Blurry Creatures - EP: 437 The True Location of Atlantis with Caleb Jones

Episode Date: June 23, 2026

What if Atlantis is not a legend, but a memory of the world that drowned in the days of Noah? Caleb Jones makes that case in the most information-dense Atlantis breakdown you will ever hear. He goes back to Plato, back to Genesis, and back to a pre-flood civilization the Bible says was advanced, arrogant, and ruled by the offspring of gods and men.Caleb shows how the fountains of the great deep, the storehouses of snow and hail in the book of Job, and the lost city beneath the Azores all tell one connected story. He explains why an Egyptian priest somehow knew the underwater geography of an ocean he never crossed, and what that means for everything we think we know about ancient history. This episode is sponsored by: https://go.goodranchers.com/BLURRY — For a limited time, when you purchase any Father’s Day Gift Box from Good Ranchers, they’ll throw in FREE Wagyu Burgers for Dad to enjoy. https://zocdoc.com/blurry — Find and instantly book top-rated doctors today! - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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We're going to do a deep top today. The idea is that an asteroid hits the North Laurentine ice sheet, and then it sends icebergs, the size of stadiums, raining down all along the eastern United States. You're saying chunks of ice are flying? Atlantis was destroyed by water. All of it was destroyed by water. Athens itself sank beneath the waves.

It was not just Atlantis. Interesting. We've got Caleb Jones in the house today talking all things Atlantis. The most research guests we've ever had on the show. We're going to unravel this mystery. Join us here on Blurray Creatures as we dive deep. Check it out. The history of our earth is so different from what we can imagine.

The Smithsonian that if they found out about a large skeleton somewhere was to go get it. I'm going to assume at least one person is right. Because if one person's right to bust the paradigm, it all goes back to the fallen chair. And the problem with the modern day church, they have a very truncated view of the supernatural. This backdrop that's just pregnant with all kinds of meaning associated with this Mount Herman event. And this guy defects from the kingdom. That's a big deal. Are we going to?

I got to get my game face on. How now Brown Cowell? Do you want me to open it up with suit and tie by Justin Ty? No. No. How long is that gap, ma? We'll get a copyright strike on YouTube. Yeah, we don't need that.

Can't do that. It's a great point. All right, we're back. We're serious today. We thought about wearing ties. We thought about getting into it, matching Caleb Jones's energy. But instead, we went camo because we're hunting for the truth today. The truth of Atlantis, Luke, we're going deep.

We're going to find things that people have never found before in terms of this topic, right? Yeah, that's the rumor. Maybe not us. Welcome back, Caleb. The most research. Tireless researcher. Yeah. The most prepared in the YouTube comments of any blurry guest ever.

Yeah, that's my goal. My goal is to be prepared. Listen, when you all sent out the word that you wanted to talk about Atlantic, that's when that's what I knew like the bat signal came and it was my time to answer so my goal is to give you the most information dense hour two hours six hours who knows of content on atlantis that you're ever going to find on the internet how much prep was this compared months months even just slaving away in the research that's right checking the card catalogs have you just had a stack seven microfeash this high of Plato books? Well,

not so much that. It's more of, uh... I think there's enough Plato books to stack that high. There is. He wrote volumes. Unless he got him on Spanish and Portuguese. You can get all the languages. There's a joke there. Volumes of books. What's that quote, movie quote? Bulimus? I don't know. I don't know. There's one of those

complete works. That is not a stack of books, Nate. I didn't bring the library back, but we do have... If it was handwritten, it would be a stack. If there's ever tell you don't read, that was it right there. All right, Caleb. Let's get it. Where do we begin? Everyone kind of knows the story of Atlantis. We've done an episode with Doug Van Doren. We're always kind of

tiptoeing around Atlantis. We kind of, it kind of comes into conversations all the time, but we haven't really done the Caleb Jones version. We're going to do a deep dive. Yeah, let's do the deep dive. So, welcome. I have started out, this is my, this is our part one. I hope we can get to a lot. But one thing I want to tell, say the way I want to frame this is that this is the non-myth of Atlantis. People talk about the myth of Atlantis? No, we're going to talk about the non-myth of Atlantis. and there is actually, as most people have kind of said, there's only one source that we really know about Atlantis from. And it comes from Plato and it comes from Plato's dialogues, the Temaeus and the Critias.

So these are two basically scripts of conversations. And these people are talking. And in these two conversations, they bring up this ancient continent of Atlantis. And so the first thing that I wanted to do is to just go to these source documents and kind of just read what we're working with and then kind of work on from there. Just like last time I was here, we read about Matthew 2 and the Star of the Magi. Now I want to take the time to actually kind of read what we know in the original from Plato. The Atlantean source. The Atlantean source.

So crates. The first one is a Temaeus. And they're in this conversation about, ancient times. And Solon is this very famous Greek lawgiver. He's kind of, I guess, the George Washington of Athens. I don't exactly know, but he was a very famous person. History knows him as a real person. And we get the story about how he visited Egypt. And it says, we read them to Mayas, in the Egyptian Delta, at the head of which the river Nile divides, there is a certain district, which is called the district of Seis. To this city came Solon and was received there with

great honor. He asked the priest, who were the most skillful in such matters, about antiquity, and made the discovery that neither he nor any of the other Helen, which is any other Greek, knew anything worth mentioning about the times of old. On one occasion, wishing to draw them to speak of antiquity, Solon began to tell them about the most ancient things in our part of the world, about Ferronius, who was called the first man, about Nairobi, and about the deluge, and of the survival of Ducalion and Pira, and he traced the genealogy of their descendants, reckoning up the dates tried to compute how many years ago the events of which he was speaking happened. Thereupon one of the priest who was of a very great age said,

Oh, Solon, Solon, you Helens are never anything but children, and there is not an old man among you. Solon in return asked him what he meant. I mean to say, the priest replied, that in mind you are all young, there is no old opinion handed down among you by ancient tradition, nor any science which is ory with age. There have been, and will be again, many destructions of mankind arising out of many causes, the greatest have been brought about by the agencies of fire and water, and other lesser ones, by innumerable other causes. There is a story which even you Greeks have preserved, that once upon a time, Fayethon,

the son of Helios, having yoked the steeds of his father's chariot, because he was not able to drive them in the path of his father, burnt up all that was on the earth, and was himself destroyed by a thunderbolt. Now, this has the form of a myth, but really signifies a declination of the bodies moving in the heavens around the earth and a great conflagration of things upon the earth which recurs after long intervals. You remember a single deluge only, but there were many previous ones. Also, you do not know that there were formerly dwelt in your land the fairest and noblest race of men which ever lived, and that you and your whole city are descended from a small seed or ribnit of them which survived. And this was unknown to you because for many generations the survivors of that destroyers. died, leaving no written word. For there was a time, Solon, before the great deluge of all,

when the city which now is Athens was first in war, and in every way the best governed of all cities, is said to have performed the noblest deeds and have had the fairest constitution of any which tradition tells under the face of heaven. Many great and wonderful deeds are recorded in your state in our histories, but one of them exceeds all the rest and greatness and valor, for these histories tell of a mighty power which unprovoked made an expedition against the whole of Europe and Asia, and to which your city put an end. This power came forth out of the Atlantic, and for in those days the Atlantic was navigable. There was an island situated in the front of the pillars of Hercules. The island was larger than Libya and Asia put together, and was the way to

