Blurry Creatures - EP. 42 THE FED with Dr. Laura Sanger

Episode Date: June 1, 2021

Episode 42 is the in-depth follow-up to the Giant Genes conversation with Dr. Laura Sanger. Here we dive deep into the history of Jekyll Island and its roots and connection to the Federal Reserve. How does this institution relate to the ancient giants and Nephilim of the Old Testament and ancient past? Is there a connection between the traits of the Giants and the shadowy people running our monetary system? This episode brings everything full circle--filling in the gaps and answering the questions that were left unanswered in Episode 41.   guest: https://nolongerenslaved.com intro song: The comeback kid by THE MIDNIGHT contact: [e-mail] Socials instagram.com/blurrycreatures facebook.com/blurrycreatures twitter.com/blurrycreatures Music Kyle Monroe: tinytaperoom.com Aaron Green: https://www.instagram.com/aaronkgreen/ Mastering: ironwingstudios.com Outro Song: timecop1983.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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That's RUFFF Greens.com discount code blurry. Rough Greens makes any dog food better. Hey, welcome back to Blurry Creatures. Thanks so much for tuning in every week. Luke, we've been getting a lot of message. from previous guests who've been tuning into the show too. And it's cool. People are listening to the show.

And even some people are like leaving bad reviews and then the next week they continue to troll us. So even our haters are tuning in weekly. You can't get enough blurry creatures. Once it gets in your bloodstream, you are infected and you can't stop. And that's how we feel, Luke. We're diving down these rabbit holes. We can't stop. And we're bringing Laura back on the show because,

Obviously, she introduced us to so many fascinating topics. And when I was editing the show and I went back and listened to it, I was like, oh, man, we should ask about that, that, that, that. And then the comments you guys were all like, dude, you need to have her back on. She's great. And so here we are. But with those messages from people, from you guys, there's often this other side that's like,

very critical of what we're doing or what someone suggests or what a guest presents to us. Like, I just want you to know that, like, these topics are often very spiritual. So they are going to ruffle feathers naturally. That's just what the Bible does. It makes you feel uncomfortable about a lot of your pre, you know, the things that you bring to the table. You know, the system that you have been taught to see the world in. And then you go read it from a different perspective and it blows your mind because your paradigm gets shattered. So anyway, with that, I just want to say, like, look, like we're going to make mistakes.

Luke and I are the only thing we can do is lead with our heart. because obviously we're not experts on ancient history and civil engineering and all these topics and these things that you have to be you have to know a lot about in order to carry on a show like this because you know it goes from bigfoot to the history of the earth very fast so give us some grace i think people tune in because we inject a lot of just you know a roundabout collection of uh of experiences in our lives that help us shape this show and we present it in a palatable way. Obviously, if you want to go listen to some crazy expert on Egyptology, just ramble on for two hours, that's not blurry creatures. We're the normies just listening to people tell us fascinating things and we're going to make mistakes. So I just want to say that. And when it comes to the spiritual stuff, Laura's episode last time was just randomly cutting out. I'm editing her show and then there's just five seconds It's just nothing.

No pop, no hiss. Just, it's like somebody just deleted certain parts of her message. I try to string it together to make sense. It's really weird. So I'm not even sure if her audio is going to do it on this episode, Luke. But just throwing that out there. Some weird stuff going on. And I think we're in the passenger seat going for the ride.

We don't always know where the car is going to take us. You know what I mean? Yeah. I think this is not an uncommon problem for this space. and with other shows as well. Whether you're, you know, recounting, you know, Bigfoot encounters

and have to pull out, what's legit and what's not, or whether you, you know, whether you're Tony Merkel and you've got people calling in, and you kind of have to figure out

if you think people are credible or not. Yeah. I think that's part of everything. And I think in a world where we're lied to so often by the biggest megaphones, you know, even a lot of that stuff's coming to light this week. Sure.

When we're hearing about things that happened in Wuhan, the people were on last year, and told their conspiracy theories. It's funny how that works out, but I think it's on the onus of critical thinkers to do their research, to check sources, and we do the best we can hear. Yeah, well, I mean, our guests just make, you know,

pretty bold claims about whether it's aliens, you know, UFOs, Bigfoot. There's a lot of bold ideas that come out, and sometimes it's easy to go, you know, well, that person was full of it or whatever. Well, I mean, how do you know, though? That's the thing. It's like,

We don't have definitive answers on a ton of this stuff. And we're looking back in history too. We're just, we're looking, I think, I don't remember who said it. Was it? It was might have been Derek Gilbert saying it's like a mosaic, right? And like we only have a few pieces of it. Sure. So we're just doing the best we can to look at the whole picture.

When they're history, we have pieces we can plug in. And when it comes to like the UFO stuff or Bigfoot, there's not a definitive answer. So anybody that tells you there is, they don't really know that. And the Bigfoot hasn't showed up and told us what, what's going on out there. Just like the aliens haven't, you know, made their big disclosure. It's coming. Except to Scott Walter, they did. But, I mean, and I say that kind of tongue-in-cheek, but it's, I mean, how do you know the answer to that?

Yeah. Well, it's just heavier. It's, you know, I'm not, you know, you have to be an expert in uithology, ancient history, ancient construction, civil engineering. I mean, talk about some of these portals and megalis and laylines and copper conductivity and all these, like, advanced. That's why we have guests because we aren't. We're just, you know, we're just two dudes and generally located in Tennessee trying to answer questions and a lot of times you get more questions. The history of our earth is so different from what we can imagine. The Smithsonian that if they found out about a large skeleton somewhere was to go get it.

I'm going to assume at least one person is right. Because of it. If one person's right and bust the paradigm, it all goes back to the fallen chair. And the problem with the modern day church, they have a very truncated view of the supernatural. This backdrop is just pregnant with all kinds of meaning associated with this Mount Herman event. And this guy defects from the kingdom. That's a big deal. Yeah, well, hopefully it actually records your audio this time, Laura. It was cutting out.

You did an amazing job with the editing, though, because it, I could have. only tell a couple of places. So good job. Thank you. Try to string it together the best I could. I was going to preface it, but then I figured we'd just talk about it on this episode that stuff like that happens when you start talking about these topics. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, so I, thank you for coming back on again. I felt like I was a little bit of a kid in the candy store. You were dropping so many just little trails. I want to go down that one. I want to go down that one. I want to go down that one. I figured we could just do them back to back. and kind of let people get the full experience of what you want to tell them.

But when I was listening back, I really was thinking, man, we should have talked about Jekyll Island a little more. You started to talk about some of the stories of the Native Americans having, being very big and tall. And that's the birthplace of the Fed. Not that the last conversation wasn't fantastic. We've already gotten a lot of great feedback from that. Some people say it was their favorite so far.

Wow. There you go. I think, like, if you haven't listened to our, our first episode with you, people listening, go back and listen to that episode first and just get the whole, the whole experience. Why Jekyll Island? What specifically is there? And what year is this all kind of going down, this birthplace of the Fed? Well, yeah, great place to start. So I think I'll pick up on where I was talking about last podcast and that I mentioned that there's two symbols that found throughout my investigation that really were this consistent thread all throughout history

connecting the Nephilim. And I mentioned the color red and we talked about that, but also the circumpunct. And the circumpunct is, it's really a more recent term that was coined by Dan Brown. He wrote a book called The Lost Symbol. But it's the symbol. with a circle and a dot or the circle within the circle. And so it's a symbol that really dates back to ancient civilization. And what I found is that some of the ancient cultures of Georgia's coastal islands, they actually utilize the circumpunct in a lot of their rituals. And so that really led me to Jekyll Island. But if we think about just for a minute, the origin of of the circumpunk.

