be weird, man.

And there's going to be more blurry creatures, and you're going to get more confused. I mean, I'm a decade into, like, reading about this stuff, listening to this stuff. And nothing blows my mind. But you know what's cool? You know what I thought was cool at the end? Tom's like, yeah, you guys got a good thing going here. Here's the thing. You know, we, someone like that, someone like Tom, who's so well versed in this topic, it's cool to be able to talk to someone with all those experiences and be able to carry the conversation and to keep going and him have a good time

because there's a lot of people who try to dive into this topic and it's just they don't know what to do they don't know what to say and it's a little validating too actually to because you start a show you start talking about Bigfoot you don't know how it's going to go you don't know you still don't know how it's going to go right but you don't know people are like all right don't go on that show with those guys they don't know what the heck they're talking about you know

and I'm at the point man I'm open let's talk about it Let's put it out there. And I don't want to make any conclusions or decisions for anybody else with myself. And I guess it was fun. Let's lay that. We talked about it in the very first episode. Let's get a look at all of this as if we were laying out a case in court. What's interesting about doing a podcast is you have to get good asking questions and you have to be an active listener.

And it kind of be a journalist too. You know, you're writing a story about something. You can't bring your cognitive bias into. the story. You have to try and ask the questions. Because there's a lot of times I'm like asking these questions. I don't know. I mean, I don't know if this goes against what I believe on the inside, but I got to ask it. Right. And then I mean, even a little pushback. And I think that's good though. Like I think I think just a little bit because I'm all about letting somebody go and talk about what they believe in and the things and the experiences they've had. But I do appreciate

like a couple times you push back saying, well, I don't know. Like maybe there is some spiritual thing that's because there's other tribes and other people out there that they've had experiences. They can't explain that they would they would consider to be a supernatural experience so yeah yeah but i mean you have to lay it all out there and that's that's what i'm here for that's what i'm here for laying it all out there and and let's let's see where it all lands and well you having fun luke oh yeah man tom was awesome i don't know i want to have like a a beer i don't know i mean i'm not going to smoke a cigarette all these guys are great man it's uh imagine sitting around the bombfire with like 25 big footers it probably it sounds fun to hang

out with, man. I'll hold the, you know, the 30-out-6. I hold the 30-out-6 while he tries to scare the juvenile Sasquatch. I mean, I know. That's crazy, man. Keep me in the cabin, man. I'm not trying to. You got to have some Cajonais, some mangoes to jump out and scare a juvenile

Sasquatch. I'll tell you that. That's where I'm going to end this right now. Like, tip my hat to you, Tom. You're a bigger man than I would. I'd be hiding in the cabin. And I'm saying this, Nate. Like we literally have to get ourselves to Montana, see Duke,

get ourselves to British Columbia, see Tom. Because I'm going to remain a skeptic on the outside, I think, until I can, you know, have some kind of experience. And these guys are, these guys are saying they can make it happen. Hey, I'll promise you this. First time I see a Sasquatch, I hope you're there next to me, Luke. Right. Me, you, Jose Canseco. And we somehow.

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