other islands, and from these you might pass to the whole of the opposite continent, which surrounded the true ocean, for this sea which is within the Straits of Hercules, is only a harbor, having a narrow entrance, but the other is a real sea, and the surrounding land may be most truly called a boundless continent. Now this island of Atlantis, there was a great and wonderful empire, which had rule over the whole island and several others, and over parts of the continent, and furthermore, the men of Atlantis had subjected the parts of Libya within the columns of Hercules as far as Egypt, and of Europe as far as Tyrenia, which is in central Italy. This vast power gathered into one, endeavor to subdue at a blow our country, Egypt,

and yours, Greece, and the whole of the region within the Straits. And then so long your country shone forth, in the excellence of her virtue and strength among all mankind. She was preeminent and courage and military skill and was the leader of the Hellens, and when the rest fell off from her, being compelled to stand alone, after having undergone the very extremity of danger, she defeated and triumphed over the invaders and preserved from slavery those who were not yet subjugated

and generously liberated all the rest of us who dwell within the pillars. But afterwards there occurred violent earthquakes and floods, and in a single day and night of misfortune all your warlike men in a body sank into the earth and the island of Atlantis in the like manner disappeared in the depths of the sea, for which reason the sea in those parts is impassable

and impenetrable, because there is a shoal of mud in the way, and this was caused by the subsidence of the island. So that's the first one that we have, and that's the Temaeus. And then the Temaeus goes on, but there's a second source that we have about Atlantis. It's Critias, and it comes next in this series. And he starts to talk about the actual, how the land is laid out in the city itself, and we get a lot of their history. And says, let me begin by observing, first of all, that 9,000 was the sum of years,

which had elapsed since the war which was said to have taken place between those who dwelt outside the pillars of Heracles and all who dwelt within them. Many great delugeesies have taken place during the 9,000 years, for that is the number of years which have elapsed since the time of which I am speaking. And then he goes on, he talks about the distribution of the earth among the gods. He says, Poseidon, receiving for his lot, the island of Atlantis, begat children by a mortal woman, which I think we've heard about,

and settled them in a part of the island, which I will describe, And it's looking towards the sea, but in the center of the whole island, there was a plain which is said to have been the fairest of all plains and very fertile. Near the plain again, and also in the center of the island at a distance of about 50 stadia, there was a mountain not very high on any side. In this mountain there dwelt one of the earth-born primeval men of that country, whose name was Evinor, and he had a wife named Lucipe, and they had an only daughter whose name was Cleito. the Maidian had already reached womanhood when her father and mother died Poseidon fell in love with her and had intercourse with her

and breaking the ground and closed the hill in which she dwelt all around making alternate zones of sea and land larger and smaller encircling one another and there were two of land and three of water which she turned as with a lathe

each having its circumference equidistant every way from the center so that no man could get to the island for ships and voyages were not as of yet Luke you know one of the bluriest stories that ever happened involving meat. Is it when it rained meat?

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because dad deserves a gift that's a cut above the rest. Good Ranchers.com. American meat delivered. He also begat and brought up five pairs of twin male children and dividing up the island of Atlantis into ten portions. He gave to the firstborn of the eldest pair, his mother's dwelling and the surrounding allotment, which was the largest and best, and made him king over the rest, the others he made princes and gave them rule over men a large... And it gave them rule over many men in a large territory.

And he named them all the eldest, who was the first king, Atlas, and after him the whole island in the ocean were called the Atlantic. That's where we get the name of the Atlantic. And the eldest of the children was the first king. His name was Atlas. And we also have, importantly, to his twin brother, who was born first after him,

obtained as his lot, the extremity of the island towards the pillars of Hercules, facing the country, which is now called the region of Gades in that part of the world. And that is Western Spain. So we have a location there. So I want to move on. And now Atlas had numerous and honorable family and they retained the kingdom. The eldest son handing it down to his elders for many generations.

They had such an amount of wealth as was never before possessed by kings and potentates and not likely ever to be possessed again. They were furnished with everything which they needed, both in the city and country. for because of the greatness of their empire, many things were brought to them from foreign countries. And we also have, so I've described a city, then he wants to go to the rest of the land. It was a lofty land.

It's surrounded by mountains, and the country immediately about the surrounding city was a level plain, but beyond that was surrounded by mountains, which descended towards the sea. It was smooth and even of an oblong shape, extending in one direction 3,000 stadia, but across the center inland, it was 2,000 stadia.

And so we have the plain which looks south. The surrounding mountains were celebrated for their number and size and beauty, far beyond any which still exist, having in them many wealthy villages of country folk and rivers and lakes. And then they have a canal. It goes to the city. It has the city with the surrounding land and water. And then it has the sizes of these.

And so, you know, there's one, but the next two zones, one of water, other than of land, they're two stadia. He's giving sides. He's giving a very detailed description of this. And then that's kind of where we're going to cut off with Critias. These are the descriptions that we have. And that's really the hole that we have. And you can get some facts about what we know about Atlantis. And I've kind of some of them here, it's outside of the pillars of Hercules.

That's the straight of Gibraltar. Right. And we have all of these details. And these are the details that we can sort of look for whenever we're looking for Atlantis and what it was. Another interesting thing. So we also have the sizes, which is a stadia. We kind of have a good idea of what a stadia is. And so the center island was about 0.5, it should be 0.58 miles and 0.93 kilometers.

And so the 3,000 stadia is 345 miles, and 2,000 stadia is 230 miles. And so we have a basic rough description of Atlantis. How big it was. Yeah. And so, yeah, we also had this beautiful, wonderful capital city of just land and water, land and water. And that's the famous thing that everybody knows about. But of course, that's the capital city of a much larger island. It sounds like it's a concentric circles, right?

Yeah, the constituent circles, yeah. So this is 9,000 years before this is a long time. So 9,000 years before the conversation between Solon and the priest. And that's happening around 600 BC. And so this is around 9,600 BC is when he's talking about that this happens. I don't want to jump ahead, but there's some really interesting things in the first portion of the description, which talks about cycles of delusions, right? Yeah. And where this isn't the first one.

And it sounds a lot like the things we've talked about on the show, which is this categorical. clock, right? Tim Albino likes to talk about this, where the ancients tracked a lot of the astronomy and things that they did because they wanted, they wanted to track time, but more importantly, they were looking for this deluge or this disaster clock, with this mass disaster, which sounds a lot like the flood. So you have this flood thing. You've got a Nephilim thing in here. You've got gods that take mortal wives, and then their sons are allotted land. So there's a lot of... Is the firebolt like is that, hey. Oh, we're going to get into all of this.

I mean, anybody who's been with blurry creatures for any period of time realizes that, like, there are so many overlaps when it comes to the things we've talked about, to the younger, dryest period, to, you know, to the gods taking human wives and having offspring. And then to the allotting of land to these, you know, gods. We see, of course, in Deuteronomy 32 with the divine the nations, which we see, of course, in Genesis 6, which is the gods taking wives and having offspring. I think it's fascinating too that when Solon's having this conversation, and we'll get into this, but the idea there's so much history before. Oh, yeah.

That has been forgotten. And what I try to do, yeah, we've definitely forgotten about it. And so the kind of the next thing is I just kind of want to trace about how we've forgotten about this history. I mean, starting back in like the Roman era, so Plutarch is a historian. He's writing probably 600, 700 years after the conversation with Solon, 400 years after Plato. And he notes in The Life of Solon, one of his books, that, you know, Atlantis is probably real. He kind of laments the fact that the dialogues don't complete their tale about Atlantis. And so it just kind of fades off.