It's linked to the worship of the Egyptian sun god Ra. And so there's actually ancient remnants of circumpunks pretty much on every continent. And so what that tells us is that here is this universal symbol that represents something of great spiritual significance to so many different cultures. And so, you know, we can find the circumpunct in the symbol for gold. in alchemy or also in the philosopher's stone or the Rosicrucian rose. Of course, with the Egyptian sun god Ra and the eye of Horace. And then also the astrological symbol for the sun is a circumpunct.

And then of course we know that the all seen eye, which is on top of the unfinished pyramid, and that is significant both in Freemasonry, the Illuminati. and it's also on our dollar bill. And so as I began to look at all of this, what I began to realize is that the roots of the Federal Reserve are really intertwined with the mystery religions and occult practices. And so if we think about it too, I think you may have mentioned this, Nate,

something that I said on a different interview I was doing, but secret societies are structured in this way, a circle within a circle. And so you have the inner core of a secret society that's shrouded by an outer organization. And, you know, if we think about the Illuminati, it's burrow deep within Freemasonry. And so that's an example of a secret society within a secret society. And so just it's helpful to understand that as a backdrop of the significance of the circumpunt. So now we can kind of venture to Jekyll Island and some of the,

those surrounding islands on the Georgia coastline. So we'll start with actually Sapello Island, and that is about 54 miles north of Jekyll Island. And back in 1872, there was this discovery of what's called the shell mounds or the shell circles. And so what they discovered is that there's large mounds in a circular formation. And that really interested a lot of archaeologists. And so there's been, you know, investigations into that site and in that island for about a century. And what they did is through all of their findings, they realized that this was an ancient city. And there were actually three neighborhoods delineated by large circular walls that were about 20 feet tall and they were made of shells. And then some of the more recent findings, they used

ground penetrating radar. And they noticed that in the largest neighborhood, so the largest circle, there was something of prominence right in the middle. They haven't determined what that is. So that was kind of my first clue that here is an ancient city. And they dated back the earliest occupants of that ancient city, they date back to 4,200 BC. And so here is kind of the first evidence that at least I found of a circumpunct near Jekyll Island. And so now if we go a little bit further south to an island called Sea Island, and this is, I believe it's 16 miles north of Jekyll Island. And in 1936, there was actually an article in the Salt Lake Tribune, which happens to be my neck of the woods.

And the article was titled George's Sand Dunes yield startling proof of a prehistoric race of giants. And so in this article, what it explains is, you know, they were doing excavation to work on, well, actually to build the Glen County Airport. And as workers were excavating the land, what they found is they found skulls and skeletons scattered throughout the sand dunes. And so they called in some archaeologists. And the lead archaeologist, his name was Preston Holder. And so he, you know, worked on that site. And he was sponsored by the Smithsonian. And what they found is that these skeletons, at least the adult skeletons, range.

in height from six and a half to seven feet. But even more interesting than that, the skulls that they disinterred from this area, they sent to the Smithsonian. And at the time, one of the lead experts in the area of tribal peoples and indigenous peoples, his name was Dr. Herdleika. I don't know if I'm pronouncing that right, but he looked at the skulls and examined them. And in that article, this is what he says. He says, the Sea Island skulls follow closely the Timicuan characteristics. Archaeological experts declare they are not of the accepted Indian type. Skulls are unusually large and of the long-headed type.

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in this article is he's making a connection between these giant remains and the Timicuans, which was the mysterious tribe that inhabited Jekyll Island, the Golden Isles, and then part of northern and central Florida. And so that was very intriguing. And this Tamicuan tribe inhabited these areas from 1150 AD until the 1500s. And so then I began really digging in. Okay, so what do we, what can we learn about the Timicuans? And so, just in doing research, there's all sorts of, you know, resources about the Timicua. And what's notable is that almost every resource I read said something about their stature. I mean, it was clear that they stood out in comparison to other tribal people in that area.

And so their stature was tall and they were very muscular. And so, you know, there's different reports on the height of these Timicans, but some historians put them between seven and eight feet in height. And I found that interesting because in a way that is consistent with what was found on sea island in these skeletons. So then we have the Europeans. When the European explorers land on the shores of Jekyll Island, they are, you know, in that surrounding area, they encounter the Timicuans. And there's a particular explorer, a Frenchman named Le Moyne, and he made incredible records of the encounters he had with the Timicucus. So not only did he document it in writing, but he made. actually made sketches of their tribal life.

And so that was invaluable because not only do we have a visual record, now it's a sketch, obviously, but a visual representation of their stature, but we also, you know, can gain information about their governmental structure, their village architecture, you know, their spiritual rituals and beliefs. And so that was incredibly important in part of my investigation. So I thought maybe what I do is highlight some of those ceremonies because it really begins to pull these ideas together. So the first thing I'll mention is one of the Timicuan chiefs, his son is named Athor. and he was mentioned several times as being at least half a foot taller than any of the tallest of the

European men. And so his stature stood out. And so, you know, as I began researching this, I really saw that there might be something here. There might be some Nufflem genes here. And that's when I decided I really need to dig into these drawings. that Le Moyne has, these sketches. And so I have quite a number of them in my book, but what's interesting is it becomes really clear

from these drawings that the circumpunct was prominent in their cultural life. So the Timicuans used the circumpunct in almost every aspect of their culture. So even the way their villages were structured, they were structured in a circular pattern, with a prominent building being in the middle. Their funeral ceremonies were in a circle with, you know, a mound for the body buried in the

center. Their spiritual ceremonies, they were always positioned in a circumpunct. And then even the breastplates that they wore into battle were circumpunks. And so it really became clear that there's something here. And it makes sense because in these drawings, what we find is that. The Timicuans worship the sun god. And so they look to this deity for protection, for prosperity, you know, for harvest, for victory. And it makes sense that the circumpunct was so much a part of their culture because the circumpunct is that ancient symbol, phallic symbol of the Egyptian sun god Ra.

And so here we have it incorporated in almost every aspect. And so there's an interesting ceremony that took place that Le Moyne witnessed. And I want to just read an excerpt from it because it shows how the sorcerer, the Temeckyuan sorcerer, incorporated the circumpunct in his magic. So it says the sorcerer made ready a place in the middle of the army and seeing the shield which Dutani's page was carrying asked to take it. On receiving it, he laid it on the ground and drew around it a circle upon which. he inscribed various characters in signs. Then he knelt down on the shield and sat on his heels so that no part of them touched the earth and began to recite some unknown words in a low tone

and to make various gestures as if engaged in a vehement discourse. This lasted for a quarter of an hour when he began to assume an appearance so frightful that he was hardly like a human being, for he twisted his limbs so that the bones could be heard to snap out of place, and he did many other unnatural things. After going through with all this, he came back all at once to his ordinary condition, but in a very fatigued state, and with an air as if astonished, and then stepping out of his circle, he saluted the chief and told him the number of the enemy where they were intending to meet him.

