Blurry Creatures - EP: 427 The Zodiac and the Gospel with Troy Brewer

Episode Date: May 19, 2026

Troy Brewer has been fascinated with the heavens since he was a kid in a Fort Worth planetarium. In this return to the basement, the Texas pastor lays out the case that the entire story of redemption is written in the constellations and has been since the beginning. Not astrology. Not the New Age. The original language of the heavens before Babylon hijacked it and renamed the stars. Troy walks through how the names of the stars in Orion's belt correspond to Isaiah 53, how Virgo carries a messianic prophecy in her belly, how Scorpio and Orion wage a nightly war between death and resurrection, and how Moses set up the tabernacle to mirror the twelve constellations with tribal standards that bore the signs.The conversation moves through all twelve signs of the zodiac, starting with Virgo and ending with Leo. Troy maps the seed war, the virgin birth, the scales of redemption, the defeat of death, the pouring out of the Holy Spirit, the covenant between Jew and Gentile, and the triumphant return of the Lion of Judah. He also gets into how fallen entities changed the names and timing of the stars to keep people out of sync with God's prophetic clock. This is a wildly fun Christ-centered deep dive into what Psalm 19 means when it says the heavens declare the glory of God. This episode is sponsored by: https://ruffgreens.com — Get a free Jumpstart Trial bag with discount code BLURRY at checkout. https://zocdoc.com/blurry — Find and instantly book top-rated doctors today! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Bible is actually written in the heavens if you know how to see it because the author is the same. And I didn't have those words. So I was just like, dude, do you know that the zodiac is Jesus? Do you know that? People are like, dude, that's the devil. You need to stay away from that. I'm like, what? Like, yeah, yeah, only the devil messes with the zodiac or signs in the heavens. Although Jesus said there will be signs in the sun and in the moon and in the stars. The history of our earth is so different from what we can imagine. Enjoy to journey. The Smithsonian, that if they found out about a large skeleton somewhere, was to go get it.

I'm going to assume at least one person is right, because if one person's right to bust the paradigm, it all goes back to the fallen chair. And the problem with the modern day church, they have a very truncated view of the supernatural. This backdrop is just pregnant with all kinds of meaning associated with this Mount Herman event. And this guy. defects from the kingdom. That's a big deal. Welcome back to the basement. We got Troy Brewer back in here. And this will be our, I think our third blurry creatures episode with you. It is. Yeah. And we're excited today. We're going to talk about the Zodiac. And I'm sure you're going to rile up some folks in

this space because a lot of people have a lot of thoughts about space, the firmament and all those things. But then when you start talking with confidence about, we got a shoe flying in here. Look at this. Boom. Welcome. You can time travel, Troy. We were talking about in the last one. I told you.

I told you that last time. Now we're talking stars and the zodiac and where do you begin such a wild discussion? Welcome back to the basement. Thanks, man. It was always good to be here. And I'm excited about telling you about this stuff because this has been a lifelong journey for me. It started when I was a kid. I didn't live with my dad.

And my dad would come and get me. sometimes, and I idolized my dad. Just such a great guy, such an awesome, awesome, awesome dad. He was poor, and when he'd come get me, he typically didn't have any money, so he would take me to the Fort Worth Museum of Science and whatever, and natural science. And they had a planetarium there. And dad became friends with the guy that ran the planetarium because I was such a nerd about the stars that he was like, this kid, you know, he's a nerd. And he's a little redneck nerd. I rode bulls and did all the things, but I was like, dude, if it comes to astronomy, I want to know it. And I learned astronomy.

I learned it. So I started the astronomy club in big time Joshua school. I actually started the astronomy club there, and we got into the whole nine yards. Well, when I got saved and when I had an encounter with Jesus in 1986, I picked up a Bible and I was like, how do I fire this thing off? It's like Chinese to me. Like, what do you? how does this work, you know? And I got into it, and so I mapped out all the timelines. That was my first order of business was who are the main characters in the Bible and what's

their timelines, when did they appear, how does that work, and what books are they in? And I started doing that. And then when I started learning their stories and what they said, I went, I know this story. This story's in a constellation. And then I go to another big time biblical story. And I go, I know that. I already know that story. It's in a constellation. And then I go, go to another or I would come across a verse and I'd say, those words are in a constellation in the names of the stars because I knew the names of the stars as well. And I'm like, wait a minute, you're telling me that this verse, you know, in Isaiah says, you know, that he was wounded for our transgressions. He was bruised for our iniquities. The chastisement of our peace was upon him and by his

tribes where he were healed. Well, Orion's belt says that if you know what the names of the stars are. And I was like, because the first one means wounded, the second one means bruised, and the third one means beaten. And I was like, that's an Orion's belt. And so I didn't know it was taboo, and I didn't know it was weird to go, well, yeah, everything in the heavens, what I actually discovered was everything that is in the Bible is actually written in the heavens if you know how to see it because the author is the same. And I didn't have those words. So I was just like, dude, do you know that Jesus is the plant, that the zodiac is Jesus? Do you know that? And people are like, dude, that's the devil.

You need to stay away from that. I'm like, what? Like, yeah, yeah, only the devil messes with the zodiac or signs in the heavens. Although Jesus said there will be signs in the sun and in the moon and in the stars. Okay, if Jesus said that, because to me, Jesus is perfect theology, whatever Jesus believes, I want to believe. Whatever he does, I want to do, whatever that is, right? Whatever he prioritizes. And I didn't know any better and playing in our band.

And there was always a short 10 minute time where I would preach and I would typically go, do you know what's going on in the heavens tonight? Do you know this? Do you know that? Do you know this? Well, that's what the Bible says? The Bible says this. The Bible says that.

And people go like, what? And then I get corrected by whatever church we were playing at and go, hey, that's all the devil. And I'd say, why do you say that? Because people do bad things with it. And I'd say, you don't say that about sex. You don't say that about money. Why do you do that with stars? And what I found was it was just ignorance of what's actually in the heavens.

And it was also, if I can just be so blunt to say to a lot of my critics, it's theological laziness. It just don't want to look off into it because it's just scary. Well, I dig it. Wow. I really blew the intro, though, Luke. Yeah. I could have said, like, you know, the stars at night, big and bright. Bum bum bum, bum, bump.

Deep in the heart of Tixie, you know, had a little intro there. Well, I actually, I love this in a lot of ways because we've covered some of these things to a point. We actually, our Christmas episode last year was about the star of the Magi. Yeah. And we had Caleb Jones and he was talking. I saw it. It was awesome. Yeah.

He wanted the clock back and he's saying these things are, these events are natural, but they are declaring. And they're natural, but they're so rare. And so, and the combining of. of Jupiter and Venus actually has bigger meanings. And it's very much in line with a lot of things we've done. And then, of course, in our space, we also talk about, you know, the occult. And as you pointed out, I think as the new age and the occult does is they hijack, right? And then a lot of Christians will say, well, I know what that is.