But he definitely believes it's real. Strabo is a Greek geographer. He believes it's real as well. He knows that. Philo of Alexandria is a Jewish writer. He's writing in the first century AD. He believes that it's real. even, I think Tertullian also quotes it and he treats it as a real place, and he treats his destruction

as a real event. But things change in the Enlightenment. And so in the 1600s, that's when people start to look back at myths and even look back at the Bible and we start to have this evolutionary idea of mankind, whereas we start, you know, from the mud and from the swamps and then we evolve up. And so myths are seen, starting in this time, as oh, well, they're genuine. They're just from mankind in a pre-rational state. Like, they're not even smart enough to know their own history is kind of the way that it comes. And that kind of is just the way that it goes with, you know, references to Poseidon, we got

associated with the biblical flood. Everything was kind of categorized under myth. It's a false story. And so Atlantis kind of becomes something that's not real. You can't see it. And so it didn't happen. You're saying this is how they felt like they were arguing amongst each other about it. Yeah.

This is kind of what we talk. We bang this drum all the time is that there's this like post-enlightenment, mindset, paradigm, lie, I would think, that the ancients were just knuckle-dragging idiots, that they were dumb. They didn't figure anything out. But I think if we look for to trust the Bible, for example, which we do as our, which we do as our. source of truth, then we're to understand there's a lot of things that... But Christians do the same thing, right? Well, it's an arrogance of man thing. It's also like, we're so advanced. We have the printing press.

Chronological snobbery. We've got the imperial, you know... We put limits on things. The Earth's not that old. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, we sort of demythologize as supernatural. To this day. And Jesus, Jesus kind of has a way of thinking that is opposite to this evolutionary thinking about all things. I mean, he says, no teacher's great at a his master, and he basically says, your fathers did this, and he just assumes that you're going to be no better. His entire assumption is that people get less, you know, less refined over time. We don't

advance up. We kind of degrade down. And so the ancient understanding is that the best things were the oldest things, and things that are coming recently, are degrading over time. And so right now, Atlantis is pretty much treated as pseudo-history or alternative history. That's kind of the only place that people look at it. However, we do need to, there was a resurgence in Atlantis. And it all comes down to, I think, one man. And that's Ignatius Loyola Donnelly. And a lot of, what a name. Oh, he's an American politician. He's nuts. He is, he wrote a book called Atlantis, the antediluvian world. And he, a lot of the things that we think about in Atlantis really come from him. And they get tied up into the old story, but they actually don't come from the old story.

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Zockdoc.com slash blurry. Thanks Zock doc doc for sponsoring this message. This is his like 10-part thesis and you can see some things. Some things come from Play-D but some things do not come from Plato. So number one, there once existed in the Atlantic Ocean a large island outside the Strait of Gibraltar. That comes straight from what we just read. Two, the description given by Plato is not fable, good. Now, three, that Atlantis was the region where man first rose

from a state of barbarism to civilization. He's incorporating this evolutionary mindset of civilization and man into his understanding of Atlantis. That it became a populace and mighty nation. It was the source of the culture. of Americas, the Mediterranean, Europe, Africa, the Baltic, Black Sea, and the Caspian. And it was the true source of the universal memory of the Garden of Eden, the Garden of the Hesperides, the Elysian Fields, Asgard, and Olympus. So he's kind of going into a modern

sort of ancient, the way you look at myth too, but he's kind of merging it back into maybe it was real. He says that the gods and goddesses of myth were simply the kings, queens, and heroes of Atlantis. And so he definitely historicizes them, doesn't treat them as supernatural. These myths are a confused recollection of real historical events, and that the mythology of Egypt and Peru represented the original religion of Atlantis, sun worship. Don't know where he gets that from, kind of makes it up. And that the oldest colony of the Atlanteans was Egypt, whose civilization was very similar to that of Atlantis. That's kind of the opposite of what we read in the Temaeus. They were at war with each other.

And that the implements of the Bronze Age of Europe were derived from Atlantis, and that Atlantians were technologically skilled, first working. iron and gives this list of things that they do. Now, this is really important. The Atlantis isn't described as an advanced civilization. It's described as a normal ancient civilization, but because the Victorian Enlightenment mindset thinks that everybody back then is stupid, whenever they see a sophisticated society described, they think of it as technologically advanced. Whereas, I guess, the biblical, an ancient way of viewing is no, the old, that was when things were good. And so. So Atlantis could just be the most popular of these ancient dynasties.

Yes, the one, yeah, every, everyone was advanced. Well, it's interesting that you related to Peru, because we've been there, right? And there's these things in Peru that you can find in Egypt. And they're not close by any means. So how do they, you know, that's what we see. in the blurry verse is that there's these little remnants of these dynasties all over the world. And they all have this technology of building their megalithic foundations that sort of stumps modern, you know, archaeologists. So keep going.

And it's interesting about this guy, too, is this guy played a major role in influencing modern folks like Graham Hancock. Oh, and much more. So that's coming up next. You see it. So he goes into that, you know, Atlantis, brought forth the first alphabet. And so he's giving them credit for our technology and all civilization. And also that Atlantis was the original seat of the Aryan or Indo-European family of nations,

as well as the Semitic peoples and possibly also the Central Asian races. And he also said, Atlantis Parish beneath the Sea. And he also says that a few persons escaped in ships and rafts and that these memories survive in flood and deluge legends of different nations. That's Hancock, too. That's Hancock. So you can start to see who he has influenced. I mean, one of the people he influenced was J.R.R. Tolkien. So Numenor, the story of the Silmarillion and all of that is really a lot of Donnelly's story of Atlantis and his take on Atlantis.

J.R. Martin of Valeria, some Lantis sort of land. Graham Hancock, for sure. He is definitely giving, I've read a little bit of Donnelly. Graham Hancock does a better job than Donnelly, but his ideas are extremely. extremely similar to Donnellys. Also, Disney, the Walt Disney company, a multinational mass media, just kind of copying his thing. And you can even see it down to the style of the animators, which is that it's kind of Victorian steampunk era thing.

That's because Donnelly's coming from that era, and they're copying that. And also, Aryan, the idea of Aryan used to be kind of a, it was something that was invented in the 1800s as they look at Sanskrit and they see the Aryans who invade India. And that kind of became an association with kind of just white people in general. And so the Nazis, a huge portion of them, one official party doctrine, they're looking to that too. And they kind of treated themselves as the descendants of Atlantis. And so this is an extremely, extremely popular work.

It's never official history. but everybody knows about it and it finds its way into literature in all sorts of things. Before him, I think only maybe Jules Verne mentions Atlantis in 20,000 leagues under the sea.

It was really just an academic sort of classic sort of a thing, but it started to come back into the popular imagination through science fiction and all. How long do you think the dynasty was, roughly? So it ended at the flood. That's what we know.

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In Greek, she was called Athena. In Egypt, she was called Neith. But they're talking and they have this conversation about the island that was in front of the pillars of Hercules. And we know where the pillars of Hercules are. that is, or Heracles, Hercules, it's the Strait of Gibraltar. And there are two mountains on either side. And those are the, that is the entrance of the harbor that is the Mediterranean Sea. And if you go out from the pillars of Hercules, you can see there is the Azores Plateau.