So this ceremony, I just want to highlight a couple of things because what the sorcerer did is to begin the sacred ceremony, he took the shield of one of the European men. So it wasn't that this shield was particularly important. It hadn't been consecrated to the sun god. It wasn't something that had been used in a Timicuan ceremony previously. It just simply was a shield that he could fit his entire body. body on. And so I have pictures of this in my book, but so he kneels in the center of the shield. And again, the soldiers, the army are in a circle around him and he's in the center. So just the ceremony itself is a circumpunt. But then he takes that shield, which is a circle. And he gets in the middle of it so as to not touch the ground. And then he draws a circle around the shield. And so in essence, what he's doing is he's creating a circumpunct and inserting himself in the middle of the circumpunct. And what that does is that represents that sacred space. And he's creating that sacred

circle for the practice of magic, which I found very interesting. And then there's another ceremony that has incredible symbolism. And this one in particular, um, really, um, really started kind of connecting the dots for me. So it's called the victory ceremony. And I'll do my best to describe it because the picture, you know, is worth a thousand words. But so in this ceremony, essentially what they're doing is they're praising and worshiping the sun god for the victory that they just had on the battlefield. And so the Timicua, they align themselves in a semi-circle. And then across from them, they have seven pulls in a semicircle. And on top of these pulls are the severed arms and legs of their enemies.

And so what you have, if you can imagine this, is the dead and the living form a circle. And then the sorcerer is positioned in the middle of this circle. And so they cast this circle for the purpose of this. ritual because what they're doing is they're creating a sacred space as a conduit for releasing that supernatural power. And so on these pulls, you have the body parts or what is termed trophies. And they are connecting what's above to below because there's a vine that's draped around each pole. And so it's connecting the trophies to the earth. And, what that forms is a symbol called capemni.

And I have no idea if I'm pronouncing this right. So I'll actually spell it in case anyone wants to do further research. But it's K-A-P-E-M-N-I. And so this capemni is believed to be like a set of vortices that's believed to connect the upper and lower worlds with communication. And so it's actually a Lakota term. And what it means is what is above is like what is below. And what is below is like what is above.

And what's interesting is this is the same phrase that's used in alchemy's hermetic law. And I won't go into what that is. But the point is, if you remember, I mentioned that the circumpunk is the alchemical symbol for gold. And here we have that same phrase surfacing, but just in the Lakota language. But the Timicuan, they are creating this symbol in this victory celebration. So the Kapemni, it's evolved from this concept of a power line. And so what it is is it's this supernatural power that's radiating outward from a central sacred. point. So back to the Timicuan victory celebration, the middle pull of the seven is prominent

because it has two vines wrapped around it forming a double helix. And to me, that just was an eye-opener because it represents not only this sacred communication between above and below, but it symbolizes a strand of DNA. I was going to say DNA, the double helix. Yeah. So what I began wondering is, is this a representation of their defiled genome in the Timicua? And I think that it is. And so another disturbing, probably the most disturbing ceremony that the Timicuans engaged in

was the practice of sacrifice. the first born male son to the Timicua chief. And again, they did this in the form of the circumpunct. So the villagers would be around. And then the mother would be off outside of the circle in grief, crying and wailing. And then a close relative of the mother would be holding the infant in the middle of the circle. And then they would club it to death. And so, you know, in sharing all of this, what I think where the dots begin to connect is, so last podcast I mentioned those criteria for the Nephilim host.

Well, so here we see in what we've gleaned from the Timicua that it's likely that some of them meet the criteria for a nephalum host in that they were excessively tall, extraordinarily strong. They participated in sorcery and witchcraft. They engaged in blood occult rituals and they committed human sacrifices. And so the pieces started coming together. But what's interesting too is as I was listening to Timothy Bentz, he's that intercessor that I mentioned in the first podcast that kind of got me on this trail years and years ago. And what he mentioned about Canaanite altars is that they released. DNA into the land. And he talks about DNA as these information packets. And so I began to think about that in the sense that if this is accurate, so then defiled DNA of the Timicua could have been

released into the land from the false worship that they offered up on these altars. And those are called altars of offense. And so if we think about that, then the early inhabitants of Jekyll Island, by engaging in this false worship, they infused the land with that spiritual DNA. And so, you know, we know all throughout history, the circumpunk is used as a symbol in occult practices and false worship. So here we have the Timicuans engaging in this iniquity, and it releases a curse on the land and that has an impact on subsequent generations. And so it becomes the seed bed for the incubation of the debt enslavement system we call the Federal Reserve. And that's why it's so important to understand all this because we really, in order for us here

and now to be set free from this debt enslavement system, we really have to understand the roots of the Federal Reserve. I have two questions, Laura, that came up. I got 20. Well, first is the vine and the staff. It made me think of like that symbol that they used for medicine. Like with the serpent, is there any connection to, I mean, if we're talking about civilizations that are ancient and they've been there and they all use the same symbols and that

sounds a lot like what they use in something that comes from Greek mythology. with the serpent and the staff, which we still use today for medicine. And then the sacrifice stuff sounds like mulloch, like the mulloch kind of type of worship that we hear about, like, whether it be the bohemian grove or in antiquity. Yes. What's interesting, too, is that word moloch in the Hebrew can also mean king. And so here you have, so a king who represents a deity or it, you know, stands in proxy for a deity. And I believe that's what was going on here with the Timicuans is they were sacrificing their firstborn son to Molek. In this situation, it was the king, the Timicuan king or chief, who was like a proxy.

It just, it seems like, again, it's a, it's a flip or bastardization of the gospel, right? You kill your first son. And it, but it's, it's, it's the defilement. Like, essentially, it's, it's a gospel God gave his, willingly gave his son up and his, and his son willing lay down his life for, for the salvation of us all. And yet you have these occult and these really evil ceremonies that take that. And, but it's just, it's, it's, it's the inverse, right? It's, it's, it's taking innocent life for, for the defilement of everyone.

It's like, it's like the inverse of the gospel. I like that Luke because I was I was thinking the same thing I that's where I was that's what I was thinking to myself and and when you talked about the last episode of epigenetics I wanted to ask you when Christ offers us his blood does it flip the genetic switch is it like like you were talking about how like it just seems like you were describing something like the the defilement of these certain areas was releasing DNA is is is Christ's, because you know, you grew up in the church and you hear Christ shed his blood for you. It doesn't really make a lot of sense.

You, it sounds serious. So you live, so you believe it. Okay, man, wow, I must, I got to. But when you get older, like, well, what actually happens? Is there like, is there a genetic thing that's turned off or on when he does this? What do you think? That's fascinating to think about. I think, yes, because I've seen.

especially if we we understand how to appropriate his blood. And, you know, I can't remember if we talked about generational iniquities. I think we touched on it a little bit last time. Yeah, we did a little bit. But so his blood can cleanse our bloodline. And so when we think about it in terms of epigenetics, then those, maybe those curses that lead to diseases with the epigenetic markers switched on, his blood, when we pray and we break off those generational iniquities, it can flip the switch off. And I know I've experienced

something like that, you know, when you think about miraculous healing, what is that? Is that his blood entering into that place in our body and bringing that life forth? Absolutely. I think so. And I experienced a miraculous healing on my heart when I was actually at Fuller Theological Seminary. I took this class called Power Encounter, and I had no idea what it was about, but the professor that taught it, his name is Charles Kraft. And I had him the first semester I was in graduate school. And I'm like an obsessive note taker. And so I developed carpal tunnel syndrome. And I had my wrist was in a brace, and I raised my hand in class.