I've heard about it over there. Right. So that is a don't touch. Don't do. And, you know, our last episode we talked about how God on the third day, you know, created. On the fourth day he created, the sun and the moon and stars. Right, fourth day, sorry. Third day I was saying about the band. But fourth day, yeah, he put everything in its place as signs for the seasons and signs for the times, right? Yeah. So the verse that you're

talking about is Genesis 14 through 16 and it says this, then God said, let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night and to let them be for signs. So before there for anything else, they're for signs for us, for signs, seasons, and for days and for years, and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light upon the earth. So before, there was already light before the fourth day. Yeah. Right. So it's interesting, though, your story, because there's not a lot of people who probably know that, like, the stars and the knowledge of stars and constellations on those things before they become a Christian. Like, I mean, unless you're like a professor or something and you have, like, just like an increased knowledge for

such a subject, but it was just fun to me. Yeah, it's like a language is what you're saying. Yeah, it is a language. It's just like, you know, like numbers that preach. I have a book called Numbers that preach. It's not about numerology. It's about how God speaks through numbers. And this is the same thing. This is not about astrology. This is about how God speaks through the heavens. Yeah. So you feel like, is it just like big bullet point words or or how do you like view the stars and How does a constellation get, like, words attached to it? Yeah. Where does that come from?

There's several different ways that you can, and what I'm going to bring to you is not what our 50-pound head friend, what's his name? The guy that is. Caleb Jones. Gosh, man, the guy is so brilliant. Yeah. The guy is a studying fool. The guy is a research fanatic.

So I'm not Caleb. I'm not that guy. I watched it, and I was like, man, I love this guy, and I'm so proud of this guy. I also would say this too. What I would add is a layer, which is a different stream than the view that he's looking at. And I'm saying the prophetic thing of God's heart within it. So what I'm talking about, I'm talking about a supernatural thing. I am talking about the natural, the very, very natural.

But I'm talking about the overlay of the supernatural on top of it. And there's three different, I'll give you three different ways you can tell what God is speaking through the heavens or how you do that. First of all, the constellation itself, what the picture of the constellation is, and why that's supposed to be a virgin woman, because it doesn't look like a virgin woman. What the heck is Virgo all about? And who named it that? Yeah. You know, who called it that?

Where does that come from? The Bible says that God tells the names of the stars, and he says that in three different verses. So the Bible specifically said that God is responsible for the names of the stars. I'm going to keep on and we'll come back to that. Secondly, like in the book of Job, when God says, if you want to know how it works, then just follow the cub and just follow the bear in her three cubs. Well, that's what you and I would call the Big Dipper, or Canis Major, which is the big bear, Canis Major. And he's like, have you

followed her trail? And then he says, can you loose the bands of Orion? So it's arguably the most ancient of all 66 of the books within the canon is the book of Job. And here's God, because there was no Bible, giving him the Bible from the constellations. Whenever, and that's, and that's how they did it. They did that. That was normal practice a long time ago before we had commentary of the Bible, because the Bible wasn't written, but it was written. It was written in the heavens. Bigfoot doesn't take care of the dogs. He's not a dog guy, but you out there might be a dog guy. I am a dog guy. What do you do if you need to take care of your little furry friends? Well, you want to feed your dogs well.

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We can perceive and see 88 different clusters of stars that have 88 different significant prophetic stories. Okay. Then you have these five stars that are wandering stars that are actually planets, okay, that you can see with your naked eye. And then you have 12 of these constellations that the sun passes through. And that is known as the zodiac or biblically is known as the Mazuroth. God calls it the Mazuroth. And so the first front of it is the constellations themselves and the stories they tell. And it gives this dramatic story of different things that God wants people to know.

The second one is the actual every major constellation, like all 12 signs, signs are they're called signs, the zodiac or the Mazuroth, the ones that the sun passes through. They have three supporting constellations around them that also give you more of the details of the story. Like the one that represents Revelation, which is Leo the line, it's when Jesus comes back, right? The ones around it, like one of them is Crater the Cup, and that's part of the whole Revelation story hour, pour out the grapes of wrath, right? I'm about to be. start going through all that, but the supporting constellations around the major constellations also give you more details. And then finally, actually two more things. Finally, thirdly, I should say,

the names of the stars give you details of the story of what I was trying to tell you, and then how the sun or the moon passes through them when they pass through them and what planet passes through them gives you another understanding of the timing of it. That's a lot. I'm reminded too that like in our age here we we spend our evenings, you know, watching Netflix or football or whatever or hanging out. And in the ancient times, they were fun, the ancients were fanatical about tracking the heavens. It was always religious.

It was always religious. I was looking, I remember looking at a map. I think it was in Sardinia of temples there. And the way they faced, each one, you could. could tell when it was built because it was meant to point directly towards specific star. Yes. And as they were, went down through the centuries,

the temples turned and were different directions on the same island, but they were all following the same star. So they've, the ancients were fanatical about not only tracking these. And when you look at, there's ancient Babylonian, like a tablet that is like a super accurate representation of our solar system. Yes. From the, it's Sumerian or Babylonian.

I can't what you know that. One in the same really depends when it was made. But they knew. They knew what was good. And they very much paid attention to what was going on in the heavens. A very blurry side of all that is just like how the geography of the earth is mapped out. The geography from the heavens is also space and it's also mapped out. And there are fallen and holy deities that that's their area.

And so you have these blurry things coming out of those. Like if you have grays that come out and say that they're, They're from Pleities. Yeah. Right on. If you have something else, that's also a mapped out territory is it's mapped out from our perspective. And you need to know that the heavens only look like the heavens to us.

If we were on any other solar system, the heavens would look completely different. It's placed in our firmament. So it's meant to be viewed from our perspective for the sake of knowledge, specifically for timing of kingdom things. That's what it saw. And also, too, also to make sure that you know the plan and that there's always hope. Yeah, and also, look, I remember we talked to Doug Van Dorn about this, Nate, in the wandering star episode, but like the idea that tabernacle is laid out celestrily as well. It is. And also there's the, what is it, the four-figured heads of the creatures in heaven.

Those are all, those are all zodiac signs. Yeah. So I'm so glad that you brought that up because when Moses laid down the tabernacle, what's real is, and he set up three tribes of the north, three to the east, three to the south, three to the west. if you know which tribe represents which of the 12 signs, okay? It's like, you know, and you can map it out. I mean, you can actually study that and you can find that out real easy. It's not like super hard to figure that out. And then you look at the three that are to the north, three that are to the east and three

that are to the west and three that are to the south, you take that and you do this with it. If you look at it from above and you look down at it and you take that and you do this, it matches the heavens. And Moses set up the tabernacle according to the pattern that was shown him in heaven. So when he was in heaven, not only did he see heaven as far as supernaturally, he also saw the mapped out realm in the heavens, and he built the tabernacle according to that pattern. To reflect it. So you're saying they knew the names of the stars.

They just knew them. No, they knew them. But no one... Oh no. So what's happened is, and so it went with going back to the stars, it just knew them. before the Babylonians, like the Egyptians, and then on this side of the world, more recent time, the Aztecs and the Indians and the Incas, and they build Ziggurots, that whole thing. You guys are so into all of that, which are meant to be, they're actually, they're astro,

but they're also physically planted to the earth. And so they're meant to be, the top of it is not in the heavens. The top of it is as the heavens. So it's an astro building, every single one of them are. And so going to these ancient empires that serve these Nephilim God kings that told them they came from this constellation or that constellation, Giza is set up exactly like Orion's belt. It's set up to match Orion's belt. And so when these beings came to them and when they lied to them and when they said, by the way, God gave you to us and you have to serve us. And he did.