And there are islands out there. And I want you to look at the shape of that, that's an elevated portion of ground. underneath the sea. And it's a strange shape. There's one part that's extending out. Now, one of the sons of Atlas received as his portion the extremity of the island that extended out towards Spain. And you can see in this kind of outline there, there is an extremity of that underground or underwater raised spot on the ocean that is extending towards that. Also, I want to show, 2000 Greek stadia is about that yellow line. That's about the part that is kind of depressed and a little bit lower elevation.

3,000 stadia is about the length of the entire underwater portion of land. So, yeah. So the sea is much deeper around it and it's shallower there. But he also said that you could go to Atlantis and you could follow other islands and you can see that there are what appear to be other islands there. But what's really weird about these other islands is they're not actually islands. There's one that's a little bit down to the left. That's Bermuda.

That's the only one that's actually above water and that you can actually go to. All of those others are underwater sea mounts. So they're just mountains that don't pass over the surface of the sea. Maybe they did at some point. Maybe they did at some point. And then he talks about that you can go from these other islands to the opposite continent. Now, the opposite continent is not Europe. It's not Africa.

It's the continent that surrounds the true ocean, which this sea inside is just, you know, it's a harbor with a narrow entrance. That Egyptian priest somehow is talking about underwater geography. and the American continent. How does he know about that in 600 BC? What were the sea levels like? I don't know. I mean, we do know the Phoenicians went around Africa. We don't have anything about going west.

And also, it's kind of funny, too, is the Temaeus talks about how the Atlantic, you couldn't navigate across it because the sinking of the island gave it a shoal of mud, and you couldn't. And so there's this source, this historical source. force that says, oh yeah, don't go west. You're going to run a ground in the middle of some swampy, you know, nasty water. And so we don't have a lot of westerly expansion, but it's so strange that he knows about America and underwater geography, because a lot of the stuff that we're looking at, you have a lot of sounding depths. You can put a rope down and find out where it is. But the true map of the ocean floor, it doesn't really happen until the 1950s whenever we're having

submarines travel everywhere. Right. And so this is a very odd knowledge. that this Egyptian priest in 600 BC has. But another thing I just want to let you know is that Atlantis is not the only part of the world that we know used to be above the water. There's this place called Doggerland, which is the North Sea. And they have found archaeological, you know,

spear points and things from this area. Mammoth bones, that's one place. Home of the hot dog. There you go. Doggerland. And then another place that you have It's called Sunderland, which I think is just like the southern land, and it's around Indonesia, which I saw that guess you all had from Papa Indonesia. How big was Doggerland before?

It was pretty much the entire part that was, to go back. Yeah, it's. So it was as big as the rumored Atlantis. I mean, maybe even bigger. It's pretty much all of the stuff that shallow, that continental shelf, that's kind of what you're looking at as being above the water or very close to being above the water. whereas in Sunderland, I think that was the other one. So all the continental shelf around there is places that used to be above the water. So Azores is called the Hawaii of the Atlantic, right?

Like people go there. I actually was looking at flights there the other day because... I don't know. I always go to the Caribbean. I've never been to those. It was like the most under, you know, like the least popular place to kind of take a vacation to an island is supposedly Azores. You think it's there, maybe, perhaps. It sure looks like it. Okay. So we have the straight of Gibraltar, the pyramids of Hercules, pointing towards

maybe this chain of islands and in the middle of them would have been this, because there's still a run, you can still go to Azores and you can. Yeah. And so what the, what the islands of the Azores now would be, would be the very high mountains that were just extremely tall, taller than anything we have right now. Pointing around surrounding it. Exactly. The, okay. So the fertile parts, the parts where everyone actually lives is underwater. Yeah. Whereas those islands are the only things that now are above the water.

But the other thing that we need to remember is that the Tameas definitely described that Athens itself as well sank beneath the waves. It was not just Atlantis that was destroyed by water. It was everywhere. Athens was destroyed by water. Atlas, the Atlantic, Atlantis was destroyed by water. All of it was destroyed by water in a single day and a night. He describes the, he goes into a long description of how fruitful and just how big Athens could support a huge army. And, you know, even the remnant of Attica, which now exist, may compare with any region in the world for the variety and excellence of its fruits and the suitableness of its pastures to every sort of animal, which proves what I am saying.

But in those days, the country of Greece was full. fair as now and yielded a far more abundant produce. He's describing ancient Greece. And he goes, how shall I establish my words and what part of it can truly be called a remnant of the land that then was? The whole country in Plato's day is only a long promontory, extending far into the sea away from the rest of the continent, while the rest of the surrounding basin of the sea is everywhere deep in the neighborhood of the shore. Many great delusions have taken place during the 9,000 years for the That is the number of years which have elapsed since the time which I am speaking.

And during all this time and through so many changes, there has never been a considerable accumulation of the soil coming down from the mountains as in other places. And it's, but the earth has fallen away and sunken out of sight. And so he's talking about Athens, how the land around Athens has changed. It's all different. He says, today, in comparison to what then was,

there's only remaining the bones of a wasted body, as they may be called. And in the case of the small islands, all the richer and softer parts of the soil have been falling away. Because Greece is are very rocky. You know, there's rocks everywhere, mountains everywhere. There's not much soil. And he's saying in this ancient time, it was a fertile place of high, you know, high elevated plains that you could grow large swaths of food on. And there were so many more people in his day than now. And so Athens used to be a much different place before the flood.

than it is now. But there's still a connection that they have to this ancient pre-flood. He still calls it Athens. He still calls them the Hellens. I don't know why he does that. But he still sees a connection between them and that people. So kind of like a generic washed out, you take a, you know, just like your garden, run water through it, you're just going to be left with.

Yeah, you're going to be left with the hard rocks or whatever that's still left. And he's saying that's what Athens is. That's what Greece is. And so everything has been washed away. And this sounds a lot like the flood. Are you hypothesizing that like the Zoris or perhaps the location based on the fact that we have completely elevated sea levels from 20? You know, I was just a look here. And it said that the last glacial maximum, which was more or less 20,000 years ago, sea levels were anywhere between 390 and 430 feet lower than today.

Oh, I'm definitely going to get into it. But yes. So what we have here, the reason that the Azores is probably Atlantis is mainly its location and the shape and size of it underwater that we can see. So we can look at the continent of Atlantis. Can't really see the city. But we can see that there kind of should have been a plane there where now it's just kind of an elevated spot. And then the islands of the Azores that now exist, those are the mountains that used to exist. And so, yeah, we definitely have that, but you need to do a little more.

And we're going to get into that. Yeah. Because what we have right here, the thing that destroyed Athens and Atlantis is in the Greek sort of classical world, the Great Deluge, which is really the flood of Noah. And I want to talk about how the Great Deluge happened. And unfortunately, I'm going to give my little disclaimer. These are not my ideas. I am a curator of things and a presenter of things. This is basically the younger dry-ass impact hypothesis, which I'm sure you know about.

And so all I'm going to do is give you a coherent framework about how you can fit all of these things together based on what you read in the Bible and what you also hear in places like the Joe Rogan podcast. So the places that if you want to see a longer sort of geography, not a history, but more of a geography and geology take on it, Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson. I think Doug Van Dorns talked about Randall Carlson. Yeah, he's great. He's kind of a Pythagorean. He's got a very weird sacred geometry view, which I just don't get. I'm not a math guy. But he's definitely like the very well-read.