And he stopped the class and he said, what's wrong with your wrist? And it took me a back because, you know, I'm coming from UC San Diego where I'm one in like 500 in a classroom. And the professors could care less. Anyway, short story to a very long story is that he prayed for me at the break in this class. And I was miraculously healed. So from that experience, I'm like, I'm going to take whatever class this man teaches that fits in my schedule. Sure. And he taught this class called Power Encounter. And it really was turned out to be a class on deliverance and setting people free from demonic stuff. And this actually is in my book a little bit, but I won't go too far into it. Only to say that I had a heart murmur since birth. And so every doctor that I had seen would tell me you have a heart murmur. And I was an athlete from a heart murmur. And I was an athlete from. the age of six on all the way through college. So it wasn't like a serious one, but it definitely

was something that was there all throughout my life. I take this class. They pray for me. And I was healed of a heart murmur. And so was that Jesus's blood entering into my genetic line and flipping that switch off? I don't know how that works. It could be. I just know that when we appropriate the blood of Jesus, whether it's over our physical body or it's over a generational line because we have mindsets that are defiled or broken and that need cleansing. I do believe that his blood, in fact, there's a scripture that says his blood speaks a better word. And so his blood speaks a better word than what our blood speaks. Yeah, yeah. Because I mean, you think about it, and as an adult, you know, you have to trace yourself back and go, well,

I mean, it's not, it's not like everyone goes out and gets a blood transfusion of Jesus's blood. So what happened? What actually happens? Like, something happens in the supernatural realm or that realm that we just, you know, we just don't understand. But, you know, you hear those phrases growing up, you know, the cleansing of the blood and all those things. And it's just, oh. It's also covenant law, right? I mean, it's the idea that covenants are created by the spilling of innocent blood.

God created all these covenants with the Israelites and his people, and it was a pure lamb, right? And God is representative. And there was the new covenant was created. And there was a very specific ceremony and ritual around a covenant. You know, you had to walk and switch clothes and these different things that they did. And actually, and I took a class on this at one point on when I was at WIWAM about how there's very specific ritual that goes along with a covenant. And maybe think about the idea that like, essentially when you're in the occult and you're spilling these innocent blood and these sacrifice

ceremonies and situations essentially creating a covenant in the oldest way but with you know with the enemy with your with your with your with your with your with your god who is it being so ultimately it's either either you know one of the watchers or or devil Satan himself well that's yeah that's kind of what we were that's kind of the the rational explanation that we all that we all got you know, but then you kind of just, if you think about a little bit more and you're like, and as the show barrels on and we hear more and more from people about what actually, like Michael Heiser was talking about, Jesus comes to do spiritual warfare, right? And that's something that never gets talked about, right?

That's a big part of his mission, is spiritual warfare. And we're just like, oh, we just thought it was all about us, right? Anyway, it's just thoughts. It's beyond me. It's beyond my pay grade. But it feels like the more and more the show goes on, we could have named the show DNA wars. Because that's really what it comes down to. We've made that joke before.

This is what we're talking about on the show over and over and over again. It's DNA. It's bloodlines. Right. Laura, I want to get back. So you're saying that like these ceremonies that happened on Jekyll Island, right? How does that happen? Yeah. Well, so let me tie in a couple of things from last time and then go a bit further

in talking about what are the roots of the Federal Reserve. And so again, it goes all the way back to Genesis 3. And, you know, Nate, when you talk about your podcast as becoming about DNA wars, you know, really, if you think about it, it goes all the way back to the Seed War in Genesis 3, like I talked about last time. But there's a couple of verses that really unlock this mystery about Jekyll Island. And so let me review some of those. So the first one is Genesis 3-1. And it's one we well know. It says, now the serpent was more crafty than any living creature of the field, which the Lord God had made. And the serpent said to the woman, can it really be that God has said, you shall not eat from any tree of the garden? So,

Again, I like to dig into the meaning of these words. And the Hebrew word for serpent is Nakash. And it means serpent because of its hissing. So I'm like, okay, let's dig a little further. What is it about this hissing? And so if you look at the root word for that, it's divination, hiss, whisper a magic spell, enchanter. And so now we begin to see that most likely Satan didn't appear

necessarily as a serpent, but he probably appeared in this appealing manner, kind of masquerading as this angel of light, whispering magic spells in Eve's ear. And so Satan used witchcraft to manipulate Eve to walk in rebellion. So then when she ate of that forbidden fruit, here's what the father said to her and this is in Genesis 313. And the Lord God said to the woman, what is this you've done? The woman said, the serpent deceived me and I ate. Okay, so now that word deceived in the Hebrew is Nasha. And it means to deceive, beguile, mentally delude, morally seduce, to impose or to cause to go astray. And so that's all according to the Strong's concordance. But if we consider the Hebrew and English lexicon called Brown Driver Briggs, check this out. It defines Nasha as to lend on interest

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See you all the way. And so when I discovered that, I nearly fell out of my chair because what Nasha is is to make someone a debtor. And so this was one of the clues that really began to unlock this mystery of the roots of the Federal Reserve because this verse gives us an idea of the agenda behind the Federal Reserve because it was created to deceive the American people over a century ago and enslave us in debt. And so we are buried in so much debt that it's inconceivable how we can even get out of our debt. And if you want an eye-opening experience, go to us debtclock.org and watch how fast our national debt increases. So when we think about it, the Federal Reserve, when they passed the Federal Reserve Act in 1913, when Congress did that, what they did is they enslaved the American, citizens to debt all the while filling their pockets with money and allowing the elite bankers

to get rich off of us. And so we really begin to see how the Federal Reserve and the people that formed the Federal Reserve, how there was deception and lust and greed and pride and rebellion. And so then if we think back again to Eve, when Eve was beguiled by Satan, she fell into the trap of sin. And the consequence was that she was in debt to that sin. And that debt could only be paid by death. And so Eve became a debtor to sin. So then I was reading this other book as I was writing. And Stephen Quayle and Thomas Horn wrote a book called Uncovering the Lost World of the Cloud Eaters. And so I'm reading this, and they have a paragraph on the ramifications of this great deception of Satan and Eve falling into the trap.

And let me just read it because the last sentence, again, just jumped out at me. It says, this is the consequence of the sin of Adam and Eve in the garden, a consequence that continues to bear bitter fruit in our own sin to this day. The act of rebellion against the Creator's command put humanity into such debt. that it could only be satisfied by the blood of Jesus Christ. But Satan was the banker who wrote the note. So here's where things start to connect for me. So consider this.

We've been beguiled by elite banksters that have been led by the great deceiver himself, Satan. And so the entire Federal Reserve system is rooted in Nasha. and the people that formed the Federal Reserve, they exuded Nephilim traits because they were master deceivers and they were so skilled at lying to the American people. See, they pretended that they had our best interest at mine all the while crafting this insidious enslavement system. And so Nasha is the root of defilement in our monetary system. and the Federal Reserve is built upon usury and lending on interest. And their product, the Federal Reserve product is debt. And so if we think about it, you know, King Solomon sums it up really good.

And Ecclesiastes 1.9 where he says, what has been will be again. And what has been done will be done again. There's nothing new under the sun. And so if we think about this, it's the same root of defilement from the beginning of the ages. It's just repackaged and re-game to perpetuate this deception. But thankfully, there's so many of us that are awakening out of our slumber and more and more Americans are wondering what the heck is behind the curtain or you is behind the curtain. And so in the case of the roots of the Federal Reserve, the seeds of Nakhash, so the seeds of enchantment and divinators,

and in the whisper of a magic spell, they were planted in the soil. And the fruit of that on Jekyll Island has been a pervasive pattern of false worship, idolatry, enslavement, and bloodshed on the land. And what's interesting, so, you know, the Timicuans lived there from 1150 to 1500s. And then, you know, more and more Europeans came. Well, in 1792, Jekyll Island was owned by a Frenchman named Christoph du Bonion, and he escaped the French Revolution and came to America, and he bought up Jekyll Island. Well, so he developed plantations on the island, and he established slavery on the island as well,