And he did it. did it. Yeah. So Deuterim 30, you got it. And the whole council and all that, they, when they did that, they changed the names of the stars. And they started changing what the representation of the constellations are to match their narrative. And so Romans 120 says that. It says that when they knew God, they glorified him, not as God. Neither were they thankful. But they became vain in their imaginations and professing themselves to be wise. They became fools. and they turn the glorious things of God into four-footed creatures and yada, yada, yada. That's what he's talking about.

He's talking about the change. So you have the Egyptians, they have the Babylonians, you have the Medes, you have the Persians, you have the Greeks, you have the Romans. And for us, when we look at the names of the stars are all Greek. But if you go back to, and you can look all this up, it's very easy to find, the most ancient names are Hebrew and Aramaic. and if you find out what the ancient Hebrew and Aramaic names are before they became Babylonian before they did you can find out the actual names of the stars and what God was speaking through them so they were named they were named and they knew them it's it's yeah everything everything the ancient did was modeled on on the heavens right it was even like we talk about

serpent mounds here in the United States right and they're finding these servant mounds were were aligned to the movements of the moon or to the or to the or to the stars and and this knowledge was not supposed to be here in north america and because the alignment matters the alignment is about the portal opening the alignment actually matters coming into agreement and coming into alignment with things on earth as they are in heaven the biblical new testament version of that is well tell the elders to anoint them with oil there's the oil isn't magic yeah there's nothing magic but that but he gives us these these prophetic acts, that were simple prophetic acts. Communion is a simple prophetic act. Baptism is a simple prophetic act that brings you into an alignment for something that heaven releases to you.

And they did the same exact thing with these things, but they did it with physical alignment. Can you lay out a story in the Bible and lay a constellation over it and show us how they mirror each other? Yeah, man. I love that. Come on. I'm curious. I'm not as smart as you, Troy's. No, you are. You are. I'm just psychotic, actually. And I want to tell you, I'm loving every minute of it. I am boldly taken on hell with a water pistol. They're like Stephen and Braveheart. Yes, I have like Stephen. You're like a madman. He's like, yeah. It's coming to the right place.

Is it the almighty you converse with? In order to find an equal and Iversman must be with the almighty. God told me. She says, shut up. I love Stephen. Yeah, but he's like, I've come to the right place. Well, there's some amazing things. So let's go through some of these.

So one of my favorite, this drama that goes on throughout every single night throughout the year, is this drama that goes on between, there's this battle that goes on between Orion and Scorpio. Scorpio is a summertime constellation. And it's the biggest out of all the constellations. Scorpio is huge. And it dominates the sky whenever it's up. And in the summertime, it's blowing and going. As the wintertime comes, Orion rises up.

Orion, well, let me back up Scorpio. Scorpio represents the reign of death. And in the zodiac story, starting off with the woman, it begins in Genesis 3, the seed of the woman. That's where the heaven's story start. And it ends with Leo of the line of the tribe of Judah coming back, kicking butt and taking names. It begins in Genesis.

It begins in Revelation in the heavens, the same it does in the Bible, because the author is the same. Pretty cool, right? Yeah. Okay, we'll unpack that here in just a little bit because Virgo has, Virgo in her belly button, in Greek, she has a star that in Greek is named Spica. In the Hebrew, he's called the branch.

And the branch is one of the prophetic names for the Messiah. And she's always known as a virgin that has a seed within her. It's impossible for a virgin to have a seed within her. Yet it was in the heavens, and it's Genesis 3. It's the seed war. The whole seed war story is in the heavens. It's all in there. And one of the places that you can see it best is whenever Orion comes up, you have to know that Scorpio goes down.

They're exactly 12 hours apart or they're on the other sides of the planet for us. So you can never have them both in the same sky. Orion represents a rise and shine for your light has come. Orion means light. and by the way, all six pieces of the Ephesian 6 armor of the Lord is on him, all seven pieces. And he rises up and he's beautiful and he's shining and he's glorious. And when he comes up, death has got to go. I mean, you can't have them both.

Oh, death, where's your sting? Grave wears your victory. You cannot have them both in the same sky. What do we do if we have a problem, Luke? What do we do if we need to go to the doctor or the dentist or? get something done. Finding a doctor for your specialty, whatever it is you need to go for. And it can seem like a monumental task, right?

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Yes. And it, and he represents the throne of God. The north star does. and it represents where Jesus is seated in heavenly places. And if you ever can find that, you'll never be lost again. Okay? So one of the closest constellations to it is Cassiopeia. And Cassiopia is, we hillbillies like to call it.

She is a woman that is on a throne. And it represents us as the body of Jesus. When Scorpio is in the air, she is from the 9 o'clock to the 6 o'clock to the 3 o'clock, to the three o'clock position and she is upside down whenever or ryan rises she's right side up so she is made righteous or right standing or seated rightly with god when jesus shows up that drama goes on and that story is told every single night and the ancients saw it and they contemplated it and they thought about it and they understood things and the spirit of god would move upon them and they would have great revelation and they got it before all right

it was ever written now. So they knew. They knew. Yeah. It's just kind of the story of the magic. They knew. Well, yeah, Caleb was talking about what those represented and what those, the names of those was the magi as astrologers.

Yes. Probably in the mystery schools. Yeah. It's where we get the word of magic from. They knew. They knew what it meant. There's a king that's been. And even in Israel, they weren't looking and they didn't know.

Yeah. And God used Babylon, which represents the worst of the rest of the, the world, right? No, we're just talking about prophetically representation. It doesn't mean everybody there was bad. We're talking about prophetic representation, which was also showing this, from this day forward, it won't just be the Hebrews that get this message. It's going to be the rest of the world. That's what I'm fixing to do. And he actually did that through that, which is crazy cool. Do you feel like the ancients, it seems like sometimes when people have a misinterpretation of the truth, which leads to like offshoots, different gods, different religions,

that they're all kind of learning this language, but they're coming to bad conclusions and then going down different routes and not seeing that God is the author of all these things. Because they're not just doing it by their self, they're doing this in league with a very real spiritual being that is teaching them this knowledge. Okay. Who?

A fallen entity, a regional fallen entity. Son of God. Oh, so that territory of principle. the territory and over those people. It's their narrative. They're hijacking the narrative is what they're doing. So in some ways, you know, when the ancient alien crowd says that the Ananaki showed up, it could have been kind of from that.

10,000%. And it's just a, it's the Genesis 6th story. Yes. But it sounds more like sci-fi. So they like it more because it's not biblical. Yeah, well, it is biblical. And it's because we have a Western lens. We have a West.

Western lens of the Bible. Yeah. And if we had a Middle Eastern lens of it, that would make perfect sense. Yeah. God is the most, is the highest God among all the gods. Sure. I know that you guys know this. But I mean, the Bible says that.

Yeah. A lot of Christians don't. They still don't, they haven't gotten there yet. Yeah. They don't think that. They'll get there. These are the last days. Well, they rage in the comment section all the time.

I know. I know. Well, that's not what the Bible says. Yeah. It's just there are no other gods above our God. Our God is a creator of all the other gods. But I'm just trying to put ourselves in an ancient brain of how they viewed the stars versus modern Christians have no idea of this language is hanging over our head.