He knows what he's talking about when it comes to geography and geology. And of course, Graham Hancock, you got to give credit where credit to do. This is the man who's really brought Atlantis into, I guess, a serious conversation in our age. And he's got things that need to be talked about. but the myth of Phaethon was the thing that was mentioned in the Tamaus. And that Egyptian priest says there is a story which even you Greeks have preserved that once upon a time, Fayethon, the son of Helios, Yug the siege of his father chariot,

but he was not able to drive them in the path of his father, and he burnt up all that was on the earth and was himself destroyed by a thunderbolt. We have a lot of, this is a famous story. It's been written many, many times, but the version that we have really comes from Ovid in about 8 AD, and it's one of the later treatments of this story. But what we know from that story is that there's a man whose father is a God, that's a Nephlin, and because he is ashamed,

he wishes to know his father, who's a God. And upon meeting his divine father, he tries to take up the mantle of his father, who is a God, and he destroys the earth in the process. And Jupiter, the king of gods and men, kills Fayethon with a thunderbolt to save the world. And the thing is, is the priest says, this has the form of a myth, but really signifies a declination of the bodies moving in the heavens around the earth and a great conflagration of things upon the earth, which recurs after long intervals. Let me translate that for you. The downward movement of the objects moving in space around the earth and the great fires and destruction of things upon the earth that come as a result, which happens repeatedly, but only repeating after long intervals of time.

he's saying that the myth of Fayethon is about an asteroid impact on the earth and the destruction that followed it. That's what I was thinking. Helios is the sun god. So you have something that tries to act like the sun, a bright body that instead destroys by fire, which is sounds like an asteroid. So this is hard for our listeners and me particularly because there's lots of delusions that have been described. There's the gap theory. There's some people say there's two floods. you know, and the timeline gets all messy in my mind.

Oh, timeline? I am here to solve some timeline issues for you. But the thing I really want to look at, too, is that if you remember from your sixth grade education like I do, is there's this line in Avid's story about Fayetteon, which is that, oh, yeah, and Phanthon burned up Africa. That's the reason why Africa's a desert now. Now, we know that the Sahara used to not be a desert. Yeah. It's supposed to be green. Yeah.

Fayethon sees the whole earth of fire. Then Libya became a desert, the heat drying up her moisture. And we know that there used to be a green Sahara. You can see cave paintings of these, of elephants and hippopotamus is in, you know, the middle of Chad and Mali, like in true, true desert. Wow. But there used to be, the earth used to look very different. And there used to be, this is kind of the maximum glacial period that we're talking about. So now I want to show you something else.

This is talking about how do you get a great deluge. So here we are in our secret blurry basement where we're not going across the sea. Instead, what I want to do is I want to go to this one particular location. This is Lake Wakamaw, and it's in North Carolina. It is a large lake. And this is one of the first of a few features that I want to highlight. They're called the Carolina Bays. And this is a oval shore.

shaped lake, and you can see that it's kind of pointing northwest, and this thing is absolutely massive. And so if you zoom in, I mean, you can see these are houses on the lake with their docks going out. This is a humongous lake that is an oval, an oval shape pointing off in one particular direction. Now, that's not too crazy until you start to look and you start to see that actually, if you go in this area of North Carolina, there are lots of these oval lakes, and there are lots of these, and some of them aren't even lakes. There are all these ovals that are just kind of depressions in the land, and they're all kind of pointing in the same direction.

And so this is Bladen County, North Carolina, which is where you have, I think, the largest concentration of these Carolina bays, and they are everywhere. You can just see them in all of the landscape. They're in North Carolina, but they're not just in North Carolina. I think this is kind of northern. They extend up to Virginia as well, but this is Chowin County, North Carolina. You've got some there. That one's a little bit smaller, but still massive, size of entire neighborhoods.

So for our audio listeners, it looks like dots on them, like these spots. Yeah, oval, ovals features. And they're not roads. They're lakes. Sometimes they've been turned into farmland. but they're all ovals, and you can see they're all pointing in a direction. Now, the further north we go, this one... So they look like golf divvets.

Yeah, look like golf divvits. This one's been filled in a little bit with, you know, land from that lake, but it's pointing in, you know, similar direction. Like a shotgun blast of asteroids. Oh, you're getting... You see where we're going. He's leading us to water, Nate. I'm leading you to water, man.

You can see them. South Carolina. They're coming here as well. Interesting. They're everywhere. I think this is around Myrtle Beach. Marion County. The Myrtle Beach area also has them. Carolina Bays are everywhere. And what I love is a lot of your listeners might even just live right next door to these things. And they're everywhere. Now, they extend all the way. Oh, yeah. Here's Myrtle Beach. You can see them in the land.

There actually, there's some in Nebraska too. You can't see them very well. But they do exist in Nebraska. and the thing that I really want to show is that we go down to Georgia. Now that's a Carolina Bay too, but it's not really pointing west. It's kind of pointing north. And if you go really far south, this is one of the southernmost one that I could find,

Arabia Bay Swamp, you can see one, two, three, I think four of these circular, and they're kind of ovals that are pointing direct north-south. The thing about all these bays, they've done studies on these, is that the bays are all pointing, in a similar to a particular point.

And they're pointing to a point in Saginaw Bay up in Michigan, but at the time, Saginaw Bay was covered in glaciers and is covered in ice. And that is where you used to have what's called the North Laurentine Ice Sheet, which is miles of ice going up. And the idea is that an asteroid hits the North Laurentine Ice Sheet, and then it's sends icebergs, the size of stadiums, raining down all along the eastern United States, creating these enormous craters, and then they melt away and they go away. Now, if an asteroid hits from space, it's going so fast that it's not going to hit like a divot,

it's going to hit the ground, and then it's going to explode. And so it's going to create a circular crater no matter what direction it comes from. Because these are all ovals, they're not from space. They're from somewhere on the earth. Now, they're going to get thrown miles up into the air, thrown a thousand miles, and then they're going to rain down on that part of the land, but they're not from space. It's a terrifying idea for that.

You're saying chunks of ice are flying? Yes. Huge pieces of ice. On the opposite side of the country, you can see this is the scablands in Washington State, and you can just see massive water erosion. that is just in the entire western part of the United States. This is the potholes coolie, Graham Hancock and Randallson. Randall Carson loves this place.

It's a great spot. He's done all the work on just showing how much water, all the evidence that you have that just massive, massive, massive, massive, massive quantities of water were just in an instant released and creating all of this erosion. And in fact, if you just look at the entire Western United States, It just looks like the remnants of water flowing from the north down to the south and into the Pacific Ocean and down into Mexico. And you can just see sort of the patterns of mountains that are just lines showing where huge channels of water could come from.

And the idea is that a massive comet hit the North Laurentine ice sheet in the last glacial maximum, which releases a. enough water to cover the entire earth. And we want to talk about exactly how much water we're talking about, because it's hard to get a picture of this. So this is a representation of what they think this huge ice sheet would have covered. And you can actually see, it kind of ends at New York City. I think a friend of mine once explained that everything south of New York City, you have like swamps and, you know, marshes and stuff. Everything north is rocky, because everything saying north used to be covered by a glacier and everything south, it was not a part of the glacier.

And it stretches all the way to the North Pole. It stretches all the way up. And so this is, I just created a picture of the skyline of Chicago to give you some scale. So where Chicago is, that's how much water or how much ice you're looking at. So you're looking at a low estimate of 3,300 feet of ice. High estimate, 3,900 feet of ice. an ocean of ice is sitting on top of North America at this time. Montreal, Quebec, this was even deeper.