which is very interesting because then a couple of... of, well, so a generation later, his son, when he owned the island, he orchestrated the arrival of a slave ship called the Wanderer, and it landed on Jekyll Island, and it was 50 years after slavery was outlawed in our land. And it happened to be the second to last slavery ship to ever land on American shores. And so here we have yet another example. of rebellion and welcoming that spirit of enslavement. And so the spirit of slavery really was uninhibited on Jekyll Island. And so what that does is as it strengthened, you know, over the centuries by false worship, the defilement that's in the land leads to the perfect

breeding ground for the Federal Reserve. And, you know, we know that this. Federal Reserve, it's this secret pact that was formed to enslave billions of people. And it was done using the art of deception, which is Nasha. And again, that's the language of the Nephilim, who are the seed of Satan. Wow. Did you see how that all types? Yeah. Yeah. I want to go back. I want to go back a little a bit because I think it I heard this before Luke and I think it was how Michael Hazer that said that whenever an animal is mentioned in the Bible, it's referring to a spirit. I don't know. I think I heard that on one of his episodes, a podcast. And I was thinking about some of the earlier atonement theories that people had like the ransom theory in Christ Christus Victor that Christ, that Christ is, pays a ransom

to the devil to bring humanity back. That was like an early church view. And it wasn't until modern history where we changed to penal substitutionary and some of these other atonement theories that are a little more less of an you know what I mean it the earlier church sound like they they believe there was some sort of cosmic interaction like I don't know that just sounds like it falls in line with some of the stuff you're talking about with the Fed do you do you do have you looked any of those theories and what do you I happen no I want to say that's above my pay grade well no I mean well it's just there's like seven or popular atonement theories of like what exactly does christ do and and on our episode with hezer he says

all of them work there's there's a little bit of truth in all of the atonement theories of what exactly christ does because i flat out asked him that i'm like i've heard this a thousand i mean i i've had you know i've heard the the gospel message thousands of times in my life but it was just this moment where i was like what do you think um but but the the ransom theory is that you know christ pays a ransom to get us back we were in debt like you were saying yeah yeah And it makes sense. Anyway, it's getting real, it's getting real gospely on this one, but I love it. So how is this undone?

How was the Fed undone? Well, I think first of all, it's important that every American understand some basic things about the Federal Reserve, because I think the way that we get out of this debt enslavement system is, first of all, we are armed with truth, knowledge, and understanding. Because if we understand that the roots of the Federal Reserve are in Nasha, which is deception, we have to come against that deception with understanding. And so if I can, like, take a few minutes just to lay out basics of what I think every American should understand about the Federal Reserve. And, you know, many of us probably already understand this. So I don't want to insult anyone. But it's in hopes that it really,

reaches people that maybe don't understand because really the Federal Reserve has worked so hard at covering things up. And so it would make sense that not most of us really understand. So with that, I'll just take a few minutes to lay out some things. So first of all, the Federal Reserve, it's an independent agency made up of privately owned banks. And it's run by a board of governors, 12 regional banks. banks and the Federal Open Market Committee. And so the President of the United States appoints the Board of Governors and then the Senate will confirm them.

And while the headquarters of the Federal Reserve are in Washington, D.C., it is not a government agency. That's really important to understand. And so the term federal in their name was meant to obfuscate the truth. In fact, I heard an interview of Alan Greenspan, and he was the former chair of the Federal Reserve. And he was asked, what is the proper relationship between the President of the United States and the Federal Reserve Chair? And this is what he says. He says, well, first of all, the Federal Reserve is an independent agency.

And that means basically that there is no other agency of government which can overrule actions that we take. So here he is admitting that there are no checks and balances on the power of the Federal Reserve. So that's important. Another thing that's really critical to understand is that the U.S. dollar is a fiat currency. And in 1971, Nixon took us off the gold standard. And at that point in time moving forward, the U.S. dollar has been a fiat currency. And what that means is it's backed by nothing. And so history proves that nations and empires that debase their currency fail and they collapse.

And so fiat currencies fail 100% of the time because they buckle under the weight of debt and gold always wins. So that's important to understand. And in more recent history, about every 40 years, there's been a change. in our monetary system. And right now, we are 50 years into this Fiat currency. And so our economy is on the precipice of implosion. And we're actually already starting to see signs of hyperinflation. So just looking at the price of lumber, it has increased 600% from the start of the year. And so that is definitely the signs of hyperinflation. And so we definitely need a major structural change within our banking system.

Another thing that's important, I kind of touched on this, but the product of the Fed is a debt note. And so if you look at a dollar bill, you'll see up top it says Federal Reserve Note. Well, a note is a debt instrument. It's an IOU, essentially. And so the Federal Reserve uses money magic to enslave us. Now, what do I mean by that? So I'm going to paint like this picture for us that hopefully makes it a little bit more clear. So imagine we're at this magic show and a magician pulls out of thin air the first ever $1 bill. And he gives it to you. He says, you can use it, but you need to pay me back $1 plus interest. So then you're thinking yourself, if this is the first $1 bill ever created, where am I going

to get the money to pay the interest? So then the magician pulls out of thin air a second $1 bill. And now you're thinking, okay, problem solved. I can use the second dollar to pay the interest off. But the magician tells you, you can have these $2. Use it however you want, but you need to pay me back $2 plus interest. So now you're back in the same quandary. And the magician pulls out of thin air a third dollar bill.

But by this time you realize there is no possible way to pay off the interest. And this is the debt enslavement trick of the Federal Reserve. They create Federal Reserve notes out of thin air. And it's just paper. In fact, in most cases, it's just digital numbers on a computer. computer screen. And the Boston Federal Reserve actually admits to this when they say, when you or I write a check, there must be sufficient funds in our account to cover the check. But when the Federal Reserve writes a check, there is no bank deposit on which that check

is drawn. When the Federal Reserve writes a check, it's creating money. And so the term reserve in their name is actually a slide of hand because they've never had the reserves on which they lend out money. And so the Federal Reserve creates money out of thin air. And this sounds just like, this sounds just like the garden. Like Satan doesn't think that we can get out of this debt, right? Right. Like he sort of represents the, he sort of operates the, he's the original enslaver. And they're just kind of carrying out that Luciferian way of like enslaving people, just kind of putting that all together like deception with deception and then that's why you need christ to pay the the ransom to pay the debt off pay get us get us back i never thought about it in terms like

this so it's just it's i mean i've heard it before but you know you don't piece it all together of like really what enslavement is i mean i've fought debt my whole life like i've i hate i didn't take student loans i didn't want a student i didn't i didn't My whole life I've fought, I've always wondered like, why do I hate the system? Now I'm like, maybe I know, I get it, you know, it just goes against, you just, you can feel that enslavement in you and you just want to work, work your way out of it. I don't want you to own me. I know you own me. I've naturally been wired that way, so I've fought against it.

But anyway, sorry, keep going. I sort of. No, that's good. I think we all feel that. We've all been under this heavy enslavement. Yeah. So the other thing that's really interesting in eye-opening is so the same year that the Federal Reserve Act was passed in 1913, the 16th Amendment was ratified.

And that allowed Congress to be able to impose federal income tax for the purpose of paying off the interest from the dollars that they borrowed from the Federal Reserve. So anytime the Fed sends billions of dollars to other nations, guess who's on the hook for that? We are, the American taxpayer. And so again, if you go to that U.S. debt clock.org, you'll see that our national debt right now is above $28 trillion. And that means that every U.S. taxpayer owes $225,000 plus to pay off that debt. Are we, are we like the last stopper in them having complete world domination? Is that what they're trying to do?