We can't read it. We don't even know it's a language. We're so far removed from it, right? And if anyone who does have any knowledge of it is, like Luke said, kind of lumped into New Age, Satanic, scary, don't think about these things. So does this go back to like your... time travel episode where the stars are like hanging prophecy. Yes.

And we're catching up to the stars. Yes. Absolutely. So when Jesus says there will be signs in the sun and the moon and stars, we haven't got into the zodiac yet and how the zodiac works. But I can tell you this. Just a few days ago from the time that we're filming this, I got up super early in the morning because I knew everything was lining up.

I didn't know what was going to happen. but I knew, okay, on this day, this day, meaning the day begins at night for the Hebrew calendar, sometime during the night, the earth is closer to the sun than any other time of the year. On that same exact night, we had a super moon, which means that the moon is closer to the earth than any other time of the year. And then we also had a meteor shower. So there was a sign in the sun and in the moon and in the stars. And I got up on Saturday morning and went,

okay, God, what did you do? And boom, Venezuela had been overtaken. And I was like, I knew something was going to happen on a national level because it's a son. Anytime God is doing a sign through the sun, he's speaking to the nations. I knew that there was going to be a word for his covenant people for his church or for Israel because that's what God speaks through the moon. And then if God speaks through the stars, he's speaking to his children of,

of inheritance. That's why he told Abraham, all right, let me show you how this is going to work. I'm going to take you the Bible. He took him out to the stars and said, look up at the stars and let's go through this. It wasn't just the number of stars that he tried to count and say, okay, that's the number that's going to be. There was, I really believe that Jesus took him through the story and the plan of redemption as presented in the 88 constellations, the names of the stars and gave him the details and said, and then told him, he'll hit him in the arm and said, we've got this. This is the plan. and you're the guy that's going to start it all. So when it came to his inheritance, because actually what we inherited, it wasn't just about Abraham inheriting millions of children, which he has. It was about us inheriting the promises of redemption as are told in the heavens.

So just this last week, I literally went out and said, I wonder what you're going to do on a national level, how are you going to set the church free, and what is it have to do with your children of inheritance? What is that? And boom, Maduro had been captured and taken back. And it happened prophetically after everybody went to sleep and before everybody woke up, it was the story that was in the heavens. I'll tell you another crazy thing that happened

here a few years ago. There was a planetary parade. Yeah, I remember that. Remember the big planetary parade? And it was a really big deal, not just because there are planetary parades where you can see all of the celestial objects. So there's seven celestial objects that we can see with our physical eyes. And it is the sun and the moon, of course. And then you have Mercury, then you have Venus, then you have Mars, and then you have Jupiter, and then you have Saturn. So you've got these things, right?

And by the way, every day of the week is named after one of those. So that's a joke in there somewhere. You can't see Uranus. Yeah, yeah. There is a joke in that. He's in wait. I'll tell you later. He's in wait since the episode started.

Anytime I do a star party, one of the things that I'm famous for doing is they say, well, how can you tell it? And I say, okay, everybody bust out your driver's license. And then we put it out there. I'll say, put it right up against that star. This thing is the perfect length to be able to see this. Guys, do y'all see that? And so, yeah. And I say, yeah, and I say, that's your anus.

That's not very nice. But that's, I think it's very funny. Anyway, I turn into a seventh grader again. You should just have your sun fly a drone. Yes, yes, we should. We should do that. It's just a fun way to bring something funny in in the midst of this exploding head kind of thing, right? But like the moon is named after Sunday and the moon day, right?

And then you go through it's like, you know, Mercury is Wednesday, you know, in Spanish, it's miraculous or whatever it is. And anyway, they're all a different one of those seven we can see. All seven days a week are. So we're all living by this, whether Christians are. Yeah, you're in sync with it. Yeah, regardless if we accept it or not. Yeah. Yeah, whether you know it or not, it just either glorifies the Lord in your life or it doesn't,

but you're already in the stream, bro. You're already there. So I go, I'm all jazz because this particular planetary alignment was not called a planetary alignment. It was called a planetary parade because it's in the correct sequence. So as the sun is coming up, what is right above the sun, is Mercury. And then what is right above Mercury is Venus. What is right above Venus is the moon. And what was right above the moon was Mars. What was right above Mars was Jupiter. And what was right above that was Saturn. I'm like, I'm, I will never see this again in my lifetime. This is nuts. So I get up, man, right for the sun comes up. I'm out there and I've got donkeys and horses and whatnot. And I'm out there talking to them. And they're like, they're making their noise. And I'm like, glorifying God, you know, I love you, Lord, whatever you're doing today. You're just. changing everything. I don't know what you're changing, but everything's coming to alignment

today. I go into my barn, and I've got a TV in my barn, and I flip on my TV, and it says, Roe v. Wade overturned. And I thought it was a joke. I was like, you can't overturn Roe v. Wade. In the midst of the most hostile government in the world against such a thing, I was like, you can't do that. And it was. And that was in the month of pride, and it was also in the month of all the parades. There was a heavenly parade, and Roe v. Wade was overturned on the day of. And that's not coincidence. That's not coincidence. And it was a 50-year Jubilee thing. It was a victory of the church. There was a sign in the heavens, and the huge majority of us actually missed it. Listen, ancient giants, question it. Government coverouts? Definitely question it. But paying $100

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the big dipper, okay? The whole reason, everybody knows what the purpose of the big dipper is, is to point to you where the North Star is, where Polaris is. Because Polaris has no comeliness. It's just like Jesus. There's no problem. pizze. There's no fizzle. You either get it who he is or you don't. It's like, whoa, it's not a very sexy star. In fact, it's the 50th brightest star. So they're all numbered in luminosity. That's another way that God prophetically speaks. Also, he speaks through the number of years that the light travels from us. Those are later revealed revelations that we had to figure out literally within the last century, and we're still figuring that out. But what you find is that it all lines up. It's

all says the same thing over and over again. It's so much fun. But you wouldn't know, I mean, if you walked outside because you can't see the heavens moving, because the earth is only rotating at 1,000 miles an hour and we're 24,000 miles around. So we travel 1,000 miles an hour. And there happens also be 24 time zones, right? Anytime you see anything encircled in the Bible, it has the number 24 stamped upon it. The 24 elders around the throne, 24,000 miles around the world, 24 time zones, 24 hours in a day. It always represents something that God controls that is encircled. It's pretty cool, isn't it?

Yeah. Okay. So if you didn't know, man, I mean, you're out there, like, which one's the most important star? You would think Sirius has to be the most important star because it's the brightest one. And it is a bright manma jamma. It's beautiful. And that's the word serious is where we get the word sir and sire from. is from that star and it means the big dog.

Yeah. That's what it means. So it's like, okay, cool. And so it's like, all right, so we're going through there and we're looking, you would never know unless you knew how to find it. How you would find it is you go to the seven stars of what you and I would call the Big Dipper, which is, I said it was Canis Major while I go, and I'm so sorry, Polaris, which I'm fasting. So you guys put up with me, that is not Canis Major. That is the big bear. And you go to the big bear, but we don't even call it a big bear.