A high estimate of 13,000 feet of ice and a low estimate of 6,500 feet of ice. You're talking about like the tallest mountain we have in the United States of ice, that high of ice. And so what you have is that that's where you, that's enough water. to do something serious. The question is, how do you get the kinetic heat energy to melt all of that?

Yeah. And the only answer is, well, like an asteroid that has a thousand nuclear bombs going off and probably a trail of them that can just turn it all into water. Al Gore was,

it was child's play compared to what he was talking about. Yeah, for example, like what Mount McKinley is 20,000 feet tall, which is the highest in North America. Yeah.

And you're talking about two-thirds that high. Yeah, if you go to the Rocky, you need a 14,000, oh, 14,000-foot mountain. That's a big one. It's the Rocky Mountains. Yeah. Okay, so we have, you know, 20 layers of ice, northern hemisphere, and then... How much cubic feel of water? I'm sure you did the math on that.

Well, I'll say this. One of the things that we, before I want to move on, is this idea. of a comet hitting the earth and hitting, you know, the North Laurentine ice sheet and probably the one in Europe as well and just releasing all sorts of water is a really interesting idea. And you can go and you can hear about it on podcasts. People talk about the comet impact hypothesis. This is what I want to show you. There are curious references to that in the Bible.

One of the things that you should note is that in Genesis 7, the description, the description, of the flood is that in the 600th year of Noah's life, in the second month, on the 17th day of the month, on that day, all the fountains of the great deep burst forth, and the windows of the heavens were opened, and rain fell upon the earth for 40 days and 40 nights. Something that we need to remember is that the deep isn't the ocean. The deep is the waters above the firmament that were never renamed. And so this is describing a very supernatural event where the, basically the raw material of creation, comes back and does its thing, and the windows of the heavens were opened, as in something from up there, not the sky, not the windows of the clouds, not all that, the windows of the

heavens were open in something truly supernatural and unbelievably massive is happening on the earth. The other thing that we can say is that whenever God is bragging to Job about his power, and we have this long thing where, you know, where were you when I brought forth the earth? I want to look, there's a line that God says. Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell me if you have understanding. Who determined its measurements? Surely you know. Or who stretched out the, who stretched the line upon it on what were its basis sunk? Or who laid its cornerstone when the morning stars sing together and all this. the sons of God shouted for joy. Have you entered the storehouses of the snow, or have you seen

the storehouses of the hail, which I have reserved for the time of trouble for the day of battle and war? What is the way to the place where the light is distributed, or the east wind is scattered upon the earth? We have a reference to massive storehouses of snow and store houses of hail that God has reserved for the time of trouble and the battle and the day of battle. This is like Luke's baseman with all of his stored ammo. Indeed. You're ready. Absolutely.

Yeah. And so you think about this. For the day of war. You see. We're stacking rounds. You see that we have this story in the Tamaas about a war that's going between the Atlantic and Europe and there's this massive war and then God has his turn. Like, oh, you want to see what fighting is like.

You want to have a world full of war? I will give you a while. I will show you how I do battle. Job is pre-flood. Job's not pre-flood. Job's post-flood. Some people say it's the old, like... There are a lot of references to the flood in Job.

Yeah. And there are references to the Tower of Babel in Job. But written pre-flood. But stories can... Are the stories? Pre-posts. I think the tradition says that Moses wrote Job. Right.

And Job's another one of my great... I'm talking about rabbit holes that I go down. Book of Joe is a great one. But it definitely has a lot of references to really ancient things. And the biggest thing that ever happened, which is the Great Flood over all the earth, well, that's something you're going to get a reference to. And what I love about it is that it involves snow and hail,

which is those Carolina Bays, the North Laurentine Ice Sheet, all of that is something that we have a picture of. And so whenever God is bragging about his ability to do things to Job, to compare his power to Job, you can see evidence of that scattered across North and South Carolina. I mean, there are so many things that are just at our fingertips that we need to show, that we need to know and that we can know. And so with that, I think the last thing I need to explain is why Atlantis is still. under water because we have water that covers the earth with the flood and there's kind of an

obvious question which is well where did all the water go and the answer is is also here because if asking me I've done some numbers about water well yeah yeah I did so here we go we've got 3.2 3 3 3.5 million cubic miles of water on the earth now we've got the average depth of the ocean is 12,080 feet. The continental shelf is about 200 to 500 feet, and the Mariana Trench is the deepest place. It's 36,000 feet or so. And so we've got some variety here going on. But if the surface of the earth were smoothed out, the earth would be covered in a sea that's about 1.6 to 1.9 miles deep. So you have enough water on the earth right now in the oceans to cover the entire earth with water. You just have to take the land from the highest spots and put it in the

deepest spots of the ocean. And if you fill up the ocean with the land above sea level, it'll even out to two miles of water everywhere. And so whether or not water covers the entire earth is really a question of plate tectonics. It's, you know, how is the land distributed and how high does it rise and how deep does it fall? And what's really neat about this, oh yeah, so the Azores Plateau is about 1,000 to 2,000 meters deep. It's about 3,300 to 6,600 feet deep. Now, the melting of the North Laurentine ice sheet would have raised sea levels about 500 feet. So it's not that alone. So it's not just the melting of the North Laurentine ice sheet that explains why Atlantis is still underwater. You need something more. And what you need is post-glacial rebound. So remember, we said that there is

two miles of ice across all of Canada, all the way down to Indiana, New York. All of that part of North America had two miles of ice on top of it. That has a massive weight that pushes down on the land. And whenever you melt it, the land rises back up. And so we can see this. This is a picture, I think, from Canada somewhere, really close to the North Pole. You can see the lines of the shorelines and they're rising over time. And so the more recent shorelines are lower and the more ancient shorelines are higher up because the land itself is rising up. But if something rises up, something else has to fall. And so when that one's going up, there's another part of the earth that is going down. And this is a picture that I think I got from the, yeah, so that is a credit that I have to give to. it, but you can see that there is a blue part that is rising rapidly. The purple part is falling in comparison. And the part that's falling is where the Azores Plateau is. So all of that part is the land itself is sinking, which is why Atlantis is sinking. So even though the water changes,

the relative position of Atlantis is down compared to where it once was. And, And what I really like about this is that we have a reference to this in the Bible, which is God remembered Noah and all the beast and all the livestock that were with him on the ark. And God made a wind blow over the earth. Now this is really important

because at this point in the story, the earth is covered with water. So the wind, the word wind is the same thing as spirit. And a spirit is just an invisible influence. So there's something causing something to move. And the thing that is moving is the earth

caused a spirit or unseen movement to pass over the earth and the waters subsided. The fountains of the deep and the windows of the heavens were closed and the rain from the heavens was restrained and the waters receded from the earth continually and the waters continued to abate until the

10th month and in the 10th month on the first day of the month the tops of the mountains were seen. So the way that you get rid of water that covers the entire earth without creating those glaciers Turn the fan on. You don't turn the fan on.

You make the deep parts of the ocean deeper, which causes those waters to fall into those deep parts of the ocean, which exposes the shallower parts. And so the spirit over the earth, there are a lot of deluges. Oh, there are lots of... It kind of sounds like both is happening. You have the wind blowing, and then you have, you know... Well, keep in mind, too. Remember there are lots of deluges? Oh, there's been many dayluges.