Because it feels like they're trying to destroy our currency on purpose so they can reinstitute the new currency and the new system that we're all under, which sounds exactly like the Nephilim agenda that you've been describing. Yep, you're getting it. That's it. I mean, I tell it to friends. They're actively trying to destroy the currency. Why would they do that?

Why would they want to shoot ourselves in the foot? I was like, just look at all the clues. They're there. I mean, they're just printing money like crazy. And then Bitcoin's going through the roof. What do you think about cryptocurrencies? They seem like a rebellion against that. They do, definitely.

It's very interesting to see what cryptocurrencies are doing. And they're trying to get into cryptocurrencies as well. You know, the globalists are. And so it's kind of this battle that's going on. Yeah, I don't think they, I don't think they anticipated Bitcoin coming onto the scene because there's so much, like every time you turn on the news, Luke, there's just Bitcoin uses too much energy and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, Elon Musk is downing Bitcoin. And I'm just like, well, there's only 21 million Bitcoin ever. So they can't inflate it.

You can't add another Bitcoin to it. So if you think about it in a sense, people want, what would you read? have the magician you can keep making dollars or the or own one bitcoin and you can never make another one i mean i don't know it's interesting we just to see if they if they try to change the way it's it's spent though because that's the way you can control that is to not it's not to not to allow it to convert to poo poo to use to usable or what we're considered usable currency but you can't really ban it well i'm just saying like if you want maybe they won't let you convert dollars but i can send bitcoin to you directly sure and it goes through the network so it as soon as

we figure out how to peer transfer it i don't know i just i i see i see human beings like being scrappy and they're trying so hard to kill us and kill kill our spirit and take over the world and we're just like they're just trying to bring us down you know but anyway i'll let you tell us you know more about you just but i think you're i mean you're right over the target they want to um bring us to our knees america because we are i think we're the last um to stand against the globalist and so you know how we go the world goes and this is a massive battle of all battles good versus evil and and what the globalist i mentioned in my first podcast the globalist agenda is the nephalum agenda. They're one in the same. And that is the total domination of humanity. And so just one last

thing to hit on banking gets a little bit worse than what I've even described. But I do want to end with some hope. But anyway, so one of the things that I think it's important for us to understand about the banking system is that it's built on this house of cards called the fractional reserve banking. And so what fractional reserve banking is, is it's the notion that not everyone will withdraw their deposits at one time. So they'll stagger their withdraws. So the banks only have to keep a portion of the deposits on reserve. And so the Federal Reserve has set what they call reserve requirements for banks. And for most banks, that's about 10%. And so what that means is, if I take $100 and I deposit it in my bank, my bank only is required to keep $10 on reserve,

and then they loan out $90. And when they loan out that $90, they charge a massive amount of interest so that they can get rich off of my money. Meanwhile, they're giving me a measly less than 1% interest for the privilege of accessing my money. And so that's just another example of how the banking system exploits us. And it, you know, it actually reminds me something that I talked about on the first podcast when I was explaining about Esau's character. And I talked about how he was a hunter. And one of the Hebrew root words describing Edom is the root word sued. And a figurative meaning of that is someone

who lies in wait to catch a human or someone who entraps another person for the intent of exploiting them for personal gain. And so when I think about that, this is what the elite banksters have done to us. They've lied in wait to entrap us to exploit us for their own personal gain. And that's why, you know, we can see these nephalum traits in the Edomites, and it goes all the way through history right up to those that created the Federal Reserve. And so it's interesting how it all ties together. So interesting. I mean, it makes a lot of sense, too, in that context of why they'd want to push for a cast or society, then you can control all the flow, right? That's the one out we have is we actually use cash. We don't necessarily need a bank per se. But every other thing,

that we have to do requires us to have a bank and let them have our money. But yeah, I mean, they were trying to do it this year. There was a whole bunch of things up on the docket about how using COVID so that we don't have to touch the money, you know. And it all feels like it's, like you said, there's an agenda. Yeah. You know what I'm thinking this whole time, Laura, is that they're about enslavement and Christ is about freedom. Mm-hmm. I mean, it's just these two things, regardless of what you think, you can just, this is how they operate.

Enslave, enslave. Satan's always trying to enslave you. And Christ is like, you've heard it said, but I say into you, you have access to the Father now. Freedom. Amen. Giving it back to the people. And if you can't see that, and that's the thing, I think that we have such a split view in our culture right now. Because there's some people that are still loyal to this system.

people who are just of woken up to it and say you're in a war basically and you've got to wake up to that it's not just whatever you think about for an hour on Sunday all your transactions go back to this debt system that we've we've found ourselves in and i've heard a lot of people on fringe you know fringe podcast talk about this stuff getting dismantled behind the scenes do you subscribe any of that that there's this like there is this war going on behind the scenes right now of this system is being attacked and being dismantled, and they're trying really hard to keep it from being dismantled. Do you, do you subscribe any of those theories, of those things going on in the background right now? I do. I think, you know, if we were to think about those that are fighting for the kingdom of

God or for good, that they have an understanding of what the globalists are out to do. And so they have a strategy, and part of that involves moving back to something that is potentially gold-backed. So we need a currency that is asset-backed. There's no other way forward without that. And so I think there are lots of things going on behind the scenes. You know, I'm trying to keep tabs on some of that. It's hard because, you know, before you share it with others,

you want to be able to corroborate it. And because it's so much behind the scenes, it's not quite ready to be mainstream yet. But I do think there's a lot going on. I think, you know, one way or the other, we're going to see a major shift in our monetary system and hopefully we'll come out of it on the right side of things. Right.

Right. Yeah. I would say that's one of the connection points is it's right there on the Federal Reserve note is the circumpunk the all-seeing eye. And so it really ties together what I've talked about, you know, throughout history and what we've seen on Jekyll Island. And, you know, what's interesting to think about is when, so I talked about, you know, the Temeckyons on Jekyll Island, and then the Europeans introducing slavery onto the island. So in 1910, is when six men stole away in the dark of the night on a train instructed to only use their first names.

And they were headed towards Jekyll Island. And at that time, Jekyll Island was an elite club. It was a private club for some of the wealthiest in our land. So J.P. Morgan's, Rockefellers, you know, people like that. And so when these six men stole away in the dark of the night, it was to go to Jekyll Island to give birth to the Federal Reserve. And so they represented either themselves or the people they represented was one fourth of the world's wealth at the time. So they represented the industry titans of oil and steel and railroad. And so when we think about the giants, the titans, industry titans are giants in our land, so to speak.

They might not be physical giants, but they have a lot of power and control. And they dominate and they use that to manipulate people. And so when they stole away in the dark of the night in 1910, their purpose and their goal was to create a banking cartel. And they had to do it in secrecy because at the time, the American public would have nothing to do with the central bank. They'd been burned before by central banks. And so that's why we have the obfuscation with the term federal and the term reserve. It was meant to deceive the American people and to get this banking cartel in. And so when we think about, you know, the federal reserve was birthed by,

industry titans. And we think about the circumpunkting all that I talked about that is potentially on the land itself of Jekyll Island. I'm thankful for when God sends people like Timothy Bents onto the land to do prayer assignments. And I know other intercessors have been sent on the land. There's a gentleman named Ed Watts who just recently in November went to Jekyll Island. And it's fascinating because I happened to see him in December. And when he was on Jekyll Island, he prayed in front of this tree. And I don't know if you guys have seen the front cover of my book, but it's this massive tree with exposed root system.