We call it a big dipper. Like, what is that all about? What that's about is that when gold was discovered in 1848 in Mexico, it became, it was acquisition by the United States in 1847 because of a battle that happened in South Texas. And they said, we want Mexico. We want California. They said, okay, boom, 48. gold was discovered, so God kept the golden hidden until we owned it. And that's another huge biblical

principle. I love that. But then all the 49ers came across. When the 49ers came across, they walked. And everybody thinks that they rode in wagons. No, they carried their junk in their wagons and everybody walked. Everybody followed the wagons. And at the back of every single wagon was a great big old water barrel. And so several times throughout the day, they say, Mom, I need to see the big dipper. I need that. And they all right. And they go get that dipper into that bucket and they drank it. Well, at night, those hillbilly children would be laying there looking at all the stars, and somebody said, look, Paul, it's the big dipper, and it stuck. Ursa major. That's what I've been trying to think of it. Got it. Thanks, man. So sorry, guys,

I'm sorry about that. And so it stuck. And that also goes to show you how a culture can actually change what the picture is. And that's why you have to study it and go and look at it. You have to go see, yeah, but what has it always been? Has it always been a big dipper. But what it has always been, is it's been seven stars that point to the one that you otherwise wouldn't see. And the seven stars are the seven churches in the book of Revelation. And the seven churches are also known as the seven stars. The job and the role of the church is to point people towards Jesus, not to build our own empires, not to do all the silly stuff that we do,

but people ought to be able to clearly see how Jesus is Lord or seated on his throne or Polaris because we clearly point to that. And that's going on every single night. And the entirety of the sky rotates around. Yes, sir. Around the north side. Another one of my favorites, too, is the big swan. And you guys would know the big swan.

But what's cool is it's also known as the Northern Cross. So in the Northern Hemisphere, it's the Northern Cross. And it looks just like a big, giant cross. And it's huge. Now, the ancient Celtics, when they looked at it, they said that their God came from that. And they said, that's a picture of our God. And they called it the wild goose chase.

And they're like, that's where the term the wild goose chase comes from. And they said, look, it's in a form of a cross. And someday God is going to show up to us and say, lay down your life and follow me. And we got to chase him wherever he goes. So imagine how easy it was. So if you got like, either one of your cats got a Celtic cross on you? Because most people that have tattoos have a Celtic cross. But no.

Okay. Sorry. I don't mean to. No. Thank you. So, but I always go, yeah, that's not actually a cross. That's actually a constellation. Because a Celtic cross is that constellation.

And they go, oh, no, no, no. The heavens declare the glory of God and the firmament shows his handiwork. God put that there. Imagine how easy it was for the Catholics to show up there in a boat, get off their boat, in the sign of a cross and says, Jesus says, follow him. And they go, yeah, we know that. We just didn't know what his name was. That's wild.

So they knew that way before anybody ever showed up because the heavens declared. it. So, you know, Daniel, is he... I love Daniel. Is he getting this information from the stars? That's why he's writing it down. Okay, so Daniel is such a, but you understand, he is a prophet among prophets, right? And so when he's handed the keys to the astrologers, and when he is handed the keys to the Maji, he's the guy that trains the Magi, and he's the guy that trains the Magi, and 490 years later, they're still looking for that. When he's handed that, it makes perfect sense to him because he's like, yeah, and this is a construct that is demonic. It is a construct that is demonic.

And these people are horrible, and they have done everything so bad to him. I mean, I can't find anybody in the Bible outside of Jesus that has lost more personally than Daniel has lost. He saw his nation destroyed, his family killed, and they made him a eunuch. He lost his manhood. He had nothing. And after all of that, he still said, I serve the Lord. What a man. That's a man right there, buddy.

That's a man. And so when he gets into this whole thing, what he teaches is within this ungodly construct, he brings the kingdom into it. Because he's not a religious guy. He's a kingdom guy. And a lot of people cannot do that, but Daniel pulled that off 10,000 percent. And so he's teaching those guys, yeah, and you know that all this is all about a Messiah. And the Messiah is not coming from Babylon.

The Messiah is coming from Israel. And don't you know, they thought Israel doesn't even exist anymore. At that time, Israel was completely destroyed. He's like, yeah, yeah, well, they're going to get fired up again. And he gives the actual timing 490 years or Daniel's 70 weeks, 77s. It's like, yeah, yeah, I know the timing. and I know where the new Messiah is going to show up. And you will find a sign in the heavens that actually declares that.

And they did. So they didn't just show up and go, wow, something cool has happened. They showed up knowing we got to go to Jerusalem and we got to find this new king. Wow. How does the only take us to the zodiac then? Because I know that there's a lot there. We have ages and we have the wobble of the earth and the procession of the zodiac. Come on.

I mean, there's a lot there to unpack that we've talked, maybe just briefly scratched upon, but I know that that's a big part of what people are familiar with, too, is like, there's 12 signs, and this is where astrology comes from. Well, if I said to you, hey, baby, what's your sign? You'd probably beat me up and throw me out. For the first part of that statement. But if I was asking you, what is the sign when you were born? That's actually part of the clock.

Right. And God invented that. The devil hijacked it. But, you know, as a famous Christian artist one said, why should the devil have all the good music, right? So going back to, we were talking about Moses set up the tabernacle according to the 12 signs. Right. He set that up. And for anybody that's looking, if you go to the old King James, do a Google search, look up the word ensign, you'll find that verse.

It has the word ensign in it. And it actually means that they had the emblem of a constellation. upon their tribal standards. So they set up their standards. You know, Dan was Scorpio, you know, Judah was Leo and so on. And they set it up with a standard, a flag that represented their flag, but it also had a constellation on it. So it's the first understanding that I would like to give everybody prophetically just the

prophetic version of what the signs are. It has to do with tribe. It's a tribal thing. Now, anytime that God does something with the number 12, it has to do with government. The biblical prophetic number for perfect government that God rules and reigns is 12. So anytime you see anything government-wise that God perfectly rules and reigns, it's got a 12 on it. There's 12 tribes of Israel. There's 12 hours in a day.

There's 12 hours in a night. All these 12s all the way through the Word of God. There's 12 major constellations within the heavens because the Lord rules and reigns. Rather, these other deities and entities and little G. think that they rule in rain, they might have temporary dominion over a territory, but they don't actually rule in rain. Okay. So these 12 tribes, they've got these 12 constellations on their standards positioned the way

that Moses told them to pack up. So it's tribal. So it is real that at the time and the season and the day and the geographic location that we are born to, the Lord is destined us to be part of a tribe. And we all have a place. We have a place within the whole family of God that is actually tribal. I can tell when people are of my tribe. I can tell that.

And I meet them all throughout the world. And people can think that that's hokey if they want to. No, no, you have a tribe. You do. And you'll see when you get to the gates of heaven, and by the way, there's 12 gates. So you're going to enter in through one of those tribal gates. You are of a tribe in heaven. You don't pick a random gate.