If you're moving the continental plates to pull the Marianas Trench deeper into the earth, that's going to have some surface. You're going to have some tidal waves. You're going to have lots of things that continue to cause destruction on the earth for a long, long time. Yeah. And so we need to remember that these are godlike things that are happening to our earth. This is the fountains of the deep are the raw material of creation. These are the things that are shaping the earth how God wishes it to do.

And that means if he wants the Himalayas to rise up, they're going to rise up. So it's kind of like strategic in the sense, like my visionary mind and just like seeing the picture is like, if we're going to get Atlantis to sink, we've got to take the weight off the other side and then it'll go down. You know what I'm saying? So the asteroid hits this part of the world and it causes. the balance, the teeter-chotter to go down, causing Atlantic. So, every reaction, there's an equal and opposite reaction, right? Yeah, I've got my, I've got a balance here, and I've got two miles of ice right there. Yeah.

And then whenever this melts, this is going to rise up, and that's going to fall. Yeah. And so that's why Atlantis is down under the sea while Athens isn't. Athens had some erosion and things changed, but that's still there. Because a lot of people will say, oh, yeah, Atlantic just got hit by a giant. asteroid and I'm like well that would still leave leave something yeah it would leave sort of an impression of of blown up bits there but we're we're talking about an entire like you said 300 miles circumference that sank under the ocean so yeah we've got yeah 3,000 stadia and it's about 400 miles

so this island is about 400 miles across and it's it is falling beneath the sea because the lithosphere that the crust of the earth is actually going further down into the mantle as the, you know, you're not floating on water underneath the stone. You're floating on like lava and the mantle of earth. And those are the things that are actually changing because, yes, this is beyond any human ability to change. But that's kind of the huge thing that's going on whenever you have the flood like that. So yeah, it is, that is my, oh yeah, and so God, once again with Joe, who shut in the sea with doors when it bursts forth from the womb, when I made clouds it's

garment and a thick darkness in swaddling ban in its swaddling ban and prescribed limits for it and set bars and doors and said, thus far shall you come and no farther and here shall your proud waves be stayed. And so this is a reference to the sea now goes there. It was here. No, you're moving back and God has established the places where it should go. And yeah, God's, have you entered the springs of the sea or walked in the recesses of the deep? Like I'm talking about, how do you make the waters of the flood go away? You have to draw down the deepest parts of the earth to go even further into the earth to make sure that the waters that are still on the shore don't go by their limit. And this is God bragging to Joe about all the things that he can do.

And yeah, I would say that is what he has done. And so, this is the end of my presentation, at least for this first one, Atlantis is the Greek name for an antediluvian, a pre-flood, island civil civilization that was destroyed in the great deluge, the biblical flood of Noah, which sank beneath the ocean and remains there today. And yeah, that's the end. Wow. So how long do you think the empire lasted? Do you have a rough? Well, here's a question. This is a great question. It could have lasted for thousands of years, but this is something I want you to think about your Bible. Where is Noah from? Turkey. Well, he had landed. when the ark descended, it landed in the mountains of Ararat, that's where he went.

Where is he from? We're never told. Outside of Eden would be the best wherever. East of some place we don't know where it is? East of Eden, perhaps. Where's Adam from? We don't know where any of these people are from. They can't even tell.

Oh, yeah, and Eden used to be around here. Well, no, it's the place where they are from is very, very vague. I'll tell you this. The Greeks, whenever they're talking, they're. have a story. Oh yeah, the garden of the Hesperides, which is a mythological garden with golden trees that has golden apples

that if you eat of them, they give you eternal life. That's the garden of the disparities. It's in an island somewhere out there in the Atlantic. Interesting. Their location for that place is somewhere west in the Atlantic. And so you have that

idea out there that, oh yeah, it's further to the west. So it is very possible that whenever Adam was expelled from the garden, the place where he and his people landed at was the place that used to be Atlantis. And whenever Cain goes east, he builds a different city.

And we don't exactly, since it's the land of Nod, we don't know where the land of Nod was. So there would have been mountains because we've hypothesized that Eden's on a mountain. So there would have been mountains in this area. Oh, boy. You're about to get me on another. Well, so, you know, I mean, obviously things change.

I have a couple questions. One is it described that there was no boats they couldn't get from place to place yet. They hadn't invented that technology. So is that? Atlanta's definitely had boats. Because at some point they are traveling, they're of seafaring groups of giants and all kinds of whatever, you know, going around the world. But until maybe this, it feels like this is some. kind of origin spot, what I'm saying, is if they didn't have the technology to get there by

boat, which they kind of described, or am I remembering that correctly? Yeah, we don't have. So whenever Atlantis was founded by Poseidon, when he first did his thing, they had no boats. But by the time they're having their war with Egypt and Athens and all those places, well, they do have a Navy. And so you do have thousands of years of advancement or whatnot. I mean, it could be, honestly, it's the time from Adam to Noah. is the time that you have. But the demi-gods are rumored with, you know, amongst the people, like the days of Noah, which we've described.

And my second thought is, like, a lot of people, Christians particularly don't see this as, like, people are describing the same thing from two different, completely different, a polytheistic worldview and a monotheistic worldview. How much do you think the polytheistic worldview, like, sort of corrupts parts of the truth of the story, even though they're describing the same thing. So this might be a long answer. So this is what I'll say, which is that polytheist is a word that is kind of invented in the Middle Ages. Sure. That means many gods. Monotheist just means one god. So the Bible talks about multiple gods all the time in the Old Testament. In the New

Testament, it only talks, it only mentions two gods, which would be, Jesus Christ, Lord of Heaven and Earth, and then Satan, who is the God of this world. And so the question I have is what does God mean? What is the English word God means? The English word God means the Creator, but the Bible kind of uses a different word for it. In the Bible, God is a spiritual being with some form of authority over a nation, a location on earth, something. And so there used to be a time where there were multiple gods because these spiritual beings had authority over nations and whatnot. Now, that's not the case anymore.

You've got one God and all authority on heaven and earth has been given to him. And then you've got Satan, who is the God of this world and therefore has the responsibility for things that have gone wrong in this world. And so his responsibility is being taken away from him as we are marching forward. The God of peace will soon crush Satan underneath your feet. And so that's kind of the monotheistic, polytheistic. The question about how does it corrupt it? I don't, if you understand, the key that I think you need to remember is that the Bible is giving you your history. And so whatever the Bible says, that's kind of how you need to think about,

whether or not the polytheist way is the way to think about it or not. Now, no, there is only one God in heaven on earth. So, no, we don't have a polytheistic. We've got one God and we've got an illegitimate ruler who needs to be kicked out. In the past, we're not really given a lot of clear direction. We have this Tower of Babel event, but we're not told that the other gods didn't exist. The Tower of Babel seemed to change their relationship with humanity and with the nations and all that kind of stuff, but of course they could have been around. I mean, what,

we don't, we don't know what they're doing. But that would be, we can call, calling them gods has a difficulty because of the associations in English. Sure. There's no problems in Hebrew. There's no problems with that. Yeah. Yeah. And obviously, yeah. If we're going to sum this up, so your, your take, your hypothesis is that Atlantis was a real place according to the, to the literature, Sure, that it is situated in your mind right where the Azores are. Yep. Because it matches the correct measurements, as you can see on the satellite views and Google Earth and that. And that sometime in the Yonker-Dryas event, which a lot of people hypothesize as the impetus for this flood,

that we did have a worldwide flood in your view. And at that point, Atlantis was maybe not all the way covered, but the release of this, these, I mean, quadrillion cubic tons of ice from the Laurentine ice sheet, for example, actually moved, moved land so that it did sink beneath the sea, not just from, not necessarily from the flood, although it would have been flooded and covered. but the reason that it did sink beneath the ways has to do with the movement of the mantle, basically displacement of maybe one point something quadrillion tons of ice that become superheated and melted. So if you look at doggarland, you look at Sunderland, those places are underwater,

but they are not as far underwater as Atlantis and the Azores Plateau is. And so the reason Azores and the plato are further underwater because of the way that the earth has sunk. Whereas, you know, North Sea, darker land, those places are kind of just underwater because of the melting. Right. And so, yeah, those are two different things.