And the Lord, a while back, gave me a vision of what the Federal Reserve looks like in the spiritual realm. And it's an octopus. And it's got its tentacles around. every institution in our land. And so when I was sharing that with Ed Watts, he talked about going to Jekyll Island and he took a stake and he pounded the stake in the land at the base of this tree that had a root system very similar to the one on my book. And he took a picture or somebody else was taking a picture as he was praying and breaking the connections to slavery and

these other things. And he goes to hit the nail on or the hammer on the nail head and this flash of light like bursts forth and they capture it on camera. And so it is remarkable. So I'm grateful that God sends people who are obedient to hear what God needs to be done on the land itself. And I just want to encourage people that, you know, we can be giant slayers. And, you know, We look at the giant slayers in the Bible. We think about Joshua and Caleb and David and Deborah. These were all men and women who actually were able to win battles against giants. I wrote about this in my book, but there's a pattern.

If you look at these four giant slayers, they actually have similar characteristics or a pattern that they developed in the relationship with the Lord. And so the first one being that they developed intimacy with the Lord so that they could hear the voice of the Lord and know what it is they were supposed to do. So first there was that intimacy. And then they had the fear of the Lord. So they walked in fear of the Lord versus fear of man. And then that gave them supernatural courage and strength to fight against the giants and have victory. And I believe in this day and time, God is looking for people who are willing to be giant slayers.

And what does that mean? That means that we aren't afraid to go up against these institutions that are trying to enslave us. We aren't afraid to speak out. We aren't afraid to go and to pray in those areas that God wants us to pray. Because like we were saying earlier, when we appropriate the blood of Jesus on the land, it can heal the land. and itself and break off those curses. And what we want to do is reverse the curse and release blessings onto the land so that we can walk in that prosperity.

So I just wanted to encourage us all with that. Yeah, I love it. I really do. Don't say like David pick up five stones for Goliath and his brothers, right? Right. I mean, it makes so much sense now that the violence of the Bible, these were giant slayers. and that's something that's been a big eye-opener for me over the last couple years. It's just they were giant slayers.

They were. And we are supposed to be too. And one of my questions was when you were talking about, I know we keep going, but it's good. If you have to go, just let us know. When you talked about Nimbron becoming a gibberine, do you think some of these people connected to the Fed are doing similar seances with a cult stuff and then they are, are they converted themselves over becoming Nephilim themselves in the modern day and then following through and enslaving us, some of the Rockefellers and

some of these. Ross Charles. Yeah. Absolutely. You think you're doing that? Absolutely. You know, I think one of the things that would be important to connect that answers that question is, you know, when I talked about the transformation for, you know,

from Esau to Edom and how that was a really important clue of how we can trace the Nephlin from Noah to the dollar bill. When I say the dollar bill, I mean like the people involved in the Fed. And so when we think about Edom and that transformation, it's interesting because I talked about how the Horites were connected with Amalek. And so just real quick, if we think about the horrites, you know, Bible talks about how they lived in the land of Sayir, but they were dispossessed from that land by the Edomites. And what happened was, so got the Horites and the Edomites.

And we know that there was some intermingling there because Amalek was the grandson of Esau on his father's side. But on his mother's side, he was the grandson of a. Horite chief named Sayir, the same sire that the mountain was named after. And so because there's this intermingling between the horrites and the giants, and there's an intermingling with the horites and the Edomites, I began to ask the question, okay, is there a biblical example of the Edomites being termed or called the gibberer? And in fact, there is. There's an example. his name is Doge and he was an Edomite.

And what David talks about, Doge really kind of paints this picture of what was going on here. And he mentions that this is in Psalm 52. He says, why do you boast an evil, O mighty man? The loving kindness of God. And that word, oh, mighty man, that's gibberer. And it says, the loving kindness of God endures all day long. Your tongue devises destruction like a sharp razor. Oh, worker of deceit, you want.

love evil more than good, falsehood more than speaking what is right. You love all words that devour, oh, deceitful tongue, but God will break you down forever. He will snatch you up and tear you away from your tent and uproot you from the land of the living. So here we have David describing Doug as a gibberer, and he's filled with deceit and he boasts an evil. And we learn a little bit more of his character in this story in 1 Samuel 21 and 22. And that is when Saul is in the hot pursuit of David. And David needs provisions. So he goes to the priest of knob and he asks for provisions. He needs food and he needs a weapon. And so the priest of knob give him a, the show bread, because it's the only thing available. And then they give him the very weapon, the very sword that he used earlier in his life to

behead Goliath. And so this actually saves David's life, these provisions. Well, at the time, Doge was eyewitness to this. Now, Doge was the head shepherd of King Saul. And so he went back and reported to King Saul what had just happened. And so Saul gets enraged and he orders his guards to kill all the priests of nom. But the guards don't want to touch the priests of the Lord. But Doug welcomes the opportunity and carries it out with this ungodly vengeance because what he does is he not only slaughters the priests of Nob, but he kills the women, the children, the infants, the cattle, the donkeys, and the sheep. It was an absolute bloodbath in Nob, and he committed genocide on that day. And so that for me clearly was a sign that here's an Edomite, a biblical example

of someone with Nephilim traits. So then I began to wonder, are there other examples of Edomites with these Nephilim traits? And there are at least two that stand out. One is Haman in the book of Esther. And the other one is King Herod. And so we know that Haman had genocidal traits because he secured the decree from the king to annihilate all the Jews. Well, what's interesting is that Haman is an agagite. And if you remember from a first podcast, I talked about King Agag. He was king of the Amalekites. And so Amalek was a descendant of Esau. So essentially, Haman is an Edomite. And it makes sense where this deep-seeded hatred of the Jews comes from because it runs deep in his generational line. And then we have King Herod, who is considered an idomian. And Idomian is

is essentially the Greek term for the word edamite. And so Herod was considered a half Jew. And we know he had these genocidal traits because he ordered the slaughter of male infants two years and younger when Jesus was born. And so we think about here is three Edomites in the Bible that have Nephilim traits. They're deceitful. They're rageful, violent. murderous genocidal.

And so when I started to make that connection, I realized, okay, so there must be nephalim traits running in the Edomite bloodline. And so with that, I knew, okay, I need to follow the trail of the Edomites. And I wanted to find more examples outside of Scripture that might corroborate this theory that the Edomites had the Nephlin bloodline. And so thankfully, the Egyptians are incredible. or were incredible at record keeping. And there's documents that actually connect the Edomites with what are termed the Shasu.

And so the Egyptians actually have quite a number of encounters with this group that they called Shasu. And it's not a biblical term that we recognize. It probably had its origins in Egypt. But essentially, these were a group of nomadic people that come from the, southern Levant area. And so they were mentioned as early as 1550 BC all away until 747 BC. And what's important to know is not only were they nomadic and they roamed like the Bedouin culture, but there's a number of different references that the Egyptians make that tie these

Shasu to the Edomites. And so there's a monument of Rams. the second, and it claims that he plundered the Shasu land and captured the mountain of Saer. And then there's also this 19th dynasty letter that mentions the Sashu tribes of Edom. So right there we have a connection. And then there's also Ramsey's the third declares that he destroyed the Syirites among the tribes of the Shasu. And so according to the Egyptians, we have this. connection that the Shasu were prominent in the Edomite population. So then I thought, okay, is there any documents then that will show us the stature of the

chasu? And there is. There's one called the craft of the scribe. And this is what it says. It says the face of the pass is dangerous with Sashu hidden under the bushes. Some of them are four or five cubits nose to foot with wild faces. Now, most scholars believe that that, that they use the Egyptian royal cubit in this particular document. So that's about 20 inches. So that would put these chasseau anywhere between six feet and eight inches to eight foot four inches. So that was a real important connection because here we have the Egyptians linking the Shasu with the Edomites. And we hear that the Shasu may have been six foot to eight foot giants. And so giants were among the Edomites. And so then from there, I just followed the migration trail of the Edomites

to Rome and to Khazaria. And the Khazarians is where we get the Ashkenazi Jews and the Rothschilds were Ashkenazi Jews. And from the Rothschilds, we have Jacob Schiff and Paul Warburg, who were the agents of the Rothschilds, and they were instrumental in the creation of the Federal Reserve. And so it all ties together in that way. Boom. Wow. Dang. Now you just dropped the hammer on us.