You will go through a gate that represents one of the 12 tribes of Israel. You and I have been adopted into this family, and there is truly a tribal portion of this that God has aligned. So if I was born in December, so the tribal sign is known to the Greeks and to us as Sagittarius. Okay? And what that means is it doesn't mean that you could see that on December the 6th. that doesn't mean what it means that the sun was in it okay so if the sun as the sun travels through these 12 different constellations on this great ecliptic through the heavens the bible says it's like a bridegroom who runs a race and he comes out strongly it says it's talking about the sun

he says and i have created for the sun a tabernacle who runs his race going let's get it on I want to get this thing done. Let's get married. Let's get it on. And it's actually the story of redemption. So in the story of the constellation of Sagittarius, what you find is he's the one that defeats death. He's meant his entire life, his entire story is about redemption and defeating death. And what I find is, I find that that's true to me. Now, that doesn't mean that I'm defined by some bunch of cluster of stars at all. I'm defined by the Lord Jesus Christ. And no kind of anything in a zodiac or the Mazuroth can tell me who I can be friends with, who I can't be, when I can do that, because that is the doctrine of demons. But I can tell you that there was a prophecy when I was born that that is a tribal part of the whole grand prophecy of how we will all be redeemed.

And I claim it. And I like it. And the Sagittarius is all about the arrow of deliverance. He's aiming at Antares, which is the heart of the scorpion. And that's the arrow of deliverance. Well, dude, the Lord's raised me out to be a deliverance. I'm not saying he wouldn't have if I wasn't born in Sagittarius. I just like that it speaks the same thing.

And I'm like, yeah, I could have been born any day. I was actually a preemie when I was born. I just weighed like three pounds when I was born. I've since gained weight. I don't know if you noticed that. But so what happens is as the sun goes through the 12 different constellations, It tells a different part of the story in a perfect progression that God wants us to understand the progress of it to where it ends with the return of the Messiah. So you guys want to go through the Zodiac?

Yes, yes. Yeah. You want to do that? Yeah, I just want to ask one question about the 12 tribes. Okay. What do you think the purpose of that is? Is it like 12 different, like, personality? I mean, what is that to?

To me, it's like members of the body. One's got to function. another one's got another function for the whole body. And again, it's definitely God's idea. It's not mankind's idea to have tribes. It is God's idea. And there's supposed to be a brotherhood in it. There's supposed to be a fraternity and a brotherhood within it

and in the redeemed place. And the tribes are not supposed to be at war with each other because we're all part of the same heavenly cause. It's just we have a different spin. We have a different priority a little bit different lens, and our culture is a little bit different. That's part of the diversity of the House of God, and it's supposed to be celebrated. Yeah. My tribe likes Mexican food. Oh, my name is to you. Where did the Redheads go? This 13th tribe. They live on the outskirts.

Where do they stick down? I'm afraid they ended up in a northern camp where Dan was, and then they don't show up in the Book of Revelation. You know, like that tribe completely disappears. The book of Dan does. Oh, really? Yeah, it doesn't. Whenever you get the 12th, tribes in the book of Revelation, Dan's not in it. Maybe you got a little more churn and goes by Daniel, yeah. There's that story of the chiseled redhead on the cliff and the camel skin though.

Yeah, that's not a real story. That one's made up. People will argue that David was redheaded because he was ruddy. Really? Let's go. They would argue that David was, they made fun of him because he was, quote, unquote, ruddy. And one of the interpretations of that is he was redheaded.

They made fun of him for his redhead. Maybe that is it, actually. That kind of makes sense. on our show. That's how you learned how to sling very well. That's what he did. Let's go through the zodiac before we get off the rails completely. We're already off. So it doesn't take very much. We're out in space, you know.

I'm just going to go through. I have a book that's called Looking Up, Shameless Plug. There you go. Looking up. And it goes through all of this in great detail. And you'll like this, Luke. It has pictures. Oh, perfect.

Yeah. So I can color them even better. No, they're already colored. You like that? You like that? Okay. So I want to tell you, it begins in a place. and it ends at a place that is absolutely counter to what the new age says. The new age says it

begins at Ares and it ends at Pisces. That is not true. And if you follow any kind of horoscope advice, you are following a narrative that is wrong and it's designed to keep you out of timing. It's really bad because Deuteronomy 28 defines a curse as being out of time. He says, in the morning, you will say, I wish it was evening, and in the evening, you'll say I wish it was morning. When you have kids, when you don't have kids, you wish you did, and when you have them, you wish they were out of the house. When they're out of the house, you'll be miserable because you wish they were back. When you're single, it's the whole thing. So everything will come to you because God keeps his promises, but you'll miss all of them because you're out of timing.

That's the curse. Where does it begin then? It begins with Virgo the Virgin. And I want to tell you, the ancients knew where it began, and they also, where it began. And they also know, they also knew exactly where it ended. And I'll tell you why. I'll tell you how I can prove that. The spinks. The sphinx that stands out in front of the astrological structures has the face of a woman and the body of a lion. And the name sphinx means to join together. That's where you, that's where you unite the zodiac. In one of the ancient temples in, what's his name? I'm trying to think what the name of that. What was the name of that guy that was on Johnny Carson that used to, what was the name of that guy? It's so funny.

I don't know if you're trying, it is before my time. Yeah, it is before your time. I forget you. Y'all are young men. I got socks older than you. You do. So, Carnac, Carnac, he'd come out and he'd have an envelope. He'd say the meaning and then he'd open up and it'd be something funny, a funny question, right?

Temple of Carnac. The Temple of Carnac has the ancient Dendera inside it. They have the ancient zodiac and they have the spinks between Virgo and Leo. And anybody can look it up. So the ancients knew where the story began and where the story ended. part of the hijacking was to change the timing on it, and that's always an antichrist saying he seeks to change, he seeks to change the times and the seasons.

So if you listen to any kind of horoscope, not only are you listening to the Council of Hell, you are coming into agreement with the timing of hell, and that is so dangerous. You don't want nothing to do with that. Yeah. So it actually begins with Virgo. And Virgo tells us there will be a Messiah who is a human being, and he will be born of a virgin

and it begins the seed war. So it's Genesis 3 is that whole constellation. If you look up the names of the stars and if you look up the supporting constellations, it tells the whole story. Wow. All right, from there you go to the scales, right?

So the ancient people looked at that and they knew that story. And they knew that story. They didn't know when, where, but they... But they knew the story. Could they read it like a billboard? I think that many people could read it.

I think that in places where there was other religions, it was suppressed like it is in all religion. It's like, you know, the church actually suppressed the entire world from knowing the Bible by putting it in Latin. It was the same exact thing that the other religions of the world did when they began to hijack the narrative. That's always about that. Is that also why we see like other nations having mythology around virgin births and things like that as well? Yes. It seems to muddy the world. It's in the heavens.

It's on everybody's television. screen every single night. And that's why it shows up all over the world because the word was going out. And if I can, before I finish this, I got to, I got to tell you where this says this. Psalms 19 verses 1 through 6. This is the Word of God. It's what the book of Psalms says. The heavens declare the glory of God and the firmament shows his handiwork. Day into day utter speech, night in a night reveals knowledge. By the way, God speaks different in the daytime than he does at nighttime. He utters speech to you in the daytime, and he reveals knowledge about him in the nighttime. That's his plan. Because nighttime is about intimacy. Nighttime is about looking

outward. That's why we can't see the stars during the daytime. Yes, dreams as well. Right on. So he reveals himself at nighttime. He speaks to you in the daytime. That's his plan. You guys digging that? Yeah. Okay. There's no speech nor language where their voice is not heard. Okay? Then it says, their line has gone out through all the earth and their words to the end of the end of the world. What is their line? It's the ecliptic. It's the imaginary line that the sun passes through. Now we're going to talk about that because verse five says, in them, he has set a tabernacle for the sun,

which is like a bridegroom coming out of his chamber and rejoicing like a strong man to run his race. It's rising is from one end of heaven and its circuit to the end. and there is nothing hidden from its heat or its passion. So he says, if you want to know what the passion of God is all about, it's like a dude that wakes up and says, today's my wedding day, the day belongs to her, the night belongs to me, and I'm going to tell you what the plan is because I'm passionate about it.