So we have this, obviously, this raisin sea level that's high, scientists say, maybe between 390, 430 feet. We have a rising sea level. But really, we have a movement of land mass and land because you have, it's displacement, really is what it is. You have something heavy that disappears or gets spread out. And then, you know, for every action, there's an equal and opposite reaction.

So you have this movement of land. So in the spaces it sunk. I mean, do we have any idea on like, can it happen very quickly with that much movement of mass? I think, yeah. I mean, the kind of traditional, the thing, oh, yeah, it's rising one centimeter a year sort of thing. Now, okay, I agree that it's rising one centimeter a year now, but if you instantaneously melt, or within a week, melt two miles of ice, I don't think you're going to go on the one centimeter a year rate.

Two miles thick of ice. Yeah. Not just two miles of ice. It's not just a mountain that's two miles high. It's two miles thick of ice across all of Canada. So would ancient Atlantis be reachable by some kind, you could walk there in some fashion like a straight or, you know, I mean, how do they get there? Or did, like you said, this is ground zero for some ancient civilization that kind of then spread elsewhere, this technology, this crossover? What we need to remember, too, is how long of a period of time that we have between. Adam and Noah, it's more than a thousand years.

So a lot can happen. You can walk across North America in four months. So you have a lot of time for civilizations to be founded, for sailing to be invented. You have, I do believe you have a lot more direct communication and conversation between divine beings and human beings very early. And so it doesn't, how do you get to Atlantis? that is one thing. I don't think anyone ever left Atlantis except for Noah

because I think they all died. I do believe everyone died in the flood. And so that's the... But yeah, that's the explanation is that Atlantis is gone because of the flood. The real question is how do we know about it? How does the Egyptian priests know about the underwater geography of the Atlantic Ocean?

That is so mind-blowingly bizarre to me. How does he know about North America? And I don't know how he knows, but the best guess is if you know the truth. And so somehow he was able to know about Atlantis and about these other places. And so what I imagine is that whenever Grandpa Noah has to tell his great, great, great, great, great, great grandson, so tell me again exactly what was it you're saying about Libya used to be a very nice place to visit on the weekends. Okay, so this guy named Fayetan, he had his father who's a god, and you can create a myth. A myth is an abbreviated story that communicates some larger truth. And Fayethon is definitely an abbreviated story.

But the real story is tied in with that, and it's very real. It's not a myth. And so, yeah, I think that's definitely a part of what we're looking at. Wow. I like it. because I feel like you have people who say Atlantis was the eye of the Sahara and all these other things. And it just doesn't feel like, just because you have a ring in the desert doesn't mean that, you know. Can I go off in the Rashat structure right now?

Do it. Can I do it? Okay. The Rashat structure is 10 times bigger than the Atlantis that's described in Plato's Temaeus. It's way too big. One thing we know about Atlantis is in the Atlantic. Rishat structure's not in the Atlantic. And so I did this with the star of Bethlehem, which is that, oh, you can get something really impressive.

But if it does not match to the sole source of this thing that we now call Atlantis, then it's not Atlantis. I mean, the Rishat structure, it's super cool. I don't know what it is. It could have, I'm even going to say it could have been another city that was ancient and anti-Diluvia. but it's not the Atlanta city. Yeah. The only reason I'm saying it could be because I have no idea what it is.

But no, it's not Atlantis because it's not in the Atlantic and it's not underwater. Not the right size. We were talking to a pre-roll about this. Like, I think over time, it feels like things get exaggerated and so you wouldn't,

you're not underselling the size of Atlanta at the point. Everything is always bigger and there's more bigger armies and bigger, fill in the blank, right? You don't go smaller. Be like, well, actually,

it was 10, times bigger. That doesn't make sense. It's a thousand feet above sea level. There's supposed to be a canal to this place. You can't do that. So yeah, that's not, that one's not Atlantis. So do you think there are Atlantis around the world also? Like, sure. At this time, but this one was just sort of geographically unique because it had like these islands and this Sims in the middle of, you know, water. And then, but there are other places like, like he said, like in Peru, obviously this religion, spread to Peru and was also in Egypt. And I think maybe that's why we find these pyramid structures around the world.

There was this connectedness in the ancient world that seems to be mysterious to modern. Guys like Graham Hancock, like, how did they know to build all this stuff and just trying to figure it out? I think, well, I think, even though I don't, I like how Graham Hancock is sniffing around all the right places. He knows that the story that we. tell ourselves about history today, like respectable history, it's kind of bogus whenever you go to ancient history. Yeah. It's really ridiculous. And what we know, at least from the scriptures, is that between Adam and Noah, we had a ridiculously sophisticated and advanced compared to what we think of, a true civilization. And they thought that they were high and mighty and, and

And they, I guess I'll get into it later if I can go on more. But they thought that they were all that. But God saw them and he said, no, I do not like where this is going. I'm going to put you in your place. And in a moment, they were just wiped off the face of the earth because that's the power that he has. So you say maybe the history of our earth is so much different than we could have imagined. Yeah. well I mean it makes sense

Atlas Atlantis you know yeah it you know the language Atlantic Ocean yeah yeah exactly

it's all there it's out and out out and sunk under the waves and there's some weird stuff Bermuda Triangle too there's some that's a love this where your brain goes there's no no no there's some like sunk

there's a bunch of blocks stuff's below the water there. It's like a road. Yeah, the Bermudian road. Man, Caleb, your brain. Appreciate you.

This is, this is, we ought to do a blurry trip out to Zores. You just want to go there. Let's just see what's out there. Let's do it. We'll have you lead the trip. That's not like even just a tiny bit selfish, is it? Hey, I'll get scuba certified. Let's go, baby.

Dude, Scoop a Steve. Move aside. There's got to be something out there. Caleb, tell everybody where they can find your work, because obviously we did the Magi Star and that. And we've pointed people to check out your research. You're a meticulous researcher, which, of course, comes to the territory being a lawyer. Yeah, my day job is a lawyer.

I'm still a lawyer. That is what I mainly do. But if you want to contact me, you can see themagistar.com. And that's where you can ask for me to come talk to you about the star of the magi or Atlantis or some other topic, book of Job. I don't know. But yeah, you can find me at the magiastar.com. He's got a suit and tie. And we'll travel.

And we're pressuring you. you to do the blurry book. Get it out there. Tell the people. You got a lot of books to write. Give the people what they want, Nate. That's right. Let's go. Let's go. Thanks, Karen. Thanks, man. We'll see you very shortly, I imagine. Yes.