We went all the way back to Egypt and Ramsey's and came all the way back around. Yeah. I love that. Yeah. So, I mean, my last question then to tie all this up is that some people have described, when you say the Nephilim agenda, I think at first I just have to clarify, a lot of people talk on our show guests that like the Nephilim were just here and then they got wiped out, right? And it's just this, you know, it's just part of the story.

But what I like about our interviews with you is that you're kind of, you're saying, no, this, this is a moving, breathing thing that's like a cancer. And if you start to look at all the clues, it's still here, it's still infecting us in so many ways. And when I was editing your show, I was thinking about, you know, oh, the Nephilim agenda. That's why should keep saying that? Because it's more than just giants we're here. And then afterwards, it's like they've infected everything. And so a lot of people talk about on our show that like there's these, you know, Obama's talking about our UFOs last week and disclosure's coming.

and some people say the these little green men they call aliens are just drones are the nephalum do you feel like they're going to come they're they're looking for bodies are they going to inhabit some sort of biological drone is are they coming back i mean what are your thoughts about the future if we if we don't go back to the gold standard and there isn't some sort of happy ending to what's going on right now and it just gets more into the enslavement system it seems like man are the Nephlin going to return

we make jokes about it not not to poke fun at it but just you know because it's such a heavy topic we're just sometimes you make little jokes here and there you got to meme it you got to meme it yeah I made a meme of Yoda saying to Luke that they're coming back and I know you're a Star Wars fan

maybe you'll see that meme but I read did Yoda like said telling Luke and the Nephilim are going to return, you know, because it's on this show, it sounds like they are. Do you think that? Sorry, that was a long rant. Well, I think they never left. And what I mean by that, that there are Nephlem hosts. So there are individuals that have partnered with the Nephlem agenda. And so they've partnered with those spiritual forces of darkness. And so while we don't necessarily have maybe the phenotype of the Nephlem, although like we talked about last time on the Solomon Islands, they're very well as the phenotype of the Nephlin.

But we have, we have the agenda that is being carried out. And so what the Nephilim do is they look for those individuals who are willing to align with the seed of Satan and carry out their agenda. And so I very much believe that leading some of our institutions in our land are probably Nephlem hosts, those people that have given themselves over. And that's why in that first podcast, I feel like it was so important to lay out what the physical and behavioral characteristics are of a Nephlem host, because not that we want to go around diagnosing people, because as I mentioned, there has to be a lot more research to back those criteria up. Yeah, I'd be the first to get beat up, you know.

They'd come they'd throw rocks at me first. You're looking for the redhead. Come get him. But the point is, is it helps us identify people that might be

aligning themselves with this Nuffulam agenda. So. Now, I'll say, Nate, this is a good tie on them. I mean, like,

there's a lot of threads, right? Like there's, when we talked to Dr. Gregory Reed, we talked a bit about like how, and Laura, Greg Reed is a,

a deliverance minister, exorcist, whatever you want to call it. And he was talking about his experience with human trafficking and people, things attaching to people. And I think that really plays into this. And then also we talked about Richard Swartz and Nate, like with the idea that like, were the giant psychotic? Was there stuff in their DNA that actually gave the, you could diagnose them with psychosis? And we see that, maybe even more so today. And dare I say, the serial killers and the in the psychotic um and i just think at all of it you know it comes together does feel like that luke like everyone's kind of picking up the torch and carrying a little further there is it there is sort of a narrative that's happening on the show that seems to be everyone's

bringing a little bit more piece of what the nephalum are how it relates we're pulling threads right and these threats you start and you start pulling more and you're pulling it starts to unravel this whole this whole thing. Mother begins the big foot, which it did for us, and then ends up with a really in-depth dive into the Old Testament. And now with Laura here, we're able to really connect to the things that are happening today and have happened in the near past in our own American history here, which I find us all very fascinating. And also not surprising, right? I mean, Laura, you actually quoted something that I think I talk about a lot. I don't know if on the show, but when I talk to my friends and stuff about this as well, the idea that Solomon said there,

We talked about this with Heiser too. There's no new heresies. Like there's nothing new news under the sun. They're taking the same deceptions and repackage them and then sell them with the masses. But it's the same deception. It's the same lies. And it continues to be that way.

And it continues to be propagated that way, but it's not new. And I think that's terribly, terribly fascinating. And not a macab way, but like really in this context. Because there's just, there's so much that I think we don't know. And I think you've made a good point that people are waking up. And I think that's important. I think that's maybe some of the things Nate and I really hope for this show is that people wake up to

to critically think for themselves. May their eyes get opened to, to something like you would say that some of the agendas or the Nephilim agenda, whoever you want to call it, there is a very real dark agenda that exists. Thank you for this. Thank you for these nuggets. It's going to take a while to unpack for sure.

But I, yeah, I find it immensely fascinating too, the whole Jekyll Island thing. I had never even heard of that until we brought you on to some research. I need to read the book now because this is really scratched an itch for me. This whole space is mostly a dude space. I noticed that. Yeah. There's not a lot of, I mean, there's just not a lot of ladies. And so, I mean, I know our listeners are wondering if you have like a little ladies night where all the ladies get around and talk about the globalists and the in.

Yeah, it'd be like the antithesis of Oprah's book club, right? to be actually like finding something that's true. Heck yeah. Do you? I mean, because I think that, you know, women are more empathetic. And these, these, some of these topics are really heavy and hard to swallow. I mean, my wife was asking me about aliens tonight at dinner. And she was just a little trepidation. And she was asking me questions. And I'm like, well, it gets weird. And she's like, okay, how does that fit into the Bible? And I'm like, all right. Yeah. But I, do you have friends you can talk about the stuff that are open to it or do you find like the ladies are a little more

apprehensive? I have an incredible group of women that are intercessors that we meet together and we are all on the same page. And I can't tell you like it's rare to find a group where they've gone down this road. Now I've gone further into the Federal Reserve, but yeah, it is, Like we encourage one another when we get together like, okay, what are you hearing? What's the latest? You know, that type of stuff. But then we are, we are praying into these things and doing that spiritual warfare. And so, yeah, hey, I welcome anyone connecting with me on my website, male or female.

But thanks for having me, guys. It has been fantastic. Well, shout it out for us. This is such a great segue. Shout it out for us again, a more time. I know we had the last episode, but let people know where they can find you. your book. Oh, yes. Yeah. So my website is no longer enslaved.com. And that's the best place to find me. You can purchase my book through there or you can go directly to Barnes & Noble or Amazon.

Do you accept Bitcoin? The people want to know. The people want to know. I do not. Okay. We'll get there. We'll get you there. We'll have to work on that. We appreciate you coming on our show and dropping some of these hard truths on us. And we just appreciate, you know, you coming on in such short notice again and kind of, you know, wrapping up these two episodes in a bow. The most prepared, the most organized. Yeah.

The most efficient guest we have ever had on this show. Sorry. Sorry, Dr. Judd and everybody else who's been multiple on multiple times. Dr. Laura, you are numero, no. Yeah, you're welcome, guys. Thank you.