And he gives the plan, and it's that we're all redeemed. And he reveals that through the 12 different constellations that the sun has drawn its line through. And the Bible says that in Psalms 19. you. So the first one is Virgo. That's where it starts off of it. Seed war, virgin birth, going to be 100% human being who is 100% divine. Second one is he's going to be a redeemer, the scales. He's going to set the slaves free. He's going to be a redeemer. Okay, how's he going to do it? The next one is the scorpion. He's going to take on death and hell. And he's going to pay the

price. He's going to die. The next one is, after that, he's going to rise up from the dead and overcome death for all time, Sagittarius. The one after that is really weird. And the one after that is Capricorn. And it took me a long time to understand Capricorn. I was like, that's so weird. The sea goat. What the heck is that all about?

Why is there, there's no such thing as a sea goat? Why is the first part of it a goat and the second part of it a fish? This is where we get into the church age. And what's happening here is the first part of the pitcher is a sacrificial animal. And he's always laying down his life. He's always bound his head and his legs are foated up underneath him. The second part of him is a living fish that is swooshing his tail. He's saying this, out of his body will come a whole new body.

And that's us. The next one after that is Aquarius. And he's like, and I will pour out my Holy Spirit upon all of them. The next one after that is Pisces. And there will be a new band of covenant between. So Pisces is a vertical fish and a horizontal fish. and they have a band of covenant between them. That is the Jews and the Gentiles.

It is the Old Testament and the New Testament. It is the one new man. It is all coming together. And then the next one is Aries. And Ares, the stars in Ares, you can read it out, say, your kingdom come, your will be done. So this will be the job of this new group of people that come out of the body that Jesus has given up.

This new body that comes out is now in power. powered with the Holy Spirit, and now they have a perfect covenant with God, and they have the word of God, and their job is to bring the kingdom. And then we leave the church age in the heavens, which is the fish part of the heavens, and then we come into Torres the Bull. Tourstable is always seen as halfway. You can only see the first half of him because he's breaking through something. It is the unstoppable momentum of the prophecies of Jesus that he is coming back, and there's nothing anybody can do. The brightest star in the world. towards the bull is his left eye. And it's called Al de Barron. And Al de Barron is his left eye. And it's this,

when every eye shall see him. So when Jesus is coming back, in his neck, in the neck of the bull, is Plades, the seven sisters. And if you take the constellation Plades from, from our perspective, and you get an old school map in the back of your Bible of the seven churches in Asia, and you overlay it, it matches. Wow. That's wild. There's something even wilder that goes with that. It's not perfect, but I mean, it's unmistakable.

It's like, oh, my gosh. Three of the seven are perfect, and the other three are off a little bit, but it's like, oh, my gosh. You've got to be kidding me. Except for there's one missing. Like, which one is missing? One of the churches that God Almighty spoke to, he said, if you don't get your act together,

I will remove my candlestick. That's what he says. The very church that that represents in the heavens, there used to be a star for that. It's always been known as the seven stars, Plades. But about 1,500 years ago, it got super bright and it disappeared. Its candlestick was removed. And it represents the same geographical location up on the map. Come on, brother.

All right, Troy. Yeah, man. We all got to do a star party together. I'm in. Next time you guys come out to Redemption Ranch, we'll do that. I just, I looked to love planetariums as a kid. The one that is after that, the one that is after that is so crazy cool. Now remember, out of baron means every eye shall see him, right?

And it comes back. When Jesus comes back, every eye shall see him. The next one is Gemini. And it's this, when we see him, we shall be like him. It's the twins. We won't be able to tell the difference between our righteousness and his righteousness, our holiness and his holiness. His love for the father and our love for the father.

When we see him, we will be like him. And then the next one is the other weirdo one, and it's cancer the crab. A crab was basically vermin to the ancient Hebrews. So there's no way that it was originally a crab. I don't know what it was, but they got the claws right. And because the stars within it means the possession. And what that means is this. Jesus coming back to us, when we see him, we'll be like him,

and then His Holiness be our Holiness, Gemini, we're going to be twins. and we will be his beloved possession. Or in the book of Revelation it says, He shall hold us in his hand and none shall pluck us out. Where is possession? Our salvation is never on the line again. It's over. We have been exalted with him and seated with him.

It's over and there's nothing you can do about it. And then the last one is Leo, the lion of the tribe of Judah, ruling and reigning forever or more. And that, my friends, is the zodiac. Hmm. There it is. I've got a question on the zodiac. So we also know that each, there's a primary constellation for every age.

And we are at the end of an age, quite literally, in the procession of the equinox. Yes. For someone who wrote a book about the stars and who follows it quickly, what does that, for you, what does that mean prophetically or literally? For someone who, biblically, you've laid a great case out for the stars. reveal the knowledge of God that he uses them for signs and for season and for timing. If we are coming to the end of an age of the primary constellation, and it's going to be a new one, what's happening? What do you think?

I mean, obviously, this is... The calendar is, of course, the sun calendar is the Gregorian calendar. We all live according to that. The moon calendar is the Hebrew calendar, and it goes off the moon and doesn't go by the sun. and it begins at night, and it doesn't start at day, because that's when you can begin to see the moon. But then the whole other is the astro calendar, and you're right.

We're, you know, they started singing 50, 60 years ago. We're at the dawning of the age of Aquarius. We're still another 30, 40 years off from that. So if Star-Speak is happening, and if we're moving from on the calendar from Aquarius, then that means that we're moving into Pisces. And I think that by the time that we move into Pisces, there's a really good chance.

All of this that we know is dawn. Jesus is coming back soon and we're coming into a whole new place. The one new man is completely fulfilled through the image of the vertical and the vertical and the horizontal heaven will invade earth and it's all the same. The separation is gone. So I think prophetically that's the... I think that's what I think. That's crazy.

I love it. I mean, there's at least another question that we had to. talked about pre-roll I wanted to ask you about. And it's that oftentimes in the Bible, in the scriptures, the stars are are equated or with the sons of God or with angels, like that they're representative of that or that they are literally that. That's obviously something that's debated. But what about the angelic one-to-one a representation of angels and stars? Yeah, where I would differ from a lot of really brilliant people that you've had on here is that it's not all natural that there is actually a star class of angels. And there's also a

constellation class of angels. The hosts of heaven are angels' armies, and that is true, but another understanding of the hosts of heavens is constellations. So if on the day that Jesus was born, the Lord shows up in Shepherdsfield, which is the same place where David had been a thousand years before, and shows up. And he specifically sends them, to the place where he's lying in a manger in swaddling clothes, which that place would be a place called the Tower of the Flock. And everybody just look up the Tower of the Flock. In fact, there's two prophecies in the Old Testament, the last one in Malachi that says, the Messiah

will be born in the Tower of the Flock. It gives to the square foot where Jesus was born in Bethlehem. And the Tower of the Flock was something that Solomon had built, and he had built it in that field that his daddy David was raised in, and he made that field the field that you look for the lamb for Passover. And so what you would do is when you found the lamb that was without spot, without blemish, you wrapped him up and you took him to a stone major. You actually took two. You took one. Anyway, I'm just going to say you just took this lamb. You wrapped it up there. And then you lit a fire at the top of the tower, and you let the priest know, we found the lamb. We found the lamb

for the rest of the year. And so when those priests heard, because where are we finding him? They don't give him real estate. They give him a strange thing. They say, you'll find him wrapped in swarling clothes, line in a manger. Well, they knew exactly that means, oh, he's the Passover lamb. That's what that means. And they knew exactly where you go to go do that, which is the tower of the flock. I think that the reason why Joseph and Mary were in the tower of the flock, and you're like, well, the story is he was in a place where there was animals. Yeah, I believe it was sheep. I believe it was lambs. And it was because there was no room in their family's house. The only place that made sense where there were shelter was this tower of the flock. And so, but the angels that showed up to them

showed up as the host of heaven. And that's a constellation thing. That's not, that's not an army thing to me. That's a constellation thing. They showed up as this story of redemption as shown. These shepherds knew the hosts of heaven. That's all they get, that's all they had to do all not long. And they knew that. So also to whenever in the book of Job where God says, where were you when I sang with the stars? Where were you? I think that there's also a star class of angels as well. And then I think the sons of God are even different from all three of that. Dude. How's your brain, Nate? It's broken. it's blown out.

So is mine. I feel like you've got, I mean, all of us are, our heads are spinning, just like the constellations, trying to like un-matt. I mean, I think it's interesting that you got into this before. It is. It's just God setting me up, man. It was just God setting me up. He's been so good to me. And then, and then, again, and because I was, as I became biblically learned, I was still church ignorant.

I've pastor to church now for 30 years, but I wasn't churched. So I didn't know that these things were taboo. I thought, yeah, everything in the Bible was numbered. So you look at all the numbers and figure out what God's saying. The stars, the heavens declare the glory of God. Yeah, yeah, time. Look at what God. So those things were just very interesting and fun rabbit trails to run down. And now I find myself being an old guy and going to actually have an audience for this now. And it's like everybody's caught up with where I was in the 80s. Not that I was in any deep or profound place. It just made sense to me.

And I'm sure that the things that I've said is very rudimentary to a lot of your listeners. Like, yeah, duh. But it's like now there's a place to do this. And I told you guys at the conference, we needed this. We needed you guys to do this. There's so many of us, man, in the body of Jesus. We needed you guys to do this. And now you have a bunch of illegitimate children, including my show, you know, which is on blurry stuff.

And, you know, I don't know if Tony started before you guys or after you guys, but a whole bunch of my friends, you know, we all kind of consider ourselves illegitimate children of what you guys started. And you weren't even trying to do it. Man, God, just well done, guys. Thanks, man. Thank you. What are you? Go ahead. Well, I was going to say, yeah, thank you.

Okay, so how do you, how would you describe, like, looking at the stars from a Christian perspective? versus a non-Christian? I know you kind of touched that in the episode. Yeah, the hero. The hero in the heavens is Jesus. That's the only hero. All of it. It all speaks of Jesus.

And when Jesus says the scriptures do testify of me, he means I am, I'm the hero of the scriptures. And when I see the heavens as scriptures, before it was in the book, it's no longer being written in a book, now it's being written in our hearts. So the Bible is still being written today, but it's being written within our hearts. And the Bible says, when we stand before the king and that light shines on us, and the books were open.

We are those books. We're all part of the library. You know, the Bible, the library, that's what Bible means is the library. And so to me, when I look up, the hero of the heavens of all the time, all the space, all the matter, all the stories, all the drama, all the details within the handy. work of God. All the, the hero is Jesus. That's the difference. I think my last question, Troy, is like for us sitting here today, most people probably don't really pay attention. Most people, what I'd say, probably live in a place with a lot of light pollution, don't have a lot of visibility for the stars, but should we be paying attention?

Yeah. Well, you have a computer that you can look at it every single day now that the whole world didn't have and with great detail and really fun stuff. I mean, I've got five phone apps, which I'm going to come out with my own app. I'm actually trying to find somebody to do that for me. It has my own star map. It has, you know, click on it. That's what I have to say about it. But I've got all these apps, you know, you just point around and it tells you, even in broad daylight, it'll tell you what stars are there. It'll tell you what's going on. And that's really fun. But I think I wouldn't, people want to start out, this is meant this. All my books are like, profound things for dummies because I'm the guy writing it.

So it's like I'm not educated and I didn't go to college or anything. So I just, all of my books are like for the fundamental understanding of how to get into the deep stuff. And that's a fun way. But there have been tons of people that have written much better books than my book on how all of this works. And they're out there everywhere. And I started off with a 50-pound head, E.W. Bullinger. E.W. and Bulliger had a mama that didn't love him and named him Ethelbert. And the brother went by EW. I'd have gone by EW. Too. Ethelbert's one of the worst names I can possibly think of. That's horrible. Train wreck. What a train wreck of a name. But in the late 1800s and early 1900s, he wrote all these books on a lot of the things that I write on. But they're like tech manuals. He's such a genius and he's so profound. Many of them are about as fun to read as a tech manual. of a microwave.

And so when I came out with these things, man, I was like, I just want to show the fun stuff and tell the fun stuff that blows my mind and make it fun. And so it's a good introductory way to get off into that. That's right. If you want to bake your noodle, head over,

Troybrewer.com. He's got a casserole ready to throw in the microwave. Well, thanks, Troy. It's been fun. Yeah, we got to hammer out some fun, fun stuff today, and it's always a pleasure to have you in studio. Pleasure to have your Blurriecon.

And we teased it on the last episode we do with you but definitely some things to come um perhaps a blurry trip and and more um so we're indeed indeed we'll have to check the star map just if it's uh if it's uh if it's ordained maybe there'll be like a 300 foot high pig being blown in oh if we go to a redemption ranch that could definitely happen that's right if we might even make that part of the trip we've been some legendary saloon as well so there's lots it's been it's been somebody said that somebody That's a rumor. That's a rumor.

It's part of the internet. If you look up the internet, like, how tall is Troy, how tall is Troy Brewer? Look it up. It says I'm six foot eight. Oh. Yeah. I've heard. It's like, again, back to Braveheart, I've heard.

And it looks up, if you look up, what is Troy Brewer's net worth? This is a more $13 something million, I think. Yeah. If you look up all the things about Troy Brewer, it's just unbelievable, the mess that is out there. Like Paul Bunyan. Can't believe everything. Troy Brewer was 60 before taxes. Yeah.

Everything's bigger. Texas. He's 5-11. Yes, I'm 5-10. I don't even hit the 11 mark. Shameful. Hey, taxes are heavy these days.

Well, thanks, Troy. Thanks, man. Thanks, guys. We'll see you down there.